builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

and you usually have to give something up to slot a faction mod

roar is always preferred if you have to choose

and have the option

[viral crown]

This is the exact answer I’ve wanted thank you

[fierce lark]

if your option is roar vs faction mod + a different subsume, roar is much simpler, works with abilities, works with all your weapons all the time, and doesn't take up a mod slot

and is usually stronger

[kind tendon]

Roar also works on some things that it really shouldn't and can give a good giggle. It's why I run Gas on my Rhino Prime.

[rocky aurora]

Reminder that my GOAT's passive (Garuda) is a multiplicative bonus that stacks multiplicatively with Roar for all weapons

[obtuse jackal]

do you mind making one for primaries?

[rocky aurora]

primaries are different

[obtuse jackal]

theres no like foundation so to speak for em?

for rifles for example

[fierce lark]

there is, but it's less globally applicable

[rocky aurora]

Well, for example, you have the Phantasma with straight ahh Crit stats but good Status, and then there's something like the Burston inc with fantastic crit stats

[fierce lark]

some primaries don't want crit, some are happy running 2-3 crit chance mods + vital sense, some want 3 elemental mods, some want 2, some want 1, some want galv aptitude, some literally can't use it

[rocky aurora]

melee weapons are just simpler

[obtuse jackal]

mmmmmmm ok I understand

[fierce lark]

melees are mostly divided into subtypes, but most melees are best used as a 12x combo weapon and all of them follow that exact same build blueprint

if you are going to light attack, that is the build

[rocky aurora]

inb4 someone says But what about Hate!

[fathom sky]

It's more or less the same idea. Damage (Sometimes shooed off to Arcane), Multishot, Crit Chance (Sometimes shooed off to Secondary Enervate), Crit Damage, then stuff like Elements, Elementalist, Faction, Fire Rate after that

[fierce lark]

if you wanna play hate just replace the elec mod with burning hate and run shock trooper lmfao

[rocky aurora]

or any other insert exception

ye

[obtuse jackal]

evervate?

[rocky aurora]

Secondary arcane that gives final crit chance

it's goated on something like the Kuva Nukor, which has ahh crit chance but super high crit damage

[fierce lark]

i could do a mockup for primaries and it would generally fit most of them, but it wouldn't be the optimal setup for every gun

[rocky aurora]

you'd have to make one for status inc, crit inc, status non inc, crit non inc, exception primaries, probably a couple others

[obtuse jackal]

what does inc stand for in this instance

[rocky aurora]

oh then you have the primaries that have like 3 different builds that are built differently but are still all viable

incarnon

[fierce lark]

this is the tl;dr for rifles

this is the tl;dr for shotguns

elec is flexible with heat, primed cold is flexible with 60 cold, fire rate is flexible with bane/magnetic if you have external

and galv damage is flexible for serration/point blank if your gun uses mostly aoe damage and doesn't work with galv apt/savvy

primary arcane deadhead/merciless are mostly the same, one is +headshot dmg -recoil the other is +reload speed and harder to keep stacked

that's like the bare baseline of "if you do this with most primaries your gun will probably function as it should"

[obtuse jackal]

ok I will use all of this thank you both

[royal tulip]

Does anyone got a lizzie build perchance?

Nvm I just looked back

[fierce lark]

(used with archon continuity)

[royal tulip]

Now im just looking for builds for uriels rifle (i downloaded your lizzie dw)

I think mines alr

Im doing well with it

[steep mist]

Hello, could someone please provide me a build for the Torid Incaron Advanced Steel Path plsss

[zealous rapids]

This look like just build for big numbers in stats, you missing a point with viral there, using 60/60 cold would be a lot better

[unborn light]

what should i subsume over my oraxias 1?

[valid cargo]

So whats the best mod/ arcanes for the operator

[velvet pulsar]

Dispensary or Smite or Inaros subsume

[normal glacier]

so i just tested cyte's second ability and it does not seem to add extra damage as it says in the description
tested on heavy gunner shot to the knee:
lex prime unmoded does 51 crit and 25 noncrit
gave it radiation it does 51 crit and 25 noncrit
gave it corrosive it does 51 crit and 25 noncrit

it should add 46% extra damage but it doesnt

tested grinlock on headshot it does 341 crit 59 non crit
gave it corrosive it does 341 crit 59 non crit

holy shit is that 150corr extra damage?

352 crit 84 non crit on neutralizer

so it DOES deal extra damage it just appears as a seperate damage number

im freaking stupid

[sick helm]

if i use a forma on nidus and then get nidus prime does it carry over or did i just play myself 😌

[old marsh]

No and yes

[sick helm]

so maybe

[old marsh]

It doesn’t carry over.

[sick helm]

kms

[old marsh]

But since Primes come 3 yrs later, some players do invest. But if a frame already has a prime or about to get one, never invest

[vagrant anvil]

Anyone have a good build for Vadarya Prime?

[acoustic bluff]

Just forma and use non current prime frames

Like there’s no point waiting 3 whole years when you can forma the frame like five times in 20-30 mins

[hard dove]

5 forma is like 58 plat

[quiet laurel]

plague star was like 2 months ago so people should still have forma

[hard dove]

I farmed over 100 and have 0 by now

[quiet laurel]

damn, I farmed over 300 and have barely used em

[cinder thistle]

I thought this was "build discussion" not "copy paste everything I say or you are dumb". Kullervo one shotting everything, why would I lose a slot for an augment that won't even have an effect because the enemies are dead ? You don't have to answer I'm good ✌🏻

[quiet laurel]

new copypasta dropped

[simple frost]

since chroma's cold ward is treated as melee attacks and can trigger melee weapon's buff
what's the best stick to use with it?

[acoustic bluff]

Er, zaw?

@quiet laurel idk how cold ward works, it is Zaw right

The best one or am I thinking of something else

[quiet laurel]

cold ward can trigger weapon passives

so anything with a good passive will work

the popular one was oraxias melee

[simple frost]

i saw some recommendation to use caliban's scythe for passive tau debuff and influence
but apparently the spider frame's (i forgot the name) whip with passive toxin also works

[acoustic bluff]

Oh hm

Vro I gotta build my chroma

[simple frost]

my braincell started working the moment i saw that trick as well lol

[quiet laurel]

the moment you build him DE will hit us with a rework and remove all the cool things he has just to make his 1 deal 500 more damage

[acoustic bluff]

500 more damage
2 thousand more armour

We’re also removing all of his wards

So people can do some real dr stacking

[quiet laurel]

and are adding invincibility to his passive

[acoustic bluff]

🥀

We’re making his 4 a mini nuke

AND removing the credit buff

🥀

[quiet laurel]

people abused the credit buff on chroma a little too much and so we have to take action

in compensation chroma will get 500 more HP

[acoustic bluff]

Noooo… my goat

[simple frost]

would be funny chroma rework actually makes his 1 good in exchange for the rest of the skill set

[acoustic bluff]

It would not be funny 💔

Every Chinese player in existence would blow that shit up

[simple frost]

nah, they are busy playing wukong

[quiet laurel]

DE would probably word it like "the general playerbase hasnt used chroma for his credit buff so we are removing it for simplicity sake"

[acoustic bluff]

💔

Only reason to ever use chroma is credit farming

[quiet laurel]

and arbis

[simple frost]

-# nah, that's just you

[acoustic bluff]

He’s used in arbis?

[quiet laurel]

he is arbi meta...

[acoustic bluff]

Ain’t no way

I feel like this is high tier bait

[quiet laurel]

nah bro

[acoustic bluff]

😭

[quiet laurel]

vex armor buff + reload buff from toxin ward for ogris reload for dps

[acoustic bluff]

Vro you’re getting kicked

[simple frost]

i mean
don't you love the dragon cosplay?
he can breath fire (lol)
and fly (lmao)
and shed his scale (nobody actually use it)

[acoustic bluff]

His 4 is arguably what most people use him for

[quiet laurel]

kinda outshined by volt nowadays but he is still there

[acoustic bluff]

The amount of people using chroma for credits heavily outweighs the people actually using it for general gameplay

Used to be different when he was meta meta

[simple frost]

i tend to treat his 1+4 as subsume slot tbh
but yeah, i don't usually use him as well, unless circuit demands it

[acoustic bluff]

Then they “nerfed” him

💔

[scarlet mason]

i have knell and riven for it. should i invest in a regular knell or get prime verision?

