builds-discussion

[rose kayak]

well, if you get that molt augmented to 2 instead of one, and get 250 kills, you’ll have enough

[atomic talon]

im out of molt to augment

[rose kayak]

darn

[cold salmon]

u will need 267% range for 16 weapons, toss the rest into strength

[atomic talon]

Xaku too complicated...maybe ill just stick with calibanban

[gleaming oasis]

can I get a second opinion on this scyotid build?

[cold salmon]

also, just in case, are u using xaku's 3rd to armor strip the enemies?

[atomic talon]

probably not

[cold salmon]

that could be it, dont get intimidate by it, just use the gaze variant of his 3rd ability to armor strip while the stolen guns do the killing, keep ur 4th active at all times, u can forget about the other 2 variants of ur 3rd ability. If u wanna push further u can subsume off xata's whisper for something else, potentially roar, eckipse or anything u find interersting

[atomic talon]

Too complicated. brain hurt...

consider me intimidated by it

[karmic badger]

Warframe players when they have to press more than 2 buttons

[atomic talon]

im not good with cycled abilities!

i can handle 4 abilities. dats it

[cold salmon]

lmao, i get it actually, it does take some time to get use to. U can try messing around with inverted controls in the options menu, it let u change between tap or hold to cycle and cast the ability

[atomic talon]

i considered it but it'd screw up my muscle memory. until you can pick and choose where inverted gets applied i can't do it

[cold salmon]

and for xaku case, u dont have to deal with all 3 abilities for the cycle ability, just use Gaze, and forget about the other 2 cycle

[atomic talon]

i use Caliban and imma wind up summoning a buncha nonsense if i invert now

[cold salmon]

u need not worry about that, u can invert control by frame, it will nt affect ur caliban abilitis

[atomic talon]

do i need augment to make gaze armor strip? kinda just felt like it was...a dumb ability? hold one enemy still

[cold salmon]

no augment needed, u lock an enemy down, and it armor strip all enemies within a giant radius near the locked enemy

[atomic talon]

last time i used gaze I ended up delaying a defense because i didn't know

people were judging me

[regal laurel]

This good Titania?

[regal laurel]

Yeaaaaaaa mb

[twilit crest]

💀

Ion play titania but it do look good

[granite ginkgo]

aight that funny

[regal laurel]

Ty, sorry for the mess tho lol, was at my kids living room this morning, wife asleep -_-

[granite ginkgo]

u share the link build uh

[atomic talon]

anyway joking aside. you can probably drop flow for blind rage

in today's warframe you don't really need effiency

especially because you have equilbrium

[oak pumice]

Does the innodem have good riven dispo if not, what does I’m new to rivens

[atomic talon]

anything old or unused will have high disposition

[granite ginkgo]

innodem is pretty popular melee dagger since it incarnon

[atomic talon]

dispos is at the bottom. more dots is better

innodem has bad disposition and likely will be bad for some time

because it's an incarnon

[oak pumice]

Oooooo I didn’t know I could view that thank you

[granite ginkgo]

u want to look for genesis incarnon, this have static non-change riven dispo since release

[oak pumice]

The best I got is the skiajati

[granite ginkgo]

what ur titania playstyle?
there is 3 playstyle playin titania

1. Archon build, build around the archon vitality(double heat proc) + arcane hotshot or archon cont. (tox convert to corro) + archon shard emerald
   . her build around 4th skill and her exalted pistol

2. Subsume, change her 3rd skill with gauss subsume - allow heat proc aoe easily

3. is gold hand subsume, which u use for medalion

[granite ginkgo]

Syam > Skiajati

if u want to start be riven seller better u start learn this https://www.warframe.com/stats

[coral plank]

How many ability strength do I need again for the Roar Reap and Sow nuke?

[novel bear]

255

[coral plank]

Alright

Then is one Tauforged Equilibrium Enough for this?

[atomic talon]

what subsumes can i put on Uriel to increase parkour speed

i need the fastest uriel in existence

[karmic badger]

Holy hek omni formas

[coral plank]

Yes; Omni Formas

[karmic badger]

I think infested mobility?

[leaden thistle]

Are you relying on Molt Augmented to make up the 40% damage? Can always put on Blind Rage if you got it

[karmic badger]

Also 9 omni forma and stills only 6 capacity left over lmao

[atomic talon]

what should I replace....

[coral plank]

Brimstone

[cold salmon]

i think it scales with sprint speed? not parkour velocity, aside from infested mobility, there's also okina incarnon which gives sprint speed

[wicked vortex]

is there a reason to use any intensify other than umbral on khora prime? just trying to think if it'd be worth it to spend an umbral forma on her

[coral plank]

Always having Energy issues so I dont know

[karmic badger]

No it's velocity, gauss scales with sprint

[atomic talon]

its parkour speed

[coral plank]

It scales with parkour

[midnight horizon]

I forgot the build I once have.... But It was able to travel like a Missile

[cold salmon]

ahh, yea mb, just took a quick detour to the wiki

[karmic badger]

Duplex bond on a companion, they'll generate energy orbs

Also maybe carry the grimoire if you have tome mods

[coral plank]

Im spamming it hard so I dont think they can kill fast enough before I blow up the place

I do have Khra Canticle now

There's also the issue of starting energy, so I cant setup fast enough or else I panic

[karmic badger]

Void sling through enemies

[celest thicket]

my predasite is basically a walking covid

[karmic badger]

Should probably tweak it to corrosive heat?

Or viral heat

Blast only lasts 1.5 seconds, so it won't help for priming

[celest thicket]

I sadly dont have the toxin 6060 mod for claws

Its the only one i lack

[karmic badger]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[leaden thistle]

Look for the mod Preparation. Gives you all the starting energy you need + it's Exilus

[coral plank]

Ill try it

[karmic badger]

60/60 mods are a nightmare to collect, thank clem i got all of em already

[karmic badger]

You'll get 10 energy per enemy you void sling through

Yeah preparation is good too

[celest thicket]

Yeah im almost buying it, 20p seems cheap when you spend 3 hours in fortuna

[karmic badger]

You'll hate the electric one, unless you already bought it from baro

[leaden thistle]

This is a super dirty build but this is the idea I had. Physique can also be used to boost health for Bellicose's ability strength

[finite lintel]

Anyone know a good torid build

[gleaming oasis]

I got one its a lot of forma tho

[leaden thistle]

lmao the way I hear talk about Torid is that if you have Torid, you have a good build :V

[finite lintel]

I might have some

[celest thicket]

I actually got that one when farming from toroids

[karmic badger]

Generic viral heat rifle build

Or corrosive blast if you're feeling weird

[finite lintel]

I dont know what that would look like

[celest thicket]

Super lucky drop, i went to check and its like a 0,03% drop chance

[gleaming oasis]

I dont have hammer shot but I'm working on it

[coral plank]

Gotta fasten the charge of my Grimoire now

[gleaming oasis]

use like maybe sure shot in mean time

[celest thicket]

Hammer shot is nice but if you dont have it you can use a 6060 mod in its place

[finite lintel]

I don't have that many mods

[karmic badger]

Galv chamber, galv aptitude, crit delay, vital sense, toxin & cold 60/60, 90% heat, and uhhh last slot for like, hammer shot or a riven

[finite lintel]

Ok I will try it out

Does anyone know a good endo farm so I can level up my mods

[karmic badger]

Railjack, zariman/sanctum/1999 bounties

Nightcap bounties

Melt down spare mods

[gleaming oasis]

some bounties are good but apparently you can farm the techrot parazon mods and just transmaute them for endo

[finite lintel]

So should I do 1999 bounties

[karmic badger]

Not the antivirus iirc

[finite lintel]

Does it help to have a resource boost

[karmic badger]

Used to be able to, those were 1k endo

[karmic badger]

Endo falls under mod drop boosters

[finite lintel]

Oh ok

Should I do it on steal path

[leaden thistle]

Arbitrations are decent endo, both in drop and ayatan treasures
1999 Bounties can drop 3300 and 4200 packs if you get them on the high tier bounties
Melt your duplicate mods for endo
Do Maroo's weekly for a guaranteed random Ayatan Treasure and sell those to her after socketing the stars

[finite lintel]

Ok

[coral plank]

Here's my companion

[leaden thistle]

Order for these is AABBCCCCCC.... so on the 5th+ round you have a 33% chance for 1500 Endo, and a 20% chance for an Orta which sells for 2700 at Maroo when filled with stars

[coral plank]

Synth Deconstruct
Duplex Bond
Khra Canticle
Tauforged Equilibrium

Seismic Bond +30 Efficiency
Netra Invocation +60 Efficiency
Arcane Impetus More then 6 or 10 Efficiency if I get lucky

I realised, the Grimoire fits Sevagoth's nuclear caster build

[gleaming oasis]

anybody got any experience with the scyotid?

