builds-discussion

[still turtle]

wich weapons are these?

those

[karmic badger]

Phenmor, burston and braton incarnon, kuva sobek, tenet glaxion, coda hema, etc

Some of these are shotguns or beam guns, but still

[gaunt minnow]

I found my favorite frame (Nekros) aside from putting gloom and well of life on him, are there any other abilities i can put on hin that synergizes?

[still turtle]

what would you say an all rounder primary? fit for everything

is*

[old marsh]

People called me delulu when I said Phenmor is a shotgun

[gaunt minnow]

U are

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[violet silo]

I would be inclined to agree with them

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[still turtle]

@karmic badger

[old marsh]

But the way it shoots in primary form feels like it

[karmic badger]

What works for you, tbh alot of weapons work fine for most content

[gaunt minnow]

Stug for level cap

[karmic badger]

Its only when you're trying to go for specific synergies like the sobek's acid shells tech is when you actually have to care what to pair with it

[obtuse locust]

hey gamers, im looking at a yareli bulid and im just wondering why there's no range mods on it, does she not need range?
https://overframe.gg/build/451515/

[violet silo]

latron, burston, boar

[still turtle]

what would go well for a gauss and a rhino?

[old marsh]

Burston

[zealous forge]

All three of those work with both of those frames.

If I had to give a suggestion though, I would recommend Burston. Probably the best Incarnon in the game right now.

[undone dust]

i would personally recommend latron but burston is also really goated

[zealous forge]

Latron is fun. The numbers are kind of crazy.

[undone dust]

both are some of my favorite primaries

[undone dust]

double tap is just too peak

plus if you run the strip evo it's even funnier but it's still really good without it anyway

[zealous forge]

It doesn't stack on Incarnon form, does it?

[karmic badger]

Considering that her riptide is subsumed off, pretty much nothing uses range

Her first are close range bubbles

Merulina doesn't use range

Aquablades are fixed distance

[undone dust]

it's separate instances
base form has its own stacks
incarnon has its own stacks

but they dont overlap

[zealous forge]

What in the world...

[undone dust]

but im pretty sure(?) you do keep the stacks when you switch

it works weirdly iirc but i know it works

[zealous forge]

I think I'm just going to stick to my Cedo... all of you youngins and your fancy incarnins or whatever thems called...

[violet silo]

I should get double tap but it's like 20p rn and I have precisely 0

[undone dust]

oh yeah and another thing
it doesn't apply to the direct hits of the giant aoe disc but it does apply to the aoe portion

[zealous forge]

The humble relic farming:

[violet silo]

I could sell parts I alr have too

I'm saying I'm lazy

[undone dust]

i will give it to you for free ninety nine
when i get home though because im going to pick up a cat rn and ill be gone for a couple hours

[zealous forge]

Based, and real?

[zealous forge]

Give the cat a large smooch on the forehead for me please.

[violet silo]

fineeee, I'll list my nikana prime hilt

[gaunt minnow]

Would persistance be good on nekros? Also what do yall think about putting dark verse on to ash or nekros?

[undone dust]

i will

[zealous forge]

[undone dust]

his 4 does give DR and status immunity with its aug and desecrate does give a good generation of health orbs to consistently stack armor + arcane blessing for extra health
so i could definitely see it working

[violet silo]

arcane persistence? on nekros?

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah

[violet silo]

read arcane persistence for me

[gaunt minnow]

I would probably have to add health conversion 🤔

[undone dust]

it would definitely work though, so i fw the idea

[gaunt minnow]

Imma try it out

What do you think about putting dark verse on ash tho as long as its paired with the harmony ofc

[violet silo]

wait I misread health conversion, damn

[undone dust]

basically if you're over 700 armor, you can only take 500 damage a second
but it can be disabled by things like mag procs, nully bubbles, and silence from violence
but shield of shadows handles any evil status procs that may disable it

[gaunt minnow]

Its ok, happens to the best of us

[undone dust]

this also works really well as i've personally tried it

[gaunt minnow]

Was it clunky in anyway?

[undone dust]

not really tbh
it's just like priming with a weapon then using your melee

[gaunt minnow]

Oh

[undone dust]

the only annoying thing is that it needs LoS

[gaunt minnow]

I also thought about putting dark verse on nekros for descrate. Im unsure if it'll work tho

[gaunt minnow]

Sounds like a pain

[undone dust]

honestly it's not really that bad

[gaunt minnow]

Hm

[undone dust]

this is a slightly worse idea but maybe it would work if you strip with terrify first
but i could definitely see you needing an external viral primer

actually slash bypasses armor anyway doesnt it
so stripping wouldnt do much

[gaunt minnow]

That makes sense, im just thinking of way i can builf nekros uniquely, like maybe putting elemental ward on him 🤔

[undone dust]

smite soul punch nekros is funny but it's really only good in cascade

i could see it being good in circuit with the amount of thrax that spawn though

[gaunt minnow]

Because of the thrax

[undone dust]

truth!

niche build but it's unique and fun

might work outside of circuit and cascade if you just struggle with eximus and want them gone actually

plus being able to pinpoint eximus for shadows is nice

[zealous forge]

It could technically be good in Conjunction Survival, if you fancy playing that.

[undone dust]

this too actually

[gaunt minnow]

Im not too interested in level cap tbh. I just need to be able to do eta or eda, and some endurance missions

[undone dust]

there's not too much you can do with nekros sadly since he's kind of a basic frame

[gaunt minnow]

Very unfortunate indeed

[undone dust]

he's good for what he's made for and that's what i love about him

[coral crest]

His animation sets are just generic idles but arms don't move

[gaunt minnow]

Same here, he's also a very comfy frame for me

[coral crest]

I think there's visual storytelling behind it

[gaunt minnow]

He could be some kind of lich being that came back to life because of the void or somthin

[simple frost]

checking real fast
xoris has forced electricity proc on explosion, right?

[late hemlock]

yes

[simple frost]

nice

[ember arch]

I need some enlightenment here as someone who mostly rely on build guides (then tweak a bit for personal taste). I see companion builds that are listed for priming but they put some "on companion kill.." mods. My mind thinks of it as companion prime and I kill it so does it proc the companion kill mods? Am I not understanding something?

[late hemlock]

if you kill something hit by a companion it does not proc on kill mods, (note that for example synth deconstruct has different wording)

[ember arch]

Thank you. I'll replace em all with other mods

[compact cypress]

hows the protea looking

[late hemlock]

a bunch of the bond mods have secondary effects which might be why they are being used
also companions can just straight up kill depending on which one

[ember arch]

I mainly use companions for priming and their special abilities. Nautilus, shade, wyrm, diriga, etc. Never tried nor used them for companion damage output. I just see a number of priming companion builds that have companion kill mods like duplex bond and contagious bond but thought about the uptime for those mods since I mainly use them for priming

[late hemlock]

duplex can be used just for priming if you can ignore the energy orb portion and just have more companions out there shooting stuff

[coral crest]

Not as much as priming as aggro taking

They're immortal and take enemy attention

[ember arch]

oh dangg you're absolutely right about duplex!

[coral crest]

I feel like the fact it feeds off your enemy means it will be active after an ability rotation

Which essentially means it's trying to cover you after all energy has been dumped

The aggression taking part is definitely the priority here

[chrome plinth]

any suggestions Kuva Sobek build for cyte-09?, which progenitor do I get?

[late hemlock]

didnt play cyte but iirc he wants elec?

either way you can use a vice

[severe bough]

Cold progi

To make mag

[near vortex]

Magnetic or cold are both good

Magnetic is better if you're using it outside of cyte Saryn Oraxia etc, cold is better for those

Or you could just vice it

[late hemlock]

you will want to vice it because it has different use cases either way

[cobalt ore]

what do you guys think is better, quassus or okina

i heard okina is pretty busted when u get the incarnon version

[severe bough]

Okina probably

[cobalt ore]

alright cuz i got both prime sets, but im only looking to craft one of them

[late hemlock]

if you dont have the adapter thats missing out on a lot of power for okina, so might as well go for quassus first

[oblique pebble]

Is Gyre subsume good on Volt or does Volt already have enough CC with his 4?

