builds-discussion

[zealous rapids]

also, you probably low on energy from using gloom, that is somewhat good at keeping your hp up and enemies away from you, but actually lowers efficiency of nuking and usually ability subsumed for roar

[glass rampart]

His main point is not using 2 then 1, he was literally designed with his 4 in mind. His 2 nuke needs augment tax

[floral oxide]

Hi guys, I LOVE nova and gyre. My goal is to get the best builds of such frames in-game.. only problem... I have self esteem issues because someone said using overframe is a scam and super unreliable (Hey, they might be right but I only started Warframe about 2 weeks ago.) Now,, I have built good builds for both (Based on Overframe) BUTTT I'm worried they're super meta and not really super really tested and real. IDK Paranoia? But anyway, if there's non-meta ways to make the build that are just GOATED let me know? I''m using as of this far the most meta builds (upvoted) that are on overframe as of now. Thanks!!!! I really appreciate the input as I am kind of a noobie and LOVE the game and trying to make super fun good, high number builds.
[PS] I bought both their COOLEST skins (Prime) and LOVE the gameplay but don't know if i'm getting the right gameplay out of it because of this "14k hours" player

[zealous rapids]

overframe is super unreliable, because both bad and good builds present there and you can't really tell the difference if you are new to modding

[twilit tulip]

Is there a good guide to building a frame or damage types or something like that? I wanna try to relearn it’s been a long time and I’d like to play hydroid

[floral oxide]

Great to know. that's what they said but it was hard to believe!!

[zealous rapids]

also, you making a big mistake looking at others, the point if for you to have fun

and there is no "right" way to build a frame, since there is different aspects for each frame that you may want to turn into power

[floral oxide]

for sure but it's like, 14k hours and true gameplay and fun stuff,.... ORRR hundreds of players choosing to vote for this build of which they love and have followed.. lol

[zealous rapids]

this game is good because there is not many things that are absolute and set in stone, you should try it out, you can try build 1, don't feel fun, try other build, or make a mix of different builds

for example I play gyre as run and gun frame, I mod a bit of range and a lot of strength, then get a good crit gun, cast 4 then 3 and just run killing whole crowds with single shot

[floral oxide]

Thank you so much Tangor! I will try to experiment on my own. I just don't have much time so i feel like a sheep using other's gameplay as my knowledge and help. But knowing that it's so flexible makes me feel way more ccomfotable tahke you!!

[zealous rapids]

also, it's okay to use non-maxed mods when experimenting if you don't have enough capacity, since using forma need for you to know what exactly you want to mod for

[twilit tulip]

How do you tell what a frame I guess can do or should mod too?

[floral oxide]

Really? I thought you basically HAD to forma, to see if it was a juicer build or not.. Essentially..

[zealous rapids]

I love reading, I guess, I 1st read all tooltips about warframe and its abilities, there is an ability tab in the arsenal that have extra tips for the warframe, then I try to mod while looking how mods change abilities stats

[twilit tulip]

So it’s really just playing with them.

What is shield gating?

[zealous rapids]

shield gate is a time interval, when your shield break you become invulnerable for some time

there are mods that can restore your shields conditionally basically resetting this shield gate duration

[gaunt sapphire]

then what frames use strength and care about shield

besides hildryn cuz i have her

and styanax cuz i also have her

[zealous rapids]

I used that arcane for perita with volt, magistar and melee retaliation

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont think ive ever played volt

like ever

[zealous rapids]

with zenurik school buff you get ~4k shields for the boss fight

I think mag can use this arcane too, basically it's for frames that use a lot of strength to provide extra survivability

[vagrant anvil]

Is tenora prime any good?
I got a riven and might want to build her
Has anyone a good build maybe?

[midnight horizon]

Any frame with shields can use it. In fact you can just use this combo: aegis + 2 shield regen mods + omamori (+cat shields optional). On any frame.

I like it the most when it's on mirage or xaku

[zealous rapids]

or on khora with negative strength+catalyzing shields

[velvet pulsar]

How many mod slots does this take again?
2 for shield recharge delay
One for catalysing shields
Anything else (Fortitude doesn't get used here)

[zealous rapids]

don't you just use brief respite + maybe augurs for catalyzing shields

and with negative strength and expertize you get even less shields to restore

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah just 3
And then one for aegis
Then for extra measures, max efficiency which takes 2 mods and then an augur mod.

[velvet pulsar]

That's pointless

You don't need that if you're using Catalysing Shields

If you're aware about the bug

[charred gale]

Omamori as well if u wanna be extra safe

[velvet pulsar]

I guess
There's also hideous resistance/well of life/titania subsume for status immunity

Rather than expertise, circumvent can up your chances.

Though I use Nullifier so long.

Maybe it's time to switch to circumvent

[gaunt sapphire]

not gonna lie

i dont like any of the starter frames

[velvet pulsar]

It was understandable but volt exists so...

[gaunt sapphire]

volt i have looked at extensively but i refuse to play

[glass bolt]

tf happened to my exalted blade crit damage

[velvet pulsar]

He's versatile.
Can be made braindead or hyperactive as per preference.

[zealous rapids]

I made a small test, with catalyzing shields I get 93 shields on khora, that means I need to use 62 energu to restore them fully with brief respite
with expertise and 40% strength it gets down to 37 shields and now I need to spent just 25 energy for full shield restore

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont like his abilities nor his design

[velvet pulsar]

So u don't know the bug then

[gaunt sapphire]

i like support frames and i like spellcasters

[zealous rapids]

I don't calculate bugs when making builds, since I expect them to get eventually fixed

[gaunt sapphire]

mag is good but her kit doesnt seem worth it to me

[velvet pulsar]

You try the entire test without needing to restore max shields.
See how much gate u have.
Assuming u have Catalysing Shields equipped.

[vagrant anvil]

Mag is great imo
But she needs work to get her
And is not a starter friendly frame imo

[velvet pulsar]

And no, catalysing shields bug has been existing since months, probably since release

[gaunt sapphire]

i just dont like how she is played

[vagrant anvil]

It changes with augment and helminth

[velvet pulsar]

I can't really say in this matter coz my starter was Styanax.

[gaunt sapphire]

i didnt look too deep into the helminths, augments looked ok but only like 2

[vagrant anvil]

How

[velvet pulsar]

[velvet pulsar]

Free 50th warframe in 2022

[gaunt sapphire]

see the coolest frames are the ones with many viable augments or usable augments imo

[vagrant anvil]

I see

[gaunt sapphire]

equinox is one of my favorites, she has many good augments

[pallid quiver]

Mag is pretty cool

[gaunt sapphire]

shes just not as fun thooughhh

[velvet pulsar]

Big Bubble is funny

No cap on how many u cast

Can cover entire map by spam

[gaunt sapphire]

i like versatility but not too much, volt is farrrr too versatile and mag just isnt fun and im not certain why

[velvet pulsar]

So the "too much versatility" problem is that you have too many options to choose from?

[zealous rapids]

just went into mission, whipclaw costing 25 energy restores exactly 37 shields which is my max shields with that setup, and I get around 1 second shield gate when I get damage, casting whipclaw again resets it

[velvet pulsar]

I'll give u exact value

It's the exact same 1.33s shield gate of catalysing shields

Which means it's inconsequential to restore full shields when you're using Catalysing Shields because it locks ur gate to 1.33s

Even when you'll have max efficiency and higher shields than augur mod restoration, catalysing shields will give full 1.33s shield gate.

And I'm not gonna pretend that "I'll not use bugs because they're unstable for future builds"

Because that means the entire game is unstable.

[gaunt sapphire]

yes im a very indecisive person sometimes

especially with modular systems like kitguns and zaws

or even sometimes frame and weapon modding

[velvet pulsar]

Kitguns have a straightforward choice

Zaws can be difficult

Frame modding inclination should be majorly in survivability IMO but yeah "how much" is a valid question.

[zealous rapids]

I have very different experience, when I used it on koumei I was getting practically one-shot if I didn't restore shields fully, it was like shield gate ended almost instantly, since i was using impetus so I had high efficiency and shield restore was minimal

[gaunt sapphire]

unrelated but i miss old oberon

new oberon is good its just revenantslop bait

not unless you use one of the augments of course though

[velvet pulsar]

I can ping several different people here and they'll also tell u that catalysing shields ignores max shields requirement.

Including ninjase the famous build creator.

U can even go and test rn
One augur mod, not restore the max shields but have Catalysing Shields, you'll still get 1.33s gate

[velvet pulsar]

Old Oberon tech which new Oberon can also do:
https://youtu.be/kasR3HwskR4?si=NR3NYMBIMSpNavhf

[fierce lark]

late response but it’s literally just hildryn

[velvet pulsar]

Harrow as well

Styanax if u care about his passive.

