builds-discussion

[severe bough]

Pls be voruna

[coral crest]

It's Styanax

[trim hill]

It still doesn't seem all that great, tho. 9m is w/e for spending all that combo

[coral crest]

It's definitely Styanax

[trim hill]

If it was 9.3m? Busted

[coral crest]

Well Voruna has a heavy attack efficiency passive

[severe bough]

There was smth

[coral crest]

So it probably assumes you're gonna use that

[severe bough]

At least i can play him for the first time lmao

[trim hill]

I get that. Unfortunately, I don't like her

[coral crest]

But what if she likes you

[trim hill]

I stay losin

[coral crest]

Would you reject her

[wild rune]

if she liked me, I'd be concerned

[trim hill]

I 100% would reject

We can still be friends tho

[coral crest]

She will eat you

[trim hill]

The only frame I would not reject is probably Trinity Prime if all her color channels were changed to red 🦞

[viscid bane]

How long has this "feature" been present for?

[fierce lark]

since archgun arcanes came out

so like 5 months or whenever vallis undermind launched

[coral crest]

Ever since archgun arcanes launched in Undermind. They fixed Bulwark which was another similar interaction, but did nothing for the melee ones

Oh wait I said it already, would you look at that

[midnight forum]

May I see a build for inaros

[trim hill]

Arcanes are Persistence + Battery

And I have two green shards for corro full strip

[midnight forum]

Okay ty

[versed jasper]

So which would be best?

[verbal elk]

Any advice on the best choice here? One unlocks dual status for the cost of one mod, the other boosts multishot

[hexed lodge]

Amprex is primarily a status weapon, right? If so, i think right is better.
Left could replace your viral mods, but you will lose on the two +60% status chance.

[coral crest]

32% crit

[hexed lodge]

i have been corrected~

[verbal elk]

So does this mean the left is preferred? It has a good crit chance

[compact hill]

what should i change with what to get some shield gating?

[quiet laurel]

whats archon stretch doing there

[near vortex]

growing power to brief respite and Molt efficiency to Arcane Concentration

[near vortex]

Why not Archon stretch there? A little range never hurts and the passive energy gen can't be bad

[icy light]

I'm not scrolling around. I used the HP Arc because I like Heat Procs.

Get off my back.

[verbal elk]

Sorry to beleaguer a point, but which of these is the preferred?

[hexed lodge]

I think the only benefit from range in that build is to tickle more enemies with 1 and i guess helping allies with 2?
Could probably do better with another mod.

[near vortex]

better range on the 1 hold cast too, assuming that scales with range

[hexed lodge]

You good, honestly I am not sure what to suggest...
Either pick is not that great, but I'd personally go for 2nd still.

[quiet laurel]

teamplay in my warframe?

[near vortex]

some of us like having friends

[compact hill]

i dont have arcane concentration

[near vortex]

Well it's your lucky week
Treasure room in the Descendia is back so like 2 runs of it should get you r5

[compact hill]

oh it is? which floor?

[near vortex]

20, from what I've heard

I've not ran Descendia this week but I keep seeing that it's back

[compact hill]

i think i alredy have enough maphica to get it

lemme check

[near vortex]

Should be 105 maphica for an r5

[compact hill]

yup im good, thank god i dont have to run descendia

[near vortex]

Concentration is basically a straight upgrade to Molt Efficiency given you remember to trigger it

[compact hill]

and how to trigger it?

[near vortex]

Cast an ability

[compact hill]

i hit volt's 2 probably every 10sec lol

[quiet laurel]

concentration really ass to use on non spammy frames ngl

[near vortex]

It lasts for 3 seconds, so in Volts case you'll want to tap cast 1 before you use 2 and hold 1 and 4

[quiet laurel]

always need to alternate casting to get a bit more duration than efficiency

[compact hill]

i have his 4 subsumed for Roar

[near vortex]

I saw

Hence why you want the duration for it's uptime

[wet shard]

The exception could be Xaku because you can lock his duration with 4

He’s not really spammy outside of a box break build imo

[idle swan]

How could I make this any better, I already have 4 orange tau rad dmg shards on.

[compact hill]

will this decrease my damage output?

i mainly use my volt with okina incarnon

[coral crest]

Still waiting on Molt Duration

I need my ability efficiency

[steady stirrup]

Should I build into the ball or slashes on garuda?

As in the 1 or the 4

[proud anchor]

Can't you do both?

[wet shard]

Doesn’t her 4 improve the ball damage or the other way around I can’t remember

[near vortex]

Its buff uptime when you could slot Molt Augmented for more strength, so it's kinda personal preference there

Your build already has a lot of strength, so you can always try both and see what you like

[steady stirrup]

Idk i stopped using her for ages I dont know anything about her anymore

[proud anchor]

Yea, her 4 makes it so that any hit an enemy receives gets a forced slash proc.
The bigger the hit, the stronger the slash proc

[vestal lintel]

What mods here would be best for phantasma? What status effects should i aim for? I can also get some mods i dont have. Am using it with harrow

[royal tulip]

Hows ts

[vestal lintel]

Also am thinking is duration that useful on harrow? Because looking at the numbers i wouldnt need that much duration vs getting range for Condemn or strength. Though am not 100% sure how condemn hits enemies, if its only if enemies are Infront of you or around you aswell

[wet shard]

It depends if you wanna use his 4 as a panic survivability (might not really apply anymore with the shield changes)

[fierce lark]

harrow wants all the duration possible, his whole thing is buff upkeep

[vestal lintel]

Yeah nevermind with that as its only for enemies Infront

[fierce lark]

you want neutral or slightly positive range to allow condemn to reach enemies, maybe a little more if you want to be able to buff teammates. very high duration, and high-ish strength

[icy light]

But their abilities are refreshable.

[wet shard]

You reminded me to work on harrow, does penance trigger archon intensify?

[icy light]

If it heals Health on Harrow.

Like you need to be missing red health to trigger penance.

If you run Combat Discipline Harrow, yeah might work. It should work.

[versed harbor]

ye with combat disc ideally

[wet shard]

And with him able to constantly recharge shields would be hard to take health dmg without discipline

[icy light]

Might have to spend a forma.

[versed harbor]

umbral intensify + growing power is similar strength gain

it depends if u wanna save forma + depends if u get any other use from the self dmg

like arcane avenger n stuff

[wet shard]

have / had blind rage on him but I wanna take it off

[versed harbor]

its nice for him tbf with his energy economy

[icy light]

Understandable. If you don't run some sort of energy reserve on him you drain thurible fast.

I warn against relying on Blind Rage for Harrow because most of Warframe's content is multiplayer. You are fighting your team to get kills for resources.

Hmn. Idea. Usually we don't run Armor on Harrow but. If you run that one arcane armor buff + Arcane uh... the Energy/Armor one. That could be fun.

[versed harbor]

its just expensive compared to flow :[

[wet shard]

I’ve got his 4 augment so cc arcanes are kinda useless, aegis maybe as a final stop gap in case I mess up?

[icy light]

It takes up two arcane slots tbh but its an option. To not trade off the shield buff for armor.

[icy light]

Nah the arcane that steals stuff like armor, overguard, and I think Shields too.

Iirc it worked with Arcane... Battery. Yeah. The energy point for armor point arcane.

[wet shard]

from old peace? don’t have that one yet

got augmented on rn because I didn’t know what else to throw on to him

[icy light]

Ah

Maybe don't put Augmented on him tbh. Again. The kills thing.

Since Harrow's Support, you're gonna be spending a long time killing... 250(?) Enemies to get the topped 60% str.

Listen, when I get home and get my stuff situated, I'll look into how I can build Harrow for the current landscape. Without helminth options, just to see his viability.

[wet shard]

Just found a selfish Harrow build from ninjase looks interesting

[fierce lark]

if you aren't subsuming thurible you can drop equilibrium for something, such as one of the augments

also worthy comraderie is kind of a meme

[wet shard]

Using evade to keep perma invis and lasting covenant for perma cc buff

[royal tulip]

Epitaph was good right?

[wet shard]

*is

[fierce lark]

yes

[reef leaf]

I just got the Imperator Vandal.

How good is it actually?

