builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

you only need 2 direct hits to fill incarnon bar on torid but if you miss one, you're stuck reloading

[twilit crest]

Torid in 2026

[midnight horizon]

Yee

[midnight horizon]

Why not? It's a fun gun to use

Along with Burston and Boar hahahaha

[twilit crest]

Idk I’m just bored I only ever use burston

[midnight horizon]

Yeah it's understandable to some... I just love Torid for it's thematics hahahh

[twilit crest]

I just wished the weps were more customizable I would use Torid if it didn’t look like that

[midnight horizon]

And I love looking at my enemies choked in that smoke :3

[twilit crest]

💀

[midnight horizon]

Tbh, I agree with you, though I like the looks of Torid now, but it's better if we can costumize it

[twilit crest]

Ya like especially considering it removes skins when it’s incarnon in general

[midnight horizon]

Yeah, I think hopefully in the next updates

[zenith hatch]

Is my build on my coda bassocyst good ?

[tulip sphinx]

Anyone have a Lavos prime build I can use?

[noble berry]

Not prime, but here's my Lavos anyway.

it's admittedly very stupid but I love it

[midnight horizon]

I have a bit of immortal Lavos if you wsnt hahahah

[signal blade]

Is a riven good on Pyranna prime? It has a 1 disposition but it still sounds good to have one

[midnight horizon]

Prime or not, they are quite the same hahahah

[floral mulch]

i saw a build of a mirage who has prims ball and is running really fast just holding it does anyone know what that build uses/is called? i tried asking them but they left-

[signal blade]

Its called prism guard

Its an augment for Mirage

[floral mulch]

how are they running very fast tho

[signal blade]

Could be sprint mods or parkour velocity shards or a subsume

[floral mulch]

like they were speeeding

[signal blade]

It could be alot of things

[floral mulch]

dang

is there any subsume that gives speed buff?

[hard dove]

Mirage have a much faster rolling speed so probably that plus 2 parkour shard

[hard dove]

Molt and infested mobility and firewalker

[signal blade]

Saryn / free / Nezha ^

[floral mulch]

it could be but they were running not rolling

idk i rllly liked their build but idk how to replicate

[signal blade]

Also the Praedos melee weapon gives sprint speed, slide and parkour speed

[hard dove]

Is there a volt on the team
Also yeah highly likely praedos is also used

[floral mulch]

no volt, not sure about weapons cuz they left the squad

[signal blade]

And the augment that makes the ball float above their head is a mod called an augment that you can get from syndicate offerings

[floral mulch]

ye i got the augument and tried to copy the build and failed miserably

[hard dove]

Prism guard, sprint speed aura, rush exilus, subsume molt or infested mobility, preados sprint speed evolution

Also prism guard is from nw

[signal blade]

He could be using a primer on enemies to make them take more damage from the ability too

[floral mulch]

not sure abt damage cuz it was like a lvl 5 fissure

i just saw him like run past me and extract lol

w prism guard

[rough bear]

greetings, I've come to ask if anyone has a build for the kuva tonkor/what element would be recommended. I was thinking of electric progenitor for viral/elec

[floral mulch]

which one is faster between the 2

[hard dove]

Molt iirc

[floral mulch]

which wf is molt again

[midnight horizon]

How do u get the Molt shiz

[hard dove]

But molt last way shorter so you need to spam it

Saryn subsumr
Saryn is from that one arena boss

[floral mulch]

prism guard is only 4 seconds anyway

[floral mulch]

oh lord

[hard dove]

Kayla De Tham or something

[midnight horizon]

Psh m nvm hahahaha

[floral mulch]

ill wait for circuit

2 weeks

[midnight horizon]

Fair hahahaha

[inland quartz]

Dumb fun okina build with melee careen (yes it isnt influence for once)

Galv steel/elementalist

Bloodrush
Weeping wounds
Drifting contact

60/60 cold and fire mods for blast (or run gas for higher lvl content cause it lingers dealing more damage)

Any last mod, i personally use glad vice.

Frozen enemies work wonders cause okina freezes them and your roll freezes too.

Blast and gas is cause you can triple dip off of the melee careen damage buff it goes like this ~

2.5x damage from light attack or the incarnon passive

2.5x again on the status damage

2.5x again to the other frozen enemies near sad enemy with said status proccing damage.

Same goes for roar damage buffing too on blast and gas if you wanna run that though not needed

Before warframe abilities you hit 8mil easy on max blast stacks

Embrace chaos, embrace the cold. Embrace unfathomable silly

[cold salmon]

Molt: 50% move speed + status cleanse + shieldgate (with brief respite or augur)
Infested Mobility: 60% move speed + 30% parkour velocity

Tho molt is instant cast and do not have a casting animation, i dont actually know if infested mobility has a casting animation.

[floral mulch]

oo ty

[zenith hatch]

what should i add to my lizzie ? (after another forma)

[crude cedar]

Someone can explain if arcane concentration it's better than molt efficiency

[steep furnace]

how is this supposed to be possible

[cold salmon]

ivara with sleep arrow, banshee's silence (with gloom for good measure), or just nuking everything thru walls. I think either of these will work

[steep furnace]

i dont have neither of them 😭

[cold salmon]

im nt familiar with lizzie and flare but just pointing out the obvious, saw u have ciritcal delay on it, any reason why ur nt running criticaldamage mod?

[celest thicket]

Thats a cipher for me

Its not that hard depending on tbe frame, just boring

[steep furnace]

vital sense or hammer shot

[cold salmon]

from my own experience, concentration is better than efficiency in almost every way, there's only a couple of scenario where i would prefer efficiency over concentration

1. Bad energy economy, unable to consistently cast 2 abilities in a row (which tbf, rarely gonna happen)
2. Long animation casting time, exceeding 3 sec (also unlikely to happen, since we can always slap on casting speed shards)

sometimes i just run both and not worry about choosing neither

[zenith hatch]

i was gonna add it but i wondered if another mod would have been better

[green gyro]

do blast tox

ur arcane will never proc otherwise

[zenith hatch]

oh right i meant to do blast tox but didnt put them in the right place

[midnight horizon]

Who's lizzie

[zenith hatch]

the exalted weapon of the warframe Temple

[midnight horizon]

Ohhhh

Damn I didn't know that hahahahah

[humble flame]

Would cascadia flare be better on dual toxocyst incarnon if I’m running Uriel vs secondary merciless?

[twilit crest]

Prob if you build around it

There are like so many different secondary heat things

[limber panther]

Which element to get for a kuva sobek?

[quiet laurel]

depends for what frame you use it for

magnetic is a no brainer

saryn: cold
oraxia: cold
cyte: toxin
if you do decide to go single element

[mighty flare]

is this raw corrosive? showing me random screenshots without full context doesn't really mean much

[patent igloo]

loki

[late hemlock]

The build there was corrosive yes

Either way the build itself doesnt matter, you will always be working off the same base just trading between weakpoint damage and cc and multiple bullets

The % diff between the 2 mods isnt going to change

[quiet laurel]

all my homies hate acuity 🗣️

[late hemlock]

I have never personally used acuity and I only leveled up the mod for the first time to show personal testing lol

But it definitely seems the better choice for boss killer

[old marsh]

Same. I only pick Acuity if a weapon (say Chakkurr) gets some sort of buff from headshots.

Or the weapon is just straight up garbage and really needs that extra dps

[late hemlock]

Multishot is just easier to play around since you dont really need to aim so id rather use it 10/10 times

[old marsh]

Ye

[late hemlock]

Unless your goal is to hit a funny number id rather not

Or if its bugged with your weapon like the plinx I suppose

[old marsh]

Still can get funny numbers from MS builds. Acuity is for headshot enjoyers

[late hemlock]

Acuity is a pretty significant step up dps increase if you need a dps increase so its not like is rule it out

But I dont play levelcap endurance so its not needed

[old marsh]

Btw were u using Gal scope for both builds?

[late hemlock]

Nah just crit delay

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[late hemlock]

Honestly sounds like a huge pain to build up scope every time you want to kill a disruption target lmao

[valid mural]

is this good for cascade?