[fierce lark]

harrow doesn’t care about modding his base shield, he builds more than enough duration to hit 2 minute penance

[velvet pulsar]

Neat

[fierce lark]

iirc doing math on styanax, if you add expertise and primed redirect to a high strength build you get somewhere around 5k shields

which is a total additive cc of about 125%

[velvet pulsar]

With or without speargun?

[fierce lark]

without

if you’re a ferrox enjoyer double that

[zealous rapids]

I like scourge more

[fierce lark]

i don’t even remember what the scourge’s gimmick is

[zealous rapids]

does it work on spears from styanax 4?

[velvet pulsar]

I've shot many dargyns and thumpers with scourge back in the day

[zealous rapids]

headshot attractor

[fierce lark]

no lol just actual spear guns

[zealous rapids]

I mean scourge effect

[fierce lark]

oh

[velvet pulsar]

Afentis will get a prime this year

[zealous rapids]

do these ability spears even have headshot bonus?

[jovial tiger]

for gauss prime what archon shards should i use?

[velvet pulsar]

Duration has highest use

(red shards)

[fierce lark]

holy aegrit prime hype

[velvet pulsar]

I completely forgot about it

[zealous rapids]

have you ever used normal aegrit past getting mastery for it?

[fierce lark]

1-2 cast speed if you’re doing sunder build or hybrid, rest duration

if pure weapons you can go all duration

[velvet pulsar]

Never even farmed Kahl missions

This free styanax I have will dissolve into helminth once I get the prime

[jovial tiger]

ty guys so much

[fierce lark]

archon vitality

[velvet pulsar]

Rank 0 unless u forma rich

[fierce lark]

i ended up buying a second archon vitality so i could rank up the 2nd one for Uriel

and then just forma’d my mesa and gauss and put the ranked one on them

and then realized archon vitality mesa is bait but im already invested

[velvet pulsar]

I was tempted to get a 2nd maxed rank one for uriel

But I didn't need that in practical playstyle.

Also just a rank 0 is enough to push him above 720 health for full stacking Necrophagic Vigor.

[fierce lark]

more health makes me feel better for some reason

[velvet pulsar]

U can use the basmu augment too if u have more health

Though I highly doubt you'll have enough to max stack that one

Not like basmu is as good as coda hema anyway

[floral oxide]

Just did my first Entrati bounty thing... Help?? I can't seem to make myself understand parts of this game,

PS: I just finished kind-of making this Gyre-prime build.

[hard dove]

What's the bounty modifier?

[floral oxide]

No clue my friend. i'm so new

[vagrant anvil]

Do u guys think voruna is next prime?

[hard dove]

Reread the bounty description

[vagrant anvil]

I want to build perigale but if the prime comes soon I rather save up the forma

[fierce lark]

Voruna citrine styanax kullervo

I forget the order but that’s the likely prime lineup this year

[vagrant anvil]

Insee

I didn't got kullervo as I hate duviri grind lmao so thats nice for me

[floral oxide]

Dog. I can't even look at my previous bounty modifiers I have NO absolute clue. This is all just blowing my mind

[hard dove]

Is this the cavia or deimos bounty?
Did you do the bounty in a lab or infested wasteland?

[floral oxide]

iI'm in the deimos area I believe. I did a bounty in a lab for fun to kind of test this build of which i just unlocked this campaign mission for.. etc. idkkkkk

[fierce lark]

someone who’s new isn’t doing cavia bounties

[floral oxide]

Honestly i'd pay money for someone to just explain and goof off in a vc i'm so out of it tbh. hmu--- Cashapp and paypal at disposal

[fierce lark]

deimos infested do some weird stuff, and a lot of them are fully immune to viral

[compact cypress]

what should i change on my nova

[nocturne heron]

how should i build furis? including incarnon upgrades

[pallid quiver]

Negative damage with rivens

[vestal lintel]

What should i change? Idk what statuses would be best with it (Incarnon) (I can put more forma on)

[dapper glen]

Does volt passive trigger archon stretch ?

[nocturne heron]

skajatl or broken war?

[dapper glen]

honestly ? if you want to play a nikana, i would recommand the syam, a nikana with an heavy strike gimmick that launch a shockwave

[midnight horizon]

Neither. Different categories, can't compare

[nocturne heron]

.... what performs better in steel path

easy to compare

[midnight horizon]

Broken war ig

[nocturne heron]

aight ty

[midnight horizon]

But you can get the xoris for free too and it's better than both combined

If we're gonna do comparisons here.

[nocturne heron]

yeah but id have to get some mods for it and forma it and im honestly too lazy for that

i wanna run them for the drip mainly

[midnight horizon]

Isn't that.. the same for literally any weapon

[nocturne heron]

yeah but i already have the mods for skajatl and broken war so uh

[midnight horizon]

If you're talking about drip I suggest going for war actually

Fix the broken war into war, better drip

[dapper glen]

but honestly : Play the weapon you feel most comfortable with
I am completely inseparable from my Verdilac

[nocturne heron]

oo but then i loose broken war forever right?

[midnight horizon]

You can get it again from stalker. I suggest get a copy of broken war first from stalker and turn that one into war

Don't do what I did

[nocturne heron]

aight

[vagrant anvil]

Can someone help me building my tenora prime?
I got a riven with
+107 cd
75 heat
2 punch through

Is primary acuity better than ms on it idk

I just like to use it with crux so I can shoot much much longer like an LMG

[gaunt minnow]

Basmu build?

No? 💔

[velvet pulsar]

The augment wasn't enough to rise it much.

[gaunt minnow]

Oof

What about the krohkur or twin krohkur, is that any good?

[velvet pulsar]

That's something I only got aware about coz of MR grind.

It's even more ignored

[gaunt minnow]

💔

[viscid bane]

Is Coda Mire mostly a slam weapon? How does it perform as a regular melee?

[karmic badger]

Generic melee influence light attack build

[karmic badger]

Duration is more important for nova than range, particularly if you're using her 4

[viscid bane]

How does it compare to Prisma Skana Incarnon?

[karmic badger]

Both are light attack spam melee influence weapons, skiajati gets the benefit of imo better stances but you have to work around the sacrificial mod set, unless you forma over the umbral slots

[karmic badger]

Coda mire is better i suppose? You get a progenitor element and you'll always have the option of forced toxin on slams

[viscid bane]

Am I stupid or you can't go for it since there'snoxin built in. Or am I just unlucky with progenitor (Impact)?

[karmic badger]

You add both toxin and cold mods to make viral, then an electric mod

Its a bit wonky, but that's what you have to do work around the innate toxin. Why else do people focus on slam builds

Also impact is a bad progenitor element

Most people prefer electric or magnetic

[viscid bane]

And If I switch the progenitor element to cold would it make viral with inate toxin?

[vagrant anvil]

Is the nagantaka any good
I cant make it work

[viscid bane]

or just change to electric?

[karmic badger]

Yes, but any mods you add on mix with the innate toxin first iirc

If you got an elemental vice, feel free to swap between cold and electric, see how the elements mix

[viscid bane]

It would take me 5 days to test that since I don't have any formas 💀

Where is plague star when you need it?

[stray tangle]

How do i calculate weapon dps with multiple warframe buffs active?

[velvet pulsar]

I went for heat progenitor on mire to make gas instead of viral

[gilded gazelle]

Hello guysn, I'm about to craft a zaw for lvl cap and I don't know wich one do I need to use, all builds I can see is old one so if someone have the best zaw build for lvl cap and any ennemie, I'd really like to have it !

[trim hill]

Arcane is Debilitate

[gaunt minnow]

Does it work in SP?

[trim hill]

Oh yes

[gaunt minnow]

Bet, ty

[gaunt minnow]

Wouldnt it be better to mod it with viral and radiation to get cold, heat, toxin, and electric with debilitate?

[trim hill]

You can, yeah

But you'll have to drop something else, and just about every mod besides the two 60/60s are necessary, imo

Outsource viral using a companion/primer/ability and you're gold

[gaunt minnow]

Fair enough

[stray tangle]

for gyre, using conductive spheres, is it worth subsuming shock over 2nd and then using shock trooper, or is subsuming nourish/roar, and using the augment slot for something else better?

[timber monolith]

Okay... Hear me out Warframe...

5 Tau Forged Blue Archon Shards in Trinity for Max armor. Arcane Battery. Two Umbra Forma and Primary Bulwark.

Trinity now has 80% damage resist. 1000 energy. Ability strength 250% and 500% extra damage on primary weapons.

[gaunt minnow]

Let us know how it works

[timber monolith]

🫡

Arcane Battery and Primary Bulwark really change the game for high armor builds

[late hemlock]

If you go for battery why would you run bulwark and not overcharge

Not that I think this meme build is worth your time either way lol

[muted relic]

guys for nokko how many green shards should i use rn ive got 1 tauforged yellow 2 normal yellow and 2 normal red i dont wanna give up too much casting speed tho

[old marsh]

petition for 2 primary arcane slots

will be cinema

[timber monolith]

Im not running a high shield Trinity with this set-up. Overcharge won't give much multi shot.