[lofty marsh]

Is this a good build for Oberon Prime? I'm also thinking of adding Archon shards if anyone has any advice on which ones to add

[gleaming oasis]

If you dont have the coalescent segment then I think crimson shards should be fine to invest ability strength but if you do I think topaz shards work best since it will increase ability strength with enemies with radiation stacks which oberon can do with ease

actually that may be too much as its the same buff

why the topaz is not higher than 15% buff is beyond me so probably crimson for strength

[wicked thicket]

Is this the channel to ask about rivens?

[lofty marsh]

I'll probably go crimson until I get the segment then, thanks!

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[gleaming oasis]

Can I get some help polishing this build?

[fierce lark]

it's not ability strength, it's just % damage

[gleaming oasis]

yeah ability damage

[fierce lark]

the green/orange/purple shards % ability damage to affected enemies doesn't stack with anything else in the game currently

it's a separate multiplier

that's why it's not higher than 15%

[gleaming oasis]

that makes sense

you got any scyotid experience? Cause I'm starting to get the feeling that no one does at this point

[fierce lark]

a little

[broken citrus]

https://overframe.gg/build/234877/ is it alright for me to substitute primed shred for vile acceleration

i dont have primed shred

is the -15% damage gonna ruin it

or should i get regular shred

[mighty flare]

no

[midnight horizon]

It's not AABC? SHT!

[gleaming oasis]

wacha got then

[fierce lark]

nothing tbh

it has a multishot mod and viral, nothing else

didn't potato it or anything, just used it a bit when it was new for glaive grouping

[old marsh]

nah. there is a reason people prefer to stay in Arbis for hours

but i prefer to extract in under 1 coz i like the loot more than i like endo.

also i have a strict NAT making it very dicey to randomly just disconnect from other players and u really dont want a host migration in the middle of arbi chaos.

[coral plank]

Damn, we need more Ability efficiency and range upgrades

[fierce lark]

while there's not a lot of ways to directly affect efficiency, energy economy kinda doubles as another source of it

and range is the only stat that could have weird gameplay implications

they might not want there to be enough range to where stuff actually starts getting spawnkilled

[old marsh]

imo what we really need is a way to further improve Affinity Radius without the need for Vazarin. make it Waybound

[late hemlock]

I don't know how relevant that is for most content i feel like 50m is really generous

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

also frames like Ember improve with it. have to use Vazarin with her

[cold salmon]

let me nuke the entire poe with banshee's quake

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[severe bough]

Either u use it as utility or build viral elc

[midnight horizon]

Fck I did it wrongly this whole time????? BRUHHHHHH

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-its-okay-pet-gif-10242949

we all made countless mistakes in WF

[midnight horizon]

XDD bruh I should've consider to stay longer in the Arbis Golly!

[latent latch]

What mods should I use for a uriel gun platform?

[midnight horizon]

Heat guns

Ignis wraith would be good

But I use Viral Heat on Torid when using Uriel

[latent latch]

I'm also using torid and I thought a good way to use uriel would be as a gun platform

[midnight horizon]

Hot shot for Torid

Well I wouldn't recommend Torid in all guns

I would say Burston Incarnon too

Burston is Heat so he can be good

[latent latch]

Okay but how should I use uriel then?

[midnight horizon]

Go apeshit

Be angry

1 is Heat aura
2 is heal and invincibility
3 is... More heat
4 is DOMAIN expansion

[midnight horizon]

^

[latent latch]

Okay I understand but how should I build him?

I still would like to know how to build him

[midnight horizon]

Do whatever, I have a build of Strength and Range, but I use all Range, and sometimes of Duration

[midnight horizon]

Uriel is very easy to build, like... Build whatever and he will still kill everyone and everything in an instant

He procs so much heat that it doesn't really matter

[fierce lark]

opinion me is max range (265/280), anywhere from 100-200% strength (including molt augmented) and the rest into duration with room for pflow and archon vitality

[bold estuary]

I went with a high range medium duration and high strength setup Uriel’s really weird to build since his kits kinda clashing with itself

[fierce lark]

arcanes hotshot/augmented and concentration

[bold estuary]

The summon arcane is also a good option for him

[fierce lark]

clashing? how so? everything kinda feeds into everything

[bold estuary]

His four being on a timers weird his demons having passives that don’t scale with stats makes things a little awkward he just doesn’t really do anything super extraordinary except his ult and that’s like 30-40 seconds of cooldown I just don’t care for him honestly

I’d rather play something else he’s nice for speed missions though I have 5 tau yellows on him

[fierce lark]

all of the passives scale with strength, his 3 buff scales with duration, and im pretty sure the range at which gulphagor can mark enemies does scale with his ability range

and he happens to have an extremely strong weapon buff in his 3 passive that 4 being on a charge-based cooldown isn’t overly hindering, you can press 3 at and shoot things with pretty heavy output

and then brimstone itself is one of the most devastating nukes in the game, so it feels worth waiting for

all of that + a mobility tool and a healing tool, everything meshes pretty well

[bold estuary]

Id rather just play nezha and do what his four does every 50 seconds whenever I want and for much more damage

[midnight horizon]

Brimstone makes you sooooo angrt

[karmic badger]

The minions don't scale if you subsume the ability they're tied to

[bold estuary]

Not hating on the frame though he’s good I just don’t mesh with him personally

[midnight horizon]

Same, I might Subsume Uriel too and give it to Vauban hahahha

I'm giving everything to Vauban hahahahah

[bold estuary]

I like intention with my frames and Uriel makes me feel like I’m using my abilities off cooldown to charge the four🤷‍♂️ I just ont like it

[midnight horizon]

Yeah it is what it is for Uriel

[bold estuary]

This is not warframe general I was chatting like it was general mb

[midnight horizon]

It's good, it be like that sometimes hahahah

[latent latch]

So I should make the ability strength more

[fierce lark]

this is basically general 2

[fierce lark]

overextended should be somewhere if you care at all what your brimstone does, ideally over augur mess

[midnight horizon]

You can basically remove Durstion if you want and add on Range or Damage

[fierce lark]

expertise is not helpful, you aren’t building that much strength anyways and uriel is not a good shield tank

[quartz pumice]

Companion rec for temple?

[fierce lark]

🤔

probably panzer

[velvet pulsar]

Raksa kubrow would be nice

[midnight horizon]

A Panzer

Or a Sentinel that can prime Viral

[velvet pulsar]

You want damage or survivability?

[fierce lark]

i prefer greedy temple with very little survivability and relying on backbeat 3 + killing first

so panzer/raksa/wyrm are all fitting

[velvet pulsar]

Greedy Pull temple?

[fierce lark]

no greedy as in no survivability

[sudden storm]

ok i just discovered the Elytron has a bloody nuke for a 4th and now i wanna make it boom for more than just a few hundred damage

[midnight horizon]

That's a thing?

[midnight horizon]

Elytron?

[sudden storm]

archwing

[fierce lark]

run mods that don’t help you survive, no shield gating, no expertise, kill things first or backbeat ripper’s wail for like 7s of immunity

[velvet pulsar]

Although Greedy Pull temple could be a good build nonetheless.

[bold estuary]

Blind rage should also definitely be somewhere here Uriel has built in energy sustain he can run neg effic fine

[midnight horizon]

Oh

[velvet pulsar]

Coz pull is ragdoll grouping and will synergize with Pyrotechnics

[fierce lark]

id show build but im making food

[velvet pulsar]

You're cooking so u can't show what u cooked.

[bold estuary]

I’d put blind rage over augur message and over extended over augur reach maybe? He has a built in full shield regen so he doesn’t need shield gate mods

[sudden storm]

wait are there archwing strength mods? or have i just never gotten one to drop in all my flights?

[fierce lark]

there is one but i forgor what called

lmao wtf there's actually a primed version of it too

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Morphic_Transformer

[sudden storm]

huh, and rly only 20% for the standard? is primed like 30 or 50%

[fierce lark]

55

[fierce lark]

greedy temple

[midnight horizon]

Guess Vauban cannot have a Greedy build, he is quite squishy hahahaah

What would happen if I put STEEL fiber and 1 blue shard on Vauban?

