builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

make excal do something unique to him

[near vortex]

Swap amalgam organ shatter to base

[fierce lark]

rather than just being a bad valk

yeah amalgam shatter is useless for tennokai

tenno heavies already fire at max speed

[abstract bison]

i already tried this setup and it just wastes a mod slot and not really needed

[abstract bison]

there's already a base mod

[near vortex]

Base organ shatter

[fierce lark]

he;s saying organ shatter > amalgam organ shatter

[abstract bison]

it's just 5% lol

what if i wanted to spam heavies without tennokai

[fierce lark]

amalgam loses 5% crit for faster heavies, but you don't get faster heavies because tennokai already makes your heavies as fast as they can go

then you'd be using a different config

[mortal canyon]

Heyo peeps i been away for like 1 year and half.
Is this still worth for thrown melee ?

[near vortex]

Then your build setup for that is garbage

You need a heavy build to play heavy spam, not a light attack Tennokai build

[abstract bison]

i had a galv reflex and ready steel setup but i really wanted to hit that 300% str with growing power

[fierce lark]

couple things to change out, also glaive kinda fell off a lot

glaive the weapon not the weapon type

a bunch of other glaives are much better

[abstract bison]

bro it's just 5% lol

[mortal canyon]

which ones ?

i still make stuff explode but i assumed there's stronger stuff

[fierce lark]

falcor, xoris, coda pathocyst

[abstract bison]

i used to rely on initial combo mods but then i maxed out the naramon tauron strike

[fierce lark]

things that work with influence basically

xoris and falcor have forced electric on explosion so they proc influence very easily

pathocyst has very high status chance so it can proc influence reliably in groups and has forced viral on explosion, which spreads with influence

[mortal canyon]

but that just deals electric dmg, i want burst dmg

[fierce lark]

influence does burst damage

it does burst damage to every target in an 18m radius

[abstract bison]

glaive prime can also be built for influence and has better base stats, it just loses on the guarantees

[fierce lark]

tbh i can't really put into words how broken influence is, but people intentionally try to avoid running it because of so

[coral crest]

duplicate or afflictions, call it

[fierce lark]

it doesn't spread the forced slash proc, or so ive heard

and all the glaive builds ive looked at run duplicate over influence

[abstract bison]

it's blast electric instead just like the redeemer prime which is still pretty good

[mortal canyon]

i guess all those thrown melee with the electric thingy are built the same right ?

[fierce lark]

yep

melee builds have completely devolved into copypaste influenceslop for the most part

[mortal canyon]

anybody has a pic of the new build ?

i usually just copy paste builds xD

[abstract bison]

influence slop

[fierce lark]

if you do want to throw the glaive glaive though, the build you have is fine, though you'd want to run sac steel instead of galv, drop gladiator might for something (or keep it until you max rank your sac steel) and run melee duplicate

[abstract bison]

weeping wounds without condition overload, shocking i know

[mortal canyon]

interesting, pure status

[fierce lark]

not quite

influence melees don't build viral, just pure elec

because who cares about viral when everything on screen is dead anyways

[abstract bison]

it's high nooooon

90% heavy attack efficiency in case you fk up the tennokai

[fierce lark]

this is standard slop influence with the flex slot between reach/smite/attack speed

[abstract bison]

if the base attack speed is that high already why not use primed fury

it's way comfier

i hate conditionals

[fierce lark]

smite triple dips influence procs so it's advised to run if you can be bothered, and offload the range to incarnon form or the attack speed to warframe buff/arcane

[mortal canyon]

what's melee duplicate ?

[fierce lark]

cavia arcane, rare drop from netracells/archimedea

[abstract bison]

i don't like melee duplicate because i run wrathful advance most of the time

[fierce lark]

i dont have primed fury, but even if i did "kill enemy" isn't a hard conditional to fulfill

[abstract bison]

what if you're alone with just one boss

[fierce lark]

then im probably not meleeing it

[mortal canyon]

holy it's 200pl xD

[abstract bison]

what if you're a melee frame

[fierce lark]

yeah it's a rare arcane, and i don't think it's farmable

[fierce lark]

if you are a human with the ability to make decisions for yourself, you can choose to slot pfury if you have it over bfury

if you need it for 1 target specifically

in 99% of circumstances, bfury is better

[lavish orbit]

don't think that circumstances is good against bosses tho

[fierce lark]

good thing bosses only spawn in the assassination mission type, which you will know before you queue 🙃

[abstract bison]

you're out of ammo bc you're using one of those wacky low ammo guns

you can also just outsource your melee crit damage to purple shards and use amalgam organ shatter for utility lol

tennokai can still be slow without heavy windup mods on some weapons

[fierce lark]

what

tennokai forces max speed heavy lol

[near vortex]

tennokai is automatically max speed
it doesn't take with heavy speed

[mortal canyon]

me dislike umbral mods, i barely have formas for those

[abstract bison]

wait really?

guess i was just imagining things

[near vortex]

This is the second time we've said this to you

[fierce lark]

usually you'd forma around them

it's fine if you don't want to, galv steel is much easier to slot and the difference is very minor, and sac steel is only better when it's max rank and only for heavy spam

[mortal canyon]

ye i assume i can forma the rest but it's too much waste for a "support" usage.

I don't melee spam i just have it in case i run out of ammo

keeping left trigger is confier than spamming E and middle click hahahahah

[lavish orbit]

some weap are still slow tho, like ceramic dagger having the fastest finisher

[abstract bison]

this weapon feels so weak maybe it's the build

[fierce lark]

faster heavy windup won't make them faster than tennokai though

actual heavy spam builds that don't use tennokai will usually use all of the +windup mods

killing blow, melee ele, amalgam shatter

[lavish orbit]

Ye, just saying it depends of the weapon this time

[near vortex]

Need VQR on that, I think

[abstract bison]

it already has 8m radial

[near vortex]

Did I stutter?

It's either that or build for VR 12x combo

[fierce lark]

bigger radius is bigger radius, +160 cc from blood rush isn't exactly doing much

[abstract bison]

damn, ok master

[lavish orbit]

influence is doing the damage lol

[abstract bison]

pure electric influence is kinda bad without supercharged crits

[runic mason]

hey guys, jade armor strip is affected by ability strength right?

[abstract bison]

they only feel good with a viral primer

[mortal canyon]

and is this decent ? (acceltra)

[fierce lark]

would help to know whats on the riven

[abstract bison]

doesn't it already explode when i press the heavy attack?

[near vortex]

I used the Xoris for a long while before unlocking Falcor

[fierce lark]

crit chance, fire rate, toxin?

[abstract bison]

please explain master

[fierce lark]

damn

wow acceltra has the worst dispo ive ever seen

[near vortex]

Imagine exploding but it doesn't lose combo

I'm personally more familiar with VR

[mortal canyon]

yes but that adds more area

[abstract bison]

but it's already the largest aoe radius glaive lol

[near vortex]

You don't want bounces

[abstract bison]

so i just manually detonate

isn't the non manual explosion affected by power throw instead of killing blow

[mortal canyon]

yes it makes waaaaaaaaaay more dmg

[near vortex]

Yeah
It explodes twice
Once with the mod and once with the heavy

[lavish orbit]

Heard that xoris is factual better than falcor (or is that orvius ?)

[abstract bison]

it does? can anyone else confirm this?

[lavish orbit]

it does

[mortal canyon]

no clue, never payed attention to that xD

[lavish orbit]

throw it on a wall, wait till it explode then instant hit heavy attack

[near vortex]

Xoris and Falcor are both great

[abstract bison]

how can it bounce if you manually detonate it midair?

if it hits the target with vqr then you won't be able to manually detonate

[near vortex]

It hits an enemy and then you heavy

[fierce lark]

it hits enemy, explodes, then starts coming back to you

you wait for it to hit enemy then press heby

[mortal canyon]

the ideal is u make it explode on top of their head

and not at front

[mortal canyon]

what about glaive :c

[fierce lark]

the main reason it's run is for the blast radius anyway

[abstract bison]

i thought it goes back into your hand after you hit with no manual input

[quiet laurel]

falcor is better than xoris

[abstract bison]

with vqr

[fierce lark]

it does, if you do nothing

instead of bouncing around, it hits your target, then comes back, because vqr removes all the bounces

[abstract bison]

yes we have established there is no bounce with vqr but if it hits the target without manual detonation it just explodes with less damage then gets teleported back into your hand, i do not think it flies back

[mortal canyon]

i mean it needs to have a draw back tho.

