builds-discussion

[proven prairie]

Fun fact- Duplex bond has them mimic everything

[marble hollow]

Tbh I only want it so I can crit with Calibans summons using Tenacious Bond

Its not even noticeable really. But when you have 6k hours in this game, you can afford a few luxuries

[fierce lark]

duplex bond companions don't use abilities, so they're just attacking with whatever is modded on the weapon

duplex'd panzers won't do any viral

there's also like...no room for it on the panzer lol

[marble hollow]

Yeah, I dont use duplex on my panzer.

Would've been a great way to spread viral, but they dont do abilities. And my panzer ONLY does abilities

[fierce lark]

i only use duplex on things using a tazicor, as the one companion weapon that can prime on its own without abilities or manifold

[marble hollow]

I mainly use duplex for primer companions

So basically Duriga

[proven prairie]

It's more for melee combo count/ and the spreading of electric

[late hemlock]

duplex on a companion with well built claws is pretty strong tbf

im running duplex on my sunika and its just going ham

[sullen python]

Does that 300% cc stack with the weapons cc?

[fierce lark]

yes but it's independent

it's a final +300% crit chance

[proven prairie]

Funny thing- if by some way my panzer goes down. i think duplex bond mimics the infant form

[sullen python]

oh

[proven prairie]

So it does end up spreadinf viral

[sullen python]

i was hoping id be able to do 600% cc with it 😢

[fierce lark]

you can, thats what i meant

[sullen python]

ohhh

[fierce lark]

like it doesn't care about your weapon's crit, you just gain 300% crit chance when you shoot crystals

[sullen python]

didnt see the edit mb

sweet, i might need to grind for her now

[fierce lark]

wait no, i think im wrong

i just double checked and wiki says it "sets" the weapon crit chance to 300% so im completely wrong there lol

[sullen python]

ah thats a shame, no worries

[fierce lark]

mb

[proven prairie]

Anyone got any reccomended zaw builds for plague kripath? I wanna give Uriel his demon spear for flavoring

Like- I'm torn between making it lean more towards status or crit. And What would the reccomended attack speed be?

[fierce lark]

i haven't touched kitguns yet, but from what ive seen, every chamber wants haymaker/tremor & splat

wait you said zaw lol nvm

[mighty flare]

how are you going to use it? if its just for exodia contagion, then its just Seekalla + Vargeet II Jai
in general, you prefer speed parts for zaws like seekalla over shtung

[proven prairie]

I was gonna try to hybridize for Exodia force for the status proc spread

Since my usual combo involves using the 2 galvanized mods, galv. Steel and the condition one

[vital sail]

IDK first attempt to make a weapon platform saryn. i never had a point to make one just makeing one for stupid reasons

[lyric pebble]

anyone have any recommendations on a koumei build?

[obtuse remnant]

Any Oraxia mains that can tell me if this is good?

[late hemlock]

get venom dose on there

and roar is probably going to get you more general use over xata since saryn got super strong DOTs with lash

[novel bear]

It is there

[late hemlock]

oh wasnt looking enough then lol mid mission

[vital sail]

xata lets me quad dip thats why i went for it over rawr

[marble hollow]

Kinda dunno what to put on my Caliban

Arcane wise, I mean. I kinda feel like Camisado isn't all that useful

[late hemlock]

thats just free 60% on his one trick pony

what else would you put there

[marble hollow]

I have 300% strength, I dont really need more. That slot can go to something else more useful

[late hemlock]

if you feel like you do overkill amounts of damage then ig change it to some qol arcane or survivability

conversly you can also remove a strength mod and keep the arcane and put a survivability / qol mod

[marble hollow]

Nah, Camisado is annoying with its strength cause it goes away per cast

Which isn't good for Caliban cause he cant really snapshot the buff aside from his minions

[proven prairie]

Molt augmented is a good option

[marble hollow]

Again, not struggling for strength really

I'll find something in time I suppose

[late hemlock]

augmented is just the same amount of strength but camisado gives you that instantly

so if you dont need strength just change it out entirely

put aegis or something universal i suppose lol

[proven prairie]

It depends on your build. I use camisado/molt augmented cause I use his augment to make him a summoner class

[marble hollow]

I have aegis on already. Just looking for something else

[marble hollow]

I have a base 300% with his augment, I dont need more from arcanes so I'm just looking for anything else

[fierce lark]

camisado on caliban is incredible

razor gyre gives the ortholysts meth

and they speedrun back to 60%

[marble hollow]

I dont think its all that crazy tbh

[late hemlock]

what he's saying is that he does not want power strength

in which case go and put circumvent or something idk

[fierce lark]

oh

uh +60% strength is nice for the inevitable nourish you're gonna run because it applies to orths

[marble hollow]

The speed boost is irrelevant because the sentients teleport to you anyways. And the strength buff is irrelevant for me since I'm already at 300%

I dont run Nourish either

[fierce lark]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marble hollow]

I dont use a helminth with Caliban, I dont really think he needs one.

[proven prairie]

Uhh.. hm

[marble hollow]

Though Nourish and Roar work great with him

[fierce lark]

he doesn't need one, but his 4 is ass so having one is cool

[proven prairie]

Theorem arcanes

[marble hollow]

I love his 4 personally. Aoe defense strip is great

[fierce lark]

nourish makes ortholysts apply viral which is every bit as disgusting as it sounds

[proven prairie]

specifically theorem infection

[marble hollow]

And sure, you can have the elec procs double dip with Roar but it just doesn't feel needed.

[fierce lark]

roar is worse than nourish

bc summoner's wrath is % faction damage

additive to roar

[marble hollow]

I know, but I see Roar on him

A lot

[fierce lark]

probably people who don't realize summoners & roar are the same multiplier, or don't realize nourish is adding another very large % damage to ortholysts as viral and letting them apply viral as well

[marble hollow]

Yeah idk why you'd ever run Roar over Nourish. Especially since Razor Gyre and Arch Stretch are affected by the energy multiplier

[late hemlock]

Goes to show how obscure the game is when stuff like that is never explained in game

[fierce lark]

again, nourish is because the ortholysts gain the viral damage buff and also apply viral status with it

[marble hollow]

Yeah, Summoners Wrath should at least explain its multiplicative. Roar should too, tbh.

[fierce lark]

it's not for the energy, caliban has infinite energy

[marble hollow]

I'm just adding another pro, not saying that the benefit is specifically better than Ortho viral %

[nova swift]

the summons when hit also create the viral aoe making them good primers by just existing

[marble hollow]

It just has another synergy with Caliban over Roar

[fierce lark]

oh you mispoke

you meant "roar over nourish" not "roar or nourish" i presume lol

[marble hollow]

Oh yeah, a typo

[fierce lark]

i would recognize this if not for the fact that they kill things so fast you won't get a chance to shoot your freshly primed target

lol

[marble hollow]

Despite it all, I still choose to forego a helminth. Mainly because Fusion Strike looks cool, and I've always enjoyed defense strips

Razor Mortar does so much damage that it doesn't matter anyways

[blissful ocean]

Any lorak builds?

[marble hollow]

Yeah I got one

Realistically, you're taking off Osbok for Haras probably

[late hemlock]

No way you remember these mods by names

[marble hollow]

I just use Osbok for Thaxx cause I do level cap runs

[glass rampart]

What's a good helminth for Gyre that isn't pillage

[marble hollow]

I really like the new Tauron strike system

[glass rampart]

Not hard to remember them

If you learn enough

[marble hollow]

Roar

[glass rampart]

That isn't Roar or Pillage

[marble hollow]

Then it depends

[glass rampart]

I'm running reverse Rotorswell and that fixed like 90% of her survivability issues

[marble hollow]

Better grouping probably works

[blissful ocean]

Is that the one that adds heat damage or sumthn to ur weapons for the rest of the mission?