[quiet laurel]

he already has enough

[chrome plinth]

okok tyyy

[midnight horizon]

If my Burston Riven is already giving me good enough CC (99.5% in tandem with Galv Scope + using Harrow so critting is not a concern), I can give up Critical Delay for another mod.

This is a Viral Burston. So should I use one of the 60/60 mods? Or should I just run Hammer Shot?

[undone dust]

quassus is good for xata setups but okina is more general use

[fierce lark]

bladed rounds

[gaunt sapphire]

chroma arcane persistence with electric element

what helminths do i use?

[compact cypress]

anybody have a good nova build with the 2 augments?

[gaunt sapphire]

what helminths are good for large amounts of shield

besides pillage

[compact cypress]

cant really think of one tbh

[quiet laurel]

persistence elec ward?

are we fr

[gaunt sapphire]

yes with max strength aswell

wait no i meant

expertise sorry

its been a minute since i played last, i forgot arcane names

[severe bough]

Uriel ability condem

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont have those

[severe bough]

Just use pillage fr

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont have it

[severe bough]

Then

[undone dust]

why electric

[gaunt sapphire]

i meanth expertise

[undone dust]

oh i didnt see you corrected yourself

[gaunt sapphire]

cuz electric is shield and then expertise is shield

then you max strength

and shield tank

[undone dust]

pillage is kind of the best shield subsume tbh

[gaunt sapphire]

but i think i might need a helminth aswell

[undone dust]

pillage/condemn

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont have it

[gaunt sapphire]

i could feed my base harrow right now

[undone dust]

this would be the method

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont have his prime and i dont play him often

[severe bough]

Do it

[gaunt sapphire]

ok but then i have to wait until tmrw at 9:47 am

[undone dust]

i would definitely try to get hildryn as soon as you can though
pillage is really nice to have as a subsume option

[gaunt sapphire]

i only have her prime

base is harder to farm cuz i didnt rank up fortuna reslly

[undone dust]

you can just wait for her to come to circuit if you don't want to grind exploiter

[undone dust]

you dont need to rank up fortuna for exploiter

you just need to do fractures for the resource then go to deck 12 to start it
there is a bounty version but you dont need to do that one

PT is the only one that you need fortuna leveled for

[obtuse locust]

Tysm

[gaunt sapphire]

ok

[fierce lark]

is anyone else like

really annoyed that tharros strike throws a spear that restores health instead of shields

on the frame whose whole gimmick is "i like spears and my big shield makes my spears stronger"

[elder wave]

I'm looking for a build for either umbra or wukong prime. To my knowledge, temporal archimedia is the highest level mission, and Id like to survive that. I'm tired of being carried through path, so I wanna do some carrying for a change. Umbra is my main, with lavos' vial rush subbed over 1. I use more melee than anything, so a good stropha build would also be appreciated

[fierce lark]

i suppose my first question would be why did you subsume slash dash for no-slash-slower-dash

[fathom sky]

He's also invuln during Slash Dash.

[elder wave]

The ice slows enemies, sort of not really does the same thing as slash dash, and I just used rush more, so I swapped an ability I didn't use, for one I did. Plus, somehow vial rush doesn't use energy this way, so even when I have no energy, I have an ability

[old marsh]

Melee careen on your melee (not exalted melee), circumvent + rolling guard. Enjoy

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-roll-confuse-gif-11695636

[undone dust]

shivering contagion on either your primary or sentienel weapon primary too for a larger careen range

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[elder wave]

Is careen an arcane? And by on my melee, you mean on the stropha?

[high sable]

yes a melee arcane

[fierce lark]

stop leaking my nekros build

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[fathom sky]

Point stands that you got rid of one of his ways to survive so you'd have to rely more on Radial Blind to stay alive. Can look at something like this here https://overframe.gg/build/390077/

[fierce lark]

other than the obvious exalted weapon, slash dash is his best button. if you wanted free mobility you'd subsume over radial howl (or radial javelin if you aren't using the augment)

also slash dash inherits exalted blade's stats (and arcane) so it's an insane damage button as well

[alpine creek]

Mesa prime build anyone ?

[coral plank]

Should I replace Circumvent with Hot Shot (If and when I get it maxxed)?

[undone dust]

just run nourish on her over haven and keep corro

[fierce lark]

you replace corrosive with viral

[undone dust]

or be a chad and run xatas blast elec

[fierce lark]

mobility subsume is usually preferred, base viral elec aegis gale spam is gross overkill as is

[undone dust]

mobility is for nerds

[woven lynx]

İ use xata whisper

[fierce lark]

if this is uriel then yes

[coral plank]

Yeah it's Uriel

[fierce lark]

assuming you actually care about your gun's damage

[alpine creek]

Need A Mesa build pls

[fierce lark]

if you're brimmaxxing then hotshit kinda irrelevant

[woven lynx]

I want red numbers on this build. I don't see red numbers at all 🙁

My brain see red it likes it

[severe bough]

Maxxers use non ulti balefire xatas tech fr

[fierce lark]

red numbers on uriel requires a gun with high base crit stats

[woven lynx]

I am talking about hildryn bro

[fierce lark]

oh lol

[woven lynx]

and baelfire

[severe bough]

Just play as client

[fierce lark]

hover and hold altfire

[woven lynx]

any tweaking to do here?

[fierce lark]

enervate is bugged and will overstack on projectile aoe weapons to reach crit numbers far higher than intended

that is how hildryn gets funny red numbers

[alpine creek]

Her weapon

[severe bough]

Use primed elc mod when u have

[undone dust]

blast can technically also help with that
which since you're using xatas you should really use together

[fierce lark]

if you want to keep corrosive and have viral you need nourish, if you're doing that then this is fine as is

if you want to keep using xata's then replace elec mod with cold mod and place toxin mod at the very end to make corroblast

[woven lynx]

?

like this?

[undone dust]

peak

[undone dust]

corro blast is also a method but usually blast elec is just fine

[severe bough]

Works even with normal fire

[undone dust]

gale in general is just too good

[severe bough]

Probably even better

[fierce lark]

that last dash polarity sucks

[compact cypress]

hows the nova build? idrk what to put on the aura yet

[fierce lark]

secondary outburst is better if you have a combo statstick (anything with crescendo, ceramic dagger incarnon with riven, vastilok)

[woven lynx]

yeah idk why I put it there

[fierce lark]

you do need it eventually for primed convulsion

[woven lynx]

still broke af

I have 200 plat left I spent 4k plat on all essential mods that I needed

[fierce lark]

4k plat on mods 🤔

[woven lynx]

There is like 2-3 mods left that I need

[severe bough]

Bro bought hole market

[woven lynx]

I mean 2k 2k for other stuffs

yeah I did lol

[fierce lark]

even 2k is a lot lol and primed mods also have a 1m credit buyer's fee attached

[woven lynx]

I farmed a shit ton bro

my longest fissure missions wwas like an hour and 45 min

I gained 500-600 plat by it with primed sets

that I sold

[late hemlock]

you should not care about status effects, just run pure damage with primed elemental mods

[fierce lark]

with a base sc of 10% and a base damage of "what are we doing here" most enemies won't see a status effect anyways

for whatever reason im pretty sure balefire is the only exalted weapon that has multiplicative scaling between str and base dmg 🤔

[vocal vector]

can someone drop me an onos build pretty please?

[restive flax]

quick Q, which of these is better

[glass jewel]

I'm naming my Verminsplicer kitgun and need opinions on;

ReachAround
Appendage Auditor
HR Visit
Invasive Grip
Gross Grip
Invasive "In"
External Fixture
The Grab
Holding it Fast
Load Transfer
Grip and Tear

Which one should I name it?

[nocturne heron]

should i get styanax to subsume his ability over kullervo 4th and get styanax augment for it for more crit dammage?
I wanna be able to take kullervo to lvl cap with okina incarnon or nami solo or whatever i feel like using

[gaunt sapphire]

nidus only has 2 good augments right?

[fierce lark]

right if you're using cannonade, left if you aren't

[barren axle]

How does my Dagath build look?

[fierce lark]

if you want more damage on kullervo just subsume roar, you'll do more damage faster not having to press 4 for every new group of enemies that shows up, and without wasting a mod slot on an augment

not like kullervo needs help killing things at levelcap to begin with

[barren axle]

Oh, and can someone drop an AX-52 build for Steel Path?

