builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

it does

[teal holly]

Cool, thanks.

[gaunt gust]

holy, Primed toxic mod for arch-guns

[teal holly]

Oh, is today Baro?

[gaunt gust]

yeah

he's in already

[latent adder]

thats for duration really

u could add more str if u prefer

[gaunt gust]

^

^

@latent adder curious what you think, and ofc the context is endurance

[latent adder]

if you need backup survivability use vazarin

for endurance i would just use evade lol

i wouldnt use any augur mods on condemn harrow

[gaunt gust]

Zenurik Tauron Strike seems like a good idea too

[latent adder]

in case you reset your big 2.5s gate with a tiny 0.33s

[gaunt gust]

nah, i'm more so thinking backup survivability option

[latent adder]

yeah if u dont spend too much energy zen is good

augur mods more likely to sabotage

[fierce lark]

evade over 3 sounds hilarious actually

[gaunt gust]

200% shields from a 45% efficiency cast still sounds like a good amount of shields

+with 2 Amber Tau shards

[latent adder]

evade is definitely the comfiest

[latent adder]

doesnt it cost like.. 39 energy

u get like 80 shield

[gaunt gust]

ugh, Condemn does

[fierce lark]

condemn is the only ability you're pressing more than once every minute or two tho

[gaunt gust]

but 2 is 80, i think

[latent adder]

2 removes shield

[gaunt gust]

actually that's the part that i don't get, does Augur give shields before or after?

cuz if it's after, still sounds pretty good

[latent adder]

good question, idk

ive actively avoided using augur mods on harrow lol

[gaunt gust]

brotherman makes a build with 2 augur mods

[quiet laurel]

would assume before since the energy consumtion is instant but the animation is a thing

[gaunt gust]

doesn't use augur mods himself

[latent adder]

did i put augur mods on? i forgot lol

oh yeah i remember

so if you press ONLY 1 and use it to regain shields during a long gate, you should be safe getting a long gate back

[fierce lark]

when you are the main community build writer for every relevant piece of equipment in the game, sometimes you forget things

happens

[toxic lotus]

Is newbie allowed to ask for builds in this channel ?

[fierce lark]

ideally if it's about builds xd

[latent adder]

but if you break shields get 2.5s gate, press 2 or 3 it would shut the gate down to like 0.5 to 1s

[gaunt gust]

wouldn't it still be preferable to have that 80 shields for a "oh fk oh fk" type situation?

[latent adder]

i guess if you dont randomly press 2 or 3 its not an issue so thats why i added them

[latent adder]

yeah i think that was the thinking in the end lol

but fr tho, use vazarin!

[gaunt gust]

yeah, on top of the fact that the overshields are doubled on Harrow

[fierce lark]

the auger mods in the context of the build look like they're just there for stats

[latent adder]

bit of both i guess

[maiden cargo]

worth it ? big boom blast ? or nah

[latent adder]

if its coda mire, nah

[fierce lark]

uhhhh mire is a slam weapon, i dont think it wants blast

[gaunt gust]

eeeh... dunno, fam, Madurai/Zenurik/Unairu one love, what's Vazarin good for?

[fierce lark]

although

[latent adder]

vazarin protective dash gives you 5s immortality any time no cooldown

[maiden cargo]

copy

[fierce lark]

slam builds kinda just want max elemental damage, it could be fine lol

[latent adder]

its the ultimate, i will never die

madurai is for ez bodyshot thrax, zenurik is just for energy and afk specter kills

[maiden cargo]

yeah, was trying to get CC / CD then this pop up

[novel bear]

Mire’s afflictions

[latent adder]

also vazarin increases affinity range

which synergizes with harrow

[gaunt gust]

ooooh, 100% shield recharge rate and -50% delay one?

[fierce lark]

i wouldn't be rerolling for a coda mire personally, it has the usual adversary issue of dogshit disposition

[latent adder]

nah protective sling

with magus cloud, u just sling anywhere near yourself

5s immortality

[gaunt gust]

wait so you dash through your warframe and it works?

[latent adder]

yup, anytime, no cooldown

[gaunt gust]

holy shit

[maiden cargo]

@fierce lark true thats why tis 1 mod for 2 slots

free blast

[fierce lark]

if you get the vazarin tauron strike too you can mod your amp and do level cap cascade without needing madurai to 1shot thrax

[lofty epoch]

Hey I'm looking for the riven mod Skiajati Acricron?

[gaunt gust]

547 middle mouse does the job, imo

ricochets for days

[fierce lark]

it's great for self revives, doesn't really kill thrax

[gaunt gust]

it's especially juicy when there's 2 of em next to each other

[fierce lark]

not quickly anyhow

[gaunt gust]

nah the ricochet gets spun back into him on void status

it's giga, i'm telling you

[quiet laurel]

x4x thrax killing tech

might wanna suggest it in cascade server :clueless:

[latent adder]

madurai with phahd will kill thrax

no headshot or aiming

or voidstrike

[gaunt gust]

madurai with the Steadfast amp arcanes will kill thrax with almost any amp

[latent adder]

yep but utility wise, vaz/zen

[fierce lark]

the idea is getting out of madurai

[latent adder]

u can just headshot them with vaz

[fierce lark]

and using the prism for the reason you installed it xd

[latent adder]

and benefit from being totally immortal

[gaunt gust]

Zenurik Tauron gives 45% STR and DUR

[maiden cargo]

zen is good overall buffer

[latent adder]

or if its a frame that doesnt spend much energy u can make zen pages just kill thrax for u

[gaunt gust]

the pages can target thrax ghosts?

[latent adder]

yep

they basically just do your job for u

[gaunt gust]

that's innsane

with everything slotted up with lenses, you're basically Shepard in the Control ending "Eternal. Infinite. Immortal."

[maiden cargo]

if you have build uses armor value unaru can also be good

[gaunt gust]

oh that part is actually amazing with the new 500 dmg/s max arcane

[maiden cargo]

whats the build for amp dmg lv 9999

[gaunt gust]

that got me thinking

[maiden cargo]

i am too lazy now to go lv cap

[gaunt gust]

multishot on amps? @latent adder

[maiden cargo]

@gaunt gust thats 1 mod yes

[gaunt gust]

cuz honestly i'm torn between fire rate and multishot

[gaunt gust]

i'm running the blue Zenurik and Madurai mods (Tauron charge and amp dmg respectively), red Zenurik (40% max amp charge), red Naramon (60% cc and 20% cd), and the last slot is either Madurai +multishot or Madurai +fire rate

[umbral sleet]

hello i just got Sevagoth Prime and i'm wondering how should i build it

[maiden cargo]

caster frame

kind a forgot how to play him

[umbral sleet]

soo... how do i build him ?

[novel bear]

High investment nuke build is 255 strength, subsume roar, and augments for his 1 and 2

[maiden cargo]

@gaunt gust

[gaunt gust]

that's not looking very hot

[umbral sleet]

i put roar on the 4th ?

[novel bear]

Yes

[umbral sleet]

alright

does formating a wf cancel the subsume ability ?

[maiden cargo]

no

[umbral sleet]

okok

[maiden cargo]

why

[gaunt gust]

you have 3 red mods, they're not buffing you very well, at most you can have 2 while utilizing their buffs properly

[maiden cargo]

its school not color

[novel bear]

Red mods get buffed by mods from a certain other school

[gaunt gust]

the red mods give buffs based on how many mods of a specific school you have

[novel bear]

Blue mods get buffed by mods from different schools

[gaunt gust]

yeah, the best ratio i'd found is 2 red mods, 2 blue mods, and 1 white one

red+blue 1 school, blue+white another, and the last red should be of neither school but buffed by one of em

[fierce lark]

best mod combination seems to be raw dogging all of the mods that each + dps in a diff way

crit mod, amp damage mod, ms mod, fr+eff mod

and then the initial charge tauron strike mod bc why not

[gaunt gust]

multishot and fire rate mods are both madurai

as well as the amp damage one

[umbral sleet]

his build should look like that ?

like going lots of strenght

[gaunt gust]

but the crit mod is Naramon, which is buffed by Zenurik

[novel bear]

Negative efficiency is bad, you want 3 or 4 archon shards for strength, umbral intensify, transient fortitude, and potentially one more strength mod, power drift, amar’s hatred, or augur secrets

[gaunt gust]

negative efficiency is based and shield gating pilled, don't listen to this fella

[umbral sleet]

1 sec then imma fix it

[novel bear]

On some frames it’s fine, on sevagoth it’s bad

[gaunt gust]

nah, the shadow's survivability is pretty much dependent on shield gating

[fierce lark]

negeff isn't gating pilled, cata respite is gating pilled

[gaunt gust]

negative efficiency doubles the shield rate, though

[fierce lark]

catashields locks shield gate duration to its max rate of 1.33s

[novel bear]

Cat shields makes shield rate not matter

[fierce lark]

regardless of how much you regenerate

[gaunt gust]

ok, then you should mention arcane shield immortality

[undone pier]

Is this a good steel path build

[novel bear]

No

[gaunt gust]

melee crescendo?

