builds-discussion

[unborn wren]

Bellicose does add some life, but only base

[hard dove]

Do you nourish for viral already?

[unborn wren]

Ye

I basically only wall latch for spy and to use my 4th to get a big health pool

[hard dove]

Nautilus for grouping ig to make sobek nuke clumped up
Or adarza for general buff

I'm assuming you're using blight

[unborn wren]

Yuppers

[hard dove]

Blight give cdmg right? I can't remember wether adarza or smeeta is the one that give cc

[unborn wren]

Adarza gives crit chance

Blight is kinda sad at 22% Crit chance but I have a hard time fitting Crit chance on mods, plus dispo is .75

[stable plover]

how do u post videos? i cant anymore.

is there a wareframe site i need to upload it to?

[hard dove]

Video here?

I think you need to change the format to webp
Or if it's too long upload to yt and link it here

[stable plover]

so steam share links are a nono.

[hard dove]

Most link here that aren't yt, wiki, abd overframe are usually obliterated instantly

[stable plover]

ok ill just upload everything to utube first. ty

[unborn wren]

The warframe website YouTube dot com

[short carbon]

Hello folks! I'm looking for help understanding how stances are affecting my builds for Nikanas and Dual Nikanas. The bulk of my querry and the research I already did is pretty long, so I put it in the #1197322290166251680 section over here: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1468842968772378658

The short version is I'm trying to make a Nikana or Dual Nikana build to go with my Ash Prime, with a Slash focus. I used Underframe's simulation tool to test them. The stats on the weapons are very similar, but their results are hugely different, and it seems to be related to the stances. So, I'd like help understanding how that works, and where I'm going wrong. Help improving the builds is also welcome, I don't have a lot of experience at it yet!

[stable plover]

i guess i dont need video anyway, u all already know if a build works or not just by looking at it. (Riven has +272.1 c.chance, +211.3 c.dmg)

this good enugh for endgame yet?

[hard dove]

Yes bc it's burston

You might want to drop aptitude tho

You already have 2 base dmg source

And aptitude doesn't work fully here

[stable plover]

ah ok ty.

[bold estuary]

Ehhh it kinda works her four snapshots her strength but everything else gets the full bellicose buff

[hard dove]

So pretty much str for dmg vulnerability and maybe nourish if you subsume 3

I forgot what strength scaling does for her 3 besides dmg

I should subsume fireblast on oraxia hmm

[mellow palm]

Oberon mains

Do you keep his whole kit or subsumed?

[sick ermine]

https://overframe.gg/build/968405/

My Build - even threw together a guide mostly just filled with alternatives to everything.

What you think?

My ideal is to have Primed Sure Footed, Primed Flow and 5x Violet Archon Shards. But currently still at Red shards and dont have even normal surefooted yet

[unborn wren]

Just damage, the spiders scaly by map I think

Nourish is too good to pass

[karmic badger]

spiders scale off initial enemy level

not a problem if you're doing quick missions, but endless missions become a problem

[mellow palm]

So about your build, you probably could use Persistence if you want, idk, if you want a backup in case things go wrong

About prime sure footed, you could use wyrm as an alternative, it has an augment that remove one negative status from you every 5 seconds

[unborn wren]

That is what map level is, yes

Tho they're really not that good anyway

[mellow palm]

Also her base armor is very high so you could drop primed flow and use arcane battery instead

With 2100 healths, you can tank 4 hits, 1 hit per second before you die, that's more than enough for persistence as backup plan in case things go wrong

[sick ermine]

hmmmm i didnt know that. that sounds good honestly. I use Nautilus for Priming

[mellow palm]

Try tazicor, it does the priming better since it has chain attack

But damage? Not that good compare to vergilas

[sick ermine]

Yeah Arcane Battery is good. better than 180% more additive melee damage? Cause i LOVE Circumvent aye. 2 rolls and my viral claws shred.

Or should i be cutting Circumvent because the best Defense is offense

[mellow palm]

Entirely on you, how you want to play to be honest

[sick ermine]

The current build Shreds all the way up until level 300 ish and starts to slowly tapper off after level 430 im finding

[mellow palm]

Check out ninjase's build

I don't play Valkyrie so yeah

I can help if it's Oberon

[sick ermine]

Yeah that build was my guide. But Hunter Adreniline is such a bad pick for a mod imo.

[severe bough]

Use arcane battery over circumvent so u can switch out pflow
Also u dont need triumbal
For safety in case your not able to build up at least 150% on her meter use brespite.
Build more range

[sick ermine]

I took out Corrosive projection as well because mod mod slots with Steel Charge and more damage, and with Arcane Circumvent 2 quick rolls and they have no armor anyway

[sick ermine]

Why bother with range on valkyr? Just her 1st hook ability scales of it

and i guess her 3rd, but ive subsumed over that with Roar

[bold estuary]

Who the hell is putting nourish on oraxia

[mellow palm]

Weapon platform build i assume

[severe bough]

Her 1 groups

[mellow palm]

Toxin from her 4th, corrosive from archon continuity and nourish

[bold estuary]

Yeah but like…her 1 is infinite energy just hit 1 give her weapon viral damage and you have toxin corrosive viral

[mellow palm]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[sick ermine]

Yeah it does. With stretch it goes from 9m radius to 13m. thats aight. i guess

[bold estuary]

I don’t think nourish is good for her is all since half the effect the main effect is wasted on her

Your also losing her 3 which ccs and can work as a pretty good sub dps option and lets her run arcane camisodo

If you want nourish on her put it over her 1 not her 3

[mellow palm]

Nourish is exceptionally useful for higher level contents

Such as level cap

[severe bough]

The summons are so holy bad that they dont matter at all

[mellow palm]

And yeah, subsume over her spooder spawn

[bold estuary]

Okay lowkey yeah the spiders ai is actually atrocious😭 I still wouldn’t run nourish over them though there’s a ton of methods for viral I feel like your wasting her subsume or with it is all

Wait I feel like oraxia would have zero issues at level cap cause she’s like dagath and enemies just effectively have half their normal hp with her 1

[mellow palm]

Or just, Oberon

[bold estuary]

I could not tell you what Oberon does post rework ngl

[severe bough]

If running oraxia sobek nourish is the only real option tho oraxia sobek feels Kinda weird anyways just use saryn fr

[narrow granite]

https://overframe.gg/build/968842/

rate mi build

[severe bough]

Boom smite

[mellow palm]

Tell me

Lol, i played him for quite a while after rework

[bold estuary]

All I know about Oberon is he makes me think sometimes I have a revenant with Mesmer skin augment in my team but then I see the vegetation everywhere

[mellow palm]

Now with arcane persistence? Even better

[mellow palm]

Revenant but with more active gameplay

And better kit too

One smite, strips almost everything no matter the level

[smoky widget]

any improvements

[mellow palm]

Then there's confusion from hallowed ground

[bold estuary]

That doesn’t sound amazing ngl can’t terrify do that in an area or pillage in an area while also giving shields?

[mellow palm]

It strips armor and overguard too, 100%

[glass rampart]

Smite didn't do anything without smite infusion, carpet is mostly the same I think, regen didn't give your armour, and reckoning didn't armour strip unless you did it on top of carpet

[bold estuary]

Oh overguard as well mb that’s busted

[mellow palm]

Only leave 25% health on near 300% strength

My build is near 300% strength so, i keep his whole kit intact and use persistence because there's renewal

And universal fallout

[bold estuary]

I’m gonna do a proper wisp build when I get my universal fallout maxed with her sun augment it seems fun

[mellow palm]

Full umbral set and one tauforged azure to get 1569 hp, 3 seconds of cheesing my way out in case something goes wrong

And i don't even have to worry about status effect, hallowed ground clean and immune from status effects, causing confusion, what else can i ask for? Not even mentioned about reckoning too, area armor strip

Plenty of spaces to dodge and survive, also KILL

[mellow palm]

If you have primed shred, replace vile acceleration with it

Primed shred has 2.2 punch through along with 55% fire rate

[glass rampart]

His passive was useless

It was like

Your companion has bonus health and faster revive speed

[gusty nova]

😭 😭

[glass rampart]

Revenant but not boring

[mellow palm]

Exactly

[glass rampart]

Revenant has 1 ability

1 ability and a subsume slot

His thralls are worthless besides for cc and his reave is the only other thing worth a damn because it does percentage damage

[hard dove]

Reave requires too much setup and is wonky to use on small tile
Smite simply work and is much better at aoe
Plus does og/armor strip

[glass rampart]

and can nuke tilesets because it's also percentage damage and a percentage of the damage you deal to the first enemy gets spread to others

[gaunt star]

Isn't that the old passive?

