builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

i dont find the lich/sister process that much worse than coda

[old marsh]

but if they add more weapons into the pool of an already bloated one, it will be even more annoying to farm. they need to convert it into the Coda system

[woven lynx]

Coda is way faster and less tedious

You can literally be done in an hour

Thats how good it is

[next dune]

tenet guns are fine. the kuva liches are a pain to get through tho. and holokeys are a pain to farm so you can get the melees

[old marsh]

technically u can finish the full Kuva cycle in under 20 minutes. but its too RNG based.

[woven lynx]

But tough luck me being mr15

Cant buy shit

[next dune]

sisters no. liches are so painful tho

[fierce lark]

i dont know exactly how long liches take, it doesn't feel like it's that much longer than coda hunts but they're heavily dependent on rng

[next dune]

coda. an hour or two top. sisters maybe 3. liches 5-6 hours min

[old marsh]

its too RNG based unlike Coda which literally has a progression number for u to follow

[next dune]

i think it was summer or fall that they said they were gonna look at potentially streamlining them to a closer format to coda. but the sisters dont really need it. the kuva liches definitely need a streamline

[old marsh]

u need atmost 3 attempts to find the anti virus mod. whereas for kuva its 7.

[fierce lark]

lich hunts do not take me anywhere close to 5-6 hours if im actually trying

[next dune]

its the murmurs that take so long. ;you can find the first rune for sisters in like 2 missions. for liches, you have to either run them constantly or sit there waiting for thralls to spawn

[old marsh]

not that long. 3 hrs at best for kuva. little less for sisters. coda is just too easy to run.

[next dune]

most times, i get the first rune for liches after i've cleared out like half the nodes they've taken over on the initial planet. and that's if they didnt show up and i said screw it and stabbed them to make them run

[old marsh]

altho if u reach kuva fortress then it will take much longer. specially if u r a new player

[next dune]

even if my lich numbers are off, it takes me half as long to deal with a sister than it does a lich

[old marsh]

happened only once. had to use Ultimatum

[fierce lark]

i think the max you ever stab a lich is 5 times if you're doing it right

and 5 is the absolute shittest luck case scenario

[next dune]

and quite often i do run this stuff with friends or clan mates so i'm more helping them then doing it for myself these days. most lich/sister weapons that you can farm are at 60 for me. and even if they aren't, i have all the adversary weapons. i just need the forma to max them all

[fierce lark]

actually that's without oulls

with oulls the max is 4 stabs

[old marsh]

thats if your mod unveil progression is on track. and thats the issue. Sisters have exactly 3 hounds. liches have smaller progression and per mission they can spawn based on the number of enemies u kill.

[fierce lark]

i'll put it this way

i didn't know liches could even go to kuva fortress lol

so i've never in my life had a lich go that long

[old marsh]

so either u stay in mission and kill a set number of enemies, spending more time to stab them.

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-bang-theory-jim-parsons-sheldon-cooper-what-a-noob-noob-gif-5408039

[next dune]

missions can only spawn 10 thralls, plus 10 per lich that attacks in said mission. sisters spawn 3 hounds permission. and more reliably. to top it off, 3 hounds give more progress then 10 thralls

[old marsh]

u r not a true WF player if u never hunted a lich in kuva fortress

[next dune]

and that's if the lich doesnt have traits that make it stop spawning thralls or run away prematurely

[old marsh]

and heres the best part. if u exhaust all missions, it will reset the nodes so u have to do the missions again and hope lich spawns UNLESS u have an Ultimatum

[next dune]

i would love to see the javlok get the adversary treatment... plus a coda speargun could be cool

[old marsh]

yes plz

[next dune]

oh no.. .thoughts... kuva miter

[old marsh]

Miter has incarnon so forget about it

[next dune]

oh... and tenet opticor

[mighty pelican]

tenet exergis... my build requires me to not max out a mod i need the extra levels xd

[old marsh]

thats illegal

[next dune]

i've turned the exergis into a slam shotgun lol

[old marsh]

saying coz i have a built Exergis and dont wanna build abother one

[mighty pelican]

full polarisation and still at the limit of modding

[next dune]

sundial weapons need an update bad tho. like seriously

[mighty pelican]

give the stug a kuva version AND an incarnon and make it still suck afterwards for the funnies

[next dune]

ooo.... kuva kulstar

oh golden lords no.... tenet dual cestra

tenet staticor/sonicor tho...

[old marsh]

given everyone -100% projectile speed riven

[mighty pelican]

you have to turn your back to enemies it has negative speed

thats actually possible with rivens on some weapons lol

[old marsh]

Hoping Reb mentions something in the stream

[mighty pelican]

well apparently were getting shown new lich weapons

[old marsh]

Altho a bit sad I will have to throw away the normal versions for the new ones

Always hurts

[old marsh]

Ye. Reb mentioned in devshort

[next dune]

it'd be hilarious if they said they dropping an old peace encore that reworks liches/sisters and refreshes their loot pools adding/removing weapons and if they remove weapons have them be moved to some sort of shop that isn't a nightmare to farm the currency for.... I'M LOOKING AT YOU GLAST

[mighty pelican]

unspecified for which type but i assume all factions and perhaps incarnons too since regular circuit should be getting new base frames soon and then we would be missing a steel path rotation for those

[mighty pelican]

gauss, grendel (oh please let people skip the normal grenel grind)

[old marsh]

And make it a 3 day rotation plz. Tenet weapon pool is quite large

[mighty pelican]

i heard the rule is roughly, if the prime version is vaulted the base can be in circuit

[next dune]

plz dont remind me of that trauma

[mighty pelican]

cedo is a livesaver thanks to innate condition overload

[old marsh]

Equinox

[mighty pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-goku-mad-goku-dbs-dbs-gif-11120329515669448575

citrine:

[next dune]

that grind needs to be simplified. period. that farm is a nightmare. it's why i haven't subsumed her yet

[next dune]

the only bad thing about that grind is the amount of currency you need to buy the parts if you're unlucky

[old marsh]

Doubt she will be added. Circuit is already swamped. And she has pity like Voruna, Dante and such

[mighty pelican]

suprised they simplify stuff like entrati family standing since its much older content now (and i bet that will happen eventually with citrine grind too) but equinox is just forgotten

ropalolist with the 5 amalgam mods also needs pity system to gurantee no repeats, its literally a 20% chance each time, i needed over 20 runs

[next dune]

going through melees thinking of adversary weapons... hehehe... tenet arca titron

[mighty pelican]

to get the final one. you cant trade them

[next dune]

i wonder if they're gonna add a weapon or skin this year for the anniversary... i'd love a new primary or secondary and for them to do a balance pass for all of the dex weapons

[mighty pelican]

oh and speaking of incarnons, they spoke that snipers were excluded bc the incarnon interaction would interfere with the zoom key, but you could just make it activate when you are not aiming?? also they could do something whacky and make it charge with sniper combo or scale with it in some way, sniper combo is so irrelevant these days

or just have the incarnon turn a weapon into a sniper

[next dune]

there are a bunch of melee types that need love too. scythes, and whips. all the types that came out ages ago and only have one or two stances...

[mighty pelican]

worst offender: nunchakus

4 exist, one of them a prime version

one stance (2nd one is pvp only)

[next dune]

and if i remember correctly, only the prime is worth using. didnt even know it had a second stance

[mighty pelican]

fencing also lacks weapons, i believe only 3 base and zaws exist

[mighty pelican]

i believe pulmonars can do some unique builds too thanks to innate viral

[next dune]

completely forgot the endura existed lol

glaive are another weapon type that could use some love

[mighty pelican]

there are as much claw stances as unique claws

[next dune]

the wolf sledge is such a cool and unique weapon... we could use more like it. a thrown hammer? that's cool af

[next dune]

see, imo i would only say 3 stances. because one is conclave only and who plays conclave these days?