Should I invest in it, or stick with my other archguns (Mausolon, Arbucep, Larkspur P, Corvas P, K Grattler)

[fierce lark]

it's alright, but i don't think it really beats the mauslon/grattler or larkspur anywhere

[shell yew]

Hi i'm searching a primary weapon to play (i've mostly play mêlée weapon) can i have some ideas of some weapon ?

[fierce lark]

weapon type preference? mastery rank? warframe in mind?

[reef leaf]

I like the Burston Prime Incarnon.

Other people swear by the Torid or the Coda Bassocyst.

If you're new, then start with your Nataruk.

[shell yew]

I'm actually playing uriel but i also use hydroid and i'm mastery 14 and have no specially preference

[shell yew]

I'm gonna check

[vestal lintel]

In your experience guys are Ammo Mutation mods worth it?

[coral crest]

On some weapons it helps, absolutely

The shittier your ammo economy is, the more important it is

[fierce lark]

phenmor
felarx
opticor vandal
AX-52
vinquibus
burston prime incarnon
kuva kohm
boar prime incarnon
latron prime incarnon
stahlta
quanta vandal
dread incarnon
nataruk
tenet arca plasmor
tenet glaxion
kuva sobek
torid incarnon 😔

[near vortex]

If you want something to support a melee, get your hands on a Rauta. For something with Uriel synergy, Kuva Sobek with Acid Shells does wonders

[shell yew]

Thx gonna take a look

[fierce lark]

would have to be regular sobek, kuva is mr15

[near vortex]

Actually

Kuva weapons aren't MR locked

You could get a Kuva Sobek as soon as you can spawn a lich

[fierce lark]

why does this dumb website tell me kuva sobek unlocks at mr15 then lol

[near vortex]

that's a great question

[fierce lark]

they all have their own MR, but it's irrelevant because they come pre-built in the foundry which isn't blocked by MR requirement

what a weird broken system

[coral crest]

[fierce lark]

small list revision, can add the sobek/arca plasmor/glaxion

i dont think any of the other primaries are particularly standout

maybe the bramma with uriel's guaranteed heat statuses

[vestal lintel]

Specifically phantasma, (with harrow)

[fierce lark]

hunter munitions at home

[vestal lintel]

Also do the arcane double packs give all types of arcanes? Would it be worth getting if i have barely any arcanes? (or mod booster)

[coral crest]

you mean the calendar?

[vestal lintel]

Yes

[coral crest]

the pool is

rather limited

but those are very good arcanes to get if you dont have any

[vestal lintel]

Hm ok. Primary crux would be useful for me

[near vortex]

I'm in the kitchen and burning my food

[fierce lark]

that cannot be good

[quiet laurel]

why normal elementalist when you really want the status chance

also if you go bounce build blood rush fr fr

[severe bough]

Cyte prime this year

We just pray

[polar yarrow]

anyone with a good gyre prime build ? ideally a good build around her 4

[near vortex]

Don't have it yet

And the heavy windup kinda needed

[obtuse remnant]

Does anyone known is fireball frenzy works on Uriel?

[fossil wing]

I got this from my last Sister of Parvos

I heard this is the best possible hound?

(I have every Hound Mod)

[coral crest]

then it doesnt matter as long as you have at least 323 shields for reinf bond (that bond is still optional)

"best" hound just ensures you have the important precepts off the go

and have min shields for reinforced bond if youll ever need it

the other stats arent really relevant outside of extra polarity from the tail

[fossil wing]

So if I forma the crap out of a hound hypothetically I can brute force my way to the stats I need?

[coral crest]

not really, all that matters in hound stats is the shield

to have a threshold for one specific mod if you ever want to build into it

the rest is entirely flexible

[fossil wing]

So the Urga is then the worst of the bunch

Well sadly I have no cores or base hound so I guess I gotta keep farming sisters

[coral crest]

you already have 333 shields, thats above 323

and you said you have all mods

so essentially your hound is already perfectly good

[fossil wing]

The hound is not gilded either

[coral crest]

mhm

thats a nice and shiny hound right here

ready to be used to its full power

make sure to give it a good name

it is a very well known fact that having a good name makes your pet do better

[fossil wing]

I named my Panzer Vulpyphyla "Splat"

Do I need plat to rename the hound?

[coral crest]

its same as deimos pets

name when gilding, pay to rename

[fossil wing]

So a quick trip to Elite Sanctuary

[vestal lintel]

Guys am gonna go crazy

I originally thought that my nataruk wouldnt be super amazing with harrow because of the "random" fire rate, boy was i wrong.

At mr11 literally nothing comes even remotely close to nataruk

[fierce lark]

random fire rate?

[vestal lintel]

I misunderstand the 2nd ability. I thought the percentage of fireate and reload speed would be dependent on how many enemies i trap, so the fire rate would be different every time i used the ability and the amount of time i have to hold fire button to do full damage with the bow would change

[fierce lark]

understandable

the only variable is the amount of shield you use at the time of cast, which affects the duration

the buff itself and the base duration scale off of your warframe's strength/duration as normal

[wicked vortex]

anyone have a good kuva kraken build to suggest? i'm ranking mine up for the mastery and wanna make sure the polarities i'm picking are okay

[fierce lark]

thats the polarity setup for most secondary builds

[wicked vortex]

gotcha, thanks :3

[fierce lark]

alternative setup if you have primed pistol gambit

[wicked vortex]

yeah i suppose the kuva kraken has high enough base crit chance that i might as well slap ppg on there

[fierce lark]

i would believe it and enervate both work fine

im not really sure what you'd put there over ppg though

probably elementalist

[wicked vortex]

i was thinking a fun build could be like, applying a bunch of electric or heat statuses with the burst fire so i originally had elementalist on there

but idk if that'd actually be any good compared to just slapping enervate on it

i suppose i do have cascadia empowered

[fierce lark]

hopefully you'll never ever equip it

[fossil wing]

I think this works

Nevermind, putting in numbers

[civic wadi]

i feel like im not a mesa fan cause there so many hoops that you have to jump for her red crit stuff
not to say you dont have to build her that way but its such a pain compared to other frames

[fossil wing]

Gilded my hound now

[neat harbor]

@latent adder no tau emerald shard for corr stacks on uriel needed? even on weapon platform ? i suppose bc of all the heat procs and regular corr being enough?

[latent adder]

Nope

Corro shards just aren't that useful anymore since armor nerf

[neat harbor]

true ig thank you

[fierce lark]

most things don't even live long enough to get to 10 stacks

[versed harbor]

dont be baited by red crit mesa shes fine with yellow/orange paired with a decent build

[spring sigil]

Is laetum a weapon crit to go or not? I would like to play with it but i wanna do it make big reds

[fierce lark]

red crits are just a byproduct of regulators being a high base cc secondary exalted that can deal heat damage

works with hotshot, works with topaz, can take ppg

[fierce lark]

you can go no crit, you can go enervate, you can go full crit mods with outburst

[barren orbit]

why did nobody tell me arcane energize is accessible to anyone i thought it was locked behind the new war

[nova swift]

Mesa /w hotshot and a few secondary crit oranges is more then good enough. You dont have to think just keep up your buffs, bullet jump into the air and pew pew

[rocky hinge]

Any mods recommandations for Uriel build ? I have one that isn’t bad but I think I can do better

I want to reach the freaking million dps 😔

[nova swift]

Personally a big fan of encumber, a bunch of bonus firerate and impetus on mesa too. Great galvanized damage and trash still dies fast anyways

[rocky hinge]

I run this right now

[fathom sky]

Because you can just look that up lol. Best bet to getting it is just trading for Plat or waiting for another Operation since hunting Eidolons is a slog

[rocky aurora]

Red crit isn't even the best build imo. It's toxin+archon continuity with corrosive stack shards for full stripping

Unlike heat regulators, toxin regulators easily scale for all content, especially endurance runs like cascade

[civic wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[rocky aurora]

There's a couple of different ways, but the most common way I've seen thus far for building Uriel is going high range+duration and not going negative strength

But leaning more into range

[fallow mist]

anyone knows? kengineer last video about laetum was years ago

[cobalt ore]

does anybody have a good wisp build that doesnt req helminth,roar or nourish ( i js got her)

[rocky aurora]

Crit laetum is goated, but non crit is good too

[fallow mist]

its better than non crit?

