builds-discussion

[quiet laurel]

a weapon that requires a mod wont be as popular as smth like furis

[coral crest]

Lavos is constantly in discussion yet he is one of the least played

[quiet laurel]

furis is so popular

just like dual toxocyst

[fierce lark]

mk1 gun, no prime or syndicate variant

you don’t know unless you know

[coral crest]

My bet will be epitaph

It seems almost inevitable in most times I play with others

[granite ginkgo]

when de gonna fix my profile item usage, i dont use khora for a year now

and yet she still my most use warframe

[coral crest]

You used her too much

The balance has been permanently altered until you spend just as much time into something else

[granite ginkgo]

she the only frame i spend on plat, i just deadass giveup do SO

[quiet laurel]

I havent used nezha in like 2 years now and he still my most used frame

[granite ginkgo]

that mean i need to spend use a warframe for at the amount of time i use khora?

[fierce lark]

i think i was lucky enough to find khora in circuit

[coral crest]

Yes, and more

[quiet laurel]

yes, that is what playtime is

[coral crest]

% usage is time total

[granite ginkgo]

damn the only thing i count is killing value

at least change her to prime version

[fierce lark]

id have to check later but i think my most played frame is still base saryn lol

[coral crest]

Primes are separate usage as well

So you'll have to get to work on that too

[fierce lark]

45 eff flowless shieldgate moment

[coral crest]

I think my most used is Lavos still

With Garuda being off by like less than a single %

It's difficult to be mainless

[fierce lark]

it is

archon shards are everywhere and you spend like 200p a week on exilus slots and forma

[granite ginkgo]

with the circuit randomness, never get that chance

[coral crest]

You understand my pain

[fierce lark]

im like that with weapons

[granite ginkgo]

not to mention i relief de remove the rng loadout idea from perita

[fierce lark]

which is extra bad because non adversary guns take 5-6 forma each to finish

jfc

[coral crest]

They should do it again, but extend it to focus schools and amps

https://tenor.com/view/demon-cat-scary-cat-demon-scary-cat-gif-26356229

[fierce lark]

im confident it’d be 547 amp every year

focus id be curious

[coral crest]

I mostly play caster frames so weapons have been a huge pain in the ass

Especially for stuff like bosses

I don't want to use slop

[fierce lark]

if i was an ability enjoyer i wouldn’t have the issue with weapons

equip torid equip laetum equip magistar everything else is MR fodder

but i like using stupid platforms to make every weapon a torid

im talking like ive ever actually used the torid

[coral crest]

My problem is that I need something aesthetically pleasing and functional for the goal

But then what I find aesthetically pleasing turns out to be Onos

And now I am at a loss whether to bite the bullet and invest into it

[fierce lark]

AX52 is my pleasing gun but it has functionality issues

[coral crest]

Or work for something else

[coral crest]

I even had a riven for it before crafting

[fierce lark]

i keep hearing its good

and it’s an incarnon soooooo how bad can it be

[coral crest]

You see, my problem is needing a non slop weapon for bosses

The incarnon form of it sounds like a damage attenuation victim

[fierce lark]

idk what slop is meant to mean in this context

[coral crest]

Beam charge and a single damage instance

[fierce lark]

wasn’t attenuation just removed/nerfed for almost everything in the game?

[coral crest]

Nerfed, but I still can't being anything to a reasonable level

[coral crest]

Not meta

[fierce lark]

too many things are good tbh, hard to pinpoint a meta

[coral crest]

More of a matter of

Every single time I'm asking around

[fierce lark]

outside of the usual torid dtox magistar

[coral crest]

This is me with Laetum

[fierce lark]

sir that’s a shotgun

[coral crest]

I mean that everyone just keeps saying "use laetum"

Regardless of what I say, what I specify or what I might need in a completely unrelated discussion

[rocky aurora]

Easy af gun to use early sp and it slaps with minimal build

Thats probably why

[fierce lark]

i feel like if i say “use nukor/cycron/epitaph/ocucor/furis/torxica” it’ll come off the same way

[coral crest]

It's not laetum, you aren't invading my conversations in different servers just to say I should use laetum instead of whatever I'm asking about even if laetum isn't related to the discussion

[fierce lark]

so many things skirt the top end

i will say, the torx really feels like a primary in the secondary slot

[rocky aurora]

I'll dm you in 5 hours to tell you about the laetum

[coral crest]

I'm going to cry

[fierce lark]

the soma if it didn’t suck

[zealous rapids]

I really like cestra

because of the stats it shows

[fierce lark]

the dera vandal is supposedly pretty good and a weapon I never hear about

[coral crest]

I need someone to gift me Mesa deluxe so I would be able to use Torxica

[fierce lark]

lmao

[zealous rapids]

I didn't like dera, maybe I didn't mod it good enough, but I couldn't make it work in eda

[fierce lark]

play torx electric with the heat dmg tauron relic

and nourish

you can get corro viral mag rad elec heat IPS

[coral crest]

You know what, i will invest in Onos

I will roll the riven

And if it won't work, I will die

[fierce lark]

wait you can’t get corro elec lmao

[zealous rapids]

pretty fun secondary, but I don't like incarnon form, it feels like it does no damage

[fierce lark]

play saryn then you can

[coral crest]

It has some weird technicalities you need to know

Like how the charge is almost always an automatic headshot

[zealous rapids]

ruvox are fun on the other hand

[fervent zealot]

Am I being dumb in thinking that I should js give uriel all red shards to only increase damage because I don’t see a need for anything else since he is pure Nuke

[coral crest]

You need duration and cast speed

Because the nuke deals more dmg the longer it stays

[zealous rapids]

yeah, duration is good

[fervent zealot]

Okay TY

[coral crest]

And casting speed at least of 2 shards

So you could actually spam stuff for the nuke

[fervent zealot]

Could I get away with just upping the duration with mods only or nah would shards work better

[coral crest]

I haven't really built Uriel

Can't speak for intricacies

[fervent zealot]

Honestly recommend he’s so fun

I’ve been an ash main since I first started but uriel acc makes the game EZ

[coral crest]

But I'd probably personally supplement his shards for casting speed and hp to energy conversion to drop equilibrium

Since he's turning enemies into orb pinatas regularly

[fervent zealot]

Alr I’ll keep this in consideration TY

[coral crest]

Oh yeah

That one I'm also working towards

The way status vulnerability works on it sounds cursed

[zealous rapids]

fist weapons have many lifting combos, and then there is arcane afflictions

[coral crest]

Afflictions with Ruvox impale, hm

[zealous rapids]

gas electricity afflictions has some nasty damage scaling on procs

because gas always retain 10 strongest procs, and afflictions damage depend on existing status procs

[brittle iron]

what should i build for aside from crits on the vadarya

[weary elbow]

how should I build the Laetrum if I don't have the 5th incarnon form yet? (the non crit one). I just unlocked his incarnon form

[vocal vector]

whats built on a general use grimoire usually, status or crit?

[zealous rapids]

fire rate, then prob crit

or just fire rate and raw damage

[remote forge]

So can i ask of wot do you think of this build of wisp dread and Despair and guandao with some mod but i dont have ideas

[granite ginkgo]

build around crit, equip crit mods

then u can adjust to hybrid build

[weary elbow]

crit multishot?

[granite ginkgo]

cc cd galvanize crit and ms yes

[fierce lark]

build it the same way you'd build any other gun

damage ms cc cd viral heat flex spot

alternatively if you have it run enervate instead of cc mod and run lethal torrent in that spot

[timid dust]

Is there any way I can increase fire rate on the regulators?

[fierce lark]

nothing that's worth slotting, no

also how are you proccing avenger?

[zealous rapids]

you can try companion with fire rate bond mod

idk if it affect regulators, but it should

[timid dust]

proccing?

[zealous rapids]

activating it

you just take damage tho, not really difficult

[proud anchor]

You have to take health damage for it to work

[timid dust]

It doesnt say health damaged?