[glass rampart]

Yeah his old one

Wasn't worth a damn even before the companion rework

[gaunt star]

Now it's invulnerability on health pickups right?

[glass rampart]

Yep or universal

Which is why arcane universal fallout...

[cobalt fable]

What is the best build for dante ?

[glass rampart]

Depends. Caster build or Gun build

[cobalt fable]

More like the caster build

[glass rampart]

Don't know much about the caster build but I assume a lot of range and strength

[cobalt fable]

Ty I will work on that

[dusk cliff]

which one would you guys pick?

[cold salmon]

right is better

+multishot it really good
-cc is really good
status duration doesnt really matter to laetum so its the only undesired thing in that riven

[fierce lark]

i uh

don't think that's slottable?

[late hemlock]

I dont think id run em over any regular mod

But then again really hard to get something that's actually useful with such low dispo

[lavish orbit]

Only if you want to maximize that 2000% damage luck when you do a non crit hit

But meh

[eternal oxide]

i need a gauss speed buidd

[gusty nova]

The amount of +%dps a -cc riven actually gives is pretty low

[fierce lark]

yeah rivens for the zariman incarnons are pretty hard to get usable rolls

[sharp flame]

hello I'd like to ask, is the xoris a good melee?

[late hemlock]

Very yes

Also has a unique trait which makes it best in slot by far for farming granum void

[sharp flame]

should I use it even though Im still early game?

[coral plank]

Can the retriver mods for beasts be considered abilities?

[late hemlock]

They are just passives that even work when they are down or if you do archwing missiond

[midnight horizon]

Yes yes

[coral plank]

Good crit?

[midnight horizon]

Good

[midnight horizon]

Hold on what weapon is. This?????? 13k?????

[coral plank]

Huras Claw

[midnight horizon]

Did you mix 2 Additive Damage mods?

[midnight horizon]

Oh Huras Clae

The Claw of Huras Kubro

Not a Weapon of a frame

[coral plank]

Clawd my Huras till they invisi kill

[midnight horizon]

Aight.... God damn I feel stupud

[coral plank]

I realised that Huras can attack even when theyre invisible

Unlike Shade as I remembered

[midnight horizon]

Yup

[late hemlock]

Should be running hunter synergy and mecha overdrive, massive boost to claws

Also if you want strictly damage with the kubrow go sunika

[white lodge]

I'm confused, On ivaras navigator.. giving more duration makes the multiplier growth go down, is that bad?

[fierce lark]

yeah it looks like they screwed up the formula lol

put a divider instead of a multiplier

[velvet pulsar]

Use arcane concentration

[white lodge]

It's actually right, though why it is that way I donno.

[fierce lark]

no im not saying it’s listed wrong

i mean they probably didn’t mean to have it scale inversely with duration

but maybe they did

less duration = faster in theory

[velvet pulsar]

It's recommended to have regular duration between 75% to 95%

[night laurel]

my tigris does 80k its fine

[midnight horizon]

Like... Damage stats? In the stats? Not in the damage... Showy showy glowy bologne?

[night laurel]

no yeah, really. give me a bit

[midnight horizon]

Bet

[winged nebula]

Hey I am building a Stahlta build for bosses in disruption and is this Riven work if I take out serration or should I look of Cc Cd and toxin Riven and replace toxin instead

[night laurel]

sorry that took a bit

[midnight horizon]

A HUNNED???????? GOLLY!!!

[night laurel]

i can go up to 110k with all 90+ mods but i gotta go for a quick bodega run and dont wanna think about whats a good generalist element combo lol

[night laurel]

its a really situational gun. i don't exactly clear rooms with a tigris

[midnight horizon]

I want this in my Torid... This damage right here.... I need this for my DUAL toxo and my Torid

[vale token]

Someone here that can give me a quick Uriel build?

[midnight horizon]

Shi do range, duration or strength

Whatever it is, you still win 100%

That's how easy Uriel is hahahah

[vale token]

Haha that’s the thing idk what he can do and what would be the ultimate build for damage giving hahahah im a noob at building

[midnight horizon]

There is no ultimate build for him. You're a "noob" at building? You cannot be a noob at building Uriel

Trust me, in the bottom of my heart Give Uriel whatever it is, and you will win

[vale token]

Hahahah idk what he does 🫣 I haven’t played in MONTHS hahahaha

[midnight horizon]

1 heat
2 heal plus shield heal
3 more heat and fire them
4 more heat

Literally no joke

That's his whole summary hahahah

Uriel proc SO MUCH HEAT that even as simple as a no forma build was able to deal damage enough to kill lvl 300 enemies

[night laurel]

yeah, i do run him for SP Scaldra survi

[vale token]

What the helllyyyy hahahhahaha

Im glad i dont do forma 🤣

[midnight horizon]

Shi I once used him in Void Cascade and the lvl 9999 on my pure durstion build and they just plop hahahah

Melted like butter

[midnight horizon]

Oh and when I first got him, no Orokin Reactor..... Yeah, still the same, able to deal damage enough for lvl 300+

His survivability if you ask? Spam 2

It gives Energy, health and heals you along with the shield

[vale token]

Whahahhaha this might become my new fav frame oh no

[midnight horizon]

XDDD but because of this (and this is just me) he got so boring to the point I subsume him, I am still using Vauban bc he is fun to play

That's me, we have preferences

[midnight horizon]

But yeah, remember... When handling Uriel, you don't need a specific build

Sure you can... There are no limits in building a frame

But if it's Uriel Specifically, you don't

Bc either way, you proc so much damage that it doesn't even matter...

Uriel is the ANGRIEST frame you'll ever had hahahahah

[vale token]

damn im interested how this will go then XD idk if ill be able to handle him

just slapped the basic on him XD

Okey so I can tell first time playing him he’s the… old ember

[astral tinsel]

He's like old Ember was on base star chart

[midnight horizon]

Hell yeah! Go for it!!!

Now it'll depends on how you use it, only remember that the 2 IS the survivability

[midnight horizon]

True, I heard the stories hahahah

[vale token]

Oooh I loved ember back in the day walk around and killevrything one hit… I mean I gotta get used to him again knowing when to use the abilities bc so far I’m spamming 2 but idk what to do with the rest

He doesn’t seem to like dying… 🤣

[night laurel]

what do people usually build Grendel for? i assume strength?

[vale token]

I like Grendel I want him idk where to get n

[lean warren]

quick question about cyte's evade helminth - if I helminth evade onto another frame, does modding for duration affect the ability's duration maximum or is it always stuck at 25 secs?

(specifically thinking about getting evade on harrow)

[midnight horizon]

Hahaha

[midnight horizon]

Who Uriel? Yup

[coral plank]

Dont have mecha overdrive

Everytime I use Sevagoth nuke build other then solo survival I keep running out of energy, every time

[midnight horizon]

It is like that

The nuke is not the main damage, it's more of a Problem Solver

Use guns, shoot to get more energy

Kill to get more energy

@coral plank keep in mind. Sevagoth is very ENERGY hungry, so use his nuke less as possible

[coral plank]

Then I gotta find a way to survive whilst restoring energy

[gaunt star]

Is this for Sevagoth?

[coral plank]

Yeah

[karmic prism]

is this what i want for torid inc?

should i forma again the same polarity

[late hemlock]

Makes a HUGE difference if you use it and have a good stat stick

Like look at the status chance lol

[coral plank]

Alright

[celest thicket]

i always felt like most postures dont work that well

i did felt some difference with protector posture, the dog/cat stays very close

[late hemlock]

Its mostly for the added passive of more overguard damage

The main attacks come from the precept

[celest thicket]

ah yes the secondary effect is pretty useful

[coral plank]

What gun helps replenish energy

[lavish orbit]

Useful with Citrine, that's it lol

[velvet pulsar]

Tenet Glaxion
Or u can use this:

[velvet pulsar]

Frenzied Posture helps panzer to prime different enemies, unless u mean posture mods aren't affecting beast AI effectively, that's a different problem.

[waxen spire]

Can someone help me with a Caliban build?