[old marsh]

Nah that’s fine. It’s multiplicative but in the back of my mind, I am remembering if Acuity wasn’t multiplicative with Gal scope for certain weapons. (Generally it is so it doesn’t matter)

[old marsh]

Should be fine if u have a decent weapon

[mighty flare]

acuity works but using it over ms is saying "i can aim" which is not most wf players
there's also lots of disruption setups being to kill demos before you can see them, so similar to zenith vs ogris in pt, you pick ogris

[late hemlock]

Cc from acuity is additive to other cc mods unless bugged like I mentioned with plinx

[old marsh]

Maybe throw in 2 tau blue shards for your energy

[late hemlock]

Bro literally asked levelcap cascade

You aren't using an ogris

[mighty flare]

what?

[old marsh]

Jic nullifiers disable your 3 & 4

So u can pop those right away

[late hemlock]

Disruption*

[quiet laurel]

I honestly forgor the last time I did a disruption
I just get lots of disruption speedruns on my yt

[old marsh]

Huh. Then I guess I was wrong. big PP numbers anyways

[mighty flare]

ms vs acuity is just, are you hitting heads or not, thas it
if you not hitting heads, you go ms and vice versa, you'll have no issues killing on either, you don't have to swap to acuity

[mighty flare]

also aoe weapons pretty goated on disruptions, getting to kill demos before you can see them is fun
tho i believe i ran akarius

[zenith hatch]

how's the basssocyst build ? also should i change the valence bonus ? (currently its toxin 25,1%)

[late hemlock]

Don't move the goalpost about hitting head

A person wanted a level cap disruption build, you always hit heads on a disruption target

[gleaming oasis]

I'm gonna have the scyotid built soon so I'm preparing a build for it in the meantime. figured since it seems to have a scattershot mode enervate could have some interesting interactions with it. any thing I should re-evaluate like elements or main use?

[limber panther]

What to look for in a Sobek Riven?

[late hemlock]

The one unusual to look for compared to other weapons is toxin as it directly affects your acid shells interaction when you build for toxin dot (saryn,oraxia)

None of the other stats will help the acid shells chain

[limber panther]

ty

[quiet laurel]

Depends who you use it on and for what purpose

The guy above mentioned the bare minimum tbh

And also kinda misinfo on the last message cause faction buffs also effect it

And random elementals also single dip

Apart from that you also want the generic stats you want on other rivens so you kill the initial targets faster

[late hemlock]

Will admit faction escaped my mind

Either way as I said I only mentioned the unusual standout, not that other stats are bad

[karmic badger]

with the kuva sobek's dispo, best bet is 2 decent stats with a harmless negative

[fluid crest]

Is arcane presistence worth to use on grendel ?

Since grendel augment give me immunity the only think that i should be careful with is nullifier right ?

[karmic badger]

Can he reliably heal himself? Ideally faster than 500HP/s

[fierce lark]

nourish is a pretty big heal

[fluid crest]

I mean if you spam nourish it heal 1k each, 800 if you use the augment that use hp instead of energy

Wait that is for the swallow skill lol

-200 hp for each feast, hopefully you get 5 enemy immediately, and 1k hp for each nourish

I dunno how nourish really work, does it work if grendel dont have enemies in him ?

[cold salmon]

u just need enemies in him to cast nourish, once cast it will work regardless of the state of grendel's stomach

[latent adder]

yes

[viral wagon]

why dont people put hotshot on gauss

[latent adder]

his 3 alone can heal 500hp/s after 250 str

[latent adder]

u can if u like but a nuke build wouldnt really need it

and other stats are just more useful eg more duration/strength/aegis

[viral wagon]

weapons platform wld appreciate it no?

but then youd need to build for range

[latent adder]

id prefer more duration

and weapon platform runs 34 range

[hard dove]

You sacrifice something like concentration for example

And aegis is a must if you subsume 2

[late hemlock]

Not sure who you use as "people"

Hotshot is perfectly fine on gauss if you go for a build that benefits off it

[viral wagon]

just builds ive seen around dont use hotshot

[hard dove]

You need range for that which means no narrow minded

[karmic badger]

And if you're going for range, you're probably gonna nuke via sunder anyway

[fierce lark]

it mostly boils down to nuking gauss doesn't care about weapon crit and platformer gauss can't keep it up reliably

but also

you can run hotshot on anyone if you have a companion that can run manifold heat

[flint mesa]

is there a way to get out more damage? like instead of magnetic might can i use pistol acuity?

[late hemlock]

Are you consistently headshotting while flying around with titania?

[flint mesa]

kinda hard to tell where the head is 😭

[late hemlock]

So acuity isnt doing you any favors

[opaque plank]

can anyone give me a gotva prime build?

[flint mesa]

if i was to turn on enemy highlight then?

[late hemlock]

You can try acuity on by replacing galv diffusion but I feel like going for headshots with titania is a bit too hectic for my taste

Unless you wanna use it on minibosses only type thing

[fierce lark]

if the goal is practicality above anything else, i wouldn't run acuity in general unless the extra headshot damage is making a meaningful difference to ttk (like against bosses/demos)

the floor when you aren't hitting heads is much worse

acuity daikyu is really fun when you're hitting 60m crit headshots

but it feels terrible when you miss a head and do like 60k and aren't even killing base sp enemies lol

or how much slower it can cause incarnons to charge

[compact cypress]

Running impetus and persistance + blue shard. what could i change on the build

[nova swift]

Maybe you want more health? Topaz blast hp shards might be a good pick. Possibly even get more use out of bellicose then, would need to run the math on that vs impetus

[lavish orbit]

I'll pass maybe you want other people to check 😹

[nova swift]

You could also slot in mecha set for almost free

[compact cypress]

ur build twin ✌️ im having a skill issue lmao

i think i just gotta get a damn kubrow atp 😭

[nova swift]

Pharaoh predasite for bonus toxin or sunika for mini bladestorm are my fav lavos picks

[compact cypress]

honestly as long as im not being dumb survivability has been alright, my issue is actually playing him efficiently

[lavish orbit]

better put molt augmented if it's that, impetus also boost efficiency for swift bite and his 3rd, under 2k health it's not worth for bellicose

[lavish orbit]

Maybe putting valence formation so you can play has both weaponplatform and a caster instead of stretch ? (So put cunning drift), also Cedo is great choice, his alt fire prime the base status, so already boosting your 4th

[compact cypress]

ill definietely try it out later when i get on

[nova swift]

Ive got a video somewhere in this chat where I run bubonico with debilitate and get a 1024x catalyze multiplier and get to spread a 48 mil heat proc through mecha range (so 30m+contagious bond spread)

[compact cypress]

holy shit

[nova swift]

Yea valence is huge, really good

[compact cypress]

wait so his 4 is for any elements on enemies? i thought it was just based on the ones from his other abilities LMAO

i think i should start playing the game consciously more

[nova swift]

Also a big fan of syam with life strike, valence formation blast on electric influence syam and destroy hallways with the shockwave while topping off your persistence health

[nocturne heron]

How should i build uriel for lategame? do i build him for weapon platform or nuke? (sp - lvl 1000)

[fierce lark]

bit of both

cast speed shard, equi shard, 3 duration

brim when it's up, shoot things in between

[nocturne heron]

brooo... 500 plat for an arcane

thats insane

[fierce lark]

hotshot is always optional, it's just more crit

[compact cypress]

yeah

[nocturne heron]

what is a good replacement ? molt augmented?

[fierce lark]

ye

[compact cypress]

tbf the only way to get is is a late game mode and you can only get a small amount each week

[fierce lark]

thats not true anymore

[nocturne heron]

i rlly need to find myself a plat farm that id tolerate

[fierce lark]

you can gamble for it with vosfor

[nocturne heron]

eta? or eda?

[fierce lark]

eta

[nocturne heron]

super slim chances tho

[fierce lark]

yeah but it's the only other way to "farm" it

[nocturne heron]

yea

[fierce lark]

and isn't time gated, send cascade and farm up arcanes

[compact cypress]

true true

[glass rampart]

what do I build saryn for

[late hemlock]

Hmm isn't descendia faster? 5 maphica per arcane is like really fast

[fierce lark]

depends on the layout i think, some rotations have that one insane maphica farm

[fierce lark]

depends if you want spore coverage or not, mostly for stripping purposes

either mid-high strength & duration with max range for spores based or "nuking" (more like slowly drowning tbh), or 34 range max strength and high duration for pure gunframe

[glass rampart]

gun frame it is

[mortal gyro]

guys anybody got any kuva sobek build ??

[mellow nimbus]

Okay wow. I was skeptical of arcane circumvent. But now that I tried it's actually quite good.