[marble hollow]

So maybe Airburst or Ensnare

[blissful ocean]

Actually I forgot what those two do lmao

[marble hollow]

Nah, its the one that gives fire rate. But the heat one is probably the best arcane for all-rounders

If you use secondaries at least

[blissful ocean]

Oh yeah I wanna use that for hotshot Mesa

[marble hollow]

Then go with that. Rest of the build I showed off is for raw amp damage

[fierce lark]

cold ward lmao

[marble hollow]

What does that do for her?

[fierce lark]

im trying to find a source but i could've sworn rotorswell could trigger melee influence

and cold ward's damage redirection is melee damage

so it would make you spread cold procs whenever you get hit

[marble hollow]

That sounds kinda inefficient

Especially for just cold procs

[fierce lark]

it is inefficient, it's garbage

they said no roar no pillage, im guessing that also means no nourish

at that point you're looking for something fun rather than something good

so im looking through the subsume list trying to find funny interactions

[marble hollow]

Kinda just goes to show how crap (or at least niche) a lot of the helminth options are

Aside from the top picks, each frame only really has an ability or two that can compliment their kit

[fierce lark]

i think it's more how overwhelmingly prevalent roar and nourish are, due to the strength of viral as a status and faction damage

it's pretty hard to think of creative ways to augment your kit when you have the universal option of "trade my worst ability to double the damage of all my other abilities"

[marble hollow]

Its especially prevalent when people would rather take that damage increases over actual synergies an ability gives in a frames kit

People would happily take off an ability from Lavos, removing three entire element options just to slap on more damage

Nourish is only slightly less prevalent because at least it offers something more than just damage. So an argument can be made that it patches several holes a frame has, but its still giving off the same issue Roar does

[karmic badger]

Nourish has decent competition now that brightbonnet exists

I've rarely used nourish as a damage option, it was mostly the energy economy

[fathom sky]

Roar is just way too generic and good to not use over a lot of stuff that could potentially increase DPS

[karmic badger]

Its quite literally universal faction buff

[pallid quiver]

brightbonnet my favorite musroom it heals and u can jump on it

• it gives more energy than protea's dispensary

[karmic badger]

Bounce on that Thang crazy style

[marble hollow]

I used both, Nourish is just such a great ability

[fierce lark]

im trying to think who i still run nourish on

rhino, mesa, caliban, temple, cyte, gara, oraxia and khora

and out of those 8, 4 are because roar isn't an option

[old marsh]

Add Vauban in there too

Coz YOU will use him

[late hemlock]

Hotshot vauban orbs are pretty funny with nourish yeah

[fierce lark]

maybe after rework smile

[late hemlock]

Honestly idk how much he will even change in terms of just spamming flechette

[marble hollow]

What are you putting on to proc hotshot?

[fierce lark]

companion manifold heat

[marble hollow]

Photon Strike is looking to be really strong after the changes, same with Bastille

But yeah, it'll always be Fleshet with Nourish to the meta andies

Can't go wrong with that

[marble hollow]

The fact that works is insane

[late hemlock]

I'll wait and see but I highly highly doubt photon strike is gonna be outdoing flechette

Flechette just crits for millions

You can throw it around and also don't need an augment

The issue is that he just got 2 damage abilities that cost 50 energy now so I find it hard to justify using one over the better alternative I guess

[marble hollow]

Yeah Photon is probably still gonna be subsumed off 💀

Unless it's doing millions of damage in a single caste, its just gonna be a Nourish slot

[frigid crater]

You all think pablo needs to wake up, look at his ceiling and see the subsumes statistics and how roar is still top 1?

[late hemlock]

Don't think you can solve helminth, too late

[fathom sky]

A lot of its issues stem from many Warframes having that one ability that's entirely useless. A frame like Gauss is better in that regard since not using a subsume on him is more than viable but he's definitely the exception here.

[late hemlock]

Reworking frames is definitely the way to go compared to playing whackamole with the ever changing meta helminth ability

But that would still need so much resources its never going to cover all the frames that desperately need it for said throwaway ability

[marble hollow]

Its probably Steve who does that. He REALLY didn't like Roar being a top meta pick

[fathom sky]

Would be better to just target the frames who have That One Bad Ability like Mesa's 1 or Khora's 3

[frigid crater]

It also doesn't help How some frames have abilities that will only work with them, so their strongest ability needs to be their subsume

[late hemlock]

Way too many frames get more value from a subsume over an original ability it will never end

[marble hollow]

Even he has 1 "okay-ish" ability. He's part of a small group of frames who don't really need a subsume

[frigid crater]

Nokko is a pretty good example
WHY DOES HE GIVE ENERGY TO CHANALIZED ABILITIES LMAO

[late hemlock]

And they kept making it worse by adding stuff like nourish or advance or eclipse

[marble hollow]

I think those are fine additions. The issue is that majority of the abilities aren't as good

[mighty flare]

do you mean like exodia force + influence? you'd just run the usually speed part (seekalla) with a status part (Ekwana II Jai/Ruhang ) and compensate the less crit chance with wa/hot shot

[fathom sky]

It's like how Augments are an issue because they have to be stronger than the slot they're using anyway but that one is far too entrenched an issue anyway

[marble hollow]

I wouldn't mind more abilities like Wrathful or Bright Bonnet. But they should all be good, not just 3 of em

[proven prairie]

I usually do melee careen with ice storm

[fierce lark]

until you take him to levelcap and realize kinetic plating is more trouble than it's worth and you may as well immortal aegis gate

[spare lake]

I know its not as good as it could be but I just finished my khora build for now for looting/surv anyone got any other pointers?

[left scroll]

Just wanted to share

[fierce lark]

short term racism

[spare lake]

You reminded me that I had a riven I needed too roll to lol

[fierce lark]

drop the magnetic and combo duration mods for 90 elec and 90 cold mods, and drop melee prowess for organ shatter

assuming you don't have galvanized mods, what you have is fine, but as soon as possible you should swap sac mods for galv steel & galv elementalist

also assuming you don't have primed fever strike

run naramon focus school, or dexterity arcanes, if either are an option

[spare lake]

Galvanized doesnt stack on whip

[fierce lark]

yes it does

that used to not be true, but it's not the case anymore

[spare lake]

I looked into it online at least and according to all the sources I was pulling from because its a pseudo galvanized ele and steel doesnt actually stack thats why I went with umbral

[fierce lark]

all exalted weapons benefit properly from galvanized mods, believe it was the same update that added arcanes

[fierce lark]

whatever you looked at was either wrong or outdated

[frigid crater]

Arcane crepuscular works for nullstar?

[fierce lark]

can nullstar crit?

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[frigid crater]

Technically

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[fierce lark]

should work then yeash

[frigid crater]

oh i have a build in mind...

[nova ridge]

what stats should i aim for nami solo?

[spare lake]

@fierce lark Alright well this is what I ended up with

[fierce lark]

• range, attack speed, crit damage, +elec, crit chance, base damage

-IPS/slide crit/finisher

[frigid crater]

Wouldnt It be super funny if the slide meta came back

And the Riven market exploded because of the amount of G-Rolls that have -slide CC

[nova ridge]

what would be the best stat amongst the ones you mentioned?

[fierce lark]

this is probably fine sacrificial pressure is pretty bad especially with all the other stacked base damage but shrug

[fierce lark]

nami solo godroll i believe is AS CD Range -slash

[spare lake]

Im also changinging out sacrificial presssure for prime pressure point

[nova ridge]

ok ty!

[fierce lark]

the ideal mod for that slot would be primed fever strike, assuming you don't own that i would probably stick gladiator might there

[spare lake]

Yeah I have that, that wouldnt interfere with the other sstuff tho?

[fierce lark]

ppp is not great, you have based damage coming in from arcane fury and condition overload already

[spare lake]

The magnetic?