[coral plank]

Guess ill try the tenet glax

[night laurel]

lol hello, i have Evade Harrow, it scales with dur:

it works as well as you think, which is Very

[astral tinsel]

if you get an impact one you can stack primary exhilarate and the augment

[celest thicket]

am i crazy or the Strun used to be magazine fed ?

[coral plank]

Isnt it still?

[astral tinsel]

there's also xata invocation

[coral plank]

Photon Overcharge... hmm

[astral tinsel]

up until... update 17 in 2015

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/SB8jZVLuBCs?si=0WxpJiBfqTC6MfUV

[lean warren]

How's the energy sustain with replacing his 3? My current thought is to replace condemn since I'm worried about energy economy and figured not needing condemn means I can drop range completely. Am I making a mistake?

[velvet pulsar]

IDK how much this could help ur sevagoth in this case but maybe it'll help something

[celest thicket]

im using the prime right now and its shell based, not magazine

[lean warren]

My in-progress idea of the build. Thinking of pairing this with my burston prime incarnon

[astral tinsel]

I also run shivering contagion and primary debilitate with viral

[night laurel]

I have never had an issue with energy imo. Condemn is now only for making headshots more convenient, and your only other energy expense is your 2 or the occasional 4 (i use Lasting Covenant, so both evade + 4 have near infinite uptime as long as i keep killing)

lol thats almost exactly my build. might replace P Flow with regular flow, now that i think of it
this took me to SP Cascade pretty well, the only downside being if you don't kill fast enough it's a bit inconvenient to keep recasting 3 + 4

[lean warren]

I just don't own prime flow lol

[celest thicket]

i was looking at the strun prime stats thinking it was magazine fed and thought: 4,6 reload time ? does he need to disassemble the gun ?

[night laurel]

some suggestions:

[lean warren]

Oh shit right totally forgot about crepuscular

[night laurel]

i paired mine with Phenmor and it's worked really well! you just shred through heads and i get like 91 seconds on 4 and 40 seconds on 3 max

now that i think of it, Crepuscular is useless on the phenmor, oops.

[lean warren]

Phenmor? The non-crit weapon?

[night laurel]

yes that's my brain fart 😔

[lean warren]

Doesn't that also make your 4 useless too

[severe bough]

Crit phenmore users🗿

[lean warren]

I use phenmor on my gauss and I love it but harrow seems like the worst frame for it

[night laurel]

i didn't have a better gun to pair it with, but also I'm fine with the loop of 1 and 3

i don't have other fancy incarnons and my setup is subprime i'm aware 😔

1 makes headshots very consistent btw especially for incarnons

anyways do as i say and not as i do; i really recommend spectral serration and crepuscular

[lean warren]

👍

I think I'll stick to the burston incarnon over phenmor but otherwise I'll take your advice haha

[night laurel]

my lineup is very dated and suboptimal Phenmor is my first proper full auto "good" gun

[lean warren]

"service weapon"?

Also how's the vinq? Is the 6 forma investment worth it 😮

[lavish orbit]

I feel the melee to be a bit underwhelming (good with doughty tho) but the mosin nagant primary is really good, especially with gas status

[gray garden]

i dont know what build is better, crit, explosion, full status, all of them melt eximus baubau so idk

[velvet pulsar]

Definitely not the title anymore

We have crit phenmor now

[velvet pulsar]

Nope ur brain in right direction
Matter of fact, phenmor has headshot perks

[astral tinsel]

but is it comparable to non-crit?

[velvet pulsar]

I tell u what's the comparison
Xata

Xata phenmor is still a thing, except instead of the attrition perk, it's the headshot perk

We're still double dipping

But not as good as pre-nerf

[astral tinsel]

oh yeah that could work

[velvet pulsar]

I don't use felarx anymore

I've realised it's dumb to use crit lock requirement buffs in a public squad.

Same reason why I hate Melee Duplicate

[celest thicket]

i always prefered the headshot path

[errant sorrel]

touch choice, any opinions?

[velvet pulsar]

4 statter

That -reload speed reminds me of my riven.

Unrolled

[night laurel]

ive been peer pressured into getting a proper incarnon gun

[astral tinsel]

oh definitely

so much better than the other one

[velvet pulsar]

It's ridiculous that people tell me to reroll this

[astral tinsel]

no crit stats, no PT

[velvet pulsar]

Toxocyst doesn't need more crit stats

It's just slightly below 100%, but the innate puncture it has allows it to get flat crit to reach 100%

And punch through is kinda overrated but then again, now we have merciless gunfight

[astral tinsel]

no reason not to go past 100% with 3x base CD and high firerate

[coral plank]

Oh wait, I had those swapped in mind

[velvet pulsar]

Atleast I have the basics covered

So mine can take advantage of more damage, the rest 2 stats are definitely good

[celest thicket]

so....why critical deceleration a madurai polarity , if critical delay and creeping bulleye is naramon ?

that annoys me a little bit

[velvet pulsar]

Perhaps to make shotgun builds more flexible?

[astral tinsel]

ironically, shotguns are the one weapon type where you always want to use the corrupted crit mod

[velvet pulsar]

Surely that's not 100% true for cedo or Bubonico right?

[astral tinsel]

blunderbuss is only +90%

[celest thicket]

Shotgun mods in general have so weak stats

[snow ice]

Hmmm not really, tigris prime is powerful enough

[trim hill]

If I had to guess, it's an attempt at balancing against the "per-pellet" nature of crit and status? 25% crit chance on a shotgun that shoots 8 pellets is essentially 2 critical pellets every shot

[lavish orbit]

Shotgun are just guns with natural multishot

[velvet pulsar]

I don't think multishot has separate crits?
If yes then it's DE's fault that beams don't scale CC with MS

[lavish orbit]

If multishot is an other damage instance, idk why it wouldnt

[trim hill]

Multishot does have separate crits, yeah

And shotguns have like 2B multishot before mods

[velvet pulsar]

Well then multiply my beam CC DE

Lemme push my Tenet Cycron & Tenet Glaxion CC above 100%.

[trim hill]

Beam weapons having tick-rate damage styles probably messed with more of their coding than they expected back in 2015, lol

[lavish orbit]

Spaghetti bullets made by spaghetti code

[trim hill]

Speaking of: I wonder if we will ever get all the "legacy" weapon models as skins... I'd like a Grakata-style Ignis again

[velvet pulsar]

Nvidia skin

[trim hill]

That was only the Braton, right?

[dire zenith]

For a secondary damage weapon, do I get the tenet cycron or kuva nukor?

Other better options would be great I'm just trying to avoid an incarnon

[karmic prism]

why avoid incarnons?

[lavish orbit]

Cycron doesn't have munition problem, but you need to wait to get them back

[karmic prism]

im having tons of fun with atomos

[dire zenith]

I dislike having to charge them always and the acquisition can take a bit if it's not in rotation

[karmic prism]

i almost dont use the incarnon form of atomos

its cool with gauss cause with his 2nd ability i get knockback immunity and with the incarnon form i become a landmine

[coral crest]

It's actually a thing with incarnons that many of their evolutions focus on buffing the base weapon

Many incarnon weapons can be built without really using the form

No reason to avoid the adapter if you can just build for not using the mode

And yet, +15% base crit chance from an evolution doesn't hurt

[dire zenith]

Oh I didn't know, I thought all incarnons were used just for the mode

[coral crest]

Usually, but not always the case

Atomos incarnon form is very different and requires pretty much a different build, but you can still take full advantage of the base stat bonuses evolutions provide

Felarx is rarely even used in the incarnon mode

[lavish orbit]

Felarx and Sicarus aren't for example :)

[coral crest]

It's definitely dependent on the weapon, and even if the incarnon is usually stronger, you can totally use the normal mode and bring it up quite a bit with the base stat boosts

I think either Strun or Boar have a great use too

Atomos already was mentioned

[dire zenith]

Oh I may get sicarus then

[coral crest]

Miter also has an evolution line that's entirely focused on making the base form stronger

You can legitemately turn it into an aoe weapon

[velvet pulsar]

I'm sure sicarus these days is mostly use for the bug

So they don't care about incarnon or Incarnoff

[velvet pulsar]

Can u recommend any primary incarnoffs other than felarx?