[vocal vector]

what would yall put on a damage focused grimoire?

[simple frost]

-# hope and dream
a weapon buff frame

[plain drum]

chat i havent seen a single person use temple after he released, is he ass or does uriel just do what he does but significantly better

[woeful shadow]

Can anyone please help my Equinox build, I want to be able to get as much out of day and night that I can

[deep grotto]

Knell vs Prime

Don’t bother slotting the riven on Knell Prime unless the stats are amazing

[simple frost]

i simply don't like his design so i didn't bother getting him
and uriel is goated so far

[fierce lark]

temple is an exalted primary frame, not really anything like uriel

the only similarity is having a button that applies aoe vulnerability

[coral crest]

And it's a different type of vulnerability

[plain drum]

isnt his gig other than being an exalted frame buffing weapons with heat and getting crits?, which uriel already does with arcane hotshot

i am lowkey interested but the backbeat thing is turning me off

[fierce lark]

every frame in the game can do that with hotshot and a companion priming heat, but there's a number that have innately built-in heat as well

uriel can play around just the 4, or the weapon buff, or play equally around both with similar stats (ideal since there's forced nuke downtime)

temple is just a heat/lizzie platform. if you don't like playing around the backbeat, you can't really play temple. you have to hit backbeats to charge ammo for lizzie

[vocal vector]

Dex sybaris or prime sybaris for incarnon?

[velvet pulsar]

Dex

You're lucky I was here when you asked this question

[vocal vector]

Whats better about the dex?

[velvet pulsar]

I've gone through this already, so I'll send screenshots

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Sybaris_Incarnon_Genesis

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1426948337877127389

[velvet pulsar]

TLDR: Elemental Dominance perk on DEx will mean that its incarnon form will always have more CC+SC stats than any perk of Prime on incarnon form.

[fierce lark]

dex better, that is all

[vocal vector]

thanks, now I just have to wait for incarnon ig

[calm thorn]

In my sleepless state, I thought it would be funny to try out a Health Tank Mag build. Testing will commence when I’m out of work

[vocal vector]

only 8 weeks till sybaris incarnon

cant u buy them with plat any time?

[severe bough]

When its in roat then u can buy it

[vocal vector]

see you sybaris incarnon in march then ig

[velvet pulsar]

Certain endgame time gate can't be skipped
Like incarnon genesis and tektolyst artifacts

[normal niche]

To people that roll riven cards, I was lucky to get a verglas and this is first time I roll a riven card. I am going for the crit chance to use the crit damage mod. But I cant decide what else I want. Right now I have these 2 options and both looks really good. I know I want Crit and just for status I guess multishot. Should I get status chance for last or think its fine to stick with toxin one I got?

[vocal vector]

tektolyst artifacts are not time gated tho?

[velvet pulsar]

They absolutely are
Each mission is 12 min time gated plus boss fight

Wisp shop rolls resources even slower

Shop sells materials worth only one artifact cost

[vocal vector]

thats not time gated tho??

with that logic everything is time gated because you have to play to get them

I can just sit down for a few hours and get a tektolyst artifact any time

[velvet pulsar]

Exactly

[vocal vector]

thats not a time gate

[velvet pulsar]

You won't get one artifact in one hour no matter what u do

[vocal vector]

thats still not a timegate??

[velvet pulsar]

Search the meaning then
Ask others, they'll agree

[simple frost]

timegate because you need to wait mimimun of 12m for a run
repeat like 30 times for an artifact

[velvet pulsar]

"When u specifically lock something behind a guaranteed amount of time"

Hence time gate

[vocal vector]

you are not going to get 1k plat in an hour either, yet its not time gated

[simple frost]

depend
you get 1k plat easy by buying
or do riven scam

[velvet pulsar]

That's completely possible

One lucky riven and boom

[vocal vector]

one lucky riven is not a farm??

you cannot farm 1k plat/hour anyhow

[simple frost]

yes
by getting a job

[velvet pulsar]

It's RNG

However the point is there's no fixed time decided for plat farm

[severe bough]

Sell -sd rivs for 3 k

[velvet pulsar]

For the artifacts, u can totally calculate it

[velvet pulsar]

Holy they cost high?!

[severe bough]

Just need to find the right people lmao

[simple frost]

you can't even buy the artifact lol
it's once only
you still need to farm to unlock the other 4

[velvet pulsar]

I have a Rabvee and Ceramic Dagger riven going -status duration

[simple frost]

people still buying ceramic dagger riven?

[severe bough]

Its pretty rare but some actually do buy them for much plat

[coral crest]

How's sybaris nowadays?

[velvet pulsar]

IDK, I have no intention selling it

[severe bough]

Good

[coral crest]

incarnon included, obv

[severe bough]

I love it as a thrax killer

[velvet pulsar]

Not even going to talk about incarnoff

[coral crest]

but what if you did

[velvet pulsar]

"Elemental Dominance"
Look at the perk in evolution 4

[severe bough]

Arbitration cascade wha

[coral crest]

uhm

okay moving on

[velvet pulsar]

[severe bough]

Just use survivors edge fr

[velvet pulsar]

Incarnon form decides that DEx is better than Prime

[velvet pulsar]

U need a lecture too eh?

[severe bough]

Wasnt dex from that one weird lotus missions once in a lifetime

I think i sold it

[velvet pulsar]

Once per year

It'll arrive again this year

[fierce lark]

this is not what timegated means lol

[velvet pulsar]

12 min per run.
Expect nearly 20 of each 3 resource in 3 runs = 36 mins + ~4 grace mins for boss fights.

~40 mins for 20 each

U need 150 each for one artifact

Nearly 300 mins for one artifact

[severe bough]

Just make me buy those artifacts whatever

[fierce lark]

if i can work towards earning something whenever i want, it is by definition not timegated

[severe bough]

I dont wanna play this mode ever again

[vocal vector]

plat is timegated with this exact logic because you cant really farm more than like 100-150 per hour

[simple frost]

pretty sure you can only buy one

[fierce lark]

timegating is artificially forcing you to not be able to get something by locking it behind something that only opens after a period of time

weekly raid rewards in an MMO for instance

[velvet pulsar]

"I don't want these players to get this thing below 300 min without buying from market, so my best approach is to fix the grind duration each run, hence time gate"

That time gate in question isn't lasting a week or a day, but some hours.

[vocal vector]

again, with this same logic everything is time gated because it isnt given to you instantly

[velvet pulsar]

That doesn't deny the fact that it is time gate nonetheless.

[vocal vector]

grind time =/= time gate

you cant summon materials for a new frame out of thin air, doesnt mean that they are time gated

[fierce lark]

you can actually with plat

you can do the same for the tektolyst artifacts too

[vocal vector]

only for 1

[fierce lark]

you can't do that with incarnon adapters afaik

[velvet pulsar]

Anything u can't buy with plat from market or other players isn't an extreme time gate

[simple frost]

you can

[fierce lark]

ones that aren't current in rotation?

[simple frost]

you can't

damn, you got me there

[severe bough]

Thats the thing just let me buy everything

[fierce lark]

yeah so they're timegated, because there is literally no way to get them until they come around

same with dex stuff

[velvet pulsar]

Is dex tradable?

[vocal vector]

thats not the same as taking a few hours to grind something because you can do that any time

[fierce lark]

i dont think so

[simple frost]

real
i'd rather farm something else and buy it with plat instead of doing the same game mod dozen of times

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah I think coz it has a potato

So it won't be tradable

[vocal vector]

is the kunai incarnon any good?