[fierce lark]

nah, run it after the magnetic mods to make magnetic toxin

then you can run archon continuity to make toxin procs apply corrosive

not super relevant for infested but it'll help a little for acolytes

what you can do instead if you want

do a run with your current build using gladiator might in the empty slot (or PPP), just pure magnetic

and see if you're 1shotting enemies at 12x combo

[celest sparrow]

which one should i pick 🤔

[fierce lark]

im not sure if a fatal hit that applies a magnetic status can trigger vortex

[fierce lark]

left and keep rolling

[spare lake]

Also is that grimoir riven I roled decent? Seemed like it was worth some money

[fierce lark]

grimoire is a weird weapon and gets dumpsetered on so hard by better secondaries, im not sure even a good riven can save it lol

by the looks of it is has pretty trash disposition as well

although the riven is pretty good

[spare lake]

Yeah Ive never really used it so Im listing it for like 499 to see if someone bites lol

[ebon pollen]

What are some good mods to put on a grimore

[karmic badger]

Grimoire costs 140 plat to be good

[fierce lark]

xata invocation?

[karmic badger]

Yes

It exists solely for energy generation

[ebon pollen]

Wym

[karmic badger]

Tome mods

[ebon pollen]

Where do I get them

[fierce lark]

apart from buying them i actually have no idea

[old marsh]

mirror defense

[spare lake]

Wouldnt it be from anatomica?

[old marsh]

ye. deimos

but i wouldnt recommend grinding for them.

[pseudo tartan]

yo whats a good kuva nukor build

[old marsh]

only do Mirror Defense in Sanctum for Stela. NOT the Tome mods. firstly the loot pool is bugged so even if on screen u get a tome mod, u may not get the item and rather something else. and its excruciatingly long play time

if u really want tome mods, buy from market. NOT the players

[fierce lark]

galv shot - galv diffusion - primed target cracker - lethal torrent - pistol pestilence - frostbite - primed convulsion/heated charge - merciless gunfight - secondary enervate

[pseudo tartan]

thx

[blazing finch]

What’s some good shards for nidus

[coral crest]

And to mimic Gauss gate

[near vortex]

Tome mods go kinda crazy though

Being able to save a Vigilante Vigor mod slot for something else, generate universal orbs, passively armor strip, or free fire rate

And then the funny 60% strength, duration or 10 energy per second
We don't talk about efficiency

It's very strong for things that want to snapshot stats like Gloom or Roar or Wisp motes

[coral crest]

being able to save a vigilante vigor slot

It also works like Gauss's passive for Aegis btw

[near vortex]

As a damage weapon its fairly mid but no other secondary matches its utility freak

[coral crest]

As long as you can maintain it

Alt fire every 10 seconds is rough though

[old marsh]

Grim is a phenomenal utility stick. still weird DE just gave it to all players even tho its mostly used for end game stuff

[coral crest]

Never enough investment crutches

The legendary nataruk grimoire broken war combo

[charred gale]

Story weapon demon

[old marsh]

Other 2 r pure weapons. and easily powercrept by incarnons and other stuff. Grim tho. now THATS legendary shit.

[drowsy pelican]

Just unlocked the Garuda set yesterday how did I do with the moding

[coral crest]

Don't really bother with str above 139%. Her ability dmg mostly scales from enemy hp and this threshold reaches 100% for her 4 slash procs

Consider getting Molt Reconstruct, it's a massive boost to her power

Her 3 is hp to energy, molt reconstruct is energy to hp

You end up having an infinite source of both

If you sneak Blending Talons augment in here somewhere, you're gonna be able to use 4 as a tap cast, resulting in 3-4 infinite hp/energy loop working consistently

[glass rampart]

what stats should i roll for a bubonico riven

[old marsh]

u dont if u wanna make it a DPS weapon.

if u wanna make it a primer then u want combined elements

[glass rampart]

but i wanna make it one anyway :)

it already primes viral by itself

and it has multiplicative gun co

[gilded spoke]

Question, I would like to ask if anyone could go over my current chroma build

I was messing around with null star and its augment and oh dear lord… null star procs hotshot…

Which means I deal mils with atomos and STRUN with just a double cast (cause neutron stars seek out and apply guaranteed heat status forcing hotshot to almost max itself.)

Im also Making a mutalist Cernos build to see if hotshot can break it

[stiff flower]

uh. can i ask about an amp bulid in here?

[leaden thistle]

No >:(

[stiff flower]

xD

[leaden thistle]

(Yes :) )

[stiff flower]

so im making a new amp to try this new tauron stuff witht he mods.
66x im debating on the brace. 3 brace gives 14% status chance and crit chance. crit chance obviously isnt a focus at all in this build. im making a status amp.

with eternal logistics for 70% amp eff and astral bond for an additional 30% im at 100% amp eff without any tauron strike mods.

im debating between the 3 brace or the 5 brace which gives 100+ more magazine with a 2s delay.

[carmine magnet]

Why add magazine if you're doing the logistics thing? Seems redundant

[glass rampart]

always do 7 brace because highest crit chance

[stiff flower]

not worryign about crit at all. tryign to see if status can hold its own with the new stuff added.

*correction. 3 brace adds 12% cc+SC but like i said. status chance is the main prio. i am not going crit for anything else.

that sets the amp to this.

[glass rampart]

ah

you probably want virtuos fury then

[stiff flower]

im going logistics and eternal eradicate

with magus melt and magus cloud

i havent been able to get tauron stuff yet. i only missing one more run for nidri

the uh ascaris stuff

[hoary oak]

Why is it when I go to mod screen I have more stats?
But when I equip it it's less?

[whole raven]

you have to check the disposition

[velvet pulsar]

Any chroma main here? I have a difficult question.

[hoary oak]

So the picture on the left is stats for max disposition? That's why it looks big compared to when I equip it?

[coral crest]

If only Rose was there

[stiff flower]

bring it

[whole raven]

yea, kuva zarr riven disposition is 0.70x. So it will only get 70% of the stats from the riven.

[hoary oak]

Is there a way to increase riven disposition? Or Zarr is just capped to 2?

[velvet pulsar]

If I give Toxin elemental ward to my squadmates, will the toxin proc kill count as my kill or their, from their aura?

[whole raven]

its capped

[hoary oak]

That sucks

[whole raven]

cant be helped since its there.

[stiff flower]

your kill.

[velvet pulsar]

Excellent

That's a problem

[stiff flower]

but the toxin proc is...special. its capped maxed helath damage

[velvet pulsar]

I know
I was planning to give it to my summons and use summoner's wrath

But it won't affect the toxin from your description

[stiff flower]

correct. i dont think you give elemental ward to pets. only other tenno

just another big oversight for chroma ._.

[velvet pulsar]

I was thinking inaros kavats or Oraxia's scuttlers

[stiff flower]

only gives it to other warframes.

to my knowledge anyway

[fierce lark]

im a bit late but 7 brace is like universally best

critting is broken as usual

especially now that you can mod your crit stats

status chance is kinda useless unless you use up an arcane slot to convert your damage to heat or smth

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder if Wuklone can get the ward buff

Surely that's gonna fail disappointingly right?

[coral crest]

Madurai viral heat klamora

[velvet pulsar]

Heat and magus Accelerant

[stiff flower]

using magus melt

thats technically heat and damage.

[coral crest]

Magus Melt and Virtuous Trojan

You get yourself viral heat

[acoustic bluff]

Xx7 or 547

Disputed goat

[stiff flower]

virtuous trojan. not sure if its worth more than magus cloud.

wait is that an operator or amp arcane>

[coral crest]

Trojan is amp, melt is operator

[stiff flower]

well im using eternal eradicate

and eternal logistics

along with astral bond. 100% ammo eff

[velvet pulsar]

BTW

Lorak spectral pages beams count as void dmg

And they keep procing astral bond without switching to operator

https://youtu.be/n9ElVYMSBHk?si=X8G1UWlKeHe7kpfI

[spare lake]

Should I( try to change out reconstruct for arcane expertise on this?

[velvet pulsar]

No

[spare lake]

Or should I try to get aegis?

[velvet pulsar]

Aegis is a good option
Hope u have some healing though

[spare lake]

well actually for survivabiulity should I lose aug message and put adaptation?