Don't need a lot of shields with over 1400 armor

[late hemlock]

Overcharge has nothing to do with shields

[timber monolith]

My mistake.
Besides, Bulwark is filling in the base damage slot.

[rotund vale]

could use some insight on this one...
I am thinking of doing an arcane avenger on my frame that gives a flat 45% crit chance for anything.
So even the bubonico that has a 3% crit chance and 3,5x base crit dmg multiplier would turn into a 48% crit chance weapon right?
But i also know multishot is interesting for bubonico.
(bubonico also only deals 2 impact dmg so -45,1% impact won't hurt much)
but what should i stick to?

[old marsh]

Given Bubo’s dispo. That too for Kuva. U will only be using it for combining elements. Just so u could make it an excellent primer
Don’t bother with a riven if u plan to make Kuva Bubo for DPS

[rotund vale]

mh mhh yeh i heard there was gonna be a coda version.
so curious what kinda stats would be interesting for it.
but guess its also partly just waiting till it's statline is revealed.

[old marsh]

Oh ye. My b. Coda yes.
Best guess DE just buffs the CC or maybe they do it like Kuva Tonkor

[rotund vale]

ohhh there was also the ghoul saw now that i think of it

[late hemlock]

I hope they give coda bubo a unique gimmick as a buff over stats, those are my favorite types of upgrade

Though bubonico is already feature rich

[rotund vale]

ohh that be great~
while i dont see it happening doing a gimmick thing with a tenet opticor would be amazing ❤️

[late hemlock]

First a tenet opticor would need to exist

[rotund vale]

cough pierce bubbles & ice shields would be nice cough

[late hemlock]

For the quanta I hope they make the alt fire good instead of just making another chain beam

[rotund vale]

yeh.... there is already a vandal for it, so chances are low

[late hemlock]

Quanta also has a vandal

[rotund vale]

im surprised they picked quanta, since there are already so many versions of it right?

[old marsh]

Ye but Mutalist is considered separate and not a Quanta variant

[rotund vale]

quanta, mutalist quanta, vandal quanta, paracyst sorta

[deep grotto]

Both mutalists are considered their own weo

That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not a quanta

[old marsh]

Basically when u try to pick it in EDA/ETA, u can’t pick Mutalist if it says Quanta

[deep grotto]

They just coded it differently for some reason

[rotund vale]

its more a lore thing i think yeh

[deep grotto]

But it’s still essentially a Quanta

They probably just didn’t wanna buff anything else ngl

Which i can understand since a lot of others would be p strong

[rotund vale]

tenet ambassador would be welcome too

[karmic badger]

The quanta brings hope that amprex would also get the tenet treatment

Since both are technically industrial tools and not genuine weapons

[late hemlock]

The original chain beam huh

[old marsh]

Pablo refused 😭

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[rotund vale]

i still miss a part for it XD

[coral crest]

They made it a skin

You're not getting it any time soon

[old marsh]

Everyone does

[coral crest]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Ambassador_Tenet_Skin

[rotund vale]

😵‍💫 for me its the blueprint

[karmic badger]

Which is frakin stupid

[coral crest]

It came out alongside the sisters

[karmic badger]

I accidentally farmed the whole set while grinding intrinsics...

[velvet pulsar]

U want styanax prime?
Get a skin instead of stat boosts.

[rotund vale]

lucky you

[old marsh]

Everyone has the same issue

[rotund vale]

2 days ago i finaly got the galatine prime bp.... just what... 5 year late XD?

[old marsh]

only acceptable if its this skin

[karmic badger]

I got 7 of each component and 2 main blueprints lmao

[rotund vale]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-not-playing-hand-it-over-give-it-here-gif-4575914747970682174

[old marsh]

u r not a real Warframe player then. only real ones r still missing the main BP to this day

[old marsh]

cough up 40p

[compact cypress]

is a dual zoren riven worth rolling on?

[rotund vale]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[karmic badger]

No cause the prime exists and has shid dispo

[compact cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/tohru-honda-tohru-honda-fruits-basket-fruits-gif-1020039318310337767

[undone dust]

it's worth rolling into the trash

[karmic badger]

Rule of thumb, rivens are only for incarnons and weapons you care about

[compact cypress]

ive got a 250 cc latron one

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/sultan-running-with-chappal-to-hit-him-gangs-of-wasseypur-gif-21394833

[karmic badger]

I didn't know the latron had an engine

How many horses? What's the torque like?

[coral crest]

1, 4 if you play Dagath

[compact cypress]

atleast 2 horses

[karmic badger]

Is that like a 2 stroke engine?

[coral crest]

That's what they used to call-

[compact cypress]

no but i do like stroking

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[coral crest]

Stop stroking your Latron

[karmic badger]

Speaking of dagath, what's the price for deluxe bundles?

[coral crest]

We don't know yet

[velvet pulsar]

Get a latron armor

[coral crest]

It'll depend on what else they're gonna package

[karmic badger]

Damn. Probably just buying the skin then

Kaithe skin is cool and all, but im probably not picking it up

[coral crest]

Sometimes it's as little as a weapon, a cosmetic, and a syandana/ephemera

Sometimes it's like 5 million things

[velvet pulsar]

Why buying something which u won't see

[rotund vale]

im guessing people dont like the silva & aegis prime?

[undone dust]

at least one probably

[karmic badger]

I mean, i could use the kaithe while doing deimos bounties

Absolutely style on an MR5 trying to farm aya

[velvet pulsar]

Latchers don't attack u on kaithe?

[karmic badger]

I have i frames

The kaithe can Korean Backdash

[old marsh]

i will just cop the Dagath Deluxe. the bundles r usually meh

[karmic badger]

Maybe the ephemera

[old marsh]

ooh ye. forgot about the ponies

but nah. i will wait 4 yrs for it to come to a daily sale

[tranquil plover]

will negation armor kill me no matter what

[vagrant anvil]

Is it dumb to ubra forma wisp to use the unbra strength mod?
I dont know really what to mod wisp?
I assume strength build is the way ?

[velvet pulsar]

Archon Intensify

[karmic badger]

You need a way to damage yourself reliably for archon intensify

[velvet pulsar]

There's 2-3 different approaches for that
However u don't even need that, u can rather heal something else which doesn't have full HP

[vagrant anvil]

I want kind of an easy build where I don't have to keep looking at something and play ngl

[velvet pulsar]

Take the umbral then
Unless u wanna use precision

[vagrant anvil]

Nah dont want to go all for her 4th

[dire patrol]

who you playing

[vagrant anvil]

I need survivability and allround build

[vagrant anvil]

Just a few comments above
Wisp

[karmic badger]

Your survival method is spamming her 2

[dire patrol]

aw i cant rlly help , haven’t gave wisp much thought

[vagrant anvil]

Keep teleporting u mean?

[karmic badger]

No, her 2 makes you invisible

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-boss-gif-15807632592168015553

[velvet pulsar]

Gaseous Snake

[lyric lion]

Could someone point me to where dojo building help would be?

[karmic badger]

And unlike her passive, you can keep shooting while invisible with her 2

[velvet pulsar]

Double tap her 2 to become invulnerable for some seconds
Triple tap her 2 to also become invisible

Or just single tap for just invisible

[karmic badger]

As long as the ghost is flying, you're invisible

[vagrant anvil]

I see

[velvet pulsar]

Asstral projection

[compact cypress]

whats the best general use amp for cascade and such

[hard dove]

X47 (last gasp use) or X77

[compact cypress]

does the prism only effect the firing mode or do they have unique stats

[coral crest]

only firing mode

brace is only alt fire

but x4x is much better than most of them, usually

[compact cypress]

and x7x is the best used for eidolons right?

[fathom sky]

177 for Eidolons

[muted relic]

guys for nokko how many green shards should i use rn ive got 1 tauforged yellow 2 normal yellow and 2 normal red i dont wanna give up too much casting speed tho

[dire gulch]

what do you intend the green shards for?

[muted relic]

toxin dmg

[dire gulch]

Honestly you can trade one normal yellow for 2 toxin greens

you already have over +50% cast speed

nokkos abilities arent slow

[muted relic]

aight

[dire gulch]

actually wait I miscounted

you can trade 1 yellow for a green, what are the reds doing?

str or dur?