[novel bear]

Put on a steel mod, sacrificial preferably

[gaunt gust]

how do you have 8 forma in the Skiajati?

[undone pier]

I put polarity on all the mods slots

[fierce lark]

thats impressive honestly

[fierce lark]

this is both a complete waste of forma and also a really bad idea, as it severely limits flexibility of mod choices

[gaunt gust]

yeah i'm not sure whether to be impressed or distraught

[umbral sleet]

gotta forma my aura slot for more space ig

[gaunt gust]

why would you roar over 4

[novel bear]

Also, take off overextended, the negative strength is bad

[umbral sleet]

@novel bear told me

[umbral sleet]

with what should i replace it ?

[gaunt gust]

@novel bear why would you tell him to roar over 4

[undone pier]

I'm going to change one soon once I get galvanized elementalist

[novel bear]

For a nuke build?

[novel bear]

Cat shields preferably

[gaunt gust]

but what about the shadow debuff

[umbral sleet]

no idea what this is

[queen mulch]

Is this the right spot to ask for opinions on Rivens? I just rerolled one and it looks promising, but I'm new to the Riven game.

[fierce lark]

use regular intensify instead of umbral, umbral is barely more strength when it is maxed and yours isn't even maxed yet

[fierce lark]

yes

[umbral sleet]

okok

[gaunt gust]

Catalyzing Shields, 1.33 sec invulnerability at small amount of shields, gives you the ability to be invulnerable on demand

[fierce lark]

left, right is unslottable

[umbral sleet]

how do i get it ?

[novel bear]

If you just have the shadow debuff and no roar you need like 400% strength

[gaunt gust]

Dragon Keys

[queen mulch]

What makes it unslottable? Is it the - status duration%?

[fierce lark]

catashields isn't a corrupted mod isn't it?

[gaunt gust]

which is achievable in the current meta

[umbral sleet]

okok thanks

[novel bear]

It is

[umbral sleet]

and for that last slot what mod should i use ?

[fierce lark]

oh wow

[novel bear]

Yeah, but why when you could just slot roar

[gaunt gust]

for a disposable trench body that you can pop into in times of great need

[novel bear]

Equilibrium

[fierce lark]

yeah, -duration kinda destroys the status damage, not ideal on a slam weapon running afflictions

[umbral sleet]

aight thanks

imma forma for more space and try to get the catalyzing shield mod

[fierce lark]

status duration is pmuch always an unusable negative

[maiden cargo]

@novel bear @gaunt gust ic ic leme check see if i can fix it

[fierce lark]

catalyzing shields is the same polarity as overextended

[queen mulch]

I see, I see. Follow up question then, it's easy to tell if a weapon is crit or status inclined, correct? If the crit is high/low, for example?

[gaunt gust]

the Deez polarity

[queen mulch]

Mire, that makes sense, because of its innate toxin

[umbral sleet]

might sounds stupid but what about the aura mod ?

[violet path]

D polarity for warframe is always for something defensive

zenurik is energy + augments

the = one that is

[novel bear]

Zenurik is -

Oh, that’s naramon, nvm

Why are the energy mods naramon?

[umbral sleet]

so... which aura mod is decent for sevagoth ?

[novel bear]

Brief respite

[umbral sleet]

aight thanks

gotta get them archon shards now, you said 3 to 4 ability strenght ?

what about the last one ?

[ruby lantern]

Is xoris on chroma better as a corrupt charge heavy spam or 12x tennokai?

[gaunt gust]

xoris is good?

[spiral chasm]

xoris is goated

[gaunt gust]

that has to be cap

glaive prime and the coda glaive are a thing

[spiral chasm]

glaive prime is not longer that great from what it was before the armor/hp rework

[karmic badger]

left or right?

[gaunt gust]

do you fight grineer often?

[lofty epoch]

Does this look like a good Zephyr build? I'm looking for one that could help me through Angels of Zariman, but I don't know what's considered good

[karmic badger]

im in the middle of hunting a lich

that and i do like farming for orokin cells

[gaunt minnow]

So I just got the strun prime. I dont have the incarnon yet, how should I mod it until i do get it?

[fierce lark]

that would mean you fight a lot of infested

[karmic badger]

A fair bit, though alot of my recent orokin cells are from farming saturn captures and void fissures

[fierce lark]

the right one is really good vs grineer on a heat infusion build with acid shells

thats about it

ive certainly never heard of blast sobek but anything is possible

[ruby lantern]

Is gloom+arcane persistence+ arcane blessing better or arcane persistence+arcane battery+ quick thinking+ gloom

For survivability on chroma. FYI i am also running hunter adrenaline.

[rocky aurora]

Xoris and Falcor are both goated af due to Influence. I have a bias toward Falcor though because it has a forced electric proc on it explosion. I use it at level cap all the time and it wipes groups

Xoris is easier to headshot explosion with, though

[wispy depot]

Is it a good idea to put kullervo's first on ash's 3rd (teleport) and replace it with arcane energize? For more CC and CD

[gaunt gust]

but Coda Pathocyst

[rocky aurora]

Yea built in viral and possibility of electric valence.

But I just use Nourish with falcor and its the same thing 🤷‍♂️

And forced electric proc, which is nice

[fierce lark]

not cap, xoris is good, because influence is good, and xoris forces elec procs

falcor and xoris probably are just the two best glaives

[rocky aurora]

If influence didnt exist then it wouldn't be that way, but it does exist

[fierce lark]

falcor also benefits from insane riven dispo

[gaunt gust]

forced electric proc seems excessive given it can't refresh while active

[fierce lark]

that's not really relevant to the equation

you get consistent activation of influence, which while cannot be refreshed, also doesn't have a cooldown

and you get a forced electricity dot that spreads around with influence

[gaunt gust]

it's electricity, it spreads around regardless

[fierce lark]

electric spreads 3m from the target

influence spreads 20m

comparing the two is asinine

[gaunt gust]

yeah i'm not arguing against influence, though

[fierce lark]

seems like you're arguing against forced electric procs feeding very heavily into influence

[silent ledge]

hello does anyone have a build for Valkyr? i didn't know they rework her. i just got back playing warframe again

[scenic echo]

Realized I should have put it here instead of general

Does anyone know how rivens work for the vinquibus?

[gaunt gust]

they don't feed into influence, you proc it consistently with weeping wounds, proccing influence is never a problem

[rocky aurora]

1 generates for primary, 1 generated for melee, which are separate afaik

[rocky aurora]

Using weeping wounds on a heavy attack glaive is meme

[fierce lark]

you don't use weeping wounds with heavy spam builds

[gaunt gust]

that's even more of a cap, ceramic dagger exists

[scenic echo]

Do they both work at the same time if I slot one onto primary and the other onto melee?

