builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

roar over 1/2/4 depending on the build you want

1mil is a big number

[quiet laurel]

wrathful for melee, evade if you completely wanna turn off your brain, roar is a good choice cause it increases the true dmg from doom scythes

[floral sky]

Well its between 500 k to 1 mil usually but i have a hit a few 1 mil burst so far

[hollow scarab]

i do like turning off my brain and watching things die

[fierce lark]

if you want the primary specifically for quickly killing acolytes, daikyu with longbow sharpshot can do it with 1 headshot, nataruk gets pretty close, strun/phenmor/felarx/burston will all melt it in seconds

haven't used the latron or the sibaris but those can probably do it as well

[vernal cedar]

latron.. hmm...

[quiet laurel]

latron is THE acolyte killer

[floral sky]

Use the burston with crit mods its pretty good

Just for a basic solid primary im enjoying it

[quiet laurel]

I mean after attenuation changes a dedicated acolyte killer isnt as important anymore but the weapons that were good at it before are even better at it now

[fierce lark]

@quiet laurel someone just tested the dagath thing for me and said their galvs stack fine with the aug

[vernal cedar]

what abt the other superheavies like necramechs or babau?
or bosses, too, i guess

they are not dying instantly
i am displeased.

[hollow scarab]

gauss's gun, the despair incarnon and the hate

[quiet laurel]

maybe DE fixed it

[hollow scarab]

that what i use for accolytes

[quiet laurel]

or someone spread misinfo

[fierce lark]

i do not recommend the acceltra for acolytes

[hollow scarab]

no that one is for everything around them

the incarnoin despair and the hate are for the actual accolyte

[fierce lark]

or in general tbh xd

it runs out of ammo too easily

[hollow scarab]

really? i havent had that issue with vigilante supplies

always killing crowds and topping up

[fierce lark]

with enough buffs it kills fast enough that it can potentially avoid the ammo problems

but tha'ts kinda the problem, it requires a lot of external help

[hollow scarab]

i have that problem with the pistols tho

[frosty fjord]

latron kills em relatively quick too at least in my experiences

not insta but fast enough to me at least

[hollow scarab]

i just run it on uriel as my crowd clear weapon with a nice little boost from his sigl things 😅

wait so how does evade make dagath a no brain frame? i used to play cyte a lot and it didnt feel like a no brain ability

[floral sky]

Does anyone have a decent oberon build

[fierce lark]

makes the survivability part no brain

you're either invulnerable because you're in grave spirit

or you're invisible because you're in evade

but you're permanently untargetable by enemies more or less

quincy actually has to land headshots to keep it up, and if he loses it it goes on cooldown

dagath can always alternate between her two forms of "lol cant touch me" and the base duration should last

[quiet laurel]

you either are immortal from augment or invisible from evade during augment downtime

and if you build enough duration you have enough grave spirit duration for evade cooldown

[vernal cedar]

does this look ok, then?

[late hemlock]

Use vigilante supplies in exilus

[hollow scarab]

ah i see

[floral sky]

Are there any mods that increase hp other than vitality

[late hemlock]

Iirc not worth running anything else unless very niche build?

You can use arcane blessing if you need more hp for something

[floral sky]

Cause want to try arcane persistance on oberon but i need more than 500 hp

[fierce lark]

archon's hatred mods all give health i think?

[floral sky]

My oberon is like 455 probably 460 maxed

[fierce lark]

oh just nira's

you're gonna need a lot more than 500hp to get any use out of persistence

[late hemlock]

460 with vitality on? Something sounds weird here lol

[floral sky]

Im not sure you get how these tbh google says do a quest then archon hunt but it doesnt say what quest

[floral sky]

Thats without

I was just looking to see if i can get health without using it

[late hemlock]

Vitality is the best mod to increase hp, highest value

[floral sky]

Ican use arcane blessing but i need to fill a empty mod slot

[late hemlock]

The rest are dual stat things that give less hp

[floral sky]

Im using fibre and intensify so could add umbral vitality but it uses a lot of space

[fierce lark]

the quest is the new war im pretty sure

[floral sky]

Ive done all the main quest

Im in steelpath now

[limpid stump]

Does anyone by chance know if there is a site like Overframe that you could see the effects of your whole build instead of just your frame or weapons individually?

[quiet laurel]

underframe

[floral sky]

Is there any way to regenerate heslth fast enough to stay above 500 all the time pretty much im just rlly trying to think of how to make oberon so he cant die

[quiet laurel]

doesnt he have his passive for not dying

[floral sky]

Yh but i think he can still die with a big hit maybe?

If you combine the arcane that stops damage above 500 and can regen to 500 would he not be pretty much invincible

[limpid stump]

Are you just messing with me

[fierce lark]

no

underframe is real, it's a build calc

[quiet laurel]

its an actual site that dropped recently

has calcs for people who know ball

or wanna know ball

[hollow scarab]

is the aeolak good?

cuz im tryna find another assault rifle similar to that deadlock one that i can never remember how to spell it

like an AR that has an exploding alt fire thats good for higher level

or is it kinda just the deadlock one

[undone dust]

ambassador blows
aeolak is the real mans gun

tenet tetra, quellor, stahlta, and aeolak are all very good rifles with aoe alt fires

[floral sky]

How strong would arcane grace be with arcane persistance

[floral sky]

Yes imo its good enough

[quiet laurel]

you need ~13k health to have consistent immortality

with grace alone

[floral sky]

I will find a way

[hollow scarab]

tenet tetra is good?

[late hemlock]

You already heal a lot with Oberon 3 dont need grace that's overkill

[undone dust]

very good

[hollow scarab]

i have one and just have never really used it

[floral sky]

Nah its all good if he cant die he has nothing to worry about

[undone dust]

one of the highest base damaging rifles, alt fire is a bit ammo consuming but is still pretty good

this is totally unbiased btw it's not like its one of my favorite guns or anything

[floral sky]

There has to be a way to make him functionally immortal

[hollow scarab]

you wouldnt happen to have a good build for it i could steal for high level would you?

[undone dust]

not a proper one rn LMAO, i have a meme build for it
but i used this one for awhile and it was pretty solid
https://overframe.gg/build/520107/tenet-tetra/tetra-v171-electric-aoe-ricochets-trash-destroyer/

[hollow scarab]

noted, cuz im tryna make a steel path machine out of an assult rifle/auto rifle and while i like the reconifex cuz it is a lmg and lmgs are my baby i just can never really get to to be top tier

[astral tinsel]

Trumna (Prime)

The primary needs some help, but the alt-fire grenades are nuts

[undone dust]

this is true
overcharge on the alt fire is especially nuts

[foggy patrol]

Deez

[vocal vector]

whos the best frame for general melee usage? needs 1 slot for subsume as well

[late hemlock]

Kullervo is THE melee frame

Can get away with a lot of frames for melee though

[vocal vector]

why kullervo exactly? I was thinking of valkyr mainly, dont really know what the other ones do

[late hemlock]

Just the virtue of him having the original wrathful advance already sets him at a huge advantage since you get a ludicrous crit bonus for melees

[fathom sky]

Pretty much no one else buffs melee explicitly and Valkyr is pretty boring in that front

Literally just an attack speed boost

[vocal vector]

which ability can you drop on kullervo

[late hemlock]

What build are you trying to make

[vocal vector]

influence spinnerex

[proud anchor]

Storm of ukko

[vocal vector]

idk kullervos 2 and 3 felt boring af to use for me

his 4 as well but thats what i'd drop anyays

[astral tinsel]

Volt has speed

[vocal vector]

octavia has melee dmg as well

[fathom sky]

That's the last thing you care about on Octavia

[astral tinsel]

And electric status damage

[fathom sky]

Volt sure he works because Influence is also buffed with him

[vocal vector]

ye but hes not really a melee frame so eh

and id subsume his 1 on what im using anyways

[astral tinsel]

He's one of the better melee frames

[fathom sky]

My point exactly, almost no one is.