[muted relic]

lemme check i forgot i havent hopped on in awhile

[leaden thistle]

Exactly~

[muted relic]

duration

[leaden thistle]

Thing builds stacks like it's nothing

[dire gulch]

drop 1 for another green imo

nokko has no issues recasting thanks to brightbonnet

[muted relic]

ok

ty

[nova swift]

177 for eidolon speedruns 147/547 for general use and 153 /w logistics for a meme that actually works

[fierce lark]

wisp triggers it on gaining the max hp buff

and reservoirs snapshot strength at the time of cast, as well as keep the highest buff active even if you refresh duration on a weaker one

so you only have to trigger it once

(if they're all you care about strength wise)

[daring tundra]

i have this dante build i have been working on that main shoots fast and can be used to heat prime it so that i can do maximum damage with bookwarden but there are a couple things im not sure about like what weapon would be best to use for that purpose? like i tried using ocucor but i have noticed that it keeps running out all the time because bookwarden keeps getting the kills any suggestions?

[strong marsh]

guys left or right(saryn- venom dose/roar/3 tau dmg+1 tau )riven:dmg/cc/cd

[lean warren]

Can someone help me understand how to get status immunity? I know about firewalker but I'm trying to avoid having to use the helminth.

Theorycrafting a persistence excal and I'd prefer to use wrathful advance as my helminth

[fierce lark]

own primed sure footed (for knockdowns) or run arcane circumvent and roll through eximus

[lean warren]

sure footed is just knockdown, right? It doesn't stop magnetic or corrosive from turning off persistence

[fierce lark]

yes

rolling guard removes statuses and makes you immune to everything for 3s

[fierce lark]

arcane nullifier makes you immune to magnetic status

if that's your main concern

[lean warren]

is there nothing that just gives status immunity?

[fierce lark]

passive full status immunity would be insane lol of course not

[lean warren]

Afaik corrosive and heat can also take you under the armor threshold so I'm concerned about those too

[fierce lark]

barely anything in the game applies corrosive and of those, most are infested

heat will cut your armor in half but if you're worried about that run rolling guard

[lean warren]

Heat's pretty common though

[leaden thistle]

Voruna's passive when using the 2nd wolf also immune
Or just having Overguard in general... I think

[fierce lark]

what level content are you even doing that you want to make persistence work

[late hemlock]

At that point just run revenant lol

[leaden thistle]

Any amount of Overguard will grant immunity as well.
Ok so yeah, Overguard is immunity

[fierce lark]

this conversation is honestly a really good example of why persistence is overrated and not worth running outside of lvlcap runs

too much bullshitting around to make it work vs slapping conversion adaptation blessing

[leaden thistle]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Status_Effect#Status_Immunity Here you go, a list of what stops status effects :)

[fierce lark]

in case you missed context they were specifically looking for something they can run on excal without helminth

[leaden thistle]

Ah, then yeah Overguard

Secondary Arcane has one, the defense steal arcane from Triad are both easy options

[karmic badger]

If its excal, you can just slash dash any status effect

[late hemlock]

Excal just gates with slash dash i guess

[fierce lark]

i know slash dash is immune during the anim but it doesn't remove statuses does it? 🤔

[late hemlock]

Only with the augment

But you can pop it with an augur to gate which is good enough

[leaden thistle]

You can get this one from Sisters of Parvos in Ascension, or as a chance in Nokko Bounties. Also purchaseable with the related materials at Ordis in camp, and Nightcap in the vents
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Secondary_Fortifier

[daring tundra]

not fulll on immunity just status removal

would be better to swap the augment with rolling gaurd if your using it for that

[nova swift]

theres not much aboutside of using subsumes sadly, you can check out agall on youtube (hes an excal one trick) and his latest build features spellbind from titania for status immunity so you only need 700 armor

[fierce lark]

i didn't feel like giving the often-unproductive answer of "just shield gate because excal is perfect for it"

[nova swift]

yea just shield gate through infested survival ;D

[fierce lark]

infested survival with a frame that doesn't say "extra loot" somewhere smile

[karmic badger]

Who fights infested without a loot frame

[daring tundra]

i do

but then again dont have a loot frame yet

[karmic badger]

At this point my survival strategy is just last gasp with madurai and a 147 amp

[fierce lark]

if you're actually worried about slash dashing into a random mutlist osprey and dying, you can equip circumvent for infested missions

in sp starchart 10k overguard will usually last a full mission, especially if you're spamming 1 and wiping a map of infested with influence exalted blade lol

[daring tundra]

did i build this right for heat inherit purpose? also i know galvanized shot isnt as effective as the normal one hereif i just want to haveit heat inherit but i wanted to make sure it could atleast do some damage still

[thorn oak]

mirage

and before anything is said I dont have primed continuity leveled up so archon is there

[fierce lark]

this is probably about right, but also max your expel mod lol

this does mean if you use a heat inherit primer for another weapon, that weapon won't be able to stack galv mods or arcanes, i think

assuming you're using it for a heat nuke

[mental flame]

is the ballistica good?

sorry, ballistica prime

or should i just sell it for plat

[fierce lark]

make it for MR

[mental flame]

i can do a billion other things for mr

also what's the purpose of mr, over a certain point? just for swag?

what do i have after mr16? just blessings at mr30?

[fierce lark]

swag, makes formaing easier, increases daily standing caps, daily focus cap, at mr30 you unlock the blessings font and gain a bunch of riven slots

and loadout slots i think

[mental flame]

daily standing caps
slowly
daily focus cap
i dont care much about focus + i need lenses anyway
makes formaing easier,
how
at mr30 you unlock the blessings font and gain a bunch of riven slots
wow that's very near of my mr rank of 12

i looked at the wiki and saw it's a charge secondary weapon

ill sell it

[fierce lark]

the initial mod capacity of anything you get is half your MR rounded down + 15

[mental flame]

i still need to acquire formas and level the weapon

doesnt change that

how is the weapon itself tho

[undone dust]

buns

[fierce lark]

if you are mr2 and you forma something with a potato, you have 32 capacity

if you are mr30 and you forma something with a potato, you have 60 capacity

it is easier to level weapons when you can kill things in your day to day content rather than having to go out of your way to do plains affinity farming or something else because your weapon is useless still

[mental flame]

like, bad?

[undone dust]

bad buns

[mental flame]

what?

what does buns mean

[undone dust]

shit

[mental flame]

ight

[fierce lark]

the weapon sucks yes

[mental flame]

your day to day content
most of the day to day content i enjoy doesnt require much damage

[fierce lark]

im assmuing you didn't craft it already

[mental flame]

ight ill sell then, the set is like, 60 plat

[mental flame]

no i didnt i just randomly have the blueprints

[undone dust]

its only use is that the clones from it allow you to get 2 per scans per enemy because you can scan the clone after the initial enemy (doesnt work on eximus though)

[mental flame]

huh uh doesn't understand

[novel bear]

There’s the carnis set if you’re using heavy attacks

[undone dust]

codex scan enemy
kill enemy with weapon
codex scan clone

[fierce lark]

oh yeah i guess you could equip carnis mandible & stinger on statsticks and get 4s status immunity every time you tennokai something

[mental flame]

to check what stuff i have jet yet to rank i have to look here, right? if i rank something and then delete it to make space, it will stay ranked and shit here right?

[fierce lark]

not actually sure, i just use alecaframe for all that

[near vortex]

You don't lose MR for deleting things.

[mental flame]

i know

i was asking if this was the correct place to check progress

[strong marsh]

👀

[spare lake]

Hey all does anyone know whether enduring affliction on melee works with Khoras strangledome? Does the dome actually proc lifted on enemies it grabs?

[fathom sky]

Yeah. Always max it out before you delete anything though, and most of the quest weapons are a pain to get back so don't sell those at all. At the bare minimum, MR 18 lets you unlock all the weapons, and the extra trades as you rank up MR are really nice

[mental flame]

Yeah. Always max it out before you delete anything though, and most of the quest weapons are a pain to get back so don't sell those at all
ye for sure, ill do that now. i dunno if i sold anything from quests before, i dont think so tho

[fierce lark]

no

[mental flame]

to get rid of weapons already mastered that i dont want, can i just sell them for credits or can i do something more useful with them?

[fierce lark]

some weapons are used to build other weapons

[mental flame]

i see

[spare lake]

Also is nourish good on khora or should I look at something else for a subsume?