[severe bough]

Ceramic dagger is just special

[rocky aurora]

I believe that yes, they will work separately as if it were 2 different weapons

[fierce lark]

outside of IC incarnon evos, you don't use weeping wounds for heavy builds

[rocky aurora]

Yea comparing ceramic dagger, the exception to the rule vs the rule is kinda weird

[fierce lark]

also

since falcor and xoris force elec every explosion, they can slot melee elementalist over galvanized

[gaunt gust]

magistar is also a thing

[rocky aurora]

Crescendo is too

[severe bough]

Magistar only uses br

[gaunt gust]

which has the same mechanic as weeping wounds, just for crit

[rocky aurora]

Yea so its better

[fierce lark]

pathocyst has to slot galvanized elementalist and lose some attack speed because it needs the status chance, due to having to proc electric manually

[gaunt gust]

pathocyst also has maggots that explode weapon statuses, afaik

[rocky aurora]

Yea but everything is dead before that

[gaunt gust]

and not using either elemental mods with an influence build is insanity

[severe bough]

Yea but thats just because we get 8x combo every other heavy spam melee execpt some rare ones dont use acolyte mods

[rocky aurora]

Thats not the argument, though

They're saying to use regular elementalist for the heavy attack speed over galv

Which falcor and xoris can do because of forced electric procs

[gaunt gust]

yeah the argument is that forced electric proc is somehow better on influence, when in reality you'd have electricity weigh higher than every other status damage, guaranteeing you proc it consistently enough to trigger influence

[rocky aurora]

Thats not gonna happen

[fierce lark]

how is it guaranteed if it's not guaranteed??

[rocky aurora]

If you need to take out a mod to use weeping wounds just to do something that falcor and xoris do built in, idk if it's better

[undone dust]

we only use peak here guys (kestrel prime)

[gaunt gust]

it's an explosion, you have 50%+ status, you hit more than 2 enemies - that's almost 100% proc

[severe bough]

Arent forced elc procs just always Happening on every hit regarding of the sc on the weapon ?

[severe bough]

Influencing the kestrel prime fr fr

[rocky aurora]

Except you have the possibility to proc 3 statuses between the 50% sc, which means electric does not have a 50% chance to proc

[rocky aurora]

No just recall explosions are forced electric

But falcor does also have good base SC so youre also right anyway

[undone dust]

xatas with kestrel prime, trust (the void bubbles let kestrel bounce on the same enemy and toss them around like a discarded piece of trash)

[rocky aurora]

Peak

[severe bough]

Ye but i mean if do heavy deto elc proc should also proc regardless of the sc ?

[severe bough]

[undone dust]

i love the 8 bounces and guaranteed blast procs on each bounce!

[rocky aurora]

Yes thats what forced electric is

[fleet frigate]

Should I keep the one the left?

[rocky aurora]

Like, pathocyst has forced viral and impact iirc

[gaunt gust]

pathocyst has 36% status baseline, you get 120% from galv elementalist, that's something like 78%, you drop in 60/60 electric mod - that's ~90% WITH electricity being the highest weighing element AND free viral

[severe bough]

Ye and thats the reason u dont need galv ele on xoris falcor but on patho since it doesnt have forced elc

And sc isnt that nice on patho iirc

[rocky aurora]

Yes exactly

[severe bough]

What does it have like 25 ishv

[rocky aurora]

I was explaining that lol

[severe bough]

Then i dont get the disscusion goin on here lmao

[rocky aurora]

Xanaf is saying coda pathocyst is above falcor and xoris for influence

[severe bough]

Prob not

[rocky aurora]

Falcor and xoris have forced electric procs

Pathocyst does not

Even if the pathocyst had 120% sc, it still gets split between statuses

[severe bough]

And i assume patho also does have a low dispo falcor has 5 idk about xoris tho

[rocky aurora]

Falcor and xoris dont worry about status chance whatsoever

[rocky aurora]

Exactly lol

Falcor has 1.3 dispo, Coda path has .6

[gaunt gust]

pathocyst has free statuses and a higher status chance, not having viral is losing on free damage, pathocyst can have 360% dmg from CO easy

[flat grove]

Hey, Does blind rage affect uriel’s demons?

[rocky aurora]

Nourish exists?

[gaunt gust]

alongside everything else helminth can give you

do you have nourish on all of your frames?

[rocky aurora]

You keep deflecting every single point, its amazing

[severe bough]

Lmao u reminded me to gamble more need to roll my dtox riv

[fathom sky]

You're not running Nourish on every frame, though Nourish on a frame you would run Nourish on would be a case against Patho in that case

[rocky aurora]

Primers exist too, right?

[fierce lark]

there's a 60:40 split between elec and viral on the patho epxlosion

[river palm]

yeah, they get buffs from increasing strength, duration, range

[fierce lark]

36% status base

[gaunt gust]

how about you answer any of mine before dropping this passive aggressive bs

[rocky aurora]

Anyone that seriously uses CO on a melee should have a primer weapon, imo

[undone dust]

this is kind of just wrong since CO absolutely sucks on glaives as it doesnt affect any of the explosions

[river palm]

enter the stupidest argument in the game

[flat grove]

Thank you so much bro finally someone that can answer

[rocky aurora]

Im seriously engaging with you and you keep deflecting, idk

[river palm]

you can see what stats they effect if you hover over the abilities

[gaunt gust]

how so?

[rocky aurora]

I dont think anyone here is arguing that coda pathocyst deals good damage. Its about which one is better for influence

[gaunt gust]

forced electric is irrelevant when proccing influence isn't an issue, yes or no?

[undone dust]

i am affecting your stats twin

[river palm]

coda pathocyst from what i've found is a lot better on light attack bounce builds

i dont think anything can out perform a heavy explosion xoris tho

[undone dust]

i love glaives that utilize light bounces more than heavy explosions

[severe bough]

Im guessing falcor/xoris light Builds are still stronger bit i dont know never tested that out tbf

[rocky aurora]

I see these as deflections, idk though

[gaunt gust]

forced electric is irrelevant when proccing influence isn't an issue, yes or no?

[river palm]

nah, having the innate viral AND a progenitor element lowkey goes crazy

[rocky aurora]

Youre doing it again

[gaunt gust]

imo it's what you're doing

because the answer is clearly yes

[maiden cargo]

what does erm helmith uriel skill do ?

[fathom sky]

No, because having that forced Electric be spread every time it is proc'd while Influence is active is still nice. Not as drastic as Cinni would be making it out to be but it is something to consider.

[rocky aurora]

The argument here is the forced procs in heavy explosions, not light attack. I dont use light attack with glaives so I genuinely don't know about it

[severe bough]

Interesting im just trying it out someday

[rocky aurora]

I just showed you 3 examples of you doing it, theres more, but whatever

[river palm]

then yeah, there's no beating the xoris, sorry i must've misunderstood

[gaunt gust]

but if we compare to pathocyst, free viral, can go roar, easy dps

[rocky aurora]

Forced electric procs vs non-guaranteed electric procs for Influence

The argument isn't even about damage idek what youre talking about now

[river palm]

it heals health and shields based on your max health

[gaunt gust]

i might be misunderstanding what "deflection" is, but i'm not running away from your points, i'm presenting counter-points

[maiden cargo]

so it does not do any dmg if not mistaken

[rocky aurora]

Youre bringing up exceptions that have nothing to do the with conversation

[river palm]

nope, purely a healing ability

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-losinj69-gif-12181229

[rocky aurora]

Magistar and ceramic 🥀

[fathom sky]

There's extra DPS to consider from each Electric being Influence'd around to the nearby enemies so it's not as simple, especially when iirc Xoris also has higher base damage to scale from.

[gaunt gust]

yeah these exceptions break your argument, though, just as roar+influence breaks your nourish argument

[rocky aurora]

You're deflecting again, the argument isn't about damage

Idk how many times I gotta say that

[gaunt gust]

what does deflection mean in this context?

you keep saying that word and i don't get it

[fierce lark]

so i decided to stop arguing and pull up simulacrum

patho can semi-consistently proc influence if it hits 3 targets, almost always procs on 4+ targets, and will rarely proc on 2 or less targets

this also assumes galvanized elementalist is stacked

[fathom sky]

Oh, it doesn't, huh.

[rocky aurora]

Youre deflecting from the original argument by bringing up points that don't have anything to do with the original argument

[rocky aurora]

Iirc falcor has higher electric anyway, despite xoris having higher CD but im bias toward falcor

[gaunt gust]

the original argument is that forced electric is super good with influence, my argument is that since influence itself is chance based, and can't be reset while active, this argument isn't as strong as you think

[rocky aurora]

Forced electric = guaranteed chances to proc Influence.