[rocky aurora]

Imo, yea

[fallow mist]

secondary ennervate?

[undone dust]

it's much better if you're good at hitting headshots, but non crit still has better body shot dps

[rocky hinge]

I’ll try this out! It is counterintuitive at first for me to lean into range because I want like high damage from my abilities

[fallow mist]

oh, i suck at hitting headshots lol

but does it matter with multishot?

[undone dust]

not really, it's laetum so it kills everything anyway

[rocky aurora]

Youll be dishing out big damage even without super high strength on Uriel. His only really big damage ability is his 4, which has multiplicative damage scaling per tick, so the longer it's active the higher the damage becomes

[fallow mist]

idk i feel like im doing something wrong w my laetum then

[rocky aurora]

Btw

The 2000% damage perk doesn't work on bosses

[undone dust]

truth nuke

[rocky hinge]

Oh wow

Thank you 🥹😭

[fallow mist]

running with uriel btw hence cascadia flare

[rocky aurora]

I recommend to not pair Uriel with a main DPS dealing Heat damage. Due to how Heat Inherit works, your Heat weapon will be doing about 2x less damage if Uriel's abilities hit enemies first

But if not, just go ham with any other weapon

[coral notch]

ngl im so stuck on what to put on nova, i love her but i cant figure it out cuz everyone puts onn smthn dif one her and idk which builds to follow, anyone know any good builds?

[rocky aurora]

I only know nova for defense speed up tbh lol

[mighty flare]

what?

[rocky aurora]

Truth nuke

[rocky hinge]

I use the Nataruk for my weapon with corrosive damage ! I think it should match with the advices you told me before too I am excited to try the new build

[fallow mist]

what am i doing wrong? because i feel a bit mislead, i read so much about how laetum could one shot acolytes and so on

[rocky aurora]

Should work fine as long as your weapon DPS is not Heat 👍

[severe bough]

Your using his 4 ?

[fallow mist]

but doesnt nataruk have innate heat damage?

[fallow mist]

im using all his kit

[rocky aurora]

Laetum shouldn't be one shotting acolytes but it should at least be doing something

[rocky aurora]

No

[fallow mist]

also his 1 boosts cascadia flare to 480% damage

[near vortex]

take off hornet strike for something else

hornet strike is addictive to cascadia flare

[undone dust]

addictive

[fallow mist]

addictive?

[rocky aurora]

Additive

[near vortex]

addictive
people keep doing it

[rocky aurora]

Stacking additive damage is the worst way to increase damage

Even though the 2000% damage is multiplicative to damage mods

[fallow mist]

damn, started playing this game 4 years ago and i still dont know stuff like that

[rocky aurora]

It's diminishing returns. Especially with so much of it

Much better to focus on other parts of the gun than just increasing additive damage

[fallow mist]

like what, for example?

[near vortex]

accelerated isotope

[rocky aurora]

Eh

If youre going for eidolons, sure

[mighty flare]

how does toxin outscale heat
promoting full strip after jade is laughable for cap

[fallow mist]

with the new amp mods i think the amp is enough for eidolons now

[rocky aurora]

Full stripping for lower dr is laughable? I dunno 🤷‍♂️

Furthermore, toxin goes through shields, so corpus enemies are melted instantly without anything else

Dont even need faction mods

[fallow mist]

ugh i suck at builds

[rocky aurora]

Saying full stripping after jade is laughable is just not it, imo. Stuff like Magistar could 1 shot cap before jade too, doesn't mean im gonna be not full stripping or just using magistar on everything in the game

[rocky aurora]

It's a long process of just playing the game. It's entirely possible im wrong about heat mesa but I haven't seen it deal with cap as reliably as toxin strip mesa

Especially not when I can just whip the furis inc out and do 10x more damage than heat mesa

[ionic kettle]

I have a cursed Daikyu riven.

[fallow mist]

oh yeah but im mr 22 already i should know this stuff ;/

[mighty flare]

regulators have ass sc, and enemies living long enough for +10 corrosive stacks means ur build sucks for cap

[ionic kettle]

Could this riven be worse?

[severe bough]

Best riv fr

[severe bough]

Only the fantastic 4 could beat that

[ionic kettle]

What about the Avengers?

I mean, if the Fantastic 4 could beat it, surely the Justice League could.

[rocky aurora]

Without external fire rate buffs like furax or velocity

Even if regulators had 5% sc, they'd still full strip almost instantly

[unborn veldt]

am i doing anything wrong with this build? I dont have a T5 arcane expertise yet

[rocky aurora]

Idm looking at heat mesa ttk at cap being less than 2 seconds

[timber sparrow]

Due to [Kompressa]'s base critical damage being only 1.8, it is more valuable to build it for raw damage rather than adding enervate and critical mods. I have done a lot of testing with enervate and have found this build surpasses any critical builds I tried.

opinions? im looking for inspiration to build my kompressa prime rn so i gotta know

[rocky aurora]

Just need to see it

[fierce lark]

why are you running this archon continuity stuff instead of actual corrosive, when you have a primed elec mod

[rocky aurora]

3 elemental mods vs 1 elemental with free corrosive

[fierce lark]

you’re slotting 2 of those elemental mods regardless of what your build is

it’s a non-status weapon, if you have primed elements they better be in the build

[rocky aurora]

? Toxin requires 1 element

[fierce lark]

yeah and it’s not an element with a prime variant

[rocky aurora]

Ok

[neon wharf]

imagine killing enemies so slowly you reach max corrosive stacks 🥀

[fierce lark]

you aren’t combining primed convulsion and primed heated charge to make 330% radiation lol

[rocky aurora]

Why would I mod rad on regulators lmao

[quartz pine]

i dont wanna dogpile but i gotta say that mesa sc is trash and you should really just mod heat instead of tox lol

[rocky aurora]

Ew

The same argument applies to heat for low sc

[mighty flare]

are you implying that 1 toxin is the better than 2 primed mods ?

[rocky aurora]

I never stated that, no

[river palm]

the funniest part of this is mesa can kill cap very easily with both builds, and you guys are bickering just to bicker

[neon wharf]

you kill with raw damage of primed mods, not the status dot lol

[river palm]

play the game how you want to, and don't be a chud

[undone dust]

i am a chud

[rocky aurora]

Yea idk, raw damage vs full strip or 50% strip

[undone dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159566087059419156/1449861722939850995/togif.gif

[fierce lark]

the only way to get toxin and 2 primed mods is if you combine the primed mods

[rocky aurora]

Why would I mod 3 elementals if I only want toxin

[neon wharf]

trash clear is mediocre so that’s not entirely true, single target instakills cap yeah

[rocky aurora]

Yes true and real

[fierce lark]

because not slotting 2 primed elementals on a raw damage weapon is horrendously bad modding

plus, you can combine toxin with one of the primed mods to make corrosive anyways, that’s the normal regulators build

[neon wharf]

you still want to build as high as possible dps for comfort

[fierce lark]

why on earth would you not just do that

[quartz pine]

mesa is highkey chopped with the better build

[trim edge]

Harmony thoughts

[quartz pine]

could not imagine playing pure tox regulators lol

[river palm]

that extra .3 seconds to kill a group of enemies doesn't matter all that much man

[quartz pine]

it really does

[rocky aurora]

Because id rather stack multipliers than additive

[neon wharf]

more like multiple seconds if you rely on armor stripping

[rocky aurora]

Oh shit mb ,2 tox mods 60/60 and 90

[river palm]

theres a really easy solution to this argument, it's the reason why you have 3 weapon slots

[neon wharf]

tbf i am talking about cap specifically, for base SP it doesn’t matter but especially there enemies die before you ever stack corrosive to the max

[latent adder]

The heat is just for hotshot, but wouldn't modding raw corrosive be better than tox + continuity already

[neon wharf]

no matter the case you want the raw danage from 2 primed elements

[mighty flare]

yeah

[latent adder]

You get more raw dmg, the same strip

Hence, corrosive heat

[fierce lark]

so what multipliers are you using to fill the missing 330% elemental damage? which is already almost 4x more than the base 90% toxin mod you’re sticking with

[undone dust]

oh but toxin dot!!