[late hemlock]

If you're going for gun focused just kick out miasma for another gun buff, not going to get use out of it

Roar helps toxic lash a ton so its the usual slot in

[late hemlock]

What frame are you using it with

[mortal gyro]

saryn prime

i have toxin element on my sobek

[late hemlock]

The progenitor doesnt matter for the acid interaction (toxin DOT from lash) so you can change it to cold so it combines with viral

You want to have both toxin mods on + elementalist as they affect your acid shells damage, faction mods too if you want to bother using those

If you can afford green shards on saryn to boost toxin damage that would be great as well

[mortal gyro]

okkk

[late hemlock]

Also roar subsume is another boost to the toxin

[mortal gyro]

on her 4th?

[late hemlock]

Yeah

[glass rampart]

wwhat do you use her 4th for then?

[late hemlock]

Venom dose helps with just upfront damage, 3 and roar will also boost the dot interact

Roar

[glass rampart]

i thought her nuke was her 1

[late hemlock]

1 is a low level map clear

Her nuke in higher levels is sobek

[glass rampart]

ah

i'll keep it on her for levelling for now then

[late hemlock]

Wait im just reading what you just said again I think you misunderstand me

You keep her 1, miasma is 4 and that is what you kick out

The use you get out of 1 is just moreso the augment than the spores

[mortal gyro]

so which element should i get on sobek if not toxin?

[late hemlock]

Mentioned above but you can use cold as progenitor so toxin mods make it viral

You need toxin mods on the weapons because they boost toxin dot so you do not want the opposite combo (toxin progenitor and cold mods)

[mortal gyro]

so i need to put mods like toxic barrage right? if i get cold valence

can i put primed chilling grasp in cold valence?

[late hemlock]

You must use both toxin mods

Thats why you leave the cold element part of the combo to the progenitor instead of wasting a mod slot

[mortal gyro]

okk

[glass rampart]

dual toxocyst (incarnon). Pistol Gambit or Enervate

[late hemlock]

Ignore progenitor was just messing with stuff

What you care about are the 2 toxin mods + shells + elementalist

Faction is great if you can be bothered to run i don't

Rest is p much flex up to you as long as you kill i suppose (not a problem its saryn)

Can make the case that elementalist is diminishing returns if you have a lot of green shards but id rather keep anyways

Sample

[glass rampart]

hows this

[hushed meadow]

which companion should i use for sevagoth pure nuke?

[patent anchor]

I am building my Furis Incarnon and I am wondering

A) Is a Viral/Heat setup or the Blast Electric idea i had better

B) Is it better to use Pistol Elementalist for Heat proc damage or swap it for Merciless Gunfight

[astral tinsel]

ppg

[late apex]

I cant decide if i should have all my builds on 1 volt or split them over 3 volts?

[glass rampart]

Any reason why I go ppg over enervate?

[severe bough]

High cc

[hexed coyote]

Need help

Survival bad

[glass rampart]

Well I mean if you don't take the cc perk for the last upgrade

[glass rampart]

You aren't running persistence 🚎

[severe bough]

Dtox is one of a few pistols which can reach red crits with crosshairs and ppg together tho I wouldnt recommned using both since to much cc is overkill

[glass rampart]

Jkjk

[severe bough]

What are even the other perks tho😭

[hexed coyote]

Time to do the old peace ig

[glass rampart]

Punch through

You get punch through instead

[glass rampart]

In all seriousness, Judging by the fact you're using lingering transmutation you're going for a caster build

But you're not using Swift bite

A lot of his health tanking comes from the fact he can heal himself with his 1

[hexed coyote]

Should I put it on?

[glass rampart]

Yes

[hexed coyote]

And what other mods other than his three augs do you recc?

[glass rampart]

Swift Bite is mandatory for caster builds

[glass rampart]

Archon vitality

[hexed coyote]

What does it do?

[glass rampart]

Double heat procs

[hexed coyote]

Oooohhh

[glass rampart]

Also you do not need steel fiber

If you go for a persistence tank you only need a single blue archon shard

But eh maybe it's worth it who knows

Also is it just me or is the range a little low

[nova swift]

One note on archon vitality. If you infuse heat on catalyse you will only get 3 heat procs. Not 4. It technically adds 1 heat proc to the hit

[hexed coyote]

I don't have persistence tho

Also heat procs

[severe bough]

Lazy gating lavos fr

[glass rampart]

you do though?

[hexed coyote]

Heat procs half armor so can't have under 1.4k

[vestal parcel]

So I was looking to make chroma credit farmer but why does efficiency and duration go hand to hand??

[glass rampart]

heat procs on the enemy dummy

why would you want to double heat procs on yourself???

[coral crest]

Using his omni ammo conversion to fuel the grimoire alt fire and snapshot aegis with Fass canticle

Stealing the power of Gauss, like a true alchemist would

[hexed coyote]

When I said "also heat procs" I said after talking about persistence it needs 700 armor so if you have 1.4k you account for heat procs

[coral crest]

Lavos doesn't need it

[pallid quiver]

does anyone have an example furis build? i feel like im not building mine right

[coral crest]

Lavos has passive status immunity from energy/universal orbs

[hexed coyote]

I forgot it gives status immunity

[maiden geode]

could start with sharing whatever you got so far

[hexed coyote]

I need to get perisistance

[pallid quiver]

its magnetic + toxin and galv diffusion and shot

and then 2 base damage mods

[modest olive]

should i put galvanized shot on this?

regulators btw forgot htat from the picture

[hard dove]

No

[modest olive]

okok ty

[hard dove]

And drop base dmg mod to make corro

[modest olive]

am i gonna have enough status?

[pallid quiver]

are base dmg mods not good?

[modest olive]

that's what i was thinking

[woven lynx]

which tauron strike is the best right now? I wanted to go with Madurai but idk

I am on either madurai or vazarin

[old marsh]

Madurai

U can snap shot +90% STR for challenged abilities

50 from the school itself and 40 from the pages

[glass rampart]

im trying to do a lazy gate saryn but every time i shield gate my survivability goes out the shitter

it does not feel like im getting shield gated for 1.33 seconds at all

[late hemlock]

You are running any augur mods on a secondary or a companion?

[glass rampart]

dont think so no

[late hemlock]

Then that's missing the main portion of what makes catalyzing shield gates good

Slap an augur mod in any part of your arsenal or brief respite in aura slot

Then when you get shield broken use molt which has instant cast and no animation so you just regain shields instantly (and divert aggro as a bonus)

[glass rampart]

i do not have augur mods on my companion

[late hemlock]

You can use them on your frame or secondary then

Doesn't really matter where they are the set bonus still activates

As for your comment on the 1.33 gate, its only 1.33 if you had full shields before getting hit.

If they are constantly breaking without going back to full then gate duration is going to he lower

[fresh quail]

A lot of builds I see for to Torid Incarnon don't use Galv. Aptitude. Why is that?

[glass rampart]

aptitude doesnt work on the chaining beams

[late hemlock]

The damage bonus doesnt take the base damage bonuses from the evolutions for some weird reason

So the damage gains per status are like half the value they should be

[glass rampart]

wait so does aptitude work on chaining beams then because it feels like it doesnt

oh also what green archon shard upgrade should i give saryn

[late hemlock]

The point of impact of the beam has a small aoe that isnt affected by the aptitude but the chains themselves are, its just that the value they gain is very low to what they should be due to scaling off the wrong base

At least iirc its been a while

[coarse bear]

Guys, is there any other gun that works that good as Felarx on Xaku? I tried Phenmor, but it's not even close

[late hemlock]

Toxic status effect damage is a direct buff to toxic lash so it goes pretty crazy, probably shove 2 of these in any build on her as a minimum

Could use damage on enemies affected by corrosive for spores damage if you want that ig

[glass rampart]

i have 1 tauforged and 2 normal-

[late hemlock]

For now I only have 2 tau and 3 empty slots, its already overkill

Can go with qol shards for the other 3 probably wouldn't matter

[rain sand]

Can someone share a build for Nyx?

[severe bough]

Fr

[coral crest]

Working out at the library

I accidentally deleted the message

[severe bough]

But bruh not even knew that how does it work step by step ?

[coral crest]

Uhh well

[fresh quail]

Whats a good boss melter secondary?

[coral crest]

Dual tox if you want all in metaslaving

[coral crest]

You know how Gauss aegis works? Just so it would be easier to explain

[fresh quail]

I have been using the Laetum

[coral crest]

Yeah laetum is great

No idea if it's better than dual tox, it probably is

I'm not very knowledgeable on weapons

[chrome plinth]

Which is better for Cyte 09, precision intensify or umbral intensify?