Would that increase his survivability?

[fierce lark]

i have no idea ive never played him

[hollow mantle]

Do... Ash's clones still use his equipped Melee weapon? I thought his exalted was modded for that? I'm getting told to use the Karyst Prime as well?

[midnight horizon]

Nah it's nodded yes but he never equipped it like a Weapon really that he can swing around

That's how I can explain it

[hollow mantle]

So I do need a separate weapon modded for his shadow clones.?

[valid cargo]

Is this good?

[fierce lark]

no, you mod the shadow clones directly

whatever you're reading is probably outdated

[hollow mantle]

Ive been told twice tonight that I need to mod my melee weapon too

Was very confused

[late hemlock]

You need to mod the exalted melee

[lavish orbit]

No, shadow clone is his own weapon since march 2025 exalted rework

[fierce lark]

yeah idk who said that or why but shadow clones are their own moddable weapon and the damage will build exclusively off of that

been that way for the last year

[hollow mantle]

Yeah I have him modded for Lvl Cap, Saryn sorted it, Idk why people keep telling me old info

Ty Saryn, my goat

[lavish orbit]

MAYBE mod a dagger for his teleport so it has the fastest killing animation

[hollow mantle]

God using a polearm on him is abysmal

[cold salmon]

If we are takling about strictly tanking, it might actually be feasible, bastille can provide up to 1000armor, with steel fiber and a blue tauforged u will be hitting ~1700 armor which is around 85% DR, with adaptation u will be quite tanky.

[midnight horizon]

Ooooooooo

[midnight horizon]

Tasty

[cold salmon]

tho it will probably be less effort if we go for shieldgating since vauban is already such an ability spamming frame 🤔

but i heard the new rework will be increasing the armor cap from bastille, not too sure what the new cap is going to be, depends on what DE does, vauban might actually be a pretty good health tanking frame

[midnight horizon]

Oh and BTW.... I have Omamori on Vaubs, added survivability

I'm making it to the max

I wanna make Vauban as invincible as he is

[late hemlock]

Bastille is going to give even more armor post rework

They didn't say how much but they said its going up

[midnight horizon]

Just to fit his frame and model

[midnight horizon]

Oh

Nice

[lavish orbit]

^

[late hemlock]

Vauban eats off really hard from nourish that would be my recommendation

Buffs his flechette and vauban really needs any energy source he can get

[midnight horizon]

I have a nourish build for him but my constant worry for Survivability and Urge to make him as invincible as his frame and model always win

[late hemlock]

You always spam flechette so an augur mod makes him tanky by default, and he has bastille for huge cc

Survivability never been an issue personally

[midnight horizon]

Yes I know that, what im saying is his bulkiness and model as a frame...he is too squishy for that model... So to fit the Thematics I want to make him as Tanky as shit hahahahaha

[queen sandal]

#1429852785251455016

[chrome plinth]

any recommendation for Iron staff prime build?

[midnight horizon]

Just do Slam build, like... Get mods for Slamming

Search Google for it

[lavish orbit]

Basic crab sweat

Maybe not optimized but it works for me

[fierce lark]

pretty much the same, drop fury for ele and run arcane strike if you have it

[sick ermine]

my valkyr build. Just put it up on overframe. It's so fun. She is nigh unkillable

Probably gonna swap out Constitution for Primed Flow, get her energy above 500 and start trying to get Purple Shards for her

[woven lynx]

can anyone give me best arcanes on operator for every situation? appreciate it

[fierce lark]

have you considered arcane battery?

[wide plinth]

+red, red, blue, yellow archon shard

[plain drum]

consider using blind rage + equilibrium

and where yo flow mod at

[plain drum]

once you forma ofc

[indigo oriole]

Anyone here a nova player?

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[indigo oriole]

So for her 4th, to cain the explosions i have to use a blast weapon right?

[velvet pulsar]

Nope

Any would work.

[indigo oriole]

Then how can I nuke with her. I have the augment but doesn't seem to chain those explosions

[formal saddle]

I need to make ash and their shadow clone primes op what should i do 👀🙏(and vincubus however you spell it)

Uriels weapon ^

[midnight horizon]

Focus ON finisher damage

That would crank it up

[formal saddle]

Mod pigments?

[midnight horizon]

Pigments?

[inner crane]

Why does the sarofang do 200 to 500k on a light attack but niras whip with the same mods which shows a higher status chance and critical chance only do like 10 to 20k damage per hit with the same mod setup? What am I missing? Damage is uncombo'd and the stance damages are similar enough that it cant account for such disparity. The whip shows as doing more damage overall with the better critical chance and higher crit multiplier.

[midnight horizon]

Wait wait.... Let me understand this

So Sarofang do 500k Criticals? While Niras Whip, despite having the same mod, shows little Crit damage 50k, but still do more damage?

Am i on the right page on this?

[formal saddle]

What shalleth thy use for such power

[inner crane]

This is the issue im facing.

[midnight horizon]

Ah! Well.... Wait imma send you my build instead

[inner crane]

The stats page on the modded weapon implies the whip should be doing more damage if not incredibly similar.

[formal saddle]

Preciate you but i bet i dont have the mods lmao

[midnight horizon]

Ahh well... Shi, I have a Weapon that does 10k red Crits but does millions of status damage hahahahah that would be my Xoris

[random prawn]

Is Ophanim eyes on Vauban Prime overkill?

[inner crane]

I mean the sarofang with my build does 20 mil damage on heavy attacks with 5x combo But the whip is doing like 1.5 mil. Same mods, better stats. I don't understand.

[midnight horizon]

Basically you need Covert Lethality and Finishing.... Stuff there

[midnight horizon]

You don't have to understand tbh

It's clear to see

Not base on damage but performance. They were able to do More just because, no explaination needed

[formal saddle]

I have everything except galvanized steel spoiled strike and covert

[midnight horizon]

Do you have wrathful advance?

[formal saddle]

Lemme look and ill be back to lyk

[formal saddle]

Nope 🙏😭🙏😭

[midnight horizon]

It's not a mod, it's a subsume

[midnight horizon]

You put that to your warframe ability

[formal saddle]

As in helminth right?

[midnight horizon]

Yeah

And base on your build, you got it down as a beginner

[formal saddle]

Dont have helminth yet im working on it tho

[pallid quiver]

Which frames subsume is that

[midnight horizon]

Few tips: Ash doesn't need redirection, his invisible is his Survivability

[midnight horizon]

Kullervo in DUVIRI experience

[formal saddle]

What should i change?

[pallid quiver]

Augh

[midnight horizon]

I know it's a bum hahahahahah

[pallid quiver]

Farming 2 kullervos sounds like hell

How do I even get kullervo mats

I’ve like none

[midnight horizon]

Oh I don't even use Kullervo, I just get him just to subsume him hahahahah same with Uriel

[midnight horizon]

Just play Duviri tbh

[pallid quiver]

I intend to have at least one of each frame to use

[pallid quiver]

I have been 😭

[midnight horizon]

Well.... That's a lot of work, give me a minute to study your build

[midnight horizon]

Keep playing

[pallid quiver]

Sob

ATP I may get oraxia before kullervo

[formal saddle]

(Im mr8 btw so that should give the gist of it most likely)

[midnight horizon]

No fret, it'll work

[midnight horizon]

Most importantly are you in steel path?

[formal saddle]

[midnight horizon]

No it's ok, are you or not?

[formal saddle]

Dunno how to initiate it

[midnight horizon]

Don't worry, you'll get there, the importance is your build is fine for now

How many forma it is?

How many forma did you spend on your Ash? If it's 1 it's totally fine

[midnight horizon]

Basically Steel Path will be opened if you finished all of the planets in the base star chart

[formal saddle]

Zero currently since i forma 4 my nataruk bow

[midnight horizon]

Good choice

I would remove Theif Wit and Umbra Intensify for the normal Intensify tho and replace

And with the spare space, do power drift, that 30% resistance to knockdown is important for you

[midnight horizon]

If you have questions and pinged me... I may be sleeping hhahah

Gn gang

[nocturne heron]

why is my zaw dammage so low?

using on kullervo and i dont get numbers higher than 2 mil

my base m1s do more dammage than contagion

[quiet laurel]

if you arent capping why influence

[severe bough]

Influence zaws in 2026

[valid cargo]

Is this good?

[nocturne heron]

cuz uhm the only melee arcane i have and good aoe BUT STILL why is my dammage lower than on FREAKIN OKINA INCARNON

meanwhile i do negative numbers on syam

[night laurel]

whats so good about the dragon nikana vs other nikanas like, say, a zaw?