[mighty pelican]

i HOOOOPE out of the weapon theyre showing we get new weapons like the vinquibus, except completely other combo of weapons

[next dune]

the vinquibus is too new i think. but there are so many other weapons that only have like 1 or 2 versions and could use more. and like i've said, there are so many weapon types that need new stances. the dual nikanas, 2 handed niakanas, nunchaku, ect. and then ones that need new stances or a refesh like scythes and claws

[inner pagoda]

stug incarnon

thats what we wanna see

[next dune]

also i hate that you can't use the nikana gemini skin on the dual nikanas

the gemini surt/ymir form skins. that would be so cool to have those be on the sun and moon or any new dual nikana's they drop

[mighty pelican]

now that i think about it, the corufell is probably their first attempt at making the bayonet type weapon but they couldnt make it work as both weapon types yet

[next dune]

entirely possible

but a 2 handed gunblade? that isn't treated as a gunblade even... that was cool. it became my main melee for a while

[vestal lintel]

Should i buy a warframe slot or sell rhino? I dont play him whatsoever but maybe he has some use

[inner pagoda]

dont sell him

eventually you will unlock the helmith

[next dune]

sell him unless you've unlocked helminth

[inner pagoda]

send me your in game name ill gift u a wf slot

[next dune]

a lot of people use roar on builds

[inner pagoda]

or type /w MrLoweKey hey!! in wf n u will be able to talk

[mighty pelican]

slots are always worth buying, sucks theres such a low limit early on

[inner pagoda]

for real when i played wf like 11 years ago trading was alot harder and more expensive

plus super grindy which what made me love wf

[vestal lintel]

I have enough plat for a slot thanks though :)

[next dune]

thought of a special effect the coda mire couldve had.... slam attacks (combos that slam included) make a line of spine-like spikes come out of the ground. that wouldve been so cool. yes i know there's a mod set that triggers this, but it wouldve been different. like maybe inherently procing viral or something

but sadly i think the only weapon that really got a unique update was the coda catabolyst

[inner pagoda]

honestly bro save it encase u need something else

[vestal lintel]

hm

[next dune]

yeah there were 3 new weapons added with the technocyte but only one reprised weapon who had an upgrade that wasn't just increased stats

[inner pagoda]

im not plat broke dude, im always helping existing and new players out

[next dune]

kinda wanna reqork my vararya now...

[vestal lintel]

Ok then ill dm after am done with my mission

[next dune]

think i was trying to follow some build online.. but it's been a bit since i paid attention to it. it is quite an interesting weapon tho imo

this is what it's sitting on

[vestal lintel]

says you arent online btw

[inner pagoda]

is that your ign

[vestal lintel]

Username is: uwuoah

[inner pagoda]

sweet

[next dune]

anyone got advice on vadarya?

still wanna figure out what focus school i should use with uriel too

[karmic badger]

Iirc its 30, 60, 90 thralls per word

[floral sky]

Might want a 8th mod

[next dune]

great non-suggestion

[floral sky]

Your welcome

[next dune]

i didnt say thank you

[severe bough]

Vital sense

Last slot

[karmic badger]

Acuity would be fun alternative

[next dune]

i think it's main damage comes from it's lightning strikes doesn it?

[karmic badger]

That's the aoe aspect

Its still a precision rifle

[floral sky]

Whats high voltage dk if i hwve that one is a 60 60 mod

[next dune]

dual stat elec mod

[severe bough]

Elec mod

[floral sky]

Probably need to get it

[next dune]

baro or trade market

you can't farm any of the dual stat electricity mods iirc

[floral sky]

Damn i still need a lot of primed mods from baro

Hoping for target cracker or pistol gambit whicher wasnt in his last lot

Is there anyway to see what baro has in stock before friday

[next dune]

nope

[brazen robin]

What's the DMG rn? Like how do I make any weapon hit harder currently? Viral? Heat? Slash?

[karmic badger]

Viral heat is the standard nowadays

Slash fell off hard since enemies scale way harder into health now instead of armor

[brazen robin]

So viral heat and basic DMG multi shot set up?

[karmic badger]

Yes

If possible, slip magnetic in there

Helps against overguard

[brazen robin]

Ok so my choice of gun is just bad 🤣

[karmic badger]

And shields, but ehh

[brazen robin]

I just want Sybaris to be strong

[karmic badger]

Its good, but you need the incarnon

[brazen robin]

Can I incarnon the prime?

[karmic badger]

Yes

[brazen robin]

And a new grind begins 🤣 tyvm

[glass rock]

is this build good? using it on a 50% magnetic progenitor tenet cycron

dont have galv mods for secondaries yet

[karmic badger]

Farm those first

[next dune]

i use cascadia flare on mine not fortifier

[glass rock]

yeah its what im planning

[glass rock]

i use it to prime and deal with higher lvl eximus

[karmic badger]

Tbh secondary priming is old fashioned

Companions offer near identical performance for no effort

[glass rock]

like nautilus?

whats cycron even good for then

[karmic badger]

Funny beam gun?

[glass rock]

cause thats like the hwole reason i got it lol

[next dune]

murder

[karmic badger]

Its basically a nukor that traded the absurd crit damage dor more crit chance

[glass rock]

i use my nukor for that

sometimes i swap flare for enervate

[barren orbit]

no

[late hemlock]

Pistol gambit on nukor? Whyyyyyy

Kick flare out for enervate and get pistol gambit away from this weapon lmao

[old marsh]

never question why. ask why not. specially when they dont have primed heated charge with flare

[late hemlock]

Not owning a mod is one thing but owning and using a crit mod on a weapon with 7% crit chance is another

Can't control baro visits

[old marsh]

exactly my point

[next dune]

ugh i really dont wanna farm hunhullus... constantly glitches out on me and puts me in permadeath during that fight

[scarlet mason]

How does vex armour work on chroma? The damage part i mean. Does it give the same type of damage increase as serration, effectivly replacing it? I heard its the same thing as amp from octavia. Can someone explain it to me?

[old marsh]

u mean the archwing spawn? just hold down the back input when that screen fades into white. u will dodge at spawn. and fly over the beam height

[karmic badger]

Put tellurium back into perita drop tables

[next dune]

yeah. it's called i'll spawn in with my normal weapons not my archgun and then i'll get tethered and dragged out of bounds then die, then be permastuck out of bounds and dying and there's nothing i can do about it at that point

[proud anchor]

The vex armor buff is additive to base damage mods like serration

[scarlet mason]

So it can replace serration or primary deadhead right?

[proud anchor]

Yes

[scarlet mason]

Thats great! Thank you!

[proud anchor]

No problem

[scarlet mason]

And it works multiplicatively with GUNCO with for example torid?

[proud anchor]

Yep

[scarlet mason]

Omg

Thats amazing!

Gonna try it on limbo!

[glass rock]

As a part time limbo player, I’d highly recommend not subsuming over any of his abilities, cause each of them adds to his playstyle

[scarlet mason]

Thats what i do too. If there is anything i could put subsume on. It would be cataclizm. But cataclizm is so good its hard choice

[glass rock]

Yeah

[scarlet mason]

I got limbo invigoration for +100% durration. With grimuare and ris i have ~90s cataclism! Thats great ass hell. But its not like i don't have to recast it, unfortunately cataclysm is effective up to the point where it becomes too small.

[trim hill]

Don't think you can put Vex Armor on Limbo anyways

Unless someone else is buffing him

[scarlet mason]

Thats not what i was thinking

Limbo have rift torrent augment

It gives the same type of buff as vex armour or amp

In survival you can reach 3000% or more

[trim hill]

Rift Torrent is amazing, and you should absolutely try it

Even with just a little bit of positive strength, you can reliably get +500% dmg without much effort

[late ice]

Which riven stat is better for phantasma: multishot or damage?

[charred gale]

Multishot

Always especially on beam weapons

[kindred pumice]

hello, im having a little trouble with this build bc of hot shot, it takes way to long to reach the max critical chance with gauss, it works wonderfully with uriel, but i preffer gauss bc of his 4rt ability that givves 150% fire rate, is there any arcane that makes me mantain this damage output by replacing hot shot? or any other sugestions?

[late ice]

Is cold good for phantasma riven?

[kindred pumice]

if u pair it with toxic on mods, it would work

[late ice]

Cuz u can also make blast

Or magnetic

[kindred pumice]

ye, but if u use toxic, it makes viral, and viral does 330% damage to healt

[late ice]

And add nourish subsume

Cuzthis is on my screen rn

[zealous rapids]

well, right one is definitely better than left one

crit damage is not best stat for phantasma though since it's a status weapon

[karmic badger]

Use a hound with manifold bond and heat

[kindred pumice]

oky, ill try

[karmic badger]

Or a sentinel

Really anything that can spam heat procs via abilities

Hot shot activates on any ability, not just warframe

[late ice]

Does cr do anything for phantasma?

[kindred pumice]

is this good?

[severe bough]

Viral alone wont do much u want to mode heat aswell

and on gauss u need fast deflection + arcane aegis

[tight tulip]

which would be better?

[pallid quiver]

Does gauss just not need ability strength

[old marsh]

Neither. U want Crit Dmg for sure. 2nd one is flex. MS, Dmg, FR, Toxin, CC

[midnight horizon]

Depends on the build

[tight tulip]

ended up rerolling after that and got this

[midnight horizon]

But if you're building just for his kit alone, he needs just 100% strength

That's also assuming you use kinetic

[old marsh]

Good enough. Just be mindful to place this mod at the last slot if u want viral heat

[pallid quiver]

I intend to build him for thermal nuke

What stats should I build into?

[velvet pulsar]

I just tried building Oberon, and I'm thinking his 4 is a better subsume slot than his 3.

[old marsh]

Range

[lean warren]

Is the coda hirudo worth picking up for the lifesteal synergy with the new arcane?

[old marsh]

And efficiency so u can spam it or use steadfast

[old marsh]

What arcane?