[coral crest]

Depends on how you build him. STR will affect all of his other abilities, so probably Umbral for general use

[chrome plinth]

does precision intensify works on cyte?

[coral crest]

Yeah but you only get better rifle dmg

Or whatever was subsumed on 4

[chrome plinth]

im using his base skills

[coral crest]

Dreaded precision intensify roar subsume on 4 to make up for ability str everywhere else

[coral crest]

Sniper included?

[chrome plinth]

yeah

[coral crest]

Then just run Umbral

[chrome plinth]

okok thanks 😄

[severe bough]

Ofc

[coral crest]

So basically

It's exactly the same as Gauss aegis

But instead of his passive you use this

You don't actually need a killing blow with the grimoire

Only tag an enemy and kill it with the grimoire in hand, so it's basically perfect for a caster

Realistically anyone can use this

But Lavos needs all lazy gating he can get if you're going that route. and universal ammo replenish alt fire as a bonus

You need to be able to cast Catalyze every 15s or less though. You'll have to go full caster for this or mod Grimoire with Valence Formation in mind to actually try and kill with it

I'm sure Lavos is literate

I hope he is

[pallid quiver]

Does this thing expire after 3 uses or something

[lavish orbit]

Lore wise, should be, player wise, maybe

[coral crest]

Wdym?

You just hold the book

Shoot at an enemy with primary or alt fire

And then kill said enemy while holding the book, the way it happens doesn't matter

The buff is refreshable

You can keep it going as long as you kill the tagged enemies

No limitations aside from needing to tag and hold grimoire on kill

[pallid quiver]

i see the 3 dots at the bottom of the mod and its giving me requiem mod flashbacks

[coral crest]

Oh it's just the upgrade levels

All tome mods go to r3

[wild rune]

quick, jumpscare them with a random 3 level gold mod

[lavish orbit]

I feel like there should be this version of kavat for jumpscare lmao

[pallid quiver]

oh cool

[radiant thistle]

what would be a good zaw weapon for saryn gloom build?

[severe bough]

Dokrahm zaw is very got if u dont have a riv and rabvee with riv

[radiant thistle]

would a crit hybrid be good if you have strong riv?

[severe bough]

Ideally u run
Duplicate + Eclipse
OR
Exposure + Wrathful advance

[radiant thistle]

ok imma write that down

[severe bough]

But Duplicate + Eclipse cannot be played with any external cc smth like zephyr passive

[twilit tulip]

can you change the forma icons for like config a and b to be different?

[spiral chasm]

sadly not

[twilit tulip]

ight i didnt think so but was wondering thank you

[near vortex]

I believe the duplicate variant is the stronger of the two, but wrathful works with crit chance rivens, provides mobility and kills Acolytes better

They have their pros and cons

Dohrahm also has some baller skins

Base kinda ugly but when you got this it ain't half bad

Also do note it needs to be an Exodia Contagion Zaw, assuming you didn't know that already

[severe bough]

When talking of zaws always talking about exodias there no other right way

[glass rampart]

Triumbral Saryn... Thoughts?

[wild rune]

a zaw without contagion is a walking stick

[severe bough]

Duplicate is about 20% ( according to ninjase ) tho i only playerd WA zaw one time with zepyr and it felt weird tbh

[severe bough]

Fr

[severe bough]

Eclipse + duplicate zaw>>> feels better tbh

[severe bough]

Best build fr

[near vortex]

I've not used the Duplicate variant due to my lack of an r5 Duplicate, but I've used Wrathful and Exposure and that felt pretty good

[glass rampart]

Thinking about Triumbral Saryn with persistence cuz I really don't like shieldgating

[severe bough]

Ig u wont really notice anyways there strong with both variants tho i rarely play zaws now because there just boring after a time

I need voruna prime tho

[late hemlock]

if you gloom with spores persistence is a waste of a slot unless you are going to lvcap

you heal infinite % a second

[glass rampart]

yeah im not running range tho

[late hemlock]

then what is your heal source?

[glass rampart]

regen molt

[late hemlock]

spamming elevate?

regen molt is really slow healing, not going to outpace persistence

triumbral + augment + an arcane just to health tank not really well is too much investment id say

[glass rampart]

and i dont really want to spend a umbral polarity

on a frame that doesnt need it

spamming elevate sounds funny

[late hemlock]

i wouldnt say she needs it but if you really dont like using molt as a shield gating ability your options get more limited

[glass rampart]

i really dont like shield gating period tbf

idk why it just never really works for me?

[late hemlock]

well in what you posted earlier you didnt build properly for shield gating since you had no augur/brief

[glass rampart]

i tried it on dagath with brief respitea and catalyzing shields

all it ends up with is me just spamming her 1 over and over and over just to rebuild my shields

[severe bough]

Dagath needs only a augur or brespite tho saryn is tbh pretty hard to build on persistance given what u actually need to make it work

Ig it can work tho im not even sure what her base stats are

Does she even has some armor💀

[glass rampart]

triumbral gives her enough to persistence

[late hemlock]

unless she gets a heat / corrosive proc and its out

barely over the edge with triumbral

[severe bough]

She got status cleanse

Just spam 2 all the time

[late hemlock]

at that point just run shield gating and thats it lol

same game loop

[brittle sleet]

2 tau blues are needed to keep her with Persistence through a status proc as well

[late hemlock]

alright its descendia time

omni forma huh

[severe bough]

Cyte zarr > crashing pc and consoles

[mighty flare]

persistence is gating with extra steps

[glass rampart]

idk i may be doing shieldgating wrong (besides forgetting an augur mod)

[brittle sleet]

I've been messing with it for funsies because I found her hilarious with Gloom and Rage but just using Molt to restore shields and Nexus or Equilibrium for energy is definitely far superior on Saryn

[late hemlock]

not using a shield regen mod with catalyzing shield is VERY wrong

[glass rampart]

am i supposed to wait the full 1.33s or cast molt immediately

[late hemlock]

just cast it

[glass rampart]

i still die tho

[brittle sleet]

Restore shields during your invincibility period

[glass rampart]

that ends your invincibility period tho

[severe bough]

U could just use lazy gating if u dont wanna spam buttons that often but u need to have more active movement

[brittle sleet]

If you restore enough shields (which is any, with Catalyzing) you get full gate again

In Saryn's case especially, Molt will cover as well

[velvet pulsar]

I am currently building Twin Kohmak.
My personal idea is blast stacker build, but any other build recommendations?

[charred gale]

Melee influence :)

Unless im tripping and those arent melees

[coral crest]

It's a secondary dual auto shotgun

It's paired kohm basically

[charred gale]

Ok i guess im thinking of something else

[late hemlock]

its the secondary version of kohm

[charred gale]

Icic

[coral crest]

Nope

It's a double version of a secondary version of kohm

[late hemlock]

[coral crest]

There's Kohm, a primary

Kohmak, a secondary

And twin kohmak, a double secondary

[coral crest]

Cascadia empowered calling like a green goblin mask

[velvet pulsar]

I went with enervate

[coral crest]

LAAAME

[velvet pulsar]

The base CC is low but the CD is quite nice

[coral crest]

[velvet pulsar]

So blast and enervate have synergy

[glass rampart]

do I need vig vigor on this or can i just run augur something

circumvent is for comfy stuff usually youd use augmented

[trim hill]

I'd suggest Augur something somewhere if not running Brief Respite. You can get away with not using it if you are playing Corpus missions or smth tho

[brittle sleet]

You either do Aegis + the shield gating mods for lazy gating or slap on augur mods and/or Brief Respite for active gating

Still safer to have Augurs for lazy gating as well of course

[shy dirge]

what should i put on this dual toxocyst build? im running irradiate with nyx and its really good but i dont know how to continue to make it level cap ready

[glass rampart]

max out galv shot and remove hornet strike :)

(or run pistol acuity if you can hit headshots ig)

[rigid sierra]

Which riven is better for the ocucor?
First i have one with +113.4 fire rate, +165.7 multishot and -43.1 zoom and the otjer option is 102.2 status duration,183.2 crit chance and +250.6 damage

[glass rampart]

if you have primed pistol gambit thats always better than creeping bullseye cuz the fire rate nerf is just not worth it if you have ppg

[shy dirge]

what should i put in the 2 empty slots do you think cuz if i remove hornet strike i still have 2 open slots

[lavish nimbus]

I don't need CC right? I'm putting this AX on my Harrow anyways.