AoE fast fire rate automatic weapon xD

[near vortex]

It flies back

It's just fast

Might be your rank 5 whirlwind

[abstract bison]

i didn't sense a stutter so this must be true

[near vortex]

I recommend turning that into a lower ranked Whirlwind
It won't be as instant but you can see it

Or try Dispatch Overdrive because that mod is awesome

[fierce lark]

i took off whirlwind and hated it

way too slow

[abstract bison]

the xoris is the slowest flying glaive out of the falcor and glaive prime

whirlwind is unusable on the glaive prime because it already flies super fast

harder to time the manual detonation

with whirlwind, the xoris flies marginally faster than the glaive prime without

[near vortex]

I recommend lowering the whirlwind a bit so you can VQR and explode twice

[abstract bison]

vroom

[near vortex]

Glaives tend to do an ungodly amount of damage because I play Limbo

[mortal canyon]

ew

[near vortex]

Am I detecting racism?

[abstract bison]

i replaced focus energy

[lavish orbit]

limbism

[near vortex]

I think blood rush should be taken off instead
The elec damage is hard to pass up

Since it's a Reflex heavy build you probably won't be using blood rush as much

[mighty flare]

oh thats why it was so weak
you have no electric mods

[mortal canyon]

operators are all from the same mother tho

[abstract bison]

with whirlwind this time, wow it does explode twice even if you fly it to their face first and then detonate

[abstract bison]

it was weak even with the electric mod

[mighty flare]

yea cuz its kinda scuffed

even more scuffed without an electric mod

[near vortex]

Lemme see if I can find my Xoris

[abstract bison]

now let's try it with wrathful advance

[mortal canyon]

i feel that's kinda low dmg tho

[fierce lark]

again, blood rush is not very helpful for heavy builds

[abstract bison]

oh golly gee hoo boy

[mortal canyon]

i usually measure just 1 attack

[abstract bison]

i didn't even need to do the explodey trick

[mortal canyon]

well damn xD

[lavish orbit]

I don't think influence is needed if you use WA tho

[mighty flare]

it is

[abstract bison]

doesn't the boosted crit also boost the influence proc dmg

man i love crit tiers

crit tier lover

i love you

[near vortex]

Ngl I don't know what I'm doing with my Xoris config
I kinda got away with my mods being wrong because Limbo can make modless glaives kill SP enemies

[fierce lark]

influence procs are boosted by all normal damage multipliers, double dipped by status damage, and triple dipped by faction damage

[near vortex]

I haven't touched Xoris since I moved to Falcor

[mortal canyon]

what u've got there in mods ?

[near vortex]

And I still need to put like 3-4 forma in my Falcor before it's done

[abstract bison]

these and whirlwind in the exilus because we like to go super fast

[fierce lark]

i assume most people treat xoris as a mid weapon because it's a quest reward

[abstract bison]

if you hit enemies faster and the object travels faster then you kill more enemies

[near vortex]

No, the weapon is great
It's just Falcor fits my bills more

[mighty flare]

xoris would look like this with bane/electric mod or whatever in the last slot

[abstract bison]

who needs bane mods when you can just keep hitting them faster

[near vortex]

Galv over sac if no external crit damage, iirc

[fierce lark]

me, id rather just have to hit them once

always sac for heavy spam

[abstract bison]

what if once isn't enough

you hit them again

[mortal canyon]

i think i have the exact same thing

[abstract bison]

but faster

[mighty flare]

galv steel means chance of no crits which is bad
only swap if external crit chance

[near vortex]

Idk, the triple dip on Electric influence procs goes kinda crazy

[mortal canyon]

almost

[mortal canyon]

i don't do those crits tho xD

[fierce lark]

sac vs galv is 120% cd vs 220% cc, and you have cd from organ shatter already

[abstract bison]

let's test this bad boy out

yes i have overformaed because i love this thing

[mighty flare]

please stop using br on heavy spam weapons 💔

[quiet laurel]

its tech trust

HUUUUGE crit chance

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-yummers-the-boys-yummers-meme-yummers-meme-gif-10229506808836437820

[fierce lark]

it says it right there, see? he drew it with the magic marker

[quiet laurel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1293884958053503036/1355621578892644424/cat.gif

[abstract bison]

without and then with wrathful advance glaive prime edition

i love crit tiers

oh look influence proc

[quiet laurel]

also influence on glaive prime has to be a bannable offense

can DE pls ban anyone who uses influence on glaive prime thx

[abstract bison]

you ain't seen nothin yet, lemme show my redeemer prime

[quiet laurel]

thats a whole different thing 😭

[mighty flare]

influence on glaive prime with no status chance mods is tech trust

[abstract bison]

you have to buildup combo first but they evaporate

[abstract bison]

hey if it procs it procs

i am a very lucky individual

[quiet laurel]

just use the dedicated influence glaives atp

[lavish orbit]

looks like me that put influence on shadow clones

[quiet laurel]

and let glaive prime have its gimmick of one of the few weapons thats still viable on slash only

[abstract bison]

it's a tennokai build so therefore it is a versatile hybrid build

you can shingshingshing with the melee weapon and still do heavies

you know what i love more than crit tiers? utility and versatility

i spit on conditionals i wish they didn't exist

primed pressure point and primed fury lover

[subtle fulcrum]

It did not proc

[abstract bison]

i tricked you

[subtle fulcrum]

No

[mighty flare]

it didnt

[subtle fulcrum]

And even if it did, it wouldn't have done anything

[abstract bison]

so it's just a less reliable xoris at that point

[quiet laurel]

maybe builds discussion is just the people we have ragebaited along the way

[fierce lark]

gaslight prime

trick people into thinking quest weapons are bad because you get them for free, so they sell their xoris and nataruk

[abstract bison]

ragebait discussion

oh someone made a meme already

[fierce lark]

actually tho, as much as xoris is a victim of influence breaking the game

nataruk has no right being as good as it is natty

[quiet laurel]

nataruk also good cause of a bug

[fierce lark]

are you talking about galv multico

[quiet laurel]

ye

[abstract bison]

maybe if i hit it enough times with low status chance the influence arcane will proc at some point

[fierce lark]

smile

[abstract bison]

and only then the kpm will skyrocket

[near vortex]

half of all weapons being good because of multiplicative condition overload:

[abstract bison]

like and subscribe for more tips

[near vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[fierce lark]

random multi co should stay in the game

since half the playerbase want to put 3 different base dmg on their gun anyways

[quiet laurel]

still waiting for DE to nerf multiCO without any reason other than "unintended"

[abstract bison]

they already nerfed it by not applying to aoe weapons

[quiet laurel]

MHBlacky made another click bait video about multiCO as if it were a new mechanic recently, so we'll see if it gets nerfed

I doubt it but youtubers can achieve anything

[vagrant anvil]

Can i make this any stronger ?
I love the weapon and just curios if theres any left potential?

I used overframe to demonstrate as i cant log in rn

[abstract bison]

i have a confession

[novel bear]

I think multico is too bugged for them to fix it quickly

[near vortex]

youtubers on their way to pretend Limbo doesn't exist:

[abstract bison]

only reason i run influence on the glaive prime is because i don't have duplicate maxed out yet

[fierce lark]

reading galv apt's mechanics on the trumna gives me a fun headache

[somber sable]

what weapon should i mod

[novel bear]

Duplicate unmaxed is still better than influence

[quiet laurel]

burston if you have incarnon, cedo if you dont have burston incarnon

[near vortex]

Any frames that take advantage of Cedo, and do you have Burston adapter

[fierce lark]

do you have the burston incarnon adapter

[somber sable]

i do

[fierce lark]

it's like top 3 primary in the game if so

[somber sable]

really?

[fierce lark]

yes

[somber sable]

ill try it out then

[fierce lark]

exploding heat minigun incarnon form with a metric shitton of ammo

[abstract bison]

ppl swear that it should be run without but i have the enlightened opinion that doing more single target damage on the trumna let's you charge the big aoe ball faster so it will be an overall net positive to the overall kill per minute

[fierce lark]

iirc it does additive dmg to the primary fire, does additive with the primary fire explosive but only to the person you hit, does multiplicative with the alt fire direct it and then does 0 with the alt fire aoe

when the mechanic itself requires its own wiki page and several user-made data sheets to explain how it functions

[abstract bison]

the point is to kill more single enemies faster with the added direct damage in order to charge up the big ball alt fire faster

[abstract bison]

like who cares if galv aptitude doesn't affect the alt fire aoe, it already does so much on its own

so you just build on the part where it is lacking

[fierce lark]

aptitude mostly isn't run on the trumna because it lacks the statuses to make it worth over serration

[abstract bison]

what if you just put serration together with galv aptitude, big IQ build

[mortal canyon]

what's the thrown melee with the biggest AoE explosion ?