[nocturne heron]

its a worse version of prime nikana as far as im concerned

looks dope tho

[night laurel]

ah, neat

and skiajati is like the middling cousin with a cool gimmick?

[quiet laurel]

are you priming on zaw

[nocturne heron]

yeah but my base m1s are up to 20 mil actually with combo multi but the arcane still only like 4 max

[quiet laurel]

I mean you are using 2 status mods, which dont do a lot for zaw, and primed rech which doesnt do anything

3 wasted slots for damage

do you have melee exposure

[nocturne heron]

only stage 1

still why do my base m1s have more dammage than the exodia

[quiet laurel]

like mk1 bo and shit?

[nocturne heron]

wha

[quiet laurel]

wdym with m1s

[nocturne heron]

no no my base attacks (just pressing e) have more dammage than the exodia

[quiet laurel]

can you show me footage of that

[nocturne heron]

decent stats and looks cool but idk what else

[nocturne heron]

dont have means to record

[quiet laurel]

thing is exodia has 2 things that make it scale insanely high

which is eclipse and priming

light attack can be influenced by quite a lot

[nocturne heron]

yeah but it shouldnt be that my exodia dammage is super low while my m1s are good

[quiet laurel]

is wrathful considered a dmg buffing ability in the code

[nocturne heron]

increases crit chance by a ton

[quiet laurel]

I know

but is it a dmg buffing ability like roar and eclipse

or does it work like nourish

and toxic lash

[nocturne heron]

idk what u mean

[quiet laurel]

too much ig

[nocturne heron]

nourish is applying a status effect and wrathful increases crit chance by a ton

ig like roar then

[quiet laurel]

but if you are wondering why exodia dmg is so much lower its likely cause you wasted 3 mod slots which could have gone for the raw dmg and a wasted arcane slot

you said you were priming yes?

[nocturne heron]

y e s

[quiet laurel]

are you priming a lot of status or just viral

[nocturne heron]

basicly all of e m

[quiet laurel]

are you hitting the enemy directly with the zaw projectile

when the enemy is primed

[nocturne heron]

yes im missing out on some dammage but that shouldnt make the diffirence from crazy dammage cap to barely enough to kill them

[nocturne heron]

y e s

[quiet laurel]

ight I'll show how much dmg it does when the mod slots are used well

[nocturne heron]

only using 2 status mods btw (voltaic strike and galv elementalist)

[quiet laurel]

weeping

[nocturne heron]

oh yeah i updated

20mil base attacks but only 6 mil exodia (with direct hit)

[rain bay]

Does anyone have a build for a vasca kavat?

[quiet laurel]

ig its just lack of eclipse

[nocturne heron]

no way eclipse makes such a diffirence

im using roar atm

[quiet laurel]

its double dipping on it

meaning the eclipse value appears twice in the dmg calculation multiplicatively

This is for voruna but should also work on kullervo

[nocturne heron]

yes so from 4 mil (cuz minus roar) to 10 mil

[quiet laurel]

now ig you would run galv steel instead of glad might

[nocturne heron]

why base organ shatter? and why fever strike?

[quiet laurel]

fever strike cause of raw dmg

base organ shatter cause it has higher crit dmg value over amalgam

[nova swift]

considering you arent using duplicate you could run galvanized steel for more crit damage (120% at max stacks vs organ shatter). Would be another forma tho

[quiet laurel]

fr

[nova swift]

oh yea I cant read ;D

[nocturne heron]

direct hit with priming still only 20 mil dammage (the same as base attacks)

[flint mesa]

running blast corro, should i run something else instead of jolt?

i was initially running magnetic might cuz the guy i took the build from was running that

i got green shard on titania for corrosive stack so put on jolt to get corrosive, should i instead be leaving it as toxin?

[hard dove]

Blast tox and use archon continuity for corro stack
Replace jolt with elementalist

[dawn thistle]

Anyone able to send me some noko builds for steal path

[indigo oriole]

Also using xatas wisper subsume. It works wonders on titania

[flint mesa]

doing that

[severe bough]

Focus range then str and duration ideally replace his 1 with roar use any invisi comp ( shade or huras )

[wheat bone]

How could I make this even better

I plan to max my arcane but I made this build for defense missions

And the xoris build I run with it

[nocturne heron]

too many status effects on xoris, just use electricity

so you can run stuff like galv steel, reflex, and the other combo count thing

what does focus radon do ?

[wheat bone]

I run it with kullervo so I didn’t really consider running galv steel

[nocturne heron]

it gives crit dammage tho

[wheat bone]

It gives radiation and heavy attack eff

[nocturne heron]

kinda useless

[wheat bone]

Didn’t think abt that since I was focused on the main thing but that makes snese

[wheat bone]

I started to feel that way a little bit since I couldn’t fee a difference when I threw it

[nocturne heron]

also you NEED volatile quick return

[wheat bone]

I don’t think I have it

[nocturne heron]

well its what makes glaives insane

big boom

[wheat bone]

I was looking things like that up and I was starting to think abt it

But idk where to farm it

[nocturne heron]

id trade for it
also here is my build

or just look at the wiki where to get it

[wheat bone]

I got you

I’ll do that when I get home I’m at college rn

[nocturne heron]

what does archon continuity do?

[nocturne heron]

this should have (once fully upgraded) a permanent x5 or x6 combo multi

[wheat bone]

Adds corrosive to toxin status effects

[nocturne heron]

ah that might be nice

[wheat bone]

Yee

It adds that since I have limited strength with the build

[late hemlock]

Overload isnt really doing much for you, not like you need to prime for glaives

Just use pressure point / killing blow

[wheat bone]

I run this as well

I forgot to swap out my crit mods ngl

I was experimenting and just noticed

[late hemlock]

Change irradiate for enervate

[nocturne heron]

yeah its not needed (i just put it cuz habit and i have priming diriga)

[wheat bone]

That’s what I was experimenting with and forgot to swap it back

[wheat bone]

I was running shade for priming

[late hemlock]

Enervate is the best thing you can put on it by a metric ton its no contest

[wheat bone]

But while build testing I wasn’t running a sentinel or companion

[wheat bone]

Yee forgot to put it back while testing

I think shade is a better primer than nautilus ngl

[nocturne heron]

do you happen to by some random chance know about zaw building?? (mod wise)

[late hemlock]

Never bothered to make a single zaw

[nocturne heron]

f

my dammage is just super low and i dont get why

[abstract axle]

on zaws? it because they are bad

they are a weapon from a different time, and now only exist to abuse contagion

[timid dust]

help? 😭

[abstract axle]

did you put arcane persistence on?

[timid dust]

...

yes...

[late hemlock]

No way this wasn't on purpose

[abstract axle]

or maybe you mix up your arcanes and grab persistence instead of expertise

[deep grotto]

CO doesn’t work on glaives

[wheat bone]

That’s good to know

Although it’s confusing why it wouldn’t

[ruby cloud]

I turned this into a fast burst damage is it okay?

I’m using the 15/15 since I already do red crits ect

[deep grotto]

It specifically doesn’t work on the explosion

So
If you for some reason never want to throw your glaive and blow it up, CO is fine

Although tbh all you need is triple P, Organ Shatter, and galvanized Elementalist and steel

[near vortex]

I have my Falcor modded for Blast

Don't need PPP when I got Rift Torrent

[nocturne heron]

how do i build uriel and burston?

[wise kettle]

What should I go for when doing the torid/toxocyst incarnon upgrades?

[fierce kayak]

can someone give me actual build for Torid incarnon?
PLS🫣

[inner crane]

Why does the sarofang cut through enemies like butter but with the exact same build on the Verdilac with generally better base stats am I doing maybe 5 to 10% of the damage of the sarofang? What hidden mechanic am I missing thats gimping my damage so badly despite better base stats?

[trim hill]

Maybe the stance mod you are using has better damage multipliers/forced status proccs. Stances aren't just a moveset - different stances (even on the same melee type) can have drastically different traits.

Also, just because you slot the same mods on each melee doesn't mean that those are the best to slot for that specific weapon. Different melee weapons will excel at different things, so if you compare builds between different melees with different mechanics that use different stances, etc etc... You will probably end up further than closer in performance if you aren't modding specifically for that weapon's strengths

[inner crane]

The raw numbers say the verdilac should be better but even with the same stance damage multipliers the damage overall is drastically reduced. 250 to 500k damage on a light attack with sarofang yet the verdilac is getting 8k to 25k and sometimes even lower. I don't think the stances are the explaination here.

