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Aight ty bruda
Dante's birds are counted as summons for Wrath and Camisado
For stuff like mobile defence and survival on steel path, what Warframe is best used with what weapons?
any
doubt she can even proc Truc consistently given how low OG she gets from HF aug. its so garbo in comparison to Frost's aug
legit just smth that can kill, which is every frame and most weapons
Nova for defense. any weapon u want.
might have to build it first and see for myself
that augment really needs a buff imo. Waste of a mod slot
the overguard one for ember?
Fr
what if you just keep recasting it like rhino's stomp with truculence
caster frames amirite
Its good to play combine it with brespite ( cuz as u said of the og gate ) its pretty chill but the amout of og u get in comp to other is a bit less lmao
But ember in general probably getting any kind of rework
I assume
I mean the OG amount doesnt matter in 90% of OG cases
only frames that can actually make you tankier via OG are like dante and rhino
all other just OG gate on top of shield gate
could anyone give me a good dante build?
Ye. But when u compare the one for Frost and it falls flat.
Both give CC, both apply status effects, both give OG. But Frost’s Aug not only strips armor but it also gives more OG and that too to squad.
they had to give frost all of these because cold element on it's own doesn't do anything but boost crit dmg
heat however does multiple things
heat reduce armor, over time (frost aug strips it instantly)
yeah because heat as an element is already super strong
when it stacks many times, I've more fun using heat abilities by subsuming temple one on ember than her own abilities
Yeee he’s done… now how do I build Volt?
Guys is it crazy to have an incarnon weapon before any prime weapon/frame?
No
Capacitance augment to make his 4 your survival strategy, shock trooper if you wanna make him a gun platform. Other than that... Range and strength? With neutral duratio5
does primary bulwark work on uriel W ??
Not at all. Prerequisites for incarnon is SP and duviri
Meanwhile primes cost plat or aya gambling
He has very, very low armor
Best you can do with Bulwark is health conversion
If it has armor past 1000+ an if you can make it 1500 maybe, but he has low armor
Because you're spamming a lot of orbs
Archon shards but like why
thank you
Finally finding a use for blues
for uriel do i go with thermal sunder, roar, or nourish?
not really im using him for wep, and for lvl cap i might need roar thermal sunder or nourish
This is isn't banshee
His first ability grants heat dmg/fire rate and charge up or your 4th, like c'mon
put the magistar in the bag
his kit sucks for cap
4th is alright bro but im a wep platform guy im using him for arcane hotshot and topaz shards
not if you mod him properly which im trying to do
ill just do norish
only thing he has is the heat ammo pack and the fire rate buff and the heat ammo pack gets worsened because of uriels kit
uriel limits himself within his own kit
i dont use 1st for ammo pack or fire rate buff i use it mostly to proc hotshot and topaz shards
His kits sucks for cap
Literally has instant shield replenish, status cleanse. Are you trippin'
lowkey forgot, yeah true
i might replace augur message with rolling guard or adapt
he has good shield gate ye but what else
okay he isnt "immortal" but he can survive pretty well with just his 2nd
YOu wont be using generic cataylzing shield + brief sprite like what u you mean "what else"
wait do adapt work for bosses?
Yees it works as long as it continusly stacks up damage they have ddone on you.
for boss fights which one is better rolling guard or adapt
Depends on frame setup but for rolling guard it has 7 second cooldown, so you need to plan for those 7 seconds like abusing shield gate etc.. Adapt works for tanking
i mean technically 4 secs. cause u gain 3 sec of immortality
Cooldown starts after the invulnerability period ends
his kit is intended to be the constant play with his summons and then unleash his nuke once you have done enough with his summons
and the nuke tickles enemies at cap so only thing thats left is the buffs the summons get you but with the current summon AI we have they always stay behind you which forces you to constantly chase after the ammo pack
alright wth then i ma go with adapt
and since its a heat ammo pack and all of uriels abilities deal heat you suffer from reverse inherit
lowkey just go for wep platform atp
oh yeah btw is the dual toxocyst build good im trying to get red crits and nothing else
slamistar :knowers:
magistar?
trying to get red crits and nothing else and asking for a good build is not really gonna work out
Evervate
which gamemode you tryna cap in? cascade or disruption
holy shi bruv i have to grind grendel to get his norish and the 3 galvanised mods + adapt + arcane precision and sec deadhead im going to die
fraud activity, i would never.
Tickles? Brother this thing melts the enemies at lvl 4500 and same as lvl cap in both Void Cascade and Duviri. It won't delete instant but will kill in few seconds.
They don't always stay behind you, pay attention to the map, they target the first enemy they see on screen and will launch themselves forward. If you missed during then I dunno but I haven't find any issues. ANd it's not like constant chace as runes does grant a bit more bar to your 4th and it's not like further away
ive seen vidoes on it with lvl cap
He's THE frame who messes with other's heat inherit
i think base dmg is a little better imo
U said red crits
Otherwise deadhead is great
Maybe rune spawns might irritating for sure but calling him sucks at lvl caps is wild considering majority uses Cata + Brief respite shield gate spam
dude i already got 3 ways boosing bros crit chance
i like enervate more bc you can just shoot and never have to worry about kill conditionals
There's not much left then TBH
hotshot + 3 topaz shard + prime pistol gambit
it dont work?
This is toxocyst we're talking about right?
yep, ik it got insane firerate but idk hat else to put in exlius slot
maybe supress?
Toxocyst incarnon is the only hitscan weapon I've seen so far which has above 1000m of hitscan range
Usually hitscans end up with 300m
Costly but god damn this thing gives 52 energy per orb which is 3 less than equilibrium
so what should i use in the exlius slot? trick mag? i dont think it works with incarnation
This thing accidentally shoots orbs when shooting hordes
Toxocyst incarnon is just that good
i already got equilibrim i think its alright i dont wanna waste plat
energizing shot so you can farm some more vitus ;D
Energizing Shot is from Arbi
oh my days i have to grind like 200 vitus
im so cooked
I need a mod to add to this build any recommendations?
I'm sure Energizing Shot costs less than 50 vitus
3 galva mods and + this mod and grendel locators + adapt
i think it's like 20? 25?
Why continuity?