[coral crest]

I can't remember whether it's Boar or Strun that works very well with incarnoff

I constantly confuse these two guns

[dire zenith]

What bug

[velvet pulsar]

Both are shotguns anyway

[coral crest]

Which one is the 5 million status chance

[velvet pulsar]

Boar is beam in incarnon
Strun is grenade

Strun is insane status chance

[coral crest]

Probably strun then

[velvet pulsar]

Well I guess I'm on the right track then

[coral crest]

And as I said, Miter Incarnoff is really weird. You basically turn it into a bouncing Ogris

It has a unique evolution of that gives charged shots an aoe explosion

[velvet pulsar]

Ohhhh

This week is miter?

[coral crest]

Ye

Go get em

[velvet pulsar]

I had no idea we had such unique buffs to incarnoff as well

[coral crest]

Miter is such an underrated weapon

It has a super gimmicky Incarnoff evolution

[velvet pulsar]

Oh wait

[coral crest]

It charges in like 1 shot

[velvet pulsar]

But I already might've farmed the genesis lol

[coral crest]

And incarnon mode is just Latron with homing projectiles

High dispo as well

Oh and it has the "shatter nullifiers instantly" augment

[velvet pulsar]

Yup, just checked, already farmed

Just need to install now

[coral crest]

But do you have it

[velvet pulsar]

Gotta build Miter the weapon

[coral crest]

Not only it's a boss drop weapon

It's also in a requirement chain to craft Panthera

Horrifying fate

[coral crest]

It's a tough choice, but its a sign of bravery

[velvet pulsar]

I even haven't finished Synoid Gammacor from my wishlist

It's just rusting in my inventory

Now Miter's turn

[coral crest]

It's probably my favorite incarnon weapon :3

Very strong, very versatile, and perfect for a caster

[astral tinsel]

why?

[velvet pulsar]

(it was half-jokingly)

Beams likely get the same proc rate

[coral crest]

It's a beam... Literally spaghetti bullets

[astral tinsel]

fair

[lavish orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/food-gif-26394877

[astral tinsel]

the quadratic status scaling is a neat quirk, but crit is already perfectly consistent

[velvet pulsar]

Moa PissTol Beams

[velvet pulsar]

That too only has advantage against regular enemies

Not the status capped ones or the status immune ones.

[coral crest]

It's just an anti-debilitate policy

[astral tinsel]

it's been nullifying most status builds for much longer than that

where are the crit-immune enemies DE

[coral crest]

We had one, pretty sure

It has been removed by now

[astral tinsel]

which one was that again?

[coral crest]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Necramite?oldid=2695179

Im just gonna leave it here

This is pre Vallis Undermind

Don't ever question why this was a thing

[astral tinsel]

I never noticed, they always went down so fast

[velvet pulsar]

They were tanky pre attenuation nerf

[modern isle]

Is this how I build the tree hugger?

[velvet pulsar]

We already have those

Object based health right?

[astral tinsel]

on what kinds of missions?

[velvet pulsar]

Labs tileset

They never were enemies

Neutral entity

[astral tinsel]

I know, I just never had any issues with them running netracells

[velvet pulsar]

Netracell versions were always weak

It's the neutral mob version which were tanky

[trim hill]

Bruh lol

[coral crest]

Have you seen the wiki page I've sent?

It's nightmare fuel

[severe bough]

Jus Cyte zarr them boom them away into Space

[coral crest]

For no reason they gave him this complex formula to reduce the damage

[velvet pulsar]

Object based health are crit immune right?

[astral tinsel]

I have, I just never noticed in practice

[astral tinsel]

I think so?

but when is that an obstacle

last time I cared about that was when I was looking for the best weapon to charge antimatter drop with

[coral crest]

Yeah

Aoe status and crit immune

Which is why Hildryn's balefire can't damage any objects

[velvet pulsar]

Exploiter Orb

Janus Vor has some turrets

[silver oar]

Is there a secondary weapon that is best paired with Yareli Prime?

[pallid quiver]

ocucor

cyanex on her is pretty good too i think

[astral tinsel]

stuff you wouldn't want to use enervate on

[pallid quiver]

saw a yareli running around with it nuking entire rooms

[deep grotto]

Or her signature

[karmic prism]

which of these is harder to farm

[pallid quiver]

thats the crit buff right

[deep grotto]

Hildryn

[pallid quiver]

hildryn

[astral tinsel]

cyanex has 1.4 base crit multi

[astral tinsel]

it's a flat buff, which makes it extra good on low crit chance weapons

[pallid quiver]

i see

[karmic prism]

just to see if i commit to this garuda fortuna bounty grind lol

[astral tinsel]

it also means it's not worth using together with multiplier buffs like yareli's passive

[pallid quiver]

pretty sure the hildy grind is worse but yea

i got hildy from 2 weeks ago so i might go for baruuk or garuda

not sure yet

is there baruuk prim?

[astral tinsel]

yeah

[west radish]

how big is the diffrence in dmg levelcap with +3 and fullstrip

percetnage wise or smth my little brain can understand

[pallid quiver]

how bad is getting baruuk

compared to garuda

[west radish]

garuda is fortuna bounty

so probably not hard

[hard dove]

Baruuk is way harder

Need r5 fortuna and at least r4 vox iirc

[west radish]

yeah aint no joke

altough when i think about it

both are easy to get tbf

id rather get garuda from circuit

[silver oar]

Ah ok I see, thanks!

[karmic prism]

i got the bps already for garuda lol

is there any way to buy toroids

or do i just have to farm them

[late hemlock]

farm them from whatever base has the mobs drop em

[karmic prism]

thought so

[zealous gull]

anyone know of a melee tank build for rhino prime?

[celest thicket]

does valence formation proc archon continuity ?

[lavish orbit]

Yes

Oh wait

[late hemlock]

iirc no its probably like toxic lash which doesnt proc

wiki should have a list

[mighty flare]

no

infused weapons dont

[celest thicket]

oh sad

[distant ore]

Question which would be better to run in order to buff mesas regulators eclipse or roar

[celest thicket]

roar

it also affects your companion and squad mates

[lavish orbit]

Yep nope my bad just tried, completely forgot about that

[velvet pulsar]

Valence Formation enables subsumed weapon damage class ability like Null Star to proc archon continuity.

[distant ore]

Thanks

[mighty flare]

you usually take nourish instead

[lavish orbit]

^

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/l0Hd109kwyA?si=8tvvohfipG8oR_Eh

[late hemlock]

if you use a bane mod then eclipse > roar, otherwise roar=eclipse

but nourish for the energy is probably your best bet

[distant ore]

I don’t have it yet haven’t started farming him

[mighty flare]

her regulators best setup is raw corrosive/heat, then nourish

[velvet pulsar]

This is what Nourish Mesa can do:
https://youtu.be/SB8jZVLuBCs?si=DxLRIxn5_DZ_iZrC

[distant ore]

Thanks for the advice I’m trying to run a fire rate build over raw crit

[mighty flare]

the beautiful thing of wf is 99% of the time the answer for building is both

[late hemlock]

part of the reason to use heat is crit in the first place

you do not just ignore crit entirely

[distant ore]

I have heat on them along with running archon vitality to help double the heat just didn’t know the corrosive effect good

[mighty flare]

pure heat is pretty awful

[late hemlock]

archon vitality doesnt stack hotshot

not worth using vitality on mesa

[distant ore]

Didn’t know that.I heard one of the things I needed was hotshot been grinding to get it slowly but surely

[velvet pulsar]

New knowledge?

However I think heat inherit is messing something here

[late hemlock]

dont think its new, you can find pretty old threads talking about this already

getting one heat proc will only give you one hotshot stack even when archon vitality makes it 2 heat procs

[velvet pulsar]

Does heat inherit proc Hot Shot?

Let's say...

I applied 1 heat status on an unscratched enemy using an ability, then I used a heat primer gun and applied more heat stacks before the first one expired, then heat inherit considers all subsequent heat procs as ability procs.

However IDK if Hot Shot will consider that too.

[lavish orbit]

I get you an answer in 1min

[velvet pulsar]

Great

[lavish orbit]

No

It's not heat dot that apply hot shot but the heat status that you put on an enemy by an ability

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah so either this time DE finally knew what they were doing or it was a fluke.

[novel bear]

Melee afflictions on exalted melees also doesn’t proc hotshot

[velvet pulsar]

Funny how hot shot could've been bugged in any other way and probably would've been in our favor

[velvet pulsar]

Also does Archon Vitality has some insane synergy with afflictions exalted melees?

[novel bear]

Haven’t tried

[velvet pulsar]

I've heard some stories

[novel bear]

Usually when you apply multiple heat procs at once archon vitality only adds one extra proc

I would think afflictions wouldn’t break the mold

[velvet pulsar]

I trust heat inherit

I wonder if afflictions will proc before A.Vitality or vice versa.

