#builds-discussion

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trim hill
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All are good, I think Skiajati might have the least return in investment, tho. Start with incarnons, and if it takes too long to get their builds going, Amanata has its augment which gives it tons of ezpz damage and is simple to mod for.

Ultimately, Dual Ichor or Hate will be the best of these. Depends how comfy your builds for each are currently

gleaming oasis
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I would assume with a combination of a nukor the ichor goes crazy with condition overload?

remote oak
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Does anyone has a protea prime build I can use

gleaming oasis
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so lets start with that then. what are the main attributes that I should invest into the ichors

trim hill
gleaming oasis
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pretty sire I didnt have condition overload when I got the incarnon

fierce lark
gleaming oasis
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thats a given but yeah did have any at the time

fierce lark
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you also want galvanized steel, galvanized elementalist and melee influence

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since the ichor is innate toxin you need to run either viral or gas with electric

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or play shock trooper

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/electric lavos

gleaming oasis
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how can I mod for Viral using the inate toxin without converting the mods to magnetic?

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would it require another toxin mod to keep the viral?

modest vine
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you need cold too for viral

gleaming oasis
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I know that

modest vine
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what does the build look like atm? if you got a screenshot

trim hill
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Yes, you need toxin + cold on an innate toxin weapon to be able to mod for another single ele without mixing

gleaming oasis
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thanks

modest vine
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thank you booba there are times even some elemental builds and stats elude even me >.<

gleaming oasis
trim hill
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Elements are super weird to learn, tbf. Once you spend 2krillion hours with them, you might figure it out, lol. Just glad to help!

modest vine
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well least the elements are in the upper row so thats correct

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(for those about to ask YES placement of mods with elements does matter when building certain elemental builds)

trim hill
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Once you get GalvSteel, I'd probably swap SacSteel out, personally

gleaming oasis
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yeah makes sense dont have that galv mod

rocky aurora
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You need 3 element mods to make viral and elec on ichor

Or use Shock Trooper 🤷‍♂️

gleaming oasis
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I am not running volt currently

modest vine
rocky aurora
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Subsume

trim hill
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Yeah, elements combine from left-right, top-bottom. Like reading in English

frosty fjord
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and then riven combines are a little bit more silly

modest vine
trim hill
modest vine
rocky aurora
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Galv steel gives 120% cd, whereas 1 crit tier is only adds 2x cd

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So if 120% cd gives you more than 2x cd, it's probably better

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Furthermore, if sac steel barely puts you over the next crit tier, you won't reliably hit crits of the next crit tier

vestal lintel
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what would you guys change?

rocky aurora
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Remove all IPS mods, firstly

trim hill
vestal lintel
modest vine
rocky aurora
rocky aurora
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They are some of the worst ways to increase your damage, sadly

Very niche uses

modest vine
vestal lintel
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ah ok

rocky aurora
vestal lintel
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Also swooping falcon is the only stance i have for this melee

rocky aurora
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Thats ok

modest vine
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most of the time stance mods mean nothing but more capacity

rocky aurora
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They actually are more important than that

trim hill
modest vine
rocky aurora
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Some stances have better damage bonuses and may force proc certain IPS statuses

modest vine
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really? huh learned something know

vestal lintel
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For viral i have: Fever strike, North wind. For heat: Molten Impact

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I also just got gladiator might

rocky aurora
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Use all 4

trim hill
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I recently swapped my single sword stances to Iron Phoenix so I can just hold W and swing

rocky aurora
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If you have blood rush + weeping wounds, even better, though if theres only space for 1, id choose blood rush

gleaming oasis
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so is it galv steel I need or another galv mod?

vestal lintel
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Dont have weeping but i do have blood rush

rocky aurora
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If you dont have galv steel or elementalist, get both, but get galv steel first

trim hill
vestal lintel
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What should i prioritise to level up out of the mods you recommended?

rocky aurora
# vestal lintel what would you guys change?

So youll want something like this pre-melee influence:
Condition Overload (base damage, so use pressure point if you dont have), weeping wounds, blood rush, attaco speed, range, faction mod (or flex).

In this case, if it's too difficult to upkeep melee combo for blood rush, you can continue using sac steel until you get galvanized mods. Crit damage is a must, attack speed is a must (unless you can outsource attack speed from Volt or Wisp, for example), and base damage is a must.

This leaves you with a few slots for you element mods for viral+heat and possibly a flex slot for faction, but 🤷‍♂️
I also recommend 60/60 mods for element mods

gleaming oasis
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nevermind only 1 main slot left didnt add shockig tough to the overframe build

trim hill
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CO should cover your damage, esp if running viral+elec. So long as you have at minimum 3 proccs, CO will beat out Pressure Point

rocky aurora
gleaming oasis
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I already had that on the build. any other suggestions

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fury for bloodrush maybe?

trim hill
gleaming oasis
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thanks

rocky aurora
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The more ranks a mod has, the more expensive it is to rank up all the way

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And for these specifically, most of the cost is in the last 2 ranks

gleaming oasis
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what would the general consensus be for best stance mod for dual swords?

vestal lintel
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Ah yeah ok, thanks for the great help.

trim hill
rocky aurora
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carving mantis has forced slash procs, which is pretty good

simple juniper
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Could also sub out fury for Berserker Fury

rocky aurora
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though I do like swirling tiger myself, too

trim hill
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Carving Mantis just has less mobility overall

viscid bane
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Best element for tenet arca plasmator? toxin?

trim hill
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Can't hold W

median heron
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Crossing snakes best

rancid marsh
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Hello
does anyone know if there is a decoration that is like a black panel?
i want to make a dark room in dojo

median heron
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Posters

rain nexus
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I need a Acceltra Prime build, someone have one?

worthy siren
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How do I do a good melee influence build for Garuda's claws? (no zenurik school)

rain nexus
fierce lark
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can add vile acceleration over magnetic cap if you don't have external fire rate

i probably wouldn't though unless you're running EM or dispensary

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acceltra suffers heavily from ammo problems

rain nexus
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Yeh, i feel that lmao

fierce lark
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can also run heat instead of electric for corrupted/grineer, gun has innate aoe

frosty fjord
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vigi supplies or ammo mutation already helps a lot without crux too but of course why not use crux

fierce lark
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with crux and mutation i still run out of ammo sometimes lol

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not that ive used it a whole lot, in ETA ammo was a repeated issue, in conjunction fissures it was not

frosty fjord
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ye I can see that higher level content it might suffer but base level SP it’ll be fine at least

forest magnet
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What's a good Fulmin Prime build?