[quartz pine]

slam mesa is unironically better yeah but it aint rly the point 😭

[undone dust]

wrong, i only have 2 (praedos is eternally locked in my melee)

[neon wharf]

surely not elementalist

[river palm]

truth bomb

[fierce lark]

oh i see

instead of 255% corrosive you’re slotting 150% tox

that is

not better by any stretch

[undone dust]

nope it's better, we're playing golf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276816177762533398/1459049230923464704/IMG_2647.gif

[unborn veldt]

do yall think mesa+bonnet interaction will be changed in the future

[undone dust]

bouncing turret

[unborn veldt]

I dont think theyd want a mesa this powerful tbh

[fierce lark]

if anything id be looking for things to replace galv shot

[mighty flare]

what?

[fierce lark]

adds to strength, adds to flare because everyone hates outburst

[unborn veldt]

not only do i not have to jump and recast now but I have functionally infinite uptime until I have to recast bonnet

[undone dust]

finishers are BORING and for NERDS

[mighty flare]

bb mesa is just energy?

[latent adder]

For bouncy

[unborn veldt]

also forgot the niche part where im technically moving up and down making it harder for enemies to target me

[fierce lark]

i almost bought a ceramic riven

just for laetum

[neon wharf]

tbh with nourish you have the same uptime and more damage, just need to manually bounce

[undone dust]

what's the max combo you can get with a riven?

[neon wharf]

dont see why it would ever get nerfed

[unborn veldt]

statstick days are over i thought ceramic went with it cause ive never seen it used after statsticks were changed

[fierce lark]

uhhh i actually don’t know lol

i want to be able to use furax crescendo but it is annoying as hell to get finishers with

[undone dust]

truth!

[fierce lark]

unless you play naramon or vazarin

[unborn veldt]

i did test and nourish shreds eximus easier with fortitude but for general use enemies die really quickly anyway so ill probably use bb mesa in meta arbitrations

[undone dust]

bronco with aug, trust

[river palm]

vazarin perma slotted

[undone dust]

im a basic white boy i only use madurai

[neon wharf]

does exalted even target arbi drones? i dont play that gamemode tbh

[unborn veldt]

no it doesnt i have to manually kill them with a furis incarnon

[mighty flare]

mesa doesnt even work in arbis?

[unborn veldt]

i only run very specific defense missions where you can clear a wave in like 30-40 seconds with a good team

[river palm]

mesa is NOT part of the arbi meta

[undone dust]

best arbi meta frame

[mighty flare]

that sounds like ur just leaching off arbi squads with mesa 😭

[unborn veldt]

usually i can trust my teammates to destroy the drones in pubs

im sure they understand i cant kill drones

[river palm]

sounds like a leach to me

[undone dust]

let a man be a bum

[mighty flare]

be a bum on jade 💔

[unborn veldt]

i get the highest kills everytime i use mesa im doing my part

[undone dust]

pregnant bum

[unborn veldt]

how tf ive tried sending a ss of my mesa build and its only 8 MB but it WONT SEND

TERRIBLE WIFI GRANDMA

[river palm]

then you're not doing "meta" arbitration

regulators wouldn't be able to touch the enemies

[unborn veldt]

min maxed mesa i probably dont even need adaptation because im using fortitude for overguard

are you forgetting the arbi drones dont spawn on EVERY group just some

[mighty flare]

a "meta arbi" letting mesa get most kills does not sound like a proper squad

[river palm]

i mean that the enemies would be dying so fast they wouldn't even get in LOS

[unborn veldt]

when i say meta arbi i mean defenses where you can clear waves in under 30-40 seconds

not the people who inhabit them

prime examples are the europa defense and i think the one on saturn

[river palm]

you are using the term meta wrong

[undone dust]

zuck post more peak slam builds

[unborn veldt]

im gonna go clean my bathroom before my grandma thinks im a bum when she gets back

[river palm]

tissues everywhere

[undone dust]

my grandma is a lazy bum (she's dead)

[mighty flare]

gassy grendel incoming ❤️

[undone dust]

what LMAO

that is true unfettered ass

[quaint breach]

Btw any chance anyone has a chroma Profit taker build and a crash course on How to use him? I’m dumb

[mighty flare]

upkeep vex armor and ward

put the dragon at her butt before she completely falls down for lots of credits

[quaint breach]

Any subsume ideas and where to put it? I’m planning to put nourish over his 1

[undone dust]

do not use prosperous retriever or you die

[quaint breach]

Why

Or is it like bugged

[undone dust]

it's bugged with her cred drops unless they finally fixed it

[quaint breach]

Bruh

[mighty flare]

shock trooper to cover electric

[undone dust]

they technically drop in bundles so prosperous only actually boosts one of the bundles and shafts the other ones

[undone dust]

isnt nourish a method if you use surge on your amp

[mighty flare]

theres several methods, really depends on what you have

[undone dust]

i don't do PT enough, im too much of a bum

[mighty flare]

shock trooper for electric
energized munitions if using a deployed archgun
nourish/eclipse if not doing either

[quaint breach]

What if I use nourish for viral then modded everything else for some other thing

[undone dust]

energized sounds funny

[mighty flare]

pt setups look like this, you usually miss out on single-elements rather than combined, so shock trooper would be better to cover elements

secondary: viral heat rad mag ips
melee (zaw): rad, mag, corro, blast, gas, ips
leftover: electric, toxin

[undone dust]

sicarus incarnon!!!

[rugged ferry]

for Voruna
does duration increase Fangs of Raksh's condition duration?

[quaint breach]

Oh I have a gunblade ready to go, would redeemer prime be still good or nah

[mighty flare]

if redeemer has innate blast on the ranged attack, sure
otherwise no

[undone dust]

it does in fact have innate blast

it's what i used for like a day before i finally kicked myself in the ass to make a zaw

[mighty flare]

oh nice

would still make a zaw

[outer flame]

Hi! I'm looking for a good build for Hidroid, it's really fun playing with him xD

[undone dust]

hurry give him your smite build

[mighty flare]

i ran this caster setup with smite with 2-3 ability damage shards

[undone dust]

my goat

[granite mantle]

what should i aim for in boar riven?

[mighty flare]

you can also run a general weapon platform on hydroid
he has enough armor to ehp tank low levels with adaptation and health

[undone dust]

pyrotechnics hydroid, STAT!

i need to fix mine

[mighty flare]

still working on it, but circumvent really helps with thrax (og strip)
2 for grouping and ragdolling, 4 just felt so inconsistent
archon vitality + vigorous swap

[undone dust]

how high of range would you go with tidal then? ive been using swarm and i havent necessarily noticed much inconsistency but i havent tried it in cap yet

[mighty flare]

i use 0 range

[undone dust]

interesting does tidal's group range not feel small without any extra range?

[unborn veldt]

doesnt heat inherit work by dealing a really big source of heat and then stacking a bunch of lower damage heats on top of that?

[mighty flare]

not really no, hes mostly slot starved which was why i dont use it

[unborn veldt]

as in the damage of the heat proc is just the first and all subsequent heat procs just multiply that damage?

[undone dust]

i see.. i see

[mighty flare]

heat inherit refers to subsequent heat procs after the first inherit the heat% and faction%

[unborn veldt]

does this fire rate apply to everything or just the miter?

i put the miter in my mesa build to deal with nullifiers but that might be more reason for me to keep it in if its on everything

[undone dust]

just miter

[timber sparrow]

is it going right

[kind void]

friends i come with crazy news for those that play nidus

long ago nidus didnt want str since it didnt do anything for him. that time has come again

negative strength nidus is making a comeback

[coral crest]

Elaborate

[kind void]

ok so the biggest problem nidus has currently is that when he links to something it dies rpetty damn quick

well the only reason to run str is for stacks with insatiable augment

well just remove his 4th for omamori

at high levels it doesnt matter how much str you have since omamori will always heal you to full

so you can run negative str so that enemies take no dmg from the link and it lasts for ever

[coral crest]

"for omamori"

https://tenor.com/view/tired-sleepy-night-time-yawn-bed-time-gif-14423124

[kind void]

yah. persistence omamori combo is the best health tank setup in the game

it works on any frame

[coral crest]

If they have armor and a bit of status protection, yeah

[kind void]

doesnt need it.

only status thats any concern is slash and you can just arcane that out of the game

[coral crest]

You do remember that magnetic disables it, right?