[frosty fjord]

avenger is just any damage taken

[timid dust]

Like on other acranes

[proud anchor]

Oh my bad, thought it was an on health damage arcane

[zealous rapids]

Aside from damage to shields and health, this Arcane can be triggered by the following instances of damage:
Damage to player Overguard.
Self-damage from Combat Discipline.
Damage while the player is invulnerable, such as Absorb.

[timid dust]

so avenger does work when shield-damaged right?

[zealous rapids]

yes

[rough grail]

which one should i go for ironically i build magnetic and corossive on my boar

[timid dust]

Also, how exactly does this work? Does it cap at 75% and keep it like that until you die/revive? Or until the mission ends?

[zealous rapids]

both don't have negative to boost stats, so idk, both looks ok

[quiet laurel]

resets when you self revive, stays until end of the mission

[timid dust]

so its good for like longer runs right?

[quiet laurel]

its pretty fast to max out so even for normal missions

wouldnt recommend for things like capture tho of course

[timid dust]

and if i throw 5 of those on mesa, it will be 5 x 75%?

[quiet laurel]

yes

[timid dust]

bet, thank you

[timid dust]

what about this one though?

[zealous rapids]

tried this?

[fierce lark]

it used to be health damage

but regardless, it's hard to take damage if you kill everything on your screen, which is precisely what mesa does

and it's only 21% chance on instance of damage taken

if you have to stop killing things to take damage to proc avenger, it's pretty trash

that's why the arcane is only ever run with combat discipline

[shrewd glen]

is this an optimal build for my excalibur's exalted blade mods?

[gaunt sapphire]

anyone have any good grimoire builds?

[carmine dew]

is this chatgpt....

but no you dont want viral heat on exalted blade

healing return wtf

[shrewd glen]

what would you recommend in exchange for those mods?

[zealous rapids]

electricity for influense, maybe with gas, but just electricity works

[gaunt sapphire]

electric influence or magnetic works decent with excal

[zealous rapids]

for heavy spam I use toxin

[gaunt sapphire]

ive lwk been loving gas element

cuz it counts as melee damage for the vinquibus passive

[shrewd glen]

so High Voltage?

[carmine dew]

yeah

or the other one, they're both fine

[shrewd glen]

and what would i replace healing return with

[zealous rapids]

melee elementalist for example

[olive birch]

hii, I was wondering if someone could help me out with my gyre build. I am planning to use tenent glaxion with her. I have toxin

[shrewd glen]

alright

[zealous rapids]

toxin (or glaxion) don't matter much with gyre, what matter is how often your weapon crit to trigger discharge

btw, new arcane has some fun interaction with full viral glaxion

[olive birch]

thanks for your help! I am in the process of formaing my gyre for a build but everyone seem to use different builds

[deep grotto]

I wouldn’t recommend going off an AI overview

[shrewd glen]

this is the build my veteran friend is using on their exalted blade

[zealous rapids]

afaik most people use cathode current with run-and-gun build

[shrewd glen]

i know, that's why i went to the discord to ask if it was optimal

[zealous rapids]

this is what I use for heavy spam (+ corrosive from archon continuity)

[versed birch]

Healing return is smart. Another option would be using Arcane Circumvent and rolling through Eximi for the defense.

[shrewd glen]

Thanks for the tip

[versed birch]

I main Umbra and can post my build later

[shrewd glen]

dm me your build when you're ready

[versed birch]

Can I ask why you went away from the umbra mods?

[shrewd glen]

wdym?

[versed birch]

Default polarity on exalted is two umbras correct?

[zealous rapids]

I honestly don't want to re-forma them

so I went with heavy spam build

I get just a bit above 100% crit for duplicate

[versed birch]

Makes sense, I like your spam build

[quiet laurel]

if you wanna be efficient just go CRAB SWEAT

and survive via shield gate and 1 invuln

[fierce lark]

i thought it was COW BARF

is that for rifles

[mighty flare]

this a general gyre setup, you'd subsume over her 2 for like roar/nourish/etc
the open slots are really up to you on how you want to survive
gyre can comfortably drop a flow mod for a shard because she doesn't need to cast often

[quiet laurel]

(C)ondition Overload
(R)ange
(A)ttack Speed
(B)lood Rush
Galvanized (S)teel
(W)eeping Wounds
(E)lectric
(A)nti Faction/Flex
(T)ennokai

[shrewd glen]

i sent you a dm btw

[brittle sleet]

COWBARF was the old melee setup before Tennokai and Influence, short for Condition Overload, Organ Shatter, Weeping Wounds, Blood Rush, (Attack Speed), (Range), (Faction)

Usually done with two Fs so the last one would be a filler slot

[brittle iron]

how do i build atlas

i think i have an idea but thats it

[severe hound]

Can anyone drop an ability focused nokko build?

[zealous rapids]

I build max range with blood altar

[brittle iron]

his 1 doesnt have enough range

[zealous rapids]

hit a few mil with x12, and in 14m aoe

in sp survival you can make a sandbag with altar and punch it

I didn't try if life well work for that too

[brittle iron]

why is there archon stretch

theres no electricity damage

[zealous rapids]

it works from companion abilities like diriga

I also have influense fists config too

lower damage but bigger aoe

[viscid bane]

Do I just build Melee Influence on Valk Talons?

[zealous rapids]

anything works on them imo

[brittle iron]

i feel too stupid to understand this

[zealous rapids]

fun thing, path of statues can petrify some mobs that resist normal petrify

for example techrot babau

[brittle iron]

i just wanna punch stuff

[zealous rapids]

you make a sandbag to punch with blood altar, just need to aim a bit up to punch it, punches do damage in 14m aoe with huge damage number

[gaunt sapphire]

do i get both sevagoth augments

i heard someone say theyre both pretty good

[zealous rapids]

tbh, it works great even without altar, you can put kullervo ability for teleporting to go around short range on atlas fists

[zealous rapids]

if you want a proper nuke build, they are must

dark propogation and shadow haze

[brittle iron]

i dont have kullervo helminthed

or kullervo at all

[zealous rapids]

the thing is, blood altar is semi-teleport too

[brittle iron]

i dont have blood altar either

[violet silo]

you should get him

worth it

[brittle iron]

im waiting for his prime

[zealous rapids]

I don't know any good movement abilities, it still good if you just bullet jump and hit fist ability while in air too

[gaunt sapphire]

if you dont plan on getting his augment, id recommend getting the base just so that you can feed to helminth

[zealous rapids]

you're invulnerable while doing fist thing

[gaunt sapphire]

cuz wrathful advance works on other frames good

[brittle iron]

im just gonna play baruuk instead

[violet silo]

turns every melee in the game into a steel path viable murder weapon

[gaunt sapphire]

i thought baruuk was a complicated frame

[zealous rapids]

also, if you don't like path of statues, you can check rumbler augment from nightwave shop (or from conclave)

ore gaze is fun too for "faming"

[brittle iron]

you just disarm and punch people

[zealous rapids]

with rumbler augment you turn your fists into a projectile

[supple ibex]

Which is better for my dread incarnon build?

[zealous rapids]

this feels like the best companion stat stick riven

[brittle iron]

im gonna use this valk build

[zealous rapids]

idk how much impact there will be from negative slash, since dread is mostly slash weapon iirc

[brittle iron]

oh right

i forgot claws

[zealous rapids]

I use 3-umbra on valk, but galv mods on claws

[brittle iron]

i physically cannot afford to max out another galvanized mod

[zealous rapids]

the main reason for this, is de being de

I made another valkyr prime hoping to have 2 separate claw configs, how big was my surprise when i found that foundry didn't make claws for 2nd valkyr and she had to borrow them from the 1st one

[fringe skiff]

hello i don t get why i get blast here and not viral ?