fierce lark
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i might build my carrier and try acceltra with merciless lol

olive wren
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wich one too pick

scenic echo
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Dang I gotta review my build then lol

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2nd one def

U get a free extra organ shatter with electric for melee influence

safe prism
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wich one is better? 🤔

novel bear
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Negative status duration is really bad

scenic echo
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-Status duration - outweighs benefits 9/10 times

safe prism
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so, im looking for a elec riv without -status duration

scenic echo
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Yep

Alternatively you could slap lasting sting on it

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If you really want the electric dmg

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The 169% crit dmg can replace a organ shatter or gladiator might

Then you slap on melee influence and a lasting sting to offset the -status duration

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My philosophy is I’d rather patch or slap a bandaid on a riven rather than waste the massssive kuva it would take to god roll it

If I get a god roll in 15-20 great! If not it’s too much sweat in the game to try and attempt a god roll

scenic echo
gaunt sapphire
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not unless the build specifically relies on a certain status and its effect, instead of viral or whatev, can i really just lwk use any status effect i want on a weapon?

gaunt sapphire
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i really want to try out status effects like magnetic or cold or blast but i cant find builds specific to those.

safe prism
fierce lark
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outside of specifically corpus, nothing is ever gonna beat the damage output you gain from applying viral to something, and companion priming isn't always reliable (assault mode range is 30m and precepts are generally even shorter), so you either get it from nourish or put it on your weapon

gilded tusk
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Can I go no duration on Dante

fresh solstice
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Is this any good?

fierce lark
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fleeting expertise on mesa is worse than an empty mod slot

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otherwise looks good

fresh solstice
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What can i take instead of fleeting expertise

fierce lark
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pistol amp is also terrible, the 55% or w/e damage it gives is additive with strength, cascadia flare, galv shot etc

scenic echo
scenic echo
scenic echo
fierce lark
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range only affects the angle at which shatter shield deflects bullets, and how fast the regulators' circle shrinks

scenic echo
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Ahh so then duration strength would be the play

fierce lark
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obviously also affects the team buff radius of nourish but who cares

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4 drain scales the same with both duration and efficiency, so fleeting expertise is fully neutral. you spend 60% less energy casting 1/2/3, but you have to cast them 60% more often, which is a net negative overall

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adaptation stacks on shatter shield for an eventual 99% reduced damage taken from ranged attacks, good for pretty much all non-lcap

gaunt sapphire
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im not very familiar with how his kit works

coral crest
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yeah he has nourish, its adding viral damage

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if you use him with Gastro he is more of a caster though

gaunt sapphire
fierce lark
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if it's base grendel you can subsume him to get nourish on any frame (usually still worse than subsuming roar and modding viral)

you can play grendel though, suck people with 1 to gain a ton of armor, press nourish to heal and get the buff, use the 4 augment to turn people into bouncing stripping projectiles

proud anchor
coral crest
gaunt sapphire
coral crest
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but with gastro they are bouncing around and doing serious dmg

gaunt sapphire
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cuz i dont have gloom nor plan on getting it super soon

fierce lark
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gastro nuke is a very real thing that does a shitton of damage and does aoe strip

coral crest
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he also has hearty nourishment augment

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that makes nourish give you status immunity

coral crest
gaunt sapphire
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im not the largest fan of augments

coral crest
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so never falls off

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yeah hes fine even at base

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unnerfed nourish and aoe armor strip in base kit, you dont need much more to run and gun

gaunt sapphire
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one last question, how good is the dakra prime?

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i got it with a mag prime regal aya kit

fierce lark
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ive genuinely never heard of it so probably not great

gaunt sapphire
fierce lark
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i think i subsumed roar over 3 on my grendel, because the rolling ball is pretty useless, though it is fun

undone dust
fierce lark
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and im pretty sure roar double dips gastro

undone dust
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it is literally just a basic sword that can kill things ExcaliburLUL

coral crest
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since its guaranteed gas

gaunt sapphire
fierce lark
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maybe it's good, who knows

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try it out

coral crest
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yeah seems to be a decent crit sword

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you got it with a slot and potatoed, you arent losing much

fierce lark
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12x melee weapons get +550% crit chance just from mods, so a high crit chance base is pretty solid

coral crest
gaunt sapphire
fierce lark
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if you stick spiderwebs on it you'll probably nuke everything in sight up to god knows what level

coral crest
coral crest
gaunt sapphire
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like oraxia u mean or what

undone dust
fierce lark
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(co instead of pressure but you get the idea)

gaunt sapphire
fierce lark
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light attack melee builds in general

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they all follow a pretty identical build

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anything you outsource can be flexed

undone dust
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i love slop!

gaunt sapphire
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actually nvm ill check rhe stats and decide

fierce lark
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vengeful revenant has the strongest fwd, crimson dervish has an insane neutral combo

undone dust
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who up venging their revenant

fierce lark
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dervish is also the only stance with a spinning hit in fwd combo

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so id probably run with crimson dervish, do neutral combo for big targets

scenic vapor
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How do i unlock modding

fierce lark
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that's supposed to be the modding tutorial

scenic vapor
fierce lark
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from your codex

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to the left of the navigation console

scenic vapor
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Thank you so much

edgy verge
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which one?

river palm
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i would pick right

narrow lance
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Thoughts on my Vinquibus build? I feel like It just doesn’t do enough damage in steel path. Hoping someone smarter than me will notice a problem where I’m not. 👍👍

drowsy pelican
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I feel like eternal war shouldn’t exist. That should just be how the ability works.

mighty flare
unkempt rivet
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Should I go more for status or crit with the Onos?

mighty flare
unkempt rivet
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Also reroll or keep?

narrow lance
narrow lance
lofty tiger
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Ok so i have a mirage build idea

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So latron incarnon, hall of malevolence, warcry and roar right off

river palm
lofty tiger
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I have a questionable build in mind

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Cant have anything that benefits from combo or galvanized mods

uneven field
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need help with my vaykor hek, i don't have the exilus spot but this is the best i can get it right now

lofty tiger
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And screw crit sense that wont scale well

analog stirrup
narrow lance
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Eh or Neh?

uneven field
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i swapped point blank with chilling grasp

analog stirrup
uneven field
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then i need a heat 90% for shotgun

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whats the name of it?

analog stirrup
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gud question... can use fire rate instead if you don't have heat

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corr+cold still works, Hek is more about flat damage than anything else

uneven field
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okay so

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what about this

analog stirrup
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yep, looks gucci

uneven field
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or this

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which is better for like, long run

analog stirrup
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try both, see how it feels, faster fire rate will feel confier, starting base damage will make little difference but there's a difference

candid panther
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i just got this riven, im not sure which one is better, im pretty new at the game. do i go left or right

rocky aurora
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right is "better" but neither are too good

versed inlet
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Which would be better for incarnon? :>

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Cropped because chat wouldn't disappear lol

near vortex
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Slightly scuffed build

twilit bay
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How do i build a heavy sword?

maiden oracle
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Rate the brrrt blaster

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Quite happy with it so far, it holds up well into SP

sullen python
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(Latron Wraith) it says it does big damage, but i managed to trash the latron 😭

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got this now, but idk if its much good, how do i build the latron?