[nocturne heron]

i thought that level cap enemies are so tanky that he still does..... never been there.... i also already go past 4x red crits minimum i think, should i still get more ability str?

[leaden hemlock]

Does anyone have Khora loot build i could use

[fierce lark]

levelcap enemies have a lot of hp, but you underestimate the disgusting amount of overkill that happens in base level content

i took an unfinished innodem to a conjunction survival and tennokai heavies were hitting upwards of 300m sometimes

[nocturne heron]

is just electricity on okina enough? i got viral through panzer and the arcane on kullervo

[nocturne heron]

oh wth?? so the big numbers just dont show in low lvl content?

[fierce lark]

well this is a mostly finished build

5 tau violet shards, diriga priming everything with 7+ statuses, etc

also why tharros lethality isn't that good, it's additive to your existing crit dmg

[nocturne heron]

oh

[barren axle]

Me: Inquires about builds in the discussion about builds. Everyone else: Ignores me. 🗿

[gaunt sapphire]

what nidus augments are good

[fierce lark]

where on kullervo you're running 375% crit dmg from shards and another 120% from galv steel lol, possibly also the flat 1.2x from companion

[nocturne heron]

5 tau violets is insane, i still need the helminth augment to combine, sadly the daily standing limit

[gaunt sapphire]

im in steel meridian and i dont wanna spend any unnecessary standing on a bad nidus augment

[nocturne heron]

flat 1.2x from companion?

[gaunt sapphire]

so which nidus augments do i get

[gaunt sapphire]

isnt abundant mutation just rubble heap?

[fierce lark]

triumbral on dagath is doing very little of anything

[barren axle]

I will invest heavily in this.

Edit: Wrong @

[fierce lark]

dagath wants as much duration as humanly possible to maximize time spent in 3

[gaunt sapphire]

do people even play nidus

is he even good

[barren axle]

I will invest heavily in this. Thank you.

[fierce lark]

forewarning, the augment is very expensive and the gun is pretty mediocre without it

[fierce lark]

prisma/burst laser prime both get there with just creeping bullseye

[nocturne heron]

might have to check if i got it

[barren axle]

You weren't kidding about the augment. Biotic Rounds are 150 plat. 😬

[fierce lark]

it was 250-300 for awhile, wonder why it dropped so much, or why it went up so much to begin with

i bought it for 65 last year lol

[undone dust]

abundant is kind of bait but with persistence you wouldnt really be dying anyway
pairing it with parasitic vitality is just hilarious
ravenous is fine, just helps stack gain
teeming virulence definitely exists i guess, fine for primary buffing
larva burst also exists i guess, nice for being able to recast larva

[fierce lark]

ended up being my most used primary so i have no complaints

[undone dust]

id definitely get abundant and parasitic at least though

[barren axle]

Yeah, I love the AX-52 so I'll do everything I can to make it stronger.

If I can get up to Rank 4 of Arcane Energize then ik I'll be able to get it.

[fierce lark]

fills the gun nerd void i get with all the scifi shit

please tell me you're not farming tridos for arcane energize lol

[undone dust]

the true method

[barren axle]

No, I'll wait until I get enough platinum then I go around buying R2 Arcanes.

[fierce lark]

apart from the arcane itself being (mostly) dead, it's so worthless nowadays that im psure corrupted vault farm is better pph

several clan operations a year

[undone dust]

be a chud and farm cascade for plat

[fierce lark]

giving away eido arcanes for 2-5 minutes of effort each lul

i dont actually know if you make more plat selling the arcanes or vosforing the cheaper ones for packs

but im dissolving everything under like 30p max rank until i finish longbow

[undone dust]

usually vosforing tbh

[fierce lark]

vosfonator isn't maintained anymore so it doesn't have values for hollvania packs

[undone dust]

farm deepmine for shotgun vendetta because a max is still almost 200 for some reason

actually was it deepmine where it could also drop now
i cant remember

[fierce lark]

yeah i sold one of those a few days ago and was mindblown why people are paying so much for this garbage

[undone dust]

yeah with overcharge existing now i dont see why it needs to exist

[fierce lark]

garbage is a strong word but like it's a sidegrade to merciless

[undone dust]

it's funny but thats about it

[fierce lark]

blight is less than half the price and that's actually bis on a number of meta setups

or any primary being wielded by saryn/oraxia lol

[undone dust]

i think the last time i saw it recommended was plague star LMAO

[undone dust]

im so glad blight is easy to grind now

[fierce lark]

yeah overcharge didn't exist and you needed as much multishot as possible

but like pyrana was better anyways shrug

[undone dust]

truth
boar required too much investment to be good

[fierce lark]

i used kuva kohm & rhino stomp, relatively painless process

[undone dust]

stomp just basically freezing the boss was probably the funniest thing and prevented me dying from boredom

[fierce lark]

i still bring rhino to lephantis sorties lol

[gleaming oasis]

I forgot how fun Zephyr was before yesterday. Spent so much time on mesa and steel path builds for other weapons. Decided to get a more generalized consensus on how my current zephyr build can be improved on

it is a spectorage build for extra energy

seeming to have a bit of a survivability issue since the frames main goal is ability duration and range rather than ability damage

[undone dust]

you could also just like
run equilibrium and then synth decon on your companion

[undone dust]

you shouldn't really be having issues if you have turbulence up

[gleaming oasis]

its the aoe blasts and status that take high damage to. That may just be a skill issue tho

[undone dust]

statuses do suck to deal with but at least you do already have rolling guard in so that alleviates some of it

[gleaming oasis]

that was the idea

[undone dust]

wyrm with negate should help to alleviate more of it if you have those two

[gleaming oasis]

I dont have wyrm unfortunatly

[undone dust]

could always just farm prime parts and sell them to get wyrm

[gleaming oasis]

anything buildwise tho? the archons are just for the increased from their base versions

[foggy jolt]

Thinking of changing my primary sentinel from Helios to Carrier for the auto looting

[undone dust]

tbh overextended and stretch is enough range and cont is enough duration
so you can swap message and reach for more strength (and switch subsumes) or passive gating via vig vigor and fast deflect

id recommend swapping the subsume slot to tailwind over airburst though so you can get enemies in your nado easier

[gleaming oasis]

as for some archon choices should I invest into some more health/shield, abil dur or something else

[undone dust]

shard wise? id say duration tbh
1-2 casts and the rest duration

you can go strength instead of dur if you go for a damage subsume (i.e xatas if you do sobek stuff or sampotes/tenet exec slam stuff)

[frigid crater]

Seccondary enervate on regulators is a good or bad idea?

[gleaming oasis]

very good idea

[frigid crater]

But with hot shot it becomes a not so good idea, right?

[undone dust]

correct

[late hemlock]

you will be better off swapping to secondary fortifier if you want a crapton of overguard or cascadia flare for damage, not worth running enervate

personally im running fortifier she does enough damage as is

[undone dust]

shatter shield interacts funny with fortifer so there's even more of a reason to use that

[frigid crater]

Hmmmmm... But then i need to play that terrible jade mode...

[fierce lark]

bad idea, 25% base cc is more than enough to make crit modding viable and there are way better options

[frigid crater]

Cascadia flare with regulators using a [x element] heat lineup?

[fierce lark]

flare is what i use primarily because i dont own fortifier

[undone dust]

these nerds not owning fortifier..

[fierce lark]

but flare is additive with strength & galv shot so it's not amazing

[frigid crater]

Mine is R4 so eh

[late hemlock]

its really not that many runs, you get like 30 ish things per run and you need 210 for rank 5

[fierce lark]

outburst is bis if you can be bothered to stack IC or play the gunblade minigame every 30s

[frigid crater]

But honestly more survivability sounds R E A L L Y juicy

[late hemlock]

its also cc immunity because its overguard

i dont see myself taking fortifier off mesa

[frigid crater]

A shame i had to change some mods on my panzer to fit a bond mod

[undone dust]

shatter shield's damage redirection will also build up overguard from fortifier (it's like cold ward essentially)

[frigid crater]

What about infested?

[fierce lark]

i still dont understand the cold ward synergy on mesa why are people doing this

[frigid crater]

Mesa kinda gets hard countered by infested, right?