[pallid quiver]

Does strength not affect at all?

[mighty pelican]

its pretty solid in general

but yeah if u use it on frames like inaros, it + persistence make you actually immortal

[lean warren]

Persistence. The one that synergizes with lifesteal.

[mighty pelican]

was able to kill the apex tank without really trying bc of how good the heal was

[lean warren]

I've never heard of it in the meta lists. Every time I look at a "what coda to get" list everyone just goes off about how strong the glaive and the shotgun are

[midnight horizon]

Very

[trim cargo]

i rerolled a riven and i got this guy

[gleaming oasis]

started to make a workable torid incarnon build. wanted some help to get it more polished and filled

[old marsh]

It’s Alr

[old marsh]

It does but range is priority

[pallid quiver]

About how much strength and range do I want? And can I sacrifice efficiency and duration?

[severe bough]

Range and duration is priority tho str can help but u alr get a strip and it scales so u can easily drop it on thunder nuke

[steady epoch]

Echo chamber effect in action lol.
Dual Coda Torxica, Coda Hirudo, Coda Mire, and Coda Catabolyst are all amazing too

Tbh they are all pretty great

[severe bough]

Just use augmented to be at 100% str

[steady epoch]

Bassocyst and Pathocyst are probably the best tho that’s true.

[lean warren]

I've been building the Coda Hema for my gauss purely because the insane fire rate has me in desperate need of an infinite ammo weapon that isn't the Nataruk, I also really dislike the crosshair of the Bassocyst. It just looks way too distracting

[steady epoch]

Hema mod in Nightwave too!

[trim hill]

Coda Sporothrix yurrrr

[steady epoch]

Hema is just a solid gun fr

[lean warren]

Yeah, hopefully getting that soon

[trim hill]

Debilitate Sporothrix is so satisfyingly fun

[old marsh]

Range > STR > Eff > Dur

[gleaming oasis]

Can I get some help with rounding out a troid incarnon build?

[topaz verge]

Can someone help me with my nezha build?

What should I change here? I'm thinking about getting Dante's subsume instead of fire walker

[mighty pelican]

meta are weapons that you can turn your brain off to. the coda hirudo perform really well still

[scarlet mason]

I'm about to reach 300 day login. Whitch weapone should i choose when 300th comes?

[mighty pelican]

especially with health tank

[lean warren]

if you're going for the 4 nuke build, iirc you're supposed to get the temple subsume

[mighty pelican]

youll get a new 3rd option, the sigma and octanis sword and shield combo which can throw the shield when youre mid air which opens enemies up to finishers
azima has some neat tech to set up a turret that continuously spreads status in one area
zenith lets you have cyte-09 wallhacks for it alone

idk about that other melee

to me azima is the most unique, the pistol

[topaz verge]

I don't have her

I just got Dante and I fed him to the room a while ago

[lean warren]

He's easy to get, just run hollvania defense missions a few times

[topaz verge]

No slots and I'm already building uriel 😢

[woven wren]

is this worth saving

[old marsh]

Crit dmg is needed. 2nd roll is flex

[woven wren]

i don't understand by 2nd roll is flex, is it like flexible or something?

[topaz verge]

Is this a good mod? And how much could I sell it for?

[old marsh]

yes

[severe bough]

Focus on high range and use temples subsume and go neg duration.
U can either go full neg duration so ur 4 expires by itself but in this case it makes shield gate harder ( eg augur mod/brespite due to running pos efficiency, tho its only for saftey cuz sometimes halo ward tweaks ) this method takes button mashing a Bit Away but i found it much easier Running neg efficiency so u still got the saftey shield gate tho if u use that u need to spam abilitys def more often cuz u normally Activated 4 and let it run out here you press it again

[slim sedge]

is the acid shells mod worth it still

[woven wren]

i seee, i’ll try to save it

[old marsh]

very much.

[severe bough]

Yes

[woven wren]

where do you see this if i may ask

[topaz verge]

But if they dissappear immediately I won't be able to apply effects or the halo debuff

[old marsh]

its a bot. i cant even remember how to share it.

[woven wren]

ahh i see, thanks!

[severe bough]

If the dissappear instandly ur basically pressing 4 and 1 without pressing 4 again

[topaz verge]

What

[severe bough]

U cast 4
U cast 1 ( temple subsume )
U let 4 run out

[old marsh]

and make sure u have casting speed shards if your duration is 13 or 17%

[severe bough]

The only difference between those 2 variants is that the other one needs to press 4 again cuz then it doesnt run out that fast when your running 13% duration

[severe bough]

Still having cast speed problems with 3 tau shards

[old marsh]

thats where focus school comes in

[severe bough]

Cast speed maxxing fr

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[severe bough]

Make a nezha macro

[topaz verge]

What about the halo?

And can I use Dante for now? Or would temple be wayyy better?

[trim hill]

Temple's would probably work better, but you need grouping to make the most of it

[severe bough]

U mean her 3?

[severe bough]

Temple is better but ig dante can work aswell

[copper tree]

does grimoire khra canticle still work even if I have the grimoire holstered ?

[woven wren]

what y'all think?

[velvet pulsar]

You won't hear about its praise yet.
It's still building up.

Once DE discusses health tank in next DEvstream, it'll get drastically famous.

[lean warren]

are people not realizing how overtuned persistence is yet? I assume it'd be pretty obvious how strong it is

[velvet pulsar]

Problem is the obvious people think it's very powerful, but it has several limitations

First of all, any form of true damage will bypass the 500 damage per second cap

[lean warren]

Is true damage common?

[velvet pulsar]

Slash procs
Leech eximus

[lean warren]

I mean you need status immunity anyway for persistence to work, given how magnetic ruins it, and heat/corrosive can take you under the armor requirement

[velvet pulsar]

They can be dealt with

Eximus and nullifiers can be dealt via silence subsume

Any form of problematic status can be dealt via status immunity

Most health tanks do have some form of status immunity, but some don't, like chroma.

But the amount of investment you're doing to make persistence foolproof vs shield gate low effort shows the difference

[topaz verge]

Yes

Or was it it his second

[velvet pulsar]

Which is why people are waiting for real health tank discussion because DE said they didn't intend persistence to fix health tank

[topaz verge]

Idk I just press square and he throws it

[glass rampart]

is virtuos strike or fury better

not gonna use eternal onslaught

[topaz verge]

Is this a good mod?

[subtle orbit]

yes bro

[topaz verge]

Should I get the weapon or just sell it because it isn't worth it?

[trim hill]

Chakkhurr even without a riven is worth it

[subtle orbit]

^^^^

[topaz verge]

Oh nice, then I'll try getting it after my sister of parvos

[terse pawn]

Whats a good starter build for valkyr or dante?

[topaz verge]

Btw she got a toxic cycron, is that a good weapon?

[late hemlock]

The element nowadays isnt as big of a factor because of the elemental vice

But the % is the rng you gotta deal with

[topaz verge]

32%

[late hemlock]

Minimum is 25 and max is 60 so your roll is pretty low

[mortal canyon]

now my strun is good ?

[subtle orbit]

thats a pretty neat build bro

[velvet pulsar]

Chakkhurr is being discussed eh

My first adversary weapon
Though instead of killing that Lich I converted it because I wanted a bodyguard

[gleaming oasis]

I'm looking to complete my torid incarnon build. what should I use to complete it?****

[old marsh]

Any specific reason for blast toxin?

To only use against corpus?

[gleaming oasis]

Can't remeber if I was just in a blast mood that day or one of my firends said that was decent?

[gleaming oasis]

I assume viral heat is the default for this weapon

[old marsh]

Ye but blast toxin is also pretty good against corpus

[gleaming oasis]

I can work with that

[gleaming oasis]

so reseting as this as the start of blast toxin what else should be included

[woven wren]

does anyone got afk saryn build? lowkey wanna grind arbi for 3 hours with her or gyre

[late hemlock]

Why would you use h.cal before using serration?

Exilus should pretty much always be vigilante supplies, you also need crit delay and vital sense

Status chance is overkill imo could just go for the primed mods

Either way galv aptitude is gonna provide you with more damage after the ramp up than both serration or hcal

[gleaming oasis]

so swap heavy cal for serration, use the 90 mods since I dont have the primed versions, use crit delay and vital sense and use aptituder correct?

[late hemlock]

Don't need to stack both serration and aptitude

Can change serration to firerate

Not suggesting bane mods because I'm just assuming you dont want to bother justified ong

[gleaming oasis]

what would be an appropriate arcane when I get to that part

[late hemlock]

Some frames will do better with certain arcane than others so its not a set in stone

That being said you can just use the normal merciless / deadhead since you probably maxed em

[gleaming oasis]

hows this look then

[surreal python]

Amp build for last gasp on Zenurik? 147, 547?