For duration
30 vitus essence as per wiki
keep in mind you can also get lucky from the drops and just get the mods while playing so you dont have to buy them
i have to kill myself i think
Also A.flow is not worth the capacity, its passive is garbage
iits okay bro my rng sucks
But you have prime continuity? It's cheaper int terms of capacity
Ohh so what should i get there?
i think im more concerned about umbral fiber over archon cont
I just realized that Aerial Ace is probably the only mod I haven't bought from Arbi shop yet.
Prime flow, or just regular flow
Ahh
Debatable for gauss
For a 50 energy cost orb
There are far better energy sources
Which teleports at your location
honestly if it didnt have the cooldown it would definitely be alot better
it just exists and thats fine
So guaranteed pickup of 50 energy
Yes, every 10 seconds with a small chance
Its too many conditionals
hey man, if bros got enough forma might as well 
It doesn’t give much energy as the A.flow though
Hell A.stretch is more consistent since companions can activate it
Which now begs the question
If u don't use this horrible mod on a reliable procer like gauss or frost, or even ESO mirage, have you wasted endo?
archon shards
fart shards
Prime flow and A.flow are equal in benefit, A.flow is just more capacity consuming
Yes
2 cap increased for a small benefit
I see thanks bro
If ur mod capacity can afford it, use it coz it's a direct improvement from primed flow
If it can't, primed flow
At least with A.Intensify its just a question of being able to reliably damage and heal yourself
Which, with combat discipline, is relatively straight forward
And stretch to A. Stretch jump is big in terms of capacity cost
But its reliable energy, as long as you don't have a channelled ability
In which case again the companion will carry because seismic bond
Electric is included by default on Synergized Prospectus and diriga precept
As in forced proc
True
and that’s why Ember is so strong, right? RIGHT?????
yeah ember is so strong they won't even bother for a rework 
anyone got a good dante buid?
throw a dante specter
for a pull subsume which is better between mag and zephyr better?
Zephyr with pull subsume on her 2
Use greedy pull for most advantage
alr 👍
@mighty flare since tak & lug's shield boom boom scales off melee range, would spring loaded in conjunction with primed reach be funny (i need a good sword and shield so i can have my goofy xaku shield build)
does toxic lash get more tick damage from elemental mods other than toxin?\
Kinda. It’s a separate dmg instance. It’s based on the total dmg multiplied by a modifier based on STR
so when this build says to use weapons like Sporothrix and Ocucor, is it actually correct or would Kuva Nukor and some other primary work? Also is this build outdated now?
I want to know if it could carry the damage done by acid shells. Because I'm speculating it scales off ability strength and not gun mods when it the tick is activated by acid shells
of sobek
it scales off toxin mods, faction dmg and ability strength
and elementalist mods
It's recommending you to use the best pistols in the game. Who wouldn't? I'm not sure for sporothrix. You usually depend on ability spam using Sevagoth. There has been much changes about him so no worries.
also archon shards right?
the one for extra toxin dmg yeah
I might've wasted a bunch of plats and kuva on a riven
rivens for sobek server one of 2 purposes mostly
you either go more for faction dmg or you get more straight up dmg to make the initial target killing easier
Guys what should I be using as companion / build for my companion for Gyre Prime ? 🙂
I reroll for toxin mods for toxic lash, faction mods are a bonus
with saryn though you have more than enough acid shells DoT dmg so initial target dps is the best choice
I see... I got three elements including toxin on that but less damage to corpus
yo i need a cold frost build
yeah I mean I know my Ocucor isn't fully done up but it feels like it doesn't do much
Do you know why it's telling you to use Sporothrix?
I actually remember the reason from both having played Sevagoth and reading the Ninjase build guide
It's recommending those weapons because their base crit is kinda garbage but their crit multipliers are good, excellent in the case of Kuva Nukor and Sporothrix.
Kuva Nukor has the benefit of Secondary Enervate most of the time, but Sporothrix is not as lucky. One of Sevagoth's augments providing crit vuln means the Sporothrix gets to actually use its excellent crit damage without modding crit chance
I just know that most thing I shoot with the Sporothix at, it does a slight amount of damage but not anything massive
What's the Sporothrix build?
Is the burst laser prime a good gun for the diriga
shoot there are other options - Scourge, Tenet Glaxion and Grimoire
I think that when I was updating my Sevagoth build I got swept up in that there are more options
Did you make sure they were affected by Sevagoth's 1?
The one that has all 3 IPS
its pretty good, all 3 ips, can use secondary mods for heat priming and you can reach 50%> crit chance for tenacious bond
dont expect damage from it like the verglas prime though
legendary but the build didn't show one being used
Do you have the Coda Sporothrix?
honestly would be surprised if a player has normal Sporothrix and not Coda. possible for returning players tho
Coda Sporothrix is way stronger than base Sporothrix
Swap cannonade for Galv Aptitude and run Primary Crux
Empty slot can be Hammer Shot if you have it since it works well with Sporothrix stats
Base sporothrix still should work great with sev's debuff 
says me that still played sev when coda wasn't even a thing
Should still work, but the lower stats and no progenitor is a bit of a difference imo
100%, just trying to help op with the resources they have atm
I just want a companion to use for priming. If it adds more status otd be best
If you can find space for both sure, I just use reach
how does range get calculated for the blast radius? or does it just use the sword's range
whats a good polearm/staff weapon? i want to use them but i cant find any decent ones
Hello i want build epitaph for mele Condition overload + viral, can i do better?
When you throw the shield, melee range makes it travel farther and aoe larger
If it’s anything like firestorm or fulmination, it’s just (1 + mod%)
encumber doesnt work on the AoE
also normal diffusion better cause you aint killing with a primer
otherwise looks ight
any arcane worth to use then?
fortifier
so would spring loaded just be either overkill or negligible 
IF some enemy die from my epitaph shouldt be still better to get galvanized?
Negligible if ur dropping something more important
makes sense 
unless you use a hyperbuffing frame like saryn I can assure you the epitaph wont be killing
and if i want take a riven or somthing what can i change?
nothing because epi has terrible dispo
heavily depends on the elements
the bad dispo can help with weighting to get more consistent statuses
like a - dommage?
but thats very min maxxing and insanely rng dependent
-damage can help with attenuation though its not that important anymore after attenuation changes
Guys if i put rifle ammo mutation on carrier does it still work like if its on the rifle?
anyone got a build for Koumei that, replaces her 2 with something more....reliable
anyone got a build for koumei in general?