[fierce lark]

no lol

[undone dust]

who runs cold ward on mesa

[late hemlock]

infested still have overguard enemies

so where is the issue

[frigid crater]

the S man probably

[fierce lark]

i swear to god ive seen this mentioned by multiple people

[undone dust]

shatter shield already does what cold ward does in terms of fortifier tech

[fierce lark]

like, in this channel

[undone dust]

that's insanely odd

[fierce lark]

and i dont get it

someone even explained it and i still didn't get it lol

[undone dust]

neither do i
health tank mesa kind of sucks and thats all cold ward does minus the fortifier shit

[frigid crater]

Her 1 is kinda bad

So i put nourish in it

[late hemlock]

1 is gimmicky but you can make it pop off with certain builds

[frigid crater]

Good idea or another subsume is good?

[frigid crater]

Yeah i dont like the cedo prime so its not really something i wanna build around

[undone dust]

thats usually what people run

[fierce lark]

1 is the subsume slot unless you're doing a funny dmg cap battery build

[late hemlock]

nourish is fine, lets you build for heat with regulators while still giving you viral procs and mesa is super energy hungry anyways

[undone dust]

corro heat on regulators with nourish is goated

[frigid crater]

I just think that im doing a liiiiittle bit of " why " because my main cat is a panzer vulpaphyla

[fierce lark]

roar with viral heat regs is probably marginally better against unarmored enemies, but those die in half a second anyways and mesa actually dies instantly without energy

[frigid crater]

So im basically putting viral + viral in the same build

[undone dust]

truth nuke:

[late hemlock]

i mean just build another pet lol

[fierce lark]

speaking of truth nukes, here's a controversial one

[undone dust]

ruh roh

[late hemlock]

good excuse to get more companions

[fierce lark]

panzer isn't that good for viral

[frigid crater]

hmm, so ninjase wasnt lying...

[undone dust]

okay not controversial this is just a hard truth nuke

[fierce lark]

panzer is there because it's an immortal buff stick

[frigid crater]

Uhhhhh

n o ? —

Jk, im just very lazy

[fierce lark]

it never dies, and when it does die it doesn't actually die, and while it's alive it's keeping you alive

[frigid crater]

Oh wait...
Diriga is the true viral king isnt It?

[undone dust]

it's nice for passive viral but relying on it solely for viral is stupid

[fierce lark]

diriga is the melee CO primer

[frigid crater]

oh my god that thing still keeps haunting me

[undone dust]

tazicor modded for viral and duplex bond is pretty solid for viral priming

[fierce lark]

nautilus/wyrm with tazicor is my pref for gun priming, assault mode actually has range and they get you rbond

[undone dust]

moa method, trust

[frigid crater]

BUT on panzer vulpaphyla defense
It can meet reinforced bond shields threshold

[coral mesa]

Im running mirage with primary bulwark and health conversion. Should i add roar or nourish on her

[fierce lark]

what panzer does do is get you rbond and tbond at the same time

[undone dust]

which you can do with wyrm/naut if you run burst laser/prime laser and just run coolant leak manifold bond for priming

[frigid crater]

It can???

[fierce lark]

you can do that with burst laser or a caked up verglas on nautilus but then you lose your aoe priming

[frigid crater]

Huh, i dont have a CC claws mod
That's why i never knew L o L -

[fierce lark]

do you run both assault and coolant

[undone dust]

no, you drop assault

coolant is just arc coil for other sentinels

[fierce lark]

oh okay yeah

that works too but then your companion range drops from 30m to 10m

and only goes off when multiple targets are within that 10m

[undone dust]

yeah your overall priming definitely suffers, it's significantly better on naut due to cordon than it is wyrm but it's still nice

[fierce lark]

yeah, you really need bite for beast claws

[coral mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/jubilobao-silent-hill-silent-hill-2-sh2-james-sunderland-gif-14799886241629071746

[fierce lark]

it's expensive and annoying as shit to farm but there's a reason for that lol

[frigid crater]

I guess we can all agree that Nautilus prime is still goated

[undone dust]

transmutation my beloved

[late hemlock]

just sold a bite for like 100 the other day good stuff

but yeah the mod is crazy strong

[fierce lark]

pretty much single handedly enables beast dps, and tbond

or rather

it is a necessary mod for beast dps

because claws have the most insane base crit stats on the planet

[undone dust]

and if somehow your beast doesnt get enough cc for tbond with bite you can always pair it with hunter synergy if your primary has at most decent cc

[frigid crater]

I HATE BITE AGHHHH-

[zealous rapids]

I once spent 4m creds on transmuting rare mods, and I feel like it's easier to just look for caches in cervantes with titania

[frigid crater]

Idk if im bored someday ill farm the mission with titania

[undone dust]

it definitely is but if you have an over abundance of rare mods and creds it's a nice side hustle

[frigid crater]

Ykw

Im gonna go gamble
Brb

[fierce lark]

bite walked so hammer shot could walk

(they cost basically the same at max rank)

[zealous rapids]

I did get some good stance mods with transmuting though

[undone dust]

they walked down the aisle together

[frigid crater]

1rst try-

Just kidding lol

[undone dust]

i got 2 bites back to back once when i was transmuting for an archgun mod i didnt want to grind

[fierce lark]

i sometimes wonder if i should be transmuting

but i still need endo and dissolving is easier

[zealous rapids]

like four riders stance for claws

[undone dust]

it's really only for if you dont want to grind mods tbh

[late hemlock]

sabot rounds moment?

[undone dust]

wrong, venomous clip LMAO

[late hemlock]

isnt that just the toxin mod even i have that

[undone dust]

i was sick that day and didnt want to do much so i just laid in bed and transmuted a bunch

[late hemlock]

and i do not play archwing stuff lol

[undone dust]

yeah for some reason it would never drop for me

[barren orbit]

What do you guys think of temple

[zealous rapids]

imo it's only good for stance mods that you just don't feel like farming

[fierce lark]

im in purgatory going back and forht from necralisk waiting for the bladed rounds rotation lol

[undone dust]

we have a primed one now anyway

[late hemlock]

yeah i think i didnt buy that last time

[fierce lark]

i go straight to wfm for those, stance mods are always dirt cheap

[late hemlock]

oops

[fierce lark]

assuming i don't have one already because unique stance mods seem to be a rarity

or uniquely rare ones that actually matter

[undone dust]

gunblade stances

[deep grotto]

Very cool

[undone dust]

definitely a frame

[deep grotto]

Defiled Snapdragon:

[fierce lark]

okay i think we were talking about double tap the other day

and i didn't actually own the mod at the time

im going to say this rn

not owning/running this mod is insanely troll, and acuity latron is also troll

double tap fully stacks in like 2 shots lol

2-3 shots

[zealous rapids]

I actually have a lot of this one

[undone dust]

i've never seen acuity latron

[zealous rapids]

I did try that for latron wraith, but didn't like it

[undone dust]

acuity for aoe just sounds stupid

[fierce lark]

it's good for the few cases of hitscan aoe

because hitscan aoe doesn't apply multishot anyways

[zealous rapids]

it's just the 1st perk multishot is really big damage increase for crit-based builds

[undone dust]

it's just a big damage increase in general

[deep grotto]

What heck

[undone dust]

i think i also have alot of defiled

[deep grotto]

I got it a couple weeks ago after i killed a random grineer scorpion in a nightmare mission

[zealous rapids]

you can just see how common it is by market price

[fierce lark]

it's always hilarious when i go through my inventory to see what's worth selling, and see the sheer amount of stance mods worth 5p+, some of them coming close to 10 or more even

[zealous rapids]

vermillion storm cost 20p, snapdragon cost 2p

[deep grotto]

Insane

The drop rates are small asf though

It shares chances and loot tables with goddamn Condition Overload

[zealous rapids]

mobs they drop from are very common

[fierce lark]

i consistently have a shitload of these from farming aya, and depending on the time they're 5-9p lol

[zealous rapids]

and condition overload is pretty cheap too

if you can just go and have the mobs spawn a lot, it's easy to farm them

[deep grotto]

Maybe my luck is just abysmal 😭

[zealous rapids]

or you just didn't play much iso vaults

[deep grotto]

I was doing Steel Path deimos bounties

Just killing every enemy that dropped it

[zealous rapids]

I have never done sp bounties in open worlds

[deep grotto]

It was during Naberus at least

[zealous rapids]

it feels like a total waste of time since the reward increase is so miniscule

[kindred pumice]

anyone got some build to pair dirigida with arcane hot shot?