[charred gale]

especially with shock trooper and melee influence

absurd dmg

[vocal vector]

his 1 is his subsume tho, just put it on someone else

[fathom sky]

His subsume slot depends on the build, you'd drop 4 in this case for a Shock Trooper build

[late hemlock]

If you want to subsume something that isnt wrathful for a melee build then by default kullervo is the only frame to play to still have access to wrathful

[astral tinsel]

atp just use rawr or wrathful

[vocal vector]

why would I need wrathful advance?

[vocal vector]

no

[charred gale]

u need to use a subsume plus a mod

[late hemlock]

Because it is the most absurd melee buff in the game

[vocal vector]

its just a tp and an execute?

[fathom sky]

You didn't read the ability, it buffs melee CC

[charred gale]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[late hemlock]

[astral tinsel]

The whole point is that you get two good buffs and can put a third one over shield

[charred gale]

by a flat 300%

or 200 base?

[late hemlock]

200 for kullervo

[fathom sky]

200 base, nerfed to 100 on subsume, scales with str

[charred gale]

ok yeah that sounds about right

[late hemlock]

The fact that its flat is so stupid

[vocal vector]

it sucks to use I dont want it

[fathom sky]

Then use literally whoever.

Kullervo is the only frame that is explicitly a melee frame that doesn't have an Exalted that you'd just use over your regular melee

You'd just slap Roar/Nourish on whoever you want and go crazy.

[vocal vector]

well I cant just put volt 1 on anyone so

[astral tinsel]

Could even slap it on rhino

For shock trooper + full power roar

[vocal vector]

hmm can I use both volt 1 and saryns 1 augment at the same time?

[fathom sky]

Yes but for Saryn, Roar would just be stronger

[astral tinsel]

Venom dose is kinda bad

[vocal vector]

idk saryn could give electric, corrosive and toxin dmg at the same time

[vocal vector]

no bc u cant use influence then

[astral tinsel]

Why not

[fathom sky]

You can still use Influence because your melee should be modded for Elec anyway. Just that the buffs aren't as crazy

[vocal vector]

you cant mod it for elec tho?

[fathom sky]

...Mod what

[vocal vector]

spinnerex?

[fathom sky]

Oh wait right

You can, you just need to use three different slots for elements to mod out the Toxin

[astral tinsel]

Sounds like a waste

[late hemlock]

Do you know you can use the 1 without doing a heavy attack?

[fathom sky]

It would be

[vocal vector]

wdym

[late hemlock]

You can use kullervo one as just an instant teleport without targeting any enemy or making it do an attack

[fathom sky]

Just hold WA down and you teleport without the heavy attack

[late hemlock]

Better to invert it in settings

So its a tap

[vocal vector]

its duration is mid I dont wanna recast it constantly

thats just annoying to use

[late hemlock]

It has no cast time and good for movement anyways

But atp if you want something that has nothing to upkeep just play a health tank and hold E

[cursive gulch]

This is my uriel noctua build, gonna put on secondary encumber next adapter i get, having energy problems, what should i do? Thinking i could switch out equilibrium for streamline but idk

[floral sky]

Would this get me killed from having zero shields with persistance atm

[late hemlock]

Nah its fine, lots of heals

[rare lichen]

you could swap out vitality for energy nexus

[late hemlock]

Remove streamline use hunter adrenaline

[vocal vector]

could just use valkyr as well ig

ill prolly make a valkyr and subsume over her 4

[late hemlock]

Valkyr is a health tank yes

[rare lichen]

vitality on dante is not needed

[floral sky]

Cant dont have it yet

[cursive gulch]

I want vitality for double heat procs

[late hemlock]

Its a common reward from a low level cetus bounty go get it

Rage also works but its just a weaker version of the same mod

[cursive gulch]

Is the double heat procs unnecessary?

[vocal vector]

damn valkyr has 1k base armor? maybe ill put persistence on her then

[undone dust]

dante cant even proc heat

other than modded on noctua but its just unnecessary

[distant abyss]

What’re the best stats on grimoire rivens

[floral sky]

Tried it but didnt get too much from it due to his passive

[hollow scarab]

so the ambasador can be made good in both automatic and charge shots?

[cursive gulch]

I have heat on noctua

I'll get secondary encumber so i can just get even more status effects

[rare lichen]

it's more stronger using enervate, imo

[mighty pelican]

encumber should go much harder on the grimoire ball

[gaunt sapphire]

what do we think? i went for nourish for comfortability plus slight viral priming and augments are non negotiable

im considering going for overextended and removing carnis carapace + auger reach so that i can mod strength more

and also, it would really benefit my melee to do a different aura but idk

[hollow scarab]

does anyone have a good stalta build? mine is kinda bad

[late hemlock]

The mandatory is vile acceleration because base firerate is meh

Use galv aptitude because the weapon is multiplicative

Rest is standard

[undone turtle]

can someone send me a mandachord build spam crouch my user is JorhePrime

[hard dove]

Mult on aoe?

[late hemlock]

Not the aoe but the actual bullet of the alt fire is mult

Primary fire is also mult

[hard dove]

What a silly gun

[late hemlock]

Hitting the target with a direct hit of alt fire hits really damn hard yeah

[gaunt sapphire]

hey btw, if you like using frosts augments alot, melee careen solves almost all problems for icy avalanche and biting frost due to the fact that it ignores overguard afaik

[late hemlock]

You are comparing a room wide aoe to rolling on enemies?

[gaunt sapphire]

biting frost canr affect eximus units

not effectively anyways

[late hemlock]

Biting frost is not worth using unless breach surge

[gaunt sapphire]

and icy avalanche is useless if an eximus unit catches u on the low

[gaunt sapphire]

this is wrong, 200% cc without downsides is good no matter what

[undone dust]

ah yes overguard generation is useless

[late hemlock]

200% cc on who? Doesn't affect anyone that matters

[gaunt sapphire]

it does with melee careen

[late hemlock]

Any miniboss type enemy cant get 10 cold stacks

[gaunt sapphire]

he doesnt need the overguard imo

and it also devalues his 1 and 3

especially considering his 3 benefits from armor

[undone dust]

yeah so does icy avalanche

[late hemlock]

The only real use of his 1 is augment

His 3 is extremely niche and mission dependant

You get MORE armor by having overguard because you can use health conversion

[gaunt sapphire]

yes but its not needed

[undone dust]

and his 4 genuinely already devalues his 1

[gaunt sapphire]

no??

[late hemlock]

Yes...

[undone dust]

his 4 freezes and strips in a considerably larger area
his 1 just.. freezes

[gaunt sapphire]

yall do realize 1 casts instantly with natural talent

and can be used while aiming

[late hemlock]

Yes

Doesn't change anything

[gaunt sapphire]

his entire kit freezes

his 4 is also energy expensive

[late hemlock]

Yeah except his 4 does it no LOS 360 degrees and strips

[gaunt sapphire]

so then youd have to build for more energy

if you use arcane battery tho

[late hemlock]

Oh no building around his best ability

[gaunt sapphire]

im sorry i wanna use the other abilities and have fun

i dont have fun spamming 4

[undone dust]

frost and fun in the same sentence

[gaunt sapphire]

this is subjective

[late hemlock]

You can have fun however you like i said so from the very start

But his 4 is objectively the best part about him by FAR

[gaunt sapphire]

sure but atp dont play frost

its more like you enjoy styanax

[late hemlock]

Thats what I'm telling you lol

[gaunt sapphire]

uoure telling me not to play a frame i find fun

[late hemlock]

What does styanax have to do with it

[gaunt sapphire]

bro…

[undone dust]

the only similarities between the two is just overguard

[gaunt sapphire]

except frost is perfectly usable without overguard

hes fun without it aswell btw

[late hemlock]

You sent me a video to disprove your own point so not sure why do I even bother

[gaunt sapphire]

you watched it in 2x

and you admitted that too

i dont trust your opinion on that video i am sorry

[late terrace]

do i add more dr to trinty or do i jsut keep the invisiblity

[late hemlock]

"Admitted" like its a sin?