Was going to subsume over venari

This is what I have rn I figure that its a good start and was thinking nourish would be nice for energy economy

[fierce lark]

dispensary or lycath's, assuming you're doing survival looting

also your damage is gonna suffer without the whipclaw augment

[zealous rapids]

I find dispensary easier to use, lycath require equilibrium and has actually low drop rates at start because of low strength

[fierce lark]

equilibrium do be equipped

khora needs a lot of energy so overkill to be safer while shield gating isn't a bad thing

[zealous rapids]

you can also try nokko shroom too

[spare lake]

yeah the whipclaw aug im going to add once I get the standing just gotta wait for refresh, and I think ill use nourish in the interim I actually dont have protea yet

[fierce lark]

oh yeah brightbonnet is probably good enough

[fierce lark]

ability strength on whipclaw is multi with base damage, the reason khoras run negative strength usually is because the damage from accumulating whipclaw is calculated as ability strength on whip claw

if you run 45% strength, then until molt augmented is stacked you're cutting your damage by more than half

[spare lake]

Yeah like I said I should be able to get it tonight

[fierce lark]

i would heavily recommend you drop overextended until then

also you don't need brief respite and an augur mod

[spare lake]

Just dont want to spend the plat on a mod I can get in like 15 mins with standing lol

[zealous rapids]

if you have spares overextended you can use lower rank one

[fierce lark]

atp just use stretch

which should be slotted anyways tbh

[late hemlock]

if you mastered a weapon and sell it then it will still show up as mastered yeah

[fierce lark]

looting khora just wants all the range ever

[fallow shale]

Hi, I'm double-checking my knowledge of Archon mods

I know that Archon Stretch can be triggered by companions depending on Bond Mods and weapons

But do the built-in Exhalted Weapons on the Warframes that have them trigger them if modded to do the corresponding damage type?

I seen some people say no, and others yes

[fierce lark]

only if the exalted doesn't drain energy

if it drains energy over time, like excal's blade, you can't rege energy so archon stretch won't do anything

[spare lake]

What about this then?

[mental flame]

Ty

[fallow shale]

So, Valkyr’s Talons camt use them?

[fierce lark]

nope

but if it's something like baruuk's desert wind or a pseudo-exalted like atlas fist which don't drain energy over time, those will let you benefit from archon stretch

[spare lake]

Also this is what im running for whipclaw

[fierce lark]

run magnetic+vortex if you have it

influence is not ideal for looting, it can chain to enemies outside the dome

or you can just run exposure

[zealous rapids]

when exalted is part of actual ability and apply that status directly it will trigger archon mods

[fierce lark]

yeah i suppose i didn't specify, exalted weapons will trigger anything that says "ability", including archon mods

but archon stretch specifically won't benefit exalted weapons that drain energy over time, because you can't regen energy

[zealous rapids]

example of exalted that is not part of ability will be garuda claws

[spare lake]

yeah vortex would be nice but I dont have any copies and 147 p is out of my price range rn lol

[hollow mantle]

They need to buff the Prime/Sancti/Normal Tigris so. bad..

[fierce lark]

oh yeah that's weird

[late hemlock]

funny to see tigris so low when it used to be a best weapon contender

[hollow mantle]

I miss my Slash proc sniper Tigris

Now it's the only Shotgun even with a RIven that just does jack shit

[late hemlock]

the game also just evolved into giga AOEs

so tigris design just doesnt fit the game

[hollow mantle]

I still run mostly single target weapons, Mesa's 4 does enough AOE for me I just really enjoy single target weapons.

The Tigris reload makes me feel a sort of way

[zealous rapids]

that's because in high level content you need to keep your kill/min up or you lose

[vestal lintel]

What do you guys recommend to use on latron prime Incarnon? Idk to go for corrosive, viral or something else😭

[modest vine]

heat/viral imo

[zealous rapids]

I use corrosive

[hollow mantle]

Corrosive is king

[zealous rapids]

but you can even just focus on puncture, and that gun will still work

[hollow mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-green-goblin-tobey-maguire-grenade-pumpkin-bomb-gif-26756291

[mossy juniper]

hello i have a question about sobek

[vestal lintel]

Infected clip or malignant force? For electricity i only have storm bringer

[mossy juniper]

so im looking at this build

[hollow mantle]

I just wanted a super stupid looking screenshot

I don't use the Strun with the Status evolution

[zealous rapids]

760 status chance

[mossy juniper]

would i need this riven with this build?

[hollow mantle]

You don't need a riven for a Sobek to work but that would definitely make it feel stupid easy

[mossy juniper]

so the riven be too much>

[warped osprey]

Anyone got a Good build for Mesa Prime?

[late hemlock]

what frame are you using the sobek with?

[mossy juniper]

Sayrn

[late hemlock]

would just replace magnetic strafe, you do not care about elements that arent toxin

i dont think clip delegation is worth it either

[mossy juniper]

clip is stupid good

[late hemlock]

clip doesnt affect the damage of acid shells so cant say i care

[undone dust]

little bit of a niche thing that doesnt really matter that much
but if you use galv savvy you should use narrow barrel over galv acceleration because for some reason savvy ignores damage falloff on sobek

[zealous rapids]

but it affects how fast you kill to trigger acid shells

[warped osprey]

Anyone got Mesa Prime Build?

[late hemlock]

i mean saryn 1-2 taps mobs in ETA so i just dont care for playing around clip delegation

but sure if you want to play around the mod i suppose

[fierce lark]

ramps the single target damage up a lot, makes killing eximus/acolytes/thrax a lot easier if you don't care to use a second weapon for that

delegation is more of a levelcap cascade thing

[hollow mantle]

Dm

[fierce lark]

but lashid shells is already overkill as is, may as well make killing initial targets easier

[undone dust]

fart shells

[late hemlock]

im just saying that for most content you make mobs easier to kill by just slapping raw damage and ignoring clip delegation, if you want to build around levelcap sure thats a different beast on its own

[fierce lark]

well like

even at a baseline, it's stronger than galvanized hell, you lose 20% multishot for 225% status chance

unless you're somehow missing more than a quarter of your shots lol

[late hemlock]

or just reloading before emptying the mag

maybe its just a playstyle difference but sometimes i just reload during downtime instead of waiting to empty?

[fierce lark]

maybe it's just tileset dependent

if density is high enough, most reloads will be from empty

[late hemlock]

either way you onetap the highest relevant content so cant say i feel a need to change my playstyle around

[mossy juniper]

so this build would be better?

[late hemlock]

i mean i reload after popping a mob which kills the room half the time lol

[fierce lark]

this is just the baseline acid shells build for saryn/spider assuming you only care about acid shells damage

[late hemlock]

iirc you want to run pure toxin because it affects the toxin dot damage

[undone dust]

you can flip flop the bane with clip dele if you run roar if you really want to tbh but either way its saryn so

[fierce lark]

it only cares that toxin mods are present

combining them doesn't do anything

[late hemlock]

oh not about the final element?

huh

[fierce lark]

elemental imbues calculate weird

at least wiht acid shells

[undone dust]

theyre evil and dumb

[late hemlock]

either way im running ravage and decelrate myself, the crits are p good

especially since you wanna run primary blight

[undone dust]

i assume it's the same with the other acid shell esque mods

[fierce lark]

it calculates base damage x matching element x all element x status x faction

[mossy juniper]

can someone show me what i should do with sobek then?

[late hemlock]

im running this because im too lazy for banes

[fierce lark]

what you posted is fine

[undone dust]

we HATE banes!!

i feel like having both savvy and primed pb is a bit much

[late hemlock]

i just kill with upfront damage so it feels good to use

[undone dust]

honestly fair

[late hemlock]

roar + toxic lash + venom does gives you so much frontloaded damage enemies die

[fierce lark]

no toxin shards?

[late hemlock]

i have 2 toxin shards

[undone dust]

you could probably hand saryn a limp spaghetti noodle and it would wipe a whole planet anyway

[fierce lark]

toxic barrage should do more than elementalist

[mossy juniper]

i just want me sayrn and sobek be good friends

[late hemlock]

ig i can give barrage a try but elementalist is more qol? could also combine to viral but honestly i dont think it matters at this point lol

[undone dust]

i feel like both would do more than ppb

[fierce lark]

toxin dmg double dips acid shells and adds status chance, elementalist only single dips and is additive with shards

ye i think the above posted ninjase build that was pure viral is the most acid shells damage you can get if that's your goal

but atp you're minmaxing, you kill 1 enemy with sobek with toxic lash and the map is gone with any functional build

[undone dust]

you basically breathe death

[fierce lark]

saryn sobek was one of the first things i went to cap with

the other first thing was saryn jat kittag, because vulcan blitz does the same thing with a much lower radius

[late hemlock]

last time i went to cap it was ivara i think

in like t4 survival

how the mighty have fallen

[fierce lark]

i took my lvl 0 ivara p to lvl 30 in a cascade fissure yday and went to 800 before the group decided to leave

i then learned how unbelievably strong circumvent is

[old marsh]

Based. Using Jat Kittag. Respect

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717813343431294986/1019639317674602588/779868360929312769.gif

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[mossy juniper]

why jat over spinerax

[undone dust]

basically sobek if it was a hammer

[near vortex]

Circumvent is an arcane that was designed lol

[fierce lark]

isleweaver didn't exist yet

[near vortex]

Apparently jat Kittag has a base 100% status chance on slam lmao

[glass rampart]

I love Circumvent

best arcane of the update

i love getting 10k overguard by rolling into eximus

[fierce lark]

100% base status chance with a pretty sizeable innate blast number

[glass rampart]

circumvent + careen

[fierce lark]

and saryn is easily the best slam frame in the game

[sullen python]

which Latron Wraith (with incarnon) is better?