[simple frost]

i'd say nope from my experience

[fierce lark]

it's okay if you use a 4th evo which is a gigantic pain in the ass to use

[velvet pulsar]

HEAT SEEKING!

Have fun with a negative projectile speed riven (have pain charging incarnon though)

[simple frost]

if anything, i'm more interested in despair incarnon
once stalker drops me the damn blueprint

[vocal vector]

the switching one?

[fierce lark]

yes

[vocal vector]

its only 4 headshots, seems fine

[fierce lark]

swap from primary every 4s is ass

[velvet pulsar]

On the contrary I was disappointed that it doesn't have heat seeking, coz I got a -projectile speed despair riven and I gave it away in a clan giveaway

[gray quarry]

The missile knows where it is

[vocal vector]

the incarnon form has no duration, right?

[velvet pulsar]

U can run, but u can't hide!

[near vortex]

The missile knows where it is at all times. This is because the missile knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a deviation

[vocal vector]

what else is good this week besides the kunai

[near vortex]

Paris

[gray quarry]

😭 you forgot part of it

[near vortex]

fixed it

[gray quarry]

Much better

[near vortex]

I was using it earlier this week, it's kinda cracked unironically

[velvet pulsar]

Paris (& Skana to some extent)

[vocal vector]

I dont like melees anyways

[near vortex]

Deathtrap Trigger makes it hit reds sometimes

[vocal vector]

the lato seems fun but im not interested in paying 450 plat for the vandal lmao

[velvet pulsar]

Apparently there's only one lato vandal part I get all the time

[gray quarry]

The barrel?

[velvet pulsar]

I guess that was the one

[gray quarry]

Imma take a barrel from you

[vocal vector]

I played one round of eso for leveling and got a barrel today lmao

thanks for the 250 plat simaris

[velvet pulsar]

Holy

Gonna go check the market

[vocal vector]

sell it now bc the price went up a bit bc of the incarnon

went from like 170 to 250ish

I listed it for 250 and sold it within minutes

[gray quarry]

No no no, you should just slide me a barrel

[velvet pulsar]

Receiver

The cheapest one of all

[old marsh]

Been running ESO hundreds of times but never got a Barrel. Not gonna buy it ever.

[old marsh]

2p

[velvet pulsar]

I don't think I even ever got the BP

[old marsh]

Eh. BP is cheap. Barrel is where the real money is

[gray quarry]

I can see what lato vandal parts I got

Damn I only have reciever

[velvet pulsar]

It drops from SO or ESO?

[gray quarry]

ESO

[hard ibex]

what are some frames with PSF built into their base kit? i dont have it yet but ive had enough of being knocked down

[gray quarry]

Garuda, nezha, atlas, oraxia

Those are the 4 off the top of my head

[calm thorn]

Mag’s 4 should prevent knockdown if I remember correctly

And Gara’s 4

[simple frost]

Iirc gauss also has built in pfs?
Kullervo with s2
Danteh
Rhino
Technically all frames with overguards or with secondary fortitude

[karmic badger]

arcane circumvent

[simple frost]

Styanax with s4 augment as well

[coral crest]

Garuda, Nezha, Valkyr, Atlas, Oraxia, Lavos, Titania, Rhino, Kullervo, Gauss, Voruna, Dante, Qorvex, Inaros, Trinity, Oberon

Styanax and Grendel need an augment.

I'm not counting straight up invulnerability

Nidus is also here but he needs a lot of extra work if in coop

[gray quarry]

Wdym

[coral crest]

Parasitic Link can transfer status, but on an enemy

You have to relink a lot

[gray quarry]

It has a good duration,depending on the mission type you can chill in 1 spot with a linked enemy

[coral crest]

As usual, coop is the bane of Nidus

[gray quarry]

I didn’t mention coop tho

[simple frost]

Day 200 asking DE to allow Nidus to link companion

[coral crest]

Yeah, I had to specify, sorry

Voruna is probably the best on this list

[simple frost]

I'd say Kullervo
But to each their own

[coral crest]

There is no timer, there is no energy cost. It's just a toggle that works regardless of anything

[gray quarry]

Nah, I want statuses and dmg to transfer from nidus to the linked ally

[coral crest]

I am talking about effectiveness of stagger resistance

[simple frost]

Fair enough

[coral crest]

Voruna's takes literally zero effort

It's just full status immunity for literally nothing

No limitations

[gray quarry]

Voruna needs to be nerfed

[coral crest]

I think it can't even be nullified

[coral crest]

[gray quarry]

Iirc, no

[coral crest]

They buffed her recently

[gray quarry]

proof

[velvet pulsar]

She runs on four legs now

[velvet pulsar]

Proof is, see it yourself
If u still see 2 legs, then you're high

[gray quarry]

DE WHY

[gray quarry]

I don’t play voruna, so I see 2 legs

[coral crest]

i play voruna sometimes

shes fun, as a caster at least

[velvet pulsar]

I haven't played voruna for a long time now

[ripe roost]

does anyone have a steel path nataruk build? I use mainly volt I just dont have a great primary

[fierce lark]

galv scope flexible for bane/hammer shot if you don't like aiming, deadhead instead of longbow if you dont have it, serration flexible for bane/magnetic/radiation mods if you use deadhead

[ripe roost]

I need an adapter lmao

[fierce lark]

use speed trigger if you don't have primed shred

[ripe roost]

also dont have any longbow or vigilante

[fierce lark]

vigilante supplies is like 2-3% more damage not relevant

if that

[karmic badger]

radiation proc nidus transfer his status procs to his mesa ally

[ripe roost]

ah, yeah all im missing is the arcane slot lol

[gray quarry]

No no, no rad procs needed. Just link

[fierce lark]

if you dont have any arcanes yet just use the build as is, and then once you get deadhead you can keep serration if you want or swap it for magnetic capacity or bane

or hammer shot

[coral crest]

finally, a link that is actually parasitic

[ripe roost]

ive got max deadhead

just the adapter

[fierce lark]

time to kill acolytes

[vocal vector]

there is only kunai and kunai mk1, right?

[fierce lark]

yes

prisma kunai soon ™

[dapper glen]

i find a way to totally sustain the cost of umbra exalted blade
voruna skill + equilibrium

[vocal vector]

is that confirmed or what

[fierce lark]

no im taking the piss

although im a little offput by the lack of something

there's 4 bratons, 3 bos, 3 skanas, 3 paris', 3 latos

only two kunais

granted the skana prime and lato prime have been unobtainable for almost a decade

but still

[timid dust]

Hey guys I just got a nikana riven but I wanna know what stats would go well on it so that I can make some nice plat off of it.

[old marsh]

crit dmg is important. 2nd stat is flexible and is basically a slot in for any other mod u r gonna replace

[timid dust]

so CD and any stat?

[old marsh]

any stat u r gonna replace your mod with

[fierce lark]

he's trying to sell it

[remote mist]

still applies, most rivens sell for nothing unless the stats are worth replacing a real mod

[old marsh]

my b. i didnt even read the latter part

[fierce lark]

most rivens sell for nothing period

99.99% of rolls are getting trash price for whatever weapon they belong to

the roll doesn't matter unless it's a godroll or a really good roll when it comes to selling, most of the time

[old marsh]

ye. u can get like 20p for a Nikana trash riven. and if u get god roll on it then maybe 100p at best

[fierce lark]

and if you want to sell a good/decent roll for something above trash price, you're gonna be waiting awhile

obligatory

[timid dust]

I'd be happy with any roll worth over 80 plat

thats why i am asking

[old marsh]

good luck

[near vortex]

How much does a trash Kunai riven go for
I might be interested in getting one for my pocket acolyte killer

[fathom sky]

If it doesn't have at least two of CD, Range, Attack Speed it's immediately not worth looking at.