[idle swan]

I might need to buy a lottery ticket

[deep grotto]

Ngl i didn’t even end up grinding for CO cause, whenever I tried, people just kept giving it to me

[red moat]

Isn't Garuda with quick thinking and molt reconstruct functionally immortal so long as you keep pressing 3?

[undone dust]

you would need to setup a health tank setup to pair with it though

and you would kind of need persistence because you can still get one shot even with quick thinking if the damage is high enough without persistence

[gaunt sapphire]

i need punch through on my sagek prime, does seeker work instead of merciless gunfight?

[versed harbor]

nah energy from quick thinking still acts like hp so it can be one shotted

[undone dust]

yeah it works, the cd from merciless is minimal anyway but it is still kind of nice

[gaunt sapphire]

btw

can you rate my sagek prime build i totally didnt take from a zenosfire video

[undone dust]

zenos has some..
interesting builds

[gaunt sapphire]

he has a short on the sagek prime

[undone dust]

btw anything that isnt viral heat on sagek kind of really sucks

idk what he does on it though

but it's just a basic viral heat slop weapon

[gaunt sapphire]

rad punch through with secondary irradiate

[undone dust]

pure rad? 😭

[gaunt sapphire]

yeah

[undone dust]

yeah thats actually awful

[gaunt sapphire]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zGQPTsEkRXE?si=ym5gAFbtPBAKRc9e

do you have a different build i could use cuz i dont trust overframe

[undone dust]

okay so he's using heavy weapon buffs for it

[undone dust]

yeah i can workshop one quick

[gaunt sapphire]

thank you

[kindred pumice]

nvm, already figured oout, it was just because of my secondary that uses fire status to level up too, it was eating all the hot shot levels

hehe

hot shot and 200% fire rate

funny

i love my gauss and my gauss loves me

[undone dust]

this is the one i used for awhile when i was testing the weapon and it does work great
you can technically swap out primed pistol for hornet strike and run enervate instead of flare if you want higher crits for the passive

[neat harbor]

how do u consistently keep hotshot up? just spam heat sunders?

[kindred pumice]

diriga build

and fire walker

[neat harbor]

diriga can proc hotshot?

[gaunt sapphire]

ah ok, the gun sounds really nice

[kindred pumice]

kinda something yeah

i just use it to mantain it

[undone dust]

it's nice but it's nothing crazy
just basic weapon slop LMAO

[crimson osprey]

So anyone hope to get a neat kubrow skin woth voruna prime?

[kindred pumice]

so i dont have to spam abilities

i just want that new gauss skin

[undone dust]

yeah, arc coil and manifold bond with heat can proc hotshot

[kindred pumice]

and that acceltra

[neat harbor]

i cant give up on xatas so ill have to stay with avenger 🙁

[neat harbor]

damn ill try it out and see how consistent it is

[neat harbor]

same

[undone dust]

it's pretty consistent tbh
a hound with synergized prospectus and manifold bond heat is also a really good way of upkeeping and building hotshot

[neat harbor]

shame its coming in march and not with vauban in feb

[delicate eagle]

hi what is this build?

[kindred pumice]

kind of lost the hot shot mid video

[neat harbor]

yea haha

[crimson osprey]

Hey side questiok; does baruuks desert wind exalted fists count as a channeled ability anf thus seismic bond working with it?

[neat harbor]

theres a list of channeled abilities 1 sec

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Channeled_Abilities

[kindred pumice]

easy

honeslty, uriel its way more consistant, but my love for gauss makes me waste almost 200pl just to make one arcane work

[neat harbor]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Category:Channeled_Abilities this one seems to be the list

[kindred pumice]

i think my keyboard its dying

[neat harbor]

the list isnt showing gauss abilities, do they not count as channeled anymore?

besides mach rush

[undone dust]

i thought mach was the only one that counted

[fierce lark]

(for use with nourish)

the usual flex stuff applies, run deep freeze over convulsion if you have armor strip/aren't fighting grineer & don't have nourish, run merciless gunfight over lethal torrent if you have external FR and want to spend more forma

[neat harbor]

wasnt there a time where all of them counted due to a bug

i might remember it wrong tho idk

[kindred pumice]

i jus use the dirigida build, redline for firerate and faster casting speed for heat thermal sunder

wtf did i say

im burned out

[undone dust]

as i said, basic modding slop
nothing too unique sadly

[fierce lark]

dirigida

dirigigigigigida

the uniqueness is forced 90 mods because 60 mods do nothing smile

[undone dust]

i wish the passive was more like encumber instead of modded status

[fierce lark]

it's actually possible because of how the passive works that creeping bullseye is better than ppg if you have no external cc

[undone dust]

i also wish blast was actually good on it

[kindred pumice]

now gotta farm for resources to feed the helminth so i can unequip the archon shards from uriel to put them in gauss

[crimson osprey]

Ty

[fierce lark]

duplex tazicor spam is very funny

[undone dust]

the method:

[fierce lark]

run fast heat blast

[undone dust]

couldnt have said it better myself tbh

[fierce lark]

there

wait no actually better

that's literally gauss lmao

[pallid quiver]

Average Titania

Titanias with that more common

[fierce lark]

titania doesn't run

[undone dust]

she runs in the air basically

[fierce lark]

mf her legs don't move she is a mosquito

what about yareli

[undone dust]

she gonna suck you

[fierce lark]

skate fast enervate blast

it even rhymes both parts

[undone dust]

you are a poet

[fierce lark]

thank god enervate blast kompressa works or i'd have to actually be funny

[undone dust]

are you the type of individual to run loyal or guardian

[fierce lark]

if i played yareli, it would be guardian

[undone dust]

pure unfettered ass

im glad that both are good and cater to different playstyles

[fierce lark]

if im gonna play yareli i may as well make use of the silly gimmick

[barren orbit]

Does ability strength impact exalted wf weapons in anyway (khoras whip, Lizzie, exalted blade, etc)

[jagged quartz]

For cyte09 yes it gives it much more damage

[barren orbit]

How about temple

[fierce lark]

all exalted weapons (with 1 exception that i know of) gain base damage relative to the frame's ability strength

so if you have 265% ability strength on temple, it would be the same damage increase as modding serration onto lizzie

[barren orbit]

Oh sweet so when modding temple you should aim for high strength? Specifically a Lizzie focused build

[fierce lark]

apparently temple's base multiplier for lizzie is 1.25x so strength is a little stronger than base damage, that's neat

anyways you do want high strength on temple, but moreso for other reasons. the ramp speed on 3, crit vulnerability on 2 and damage buff like nourish/shock (if you subsume something over 1, which you should) all scale with strength

[kindred pumice]

is this a good speed for gauss?

[barren orbit]

Sweet thanks a lot

[fierce lark]

current build for both

[hollow scarab]

does anyone have a good sun and moon build? im trying to make mine able to do high level steel path

[frigid crater]

Ok mesa with fortifier is strong

[nocturne heron]

most overkill subsome to get for kullervo?

[frigid crater]

However
I have some problems...

[fierce lark]

what be those problems

[frigid crater]

MY ARCANES S U C K

WHY DOES ARCANE VELOCITY, A COMMON ARCANE, GOES FOR +100 PL???

[late hemlock]

the rarity doesnt matter as much as where you get it

[frigid crater]

i hate those SSSSSTUPID EIDOLONS THEY DESTROYED EVERYTHING FOR ME

[late hemlock]

everyone hates eidolons, if you didnt do perita rebellion event that sucks

free R5 ARCANE FOR DOING 1 ALERT

oops caps

[frigid crater]

I DIDN'T KNOW I WANTED THIS ARCANE SO BAD

[late hemlock]

all of the eidolon arcanes were on the event, rip

[frigid crater]

Well, my only alternative now is to gamble

[late hemlock]

i mean if you have the new focus artifacts modding the amps makes eidolons a joke

but nothing will make me go do eidolons

[fierce lark]

probably ophanim eyes lol

[nocturne heron]

what it do? where to get?