What should i change for my artax cause idk to use this or burst laser prime still
helminth can be anything that you like imo
good weapons for her are the coda bassocyst (can proc finishers and does well with status effects), akarius prime once you get the reload on kill decrees or stuff thats good with status effects in general
Contagion zaws can do funny things with her decrees, but a nice influence weapon like okina prime is also great
Does anyone have a good phantasma build
looking for some advice on my Trumna Prime build. sadly not doing as much damage as i would like
Brothers, help me out. Isnt there a melee weapon in the game that has a passive or a mod that grants armor on kill? I think i saw something like that being a thing i just dont remember what
there's a melee Arcane for it
anyone got burston build, i kinda wanna use this 
standard rifle build of crit and status chance? only without galv aptittude
other than acid shells what other weapon/mod has an OP interaction with toxic lash and resupply?
nightwatch napalm
Thats right i remember now tysm
Theres this
Idk if this is good tho i dont have it yet
resupply specifically I would say akarius prime, its weakness is ammo and you ignore it by spamming resupplies.
I don't think it is, since only the armor buff is useful for healthtanking via persistence
so i just paste in my torid build
Yeah, just without galvanized aptitude
If it's just armor your after, the melee arcane that gives it on kill is better due to it stacking up to a best case of around 6300 armor
Theoretically it stack 255 times, realistically it goes to around 30
Is this a good dante build i just guessed idk what to put on him
anyone have a good orthos prime build?
Vitality is not needed
Either more str or more duration
Would you take constituion over it
im struggling to farm : Gorgaricus Spore ... any tips ? farming fortuna bounty 10-30 without any ssuccess yet
Seems good
Amp recommendations so I can get off of Sirocco?
anyone has a good volt paired build for arca titron?
thoughts on equinox duality + energy transfer? like what stats does it benefit from, is it good, etc.
You dont want to farm them from bounties. You get them by breaking the huge orange balls which drop them. I always have enough by passively gathering them with oxylus' scan matter while fishing/hunting as ivara
huh, the ones that actually drop something are purple TIL
arca titron build anyone?
yes thank you, so easy ctually to do it like this !
is primary overcharge good on torid incarnon?
what are good weapons that work with mag's buble guys?
acceltra kinda has that iirc
how does one get tenet arca plasmor
I am almost mr 15
I am in lategame bro I have stuff and mods
I have everything I spent like 50 dollars on this game for past 5-6 years
I never touched lich content it's way too confusing for me
I like techrot liches tho they are easy
is there any way to make the basmu good in steel path?
i even have the cap for dreadful killshot and it's not doing enough
any weapons outside of lich content please?
Nataruk isn’t great for it because it can only hit enemies once
inf pt doesnt mean it also has multihit
what can i change to make this build real good in steelpath? it does pretty well but violence can catch me off guard sometimes, i subsumed uriel's heal over her 2nd because it gives more consistent healing.
Inf pt matters a lot less if it only hits each enemy once
Need advice, Harrow Prime primary, wondering if I should keep the Primed Magazine Warp or swap to Hammer Shot.
Purgator 1 and Dual Viciss... either worth keeping?
dual viciss is a good nonincarnon melee
purg is bad
melee is pretty good. the purg is fun imo but not meta and such.
it definitely exists
What’s a good melee for Xaku
Syam blast influence
Quassus is siganture tho (i forgot if there's special interaction or not)
Hi! I'm looking for a good build for Glaive prime ^^
The interaction isn’t that special
havent played in a while but i remember i liked dagath spellspam, is that still decent?
have sp unlocked but not a ton of progression in it
spectral spirit augment and 1 4 spam should kill just about everything you run into in steel path
worth subsuming 2?
i dont think so, i like having the strength scaling on it
and having it lets you spread doom outside of grave spirit windows
subsuming it for roar might be good though
yea subsuming her 2 removes the scaling from doom, even if you apply it with her 3 augment
dagath caster is mostly quite pure as is, you could argue replacing her 1 for a damage buff for her 4. For a non caster you would probably remove her 1/4 depending on your needs in the build
the big thing for me is having 2 lets you spread viral outside of grave spirit
if you subsume 1 you miss out on mass viral priming
i dont think rakhali applies viral before doing its damage, since the damage itself is viral
question, which one would be better for oraxia?
arcane circumvent is so good
i might rework my silly impetus mesa build so it uses circumvent
If i want a bit of aoe in my single target weapon, when should i use Gas and when should i use Blast ?
hello im a new player to warframe, what should i be going forr?
If weapon have good status and good fr blast
If weapon is paired with grouping elec/gas
uh...these are both kinda bad ngl
You mean in a build for volt ? Depends completely what you want, he can make use of all ofensive stats, but strenght is probly the most fun
i really dont know what anythihng is so im just wondering what to do
which one would be better then, i know they arent perfect unfortuantely lol
when i say 'bad' i mean i don't know if you can fit them in an existing build
you could maybe fit the right one over magnetic strafe in this build but the sobek needs to be cold valence
ok got it
ty
the build im following uses nourishment for viral? so idk if that plays a factor
Sincerely, at low levels you probably dont need to worry about it too much, but if you want to go deeper , each stat increases something about your abilities, some abilities dont get affected by all three, volt in particular can use all of them
you should probly look for the Augur set of mods, they can be farmed from cetus bounties, and all of them are very good for volt,
if you have an existing source of viral then it doesn't matter as much, just go pure corrosive or something
oraxia wants whatever gun she's using to stack toxin mods to feed into the guaranteed status on her 4
what about like weapons, should i be using a sowrd or gun and whih ones
What's the best Exilus should I put on my regulators?
swap to corrosive
Its the (coda) hema, so blast is the way. I asked because it has toxin status so making gas would free up a slot, but i will just upgrade it and change it fire/cold with elemental vice
none, or if you're using energizing shot on your secondary you can stack the effect on regulators
whats the mods name that gives electric and status to shotguns?
Sincerely ? What feels best for you, volt doesnt have bonus with any specific weapon, so just go and try some new weapons, if you like something keep it, all weapons are good for most of the game
I got aeolak full set is it good? how much it cost?
shell shock
ty
you'd swap to an electric progenitor element for corrosive or use charged shell
I enjoy volt thoroughly with my nuke build would Uriel perform well and be enjoyable to play?