[fathom sky]

Especially with how low its Disposition is so far

[rugged ferry]

trying to pick a gun to use.
idea is its for all gamemodes. which..you'll see the difficulty in a secound. the idea is basically fun over easy room deletes. actually aiming and feeling satisfaction with each kill, rather than click button and not noticing each kill

first, is Lanka. 5m punch through, 525 dmg, ok crit. and....projectile. yeah its not aged well but feels good
2nd is Ambassador, specifically semi auto. similar to Lanka but more dmg, hit scan, no punch through but had a good AoE on hit.
and last is Perigale. 4 round burst, headshots can give it 100% efficiency. great stats. only problem is horrible max ammo, and if enemy doesnt have a HEAD, then you got 3 clicks per mag...and 10 clicks max.

which of these 3 would u recommend, and any advice for a build
frame is Wisp with Nourish and Cataclysm gate.

[near vortex]

Xoris

[rugged ferry]

for primary,. i already got a Falcor for melee

[old marsh]

u know whats funny. Nikana riven doesnt work on Dex Nikana. would be so good if it did

[quiet laurel]

cyte sobek, saryn sobek, oraxia sobek, cyte bramma, falcor, magistar

[near vortex]

Of the three, probably Perigale
Lanka is kinda ancient and really only sees use with Mag, otherwise Vadarya would be better

I've not used the Ambassador

[rugged ferry]

k 🙂

[old marsh]

Perigale. altho i dont see your 3rd mentioned

[rugged ferry]

Lanka, Ambassador, Perigale

[old marsh]

u only mentioned 1,2,4

[rugged ferry]

o.0

[old marsh]

nvm, i read somewhere 4 lol. ignore

[rugged ferry]

lol xD

fair

[glad blade]

Which pox riven roll is better?
+damage +ammo max +damage to corpus

Or

+multishot +punch through +status duration +recoil(negative stat)

[fierce lark]

they’re both awful

[rugged ferry]

reroll both
of the 2.....i'd say the 2nd. but its not even worth slotting like that

Multishot is nice
pucnh through useless for that
status duration...eh ok. toxin weapon

[jagged mauve]

hi I have been wondering what really is true for a long time
with blood rush, does it give 40% crit chance at 1x combo multiplier so it results to 480% crit chance?
or is it just none at 1x and then 440% at 12x? same with gladiator mods?

[fierce lark]

coda pox presumably has 0.5 or 0.55 dispo anyways

terrible riven wep

[fierce lark]

440, doesn’t count 1x

[rugged ferry]

1x no bonus

[old marsh]

u want MS for sure. 2nd stat is flex. can be dmg, SC or element based on your build

[glad blade]

The damage roll is 358 at max rank

[jagged mauve]

thanks guys

[glad blade]

I’m pretty clueless when it comes to rivens now, haven’t played in a very long time hahaha

Pox riven disposition is 4/5

[old marsh]

ideally its to get specific stats which u cant get otherwise

u can even use it to make viral heat in 1 riven instead of using 3 mods

[fierce lark]

you’re looking at rolls for the regular pox, which is a trash gun in general

[old marsh]

calling it a gun is funny

[fierce lark]

you’d want the coda pox from hollvania

the throwing disease

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-the-office-michael-scott-grateful-gif-17312618

[fierce lark]

infested ninjas

[glad blade]

Oh yeah fair, forgot the coda pox existed, only started 1999 the other day haha

[fierce lark]

there are some weapons where a good enough riven can push the base variant ahead of others, but idk any off the top of my head other than the knell

[scarlet bough]

Hey I need help what primarily should I use as a gun for guass prime

[worldly axle]

some one has a good lenz prism build? some like shot and destroy XD

[woven lynx]

is this build for lex prime incarnon any good? https://overframe.gg/build/468567/lex-prime/lex-incarnon-viral-heat/

To oneshot stuff like acolytes and shit

[compact cypress]

just imagine im using secondary outburst and my hotshot is maxed. what should change for making a good red crit mesa?

[timid dust]

swapping secondary outburst with cascadia flare i'd say

and the tau topaz shards

[woven lynx]

anyone

[compact cypress]

yeah those are on the way

[compact cypress]

anything to change with the mods?

was thinking about changing galv shot to scorch for more heat

[timid dust]

on mesa use growing power instead of brief respite

[hidden basin]

do you want blind rage on mesa?

[timid dust]

and exilus? idk, you can use mesa's waltz

[compact cypress]

yeah just gotta forma another time

[timid dust]

mesa doesnt need too much strength, he already has more than enough

[compact cypress]

brief helps out with the survivability and i lowk dont have it 😭

that is the reason ive used an omni forma there for the aura flexibility

[timid dust]

as for her regulators, i believe this is the best it can get, considering there isnt a primed mod for pathogen rounds

[timid dust]

you need 3rd and 2nd always activated

ofc mesa wont have survivability against infested and techrot 😭

[compact cypress]

yeah 😭

im just going to run brief till i finally get growing power

[timid dust]

i see you got nourish

So 1, 2, 3, always active.

[compact cypress]

doesn't it struggle a bit with a lower status chance? or is galv shot good enough on its own

[timid dust]

wdym

considering the fire rate she has, no

[compact cypress]

yk what yeah thats fair lol

should i swap creeping for prime gambit?

[timid dust]

you can even increase the fire rate she has with the furax wraith amalgam mod, but thats optional

[timid dust]

mesa needs all the primed mods i have above. ik its high investment but... thats mesa

[timid dust]

tbh thats the best you can do, on the regulator part

[compact cypress]

it isnt mesa without investing ur soul into her

[gaunt sapphire]

is it better to build the coda motovore for impact + melee exposure OR puncture + melee doughty?

[old marsh]

latter

[gaunt sapphire]

ok but what if my coda motovore has a heat valence bonus

[timid dust]

ye, you can also replace precision intestify with umbral intestify, along with constitution over narrow minded

@compact cypress

[gaunt sapphire]

i just bought it as my first coda weapon and it has heat and idk why

[old marsh]

put 5 forma and elemental vice and enjoy

[gaunt sapphire]

i dont think i have elemental vice

what drops that

[timid dust]

buy it from eleanor for 50k standing

[old marsh]

u will get tons. i wish would could trade it. i have 20+ doing nothing

[gaunt sapphire]

im rank 2 i cant afrord that

[vagrant lagoon]

yo is this good? also haha ass toss

[timid dust]

it costs 20 plat ;/

[old marsh]

rank 2 finished the entire storyline. now thats interesting

[gaunt sapphire]

im off my plat grind rn

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[gaunt sapphire]

with the hex

[timid dust]

i mean you can only buy it with plat, or with standing from eleanor

[gaunt sapphire]

im low with a lot of factions except for the 2 i like

[old marsh]

or get it from ETA

[gaunt sapphire]

whats eta

[timid dust]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[old marsh]

Elite Temporal Archemedia.

[timid dust]

Elite Temporal Archemedia

[gaunt sapphire]

that i think i have but that sounds too hard

[timid dust]

you can do it if you are rank 5 with either the hex or the cavia

[timid dust]

high risk high reward

-# (if you are lucky)

[gaunt sapphire]

wait

if it costs 20 plat does that mean its tradable

[fierce lark]

i prefer this for true oneshots

viral isn't necessary if your target dies in 1 bullet

(toxin multishot riven also helps)

[timid dust]

no. its like an orokin catalyst, arcane adapter

[compact cypress]

alrighty

any ways of keeping hotshot/flare up?

besides shooting ofc

[coral crest]

Hotshot is kept with abilities

[timid dust]

or just, copy this build 😭 (but with arcane hostshot over avenger and max mods)

[mighty flare]

Doughty is bait on the motovore, impact is the way to go for raw dmg

[coral crest]

Even pet abilities

So you can use a robotic pet with manifold bond

Slap some sort of dmg ability with a weapon modded on heat and it'll keep hot shot up

[woven void]

manifold? Lullaby of the Manifold???

CAST AND CRY CAST AND CRY 🔥🔥🔥

[timid dust]

i mean after investing so much on mesa i'd say you will use peacemakers a lot so that you dont care about the companion

[coral crest]

They asked for alternatives, so...

[fathom gyro]

What's a good subsime for Mesa? Roar?