[zealous rapids]

elemental mods combine in order of mod slots, from left to right row by row

[digital oxide]

amp meta still 147 or did this change

[zealous rapids]

I use 547, 147 works too, especially with new mods

[fringe skiff]

but (i used deepseek to explain) it says that my valence bonus is toxin so it should 1rst mix with cold to create viral and then leave heat on it s own

[pseudo tartan]

yo whats a good nova prime build

[digital oxide]

I don't remember the numbers for some of the names but my usual one is Klamora Certus Pencha

which I think is crap?

[zealous rapids]

valence bonus is like a toxin mod in the imaginary 3rd row, so it will combine last

[fringe skiff]

ah sadge

[zealous rapids]

you have to put another toxin mod to change the order

[vocal vector]

whats built on a general use grimoire usually, status or crit?

[zealous rapids]

imo, fire rate and raw damage

[digital oxide]

well there's your problem. AI.

[fringe skiff]

yup but helps a lot xcept when it thinks it s right xd

[digital oxide]

You know what helps more

the lump of calcium and fat between your ears

[zealous rapids]

if you want viral heat, you better change bonus to heat and use 60/60 mods for viral

actually with that much status chance you can just go full viral and put new arcane delibisomething

[quiet laurel]

AI is insanely bad at explaining warfarme things

cause its wrong most of the time

[digital oxide]

*everything

[quiet laurel]

nah thats a lie, it gets some things right of course

but its very inconsistent

it pulls info from what people say and many people spread misinfo for warframe

so the answers are all just a hit or miss

[oblique ridge]

what buttons do i build saryn around if im building an abiltyframe

1 and 4?

[quiet laurel]

saryn isnt really an ability frame

or rather kill via ability damage which I assume is what you mean

[fierce lark]

saryn doesn't have the functionality to nuke, all of her "ability damage" is condensed into spores that ramp very slowly

best you can hope for is being a very high range panzer

oh but with strip

[sharp cloak]

Any tips? Also what's the deal with deimos boss and having very wonky hit box

[mighty flare]

yeah, you'd want to aim for cantic/raplak with phahd and certus
cantic is much more forgiving so its generally preferred over raplak

[ornate echo]

alright guys, is this riven any good?

[iron ruin]

Is there a way to make akarius headshots easier to get? Even with scourge throw its a toss up on if it hits their head.

[fathom sky]

No. The basic idea of "is a Riven good" is:

1. Does it have a crippling negative? (No but not having any negative also sucks)
2. Are the stats better than a mod you'd slot in anyway (also no because it's not beating out Vital Sense or Critical Delay with those CC and CD stats)

[ornate echo]

damn!

i thought it was good, too

ill reroll for smth else

what would be better for nataruk?

[fierce lark]

you want a non-harmful negative, and then some + combination of damage, crit chance, crit damage, fire rate, multishot, toxin

ideally 3 stats

i would probably keep the roll you have in the meantime and slot it over what would normally be the bane slot (if you're using longbow sharpshot) or the serration slot (if you're using deadhead)

[ornate echo]

appreciate it!

[rocky aurora]

Saryn is mostly used as a weapon platform. Augment mod for her 1, high ability strength and duration for her 1, 3, and Roar on her 4. The typical saryn weapon platform build

So technically using abilities, but instead everything is used to buff your weapons with abilities to kill enemies

[novel bear]

You can build a caster instead based around spores, but they’re finicky and annoying to upkeep

[vital saddle]

is this a good 0 forma build for my Valkyr Prime?

1 tauforged crimson for ability strength
3 tauforged Azure all health
1 Tauforged Violet for the melee critical damage

[fierce lark]

what does rage even do

[frosty fjord]

probably realistically wouldn’t need vitality or the health shards because of the healing on hysteria and the death prevention from the passive, AND energy nexus will be useless while you’re using the claws

[frigid kite]

nikana prime build? pls

[frosty fjord]

convert % of dmg on health to energy

i’d get something like equilibrium in there instead of energy nexus at least

this is what i’ve been using, is 1 forma and think i just got this build from somewhere if i had to be honest. arcanes r5 battery and avenger, shards don’t think i even put any or don’t remember what they were if I did

[random prawn]

Kuva Nukor build okay?

[rocky aurora]

Seems ok

[full girder]

I’m loving this ash build from this Warframe YouTuber named kyaii

[frozen bloom]

what are the go to mods for any primary

[spring estuary]

Whats the best build for the Vinquibus melee?

[tawny panther]

should i keep one or reroll ?

i have 38k kuva left

[lyric bluff]

Does temple's 2 affect eidolons?

[frank matrix]

how is my mesa build so far, how can i improve it

[smoky turret]

anyone have a gyre prime build? not looking for a weapon platform build.

[deep grotto]

Base damage, crit and status

[somber sable]

which weapon should i build next i have the incarnon thingy

[deep grotto]

i mean the Burston's already pretty goated

[trail hamlet]

Hi new to talking here not sure which one to get

[somber sable]

burston it is lol

[eternal sparrow]

question has anyone checked if Koumeis decrees work with arcane Expertise?

[maiden oracle]

I'd take right

[trail hamlet]

Just wasnt sure which one too pick cause I think the raw damage is good lol

[dapper tree]

U guys got any kullervo builds

[twin osprey]

https://overframe.gg/build/944374/nyx-prime/nyx/ do we fw it

[dapper tree]

with sevagoth, should you subusme roar over his shadow or gloom?

[granite ginkgo]

shadow, but u still need to build shadow claw for revive

[jagged mauve]

heloo is it considered as Damage reduction? if not then does it work with arcane persistence?

[deep grotto]

I feel like it’s DR in a technical way

Rather than taking flat out reduced damage
That damage still exists, just that your Shadows take it for you

[jagged mauve]

oh ic, would be cool if it wasnt "damage reduction", the shadows would also get the 500dmg/s cap

[deep grotto]

You could always test it yourself too

[jagged mauve]

got a forma problem but I will try

[deep grotto]

I would but i neither have nekros or am online

[old marsh]

With 7 active u get 42% dmg redirection. Don’t use persistence with him.

[jagged mauve]

its pretty hard to tell through my test

hm ig the build never changed then

[old marsh]

Nekros’s build could use an update on his 1

[indigo hemlock]

How much would something like this be worth

[old marsh]

Keep it. Not worth much

[indigo hemlock]

Oh

[old marsh]

It’s a secondary and u can get almost double of the crit dmg from another mod

[jagged mauve]

I only just noticed the kirito profile pic lol had the same one a decade ago

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[old marsh]

I have this. Replaces my hornet strike with some extra MS
If u can get 2 positives and 1 negative then those numbers will be higher for u to consider slotting in

[indigo hemlock]

Alright ill keep rerolling for it

[granite ginkgo]

wasnt tenet detron already have alt rapid fire?

right it was the tenet version only

[old marsh]

Don’t put too much Kuva. Stop at 40 rolls. Not worth going further

[velvet pulsar]

Is rain of arrows hitscan or projectile?

[ruby lantern]

Syam is better as heavy spam or 12x tennokai? I like agile and moving alot play-styles and am playing kullervo

[fair umbra]

Is punch through a dead stat on torid rivens?

[mighty flare]

heavy spam for the wave

[ruby lantern]

Okie ty. What arcane should i use. I wanna try smth other than influenver

[lethal aurora]

Best build i did

[mighty flare]

melee vortex + gas is an option

[ruby lantern]

Yipee imma try cuz influence is op but boring

[lethal aurora]

Tbh i only see melee influence good with Excalibur and gyre and kullervo

[mighty flare]

do you know what that build looks like?