[fierce lark]

the most "consistent damage to everything" subsume is roar

ophanim eyes is jade

ascension on brutus, uranus

[nocturne heron]

i mean i do have her

[fierce lark]

imagine if pillage was a long buff rather than a 2s channel

ophanim is an aoe aura that strips everything around you

[vocal vector]

does orphanim proc heat?

[fierce lark]

one heat proc per second i believe

[nocturne heron]

that sounds peak

[vocal vector]

thats pretty nice cc as well then

[fierce lark]

i haven't subsumed my jade so i've never used it but it's probably pretty good on kullervo specifically for grineer/corrupted

[vocal vector]

and also strip from the heat as well

[fierce lark]

and corpus actually, strips shields

only bad against infested but who cares about infested

[quiet laurel]

they only receice a proc when they are stripped

its very inconsistent

[fierce lark]

only when fully stripped?

[quiet laurel]

unless you build very high strength

[nocturne heron]

well i thought about building her but she is so hard to fashion frame so i might just subsume

[vocal vector]

ngl cyte is ass to fashion as well

[fierce lark]

well that's a little awkward and weird but then kullervo builds like 300% strength at least so fullstrip takes like 3s

plus if you're kullervo you should be running corrosive projection so you only need to get to 82% strip

cough everyone should always run corrosive projection except summon frames

[nocturne heron]

erm so its kinda useless cuz i kill faster than that :(

ah wait no im dumb even half strip increases dammage

kullervo 4 is basicly useless right?

[fierce lark]

seems that way, ive never tried to use it

[celest thicket]

its pretty crazy that we can halve the effective health of a enemy with max armor with a single aura mod

[nocturne heron]

waiiittt shocking touch is the subsume for volt?!?!?!

[fierce lark]

and yeah, if you have 300% strength you're stripping 30% armor per second

even with corrosive projection on, if an enemy is within range of it for one second, you're doing over 2x the damage you'd be doing without it

yes, you can run shock trooper on any frame if you wish

[quiet laurel]

shocking touch is a mod

[fierce lark]

oh wait lol

[nocturne heron]

SOO I CAN USE VIRAL ON MY OKINA AND STILL GET MELEE INFLUENCE?!

or magnetic plus influence?!

[celest thicket]

or you could use elec in the okina and get viral from nourish

[nocturne heron]

valid too but i really dont wanna farm a new frame for nourish tbh

[fierce lark]

(nourish influence not recommended)

[quiet laurel]

for okina blast influence is really good for trash clearing

[nocturne heron]

oh wait nvm silly me i dont need viral cuz of the shield arcane

[fierce lark]

truculance is absolute dog ass

[nocturne heron]

wait rlly?

[fierce lark]

yeah because in order to generate the overguard to trigger it you have to actually lose overguard

[nocturne heron]

max viral stacks tho and kullervo gets a ton of shield

[fierce lark]

and you don't lose overguard often when everything dies

[nocturne heron]

ah yeah ik but if i run higher content that is super crowded its decent

[quiet laurel]

its not consistent enough tho

[fierce lark]

it also has the caveat of triggering on thresholds, not when you generate x amount of overguard

[nocturne heron]

what is a good arcane for kullervo then

[fierce lark]

like if you constantly bounce back and forth between 27001 and 29999, it will not trigger 1 single time

[quiet laurel]

strength arcanes and melee buffing arcanes

[fierce lark]

i just use strike fury personally

[quiet laurel]

you can also run persistence if you want even less of a chance to die

[nocturne heron]

so the 60% strength of molt augmented is worth it?

[nocturne heron]

thats the one with 700 dammage maximum i can take?

[fierce lark]

strike augmented is also good, persistence triumbral is good (for once) if you're planning to go to levelcap

[quiet laurel]

augmented is a good auto slot on 90% of frames

[quiet laurel]

500 dmg

but yes

matters more for content where one shotting is possible

[nocturne heron]

what does strike augmented do?

[fierce lark]

arcane strike molt augmented

arcane strike is +attack speed on melee hits

[nocturne heron]

oh lol

mhm

there is no super neiche arcane thats for some reason rlly good on kullervo ?

[fierce lark]

lets you drop the attack speed mod on your melee for something, usually organ shatter since kullervo runs 600%+ flat crit

[nocturne heron]

ah that seems decent

[fierce lark]

not really tbh, kullervo doesn't have any odd synergies, and arcanes that would theoretically be uniquely good on him like reaper or truculence don't have the numbers

[nocturne heron]

so basicly truculence would be insanely op if it counts the shield that kullervo would theoretically gain or if kullervo didnt have a shield cap right?

how do i get arcane persistence?

[quiet laurel]

roathe from the cathedral

[fierce lark]

truculence would be insanely busted if it counted excessive generation without a doubt

kullervo easily generates enough og to proc it multiple times per second in groups

but also diriga gives everything within melee range of you viral anyways

not 10 stacks of it mind you

[undone dust]

wdym by excessive

it procs by multiples of 3k

[fierce lark]

yes but if it read “every 3k overguard you generate” and included what you would have generated at cap

[undone dust]

ah thats what you mean, yeah thats fair

it's definitely better for higher levels when you kind of stop hitting your og cap

[dapper steeple]

any high damaging epitaph prime builds?

[nocturne heron]

its better than panzer?

[fierce lark]

for melee priming absolutely

prisma/burst laser prime with manifold bond & arc coil instantly applies 7-8 statuses to anything it hits

on top of being enough crit for tenacious bond

[nocturne heron]

urg how do i get all those

[old marsh]

diriga u can grab bp from market i think. or maybe dojo

[nocturne heron]

no no i got diriga

[fierce lark]

manifold is rank 3 cetus, tenacious is rank 3 fortuna, prisma/burst laser come from the respective Shade variants

[old marsh]

wyrm u can grab from market or prime from players

[nocturne heron]

but all the mods and weapons

[old marsh]

oop. its shade. not wyrm. my b

[fierce lark]

wyrm is laser rifle

[old marsh]

i always confuse both

[fierce lark]

which also works

[late hemlock]

Laser rifle is also fine

[fierce lark]

just since laser rifle is a primary you can't stick an augur mod on it

[old marsh]

either way. get all companions anyways. lots of MR XP

[fierce lark]

so it's slightly less optimal

actually fascinating question

do vigilante mods on your companion count for your own weapons?

[hollow scarab]

tryna improve these (pls dont suggest heavy atk spam)

[nocturne heron]

wdym? come from their respective shade variants?

[fierce lark]

shade prime and prisma shade

[compact burrow]

whats a good begginer build for volt bc I jus got him and dunno what he does

[hollow scarab]

pretty sure DE made that not work anymore cuz ppl used to just load up helios with vigilante mods and use it to break melee

[nocturne heron]

so if i have them i get the weapon

[fierce lark]

you mean gladiator mods right

that would make sense though

[hollow scarab]

yeah

[late hemlock]

Vigilante mods i assume yes? Why would it not if augur works

[hollow scarab]

cuz the meta used to be any good melee build and then just all the gladiator mods you could fit on your helios and it would just be free damage

[fierce lark]

yeah it's also possible they only fixed the interaction with gladiator specifically

if auger mods on the companion secondary work i see no reason why vigilante mods wouldn't

[hollow scarab]

true but i wouldnt be surprised if it applies to vigilante

not against it just wouldnt be surprised

[late hemlock]

Being able to offload an augur effect is better than vigilante anyways imo so I sure hope it works

[frigid crater]

How about

Heavy attack spa-

[wintry thistle]

What's the best progenitor element for endgame content with Tenet Arca Plasmor? I see a lot of people saying mag and toxin, some say electric but i just dont know

[fathom sky]

Elec is if you're using Mag with that weapon

[old marsh]

each element has its own use. it just depends on what u want to use it for. thats why Elemental Vice was added so u could swap

[fathom sky]

Mag, the Warframe rather

[frigid crater]

Mag if you like a free status for gunCO

Toxin for easy corro/viral

Eletric if you wanna do funny Mag [THE WARFRAME] shenanigans

[fathom sky]

Toxin is old for when you did Viral Hunter Munitions on it, can just go Mag

[frigid crater]

Being called old hurts my soul -

[fathom sky]

I played before PoE existed how do you think I feel

[hollow scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-kimetsu-mugen-train-zenitsu-gif-21548681

[mortal roost]

Anybody has a good raksha build?