[mighty flare]

Nourish or roar

[compact cypress]

any recomendations? I honestly dont be using anything other than diriga/nautilus/smeeta/adarva kavats

[coral crest]

Diriga can do it. All you really need is a reliable dmg ability on a robotic pet

Moa, Diriga, Hound

[old marsh]

Bright Bonnet

[coral crest]

Hounds are the most destructive

But also it comes with having to keep a dying pet alive

They pay it up plentifully though

[compact cypress]

so manifold bond + heat on its weapon basically?

[coral crest]

Yes, and a reliable damaging ability

[compact cypress]

wf ability or the companion one?

[coral crest]

Diriga has Arc Coil I think

[compact cypress]

yeah

[coral crest]

Companion, yeah

Hot shot is kept with abilities that inflict heat and pet abilities count

Manifold Bond adds forced procs based on your pet's weapon mods to their dmg abilities

So you add heat to a reliable dmg ability and it keeps hot shot for you

[compact cypress]

alright tysm

[fierce lark]

heat abilities do also proc flare on your secondary even if you don’t have it equipped

[compact cypress]

btw does the ability on my normal secondary matter much?

[umbral bison]

Question, when you polarize a warframe and rank them back up to 30 do they get better or are they just the same?

[robust skiff]

Trying today Laetum critical and it feels stronger than non critical. It’s true or just wrong feeling?

[compact cypress]

they get better in the sense of it allows you to save space on them, letting you use bigger mods on them, thus making the build better

[umbral bison]

Okay so it doesn't do anything to master them multiple times then

[fierce lark]

no

the only reason to forma is to add mod polarities for more mod capacity

[karmic badger]

That and spare capacity goes to increasing spawn energy

[glossy mauve]

On a scale of 1-10 how necessary is volatile quick return on a xoris build ?

[coral notch]

does this look okay so far? should I put fused resevoir which i dont have yet in the last spot or something else?

[fierce lark]

like...8

it's a blast radius increase on throw recall builds, larger blast radius = larger influence radius

[glossy mauve]

I made 2 builds
one for crit and normal dmg with volatile quick return
Second one with just statuses cuz big number and no cirt

[fierce lark]

crit is pretty much always better than non-crit if the weapon's stats support it, status procs take into account your crit modifiers

also you want viral+electric, rather than corrosive heat

(assuming you don't have arcanes yet)

you also want galvanized reflex asap

(and steel)

[fervent fog]

https://overframe.gg/build/954497/voruna/voruna-hybrid-melee-primer-wrathful-advance/

anything i should change here?

[tawny haven]

i'm trying to make a few arcane expertise builds
pretty sure the best use case is with abilities that scale with shields
i know parasitic armor, penance, aegis gale
what other stuff has both shield and strength scaling

[near crater]

Which of the shotgun mods do you guys recommend for hek? I have a Kuva hek and want to make the most of it (as with any gun obviously haha)

It's currently revolved around the Cannonade mod (locked fire rate for +Damage and Punch through)

I'll post a picture a little later

[near vortex]

The one melee arcane

[fierce lark]

melee retaliation

[fierce lark]

corrocold for boss 1shots, viral electric for general use

[near crater]

I have like... half of those mods

[near crater]

I'll see if I can get something good out of the riven, since I got it. Just have to reroll. If there's any neg fire rate with good positives, that's gonna be gold

[tawny haven]

that's only shield scaling, i'm looking for strength and shield scaling

[fierce lark]

there’s pretty much just parasitic, styanax passive and hildryn 4 augment

wouldn’t count penance because shield only affects the duration, and his base max overshield is already giving it like 2 minutes with some modded dur

[green solstice]

hey it this a bit too much aug for frost to run on?

[coral crest]

It has a fixed 2min cap so it doesn't even really matter

[fierce lark]

the only frost augments i even know of are the overguard one and ice trooper

[undone dust]

biting frost is the 200% cc and 200% cd on frozen enemies aug

[fierce lark]

oh that

avalanche applies full frozen to affected targets right

[undone dust]

yes

[fierce lark]

that’s probably good if you subsume over 2 and have half decent energy econ

[undone dust]

also if you just have a sentinel freezing enemies too itll proc

it's just frozen enemies in general

[fierce lark]

“frozen” only happens on 10 stacks of cold i thought (or from certain abilities)

does coolant leak apply frozen? thought it was just a couple cold

[coral crest]

It reads like 3 stacks with a 10s cd

I wonder

[undone dust]

it can

it's basically just arc coil for other sentinels, it stacks up statuses and its own innate status quick

it's almost always a must on my nautilus build if im not using verglas and just need it for priming

[fierce lark]

i never run it because the range is like 10m vs 30m for assault mode

on non-diriga

and if im using melee im using diriga

[undone dust]

it's nice on naut since cordon just always pulls into coolant's radius

plus taz cant have high enough cc for tenacious and god knows i love my weapon buffing

[fierce lark]

i had to take the time to lament in another server about how cold sucks

i use burst laser on diriga

specifically for that

tazicor on everything else that doesn’t have claws

[forest magnet]

Hey, I just managed to get a Tenet Glaxion for my Frost.
What's a good damage build for Tenet Glaxion?

[green solstice]

guess its a no to the question

thought its too much with Biting frost, avalanche and extra cold damage

[jagged mauve]

quick question, is overguard generated by arcane circumvent not considered for rage and hunter adrenaline? it is considered as self made and not ally made ofc yeah?

felt dumb that I was wasting a modslot

[cinder thistle]

I'm running the new Primary Debilitate on it so if you have it it's pretty effective. You can run like Magnetic and still proc elect/cold after the 10 mag stacks

[old marsh]

U need to take hp dmg for it to proc. It’s good on Persistence builds. Not Circumvent

For Circumvent u r better off using rolling guard

[near vortex]

doesn't rolling Guard have negative synergy

[old marsh]

different story if u pair them together

[near vortex]

With Circumvent you want to be rolling a lot and Rolling Guard you don't want to be rolling at all

[jagged mauve]

initially it was persistence and rage actually, only put circumvent wayy later, it was to ensure my shadow can revive me no problem (sevagoth)

[near vortex]

It's like Limbo, Rolling Guard sucks on him because you need to roll a lot but Circumvent works well because you already are rolling

[jagged mauve]

I run careen too

[old marsh]

u r worried too much. Try it out. See how it works for YOU. If u don’t like then don’t run it. But deffo try it out

[near vortex]

Most of the frames I've been playing have a status cleanse or immunity so I haven't needed rolling guard

[old marsh]

and ye. Careen is cherry on top

[jagged mauve]

rolling alot is kinda fun

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-roll-confuse-gif-11695636

[jagged mauve]

I get overguard and armor, they all frozen lol

[old marsh]

Ye. Lots of tools at our disposal.

[jagged mauve]

before I died cus I couldnt revive off of an overguarded enemy and I just stare at my impending doom, now I roll

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

Every eximus I see now

[jagged mauve]

I am the eximus now

[old marsh]

Reminds me of a certain frame that does that defense, shield & OG

And almost no one uses it

[jagged mauve]

was thinking who, maybe styanax, I have not seen anyone use styanax ever

I dont even know

[near vortex]

Not many people are touching Styanax when his prime is so close

[jagged mauve]

excited for the prime

the base shield on the non prime is already so high

is it like second to hildryn?

[fierce lark]

tied with rev prime for 3rd behind hildryn/prime

[thorn prism]

best mods for syam?

any1 have a good build?

[quasi stag]

Any improvements you would recommend for my Hydroid prime weapon platform build, i have 2 parkour shards 1 casting speed and 2 equilibrium shards all tauforged?

[gleaming oasis]

So i built this around a year or 2 ago and its not the best I can do now for a sunder nuke build. how can i improve on this?

[woeful shadow]

Anyone able to help with my Equinox build, I want to be able to use day and night and I did put on dispensary just so I wouldn't have to worry about energy.