[ruby lantern]

Not at all lol i was gonna gamble

[lethal aurora]

Melee influence require electric only

Anything else won’t make the arcane do shi

[ruby lantern]

I jst know melee vortex liked dual ichor and high follow through weapons

Syam does have 100% follow through thoo

[ruby lantern]

Ye but influence getting boring for me slowly

[lethal aurora]

That your choice

I enjoy it to much with Excalibur

[mighty flare]

wait wrong one

[ruby lantern]

Okie

[mighty flare]

this one, if you dont like banes then use heat 6060 or amalgam organ shatter
this build assumes ur running arcane fury to drop killing blow

[ruby lantern]

Ye i am running fury

On kullervo so windup is fast

[ruby lantern]

Yeah i dont like bane mods. Will use heat

Is the stance imp?

[mighty flare]

no

[ruby lantern]

Okie tyy

Just need a maxed melee vortex. Will jst but one

[rose cradle]

My build is pretty outdated, I'll have to use this

[maiden oracle]

Weapon platform Gauss?

[gaunt gust]

secondary irradiate on ocucor, ass or gas?

[lethal aurora]

Enjoy

[ruby lantern]

Guys what is reave+kullervo and why do ppl like it. What inertaction do these both have

[lethal aurora]

Not sure haven’t tried reave with kullervo

[mighty flare]

collective curse

[velvet pulsar]

% damage nuke

Although it was more famous before armor nerf

Now just simple collective curse can nuke

[frank matrix]

is my fulmin prime good enough for the entirity of steel path? Want last mod should i add and is there any mods i should change?

[storm grotto]

this is said to basically amke u immortal but it feels really inconsistent in practice sometime not enough health orbs drop and then u cant stack health conversion so u die

also has a flaw where if u kill stuff too fast then it jsut doenst work cuz no enemies for viral quills

any tips to actually make it work

[velvet pulsar]

Coda Hirudo

[velvet pulsar]

Or nikana zaw with amalgam daikyu mod

Or furis with augment

[vocal vector]

Zarr, penta, bramma or the new scaldra gas thingy, which one is the best for general use?

[storm grotto]

is the syam a nikana

[mighty flare]

yes, slot stormbringer in the empty slot then switch places with malignant force to make viral electric

[vagrant lagoon]

About to unlock SP, how do i know im dealing ENOUGH damage to survive SP?

im doing around 137-200k with nataruk

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[ruby lantern]

Guys due to diriga being a close range primer my syam’s heavy attacks dont as hard from long range. What to do?

[mighty flare]

use a hound

[vocal vector]

is this worth using with the zarrs low disposition?

[old marsh]

I mean. It’s better than Serration so yeah

[vocal vector]

uhh isnt the disposition only applied in the modding screen?

[old marsh]

Oh yeah. Kuva Zarr and Zarr. Almost forgot

[old marsh]

Switch weapon to Kuva Zarr so u can see the correct stats

[vocal vector]

uhh how?

u can just switch in the riven preview screen?

[hollow mantle]

[stray mural]

So, been an on and off player for a while, came back got Uriel and the new weapon and have been grinding. Finally got a primary arcane and installed it, and it is telling me my damage is INF

i understand it isn't instantly, but can someone explain why

[hollow mantle]

Throw this guy at Wally

Wish I could use the Vinquibus

Sucks that it has a Melee form

[stray mural]

It's melee slam attack is a massive AOE and slaps.

heavy attack*

[hollow mantle]

Yeah but I can't use my Ceramic dagger w/ it

[stray mural]

when you forma, it formas both sides, it's worth it

[hollow mantle]

It's a great weapon

[gaunt jewel]

not TECHNICALLY a build but I wanna showcase a funny gauss thing I did, but I will somewhat discuss how the build works(can't show the full build as it's.. 7 different people contributing)

But basically it's a nokko nidus wisp rhino nova volt and jade. All to full max volt and wisp speed boosts. All but 2 having sprint boost. The others having power dono.

[hollow mantle]

Oh my god I'm so old.

Welcome back Zanagoth

https://youtu.be/RD4QjsgH1O4

This was the fastest possible Gauss at the time, I believe

[gaunt jewel]

Not anymore

mind you we did this, without me having a base max speed gauss

I only had 2.1 sprint

[hollow mantle]

If you can make your screen flip I applaud you

[gaunt jewel]

They sadly patched it

[hollow mantle]

Rip

[gaunt jewel]

That's around 250m/s

[hollow mantle]

Then nice job

[gaunt jewel]

I far surpassed that

[gaunt jewel]

Fun fact

Going based off the video, I'm faster

the plains is about 2350 meters

It took zanagoth around 7~ seconds. Which is about 330.

[gaunt jewel]

And 7 seconds is being generous

so, if the wiki isn't lying about the size

I'm almost 100m/s faster

[ruby lantern]

Any tips to global /long range prime. My go to was diriga but he cant helo my syam waves

[hard dove]

panzer

[ruby lantern]

Prefer robotic types cuz synth deconstruct

[mighty flare]

hounds

[chrome badge]

hounds nuke things too easily tho

[mighty flare]

?

[chrome badge]

yeah im unsure how to make my hound prime because it just kills everything instead

[mighty flare]

take off contagious and dont use summoners

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

[vagrant lagoon]

Trash or no Trash

[pure reef]

peculiar question for the real freaks. is there a melee weapon that isnt capable of slamming? like if you're aimgliding and look down and melee you'll just attack instead of hitting the ground ?

[proud spruce]

Can Protea's Shield Satellites double your shield gate duration over the 2.5s normal limit? I'm wondering if increasing ur shields on her to get the 2.5s shield gate (via Arcane Expertise) would get me a 5s shield gate when using her 1 or is it hard capped at 2.5? Can't find anything about it on wiki

[fierce lark]

no trash, base damage is multiplicative with galv shot so this can take the base dmg slot, bigger number than cannonade and +toxin is free damage since toxin is innate

[old marsh]

Not trash. Zymos is ok-ish with this riven.

[pure reef]

ok innodem kinda

[fierce lark]

just don't aim and you still slam

[velvet pulsar]

Exodia Contagion zaws?

[velvet pulsar]

Trash

[velvet pulsar]

Trash

Spores don't benefit damage modding

So the only advantage u got is toxin

Definitely reroll for crit stats

(zymos is great weapon so don't sell this riven)

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

Plz don’t say that. I like using it

It hurts my feelings

[velvet pulsar]

I use Zymos too

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[velvet pulsar]

This is suboptimal zymos riven I have because damage doesn't affect spores

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[exotic plover]

Hello, kinda new to wf, is my build good for Dante or it can be pushed more?
I wanna use it most of the time(general use), and try out SP for first time.
I'm using torid incarnon and nami solo incarnon, w/o second weap, playing mostly solo or duo with my friend.

[old marsh]

U wanna try to get corrupted mods from Deimos vaults

[exotic plover]

Can u link from wiki?

[old marsh]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Corrupted_Mods

[velvet pulsar]

I use my zymos with limbo, xaku, and anyone with Well of Life subsume

[exotic plover]

I have it, a lot of them.
Which mods i should switch?

[old marsh]

Blind rage, trans fort for STR mods

[exotic plover]

Which mod i need to remove?
Energy?

[hollow mantle]

You can always slide in midair.

You also used to be able to slide heavy attack in mid-air and throw a massively buffed Exodia Contagion zaw... but DE didn't like that...

[old marsh]

Replace it with your STR mods. And nexus too coz there r other & better ways for u regen energy.

[exotic plover]

Okay, ty, i'll try it.

[old marsh]

Once u get into SP u will find the use of those corrupted mods in almost all builds. Can’t recall a single build that doesn’t use one.

[exotic plover]

What about book?

[old marsh]

Tome mods for utility. Galvanized, corrupted & 60/60 mods for priming/dps

[fierce lark]

i was gonna say koumei

cause she rly doesn't care about stats

but she can still use cata shield lmao

[half hound]

Anyone got a valkyr build I can take to level cap? I do have wrathful advance if its required

[viscid bane]

Any of thse important to unlock or nah?