Uriel nuke is far better but can't nuke as often
Is this funny enough? [Cedo Prime]
As a general warframe
I wouldn't know it's your enjoyment
I'm just giving what he differs from volt when it comrs to nuke since you enjoy volt nuke
upon testing dagath kinda just nukes the screen with roar whether they have viral or not
so thats cool
wait you can sell weapon sets that are sold by vendors????
if you haven't ranked them at all or added a potato yeah
I have aeolak set laying in my inv and I am checking warframe market
it costs like 150 plat lmao wtf
Ok so I am tryign to do some Tomfoolery with sentinels. And I am not sure why but Taxon does blast damage with Retarget instead of the Cold procs I am expecting with this verglas. (ignore the random stuff, I am testing stuff) IS there any explanation or mroe spagethi code? MY goal is mostly to see if the cold procs could trigger primary frostbite enough to be worth it. But it only procs once.
slide equinox duality builds
aeolak isnt sold by a vendor if that's what you're implying
nah but the vesper is
What would you guys switch around highest i can go with enemy wise is around 320
do you have manifold bond on your taxon?
i really need a duality build for equinox
I don't have that yet. is that somethign that I woudl need for this set up (I will be gettign it, I am just not farming Fortuna yet)
yeah, it allows elements from your sentinel weapon (including ones added from momentus bond) to apply to sentinel abilities
Huh. Well alrigth thanks. I'll be gettign taht and all the other companion mods from fortuna ASAP
viral heat, or corrosive heat if you're using nourish, drop hunters munitions
kind of an eh aug so you'd probably struggle to find one
i very much am struggling to find one
and if you're doing kuva tiles you can swap heat for electric
some user named ruby said they'd share their duality build like months ago
im scrolling through their entire message history looking for it
its that desperate to find a SOMEWHAT new duality build
im not using nourish so sill go the same?
viral heat then
or viral elec
if you're getting to a point where you're struggling to kill things, use heat
or just dont use acceltra
(or a different gun)
Never
LMAO!
@hexed lodge can you please share your equinox duality + energy transfer build.
i hate wukong and i like equinox's customization a lot.
acceltra suffers from "mid gun that is popular" plague
everyone thinks it's the shit
unfortunately it's just okay
gun kind of needs a good buffing frame to actually do anything past base sp
Killing is not the problem, i feel like they need to die faster
ignis wraith suffers the same issue except that gun is actually bad
if they need to die faster then killing is in fact a problem
Get your point is understandable
we're in an era of warframe where the highest level enemies available in intended content still die in less time than it takes for a single status DoT to tick
arcane avernger is flat +45 cc, right?
what helminths does equinox benefit from
yes
yes
her duality aug or her nuke
i assume aug
yes augment
I finished all my quest I just need a friends to play with now
any weapon buffs that can be applied to teammates 
actually we're in an era of warframe where most of the decent guns properly modded are killing armored steel path enemies in 1 bullet lol
does nourish do that
yes
What helps me out a lot is the heat status form Uriel
id probably go for nourish or eclipse with aug
Oh right ty for reminding me
if you're playing uriel
and you're not using arcane hotshot
and you don't really care about his swan dive mobility
try subsuming energized munitions over 1
im assuming rest&rage is what i replace?
iirc, the duality specter cannot benefit from ally auras/buffs
it is
thank you ive been starving for any REMOTELY recent duality build.
it's also affected by summoners wrath if you want to squeeze out any extra damage
just thinking about that because i find my 1 to be useless , and im using a level 1 hotshot and a maxed camisado
i doubt thatd be better than brief respite considering how much energy equinox spends
well if you plan on using cat shields just use an augur mod on your pistol then you dont need brief
summoners wrath is just a faction mod for companions and summons
sorry i didn't specify, yes aura mods still work, just not helminths (like nourish or elemental ward)
don't worry too much about helping the duality specter, that +300% dmg is a flat multiplicative bonus
helminth damage buffs do indeed buff it
do i put nourish on the 2
or on the 3
+efficiency -duration
ah i must have outdated info then
3, her 2 has damage vuln
strength doesnt buff duality so her 3 falls a bit flat
i'd say 3, you are not benefitting much from the 3's aura if you're constantly swapping, might as well swap Trickery if you aren't using Airbust then
if you run a manifold companion with heat damage on the weapon you can stack hotshot that way (i think)
aegis or circumvent
i like circumvent a lot but i know this is a shield build
run energized munitions over 1 and slam rounds downrange
duality also inherits some archon shards (weapon element ones), but i dont know if it's affected by ability damage shards
are you using nourish? circumvent then
im gonna do mostly duration archon shards
correct
ok thank you rubyblossom5
np, sky helped too~
helped with what i can
i barely use equinox
duality equinox is kind of just a lesser version of mirage but it's definitely funny
wukong i hate wukong
his twin blows anyway so i dont even think about it
Am guessing no bus is paris prime better than nataruk?
also keep in mind weapon wise, duality wont proc conditional effects from weapon arcanes but they do retain their passives
paris can be good too cus it has an incarnon
same with mods (duality cant utilize the extra stats from galv mods)
they may still apply if your weapon gets kills first like they can with sentinels but i dont believe they do
and also a mod from father which gives it silly status chance and health regen for you lol
What should i take? 
brother in christ that riven must be worth at least 90k endo at this point
yeah i would probably just die at this point
from my very fast head calculations that must be around 1,5 million kuva
Guys, do you really get like better mods when you start steel path
not specifically steel path , but the biggest bump in damage overall would be galvanized mods , from arbitrations
Takes up so much points though lol
oh , better to get those forma built friend
I forgot formas exist exist
6 relics to get paris lower limb part and didnt get it lol
I have like tons
but for real , for some weapons its literally night and day difference
its 100% worth it
should i even try to roll this riven ? i dont think im getting a better roll any time soon
Like how do you do millions of damage
brother just buy it from someone lol , people probly sell it for 2p
well , depends on the weapon and the frame (and the enemy too), atlas for example can do millions of damage without any buffs , just building his combo
but for weapons most like to use Roar or nourish for free viral
well coda has a low dispo so youd kind of need a perfect roll to even think of using it, but i guess if you can get corrosive from just the riven instead of viral it might be worth it
idk what base hema's dispo is
the wiki says its 1.3
and the coda 0.8 (tho it must have been raise since now its on 3 dots instead of 2)
i would say this riven is already better than just a vital sense or a 60 60 mod
both have base viral anyway so you should definitely roll it but on the coda at least it's not necessarily worth running a riven
if you get something you like though it definitely doesnt hurt to try tbh
which weapon do you even want to try for the millions ?