[gaunt sapphire]

uh no

[late hemlock]

Everything i said is still true about the video lol

[gaunt sapphire]

i think we took different things from the video

what i saw was that frost has an absurd amount of armor capability

and modding towards that is very fun

[crimson osprey]

hey, ive been using Voruna.. sometimes i notice a singular particualr enemy is highlighted orange- what does this mean ? i see nothing in tooltips

[late terrace]

i use my kavat to get more dr when ihave no health an it healths me with its damage if i use silva agius with aug thats 50% dr an from kavat thats 75% an then blessing is 75% an link redirects 75% damage then theres my armor with a passive energy heal as well

[undone dust]

do you have prey of dynar on?

[crimson osprey]

i tihnk so, yea

[undone dust]

the highlighted enemy is the prey target for the augment's effect

[crimson osprey]

oh damn, this whole time i thought i could merely go invis and kill anything which spreads it

these augments are clunky, i swear

[undone dust]

it still spreads without the highlighted target, it's just a larger range if it is the highlighted target

[crimson osprey]

weird, just let it spread that range without a particualr target too, shes already starved for slows and energy

slots*im tempted to take off ulfrens endurance for a flow or some type, primed or archon

[undone dust]

well the marked enemy dies quicker because they're also marked with a 50% damage vuln

[crimson osprey]

more energy, as is ulfrens cost 130, out of 150 or so

[undone dust]

i run 4 energy shards and 1 cast LMAO then equil instead of flow
she doesn't really need the stat boosts from shards

[crimson osprey]

lol currently i run a yellow shard for 75% energy orb effectiveness, and 2 purples

[undone dust]

let me peep the full build

[crimson osprey]

without flow i almost need ulfrens endurance because i dont have enough energy to recast.

this is such a weird frame to build, never had these issues

[storm knoll]

Does Melee Crescendo work with Secondary Outburst, Like even if i consume the 6x combo from secondary outburst i get it back bc of melle crescendo?

[undone dust]

you don't really need umbral intensify or aug secrets
you can drop adaptation as she is invis with her 1
you'd definitely want more range on her too

here's one i just snatched from a lovely individual that i know (this one does run 4 str shards and 1 cast)

[crimson osprey]

if i drop those then ulfrens is weaker and wont kill shit, it sort of kills now

i use adaptation so im not perpetually invis, as ive never been fond of that playstyle, though i do use it to set up- im coming from using ash prime heavily, needed a break of the invis loop

[undone dust]

you lose out on ulfrun damage if you're not using her invis

[crimson osprey]

yea, but all that costs energy i dont have, and its incredibly clunky

[undone dust]

she's a high investment frame so if you don't really have the resources for her then i wouldn't recommend her

[crimson osprey]

its not resources i dont have, im at the endgame of this game, she jsut requires weird investment to be, what feels to be mediorce and other frames do it better

[undone dust]

you just need to heavily tweak your build because it is absolutely everywhere

[crimson osprey]

i put on ability damge to her abilites deal more damage, though i suppose im priumarily trying to kill using ulfrens

[undone dust]

you also aren't really using her full kit like you should be

[crimson osprey]

tbh it feels liek her kits a bit of a mess. currently i need to cast 1, 2 and 4 kill in 4 toi keep charges, but the energy use and energy max jsut isnt there to really supply that loop?

ill try your build you posted though im always open, when frames just arent performing too well

nvm i dont like the mecha nonsense

[undone dust]

you can swap empowered for corro projection and pulse for more range or strength

[crimson osprey]

i thought strength wasnt really viable for my build? didnt you suggest i ditch both?

i feel compelled to say this- im not trying to argue, just understand

[crimson osprey]

so how does this build work? less ability strength?

[undone dust]

mod wise yes
arcanes are where you get the rest of the strength you'd need/want

[crimson osprey]

i dont have impetus sadly

[undone dust]

impetus would also alleviate some of the energy issues via the efficiency it gives you

[undone dust]

well good thing the 1999 arcanes are easy to farm

[crimson osprey]

is it good? 6% ability str and 3% efficiency reads like a total stinker of an arcane

[red moat]

How does one make use of Arcane escapist?

[crimson osprey]

oh i guess it stacks

[fierce lark]

it's 6% str and 3% efficiency per unique status effect you apply with abilities

raksh applies every single status effect other than the unique ones, so that's 13 impetus stacks

and it resets timer every time you deal ability damage

[crimson osprey]

sweet

[undone dust]

78% str and 39% eff basically

[fierce lark]

granted it's random so stacking it might take awhile, but once you get there, you're there so long as you have an enemy to hit every 20s

[undone dust]

companions can also occasionally help stack/upkeep it

[crimson osprey]

neat

so whats Vorunas loop?

[undone dust]

3 or 1 first (3 should stay active at all times as long as you're getting kills), then just start hitting 2 on prey marked enemies or hit them with 2 once or twice to prime then hit with ulfruns

you can just only use 2 for nuking if you use roar over ulfruns though

[crimson osprey]

hmm

hows her survival? can you still melee and shoot in relative safely? minus arcane guardian and adaptartoip

[patent fern]

working on my latron now that i have its incarnon form but idk what to do to make it better since the riven is giving me so much already

[coral crest]

Equilibrium solves it. Invis drops with melee hits but melee kills give you orbs and extend the buff

[undone dust]

invis and her status immune passive

[coral crest]

You're hopping in an out with melee

You're not leaving it at all with 4

She can even run as a persistence tank

Since she basically never runs out of health conversion/heal on kill and has a panic invis

• status immunity

[undone dust]

she is really easy to survive with

[coral crest]

As a caster you have zero worries, as a melee you have some spam to do but not a big deal

[undone dust]

honestly ive never thought of this tbh
especially if you go mecha still since pulse gives extra armor if you somehow have conversion downtime

[coral crest]

Yep, she's extremely good for persistence

Basically covers all possible holes it might have

[undone dust]

i may have to try this

[coral crest]

From status immunity

To being able to jump Violence with invis

[undone dust]

does fangs or ulfruns actually kill violence?

[coral crest]

No

Her caster playstyle won't do shit against bosses or acolytes

[undone dust]

classic slam solution!!

[coral crest]

That's why you should

Enable 1 and

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-hat-baseball-bat-gif-25723238

[undone dust]

i wish the slash from her 1 actually worked on slams

[coral crest]

Harmony heavy is probably the best possible explosion from this

[undone dust]

not like it matters when you still get flat cc and cd

[undone dust]

truth! (or just run magi like a nerd)

[coral crest]

Or Stropha if you're going for a dramatic shot in the back of the head

[undone dust]

only bummer is the flat cc might shaft duplicate on harmony since afflictions wont work on acolytes

so you're kind of relegated to exposure which is fine

[coral crest]

You can prime with 2 without breaking invis as well (I think)

Status capped, but condition overload doesn't care

They feel something sting, and then they blow up

[undone dust]

harmony's passive also just does not care
i love expedite suffering built into my melee!!

[undone dust]

it breaks invis for like a second then puts you back in

[coral crest]

Oh yeah

Forgot it does that for both 2 and 4

So not an option, not like you really need it

Just a good flat cc melee hit

[undone dust]

both the cc and cd affect the slash and it is hilarious

[coral crest]

Pretty much a perfectly functioning persistence Voruna, and she doesn't even fear violence

Isn't that lovely

[near vortex]

Violence when he spawns in (12x Limbo Falcor explosion)

[undone dust]

yeah im definitely gonna have to mess with it, her base hp isnt even that bad either but you'd still need a little boost

[coral crest]

They should replace destreza on Violence with Falcor for biblically accurate limbo

Since he already comes with a silence subsume

[near vortex]

people subsume Silence on Limbo as if stripping OG in this economy is impossible

[coral crest]

Idk I started using limbo and thought "would be cool to mess with extra damage Pyrotechnics"

Then realized that surge into hold cast banish is a thing

[near vortex]

Null stars

[coral crest]

And figured that there's not yet room for subsuming on the learning path

[fierce lark]

it's so cool that all two limbo players talk in the same server!

[coral crest]

You should see SciFi's discord

It would have whole 3 people

That don't include me

[undone dust]

destreza my favorite rhino weapon!!