[frosty fjord]

i’d get them all just to get the MR exp from the base frames and just toss em to helminth after, most of them have a prime anyways if you feel like using them long term

[viscid bane]

I already have them and I am MR30. Just too lazy to farm the copy

Plus kinda short on slots

[velvet pulsar]

I forgot to subsume base frost and sold him

Besides, Lavos subsume is similar to frost but better.

[viscid bane]

I fully ranked most non primes before subsumes were a thing

[mighty flare]

notable subsumes from that list are brightbonnet, xatas whispers, evade, decoy, omamori, etc
you can disregard most like coil horizon

[velvet pulsar]

(coil horizon augment flashbacks)

[viscid bane]

Decoy? Why?

[velvet pulsar]

Damage Decoy augment

Also saviour decoy but ehhh

[fierce lark]

what about pull

is airburst just better

[old marsh]

u can go modless with her like Octavia

[mighty flare]

some events like plague star from a while ago had used decoy to speed up missions
im not sure why i mentioned it now, not very important

[velvet pulsar]

Greedy Pull is nice

[fierce lark]

lazy gaters winning

[velvet pulsar]

Put wall latch mods on her dude

[vagrant lagoon]

For nataruk, should i go for deadhead or longbow sharpshot?

or merciless even

[mighty flare]

sharpshot, if not, then deadhead

[fierce lark]

caliban's summons don't care about your weapon damage/mods right? im curious why nourish subsume is recommended

(roar is additive with summoner's wrath but still)

[coral crest]

Because people are running nourish slop

His summons proc viral with nourish

But roar is better for damage anyways

[fierce lark]

oh do they?

[coral crest]

Yeah

[wind cosmos]

are teammates affected by the nourish explosion or is that just the user

[mighty flare]

you run nourish + summoners wrath to get both roar & nourish

[coral crest]

With how much razor mortar is taking from str you don't even need roar to do enough dmg for something like cap

[fierce lark]

yeah i read that roar was additive with wrath but didn't realize his summons took buffs

[coral crest]

Nourish is a wide range buff, people tend to forget

So his summons benefit

[mighty flare]

yeah, which makes running roar with summoners pretty bad
viral + energy from nourish + summoners is much better setup

[coral crest]

Energy from nourish? Are we subsuming 1?

[fierce lark]

more energy for duplex shades

subsuming 4

[mighty flare]

?

[coral crest]

I mean that his 1 is almost always a full energy restore

If you have good range

And you'll be spamming it anyway due to razor mortar

[fierce lark]

more energy is more energy, in low density you can still spam it/use it for mobility

[coral crest]

I guess

[mighty flare]

yeah

[fierce lark]

more energy means more spins for more duplex for more shades

[mighty flare]

im not sure why you're so against nourish

[fierce lark]

[coral crest]

Because it's a stupid evil ass ability that drains everyone's will to live and experiment

[fierce lark]

i like nourish being a subsume

stops everyone being absolutely forced to run viral everywhere

[coral crest]

But oh well can't deny it's good

Can never deny that

[mighty flare]

but roar is oh so different

[coral crest]

I haven't said anything about roar

I have a similar opinion on roar

But at least it's not recastable without an augment

And doesn't give you orb efficiency

[mighty flare]

anyway...yeah run nourish instead of roar when you have summoners wrath

[coral crest]

Pretty much

[fierce lark]

weird question

does summoner's wrath work on xaku's turrets

[coral crest]

No

[fierce lark]

lmao ok

[coral crest]

It's not very consistent

Some things that are meant to be "summons" aren't affected by it

But also your pets are

Oh well

Still a faction mod for your Diriga/Hound/Whatever else

[fierce lark]

caliban is making me dizzy

[old marsh]

play Trinity or Rebb shoots u

[coral crest]

Trinity deluxe

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-trinity-dance-moves-shaking-gif-17556228

[fierce lark]

reb protoframe whem

camisado doesn't seem that good, no time to stack between the wheel spam

[hard dove]

Why her leg skinny

She think she's in hollow knight

[coral crest]

Yes, look at her

Red dress, black body, white helmet, stick legs

It was all an elaborate plan

[pure reef]

i cannot make up my mind if projectile speed is actually bad on grimoire

[fierce lark]

uhhh do caliban summons get buffed by crepuscular?

[trail swan]

i would say otherwise shes lacing around

[ruby lantern]

best arcane for hate incarnon? i wanna use it kullervo

[fierce lark]

afflictions

[coral crest]

You have convinced me

[coral crest]

They can't crit, but will benefit from str

[olive shadow]

hi, i need thoughts on my build for mesa prime
i have no idea how to build her and im a bit lost rn, mostly looked at overframe builds and some youtube videos
its still incomplete, but these are the mods i plan to use
havent unlocked secondary arcane adapter yet andn no archon shards placed yet

[ruby lantern]

might need to spec into a bit more range then. for collective curse to nuke rooms

[fierce lark]

kullervo likes a lot of range anyway, both for that and long distance dashes and reconpense reach

hate incarnon flings fireballs on light attack anyway so it has its own little mini-influence built in

granted they don't have the most impressive range ever

[ruby lantern]

i use a negatve range build cuz i want more strength and duration, i like running roar and WA for big damage. will make a 2nd higher range build for weapons who dont have good cc on theri own

[fierce lark]

i dont have insane range but enough to where WA can reach any target and i wont randomly fall over from recompense daggers not reaching something

[ruby lantern]

nice nice, i got like 300+ strength with molt augmented. ig i could afford losing some for range lol

[dusty summit]

My persistence/grace oberon build

[viscid bane]

Is this good?

[fervent rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-why-are-you-white-amanda-seyfried-gif-3551925

[viscid bane]

It fits my main color scheme

[sharp cloak]

^

Any pointers would be appreciated

[spiral chasm]

It looks good

Doesnt deal dmg on smth?

[frail aspen]

Hello guys

I need cunning drift is ez to get?

[hollow ruin]

Is it even worth building any other weapons other than her ult on Mesa?

[sharp cloak]

Trying it on deimos boss and seems to be doing the job but dunno if it's doing it well enough

[sharp cloak]

Sometimes you won't be able to use her abilities so yea

[shrewd glen]

anyone know any good survivability mod builds for Excalibur? or like a good balance between offense and defense?

[spiral chasm]

Lephantis?

[sharp cloak]

Depends, what you want to fight

[sharp cloak]

That's the one yea

[shrewd glen]

anything in general

[spiral chasm]

Yeah hes special. He has a dmg cap per second. So bullet hoses do less dmg overall

[fierce lark]

"greatest defense is offense" is all you really have with excal, but if you want you can run catashield+augur mod and press a button to shield gate whenever you lose shields

lephentis' attenuation was nerfed

[sharp cloak]

But basically healing return and berserker fury on his exalted blade, chromatic blade augment if you want, I can check up the build I have, not very good but I use to run most things when I play em (it's not min/max, just what I use and so far it works for me with his exalted blade)

[fierce lark]

i dont know how much, but i do know i can 1 cycle his heads in sortie level with burston now

[spiral chasm]

Bullet hoses still struggle slightly no?

[fierce lark]

haven't done steel path lephantis yet but

[spiral chasm]

Cuz my dt took a while to kill him

[fierce lark]

they're definitely better than they were before

[shrewd glen]

someone here said healing return was trash yesterday, another said it could be useful so idk

[sharp cloak]

1 of his heads (the one that opens side ways) survives a cycle so far, but not when we're in the actual arena

[spiral chasm]

Had better success with angstrum

[sharp cloak]

Why is it trash ? Did they mention?