[novel bear]

Does it matter? They both add a flat number of procs

[nova swift]

Does the vitality heat proc roll a seperate chance for encumber? Or same issue as hotshot?

[late hemlock]

i assume it wouldnt because its not the weapon proccing the heat but the mod from the warframe?

[lavish orbit]

^

Depends if the mod effect is counted has an ability or not

[coral crest]

There do exist exalted weapons

And vitality does affect exalted weapons

[lavish orbit]

Ye but does it affect encumber

Like, it's not the warframe, the weapon or the ability that put the heat proc

[coral crest]

Seems pretty easy to test

I don't have any frames with exalted secondaries though...

[late hemlock]

Mesa should be easy to check

[lavish orbit]

Lemme sacrifice myself

[novel bear]

Seems like it would be annoying to tell if encumber is actually rolling a second time

Especially with mesa putting out such a high volume of damage instances

[coral crest]

Jade?

Her output is pretty limited in terms of damage instances

[lavish orbit]

I can confirm that

Vitality proc but not encumber a second time

[karmic prism]

is this what the build would look like? im sturggling with descendia 8 lol

[late hemlock]

Not having an arcane is easily your biggest power loss here

[karmic prism]

only that? i mean is it that much of a difference

[late hemlock]

The build is generally fine enough, could use something like primed cryo rounds over rime rounds for example

But its fine

Opening exilus for vigilante supplies is also a free damage boost but not nearly as valuable as just having a big base damage buff

[karmic prism]

so having primary merciless is the best i can do_

[late hemlock]

Thats fine, just a bunch of more damage you did not have at all beforehand

[fierce lark]

it would almost triple your damage, yes

[karmic prism]

UFF

[fierce lark]

actually it would do more since you aren't even using a max ranked serration

(i would suggest not maxing it and getting amalgam serration from thermia instead lol)

[karmic prism]

merciless is rank 0 tho

[fierce lark]

buy a rank 5 one from warframe.market, they're like 15-20p and well worth it

[karmic prism]

should i use any other galvanized mods

[fierce lark]

nah, aptitude doesn't work and scope optional but not my preference on torid

[narrow granite]

opignion on mi build ? :3 https://overframe.gg/build/968842/

[lavish orbit]

triumbral

that's rare on a wisp

[narrow granite]

it do be stupid fun tho xD

[fierce lark]

probably cause it does next to nothing

vitality motes give flat hp based on str, she barely has any hp to scale vitality

[late hemlock]

definitely dont need armor and health mods on her

[gleaming oasis]

Can I use the generic elec influence build on the amanata with the exception of the weapon specific damage mod over stretch since it can already get the range from its ability?

[late hemlock]

also crepescular is like a ton more value on wisp than bellicose

[narrow granite]

how much would crep give? beli gives me the cap

[late hemlock]

less strength but you get a HUGE damage boost from crit multiplier

[narrow granite]

is why I have tribra

[late hemlock]

it is not worth squeezing every tiny bit of strength if you lose so much other value along the way

spending 2 whole mod slots that do nothing for you besides boost intensify is just not worth it

[stray depot]

any good Rauta builds?

[fierce lark]

subsumed 2 means you have to live in aimglide in order to benefit from it

[lavish orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjpMZpC65AQ hear me out

[late hemlock]

depends on your weapon but jumping while spamming melee is fine, and it snapshots for motes anyways

thats just a lot of damage left on the table if you actually take advantage and synergize with it

though id rather subsume 4 anyways on the vast majority of builds

[narrow granite]

I absolutely hate her 2 xD

never cease praising the sun!

[fierce lark]

the biggest issue is this

[stray depot]

aaaannnybody with a rauta build

[quiet laurel]

why, its free invis

[late hemlock]

definitely agree that the other 2 umbrals are just not worth using at all

2 is also free invuln

well not free but invuln

[quiet laurel]

i can see why someone wouldnt like the invuln part cause its very short duration

[fierce lark]

at the very least throw in an armor shard and persistence and then you have an effectively immortal wisp as long as you're moving in/out of motes

[quiet laurel]

but the invis stays as long as the clone is up

[late hemlock]

3 seconds is pretty decent for an emergency invuln

persistence wisp is cursed when you have so much invis in her kit

[fierce lark]

lol some people just have the absolute need to force health tanking its fine

and wisp at least has an equally easy time maintaining hp for persistence

it's less insane than ive seen some other frames doing triumbral persistence

(valkyr)

((kullervo))

[karmic prism]

also dying quite a bit and idk if its skill issue or build lol

struggling with descendia normal 10

[quiet laurel]

how do you die with this

[narrow granite]

doesnt it just count invis by simply jumpin/aimglidin?

[nova swift]

my fav wisp build is the wrathful advance innodem air attack spam with aero vantage

[karmic prism]

idk maybe it is skill issue_

[fierce lark]

well you literally can't die with this build as long as you trigger aegis once in a mission (outside of toxin procs) so idk what you're doing wrong

[late hemlock]

sounds giga overkill lmao

[quiet laurel]

gets broken by shooting, 2 is constant unconditional invis

[late hemlock]

wisp just throwing glaives midair instakills kind of anything

[narrow granite]

unless ye have supressor

[karmic prism]

maybe toxin procs? im doing descendia

[quiet laurel]

has to be toxin

[fierce lark]

idk maybe descendia this week has some aids toxin

[quiet laurel]

cause you are immortal to shield dmg

or magnetic proc is also a weakness to gauss

[karmic prism]

im constantly recharging shield

[nova swift]

does have a few of those red spicy zone modifiers

[karmic prism]

but i only have like 100hp

[nova swift]

I forgot how they are called, the guys running about

[quiet laurel]

duviri liminus?

[fierce lark]

are you trying to kill things mainly with sunder or your gun

[nova swift]

yea those. Definitely one of those in descendia this week

[karmic prism]

i dont use sunder just gun pretty much

[quiet laurel]

then you dont need range

[fierce lark]

get the thermal transfer augment when you can

[karmic prism]

i was gonna replace sunder with roar later tonight when subsume is done

[fierce lark]

and yeah nuke range

get more strength

[quiet laurel]

subsume 1 or 2

[karmic prism]

wdym

[quiet laurel]

dont subsume 3 for a weapons platformer

[pallid quiver]

Does strength affect sunder a lot or nah

[fierce lark]

it affects thermal transfer iirc

[karmic prism]

like what mods

[fierce lark]

and you're gonna wanna subsume a buff over 2

[quiet laurel]

the buffing part a lot more than sunder itself but having some strength helps with the buildup of nuke sunder

[compact cypress]

is something like the raska or chesa kubrow good for using a mecha set build? been unlucky with random breeding

[karmic prism]

im hitting rank 5 arbiter of hex in a few days

[fierce lark]

blind rage, transient fortitude, umbral intensify, etc

yes im running 400% duration dw about it

holy shit i wish i could run 400% range

[quiet laurel]

the humble invig

[compact cypress]

sundussy

[pallid quiver]

Is that for gun platform with 4?

I have barely any idea what his 4 does lol

[quiet laurel]

gun platform with 2,3 and 4

4 gives attack speed, fire rate, reload speed based on ability duration

[compact cypress]

its basedc on duration?

[quiet laurel]

yes

thats the whole reason you spam duration on gauss

[fierce lark]

yeah the buff itself scales with duration it's weirdge

[compact cypress]

ive never realized lol

dont play gauss enough

[pallid quiver]

What’s the 2 got to do with gun buffing tho

[fierce lark]

subsume a buff over it

[coral crest]

Just like Dagath's 4 range scales with duration

[fierce lark]

i have xata's for blast transfer

[coral crest]

Some frames are just weirdos

[quiet laurel]

3 infuses blast and xatas double dips blast

[pallid quiver]

Ohh

[late hemlock]

this doesnt seem to work with only fast deflection, only with both that and vigor?

[quiet laurel]

or other way around

[nova swift]

so, considering his 3 gives him a huge blast damage buff with the augment you want to either sacrifice 1 or 2 for another gun buff

[quiet laurel]

blast double dips xatas

[mighty flare]

They’re more supportive, pets like Huras or sunika are more dps based

[fierce lark]

you only need 1

[late hemlock]

here is me with fast deflection and no vigor

[nova swift]

xata is a good pick because of how it synergises with blast, and roar buffs blast too quite well

[late hemlock]

when i put vigor on in addition is when this doesnt happen

very repeatable

[quiet laurel]

you need 4 active

[compact cypress]

alrighty, gotta wait another 2 days 😔

[fierce lark]

you need to not be at 0 battery

[late hemlock]

it works at 0 battery with both of them then?