Idk yet
right now my build is like this, should i change the riven for some other mod ?
the riven is unfortunately bad
because cold is bad
hema has innate viral, you don't want more
truth nuke:
well then find a weapon you like and just invest on it, its probly going to make you feel better than just getting a really strong weapon
when the homies pull up with blast toxin
actually
that's a god tier riven if you were to use it on specifically oraxia or saryn
because you can actually just build pure viral and all of the toxin mods will feed into the forced status dot
health tank oraxia with hema 
if i change the innate element to eletric would it combine with the toxin in the riven for corrosive ?
galv scope + crit delay + riven + hammer shot + vital sense
galv chamber + necro vigor + flex slot for bane/fire rate
viral crit machine
it would combine with cold to make magnetic
wait no it wouldn't lol
im pretty sure valence and a riven with 2 mods goes in mod order
so yes i believe it would make corrosive
isnt aptitude multiplicative on the Hema ?
is it?
yes
it is
even better, don't need vital sense
i do think this build really wants hammer shot, missing a lot of status chance from the lack of 60/60 ele mods in favor of riven
how are you actually stacking bulwark btw
no i dont want to buy a 80p mod 😭
lmao it's fine hammer shot is almost always a very slight upgrade if anything
im playing atlas right now, but generally i use crux or deadhead is most frames
coda hema having a base 30% sc is honestly very nice and i did not realize it had that
crux would probably go nuclear
play hydroid and run mag for viral corro blast mag 
@fierce lark Viral/heat was definitely the way to go thanks
you can do heat progenitor, mod high voltage before the riven, make corrosive blast for only 2 mod slots
chamber apt elec riven
augment FR CC elementalist
lmao holy shit we're cooking
hema is a very fun gun with very nice build variety
im glad that the augment dropped because people actually realize it now
build variety in the sense that it has pre-installed nourish so you build supportive corrosive instead 😔
TRUTH!
also im warped i thought the hema aug did cc and damage not cc and crit damage lol
oh nice , thats way better
you might be thinking of basmu's but thats dmg and sc
yeah im all over the place too many weird suction augments
bro this mods is nuts , while i was still leveling it with just necro and aptitude it already could deal with steel path
and the fact you only need a base 720 hp for the full effect of the augment is goated
i still dont understand how the augment interacts
it's definitely an example of a perfect weapon augment
yeah a lot of frames hit that as a baseline lol
am i cooking or am i cooked
like if you have more hp you need less ammo spent to get the full boost ?
cc and cd % stack with every 20 health taken from the reload
you need a full mag usually to stack it
but crux/slotting wildfire over thermite usually gives leeway
this is looking like some of my Year one builds,keep it up 😄
normally reloading drains 5% of your max hp. if you equip the augment, it will additionally drain up to 50% of your max hp, and give you 20% cc/cd per 20hp drained. thats why you need 720hp, the bonus caps at 360
god im going to get put on fraud watch lmao. i should slap some forma here hwen i get other stuff right? like power drift?
or adaptation
i love you because you know numbers and i suck with them most of the time
im paraphrasing wiki half the time
i also am but i also retain and test alot of information 
i think you should focus on upgrading your mods in the first place
and then half of that time i misremember what i read and spread misinfo
LMAO
level the umbral mods up then, alrighty, time to endo grind amongst... all the other grinding, sealing these fissures is gonna be annoying as hell lmao
i have really good memory, it just depends if it's worthwhile information or not most of the time
im pondering the process of saying screw crit delay since scope and aug genuinely just seems like enough cc wise tbh
i need to still get coda hema since there's a few things i want to do with it
BTW , thanks very much with the help on the hema build , just need to wait for the daily reset to buy the vice and change the innate to heat
you too ,thanks
those are definitely not the mods i would focus on first
umbral intensify is alright, umbral vitality & fiber are extremely niche
im getting my way to amaglum serration for my branton prime as well, should focus a touch more tbh
Hello all. I'm here with a set of questions. Are kitguns any good? What would you recommend? And are there any builds you would consider must haves? If I'm in the wrong chat ltm
the only reason 90% of excalibur builds use them is because he comes with the polarities
try to focus your endo and credits in mods that you can use in multiple frames or weapons, umbral mod set is rather niche
they're not even that good on him
may i ask for a Khora loot build
persistentence umbra exists but it kind of blows
resource booster + drop chance booster, there is your build
JK
they're pretty good yeah
im not an expert but off the dome the ones i remember being solid are primary tombfinger & vermisplicer, secondary sporelacer, gaze & catchmoon
secondary sporelacer is probably the standout
i tried to make it work, even energy tanking is more consistent
strangledome and whipclaw augments, then max range and some duration
High range High duration with good strength subsume 3 for energy generation ability if you struggle to maintain her energy up
Low strength, use whipclaw augment.
can even go for that petrify for ore gaze
you don't really need much strength if you use whipclaw augment
I think I use lycaths hunt with equilibrium, pretty much permanent with a primer
You don't need strength at all
I use silence over her 3, helps a lot in sp when you get swarmed by eximus
Cool thank you
on quick revision tombfinger seems more popular as a secondary
the rest were correct
build the vermisplicer with tremor+splat and all of the secondaries with haymaker+splat
especially if you use lycaths for energy
truth! especially for heat inheriting priming and straight viral priming
it's better than epitaph in terms of how much status it dumps in an aoe but epi still has a slightly better aoe
I love the epitaph
epi has innate blast and forced cold
Encumber?
Arcane
Ah I see thank you
I put fortifier on everything secondary, but maybe I should try using new warframe arcane
Also can kitguns use arcanes?
Yes it has two
there's really only like two decent kitgun arcanes anyway
so far I only used headshot one
I'll have to see what I like best once I get home
okay 3, i forgot about seeker
seeker works funny with xatas whisper
i don’t think ive ever seen a kitgun build not use pax charge
ive seen seeker occasionally and bolt is a nice buffer but grimoire exists so
I have semi pistol kitgun with normal ammo, forgot the parts, only made it because I got riven for it
soar just sucks and the residual ones are extremely niche
only started using it recently because of hollvania pistol skins, original look is awful imo
dakka
trying to make a build for uriel is this decent
the mods need to be at least like rank 6-8 before they start to do anything but looks good
i went for concentration instead of camisado, and dropped some strength in favor of max range
(equilibrium is on an archon shard)
i don't own archon intensify yet or it would be there
If you have energize I'd probably swap camisado out for that
Or instead Arcane Bellicose
Only because I'm not 100% sure his demons count towards it
Otherwise the buff from Camisado is better
Damn you trying to cover the whole map with brimstone?