[kind void]

you do know that there are almost no sources of that in the game?

[coral crest]

You know who constantly procs it?

[kind void]

mhm?

[coral crest]

Thrax units

[kind void]

cool just kill them

they are not very tanky

or just use arcane nullifier

if its that much of a worry

[coral crest]

That's 2 arcanes eaten

[kind void]

you dont need both. thrax dont show up very often

[coral crest]

Ok look

[kind void]

and slash doesnt eitehr tbh

[coral crest]

First of all

Does link work on overguard enemies?

[kind void]

yes it does.

[coral crest]

Then Nidus solves it at least

[kind void]

which i think is funny as hell

[coral crest]

But as much as I want to say

[kind void]

it wont stop them from moving and attacking though

[coral crest]

"yeah that's fair"

[kind void]

its how i cheese 1v1 in sim

link to them and let them kill themselves

[coral crest]

The "kill everything before it gets to you" argument is kinda meh

I do see your vision though

[kind void]

it only really works on enemies that dont have shields

[granite mantle]

what should i aim for in a boar riven?

[kind void]

but the basic vision is that at high level link kills enemies to fast

so run negative str so that it doesnt

[kind void]

and then omamori still heals you to full health while persistence keeps you alive forever

[coral crest]

Kinda hoped for something more interesting than

"remove str because we are removing a skill where it matters with something mundane"

But oh well

[kind void]

well its a return to the OG level cap nidus

which ran 0 str cause it doesnt do anything

[coral crest]

Can't he already just use persistence with base kit

[kind void]

same as health. and armor. and energy. and duration. and effic

[coral crest]

No real need for extra

[kind void]

tbh the only thing OG nidus needed was range

everything else was useless for him

[fierce lark]

so i just ran a levelcap earlier today on gauss

and

"just kill it first" is not a valid argument

because thrax will just laser you from offscreen sometimes

[kind void]

you need line of sight?

thats weird. also as a nidus i spit in deaths eye while i bang his wife

[fierce lark]

also you can't actually kill thrax legos while they're doing the funny laser, and it covers a pretty wide area

[coral crest]

And it's a magnetic proc

[kind void]

counter point i generate 100 stacks in less then 10 seconds

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[fierce lark]

stacks of what

if this is a nidus thing then idk, haven't played nidus

[coral crest]

Nidus thing. He's got death gate

So he just "survives" through that one

[kind void]

nidus has a death gate. if he has 15 stacks of mutation he just doesnt die

when he would die he doesnt and gets 5 seconds of i frames

[fierce lark]

anyways the only content in the game where persistence is relevant is levelcap runs, and levelcap runs are rarely run, and even more rarely run outside of void cascade

[kind void]

so i can generate stacks faster then i can ever lose them

true

[fierce lark]

so in the only content where persistence is relevant, you do see a lot of magnetic

[kind void]

but raidboss nidus sees all content as level 1

[fierce lark]

and nullifiers

and random kuva trokars kicking you out of frame

[red moat]

Has anyone tried marked for death on Ivara?

[coral crest]

That's a lot of words for "I can facetank stuff while shooting"

Not a huge achievement

[kind void]

yha but doing with all but a single stat beign completely irrelivent

[coral crest]

You know, there's a frame that can do it with just one stat

It's a very underrated one, borderline obscure

Ever heard of Revenant?

[kind void]

rev has 1 weakness. its called taking dmg

nidus doesnt have this weakness. since tanking dmg just makes him harder to kil XD

if rev isnt able to kill then he will run out of energy and die eventually

my nidus wont. cause my nidus doesnt need energy

[coral crest]

Revenant just needs viral priming to stay completely immortal for the entire mission

Aa much as it is unfunny to defend revenant, things have to be corrected

[kind void]

as i said. rev still needs to kill to get energy and stay alive

nidus doesnt even need that

[coral crest]

Wouldn't you want to kill things anyway?

[fierce lark]

y'know the other funny thing revenant has besides complete immortality?

level-scaling aoe damage that doesn't need range

[kind void]

want to yes. but unlike rev i dont need to

[coral crest]

Yeah

Revenant doesn't exactly struggle with "killing things"

[fierce lark]

actually revenant has two different scaling nukes lmfao he has his choice of bullshit to blow up the room with and then subsume the other one for w/e he wants

[kind void]

as i said. nidus needs less then rev to become immortal

[coral crest]

His 4 is also boosted against thralls?

[kind void]

all i need is a source of damage hitting me

[fierce lark]

rev presses 1 button and he's done, how much less could you need

[fierce lark]

no but it redirects incoming damage

[kind void]

does that need energy?

[coral crest]

Oh right

[fierce lark]

imagine reverse rotorswell but on giga crack

[coral crest]

Yeah ik, just don't remember whether it did anything for the thralls or not

[kind void]

does rev have a fully infinite way of getting energy that doesnt require himn to get kills

[fierce lark]

nah if you're playing danse danse revenantolution you subsume roar over 1

[coral crest]

1 is definitely funnier and more interactive

[fierce lark]

it also makes him a weapons platform

[coral crest]

And you can have a precision intensify subsume

[fierce lark]

you can either use thralls to nuke with reave or you can leave them up and gain 238428483% weapon damage

[coral crest]

Yeah, Nidus has a lot more stuff to do to keep the rapidly draining immortality

[fierce lark]

actually yes

[coral crest]

You're talking like there's literally zero energy anywhere

And like you have no weapons

[fierce lark]

if you have any form of energy sustain whatsoever, ie sitting in a zenurik wellspring or having a kubrow dig up orbs, you can sit in mesmer skin forever

[coral crest]

Powerscaling ass debate

Nidus (bloodlusted)(betrayed)(locked in a hyperbolic time chamber for 5000 years)

But anyways yeah Nidus wins because his deluxe looks cooler than Revenant's

I rest my case

[fierce lark]

idk this weird vania helmet the game keeps trying to make me build wins

[coral crest]

What is a revenant main?

A miserable little pile of secrets

[undone dust]

dryzz:

[fierce lark]

i got clowned on awhile ago in another disc for saying revenant is just a better rhino

[kind void]

yes.

[coral crest]

What wait really

[undone dust]

i ate it all

[kind void]

see rev requires more active energy drops

[coral crest]

Ok sky thank you for providing a more fair environment

[undone dust]

you're welcome my beloved

[kind void]

his entire tanking setup requires him to kill enemies to get orbs

[coral crest]

He... Doesn't really need that?

[undone dust]

yeah maybe if you have like 1 stack per cast

[coral crest]

You can just pump str and go to sleep

[fierce lark]

or equip energy nexus

[coral crest]

You're mistaken. That's what Nidus does

[kind void]

hgmm yah energy nexus would work

[undone dust]

im killing you

[kind void]

nidus wouldnt use that. since he cant die i would just use range

[coral crest]

There are tons of ways because mesmer skin isn't a channel

[kind void]

they hit me once and i now have full energy

[coral crest]

With high str you can sit in it for like a minute

[kind void]

onl.y 2 passive ways though. nexus and rage/hunt adren

[coral crest]

By that minute you either ate an orb or had regen take it all back up

[coral crest]

Are we even playing the mucking game

[kind void]

not right now

we are arguing who needs less to fully afk

[coral crest]

We did?

[kind void]

so while they both have a 1 button afk

[coral crest]

I thought we just made fun of each other for no reason

[kind void]

i still think nidus does it ebtter

[kind void]

i have no idea XD

but doesnt rev need str for his stacks to do well?

[coral crest]

I'm busy building Kunai Incarnon because I have been brainwashed by a limbo player

[fierce lark]

the answer is gracenaros

[coral crest]

Not really. It just makes them last even longer

You can legitemately stay afk for minutes with high str

[kind void]

ok but if you gave him negative str how would they do?

[coral crest]

Ok but what if, imagine

Negative everything else, and only str

Revenant beats Nidus at his own game

Komi table thrown at the wall

The stones are all over the place

[kind void]

nidus can run negative everything....

[coral crest]

I ate at least one of them

[brittle sleet]

What if we rigged the game so MY favorite wins instead?