[late hemlock]

Doesn't matter because you use the 4

[surreal python]

I want a decent amp dmg to replace Sirocco though

[gaunt sapphire]

thoughts? im building for snow globe

[severe bough]

Drop gappitude

[gaunt sapphire]

any advice on what helminth would be nice

[gleaming oasis]

for what then?

[fathom sky]

Go 5 since you can use that for Thrax.

[severe bough]

547 is the best for general and also last gap

[surreal python]

Sweeeet

Tyty

[severe bough]

Just spam alt fire and your good

[severe bough]

Hammer shot bane elementalist

[gaunt sapphire]

what helminths benefit on frosts snow globe?

[surreal python]

Cantic, phahd and certus?

[severe bough]

Or using some unconditional base dmg always nice tho ig torid doesnt need it anyways

[severe bough]

Yup

[gaunt sapphire]

?

[fathom sky]

Pretty sure there's nothing that helps Snow Globe enough to matter

[gaunt sapphire]

im thinking that chilling globe and biting frost go well together, i just need more armor

[gaunt sapphire]

what about parasitic armor

i forgot what it does but i heard its a good helminth for armor

[fathom sky]

You get armor but most of the globe's health will just come from being shot at anyway\

[gaunt sapphire]

ah ok so this is good and then i can put like nourish or something on it

[fathom sky]

https://overframe.gg/build/238735/ Here's something related
But really I'd just use https://overframe.gg/build/218072/

[gaunt sapphire]

im a big snow globe fan

how do you even get health conv

[fathom sky]

It's just not something you really build into like some other abilities. Snow Globe just does its thing as you build other abilities

Arbitrations, in some capacity. Forgot if it's shop or mission reward

[gaunt sapphire]

ah ok

[frosty fjord]

health conversion is from simaris

[glossy mauve]

One week ago vs now can someone tell me how does the exact same build have so much less dmg???

Did they change something in the past week?

[late hemlock]

Something got fked up in one of the hotfixes I also noticed xoris doing no damage

Have you tried reapplying the mods?

[glossy mauve]

Yes

[crimson osprey]

IS there a decent website for builds? overframe seems dated and a popularity contest.. some of the builds feel dubious at best- top ranking 4+ years old

Sorry sky, i did not mean to respond to you with my unrelated question

[glossy mauve]

Is this intended or is this a bug?

[late hemlock]

Definitely not intended

[vague jolt]

How would I calculate the total amount of shield from using mods? Just asking so I can figure it out before I have the mod space

[serene ivy]

This is my current Thayls build. I’m using a riven that has +88.8% melee damage and +50.4% status chance. Should I keep using this riven or drop and put something else on? If I drop it what should I put in its place? Is there anything else I should look to change?

[fierce lark]

that doesn't sound right i just woke up hold on

[vague jolt]

Would you be able to put it into a calculation form?

[fierce lark]

lol let me wake up a bit and re-learn math

you add all shield mods together, divide your modded shield percentage by 100, multiply the remaining number with your base shields, then add that number to your base shields

[fierce lark]

lets say you have 1000 base shield at level 30, and your shield mods add up to 280%

to find out what 280% of 1000 is, you reduce the percentage to an integer by diving it by 100, then you multiply the base shield (1000) by 2.8, which is 2800

that's how much your modded +% shields is giving you. then you add that to your base shield, meaning with +280% shield capacity and 1000 base shields, you end up with 3800

any time you want to see the precent value increase of something you can do the same thing

if you want to see what point strike on a gun with 24% base crit chance, you turn 150% into 1.5, multiply 1.5 by the base crit (24), which is 36, then you add that number to the base crit, totalling to 60% crit chance after the mod

mods together that do the same thing are almost always additive, so if you have two different shield capacity or two different crit chance mods, your resulting increase will be those %s added together

[vague jolt]

Thanks for the help

[topaz verge]

Which element should I get on my chakkur?

[crimson osprey]

Thalys is one of the new fun weapons introduced. i wished 2h nikianas got another stance, being a heavy attack weapons due to shitty stance is a poor mechanioc

[compact cypress]

whats needing changing on my furis

[fierce lark]

i would easily slot reach over it, much rather have a 9 meter scythe than 1 CO status worth of base damage

attack speed and range are both optional since first incarnon evo gives it both, but it has garbage disposition

so rivens aren't likely to help much without perfect stats

[fierce lark]

mag might is probably slightly better or the same as target cracker, if you wanted some magnetic damage for eximus

[ebon pollen]

Does anyone have a extra mod called netra

[daring tundra]

would a tenet cycron with a cold progenitor be a good choice to use with citrine's prismatic gem?

[fierce lark]

not as good as a cycron with mag or heat progenitor

[coral crest]

Nukor would still probably be better if you want to use all her kit to full power

[gaunt sapphire]

bruh im super low with simaris

[fierce lark]

actually

cycron is probably one of the worst guns to use with prismatic gem lol

the base cd on it is like 1.6

[daring tundra]

but the tenet one has additional beams on hit?

[coral crest]

Since it's low cc high cd, and crystallize sets cc to 300%

[fierce lark]

kuva nukor is the same type of gun but actually has crit damage

[frosty fjord]

off to gather some standing then, 75k standing so a couple days worth unless you buy from someone else

[fierce lark]

and like a lot of it

[daring tundra]

i dont really use her 4 much

[frosty fjord]

not too bad to gather that

[fierce lark]

coda sporothrix also, very low cc very high cd, also very high status chance and comes with an augment that does a small viral aoe

and in the weapon class that doesn't have enervate

[trim hill]

Tbf, a lot of people also seem to subsume crystallize off for one reason or another. If running crystallize, then Nukor would 100% be a better pick

[coral crest]

5 times the crit chance from normal to coda version is an insane buff though

From 1% to 5%

[fierce lark]

smile

if i were going to pick a specific gun to break the game with crystallize, coda sporo would be my first choice

[coral crest]

True

[fierce lark]

just bc it's one of the only ways to actually give it crit chance

[daring tundra]

if need high single target damage i have my harmony so dont really see a use for her 4 with that on hand

[coral crest]

Sporo is aoe with an augment

You fuel the aoe with that crystal shot

[fierce lark]

sporothrix has an aoe augment and you build it for blast

[trim hill]

Using her 4's augment, you can spread the crit crystals really ez

[coral crest]

And the augment has been added to NW recently I think

[trim hill]

Almost like a shorter banshee sonar

[coral crest]

So it's cheap

[daring tundra]

i dont mean her 4 isnt great i just dont like having to aim at things

[trim hill]

I can respect this opinion, ngl, lol

[fierce lark]

im not sure how crystallize works with gaptitude and crux

[ebon pollen]

Does anyone have a extra mod called netra I need it so I can finish a kuva lich

[trim hill]

It should work fine with gapt, but idk if the crystals are considered "weakspots", yk?

[fierce lark]

if you got any requiem relic drops from the lich hunt, you can use those in requiem fissures to get relics

[fierce lark]

they are not

unfortunately

[ebon pollen]

Yea I tried tht but I ran out of the relics that contains netra but I wasn’t able to get the mod

[trim hill]

Ye, just read the wiki page on it. Big bummer

[daring tundra]

they can stack with weak spots if they grow in the right places right?

[trim hill]

Don't think so

They are growths off of an enemy, iirc

Like a separate "body part"

[fierce lark]

yeah they grow as hitboxes

[compact cypress]

alright
btw should i be using the evolution that gives multishot on elec proc? was mentioned on overframe

[trim hill]

Meaning if a crystal grows on an enemy's head, you can't get headshot proccs off the crystal

[daring tundra]

but if the weapon has puchthrough cant it hit both then?

[trim hill]

Maybe with the right angle it's possible? Idk if the crystal is considered a separate "enemy", because afaik you can't punch-through an enemy's own body to hit another of that same enemy's body part

[daring tundra]

i mean im just quite curious if it would work though i doudt it would have any mayor application

also now that i think about it

[trim hill]

My gut says no, but I certainly have never tested that specific interaction, lol

[daring tundra]

wouldnt that mean a blast with big enough radius should hit it all so it cant be the case

[undone dust]

eh not really, there's underframe but you cant post builds to it im pretty sure
you can just make them and do a bunch of other shit

[crimson osprey]

thanks.

[fierce lark]

as a default, yes

if you can consistently generate overshield i would use the other one

apparently with the multishot evo, you can use gaptitude & secondary encumber and that's pretty good

[undone dust]

furis more like fartris

[floral sky]

If you use underframe you can put your arcanes and max lvl mods and it should tell you the stats mostly

[crimson osprey]

ahh okay. was mainly looking for a corinth prime build, i made my own lol

[floral sky]

How does one get the firing range thing i see youtubers use always wondered how but either never knew or forgot 😂

[undone dust]

go to simaris and it's on the left of the entrance door to his room when you walk in
you have to buy the key from his offers if you havent already

[crimson osprey]

cephalon simaris in the relays?