[fierce lark]

isn't the angstrum basically a machine pistol or am i thinking of something else

[shrewd glen]

no they didn't say why

[spiral chasm]

Its a projectile and not hit scan

[hard dove]

angstrum is the rocket pistol
at least incarnoff

[spiral chasm]

But it does shoot fast. Ig like the laetum

[fierce lark]

oh lol

[hard dove]

youre probably thinking about cestra another corpus weapon that is a machine pistol

[spiral chasm]

Incarnoff is a rocket pistol yeah

[fierce lark]

i was thinking of the cestra but i remembered the angstrum being similar

it kinda is, just shoots rockets instead of bullets lol

[sharp cloak]

Personal preference then:

But here's what I use, give it a go, only use exalted ofc

[fierce lark]

here's a build from probably the only person quirky enough to take umbra into cap willingly

[sharp cloak]

Only his 4 and 2, 4 normally and 2 for general blind/easy takedowns

[hard dove]

subsume 3 over 2?

why

[sharp cloak]

Why would you ever use 3 normally?

[subtle fulcrum]

augment

[hard dove]

furious javelin

[sharp cloak]

I know some builds has it but it feels wonky without augment

[shrewd glen]

thank you, someone said they were gonna show me a reference of what they use yesterday and they never did

[hard dove]

you have a blind already doing a slide attack

or howl in this case

[sharp cloak]

But howl feels better

[fierce lark]

idk maybe radial blind is kept for cc

[sharp cloak]

Just thematic, like I said not min maxing/optimized build

[subtle fulcrum]

I use this for lvl cap, shield gate required unless arcane persistence

[hard dove]

actuallly i subsumed 2 in all my umbral build does it have different animation over regular blind?

[sharp cloak]

The wrong polarity hurts but I get it

[sharp cloak]

He howls instead of rising the sword, the slide radial remains the same between normal and umbral

[subtle fulcrum]

good polarities for persistence (using a nikana zaw for lifesteal)

[shrewd glen]

how long does the shield gate usually last? is this an optimal defense?

[sharp cloak]

And how does persistence work with em

And does arcane nullfier nullfies the magnetic nerf on em?

[hard dove]

1.3 sec consistently if using cata shield @shrewd glen

[shrewd glen]

someone said arcane circumvent is also good if you want to steal defenses

[fierce lark]

it's the best form of survivability that is universally accessible

[subtle fulcrum]

nikanas benefit lifesteal from amalgam daikyu

[coral crest]

1.33s on Catalyzing shields, 1.5-2.5s or so with frames that have excess energy

[fierce lark]

1.33

[coral crest]

Thank you

[fierce lark]

repeating, of course

[shrewd glen]

that seems short

[coral crest]

You are constantly using abilities so

It's not that bad

[hard dove]

long enoigh to cast an ability

[shrewd glen]

i only ever use exalted blade

[hard dove]

plus your probably spamming slash dash every 5 sec anyway and slash dash gives invul

just press 1 when shield break

[coral crest]

And it has a status cleanse augment, right?

[quiet laurel]

whenever you hear the shield breaking sound you press an abiltity to shield gate, becomes muscle memory at some point if you shield gate long enough

[hard dove]

only for allies iirc

[coral crest]

You can also see the corners of your screen turn blue

[coral crest]

Oh god it doesn't affect you, just checked

What an evil augment

It's a conclave augment, makes sense ig

[hard dove]

it is?

[shrewd glen]

i just started the game 2 weeks ago & that seems like a high end technique, i just want optimal defenses atm in general like maybe prime redirection with fast deflection i heard was good

[hard dove]

is that what the diamon icon mean?

conclave augment that got used for pve?

[coral crest]

Yes

[fervent rapids]

diamond means it can be used both in and out of Conclave

[coral crest]

Conclave mods are generally weird support and qol stuff

[fervent rapids]

actual Conclave symbol is for the Conclave-exclusive mods

[coral crest]

Shout-out to this garbage

[fierce lark]

if you're still doing base starchart, then you probably don't need (or have access to) any crazy defense yet anyways

[near crater]

That's it? Something like that would be in the base kit

[shrewd glen]

can't i purchase them in the player market ?

[fierce lark]

redirection is really only used on hildryn because her main source of damage has max shield scaling

[fierce lark]

you can if you want

primed mods however have a 1mil credit fee to buy

[shrewd glen]

i have 15mil credits

[fierce lark]

.. after 2 weeks of starting?

[shrewd glen]

i have a friend who's been helping me farm credits and endos in places i haven't unlocked yet

[fierce lark]

oh well there you go

though primed redirection is not really a great survivability mod

[shrewd glen]

what would you say are the best survivability mods

[fierce lark]

assuming you're not shield gating

adaptation, rolling guard, health conversion, arcane blessing

some combination of those things

[shrewd glen]

alright bet

[fierce lark]

catalyzing shields + fast deflection + vigilante vigor is a combination of mods that do what's called "passive gating"

which is shield gating that works on its own

you always get 1.33s duration shield gate no matter what your shield is when it breaks, and the faster shield recharge rate means you only have to avoid damage for ~0.5s to get your shields back

[near snow]

is there anyway to group enemy with diriga? i didnt find anything on yt

[fierce lark]

diriga doesn't group, it just aoe primes with arc coil + manifold

only companion that groups iirc is nautilus with cordon

[near snow]

awh alright

thanks bro

[quiet laurel]

worst case is 0.8 second vulnerability

[ruby lantern]

Guys what arcane to use on syam except influence,

[shrewd glen]

so which one of the two defense examples is the most optimal for excal?

[frail aspen]

Yoo guys need ez build and strong for sevagoth prime im rank 9 and specially without the ghost because I don’t like him

[fierce lark]

i have no idea tbh because i dont play excal, but health conversion is a pretty expensive mod/annoying to grind for, and arcane blessing is an arcane

also i think the health conversion things also requires you have a companion that works with synth deconstruct, to actually generate the health orbs for it

[shrewd glen]

the passive shield gating sounds like my best bet then

[frail aspen]

He is my first prime hope he worthy it xd

[fierce lark]

you can also add an augur mod (or use brief respite in the aura) and that'll let you press any ability to regen shields and reset your gate

[trail swan]

anybody knows good builds for gram and dual keres prime?

[shrewd glen]

bet, thanks for the tip 👌

[karmic badger]

Hmm... Catalyzing shield on Wisp?

[fierce lark]

seems kinda un-wisp

[karmic badger]

I don't like relying on her flotation device for survival

[fierce lark]

rely on health motes then

throw on adaptation, arcane guardian or health conversion

sit in your big pile of health and hps

[hard dove]

press 2

[karmic badger]

Well i am using cataclysm gate, and universal fallout

[midnight horizon]

Is tatsu prime worth building over broken war?

[fervent rapids]

two different weapon types

Two-handed Nikana vs. Sword

[midnight horizon]

So for early game like let's say deimos, and I run wisp does that change anything? Im bad with explaining sorry lol

[fervent rapids]

Not really. Most frames don't directly "need" specific weapons or weapon types

[midnight horizon]

Whats tatsu's strength?

[fervent rapids]

weapon "strength" is mainly just dependent on the mods

not so much "how strong are they" as it is "how are they strong"

if that makes sense

[midnight horizon]

I sorta meant like what's their gimmick since broken war is usually for early-mid game element status melee builds

Sorry 😅

[fervent rapids]

ah right. Well Tatsu does have its unique passive. There's not many Two-handed Nikanas just in general, and all of them have special passives too

[carmine dew]

bluntly: no, not really

[quiet laurel]

tatsu's strength is MR fodder

[carmine dew]

broken war is a very good weapon that you get for free

[pure gate]

What Archgun has the highest single target DPS

[carmine dew]

grattler, i think?

[fervent rapids]

probably Mausolon or Kuva Grattler

[carmine dew]

yeah it's one of those

[pure gate]

Alr, how long would it probs take to get the grattler

[carmine dew]

iirc (which i probably dont because no one knows anything about arch guns) grattler is slightly better but you have to farm it up and the mausolon you get for free

it's a lich weapon, so however long it takes you to hunt a lich

[pure gate]

I thought each lich has a randomised weapon or sum

[fervent rapids]

you see which weapon they'll have before you create them

[quiet laurel]

you can remove a weapon from the pool each time you dont take a weapon and go to extraction

[pure gate]

Oooh, thats sick

[fervent rapids]

so you can choose to let the Larvling die instead, which will remove that weapon from the pool until you either create the Lich or go through all the weapons

[carmine dew]

note that you have to finish the mission

dont abort it if the larvling doesnt have the weapon you want

[pure gate]

Ohh alr, thanks then yall

[swift sky]

Any changes I could make?