Non-forced electric = no guaranteed chances to proc Influence

if the enemies dont die from the explosion

[gaunt gust]

"guaranteed chance" is a nonsense term

[rocky aurora]

How so?

[gaunt gust]

because you always get 20% chance to proc influence on any weapon that procs electric

[rocky aurora]

Forced electric = you are guaranteed to roll the chance to proc Influence on enemies hit

Non forced electric = you are not guaranteed to roll the chance, because there is also the chance to not proc Electric

[fathom sky]

Yeah, and if the Patho doesn't roll those Elec procs when it hits stuff, then you don't get any chances to proc Influence is their point.

[gaunt gust]

i'll trade forced electric for free viral to go Xata or Roar any day of the week

[fierce lark]

sometimes im hitting a group of 9 and not getting an influence proc on patho lol

[fathom sky]

I'd frankly use a primer for Viral and Roar alongside if the enemy really needed that much to kill it.

[rocky aurora]

Thats totally fine, im not talking about subjective opinion here

I completely agree that the coda pathocyst is good af

But thats not the argument

[gaunt gust]

objectively forced electric is irrelevant in an endurance scenario, which is how you see the downsides of builds to begin with

[fierce lark]

lvl 200 SP heavy gunners are still dying in 1 throw from a falcor completely unbuffed

so i think i'll take the added consistently of guaranteed electric proc on every target over viral

[rocky aurora]

Endurance scenario? Like a cap cascade?

[gaunt gust]

yeah

or any lvlcap, really

[rocky aurora]

Falcor is my most used for cap cascades and its not even close lol

And it wipes groups easily

Even without viral

[undone dust]

im pretty sure falcor is actually the most used glaive in cascade anyway

[rocky aurora]

Im sure the coda patho does the same

[gaunt gust]

that's what influence is for, isn't it?

wiping groups

[rocky aurora]

What tf are you arguing now?

Alr im out lmao this has gone too far from the argument

[old marsh]

we should argue who gets prime first. kullervo or citrine

[fierce lark]

you know what the patho does?

feels sad when it kills 2-3 guys without proccing influence and there's still another 7 trickling down the hallway

[gaunt gust]

i guess i'm arguing that some weapons have more utility than AOE damage

[fierce lark]

i'll tell you who doesn't have that problem

[rocky aurora]

Exactly 🥀

[fathom sky]

...Why would it be irrelevant if you wanted an easier time to keep Influence up? If you're going Xoris/Falcor you can just go for a primer and then you get Viral, Roar, and the guaranteed procs.

[severe bough]

Mommy fr

[fierce lark]

but you're arguing against that point because the patho literally does more damage than the other glaives

[old marsh]

Gemussy?

[gaunt gust]

because it's already easy to keep influence up, i literally never had trouble keeping it up

[fathom sky]

And remember that having more Electric procs shooting out is also more DPS in this case

[fierce lark]

it sacrifices utility by having non-guaranteed electric proc chance meaning less chances to proc influence

[worthy siren]

why is there 2 separate damage places?

[rocky aurora]

Alt fire?

[worthy siren]

i used it and i didn't notice any aoe

[worthy siren]

maybe? i'll try it out

[severe bough]

Citirine my beloved

I wonder how the design is gonna be

Please be good

[fathom sky]

Like this entire reason is why Influence is way too strong in general, it's a ranged DPS that also minorly primes everything around it, it does literally every function a weapon Arcane would realistically want to do.

[river palm]

it thought next was voruna?

[gaunt gust]

no i'm saying like... since patho has more damage, it can kill, e.g., thrax easier, while the explosion affects enemies around it, influence or not, even if it procs viral, that's still +dmg

[river palm]

i'm i tweaking

[worthy siren]

there is no alt fire

[severe bough]

Lmao it could actually be voruna

I dont have any clue

[rocky aurora]

Not using a glaive to kill a thrax

[fierce lark]

i dont think someone doing cap cascade is throwing their glaive at thrax im ngl

[river palm]

it's definitely voruna or citrine, i can never remember which came first

[severe bough]

Voruna came with conj survs but did that came before citrine lr after?

[fierce lark]

thats what you bring the laetum for

or insert gun here

[undone dust]

i have to throw my boomerang at their skulls

[rocky aurora]

Take a zaw then

[severe bough]

Ngl crazy that we prob get kullervo prime this year

[undone dust]

zaws dont come back at you

[fierce lark]

not to say you couldn't throw a glaive at thrax, ive seen my patho crit random techrot for over 300mil with baruuk

but we blame that on violet shards

[rocky aurora]

You can keep throwing though

[gaunt gust]

why not? esp a glaive with viral on it, though tbh i don't think anyone is using thrown melees against thrax, you're most likely right about that

[worthy siren]

so the second damage thing isnt an alt fire then what is it?

[undone dust]

i wonder how weird a glaive zaw would be

[rocky aurora]

Because cascaders prefer 1 shotting a thrax

[severe bough]

Can finally get wrathful in helminth lmao

[river palm]

next is styanax

i forgot about that guy

[severe bough]

Lmao forgot about him

[undone dust]

my favorite overguarder

[severe bough]

Some many cool Primes next year

[gaunt gust]

now that i think about it, going something like sporothrix and avenger/Harrow would be preferable to any thrown melee, even in an ads clearing scenario

[river palm]

i'm more excited for prime weapons, perigale and serrofang are so cool but need a little buff

[fierce lark]

sporothrix is an interesting choice

[gaunt gust]

the augment it has is nutty

[river palm]

sporothrix doesn't even need crit to be better

[gaunt gust]

but it does have 3x cd BASE

[old marsh]

Golden Gemussy

[river palm]

yeah but like 5% cc

[gaunt gust]

which is why you go avenger/Harrow

[river palm]

yeah but you don't need it

[fierce lark]

sporo can crit on its own

[fathom sky]

It's also got a smaller explosion so throwing it in a horde would have less enemies affected by the initial hits to spread the Influence.

Like yeah it does more damage for sure, but it's less consistent because of the lack of forced proc.

And personally glaives really don't need that extra damage but that's unrelated to the discussion of comparing Patho vs. Xoris at all

[gaunt gust]

it's free damage, though

[fierce lark]

the insane status chance allows it to max out on puncture stacks very quickly

[river palm]

its not free? it takes an arcane slot or a whole warframe

[median heron]

The hit that procs viral doesnt benefit from it, so you need 2nd explosion to see the diff

[undone dust]

once in awhile im reminded that puncture has an extra perk to it

[gaunt gust]

a whole warframe which is Harrow, mind you

[median heron]

At that point you might as well prime first

[river palm]

also you have to build cd on the gun taking 1-2 mods from it

[gaunt gust]

not necessarily

[river palm]

harrow is nice, but i like weapons that i can use on any frame

[fierce lark]

i played kuva nukor for a long time and encumber with random puncture procs made it semi-functional

[river palm]

oh i can see why that other guy was arguing with you

you're awful to have a conversation with

[undone dust]

LMAO

[gaunt gust]

you can put avenger on any warframe, which is, once again, pretty good +dps

[fierce lark]

speaking of which

i need a max rank encumber for my furis

because apparently that's baller with the elec ms evo

[undone dust]

im encumbering it everywhere

[river palm]

or i can run a arcane that the build needs and just run a no crit build

bro needs to learn about personal preference

[fierce lark]

you don't even need to run a crit build for the sporo to be a crit weapon

just build blast crux

[gaunt gust]

you're bullshitting, everyone knows you'll put Molt Augmented on it

[river palm]

maybe you would, but some people actually have the ability to freely think

[fierce lark]

i dont even think blast cares if you crit, you have giga base dmg for blast procs, over 200% status chance BEFORE crux, and sometimes you'll crit just from puncture

[gaunt gust]

i do think freely, i just choose whatever ties my weapons and warframe together in a synergistic manner

for example, what warframe fits best with Okinas Prime incarnon?

not Harrow, clearly, he thrives on headshots, melees aren't about that

[fierce lark]

the one that can equip it, because it'll kill everything in front of you so who cares

[old marsh]

Hildryn

[undone dust]

nova

[fierce lark]

harrow is perfectly capable of meleeing lol, he still gets crit from covenant and melee attack speed from penance

[gaunt gust]

well it freezes ppl, and there's an arcane that does 2.5x dmg to frozen enemies, while giving you the ability to freeze enemies on roll

clearly that screams Frost + Biting Frost

[river palm]

different people have different playstyles, and you're trying to force yours into other people. ALSO harrow is a great melee frame, melees still get the 50% crit from his 4 and he grants attack speed in his base kit

[fierce lark]

im going to careen my way out of this conversation

[undone dust]

sparring melees and the two warfans that shoot daggers on heavy are so funny him

[fierce lark]

oh wait im gonna lose it

[fathom sky]

With Duviri and EDA/ETA existing, I wish I could bother DE to give a better system to involve dealing with more intricately synergistic loadouts like this so if I happen to roll the lucky combos, but I just can't bother and just work with mroe generic stuff.