[fierce lark]

a third one that has viral and no hunter munitions

[glass rampart]

hunter munitions is dead

slash sucks now

[sullen python]

fr??

[fierce lark]

even on the latron HM was always worthless

you have full armor strip on the 4th evo

(you don't run that anymore because armor isn't that scary)

[glass rampart]

why use slash dots when you can do viral magnetic/heat and just kill them instantly

[glass rampart]

you dont run it anymore because circumvent exists :3

[fierce lark]

take this build, run primed cryo over 60 cold, run a heat mod over hunter munitions, and run cannonade over aptitude

[glass rampart]

oh yeah galv aptitude doesnt work on incarnon

[fierce lark]

or run serration if you have external fire rate buffs

[undone dust]

it does on direct
just not aoe

[fierce lark]

aptitude is multi on the first hit but it doesn't apply to any of the ricochets

so yeah it's unfortunately bad

[glass rampart]

but youre not gonna build for direct on latron incarnon

[undone dust]

truth!

[fierce lark]

if you theoretically wanted a dps boost vs acolytes or a boss

aptitude is probably very strong

[undone dust]

funnily enough double tap is actually the opposite

[mossy juniper]

would spinerx be good with sayrn?

[fierce lark]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

kinda?

thematically it's great, toxic lady swing toxic whip

the spinnerex by itself is alright

[late hemlock]

saryn does give everything enough damage to be good tbf

[glass rampart]

any weapon is great with saryn

[undone dust]

it's definitely fun

[fierce lark]

and it will be triply alright on saryn

[fierce lark]

basically this, saryn is extremely broken and turns every weapon into endgame clearer

[mossy juniper]

ok and what about a secondary? (not nukor)

[fierce lark]

what are you looking for out of your secondary

[mossy juniper]

i was looking at my dual coda torx

[fierce lark]

torx is like

a top 10 secondary imo

after dtox nukor laetum & lex, torxica is up there somewhere

[late hemlock]

i mean saryn gives out so much damage that you can just take ocucor for the aoe and comfort because it will kill everything anyways

but if thats too boring i get you

[glass rampart]

but nothing will stop me from using akarius prime

[sullen python]

is this better?

[glass rampart]

id say so

[fierce lark]

your polarities are very unfortunate

you want 90 heat mod rather than 60

[late hemlock]

been wanting to forma it but i never got around it

[fierce lark]

other than that looks good

[late hemlock]

its sitting in my inv with a catalyst installed

[sullen python]

why 90 heat?

[glass rampart]

akarius prime is kinda really good it just has ammo issues

[sullen python]

then ill only have 22.4% sc

[glass rampart]

but like if you run steel path thats basically like a non issue because of enemy density

[fierce lark]

mostly to move up the heat weighting, and for more raw damage

latron doesn't have high base status chance and doesn't really focus on status dps

the base is what, 10%?

[sullen python]

ohh

[fierce lark]

14% or smth

[glass rampart]

i personally run akarius prime with cascadia flare, sometimes enervate

but like it doesnt have the fire rate to justify enervate imo

[fierce lark]

if polarities are an issue, you can swap exilus with one of the V polarities, and run either a rank 0 supplies, or run terminal velocity instead

shoutouts also to vile precision

[late hemlock]

i just noticed how much dot the toxic does on sobek , this was a single shot lol

[fierce lark]

90% recoil reduction for free because you're running jared cannonade

[late hemlock]

saryn is so stupid

[fierce lark]

:(

[sullen python]

what about braton prime? this is my main primary but now i wonder if its outdated

[fierce lark]

if it has HM and isn't called kuva bramma, it's probably outdated

[sullen python]

why is slash/HM outdated now?

[fierce lark]

because slash is genuinely a bad status

or a weak status, rather

it has bad scaling compared to elemental statuses, and its only special perk is that it ignores armor

the reason it was necessary before was because armor was oppressive as shit

[sullen python]

ohhh

[fierce lark]

enemies could have up to 27k armor and you basically did 0 damage to them unless you stripped all of it, so every build against anything with grineer or corrupted had to be viral slash unless you were playing something with full strip

after jade shadows, armor is hard capped at 2700, and enemy damage reduction from armor scales linearly, they gain 10% DR every 300 armor up to 90% total

[glass rampart]

Armor changes decreases armor but increases health. Slash status only ignores armor and chews health. Now that there's more health it needs to chew through way more health

[fierce lark]

a single heat proc on an armor capped enemy is multiplying your damage by like 5x once it finishes applying the strip, and dealing half damage isn't nearly as bad as dealing like 99.9% less than you did before

also yeah, jade shadows also increased the health on everything to compensate for the lower armor, making slash even weaker than before relative to other statuses

[late hemlock]

been really weird as a returning player to find out slash is trash and hunter munition is going to the trash bin lol, had to remove it from almost every single crit weapon

[sullen python]

i suddenly feel old

[glass rampart]

Slash has always been trash it's just that armor was too oppressive and necessitated it

Slash ain't do shit against corpus shield

[late hemlock]

saying slash has always been trash is pretty disingenuous if you say right after that armor made it a must

especially when you couldnt armor strip so easily like you can today

[fierce lark]

slash was always a weak status numerically

[glass rampart]

Its underwhelming

[fierce lark]

but it was the only status that ignored armor

[late hemlock]

sure but the entire point was the gimmick

it had weak numbers but compensated with a stupid strong gimmick

[glass rampart]

TBF against armour I mostly use corro heat

[late hemlock]

corro did not provide full armor strip like it does today because archon shards did not exist

[sullen python]

so do i go for one of the heat or ms instead of HM?

on braton prime

[glass rampart]

Corro does not provide full armor strip unless you have green shards

Corro was still good back then

[late hemlock]

it was good but you used it on top of hunter munitions

[fierce lark]

even if you stacked 10 corro and heat on something with corrosive projection, im pretty sure enemies would still have enough armor to make your life difficult

[glass rampart]

Nope

[late hemlock]

not instead

[late hemlock]

yes, high level enemies had way too much armor even with both of those

[glass rampart]

You don't use hunter munitions with corro though

You use it with viral to get the extra viral damage

Extra damage boost viral gives

[late hemlock]

you would preferably have used it with viral but hunter munitions was just a 100% slot in on every crit based weapon

not using munitions on a crit weapon was just shooting yourself in the foot

[glass rampart]

I mean it was used on every weapon that had even decent crit

I can still find so many weapons in my arsenal I haven't updated

[late hemlock]

that is exactly what im saying

[glass rampart]

My Tenora still has hunter munitions

[late hemlock]

the mod was so baked into the meta that i was shocked coming back into the game

[glass rampart]

And now blast is a good status what

[fathom sky]

...Yes, actually. Armor was stupid back then and enemies in the couple hundreds of levels would barely drop in armor DR even with 10 stacks of Corro. It was insane.

[glass rampart]

Tes but you wouldn't use hunter munitions wit corrosive

[fathom sky]

Naturally

[fierce lark]

iirc corro had a very large damage bonus against all armored grineer

[late hemlock]

in my experience i ran it with corrosive vs lower levels and with viral vs higher levels

[glass rampart]

Slash already ignores armor usng corrosive just makes it useless

[sullen python]

i think it was funny how a million non slash hits would do nothing but then theyd die to like 2 slash procs

[late hemlock]

when you still deal upfront damage corro is better and when you have to fully rely on the dot you switched to viral

[fierce lark]

so if you had almost full strip corrosive would probably edge out hm

[late hemlock]

either way current state of the game is way better

[glass rampart]

Honestly I'm really happy ab the armor and element changes because goddamn I was so tired of killing enemies via dot

I actually run SP way more now

[sullen python]

whats dot?

[fierce lark]

there are pros and cons, the old damage type system was more interesting if you already understood the game

[glass rampart]

Damage over time

[sullen python]

ohhhh

[fierce lark]

but armor definitely ruined build variety

[sullen python]

i feel like i regressed back to baby tenno

[late hemlock]

eh i feel like all the different health types just made the game obscure for no reason

[glass rampart]

Did you just return to the game?

[late hemlock]

but now the game got different issues

[fierce lark]

current armor with old health might be interesting

[late hemlock]

i hate overguard as a mechanic

[sullen python]

returned when the old peace came out

[glass rampart]

Yeah I mean alloy armour and ferrite armour just... Why?