Negative could be better like Zoom or something but its not the end of the world for me

[carmine dew]

ocucor is literally 9% puncture base so its probably not a huge deal lol

[swift sky]

Exactly

[carmine dew]

but yeah that looks good, you could mess around with a damage calculator

kinda have to do that if rivens are involved

[swift sky]

You lose a bit from the Puncture Procs but you wouldnt be getting much out of them

[fervent rapids]

if anything it helps the heat weighting slightly

[swift sky]

Yeah, Only true negative is 1 less Proc for GunCo but id be getting Puncture from Priming anyway

[languid marten]

Is the stahlta ever worth using over the telos boltor incarnon?

[karmic badger]

Incarnons are typically superior to most weapons, tho the stalhta has the funni nuclear power rod cannon alt fire

[old marsh]

I suggest even better. Boltor Prime Incarnon

[languid marten]

if i wanted to use the stahlta, would it be better to slap on primary acuity or just stick to galv chamber?

[karmic badger]

Acuity for funni big number on the alt fire, galv on for more consistent standard fire

[old marsh]

Acuity will almost always be better but it’s always about aiming for headshots/weakpoints.

I personally just try to stay away from it coz I just can’t aim for shit

[karmic badger]

Ehh, off the top of my head, multishot being multiplicative means acuity will always be just short, since DE made it consistently additive

[languid marten]

damb,...

[karmic badger]

Tbf some weapons could easily hit damage cap with acuity

[fierce lark]

Acuity is also bugged and does more than what it says

[craggy blaze]

anyone got a really good torid build without a riven?

[old marsh]

u can replace thermite rounds with firestorm if u want

[topaz idol]

What exactly does volts shield double with critical hits? The final damage of critical hits, the critical damage multiplier, or the modded critical damage? It's unclear from the wiki

It just says its multiplicative but with what?

[fierce lark]

with your critical damage

it's another multiplier to your crits

[topaz idol]

Yes but which part of it? lol

[fierce lark]

imagine you have a second "critical damage" number in your stats

[topaz idol]

Do you know which one of these 3 it is

[fierce lark]

thats what electric shield does

[topaz idol]

Because those 3 result in VASTLY different outcomes in what to build for

[fierce lark]

final multiplier

[topaz idol]

Ok, thanks

Nice

[fierce lark]

not quite final damage multiplier but

whatever the damage of your crit is, electric shield will multiply it again and add that damage

[topaz idol]

Yeah bc if it was either of the other two you'd want to just build for as high tier crits as possible, because that'd way more than double your damage, but if it's just final then it doesn't matter

Yeah

Is worthy comradery just +75% modded crit chance on weakspot hits or is it more complicated?

Ok its apparently just that its not more complicated

[fierce lark]

+75% additive modded crit to weak spots, same as acuity

[topaz idol]

Yeah

Im trying to cook up an evade volt build

[drowsy herald]

does priemd firestrom work on glaxion if you are doing a blast element build?

tenet glaxion

[near snow]

rolling guard or adaptation?

[agile orbit]

Anyone have a nice quick Ember build that's decently good?

[coral crest]

Firestorm only works on weapon's innate AoE

So this would only work on Glaxion Vandal

[drowsy herald]

Aw damn

[mellow jewel]

does anyone have a solid Burston build?

[abstract bison]

ok so with the new arcanes, vadarya prime

elemental gun co with primary debilitate or a crapton of multishot with primary overcharge?

[mellow jewel]

wasn't it better to go for base dmg with that sniper?

[abstract bison]

so multishot primary overcharge build?

wait gun co from galv aptitude is also base dmg

[mellow jewel]

it's aditive on the vadarya prime

not multiplicative

[abstract bison]

so a dot build with primary debilitate might be mediocre on the vadarya prime?

[mellow jewel]

you can try it

I haven't gotten the gun yet to say for certain

[abstract bison]

oh wait maybe the lightning strikes aren't affected by galv aptitude anyway but not sure yet

[coral crest]

Seems like a good idea considering how often caliban is full energy

Not that there's something extra special with him

[abstract bison]

yeah overcharge might be the safer build here

[coral crest]

But it's his rifle

[abstract bison]

wait hang on the lightning strikes also procs statuses from applied mods

so a dot build might be okay

since it's innate electric, maybe we can do an easier corrosive blast build? and with debilitate there's gonna be all sorts of single elements happening

[mellow jewel]

the lightnig strikes go for headshots always right?

[abstract bison]

yeah

[mellow jewel]

have you slapped this on your build?

[mighty pelican]

only if the initial hit was a headshot, at least thats my observation when using harrow

[abstract bison]

wait why not go for an acuity gun co primary debilitate build

[mighty pelican]

vadarya can cause far mor strikes with multishot

yeah you would do much more damage but lose a ton of cc

[abstract bison]

oh good point

no multishot means less status so no 10 stacks to proc debilitate

[mighty pelican]

i have a spammy high firerate vadarya build with the downside of that i have to use purple elec shards to boost the dmg lol

i run pure elec on my vadarya

[karmic badger]

I think electric gas would be better no? Both can proc headshot multipliers

[mighty pelican]

@abstract bison and whoever was asking for vadarya advice

weakpoint hits gurantee the strikes to be one too, otherwise only when the strike happens to land on their weakpoint due to their anatomy

[mighty pelican]

electric causes a lot of chain dot's and the stun also helps with aiming and changing targets

[abstract bison]

sigh primary deadhead it is then

[mighty pelican]

yeah thats what i run too

partly for the recoil reduction due to my firerate and partly for the headshot mult

[abstract bison]

i'm just really curious if galvanized aptitude direct damage passive also applies on the lightning strikes

[mighty pelican]

no

sadly not

[abstract bison]

damn

[mighty pelican]

my build, as a said it requires some purple elec shards since i sacrificed a lot to max out multishot and speed 🥲

my not much used acuity build lmao

[abstract bison]

what would the multishot with primary overcharge look like?

[mighty pelican]

hmmmm 640%

[abstract bison]

wowie

[mighty pelican]

with the riven and not by me used vigilante armaments 700%

galv chamber 230% + vigil armaments 60% + primary overcharge 350% = 640%

[abstract bison]

oh yeah right multishot still needs to be boosted by the base dmg multiplier right

[mighty pelican]

yeah, so serration and deadhead

ideally

[topaz idol]

You cant have both overcharge and deadhead but yes

[mighty pelican]

otherwise you could go for serration and- faction mod..

or do a shotgun build with this lmao

can be stacked with serration

[abstract bison]

serration, heavy caliber, then overcharge

[mighty pelican]

honestly spread + punch through would lead to more potential hits

[abstract bison]

but the accuracy

[mighty pelican]

i need to try that out

you can add more primary dmg with warframe arcanes

[abstract bison]

if galv gun co worked on the lightning with debilitate it would scale more further prolly lol

would be insanely broken

[mighty pelican]

EXCUSE ME???

didnt know overcharge just makes the stats give up LOL

[abstract bison]

infinite lightning

[mighty pelican]

nvm now it fixed itself after entering and exiting a dojo lmao

[random pelican]

am I taking this in the right direction? codea catabolyst

[lavish orbit]

you basically make it a primer

[fierce lark]

i see irradiate and direction has already been lost

[timid dust]

Hey yall ive thrown an insane amount of crit chance on mesa and her regulators (if we count every mod, arcane, archon shard, etc, but when I am to hit orange/red crits, the numbers are not as big as they should be.