That has to be at least a 100m radius?
If it was 100 meters it would be game breaking
It’s like 50 something
What does Garudas 4th excel at exactly?
it's 45m iirc
Yea ty
100 meters is absolutely insane. On. Equinox you can hit that with fissure buff and you’re nuking like half the tileset
Yeah you’re right idk why I thought 35m with stretch
if i get the doubled range & strength reactant buff, it pretty much covers the entire spawn zone for enemies
xaku has a 100m nuke that i think ignores line of sight, so that's pretty cool
How long does the dimenium buff last on 200%
20s
It primes enemies in range (huge range line of sight in front of you or around you with a tap cast augment)
They will now suffer guaranteed bleed procs whem a str threshold is reached
It takes universal weapon bonuses so it may stack shit like viral from Nourish if you're into that
Marked enemies will take guaranteed slash procs from any dmg source
Separate damage instances will proc it twice
garuda i think can juanbang lvlcap with vigorous swap + arachne and a damage subsume
It also has iframes while in animation
She can do it without a dmg boosting subsume, unless you want to one shot eximus units quickly
Hell, she can probably do it without any relevant mods
Just brief or augur somewhere
With molt reconstruct
Can do it with 1 and just 1
Yeah, everything else is just speeding up the pace
My current Koumei. But i want to try focus on spreading status. Will this do? And for weapon mods, do i want every element + status chance?
So she can pretty much
Subsume Xata and run like a sobek platform, without even really sabotaging the caster part, and benefitting from her 100% dmg eclipse

Just silly garuda things
weapon should be standard crit viral+heat/elec like always
koumei can build whatever you want stats wise and it'll all be equally mid, i have archon continuity/stretch mostly for the passive effects, and equilibrium on a shard
most of the build is survivability mods because stats really don't do anything
Ye I had plans to go for the archon aswell, just get em
So weapon, im okey here?
if i had primed sure footed i would have even less strength
nataruk is an exception, doesn't need viral, does enough damage to kill in 1 headshot almost always
what you should get is critical delay and some fire rate to offset it
and then if you have a +damage arcane you can drop serration for bane or magnetic or hammer shot if you own that, or you can keep serration
I do have some fire rate to get it down to like 0,45
assuming you aren't running a reinforced bond companion, speed trigger + critical delay i found to be a good medium
Cant go to low or i miss perfect haha
if that's too fast you can run vigilante fervor instead, or shred
but you definitely want either critical delay or galvanized scope (or both if you like seeing red numbers)
Gonna check it out when I get my new pc. God damn GPU went dark mode as i grinded wep levels
- thanks tho!
I need help
I am already Master Diez and I have completed the main adventures, but it won't let me make the Ancestral Peace.
What’s Garudas main damage source? Is she a frame that relies on weapons or what
She can do BOTH
but her main damage source is her 1
well her awesome part is her period blood basketball
Like makin uriel?
1 aims at an enemy and takes % of their hp as a ball, putting up a mirror that gives you knockdown immunity and absorbs dmg from the front
Hold cast 1 charges that ball and throws it
You can hold as long as you have energy
It never falls off since it scales off enemy hp and has a held multiplier that scales with str
It's pure impact dmg and has no line of sight checks
I want to get it
And it's weapon coded, so it's affected by vigorous swap, arachne and the likes (zero cc and cd)
i wish it made a dodgeball hit sound everytime it hit something
She has infinite energy if you equip Molt Reconstruct
3 cleanses status and exchanges hp for energy, molt gives you full health back from 4 usually
Your ideal non Helminth pure scenario is to prime enemies with 4, pick the toughest target and press 1 on it to get the ball
Charge the ball and release it into a crowd
@tox
• Start The Old Peace Quest
• Follow the Questline: This involves diving into Albrecht Entrati's memories in the Tau System, requiring specific loadouts and progressing through story missions.
• Complete the Quest: Finish the entire storyline to receive inbox messages with rewards and unlock further content.
• Farm Rewards: resources or blueprints to craft new weapons, Warframes (like Uriel), and other gear, which is likely what "Ancestral Peace" refers to.
Key Takeaway: "Ancestral Peace" isn't a single item but the name of the quest update itself; completing it unlocks the ability to earn new gear and resources by engaging with the new Tau System content, particularly fishing
Whatever didn't die from the ball dies from bleed
Alright sounds good, what do you think of her weapon?
(almost nothing survives the ball)
It's just decent claws, they're unremarkable
Better than most weapons worse than most incarnons
They don't even have a unique stance
It's pure ability dmg so they can chew through Limbo's rift
I have completed all the requirements but it won't let me make the ancestral peace.
Her passive gives her double damage. Just like that as long as you keep killing.
Try log out and back, check email
So you can realistically always do good dmg with her
And yes the passive affects her ball
She's a super strong and super self reliable caster
She's also great at railjack, because both her passive and her 3 will work with it
Usually survives with shield gating due to just how active her playstyle is, but she has very good hp and armor, so she might be a viable persistence user
That girl can sure do everything well
Nice, you know, the 4th ability doesn’t seem all too useful for non-sp though 😂
She also has bloodshed sigil active at all times
That’s nice I need a change up from my volt nuke build man it’s so brain dead 😭😭
By that I mean she uniquely gets constantly visually covered in blood during combat
Her 4 alone can nuke at low levels
But yeah, she's an overqualified nuclear bomb for non sp
She shines the most at higher levels and especially SP, where enemy HP scales much higher and she gets a lot more dmg out of it
Like one of the easiest frames to hit dmg cap with
Well since I don’t have SP the highest available level is probably eso how would she perform
Why does nobody talk about her
Circuit is always here for you
Because most content creators don't understand how she works and she's by far one of the frames with the largest amount of misinfo being spread
I think someone out of the popular content creators put her in bottom tier for 2025
Behold, the undeniable Latron godroll
Lmfao
I mean her first is basically volt shield if it could also do that while charging up a nuclear bomb, third is an infinite energy ability that cleanses all status, and fourth is a primer ability that makes the nuclear bomb become a planetary threat all while having some cool claws
Mhm
I was deciding if I should get Garuda or Uriel but I think I decided I wanna get Garuda, are there any specific weapons I should look forward to getting to with her?