[floral sky]

Ah ok thankyou seems useful to have

[daring tundra]

also prob a stupid question because i always was just like big number good but is prismatic gems buff addative or something else?

i didnt see it being described on the wiki so i ask here

[undone dust]

additive

[floral sky]

You mean like this or

[trim hill]

I just know that whatever I use with it just suddenly starts stacking a ludicrous amount of status

[daring tundra]

sometimes i feel like im starting to go blind but no the eye docter checked and im fine

[floral sky]

Theres this but idk if its any useful

[daring tundra]

why do all my weapons have to be high status weapons?

[floral sky]

My glasses definetly helped me find it

Or are you saying you only mostly have high status weapons 😂

[daring tundra]

atomos occucor convectrix phantasma ignis dont i have something better fit for prismatic gem?

[trim hill]

I use Basmu, meself

[floral sky]

Whats the convectrix that weapon im not eveb aware of personally

Is it any good

[daring tundra]

it has an augment that makes it very efficient and increases its already very high status chance even more

[floral sky]

Rifle?

[daring tundra]

shotgun

it the augment makes it not use ammo unless its actually hitting something

[floral sky]

Ill have to check it out i need more mr is it lower than 15

[daring tundra]

its mr 7

[trim hill]

Beam weapon with tons of status, oh yeah. Convectrix is stupid fun

[fierce lark]

it's an okay beam weapon with high crit damage and status chance, low-ish crit chance, and has an augment that makes it only consume ammo when it actually lands a shot

[floral sky]

Would it be good on oberon

Or does it need synergies

[fierce lark]

not great at higher level content from what i've heard but it is great for low level brain off dakka

[trim hill]

If running on high-level stuff, it pretty much needs debilitate

Otherwise, yeah, it kinda struggles

[fierce lark]

if it needs debilitate then it's completely doomed

[floral sky]

Tbf im mostly waiting for torid and toxocyst circuit week

[trim hill]

281 electric proccs later

[fierce lark]

i feel like i might be beating a dead horse but the whole "debilitate doesn't work on beams" thing

[fierce lark]

you get this by modding electricity

[sterile flume]

whats the difference between the +15 ablity str on the topaz archon versus the red archon

[fierce lark]

if you mod corrosive, what's gonna happen is the theorized 50+ debilitate procs per second is only gonna be ~15

[trim hill]

Don't mod corrosive

[fierce lark]

debilitate can only trigger once per damage instance

meaning it can't use multishot on beam weapons, and it can't use status chances higher than 100% even if the shot triggers multiple statuses

[floral sky]

Is debilitate good on smth like the kuva kohm or will blight be better on everyone

[fierce lark]

crux is better

if it's a weapon that wants statuses, crux is just better

[gaunt sapphire]

please send some frost snow globe builds

[trim hill]

Crux doesn't give you more gunco

[floral sky]

So blight would rlly only be for saryn or smth. For the kohm

[gaunt sapphire]

the only builds i can find on overframe are years old

[fierce lark]

if you're gonna make the gunco argument you get more damage out of deadhead

and deadhead is really easy to benefit from and maintain with beams

[gaunt sapphire]

and overframe is kinda buns to begin with

[compact cypress]

i think warframeflo did a vid on frost recently try checking that out

[floral sky]

You can change it to latest wether theyre good or not idk

[gaunt sapphire]

theres no snow globe build in that

[trim hill]

Deadhead doesn't always procc on DOT kills, tho?

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont trust overframe, all the newer builds are buns for snow globe

[floral sky]

I dont use snow globe so wouldnt know tbh

[fierce lark]

they can with electricity

[hybrid bolt]

need a latron prime build

[fierce lark]

and electricity procs double dip deadhead lol

(as do gas)

double dip headshot bonuses rather*

[floral sky]

Random ah question but does anyone know where you find the cat you can put the cats eye mod on for mesa

[trim hill]

If I'm running gas + rad + magnetic, how often will it be the electric procc killing an enemy with a headshot? Perhaps often enough, but I'm modding against that

[fierce lark]

it's a kavat, you get it randomly through breeding

or guaranteed if you buy imprints off of players

[hybrid bolt]

anyone got a latron prime build??

[floral sky]

Ah i only have dogs i havent done much with theanimals

[fierce lark]

you need 10 kavat genetic codes you get from scanning kavats (found on deimos, infested derelict tileset) and an incubator core

[tall orchid]

Hi! Can anyone shsre a saryn build with me?

[fierce lark]

you don't, you mod for elements that aren't dogwater

[tranquil plover]

What ability do people usually subsume over on inaros

[fierce lark]

radiation is ass, gas on beam weapons is also ass

[floral sky]

Radiation is good for the daily or weekly challenge to get radiation kills 😂

Is it good to have on a companion primer tho

[tranquil plover]

radiation is the best status fr tho

[fierce lark]

pocket sand

[daring tundra]

that means the priming is good not that the status is good

[fierce lark]

you can subsume over 3 if you're doing endurance persistence and have external armor sources

[floral sky]

Bruh this game has so many systems

[daring tundra]

it does though that also means you have more freedom to create what you want

[fierce lark]

if it's meant to be a CO primer then yes, it's an extra status you can get for only 1 mod slot

[zealous rapids]

de reworked blast to be useful, maybe we will see radiation rework one day

[floral sky]

Tbf i just have a diriga with as many status mods as possible

[fierce lark]

radiation status is like

twofold useless, it's actually impressive

the damage type is weak against the most common faction in the game

[tranquil plover]

does anyone have the exact data on how arcane persistence works?

[daring tundra]

they did try to make it somewhat more usefull with arcane universal fall out and secondary irradiate

[fierce lark]

and the status itself just makes them shoot at whatever they feel like

they can still shoot you lol

[fierce lark]

i believe once you start taking damage, a 1 second timer starts in which you cannot take more than 500 damage total

[floral sky]

On the wiki it just says what iy says in game if you have 700 armor you dont take 500 damage hits

[tranquil plover]

ah, so it doesnt scale damage by percentage

[fierce lark]

nope it's just 500 damage per second

[floral sky]

Is this an old wiki or smth doesnt seem as detailed

[fierce lark]

no? it's damage/s, not damage per hit

[tranquil plover]

I thought it was like old boss dr where it scaled damage down to a certain point

[fierce lark]

what it says there is accurate and lines up with what it says in game

[neat dagger]

what are the neatnest/funnist ways to display mod configs

[floral sky]

So if your taking dot it stops the damage at 500 or smth?

Or does it mesn you cant take a hit for 500

[zealous rapids]

it means you can't lose more than 500 hp per second

[fierce lark]

yes, all damage (except a couple niche cases) is capped at 500 per second

if you've taken 500 damage within a one-second timeframe, you can no longer take damage until that frame has passed

[gray garden]

HIHI

[compact cypress]

whats a better elemental combo between viral/elec and viral/heat? ive seen a lot of overframe builds running viral elec or even just elec recently

[floral sky]

But you can get hit for more 500 if its a hit that does say 700 does that not make it worse than othet arcanes later game

[daring tundra]

wouldnt that only be on melee?

[fierce lark]

if you get hit by a levelcap kuva bombard, a shot that would do millions of damage, you will lose 500hp

[zealous rapids]

some guns need so many mods you don't have space for viral

[compact cypress]

this torxica build im looking at uses viral elec, also a dual toxocyst build uses pure elec

[fierce lark]

dtox uses pure elec because it's innate toxin combines to make corrosive

it's a raw damage head-seeking ricochet handcannon

[compact cypress]

ah makes sense now i just look like i dont read... i dont

[gleaming oasis]

how's this as a start for an umbra build?

[zealous rapids]

if you plan to use exalted blade, chromatic blade is a must

[fierce lark]

elec is a more versatile element than heat, it does more upfront damage (first tick goes off instantly instead of after 1s), has a small aoe, and the dot can headshot allowing it to trigger and benefit from deadhead

heat is better for armored targets, targets that live awhile (demolishers/thrax), and you need heat to trigger cascadia flare

[compact cypress]

so it'll be interchangable depending on what content im playing for the most part

[floral sky]

Would heat be useless on my burston if i use an armor strip abiity then like oberons

[fierce lark]

heat also allows you to build with both primed elemental mods via corrosive heat, preferred if you're doing a grineer mission without armor strip or if you have external viral

[floral sky]

Well other thsn its inate heat

[fierce lark]

it's interchangeable, i keep viral heat flare but you can do viral elec deadhead and it's probably just as good

[floral sky]

Cause i use heat and viral on my burston

[gleaming oasis]

here is the current in progress blade build

[compact cypress]

corrosive heat forever has my heart lol

[fierce lark]

burston is usually building pure viral

burston is also so strong you can actually build whatever you want on it

[late hemlock]

drop the slash stuff, use pure electric and influence

as for your excal you dont have any way to maintain energy with that setup

[fierce lark]

stacking 3 different sources of crit chance is normally not a good idea but burston has so much damage output, incarnon form still chainsaws everything and adding all the crit mods ever lets me 1shot things with incarnoff

[zealous rapids]

carnis, rending, jagged, all will be useless once you put chromatic blade on your excal, but it will be a lot stronger

[fierce lark]

it's both fun and functional

[gleaming oasis]

I assume I want the element of chromatic blade to be elec?