[coral crest]

That multishot HURTS

Please reroll

[frosty fjord]

I mean if they're running acuity it doesn't matter

[coral crest]

Oh wait they do

Sorry you can kill me for my transgressions

[lavish nimbus]

Is it true that Harrow's CC bonus capped at 50% (for body shots)?

[lavish nimbus]

Ah damn, did not see that part on the right, it's too small on my screen, thanks btw.

[gleaming oasis]

been cooking up a scyotid build since I finally got around to doing the grind. seems like this could work. Inate toxin makes things interesting tho. any ideas or better things I should be doing with this weapon?

[spiral spire]

??

[brittle sleet]

Easily the first one

[brittle sleet]

Yes do that

Take the right one and abuse it like a [redacted]

[rustic vine]

working on my dual toxo build, got all the mods but havent maxed them out yet

[velvet pulsar]

What are u using in the exilus?

Coz I have a suggestion.

[onyx oak]

What kind of mods do I put on koumei

[glossy yew]

first riven i cycled it once

is it worth anything 😭

proabbly not idek what gun its for

[hexed coyote]

My survivability is so trash

I get one shot by corpus goons in sp

I thought Lavos was supposed to be tanky or something, 3 hits and I'm out

I used ophidian bite instead of steel fiber

[raven dragon]

anyone got spare mods for uriel build (dm if u wanna help : D)

[zenith hatch]

how's my coda bassocyst build ? also should i change the valence bonus ? its at 25,1% toxin rn

[astral tinsel]

I'd go deadhead

and 60/60 cold

and primed ravage ofc, whenever you can get it

[trim hill]

I tested Fusilai with a near-god riven, and it's still pretty dookie 💔

[coral crest]

Double recharge delay, sub 200% range, maybe a single augur mod

The rest is literally whatever you want

[hexed coyote]

What should I do?

[zenith hatch]

Okay and the element bonus being toxin is fine ?

[astral tinsel]

I'd prefer magnetic if you want to keep elec (which I would)

or elec for extra weight

[deep grotto]

Dragging this back down so someone more knowledgeable can put out advice

[zenith hatch]

okay thank you!

[hexed coyote]

[deep grotto]

I guess the most knowledgeable individual would be @mighty flare

[onyx oak]

The heck does the first thing mean

[trim hill]

Shield recharge delay

[onyx oak]

Ohhhh yea i still dk what that means

[coral crest]

Fast deflection and Vigilante Vigor

Mods that reduce the time it takes for your shields to start recharging

[onyx oak]

Ohhh yea I don’t got those 🥹✌️

Wait I’m filthy liar

I just can’t spell

[mighty flare]

lavos runs arcane persistence now cuz of his high stats, consider another source of healing besides ophidian like companions or weapons
any armor source works, if you have azure shards you can use them instead of steel fiber

[hexed coyote]

How did lavoses survive that stuff before persistence?

[mighty flare]

high levels? vazarin, evade, lazy gating, pillage, companion gating, fortifier
low stuff you can ehp tank fine

[nova swift]

energy siphon on lavos is wild 💀

but yea with armor and adaptation you should be fine up to EDA/ETA as long as you have some healing

panzer vulphaphyla with hunter recovery as an example

[old marsh]

cut him some slack. i used to use auto install feature till i got to SP

DE needs to improve it

[hexed coyote]

I don't have any other leveled school

[old marsh]

thats not the issue. Lavos doesnt use energy. at all

u should have dreamer's bond. thats more useful here

[hexed coyote]

I don't have the good aura mods for him

The mecha mod and the other one

I just can't seem to find the mecha set

[nova swift]

This is how I run him, I dont use too much range because I use mecha for casting nuke. With either daikyu + syam/nikana zaw + contagion or any ranged heavy attack with life strike for sustain

primary debilitate bubonico to apply all 10 elemental status effects and any comfort secondary for just blasting

[old marsh]

Aah. When u said school I thought u meant zenurik. Got it.

[hexed coyote]

I don't have three of these😭

[hexed coyote]

I prefer cedo on him

That's why I'm doing old peace

To get desencdia

To get persistence to get good tanking to farm primary blight

[nova swift]

I think any secondary encumber status hose can also work for this tho

yea thing is I dont think persistence will really help you unless you go past EDA/ETA or have something like toxic tank shooting at you with all the chaos

you need some sustain to not die beforehand

1.2k armor with stacked adaptation should make you die slower then what persistance will protect you from up to lvl 200-300

[hexed coyote]

I personally get one shot by sp enemies in valliss mines when I get surrounded

That's why I need some mods and arcanes

[nova swift]

I think a panzer vulpaphyla with hunter recovery is a super strong way to heal. The spores it spreads all heal you and it can kind of make you immortal with persistence

and even if it goes down, the spores still heal you

[hexed coyote]

I wanna use Pharaoh kubrrow for mecha set tho

[nova swift]

Thats fair, he can still heal you but much less so then panzer

[coral crest]

He doesn't have a good aura slot

You can run whatever

[hexed coyote]

Mecha set goated for lavos

[coral crest]

It's build dependent

Mecha set doesn't synergize with Lavos in any way

It just does its own thing

It does its own thing good but mecha Lavos is just a psyop

Because it made people suddenly use anything that isn't their stupid chud son named panzer

[hexed coyote]

The status spread from the marked target

[coral crest]

Literally any frame can do it

And anyone can do it better than him if you have a primer weapon

[nova swift]

if thats your criteria then every frame is better then lavos

[coral crest]

You don't need status spread for mecha set, you only need to prime one enemy with like a couple damage statuses which are already on the menu

[coral crest]

Every frame can run mecha set, and many frames run it better than Lavos

People ignore 90% of his kit and see mecha set do something because they never used this combination of mods before

And connect the dots thinking it's some sort of Lavos thing

Because they just blindly copy shit

Anyone with a primer or any sort of singular damage status can outshit Lavos on the mecha front

And I'm saying it as one of the most unhinged Lavos defenders here

It just doesn't synergize with him. People simply parrot builds

[remote bluff]

Any help pls?

[gleaming oasis]

with what

[coral crest]

Literally the only thing that works for him in this scenario is mecha pulse

[remote bluff]

I am having a problem when trying to do Multiplatform Progress Saving, it is giving the following error: Could not find MS code

[coral crest]

And you have much more consistent ways to gain armor

[brazen jay]

How do I make my mirage survive longer cus her shield always getting destroyed. Currently using brief respite, catalysing shields and fast deflection

[gleaming oasis]

if its crosssave its should be done through the official site

[coral crest]

What does mecha set do? It spreads damaging status in self propagation

Having damaging status isn't exactly a strictly Lavos thing

[remote bluff]

I tried to do it through the Warframe website, it's giving this error: Could not find MS code

[coral crest]

Mecha Lavos was born out of people's complete ignorance regarding his kit

[remote bluff]

Do I have to do the tutorial first?

[coral crest]

Literally any heat frame will do mecha better

[novel bear]

Brief respite is for casting abilities whenever shields go down
Fast deflection is to let your shields recharge by themselves
Choose one or the other, and if you use fast deflection, you should also use arcane aegis

[brazen jay]

Thanks

[hexed coyote]

Then what should I build Lavos?

[coral crest]

You must learn how to use him and see what could help you achieve what you want

Idk figure it out yourself

Lavos is special because he has shown the capacity to change

[nova swift]

nothing because apparently every frame can do mecha better and lavos cant shield gate and has terrible damage on his abilities so his only value is a valence formation runner but then might as well run mirage or saryn

[coral crest]

Make the change, figure it out

[gleaming oasis]

odd. I would suggest using the support and bugs channel to see if anyone more qualified than me can help you out.use it to submit your issue

[coral crest]

You are just proving my point that people don't understand how he works

Yeah anyone with a primer gun can use mecha better

Or you can use Temple

Probably the best mecha user unironically

[nova swift]

So your lavos build is better because you dont two mecha mods? Better at what?

[coral crest]

That's not what I'm talking about

[gleaming oasis]

any advice for my scyotid build. figured enervate could be useful with the scattershots and could use some fire rate buffs

[coral crest]

Are you actually reading what I'm saying or just taking it as some sort of offense?