[fierce lark]

probably, but when are you ever at that low of battery if you're actually playing the game

[late hemlock]

ok but what if i want to do nothing

[quiet laurel]

then you die ig lol

[fierce lark]

play revenant

[mighty flare]

🤫

[late hemlock]

you dont if you equip both recharge mods lol

[quiet laurel]

I might have spread misinfo

[fierce lark]

i'll take functionally immortal over literally immortal if it saves me a mod slot

[quiet laurel]

but its tech trust

[late hemlock]

funny immortal might be worth it though....

[fierce lark]

rumor has it if you stand still for longer than 5 seconds with gauss he will mach rush through the monitor and break your orbital socket

E and H are nowhere near each other how did that even happen

[mighty flare]

Knowers knowing

[wary prism]

holy hell

[maiden oracle]

How does Xata synergize with Blast?

I've heard that Xata is super good but I usually don't see why

[nova swift]

the blast explosion also gets a bonus hit from xata

[maiden oracle]

Ah

[nova swift]

so you hit them, get the bonus xata hit, apply blast status

and if the blast explodes that also applies xata

[maiden oracle]

o h

Does this chain or nah

[nova swift]

not quite, the xata hit cant proc blast

so you just get more damage on your blast but thats it

but it gets kinda funky when you apply things like status damage or faction damage

the initial hit gets faction damage, the blast proc gets faction damage, and the xata hit from the blast proc also gets faction damage

[maiden oracle]

Oh boy

So is this why I'll sometimes see a Xaku running around with a Trumna or something like that

Or is it just cause of their correlation to Deimos

[nova swift]

probably? You could make a pretty decent gun platform/hybrid with xaku these days

[maiden oracle]

Noted, I'll try building my Trumna for that myself later then

[nova swift]

oh yea xata has a bunch of other funny things too, like headshot multipliers apply multiple times, and so do stealth melee bonuses

so you hit a headshot, get bonus damage, and the xata hit again gets the bonus damage

[steep furnace]

HOW DO I DO THIS ???

[nova swift]

use a cipher ;D

other then that, run around the coast looking for a mining spot/fishing hotspot (oxylus recommended)

get the fish, quickly swipe over the mining spot (doesnt have to be perfect) use your hotkeyed archwing to fly to one of those guard towers and snipe the ballista

oh, this is plains what im talking about, but you could probably do this in the other ones too

[maiden oracle]

Oh gods

I guess I'll gind fo Xaku base to get that sweet succulent Xata subsume then

Anyways how's this look for a quickly thrown together attempt at a weapons Xaku

[raven dragon]

anyone got spare of these mods

[undone dust]

hi xaku connoisseur here
assuming you're talking about a weapons platform xaku
high range isn't generally needed as for a weapons platform oriented setup, grasp and his 3rd dont provide all that much towards the build
strength is also pretty low too
if you're talking about a grasp build, id say it looks solid, still strength is kind of low which doesnt matter for his 2 necessarily but when it comes to camping or locking an area down and stripping enemies with his 3, it kind of matters then

[bold estuary]

I know acuity is worse than multi shot even on headshots but I have a specific question with my Yareli I use this setup with my angstrum for the bouncy bullets auto headshots keeping evade up but it struggles would acuity help maintaining evade easier or not really affect anything at all? (Yareli has 4 tau oranges for crit as well)

[fierce lark]

acuity is typically better than multishot on headshots

it just severely penalizes any head misses, especially if you build into acuity by removing the other crit mod

and lower status application means less viral/corrosive procs

[bold estuary]

I don’t really aim with the build is the thing since I’m gliding around on merulina and I don’t imagine the statues do a ton in the build I’ll probably just have to test it and see how it feels

Cause multi shot affects incarnon charge speed as well right?

[late hemlock]

angstrum in particular got no issues charging

[fierce lark]

yes

[nova swift]

the angstrum incarnon projectiles have multi gunco, so every status effect boosts the damage by a lot

[fierce lark]

don’t use acuity if you aren’t going to aim very deliberately

[late hemlock]

but acuity on angstrum sounds cursed

[fierce lark]

acuity is mainly used for hitscan aoe weapons

[nova swift]

you probably would have to run a recoil exilus too cause that shake is quite a lot especially if you want to keep it on heads

[fierce lark]

because the aoe portion of those don’t get multishot

[late hemlock]

you can use acuity on projectile weapons but you would probably want hard cc so its an easy shot

[bold estuary]

I genuinely couldn’t aim if the thing fired in a straight line with no kickback I’m gonna be honest I both suck and am on a skateboard

[fierce lark]

it’s generically good on burston and opticor, probably some other weapons that i don’t know of, but ms is good on burston too to charge incarnon faster

[bold estuary]

The bullets bouncing are my main headshot method I was considering lowering my non headshot damage with acuity so I can only kill on headshots when the random bullets bounce and hit a head

[fierce lark]

if gas wasn’t bugged, acuity vesper would be a funny shout

[maiden oracle]

The only other build I've actually tried for is my Grasp focus build so I just assumed it'd look pretty similar
Should I be focusing on stength for more Xata damage and armor strip instead then?

[undone dust]

gaze can kind of be neglected with a weapons platform setup tbh
i usually focus on strength and duration like most weapon platform setups on frames

[nova swift]

I think you want some range for armor strip, mostly str and some duration. Maybe the 4 augment for more void damage bonus? You could either run roar or thermal sunder + the augment for more damage on either 2 or 3

kinda wild that a pure xaku is actually a really good pick now because their 1 applies the 4 effect buffing the 2

[maiden oracle]

Dang

Got a bit goofy with it

[undone dust]

well thats always been the case
the augment just makes it better

[maiden oracle]

I forget augments exist tbh

Doesn't seem too good on paper

[undone dust]

xaku's augments are negligible
untime rift is good but it's more of an unnecessary upgrade as it doesnt actually double vast untime's void damage vulnerability like it says
it just applies a second instance of it, bringing it to 125% instead of 100%
it does make killing with grasp easier at lower levels though

[fierce lark]

sky didn’t we have this conversation

[undone dust]

yes actually LMAO

[maiden oracle]

Ic

[undone dust]

our conversation had me learn how the damage vulnerability applies with the aug

[fierce lark]

vast untime is 50% void vuln and adding the augment adds another 50% on top for 125%

[maiden oracle]

Hello Saryn

[karmic prism]

is ambassador good?

[maiden oracle]

50% + 50% = 125%?

[undone dust]

multiplies

[maiden oracle]

Oh so 50% * 50%?

[undone dust]

yes

[maiden oracle]

Sounds big

[undone dust]

not really

[fierce lark]

basically 1.5 x 1.5

= 2.25

[maiden oracle]

[karmic prism]

of all the rivens i have is there any good wep

[maiden oracle]

Might as well get it then

Better use of a mod slot than Power Drift from the sound of it

[undone dust]

nagantaka is solid, so it gotva but im pretty sure gotva has a low dispo(?)

[undone dust]

oh definitely

power drift is kind of a shitty mod unless you need to hit a very specific strength cap and you dont want to use a tau red

[karmic prism]

this mod is solid

[maiden oracle]

Alright great

[fierce lark]

pistol riven is pretty good

[undone dust]

my favorite

[maiden oracle]

Thank you Xaku connoseur and toxin frame

[undone dust]

you are welcome twin

[fierce lark]

something minerva quote

[karmic prism]

does base nagatanka mod work on nagatanka prime

[undone dust]

yes

[remote acorn]

Anyone got build suggestions for trumna prime?

[maiden oracle]

Did some purchasing and this is what I've ended up with now

[fringe breach]

is this kuva nukor build good or nahh

[mighty flare]

close, get secondary enervate then drop ppg for elementalist or whatever and its good
also swap the valence to magnetic if you can

[fringe breach]

i didnt understand a singel sentence

[mighty flare]

go finish the 1999 quests, farm the missions there, unlock the arcane secondary enervate from said missions
you dont need pistol gambit so swap it with something more beneficial like pistol elementalist
kuva weapons can change their valence bonus, you'd want to swap it to magnetic instead of toxin

[rich lance]

Anyone got a good Arca plasmor build?