[late hemlock]

You played before path of exile?

[fathom sky]

harrharr

[quiet laurel]

toxin

you go raw corrosive on it anyway

unless you use it on cyte or smth

[hollow scarab]

nah u wanna know a weird feeling. ive been playing roughly 8 or so years now and i still get mfs who have played half as long as me acting like they seen more shit. brother we have seen metas rise and fall.

[quiet laurel]

I always questioned plasmor mag cause of the low status application

[quiet laurel]

for sun and moon follow crab sweat and idk about ambassador tbh, never used it

that sun and moon riven also isnt really slottable

[hollow scarab]

crab sweat? what? (i probably know what that is but am not sure what the term is)

also yeah im still rolling the riven

oh do you mean spin to win?

[quiet laurel]

its a short term for the usual light attack build that is usable on 95% of melees
condition overload
range
attack speed
blood rush
galvanized steel
weeping wounds
electric
anti faction/flex slot
tennokai

that paired with melee influence

[hollow scarab]

ah i see

just raw electric or electric viral?

[quiet laurel]

raw elec

outsourcing viral is the usual go to

[violet dew]

How are people coming up with the letter rankings on riven mods?

[quiet laurel]

to your compabion or even abilities depending on frame (or nourish though for influence you'd subsume roar)

[hollow scarab]

i got that on my veglas or whatever that beam weapon from the prime sentinal

[quiet laurel]

the grade system?

[violet dew]

Yes

[quiet laurel]

riven stats have a range of % they can roll depending on riven disposition, how many positive stats you have and whether you have a negative stat
and depending on how high the % of the possible range for the stat is it gets a certain grade

[violet dew]

Where can I reference the stat ranges to know the high/low ends?

[quiet laurel]

semlar has a list but its a bit outdated sadly

other than that you can check on certain discord bots

they'll grade the riven for you to see how high the grades are

[violet dew]

What are the names of the discord bots?

Thanks for the help btw

[quiet laurel]

altair is the easiest

[violet dew]

Bet, tyvm

[fierce lark]

this sounds wrong, you're missing an entire primed ele mod to do this

and built "normally" it's 81x3.3 status, how's that low? sure it doesn't shoot super fast but it's hitting an avg of 2 statuses per shot

[quiet laurel]

I just dont see a reason to run mag on a weapon that basically already one shots cause of multi gunCO

might as well go for the raw dmg corrosive and maybe run the mag mod

[fierce lark]

more damage to things that it might not oneshot

thrax/eximus

[quiet laurel]

and in the case of magnetic, you can just outsource it to your companion as well

cause it legit is just viral for OG and shields

the element has no inital benefit to OG or shields

[fierce lark]

tox into pure corrosive implies you get more value out of mod slots than what you're getting from a 165% elemental

i don't see it

[tiny basin]

Does tenet arca plasmor benefit more from a crit based build or status based build?

[fierce lark]

like most guns, both

[tiny basin]

I mean yeah, but which would benefit it more?

[fierce lark]

...both

"status builds" aren't really a thing, most guns use statuses, most guns use crit, and guns that don't have crit stats have ways of cheating it with flat crit buffs

pure status guns that don't use crit are kinda rare

this is what ive been running for as long as i can remember

[deep grotto]

Been looking at Zenosfire’s Telos Boltor incarnon build

But ive been wondering if there’s anywhere it falls short. Cause i noticed it doesn’t have point strike, but it does have Vital sense
But why?
Is it Primary Crux or something?

Nah crux is status chance…

[fierce lark]

critical delay

replaces point strike

is a better version of point strike

[deep grotto]

Ah that makes sense

[fallow ether]

So I have the 547 Burst Amp but now that no-one uses energise anymore, what other amp should I be usign what what senario?

[hard dove]

The same one if you're gonna use last gap at all

Or if you're making one exclusively for last gasp x46

[fallow ether]

last gasp?

[fierce lark]

waybound unairu node

[hard dove]

The revive self after killing while in operator form

[fallow ether]

Oh

yes sorry I know that one

does that require a specific school or?

[fallow ether]

What arcanes for amp and operator?

[charred gale]

U can unbound it so that its permanently active no matter which school

[fallow ether]

yh I have done that

[hard dove]

Eradicate and strike iirc
I forgot which one is the dmg on operator ability

[nocturne heron]

is jades subsume good or does it get outperformed by other armor stripping things in the game like heat procs from diriga

[charred gale]

Eradicate?

[charred gale]

Outperformed by terrify and pilliage

[hard dove]

It's decent and heat proc doesn't even come close to armor strip

[nocturne heron]

pilliage and terrify have to be recasted tho right?

[hard dove]

What does onslaught do again? Cc on energy empty?

[charred gale]

Yeah but they cover way more

[charred gale]

I believe so

[nocturne heron]

is it better than roar if i use kullervo okina incarnon

[charred gale]

Oh and insta strip instead of waiting

[nocturne heron]

too slow for kullervo tho

[charred gale]

Roar will probably be better if ur using influence

[hard dove]

Does subsumed ophanim eyes still do ranged rez

[charred gale]

Just run corrosive projection and ur gonna kill everything

[nocturne heron]

yes

[charred gale]

Nah thats the thing that gets removed

[nocturne heron]

wait what

[charred gale]

It does??????

[nocturne heron]

i THINK it does

[charred gale]

Ill check rq

[nocturne heron]

ah

the subsume cant

[charred gale]

Yeah

[nocturne heron]

ik roar is good but i wanna find a more interesting and cooler alternative

[fierce lark]

warcry is always an option

[nocturne heron]

what that do

[hard dove]

Attack spd and armor

[charred gale]

Lowkey just run roar😭

It does kinda the same thing anyways

Like gameplay wise it stays the same

[hard dove]

All of em is press and forget about for some amount of seconds

[charred gale]

Yeah lol

[fierce lark]

there's not much you can really do to enhance the melee playstyle

other than play a different frame lol

[hard dove]

Wrathful advance is unique on it's own bc of the teleport thing
But WA is already on kullervo in the first place

And it still falls under press and forgot

[steady epoch]

What are you currently using roar for? Is it for DoTs from a weapon or ability? Or are you just looking for a big damage boost? If so… to weapons or abilities?

[fierce lark]

yes

[marble hollow]

For melee, its only really WA or Roar tbh

You could do shock trooper for Influence too, I guess

[fluid hare]

anyone got any good soma prime builds or dual toxocyst they could share?

[nova swift]

warcry for melee is not bad either, especially if you have trouble hitting 1400 armor for persistance through heat

[novel bear]

Breach surge never hurts either, but collective curse kind of does the same thing

[hard dove]

You only need 700
Unless you get hit by corrosive or something

[nova swift]

heat proc removes 50% armor

so either 700 armor + status immune, or 1400 without

that being said at level cap warcry seems to be a bit glitchy at times? Ive seen people go down with more then enough armor for persistence

[hybrid bolt]

Need a SP op Saryn prime build

[raw sigil]

lowkey need an affinity blessing for a forma session

[fallow ether]

what about these builds could be made better for speed?

[marble hollow]

Armor cap isn't the only thing you're looking out for with Persistence. Proper sources of regen are just as important.

And Persistence itself is also pretty buggy

[karmic badger]

Iirc its a 50/50 coin flip when you're a client

[dire patrol]

@karmic badger

[silver gale]

What element is best for kuva sobek

[old marsh]

Tox/Elec/Heat/Mag

[indigo oriole]

What's better on a lateron cc or ms

[old marsh]

For riven or u asking to pick between acuity/ms?

[fallow ether]

Hey so for stuff like best overall melee, best voidrig build, best malsolob, is there a thing pinned soemwhere syaing what the preferred weapons or builds are?

[normal niche]

Isnt this decent? Or can I roll a lot higher or should I go for 3 positive stats?

[charred gale]

Slottable and is alright

Could def be better tho

[crimson osprey]

hey, are venka prime actually good melee weapons?