[fierce lark]

innodem aimglide waves on harrow LMAO

[undone dust]

i forgot about this, holy shit LMAO

[old marsh]

tbh there r anti melee frames. Nyx and Oraxia r couple of them. u can use them but they get the benefits when using non melee weapons

[fierce lark]

those shits can headshot

[gaunt gust]

Vinquibus

wait nonono

[fierce lark]

natasha

[gaunt gust]

Redeemer

[fierce lark]

i dont actually know if gunblade projectiles can headshot

[gaunt gust]

they can

[fierce lark]

never tried

[gaunt gust]

at least i heard the sound when they did

[undone dust]

redeemer makes me want to use xatas on harrow

[old marsh]

btw cant Gas procs from melee count as headshots? i remember gas procs target weakpoints or something

[fierce lark]

alright now i have this extremely stupid idea to subsume wrathful advance on harrow and go innodem

[mighty flare]

nyx?

[novel bear]

Do breach surge sparks on harrow count?

[undone dust]

yes

[fierce lark]

gas can headshot, as can electric

[gaunt gust]

over what, condemn?

[old marsh]

ye, coz of Nyx's passive

[fierce lark]

thurible

[gaunt gust]

really?

[undone dust]

can condemn still proc ice storm?

[mighty flare]

?

[old marsh]

not that. it was something else. i probably should stop watching yt guides lol

[fierce lark]

it could be condemn bc i dont have time to press that button when im swinging a dagger around

[old marsh]

read up. u will get it

[gaunt gust]

hold up...

[novel bear]

Doesn’t her passive affect melee too?

[gaunt gust]

...ceramic dagger projectiles?

[old marsh]

only prim and second

[undone dust]

he's not necessarily too ability heavy because of his 4 aug and how his 2 works, so it's not a horrible idea

[fierce lark]

i dont think those can headshot, psure ive tried

i know the innodem ones can bc i was doing it on purpose in a conjunction

[gaunt gust]

the 4 aug means you'll miss out on i-frames

[undone dust]

i frames are for NERDS

[fierce lark]

lasting covenant is more a speedrun aug than anything

[mighty flare]

just cuz her passive doesn't buff melees doesn't make her anti melees 😭

[fierce lark]

id rather the recast utility for longer missions

[undone dust]

i run evade harrow so im usually running lasting anyway

[fierce lark]

nah you missed an entire debaucle lol

[novel bear]

She’s definitely not as anti melee as oraxia

[mighty flare]

the gap between that interaction and how oraxia works is so different its not comparable

[gaunt gust]

i-frames are for ppl that survive

[old marsh]

thats why i said that they can use melee but they r better at using non melees.

[mighty flare]

?

[novel bear]

Hildryn is anti melee

And jade

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

now u r getting it

[mighty flare]

jade, hildryn, oraxia are anti-melee cuz they get locked out of it
nyx just doesn't give some crit
thats way different bro

[undone dust]

does hildryn's dash in aegis proc careen?

[novel bear]

Does she need it?

[old marsh]

same. but different. IYKYK

[gaunt gust]

arguably Xaku is anti-melee

[novel bear]

She already cc’s every enemy without overguard

[undone dust]

why not spit in their faces more

[old marsh]

only when u dash close to them. not up in the air

[undone dust]

[gilded tusk]

What’s the best arcane for occuor

[undone dust]

my melee xaku in question:

[mighty flare]

infact she especially likes some melees cuz their stance combos can bypass her usual mobility restrictions from assimilate

like be fr

[old marsh]

crux, mercilessflare, deadhead, irradiate. all r good picks. try whichever u like

[undone dust]

ocucor is a secondary goober

[gaunt gust]

https://tenor.com/view/gremmy-gif-4661430237035647270

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-its-okay-pet-gif-10242949

[fierce lark]

secondary crux when (it's cucumber)

[undone dust]

dont worry twin i have a few grasp builds and general platform builds that subsume off lohk

[old marsh]

oh ye. my b. then irradiate, fort, deadhead and flare

[scenic echo]

I figured it out yall!!!!

Got ahold of a melee vinquibus riven for 200p

Here’s primary

[fierce lark]

oh god

[mighty flare]

plz dont deadhead ocucor

[gaunt gust]

you'd trade 15/s shots scaling off STR for.... whatever you subsume?

[novel bear]

There’s no way a vinquibus riven is worth using right now

[undone dust]

what do i say, i enjoy different

[indigo field]

Yall think I have enough survivability to swap summoners wrath with combat discipline? Im making myself into a battle medic cuz vazarin nidiri staff being able to res in arbitration, archon hunts, and descendia got me feeling the vibe

[scenic echo]

And here’s melee

Melee

[gaunt gust]

i aint gonna lie, big fella, you have a problem

[undone dust]

i have like 12 different xaku builds across 2 xakus rn and i WILL be adding more

[scenic echo]

For me it’s not about the worth, it’s about squeeexing that last lil bit of crit

[undone dust]

everybody that plays this game does

let a cracker have a mental illness

[fierce lark]

you should level up your blood rush instead of shitty rivens if that's the case

[gaunt gust]

more like crackhead

[undone dust]

TRUTH! (i have a health tank xaku)

[gaunt gust]

you have a WHAT???

[scenic echo]

Primary riven - I gotta reroll it some more

[undone dust]

a health tank xaku that actually works LMAO

[old marsh]

think he investing in future. like 7 yrs from now when DE increases dispo to worth slotting in

[fierce lark]

lmfao

[scenic echo]

Melee riven

[fierce lark]

seeing numbers that low on a riven is actually physically upsetting

[gaunt gust]

https://tenor.com/view/delusion-delusional-youre-delusional-get-him-outta-here-leave-gif-23600662

[indigo field]

My main build right now is a masochistic self heal self damage, party heal, Uriel.

[undone dust]

it's not at its full potential rn since vampiric is bugged and doesnt work on vast affected enemies like it should though

[fierce lark]

this riven is literally just worse than gladiator might LMAO

[scenic echo]

It’s got that extra crit chance in there

[fierce lark]

you can't slot things that have 0.5 dispo it just

it doesn't function

[undone dust]

yeah do you know what else gives cc, gladiator might and its passive

[old marsh]

little overkill on str. only need 328 but if it works for u then cool

[gaunt gust]

this is 100% correct, it's negative utility

[scenic echo]

It’s a proof of concept build cause I haven’t forma-ed yet

[indigo field]

Everyone’s focused on the crap vinquibus build so I guess Im good

[scenic echo]

Yeahhhh but not that much crit chance

[fierce lark]

it trades 30% cc for like 70% CD on a weapon running blood rush

[undone dust]

expertise loves higher strength so i assume thats the reasoning behind it

[gaunt gust]

unmaxed blood rush

[scenic echo]

Again it’s proof of concept

Hasn’t been forma-ed so assume all mods will be max by end

[novel bear]

His 2 is plenty survivability

[fierce lark]

it was mostly a joke over the fact that a riven you paid 200p for is worse than a 9 cost uncommon mod that costs like 500 endo

[scenic echo]

I mean it’s about the riven tho

[fierce lark]

weapons that have 0.5 disposition can't really afford to slot rivens unless they're absolute god rolls

[scenic echo]

I got rivens for every weapon I max out

Isn’t about disposition to me

[indigo field]

I know but combat discipline puts more strain on him

[fierce lark]

oh, well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic echo]

It’s about the customizability of the thing

[gaunt gust]

brotherman, a riven is supposed to replace one or more of the mods that you'd put on there if you didn't have the riven, i don't see the vision

[scenic echo]

I mean….riven dispo is always in the shit when it first comes out

The plan is waiting and prepping the riven to fit the build

[fierce lark]

usually we use customizability to make weapons better, not worse

but hey that's up to you, if you think the purple 18 cost mod looks cooler you do you

[scenic echo]

Using the riven can stack with gladiator and organ

[old marsh]

ye but given that its additive to the mods, that extra 29% is much smaller. i personally would get more range so easier time recharging shields.