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(building for when i get incarnon, dont have incarnon yet)

glad jackal
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btw the first arcane from this guide is aegis

hard dove
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Why??

sullen python
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all of that strength is gonna be wasted cause the range wont hit anything 😭

glad jackal
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after second look, it weapon platform Uriel

sullen python
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ohhh

glad jackal
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why they dont said that on the title lmao

hard dove
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What's 4 replaced with?

glad jackal
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also why Aegis

hard dove
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I bet it's nourish

glad jackal
sullen python
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is the latron even worth building/modding before i get the incarnon?

glad jackal
hard dove
sullen python
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thats what i was doing, but its so terrible rn

hard dove
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Don't bother using it until incarnon

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Youre like a nonth away iirc

sullen python
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its like 8 or 9 times worse than my lex lol

glad jackal
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though if you have Prime version or have plat to buy 1, dont invest into normal Latron at all

velvet pulsar
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Primed Rapid Resilience when DE?

rocky aurora
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I wonder what the Uriel is buffing

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better not be a Heat DPS weapon

lofty saddle
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Immortality at 3 energy a second right? because ball mode heals 550 a sec and can't take more then 550 a second.

mighty flare
lofty saddle
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):

mighty flare
# lofty saddle ):

Casting nourish heals you too btw, sustain off passive ball healing then cast nourish when your low

lofty saddle
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Yea... I know... I was just trying to be extra lazy...

spare geyser
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So are the Balefire Chargers just.. bad?

mighty flare
spare geyser
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What mods do i need for hildryn actually

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I JUST got her prime

south flare
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How does my Frost build look? I'm working with what I've got, and hoping it's enough.

Those energy costs are a bit painful...

mighty flare
# spare geyser I JUST got her prime

hildyrn likes high range and strength
most important for her balefire chargers is the aegis gale augment
then a shield mod instead of the usual flow/equilibrium on other frames

spare geyser
mighty flare
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blazing is pretty meh and meant for like infested faction cuz no shields

south flare
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Also, I don't have any Archon Shards in. Would those help Frost at all?

limpid socket
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for Khora Prime, I build both the Whipclaw and the supposed "statstick" melee right ? also do you guys have any recommendations for a MR9 Khora Prime build ? thanks a lot

spare geyser
mighty flare
steep plover
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Does anyone have a good mirage build

spare geyser
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Small shopping trip lol

spare geyser
mighty flare
crisp pine
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problem.. My garuda has some problems with survivability in EDA and ETA as some modifers would mess with her. What i do?

mighty flare
crisp pine
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espcially abililty lock down

undone dust
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where are you getting invis from

crisp pine
undone dust
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i feel like relying on companion invis for crep (especially on garuda since you'd prefer to throw yourself into the air at mach speed to maximize basketball firing) would be inconsistent and not necessarily worth it

crisp pine
undone dust
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we do like trying things

crisp pine
gaunt minnow
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Question, if i were to build around tatsu's unique trait. What kind of riven should i aim for?

gaunt sapphire
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are ALL 4 hydroid augments good????

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which ones do i gettyt

undone dust
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rousing plunder is the only mediocre one

gaunt minnow
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Pilfering swarm is good

gaunt sapphire
undone dust
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yes

gaunt minnow
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Yuh

gaunt sapphire
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are most hydroid builds 3augment

undone dust
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tidal impunity is just a better rolling guard, viral tempest is really good for spreading viral to help boost your 1s damage, pilfering is nice on loot setups but it's not necessarily needed

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rousing plunder just adds a negligible bonus to plunder that you can entirely skip out on

gaunt sapphire
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can you provide a build with pilfering and one without

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just like general missions and sp

undone dust
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id recommend at least either tidal or viral (or even both) in a build (tidal can replace both psf and rolling guard)

undone dust
gaunt sapphire
undone dust
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i just got off twin Clemsive

gaunt sapphire
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i dont trust overframe cuz its garbage

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anyone have a viral and tidal hydroid build i could use

near vortex
undone dust
near vortex
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Archon Intensify also should go if you change Gloom

near vortex
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It's less damage than most other options and halves the amount of times you press 3

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It's also shit at viral priming compared to tempest Barrage with the augment

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I played a lot of Garuda today so for once I actually kinda know what I'm talking about

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Oh yeah, and no need for Handspring in the exilus. Parkour Velocity in some form or Kavat's Grace are both good there, otherwise Cunning Drift

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Garuda's one makes you immune to stagger but not hard landings

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Companion invis is really nice synergy with Garuda, I've been running it all day and it's super effective at keeping me alive

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Means you can put 2-3 weapon slots into utility like statsticking a Kubrow, Praedos being Praedos, or auger mods on pistol and whatnot

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It might be worth putting a weapon on to deal with Acolytes, but honestly with tempest Barrage subsumed if you do a fast 2 into the 1 4 combo you can pop Violence before he casts Silence

gaunt minnow
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Bro's an encyclopedia

near vortex
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I have a lot of things going through my head

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Currently making a Garuda loadout to take to level cap

gaunt minnow
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👀

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I do have a question regarding arcane arachne

near vortex
crisp pine
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would rapid resilience be a good or cheap way to have discount status immunity?

near vortex
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Absolutely

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Don't need it on Garuda tho since 3 cleanses status

gaunt minnow
near vortex
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Anything with a weapon-coded ability used for damage.
Garuda and Nova come to mind with Null Stars and Dread Heart, I'd have to check the wiki to remember the full list

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The damage boost applies twice on thrown glaives so it's really synergistic with them

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Breach Surge is another

gaunt minnow
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The weapon is actually not a glaive. Its the tatsu prime

gaunt minnow
near vortex
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I'm not familiar with Tatsu Prime

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Thats Rev's sword, right

gaunt minnow
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Yeah

versed birch
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How many forma should I expect to put into Nataruk for it to be steel path worthy

gaunt minnow
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Its uniqe trait trigger influence, is multiplicative with CO, and it gets buffed by arcane arachne so i was thinking about having a build around it

near vortex
crisp pine
versed birch
near vortex
mighty flare
near vortex
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Yeah basically that