[late hemlock]

yes

[fierce lark]

yep

[gleaming oasis]

what are the swaps for better energy mamgement

[zealous rapids]

if you go for influense arcane - yes, i use toxin for my heavy spam build tho

[fierce lark]

slopfluence exalted blade

also sac steel and the slash mods are bad

[gleaming oasis]

and mor eelc on the blade thats not shocking touch

[zealous rapids]

you need crit damage mods

[gleaming oasis]

sicse thats a given and the 60 60 is a baro exclusive

[fierce lark]

don't need more elec, shocking touch is enough

you get 440% status from weeping wounds at 12x combo, voltaic strike sucks

[idle swan]

How big of a dps increase is primed shred over the burston fire rate specific mod?

[zealous rapids]

don't you get tons of status chance just from chromatic blade?

[gleaming oasis]

well that adds another polarity

[late hemlock]

decrease in dps, but you get punch through

[fierce lark]

basically 2x if there's ever an enemy behind your enemy

otherwise it's a slight loss

but also it's better incarnon ammo economy

[vague jolt]

Does anyone have an acceltra prime build?

[idle swan]

Makes sense

[fierce lark]

also the locked punch through incarnon form in the stats screen is a lie

[gleaming oasis]

give me a second

[idle swan]

On the topic of acceltra, is it just me or does it always feel lacking compared to other weapons?

[hybrid bolt]

man i need a full investment build for latron

[fierce lark]

acceltra is a strugglebus

[idle swan]

Is the multi shot locked?

[gleaming oasis]

https://overframe.gg/build/949375/acceltra-prime/super-acceltra-piss/

[fierce lark]

it is for me because i have acuity equipped

acuity locks the weapon to base multishot

[undone dust]

im gonna lock you to base multishot

[idle swan]

Oh forgot it did that, I also have it on

[fierce lark]

[compact cypress]

anything to change on the arca titron?

[fierce lark]

ive tried it with and without acuity

chamber build charges incarnon much faster and feels better overall

acuity build 1taps things without even needing to go into incarnon and is fun in its own way

[idle swan]

Also pretty sure it’s much higher dmg if you hit your shots

[fierce lark]

acuity vs non-acuity is always higher damage on headshots iirc yeah

like regardless of context

[gleaming oasis]

these are the new in progress. what's the next step for these for energy consumption? I assume equilibrium

[fierce lark]

even status weapons that would want multishot will benefit bc status damage takes into your headshot and crit multipliers

[zealous rapids]

acuity daikyu was fun

[fierce lark]

i do not like acuity daikyu

if you miss the head it does about as much damage as the mk1 paris you picked up in vor's prize

that being said

it's fun for 1tapping acolytes

[zealous rapids]

I was shooting with ivara at point blank range

[vague jolt]

Does anyone have a fang prime build?

[fierce lark]

fang.png

[late hemlock]

state of melee

[gleaming oasis]

so how is this adjusted for umbra blade?

[fierce lark]

it's not

lmao

maybe umbra blade doesn't need reach because of the waves?

if you subsumed warcry you don't need fury

[trim hill]

Hate this, lol

Wouldn't Fang at least be a good candidate for Doughty?

[fierce lark]

im building up hopium that they'll at least mention influence in the devstream

[late hemlock]

if you are going full umbral might as well try health tanking, otherwise dont bother using 3 entire mods just to get some more ability strength

atm you have no real direction in survivability

if they nerf influence they just kill melee

[trim hill]

Inb4 influence now only works to spread physical damage types instead of elemental (still triggered by electric procc)

[fierce lark]

do you think making the player the point of contact would kill influence

[fierce lark]

did you miss 2024 glaive prime meta?

cause if you do that i promise it's coming back

[undone dust]

nerf influence to 1 meter and make exposure give 1000% corrosive damage

[trim hill]

It kinda never left? Wym?

[fierce lark]

there's like

at least 3 glaives that are better than glaive p (and exponentially easier to get)

[undone dust]

glaive prime kinda buns compared to the rest

[trim hill]

At least glaives as a melee type, not just prime tbf

[late hemlock]

they already shadow nerfed xoris

[fierce lark]

no when i say glaive prime i mean literally the weapon, glaive prime

[undone dust]

how so..

[late hemlock]

the rest are on the way!

[late hemlock]

latest hotfix killed its stats

[undone dust]

oh shit

[late hemlock]

definitely a bug

[trim hill]

That's okay, I don't use thrown melees at all

[late hemlock]

but it is funny

[fierce lark]

tbh

im inclined to think glaive prime's popularity was only because of armor pre-jade shadows

[trim hill]

100%

[late hemlock]

glaive doing forced slash was stupid

[fierce lark]

and it will probably never come back into mainstream use

[trim hill]

Slash was way more valuable back in the gap

[fierce lark]

slash kinda just sucks now

compared to other statuses

[undone dust]

which sucks because i enjoy garuda sobek

[gleaming oasis]

so what's the best solution if maxing out on ability strength isn't the way to go

[late hemlock]

returning to play the game with old peace it was shocking to see that slash fell off so hard

[fierce lark]

weaker base damage and it doesn't scale off your elements

literally was just giga carried by armor

[trim hill]

Yeah, there's like maybe 3 total builds that can use slash effectively, lol

[fierce lark]

one of those being harmony because it forces slash and expedites for 1shots

[gleaming oasis]

currently working towards the 2 bil slash build

[trim hill]

Expedites being one of the main reasons to run slash at all, but it also works with heat and toxin

Speaking outside of just Harmony, that is

[fierce lark]

it works with everything but scythe heavy attacks force a slash proc and lifted, so you can run it with afflictions to get guaranteed insane slash procs

[floral sky]

Xoris

[fierce lark]

xoris, falcor, coda pathocyst

[undone dust]

kestrel prime is kind of goated honestly

[floral sky]

I like xoris looks like a energy disc

[idle swan]

Who is sickening pulse good on?

[undone dust]

lavos

[fierce lark]

lavos lol

[undone dust]

isnt that literally it

[zealous rapids]

koumei too maybe

[idle swan]

0.1 sec reaction time dawg wtf

[fierce lark]

yeah sickening pulse is pretty niche

[idle swan]

I’m pretty sure I saw your reply pop up even before I sent that😭

[undone dust]

i wonder how it feels on citrine

[zealous rapids]

also, maybe on voruna

[undone dust]

brain peak..

[fierce lark]

the easiest way to apply new statuses is usually the same way you applied the old statuses

[late hemlock]

getting big stats can be funny but you have to actually consider how the rest of your kit balances out, you have no surivability and no efficiency atm because you just wanted to see a big strength stat

you can keep the setup and swap the arcanes for blessing and persistence which will make health tanking reasonable, then you can get equilibrium over augur secrets and primed continuity over transient fortitude

im assuming here that you will subsume wrathful advance subsume so the duration helps both that and exalted blade drain at the same time

[trim hill]

I like running Sickening Pulse on Koumei

[zealous rapids]

telepathy over ethernet ™

[trim hill]

I think at one point I even considered running it on Inaros for the memes, lol

[fierce lark]

could run it on koumei over her 4 but koumei is kinda just there

[gleaming oasis]

I aint even close to getting kullervo

[fierce lark]

the 13 statuses coming from every wall of threads is more impetus fodder than anything

[trim hill]

I run it over her 1, meself. I like her 4 too much

[fierce lark]

i'll try a strength koumei for the funny one of these days

doing an ability damage build and not having her 1 seems like it defeats the purpose

[late hemlock]

you can subsume nourish for now then ig it will help with energy econ, or gloom which will make you immortal with persistence

wrathful is definitely something to strive for, just stupid crit buffs

[gleaming oasis]

ok listen I just came off of finishing a mesa prime build and I still dont have enough experience to know how to properly balance. It was a first try

[trim hill]

Her 4 just catches everything you can see in front of you. With grouping, yeah, her 1 is better. I don't tend to run grouping, tho

[gleaming oasis]

I dont have either of those

[late hemlock]

didnt mean to come off too critical, its good that you are experimenting

but just try to keep in mind the big picture instead of tunnel vision on a stat

[gleaming oasis]

its all good.