[near vortex]

There's a lot more than you might expect

[coral crest]

I mostly play Lavos and Garuda anyway

[undone dust]

garuda sobek my beloved

[coral crest]

After much weapon searching for Garuda I have found two lovely weapons that stuck in the arsenal

Quellor and Strun

[near vortex]

Garuda speed tech melee?

[undone dust]

quellor is pretty peak..

[fierce lark]

wow im boring

[coral crest]

NoisuckatitandIdon'tneedmoredamagesoIsubsumedvialrush

But don't tell anyone

Actually yes tell everyone

[patent fern]

help would be appreciated

[near vortex]

There's probably a lot more Limbo players now that the New Testament is out and people learned he's a loot frame

[coral crest]

For Strun it's the base multishot evo that resets on reload

Garuda's 3 augment bypasses the reset

[near vortex]

An 8th mod, probably

[coral crest]

For Quellor it's 3 augment again

But with primary plated rounds

[patent fern]

yes, which mod(s) would be good is my point

[fierce lark]

doesn't the latron have an augment?

[coral crest]

So you get 10 seconds of doom

[near vortex]

Double Tap

[fierce lark]

or am i thinking of the sibaris

[near vortex]

Latron has double tap, if you can find that you can slot it

[patent fern]

can i use that with my build?

or swap out any mods i have on already

and also do i even benefit from having that much crit 😭 mf red crits normally now but i still feel like it could get stronger

[coral crest]

600% serration buff, with a multico alt fire

Could probably squeeze out even more with something like a magazine capacity riven

[fierce lark]

radiation mod is pretty bad, let me actually look

[patent fern]

that was a filler mod for extra damage until i can forma it properly

the riven comes with heat so i was thinking of going heat and corrosive or viral if i can

i am also working towards a 52% electric sobek rn

[fierce lark]

im not entirely certain about the latron specifically but

cannonade tends to be bad in general, attack speed is good for dps

and you're stacking it on top of 2 other base damage sources, making it extra shit

[patent fern]

the base latron is just to smack headshots so i can use incarnon form so the fire rate being locked with cannonade isnt all that bad, especially since im doing like 300k with the base latron prime on the low end

not even yellow im only seeing orange and red numbers

[manic linden]

I go heavy into my heavy attacks on my exalted blade it destroys crowds of enemies at level 70 or below

[patent fern]

corrosive is electric + toxic right? or am i tweaking

[fierce lark]

ya

[patent fern]

can i not make corrosive with heat on my gun already if i put electric and toxic mods on

[fierce lark]

you can

[patent fern]

it wont change

wait wrong screenshot

ok there we go im stupid

build so far

[patent fern]

it wasnt the wrong screenshot i was 100% sure that infected clip was electric 😭 forgive me

[near vortex]

It's pretty good, it takes away the minus fire rate from crit delay and gives good stats

Especially if you don't care about the fire rate

[patent fern]

fire rate isnt bad, it being slower lets me worry less about recoil and more on just landing headshots

i wish i could lessen the zoom though, only way to do that rn is sacrifice the extra mag size for less zoom on its incarnon upgrade

[fierce lark]

yeah i would just replace cannonade with double tap and offset fire rate to reinforced bond

if you dont have an external fire rate option then maybe drop gaptitude, you just really don't want 3 separate sources of base damage

[patent fern]

i have reinforced bond on my panzer now that i think about it

[fierce lark]

if you have rbond on a companion already (as i did the same no-thought panzer build for years) then yeah cannonade is essentially reading as -40% fire rate at best

[patent fern]

would i benefit that much more from the extra fire rate and the augment mod?

i don't wanna go too big on the latron since the riven lets me get way more damage than needed with everything else considered and i want to save up for my sobek once that damn lich dies

52% electric and corrosive is CALLING my name on saryn but i regret not going heat

[fierce lark]

the augment might be trash in practice tbh, i really can't speak on it

has to be something you see for yourself

what i can see from it is it's up to 400% multiplicative damage if you can land a shot every 2s

[patent fern]

unless electric works better on that gun idk

[celest thicket]

Why does embedded catalyzer exist? (90% status chance while aiming after ability cast)

Like, sure shot costs 2 capacity less for the same 90 status chance but unconditional, if embedded was a exilus slot i could understand but...what..

[patent fern]

when you put it that way it sounds a lot more promising

[fierce lark]

same reason bladed rounds exists

[patent fern]

40 PLAT FOR THE MOD 😭

[fierce lark]

if you have sure shot or galvanized shot slotted and want even more status chance

it's probably not that ridiculous for a priming setup, and it's also a pretty old mod

[patent fern]

thats my r0 primed flow sale gone

[fierce lark]

again, it's possible that the mod is trash, i haven't used the latron yet (im actually building mine this week for EDA) so i would wait for someone who's actually used it to give some feedback on the augment

[patent fern]

gotcha

[celest thicket]

Imagine my face when i saw the price for Leaded Gas, like the weapon is not even popular but lo and behold, nightwave mod that did not come back

Just because i was taking a break at the time

[patent fern]

would you be able to give me advice on what to do with my sobek? Currently trying to kill the lich and i (unless mistaken) believe that 52% is insanely high for elemental bonus so im excited to try it out considering the hype it has with saryn AND its augment mod

[patent fern]

oh yeah the nightwave mods go crazy

[coral crest]

You should see Biotic Rounds

[patent fern]

forgot how important they were to some peoples builds

[fierce lark]

52% is a good roll, though the sobek doesn't really care that much aobut its valence element

and electricity is not a good element for saryn

or anyone tbh

[patent fern]

wouldnt that be good since i can make it corrosive? or does corrosive not stack if i have it on the weapon and with saryn's augment mod that gives me more

[celest thicket]

I remember seeing someone on trade chat trying to buy for 100p, gonna check on the market

[coral crest]

[celest thicket]

K 160

[fierce lark]

biotic was 250-300 last i saw lol

[coral crest]

Someone's undercutting hard

[celest thicket]

Its 160 right now in the market

[patent fern]

do kuva weapons have the same valence override mechanic that coda weapons have?

[coral crest]

Oh neat

[fierce lark]

yes

[coral crest]

The normal price is usually what Saryn said

[patent fern]

ah so im not all that cooked

[celest thicket]

There are some offline offers for 120p

[coral crest]

You should've seen the price of sentient surge before it got added to other rewards lmfao

It was like 500p at times

[patent fern]

man this kuva really makes me appreciate my codas, they were so nice and easy to kill

[celest thicket]

Anyway, expensive asf for a very mid weapon mod

Cool gimmick tho

[fierce lark]

when you're using the sobek with saryn, you're doing so for the purpose of spreading her toxic lash DoT with acid shells

this damage is only affected by elemental mods (2x for toxin mods), status damage, and faction damage

it doesn't care about anything else, including the valence element

what you want from a kuva sobek is cold. with cold, you can throw one toxin mod on the sobek to make viral, which is the most important element to have, and you can do whatever you want with the other slots

like this

[patent fern]

ah that's a bummer tbh i assumed it would just stack corrosive and let me do something like the archon shards and proc corrosive more than 10 times

too ambitious

[fierce lark]

it's definitely an idea, and corrosive is better against things that have armor technically

but saryn gets corrosive from venom dose, she doesn't need to mod for it

[patent fern]

since the valence wont matter much when i use it on saryn, would it still be somewhat useful to keep as electric so i can use it as corrosive on anyone else? or is the weapon only really strong because of saryn

or would i benefit from making it another element

[near vortex]

kuva Sobek has strong interactions with like 7 frames

magnetic is easy to slot, cold is good
You could also just do five forma and a vice

[patent fern]

what about the frame quincy is supposed to be

[fierce lark]

the frames that have a specific interaction with sobek mostly want cold

including cyte

[velvet pulsar]

*acid shells

[patent fern]

isnt he a good weapon buffer too

[near vortex]

Cyte is one, yes

[coral crest]

One of the best

But doesn't work on incarnons or melee

[patent fern]

ive got him building rn

[near vortex]

Cyte is pretty balanced

[fierce lark]

cyte single handedly enables some weapons to be very very strong

because of the whole infinite ammo thing

[coral crest]

Resupply is just evil Valence Formation

[velvet pulsar]

Exergis Cyte

[near vortex]

Remember toxic lash?
What about omnilash

[fierce lark]

has anyone tried gas bramma lmao

[coral crest]

Gramma

Or Gasma?