Im trying not to lose power and get more in the way of not die juice lol

[coral crest]

This seems perfectly functional

You have any specific problems?

Molt augmented can be swapped for something utility

You don't need much more than 139 str, it's good to have more but not as much as you think

Especially with Nourish

You survive with 3-4

And iframes from 1

4 will prime viral from Nourish, and blood ball will get a bit extra

Your build seems perfectly workable

You do have to move and use abilities a lot

Mirror when up will absorb damage from the front, giving you breathing room where you aim

[spare lake]

Yeah I just figured because I'm using Brief respite the aug mods are kinda superfluous so taking off aug message might be worth doing because the damage mitigation would be worth it over all from adding adaptation

At the very least I think instead of having message maybe putting on constitution would be nice, get to keep most of the duration and also get faster knockdown recovery

[novel bear]

Constitution could definitely fit
Adaptation wouldn’t be much benefit
Catalyzing shields is another good option

[quiet laurel]

would suggest vig swap instead of augur message

[coral crest]

Oh right, the final damage solution

[quiet laurel]

if you go for huras then your survivability is also taken care of

[coral crest]

Maybe arcane arachne as well

[spare lake]

Yeah to hit gate cap you need something like 1200 shields or something right without catalyzing?

That is probably better than the others id imagine then because my gate is really small in comparison

[coral crest]

Catalyzing doesn't hit the cap

It's 1.33s

[velvet pulsar]

I was gonna say that, but that sentence is perfectly correct

[coral crest]

How much is Garuda's without shield boosts?

[spare lake]

I thought it was bugged currently to actually provide cap?

[velvet pulsar]

Cap is in the sense cata shields is 1.33s capped

[coral crest]

Normal cap is like 2.5s

[quiet laurel]

it just always gives the 1.33 secs

[coral crest]

If I remember correctly

[velvet pulsar]

And yes it always gives 1.33s irrespective of whatever u restore by augur

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah, without catalysing shields

[undone dust]

bro said that

[velvet pulsar]

The og sentence did say that

[coral crest]

Garuda has 370shields by default

If you have garbage efficiency and briefspite

You can probably do it better than cata

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder if that's even required

Comfy nonetheless

[spare lake]

Alright cool well in my open slot I think Im going to run constitution for utility and duration then

[coral crest]

Just silly garuda things

[velvet pulsar]

Also if you're going with huras kubrow or shade, might even go for critting your 1

[charred gale]

U dont rly need that much duration cause u have infinite energy

[coral crest]

Oh yeah, nourish is recastable

[spare lake]

Yeah but its comfier for nourish

[charred gale]

Sure up to u ig

[coral crest]

Build is already in a good spot, great even tbh

It's garuda, you already covered all bases

[charred gale]

Yeah looks good enough

[spare lake]

Thanks just min maxing thing rn lol, I'm not the most knowledgeable but this is the most fun part of the game to me XD

[coral crest]

If you want to truly minmax you can dump duration for vigorous swap

[spare lake]

?

Sorry I just dont know what your talking about lol

[coral crest]

Vigorous swap is a mod

That upon weapon swap gives a massive dmg boost to weapons

[velvet pulsar]

Nah just mandonel it

[coral crest]

Blood ball is counted as a weapon

[velvet pulsar]

[coral crest]

And you can swap weapons during blood ball charge

This is what truly turns garuda into

"I reset the damage counter 10 times during the circuit run"

Adding it also kinda makes damage you get from Nourish relatively inconsequential

[spare lake]

Huh okay well I had no idea lol that is also an expensive mod 90P jeez

[coral crest]

It's still best in slot for everything caster

[charred gale]

For max rank?

[coral crest]

But you can experiment a bit more from that point

[coral crest]

It's an arbi mod, fyi

[charred gale]

The base mod should not be anywhere near that expensive

[coral crest]

Should be pretty cheap

[spare lake]

Ah yeah i forgat I was looking up arcanes earlier XD

[charred gale]

Lol

[night laurel]

off topic, but is Vigorous Swap theoretically good for Vinquibus since its all about swapping between melee and rifle form?

dont know if there would be missing opportunity cost in using vigswap instead of, say, cannonade or the likes

[charred gale]

Vigorous swap is a warframe mod

[charred gale]

Also for majority of things vigorous swap is additive damage

[night laurel]

but being additive to serration means reduced effectivity or am i misunderstanding dmg calc

[charred gale]

So typically no its mot worth running

[velvet pulsar]

Answered in advance

[night laurel]

shucks, thanks

[charred gale]

Yeah, but garuda is an exception and it multiplies

[charred gale]

Np

[charred gale]

Same with exodia contagion

[coral crest]

Actually any weapon coded abilities are

[charred gale]

Ah ic

[coral crest]

Null star, flechette orbs, etc

[velvet pulsar]

Contagion is a bit differently scaling I think

[charred gale]

Oh really?

[coral crest]

You can do scary things with swap and weapon coded frames

There's a good reason it has vauban on the image lmao

[spare lake]

Would vig swap work on khora for whip?

[velvet pulsar]

They're not holstering IIRC

But u can manually holster and then use whip

[coral crest]

^

In case of the whip it's a "weapon" though

[charred gale]

If it does its just additive damage

[coral crest]

Not because it's a weapon coded ability

[viral totem]

Can anyone here recommend a good volt build with weapons for high level steel path or level cap?

[coral crest]

Actually I should probably separate them as

[spare lake]

Would you say its actually worth using for sp farming build?

[coral crest]

No

[coral crest]

Abilites that have projectiles coded as weapon damage

[charred gale]

Nah she does more than enough damage for base steel path

[coral crest]

From null star and flechettes to brightbonnet for some reason

Even though it does nothing on brightbonnet other than make it buggy and inconsistent on Qorvex

[charred gale]

I dont even question it anymore

[velvet pulsar]

I'm sure ivara can navigate brightbonnet

[charred gale]

If its on the wiki ima just accept it

[velvet pulsar]

Nah that's the problem

Majority people believed for so long that Summoner's Wrath doesn't affect Duplex Bond clones.

[coral crest]

^

It's still community maintained

It takes time for more niche stuff to be noted

And it can have a lot of lore conjecture

[charred gale]

Unfortunately i do not have the will power to test everything individually💔

[velvet pulsar]

Like say Residual arcanes.
You'd think they all are just the same copy pasted code with different elements.

But Malodor is meta.

[coral crest]

Brightbonnet's orb that you throw to spawn the shroom is affected by universal bonuses

Peak useless data

[velvet pulsar]

You can use ivara, fly it across map, and plant it far away.

[coral crest]

[velvet pulsar]

Now that's peak useless data.

[coral crest]

The drone brightbonnet delivery

[night laurel]

intercontinental ballistic mushroom

[velvet pulsar]

Who knows, someday this'll be used in a speedrun

[novel bear]

Qorvex being unable to use brightbonnet because it goes through walls is funny
Not that brightbonnet is very good on him anyways, he already has fallout and doesn’t need that much strength

[velvet pulsar]

But bouncing microwave

[coral crest]

I find it funny as shit because Nokko's kit is just Qorvex but good

And he still decided to shoot Qorvex in the foot with this brightbonnet side effect

[velvet pulsar]

Except Qorvex gets limited movement and Nokko gets 3 different movement abilities

[coral crest]

And his 4 is passively ramping up, disconnected from the invincibility

They even both got archguns to boost pulse speed of their pillars

[velvet pulsar]

Lately DE has been focusing a lot on unique movement abilities for new frames

It started from Oraxia last year

[coral crest]

Follie with a bouncing ink bubble?