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Arachne boosts dread heart so that's an excellent thing to slot

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If you don't have Arachne it's in the operation shop rn and it's flexible if you prefer vigorous swap

crisp pine
mighty flare
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yeah, just use vigorous swap

near vortex
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It's largely preference but Arachne is what I run

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If you want you can put endurance drift in the exilus and one tau blue energy shard to hit 1k for Primary Overcharge, if you want to try a weapon with that

crisp pine
spare geyser
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Is the build valid?

crisp pine
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Oh god, we could meme with Resonator

velvet pulsar
crisp pine
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I have no idea how hildryn works

spare geyser
velvet pulsar
stone lake
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Which one of these should I keep?

velvet pulsar
mighty flare
# spare geyser Is the build valid?

augur mods bad on hildryn, if using another shield mod on hildryn, the only good one is like boreals
arcane velocity > molt augmented
do you have the primed elemental mods for secondaries?

velvet pulsar
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Reminder that arcane concentration doesn't snapshot the reduced the energy drain over time for channelled abilities

spare geyser
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May i ask why auger mods are bad?

mighty flare
spare geyser
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Also i just got r3 velocity

mighty flare
spare geyser
mighty flare
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zenurik useless for hildryn sadly

spare geyser
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I just got Hildryn

tribal abyss
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Does influence douple dip on elec modifiers or only triple dip on faction damage

jaunty briar
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Which coda weapon is the best for me to get? I'm currently looking for a secondary or a melee weapon but if there's anything better than burston prime incarnon, I'll take a primary too

coral crest
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Great secondary

jaunty briar
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Got it

dusty dragon
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ah uriel. arcane persistence or hot shot?

coral crest
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Hot shot

jaunty briar
jaunty briar
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nvm. They all need m17

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Guess i killed my coda lich for nothing

coral crest
# dusty dragon what do?

Auto dual pistols that on kill release projectiles which proc cold and a 50% dmg vulnerability

wooden belfry
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Anyone got a good build for hate?

urban flax
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How is my Nikana Prime build? What can I do to make it better? (I'm planing on replacing reach for primed reach)

shut forge
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Might be a bit overdone but I definitely suggest Condition Overload and throwing on some status mods. I'll show you my build

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(ignore my inability to correctly dedicate each stance to the corresponding build, I just got lazy)

urban flax
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I have this, I didnt have some of your mods

fathom cove
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can anyone give an alternox prime build ?

shut forge
wooden belfry
mighty flare
fathom cove
zinc thunder
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How can I improve this?

plain drum
zinc thunder
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I don't use it
I just put random stuff on

plain drum
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i mean if you dont wanna spend an adapter for influence ig thats already pretty good, otherwise i'd swap out organ shatter for blood rush

fierce lark
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isn't the fragor a big hammer

zinc thunder
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Yes

plain drum
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yeah

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i thought slam build would suit it better

rich saddle
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So, went a bit overboard with Cyte yesterday IDK how this can be improved, but I want those eight-figure red crits. 😄 (for context, returning after about 3 years, so some nice stuff from the later updates may or may not require some grind, and I'm kinda clueless about the current meta in general.)

fierce lark
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sounds like slambait

plain drum
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figured

zinc thunder
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I'm tired of using slam builds

plain drum
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well too bad

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that's the whole gig for hammers now

zinc thunder
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Then I'mma get rid it

fierce lark
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fragor prime is actually one of the better hammers in terms of pure damage, but the attack cycle is slow

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so it wants to be slammed more than most

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it's also very low base status which does not favor influence

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i would just avoid the entire hammer subclass if you don't like slamming

plain drum
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and for the arcanes im pretty sure arcane crepuscular is the best one for him

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idk about the 2nd one

rich saddle
#

Anyway, I hesitated between equilibrium and this, I'll try both.

plain drum
#

you can buy it from eleanor in the hex faction

plain drum
#

unless ur using nourish with archon stretch

#

thats also good enough

#

even then im not sure cyte wants to replace any of his abilities without changing the build anyway

rich saddle
plain drum
#

yes, very popular

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most used companions rn are hounds and panzer vulpahylas i think, and some kavats idk (i dont use kavats)

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and sentinels

#

i only stick to hounds or panzers since im too lazy to get new companions

fierce lark
#

a drift mod in an omni slot outside of the exilus

#

is causing severe soul damage

rich saddle
plain drum
#

wait bro has an omni slot i just noticed

fierce lark
#

he has two and one of them has an exilus lol

plain drum
#

what was it, coalescent fusion and the other one

#

they help to fulfill stat requirements in builds

#

e.g for arcane persistence or casting speed

fierce lark
#

ascent and coalescent fusion segments

#

i think they're both 1 segment?

rich saddle
fierce lark
#

im less upset about the omni and more upset about the exilus mod taking it up lol

plain drum
fierce lark
#

dead eye & coaction drift are awful btw

plain drum
#

doesnt he want corrosive projection or smth

#

or does cyte like growing power more

fierce lark
#

this might be a warped opinion but i genuinely think corrosive projection is almost universally bis unless there's a specific reason you want another aura

plain drum
#

is corrosive projection additive to corrosive status?

fierce lark
#

cyte can use growing power fairly well, psure neutralizer damage snapshots strength every shot

#

corrosive projection is multiplicative to corrosive/heat status, but it's additive to abilities that strip and other corrosive projections

rich saddle
rich saddle
plain drum
#

i only really use growing power on frames that snapshot it

fierce lark
#

the % of armor stripped by corrosive status will come off of the remaining 82% of something's armor after projection is applied, same with heat

but if 4 people have corrosive projection, all enemies just have 72% less armor

#

and if you have corrosive projection equipped, you only need an ability to strip 82% to fully strip

plain drum
#

pillage is the most common one i know that is usually paired with corrosive projection

#

theres tharros strike ig but be so fr

fierce lark
#

given the only enemies that don't die instantly are usually high level corrupted/grineer, and people are usually subsuming roar/nourish and modding for viral, corrosive projection will very often net the highest gain

#

and it's faster to just have passive armor reduction than to spend the time and energy to cast pillage or terrify or smt

#

if all players every mission have corrosive projection equipped, armor is basically a non-factor

#

i have become a devout follower of our lord and savior corrosive projection

rich saddle
#

Yea, so basically it's the way it used to be. It had always been very strong.

fierce lark
#

i think it's stronger now tbh

armor levels were so high back then that everyone modded viral slash to completely ignore it because there was too much of it to make other damage relevant without instant 100% strip

rich saddle
#

Yea, have guns like that still 😄

plain drum
#

now every frame can do armor strip, but armor wasnt as important as it was before

polar yarrow
#

Can an excalibur +AX52 weapon make it to clear steel path ?