[spiral chasm]

10 years just to pray for the riven to go above 1.0 dispo is crazy

[indigo field]

Do vinquibus rivens slot in either half of the weapon or are they melee and primary locked?

[old marsh]

7 yrs. trust

[scenic echo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ don’t hate the playa hate the game

[scenic echo]

U need 2 different rivens

One is listed vinquibus (melee)

[fierce lark]

i dont know how often weapons get their riven dispo adjusted, but by the time it happens to the vinquibus, reroll rivens will probably cost like 5p

the weapon isn't exactly amazing

[scenic echo]

See

[gaunt gust]

but you have galv steel, that mod is steel + organ shatter in 1 already, your build has crit, but it doesn't have damage, so the crit is gonna suck either way

[undone dust]

i think it's like a handful every prime access

but it's very minimal buffs

[fierce lark]

prime access is how often, yearly?

[undone dust]

like 3 months

[fierce lark]

or every time a new prime comes out

[indigo field]

lol

[fierce lark]

ive never looked into it lol i dont spend money

[undone dust]

usually theres like 4 new primes a year

so 4 dispo buffs a year

[scenic echo]

But prime pressure point

[fierce lark]

one day the tap will get a dispo buff since the basso replaced it

or one day i'll get a riven for a weapon i actually use, that would also be cool

[gaunt gust]

but Vinquibus has 32% status chance baseline, why wouldn't you go CO? PPP is a flat 165% boost, it's like...

[scenic echo]

It’s only 20% so it would need weeping wounds to really do anything

I could reformat it with co and ww

[fierce lark]

CO is kinda just always better on light builds

weeping wounds is mandatory slot so status application isn’t an issue

[scenic echo]

Also only slash and puncture

So not many statuses to go around

[random stream]

HMM what mod is better here...

[fierce lark]

it only takes 2 to match ppp

you will (hopefully) add elec so that’s 3

any frame buffs/abilities/companion attacks can add more

[scenic echo]

I added toxic with prime fever strike

[gaunt gust]

this is what a riven is supposed to do

[fierce lark]

probably the one that rolled higher numbers lol

[scenic echo]

That’s what a riven CAN do

[random stream]

inded. funny that is all the same tho

[fierce lark]

that would be for an afflictions slam build, which I mean

if you wanna do that by all means

[gaunt gust]

nonono, it replaced galv steel, that's what it's supposed to do

[scenic echo]

I mean if you want that sure

I wanted to add a riven in for the extra crit chance - now it’s at 120% crit

[fierce lark]

this should probably replace CO rather than galv steel

[scenic echo]

That’s fair, I’m prob going for melee duplicate tho rather than an influence build so I might keep toxic just for the damage output

[gaunt gust]

nah, it has 5 statuses, 400% damage potentially from CO

6 if you count the fire from the special attack

[fierce lark]

galv steel adds crit damage, that is multiplicative with everything else you’re adding including the crit from this riven

statuses only matter if the target is alive to receive them

[gaunt gust]

sure, ig if i wanted cd i'd slot galv steel, but i get cd from the companion mod

[fierce lark]

if primed pressure point came with + 160% critical chance, you’d never see condition overload again

[scenic echo]

We didn’t know about the companion tho so how would we have guessed

[gaunt gust]

tenacious bond

though ofc you could argue there's never enough cd

[fierce lark]

probably doesn’t matter either way

[gaunt gust]

carnis is for Xaku, btw

[limber dirge]

question for yall, how do you play Voruna as melee instead of a nuker? It feels a little awkward to keep spamming her stealth.

[torpid compass]

What could I improve for this Ocucor ?

[fierce lark]

nothing

actually

[old marsh]

u can drop PPG.

[fierce lark]

ppg is a pretty bad slot in ocucor iirc

[gaunt gust]

neg projectile speed riven on a beam weapon is mf MASSIVE holy

[fierce lark]

bane/elementalist should prob go there

i am not a believer in this irradiate nonsense

[undone dust]

irradiate is funny but flare and fort just feel nicer

[torpid compass]

Had Encumber, but irradiate feels better, a little just

[gaunt gust]

what do you say about this, then?

[near vortex]

irradiate is secondary influence

[novel bear]

Influence if it was bad

[fierce lark]

yeah except influence needs 1 electricity proc and irradiate needs 10 for every single new enemy

[quartz scaffold]

Anyone know a level cap Volt nuke build?

[old marsh]

u have options. drop PPG for magnetic might or merciless gunfight or ANY status mod

[compact cypress]

what should i change from my valk build?

[gaunt gust]

but... Laetum?

[old marsh]

for ocucor u do want PT

[fierce lark]

range is in the wrong direction tbh

[old marsh]

so either get it from riven or merciless gunfight

[mighty flare]

wheres ur viral

[fierce lark]

you can play no ripline valkyr if you want

but it's way less fun (and probably way less kpm)

[compact cypress]

i have a nourish build that has high range too

[stray junco]

witch do u guys think is better

[fierce lark]

if you're shooting at something with laetum and it has 10 rad stacks before it dies, you've done something horribly wrong with your build

[compact cypress]

yeah its just coz of all the builds people send me never have range built so i tried making one myself

[mighty flare]

thats even worse for irradiate

[old marsh]

u can drop eternal war. u have battery so an insane energy pool. u can keep casting it. u can also drop narrow minded for more range on your 1 and 3.

[fierce lark]

looks better

you don't need a ton of strength on valkyr, it's additive with CO on her claws

[near vortex]

Need to prime rad for topaz shards
Epitaph and call it a day?

[gaunt gust]

normally you'd be right, but consider that you do 2m AOE with Laetum already, and while you're killing 1 guy, another might be getting second hand lung cancer

[fierce lark]

no, nothing lives long enough to get 10 rad stacks

if your laetum is damaging something, they are going to die

[undone dust]

i do love secondhand lung cancer

[fierce lark]

you do not understand how much damage laetum does

[undone dust]

like more than 2 i think

[gaunt gust]

that's... why would you say that when overguard heavy gunners exist?

[compact cypress]

man i love you, first person ive spoke to that likes range valk

what about the claws though? what should be changed if anything

[fierce lark]

heavy gunner eximus die in the same amount of bullets as most things, which is 1 most of the time

[mighty flare]

if ur laetum kills slow enough for 10rad, thats a bad build
if ur trashclear arcane needs external priming, thats a bad arcane

[old marsh]

my riven. couldnt get -proj speed. but this is fine. stopped at 60 rolls

[gaunt gust]

...go back to the simulacrum and test it against lvl 150, i dunno how you're saying this

[fierce lark]

ngl i had infinitely more fun playing with eternal war than without

[near vortex]

Zariman Incarnon fans when Worthy Comradery:

[fierce lark]

only having to worry about roar recast and otherwise flying around the map with ripline is a gameplay experience everyone should have

[old marsh]

thing is. eternal war is a QoL mod. imo it should be an exilus. all it does is allow u to skip recasting it.