[velvet pulsar]

Zorbing

[coral crest]

Her grimoire idle looked like Nyx 4

Something like that has to be in her kit

[velvet pulsar]

I'm calling it
It's going to be her movement + survivability ability

[night laurel]

btw, Primary Acuity on Phenmor? it seemed like a good idea at the time lol i'm addicted to this mod
doing consistent 1M headshots on enemies with it on the vengabus so i'm putting it on everything

[coral crest]

Maybe it'll be floaty as well

They said she was a nightmare to code, something weird like that is gonna be there

[quaint breach]

Yo guys for Grendel: should I take adaptation or keep hearty nourish? My thought process behind HN is cause it gives me free immunity to ALL status effects right then and there, but a friend of mine uses adaptation cause DR or something. I could be totally stupid but isn’t complete status immunity better than adaptation?

[velvet pulsar]

Kinda
But it already has innate headshot perks which might be additive

[coral crest]

It definitely is better

[quaint breach]

Ah ok

[night laurel]

i'll test it out soon ™️

[coral crest]

Grendel has extra ways to boost his armor as well

[quaint breach]

Oke, I’ll change it out when I’m out of duwuviri

[coral crest]

Besides, you have nourish

[quaint breach]

I’m killing myselfnfor making that joke lmfao

[coral crest]

Once you get hit once everyone is just suffering viral force trauma around you

So not that much room to stack adaptation

[novel bear]

Just do persistence if you’re struggling with survivability
Grendel can run it pretty easily

[coral crest]

Yeah, he's definitely one of the best recipients

In that case hearty nourishment becomes a must (it kinda already was)

Since it will cover the status troubles

[velvet pulsar]

Silence grendel

[quaint breach]

Nah I was just curious, I have persistence as well

[coral crest]

Slendel

[coral crest]

Deafening burps

[novel bear]

Adaptation and persistence don’t stack

[quaint breach]

Cause I was considering corrosive heat and magnetic can mess with persistence

[novel bear]

Definitely run hearty nourishment then

[coral crest]

Oh then just run hearty nourishment

[quaint breach]

So that’s why I was saying HN over adaptation

[coral crest]

If you have Persistence, adaptation doesn't help

[quaint breach]

Thx, just wanted confirmation

[coral crest]

Have fun :3

[velvet pulsar]

How is grendel's healing?

[novel bear]

1000 healing on nourish cast, scaling with strength

[velvet pulsar]

Are people running omamori on persistence grendel?

[mighty flare]

for the healing and evasion?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

[coral crest]

He's healing 1000hp(affected by str) on nourish cast

So you can heal pretty reliably

[mighty flare]

you can buff pulverize enough with fissure buffs to reach 500 hp/s even after healing decay

[coral crest]

Oh yeah, grendel ball heals

[velvet pulsar]

Fissure buffs is a low bar

Outside of that how much str?

[novel bear]

250 strength

[coral crest]

It's 200hp/s at base, affected by str

[novel bear]

Not too bad

[velvet pulsar]

Great 250 str

So that's well of life equivalent threshold

2 wells at 250% str for 500 heal

[coral crest]

On that well of life grindset still huh

[spare lake]

For all those that were chatting with me earlier about it lol

[coral crest]

You have achieved garudaening

[quaint breach]

Ngl I removed Grendel’s balls so I could get roar to nuke with gastro

[novel bear]

Oh, pulverize’s heal halves over time
So 500% strength after ten seconds

[mighty flare]

250 strength still decays to less than 500 hp/s

[novel bear]

Less doable

[coral crest]

You did what

[mighty flare]

its way more than that

thats why i said fissure buff

[quaint breach]

I needed to subsume roar for the dot buff

[coral crest]

Were his balls really worth it

This mf has performed roarsectomy on Grendel

[mighty flare]

double it bub, the healing will decay

[quaint breach]

No honestly I liked Grendel’s balls

Grendels ball ability**

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah why not?
Status Immunity to save persistence from corrosive heat and magnetic

Healing to bypass the 500 dmg per second:

1. First case is 1 well and 500% str
2. Ideal case is 2 wells and 250% str.
3. Cheap case is 3 wells and 167% str.

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-grendel-grendel-gauss-warframe-gauss-gif-16633396432107318279

[quaint breach]

Actually to be fair I could just make a full on ball build for another one of my 8 grendels

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah then I'm picking well of life

[coral crest]

Hearty nourishment is still a thing idk

[novel bear]

Don’t want to spam nourish every 4 seconds or so?

[mighty flare]

high strength grendel is so ass, makes ur gastro do so little

[coral crest]

Max range grendel is the way

My phone kept correcting grendel to gender

[mighty flare]

nourish's drain scaling with strength and gastro scaling with current health
oh DE why do you hate grendel so

[velvet pulsar]

What I said wasn't just grendel specific though

I can basically force Persistence on any frame using Well of Life

[coral crest]

Ah, fair enough actually

[novel bear]

Hildryn?

[quaint breach]

Wdym high strength gastro is bad?

[velvet pulsar]

I'm more tempted to use Parasitic Armor on hildryn rather than persistence

[quaint breach]

His entire kit uses high strength and it increases damage of it

[coral crest]

Range.... :(

[quaint breach]

Oh right

[mighty flare]

nourish drain scales with strength --> gastro scales with current health
casting gastro after nourish makes it do a lot less damage

theres also the jank gas status from gastro that goes back to 1 dmg

making grendel a burst caster for some reason

[coral crest]

Projectile vomit counts as burst casting in my book

[mighty flare]

burst caster as in your peak dps is spamming your 4 button immediately after feast

i think its like 400 energy per burst rotation or something absurd like that

[coral crest]

That's how projectile vomit works. It's all authentic game design

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-kojima-geoff-geoff-keighley-tga-gif-15122811034492626991

Impeccable attention to detail

[mighty flare]

with regurgitate/gastro scaling with enemy health, just eating someone chunkier will have a much greater damage increase (like garuda)
high strength is good for low levels ig

you also have a very small full strip threshold and nourish giving viral priming, so you really dont nee much on grendel

wow

i just realized that grendel and garuda build very similar

[mighty flare]

so hows wol work? is just passive healing?

[shell tundra]

How do I improve Kullervo’s energy economy?

[fierce lark]

lycath's hunt over 4

[fierce lark]

diriga with synth deconstruct & equilibrium on your frame should be infinite energy if you can kill things

[shell tundra]

Because I love making shitty choices for a frame I barely play, is Arcane Persistence wasted on Kullervo?

[fluid crest]

I havent build my grendel at all, generally what should i increase ? Ability strenght and duration ?

I have the augment where the enemy he vomit deal gas dmg

[gilded spoke]

OKAY IM SORRY HOW did I just face tank a level 201 SP blitz without my shields and only 370 health

[mighty flare]

you want high range with positive duration and strength, like this
then you can decide how you want to survive

[fluid crest]

Wait is equilibrium really worth sacrificing a mod slot ?

I rarely use it since it takes a slot

[mighty flare]

its usually best for frames that aren't orb generators

[lavish orbit]

Grendel has innate nourish tho

[marble hollow]

Shield gate?

[mighty flare]

nourish is just energy multiplier, you still need something
if you wanna use a shard, sure go ahead

[gilded spoke]

Nope. Running my chroma with Null Star

[marble hollow]

Well there's your answer, you're on Chroma

[gilded spoke]

HOW CAN CHROMA FACE TANK A BLITZ THO? Is it null? Everytime I’m without shields I just get instajilled by a blitz but now I can face tank? In all of my 11 years this game still teaches me things

[marble hollow]

Nullstar gives damage reduction

[gilded spoke]

Well I know that

But I’m not running null over my four I put it over my one so I can use chroma for SP surv credit farms 😂

[lavish orbit]

Better have something to get shield or health back

[gilded spoke]

Nautilus 🥰

Im also running Null’s aug with hotshot 🤣 silly numbers on Strun incarnon

Oh yeah my build also unintentionally makes nautilus hit damage cap easily with just a few manifold procs

(Fkin hilarious

[velvet pulsar]

It has 2 healing types

One is consistent flat heal which procs archon intensify and is limited by the aura range

The other is lifesteal like gloom, except you can only use that when damaging the well target

However this one is not limited by range.
You can basically leave a damaging field on the well and for infinite range you'll keep healing without even needing LoS.