[near vortex]

Xoris

[fierce lark]

it doesn't have IPS, just I, and only on the direct hit and at a fairly low weighting

[abstract bison]

if it doesn't have ips then the lowish status chance will still reliably proc what's already there

[fierce lark]

yeah but you need to proc 3 statuses for apt to beat serration anyways

[abstract bison]

if they're together in the same build then it's not about who's beating who

[fierce lark]

or 2 if you wanna factor in the status chance as more dmg

🤔

do we need to have the stacking base damage talk xd

[abstract bison]

additional status chance on a weapon with limited IPS and element

[mighty flare]

mod for viral, scope doesnt even increase the crit tier so just use critical delay
add some fire rate

[abstract bison]

diminishing returns yada yada

but will it really meet that on this use case

[mortal canyon]

ha, i did that without joining here hahahaaaaha

[vagrant anvil]

Its corosive and my riven adds heat so viral is a bit hard to do

[fierce lark]

you replace corrosive with viral, because viral better

doesn't the jupiter altfire force proc corrosive anyway?

[vagrant anvil]

Its the standart element of the weapon

[fierce lark]

it has innate corrosive yeah, but that doesn't interact with mods does it?

[abstract bison]

viral magnetic corrosive on the jupiter and then primary debilitate

[vagrant anvil]

So i should remove magnetic even if its good for eximus?

[mighty flare]

add ur riven

[fierce lark]

viral is good for everything

except corpus but you run pure tox for those

[mortal canyon]

what's the 2nd with most AoE ? 'cause getting the xoris is pain 😔

[abstract bison]

primary debilitate is crazy on the jupiter shotgun

[fierce lark]

falcor

[vagrant anvil]

Re roll it then ?

[fierce lark]

you can look for a better roll but it's usable as is

[mighty flare]

riven pretty meh but it replaces vital sense

[mortal canyon]

this is kinda a must in all throwables ?

[near vortex]

Xoris is NOT hard to get unless you sold it

[abstract bison]

try not using a riven, sometimes it's actually better lol

[fierce lark]

sometimes indeed, this is not one of those times

[abstract bison]

like a riven can do basically nothing for a weapon

[near vortex]

If you sold Xoris you deserve the pain of grinding it back

[fierce lark]

🙄

[abstract bison]

sometimes a weapon augment is already the riven lol

[mortal canyon]

that's the secret, i won't grind it back

[fierce lark]

the only painful thing about no xoris is having to use mesa to do granum void

thankfully every single weapon wants mag progen anyways so

[near vortex]

progen don't really matter when vices exists tbf

[abstract bison]

i did sell my xoris and had to farm it and was disappointed that the weapon was incredibly mid

[vagrant anvil]

Ok thanks
But what would be a preffered roll?

[jovial gull]

What could i improve, apart from the riven?

[novel bear]

No
Some use volatile rebound

[mighty flare]

something like fire rate / element to make it slottable then ms + cc/cd
tho tbf i though jupiter has low dispo

[mortal canyon]

but that doesn't add area tho

[vagrant anvil]

3/5

[fierce lark]

did the last hour make you realize that it is in fact not incredibly mid

[mortal canyon]

that's to avoid middle click, i see

[novel bear]

For br and ww

[abstract bison]

no it hasn't at all lol

[novel bear]

Build issue

[junior vigil]

Should I subsume Rhino to power up Wisp Prime? MR9

[fierce lark]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

can only lead a horse to water

[fierce lark]

i would wait until you have a rhino prime first but eventually yes, roar is overall the most powerful subsume to have access to

[coral crest]

For dealing damage that is

What would the the most powerful survivability subsume?

[abstract bison]

this is so mid compared to other things you can already do in this game

[coral crest]

Probably omamori?

[junior vigil]

Ok thanks

[mighty flare]

evade/silence/omamori (lazy gate)/gloom (persistence)

[coral crest]

Hmm, fair enough

Do you think DE knew it all along when they made Violence, a limbo acolyte, use a Silence subsume

[abstract bison]

limbo is a trash warframe anyway so it needed that subsume

[vagrant anvil]

Isnt speed trigger better?
I get primed shred on day 900 i unfortunately havent chosen it yet

@mighty flare

[coral crest]

I think you missed the joke

Sorry

[mighty flare]

Use Vile acceleration and if not available, then yeah

[abstract bison]

i'm slow please have patience

[fierce lark]

people who take primed vigor on day 200 👎

[coral crest]

Limbo has been hurt by Overguard a LOT, and the only way for him to counter that is with Silence

Acolytes were added in 2020, and so was the silence limbo

Overguard was introduced in 2022

[vagrant anvil]

Yeah that one i got
Alright many thanks
I really like this Ak 74 ish
Assault rifle
Bc it feels like an typical AR

[abstract bison]

i still don't get it

[fierce lark]

i love the ax

but

it feels way worse than it is

[mortal canyon]

what are the other options ?

[fierce lark]

fury and shred

primed shred is on most rifle builds

[mortal canyon]

😄

[coral crest]

The joke was that Violence was designed in a way that they retroactively knew the upcoming overguard addition 2 years earlier and Violence was a self fulfilling prophecy for Limbo

[fierce lark]

primed fury is berserker fury but bad, and primed vigor is just bad period

[coral crest]

You can say Limbo decided to choose violence

[mortal canyon]

me likes boom primarys tho

[coral crest]

Trumn-

[abstract bison]

oh now i get it, that's so hilarious

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[mortal canyon]

🤣 all AoE

[fierce lark]

truman still gets punch through iirc

[vagrant anvil]

I did it when i was still not deep into modding

[abstract bison]

no one asked but i got primed fury before they buffed the other melee attack speed mods like quickening

[mortal canyon]

i feel that punch through works when u not jumping like a maniac

[abstract bison]

arcane strike is only 5% more than primed fury but who wants to waste an arcane slot for attack speed

[mortal canyon]

and if u not jumping like a maniac = scary

[fierce lark]

probably every exalted melee frame who isn't levelcap health tanking

and kullervo

[vagrant anvil]

I stopped using glaive and im sitting on a riven for it

[mortal canyon]

which one

[fierce lark]

standard 12x influence melee build doesn't have room for reach + smite + attack speed, so using an arcane slot to gain a better version of the attack speed mod is pretty chill

[mortal canyon]

weird that i can't tag it in game

[vagrant anvil]

Hmm

[abstract bison]

there are plenty of better options like arcane fury, molt augmented, survivability arcanes, crepuscular, god forbid arcane energize

[novel bear]

Choose vigor for parasitic armor hildryn, trust

[mortal canyon]

how much u want for it ?

[abstract bison]

why do you need reach with influence

[vagrant anvil]

Well do it pm

[abstract bison]

exalted weapons already have 100% followthrough as well

[agile forge]

guys, which one is better for Steelpath, in the first one i try to make a nuke for the 4th hability dont have hellmith, and the 2nd one is for survival ?

[fierce lark]

arcane fury is worse than the mod it would be replacing, the same is not true for arcane strike, energize is almost a dead arcane atp and the rest mentioned are on a case by case basis but a melee-based frame is running offensive arcanes to boost their melee ability, which is what strike tends to do better than others

[fierce lark]

you need reach with influence because you have to actually reach your target in order to hit it to proc influence

influence doesn't hit things by itself, you still have to attack something

[novel bear]

What melee exalted frame is running crepuscular

How does that work?

[fierce lark]

evade excal so he can headshot with blade waves obv

[abstract bison]

well duh

[coral crest]

Uhhh, ash?

[novel bear]

Pseudoexalted

I’m pretty sure bladestorm doesn’t turn off huras anyways

[fierce lark]

also, high follow through makes higher range better, means you aren't doing reduced damage when your range allows you to hit 4 enemies at once

[abstract bison]

but you're already nuking the enemies within 30m so why reach

[fierce lark]

can you read or

[novel bear]

Hitting more enemies at once means inflicting more status effects

[abstract bison]

and it only procs from single target, just focus on that lol

influence can only proc once after every cooldown from one target lol

[novel bear]

What?