Oh and the second ability, we all know it sucks so what should I helminth it for
Not really, she literally deals double dmg on everything. She can make it work.
sobek funny i guess
Her 3 has an augment that reloads weapons
blending talons interacts with acid shells 
And it bypasses reload limitations on incarnon buffs and all
She doesn't really need any extra Helminth help. But Nourish(as much as cliche it is) works uniquely well with her. It boosts energy gain from 3, it adds some damage to 1, it makes 4 proc viral
Alternative options include Xata to double dip on her 4 priming with weapons. Can be a honest sobek platform with it even
Roar to bleed even harder than ever before
actually i think it's just seeking in general
It's seeking in general. Augment just adds a tap cast for a radius instead of a cone
You don't lose normal variant
im creaming
For more interesting subsumes you can try decoy
Damage decoy allows you to put a decoy on an enemy, scaling their hp with enemies around
It will prime enemies and cc them
And you just created an enemy with a massive health pool
For the mega blood ball.
It seems as if the subsume is sort of just preference as nourish would help BUT isn’t needed fully
Yep, her subsume slot is entirely up to you
Nourish is just uniquely best in slot for her due to how much of her kit it interacts with
Well that’s nice I’m gonna try to find something that would work with my playstyle
And acts more than just a generic weapon buff
Nourish primes viral and gives it more dmg
Yeah I already talked about it
Oh and less bloodletting casts
Oh alr👍
Yeah that’s insane too
I’ll add roar in the beginning as I don’t have Grendel yet but if I do get Grendel I’ll probably use nourish or just any other warframe that catches my interest
She lowkey works way better as a nuke tho
Strun inc has a base multishot bonus evo that scales with new shots taken until you reload
Guess what augment bypasses the reload reset

It also reloads ocucor without resetting tendrils
It reloads everything without resetting anything
Except Hata Satya which would be just too much for anyone to handle
You can also just never reload felarx that way
Or Trumna, or Quellor
Her 1 mirror even gives knockdown immunity and her passive buffs weapons, so you can kinda freeball any weapon with her without ever sabotaging the caster part
Even archguns, since passive affects them too. Her second signature IS an archgun
Grab an ammo Kubrow or dispensary and go at it 
Truly a devilish creature
Well this is a lot of helpful information
I’m gonna look into the felarx for sure I appreciate the help
Criminally underrated wf
Have fun :3
Thanks a bunch you’re like Aristotle if he played warframe you definitely know your stuff 😂😂
she also has enough max energy for the new overcharge arcane
i think just 1 energy shard right?
^
Yep, pflow and energy shard
Reaches the cap
She has the highest base energy pool in the game
The only thing Garuda doesn't have is uh
Lore 
@barren orbit do get Uriel as well though
He is stupidly cheap to craft and doesn't even need argon
At the very least he can rot in the foundry until there's a slot
Yeah thing is he’s a pain to get and this account that I made is still pretty early on
My account on my ps is mr15 but this one is mr6 on my pc
Decided to make a new one so yeah this begs the question if there’s any weapons that are mr6 and below that would be a good pick for Garuda
As for Uriel you get him after the old peace
So that’s prettty far ahead
Ah, makes sense
which one is better for oraxia?
Anyone have a good lavos prime build? I built him recently and have no Idea what to do aside from not adding anything energy related
There's a lot to unpack and I don't think I have the time to, but I'll say one thing
If you want to use his abilities to full potential, do NOT tank efficiency, as it worsens his cooldown reduction from 3 and 1(augment)
if you run blind rage with impetus streamline you stay above neutral
do any hounds have an IPS precept 🤔
Manifold just takes ips from their weapons
yeah but that doesn't stack impetus
Oh, for that sort of misdeeds
since he can do everything himself except ips and other special stuff
What's a good companion for AC-130 Jade?
Does knockdown count for impetus 
"Is mayonnaise an instrument" ass question
i believe void and tau also don't count
They do
apparently sometimes manifold bond can apply impetus
The great and terrible moa:
i don't think those apply status
Yeah if it's electric caused by magnetic caused by manifold
Cousins former roommate or something
Maybe one of the Kubrows/kavats can?
i would assume there's more than this though
shit like viral quills or crescent charge
actually
crescent vulpaphyla can give puncture
I think whenever "sometimes" is said in such cases
It truly means "sometimes, as a client" 
with nezhas divine spears augment, is it really the same damage on spear retraction if the ability duration runs out as if i recast his 4th again?
I’m somehow got infinite multi shot from an arcane,is it a bug?
Visual bug. Works normally
My jaw was on the floor regardless,I was speechless
Thats about how the arcane feels
And the funny thing is it’s a multi shot benefit I get when my energy is above or at 90 percent ,and I have a energy gain per second mod,so I have a easier time building it back up
So a pretty convenient build
How would arcane bellicose work on oraxia 4th
can i see what you guys are using for your saryn build and a wisp build
Roar on 4 for both
badly
her 4 snapshots the strength bonus she had at the time of cast, so she won't get the strength from bellicose on her 4 buff
im bellicosing it im bellicosing it
i would recommend crepuscular + camisado, assuming you actually use her 3
madurai chain sling, madurai tauron, throw spiders at something, wall latch, wait for camisado number to hit 60, press 4 while invisible and enjoy your free 180% strength
What should i add to my regulators to make them stronger
running nourish?
No roar i dont have grendel yet
switch corrosive to viral
and get a max ranked flare as soon as you can
also get arcane velocity for the frame
I have arcame velocity i need arcane hot shot
Im using molt vigor as its the best out of what i currently have
I have arcane impetus idk if thatd be better thsn vigor for now
molt vigor is great if you can be bothered to micromanage it
I have a bit of a dumb question. What is the most versatil primary weapon in the game that can use the elemental weaknesses of enemies?
I assume it needs both crit and status
kind of a moot question, every weapon can "exploit elemental weaknesses"
you're basically asking what's the best weapon in the game
to which the answer is torid incarnon
Cedo is good. Burston incarnon does a lot of heat procs. Yh torid is good
Huh. Guess I did kind of ask that. Sorry.