[midnight horizon]

I found it a bit helpful SOLELY BECAUSE of that 30% Resistance to Knockback

It's good enough for me

[midnight horizon]

Enervate drops in 1999 arcanes?

[undone dust]

yes

[midnight horizon]

Oh

[modern vale]

By valance, he means the damage elemental of your Nukor. It's Toxic. It's called Valence Bonus. He told you to switch to magnetic if you can, but I don't know why you would do it.
And to put it simply, grind for an Arcane called Enervate and remove Primed Pistol Gambit for another elementary mod or damage mod. That's bc Enervate will replace PPG (Primed Pistol Gambit)

[modern vale]

Why magnetic?

[fierce lark]

flexible

the element is good on its own and doesn't combine with anything

[modern vale]

You might be the goat. I swear I see you coming up with a build of everything in this game

[fierce lark]

it's the general standard for most valence guns nowadays

[fierce lark]

meh i just repeat what smart people say/do

[modern vale]

Makes sense.
So when I hunt Liches or Sisters, I'll make sure the valence is magnetic.

[modern vale]

Still a top tenno helper

[fierce lark]

it doesn't make the biggest difference ever since elemental vices are a thing, but yeah when in doubt default magnetic

there's some exceptions, general use bramma wants toxin to make viral slash, ogris might want cold to make raw viral for arbis

heat/elec is never a bad option for status dmg weapons like the nukor and cycron

[deep grotto]

It’s cool?
The word is that it could be better

[tawdry trail]

I like heat nukor bc you can get magnetic from the magnetic might mod now, which also gives crit damage

[fierce lark]

i dont run it but yeah it's nice

if you have external viral it's definitely an option

my one flex slot has punch through

[tawdry trail]

merciless gunfight 👍

[fierce lark]

spry sights should be ruinous extension but i cba to buy it

[tawdry trail]

fair I was gonna ask about that

I have never heard of spy sights before lol

[fierce lark]

it's just movement speed while aiming

my nukor is unfortunately a symptom of my low MR experience so the polarities are all over the place and i dont use it enough to want to spend forma to fix it

otherwise i'd put a bunch of dashes on it and exclusively run corroheat and only use it on nourish frames lol

[tawdry trail]

once you reach that 80 capacity you can afford to have some mismatched polarities anyways

[fierce lark]

thats true for primaries and melees but

secondaries have some expensive ass mods

[tawdry trail]

true, more primed mods I think

[fierce lark]

only class with both a primed cc and cd mod, two primed elements, a 15 cost punch through mod

[tawdry trail]

shotguns are close, just missing a primed cc mod

but that's probably never gonna happen

[fierce lark]

they have more, but some of them are never used

primed point blank, tactical pump, ammo stock

[tawdry trail]

pistols also have primed slip magazine and quickdraw, but they don't have a primed base damage mod (fair)

they get one up on shotguns with primed fulmination

fun

[fierce lark]

oh yeah shotguns can't run firestorm

funny

[hard dove]

Which shotgun does aoe anyway besides strun and maybe corinth

[fierce lark]

phantasma

the altfire specifically

[near crater]

Man the Felarx performs really well in SP. Granted, I did try a few mars Missions and an archon hunt. But I did experiment in Sim for a while.

My only issue: magazine and reloading.
I want to have as much Uptime as possible, but the reload and the low base mag size make it choppy.

Yeah the ammo Regen is there but switching from one weapon to another isn't always something I do.

[fierce lark]

do you dislike the incarnon form?

[shrewd abyss]

Whats a good sevagoth build?

[clear island]

So i have changed koumei roll ability, and i saw the "chyrinka pillar" that pulses radiation status effect from qorvex

• and then "Nourish" from grendel.
  Enemies that attack or are attacked suffer viral damage and energy source provide more energy.

= for me who focus on spreading status, what would be the best for me?

Would not her 1 ability + Qurvex pillar be amazing and focus range?

[fierce lark]

well

her 1 and 4 can already apply every normal status in the game

[fierce lark]

a subsume wouldn't really help with that

if you wanted to do more damage with statuses you'd put roar or sickening pulse over 1/3 and spam 4 to apply random statuses

[velvet pulsar]

I just had a brilliant idea about Lavos...

And that might push my Well of Life propaganda even more...

[clear island]

Ye I want pulse, but thats rank 10 i think? Im just hitting 3

[velvet pulsar]

Do u have Expedite Suffering?

Or harmony?

Or afflictions?

[clear island]

I got nothing special ability atm. Tryin to figure something to help hehe

Having the empower atm, but im thinking about the pillar from qorvex for more aoe status pulse

[fierce lark]

what's the goal meant to be

[clear island]

I wanna spread as much shit as possible 😄

[fierce lark]

yeah there's no subsumes that'll help with that

1 and 4 and modding for range

they spread every status in the game already

[clear island]

Ait, going for qorvix for now until i get pulse later on

[fierce lark]

technically you could subsume xata's over 2 or 3 and get void on your gun

how do you kill things?

[clear island]

Using nataruk, grimore and amanata

Dont wanna rant to much! But for a status "build" what focus would you req?

[fierce lark]

zenurik

or madurai

one has more energy, one has more strength and casting speed

[clear island]

Thanks ^^

[tawdry trail]

I got nekros recently from the last prime resurgence so I've been exploring his builds a bit, and a lot of people seem to treat despoil like it's a mandatory slot, but it doesn't seem that great to me

is it a holdover from the days of worse energy economy?

[fierce lark]

yes

it's good for looting because you spam the shit out of petrify

but it's not necessary for a generalized build

[tawdry trail]

they turned desecrate into a channeled ability so you don't need to spam it anymore I think, now it just drains energy per corpse

[fierce lark]

nono, petrify

you subsume petrify over 4 with precision intensify and run the ore gaze augment

[tawdry trail]

Oh that makes sense

interesting

yeah I thought it would be pretty pointless for a generalised build since slotting equilibrium solves pretty much all energy problems anyway

[late slate]

Can I have some help with my warframe build

I’m using Uriel

[near violet]

any weapon platform gauss builds?

[remote acorn]

Decent riven?

[old zodiac]

Is this alright for nokko?

[nocturne spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[remote acorn]

I'm so confused

[novel bear]

Negative status duration is usually really bad

[velvet pulsar]

Pure crit trumna it is

[remote acorn]

So do I keep or roll

[wild rune]

I'd reroll

[novel bear]

I’d roll

[wild rune]

there's not really anything it'd replace

[novel bear]

Serration

[wild rune]

plus -SD tends to be a killer

[wild rune]

you know, I forgot trumna doesn't use aptitude

[fierce lark]

fwiw

if everything you shoot dies within 2s of you shooting it, -sd isn't doing anything

but that's enough to make it nonfunctional vs most heavies

[remote acorn]

I mean true

I'm mainly going for just pure damage over status anyway

[mossy juniper]

i need help

making Gyre build andd wanna subsume Volts Shock on her

[fierce lark]

i would still not run it, you're gonna want elec or heat statuses to help you kill bigger targets, and if you ever have to reload then you lose all your magnetic/corrosive/viral/heat stacks on something and the associated debuff

low -sd isn't that harmful but anything over like 60% i wouldn't touch

[remote acorn]

I see, I'm not really the best at building but I'll try to make sum work

[kind compass]

What are the best stats on a dual ichor incarnon riven?

[quiet laurel]

the usual, elec, as, r, cd

[kind compass]

imma be real i understood half of those shorthands

[quiet laurel]

electricity attack speed range crit dmg

[kind compass]

ty 👍

[night laurel]

first time i'm whipping Grendel into shape, is he a health tank? do i build for range, str, dur? i have the augments for his 1 and 4

[mighty flare]

yeah but you can just persistence gate now, you build for high range if you want to use his 4 augment
you dont need high strength, and positive duration is good

[night laurel]

thanks!

what improves his 4's damage, btw? as in, does it scale?

[mighty flare]

it scales with enemy health and strength, but much more with enemy health so you eat chunkier enemies

[night laurel]

i see, so I need to prioritize eating enemies with a higher max hp/armor?