[fierce lark]

have you ever actually used melee influence or are you just talking

[novel bear]

That’s not how influence works at all

[fierce lark]

influence is not a proc with a cooldown, it's a proc that gives you a buff which makes all of your electric statuses spread to everything within 18m

[novel bear]

All of your elemental statuses

[abstract bison]

cannot refresh while active, and it's only active when it procs from a single enemy

[fierce lark]

sorry yes, all of your electric procs spread all statuses to all targets within 20m

[abstract bison]

single enemy

just focus on one enemy and let the arcane do the work to others

[fierce lark]

no, not single enemy, if you proc elec on 5 things that's 5 chances to trigger influence

[subtle fulcrum]

No, every status you inflict on any enemy will be spread on all enemies in a 20m radius

[coral crest]

With proper melee you're going to kill them faster

[novel bear]

If influence is active, and you proc elec on five enemies, each of those enemies will get five elec procs

[abstract bison]

multiple electric procs can happen on a single enemy

[fierce lark]

okay and?

hitting more enemies is still more electric procs lol

[abstract bison]

reach is not needed lol

[fierce lark]

????

these two are completely unrelated points

[abstract bison]

sigh

[novel bear]

What are you putting instead of reach?
Elementalist?

[abstract bison]

attack speed so i can use better arcanes than arcane strike

[dreamy valve]

Hiii

[abstract bison]

or better yet

[fierce lark]

elementalist is already there

[novel bear]

Why are you not fitting attack speed in the first place?

[abstract bison]

literally anything else

[abstract bison]

omg bro

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-kitten-kitty-hi-hii-hey-gif-21229532

[fierce lark]

i'll post it again, but this is what pretty much every influence light melee build looks like

with bfury flexed for smite if you have it offloaded

[subtle fulcrum]

This is how it works:

• every time you apply electric, you have a chance to activate the arcane for 18s (active for 18s), once activated it cannot be refreshed (bring the timer from 10s back to 18s)
• while the arcane is active, every status effect you apply will be spread

[fierce lark]

or reach flexed for smite if you don't need it

[novel bear]

Elementalist flexes for smite

[fierce lark]

or that

[distant jackal]

Add archon stretch prime flow and adaptation right?

[novel bear]

Take off elementalist before you take off reach or attack speed

[abstract bison]

yes i literally posted the description

[subtle fulcrum]

You are on the wiki, scroll down and read what it says

[fierce lark]

you 100% don't need reach on incarnon melees, but it makes them feel better to use, and adding smite in its place would be overkill

you do need reach on most non-incarnon melees, because they tend to have a base range of 1.5-2.5m

[subtle fulcrum]

Yes and you literally didn't understand it

[novel bear]

Baruuk and Excalibur can get away with no reach

[fierce lark]

baruuk only because his light attacks shoot projectiles which work with combo

[subtle fulcrum]

You build range because hitting more enemies = more status spread = more dmg spread = higher killing speed

[novel bear]

Do excal’s projectiles still not build combo?

[fierce lark]

i thought he only shot projectiles on heavy

[subtle fulcrum]

They do

[novel bear]

No, light attack shoots projectiles too

[abstract bison]

i do understand it, what i don't understand is why reach is mandatory that is all

[novel bear]

The heavy is multico though

[fierce lark]

rare excal w

[fierce lark]

simple math equation

hitting more enemies per attack = doing more damage + more chances to trigger influence = even more damage = the reason you're modding your weapon to begin with

or, being able to start hitting the enemy sooner = less time until they start dying

either way, more range is making things die faster

[abstract bison]

it's not more damage, it's just increasing the probability to proc the arcane because you will potentially hit more enemies in a group

[fierce lark]

you do realize that when you hit enemies, they take damage, yeah?

[abstract bison]

you are confusing amount of damage to kill ratio

[fierce lark]

nami solo 12x incarnon lights with some weapon buffs kill most steel path enemies in 1-2 hits whether influence is active or not

[subtle fulcrum]

Benefits:

• hit enemies from afar, no need to kiss them to kill them
• hit more enemies than the one you are hitting, meaning influence also spread from enemies behind so influence reaches even further
• hitting more enemies means the ones you hit behind also spread their dmg taken to the main target you are hitting, killing it faster

[fierce lark]

and exalted melees do a lot more damage than nami solo does

sooo

[abstract bison]

yes it increases the probability of that 20% by hitting more enemies but it does not increase the damage

[subtle fulcrum]

Ok you didn't understand the arcane

[fierce lark]

extending your range also extends the range you can spread influence procs, since it goes off of the target you're hitting, not off of your warframe

[subtle fulcrum]

There's no 20% probably

It's 100%

[subtle fulcrum]

Once active, it's 100% for 18s

[novel bear]

It’s a persistent buff

[subtle fulcrum]

Scroll down I beg you

[novel bear]

Not something that happens once every 18 seconds

[subtle fulcrum]

Melee Influence is a Melee Arcane Enhancement that grants melee Electricity status procs a 20% chance to grant a timed buff that causes melee elemental status effects to spread to enemies around the targeted enemy. The buff cannot have its duration refreshed.

[fierce lark]

fixating too much on the 20% number and not the "Timed Buff" aspect

[uncut radish]

could someone give me a mesa build? im confused if i should use blind rage and transient together or just one of them (and if so which one)

[subtle fulcrum]

Do you speak english natively or do you need a translation?

[fierce lark]

neutral efficiency mesa enjoyer myself

[abstract bison]

oh no i thought you said to scroll down sorry english is not native language

[subtle fulcrum]

Forget everything you know about the arcane and read the whole page

[abstract bison]

that's just another way of saying this correct

[fierce lark]

.

[subtle fulcrum]

I'm asking because it could be the case and I would need to see the issue differently in order to help you

[uncut radish]

can i ask if ability duration does anything for mesa? doesnt her 4th ability depend on the amount of energy you have only or am i just dumb T_T

[abstract bison]

oh i was under the impression that you already knew what was down there

[subtle fulcrum]

Yes the arcane description is correct, but it's not precise enough and leads to misunderstanding, just like you right now

[fierce lark]

increases the duration of her buffs obv, and reduces the energy drain on her 4

[abstract bison]

ok so it's a timed buff yes? so how will the added range on the melee from reach increase things on an arcane that already has a 30m radius

[uncut radish]

ah i see thank you!

[abstract bison]

does it magically turn that 30m radius into 60m?

[uncut radish]

i thought drain was only affected by efficiency lol

[abstract bison]

and we have already established that hitting more enemies does increase the probability for the arcane to proc in the first place

[fierce lark]

no, but it can magically turn 5m into 28m, if a target is 8m away from me i can't hit it with 5m range, but i can hit it with 8m range

[abstract bison]

have you considered moving closer

[fierce lark]

i have

turns out, it's faster to just press the attack button now instead of moving closer first

crazy stuff, took awhile to figure out

[abstract bison]

you can do both at the same time, might be difficult i know

but what's the point

what would we replace reach with anyway?

[fierce lark]

yeah but i can't hit it over there now if i have to get closer first

with Primed Reach™, now i can

[abstract bison]

finally something other than damage eh?

i love utility as well

[subtle fulcrum]

Hitting an enemy in front of you, you deal dmg to him and enemies in a 20m radius.
But if you also hit enemies in a 5m cone in front of you, you get multiple 20m radius circles which don't have the same centers, making you hitting 5m more to the front, 5m more to your right and 5m meter more to your left

[abstract bison]

i think only one 20m proc can be active at the same time

or do you want me to read the wiki

[subtle fulcrum]

Well that's not right

[fierce lark]

smite/gladiator might

[abstract bison]

so it's not needed then

[fierce lark]

if you were not running it, that would be the replacement

you should still run it

but if you, say, don't own primed reach, you'd run smite/might/ppp in the slot instead

[abstract bison]

the wiki is in english so it might take some time for me

or maybe the wiki is wrong

we should edit the wiki

[subtle fulcrum]

Once you activate the arcane you see the arcane logo next to your other buffs, it's ticking down from 18s. DURING those 18s, EVERY status effect you inflict will be spread in a 20m radius around its origin (the enemies who first got hit by the status effects).
At the end of the 18s you no longer have this buff and you need to trigger it again by inflicting electric status effect

[abstract bison]

yes we already covered this thank you

[subtle fulcrum]

And you still think only one status can be spread

[abstract bison]

when did i say that

[subtle fulcrum]

One 20m proc

[abstract bison]

is the word status in there?

[subtle fulcrum]

That's what I understood of your words because "one 20m proc" doesn't mean anything in warframe terms

[abstract bison]

the arcane bro

because if we read carefully again it cannot refresh while active meaning the arcane effect

[fierce lark]

why does that matter

[abstract bison]

not the status during it's duration

[subtle fulcrum]

No, not the arcane effect

[abstract bison]

meaning there's only one instance of the 20m

[subtle fulcrum]

You cannot refresh the buff.