[novel bear]

That’s energy economy though

[fierce lark]

maybe? i (and a lot of people tbh) are still willing to give up a mod slot for it so

[old marsh]

i used to use it before the rework. but ever since they reduced the energy drain, i have dropped it

[old marsh]

100%. but before Valkyr had much higher energy drain. its almost half now with her 4. so easier

[fierce lark]

it's not even about the energy or the recast time, it's just one less thing to have to think about

[compact cypress]

changed up my roar build

[old marsh]

and there r plethora of ways to gain back energy. synth deconstruct. seismic bond. and so on

[novel bear]

My point is that since it counts as an energy economy mod they won’t make it exilus

[gaunt gust]

oh, i dunno if anyone tried Galariac Prime, but the passive it has goes stupid hard

[novel bear]

Then again, the ripline mod is exilus

I don’t understand exilus decisions

[old marsh]

aah. my b. u r right. but never say never.

i am hoping one day they just remove the need to use the exilus mods to turn off certain passives like Umbra, zephyr, nezha, etc.

https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923

[near vortex]

What kind of monster would turn off Zephyr passive

[old marsh]

100%. its just cast it once and hold E. thats what most players prefer to do with Valkyr. i bet we gonna have a massive jump in WF stats for this yr (altho partially its gonna be due to free prime from tennocon)

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

[compact cypress]

should i switch out stretch for eternal war?

[fierce lark]

umbral fiber

completely useless

[old marsh]

mine is locked btw. so dont judge me

[fierce lark]

valk prime hits the armor cap for arcane battery at base, and she doesn't need more armor for tanking purposes because she's already immortal

[compact cypress]

fair enough idek why i put it there other than i didnt know whatelse

hows this then

[fierce lark]

let me see what's on mine

arcane energize in the big (almost) 2026

[severe bough]

Just say its a placeholder

[fierce lark]

i would but

i was very deliberate in slotting it lmao

(i dont own preperation)

[severe bough]

I need to do arbi agsin

[fierce lark]

also there's like

nothing that feels like it does anything

[severe bough]

But next meta arbis (A) are only in like 6 7 hours

💀

[fierce lark]

valk actually feels overtuned

[severe bough]

I didnt done a 67 joke on purpose

[severe bough]

Since reworked she is idk cool but i barely play her

[near vortex]

Valkyr passive is severely overtuned imo
It's basically Nidus passive but easier to build and can't hold like 6 gates

[compact cypress]

should i use roar instead of nourish on mine?

[old marsh]

meanwhile Excal

[fierce lark]

i got valkyr for ETA last week, used perita to level her, and yeah

run through entire tileset and hold E and everything dies unconditionally

press 1 if you feel like grouping everything within 25m

[old marsh]

Valkyr is goated for perita. 12 orders in every run. consistently

[severe bough]

And if u die press 1 and chill again

[fierce lark]

probably is better yeah, nourish takes away from influence weighting and doesn't do anything until it actually procs viral, roar is permanent final multiplier which double dips on status and triple dips on influence

[old marsh]

think the only frame better for perita would be Volt

[fierce lark]

not that procs are a problem with ww

[velvet pulsar]

Meanwhile doughty users curse both shock trooper and nourish users

[fierce lark]

titania and uriel are pretty good

[near vortex]

mfw I'm playing Oraxia Sobek and my teammate Rhino has 400% roar snapshot

[compact cypress]

i lowk dont use influence on my claws

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-meme-aew-mjf-mjf-meme-mid-gif-11983703810991326806

[fierce lark]

meh

no way this dude is sending me mjf gifs

what year is this

[severe bough]

2093

[fierce lark]

some ppl do exposure for max raw damage

[compact cypress]

yup ive got eposure on mine

[fierce lark]

valkyr is one rare case where i dont think influence is as necessary

[compact cypress]

with toxin

[fierce lark]

as she can group with ripline and pull everything into melee range

[compact cypress]

haha 67

[severe bough]

Tbf due to ww influence is even possible but its a crime

[velvet pulsar]

Uriel's 4 is my new fav ability

1. Non-LoS damage
2. Can hit object based health
3. High raw damage
4. Can be charged quickly thx to spam 3

[severe bough]

But i got both lmao

[fierce lark]

smile

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[fierce lark]

on the topic of overtuned, brimstone is something else entirely

[compact cypress]

uriel has been the funnest frame ive played in a while

[velvet pulsar]

It's as if Nyx's absorb was spammable and at the cost of shifting all defensive capabilities into offensive ones

Coz absorb is also non-LoS and can hit object based health

Only difference is, his 4 is DoT

[opal vessel]

where do i look to find a valkyr level cap build?

[fierce lark]

you find a normal valkyr build tbh, i dont think anything changes

[severe bough]

Focus on range some str some duration use eternal war play 4 or use her as platformer and subs 4 slasv everything away

Its like the standard valkyr build

Nothing big that changes

[opal vessel]

the range is for skill 1 grouping?

[fierce lark]

nami solo valkyr with subsume over 4

big d energy

[severe bough]

Yep

[severe bough]

I swear platform valkyr is underrated and overhated

[opal vessel]

is armor tanking in level cap with her viable?

[severe bough]

U dont need anything she has her passive

If u hit enough u will not die

[fierce lark]

barely buffed, no priming, no companion

also no viral

[opal vessel]

is that a crit laetum build

[severe bough]

Was about to ask the same

But i guess so

[fierce lark]

ye, overwhelming attrition

enervate laetum

[severe bough]

How is crit laetum even ? Never tried it

[unreal quest]

Whats a good riven for the vadarya prime?

[gaunt gust]

...ok, first of all, what are these crits?

[opal vessel]

i only ever used laetum in circuit lol even with default mods it kills

[fierce lark]

mathematically it's better than non-crit laetum iirc

and it's pretty easy to keep the buff up because status damage ticks can't crit or apply status, so they count

build

[gaunt gust]

second: roar isn't "barely buffed" when you're double dipping on a 2000% fire proc

[fierce lark]

there is no 2000%, im not using that evo

[gaunt gust]

ok, that's my bad, but you get the point

[fierce lark]

a single 50% roar counts as "barely buffed", if you're shooting a gun there's a good chance you have more buffs than that

reminder that i dont have a companion lol

[undone dust]

crit laetum my beloved

[opal vessel]

valkyr heavy attack on 4 is not a slam damage right even if she slams the ground?

same with baruuk

[severe bough]

It shouldnt iirc

[fierce lark]

no

[severe bough]

But i dont have any idea

[astral tinsel]

The AoE is afaik

[opal vessel]

the aoe is slam damage?

i was wondering cause the radius is huge in visual

[gaunt gust]

a single 50% roar is still a maxed out primed faction mod

[fierce lark]

and it's like...the bare minimum of what you should be buffing with if you're using a gun to kill things

[opal vessel]

ok.... so the radial is slam i used slam mods on warframe and it actually increase the radial damage of heavy attack

[gaunt gust]

ig what i saw on the 2000% laetum can't be done with crits, not enough status chance

[wintry olive]

with my current build right now...what can i do for sustain energy on this wrathful advance build...because it suck

[sour bear]

hello! any tips for this oberon build i put together?

[gaunt gust]

this is a 2000% laetum i'm running, and a burst from the incarnon form procs 10 rad pretty consistently

[mighty flare]

fiber --> vitality
drop adaptation, dont need fallout

[fierce lark]

that just sounds like things are living too long

[gaunt gust]

nah, it's pretty much like... maybe 8-10 bullets

multiplied by ms

and then it goes 2000% on a 10 rad proc and everything in a 7 meter radius dies

[nocturne field]

What's better for saryn is it 2 ablity damage on corrosive affected enemys or 2 toxic damage shards

[fierce lark]

1 tau corrosive stack shard rest tox damage shards

[north marlin]

does the brightbonnet nyx assimilatie bug still work or have they patched it out already

[gaunt gust]

Archon Continuity, my beloved

[fierce lark]

archon continuity doesn't do anything on saryn

[graceful cave]

Can I get y’all’s help with a build for my hildryn prime?

[nocturne field]

Ty

[fierce lark]

the only ability that actually applies toxin is the explosive from molt clones

and it's like 1 stack lol

[fierce lark]

you can run +damage to corrosive if you're doing a nuke build

[gaunt gust]

couldn't tell, don't have saryn, but toxin ability damage just triggers that reflex, ig

[fierce lark]

toxic lash is weapon damage

everything else is corrosive/viral

[graceful cave]

I feel like my hildryn isn’t modded that great what do y’all think I should do?