fierce lark
#

arthur sucks

#

uh excalibur can clear steel path with just his exalted weapon and a functional build

polar yarrow
#

if I wanted melee only I take valkyr

plain drum
#

fair

polar yarrow
plain drum
#

use it on some other frame

fierce lark
#

if you want to do your best nightingale impression then you'll have some trouble

polar yarrow
polar yarrow
#

I'd love to, really enjoyed playing arthur and his ak

fierce lark
#

ax52 is a little clunky without external support, and excalibur offers absolutely nothing to help gunplay

plain drum
#

ig you can use a primary acuity build or smth

#

with biotic rounds and galv scope

#

and heat

fierce lark
#

yeah the other issue is making the gun half-decently functional for high level content requires buying a pretty expensive mod

#

holy shit it's 150p

#

i bought it for 55 last year lmfao

plain drum
#

i can take my time to farm credits but i cannot for the love of me farm endo

#

i dont have the patience for bounties

polar yarrow
plain drum
#

what frame pairs well with headshots?

#

whats cyte passive again

#

50 gazillion crit chance

#

yeah ig he pairs well or smth

astral tinsel
#

1% per weakpoint kill

rich saddle
fierce lark
#

anything that buffs guns

harrow, saryn, rhino, gyre, volt, chroma etc

#

cyte i guess xd

plain drum
#

unless you've already done so like 2-5 years ago

#

so many mandatory arcanes for his builds it pmo

fierce lark
#

wut

every frame wants arcanes

plain drum
#

yea but like chroma has 50 gazillion builds he can use

#

its hard to stick to just one

#

with nourish theres better options, with breach surge its only good on endurance, same goes for pillage, theres gloom but thats like so lame

fierce lark
#

having an arcane library isn't exactly unique to chroma, if you play more than 1-2 frames you probably have a number of arcanes sitting around

#

this also isn't really a concern for someone who's just looking to platform their gun

plain drum
#

its more about his survivability, they need to improve that

fierce lark
#

there are enough people clamoring for a chroma rework that it'll probably happen soon

plain drum
#

actually my first built warframe (i did not build rhino up until later in the game) and my first prime

#

put guardian armor in his base kit and let us recast elemental ward 🤑

#

make elemental ward one handed too while we're at it

#

let us glide after double bullet jumps

#

shit yknow what give him status immunity while we're at it

old marsh
#

RebSmug we delulu-ing, r we?

plain drum
#

yessir

plain drum
#

i dont see a chroma reowrk anytime soon

#

putting my delulu aside

rich saddle
#

Rolling guard still a thing? Between that and Duviri I'm already reconsidering my return... "Do a perfect parry, enter the Contra code during the following 12.5 iframes, repeat 1000 times" is the exact kind of gameplay I didn't sign up for.

fierce lark
#

idk what that means, if that's any reassurance

#

rolling guard is a thing but it's far from mandatory and i rarely ever run it

old marsh
fierce lark
#

i had to re-read it to get the joke but yeah no warframe is not that kind of game lmao

old marsh
#

It has the name of next Warframe

fierce lark
#

Duviri Contra

old marsh
#

We just need to crack the code

fierce lark
#

you parkour around, shoot things, cut things, slam things or blow things up

idk if rolling guard was some necessity before but it definitely isn't now

#

if anything the most annoying part of current gameplay is how effective shield gating is, but we also just got a new form of tanking high level content (which people seem to be obsessed with taking into content that doesn't allow it to work properly)

rich saddle
arctic pelican
#

is there a riven made specially for kuva zarr or would a zarr riven work?

fierce lark
#

zarr riven

arctic pelican
fierce lark
#

if a weapon has multiple variants, they will all share a riven

neon hearth
#

I was wondering if anyone knows how Valence Formation on Lavos interacts with weapon status chance, since the status is guaranteed does it completely override status chance, making it a dead stat, or does it add on top of the usual weapon status procs as if you had over 100% status chance?

coral crest
#

Iirc it affects elemental weighting but otherwise doesn't interact with anything

neon hearth
coral crest
#

It doesn't care about your status chance

fierce lark
#

i don't see why it would affect elemental weighting

coral crest
#

It used to, not sure if it was patched

dull lark
#

Yooo question
Does anyone know if mags first ability has some sort of cap or limit on how many enemies it can pull

fierce lark
#

it's like adding a separate instance of x damage with x status, except the damage instance isn't separate

#

but everything else is

coral crest
#

It used to combine with weapon's modded elements as well

neon hearth
#

But the elemental damage scales like a normal mod would, just doesn't combine?

#

I wish I had the simulacrum to test these things 😅

coral crest
#

Ok it might've been patched

coral crest
#

It affects DoT of combined elements if infused

fierce lark
#

from what im reading on wiki, valence does actually shift status weighting

interesting

coral crest
#

Yeah it's basically a mod

#

A weirdly implemented mod on demand

neon hearth
fierce lark
#

crux seems anti-synergistic

coral crest
#

That's by design pretty much

neon hearth
coral crest
#

Just saying that you are on the right track

#

Since his weapon is a low status high crit auto shotgun

fierce lark
#

also the guaranteed status applies to every single instance of damage from your gun, not every shot

#

40 multishot kuva hek moment

neon hearth
#

Yeah rn I'm using the dera vandal incarnon and it shreds with Lavos as well

coral crest
#

Valence is weird when it comes to the way it's implemented

fierce lark
#

holy shit i think i found a use for primary debilitate (joke)

coral crest
#

since it's a universal weapon buff like Nourish, it affects weapon coded abilities

#

So you can do something like the infinite fart Lavos

#

Gas breach surge

neon hearth
#

Also with galvanized aptitude, lets say I kill a mob with 5 statuses, then another 6, do I have a 40*5 + 40*6, direct damage buff?