Think of it like roar, you activate it, you get all its benefits for the duration but you can't refresh it, you have to wait for it to expire in order to cast it again

[abstract bison]

yes we already know that lol

[subtle fulcrum]

You are literally saying the opposite

Good night ragebaiter prime

[abstract bison]

good night reading comprehension

[fierce lark]

if you hit 5 enemies with influence active, influence will spread electric status 5 times, there is not only one instance of 20m

[subtle fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/knowers-gif-17664839134667490416

[abstract bison]

only one instance of 20m influence can be active and the status, while the arcane is active, is only contained in that 20m

[fierce lark]

it is contained within 20m of any target that you strike with a melee attack

if you hit someone who is 8m away from you, it will spread statuses to someone who is 20m away from him

if you hit 5 people who are each 8m away from you in any direction, they will all spread statuses to any targets within 20m of each of them in any direction

melee influence does not care where you are, it only cares where your target is

[abstract bison]

yes exactly, within 20m of the specific target

[subtle fulcrum]

Plural

20m of all targets

[fierce lark]

within 20m of any target that is attacked by you

[subtle fulcrum]

All targets struck by you

They all emit their 20m aoe

[abstract bison]

the arcane can only be active once and has a duration so 20m radius from one target

[fierce lark]

bro i give up

[subtle fulcrum]

Yeah just stop

He is making his own rules

Or being very very good at ragebaiting

[abstract bison]

do you know how big 20m is ingame

[fierce lark]

about this big

[abstract bison]

yes it doesn't extend further than that

[wicked vortex]

in missions, i'm noticing my wisp's sol gate is dealing corrosive stacks to enemies and i'm trying to figure out where that status is coming from 🤔 i have my vulpaphyla's claws modded for electricity and my primary inflicts gas & cold so i am really confused as to how i'm getting corrosive on enemies

[novel bear]

Haste motes

Reservoirs buff sol gate

Haste makes it do corrosive, vitality and shock just buff damage

[wicked vortex]

thank you! i appreciate the clarification :3

so that means i'd be able to benefit from the emerald archon shard's +ability damage to enemies affected by corrosive?

[novel bear]

Yes

[abstract bison]

if they all emit their own 20m aoe then the radius would be way past 20m which is not the case

[wicked vortex]

awesome :D

[abstract bison]

you must be under the impression that 20m is smaller than what it actually is

the arcane's effects are contained within that 20m

it doesn't spread outside of that

[novel bear]

When you hit an enemy and inflict an elemental proc with influence active, that proc spreads to enemies within 20m of that enemy
If you hit a different enemy, the 20m is calculated based on that enemy

[abstract bison]

yes that's what i'm saying this whole time lol

[subtle fulcrum]

It's 20m, 20m from their position.
Throw a handful of discs on the ground and they cover a whole area, but their own radius is still the same

[abstract bison]

wow gigabrain

a whole 20m area

one 20m area

one not multiple 20m's

[fierce lark]

every enemy hit by your melee attack emits its own 20m area, every single one of them

if i throw a glaive in the middle of 20 enemies and it procs influence, every enemy hit by the glaive explosion will spread an electricity proc to every single other enemy within 20m

[abstract bison]

the effect only chains within a singular 20m radius

[icy hollow]

😭

[abstract bison]

that radius, that physical digital space that you have shown

[icy hollow]

6/7 ragebait

[abstract bison]

every enemy inside that 20m radius doesn't generate their own 20m radiuses like what that absolute genius was saying

[subtle fulcrum]

They do

[abstract bison]

skibidi ragebait

[quiet laurel]

bros spreading misinfo so confidently lmao

[icy hollow]

You just read it wrong, it's enemies hit inside the initial weapon radius generating their own 20m influence spread

[quiet laurel]

there is a reason why influence has squared scaling

[fierce lark]

then what is this?

please explain to me why the singular enemy who is 20m away from my 6 targets suddenly has 6 stacks of electric

[icy hollow]

So if you have a glaive that detonates in 12m radius, and 2 enemies at the edges of the explosion, opposite to eachother, you'll get 20m from each edge of the glaive detonation (from those enemies being hit by the initial detonation, not the influence spread)

[rocky aurora]

Pretty easy to look info up on the wiki

[abstract bison]

you procced the arcane again in a different location

[subtle fulcrum]

He took a screenshot of the whole description already

[fierce lark]

and? what does that have to do with it

[rocky aurora]

In game or wiki? In game descriptions can be misleading most of the time

[subtle fulcrum]

Wiki

[rocky aurora]

Then idk what the confusion is, it's pretty straightforward imo

[abstract bison]

you got me, idk

ragebait over

[fierce lark]

it's likely extreme ragebait

[subtle fulcrum]

He doesn't understand why we build for range

[brittle sleet]

This is the confusion, I guess. Debating whether one explosion can affect 5 enemies with Influence at once, or if the game will somehow choose one of those 5 enemies to spread Influence's 20m radius from

[subtle fulcrum]

"range does nothing but QoL, just get close to the enemy"

[rocky aurora]

Lmao yeah it's either 6th grade reading level or ragebait

[abstract bison]

googoo gaga

[brittle sleet]

Which, if it is just 1 of those 5, then we should have some established logic about which of those 5 enemies get picked

But afaik we don't and it should just be that the hit that procs Influence makes all 5 into spreaders

[fierce lark]

if you hit 5 enemies at once, influence will spread every proc that each of those 5 enemies gets to anoyne else in range, including each other

[brittle sleet]

Thus, bigger explosion makes for more spread

[fierce lark]

if i throw a glaive in the middle of 20 enemies with influence active, some of those enemies are going to have 20+ elec stacks

[abstract bison]

20m range which is pretty big

it's so strong

[icy hollow]

20m range is like ok

I've seen bigger

[abstract bison]

20m is average they say

8m is pretty small

[icy hollow]

!!

[rocky aurora]

Yea influence is dog because sevagoth exists with his tileset-wide %hp nuke
/s

[spiral chasm]

anyone know the mod setup for amps?

[abstract bison]

influence can go to 50m if you also use mecha set bonus

this is factual information

[rocky aurora]

50m is bad

[abstract bison]

a venn diagram of aoe radiuses

[fierce lark]

this for dmg i think

[abstract bison]

two circles

overlapping

like a goddamn eclipse

[fierce lark]

assuming you sling into the thrax's overguard before killing him

[rocky aurora]

Thats too much work

[fierce lark]

run whatever artifact you want

i have the status chance on tauron bc it gives initial tauron

which is objectively incorrect because tauron charging doesn't work half the time

[abstract bison]

initial charge just means you collect less orbs to charge the thing

so it's faster

[fierce lark]

if you take uskos you can do some funny blast/gas+heat secondary builds

[abstract bison]

you can still do like 3 schools only for the amp build and have 36% initial charge which is still pretty good

[spiral chasm]

Is the x3 dmg after void mode bad?

[abstract bison]

if it's 1 school per slot it's 40%

[novel bear]

Like the hystrix

[fierce lark]

it's probably good, i just don't feel like ranking up any other amp mods lol

[spiral chasm]

Its only on first shot tho

[fierce lark]

i can't imagine tapping ctrl for a 3x dmg shot is bad

[spiral chasm]

So if you miss its dead mod

[fierce lark]

tap ctrl shoot phahd

[abstract bison]

the white mod is prolly the flex one

i just like the knockdown res or maybe i could just go status dmg red

or the white multishot

[spiral chasm]

What does vik anam give?

I dont have that one yet for some reason

[abstract bison]

i know one red gives crit chance and dmg from the top of my head

was it uhh

[spiral chasm]

Cc is omn

[abstract bison]

ah vik anam is just amp energy and regen lol

maybe not needed with madurai waybound

[spiral chasm]

Hmmm okay thanks

[tardy lantern]

Can anyone help me I don’t know my war frame email and I don’t know what to do since I’m trying to change it bc of my new Xbox but my cousin made the Xbox acc and when I joined warframe it didn’t ask for a email so I don’t know how to sign in to my warframe acc on my new Xbox

Since I don’t know the email

I neeed helpppppp

[abstract bison]

this is the builds channel

[compact cypress]

what has to change on my latron build

heres the riven

[spiral chasm]

Are u going crit perk?

overall it looks good tho

the only mod that could help u do more dmg is double tap

[balmy kelp]

does anyone know which is better

[magic cargo]

is this acceptable?