Fair. A lot has changed

[glass rampart]

I like overguard but goddamn too many sources

[sullen python]

i hope i havent given my clanmates outdated build help now 😭

[glass rampart]

Ancients should nooot give overguard

[fierce lark]

the only thing i dont like about overguard is toxin eximus charger sprinting into me before i can kill it

[late hemlock]

getting sniped by toxin is the one thing i sure wish was actually changed lmao

[glass rampart]

Leech eximus necramechs

[late hemlock]

that crap needs oneshot protection

[fierce lark]

leech necramechs are only a problem in multiplayer

where i cant kill them because other people aren't paying attention lmao

[sullen python]

arcane blessing is peak

[late hemlock]

id run the toxin resistance arcane if it actually negated toxin damage, would give it a real use

[glass rampart]

Arcane Persistence is great

[fathom sky]

The health types were far less annoying than the issues armor presenting. If they put it back it would would be okay now but given how awkward that would be to communicate, I'm not sad at its simplification.

[late hemlock]

i like that you can just hover over an element type now and it shows matchups vs a faction, way better than earlier

[late hemlock]

i mean yes but thats...... operator

[glass rampart]

The health types were a little confusing but everyone runs viral heat anyway so

[late hemlock]

so just like today!

[glass rampart]

Like it doesn't matter what health type it is we just run viral heat and be done with it

[fierce lark]

everyone runs viral heat or viral elec because it's good enough for everything, but it's definitely not always optimal

[glass rampart]

And I rather not swap out my builds for different factions

I already hate using faction mods

[fierce lark]

so many new strong weapons, and the strength of weapon buffs have pushed cookie cutter builds front & center

[late hemlock]

i cant even be bothered to use bane mods of course im not gonna swap my elemental combos

[fierce lark]

viral heat is dogshit for corpus, but corpus are so weak who cares

[glass rampart]

That's why we run viral magnetic

[fierce lark]

viral mag is ass, you can't get more than 60% magnetic unless you're getting the viral from nourish or using a lich weapon lol

most high level corpus are like 80:20 shield hp so you run pure tox and 1tap everything

[glass rampart]

Viral mag simply for overguard counter

[late hemlock]

man at least magnetic is a good element now

[fierce lark]

the blast glowup went ballistic

went from an actively negative element to the goto element if you just want aoe

[glass rampart]

Yeah but blast builds are far less common than the influencers say it is

[fierce lark]

blast builds are less common because everyone builds the aforementioned cookie cutter viral heat or viral elec

also the most popular primary in the game most commonly uses blast

so there's that

[late hemlock]

you generally get good aoe by just existing with any somewhat good build so you dont bother to swap your element to blast

[marble hollow]

I recently broke out of that mold and started building for blast. It really helps single target, high damage weapons.

Elementalist mods are a HUGE boost to its damage too. Underrated mods.

[sullen python]

which one for braton prime incarnon?

[fierce lark]

the funny thing about blast, it's not even bad single target

if you have rapid status application, 300% base damage every few seconds is a lot

it just gets murdered by status capped things

[glass rampart]

How tf do you build for blast

[marble hollow]

Oh, I'm not saying its bad for single target. I meant it helps single target weapons do aoe and have a good KPM where its needed

[fierce lark]

you put heat and cold on your weapon

hope this helps

[glass rampart]

Har d' har har

[marble hollow]

To be more specific....

[fierce lark]

literally just swap the toxin mod with elementalist, and you give any weapon that has high damage pretty sizeable aoe

[marble hollow]

Blast favors high fire rate because of its Detonation proc. The faster you shoot, the more explosions

As well as elemental damage

[fierce lark]

blast doesn't care about elemental damage

[late hemlock]

its a shame gas didnt get the glowup that blast did, running gas lanka with mag was one of my favorite combos

[fierce lark]

the single target portion of blast likes high fire rate, but blast is at its best when it's on very high damage weapons that have good status

ie daikyu

[glass rampart]

So what does the average blast build look like?

[fierce lark]

.

[marble hollow]

I think im thinking about gas

[glass rampart]

Cold, Heat, Chamber, Aptitude, Elementalist, crit chance, crit damage then?

[fierce lark]

gas also doesn't care about elemental damage lol

[marble hollow]

Yes it does

[glass rampart]

Maybe an extra element like elec or toxin?

[fierce lark]

unless that element is specifically "gas"

[fierce lark]

it doesn't, the only element gas looks for in calculations is "gas"

it doesn't take anything from heat or toxin mods

the only elemental gas mod in the game afaik currently is vesper's leaded gas augment

and then cyte/lavos have gas infusions

[brittle sleet]

The only element any damage proc looks for is their own last I knew

[glass rampart]

If blast is good on high fire rate single target then theoretically I could go blast on trumna prime or burston incarnon

[brittle sleet]

Well slash aside I guess

[marble hollow]

Its formula takes in Status damage wym

[brittle sleet]

Status damage mod is separate from elemental damage mod

[marble hollow]

Its gas damage bonuses × faction damage × status damage

[brittle sleet]

Sure could, blast+corrosive is not an uncommon recommendation

[cold sedge]

Shus account got banned

[fierce lark]

elemental damage and status damage are different things

[brittle sleet]

Right, their point was that gas damage bonuses don't exist for the most part

[sullen python]

??

[brittle sleet]

Outside of the aforementioned Vesper aug and Warframe abilities

[marble hollow]

I never said elemental damage

Oh wait

I was, my bad. This whole time I meant status damage

[fierce lark]

lmao

all g

[brittle sleet]

Relatable

[marble hollow]

Sorry about that

[fierce lark]

if those are the only choices, hellfire

[glass rampart]

So what youre saying is that all aoe builds both gas and blast needs elementalist mandatory

[marble hollow]

I was referring to the ELEMENTALIST mods, and calling their status damage increases elemental damage.

[deep grotto]

The 6060 for better weighting
Braton doesn’t really have ammo issues

[marble hollow]

Not mandatory if you have like- Roar or something, but it bumps their damage definitely

[glass rampart]

Well outside of Warframe buffs

[fierce lark]

90 is more weighting than 60 🤔

[marble hollow]

Then yeah, I'd say so if you're going for a DOT

[glass rampart]

I mean I'm using a blast build

[brittle sleet]

For scaling purposes yes adding the extra multiplier is strongly encouraged, for any status DPS build

[glass rampart]

Say I'm using revenant without weapon buffs

[marble hollow]

Good thing about the elementalist mods is that they give another bonus besides the status damage

So you have something else to look forward to

[brittle sleet]

The problem is figuring out which buffs to prioritize over others when you have to

[fierce lark]

corroblast is usually hard to slot

[marble hollow]

Then yeah, if you can fit the mod on. Almost doubling your DOT's damage is kinda nutty

[glass rampart]

What extra element to use tho

Options are toxin, elec, mag

[fierce lark]

assuming you have fire rate sorted, elec

[marble hollow]

I dont usually double element cause modding is already tight enough

[marble hollow]

Ht yeah, if you had to pick one, I'd say elec

[glass rampart]

Primary blight blast build sounds nutty tho

[marble hollow]

Cause you're also benefiting from Element mod with it too

[marble hollow]

I use blast for my Felarx

Doing like 1.4-2.1MILL blast procs on average

Dont mind Point Blank, its just a cope issue

[fierce lark]

it's the next best thing after cleanse

[marble hollow]

I usually forego em, but yeah. It just feels right here

I dont use faction mods really

[fierce lark]

i probably would've chosen magnetic over barrage for ammo economy purposes

but i also run reinforced bond everywhere

[marble hollow]

I dont find the ammo an issue since I do actively use its Incarnon mode. 50/50. If I had the room, I'd put mutations in the exil slot

And I'm running Crux anyways so

[glass rampart]

I don't like mag size mods

Esp on felarx

[marble hollow]

Im not using a magazine mod

[fierce lark]

elementalist is the only thing giving mag size, and the status dmg is needed

[marble hollow]

Thats reload speed

[marble hollow]

Yeah, the mag size is just a passive bonus

So it compliments Felarx extremely well cause I hate the 5 shot mag size

[glass rampart]

Bweh I don't like mag size on felarx because you load shots one by one instead of the whole mag

[marble hollow]

And reload speed for the incarnon mode and for the reload on primary sometimes.

[fierce lark]

i just dont like the felarx lol

[marble hollow]

Yeah I hate that but its not really an issue with how fast you're reloading

Its why I dont use the Strun much anymore

[fierce lark]

the strun actually has a good incarnon form lol

[marble hollow]

I had it in my inventory unforma'd since it dropped. Sitting there for years. I only very recently came back to it and I kinda just fell in love with it once I found a proper build

[fierce lark]

felarx incarnon isn't awful but it's not inspiring

i might dislike the gun less if i was more willing to max the mods but like...

im not at a point where i want to spend 40k endo on a reload speed mod for 1 shotgun

[marble hollow]

Yeah its way more high investment than most weapons.

I dont like Strun incarnon form cause like- its hard to hit headshots and the damage isn't what I'd like it to be

[near vortex]

Evolved autoloader my beloved

[fierce lark]

who cares about headshots lol it's a grenade launcher

[marble hollow]

It just lack oomph for me.