For reference I'm building a voruna crit build

[trim hill]

Can you post your builds? Warframe has a lot of moving parts, it could be any number of reasons

[inner crane]

At work atm but this is my sarofang

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/330439105299087361/1468461244435398688/image.png?ex=6984c35b&is=698371db&hm=cfaa2458d36d13eebcf8c39e12913e53a2a1901272dfa7fe32b938f1ee437983&

Replace the riven with a regular heat mod. This is just a picture I had saved haha

Obviously build was still a wip. Don't even have level 2 arcanes hahahaha

I was using viper strikes on the whip

[trim hill]

Viper strikes as in the stance? Coiling Viper?

[inner crane]

Ye

I know the damage is lower overall but I thought the extra critical would carry it

Its like 10% the damage of the sarofang. Doesn't add up in my head

[trim hill]

First thing I'd note is that Coiling Viper has much lower damage multipliers per swing compared to Cleaving Whirlwind.

Most are 200-300%, where many of Whirlwind's combos (except for forward combo) are 300-400% and even 500% on the forward block and block combos

As for heavy attacks, whips have 450% and forced slash (no matter the whip's damage types) where heavy blades have 600% with lift and knockdown guarantee

Without looking at anything else on your loadout, these two stances alone make a pretty big difference, even though the weapons have almost comparable baseline stats

If you want to make your light attacks more consistently strong for whips, I'd recommend Burning Wasp. The standing and both blocking combos all have 300% mults on every attack. Forward combo is the only one that has 100-200%

[fierce lark]

not that the stance ever actually matters that much, but coiling viper is better

[narrow granite]

what should I take out ro add loyal retriever? x.x

[deep grotto]

Depends

Do you want it to be a lootdog?

[narrow granite]

its a buff dmg cat

thinkin medi petkit is best option

[deep grotto]

Oh then nah
Use that on dog that loots

[narrow granite]

I haven't used a kubrow since I maxed them to 30 xD

[fair swan]

Anyone got a jade build?

[white lodge]

What status on a ranged weapon is the best currently? Heat, slash, cold, toxic? Like not combined

[narrow granite]

heat

[white lodge]

Roger

[nocturne heron]

so arcane hot shot gives crit chance to my weapons when i apply heat?

[narrow granite]

yep, is good for uriel ember

or protea

[nocturne heron]

well time to farm plat then, i want my burston triple red crits

[west radish]

best primary general for levelcap mr 10

[nocturne heron]

why would u lvl cap at mr 10?!?!

Get furis tho (its a secondary but insane damage)

[late hemlock]

you dont really need to levelcap at any mr so i guess its more of a thing people do for fun?

[west radish]

noo

i got it incarnon i hella dont like it

[west radish]

literally

games too easy

[nocturne heron]

idk if burston does enough dammage but its nice

[nocturne heron]

Done eta already? its not super hard but gonna cook you at first

Tried to solo eidolon hunt? or profit taker?

[west radish]

yeah it was slightly annoying tho

[late hemlock]

you can get by with a lot of things it just depends a lot on everything else in your setup

[west radish]

both

[nocturne heron]

how are you only mr 10

[west radish]

profit taker so much harder its not even same level

[late hemlock]

these 2 are super powercrept so i wouldnt call them a challenge tbf

[west radish]

it means nothing i have like 6 frames maybe

[nocturne heron]

yeah but for new players

[west radish]

non prime version?

[nocturne heron]

same but im 14 and just barely unlocked eta (tbf i was late grinding standing)

[late hemlock]

he could just be using the same weapons and frames over and over for 1000 hours for all i know lol

[nocturne heron]

prime plus incarnon

[nocturne heron]

lol maybe

[west radish]

its mr 14

[nocturne heron]

burston isnt mr 14

[west radish]

im building like 5 frames now and 10 wepaons

[late hemlock]

generally the incarnon adapter "kind of" levels the playing field

i wouldnt use it on the normal when prime is pretty accesible but you can?

[west radish]

will rank up a little but damn

too lazy for that fr

[nocturne heron]

how much playtime u got?

[west radish]

on steam or

[nocturne heron]

ingame

steam doesnt rlly mean anything cause i know i sit in orbiter for hours to fashion frame or just afk

[west radish]

like over 100 now easlyu

ive been like since christmas

or a little before

[nocturne heron]

check in settings

i mean profile

[west radish]

hold on i swapped polarities on config C and it messed up all of the configs

thats chungus

let me swap polarities difgfrently on diffrent configs

[nocturne heron]

what

[west radish]

like

exactly what i said

[nocturne heron]

check the exact numba pls 🙏

im very invested

[fierce lark]

why don't you like furis

[west radish]

one sec

[nocturne heron]

i get it... no punch through, short range beam

[west radish]

and not much ammo too its jutt honestly

MID compraed to ocucor for example

[fierce lark]

what

[west radish]

i said what i said

judge me

[nocturne heron]

You clearly didnt play the game...

[late hemlock]

You are trying to levelcap and you are comparing furis to ocucor?

[fierce lark]

you're entitled to your opinion no matter how wildly out there it is, but calling furis "mid compared to ocucor" is just incorrect on so many levels it hurts

[west radish]

well maybe my build wasnt finsihed

bujt idk man its just doesnt clock for me

[fierce lark]

im not sure your build is even started, do you actually have the furis incarnon adapter or are you just saying stuff?

[west radish]

bro... not nice

[tawdry trail]

they're for different things no? ocucor is a great crowd clearer while furis is more single-target oriented

[fierce lark]

furis incarnon is strong enough at a baseline that you'd have to have a very incomplete build for it to feel even marginally weak

[west radish]

ye but unless acolyte shows up

ocucor smokes

[fierce lark]

furis does enough raw damage to kill acolytes, not instantly but relatively quickly, and has enough status output that it will instantly kill anything else without a status cap

[tawdry trail]

there's quite a few game modes I can think of where more single target damage is nice

[west radish]

okay so i was missing 2 mods on furis that might be the reason xD

[fierce lark]

i cant even see status dmg on regular sp enemies because they die too quickly

[tawdry trail]

what does everyone like to run on the furis? I like blast electric for the multishot evolution

[west radish]

that was my issue with furis

everything died so fast i struggled to charge incarnon xd

[fierce lark]

okay but like

that's a problem with the strun where incarnoff has a long reload and you want the incarnon aoe

furis incarnon isn't aoe it's just another single target variant that does insane dmg

if your problem is incarnon is hard to charge because it kills too fast, that's usually a pretty good problem to have

[west radish]

imma try dual tox soon

[tawdry trail]

I find it can charge pretty quickly once you rack up a decent amount of multishot but there's also some frames that make hitting the necessary headshots way easier

[fierce lark]

but also incarnoff furis isn't particularly strong, has like no crit chance, typically we're running the status evo

if you're in steel path incarnoff shouldn't be melting everything

[west radish]

heard they hella broken

[fierce lark]

you heard correct

[west radish]

what is so strong abouit those baddies

[tawdry trail]

hitting headshots gives them a gnarly buff and also has ricochet shots I believe

[west radish]

headshots again

jeeez

[tawdry trail]

yup

[west radish]

compraed to ocucor kpm are they better worse by how much if anything

and like when it comes to acolytes

do they nuke them?

[tawdry trail]

no clue, I've never really measured kpm

[fierce lark]

i think the only competition dtox has for kpm in the secondary slot is laetum and akarius

[tawdry trail]

maybe nukor?

[late hemlock]

Ocucor is low damage massive aoe

It's kpm is nuts in base sp and lower but it doesnt keep up at higher levels unless you have an insane gun buffer

[west radish]

volt + riven

it kinda struggles a little

run out of ammo few times so yeah its not efficient enough

[late hemlock]

Rivens arent a big boost its low dispo, eh I dont think volt is enough unless you also subsume another buff on top of shields + shock trooper

[fierce lark]

if you have aspirations of levelcap, ocucor is probably not what you want

[west radish]

ah right + nourish

grendel was not fun to farm btw

i will not do that ever again

[west radish]

its so easy to use lazy gun 😭

hold left and pray

[late hemlock]

If you really don't like to aim you can use a nukor which is basically if you traded some aoe off ocucor and the gimmick for way way more damage

[tawdry trail]

I second the nukor

haven't done it myself but it is definitely able to be taken to level cap

[fierce lark]

great for demos, great for thrax, great for anything that spawns in front of you

not ideal for acolytes if you have a high raw dmg primary or melee available

[tawdry trail]

true

status resistant enemies 👎

[midnight horizon]

The Nukor?