[compact cypress]

yup

[compact cypress]

where do you get double tap from?

[spiral chasm]

night wave

the dmg is multiplicative to your final dmg

but if u miss 1 shot all the stacks get lost

[compact cypress]

is it in current nightwave?

[fierce lark]

need to find a better way to get furax wraith finishers

[lavish orbit]

Is that me or murmur is immune to ash teleport finisher ?

[proper echo]

Hey all, any recommendations for archon shards for Yareli?

[spiral chasm]

Not in the rewards line but keep a look out on the nighwave shop

Or u can always buy for plat

[spiral chasm]

I think shards give secondary cc or cd but i think thats what she wants not sure tho

[versed harbor]

bit of casting speed / parkour speed as needed, rest into secondary crit (orange)

[timid dust]

is caliban easy to mod for cap? is he good overall?

[brittle sleet]

Yareli's shards are all comfort choices but it is worth noting she has a unique interaction with armor from blue shards, in that they are the only way to boost the innate armor value Merulina herself has. Not particularly worth modding into for Loyal Merulina level cap shenanigans, but definitely worth noting if you're only gonna build her for, say, ETA/EDA

[coral crest]

Yes. Infinite energy, infinite shield, damage high enough to not have an expiration date

[brittle sleet]

Also important to note with Loyal Merulina builds is that ability strength double dips on the damage vulnerability from sea snares, since Loyal Merulina and Yareli's snares work together and multiply effectiveness

[coral crest]

His summons start dying a lot in cap

But they have a 4 hit gate like normal Sentients

So they can still take some punishment

But he NEEDS his augment

[brittle sleet]

Problem with the stacking of snares is that Loyal Merulina may bug out and stop spitting out snares if you're not host in a game

[coral crest]

Otherwise your damage will fall off

He also has a really strong damage vulnerability source that is also CC in a pinch

His 4 is a lingering armor strip "nuke" that falls off in cap rather early, so a lot of ppl use it as a subsume slot

[magic cargo]

yes

[proper echo]

Definitely good to know. I've dabbled with Loyal Merulina but honestly in terms of feel Guardian Merulina feels way better to me. I haven't yet messed around with ETA/EDA yet though (I just came back from a long hiatus) so that may change

[agile orbit]

Anyone got sone nice Ember Builds?

[pure reef]

Arcane Pistoleer is already good on her but it's worth noting that it goes turbo with the massive firerate from Guardian Merulina. You can consistently trigger the effect by using Combat Discipline too

[cloud pine]

Right or left?

[versed harbor]

both pretty annoying but left

[pure reef]

Left seems really sweet if you opt to use primary deadhead and primed recoil reduction.
Right is unusable due to the negative

[proper echo]

Oh I hadn't thought of that, that sounds fun lol. I'll definitely see what I can do with that

[cloud pine]

I’m mainly using the incarnon so the recoil isn’t that big of a deal ngl

[pure reef]

It's sick with the Riot-848. You can ignore the whole reload mechanic and instead benefit from the automatic bullet return from hitting the embedded projectile limit.
Rapid fire infinite ammo pistol that's constantly spitting and cycling it's bullets

[proper echo]

Oh I'm definitely gonna try that lmao

[pure reef]

really any pistol with insane firerate and an endless magazine goes hard as hell so take your pick. You just gotta be able to hit headshots occasionally so some AoE guns can be a little inconsistent

[proper echo]

Yeah I've been using the Kompressa so far just because firing a million bubbles all getting red crits with secondary ennervate is funny

but I'll try arcane pistoleer lmao

[gaunt narwhal]

hello new player here, quite enjoying Oraxia using Sobek with Acid Shells, not entirely sure what to do with spare capacity, any suggestions? I have no idea what mods are easy to farm or not so I'm starting to struggle a bit with knowing what to put on or aim to get

please be sure to ping me if you reply!

I also have no idea what secondary to use on her, I'm MR8

[eternal halo]

Does anyone have a low forma build for mesa? I’m struggling with her survivability right now.

This is my current build

[mighty flare]

adaptation over boreals
stretch + muzzle flash over augur message + fast deflection

[agile orbit]

Current Ember Build, maybe good, maybe crap, just know it lives a bit

[fierce pasture]

Which weapons can melt roathe the burston incarnon easily can do it but I'm looking for other options

[mighty flare]

laetum

[tall sphinx]

ocucor build?

[fierce pasture]

Alr

Il try

[uncut torrent]

how is my saryn build? what could i do to improve it?

[quiet bobcat]

Hey guys, does anyone have a spare archon vitality?

[cloud tartan]

can someone help me with this build it doing no dmg in SP

[grizzled mantle]

Can the Sybaris Prime Inarnon Genesis be good? I was thinking about doing a crit/ status hybrid head-shot build with tons of blast.

[limber oasis]

Which is the better riven for the Dera Vandal?

On the one hand I love multishot, buuuut big numbers...

Multishot also helps with Incarning, buuuut...

[lavish orbit]

Rolling parade to clean your status instead of adaptation, I would also put stretch instead of augur reach, brief respite is enough by using her 2nd when needed

[uncut torrent]

Alright thank you

[lavish orbit]

My pleasure

[lavish orbit]

Yes it's really good

[grizzled mantle]

I thought so!

[uncut torrent]

What weapons would go well with it? I currenrly use cedo prime, kuva nukor and hate

[lavish orbit]

The best you can get is the kuva sobek with acid shells mod

It deletes entire room

[uncut torrent]

Noted

Toxin bonus id assume?

[lavish orbit]

What you prefer, there is a kuva chart tho somewhere on internet

But this is saryn bonuses with her 1st that basically do the job

[uncut torrent]

Or maybe heat since ill be doing toxin innately with this build

[lavish orbit]

To stay safe and don't say bs, I prefer to stay over toxin progenitor like you said tho

[uncut torrent]

Alright

[lavish orbit]

I also like playing her with oraxia's signature melee weapon

It has basically acid shells in her passive lmao

[agile forge]

should i change something for titania prime for SP??

[twilit crest]

Yes

[agile forge]

what?

[twilit crest]

Idk

[neat harbor]

How do u survive

[twilit crest]

Ye aren’t u suppose to be in ur 4 the entire time how does rolling guard work

I don’t know the titania packets

[neat harbor]

https://overframe.gg/build/215181/titania-prime/beguiling-butterfly-titania-dps-general-use/

[agile forge]

i mean i was using rolling guard when i wasnt in my 4th. them equilibrium to get more energy. thats how i survived

[solemn mirage]

does my uriel have enough range?

[limber oasis]

Could do with a few more points.

[vagrant lagoon]

Keep or reroll

[patent storm]

Would thos be good for normal ember?

[golden flax]

I need advice. Which should I keep?

[spiral patio]

If you're using heavy attacks, the former is quite nuts

[lavish orbit]

Baby tenno 🥺 you should get healing flame from syndicate to survive easier with her

[patent storm]

How do I get that? Im newish still to the game

[uncut torrent]

what MR are you

[patent storm]

6

[uncut torrent]

uno momento

[spiral patio]

This is for Heavy Slam Sampotes - which would you take?

[novel bear]

Neither is good

[spiral patio]

i mean, that's one way to look at it xD

[uncut torrent]

aw im sorry id love to help but healing flame isint with either of my factions :(

[novel bear]

You’ll want to reroll either one of them, so it doesn’t matter too much which one you take

[spiral patio]

might I ask what I should aim for then? :)

[patent storm]

@uncut torrent what's factions?

[novel bear]

Ideal is probably cc, cd, and a harmless negative like range

[spiral patio]

sounds good - thankies :D

[uncut torrent]

this is more of a question for #warframe-general but its a system of 6 factions, where you will have 2 that like eachother, each of those have 2 that dislike or hate them

[patent storm]

Ohh I know those ok

Thank you

[spiral patio]

Thank you - I kept going, got rewarded :D

[vagrant lagoon]

Yo im genuinely baffled, I recently JUST got steel path and a pattern im noticing is that whenever im in a squad im ALWAYS the one with the most damage taken, damage dealt is always nearing even or maybe im dealing more, what am I missing why am i always taking the most damage? (and its always by a crazy amount aswell like 51% or 80%)

[frank girder]

They could be running casting frames to nuke or their time to kill on most enemies is lower than yours, letting enemies damage you more than they damage your teammates. Also consider rolling guard to clear status effects like heat, or adaptation to lower the damage you receive.