#

Or am I not understanding how the mod works

coral crest
#

For most weapons aptitude just adds base dmg like serration per the amount of statuses

neon hearth
#

Yeah, but I'm wondering how the buff is applied

#

Since lets say I have 1 second left on the buff made with 8 statuses, but then kill a mob with 1 status

vagrant lagoon
#

YO right or left?

neon hearth
#

Will I get a new buff of 40*1 for 20s or refresh the 40*8 for 20 seconds?

coral crest
vagrant lagoon
#

Im not using any serration or any damage here so maybe the 134.2% damage is better?

coral crest
#

Not lasting in any way

neon hearth
coral crest
#

Yeah, it just scales damage the more statuses there are on an enemy

neon hearth
#

So after two kills I just have a buff that makes me do more damage to enemies with statuses on them?

coral crest
#

Yes, with more statuses = more damage

neon hearth
#

Thanks yeah that's pretty simple

coral crest
#

Not quite

#

It affects only direct damage

#

So it almost never buffs aoe

#

Barring some really weirdly made weapons

neon hearth
#

Does that work differently from serration?

coral crest
#

I think so, serration doesn't care

#

Some weapons also don't have aptitude apply like serration

#

Instead it's a multiplicative bonus, resulting in supercharged damage

#

Code jank

neon hearth
#

Gotcha, so there shouldn't really be a difference for something like the cedo or dera vandal, since they just shoots bullets?

coral crest
#

Lemme check

#

You never know

neon hearth
shut saffron
#

There is a sheet for this

coral crest
#

Yeah, lemme grab it for your convenience

neon hearth
#

Would love to have it, thank you

shut saffron
#

Cedo altfire is multi co

pallid adder
#

I have a question related to damage mechanics

latent latch
#

Can anyone please help me with a hate build

pallid adder
coral crest
#

Secondary Shiver is a CO type bonus

pallid adder
#

I just started steel path. Sometimes when I shoot them in the head it'll do 9k damage, other times 90k damage. I know the crit chance isn't 100% but it happens quite frequently. Is the 90k a corrosive proc?

shut saffron
#

Yeah that's how co is tested on most shi

coral crest
#

Can actually use that

#

Grattler is MultiCO, horrifyingly enough

#

Even though shiver is the only way to gain CO on archguns

mortal hawk
#

Would anyone maybe have a build for Loki prime that can make his invis last longer?

tribal scroll
#

Does anyone have any advice for this hate build?

fair sphinx
#

Any citrine mains here ? Want to know how you all build her ? on overframe, the updated and popular build is a companion dps build and requires a paris prime incarnon stat stick wiht a riven which i don't have so i figured i build her as some kind of red crit dps with her crystalize thing instead of relying on my dog to do the damage

tribal scroll
coral crest
#

That you would want to use anyways

#

Because static crystal is kinda uncomfortable

#

I'm no main, but use her somewhat often

#

I just use max range, as much strength as I can get, 2 cast speed, 2 equilibrium shards and 1 duration shard

#

And 2 augments

#

The pet crystal one and recrystallize

#

I'm using her with augmented coda Sporothrix, because it's an aoe sniper with 5% crit chance that becomes 300% if you hit a crystal

#

Your pet occasionally exploding everything is just a nice bonus

pure gate
#

Has Chroma's synergy with Glaives been changed or touched in past years? Just curious since he seems to have a lot of interesting builds

fierce lark
coral crest
#

I use a hound with restorative bond to keep it alive, since Citrine's 1 is an orb feeder

fierce lark
#

a level 105 grineer trooper has about 2100 armor, which is equal to 70% damage reduction without any strip. a grineer heavy gunner of the same level has 2700 armor, which is 90% reduction

#

hyekka masters at that level will have 2700 armor, and an innate 25% damage reduction applying after that

#

oh actually hyekka master damage reduction scales with level, so it's 90% after armor lol

fair sphinx
coral crest
#

Or you can keep the augment because moving crystal is convenient

#

It's really about people wanting to use the pet stat stick to minmax pet dmg

#

If you use something like a hound the dmg becomes a non issue anyways

fair sphinx
#

hmm true i imagine moving crystal is pretty convenient, any pet or sentinet that can hit a lot of ppl at least so the crystal can at least prime baddies for me then ? Do i just use the invis doggy like ninjase's guide suggest ?

coral crest
#

If you're gonna shoot it won't work, invis would break

#

If you want to use the gun and mass pet destruction at once, run a hound

fair sphinx
#

Ohh soo Ninjase's invis dog is meant to be used with melee ?

coral crest
#

Or Raksa!

fair sphinx
#

Ohh shoot, hound as in those sister's pet robot dogs ?

coral crest
#

It regens your shield, free gate

coral crest
fair sphinx
#

ahh shoot. time to look up what's a good hound

coral crest
#

You aren't even attacking really

pallid adder
coral crest
#

Her dmg buff is indifferent to damage sources and your pet is an active carry of that buff

#

So it's logical to try and minmax the pet itself

fierce lark
#

yeah viral stacks from the companion are gonna cause your shots to randomly do 2x damage, or more if there's more stacks

coral crest
#

But it's not necessarily your only option

#

As I said, you can totally do everything at once

#

Citrine doesn't care, as long as something is dealing dmg she's fine

wraith glade
#

why isnt my kullervo harmony hitting consistent damage

fierce lark
#

wym

wraith glade
#

it either hits 500k

#

4mil or 40mil and once damage cap

#

mind heloin me out

fierce lark
#

would need to see the mod config to know for sure, but the likely case is variable priming

#

although i dont see how harmony is hitting damage cap without some extreme setup

wraith glade
#

my harmony

#

pharoah predasite and my kull

#

anyway to make my dog attack faster to prime enemies? cuz he likes to js shake his body then slowly attak

fierce lark
#

the damage you deal is gonna vary heavily depending on a number of factors, especially since you're using condition overload

wraith glade
#

i dont like to prime enemies

fierce lark
#

you aren't the one priming

#

i think what you should do is equip the full mecha set

karmic badger
#

your companion is usually doing the priming, god knows my hound likes to make it rain procs

wraith glade
fierce lark
#

it's the mod set you have on your predasite and its claws

#

at max rank, you mark an enemy every 15s and the marked enemy spreads status to every enemy in a 30m radius

although im not sure how that would work with harmony

wraith glade
#

what shd i mod my predasite then? i want him to insta prime evbverything

fierce lark
#

i dont use predasites so i cant help you there

but i do know diriga tends to be the preferred primer for melee setups

wraith glade
#

that could work

#

do i have to invest alot?

#

i spent like 700 plat on the predasite 😭

fierce lark
#

bruh

wraith glade
#

alright, dirigia level 0 does crazy good priming

fierce lark
wraith glade
#

burst laser ebtter than vergelas?

wraith glade
icy urchin
#

technical question about rift haven augment on limbo cus idk where else to ask, it says heals banished teammates but does that include teammates in the rift through cataclysm instead of specifically his 1

icy urchin
#

damn that is a lot worse than i thougt then

velvet pulsar
#

Yeah that shouldn't be the case DE

icy urchin
#

might take it out my coop grinding build then cus its not as useful with what im doing

wraith glade
velvet pulsar
wraith glade
#

as in?

velvet pulsar
#

One is utility other is damage

vagrant lagoon
#

Valid build?

latent latch
#

What is a good hate build I don't have it's incarnon so what mod should I use?

wraith glade
latent latch
spiral chasm
#

Probably light influence

wraith glade
#

incarnon makes it good

spiral chasm
#

Idk could afflictions still be good on hate with no incarnon?

fierce lark
latent latch
tranquil plover
#

how should i build vinquibus

solar sentinel
#

Is this good

wraith glade
midnight horizon
#

The corpus soldier when they finally think they killed me but I magically revive-
Toxin

fierce lark
drowsy mauve
#

Can someone help me improve my cedo prime build?