[tawdry trail]

kuva nukor specifically

[manic pelican]

Does anyone has Uriel Build ?

[viscid bane]

Why does Melee Influence doesn't seem as effective on Valk Talons?

Doesn't proc too often and when it does it's not as impactful as other weapons

[fierce lark]

because it can't proc on one-shot kills

which doesn't even matter really because if you're one-shotting, other arcanes aren't helping you either

they're all just extra damage with the exception of vortex, which has less grouping range than high range ripline anyways

[near vortex]

careen tbh

roll once everything frozen

[fierce lark]

may as well run influence still, sometimes you don't kill in 1 hit and then you get to proc influence and do the usual room nuking

or careen for the utility

[viscid bane]

Maybe run Animosity then and switch electric to something else?

[fierce lark]

animosity is just worse than exposure

especially since you want to be heavy attacking every 4 hits, and animosity requires you wait for 10 attacks (not hits) for the full effect

[viscid bane]

I'm not casting much so it doesn't seem like a good fit to me for my playstyle

[pallid quiver]

What is the ideal build for it tho

I don’t think magnetic toxin is very strong

[tawdry trail]

blast/electric is nice

for me at least

[pallid quiver]

I’ve got all but scorch and bullseye I think

[tawdry trail]

what evolutions do you use?

[pallid quiver]

And the prime heat

[fierce lark]

primed gambit is slightly better but i dont feel like re-formaing

[pallid quiver]

Than bullseye?

[fierce lark]

does want external viral but yeah, stacking heat with magnetic for the multishot evo and encumber to stack statuses for galv shot bc this thing vomits statuses

[fierce lark]

yes

[pallid quiver]

Ah ok

What’s lethal momentum do

[tawdry trail]

getting electric for that through magnetic never crossed my mind actually, that's neat

[fierce lark]

stormburst extended volley elemental balance

[fierce lark]

extends the damage falloff

[pallid quiver]

Not a must tho right

[fierce lark]

nope

leave exilus empty if you dont have it

[pallid quiver]

Alr

Where does scorch drop from

I feel like I need one

For a lotta pistols

[tawdry trail]

it's a rare drop from some spy missions

[fierce lark]

most pistols are fine with just heated charge

or primed

[pallid quiver]

Time to run Kuva fortress spy

Rotation B means 2nd vault right

[tawdry trail]

I think so

[nimble rune]

Anyone have a kullervo+ hate incarnon build? Ibhear its a good combo

[tawdry trail]

Baro also brings it sometimes

[pallid quiver]

Kinda not worth it tho

[fierce lark]

i ran a copypasted viral heat build with elementalist instead of galv shot and cascadia flare for a long time and the gun still evaporated everything

[pallid quiver]

Like spending ducats on something farmable

Elementalist?

[tawdry trail]

pistol elementalist, increases status damage

[pallid quiver]

Ohh

[tawdry trail]

that one comes from the ascension mission on uranus I believe

[pallid quiver]

Oh is it a rare drop

[tawdry trail]

kind of, I think it's only dropped by one type of enemy

same with the other elementalist mods and also cannonade mods

[late hemlock]

Not too bad to get just grind the arcanes from Ascension and it will come along the way

[pallid quiver]

which arcanes from that are good?

[karmic prism]

for gauss should i put catalyzing shields and do shield gating

[tawdry trail]

you might be better off using fast deflection, it stacks really nicely with the shield recharge gauss gets from his passive

[tawdry trail]

pretty much all of them tbh, secondary fortifier and melee afflictions are probably the least niche ones though

[late hemlock]

Fortifier is fine with only one copy tbh

Afflictions is stupid good on certain slam melees

[brittle sleet]

https://overframe.gg/build/591347/gauss-prime/electromagnetic-accelerator-general-use-sp-gauss-hybrid-weapon-platform-sunder-nuke/

Exceeding the recharge delay reduction through [Gauss]'s passive and [Fast Deflection] then triggering Arcane Aegis once allows an "aegis" effect to persistently trigger subsequently, making you immortal to all non-toxin damage without hitting 100% battery. This is probably a bug and could be patched at an unknown time. If you want to use this simply drop [Streamline] or [Augur Message] for [Fast Deflection] and one of the Arcanes for Aegis.```

[karmic prism]

i only have arcane aegis rank 1 tho

[tawdry trail]

oh wow I didn't think that still existed

[late hemlock]

Aegis doesnt need more ranks

[late hemlock]

Warframe doesn't fix bugs lmao

[tawdry trail]

lol

[karmic prism]

something like this then

[tawdry trail]

yeah that seems pretty good

side note - do you have 160,000 endo but haven't maxed out dreamer's bond?

[coral plank]

Since ive dealt with my energy issue for Sev Nuke, my next issue is survivability...

[undone dust]

shield gate

[coral plank]

Hell no, also I already have the catshield and aegis, but I dont like shieldgating sometimes

[snow ice]

This changes everything...no idea how i pulled this off

[mighty flare]

invisibility from shade/huras or shadow + invis arcane

i forgot the name

[granite ginkgo]

invis arcane? or u mean rolling guard?

[hard dove]

Trickery?

[mighty flare]

no? doesnt shadow triggering arcane trickery apply to sevagoth?

[mighty flare]

yeah

[obtuse locust]

hey gamers, which mod do you think is better over all, blaze or scattering inferno

[late hemlock]

Different stats mean different uses

Scattering probably is going to be used more often but some weapons will want blaze

[lament stump]

Is metamorphic magazine worth getting if I'm playing Atlas?

[late hemlock]

To petrify?

One press of 3 petrifies a room

Don't need it

[celest thicket]

if i have a weapon that basically never can proc status , should i go for the elements with the best damage chart or still keep to corro/viral + heat ?

[late hemlock]

If you cant proc status then always just go for the matchup bonus

[brittle sleet]

Raw damage is the usual go-to (i.e. whatever elemental combos use primed mods for the weapon type) and you secondary prioritize either by matchup bonus or by, yeah, the highest DPS/KPM elements you can add, so for example you'd add viral or blast to most primaries. Melees should basically always run status because Weeping Wounds is insane though

[drowsy herald]

Anyone got a nice braton prime incarnon build

[placid seal]

I want a to make hildryn build with expertise but with no helmith

[tawdry trail]

Braton incarnon has the nice heat AOE but physical damage on direct hits, so if you mod for cold you can still stack primary frostbite in incarnon form and get blast on the AOE

[celest thicket]

thanks, btw , corrupted enemies change to orokin faction or keep their normal faction matchup ?

[late hemlock]

If you mean enemies that get corrupted mid relic missions im p sure they keep the same matchup

Orokin enemies are different enemies entirely

[toxic ocean]

For dagath, I know the best option for the mod is to do Perrin sequence. But since it’s viral what’s a good way to get a ton of energy?

[old marsh]

And someone here told me that it’s the opposite and then he suggested that because of this, the faction multiplier applied to anything corrupted. now who to believe granted this was after the Jade Shadows update btw.

[late hemlock]

Im probably the one in the wrong because info in my head is super old

[old marsh]

There is a reason Orokin faction mods r pretty much useless now

[late hemlock]

Didn't play in ages

Im sure wiki has this no

[old marsh]

Actually it was wrong before Jade Shadows. The mod was called Corrupted and not Orokin

Now Corrupted isn’t a faction so during fissures it won’t work like it used to

[late hemlock]

Elemental bonuses remain the same for the damage

Looks like only the bane mod changes if you use it

[old marsh]

Yup

hold up. So Orokin faction mod applies to anything Corrupted?

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

Honestly. Might as well use Roar. For Corrupted and Non Corrupted. Shits confusing

[karmic badger]

This is why we don't bother with faction mods

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[celest thicket]

Thats actually a weird interaction

The faction itself changes but not the damage matchup, despite being made the same thing in the last damage update

[midnight horizon]

Wait waot

Hol on what is this about

[old marsh]

ignorance is bliss

https://tenor.com/view/chill-dog-chill-mac-allister-macallister-dog-gif-13760008167820715606

[midnight horizon]

Ay new detail, that I don't know of, I'm not going to pass this

The fck is this about hahahahah

[cold salmon]

its contradicting with its own description at the top of the wiki 🤔 whats going on

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[cold salmon]

does it mean it inherits the damage resistenace of whatever faction its previous has while also have the new resistance to radiation and weak to viral/puncture

[tiny ridge]

quick question for those who run cyte-09. would it be viable to run energized munitions and if so what ability do i ditch?