I am willing to geniunely clear things up if something is missing

All I'm saying is that Lavos is geniunely not giving anything special to mecha set, nor mecha set is giving Lavos anything special

Anyone can use it to the same or even better extent if they have access to any sort of reliable DoT priming

[nova swift]

No I get it, there are much better options to be effective in this game then playing lavos. Especially if you want to make use of mecha

[coral crest]

You are missing my point again

[nova swift]

But sometimes you want to play a frame cause you like their playstyle

[coral crest]

That's the PROBLEM

This isn't a Lavos playstyle, this is literally just mecha doing it's thing separate from Lavos

Just proving my point that people don't know anything about him outside of valence mecha

[nova swift]

please, educate me

[coral crest]

How is he supposed to be used outside of that?

[nova swift]

Yea

[coral crest]

Well, let's start from the fact that all of his abilities give cc

In one way or another, enemies are interrupted on every single cast

even opened to finishers in case of 1

[tepid scaffold]

Best lavos is Evade lavos

[coral crest]

Best Lavos is Lavos that people actually learn to play instead of lobotomizing him with a copied build

He's not the strongest, far from it

[tepid scaffold]

Nah free corrosive/heat + invis (crepuscular etc) is best

[coral crest]

But people miss the point so damn badly with him

[nova swift]

but you are already using this naturally no? I thought it was logical that stuff like cold transmutation probe or radiation catalyse exists

[coral crest]

Catalyze, here it is

You're saying his damage is bad even though you are supposed to have a rotation that makes him nuke with his 4

He does not have valence formation in his base kit

[nova swift]

nah if you use catalyse with radiation, you use it for cc

[coral crest]

He is a caster

[tepid scaffold]

His 4 requires far too much setup to actually be worthwhile

[coral crest]

It depends on how you actually approach it

[nova swift]

if you want damage on his 4 you need to have some way to spread more status then just his 3 or 2

[coral crest]

You know

Like having a priming pet instead of the dumb mecha Kubrow

A pet that would offload half your Catalyze setup

[tepid scaffold]

Nah.

He's meant to be a caster and nuker

But

In reality he isn't.

He is best used as a wep platform with infinite invisibility

[coral crest]

He literally is. Just because there's a more optimal build that compromises his identity doesn't mean shit

[tepid scaffold]

Bruh

[coral crest]

Use him however you like

[tepid scaffold]

Sticking thermal sunder on any frame is a better nuker then lavos and his entire kit

You can deny reality all you want

[coral crest]

I was never talking about viability

Y'all can't think outside of a kpm pissing contest

[tepid scaffold]

His kit isn't that good, and the best build is not based around his 4

[coral crest]

You geniunely are missing the point of the conversation

I was not arguing for viability, you can go make out with slamquinox or something

He is a very demanding caster that doesn't give as much payoff as literally any of the strong casters

The dialogue was not about viability in the slightest

Can you at least for a moment shove your head out of the exolizer bubble

[tepid scaffold]

Best build for endurance content 🙂

[coral crest]

Literally my only point was that mecha set does nothing special on Lavos

[tepid scaffold]

Agreed

[coral crest]

That's IT

how about you read what I wrote next

[tepid scaffold]

Why did you bring up cascade lmao

[coral crest]

Because the game is so casual and dumbed down nowadays the only realistic scenario anyone would argue for "viability" or "optimization" is if they have 9999 in their profile tag

[tepid scaffold]

Just use auto-mod then

[coral crest]

Again I already stated my point and you agreed with me

[tepid scaffold]

It'll make builds for you that are viable for base sp

[coral crest]

Idk where this conversation went, it was you who started waffling about viability

[tepid scaffold]

Yeah but you are openly hostile based on my discord tag

[coral crest]

Oh sorry I wasn't meant to express hostility

[deep grotto]

wtf is even going on here

[coral crest]

Geniunely

I just used this turn of phrase to refer to level cap cascade runs or endurance in general

Wasn't meant for it to come off in any way aggressive :(

Seriously though, I'd rather have you read what I was writing originally before joining in on the discussion

You know, to not jump in without context

[tepid scaffold]

No idea lol

I jokingly said Evade lavos is best lavos and derailed a mecha set discussion

[coral crest]

Yeah basically

All I was saying is that mecha isn't special on Lavos. And people just got the idea that it's a thing only because it was the only time in their life they were told to use mecha set

[tepid scaffold]

Agreed

Mecha set isn't even that good

C bond + furis/heat wep = far better then mecha set

[coral crest]

Yeah hes a super demanding caster and nowhere near as effective as any other caster that has the same damage potential

But he is still at core designed as caster, and there are much better pet builds for that playstyle to support him

That was basically my whole point

[nova swift]

I kind of disagree? His 4 only gets damage from elemental status effects so you either play a hound that spends most of its time on the ground, or a sentinel but in those 2 cases your 4 kinda falls off and you need its full duration to kill lvl 200-300 enemies

in that case you want a primer, but then im like what does the pet do there? Might as well run a panzer and ignore his 4

[coral crest]

Huh? Not sure how your Catalyze falls off this early

[tepid scaffold]

Which is when I came in and said Evade lavos is best lavos lol

[coral crest]

It has the damage needed for a pretty long while

[tepid scaffold]

And that he's best used as a wep platform

[coral crest]

Tbh with right equipment you can easily compensate for a subsume even if you're adamant on playing caster

And evade belongs to a frame that reused an old visual design for Lavos

So you're just reclaiming what was stolen

[tepid scaffold]

I wrote a guide for (yeah lvl cap) lavos in the cascade discord.

Evade > all other lavos builds

[coral crest]

Viability is not a question here, caster lavos is horrific for most people and not in a good way, and it would never catch up to most casters

I still enjoy it much more

[hexed coyote]

Mecha set coin power conditionals

[coral crest]

Mecha set can eat my

Uhhh what do I have

[fierce lark]

ass

[coral crest]

Do I now

[fierce lark]

if you are anatomically human, the probability is high

[coral crest]

Am i

[trim hill]

nuclearBox AI client installed

[coral crest]

Unfortunately, we end as we began

With weapon platforming

[leaden thistle]

I mean, their name states they are an object of irradiation

[tepid scaffold]

If it makes you feel any better he does have to cycle to corrosive/heat for damage and gas to maintain Evade lol

[coral crest]

Ehh I already know ins and outs

I'm merely caster lavos' strongest soldier

Viability isn't my concern as much as one might think, I just wanted to clear out misinformation

[hexed coyote]

Best cedo arcanes for my Lavos?

[coral crest]

Yes I'm evil and woke

And falling apart

[hexed coyote]

Not woke enough

[coral crest]

Don't worry things are yet to come

[hexed coyote]

Woke harder, NOW!

[coral crest]

Maybe I'll make a fursona for myself

[tepid scaffold]

Nty

[tepid scaffold]

I'll grab my furis/ignis

[coral crest]

In the big 2026?

[hexed coyote]

I heard blight is good for cedo

[coral crest]

It probably is

[hexed coyote]

Does primary have something like delibetate?

[trim hill]

No

[coral crest]

Debilitate is a primary arcane...

[hexed coyote]

I thought it was a secondary arcane

[trim hill]

It's a primary one

[late hemlock]

you probably mixing with encumber

[trim hill]

Secondary Cucumber is kinda like Primary Deliberate, yeah

[coral crest]

Also having access to cooldown shrinking for evade only plays up to the fact Cyte design was originally made for Lavos

Evade is truly him just reclaiming his long lost legacy, if you go this route

But my heart will only belong to the caster loop

[hexed coyote]

Melee blight or debilitate?

Primary blight*

For cedo

[tepid scaffold]

Debilitate

[late hemlock]

they serve different purposes so im not sure what the point of comparison is

[hexed coyote]

I wanna get one of them for my lavos's cedo prime

[trim hill]

It depends on how you intend to use the weapon, is what was meant

[gleaming oasis]

does anyone have any experience using the scyotid?

[nova swift]

blight if you want to shoot dudes with the mainfire, debilitate if you are just priming with the altfire

[hexed coyote]

I use it sometimes for dps but if too much enemies I use it as a primer

[trim hill]

Probably go with Blight, then

[ruby iris]

What is a good ignis wraith builds

This is my current build

I mainly use it with koumei if that changes anything

[trim hill]

I'd suggest viral+heat, and maybe a splash of crit

[ruby iris]

So what could I change about my current build like what do I take out

[steady stirrup]

a fella progressed too fast, now i keep getting my ass kicked lmao. where do i get better mods?