[velvet pulsar]

Gamma rays

[fierce lark]

gas supply

[patent fern]

thats what im considering since ill be ramming it with formas anyways

i love shotguns in this game

[coral crest]

Grass supply

[patent fern]

so stupid and broken

[coral crest]

Cyte with a Gramma does not have it

[velvet pulsar]

Forget infinite ammo
Use Cyte Toxocyst and don't let your squadmates get any kills at all.

[patent fern]

funnily enough ive only gotten shotguns from the kuva lich's besides the one time i got a nukor but i was using ember and took it in a hurry forgetting magnetic was better on it

[coral crest]

With his wallhack?

[velvet pulsar]

Yep

[coral crest]

Sounds boring

[velvet pulsar]

Toxocyst is just a better version of his 4

[near vortex]

Cyte Ocucor kinda broken

[patent fern]

cant he also just stay perma invis if you keep landing headshots? or was it crits

[coral crest]

Cocucor

[near vortex]

Headshot kills, yeah

Which should be very easy to maintain

[patent fern]

good one

[coral crest]

Headshot kills

[near vortex]

Especially if you keep your 4th

[velvet pulsar]

Easier with toxocyst

[patent fern]

cant wait for him to finish building

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder what bad news DE has for DEvstream

Maybe a nerf.

[near vortex]

Wall running is cancelled

[coral crest]

Probably wallrunning cancellation

[velvet pulsar]

Oraxia just can't get it huh

[coral crest]

"we have finally found a way to fix multiplicative condition overload, as you kids call it"

[near vortex]

Oh hell no

[velvet pulsar]

They already know how to fix that
They proved that with acuity

[near vortex]

Not my Felarx killing everything

[coral crest]

Is it the same thing?

I mean formula wise

[velvet pulsar]

Used different weapons

[coral crest]

Oh I know what else they should fix

[velvet pulsar]

There were weapons which didn't have multiplicative gunCO but multiplicative acuity

[coral crest]

Universal weapon bonuses 🫡

[velvet pulsar]

That won't be bad enough news to announce like that

[undone dust]

does it work with felarx's fire rate evo?

[coral crest]

It does!!!!

Blood Forge works on everything that isn't Hata Satya

[undone dust]

xatas garuda..

[coral crest]

Ocucor, any reload evo, you name it

[patent fern]

are yall even speaking english anymore 😭 what on earth is gunCO, universal weapon bonuses, and multiplicitive acuity 💀

[coral crest]

Oh and bypasses clip delegation too

Pretty much everything that isn't Hata Satya specifically is bypassed

And any on reload effects are triggered that aren't negative

[undone dust]

too bad clip dele isnt that crazy
plus garuda has insane energy anyway so overcharge is just an immediate slot on my sobek for her

[coral crest]

I should try that

Been stuck using Plated Rounds Quellor

For the funny 600% serration alt fire

[coral crest]

Terms for more intricate build crafting

[undone dust]

if you're willing to sacrifice 2 yellow shards or whatever the hell you use on her for energy max instead you can just max out overcharge

[coral crest]

Fun stuff

[coral crest]

Tbh 2 shards is more overkill than 1 shard is not enough

1 shard is definitely more appropriate

[celest thicket]

What has the biggest damage bonus overall, max stack overcharge or bulwark?

[patent fern]

does cyte also buff the ocucor the way saryn does? or is that a weapon + frame combo that saryn does best

[undone dust]

1 shard doesn't get you to 1k energy for it
but her base energy with pflow is genuinely enough already

i think you sit at like 312% with just pflow

[coral crest]

Bulwark is 500% serration, Overcharge is 350% multishot

Guess

[coral crest]

She literally has the highest base energy pool in the game

Figures

[undone dust]

another reason she is so good

[coral crest]

Yes

• you can pick status

Resupply is the same type of buff as Toxin Lash but you can choose the status effect

[patent fern]

sweet, as much as i loved saryn as a nuker i ended up enjoying the weapon buffing way more since more weapons were not fun to use

[celest thicket]

But if you have overcharge do you skip galvanized chamber ?

[undone dust]

no, you keep galv chamber

[coral crest]

Maybe

Or you can use both

And see how many things fly out

[undone dust]

more ms is usually just outright better than additive damage, especially if you're running base damage already

multi co weapons might differ

[coral crest]

Oh I know what I should try

[celest thicket]

Thats my question, if you use bulwark you can skip serration, but with overcharge you still need serration

[coral crest]

Split Flights Overcharge Mutalist Cernos

[undone dust]

yeah because multishot isnt additive damage

[coral crest]

[coral crest]

You literally add more bullet per bullet with multishot

It's more damage in the end

[celest thicket]

Skipping serration could give you the slot for primed shred, which also a multiplicative damage bonus

[undone dust]

you can go either or but more ms is really funny on alot of things

[zealous rapids]

You can relatively easily get a lot of max energy with health conversion + arcane battery

[coral crest]

Mutalist Cernos...

[patent fern]

should i work on the coda sniper if i plan on using cyte a lot? havent gotten it but it looks like a cool weapon with that augment it has

[coral crest]

Now I really need to try it

[undone dust]

i would love that if longbow wasnt as good as it was

especially since the clouds can proc it

[velvet pulsar]

Resupply doesn't work with battery weapons, but does it work on kitguns if they have pax charge?

[undone dust]

i wish overcharge worked on lavos because gas lavos split flights mutalist is already funny as is

[velvet pulsar]

It can work on lavos

[undone dust]

seriously?

[velvet pulsar]

But only in open worlds

[undone dust]

aw man

[celest thicket]

Archwing?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah that's my idea

[undone dust]

that's a huge bummer

[celest thicket]

I dont think archwings can make that good of overcharge

I believe amesha has the highest base energy and is only 195

[zealous rapids]

What happens when you put arcane battery on lavos?

[undone dust]

absolutely nothing

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder if battery can work on amesha

[undone dust]

your console or pc just explodes

[velvet pulsar]

U can turn lavos into archwing platform

[coral crest]

Nothing.

[undone dust]

im pretty sure battery actually does work on archwings

[coral crest]

Lavos technically has a hidden energy supply but it doesn't interact with anything

[velvet pulsar]

Then the answer is not NOTHING

[coral crest]

The only time it can interact with anything is if you are a railjack client with a shit connection and a subsume

Then it might try to use that supply to cast your subsume and say you don't have energy

[undone dust]

railjack and open world lavos:

[velvet pulsar]

Lavos can use arcane battery to increase Amesha's energy max, which will increase primary Overcharge

[celest thicket]

Forget it, its 220 base energy

[velvet pulsar]

And yes, we get RJ & open world lavos build

[celest thicket]

With maxed Auxiliary power it gets 540 energy.

[coral crest]

I want to see how much MS m.cernos can get with this combo but I need to get out of bed

[celest thicket]

Which still isnt alot of multishot

[fluid pumice]

Lavos is played by forcing Electricity procs through the augment + Nourish, with Corrosive on the weapons — like Akarius, for example.
The setup for disruption up to level 9999 is ready

[velvet pulsar]

That's half of Overcharge

Even that's a lot

[coral crest]

Are you insane

[undone dust]

this has absolutely no use to the conversation

[coral crest]

Average 9999 disruption contribution

[celest thicket]

Only if youre max energy tho

Wait amesha has some kind of energy recovery ability no?

[velvet pulsar]

Amesha doesn't have that problem

[fluid pumice]

Sorry, im Russian, give me time for translation

[velvet pulsar]

U press 4 then u press 3 and then u don't press anything

[coral crest]

No we understand it

[celest thicket]

I feel like this can be said in a lot of cases for amesha

[undone dust]

garuda and chroma are definitely the most comfy overcharge users

[celest thicket]

That archwing is a cheat code

[coral crest]

What you're saying is just not related to conversation in any way

[velvet pulsar]

Amesha is revenant but better.