[coral crest]

And currently choking on the floor

[kind void]

you would have to prove its rigged

since its not ther isnt any proof XD

[coral crest]

You already said "no energy"

That reads as "rigged"

[kind void]

i said no active energy

so no orbs. no operator.

[hard dove]

How much messmer skin do you get at 2550% strength + augment anyway?

[coral crest]

Yeah energy nexus solos

[brittle sleet]

"Yeah but you need to be able to do it with this stat negative too"

[kind void]

hunter adren and nexus are good

[kind void]

negative stat shows that stat isnt needed to afk

ngl im learning alot about rev right now XD

[coral crest]

https://youtu.be/lpQow7eX9mk

[kind void]

jesus XD

whats revs base charges?

cause at this point we both can pretty much afk forever it just comes down to how long that forever has

[brittle sleet]

6, it looks like in that screen

[kind void]

rigth fair enough XD im blind

how long do they last?

[hard dove]

Nidus is better here no?
Parasitic link last 60 second at base duration

[kind void]

why use that?

[brittle sleet]

Arcane Grace Inaros has no duration

[kind void]

link doesnt make him immortal at all XD

[hard dove]

Last until hit, 1 sec cd between hit

[hard dove]

Grace + persistance

[kind void]

true but also it takes a full build for inaros to pull that off

he needs to hit 10k health for grace to out do persistence

[tulip merlin]

Thoughts on my scindo prime build?

[kind void]

anything less then 10k health and he will slowly bleed out over time

[kind void]

personally i would drop zerk for pfury

and organ for glad might

but thats me personally. looks good though

[coral crest]

Did you know if you don't use a projectile speed evo and have a negative projectile speed riven on it, then the incarnon projectiles would start flying backwards?

[kind void]

i would also try to slot in a smite since its tripple dips on influence

[fierce lark]

this gets a pretty big mesmer, i think 22 after augmented is stacked

another 2 if i sling first

[hard dove]

No brightbonnet?

[undone dust]

im gonna sling something on you

[coral crest]

My mouth is wide open

Throw your worst

[undone dust]

this is why i enjoy your existence

[tulip merlin]

I don't have primed fury unfortunately 😅

[undone dust]

quickening is also nice but if your inital kill is easy to get bfury is fine

[kind void]

do you have gladiator vice or quickening

[tulip merlin]

I do

[kind void]

yah thats why i said its personal preference. i hate how slow that first kill can be sometimes and if i lose the stacks it hurts my soul

[kind void]

what crit level do you hit?

cause thats important

[fierce lark]

the focus is more on 4 than 2, that’s why roar is over 1 instead of 4

otherwise id put bb over 4 and run the 1 augment for billion damage

[undone dust]

morbillion

[timber sparrow]

whatever no one answered here but i have this now

[tulip merlin]

Orange crits mainly

Occasionally I'll get red

[pastel agate]

Are any of Valkry’s abilities worth replacing with a subsume? Not really sure which move to remove and what to replace it with tho beside wrathful advance cause all of her moves seem relatively useful

[fierce lark]

pathogen should be pistol pestilence, convulsion should be primed or jolt, sure shot should be target cracker/magnetic might and scorch should be lethal torrent

oh and enervate, very important

[fierce lark]

a buff or some kind of qol over her 3. roar, nourish, wrathful advance, silence, molt, lycath’s hunt, etc

[tawdry swallow]

Opinions on my Laetum build (evolutions are rapid wrath, lethal rearmament, elemental excess, devouring attrition)

[pastel agate]

Oh some good ideas

Hm maybe I’ll just give her nourish too since I am currently running her with arcane battery but can’t get enough energy drops to be able to fill the new max limit on the energy meter since she seems like she has solid armor

I also have roar unlocked, but tbh I don’t really know if she needs another damage buff considering how many things will be boosting her damage already

Wonder if I should subsume my Kullevro now or just wait til his prime comes out before I do it cause I do like using him a lot and don’t feel like grinding or buying another copy of him

[timber sparrow]

1. i dont have enervate and im not using it on purpose even if i did because its kompressa
2. this build isnt for crit
3. i dont have any of the other mods you suggested

[fierce lark]

you asked if it was going right ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near vortex]

enervate is easy to get and it's actually cracked on Kompressa because overstacking

[fierce lark]

in the day of our lord enervate, it's either a crit weapon or it's a primer

also that, it's functionally broken on anything that explodes or splits

and does way more than it's supposed to

[tulip merlin]

I revised it a bit

[icy light]

Auuuuughhhhh spoiled for choice here in resurg.

Dual Keres Prime or Venka Prime tbh? I'm planning to get Hystrix for the options it has. For elemental dmg.

[fierce lark]

think venkap is the best claw weapon, out of the 3 available

[viscid dragon]

New here, can someone please direct me towards a good grenade fan protea build that's able to nuke as well? Thanks

[coral crest]

grenade fan is just a core part of her kit regardless bc of hold cast being the source of instant shields

your best bet to "nuke" with protea is either simply upkeep turrets or use 4

build up the damage quickly and explode early

to make more use of the grenades you can run an augment that makes them armor strip enemies when 4 is active

[timber ocean]

this any good

[spiral chasm]

if u want easy survivability u can slot in fast defelction and r0 arcane aegis

[timber ocean]

refuse to shield gate

[spiral chasm]

dont u need str for roar?

[timber ocean]

its so dumb

[timber ocean]

didnt even realise i had roaro n himn

[spiral chasm]

then remove shield with persistence 👍

no more shield gate

as long as u have shields u automatically shield gate so idk why u hating

[fierce lark]

adaptation without any other form of durability is pretty garb

in any content where adapt could be relevant, you'll die before it gets stacked

[atomic talon]

would this be good on Caliban

these are my current shards

[fierce lark]

🤔

i don't actually know if otholysts' electricity damage includes status, it doesn't say so anywhere

[covert scaffold]

Wanted to ask, since I'm getting him out of the oven tomorrow. What does work best on Nezha? Without subsuming anything, I mean

[atomic talon]

testing shows they only apply Tau status

wait does Caliban deal lightning damage or have i just gotten mixxed up because I use the lightning aura

spin does

buuut it doesn't apply it. so I suppose it would be useless

[fierce lark]

the ortholysts deal lightning damage, and they do deal lightning status, a metric shitton of them

[atomic talon]

I did not observe that in testing

[fierce lark]

i did

[latent adder]

No

[atomic talon]

i wish DE would let us enjoy sim. the best enemies i can spawn die too quickly

[atomic talon]

this is what im seeing

granted jackals are immune to CC. idk if that disables the augment

[latent adder]

Yeah augment won't work if nothing is dragged

+Ability dmg doesnt apply to ortholysts

[atomic talon]

ok well there's that

ortholysts not getting ability damage kills the entire idea. nobody builds caliban for the spin damage

[fierce lark]

yeah orthos are weird, they do get buffs though

why nourish is kinda good

[atomic talon]

well to post shards again. what should my last two slots be

[atomic talon]

Sadly I refuse to use it on principal

[fierce lark]

very unfortunate principal

especially when it does something actually unique, like giving your summons viral damage

[atomic talon]

The meta in me agrees. the contrarian says Nourish is overrated

[fierce lark]

nourish is overrated

but this is one of those times where it's actually better than roar and probably any other conceptual alternative

[latent adder]

Brightbonnet is nice

[atomic talon]

only subsumes i think i'd ever use are helminth abilities

[fierce lark]

🤔

[atomic talon]

or maybe something for a meme build.

[latent adder]

The bad thing abt nourish on high str caliban is it messes your weighting so u cant take advantage of tau status and status dmg

[atomic talon]

tau status is nice

[fierce lark]

🦀

[atomic talon]

but hey uh what archon shards do you guys recommend for the last two slots

caliban is my calibaby and i want him to look his best for the next story update

[near vortex]

Build has evolved to its final form

[coral plank]

Ok

[latent adder]

What do u have currently

I ust run 3 str 2 cast

[velvet pulsar]

Oraxia and Voruna can proc melee careen even when their 4th abilities remove the melee usability

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[velvet pulsar]

Hildryn and Jade can do that as well but not Titania (not even during backflip)
https://youtu.be/KMlvA2dZVvk?si=GHLueh3CatMWtDGO
Mesa can use it if you have Mesa's Waltz

I haven't tested if summoning archgun can disable melee careen, but I think the answer is yes

[crimson osprey]

Hey, are there any updated redeemer prtime builds? mainly steel path, engame stuff, not eidolons

overframe is.. dubious at best

[coral notch]

ive seen ppl put archon stretch on nova multiple times, is there a reason for that? she does like blast with her abilities or something does she not?