#

If y’all are wondering why i used fatal acceleration is cause I thought it would improve the speed of the secondary fire

spiral chasm
drowsy mauve
#

Ah
Okay

spiral chasm
#

and ofc tennokai on exilus

old sapphire
#

@wraith glade minute long redline, my current shards are set to strength but i recommend moar duration

old sapphire
#

krill issue, doesnt have to be TF tho

wraith glade
#

whats a krill

quiet laurel
#

waddesigma

old sapphire
quiet laurel
#

how do you survive

old sapphire
#

because the things trying to kill me are already dead

#

if they are dead; i cant be dead

velvet pulsar
old sapphire
fierce lark
#

gyre uses 1 arcane slot for infinite survivability nowadays

quiet laurel
#

truly a build of all time

wraith glade
#

yalls are isnane

fierce lark
#

circumvent is crazy

velvet pulsar
#

Good reminder
I haven't maxed that arcane

old sapphire
quiet laurel
#

wish gyres abilities could scale more

karmic badger
old sapphire
#

moar duration = moar fire rate

fierce lark
#

wut

old sapphire
karmic badger
#

His passive boosts recharge speed

wraith glade
#

does so only work for weapons? or is senda better for frames

fierce lark
#

oh yeah i see

old sapphire
#

but if theres SOMETHING im missing then god tell me

fierce lark
#

and the more he charges it the more buff he gets

#

redline always takes 1/3rd the total duration to charge

old sapphire
#

;-;

karmic badger
#

Idk, warframe players have issues reading (me too). I just know that gus prim goes fast so his shields recharge faster

quiet laurel
#

gauss buffs scaling off duration is making him so easy to build its crazy

karmic badger
#

Neg duration gauss is technically feasible too if you don't mind constantly recasting redline

old sapphire
#

ok since rev is so desperate to see my Kinji Hakari shield build here it is. venemous eximus and toxic ancients still one tap kek

quiet laurel
#

with subsume another victim of full duration/strength and neglect range and efficiency but build variety amirite

fierce lark
fierce lark
#

which essentially gives gauss full immortality to all damage except toxin

velvet pulsar
#

Negative strength affordable
Just like Zephyr

We should get a corrupted mod which gives duration at the cost of str

quiet laurel
karmic badger
old sapphire
quiet laurel
#

anyway aegis on gauss with fast deflection makes you immortal to shield damage

old sapphire
#

...

velvet pulsar
fierce lark
#

i just explained how and why and he said i know that xd

old sapphire
quiet laurel
#

so then why argue with "moar shield" DagathLUL

velvet pulsar
#

Some people willingly don't wanna use aegis gauss

#

Digest that fact

quiet laurel
fair sphinx
#

Talking about gauss

quiet laurel
#

its not like you can disable it or smth

old sapphire
fierce lark
#

everything beyond aegis deflection is taking up mod space and doing nothing

velvet pulsar
#

Hmm ||I'm also using that||

fair sphinx
#

How do you all like regen energy properly for gauss

fierce lark
old sapphire
quiet laurel
fierce lark
#

cureall energy fix

velvet pulsar
old sapphire
#

wtfffff

velvet pulsar
fair sphinx
#

Hmm maybe i am just doing something wrong because like when i play gauss, like i find myself running out of energy then dying

fair sphinx
#

like don't i have to run out of shield for kinetic plating to regen me energy ?

quiet laurel
fierce lark
#

different frames can use different methods but synth deconstruct on an aoe beast or a sentinel with tazicor/aoe ability, and equilibrium

is a universal energy solve

quiet laurel
#

not to be toxic or anything but its just so interesting to see 2 builds having build choices that would fit better on the other build

velvet pulsar
#

Can also use Universal Fallout + radiation manifold bond

old sapphire
fierce lark
#

im ngl

universal fallout sucks

old sapphire
fierce lark
#

i might be getting hard baited by using it on qorvex but it does not sustain energy enough to drop equilibrium

velvet pulsar
quiet laurel
fierce lark
#

well the point of fallout is you use it to drop equilibrium

velvet pulsar
fierce lark
#

for what lol

old sapphire
quiet laurel
fierce lark
#

companion mod slot is infinitely less valuable than warframe arcane

old sapphire
velvet pulsar
quiet laurel
#

gauss augment with 100% redline uptime would be so goated

velvet pulsar
#

With that said
I don't use equilibrium fallout

old sapphire
fierce lark
#

the 10th mod slot on a companion is never gonna be worth more than a warframe arcane

old sapphire
steady epoch
velvet pulsar
fierce lark
#

it might be better on oberon or hydroid

quiet laurel
fierce lark
#

it does not do enough on qorvex

fierce lark
#

and qorvex can get things to 10 rad stacks in like 1 second lol

velvet pulsar
steady epoch
#

On Oberon it says “everyone in the grass drops a universal orb”

fair sphinx
steady epoch
#

It’s so good

quiet laurel
steady epoch
#

Oberon is a beast since his rework

quiet laurel
#

caliban without his augment is just missing out on his kit atp

old sapphire
steady epoch
#

Or like Nova… ancient frame, crutches on two augments

#

Just make Neutron Stars part of her passive DE…

velvet pulsar
#

Nova doesn't have augment compulsion

quiet laurel
#

having to use an augment for hot shot truly is so enjoyable pls DE send 10 billion augments to nova

fierce lark
#

can't wait for uriel to get augments that do nothing bc his base kit is already broken

velvet pulsar
#

Y'all can feel free to switch to manifold bond primer for hot shot

quiet laurel
#

uriel will probs get an augment to have his 4 cost energy and be spammable or smth

fierce lark
#

actually

velvet pulsar
fierce lark
#

an augment that turns brimstone into a channel that he can hold indefinitely as long as he has energy would be absolutely disgusting

velvet pulsar
#

Power Rangers

quiet laurel
#

uriel augment to make his summons actually do smth DagathLUL

velvet pulsar
#

Megazords

quiet laurel
#

improved AI on an augment pls DE

steady epoch
#

Was thinking of the wrong thing

velvet pulsar
#

I detected a lie and it got deleted

quiet laurel
#

was boutta say

steady epoch
#

I was thinking of orange shards

velvet pulsar
#

Hot Shot
Orange Shards
Tauron Strike arcane

steady epoch
#

That’s what my Mesa has

wraith glade
#

skibidi otoielt

velvet pulsar
#

Mods Fragor this guy

fair sphinx
steady epoch
#

A max rank Hotshot and Orange shards and I was able to remove the Ceramic Dagger/Secondary Outburst nonsense on Mesa and just run Furax Wraith like a gentlemen

fierce lark
fierce lark
velvet pulsar
steady epoch
velvet pulsar
fierce lark
#

if it's a melee it can equip crescendo which means outburst is bis

get math'd

wraith glade
#

does CO and PPP stack for harmony?