It's like Revenant and Trinity had a child

[undone dust]

i wish we had more archwing and rj content

[celest thicket]

It flies !!!! Can revenant fly ? No

[coral crest]

Nourish elec corrosive Lavos in 9999 disruption is certainly... A build

That exists

[undone dust]

i mean it definitely makes sense because demos are just paperweights now

[fluid pumice]

Sorry, it’s hard for me to stay within the context of the conversation — I mostly rely on familiar words

[velvet pulsar]

U just use lavos with furis and forget anything exists

[coral crest]

Wrong

[fluid pumice]

Furis can use anyone with roar

[coral crest]

You don't use Lavos, you use valence formation

[undone dust]

fart lavos:

[celest thicket]

I remember the time when i was joked on for using the furis as a medkit before the incarnon was a thing

[patent fern]

semi-final showdown time, y'all think xata and netra should stay as-is or swap spots

[velvet pulsar]

U can say that genuinely now

[velvet pulsar]

My intention to use furis with lavos was because of the augment

[coral crest]

Umm that's ash

[fluid pumice]

Try akarius

Better

[celest thicket]

Hey, at least its a medkit that kills above level 30 now

[velvet pulsar]

Furis gameplay

[coral crest]

Doesn't heal though

[fluid pumice]

But it can do any frame with 80% roar +

[undone dust]

also akarius falls flat heavily without some hefty buffs
furis is just good

[velvet pulsar]

Also I might become a Coda Hirudo main for a while.

[fluid pumice]

Vazarin

[celest thicket]

I just wish the postures werent so...repetitive? Fists have alot more diversity

[velvet pulsar]

My alternative is Amalgam Daikyu mod with a zaw nikana having contagion influence

[near vortex]

Furis my beloved

[fluid pumice]

If you’re just doing base Steel Path levels, pretty much anything kills — even a stick picked up off the floor

[celest thicket]

Sad realization, Pyrana is automatic, cant use cannonade 😭

[hoary oak]

Is it worth removing 60% status chance and go with Primed Cryo? Or is the current build stronger?

[fluid pumice]

Akarius is made for Sarina, Mirage, and Lavos.
Although I even managed to make it work on Ash.”

Although in Steel Path clears, Akarius cleans up even without Roar, just by shooting at your own feet.”

[fluid pumice]

The truth about Overguard at 9999 — on Ash, Akarius still kinda trips up

https://youtu.be/D1dF7trbJAw

[fierce lark]

sarina

sarina carpenter prime

[fluid pumice]

Sarina always stronger, ofc

[fluid pumice]

All elemental mods are counted separately, already on top of Riven and Mystica bonuses.
That’s why Cryo Prime will deal way more damage

Sorry if something wrong, chat gpt)

[coral crest]

We incinerate people for chatgpt usage around these parts

[fluid pumice]

Жоска

[fierce lark]

you should run primed cryo + malignant force for viral, armaments is pretty weak, can run gaptitude instead, or elementalist

gapt only affects half the damage but it is multiplcative with the half it does affect

probably not great without external priming though

[undone dust]

is shedu even that good

[fierce lark]

X

[karmic badger]

I only see it in conjunction survivals

[fluid pumice]

Was

Now its just exp to rank

[karmic badger]

APAC region really do be behind

[trim wigeon]

the nataruk's shots explode too?

it isn't just a visual effect?

[hard dove]

No just thicc hitbox

[undone dust]

it is in fact just a visual, the arrows have a large hitbox

[trim wigeon]

oh

still pretty cool i guess

[karmic badger]

No explosion, just a truck sized arrow

[fathom sky]

It'd have a "radial attack" stat if it was aoe

[trim wigeon]

makes sense

[velvet pulsar]

Can nataruk use this then:

Imagine shooting this into mag's bubble

Any enemy that dies inside it dropping health orb will keep giving energy via Equilibrium to u no matter how far you are

It's an energy dispenser but infinite range

[trim wigeon]

and blood altar to keep the bubble sucking enemies if that still works

[zinc drift]

need a build to uriel 1 skill to make him super fast and deals some dmg

[patent fern]

i take back what i said about kuva farming, its pretty fun i honestly had way more fun than i thought i would

[hard dove]

Stockhold syndorme got to bro

[patent fern]

its all mine after 2 hours of running planet to planet

saryn drip coming when my funds are up

[late hemlock]

Might as well grind to 60% that's at most 2 more liches

[patent fern]

I'm planning on doing that if i enjoy using the thing

if i like it ill dump my formas into it and use it to farm a new one but rn my latron is doing nuclear damage

[glass rampart]

this build is a little silly

health tank oberon

[patent fern]

are there any other good kuva weapons worth it rn?

i only have the nukor, kohm, and the sobek

also would the kuva sobek build work on cyte in a similar way that it does with saryn

[worthy ruin]

Which one should i take

[glass rampart]

i think the brahma is still godo

[glass rampart]

i think multishot is still better

[cobalt ore]

i need a good exilus mod for saryn plz

evb uses primed sure footed but i dont have it

[daring tundra]

does anyone have a suggestion for a weapon that can deal high damage 2 a single target that can compliment garuda?
im asking for things like arbitrations when i cant target things with my ability

[woven peak]

I’m trying to put heat and electricity on Hate, but it combines to radiation. Is there a way to step up the mods to not do that?

[cobalt ore]

ive been using cedo and its pretty good

[mighty flare]

preparation or a parkour velocity mod

[cobalt ore]

like toxic flight?

[mighty flare]

yeah, or mobilize, or whatever you want

[cobalt ore]

alrr thank you

[daring tundra]

hmm i should mostly beable to do that to atleast try it out

[glass rampart]

Kuva Chakkhur

[fierce lark]

i wonder if garuda can do the ogris thing in arbis

i dont even know what said thing is just iirc saryn with ogris is the meta damage dealer

[glass rampart]

yeah cuz toxic lash combines with nightwatch napalm

[fierce lark]

curious if it’s for saryn-exclusive reasons or just a numbers thing

that makes sense

[patent fern]

i was about to say the sobek is stupid broken on saryn and i realized i hadnt even put acid shells on...

wtf is this gonna do with acid shells on it

[fierce lark]

create a 15m wide death chain

if the entire room of enemies is within at least 15m of each other, and you kill one of them with toxic lash + acid shells, the entire room will die

[patent fern]

i fully transitioned my saryn from a nuke/gun buff hybrid into a full gun buffer so i can get the most out of her since i have 200 other nuke frames now

what should i do with the archon shard that gives corrosive though, keep it on her?

[fierce lark]

yeah, it’s nice for acolytes

[patent fern]

ah i see

[fierce lark]

and maybe sometimes you’ll see a target that actually lives long enough to see 13 corrosive stacks

[patent fern]

im thinking of taking the normal red archon shard from uriel and giving it to her for extra duration but im already at 254 lol

[patent fern]

once i figure out how to use this shield gating strat on saryn properly its game over for the opps

[fierce lark]

1-2 cast speed, 1 corrosive, rest +toxin status dmg

[patent fern]

aegis + catalyzing shields + vigilante vigor + fast deflection

[fierce lark]

i dropped shield gating in favor of circumvent

[patent fern]

but it still feels like rng 90% of the time

[fierce lark]

yeah i did that for awhile but eventually stopped because i prefer playing the higher range setup for endurance

[patent fern]

what would give me more survivability on her?