[fierce lark]

probably diriga

[old marsh]

Companions can proc some but not all archon mods

Stretch is popular coz free energy

[reef leaf]

There's some marginal stuff, but if I was tight on capacity then I would skip it on Nova

On basically anything, actually

[coral notch]

ohh i see thanks

[fierce lark]

if you're using un-forma'd stretch, replacing it with archon stretch is +1 forma and you gain 1 capacity

it is a significant amount of free energy if you mainly use diriga

[plain drum]

does the mecha set only work for kubrows? and do i have to equip one in my companion if or can i just put it in aura slot and still be able to trigger the effect?

[coral plank]

Enough Strength?

what mod in a hound does it give you overguard?

[wicked scaffold]

does anyone know any frame that is fun with thermal sunder?

other than gauss, obviously .

(and nezha, i already have a pyrotechnics nezha)

[deep grotto]

I saw a nova spam it in Sanctuary once

[mellow nimbus]

What valence bonus element should I change to with my acid shell kuva sobek with saryn?

[fierce lark]

it doesn't really matter. you can do magnetic to help with thrax and eximus, or you can do cold to save a mod for pure viral, those would make the most sense

[mellow nimbus]

Sorry I'm still confused with the saryn sobek combo,
Why does it matter to be pure viral? Can't I include prime charged shell for more damage? Even if it makes it viral electricity?

[hexed lodge]

It's sow's ticks, sow for some reason acts as universal damage, so it can benefit from Secondary Fortifier but i haven't done tests to see what else benefits it
fyi, to get the overguard, cast sow then jump into shadow/operator then back to sev

[fierce lark]

the idea is that the acid shells explosion also applies toxic lash to any enemies it damages

the toxic lash dot scales off of acid shells' initial damage, as well as your gun's total damage, status damage, and faction damage on your gun, with toxin mods double dipping and faction mods triple dipping

toxin damage in general has better scaling towards toxic lash focus builds. im not 100% sure if 60 tox is better than 165 elec, but losing the status and toxin and adding electricity will take a lot of weighting away from viral which will lower the overall damage of toxic lash to your main target

[mellow nimbus]

Awesome! Thank you so much!

[coral plank]

Huh, you're right, though only my Shadow works for it

[crisp pine]

btw, what is your opinions of Rolling Guard vs Rapid Resilience?

[fierce lark]

rolling guard clears

on top of cleansing it's also complete immunity for 3s

[karmic badger]

Rolling guard because its another thing you can throw onto the roll button

[hexed lodge]

Oh you're right, DE patched that interaction between operator and Universal damage
for context, look up "phahd universal damage"

i guess they forgot the shadow for that... time to grab my lab coat~

[sudden finch]

Any protea prime build?

[fierce lark]

i do not protea

[sudden finch]

Alr

[crisp pine]

i kind of do not like rolling all that much but eh. Rolling is a bit of free action

[karmic badger]

Melee careen, arcane circumvent, rolling guard, all on Limbo. Voila maximum rolling

[reef leaf]

I use Thermal Sunder on Titania

[forest pivot]

What augments do I need for gyre

[mighty flare]

most important are cathode current and conductive sphere

[pallid quiver]

Do u need both?

[coral plank]

Btw, does the Topaz's Radiation Ability Damage increase also work with Reap?

[mighty flare]

if you're doing a general weapon platform? yes
if caster setup? just cathode current is fine

[forest pivot]

I'm on caster setup

I tried the weapon platform but

• elec on primers/guns doesn't seem to work with gyres passive
• elec on guns isn't very good in the first place
• I could run influence but atp why even play gyre

On a side note is cathode current just there as a pseudo Eternal War

Just to make her 4 infinite duration

Or do the 200% discharges actually matter

[mighty flare]

usually just for the duration, 4's damage is very weak unless building for it

[pastel agate]

How useful is arcane energize? Been wondering who good the occasional energy boost is

[weary willow]

could I improve this further (aside from slotting in Amalgam Organ Shatter and switching out PP for PPP)

[hard dove]

Youre doing radiation dmg on heavy attack here

You want 60/60 fire and cold mod to do blast and then 90 elec

[fierce lark]

elec on guns is better than heat in a lot of cases, those cases usually being targets don’t live very long and the higher damage ceiling of heat is worse than elec’s instant first tick + aoe + headshot potential, and there being a primed elec mod for shotguns

also modded elec buffs the damage of forced elec statuses from conductive sphere

you can also skip the modded element entirely and save a mod slot with primary elec shards if there’s something else you can add

[weary willow]

oh right
thank you

what do I switch out though? since ideally Amalgam Organ Shatter would need to be somewhere

[hard dove]

Pressure point
You already have CO + killing blow

[weary willow]

isn't there an interaction between CO and PP for the Syam's Heavy Projectile?
or am I tweaking

[fierce lark]

there is, but Killing Blow is additive with PP

it's base damage, you slot it in place of PP/PPP because it adds heavy swing speed

you want 60 elec mod over 90 if you have it, light influence gets to use weeping wounds for 440% status chance but you need all the sc you can get from mods, especially if you're wanting to slot melee ele instead of galvanized

[hard dove]

CO is multiplicative with base dmg
You already have base dmg with killing blow

[weary willow]

oh

[weary willow]

I'm doing my best to wrap my head around this, sorry if I'm not catching on very quickly
so do I have to slot WW? I mostly see heavy attack build like these to not have them at all

[fierce lark]

no, because it's a 5x heavy build you would only get 160% status from ww, not 440% like 12x builds do

[weary willow]

oh

yeah fair

[fierce lark]

that's why it & blood rush aren't slotted unless it's a crescendo build or has an IC incarnon

truthfully im more curious about the blast

[weary willow]

same tbh

[fierce lark]

probably something to do with the waves piercing with influence and spreading multiplying blast procs

[weary willow]

that sounds about right

?

(I still have to grind thermia fractures)

[fierce lark]

melee elementalist over shatter

[weary willow]

why so?

[fierce lark]

they both have heavy wind-up speed, and you're already getting crit damage from galv steel

[weary willow]

oh real
I did not notice the wind-up speed from galv elementalist

[fierce lark]

galv elementalist doesn't

melee elementalist does

[weary willow]

oh what

oh melee elementalist

[fierce lark]

that's why it's run instead of galv on most heavy spam builds

[weary willow]

oh I see, fair enough

are there any noticeable performance differences between running melee and galv or not really?

[fierce lark]

if you run galv, you will swing slower but have more status chance

the speed is usually valued higher

[weary willow]

just to get more attacks in?

[fierce lark]

yes

however that may also be because a lot of heavy spam builds use exposure, or afflictions with a weapon that force procs statuses on heavy

[weary willow]

weapons that force procs statuses on heavy??

if I were to build exposure though what would change?

[fierce lark]

instead of spreading statuses through influence, you'd just be doing an extra 240% damage as corrosive so long as you use an ability every 20s

[weary willow]

oh

influence just makes status spreading a lot easier
exposure just does more damage outright

?

[fierce lark]

exposure does more to a single target yeah, influence will clear groups better

[trim lance]

Hello i need advices in building gauss with heavy power

[hollow scarab]

does anyone have a build for the hate and what incarnon perks to try and get as close as i can to damage cap?

[wanton raptor]

a quick question about melee exposure: if you have it equipped on your actual melee then use an exalted melee, you still get the corrosive damage because its on your buff bar, correct? i'm inclined to say yes but; alas

[pastel agate]

Is Gauss prime worth investing in and are his signature prime weapons also worth getting

Tho I could try to get the blueprints for the normal versions of his signature weapons but idk how

[vagrant anvil]

Acceltra prime is fun but can be a bit of a pain ammo managing wise

[fringe magnet]

Any pointers on my Lavos build?