[jovial lion]

idk if to keep that aura polarity or put something else there

any suggestions on what else to add here

if i change it that means ill have to look for a third vazarin mod to fill there tho

[mighty flare]

if doing health conversion might as well use battery instead of flow cuz armor isn't important stat even for ice avalanche cuz strength

wouldnt run blind rage on frost either, strength isn't too important and neg eff sucks

[dense geode]

any gyre subsume synergies? other than the 2 obvious ones (roar and nourish)

sm a lil more fun or creative

[jovial lion]

ive heard a lot of people run pillage

but thats a rather basic/simple one

[jovial lion]

tbh i dont even know if frost can kill enemies with his set

cuz if not archon flow is kinda just a slot waste

speaking of

is there any other frame besides frost with cold based abilities

besides chroma and chromatic blade i dont think theres anyone else

[dense geode]

it is more survivability so im not opposed to running it

but im mainly looking for a cool synergy

like mag w breach surgetho tbf thats very specific lol

[mighty flare]

i dont run archon flow yeah

[jovial lion]

i dont blame ya i love subsuming breach surge on my warframes

[dense geode]

its so fun yeah lol

[jovial lion]

i have like 3 or 4 builds already made around similar interactions with it

[dense geode]

i like fun but still optimal builds yk

[jovial lion]

yeye

[dense geode]

so if theres a cool synergy, i most of the time use that build

[jovial lion]

tbf good builds r kinda subjective as depends on the way u look at them as how they behave

[dense geode]

yeah

[near vortex]

Limbo has some fun subsume synergies
Such as Breach Surge, Well of Life, Null Stars

[jovial lion]

yk maybe breach surge can be a fun use on gyre thinking about it lmao

like all her set is basically dot all over the place

[dense geode]

yeah maybe, but the effect would be kinda weird, will definitely try tho

[jovial lion]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980793801549430804/1051979809040896130/1641348159927.gif

[dense geode]

ill try breach w gyre

but lemme look at what else would work

[jovial lion]

all good

[woeful shadow]

Anyone able to help with my Equinox build, I want to be able to use day and night and I did put on dispensary just so I wouldn't have to worry about energy.

[dense geode]

u think shock trooper would be any good lwk?

or is that just a weaker roar lol

[granite mantle]

i guess left riv its better no? which stats should i look for sobek?

[fair umbra]

Is -puncture desired on a dual tox riven?

Either of these decent?

[mint scarab]

hey is this one good for sobek ?

[jovial lion]

shock trooper just gives u more electric damage, also pretty sure it applies to just weapons and companion so dont think it would do much of a difference ngl

[dense geode]

ok but more electric on electric warframe

:D

[fierce lark]

it kinda depends what you're using it for

[granite mantle]

really?

[fierce lark]

if you're using it for acid shells nukes, then you want a +element that matches the dot you're chaining

+toxin for saryn or oraxia, +heat for uriel, +whatever for cyte09

that is one of the only ways to actually increase the damage that acid shells itself does

i have no clue how it works with zephyr

[granite mantle]

thanks, so electric its useless?

[fierce lark]

works with cyte acid shells

left is actually a really good roll for cyte, and still a good roll for general purpose (can slot it in place of galv savvy, or elec mod if you don't have primed charged shell)

but it's no good on a heat/toxin acid shells build

[acoustic bluff]

Wanted on cyte

[undone dust]

elec is also nice for nova

[granite mantle]

for nova? why?

[undone dust]

molecular prime inherits acid shells, so having elec is just nice for cleanup kills (you run blast elec sobek for nova)

but you do also need to run xatas for it to do most of its funny stuff

[ivory crane]

Which do I take?

[fathom sky]

-CD instantly awful

[ivory crane]

Bet

Thank you

At 36 rerolls trying to beat Cedo Visitak

[fierce lark]

they're both unusable

it's hard to get a usable riven for the cedo at all

[ivory crane]

I got a new roll with 122% damage, 66% electricity, -12.5% mag capacity

Versus the 94% damage and 25.8% reload speed

Lesser of two evils? (Better one)

[fierce lark]

i guess? it's still worse than even a 90 electric mod

between the self-priming with gaptitude and the passive, damage on a riven is extremely low value

[ivory crane]

If you had to pick one over the other. Both are doodoo but choose 😂

[fierce lark]

the new one

unslottable but technically better

apart from damage being ass, the disposition is 0.55 as is so yeah

finding a good riven is unlikely

[ivory crane]

What am I aiming for with Cedo? multishot, crit damage?

Cause people SWEAR by this weapon

[fierce lark]

multishot, crit damage, crit chance, toxin, fire rate

yeah the weapon is insane

thats why it has no riven disposition

[modern siren]

no point rolling cedo rivens unless you have godlike luck high key

[ivory crane]

So if I paid for a riven mod for a Cedo I got scammed? 😂😭

[fierce lark]

depends how much

if you paid trash price to reroll, it was not worth it but good luck nontheless

[ivory crane]

I feel like I dont wanna share...

[fierce lark]

if you paid anything higher than trash price, you got screwed big time

[ivory crane]

whats trash price?

[fierce lark]

currently like 5p

could be 50 soon

[ivory crane]

Oh damn 😂

[fierce lark]

how much did you pay lol

[ivory crane]

HYPOTHETICALLY..... dont make me feel bad..... 450

[fierce lark]

yeah you learned a pretty expensive lesson

honestly the lesson here is use warframe market to determine riven prices

if a riven isn't a godroll, you shouldn't be paying more than the absolute bottom-listed price for it

[ivory crane]

Well Ive never bought riven mods before so yeah... I got played

[fierce lark]

trade chat im guessing?

what were the stats when you bought it even? reload speed & damage?

[ivory crane]

Bazaar but yeah

[fierce lark]

lmao oh god that's worse

[ivory crane]

Oh man....

It was like 44% damage, 37% cold damage and -27% weapon recoil

I feel like shit now 😂

[fierce lark]

lol well some lessons have to be learnt the hard way

i sold a 1k+ spectra riven a long time ago for 300p

[ivory crane]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[fierce lark]

we all have moments

[jovial lion]

aww man, hope u can recover soon from this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1231286447131328544/1310926267125862441/ivy.gif

[celest thicket]

Can the clones from duplex bond proc archon stretch energy regen?

[dusk cliff]

please help

i cant decide

[fierce lark]

left, but they're both pretty bad

i think the unfortunate answer here is "neither"

[wanton coral]

PIck one and reroll.

[fierce lark]

no, they dont use abilities

tazicor or any electric modded weapon with manifold bond or electric precepts like arc coil should be good enough

[lusty goblet]

is 777 still the amp meta?

[karmic badger]

Fairly sure that's specifically for Tridolons, honestly with Tektolyst mods any amp is effective

[lusty goblet]

...wha

[fierce lark]

7 is the meta brace, afaik 1/5/6 prisms are all pretty popular and 4 scaffold is most used

547 being probably the best general-purpose amp if you're gonna stick with one

[lusty goblet]

that is what I was looking for thanks!

[karmic badger]

I should build another amp

[fierce lark]

iirc 777 was trido meta but idk if it still is, and eidolon hunting is dead content nowadays beyond the few eidolon shards you need for a couple weapons/amps and waybounds

[lusty goblet]

I have a 223 rn

[karmic badger]

Still need to do a minimum of like, 10 tridolons...

[fierce lark]

when i moved from 123 to 547 it made a world of difference

the amp actually kills things now, it's pretty nice

and yeah, the tektolyst artifact system with the accompanying amp mods also makes a huge difference

[karmic badger]

Mfw my amp does more damage than my primary

[fierce lark]

if you can kill 104 enemies with your amp every warframe has fuggin built-in fireball frenzy now

(for secondaries)

[karmic badger]

Haha 250% heat damage go brrr

[fervent aspen]

I need to do that

[lusty goblet]

I need 20 eidolon shards... i have 12 :<

[fierce lark]

oh and ftr 777 amp is only meta for speedrunning tridos, like trying to do 6+ per night type thing

if you're doing them casually, it makes 0 difference. it's a matter of seconds

[white sky]

these two i use together a lot, anything i can do to make it better?