[glass rampart]

shield gating is just kinda annoying

[patent fern]

i have circumvent but what is it used with to make sure im not getting super nuked

given the "shield gate" stuff on saryn still only works like genuinely 20% of the time

[fierce lark]

you don’t have to use it with anything, but you can add rolling guard if you want

as long as you’re rolling consistently, circumvent is permanent +1k armor, and as long as you remember to roll any time you see eximus or thrax, +10k overguard, which will last awhile combined with said armor

[patent fern]

would the shield gate strat work if i replaced catalyzing shields with an armor mod like armored agility instead? the 1.33 seconds feels like 0.133 seconds and it does no good because im spamming molt hoping aegis kicks in but it never does

[fierce lark]

well the thing with shield gating is it requires high kpm

[pallid quiver]

It’s boutta feel a whole lot shorter without cat shields

[worthy ruin]

How should i build the dual toxocyst

[patent fern]

i was microwaving everything with the ocucor on a arbitration defense and i was getting absolutely cooked by everything without aegis kicking in once

i survived by spamming molt for shield and running away

shameful performance

[fierce lark]

well that's what shield gating is

[worthy ruin]

This is what im working with rn

[fierce lark]

and also why i stopped using it

[patent fern]

i see

[fierce lark]

deadhead and merciless gunfight are much better than their slotted alternatives

[patent fern]

i wonder if arcane guardian and arcane persistence would work on her

[pallid quiver]

Which ones are the alternatives

[patent fern]

all health and armor, only downside is she has little health and i'd have to sacrifice quite a bit to make that viable i think

[fierce lark]

the arcane (merciless) and seeker

[worthy ruin]

I dont have merciless gunfight

[fierce lark]

it drops randomly from 1999 enemies i think

not super expensive either

[worthy ruin]

If it helps this is what the riven does

[fierce lark]

don't think it changes anything

[fallen sun]

help

[daring tundra]

would you personally say you do more damage with the assistance of a status primer companion or with nautilus for grouping them up?

[cobalt ore]

nautilus is my main companion so id say nautilus

[daring tundra]

i see thanks for awnsering

[fierce lark]

nautilus is a priming companion

anything is a priming companion lol

tazicor is busted

[daring tundra]

well some do it better then others

[fierce lark]

the only standout (that i know of) for pure priming is diriga

[daring tundra]

only if you want as many different statuses as possibnle if you want just one or 2 then there are other alternatives no?

[fierce lark]

because it has tazicor built into a precept and it inherits every element off of the weapon with manifold bond, so you can equip a weapon with physical damage and mod 4 statuses to give arc coil 8 guaranteed applicable statuses

if you all you care about is a lot of viral then probably panzer

also primes your secondary stat of choice (via elemental claws) and gives you reinforced/tenacious bonds and a cheat death while also having itself a cheat death and then not actually dying when it dies

[patent fern]

okay so i realized that my ocucor was poorly built... I have redone the build following a guide and replaced sure footed with ice spring for +250% cold on bullet jump since im a rubber ball when using the ocucor and i am doing so much stupid damage

is there even a need for a primary or melee if the ocucor exists

[fierce lark]

what you're experiencing right now is the reason why saryn is the posterchild of kpm D-riding

the ocucor is not crazy good

but most guns look and feel insane regardless of how mid they are when they're being wielded by saryn

[late hemlock]

Ocucor is great but the weapon is just meant for lower to mid level content where it makes the game a point and click adventure

Removing the need to aim entirely is just really nice

[old marsh]

Watch Ocucor how shows in WF stats page this year

hopefully in a week

But I am more interested in the Melee this year

[fierce lark]

i did say i think ocucor is a likely contender for most used weapon

im not locked on the secondary slot but i think it'll either be ocucor, dtox or laetum

[old marsh]

Not the most used. Probably not in top 5. But having most kills. That would be interesting

[fierce lark]

melee i think will be praedos

but i wouldn't be surprised if it was also Hate

idk what else it could be

[old marsh]

I have a weird feeling it will be Magistar this year

[tepid turtle]

is the heliocor good?

[late hemlock]

Iirc it scans enemies you hit it with if you want it for that gimmick

[tepid turtle]

it would be nice but im trying to find a good slam weapon that i dont have to be overly etra for when modding

[late hemlock]

Etra?

[pure heath]

Does anyone have a decent wukong prime staff build?

[old marsh]

only for MR. better grab Synoid Helicor

[next dune]

how good is camisado on uriel in practice?

i play him like a spam caster so i'm not sure it fits my playstyle with him

[glass rampart]

The other tonfas...?

The prime one... What was it called...m

[fierce lark]

kronen prime?

i dont think ive ever seen those in one of my games ngl

[glass rampart]

Kronen prime yeag

[quiet laurel]

used to be one of the best during slash meta

now you have 0 reasons to use it

since we have praedos

[astral tinsel]

it's pretty easy to get the full bonus for your ult casts

[next dune]

i constantly cast my 2 and 3 tho so i worry that it's negating that regularly. plus i use archon intensify so i'm casting 2 right before 4

[solar sentinel]

Is this good or does it suck

[lavish orbit]

I would say basic critical build, not much to argue without an arcane, you can add reach since valkyr talons has 100% follow through

Besides build preferences, seems ok for me

[astral tinsel]

you just have to wait a little between 2 and 4

archon intensify lasts 10 seconds

[next dune]

what about focus for him? zenurik or maudarai? still need to figure out ways to speed up that ult charge for focus

[gaunt minnow]

Is gloom still good on nekros?

[solar sentinel]

YIPPIE

Should I change out the viral stuff

[next dune]

there's been no changes as far as i'm aware

[solar sentinel]

Since my status chance Is so low

[gaunt minnow]

How would make a build around that? Like what would that build be?

[next dune]

i build for desecrate, use despoil, go for duration to reduce the health drain, range for desecrate aoe, and it makes gloom amazing with it

[gaunt minnow]

Im thinkong about maining nekros so i need some build that will work. I'll have test them later though

[next dune]

his biggest use is to just loot dead bodies. not many use him beyond that. maybe the whole undead army build or something but usually just built around desecrate

[glass rampart]

I just got Kestrel Prime is that any good compared to Glaive Prime

[quiet laurel]

no

[glass rampart]

Apparently it has 8 bounces so I can just build for rebound

Volatile quick return

[tepid turtle]

I’ve come to the conclusion that Dagath is insanely powerful but what could I do to make her better?

This build survived an hour in sp survival no archon shards

[next dune]

anyone got a recommendation on tauron strike for uriel?

[fierce lark]

get the spectral spirit augment

makes dagath into a pretty strong crit platform

and gives her immortality the entire time it's active

dont need adaptation or any othe survivability

[tepid turtle]

i sorta kinda dont have perrin sequence leveled....

[fierce lark]

most augs are ~10p on wf market

[tepid turtle]

s-spend plat 😰

[next dune]

if ya got red veil it's there too

[fierce lark]

plat is there to be spent

[tepid turtle]

about that....

[next dune]

unfortunately i can't help. they hate my guts

[tepid turtle]

ig ill just spend plat

i was planning on using 5 forma to make her a health tank or something like that

[next dune]

wait on that. they acted like they were gonna bringout more options for health tanking start of the year. and the first devstream is tomorrow

but anyone got suggestions on the focus tree to use for uriel? i mean i have them all unlocked so that's not a problem. just dont have the tauron strieks for vaz and unairu

[pure gate]

Do hounds fall off at a certain level where they cant kill stuff to proc contagious bond?

[karmic badger]

I've seen em handle archimedia sooo

[fierce lark]

i strongly strongly strongly strongly recommend against doing this

dagath of all frames does not need to invest a bunch of shit into health tanking

if you really want an unkillable dagath, you can subsume cyte's evade over something and make her truly unkillable as she's perpetually either invulnerable or invisible

but you can either shieldgate or rakhali spam between grave spirit windows and make her invulnerable either way

[tepid turtle]

im just toying with ideas right now i do realize that healthtank dagath would be kinda dog shit lmao

[fierce lark]

or use circumvent and yoink some overguard during grave spirit to tank through into the next spirit window

of all the options to keep dagath alive between spirit windows, health tanking imo is the singular worst

[tepid turtle]

using circumvent right now until i have all the forma built

[fierce lark]

and truthfully you can go with 0 survivability whatsoever, because she is immune while casting rakhali and rakhali does enough damage to nuke & get grave spirit back off cooldown quickly

even in higher level steel path

[tepid turtle]

yeah i just took her into sp for an hour and didnt die once with this build

[lavish orbit]

Nah you can stay with it, maybe you'll change when you gonna get good melee arcanes 😊

[old marsh]

can anyone share their Falcor build.

both for exposure and influence if possible

[fierce lark]

feel free to pretend there's a riven somewhere

[old marsh]

i dont have a riven so this works

[fierce lark]

steel should be sacrificial 🤔

unless you're kullervoing

im pretty suire if i was doing exposure the build would look identical

[old marsh]

nah. i aint spending umbra on this unless DE makes Tenet Falcor

[old marsh]

except using a primed element mod

still waiting for Primed North Wind

[fierce lark]

im not even sure if primed fever is better than shocking touch

it still has forced electric on heavies

[midnight horizon]

Any of you have a build for Nezha? What is Nezha's focus?