Like furax incarnon damage field, or dual ichor. Or any DoT with very high duration I guess.

[gilded spoke]

Ohkay… just crashed my own game

Let a pile of eximus gather up and popped off both Neutron Star and a Strun grenade… game didn’t like the massive number of dmg it had to calculate (at least for my lemon of a pc) and decided to just click out of work today

[mossy epoch]

i think you just won Warframe

[spare lake]

On garuda for archon shards should I just be focusing cast speed?

[mossy epoch]

What's the dumbest Persistence build that actually works? For some reason I'm trying to see if Persistence Wisp could work

[gilded spoke]

Oh I did? Sweet 😎 I can officially consider myself a vet then

[mighty flare]

so you can run high status duration gas and passive heal off that?

[frosty wasp]

does a Warframe specter use its own mod config on itself? or does it use a last active slot (nvm, they go unmodded)

[charred gale]

Yeah

[spare lake]

Cool thank you

[charred gale]

Np

[fierce lark]

it's good for levelcap to keep you alive during short windows where recompense isn't generating overguard, but outside of that it does nothing yeah

kullervo is immortal in any regular content

[velvet pulsar]

Probably
Acrid shenanigans.
Although the lifesteal is 1% base so the tick damage must be 50000 maximum or if 250% str then 20000 damage ticks

[gilded spoke]

manifold procs

[velvet pulsar]

How will you push it to 20000 damage per second

[gilded spoke]

Huh. I didn’t think that far

[velvet pulsar]

Note that status immunity is still limited to aura range.

20m is base range

[velvet pulsar]

Forgot to add one zero, it has been edited now

[velvet pulsar]

Well I thought it anyway

Heat inherit.

You can burn the well target to a lot of damage ticks and then let manifold bond refresh the heat status duration

[gilded spoke]

Just by getting kills from other targets?

Not being within range of said target?

[velvet pulsar]

Lifesteal has infinite range.

Pets can use duplex bond with heat weapon or hound with manifold bond to cover atleast 30m range

That way your heal is sustained

[coral crest]

Ok time for me to ask questions

How would you build Envoy? What are the priorities?

[velvet pulsar]

If this is wukong specific, I have a different strat

[coral crest]

Not Wukong specific

[velvet pulsar]

Ok
First of all, any priorities for exilus?

Coz I have a suggestion

[coral crest]

I'm all ears

https://tenor.com/view/radlcies-cat-ears-pop-ears-popping-gif-6350368405702208034

[velvet pulsar]

I think the name was Lock & Load

Holster reload mod

Stacks with innate trait

[coral crest]

Hm

Interesting

[velvet pulsar]

Ok is there a rifle version?

[crystal crater]

hie!! just wanted to ask if i shld build my octavia for strength or duration? :o or both??

[velvet pulsar]

Duration is more priority, get a tiny bit of str like 30-40%

[crystal crater]

okie thank u :D

[coral crest]

Oh, nah, envoy can't use those

Specific tag

[orchid bane]

someone share felarx build for end game

[velvet pulsar]

@old marsh

[fierce lark]

viral HM i would imagine

[granite ginkgo]

you want non crit or hybrid build? i suggest look out ninjase build

[fierce lark]

because similar ammo issues to the bramma

[orchid bane]

alright will do ty

[coral crest]

it seems a lot less ammo hungry than bramma

[karmic badger]

Mostly due to fire rate

You'll definitely want damage buffs

Damn now i wanna try a funny headshot build

[coral crest]

8 in the clip, 16 in the ammo max, 4 in the pickup

[fierce lark]

it has like 3x the total ammo by the looks of it, so maybe it's fine? 24% base status isn't terrible either but it might be difficult to get heat procs

[coral crest]

its definitely on the more lenient side

[karmic badger]

Multishot will gurantee 1 or 2 procs

[coral crest]

i just saw it still being most used weapon of 2025 and got curious

[fierce lark]

it wasn't the most used, it just had the most kills

[coral crest]

ah

[fierce lark]

it was like 5th or 6th in use time iirc

[coral crest]

what are the real stats ffs

[old marsh]

Blast modded mostly for Crit @coral crest

[fierce lark]

but like it's a big aoe rocket launcher that has an mr requirement of 5 so it's pretty easy to access and demolishes everything in base and probably sp chart

[coral crest]

ok makes sense

devil's triad

[fierce lark]

im genuinely still shocked acceltra is as high as it is

[old marsh]

blame Gauss

[fierce lark]

same reason why everyone plays wukong ig

[coral crest]

its not that popular is it- 4th place???

[fierce lark]

things that get popular stay popular lol

[coral crest]

Cedo Prime came out just that year and is already very popular

[fierce lark]

4th place for a gun that kinda sucks is insanely popular, it's dogwalking clear standouts like the cedo, plasmor, phenmor/felarx, boar and strun

[old marsh]

he is right. Base Acceltra was also decently popular. like Cedo. so Prime will also be popular

[fierce lark]

oh i said i thought envoy was 6th and it's not even in the top 20 lol

it's just an insane kpm gun

[old marsh]

oh hell nah. its used less (in-game time) but has very high kills

[old marsh]

ye

[coral crest]

should also consider that for some reason it counts on-call crewmate weapon usage as yours

[fierce lark]

i don't really understand how that happens though cause i don't think anything in the game is outpacing torid

unless all the people with envoys are just farming sp endurance solos lol

[coral crest]

apparently it messed up stats for some people

its a briefcase

its for people who mean serious business

[karmic badger]

On call shenanigananery

[fierce lark]

im actually surprised the most used secondary was kuva nukor, really thought it would be ocucor or laetum

[coral crest]

i almost never see ocucor

but yeah i agree on laetum

[fierce lark]

i see lots of ocucors, i see lots of people asking for ocucor builds, and ocucor ended up winning the "most kills" award

[velvet pulsar]

Specters and On Call Crew do contribute in those stats.

[coral crest]

is there a tenet melee that transforms into briefcase?

[old marsh]

Torid Inc has higher DPS even in dense crowds but if a Specter or Wukong clone or On Call Crew is using it, DPS is higher coz they dont have any reload.

Envoy's biggest issue is the damn reload

[velvet pulsar]

They all reload
Even on call crew reload despite having infinite ammo.

[nova swift]

tenet livia? kinda? It's more of an attache case

[velvet pulsar]

Difference is their reload animation is inconsistent

[old marsh]

its instant. like drop of hat

[velvet pulsar]

It'll always be different reload duration on those NPCs

[coral crest]

okay so

envoy, diplos, livia

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[coral crest]

perfect.

[old marsh]

mine reloads instant

[coral crest]

the white collar build

[velvet pulsar]

On Call
Specter
Or Wuklone?

[old marsh]

main reason i am scared of summoning my on call. she wipes out everything lol

[velvet pulsar]

On Call it is

The biggest era to notice it was when Zarr reload was bugged

[old marsh]

is it different for specters? i have felarx on my Specters

[velvet pulsar]

Specters use ammo

They use ammo pickups as well

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[velvet pulsar]

Wuklone included

For battery weapon, if they deplete the mag, they do switch to secondary for a while

[nova swift]

its why the tenet envoy was so high, a lot of people run it on specters because it reloads while they are using secondary, which causes them to switch back even though it ran out

[velvet pulsar]

For regular primaries, they'll keep the pistol in hand until primary replenishes ammo

[coral crest]

if only Equinox clone wasnt a lobotomite :(

geniunely unusable in how slow it is

[velvet pulsar]

U sure?

[coral crest]

i never managed to make it have any impact

[velvet pulsar]

Does equinox copy the weapon u hold or use the other gun?