[late hemlock]

also you can swap out power drift for warrior's rest if you want umbra to stop acting on his own

[fierce lark]

i would've expected the opposite to be the case, 4 looks better with grouping, 1 has a lot more reach

[gleaming oasis]

only recently have I been looking into steel path/end game builds

[trim hill]

1 is just a straight line ahead, iirc. Her 4 is a massive cone

[undone dust]

@fierce lark hey sexy can you think of any forms of consistent lifting that aren't abilities
i had a thought when i was at work and i want to mess around with it later

[late hemlock]

some melee stances got a lift effect

but its probably gonna be hard to make use of it

[fierce lark]

it shoots the little star in a straight line forward but the threads expand a massive area around it

whereas bunraku is just a 30m cone in front of her, or a radius around her if you land 666

[undone dust]

prismatic gem's sc and sd buffs apply to pyro andi wanted to kind of mess with that idea
i probably dont actually need lifting if i run arachne/vig swap and have inherit priming anyway but it might be funny

[fierce lark]

actually it's not quite a radius around lol i think it's 170 degrees both directions, so enemies directly to her left/right won't be affected

[trim hill]

Enemies have to pass through her 1's threads to take damage, so ideally you want grouping to use her 1 as a dmg ability. Forcibly group them through the threads

4 is hard CC, so it just front-loads its effects

[fierce lark]

nautilus coming in

[trim hill]

More like "not"ilus

[fierce lark]

build 300 str subsume airburst over 4

actually 280 range airburst koumei sounds hilarious

[mighty flare]

telos boltace lifts on 6s cooldown

[undone dust]

this is why i love you

[fierce lark]

coiling viper whip stance lifts on forward combo

makes 12x afflictions whips a thing

[mighty flare]

i have soft spot for telos boltace, still use it occassionally even after getting praedos

[undone dust]

i honestly forgot it existed

[trim hill]

I saw somewhere on YT you cast her 1 down a hall, and then use Pull to send enemies through a bug zapper

I guess because Pull isn't a radial grouping ability, you won't have "stragglers"

[mighty flare]

its fun, gas afflictions was funny on it

[celest thicket]

is it worth it stacking multishot on shotguns ?

i always feel like my shotguns not named strun dont do much

[fierce lark]

depends what you mean by stacking

[celest thicket]

i mean , overcharge and hell chamber

[fierce lark]

you build them the same way you would any other gun

if a shotgun has an innate multishot of 12, doubling it will still make it 24, same as it would double a rifle's innate from 1 to 2

if anything multishot is slightly more valuable on shotguns as they tend to have above avg status output due to it being per-pellet

[gleaming oasis]

so trying to wrap this up as fast as possible this would be the geneic melee build give and take a few adjustments for the specifics and beams

[trim hill]

What element are you influencing?

[gleaming oasis]

elec

[fierce lark]

organ shatter would normally be reach, but if you're wanting to keep the umbral slot then yeah you'd need some sort of crit damage source

and reach probably isn't ultra necessary on umbral blade

[undone dust]

do you know if the gas proc(s) from truth are affected by the sc and sd bonuses from prismatic?

[fierce lark]

if the light attack shoots waves like i remember it's probably not even that useful

[gleaming oasis]

I know there was discussuion possibly replacing reach with something else since it has the blade beams

[fierce lark]

yeah

[undone dust]

heavy attack has a fat damage wave now so that's all i really see spammed on exalted blade now tbh

[trim hill]

Idk how good a pure elec influence EB is, but are you running Chromatic Blade?

[gleaming oasis]

so this should be fine then right?

[fierce lark]

you don't usually build secondary elements with influence, you keep it pure elec to maximize influence uptime and the damage of the actual electric dot

[trim hill]

Who's "you"?

[fierce lark]

the theoretical person building their weapon

[undone dust]

people arent real

[gleaming oasis]

me I guess

[fierce lark]

that's why it's a theoretical person

[trim hill]

Gas + Elec EB works great, no?

[fierce lark]

eh doubt

[celest thicket]

i truly dont know what to use on the last slot, any idea ?

[fierce lark]

gas is great when it doesn't take up mod slots

(lavos)

or when you're forced to mod it because ceramic dagger incarnon has innate heat lmao

[celest thicket]

i dont have primed shotgun mods because i never really used them before

[trim hill]

If running Chromatic, then you can run electric on Excal's emissive. And you can drop organ shatter + touch for gas mods, then sac steel for galv steel

[gleaming oasis]

would'nt it require the shocking touch to prok influ? just making sure since that what the melee.png shows

[fierce lark]

not if the weapon is innate elec

which is what chromatic blade is for

[gleaming oasis]

ooooohhhhhhhhhh

[mighty flare]

truth is a just guaranteed gas proc, so it prob works

[gleaming oasis]

what should the elec mod be replaced with more melee damage i assumeglad might seems to work then

[undone dust]

awesome sauce!!

[undone dust]

cant syndicate procs also proc an impetus stack?

[mighty flare]

idk never tried, should be easy to check

[fierce lark]

you could do all this if you wanted, it probably wouldn't downgrade the weapon all that much

i suppose the bigger issue is that you're lowering your elec weighting from 100% to 40%, and what you're gaining out of it is the chance to spread useless gas procs that won't do anything because the elec procs from influence already delete the room

[undone dust]

i'll definitely check when i get on, but i think the wiki mentions they do

[fierce lark]

like yeah, you can do gas influence if you want, im sure it's fine

but the only reason to do so would be because you want gas influence, not because it's better than just pure elec

[trim hill]

They linger, giving you passive income

[undone dust]

[fierce lark]

but exalted blade is not a passive playstyle, you're running around the room swinging a sword at everything in sight

[gleaming oasis]

eventually

[fierce lark]

it's not like you're playing lavos where you can hold 1+4 press 4 throw a glaive and vibe

[gleaming oasis]

so mod additional gas onto the blade then?

[trim hill]

No, I'm holding melee and swinging my camera wildly

[fierce lark]

if you want to do gas influence you'd drop the elec mod and organ shatter for it, or drop berserker fury and run arcane strike on your warframe

you need galvanized steel if you're dropping organ shatter though

[celest thicket]

sincerely dont see the point in using gas with excal, he has no way of grouping the enemies thus losing the literal best thing about gas

[gleaming oasis]

so keeping to pure elec then should shocking touch be dropped for something like gald might or keep it on for more

[celest thicket]

the lingering cloud after death

[fierce lark]

shotgun elementalist

im just gonna assume you don't own any galvanized mods

[fierce lark]

keep shocking touch

[gleaming oasis]

galv steel over sac steel eventually

[celest thicket]

only savvy, but it needs at least 6 status to be equal to cannonade

[fierce lark]

the reason shocking touch is there is because it acts as a separate multiplier for elec statuses

[celest thicket]

im still farming arbs for galv chamber

[fierce lark]

did you leave it at rank 5 or smth?

[celest thicket]

doesnt it add 40% direct damage per status ?

[fierce lark]

80%

[gleaming oasis]

so that should wrap up the blade. now the harder part. the frame

[fierce lark]

it's 40% per kill, up to 80

so when you kill 2 enemies you gain 2 stacks of galv savvy which is 80% per status

it also doesn't lock your fire rate, which is important when you're trying to do a blast build

[celest thicket]

that is true

[fierce lark]

on a related note, i would drop vigilante armaments for shotgun barrage

you're already gaining (presumably) 350% multishot from overcharge or w/e it is

60% from armament isn't adding much

even hell's chamber isn't adding that much relative

[gleaming oasis]

What I know:

• drop the ability strength mod
• add more survivability
• Equilibrium probably

[fierce lark]

do you intend on adding a subsume

like warcry, wrathful advance, roar or anything like that

[gleaming oasis]

I more than likely don't have the proper subsumes

[fierce lark]

warcry, wrathful advance, roar, lycath's hunt would all be good options

[gleaming oasis]

I dont have the nekros, kullervo, valkyr

[gleaming oasis]

I do have roar

[fierce lark]

roar is always good

[gleaming oasis]

I used it on mesa for a while

before swapping to elemental ward

cold of couse

[fierce lark]

can someone explain this fckin cold ward mesa thing to me

[gleaming oasis]

I think it was cold helps with increasing overall crit and reg damage

[celest thicket]

well.. forma here we go

[gleaming oasis]

sicne I dont have subs like nourish it helps to match that kind of damage the more popular build have with the use of blast elec regulators

[fierce lark]

blast elec regulators is a new one

[gleaming oasis]

its cool ngl

anyway back to umbra

[fierce lark]

truth be told, if you want to keep the triumbral mod set it's difficult to add other nicer things

[gleaming oasis]

I can swap them later

[fierce lark]

i would swap transient for primed/archon continuity, and find room for equilibrium and furious javelin

[gleaming oasis]

but until then they gave me the umbral slots so i'm using the umbral slots besides they do boost each other so it has that going for the time being

[fierce lark]

also you need to run warrior's rest in the exilus

so that umbra doesn't get himself killed while you're in operator

(he also disables your buffs i think any time you go operator)

[late hemlock]

p sure they fixed him canceling out abilities now

[fierce lark]

oh ok

[gleaming oasis]

we got 1 slot left

[late hemlock]

im using warrior rest atm but you can totally just change it to PSF or something

[fierce lark]

i thought the bigger reason was that he takes full damage when you're in operator and you can straight up die

[late hemlock]

only if you have his 4 out, warframes can die when they have channeled abilities on

[fierce lark]

yeah but they get 99% damage reduction or smth don't they

[late hemlock]

true for all frames but umbra moves around so he dies more easily than the others

90% iirc

[gleaming oasis]

so what should the last mod be? rolling guard, adapt, reach?