[old marsh]

it is for pure dmg

[fierce lark]

i think i would just run a different glaive if im not doing influence

(pathocyst)

[old marsh]

ye. but i still prefer to have a 2nd build available in case 4 months later DE decides to nerf Inf

[midnight horizon]

What got nerfed?

[fierce lark]

i dont actually think influence is ever gonna get nerfed, even tho it should

[old marsh]

relax. "in case"

[fierce lark]

it's been long enough that if they were gonna they woulda

but i hope im wrong

[old marsh]

it took a long ass time for Slam to be changed.

[midnight horizon]

XDD don't worry I have patience... But what got nerfed.... "in case"

[fierce lark]

that's fair, but incarnons might've also been a catalyst for that

[old marsh]

in case it gets nerfed. it hasnt happened yet

[fierce lark]

and those haven't been around for a super long time right

[old marsh]

ye

but this affects Titron too

which was even more used than Magistar

[fierce lark]

actually incarnons are older than influence

kek

[old marsh]

true

[fierce lark]

i dont think ive ever seen an arca titron in game

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lie-gif-11500229991946522721

[fierce lark]

idk i never see slammers anymore

[midnight horizon]

BTW any of you have a Nezha build? Idk what to focus on him, Range? Strength?

[old marsh]

i see in almost every mission. people still use slamkong

[midnight horizon]

I only use double Torid on Wukong hahahahah I never used melee and Wukong have a complete clone hahaha

[fierce lark]

i know nothing about nezha

i dont see wukong either lol maybe this is just a product of me being glued to endurance fissures for the last 2 months

[midnight horizon]

Who do you use tho

[fierce lark]

lately it's been uriel, gauss & gyre

[old marsh]

just ran a mission for test

[midnight horizon]

Nice one, quite of an all rounder

[fierce lark]

torid laetum magistar wukong lol

[midnight horizon]

My Loki prime on pure Duration XDDD the mind control tactic is soooo food

[old marsh]

told ya

[fierce lark]

the 2024 warrior

[midnight horizon]

Always the slam Kong tactic

[fierce lark]

okay first of all

he has the wrong magistar so clearly he's a shitter

[old marsh]

I dont think we will ever get peak Wukong of 2021 where a WF was in double digit stats. (excluding the base version ofc)

[midnight horizon]

Woahhhh... What is that.... I am a new tenno (not much) and idk what is that

[old marsh]

10% usage on a WF is crazy given how many we had

[fierce lark]

i do wonder how much nokko we'll see next year

[old marsh]

so prefer the passive. i used to have one too till i switched incarnon adapter

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

Uriel will be in top 30 easily

[fierce lark]

uriel will probably be top 10

uncontested king of lazy endurance nuking

[old marsh]

wanna bet on it?

[fierce lark]

no im poor

[old marsh]

i bet any syndicate mod of your choice

[midnight horizon]

Lastly I wanna know what is this? Like where do you see this?

[old marsh]

https://www.warframe.com/stats

[midnight horizon]

Thanks

[old marsh]

prepared to be amazed by the Primary u never heard of having the most kills.

[next dune]

we need 21 arcanes to hit r5 right?

[fierce lark]

ja

[old marsh]

28 Billion kills

[midnight horizon]

Yes

[fierce lark]

i can't wait to see how unplayed the new styanax prime is

[karmic badger]

Once had a lobby with 3 of these

[karmic badger]

And all of them on call

[next dune]

wondering if i should rework these. love the dual torxica but not sure they doing the amount of dmg i need them to. riven is heat/status duration/cc/-reload

[fierce lark]

definitely some stuff going on

needs viral, modded if not from nourish

[next dune]

but would that negate shiver?

[fierce lark]

the riven is probably negative given i think the dispo is 0.55 and with not great stats

[next dune]

that's my biggest question with viral. would that negate shiver? plus the spore actually do cold so not sure it matters once you get them spreading tho

[fierce lark]

how do i put this lightly

secondary shiver is complete trash

and unfortunately the reason isn’t even consistent with how damage usually works

[next dune]

it was a build i found back when techrot encore was fresh

[fierce lark]

secondary shiver is additive to base damage, but it’s considered CO damage and so it’s multiplicative with some projectile weapons (and additive with galv shot on those weapons)

which makes no sense because it’s written as a damage vulnerability but oh well

this means that, at max stacks of cold, you’re getting less damage than you would from cascadia flare

[midnight horizon]

Question: would Secondary Enervate works on Mesa?

[next dune]

should i change the progen to heat then?

and pop on flare?

[fierce lark]

you should change it to magnetic and mod viral+heat

If you have external fire rate you can keep merciless gunfight else id swap it for torrent

[next dune]

i've been maining uriel lately

[fierce lark]

heat good

[next dune]

so should i use cascadia flare? or something else?

[fierce lark]

flare

or deadhead if you believe in your aim

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[next dune]

im a spray and pray type player. gimme something full auto with a big mag and let the daka flow

[old marsh]

on call crew more skilled than the players

[fierce lark]

torx will onecrunch most rank & file steel path enemies with any amount of gunbuffing

very strong secondary

[next dune]

by the lotus i wish the kuva karak was possible of being made good

also people may hate me but i want more adversary weapons

and i actually ENJOY farming them

liches just need to be a lot faster then they currently are

[old marsh]

Rebb said to watch the stream when asked about more adversary weapons. so here's hoping

[next dune]

oh yeah. like there are weapons that didnt get them but should've. and i'm kinda pissed at the coda weapons. literally only like one or two got mechanic updates. the rest were just some stat upgrades. and a few of them didnt need the adversary treatment LIKE THE POX

[old marsh]

me praying for the day we get a rework so i can max out my Sobek

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[fierce lark]

kuva stug when

[next dune]

sobek isnt bad tho. or at least i didnt think it was

[next dune]

EXACTLY

i have a friend who went all in on the stug. riven and all. then they nerfed the riven for some reason

[old marsh]

Sobek is iilegal. 3 augments.

[next dune]

i also want more factions to have adversaries. like you could pull duviri and make the weapons look kinda hallow like the dax in durviri. and then that could be a way to introduce murmur style weapons too. there is so much that could be done with the adversary system. they just need to do it

oh crap... i just realized i'll be signing paperwork for my new apartment unit when the devstream goes live

[fierce lark]

tenet stahlta ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[next dune]

tenet quanta, coda phage

also we need more flamethrowers

like seriously. they added a flamethrower skin when we technically have A SINGLE FLAMETHROWER

scratch that... they added TWO flamethrower skins but we only have ONE flamethrower

[woven lynx]

I hate that I can’t buy coda weapons

[fierce lark]

a non-exalted flamethrower that isn't a giant piece of shit would be cool

[woven lynx]

Being rank 15 and all that

[next dune]

exactly

[old marsh]

Lots of underperforming weapons need it.

Tenet Amprex, Kuva Ignis, Coda Phage. for starters

[late hemlock]

Funny seeing this when there was a time that ignis wraith was just the best weapon in the game

[next dune]

the adversary system is a great system to update/upgrade underperforming weapons

[woven lynx]

They need to make kuva and tenet on par with coda in terms of acquisition

[next dune]

and bring in some cool unique weapons too. like how about a kuva weapon that lobs explosive lava orbs?