[fierce lark]

i think you should take a vertical picture

im bouta break my neck

[gaunt gust]

...so why are you telling him to run 4 toxic damage archon shards

[old marsh]

1 corrosive stack, 2 tox, 1 cast speed
5th one is flex. Tox/str/parkour/armour/energy

[graceful cave]

Sorry

[fierce lark]

they increase the damage of toxin status effect, which is guaranteed on every shot from toxic lash

[gaunt gust]

oh so it's toxic weapon damage, not just weapon damage, ok

[fierce lark]

the ability adds toxin damage with guaranteed status to your weapon, the archon shard increases toxin status damage

from all sources

[gaunt gust]

from abilities, no?

[old marsh]

Srry sir. We need to see your Hildryn drip first

[fierce lark]

no, from everything

[graceful cave]

My hildryn looks buns 😭

I’m not a fashion framer

🥲

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[gaunt gust]

right, yeah, just toxic dealing more damage

[coral crest]

No, it's for everything. Additive with elementalist mods.

[fierce lark]

needs waaaaay more range

[graceful cave]

What should I replace??

[old marsh]

Nonsense

[graceful cave]

I’m just broke

[old marsh]

Secrets with reach

[graceful cave]

Okay

[fierce lark]

i would probably drop both auger mods for overextended and stretch

[old marsh]

Accord with reach

[graceful cave]

I don’t have extended I haven’t been able to get it from orokin vaults

[fierce lark]

stretch & augur reach then, cunning drift exilus

[opal vessel]

so upon testing valkyr normal heavy attack

i deal 218 on normal heavy attack with valkyr (no 2 slam mod on frame)
i deal 800+ on normal heavy attack with 2 slam mod on frame

[old marsh]

I almost read it as 14k plat

[gaunt gust]

ocucor outburst, good idea or garbage?

[opal vessel]

so having slam mod on valkyr is good???

[old marsh]

Sir. I will have to arrest u for that

[fierce lark]

probably good if you're fine with playing outburst

[old marsh]

It’s more criminal than enervate

[gaunt gust]

well i do have this here bad boi

[graceful cave]

What about balefire?

[gaunt gust]

though it doesn't go 12x, sadly, only 11x

[fierce lark]

that can be fixed with crescendo and like 4 finishers

[gaunt gust]

nah, melee doughty

[old marsh]

U can drop hornet strike given u r using aegis Gale. But if u r killing lvl cap enemies with that then no problem

[gaunt gust]

goes up to 33x cd with weeping wounds

[old marsh]

It’s so broken

[gaunt gust]

on a puncture weapon def

and ceramic dagger is a puncture weapon

[old marsh]

also u can use use that arcane on Hildryn that gives u 300% dmg on secondaries. Think it’s called arcane strike. That also eliminates the need for hornet strike

I have taken her to lvl 4300+. Was pretty comfy.

[gaunt gust]

Hildryn sounds pretty strong

[fierce lark]

what's the relation between the two

aegis gale & hornet that is

[karmic badger]

Hildryn is arguably the easiest nuker rn, like goddamn does she singe my eyeballs out with golden energy colors

[old marsh]

She is one of the few frames that can solo EDA/ETA with ease.

[gaunt gust]

well... with the new augs, even Loki can solo EDA/ETA

[fierce lark]

arcane precision is 300% secondary dmg on headshots

im not tryna aim for heads with balefire

[karmic badger]

Its a goddamn rocket launcher

This is not another Acceltra situation

[old marsh]

Additive. And if u mix in arcane strike, hornet strike becomes even smaller

[gaunt gust]

Loki has an aug that gives him invulnerability for 3s, scaling with DUR, on 3

i think it goes up to 12s with the new arcane

[old marsh]

Loki can mess up anyone EXCEPT Assassination target.

[gaunt gust]

oh that's actually true, didn't think of that one

the tank or the murmur, both are cracked in Elite

[old marsh]

And the reason I say solo is any frame without weapons

Coz we want to use all modifiers except 1 to get all loot boxes

So we need frames with exalted

[gaunt gust]

so you go Hyldrin?

[old marsh]

When I have a bad roll

[gaunt gust]

personally i'd go Valkyr most likely

she can stack her passive regardless of killing or dealing damage

[old marsh]

I need an excuse to use Hildryn. Valkyr is my 4th most used.

[fierce lark]

are you sure it's additive? the stats screen is telling a different story

[gaunt gust]

so unfair that Mesa can't target the bosses

[old marsh]

I think so. I remember it when we got the augment.

[fierce lark]

modded strength is increasing the initial dmg, and hornet strike is multiplying off of the modded dmg

so unless it's something specific with aegis gale idk

[old marsh]

Weird. I remember aegis gale’s burst shots being additive

[old marsh]

Oh. U checking Baelfire numbers. I am referring to aegis gale’s numbers

[novel bear]

Wiki says the shield bonus damage is before mods

[old marsh]

It’s a burst shot that does 15% shield dmg

[fierce lark]

i thought aegis gale used balefire's dmg and added shield dmg

[old marsh]

I remember testing long ago in sim. So plz correct if I am wrong

[fierce lark]

is there a faster way to get to sim than going to the relay every time

[novel bear]

No

[old marsh]

It does but I think the per shot dmg is calculated differently

[novel bear]

Damage testing is a pain, and I have a lot of respect for whoever does all the condition overload testing

[tardy lily]

In your ship go to the syndicates menu n select the cepelone it will tp you right in the place you need

[old marsh]

either way. I would recommend trying out arcane strike. U can proc it very easily.

Extra 300% dmg is nice

[novel bear]

I thought strike was the melee attack speed one

[old marsh]

plz forgive me. It’s almost 1 am.

[karmic badger]

if you think about it, a Debilitate build with a Radiation mod lets you have 2 damage status effects in a single slot, thus making room for more stuff

[old marsh]

The arcane that gives 300% dmg to secondaries. Can’t recall the name

[novel bear]

There’s too many eidolon arcanes

They all blur together

[old marsh]

Like u need to get 1 headshot and it stays with u

Found it. Arcane Precision

https://tenor.com/view/roll-over-gif-5721510543785152669

[fierce lark]

without hornet strike, 1046

with, 3347

you can see 214% expertise in the corner showing i have 314% ability strength

[gaunt gust]

does cordon work with duplex bond?

[fierce lark]

math checks out too

[old marsh]

Aah. Thanks. And apologies for that. I definitely remember it being additive. But alas, I was wrong

[fierce lark]

ngl i thought it was too

[old marsh]

Try arcane precision

u gonna love it

[gaunt gust]

fellas

does cordon work with duplex bond?

[quiet laurel]

read duplex bond rly quick

[gaunt gust]

or not duplex, the other one

ex

manifold!

for some reason i think of them as duplex and multiplex

[quiet laurel]

yes

[gaunt gust]

is that a 100%? cuz i dunno i was testing it in the simulacrum, and it didn't seem like the status applied when nautilus moved ppl

[quiet laurel]

oh yeah it doesnt apply the status

thought thats obvious lmao

but the cooldown gets reduced

[gaunt gust]

well, spare parts def works

what else works regarding the status application from weapons?

[fierce lark]

now i have to slot anemic agility screech

[gaunt gust]

i don't think vicious bond works either

[fierce lark]

vicious bond is melee attacks

[gaunt gust]

and what does that imply

[fierce lark]

it implies melee attacks

ie not guns

im pretty sure the only sentinel who can even melee is helios

[gaunt gust]

and what does that have to do with what i'm asking

[fierce lark]

tbh nothing

but vicious bond has nothing to do with status effects from weapons

[quiet laurel]

well you made the assumption that vicious bond doesnt work, and he explained why

[gaunt gust]

hahahaha...ok, so why does spare parts work?

[fierce lark]

why wouldn't it?

[gaunt gust]

well i dunno, if it wasn't in the 2 first slots, it wouldn't work, would it?