[near vortex]

what are some fun candidates for Primary Overcharge

[remote mist]

Does it matter? Are you surviving? I wouldn't worry about damage taken as a stat unless you find yourself dying or needing to slow your gameplay due to the damage

If you're playing a health tank and the others have invisibility for example that would easily explain it

[karmic badger]

Could also count self damage like Inaros or combat discipline

[north wedge]

I dont know how to mod, anyone have any tips besides just spamming ability mods on and status mods everywhere?

[karmic badger]

Well it depends on what you're building

Specific tips apply to specific things

[north wedge]

I'm scared now lol

I've never gotten specific besides movement

I just do general gameplay for fun and go around trying to do more damage

[karmic badger]

Well are you building a weapon platform frame? A caster?

Is your weapon more crit focused or status? Are you aiming for weakpoints or is it an aoe weapon?

[wooden belfry]

Hello, relatively new player here any recommendations on a Oberon prime build (I haven’t finished grinding for the hemlinth yet and don’t have any good arcanes)

[north wedge]

I would like an explanation on..all of this. I don't understand

[karmic badger]

Weapon platform is a playstyle that revolves around buffing your weapons to deal damage. Casters use abilities to deal damage.

As for weapons, well does it have above 25% crit chance and 2x crit damage? Or does it have big status chance? Is it a high fire rate automatic or a precision rifle? Does it have innate area of effect?

[north wedge]

I am a caster so far. I use the same two things for everything I do; Naturuk and Broken War. I usually just go back every now and then and put new mods to make damage go up, but I'm not sure how to anymore. So fsr I have 6k on Naturuk and my Operator does more damage than everything else.

[karmic badger]

What's the mod setup for both?

Do you have access to Arbitrations? If so do you have galvanized mods?

[north wedge]

I do not have galvanized mods. I just use Serration and status mods like Heat, Toxic, Radiation, and some other things. I currently cant go and check it out because it's so late at night for me, but I just use those things.

I have access to Arbitration though

[karmic badger]

Farming arbitrations for galvanized mods is definitely worth while, aside from that, farming corrupted mods from Deimos vaults is also good if you don't have them

Maybe even look up where to get 60/60 elemental mods

[north wedge]

Thank you!

I may be back tomorrow with new questions, but thank you so much! Have a good day or night!

[gritty stump]

what tau emerald shards option to pick for saryn?

[karmic badger]

Corrosive

[gritty stump]

+3 stacks?

[karmic badger]

Yes, though keep in mind you need +4 to full armor strip

[gritty stump]

i have 2 tau

[wooden belfry]

?

[gray lintel]

Maybe add augur reach and secrets gives a little more strength and range while adding some survivability with set bonus

[fierce lark]

one tau corrosive three tau +toxin damage, should have one yellow cast speed

[gray lintel]

And Oberon cant generate overgaurd so id swap Arcane Truculence with molt augment or aegis

If you want I can show my build does steel path pretty well

And i think its a no forma build

[opal dagger]

Thank you

Just need to get archon n hotshot but I can make this

Wait only 2 forms for mesa?

[buoyant gate]

Myself yes

It's mostly her regulators

Almost forgot a part

Mesa was my first prime you couldn't tell

[fierce lark]

fleeting expertise is certainly a choice

[unborn folio]

need some recc on my gauss prime archon build

[vagrant lagoon]

Other than some mods missing upgrades, what stuff could i add/change to my nataruk build?

[fierce lark]

probably i'd run speed trigger over shred if it doesn't make you mistime the shots, looks fine otherwise

bane would be preferable over heavy caliber where it's usable, if you don't mind using configs to switch between factions

[kindred lichen]

All reds for duration, no need for yellows

Or armor

[unborn folio]

will try, thanks!

[vagrant lagoon]

I dont like faction mods lol

[fierce lark]

that's fine

i don't either tbh, they only apply to half the things you fight in most fissures, and there are no faction mods for anything relatively new

[fickle meteor]

Hey guys, I only played Warframe the whole time I played, I forgot about Railjack, Tenno, Duviri and all the other stuff, could you give me a good Railjack build and a good damage build for Tenno?Nothing too specific to any particular Warframe or synergies, just buffing the Warframe's damage...can you help me?

[buoyant patio]

Nataruk has infinite body punch-through anyways, so no need for punch-through mods.

[fierce lark]

punch-through lets you shoot through thin walls/corners

thats why primed shred is slotted in the main build

[buoyant patio]

I mean if you've got Primed Shred yeah, might as well take advantage of that.

But regular Shred is kinda eh.

[fierce lark]

for me it's the case in most circumstances

if you have primed shred run that, if you don't then run speed trigger or another source of PT if you have outsorced fire rate

or vile acceleration if you aren't shooting a bow

[old marsh]

anyone here used Simulor with its augment? is it even worth building?

[orchid prairie]

I have a question, so i love Ivara but the only issue i have with her is energy sustain, my build revolves around the fact that i can infinitely control the grimoire secondary fire aslong as i have energy and it deals alot of damage but the energy is the only issue. Sooo i was wondering if putting dispensary over her fourth would be a good idea. That way i can gain energy while in my aim mode without having to stop the mode and go run around to get energy, this way my dps is also a little more consistent

Opinions?

[velvet pulsar]

Nope

[velvet pulsar]

Sahasa Kubrow

Dig = infinite dispensary

[orchid prairie]

Oh interesting what does it do?

I dont evem have the normal kubrow lol gotta do the quest

[velvet pulsar]

Dispensary but has foot

Digs energy if below a certain threshold (iirc if below 80%?)

I was working on another method but it is buggy so far to be not reliable

So u can take help of good old reliable sahasa kubrow for now

[orchid prairie]

Ouhhh cool tysm, and how to i get one of these?

[fierce lark]

get a kubrow egg from earth missions(break kubrow dens), and either pray to rng or buy some sahasa imprints from a player

[orchid prairie]

Oh interesting 🧐

[velvet pulsar]

First kubrow quest I think?
Then u get an egg, it'll take either 3 days to reveal the dog, or u spend plat to rush

The dog type will be random unless u have 2 genetic templates of sahasa kubrow to guarantee it

[fierce lark]

all the kubrows and kavats are the same MR as warframes anyways so you should go through all of them eventually ideally

if you haven't done howl of the kubrow quest you need to do that first yes

[velvet pulsar]

After a really long time I got another kubrow just yesterday

Lucky that it turned out to be raksa as I wanted

[orchid prairie]

And how do i get these generic templates?

Genetic*

[velvet pulsar]

Other players copy those from their own sahasa, then u trade from them, u use those before the process and if u used both templates of sahasa you are guaranteed to get sahasa

[fierce lark]

you buy them off of players, from warframe.market or wherever

in the form of imprints

https://warframe.market/items/sahasa_kubrow_imprint

you need 2 to guarantee the correct breed, thankfully sahasa is very cheap

[orchid prairie]

Oh interesting

[velvet pulsar]

Surprisingly cheap

Considering we just got archgun buffs not long ago

[orchid prairie]

Tysm, and i can use these on the very first egg i get right, like the quest egg?

[velvet pulsar]

I don't remember that
Been a long time since I did the quest

But getting an egg is easy

If you're lucky, the quest will give u a sahasa by itself

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[fierce lark]

there's not much use for a walking shovel these days

[velvet pulsar]

Unbelievable

[fierce lark]

there's a multitude of ways to sustain energy, ammo is rarely an issue, and if you want loot you're probably better off with smeeta (or running a better companion and killing things faster)

[orchid prairie]

Mhm, i also just read the dig thing it uses its ability every 20ish seconds

With a guaranteed chance of giving you 2 and 70 chance of 1

[velvet pulsar]

It's dispensary on foot

Except it rolls stuff which u need

[orchid prairie]

Yeah, but wilk that be enough energy? Ivaras second ramps up how much energy you use per second

[velvet pulsar]

You'll have to pair up either energize or energy orb effectiveness

[fierce lark]

is there any particular reason why ivara can’t run the usual synth deconstruct + equilibrium?

[velvet pulsar]

No movement

This is a navigator setup

[frosty fjord]

don’t need smeeta specifically if you want loot farming in general now but if you also want the charms then sure

[velvet pulsar]

Ur other option is dethcube with energy generator

[orchid prairie]

Im not gonna be moving with my build, i want my grimoir to delete everything witj navigator

[velvet pulsar]

Dispensary won't remain permanent unless u have a protea specter

[orchid prairie]

Truthness

Ummmm i might do the kubrow or deathcube witj nourish

Since itll increase energy effectivness and give me a nice i crease in damage

[velvet pulsar]

There was another option, unfortunately it's bugged

[fierce lark]

you’re running 130 efficiency + tandem bond right

[orchid prairie]

Oh? Whic is it?