[trim hill]

Oh here it is.

First thing's first, you gotta level up those ability mods

[steady stirrup]

for sure for sure, i am currently grinding for credits

[trim hill]

After that, you may want to consider running some Dragon Vaults on star chart missions on Deimos to get corrupted mods.

[steady stirrup]

ooh ok, thanks!

[trim hill]

Just be sure if you're running solo to bring all 4 keys. You will be harshly gimped, but being able to guarantee one corrupted mod per run is very much worth it.

[steady stirrup]

thanks for the help boss i greatly appreciate it

[trim hill]

I'm just the signpost. You're the one putting in the work 💪

[woven drift]

What's the best type of melee for the shock trooper influence slop
I will list the melees I currently use for it
I more so just want to actually stick to a melee because I've been indecisive for the past few days about it

Gram prime, nami solo, coda hirudo,thalys, okina prime and redeemer prime

[celest thicket]

i believe i may have gotten a decent amount of iron skin

[celest thicket]

sincerely ? all of them are pretty good , depends alot on which stances you like the most, or if you like using melee at all

[trim hill]

Arca Titron be wiping football fields these days

[woven drift]

Yeah the main issue I have is I like to have a flow if that makes sense to not feel like each combo feels like my kullervo is stuck for a second while running

[lavish orbit]

If u use shock trooper I would say Hate, so his incarnon doesn't twist with electric, you can influence over his projectile, just has Okina iirc

[woven drift]

True I do have my hate all built

[celest thicket]

personally , between these weapons , i would prefer to use the gram prime with tempo royale, it feels really good to use it, its a very nice flowing stance.

its not the strongest one, but with influence slop it still nukes just fine

[trim hill]

Nunchaku have some of the most fun combos imo, with an unstopping forward combo, too

[woven drift]

I'll have a look into that

[celest thicket]

thats true, right now my favorite melee weapons are fists, i really like seismic palm , all the slam attacks mid combos feel really cool, sadly you need a slot with reach for it feel good

[hexed coyote]

Whats are some good mods for the pharoah kubrrow?

[fair swan]

Anyone got any sevagoth builds that i can steal

[celest thicket]

you mean predasite pharaoh ?

[hexed coyote]

Yep

[hollow mantle]

Does Melee Crescendo work on Ash's Shadow Clones??

[lavish orbit]

Yes

[celest thicket]

this is the one i use on mine

[lavish orbit]

Only Careen and Duplicate is bugged right now

[hollow mantle]

So all the others work?

[lavish orbit]

Yes

[celest thicket]

bugged how ?

[lavish orbit]

Got to the forum, seems like duplicate doesn't duplicate and careen doesn't freeze

I did test careen but not duplicate

[celest thicket]

should careen freeze ? all exalted weapons only freeze when you have them active or no melee weapon equipped

[lavish orbit]

Careen should freeze when you roll in

Maybe it only works with no melee and/or ash 4th in use but that would be just bad then

[celest thicket]

test it again on the shadow clones without melee weapon

it will work, thats how it works for atlas landslide

in short , melee careen is not very good on pseudo exalted

[late hemlock]

Careen doesnt work on psudeo exalted

Doesn't work on atlas or gara as well.

Don't think its a bug

[celest thicket]

unless you freeze them beforehand, then the damage bonus will apply

[lavish orbit]

Am not ingame, I'll test maybe tomorrow

exposure/retaliate(iirc it's the one that add damage depending of your shield) are the best on ash shadow clone, influence works but the low status makes it almost useless, same has vortex, I think it's Ninjase that got a funny build gas shadow clone with heat + proton snap that is really good for hl content

[nova swift]

yea retaliate is really good on him, either that or the funi blast vortex memes

proton snap is more damage as you can slot in more damage instead of weeping wounds but its not required if you hate the wall latch

[celest thicket]

i personally prefer exposure, really easy to stack it , but the corrosive damage doesnt help him that much since you know, finisher damage

[nova swift]

yea and it also kinda dilutes the gas/blast damage

[late hemlock]

I hate activating Proton ngl

[hollow mantle]

Why is it 20% higher on Overframe bro I'm just trying to see conditionals...

[celest thicket]

that..doesnt seem correct

[hollow mantle]

5% Crit chance is 25% to overslop I guess

[lavish orbit]

Just, why there is IPS damages ?

[hollow mantle]

I'm trying to see if Bloodrush is worth it because I am not putting some stupid bane mod on him

[nova swift]

if you want to do buildcrafting you can use underframe. its a bit more accurate

[celest thicket]

can be decent if you can keep your combo up or use naramon

[hollow mantle]

Melee Crescendo:

[late hemlock]

Archgun:

[celest thicket]

oh if you use crescendo then you should just put it there already

[nova swift]

https://www.underframe.site/vshare/434983/ash-retaliation

[celest thicket]

no reason not to use bloodrush

[nova swift]

https://www.underframe.site/vshare/024290/ash-blade-gas

[celest thicket]

i personally dont like bane mods either , im too lazy to change it

[hollow mantle]

Primed Sure Footed

Immediate ignore

[nova swift]

ahahaha I dont even have that much forma on him

just checking to see if it fits

not that it matters, its kinda lame to gatekeep people based on arbitrary reasons

[lavish orbit]

Blood rush make high crit, WA is even more good

[celest thicket]

this is the only kind of PSF that i use (im too lazy to forma most frames to fit it)

[hollow mantle]

And it doesnt even have an apply conditionals option which is the entire reason I'm trying this stupid shi

[nova swift]

Yea blood rush/weeping wounds are kinda rough because of the 5% chances

[hollow mantle]

😭

[nova swift]

you want to meme it up with WA, snap and crepuscular to pump up the numbers

[hollow mantle]

nvm the page was glitched, thank god.

[lavish orbit]

Snap + Heat will lake high damage gas for high density and WA is just cherry on cake to one shot things

Crepuscular of course !!

[nova swift]

Yea its really funny to see your perita party all confused cause the 5 vanguard vaporized instantly

[hollow mantle]

5% Crit Chance --> 32.50%

Atrocious

Not that it matters though I'm like 99% sure Ash can instant kill at lvl cap w/o this

[nova swift]

got roared once, started to hit damage cap on the gas build which doesnt even have max possible damage

https://www.underframe.site/vshare/177158/ash-blades-damage this would be for max damage

oh yea, rakta dark dagger heavy slam is 100% radiation, so you can insta fill your shields with a heavy slam and have max retaliation up basically all the time

[celest thicket]

thats less than i thought, could be funny with a adarza kavat tho

[lavish orbit]

I never thought about that

[nova swift]

ive got a 1k words markdown going in depth on Ash ;D

comparing all weapons, companions and loadout options

and I discovered a place to use a kuva chakkhurr for exhilerate stacking on ash ;D

[hollow mantle]

My goal is silly lvl caps

Think I got it

[nova swift]

Tenacious bond too, its base crit multi is kinda horrible too

[graceful plank]

What's a way I can keep the range but get the strength back up?

[hollow mantle]

Umbral Intensify
Augur Secrets
Power Drift
Crimson Archon Shards
Molt Augmented

[late hemlock]

Yeah uh its way too early to talk about arcanes or shards here

[hollow mantle]

He asked

Clearly spent money on the game, and has corrupted mods

[nocturne spindle]

How'd you know they paid

[timber ocean]

what do i do to increase thes4e

[tepid scaffold]

1 tau purple for equilibrium effect

2 tau casting speed

2 tau red for str

Arcane steadfast + mystic bond dirigia build

[fierce lark]

where multishot

[pseudo tartan]

xaku prime build?

[digital gust]

Is ability range good for nyx?

[pallid quiver]

what stats should i build for on paris prime? just pure crit?

[tepid scaffold]

Yes

[tropic zodiac]

Is there any way other than true steel and riven to give companion melees crit chance?

I have 46% cr on a hound. Im so close to 50 but i dont think im getting a higher riven

[charred gale]

Sacrifical steel gives more than true steel, blood rush gives up to 460% crit chance at 12x combo, the gladiator set gives crit chance for combo as well but that depends on how mant gladiator mods u have on

[charred gale]

Oh hound

[tropic zodiac]

None of those can be installed on hound

[charred gale]

Yeah i realize

Mb i didnt read it properly😭

[nocturne spindle]

i'm afraid as of currently there is no way for a hound weapon to reach a crit chance of 50% or higher 😭

plz DE let me use tenacious bond on my murder bot

[tropic zodiac]

So probably not any other way to boost crit. Gotta hope for prime steel (if we have archon and prime flow, idk why we cant have prime and sacrificial steel)

[charred gale]

All of them have the same dispo too😭

[cold salmon]

probably not practical for ur use case but i believe harrow's 4th do affect companion

oh, there's hunter synergy

[tropic zodiac]

Not applicable for hounds sadly

[charred gale]

Does that work?