velvet pulsar
#

They're additive

steady epoch
velvet pulsar
wraith glade
#

why is my kullervo so buns

velvet pulsar
wraith glade
#

it doesnt even go to 100mil

steady epoch
#

Neither cause I’m not using Outburst on Regulators anymore

#

I think Hotshot and five tau orange is plenty of CC and adding Cascadia Flare for base damage on Regulators might be more damage with a little viral

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The CD from Outburst is the only thing I miss

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But Mesa is super borked rn so it doesn’t matter

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But I don’t know the math that well so i could be very very wrong

tranquil plover
karmic badger
tranquil plover
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galvinized mods that add status i think

fathom sky
latent latch
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Thanks

tranquil plover
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i need a vinquibus build

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preferably endgame

fierce lark
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nothing special, viral heat rifle, 12x influence melee

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acuity optional if you want more pure single-target

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personally i would run dexterity on the rifle

karmic badger
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Gas could work for a bit of AOE

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Or blast, but not sure if blast procs 100% on death? Or is just whatever is on target?

fierce lark
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blast procs whatever stacks are left on death

karmic badger
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Yeah, so gas is better in this case

fierce lark
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actually the calculation there is interesting

karmic badger
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Also gas procs from either melee or rifle applies the benefits to the other

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So if you got a couple melee induced fart clouds lingering, the rifle will get the ammo efficiency

fierce lark
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normally when you hit 10 blast stacks it explodes for 300% base weapon damage (multiplied by status damage and twice by faction damage)

but if you kill an enemy with blast stacks on it, it will explode and do that same amount of damage per stack in the same radius

karmic badger
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So its 300% per proc when killed?

fierce lark
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yes

karmic badger
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Bloody hell

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they gonna have to glue you back together, IN HELL!

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I suppose its to make it more worthwhile for really big damage weapons

idle mantle
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ay so i feel like everything i have rn sucks

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i just finished the new war but im still using frames like rhino and equinox

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i just got umbra prime but i feel like i just have him loaded out like trash

steady epoch
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Rhino and Equinox are very good

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Equinox can be one of the most powerful nukes in the game, and Rhino is invincible up to a very high level

idle mantle
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his iron skin ability is the reason i use him

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this is my main weapon for umbra here

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skiajati

old marsh
idle mantle
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i think my prob is idk how to mod properly

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i think i need to just watch some yt vids on it

fierce lark
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mod for all the different aspects of your damage output

base damage, crit chance, crit damage, attack speed, range, elemental damage, optionally faction damage

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a big hurdle of the early game is actually getting all of the important mods

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there's a very quick an easy way to fix this setup though

remove guardian derision and shocking touch, then swap the placements of north wind and molten impact

if you have a mod that gives you attack speed (quickening/fury), put it in there, and put in organ shatter if you have that

versed birch
idle mantle
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so like this???

hard dove
idle mantle
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i dont have one somehow

astral tinsel
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blood rush

clear dawn
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whats the best nuke frame

gleaming oasis
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which attributes and special gimmicks are should you mod for on the acceltra prime?

hard dove
obtuse locust
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Hey gamers, I’m using this build for mag
(https://overframe.gg/build/511592/mag-prime/mag-prime-239-str-235-rng-nourish-100-armor-strip-ez-endurance-steel-path/)
but it doesn’t recommend any archon shards, I put two yellow ones on for casting speed but don’t know what I should use for the other three, any suggestions?

astral tinsel
gaunt sapphire
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ignore the low rank arcanes, im gonna grind those in a bit

karmic badger
gray canyon
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Hello. is this the max potential strength build of a chroma, or it could add more?

little badge
abstract bison
scenic echo
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The status duration kills it if you’re going for deadhead or frostbite

scenic echo
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Additionally multishot is no bueno on ax-52 if you’re running primary acuity

lethal vine
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Is the trumna a multiplicative CO weapon?

undone dust
lethal vine
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alr

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so what mods should i put on if im building for the grenade?

cunning finch
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how much worse is the Boltor Inc compared to Burston inc? I sadly missed burston so im thinkin of making Boltor instead

steady epoch
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make them both

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both are very usable

frosty fjord
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it is somewhat worse yeah but still not necessarily bad

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I never personally used it too much since I had burston incarnon first but it was still doing its job

fathom sky
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Boltor's far worse but it's pretty unfair to compare it to Burston anyway. It's still Incarnon so it's still good.

frosty fjord
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yeah its just that a lot of things will just be "worse" if you compare to burston but that doesn't necessarily make them bad

cunning finch
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what makes burston so much stronger compared to most weapons?

fathom sky
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Absolutely broken fire rate and massive increase in base damage from evolutions

abstract bison
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so far i have the soma, sybaris, burston, boltor incarnons they all feel meh

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i bet the braton incarnon is different this time

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it'll be different this time trust

frosty fjord
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braton is pretty similar to burston no?

fathom sky
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55 base damage, 50% CC and 3x CD and 20 FR (Counting evos and in Incarnon Mode) is just nuts.

abstract bison
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burston has the syndicate augment for fire rate and +1 gas truth nuke

fathom sky
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Braton's just worse Burston.

abstract bison
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truth nuke

frosty fjord
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yeah thats what I thought too

fathom sky
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slightly more base damage but far less fire rate

abstract bison
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gas blast wins again

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maybe the braton will be like the lex in terms of simplicity

dim viper
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the only primary i feel even close to burston is latron

abstract bison
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truth nuke ExcaliburLUL

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maybe i should build the burston for acuity and see what happens

abstract bison
dim viper
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just bigger reds but there’s no actual point. multi shot is way more useful

uncut thunder
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should I pick the new or the old one?

fathom sky
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-CD is immediately useless

abstract bison
uncut thunder
dim viper