Below you can see every build I use and their performance. I combine secondary outburst with furax wraith (melee cruscendo + amalgam furax body count)

Or do i like farm my ahh off to get arcane hot shot? Either way I believe Ive thrown a crap ton of crit chance and have left crit damage out, thats why. even in longer runs (where the topaz shards slowly cap out, it will eventually reach all red crits but dmg will still be little when it comes to level cap health. I even added nourish for the extra status

[lavish orbit]

seems correct tho

Why don't u put outburst on your secondary and something else on the regulators

[timid dust]

so i wait for the crit chance from the shards to cap on longer runs?

[timid dust]

cuz I want the damage from the 12 combo multiplier (furax) on the regulators

[fierce lark]

it's a single target nukor

you want enervate, crit dmg, viral heat, galvshot & diffusion, fire rate & bane/elementalist

[lavish orbit]

the damage are on secondaries tho, not THE secondary (except if that changed ?)

Increase secondary multiplier

[lavish orbit]

Eh my bad.

[timid dust]

thanks for confirming

So i just wait for the crit chance to max out from all sources in longer runs? (e.g. shards)

[fierce lark]

i didn't think it did because mesa guides say to equip it for max dps

[lavish orbit]

I basically use fortifier, tried irradiate lately, enervate to try things up but its useless since you already are at high crit chance

[timid dust]

So no outburst? If no outburst, then theres no use for furax and melee crescendo, except from the fire rate the amalgam mod gives me

hot shot is an option, no?

[lavish orbit]

Yes it is

[timid dust]

despite being a pain to farm. do you think it would be better than outburst + furax wraith (everything included) ?

[lavish orbit]

Well, for optimized damage, maybe no, but has a playstyle, it can do well

[timid dust]

well in the clips i hadnt killed many enemies and the multiplies hadnt really stacked, thats surely one thing

But even so, ill eventually (in longer runs) get enough crit chance to hit all red. but what if the numbers are still low? Ive always been the "i dont care about color, i care about numbers" gal, but dont I need some crit damage too?

I only got target cracker

[lavish orbit]

Instead of growing power, take combat discipline r3, because in your test if you don't take damages, arcane avenger is useless

[timid dust]

Thats why i turned on the enemy AI on one of the clips

[lavish orbit]

Oh didn't see that one

[fierce lark]

what's stopping you from doing all of the above

you drop avenger and run velocity+hotshot, furax with crescendo and outburst

[timid dust]

What exactly do you mean?

[fierce lark]

hotshot is a warframe arcane, not a secondary

[timid dust]

will it be worth it though?

i mean, will it be better?

[fierce lark]

better than what, avenger? r0 hotshot idk, r5 hotshot there's no question

[timid dust]

hotshot is still more crit chance. whats chance without damage?

[fierce lark]

damage is coming from primed cracker + tenacious bond + outburst

and the same argument applies to avenger, no?

[timid dust]

thats all I needed to start farming it

[timid dust]

does it?

[fierce lark]

they're both crit chance

[timid dust]

so is 6.3x enough for critical damage? or should I need more?

[fierce lark]

you have as much as you can get

ptc+tenacious+outburst is pretty much it, other than some way to stealth with crepuscular

[timid dust]

okay, so my next task is replacing avenger with hotshot. what about companion? I currently have nautilus prime

[timid dust]

thanks for the help 🙏

[fierce lark]

nautilus is kinda w/e, mesa doesn't care about grouping

[timid dust]

tbh i have it for the vacuum mostly.

[fierce lark]

every companion has vacuum or a beast equivalent

[abstract bison]

crit tiers boost the damage

[fierce lark]

yeah each tier of crit adds the crit damage multiplier again, so they multiply off of each other perpetually

[timid dust]

oh really?

That clears up my confusion 😭
-# Thanks 🙏

[fierce lark]

if you have 5x crit damage and 150% crit chance, your guaranteed yellow crits will do 5x damage. but the occasional orange crit you land will do 10x damage

[timid dust]

Oh I see

Thats why we dont want additional damage?

and we want status/chance?

[abstract bison]

there are three different tiers of red crit

[fierce lark]

red crits would do 15x, tier 2 red crits ❗ would do 20x, etc etc

[abstract bison]

highest is when you see !!!

[quiet laurel]

there are infinite tiers of red crit

[fierce lark]

i have been told this is only visual, and it still continues to scale beyond !!!

[quiet laurel]

but visually only 4 get shown

[timid dust]

Thats when you got a crap ton of exclamation marks?

its because of the insane amount of crit chance?

[fierce lark]

yeah, at 600% critical chance you will always see ❗❗❗ crits

[lavish orbit]

Here you go, don't mind roar, but that's with all we said above (stacked)

[fierce lark]

but they still continue to multiply for every 100%

which i think realistically is only possible currently with kullervo or maybe certain weapons with invigorations

[timid dust]

wow... mind telling me how to make numbers appear with letters (k,m, hopefuly b) instead of ,000......?

[fierce lark]

there's an option somewhere, accessibility maybe

[quiet laurel]

settings

[abstract bison]

a 400% power strength wrathful advance is 400% flat melee crit chance for example

it gets crazier when your power strength is doubled during fissure missions lol

[lavish orbit]

200% str invigoration with 420% strength at base, 620%*2 with fissure, 1240% flat crit chance lmao I need to invi my valkyr

[abstract bison]

then there's also the lua tileset

or 1999 modifiers

[fierce lark]

kullervo's WA is 2:1 his ability strength

[timid dust]

So that will stack up gradually? Cuz the shards (esp when I have all 5) will need some time and kills, considering their buffs stay for the whole mission (or until you are downed)

[mighty pelican]

590% multishot vadarya lmao (only 4 primary overcharge sadly)

[abstract bison]

it shows 1:1

[abstract bison]

multishot it is then

[lavish orbit]

Don't worry about that, you just need to prime heat or do heat damage to get the stacks from shards

[fierce lark]

are you looking at it on kullervo? or subsumed on someone?

[abstract bison]

subsume

[fierce lark]

subsumed WA is 1:1

[fierce lark]

on kullervo it's 2:1

[abstract bison]

the duration is gutted on subsume tho

[mighty pelican]

i still prefer deadhead bc the 1k energy required to max out overcharge is very frame limiting, but if it works for you

[lavish orbit]

I tested with the same :)

[timid dust]

okay guys thanks for helping me with all that mesa and regulator stuff 🙏

[lavish orbit]

||Don't mind the exilus||

[fierce lark]

overcharge only seems functional on chroma, or on a 1k armor invig

[timid dust]

👀

[severe kettle]

Anyone got a good build for kuva grattler for sp?

[lavish orbit]

Stuck in the pepperoni /

[covert badger]

is this a questionable triple umbra build?

[lavish orbit]

Well, persistence, need some test but maybe valuable at really high level

[abstract bison]

i also have a persistence build on umbra but i'm using arcane reaper and adaptation instead

90% conditional DR on each element on 1k health with persistence is alright

[mighty pelican]

with my riven i could reach 700% multishot, combined with the 2.2 punch through (lets assume 2 pierces = 3 hits) the best possible outcome is **63 lightning strikes **

[fierce lark]

it's an 8 forma excalibur build with an augmented warcry subsumed and triumbral

i certainly have a lot of questions

[abstract bison]

the additional armor from arcane reaper together with the armor from triumbral let's you ignore the armor debuff from enemy heatprocs and you get health regen on melee kill

[covert badger]

hardly a surprise of, dont trust warframe youtuber

[fierce lark]

hunter adrenaline is a nice touch

nobody uses this shit so i had to look up what it does lmao

[abstract bison]

the only thing that could kill you at this point is violence or magnetic procs lol

[fierce lark]

the subsumed eternal warcry is really sad

because it really does just feel like a dogwater valkyr

[abstract bison]

not the best but it's mine lol

[fierce lark]

at least if you WA over howl and add furious javelin, you can hit some stupidly big numbers