My favorite primary sadly just can't keep up with the new stuff :(
what might that be
Coda basocyst is good idk what the status is on it and it requires mr 16 i think. 16,17 or 18 one of those
most weapons if given enough support and modded correctly can handle all content, build just might need work or you might need more buffs behind it
Tiberon prime. In a multi-player setting with critical precision is enraging
Pretty much any gun you enjou using id you can put a lot of status on it will be viable most prime and incarnon weapons are decent enough
I wish the augment was able to be stacked with the other fire modes but the semi mode uses the mass crit chance
Rather than is only burst fire on a versatile weapon :(
Tbf the gun i enjoy the most out of mine atm is the burston
hello, quick question. What's better on atlas, roar or eclipse? (thinking about his pseudo weapon)
pretty sure roar is always better in that comparison
What would be the best gun for general content between cedo and basocyst ik they are both good i dont havr the basocyst yet so need to get it
I can link my tiberon build. I dont use much base damage because my main frames are chroma and now limbo with rift torrent.
Most base damage mods that are useful are bane mods i think. I still use serration but only on a couple guns
kinda hard to call one better than the other
the cedo can self-prime with innate CO adding on top of actual CO to get +damage numbers that is unheard of
on the other hand, the basso has infinite body punch through and will likely 1tap anything it touches
base damage and bane are very different, the reason serration/point blank etc get dropped often is in place of aptitude or savvy, a bigger base damage mod (usually) and base damage arcanes
Tbf the thing stopping me from doing the baso atm is farming the hex bounties for the hardware mods
Isnt primary merciless pretty much the same as serration or am i wrong
serration is 165%, merciless is 360%
max merciless also gets 30% reload speed
max deadhead gets 30% headshot damage, multiplicative
Would bane mods serve me better than serration would on my burston?
Idk if serration is needed
Am I seeing this right?
On my phone so unless you guys want to see a terrible screenshot this is the best I can offer :(
Can someone explain INF for me please?
What arcane are you using?
Primary Over charge on Garuda
Overcharge is infinite multishot until you load in the game and it quantifies the actual number as a value other than infinite
It's a hell of a bug lol
Wish it was just infinite multishot even after loading into a game
Surely there could be a bug for that
Like messing up the game calculations so much it can't keep quantifying your energy so it just stays INF
But yeah. If anyone can give me feedback on how to make this tiberon better when I'm using limbo. That would be great.
Lately I have been using the vinquibus alot
Does it have infinite body punch through?
What would need changing on this burston to see more red crits i can redcrit just want to do it more
Im using deadhead but need to max it
Put a vigilante mod in exilus then
It's some improvement atleast
No
Ok I was gonna suggest a companion with astral bond
Im using my hound for limbo. Remind me what astral does again?
Void damage on companions
Ur own amp dmg gets boosted as well
That way ur hound will proc void bubbles through rift
Interesting idea
So enemies trying to shoot u outside rift will just keep eating their own fired bullets and if u have an infinite body punch through weapon like felarx then it'll keep ricocheting inside the bubble, multi-hitting the enemy
Nah. Tiberon prime is the gun with 3 fire modes
Read critical precision in the build.
It's the try hard augment
I was debating combining it with primary acuity....but the loss in multishot seems like a super bad idea when base damage mods are additive thanks to rift torrent
That's why no serration, deadhead or merciless or even aptitude because it's still only additive damage on hitscan weapons mainly
what about galv scope and crit precision
Is it worth building for crit on the Bassocyst?
Got both
i think deadhead would still be nice to have due to having the headshot multiplier
especially since you're going for headshots
True. But lemme do the math for the loss of multishot vs overcharge
what does the full build look like?
idk probably max out your crit mods 
for tiberon
yes
Replace rift Haven for equilibrium

oh yeah and gas and elec also benefit from deadhead's headshot multi iirc so youd keep that in mind if you're wanting to swap
So 755 energy... what is 30% of that
225
at least one
So a 2.25x multiplier vs additive damage...
headshot multi 
which both elements will also benefit from
True. But limbo rift torrent isn't always easy to come online
So some base damage wouldn't be terrible
It's not like vex armor
yeah, plus your riven does have +recoil but idk if the recoil actually bothers you but deadhead does also give -recoil
Let me check something
Yeah even throwing a tau blue fit energy max still only 2.5 multishot
health conversion and battery is an easy way to max out overcharge but thats a mod slot and an arcane
The more I think about it. The more vinquibus does what I want tiberon to do without the head shot minigane
on the limbo setup, how often are you getting parazon kills for escapist?
Im using vinquibus and I use vazarin
so decently often
So very often. Vazarin 2 is like free paragon kills
Ill send you my vinquibus im using currently don't judge me too bad xD
It's so.... much additive damage... but it's still doing incredibly well
I need to refine it
well if you're willing to drop escapist to get the highest benefit out of overcharge, primed flow can be swapped with health conversion and escapist for battery
you would just need enough health orb gen for it
yeah that is alot LMAO
does anyone have a hate incarnon build thats damage cap or as close to it as you can get?
Let me try to refine this vinquibus.
the only thing stopping me from doing that is the fact its a thrusting melee like a rapier and im always a sweeping guy
Correct me if im wrong. But how does fire rate effect vinquibus as a semi auto?
Just faster trigger pulls?
Canonner for free punchthrogh va p. Shred sounds better imo
yeah. like you can make it a full auto by turning on hold down for continuous fire and making it fast rof
anyway heres my hate for the time being, im tryna make it better
...I think about it
chat whats a secondary that can destroy necramechs fast?
that isnt laetum
despair
Furis incarnon
especially the incarnon
Melt them with a sunbeam
what about acolytes
like most guns
despair incarnon
https://overframe.gg/build/958477/vinquibus/neo-vin/
@undone dust
i feel like with acuity and scope you probably really dont need crit delay
also viral heat is a wee bit better on vin iirc unless you're just liking corro cold
Eh those 3 mods are omni forma so they can used on a case by case basis
Not really sure what else to put over crit delay besides bladed rounds
Maybe.....hunter munitions?
No fire rate with canoneer
could just swap to serration
Limbo though even more additive xD
wont hurt as much, especially since you're running rift torrent on limbo
so could swap cannon to serration and crit delay for primed shred
Deadhead canoneer and serration?
no, drop cannon for serration
p shred gives a little more PT than cannon as well, also fire rate is just nice dps
Im not sure how fire rate works on a musket with that recoil ngl
Especially with acuity requiring you know actual precise shots
deadhead for less recoil, stabilizer will probably set it the rest to -100 pairing with deadhead
if im not running mecha set on lavos should i run his 3rd augment?
yeah deadhead and stabilizer together nets you -100% recoil