[fierce lark]

i tried it, i would toss a glaive between mags

i was almost tempted to buy vigorous swap lol

it's just annoying having to think about swapping

felarx for thee, not for me

[near vortex]

It's very handy as a "pull it out and nuke one problem" rather than a main weapon

[marble hollow]

I also never understood felarx incarnon hate. Its doing stupid damage whenever I use it, even to level cap thraxx units

Its fire rate is just slow, is all.

[fierce lark]

i dont hate it but it feels weaker compared to the incarnoff

[marble hollow]

To me, they feel equal. Which I think is why I like it most.

My biggest gripe with incarnons is that they're marketed as a sort of "alt mode" to a weapon, but you're just using incarnON mode whenever you can

My favorite incarnons are ones where you can swap between using main mode and alt mode equally

[fierce lark]

well that was kinda the point of the incarnon genesis system, make shit weapons not shit

[glass rampart]

I don't use the incarnon much tho, the Strun is the crit version of the felarx

I use the Strun more

[marble hollow]

Adapter weapons are fine cause yeah, they're making garbage weapons good.

[late hemlock]

thats half of it, the adapters can also make the base version good without having to rely on the actual incarnon form

[fierce lark]

which i guess doesn't really tie into the zariman incarnons because they come packaged, and they came first

[late hemlock]

the issue is that some incarnon forms just super heavily overshadow the base weapons like torid lmao

[fierce lark]

and tbf all of the zariman incarnon guns are still strong without the incarnon

[marble hollow]

But main incarnon guns also had that issue. You're never really gonna use Laetum or Phenmore primary fire, and I just think thats a waste

[near vortex]

some incarnoff modes are better than their Incarnons

[marble hollow]

Felarx is the only one where I feel like you can use primary fire or incarnon both

[fierce lark]

name one other than the felarx

[near vortex]

Onos actually has a better incarnoff fire, despite how badass the Incarnon feels

[glass rampart]

Strun with the riven...?

[fierce lark]

oh yeah actually that's true

again though, another weapon with the incarnon built-in

rather than one they chose to add an adapter for

[marble hollow]

They're strong stat wise, but they dont feel all that good to use. Especially when you see that big white meter on the bottom fill up.

[near vortex]

Atomos maybe but I've never used it

[marble hollow]

Yeah strun is really good in both modes

[fierce lark]

strun incarnoff is far better single target, it's like one rare exception where the incarnon mode completely shifts the power and functionality rather than just upping it

[glass rampart]

Yknow I never really got a chance to use the Deimos Incarnons. How good is ruvox and Onos

[marble hollow]

Its even rarer cause its an adapter weapon. Those dont usually tend to do that

[fierce lark]

onos is pretty good

ive never heard any mention of the ruvox

[marble hollow]

Dude I forgot Ruvux even existed

[glass rampart]

I want the ruvox because I haven't ever used fist weapons and I need to get that achievement

[proven prairie]

I need advice- I

[fierce lark]

furax wraith incarnon is solid and has a statstick perk

[glass rampart]

The only other decently good ones I have access to are the ones from the old atlas prime relics

[fierce lark]

yes?

[proven prairie]

I'm trying to find a new melee weapon for Uriel, to use. Since I'm going for a kuva sobek on him, but I'm unsure if I should go for this route or something else

[marble hollow]

Does Uriel really have any synergy with melee?

[fierce lark]

no

[marble hollow]

Then nah, just use what you want, I'd say

[proven prairie]

He kinda does? His buff with daemonium affects his weapons platform ability with all weapons

[fierce lark]

other than arcane hotshot giving you melee crit chance i guess

[glass rampart]

Uriel is a gun platform first and foremost. Going melee on him is kinda useless imo

[proven prairie]

I have alot of fun going ability/weapon hybrid on em tbh. I do alot of damage

[glass rampart]

Especially because his runes giving fire damage I think only affects guns?

Cuz it's like Resupply

[fierce lark]

vythelas only affects guns yeah

[marble hollow]

Perfectly fine. But there's no real crazy tech for him and melee so use what you find good

[glass rampart]

Yeah so like going melee on him is just kinda eh? You can just use any melee and it works fine?

[proven prairie]

Thats the hard part, I slotted Vinquibis on him, and I like it, but if I wanna use kuva sobek with scytoid on him, I'll have to find a new melee

[fierce lark]

use whatever you have that feels cool

or grab the praedos from zariman and get all the evolutions

and stick careen on it

[proven prairie]

The issue with Praedos is I dislike the tonfa weapons.

[marble hollow]

Literally have that on every frame i have, I never use melee 😭

[fierce lark]

you dont use it

it's a mobility statstick

it has 2 evolutions that give you movement/parkour bonuses

[proven prairie]

But I use melee. :C

[fierce lark]

and you can put melee careen on it to make your rolls freeze enemies

[marble hollow]

Then, again, use what you want

Maybe a glaive or something

[fierce lark]

then again, use whatever you have that's generally good, uriel doesn't have any specific melee synergy

[proven prairie]

I suppose I'm just asking if a Zaw would feel good. This is my current uriel build on em.

[marble hollow]

I mean I guess. Zaws are pretty powerful

[fierce lark]

macro thymoid was a weird choice for going enervate lol

if the zaw feels good off uriel, it'll feel good on uriel

[winter charm]

Guys, should I use topaz for secondary crit chance on Jade?

[glass rampart]

Or like buy dual keres prime or something

[mighty flare]

for glory? no

[fierce lark]

no, glory wants enervate, not crit bonuses

[winter charm]

I do use enervate

[glass rampart]

Archon Stretch is weird... Why?

[winter charm]

then just ability strength?

[proven prairie]

Panzer vulpaphyla procs it.

[fierce lark]

companion abilities can trigger it

[glass rampart]

Ohhh

[proven prairie]

It was just a QoL thing

[glass rampart]

Fair. I just rely on equilibrium

[proven prairie]

Was a case of- I use stretch already, why not. It's a free passive

[marble hollow]

Yeah, if you have the space then why not

[winter charm]

What archon shard should I use on Jade?

[fierce lark]

archon stretch is definitely overkill on uriel but if you have the capacity then w/e, same range as stretch

[fierce lark]

1-2 cast rest strength prob

[glass rampart]

Primed stretch when

[marble hollow]

Tbh you wont see me running Arch Stretch unless the frame procs elec or I'm using Duriga

[fierce lark]

im waiting for 65% primed stretch so we can finally hit 300% ability range

[proven prairie]

My go to companion unless I'm playing Khora is the Panzer vulp.

[marble hollow]

I mainly use Vulp for the free 60% fire rate

[marble hollow]

Dude I need that so bad

[sullen python]

assembled the kitgun trying to go for a good beam gun that i could mod both status and crit, then realized it was like the nukor and built it similarly

[marble hollow]

I sacrificed a range mod on my Caliban for 300% strength. It hurts but I'd love for a stretch Prime

[fierce lark]

panzer can proc archon stretch without issues, shocking claws is run by default anyways and makes viral quills do elec ability damage

[sullen python]

macro thymoid was the best overall choice, the others increased status chance but destroyed the mag size so much it wouldve tanked the dps

[marble hollow]

Yeah but i dont run attack mods on my Vulp and I use sly posture so it spends time spreading more viral than doing damage

At least I run THAT build on my electric frames

[proven prairie]

Panzer vulpaphyla go burr with duplex bond

[marble hollow]

How are you able to get 60% crit? You running Hunter mods?

[fierce lark]

bite

[proven prairie]

Bite and hunter synergy

[fierce lark]

panzer claws get to above 100% crit with bite alone

[marble hollow]

Does it?

[proven prairie]

Yep

[marble hollow]

I cant run hunter so I wasnt able to get the 60% crit

[fierce lark]

yeah, panzer claws are 107.5% crit with just a max ranked bite

[proven prairie]

I have hunter synergy on because I also run precision conditioning

Panzer vulp is very much self sufficient.

[viscid bane]

What is better as a slam weapon? Sancti or regular Magistrar (if both are Incarnon)

[proven prairie]

I think Sancti cause it has the added free perk

[marble hollow]

Dude I was looking up crit mods for companions days ago and nothing came up

[mighty flare]

magistar better for dmg, sancti only has healing niche for general tanking / persistence

[fierce lark]

this is like a relatively standard panzer claws build for damage and some elemental priming

if your primary has no crit you can swap hunter synergy for magnetic claws

[marble hollow]

This game has been lying to me

[proven prairie]

Yeah my panzer procs crit, viral and electric on the regular

It occasionally procs radiation because it's funny

[fierce lark]

well you were probably looking through companion mods

bite is a claw mod, not a companion mod, it wouldn't be listed under companion mods

[proven prairie]

^

[marble hollow]

Ah yeah, probably why I never saw it in the codex