[karmic badger]

What's your survival strategy for mirage?

Cause a single auger mod ain't exactly gonna do much to save you when you shieldgate

[stiff vector]

Any suggestions on Hydroid prime builds? Range seems to be iffy and I'm not sure how to build him for survivability

[white sky]

sheild gate? i made her a glass canon, if im gonna die i use eclipse to hide from enemies

[fierce lark]

if you're using catshields, 1 auger mod is the same as brief respite + 5 auger mods

it fixes shieldgate duration to 1.33s

regardess what your shield is when it breaks

[jovial lion]

didnt they change eclipse long ago to make it now just apply damage reduction instead

[mortal canyon]

is this decent now ?

it's my deadly cookie

i didn't swap for the umbra crit one

'cause me is lazy for more formas

[woeful shadow]

Anyone able to help with my Equinox build? I want to be able to use day and night and I did put on dispensary just so I wouldn't have to worry about energy.

[mortal canyon]

forgot to add the riven pic

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

[blazing finch]

I was thinking of using null star on xaku with hotshot what would I subsume their 3rd or 1st

[old marsh]

3. never ever subsume 1

[woven lynx]

which weapon

[blazing finch]

Yea but I lowkey like the 3 I just hate deny

[old marsh]

zenith

then Sigma

then Zenistar

[quiet laurel]

zenith

[fierce lark]

ngl

ive poked around with zenith again in simulacrum a few times

it feels horrible

[quiet laurel]

you still use it for PT if you dont pre-ogris

so at least it has a use

[woven lynx]

and also what incarnons should I get this week mates

[fierce lark]

boar and whichever second one feels cool

[quiet laurel]

what week is it even

[old marsh]

Boar, Angstrum, Gorgon, Anku, Gammacor in that order

[white sky]

no it still does both

its locked at 90% no matter how much str you add on but its still there, you can make the damage increase go up to atleast 1k as far as ive been able to atleast

also hows my riven?

[blazing finch]

Does xata work with abilities

[cobalt token]

I wanna build Nekros for orokin cell farming. But does the extra loot not scale with strength?

[white sky]

have you tried effincency

[cobalt token]

Not yet

[white sky]

see if that works

kinda makes sense

[cobalt token]

It didnt change when I took off blind rage

[white sky]

awh

[old marsh]

nope

[white sky]

might just be a locked stat

[golden plover]

Yeah, Hydroid gets 100% extra with his Pilfering Swarm augment though

[cobalt token]

I was thinking of adding Atlas's petrified over his first ability and the Ore Gaze augment

[cobalt token]

I dont have hydroid yet 😅

[old marsh]

it will always stay at 54%. but whats neat is that u need to hack and slash the enemy. so each hacked part is a separate loot instance.

[golden plover]

Fair enough, he's a very good frame and the augment makes it a very easy farm

[old marsh]

thats why u wanna use a non blunt melee like a sword with Nekros

more parts u mutilate, more loot u get

[cobalt token]

Im using the galatine currently

Wait doesnt the Ripkas have an amalgam mod that adds more to the cuts?

[white sky]

hypothetically, if i were to replace primary mercilass with primary frostbite, took off viral and replaced it with just cold would it do more damage than this?

[quiet laurel]

no

[white sky]

like if i were to do maybe corrosive and cold

[golden plover]

Could Primary Blight instead if that's what you're looking for?

Might do more

[white sky]

so like radiation with toxin as an extra, and add blight?

[quiet laurel]

that would be even less dmg

[white sky]

cuz if you have a combined status it wont proc the elements seperatley ever, right?

i wanna make this wepon stronger but i feel like its just impossible

[quiet laurel]

radiation is ass

[white sky]

well the wepon has base electricity so i have to combine then add the other status

[quiet laurel]

and wanting to make use of the elemental arcanes on weapons that cant proc those elements consistently anyway is not worth it

[white sky]

ah ok

[quiet laurel]

you could go overcharge with a base dmg mod instead of hammer shot

[white sky]

i suppose that could work but i feel like im usually at lower than 90% energy so i dont think that would work too well

[fierce lark]

fulmin is a battery weapon right?

[quiet laurel]

yes

[white sky]

yeah

[fierce lark]

godroll riven then

[white sky]

frfr lol

[fierce lark]

extremely minor lack of -zoom

which is a positive in most cases

[odd kelp]

Need a build for solo ETA that tank is busting my ass

[white sky]

i think part of my problem rn is im too focused on fulmin, other wepons feel way worse rn

idk what wepons i could use withought a riven that will match my fulmin w/o mirage

[quiet laurel]

how much you butchering other weapons so that fulmin feels the best 😭

[white sky]

idk

[quiet laurel]

do you have incarnons

[white sky]

heres my secoindary if it helps

[daring summit]

helping a buddy put together a loadout to carry me through EDA. thinking dante, coda bass, tenet cycron, glaive prime. viable?

[white sky]

i have paris prime built rn

[fierce lark]

torxica is better than most primaries probably

[white sky]

you think so?

it seems pretty bad w/o my mirage tbh

[quiet laurel]

it has higher single target DPS than dual toxocyst

but misses the ricochets from DT

[white sky]

the only good think abt it is the cold spores

[fierce lark]

that's not the only good thing about it

[quiet laurel]

that is in fact not the only good thing about it

[fierce lark]

it just has really high base stats

good damage, free 60% elemental damage from valence, extremely high mag size

it's a secondary so it benefits from overbudgeted mods, it's an adversary weapon so it has the extra 20 mod capacity to actually fit those mods

[white sky]

i cant really build my secondary i dont have arcanes besides merciless, mods r pretty mid too

would it benefit well with pistol accuituity?

[fierce lark]

if you land almost all headshots, sure

acuity tends to be a net negative

[obtuse remnant]

How can i better this ?

[fierce lark]

drop rupture and bladed rounds, add malignant force and make viral+heat, replace thermite rounds with hellfire, and add fire rate if you need some, or bane/magnetic capacity if you don't

if you have vigilante supplies, it's marginally better than ammo mutation

[white sky]

how about this, i think this is the best i can do with my current secondary mods

[obtuse remnant]

And that would more damage output and shield bypass

[white sky]

wait can i share a few pictures of all my primaries to get an opinion on which would be better than fulmin overall? w/o a riven ofc

[fierce lark]

would do a lot more damage, not bypass shields but shielded enemies are corpus and corpus are pinatas (and you can rewire mods to make pure toxin + add bane of corpus
if you need to)

[obtuse remnant]

Bc im able to melt enemies around 220 but i feel like i can do better, i was told to use hammer shot idk jf it will make s difference

[quiet laurel]

hammer shot is bait

[fierce lark]

hammer shot is something you add last after every mod, typically

i would not put it on the acceltra

[quiet laurel]

people see crit dmg and their brains turn off

[fierce lark]

it is an option if you have external fire rate, though

[obtuse remnant]

Lol i feel u

[quiet laurel]

we have such tight builds that hammer shot doesnt really fit anywhere

[obtuse remnant]

I dont need firer ate since I run uriel most of the times

[fierce lark]

i run reinforced bond any time im running a build that intends on shooting guns, and i run roar on most frames so it covers the bane slot, so if i could be bothered to buy it i'd probably run hammer shot on a few guns

but it's insignificant enough that im not willing to spend 80+ plat on it

[obtuse remnant]

Facts

[fierce lark]

and yes

[obtuse remnant]

Well how much of a difference would be swapping worthy comradery for corrosive projection be

[quiet laurel]

nataruk bubonico bassocyst alone are very good

[fierce lark]

why do you have 2 nataruks

[white sky]

nataruk got boring

[fierce lark]

both forma'd lmao

[quiet laurel]

sobek with the big 3, saryn , cyte, oraxia is one of the best weapons in the game

[white sky]

cross save

[celest thicket]

i must say , that cernos at level 28 annoyed me in so many levels

[quiet laurel]

bramma with cyte is insanely strong

[white sky]

i dont have cyte

[quiet laurel]

all roads to make primaries good lead to cyte

🎋

[white sky]

working on oraxia

[fierce lark]

latron prime incarnon, dex sybaris incarnon, boar prime incarnon,

[velvet pulsar]

Pistoleer

[quiet laurel]

should get him fr fr
he makes non incarnon weapons busted

[novel bear]

If incarnons aren’t an option, fulmin, nataruk, and bassocyst are probably the best ones there

[white sky]

i think boar incarn is in the cycle this week isnt it?