[midnight horizon]

Broooo

[celest thicket]

In short? Corrupted enemies are considered orokin for faction mods, but not for the damage bonus chart on elements for some god forsaken reason

[midnight horizon]

Ohhhhhhh hahahahah

[buoyant patio]

Outdated information. The info in that image is the correct info.

[celest thicket]

So if you want the maximum damage in say, a relic mission against the grineer, you have to equip bane orokin but with corrosive and impact

Same for corpus relics, bane orokin but puncture elec and magnetic

[buoyant patio]

IIRC, Void Fissure corrupted enemies do not change their resistences.

They stay as their original faction.

[celest thicket]

Yeah basically, which is super weird

[neat harbor]

Don’t mod for impact but other than that yea

[celest thicket]

Might as well just use lavos or Roar and not care about this

[buoyant patio]

If they were actually changing factions, they would start attacking their former comrades.

[celest thicket]

Its just a example

[celest thicket]

Thats the problem, they do change the faction, they are considered orokin, but not the resistances

[buoyant patio]

Fissure corrupted enemies do not change faction.

All it does is make them drop Reactant.

[buoyant patio]

As I said, if they were changing faction, the way enemy AI works would make them start attacking their allies.

Are you saying that it changes which faction mod works against them? If that's the case, I was unaware of that...

[karmic badger]

You have... Ammo bags, you don't need ammo efficiency

[midnight horizon]

The way you are so concerned makes it better hahahahha

[karmic badger]

Honestly im afraid of what kind of weapon he's using that even ammo bags isn't enough

[inner crane]

Sarofang vs Veridlac stats. Same build but Sarofang is doing 10x more damage CONSISTENTLY. What the hell is going on with the numbers? The only thing I can think of is the stances but I dont see how a 1-200% damage difference can account for the 10x extra damage the sarofang is doing.

[midnight horizon]

Hahahahaha oh nah hahag

[karmic badger]

Stance multipliers?

[inner crane]

thats what im thinking but I dont undersetand how an extra 1 or 200% damage from the stance modifiers on attacks can account for the difference between doing 10k damage with the Veridlac and 350k damage with the sarofang on forward light attacks

it feels like something is broken

[buoyant patio]

Might be getting headshots with the heavy blade stance.

(Yes, melee weapons can headshot)

[inner crane]

(I am aware of this feature thanks to Vorunas 3)

[midnight horizon]

How the FCK is that possible 🤔

[inner crane]

(but no I dont get enough headshots for it to be the reason consistently)

[buoyant patio]

Overhead swings generally, which heavy blades and hammers do a lot of.

[midnight horizon]

Genuine question and base on curiousity

Why did you ask tho? Like base on it and stuff?

[inner crane]

nah I do crouch + w melee spam so Im usually hitting low

[inner crane]

Ask what?

[celest thicket]

Must be aegrit, its the only weapon i can think about that even protea has trouble supplying for

[sudden storm]

Here's a thought provoking question for yall: how busted do you think it'd be if DE gave us the ability to mod our incarnon weapons two modes separately? (In a game where people regularly hit negative interger numbers already)

[midnight horizon]

Like why are you concerned of the damage, I wanna know and I might or we might be able to learn more, I might study it too for you ya know

[karmic badger]

Felarx might actually have its incarnon be used

[buoyant patio]

Huh, whips seem to be better for slide attack spam... same multiplier but faster attack speed.

Now I'm confused.

[midnight horizon]

Uh oh

[inner crane]

Because I spent like 6 forma and an umbra forma on a weapon whos stats should be good and better than the one I am currently using but instead of doing what it says on the tin like youd expect its swinging like one of those plastic lightsabers

[midnight horizon]

Ah

Which is the one you invests a lot

[inner crane]

well in order to fit the build, both weapons!

[undone dust]

projectile melees and sparring melees are usually the easiest to do it with (sparring melee heavy attacks hit heads almost all the time since they're a weird slam)

[inner crane]

so like all together I spent like 15 forma

[midnight horizon]

Oof that is a problem dr

[undone dust]

which is funny to keep in mind because both baruuk and valkyr's exalted melees are sparring melees

[kindred carbon]

Does magazine capacity on a riven apply to Incarnon mode ammo count?

[midnight horizon]

*damn I didn't even spend above 3 on some of my weapons except Torid hahahah

Anyways back to your problem

[undone dust]

no

[inner crane]

I like building insane shit

I hereby give you the funniest joke of a weapon with a firerate of 36.5

[celest thicket]

Sadly nothing changes the capacity on incarnon weapons

As far as i know at least

[midnight horizon]

Idk the exact problem really... Other than it's must be the performance or undetected buffs in either your frame, companion or the mods

Because sometimes priming is the key to this too. Maybe one weapon symergizes on the primer a lot better than the others (base on my experience)

That's why I think it's that

[undone dust]

neg capacity can actually cause you to get less incarnon mag but that's usually at the worst case scenario of no ms and missing a few shots (it's just less leeway than having full mag capacity)

genuinely the only weapon that neg capacity is good on riven wise is tenet tetra

[inner crane]

There is only one thing I can think of. I run a panzer vulp and I forgot to re-equip it before running this build after farming mastery

[celest thicket]

Does it has any multishot? I wonder what is the maximum of projectiles a weapon can shoot in a second

[midnight horizon]

Maybe, that, Panzer are very heavy on priming viral, so maybe it's that

[buoyant patio]

That is 100% the issue.

Viral priming makes a huge difference.

[midnight horizon]

Yup yu0

There we go

[inner crane]

multishot is 2.8 the weapon is booty cheeks but its hilarious when you give it to one of the defense targets and they just vomit out a solid beam of light

[midnight horizon]

Maybe it's the statuses plus the viral from Panzer

[inner crane]

yeah and my panzer procs toxin

toxin and viril

[midnight horizon]

Mmm see

[celest thicket]

My basmu has 19.5 fire rate with 3 multishot and it already blinds me

[midnight horizon]

That is 100% the issue like Subsonic said

[celest thicket]

This thing must be a warcrime

[midnight horizon]

Both pierces shield (not armor) Toxin and Viral which is more than Toxin

[buoyant patio]

Secura Dual Cestra? That'll blow your arms off at that firerate with the amount of recoil it has.

[inner crane]

I originally named him this back in like 2020 as a joke because they literally cant die but I didn't know it wasn't a joke

[midnight horizon]

XDDDDDD a few shots and if game physics is not available, you'll be aiming to the sky with a broken bone

Aight I gtg cya tennos

[inner crane]

Side note, Zephyr doing red crits with 100%+ status chance is good right?

[fierce lark]

Zephyr is good

[undone dust]

zephyr

[fierce lark]

ftfy

[gleaming oasis]

amen to that

[daring summit]

For the pumpkin spice mirage / torid loadouts, what are typical shards? 2 Tau green - corrosive stacks , 1 Tau yellow - cast speed, 2 Tau Red - ability strength?

[gleaming oasis]

very good

replacing amalgam shatter with amanata pressure since it goves 300+% melee damage and its not in the overframe database would the 'John melee" build just be the way or would you use something else?

[fierce lark]

2 cast 3 duration is what im seeing

i wasn't aware mirage even did corrosive

[daring summit]

Torid is modded for corrosive. I thought the shards don't need to be warframe abilities

[fierce lark]

they don't, but torid will kill anything long before it can hit 10 corrosive stacks

if it's modded appropriately, and especially in mirage's hands

[daring summit]

Even like ETA enemies?

[kindred pumice]

put it on gauss and it will become 73,2

[fierce lark]

i didn't even build my torid until i got it in my ETA rotation a couple weeks ago, copied a corroblast build and yeah it exceeded expectations

it doesn't really stack that much corrosive, most of the weighting is pushed onto blast with primed cryo

[daring summit]

Dang. Did you have a riven for it? I have an empty mod slot that was supposed to be for one, but I ain't got it

[fierce lark]

no riven

[daring summit]

Fair

[fierce lark]

any combination of critical delay/galv scope/serration all work

this one is the most consistent imo

run this if you don't have external fire rate

can opt for serration over elementalist if you need the help getting deadhead stacked

and use amalgam if you can be bothered to rank it, i cant xd

[inner crane]

My friend has finally come online so I can access a testing enviornment. It was the fact I wasn't using a panzer vulpa. I went from like 10k damage procs to 1.5 million on my light attacks lmao.