Yeah they arent claws

[nocturne spindle]

set: claws

wrong gif

[cold salmon]

💀

[tropic zodiac]

Maybe if your using venari + hound, it might spaghetti code into working?

[nocturne spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1300563026327638148.gif?size=56&quality=lossless

[charred gale]

Nah it doesnt work, venari is its own thing

[restive swan]

Arcane Peristance on Oberon, yay or nay

[tropic zodiac]

Damn, i rolled a really high cr riven too hoping it would be enough. I got 246% (for hound weapon)

[charred gale]

😭

[nocturne spindle]

😭

[cold salmon]

😭

[cold salmon]

probably nay? He got his passive and paired that with universal fallout u will basically be revenant 2.0

[restive swan]

I was thinking about because "hehe, funny armor numbers" but u probably right

[shell ridge]

Whats a good caliban shard setup?

[nocturne spindle]

cast speed and duration? it's flexible so just go for what you think you need

[restive swan]

Blue shards for shields or energy might be good. Red for power strength, maybe purple equilibrium shards in place of normal blues for energy econ

[shell ridge]

Alr

[restive swan]

Oh, maybe amber for casting speed too

But tbh Caliban doesn't NEED much far as shards go IMO. So pretty much up to taste

[cold salmon]

5 tauforged parkour velocity 🫡 trust me
-# u will hate me later

[nocturne spindle]

rocketboots caliban weeee

[shell ridge]

Does nourish affect the sentients?

From caliban

[nocturne spindle]

yes

[shell ridge]

Are any of the abilities worth replacing?

[nocturne spindle]

i replaced fusion strike cuz armor stripping isn't that needed anymore

[shell ridge]

Doesnt it do good dmg tho

Using the augment to group n shit

[nocturne spindle]

the razor gyre augment makes the summons do more than enough damage to kill hordes imo

[shell ridge]

Oh alr

Should i still use the eq shards

Equillibrium

[restive swan]

If you're subsuming nourish, I would do it over razor gyre since nourish will cover most of your energy needs anyway

[shell ridge]

Im using razor gyre augment

So its good

[restive swan]

Then I would not do the thing I suggested. fusion strike is probably the next best thing to replace even though personally, I like da lazers

[shell ridge]

Alr

Thx

[restive swan]

But you can definitely get by without it cause tbh razor gyre with its augment AND Nourish will probably out damage fusion strike

[nocturne spindle]

yea with those two fusion strike becomes just a waste of energy if anything lol

[restive swan]

But I am a sucker for da lazors

Also rant about the Helminth system: Why wont DE let me subsume the same ability but over something different in each slot? Like why cant I have a build that has say roar (on someone other then Rhino, obv) over my 1st in one slot, but then in another slot have roar over like my 3rd or something?

[nocturne spindle]

you mean you wanna swap ability positions

[restive swan]

Like to make a clearer example

Loadout A: I have nourish subsumed over my 1st ability.

For loadout B on the same frame, I want to try subsume nourish again but over a different base ability

Why can I not do this DE? >:V

Maybe I want a Rhino with Nourish but over either his 1 or 4!

[nocturne spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive swan]

I was literally trying to do this kind of thing with Oberon the other day but then I remembered "Oh right, Helminth doesn't like being TOO convenient!"

[cold salmon]

time to get a 2nd oberon

[restive swan]

Too many goats

[forest pivot]

Does summoner's wrath work for Blaze Artillery

[tawdry trail]

wiki says no

[forest pivot]

Bummer

[tawdry trail]

💔

[kind compass]

is toxin or radiation progenitor better on dual coda torxica? I was thinking of running secondary irradiate on it but i'm not sure if that worth it over a toxin progenitor that I can get viral with easily

[nocturne spindle]

get an elemental vice and test every progen element

[tawdry trail]

toxin might give you more options, you can get radiation from mods now so it's still accessible

elemental vice is also a good idea

[kind compass]

😭 dawg i aint got time for that

[nocturne spindle]

believe in yourself

[kind compass]

that said i genuinely do not have time to test everything

i'll see i might keep my deadhead build with toxin instead for now

i can always change it later

[nocturne spindle]

i got a vice on my torxicas, i should test irradiate

i run em with cascadia flare atm

[kind compass]

cascadia flare?

hmmm that does seem pretty good

[nocturne spindle]

arcane from the zariman, p good

[kind compass]

im using deadhead myself
pretty basic but ye

i have a spare vice, maybe i shld try that once i manage to finally get my hands on more cascadia flares

[kind compass]

btw if i put cascadia flare on my secondary weapon then use mesa's regulators, does it proc?

[nocturne spindle]

flare is wacky because it adds stacks when heat is applied from ANY source

example: nova with neutron star augment + cascadia flare
press 1 once in a group, instant max stacks

[kind compass]

but does the damage apply only to the secondary that it's slotted into?

or does it apply to the regulators too

[nocturne spindle]

i believe it's purely for the equipped weapon

[cold salmon]

yep, u can stack flare with any heat source, but only the weapon with flare equipped with reap the benefit

else it will be broken as hell, imagine cascadia flare on regulator + secondary + archgun 💀

[nocturne spindle]

lmao

[sly dragon]

what would be better for a wisp prime slam build with sampotes as wisps aura mod, ready steel or steel charge?

[lusty goblet]

Anyone got a good Gauss Prime Build

[cold salmon]

ready steel, since steel charge stacks additively with pressure point and such

while combos are multiplicative

[hardy niche]

i need help building an azothane around this riven

[sly dragon]

well isnt it good that it stacks with those mods?

[nocturne spindle]

stacking additively and stacking multiplicatively are very different

2+3 is smaller than 2x3

[sly dragon]

ohh alright sorry man im new to all that

[nocturne spindle]

once you learn what effects are multiplicative you'll be wanting to use as much of them as possible for max benefit

[cold salmon]

yea, stacking combos are generally gonna be better than stacking melee damage

since each level of combo multiply ur total damage by the level amount, all the way to 12x damage

[rose kayak]

anyone a banshee expert? I wanna be able to hit damage cap with her but no luck

[quasi fog]

Damage cap is difficult but killing level cap you just want resonance and a shotgun like felarx and you’ll cook

[rose kayak]

Word, ty. I heard she was the damage cap queen and she can hit it super easy but idk, just had no luck with it despite super super lucky rng

[desert wigeon]

I'm having trouble with building valkry prime. Anything I can do?

[quasi fog]

I subsume decoy over her 4 and use impetus and the decoy augment with precision intensify. Don’t need to mod power strength really outside that and you can already get lots of damage going + free priming + survivability but only really in solos

[atomic talon]

trying to get into Xaku. struggling with survivability. any tips?

[cold salmon]

shade or huras kubrow, they let u stay invis when u are near enemies

[rose kayak]

That makes sense. I was thinking running evade and running crepuscular with it to hammer out that damage. I can only hit damage cap with banshee if i heavy prime and get a nice overlap on her sonar

[cold salmon]

and as long as u dont attack with ur weapons, u will stay invis

tho this is only applicable for the playstyle where u let the stolen guns deal alll the damage

[atomic talon]

i find my stolen guns don't really keep up

[rose kayak]

they scale with enemy level. just make sure your armor strip is 100%

[quasi fog]

I like evade sometimes but the gameplay loop is a little boring and that’s why decoy was fun cause it does more and keeps me active, but going for specifically 1 you could theoretically boost eclipse like crazy

[atomic talon]

this is my build

[cold salmon]

hmm, how much range u got? U want as much range as possible for more guns, since their damage scales with enemy level, as long as u have positive range u need not worry about their damage scaling

[rose kayak]

like the mirage subsume? I thought it was nerfed pretty bad

[quasi fog]

It probably was, has been a minute since I’ve even used it

[rose kayak]

i think you want a bit more range for max guns? not sure, but i know max guns are 15

also i have 166% str and corrosive and it full armor strips just barely

you need a little more strength :)

[atomic talon]

i don't got da space for more strength