[mighty flare]

yeah, the biggest health bars.
i should clarify that his 4 scales with CURRENT health, so holding enemies in your stomache for long or casting nourish before casting his 4 can drastically lowers its damage

[night laurel]

i see! thanks a lot

[brittle coral]

Anyone have verglas builds or can help me with mine, Im having some issues

[daring summit]

jeebus h christ. i am looking at investing in my smeeta as a primer for my nekros farming build and i knew they did a lot with beast companion weapons, but DAMN there are a lot of options

[cerulean portal]

Does anyone have build for ignis wraith? Please i need some🥹

[midnight horizon]

I have a Viral build for Verglas

[severe bough]

Viral heat best paired with fired up on companion

[hard dove]

Smeeta is a shit primer btw
If you want beast primer use panzer
Or use chesa kubrow for more loot

[daring summit]

i recognize the shit primer aspects. but i want the excess drops that only a smeeta can provide.

[hard dove]

Smeeta no longer does that besides for rare recource

[daring summit]

even though they even further nerfed their uniqueness in that with a new mod that might double all resource drops that all beasts can use

[hard dove]

Whatever loot ability smeeta does it's outdone by chesa

[daring summit]

yeah, i noticed, see above

[daring summit]

i'll look into it, except it makes me sad i wont be able to run around with Chairman Meow anymore. guess i'll have to name the kubrow Karl Barks

[hard dove]

Yeah they kinda butchered smeeta outside of super rare affinity blessing it gives

[daring summit]

[daring summit]

few things, i wanna make sure im not flubbing up the priming chesa too much. hows these claws looking? are the burning/chilling/w.e claws normally used? (im thinking no) and why did burning claws not absorb the mag and rad damages?

[fluid crest]

Any recommendation on what shard should i stab into grendel ?

[daring summit]

parkour velocity for even more meatballing? i dont know if that works, i dont play grendel.

[mighty flare]

pulverize doesnt scale off parkour

[velvet pulsar]

It's not a parkour roll

[velvet pulsar]

Imagine ball mode being able to proc circumvent or careen

[mighty flare]

if ur using persistence, you can use 1-2 armor shards to sit at 700
useful if ur going for Gastro and constantly expelling enemies

[fluid crest]

Hmmm yea that might be good, i though the gourmand mod is enought for the armor

The one that give armor depend on how many enemy in your stomach

[mighty flare]

gourmand still needs enemies to be there
holding enemies in for the armor buff can vastly lower gastros dmg

[coral crest]

You kind of want to eat and expunge immediately or you're losing a lot of damage

Occasionally nourish to force heal

[nova swift]

You could run gourmand to sometimes hit 1400+ armor to protect against heat procs or use hearty nourishment so 700 armor is good enough

[fierce lark]

if you're persistence tanking and focusing on gastro nuke do you even run gourmand?

i figure yes to still always be able to feast without energy

[mighty flare]

Ur just wasting slots, you need status immunity for more than heat so you should always use hearty nourishment

[nova swift]

That was the point I was trying to make yes

[mighty flare]

Not really no, you run into issue of being slot starved. Pretty useless augment

[glacial furnace]

I've found a really weird interaction with the heavy attack for sparring weapons and I'm not sure it's intended and I am just missing something or if it is a bug. Appreciate any input from anyone who might know anything about this and what might be causing it.

I was messing around with the Cudo Hirudo, trying to make use of the sparring move-set's heavy attack. I tried to determine if the AoE-part of the heavy attack is affected by crit chance modifiers (the heavy attack deals one instance that counts as a 500% dmg heavy and another one as a 400% dmg slam, the latter being a radial AoE).

First, I tried hitting a bunch of infested Chargers in the simulacrum with only the AoE from the heavy attack. It seems to be completely unable to critical strike at all. Even with a 102% crit chance it just does the normal amount of damage from a non-critical. Note that the 500% "heavy" damage instace does work as expected with the crit chance.

Here comes the part that confuses me - I tried making a jumping heavy-slam attack to see how that one interacts with crits. It did result in crits on every enemy hit (102% crit chance), perhaps, as expected. After that, suddenly all of my heavy-attack slams (the one from the sparring move set) also started dealing critical damage. I checked for any buffs, mods, archon shards, and other stuff that might interfere, but I was running a completely clean loadout except for the Coda Hirudo with the True Steel mod and the Brutal Tide stance.

It's almost as if the jumping slam "unlocks" the capability to crit for the heavy attack-initiated slam. This "switch" resets after making any loadout changes but is repeatable by doing a single aerial slam again. Tested using the Coda Hirudo and normal Hirudo, both in the simulacrum and in a mission. I am utterly confused.

[fierce lark]

can i see your mod setup?

[glacial furnace]

Absolutely. For the weapon?

[fierce lark]

yeah

[glacial furnace]

Also tried using Sacrificial Steel + Pressure to get the crit over 100%, but no additional mods.

[fierce lark]

diagnosing

yeah, checks out

it happens with baruuk's fist too so it's not exclusive to the stance mod or the hirudo

i have absolutely no explanation

[glacial furnace]

Fair enough LOL. Atleast then I know it's not just me being slow and missing some obvious detail.

[night laurel]

build doctor saryn..

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

[near crater]

No no I like it. I meant switching from and to the primary. I fell asleep my bad

But my question is: would Primary Crux be a good choice for the Felarx? Or shotgun vendetta instead (when I actually have a R5 god damn it)

[fierce lark]

crux is great if you prefer the incarnoff, helps keep it up

[near crater]

Damn so wtf was I doing, grinding kavat codes🫩

[fierce lark]

if you're actually using the incarnon i would still run deadhead

[near crater]

I noticed! Since Incarnon modes are never affected by Ammo Efficiency, it would be a good feedback towards the shotgun mode

[fierce lark]

vendetta is a meme

[near crater]

Fr? Why?

[fierce lark]

360% dmg and 30% reload
180% multishot and 75% reload

one requires you get kills

one requires you to go up the ass and then get a kill

[near crater]

Also a bonus, since I have the non-crit evolution and status over crit evolution. Element focused build. I have Corrosive+Blast with the help of a riven

[limber delta]

you can use crux and then pick one of the ammo efficiency evo 5's for a meme infiinite ammo build

[fierce lark]

it's pretty rare for non-melee engagements to naturally happen within 5m, so you're likely gonna be forcing yourself to kill things slower just to keep up vendetta

[near crater]

Ah makes sense

[limber delta]

primary deadhead or overcharge are better on a normal felarx though

[near crater]

In that case it would be good if the trigger range increases with the arcane Rank

[fierce lark]

and the reward is multishot, of which you get +230% from galv hell already, vs base damage, which usually comes at a value of 160-240% from savvy or 165% from ppb (in some cases both)

and you get half the multishot as you get damage from merciless/deadhead

[limber delta]

savvy is multiplicative on felarx i think so it's kinda different

[near crater]

This is what I have rn

[fierce lark]

is it?

[limber delta]

it is

[near crater]

Just placed 1 forma so I'm still leveling to 30 again

[limber delta]

just checked the wiki

[fierce lark]

yeah it is, that makes base dmg arcanes even better as savvy isn't adding to it

so ppb/arcanes are your only source of base dmg

that actually makes me want to switch off crux back to deadhead lol

[near crater]

I'll definitely try it out. Merciless AND deadhead.
But my goal wasn't exactly more damage, just uptime

[somber spoke]

what would be a good mod setup for mesa?

[fierce lark]

needing less bullets to kill things usually accomplishes this, granted felarx can take a basic mod setup and every attrition proc is going to fetus deletus regardless as long as there's some damage on it

plenty of people run primed tac pump or ammo stock

[fierce lark]

run something else instead of archon vitality im just too lazy to switch

[near crater]

I've done the same with my Catchmoon kitgun that has only 11 shots. I COULD do more damage with merciless or especially deadhead (since I have the headshot missile kitgun arcane) but it feels much smoother with Crux AND the stat chance more than makes up for it (my riven has decreased stat duration 😭)

[somber spoke]

how do you get mesa waltz

[near crater]

I do have P Tac Pump, will need to level and forma for it

[fierce lark]

steel meridian/red veil

[somber spoke]

ok im on red va

[fierce lark]

only do this if you really like the felarx, cause im pretty sure it's the only actual good shotgun that runs it

[somber spoke]

veil*

[near crater]

Rank 5?

[somber spoke]

not yet

[near crater]

I think I have enough standing for one Augment Mod. Hang on I'll come online and give it

[tawdry trail]

Arcane impetus with secondary encumber on the regulators, I was a nonbeliever at first but it's great