[pastel agate]

Hm ok

So either try to increase the ammo count or just make it reload faster?

[vagrant anvil]

Use an exilus ammo converter

[pastel agate]

Never heard of that before

How do you get one?

[vagrant anvil]

For example

[pastel agate]

Oh

How about his signature secondary?

[vagrant anvil]

Idk havent gotten to it yet

[fringe magnet]

||or play with a Lavos for universal ammo packs||

[pastel agate]

Well, I guess I can think about it later

Gauss himself is really cool and his design is fun

Bro is speed

[vagrant anvil]

He has a good kit and is a good solo frame as well

[pastel agate]

Yeah, doesn’t feel like he needs any subsumes either

And also his fire skin is kinda cool

[karmic badger]

Gauss himself is great, and you can either go for a weapons platform or a thermal sunder nuker. As for his weapons... They suffer from AOE ammo economy. The Akkarius has the damage to at least justify it somewhat, but the acceltra is a noob trap that's only good for level 60 or lower

[acoustic bluff]

You should prob shield gate

Lazy gate*

[coral crest]

Lavos can also run Persistence very well

But please don't tank efficiency on him if you actually want to use abilities

It reduces the amount of cooldown reduction you're getting from 1 augment and 3 considerably, slowing him down a lot

[bitter sinew]

What ability should i use to subsume for a wisp support build to help my newbie friend ?

[coral crest]

Well of Life might be good

It's heal, status immunity, and one death save on a cooldown

And spawns a lot of orbs with an augment

If you really want to babysit with a wisp and a subsume

[bitter sinew]

👍 thx

[past jungle]

Just oberon and they can't die

[ivory stirrup]

yo what do i build on my garuda prime cuz ive tried multiple things and the dmg js aint adding up

[vagrant anvil]

Whats your current build?

[fickle hound]

how much should I pay for this?

[nova swift]

Seems pretty decent. Valence formation is very nice if you like to shoot and running mecha set can also do funny things if you prime > catalyze the mecha target

if you dont like swift bite the probe augment is pretty nice too because once it becomes stationary every tick on an enemy reduces cooldowns instead of 1 per enemy

exhibit A

If you tend to die too much besides shield recharge reduction spam you can also run persistence if you have a good way to heal. Personally I like running a nikana (usually Syam for funi influence waves) /w daikyu amalgam or a furis secondary with its augment

[pallid quiver]

What’s thermal sunder

[violet comet]

Is acceltra good for uriel

[karmic badger]

His 3rd ability

[karmic badger]

Uriel offers external fire rate buff and heat damage. The acceltra benefits from it like any other weapon

[violet comet]

So how would I mod it and would it be good for steel path?

[edgy oxide]

Crit chance
crit dmg
base dmg
fire rate
multishot
element
element/flex
flex

general use type build not specifically sure if the acceltra wants anything special

for the elements you probably want corrosive or magnetic for armor/overshield on sp

[violet comet]

Yea u was thinking corrosion

[edgy oxide]

prob better for mag if you have another armor shred choice

corro good too i think

overshield can be tougher than armor sometimes

Id say mag though actually

Cause you are running uriel who Does heat procs

heat procs reduce armor up to 50% so youd want a magnetic gun for overshields

[violet comet]

Yea but I also need help modding I'm in steel path but somethings I still don't understand about modding

Most of my help came from a friend and we don't talk anymore

[edgy oxide]

which part

[violet comet]

I'm just bad at modding stuff for certain stuff and when I mod it from like a youtuber or a build u found Idk how it works or to use it

[edgy oxide]

general idea:

most guns want crit chance and crit damage and multishot and elements - that’s like 5-7 of the mod slots right there

Hybrid builds are almost always better (so mixed crit and elements)

arcanes are where things can get kinda wacky sometimes

[violet comet]

Yea but when u mod smt and I know how it kinda works it doesn't do as much damage as I hopped or what they showed it does

And I also don't know how to mod for like crit or status but when u do I don't understand how it does so little damage

[vagrant anvil]

Does she even need so much range

U could use the umbra strength mod instead of Augur one

[old marsh]

10p at best. it has super low dispo

[scenic echo]

What about cunning drift?

[vagrant anvil]

Should I use a augment on atlas hmm

[ivory stirrup]

dont have an adaptar

[old marsh]

yesnt

[vagrant anvil]

I use him as a one punch man
So probably not

[solid bison]

I got a riven for the hate, but I lowkey have no clue what to roll it for

It’s elec, tox, and range off rip

[floral sky]

Does anyone have a good diriga build or build for a weapon to use on the diriga

[violet comet]

Does anyone have a good steel path build for vinquibus with uriel

[safe snow]

I’m working on a Uriel build that focuses on ability strength (nuke), good duration and range while also having decent survivability

PLEASE let me know your thoughts on it I’m open to any constructive criticism

Aura:
Growing power

Mods:
Primed continuity
Equilibrium
Umbral intensify
Flow/Primed flow
Stretch/ (augur Reach maybe?)
Arcon vitality
Augur Secrets
Amars Hatred (not so sure)

Arcanes:
Molt Augmented
Arcane Concentration (not so sure)

Still deciding Shards for now

[midnight horizon]

For arcanes use camisado and hotshot, everything else good...not too sure about the amars hatred tho but yeah

[fallow mist]

so tried the laetum build without stacking damage additives and im doing less damage

[near snow]

for my build do i put 5 orange shard which gives me max 75% sec crit chance everytime i kill an enemy inflicted by heat or 3 of them and 2 corrosive shards

[proud anchor]

Can you show your build?

[fallow mist]

sure. give me a second

Config A is doing more DPS than the other one

[karmic badger]

Are you using the 2000% damage perk?

[fallow mist]

yes

[karmic badger]

That's multiplicative with base damage

[fallow mist]

im lost. people were saying stacking more damage was useless

[fallow mist]

here

[old marsh]

When additive yes. When multiplicative then no

[karmic badger]

For anything else, you're putting additive damage sources together, which is inefficient but on the laetum and other incarnons with the 2000% damage perk, having base damage like hornet strike or serration is worth

[proud anchor]

The first build has more base damage for the 2000% damage perk to work off of

[karmic badger]

Should you put every base damage mod together? No, just serration is enough

[fallow mist]

but maybe replacing frostbite w magnum force is a good move?

since im going for a non crit build, that is

or maybe even augur pact

[karmic badger]

You'd be running into diminishing returns

[proud anchor]

Id keep the cold mod so you can have viral status which helps a great bit

One damage mod and cascadia flare are enough for buffing base damage

[fallow mist]

i still have viral without deep freeze

frostbite *

[mental flame]

for the galvanized chamber mod it says this:
+80% Multishot
On Kill:
+30% Multishot for 20s. Stacks up to 5x.
but what exactly does this mean? stacks up to 5x MULTISHOT? so like 500% multishot? also, does the timer reset when i kill someone? how does it work?

[undone dust]

yes, 30 x 5 is 500

[mental flame]

yes, i know...
i wasnt sure because it sounds too good to be true

[undone dust]

30 x 5 is not 500 dude

[mental flame]

oh

[proud anchor]

Stacks up to 150% and stacks decrease by one every 20 seconds when you dont get a kill

[mental flame]

wait sorry im stupid

[karmic badger]

Its 150%...

[undone dust]

it's 150

holy shit

[mental flame]

sorry im tired okay

[karmic badger]

So you get an extra bullet and coin flip for another

[mental flame]

but stays at 150% if i continuously kill?

[proud anchor]

Yep

[karmic badger]

Yes

[proud anchor]

Technically 230% multishot overall

[mental flame]

is that is addition to the 80% multishot?

[karmic badger]

The stacks decay individually iirc

[mental flame]

well

[proud anchor]

It is

[mental flame]

nice

should i dump 30k endo on it

[karmic badger]

Yes

[proud anchor]

Yep

[karmic badger]

If you got the endo

[mental flame]

i got 31k
sold a lot of fish to a friend yesterday and he gave me these mods and endo lmao

[karmic badger]

Which... I probably should start maxing out mods.. My issue is that I'll have to reforma a lot of stuff

[fallow mist]

so should i replace frostbite w something else?

[mental flame]

need to be careful tho, 5 years ago i quit because of endo farming