[late hemlock]

as far as furious javelin personally i dont like using it, the damage feels overkill and that also means you need to slot in casting speed and constantly upkeep the buff which i think is just god awful

that being said its just my preference and if someone can keep it up consistently furious javelin is super strong

[fiery perch]

What elements do yall put on uhh aoe weapons these days

[gleaming oasis]

what kind of aoe? pri, sec?

[fierce lark]

depends on the weapon

[fiery perch]

Specifically thinkin of tenet envoy and afentis, not particularly good status chance but gets the job done type joints

[fierce lark]

okay apparently if umbra dies in specter form he just stops and you can transference as normal

but if he doesn't die then whatever his health/shield is at the time of transference is what you will have

this looks jank

[fiery perch]

And akarius

[late hemlock]

been using warrior rest for so long i didnt remember

[gleaming oasis]

so keep rest then?

[fierce lark]

i would use it anyways just because it's power drift with a different upside

and im assuming you don't have primed sure footed

[gleaming oasis]

yeah I don't

hows this looking then

[fierce lark]

the only other thing you could really do here i think is swap the aura out for corrosive projection

because steel charge is additive melee damage and in the grand scheme of things is extremely minor

[gleaming oasis]

that'll be a last step. I like to get all the main slots done first then do the aura

[fierce lark]

you should typically do the opposite

since you can swap the aura polarity out for a different slot

[gleaming oasis]

I can see both ways

[fierce lark]

actually in this case i think you're screwed either way lol

[gleaming oasis]

so what would be the eventual replacements for the sac mods when I cross that bridge

[fierce lark]

umbra's innate polarities don't allow that build to happen without putting a forma over the aura, unlucky

[gleaming oasis]

just the glav versions

[fierce lark]

there's no galvanized warframe mods unfortunately

[gleaming oasis]

never noticed that

[fierce lark]

you can leave triumbral there, there is a persistence build with triumbral that can scale to levelcap, though it does require a healing mod on the umbral blade and very high combat uptime

[gleaming oasis]

what is like lifesteal?

[celest thicket]

talking about umbra, should i remove viral and go full elec ?

[fierce lark]

yeah something like this

or companion healing

[celest thicket]

healing return or life strike

[fierce lark]

(life strike would require discipline's merit tennokai mod)

[gleaming oasis]

might stick to companion healing. dont think heavy is good on exal blade

[celest thicket]

what ?

[late hemlock]

tennokais are heavies

[gleaming oasis]

oh yeah been a while since I've used tennokai

[fierce lark]

tennokai should go on every single light attack build

[near vortex]

furis

[gleaming oasis]

good thing merit was already in the blade build earlier

[celest thicket]

his heavy attack is literally one his best attack against hordes, because it doesnt decay per target like his normal attacks do

it does decay with distance, but not on target

[gleaming oasis]

so is the frame build good to go then?

[late hemlock]

if you do choose to go with furious javelin then you need some cast speed shards

[gleaming oasis]

what should be swapped out on the blade for life steal then?

[late hemlock]

his 3 is slow as hell

[fierce lark]

not that i've played umbra in any meaningful content but you can probably also just facetank without any innate healing and heal through hunter recovery on a companion

without persistence that is

that does require you to have a beast companion with built claws

[late hemlock]

definitely high investment compared to the original goal but it does work, been running persistence + blessing personally

can also run gloom and just not die as well but you lose wrathful so its sad

[fierce lark]

that's the hp and dr, where do you get healing from?

[olive wren]

help pls

[fierce lark]

they don't have kullervo anyway, though i also don't think they have gloom but who knows

[fierce lark]

left

[gleaming oasis]

havent gotten base seva yet

[fathom sky]

Right is useless

[fierce lark]

i got mine through circuit, iirc seva is one of the worst grinds in the game

[late hemlock]

yeah, just saying how i have been getting around Excalibur

they are missing quite a lot of pieces so its not easy to put together a fully fledged setup

[late hemlock]

i think i got mine through railjack? havent played in years but i have gloom unlocked in my subsumes and also a base seva in my arsenal so i guess i farmed 2

[fierce lark]

right is still equally useless

[fathom sky]

You posted that not even a minute ago and didn't bother reading my response.

[celest thicket]

as a railjack enjoyer, i literally sell his parts for credits now

[wanton coral]

The one on the right, with that -85.4 status chance on the Latron, is useless. That negative is a big problem.

[gleaming oasis]

so what would be better facetank or what we have already?

[frosty fjord]

seva isn’t in circuit so you have had to got it from either rj or buying

and in all fairness as bad as rj might be wasn’t that bad getting seva there alongside farming intrinsics

[abstract bison]

I got umbra to lvl cap cascade with just arcane circumvent for survivability, goated arcane everyone should use it

Persistence is kinda bugged rn where it doesn’t work sometimes if you’re not hosting the session

[celest thicket]

if you dont mind rolling everywhere of course

[gleaming oasis]

why is umbra the hardest thing I've modded for?

[abstract bison]

It’s way easier, it’s super fun

[gleaming oasis]

this feels cruel

[abstract bison]

If you roll through enemies two times with arcane circumvent you fully armor strip them

Two to three times

[celest thicket]

youre overthinking it, he is squishy so he needs to kill things faster or have sustain

[abstract bison]

You can also cancel your slash dash animation with the roll input

So you can do some silly movement tech with it

[celest thicket]

or i could just, landslide things to death

[fierce lark]

because he's stuck with these stupid umbra polarities for niche mods that aren't useful for any content where you'd be taking excalibur lol

[gleaming oasis]

if 1,400 is squishy wait until you see my mesa

[abstract bison]

Slash dash towards an overguarded eximus and then do the roll cancel to steal it

[celest thicket]

but seriously , i tried circumvent ,IMO it gets boring fast, even worse in high level where overguard disappears in a split second

it does feel better if you have rolling speed mods tho

[gleaming oasis]

so if we take out furious javelin what replaces it

[fierce lark]

circumvent is cool but i wouldn't want to use it for levelcap, you'd be rolling most of the time

[abstract bison]

Here’s the build i use in lvl cap cascade

But replace Arcane Expertise with Arcane Fury for more base damage on the melee

[celest thicket]

arcane strike is better than fury

[fierce lark]

why are you using a cosmetic aura lol

[abstract bison]

Lvl 1k is when they start to onetap the 10k overguard so at that point you just use it to gate your shieldgate lol

[floral sky]

Is crit damage or chance better

[fierce lark]

damage

[abstract bison]

Persistence sucks at cascade because of the magnetic procs

[fierce lark]

a 210% crit damage mod goes absolutely nuclear

[celest thicket]

galv reflex ? why do you need heavy efficiency ? or initial combo for that matter

[fierce lark]

yeah there's 2 different initial combo sources for a tennokai build, seems a little backwards

[abstract bison]

By 5% and fury is unconditional

[floral sky]

I rolled a new one with 182 percent crit and 146 multishot so idk if the multishot makes it better than the higher crit

[gleaming oasis]

so what should go as the jav aug replacement? blind rage?

[fierce lark]

you're using acuity right?

[fierce lark]

blind rage, transient fortitude, rolling guard/adaptation

[floral sky]

Usually yeah but idk if i removed acuity if the multishot would give bigger damage

[celest thicket]

brother attack speed is literally muliplicative damage, different from weapons melee doesnt use ammo, so there is no downside

[abstract bison]

Combo count scales your melee damage, and it allows us to do heavy spam with 6x

[fierce lark]

strength is only useful if you're playing a buff subsume

[gleaming oasis]

I think i'll take rolling guard for the survivability

now this is what we got

[abstract bison]

How is attack speed multiplicative damage? Are you alright?

Attack speed increases damage per second lol

[celest thicket]

why archon continuity ?

[gleaming oasis]

i dont have primed

[fierce lark]

but then why the tennokai mod & blood rush & galv elementalist

[celest thicket]

ah ok

[gleaming oasis]

they are the cheap mans primed

[olive wren]

left or right

[fierce lark]

i mean this answers itself lol cmon

if it says -crit chance and it doesn't say phenmor/felarx/laetum on it, it's probably bad

[celest thicket]

take the right one and youre good, i know you want that sweet negative cc

[abstract bison]

Blood rush makes it so we hit the desired crit tier with wrathful advance, the easy 6x combo with reflex + ready steel is qol for if you mess up the tennokai, building combo on exalted blade takes a while and it just helps that, the heavy spam is a versatile bonus to the playstyle