[fierce lark]

ask and you shall receive, typically

unless you wanna calculate all your own stuff on underframe, the only real chart ive seen was one comparing top 10 melee weapon dps, in which nami solo incarnon was best group dps (with influence) and i forget which was best single target

[crimson osprey]

more curious if they were worth investing in. i have the keratinos whuch look neat, interesting ability, but very underwhelming

[fierce lark]

it's hard to single out a clear best in categories because we're at an extreme level of overkill to where mediocre is enough to clear all content with even a little buffing

[crimson osprey]

oh sorry saryn you werent referring to me haha

[fierce lark]

venka p is the best claw but they're comparing with pmuch just keratinos lol

as an overall melee they're probably fine (literally any melee works with slop crabsweat influence) but they're nothing noteworthy

[near vortex]

13x combo is something

[crimson osprey]

im asking purely because im looking for sometihng that feels good on my Voruna, thematically currently using kronen prime, influence build and the whoel thing just doesnt really feel fun

[near vortex]

Hits the highest boost from Outburst with Crescendo

[fierce lark]

venka prime crescendo lole

it's funny, but furax makes an infinitely better secondary statstick

it's hard to recommend a different melee weapon based on kronen influence being boring

because everything else + influence is gonna feel the same way

you could do a 12x exposure build but it's gonna fall off hard in packs

plus influence doesn't care as much about weapons with awful follow through

[crimson osprey]

my problem is ive been spoiled and in love with my melee nikana zaw since i crafteed it.. nothing feels quite as good and i always chase that high, but i want something different, more... feral for voruna

Hammers, like the sarofang never felt right, though ive toyed witg the idea kf the wolf sledge

Any interesting niche weapons, ideas, etc? Im open to ideas i feel like I got nothing

[fierce lark]

the only thing relatively niche/interesting ive played with melee wise is spinnerex with afflictions

[crimson osprey]

oraxia melee?

[fierce lark]

yeah

weapon is pure toxin with a base status chance of 40% and coiling viper stance has forced lifted, so it can apply a lot of toxin procs

[charred gale]

Meh they’re mid imo

[viral totem]

I've been told the felarx can I e shot charge Nova's antimatter drop orb but it takes a minimum of 3 shots for me to fully charge it? Any tips?

[crimson osprey]

nothing really stands out as a sort of primal, feral type melee weapon for a wolf type frame, or a chroma type eiuther for that matter

[coral crest]

Ghoulsaw!!!

Kuva when it comes out

Voruna's buff is great to make up for ghoulsaw's shortcomings dmg wise

[crimson osprey]

maybe, riopkas always looked fun, but i assume theyre garbage too

[coral crest]

Her melee buff gives you +100% crit and status with forced slash to work with

[crimson osprey]

nice

[coral crest]

I feel like you can make anything work with that sort of buff

[compact hill]

is this build good for ivara? ill mainly be using her for staying invisible in the open world

[fierce lark]

what's stretch for?

[compact hill]

ability range?

[fierce lark]

yeah but i mean what do you want the range for? if it's just for open world invisibility

[old marsh]

Stealing

https://tenor.com/view/steal-it-back-gif-3806770763996174383

[fierce lark]

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-its-a-crime-you-wouldnt-steal-a-car-you-wouldnt-steal-a-handbag-you-wouldnt-steal-a-television-you-wouldnt-steal-a-movie-gif-20041626

[charred gale]

Worst campaign oat

[glossy mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-22669238

[woven drift]

So I'm using fire blast on kullervo for my burning hate build. And I have a free slot in my kullervo should I bother with any first blast Aug or for funnies use archon vitality

[severe bough]

Is secura lecta credit farm the normal influence crab build?

[weary lily]

dawg wht

[deep grotto]

Ripkas aren’t bad, especially with the amalgam mod

[deep grotto]

They mean CRABSWEAT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786650853431181342/1360560895280812093/Wn47lY1.png?ex=697697d3&is=69754653&hm=3b122ab61814b3c89959324e8610aaf1b5ceeddcaba7422dc4baf649269c9767&

[severe bough]

Standard melee build for almost every melee

[weary lily]

whts tht'

[coral crest]

Crab sweating

[weary lily]

hmm

[weary lily]

oh aight

[arctic bison]

why is it called crabsweating

[severe bough]

👆

[weary lily]

letters

[arctic bison]

oh if I looked at the picture I would have figured it out, didn't realize it was that simple

[undone dust]

probably sleep arrow range for hunting

but narrow minded is in there too so probably not LMAO

[ocean cove]

Can someone give me a decent steel path dark split sword build using galvanized elementalist?

[scarlet wedge]

does anyone have any idea how to make Dante stronger

[charred gale]

Nah u want gas on it

At least from what I remember it was important

[severe bough]

Ive also heared smth with thag

But bruh i play pt anyway

Speaking of pt

Anybody need a bless

I finally can bless in meta arbi

[velvet pulsar]

If I give Toxin elemental ward to Nekros summons using Everlasting Ward and I'm using Summoner's Wrath, will the aura mod boost their toxin damage aura?

[charred gale]

Dont see a point in investing into the lecta farm then lmao

[severe bough]

Ye lmao sold it

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/CkOQd_xgKrA?si=LIh1W8jUDjlnE6in

[valid cargo]

@fierce lark Yo yo i followed your arca plasma build and... Is this normal?

[severe bough]

Real tech

[charred gale]

4 digits😭

[mighty flare]

what build are you using?

[hollow mantle]

Anything I can do to improve the singletarget damage on this? I can hit 4mil - 15mil consistently but I know it could probably go higher.

Ignoring the Riven, I've been rolling it all week.

[leaden thistle]

Ay Jimmy, gimme a Phage with nothin'

||it's compensated by Arcane Rage lmao||

[valid cargo]

@mighty flare

[velvet pulsar]

PRIMER!

[fierce lark]

the first 1-2 shots with no buffs, nothing stacked against armor capped heavy gunner eximus are gonna be a bit limp yeah

[bitter palm]

I need 2 wisp mods... I have some plat

[pliant night]

A-10 we have at home...

[fierce lark]

does a lot better when you actually have buffs stacked, esp since the only base dmg source of merciless

and like not every enemy is a heavy gunner eximus lol

plus this is 0 buffs outside of universally accessible companion

[blazing oyster]

Does anyone have an exalted umbra blade build for me (before SP, access to galvanized mods)

[spare geyser]

What'd be the optimal focus school for Protea?

[old marsh]

If u subsume dispensary then Zenurik. If u don’t then Madurai so u can snap shot STR bonus on her 2 and keep it infinitely with her 4.

[gaunt sapphire]

what warframes benefit from arcane expertise

[worthy ruin]

Any good builds for the aceceltra prime

[worthy ruin]

Hildryn

[fierce lark]

pretty much just hildryn

i think styanax is bait

[worthy ruin]

I think you can also use negative abillity strength to lower you shield for some type of shield gate strat

[mighty flare]

you'd just use catalyzing shields

[worthy ruin]

I saw someone do it with grendel to have a max of 2 or 8 shields

[old marsh]

Negative STR

But given his kit that’s like shooting yourself in the foot

[worthy ruin]

I think it was for shield gating

I also think it was just to be funny

[gaunt sapphire]

what about harrow

harrow benefits from strength right?

[pallid quiver]

Hildryn doesn’t need ability strength?

[zealous rapids]

she does for armor stripping with pillage

also, more strength - more damage with balefire

[pallid quiver]

How much range is needed

Duration probably not at all right

[fierce lark]

expertise doesn't give strength, it gives max shield

based on strength

harrow doesn't care about max shield

[zealous rapids]

how much shields you need to cap his 2 buff?

[fierce lark]

because he generates up to 2400 (double anyone else) overshield with his 1

[fierce lark]

it depends on your duration

modded duration scales the duration you get per shield consumed

the max shields you can generate (for prime at least) is 3040, which will hit cap at about 230% duration if im mathing this right

somewhere between 230 and 240

[pallid quiver]

Hello I just started with sevagoth and idk how to really use him, I know his 4 is kinda bad but beyond that he’s eating up so much energy and not giving much back for it

How do I build him and use him

[zealous rapids]

his 4 is not really bad, it's just an exalted warframe focused on melee

his main point is using 2 then 1 to nuke everything into oblivon

using augments for these abilities gives even better results