[coral crest]

it cant switch weapons, cant use alt fire, 90% of arcanes and mods dont work for it

it just takes your gun at the moment of casting and runs with it with a dmg buff for like 10 seconds

and uses your own ammo

also it doesnt aim for the head

[velvet pulsar]

It doesn't aim for the body either

U give her beam u realize how horrible she is

[velvet pulsar]

It's probably even more ridiculous on wuklone

Coz wukong unholstering it and wuklone using it may trigger the trait

Simultaneously reloading and firing the weapon

[nova swift]

envoy for specter, zarr for on call, sadness for equinox :c

[velvet pulsar]

My on call uses glaxion

It can proc the augment so I can summon it to drop energy orbs.

[nova swift]

I had sporelacer as most kills secondary, I never used it in person just on call carrying me

[velvet pulsar]

Same

But not this year

No wonder Glaxion is my most used primary this year

[normal niche]

does it matter for ash bladestorm what mods you have in your melee weapon?

[velvet pulsar]

Though the system counts most used as per kills.

Otherwise my most used melee wouldn't be arca titron, it'd be Okina.

[velvet pulsar]

Nope, regular melee doesn't matter

Maybe tennokai?

Nah wait it can't heavy

[nova swift]

not really, but having it be good for teleport or utility is a good idea

I like rakta dark dagger for overshields /w retaliation on bladestorm, or nikana zaw with contagion

[velvet pulsar]

Speedsticks

Praedos
Okina
etc.

[normal niche]

I use praedos for movement

also why does the combo counter just randomly disappear

for the clones

[nova swift]

are you using crescendo? cause its a visual bug on those

[normal niche]

ye

[nova swift]

you can also use a heavy weapon with dexterity arcanes, they work on blade storm too

30 secs of combo multiplier tends to be good enough

[normal niche]

already have in arch weap, primary and secondary

[plain drum]

does kompressa prime faster than epitaph?

[versed harbor]

theyre both good but different uses tbh

epitaph a bit slower but larger aoe and forced cold

kompressa primes fast but is a fairly small aoe and has innate viral

epitaph also has the benefit of the charge shot for hybrid builds ig

[velvet pulsar]

Kompressa can use encumber better than epitaph

[lavish orbit]

Kompressa for target, epitaph for group

[solid bolt]

what would be the best build for conservation? i was thinking about titania with R&R subsumed, im currently runnin ivara, but the movement is a bit slow for me

[velvet pulsar]

My alternative to ivara is equinox with huras kubrow

You can use any fast paced invisible frame if u have equinox subsume already available

[frail portal]

anyone got a wukong prime build that they can recommend me? am a returning player

[severe bough]

Left right?

Actually thought about right stats are more important but why no neg

[gleaming bough]

Would it be a good idea to subsume novas 3rd ability to koumeis 3rd? Im trying to build nova for steel path😅

[severe bough]

Nova does alr has massive crowd control through her 1 and 4
omamori iirc is good for extra survivalbilty tho i would either use nourish ( nourish apply to null stars which spreads the hole room with viral )
or roar if u want to go full ability dps with nullstar and antimatter orb

[gleaming bough]

Ohh okayy, thank youu

[velvet pulsar]

Negative mag cap is good

You can do Synth Charge shenanigans with it on the last bullet of incarnoff

100% ammo efficiency and perma 200% multiplicative dmg

[severe bough]

Ye that was the one i got before weirdly enough it doesnt sell

Bruh

I wonder whats the Price of that even

U got a guess?

[karmic badger]

At least? 500p

[severe bough]

Probably got a guy who said 400 tho

Idk if i wanna get more depressed rolling or get the plat tho

[velvet pulsar]

Man by negative mag cap I remember Tenet Tetra

[icy seal]

Shards on damage from toxic is a good option for Grendel?

[old marsh]

Not if u r building for his 4

[icy seal]

Why? The 4-th gives status toxic or not?

[velvet pulsar]

I thought it gave gas

[karmic badger]

i thought the gas was an augment

[velvet pulsar]

Right gastro

[surreal python]

I think I made a 147 instead of 547, 147 is the 3r burst right? Or is it the 547?

[velvet pulsar]

547

[surreal python]

The 147, what's the fire pattern?

[karmic badger]

1 is single shot semi auto

[velvet pulsar]

One accurate sniper shot hitscan

[late hemlock]

Both are fine I wouldn't bother to make a whole other amp

[karmic badger]

147 with madurai makes cascades real fun

[velvet pulsar]

I would.
Specially now that Decendia is giving Amp Arcane Adaptor back-to-back.

No more Zariman.

[late hemlock]

Eh with the tektolyst artifacts the amps are overkill

[karmic badger]

outside of Elite Archimedias my amp has become my main survival strategy

[velvet pulsar]

I use 647
Maybe I won't craft 547.

[late hemlock]

In eta my 547 still kills in last gasp by spamming 4 either way

[surreal python]

Zenurik with unbounds though?

[velvet pulsar]

Great then

[karmic badger]

ma man

[velvet pulsar]

Also max amp efficiency build?

Coz I'm thinking to make that

[late hemlock]

Nah I got the crit and damage arcanes

[velvet pulsar]

Eternal crit arcane?

[late hemlock]

Eradicate and onslaught iirc

Mods are damage, crit, multishot, firerate and void multiplier

[velvet pulsar]

Arcane?

Overguard strip?
Ammo Efficiency?

[late hemlock]

The heat damage one

[velvet pulsar]

U boosting via operator arcanes too or those r QoL?

Like Magus Cloud

[late hemlock]

I got the tether one and my 2nd one i forgot

Generally though you just enter operator press 1 tap void mode and shoot alt fire

Things die

[velvet pulsar]

I might just go for ammo efficiency arcane and astral bond for my vazarin setup

For Madurai it'll be full on damage focus

[late hemlock]

Idk if vazarin kills in eta madurai is a massive buff

But feel free to go for efficiency I just do overkill damage so might as well get some more damage for my frame instead of operator

[surreal python]

547 still good for Zenurik with all unbounds?

I think I need to work on modding for efficiency though I think

[karmic badger]

I mean anything with x47 is good especially now with Tektolyst mods and arcanes

[late hemlock]

P much yeah

The 4 alt fire is just so good

[velvet pulsar]

Now that I think about it...
Amp ammo efficiency build suits vazarin for spamming under the protection of guardian shell

[old marsh]

Yup. Sold a ton of that mod

Even the arcane price increased

[short spade]

is this build nice for koumei?

[nova swift]

once you get tektolysts you can slot a mod for 30% eff for easy 100%

153 amp for alt fire brrrrt

magus melt and you speedrunning steel path slowrunning in my case ;D

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[velvet pulsar]

I thought eternal logistics is just 60%
I didn't realise it was 72

Then I don't need astral bond

Coz I already have the fire rate mod

This is way easier than I thought

[wintry obsidian]

Nuke build no augment?

[analog crystal]

Anyone know how I should go about making a Uriel steel path build?

[humble solstice]

Personal opinion but I would definitely swap out Adaptation for the augment mod, Divine Retribution.

[nova swift]

circumvent is also really nice on nezha, the armor buffs halo and overguard comes after halo

[humble solstice]

Arcane Battery as well.

[icy seal]

For what purpose are good MOA-companions? Maybe I don't see some interesting synergies with warframes...

[mossy epoch]

They look goofy

[velvet pulsar]

1. Moa are the only way you can combine sentinel weapons like Verglas & Tazicor with Prismatic Companion augment. (Because Moa are considered free moving companions.)
2. For some reason, Duplex Bond clones can use Hard Engage precept. This is the first time I've seen Duplex Bond copying a precept.
3. Moa have a grouping mod, Whiplash Mine. It's a bit different than Cordon of Nautilus as it groups them on targeted zone rather than forcing near you. However it brings all enemies in its 20m range to one spot while Cordon bring 15m enemies within one spot while 30m enemies within 15m.
4. Nyx's 4 ability (including Assimilate augment), can make any robotic companion invulnerable, including Moa.
5. If you're tired of your sentinel killing the same enemy you're targeting, you can rather use Moa as they keep more distance from you.
6. They have their own cosmetic for behaviour which lets them emote.

https://youtu.be/MtRE1FuurZU?si=JwVye_wARrxdNrvD

[icy seal]

How?