[midnight horizon]

Huh weird, possibly it's just the synergy of the prime and buffs

That's the best explanation I can give you

[cold salmon]

genuine question: i heard that punch through interacts well with chained beam weapons, something to do with it allowing it to chain more enemies, if thats the case wouldnt running Primed Shred over Vile Acceleration a better choice? Or do punch through not actually worth it on beam weapons?

[fierce lark]

im not sure how punch through interacts with the torid specifically, because the stats screen doesn't actually display a number

from a quick wiki check, PT doesn't seem to affect the torid beam

but blast radius does

[daring summit]

If it's killing things too quickly to stack corrosive, should elementalist be swapped for galv apt for more direct damage?

[fierce lark]

elementalist is there because blast

it doesn't interact with corrosive, corrosive doesn't deal status damage

[daring summit]

So it's about buffing the death boom, got it. The guy I was talking with in game shared his build

[fierce lark]

you should tell them not to use aptitude

[daring summit]

So I am needing something to fill the riven slot and I think elementalist is a good call

[cold salmon]

also fairly certain aptitude doesnt work well with the incarnon of torid, its additive, it doesnt apply full damage, and it is affected by damage fall off

[daring summit]

I'm away from pc ATM, eating dinner with my family

[daring summit]

I'm wondering if their still in the old corrosive idea, 14 stacks to fill armor strip. Hence the apt and the green shards

[fierce lark]

galv aptitude doesn't usually work with radial damage, in this case it won't affect the incarnon beam aoe at all and it doesn't factor in the damage increase from the 2nd evo so you're only getting half of the damage from it

it sucks

[daring summit]

I am always so surprised by members of this community and their insane knowledge of corner cases for usage and applications of things

Thanks all

[fierce lark]

corrosive is just there because it only requires 1 mod slot and it's good against armored enemies, if you wanted to minmax vs techrot or something you could throw in a magnetic mod or like more fire rate or serration or galv scope instead

hell if you're doing EDA with a disruption mission and you just want to torid absolutely everything you can mod viral heat like anything else lol

[daring summit]

I'll min max for opponents later, I am more testing to see if it's as good and smooth as people have said before I hyper deep dive into it

[midnight horizon]

while my Torid is in Corrosive Cold mod :3

[fierce lark]

realistically though cookie cutter corrosive blast will kill everything and anything

[daring summit]

Thought murmur was immune to viral, and how would you get a single element on it with base toxin

[inner crane]

Without a pet and with a pet. I forget how much difference pets make lmao.

[fierce lark]

they take half damage from viral, but the status effect multiplies all damage they take by 4.25x at max stacks

[cold salmon]

they are immune to viral damage but not to the status effect

[fierce lark]

you'd mod fully for viral same as anything else, rime rounds + malignant force (pcr would be too much viral weighting since it's innate toxin imo)

and then hellfire\

pmuch copypaste a viral heat rifle build with serration instead of aptitude

[daring summit]

Oh yeah, the force toxin combo with a mod, shoulda remembered, sorry, brain fart

[fierce lark]

anyway yeah here's torid with 0 buffs

deadhead doesn't stack on blast kills so sometimes it's a bit uncooperative, you might prefer merciless

also makes incarnon transforming faster

[midnight horizon]

Hehe, Torid is the janitor's favorite gun

[fierce lark]

and here's a silly pure toxin blight build, in theory it's probably good against like corpus demos lol, or armored demos if you have external strip like pillage

keeping in mind this is all unbuffed with no companion, it only gets better in practice

[midnight horizon]

Hehehehe

[fierce lark]

tl;dr you shoot something with torid it'll die

[midnight horizon]

Yip

I'm still loyal with Torid Corrosive Cold build

[cobalt ore]

does anybody have a good saryn build for sp general use?

[nimble musk]

Base kit jade can nuke btw

[karmic badger]

Mfw..

Secondary Enervate

[nimble musk]

Indeed

[cobalt ore]

do u have any shards on the build or recommend?

[karmic badger]

1 tau green for more max corrosive

[cobalt ore]

anything else?

[karmic badger]

1 blue for max energy, though that's more for QoL. The rest should probably go to either ability strength or duration

[fierce lark]

1 corrosive 1 cast speed 3 toxin dmg

saryn has enough base energy and doesn't cast enough to need flow, 1-2 energy shards are alright if you survive with shield gating

[cobalt ore]

alr fss thank you

[celest thicket]

Fulmin, is it worth keeping the eletric damage or should i make it corrosive (have nourish for viral)

[old marsh]

why not buff electric with primed mod

[mighty flare]

fulmin is a rifle (uses rifle mods), not a shotgun, sadly

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[mighty flare]

keep electric

[old marsh]

i forgot

[night laurel]

does the Vesper 77's bonus justify its fire rate?

want to make it work with pistol acuity but it feels a bit clunky. is it workable?

[mighty flare]

you have lots of options for fire rate like frames, reinforced bond, arcanes, etc
do you mean cannonade?

[karmic badger]

It won't clear groups if that's what you want

Though leaded gas is fun

[night laurel]

forgot to add: i'm trying to increase FR but it just makes the recoil a bit unbearable

[mighty flare]

do you have deadhead and a recoil exilus?

[night laurel]

is keeping it as a slow, critmaxxed single targetpilled the way?

i do have steady hands but exilus slot is locked, and I do have deadhead

[mighty flare]

the mod, Twitch, on your primary will also apply to your secondary btw

[karmic badger]

Put gas on it

[night laurel]

oh damn, i'll try that out

[mighty flare]

also whats ur build

[night laurel]

leaded gas (and biotic rounds for the ax) is 70-100 in the market

[karmic badger]

Cause its a nightwave augment

Biotic is incredible for the AX, leaded gas is fun

[mighty flare]

if you dont have the aug, its not really worth building it

[night laurel]

i can't pull it up right now but its in the lines of pistol acuity, galv crosshairs, amalgam barrel diffusion (for circumvent), quickdraw, steady hands

[nocturne spindle]

Maybe I should give the ax another try

[night laurel]

i see

[karmic badger]

Hipfire crux is funny

[mighty flare]

if ur doing barrel you might as well just commit to ms with lethal torrent and drop acuity for like pt

[nocturne spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[valid cargo]

@gaunt star https://overframe.gg/build/441552/hildryn-prime/the-aegis-general-use-steel-path-hildryn/

[whole kindle]

When finding a build on Overframe, should I only look at ones from the most recent update (41) or are older ones okay too?

[glass rampart]

Anything below jade shadows and even some after are moot

[whole kindle]

Gotcha, ty

[karmic badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1289455738984337491/1323503297717338183/Warframe_2024.12.31_-_09.56.50.04.DVR.mp4?ex=6985697f&is=698417ff&hm=0911dc95a5c9f9025968b558b275664fc6f2d7653261d84aeebb26ab7ec543a0&

[nocturne spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-neco-neco-arc-devil-gif-4606139268538612190

Oh boy

[unborn wren]

Hello hi, I am playing a kuva sobek room exploding oraxia, and am wondering about companions. I have only tried chesa, charger and taxon but was hoping to not have to build/raise them all just to figure out what is good. Does anyone have any suggestions? My build is fairly fleshed out and I have viral, toxic and corrosive covered. I've been eyeing adarza to scale my primary blight, shade for crepuscular and djinn because it is funny. TIA!

[grizzled thunder]

hey build for caliban please

[gusty nova]

shade / the equiv dog would break your invis as soon as you shoot so probs not worth

[bold estuary]

The pharoh predasite from son on Deimos has a mod that gives 100% more toxin damage and has one for viral damage I dunno how it stacks with her own toxin damage but it’s probably her best companion

[unborn wren]

I am not planning on using arachne, and one high scaled hit should clear an entire room or ten anyway, so it's not a huge concern. It would also make the one hit count for more.

[bold estuary]

Also if you use arcane Arachne with crepuscular and just remember to shift a wall every 8 seconds you’ll have both without a shade

[unborn wren]

People complain about having to chase it around, and it seems to scale additively so it's already at 33% efficiency

[gusty nova]

having wall latch be on shift is a war crime

or do you mean rolling to one

[bold estuary]

Oraxia in her four shift auto latches her onto a wall

[hard dove]

Why do you need shade for crepuscular when can wall latch

[bold estuary]

Your using a sobek as well I dunno if crepuscular is worth the effort why not bellicose?

[hard dove]

Doesn't work with her i think

Bellicose take oraxia current health not the health during silken stride