[orchid prairie]

No im running a strength duration build but my efficiency is 108

[fierce lark]

actually tandem won’t work because the companion needs to attack things

[orchid prairie]

Ah ic ic

[fierce lark]

if you’re struggling this much for energy you might need to drop a bit of strength and run streamline

[velvet pulsar]

This can be equipped on grimoire, but it only registers orb pickup when the alt fire expires.

Also IDK what but it either precisely requires u to aim the alt fire through energy orbs or the chain lightning needs to hit the orbs

I don't think DE will fix this, on the contrary they might remove this from grimoire

[orchid prairie]

Ouhhhh thats cool

Thats sad its bugged tho

Ohhhh no aoe

[orchid prairie]

I have streamline 🤗

[velvet pulsar]

Seriously it's a miracle that grimoire alt fire has both infinite bounce and infinite punch through along with navigator overriding the duration lock.

There's several constraints with navigator

[orchid prairie]

Yeah, its super cool tho i love Ivara

Deff my fav frame

[twilit bay]

Hear me out, Penance on Mag???

[velvet pulsar]

I have a funny plan to test regarding navigator

Unfortunately I don't have vexoric yet

[orchid prairie]

Ouhh im all ears

[orchid prairie]

Is that a gun?

Im newish lol so idk mich about all this

[velvet pulsar]

Do u have naramon ultimate?

[velvet pulsar]

Ah ok

[fierce lark]

wut

[velvet pulsar]

I don't wanna hype up a potential disappointment in advance so I'll wait and test

[fierce lark]

penance isn't harrow's subsume lol

[orchid prairie]

Mone of em

[velvet pulsar]

I did the same mistake

I kept forgetting the original name some time ago

[fierce lark]

condemn

(his 1)

[velvet pulsar]

Imagine getting rid of pillage on hildryn just for this in order to spite the infested

[twilit bay]

Fire rate has a cap ?

[orchid prairie]

How do put this in the egg?

[velvet pulsar]

I'm not online rn or I could've sent a screenshot

It's in the kubrow breeding section

[orchid prairie]

I think i found it

[orchid prairie]

Yeah i dont think the kubrow will work lol

Just tried it dosent give newrly enough

[fierce lark]

not that i know of

[sonic drum]

Hmm is Dante's Book Gun worth to build around or rather not? (Asking for casual steel path strength level. Not infinite.)

I am still trying to build dante, cause I like the wizard theme, but the book does not seem that great?

[compact cypress]

going to sound stupid asf but what is it that makes chroma bad

my brother lives and breathes this frame and will defend him no matter what and i dont get it

[fossil wing]

Well that was the case until the exalted rework came in and now it's amazing

[fossil wing]

Well his 1, Spectral Scream is basically worthless and his 4, Effigy is just used for Credit farming

So unless you're going Profit Taker you're left with a frame that has only 2 abilities

Granted Vex Armor and Elemental Ward are pretty decent, especially with the new Arcane that makes health tanking an actual option at higher levels

But having 2 abilities that reduces them to a tank+weapons platform works but many other frames just do that job better

Except credit farming he's the king

[woven lynx]

https://overframe.gg/build/705641/ - does this build suit for oraxia?

[compact cypress]

alright tysm

the crit kitty is coming a long

[woven lynx]

?

[fierce lark]

chroma can probably do some funny things with toxin ward + vex armor & felarx

[fierce lark]

wouldn't be as good for oraxia since she can't subsume roar, so it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is on saryn

[tulip spade]

can anyone help me build octavia?

[woven lynx]

I heard a lot that ocucor is very good on oraxia so

Can anyone share a build for this weapon specificaly

https://overframe.gg/build/483134/ocucor/surging-tendrils-ocucor-sentient-surge/ I also found this

[frail belfry]

Hmmm... Feels like I barely do any sort of damage until I get the first kill in where the damage ramps up super high. Also since I'm Wisp I'm using Nourish for viral + I have a Panzer Vulpa for more viral so I just went corrosive on the gun instead.

I could instead replace with serration into Crux but idk if that's even worth the trouble.

[compact cypress]

what level content are you using it on?

im prettys sure the acceltra falls off at higher level stuff

[frail belfry]

Mostly attempting it at Steel Path shenanigans. Can work but I need like the first kill for this to even begin to ramp up.

[compact cypress]

idk if its true but ive seena few people say that galv aptitude doesnt work with aoe

my build does fine for me on sp

[frail belfry]

My other weapon options are Tenet Arca Plasmor and Tenet Glaxion. Potentially Vinquibus if I'm able to get a hold of a potato so I can build it.

[fierce lark]

typically, weapons that have an aoe component, galv aptitude does not apply to the aoe damage

[compact cypress]

was able to take it into eta with a few buffs

[frail belfry]

That much I am aware of. My friend however said that once you're doing high level content, you might as well not consider the AOE and lean in on the direct damage.

[compact cypress]

clearly the approach isnt working well though

[fierce lark]

problem with that theory is, some aoe weapons have most of their damage come from the aoe itself

[frail belfry]

So Galvanized Aptitude is fine. Probably.

Therein lies the problem. Because I lack ANY sort of damage, I'm stuck with shit damage until I get a first blood.

So I'm currently debating to switch to serration into Primary Crux instead.

[fierce lark]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsEoCYhZmmPNgfqQksMnZFSFiTWaXDavulsghO-_QNE/edit?gid=883121879#gid=883121879

[compact cypress]

wouldnt replacing the galv aptitude with base dmg like serration or a faction mod be better?

[frail belfry]

Or keep merciless to get more damage out.

[compact cypress]

is crux good on the acceltra?

[frail belfry]

Yeah I was gonna do that.

[compact cypress]

weakpoints are typically headshots right

[versed harbor]

acceltra :[

[frail belfry]

I needed a different weapon to play with and I can't use Vinquibus yet due to lack of potato to fully build it. Have mercy :(

[abstract bison]

i had an acuity build on the acceltra with aptitude and it worked surprisingly well

make that tiny missile per shot do massive damage on a headshot and you send out lots of them

[frail belfry]

Also yes. Headshots do count as weakpoints I'm pretty sure.

[fierce lark]

taking the acceltra prime from this as an example, galv apt is fully additive with other base damage sources on the direct hit. however, 55% of each shot's overall damage is coming from the explosions themselves, which are not affected in any way by aptitude.

therefore, galvanized aptitude is only 45% as effective on the acceltra as it would be otherwise, assuming your direct shots are landing every time. if not, it's even worse

[frail belfry]

Then I guess Serration is the play here. Do I want to use Primary Crux or is it not necessary?

[abstract bison]

the concept of increased accuracy due to volume of fire

[frail belfry]

I can stick to Primary Merciless?

[vagrant lagoon]

Yo wtf lmao, its ass but imagine the condition overload shenanigans

[atomic wadi]

Any atlas mains have a good build to show

[fierce lark]

against humanoid enemies, yes

against other things, it varies from target to target. the "head" is always the actual head if there is one, typically. but weak points and heads may not line up. moas' heads are still their heads i believe, but their weakpoint is the backpack

[abstract bison]

cavia enemies have weakpoints but are harder to hit and some have none at all

[frail belfry]

Would going Primary Crux be fine? Or just stick to Merciless or even Deadhead?

[fierce lark]

i haven't used the acceltra but i imagine it's not the easiest weapon to headshot with

merciless is probably going to perform better overall

[abstract bison]

oh it's actually easier than you might think

an acuity build on the acceltra surprised me lol

[frail belfry]

My friend mentioned that headshots with the acceltra are easy because the goddamn projectile is a mini cannon ball apparently lmao

[abstract bison]

yeah it works very well lol

[fierce lark]

if it's a fast projectile and you're consistently aiming for heads, crux/deadhead should both work fine

[abstract bison]

some builds are only good on paper but feel like dogshit in practicality

[frail belfry]

I'll probably be safe and use Merciless for now. Potato laptop makes it a struggle to click heads. But I'll try out Crux/Dead eventually if I feel more comfortable. ESPECIALLY since I now have the Vinquibus where headshots matter.

[abstract bison]

you just aim at their general direction and you get headshots with surprisingly less effort

[frail belfry]

Also idk if I'm wasting a slot using Vigilante Fervor but I had nothing else to slap in there so I just use that XD

[abstract bison]

increased accuracy due to volume of fire