[fierce lark]

yep

[quiet laurel]

what does pistoleer have to do with this vro 😭

I know what the arcane does you have said it enough times

[languid oxide]

why does my cyte09 build suck? im not pushing above 1.5mil dmg??

[velvet pulsar]

U said this coz of ammo issues right?

[novel bear]

Pistoleer is secondaries
In the name

[fierce lark]

cyte bramma is double entendre

[velvet pulsar]

The ammo efficiency is universal

The trigger requirement is from secondary

[quiet laurel]

that and just the general interactions of bramma with cyte like cytes passive working on bramma AoE and the elec dots from resupply doing millions of dmg on a bramma AoE hit

[fierce lark]

resupply takes care of the ammo problems, and also makes the very high damage aoe do guaranteed status dots

[white sky]

im gonna try and mod the bassocyst, mine has like 3 elements on it base tho

[languid oxide]

i genuinely don't know what im doing wrong here.

[celest thicket]

wait why use primed firestorm on it ? it ricochets with infinite punchthrough right ?

[fierce lark]

im assuming cyte takes the viral HM build and just replaces HM with primed firestorm

[mighty flare]

wha?

hm and firestorm arent same slot

[novel bear]

Don’t have spectral serration and cannonade

[fierce lark]

unless that build already has firestorm

idk i dont play bramma

[languid oxide]

what should i replace it with?

OH WAIT THATS SUPPOSed to be target acquired

[mighty flare]

bramma bramma
https://overframe.gg/build/925439/kuva-bramma/kuva-bramma-viralhm-variants/

sharpshot annoying @quiet laurel

[quiet laurel]

skill issue fr fr

[languid oxide]

fixed it. how else can i improve?

[fierce lark]

im guessing saraxia need to subsume EM

[mighty flare]

yea

[velvet pulsar]

Ammo issues? Sahasa Kubrow

[fierce lark]

lol

[white sky]

hows this for bas

[velvet pulsar]

Oraxia? Blood for Ammo + Mercy's Kiss

[fierce lark]

i dont think dig dug is keeping up with bramma

[celest thicket]

as the other guy said , you dont need spectral serration and cannonade at the same time

[velvet pulsar]

This way oraxia even replenishes archgun ammo

[velvet pulsar]

Is 2 ammo pack per 15 second enough?

[languid oxide]

how is this then?

[fierce lark]

no

one ammo pack is 1 shot

[languid oxide]

gotcha? why is that btw? cos ninjase's build on Overframe had both on it so thats why i put it on.

[fierce lark]

he has several neutralizer builds

[celest thicket]

using addictive damage mods is not very effective in the long run
you generally just need one, and then use the rest for something that can multiply those damage mods, like fire rate, elemental mods or multishot (and critical obviously)

multishot and fire rate are out of the question on your build tho

[languid oxide]

this is the only one i saw @fierce lark https://overframe.gg/build/770195/cyte-09/ghost-recon-cyte-neutralizer-weapon-platform-sp-general-use-and-endurance/

[fierce lark]

there are three builds, you copied the first one

which is not for general use

it's for single-shot damage, to take out thrax, acolytes, archons, bosses etc

[languid oxide]

well yeah that is what I am going for

oh i didnt mention it. my fault. yeah im going for single target damage.

[celest thicket]

man atlas has it easy on builds, just slap impact and damage and look at the 20-30 million punches

[fierce lark]

why do you have firestorm then

[velvet pulsar]

GOATED PFP!

[languid oxide]

that...was a mistake.

i meant to put target aquired or a status mod and i confused myself.

[languid oxide]

shhhh.

[velvet pulsar]

[languid oxide]

either way it isn't putting out more than 1.5 mil and i cannot for the life of me tell why.

[fierce lark]

actually i dont think firestorm even does anything, i dont recall neutralizer shooting aoe bullets

[celest thicket]

no it doesnt , it just ricochets

[velvet pulsar]

Primed Chamber

[fierce lark]

primed cryo rounds is important-ish if you want large numbers

either way if you're trying to 1shot thrax or acolytes you want magnetic

[celest thicket]

bro my guy here can barely upgrade his mods to R10 and you throwing a primed chamber on his face

[languid oxide]

that and bosses. was trying to one shot each of roathe's bars.

[languid oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-trying-to-hurt-feelings-gif-4946354

[fierce lark]

yeah it's a little harder without the single slot 165% element

[languid oxide]

sadly i do not have primed cryo rounds let alone the capital to max it.

[celest thicket]

dont worry , it took me a long ass time to upgrade most of the mods i have, alot of railjack ,zariman and index

[cobalt token]

I tried Ore Gaze build with Nekros and wow it was better than expected

[near vortex]

are you aiming for galv scope
are you hitting heads for the three headshot modifiers
are you using all of Cyte's buffs and have a good build for him
are you getting cyte passive stacked

because my neutralizer is a copy paste of Ninjase's and it hits this

[languid oxide]

!

[fierce lark]

was that an unstripped heavy gunner eximus

[wicked scaffold]

my cyte build has hit damage cap on shots before, you gotta be certain youre buffing yourself efficiently

[brittle sleet]

Alt fire

Not worth putting Firestorm on it but it does exist

[near vortex]

One of the Techrot units

I could go into simu and try it on eximus gunners

9.6 million before viral priming

11.7 mil no viral priming

that's before the electric procs that you can't see because eximus gunners are oneshot

if I switch to Panzer my stacks gonna go away 🥀

44.5 mil

that's with Panzer priming

What are some other tanky units

55mil on scaldra dedicant eximus

[fierce lark]

so it'll oneshot levelcap thrax

good enough lul

[crystal ridge]

does galvanized mods work on companion even if im not using galvanized mods on my main weapon?

[karmic badger]

Fairly sure it does, they can't activate them, but they benefit from the effects

[fierce lark]

no

[karmic badger]

Ahh damn

[fierce lark]

you need to have the same mod equipped on your own weapon, and you need to stack it yourself

then the companion weapon will benefit

[karmic badger]

That's what i thought

[crystal ridge]

got it thanks for answering

[tribal abyss]

Does nataruuk get the 2x crit damage on headshot despite lacking a headshot multiplier?

[abstract bison]

does vicious bond make the panzer spores spread faster?

[visual citrus]

so what do ya'll use to track your buildds? do you take a picture or what do you do?

[hushed harbor]

if i use amber archon shards does bellicose outscale molt augmented

[fierce lark]

you mean blue shards for hp? no

you get more strength from 5 tau strength shards than you get from a maxed bellicose anyway

[karmic badger]

The only use of blue shards is max energy tbh

[fierce lark]

armor sometimes to hit breakpoints

[karmic badger]

Maybe shields for Hildryn, maybe

[velvet pulsar]

Or heal per second for combat discipline builds

[karmic badger]

I suppose? But most people put combat discipline on frames that have built-in healing or damage reduction

[velvet pulsar]

Nope

[fierce lark]

same deal on hildryn, strength gets almost as much shield with expertise while doing other things that strength does

[karmic badger]

Yeah, now that expertise is a thing i should probably slowly swap out her shards

[velvet pulsar]

Combat Discipline + nourish + avenger is used a lot

Hildryn can also use it

[karmic badger]

Seriously, if DE flipped it to be 10/15% HP, shield, or armor, i feel like blue shards would be more popular

[fierce lark]

pretty sure avenger is just not good anymore

[karmic badger]

Hotshot

[velvet pulsar]

Not for hildryn or other secondary users