[velvet pulsar]

Oh right

One minute

[icy seal]

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/19AA6LbpKPo?si=1dcWlObspXPUbTSK

Master's Summons subsume along with hacker precept of Moa.

The subsume teleports Moa through walls and it hacks the console for you.

[icy seal]

Funny)

[velvet pulsar]

Hell, your Moa even skips all the time travel during Lua spy.

It can just download data from a broken console.

[velvet pulsar]

The name of the precept is "Security Override"

[icy seal]

Is it safe to use this method? It won't consider like "reason for ban"?

[velvet pulsar]

Haven't seen anyone getting banned for this.

If you don't feel safe about it then you can try other cheese methods rather than this.

[mighty pelican]

there have been exploits of bugs that have shattered ingame markets without punishment

highly unlikely this would be punished

[icy seal]

I see)

[late hemlock]

I didn't get banned for putting people out of bounds with switch teleport before they added /unstuck to the game

[mighty pelican]

especially if that video is older, at that point its their choice to not patch it out

[mighty pelican]

o dear

[velvet pulsar]

Warframe has prioritised bans for serious exploits.
Older era was more strict.
Newer era didn't even punish players for "loot cave" in Jade Shadows or "stalker specter farm" during same update's nightwave.

Although I've heard rumours that those who posted vids about stalker specter farm were banned, but I've not seen any proof.

[late hemlock]

Can't really fault the player for using an exploit as long as it isnt directly stealing money from DE or hurting other players

[velvet pulsar]

"hurting other players"
Meanwhile DE:

[late hemlock]

Limbo still exists so I guess my talking point is null

[velvet pulsar]

I agree though. They don't have a rulebook for "this is intended and this is not".

So I do get angry whenever they use the word "unintended" in patch notes.

[cerulean rune]

is there another samage calculator for builds other than overframe ? the new Arcanes aren't factored in

[velvet pulsar]

Games are for fun. Majority of the game is spaghetti. So you can't really justify to stop players from using bugs.

[velvet pulsar]

There's something new called "Underframe".
IDK how good it is but you should try it.

[hearty night]

hi im wondering if this channel is appropriate to ask the value of my riven?

[velvet pulsar]

It is

[hearty night]

how much would this riven go for?

it has the best stats out of my other rivens

[velvet pulsar]

I don't think Battacor rivens sell high.

But I'll recommend to get more feedback from other people as well.

[hearty night]

oh so less than 100p?

[velvet pulsar]

Not sure.
Battacor does have a nightwave augment, so maybe it made it decent.

[late hemlock]

Battacor seems really off meta (have not seen a single person use this since coming back to play last month)

So idk if its gonna sell for much?

[hearty night]

i see

[velvet pulsar]

It got the augment in the same nightwave as ocucor

So it's also about getting overshadowed

[late hemlock]

Not saying anything about its power level just its popularity as that is what determines the price

[velvet pulsar]

Sadly (and profitably) the truth

[late hemlock]

At least it allowed me to get stuff like Paris or dark sword riven for like 10p each

[velvet pulsar]

Dark sword propaganda...

[late hemlock]

You want to keep me quiet dont you

[hearty night]

what is the dark sword?

[late hemlock]

Its a sword but its kinda dark

With some blue ish glows

[hearty night]

damn

[late hemlock]

You do funny slam toxin dot number

[velvet pulsar]

It's just a cheaper Coda Mire.

With higher disposition

[late hemlock]

And it looks good

Coda mire is ugly as sht

[velvet pulsar]

And it has poor crit stats

[late hemlock]

Don't use it with crit

You shouldn't crit on mire either

[velvet pulsar]

I can so I will

[late hemlock]

Just go all in on slam damage

[velvet pulsar]

[late hemlock]

True.....

My favorite is still funny kubrow damage though

[velvet pulsar]

I'm on the process to make it funnier

About to max out Theorem Infection

[late hemlock]

Hmm don't have kitguns yet maybe its time to start a secondary kitgun

[humble solstice]

I do this very same thing and it's great! But it's extremely buggy. Sometimes the MOA won't do anything and you have to go in and do it yourself.

[velvet pulsar]

For secondary, sporelacer
For primary, vermisplicer

[late hemlock]

You can't use a primary you need Paris

[velvet pulsar]

I don't "need" it. Certain kubrows can reach enough crit level for tenacious.

Though, some sacrifices gotta be made... eh?

[late hemlock]

Thats missing the entire point

[velvet pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

[late hemlock]

You also have mecha overdrive

[velvet pulsar]

I do use it

[late hemlock]

Which with Paris gives you hundreds (yes hundreds) of additional status chance

I think my kubrow is at like 330% and I dont have status archon shards

[velvet pulsar]

Anyways, secondary sporelacer might deal more dmg than primary vermisplicer

(I haven't built paris incarnon so I shall try vermisplicer first)

[late hemlock]

Do you need more than one theorm?

[velvet pulsar]

Nope

[late hemlock]

Not using a stat stick is a pretty big loss

[humble solstice]

There is a Paris Incarnon? I just leveled up the basic and Primed version for MR yesterday.

[velvet pulsar]

I might build Paris when I will be considerate enough to farm a prime.

Will Dread work?

[late hemlock]

No

My riven is still lacking but kubrow gets 30% of the crit and 60% of the status which is a LOT of stats here

Dread does not get 480% status chance lol

[velvet pulsar]

Then I shall use Dera Vandal incarnoff

[hybrid bolt]

Slideee a high voltage 🙏

[velvet pulsar]

It can scale to good stat stick

I know paris is still the best

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[late hemlock]

Im still not sure which frame to put 5 status shard on so my funny companion build isnt complete

Might be harrow because he buffs crit which transfers to pet with synergy?

[velvet pulsar]

Tell me, does mecha Overdrive double dip for Cyte?

Coz he has 2 primaries

[late hemlock]

He does? Huh

[velvet pulsar]

One exalted

One regular

[late hemlock]

Good question you can check it in arsenal stats update

[daring tundra]

when your equiping his exalted wouldnt the other one not work?

like im pretty sure the arcanes wouldnt work so why would the mods?

[velvet pulsar]

No. YOU can. Coz I can't login rn.

[late hemlock]

Im building cyte as mastery fodder so he's ready in a day

[humble solstice]

What does the Incarnon form do because I wasn't impressed by the regular and Primed version at all lol.

[velvet pulsar]

Do u have ivara or temple?

[late hemlock]

Got both of those i could check

[velvet pulsar]

Turns into Nataruk similar fat projectile

[late hemlock]

At work atm though

[humble solstice]

Oh, interesting. Nataruk is pretty good so that's a nice comparison.

[velvet pulsar]

For some odd reason I used to think earlier that Paris incarnon somehow turns into a beam.

It made no sense.

[late hemlock]

Paris got infinite body punch through iirc

But I use it purely as a stat stick I dont actually shoot the thing

[velvet pulsar]

All fat projectile bows got that:
Nataruk
Dread
Paris

[humble solstice]

Yea, it feels extremely weak. MR Fodder at best for me.

[late hemlock]

Oh Nataruk pierces? I remembered it explodes

[humble solstice]

A Gas build is nice with Nataruk. Tried it the other day and it crits hard.

[late hemlock]

Weapons that got incarnon adapters are trash without them by definition

Its why they got incarnon adapters lol

[velvet pulsar]

Explosion is an animation. It doesn't possess radial damage instance.

It's a fat projectile.

[daring tundra]

hate even without the adaptor isnt bad though?

[late hemlock]

Hate is just another melee weapon in the sea of melee weapons

Without the adapter

[velvet pulsar]

Yo so I don't mean to disappoint but electric will also give quite similar performance. Unless you're able to hit more than one gas proc.