builds-discussion

[versed patrol]

my burston riv is close to groll i got imp cc cd 40 rerolls

[ember crag]

i dont have a lot of frames nor newer mods just have a few and incarn for it

[fierce lark]

that’s not actually bad, just take it off for infested missions, slot it over critical delay/galv scope

[ember crag]

that is a ss of a ss i took yesterday as im currently not ingame right now

[proud anchor]

Clones will only deal 20% of a melees damage and can't detonate glaives

[ember crag]

mirage is my main toon nothing complex

[foggy jolt]

does parkour velocity change how fast Hyldrin moves in her 4?

[proud anchor]

No but molt does

[oak coyote]

So use no bounce glaive and the clone augment.

[proud anchor]

Wait actually it should help her dash further

[coral crest]

It's affected by normal movement speed buffs

Dodges are affected by velocity yeah

[proud anchor]

Yes and id consider using total eclipse as well to increase the damage of the clones even more

[versed patrol]

i subsumed molt over hildryns 3

[oak coyote]

Oh that’s a given. What about replacing the trap ability with roar?

[oak coyote]

Same. Might do a 2nd config of the shield recovery for team to use in defense missions

[proud anchor]

That can work well

[mighty flare]

eclipse & roar dont stack on same frame

[limber mirage]

Do you think adding a reputation affinity booster that increases it from 25k to 35-40k would be a good idea?

[icy nacelle]

Apparently, Arcane Ice storm works with Harrows 1. Currently, I am working on getting my Harrow Molt augmented. Would it be worth while to pick up Icestorm (I already plan on spamming my 1 thanks to tribunal)

[coral crest]

You mean standing?

[limber mirage]

yeah

[coral crest]

Oh well, it scales with your mastery rank

[limber mirage]

yeah but im new player and Neckralisk reputation take sooo long too max it up i can do only 25k per day tht sh*t

[fierce lark]

eh, i wouldn't run either tbh

[icy nacelle]

Oh?

[fierce lark]

ive been running molt aug + molt eff, but once i have it i think im swapping augmented out for concentration

very easy to trigger arcane concentration on harrow, press 1 before any ability and get a free 60% duration

[icy nacelle]

🤔

I'll take note of that

[proud anchor]

Oh yeah you're right. Frames can only have one damage buffing ability at a time (mostly)

[icy nacelle]

-# oh crap, now that I have nidri, I actually need to mod my operator

[coral crest]

It's just Saryn and (partially)Rhino who got the privilege

[fierce lark]

ice storm is better than molt efficiency though assuming you can maintain combat

(and assuming it never gets patched because it's 100% an unintended mechanic)

[proud anchor]

Excalibur too with the javelin augment

[coral crest]

Oh true

Basically old warframe privilege

[fierce lark]

can rhino subsume eclipse/xata's over things that aren't roar?

[coral crest]

No

I think it had some weird exception

But I can't remember which one, I might straight up be wrong

[fierce lark]

his privilege is he already has roar so who cares lmao

[coral crest]

Yeah his privilege is unnerfed roar lol

[fierce lark]

+154% faction damage buff is very funny

uhhhh

dante's tome is a secondary right?

[coral crest]

It is

[fierce lark]

i dont have dante but

[coral crest]

The summoned books also take mods

[fierce lark]

if i did

[coral crest]

But deals like half dmg

[coral crest]

Grll

[fierce lark]

i had 200% primary crit chance temple last week

that was a very fun week

right on old peace launch too

apparently this is burston jade week for me

[ornate echo]

hey guys I had a lot of fun chatting in here yesterday

for a pathocyst riven god roll, what stats should I look for?

[fierce lark]

i highly recommend against rolling a patho riven

and adversary weapon rivens in general, they all have pathetic disposition

[ornate echo]

yeah im aware im making a bad decision

please support me anyways

[icy nacelle]

60% amp multishot is better than no multishot, correct?

I'm skimming through my limited tauron mods and figuring out what to run lol

[fierce lark]

are you doing 12x bounce or heavy explosion spam

[ornate echo]

throw build!

[fierce lark]

yes, multishot > no multishot

[fierce lark]

there are two throw builds, one just holds E and the other actually detonates the glaive mid-air with alt fire

[ornate echo]

big boom middle mouse button

[rocky aurora]

More multishot = more damage potential, so yes

[ornate echo]

ppl rlly dont explode glaives? they just hold e?

[little hinge]

Anyone got a good Temple build for SP?

[rocky aurora]

Glaive explosions is where all the damage is

[ornate echo]

right?

[rocky aurora]

1 charged explosion will wipe out a group, meanwhile a charged throw is potentially tickling them

[versed patrol]

Any ideas on how I can make this better

[fierce lark]

there are 12x combo variations for every glaive build, they can do more large scale aoe but explosion builds are generally better

[ornate echo]

fascinating I had no idea

[fierce lark]

basically

it's just as good against very large groups, but much worse at lower target counts, but it's "easier" to play/less tedious as you just hold E

[icy nacelle]

Rad, I'm running a basic 222 amp so more chances to proc damage against an eidolons kneecap is good for me

-# I really should build another amp

[fierce lark]

anyway

if you really want to throw away your kuva, IC/DMG/CC/CD/Elec are probably all good to keep

[ornate echo]

thanks!

is ic initial combo?

is it really that important for a glaive?

I love learning about this stuff

[fierce lark]

yes

[coral crest]

Throwing them without explosions and using melee combos is not exactly useful for minmaxing their effectiveness

So initial combo helps scale the explosion

[neat harbor]

@hearty scarab doesnt inaros 3 get oneshot at some point so ill be casting it 24/7

[hearty scarab]

No

[coral crest]

Persistence exists now, right?

[hearty scarab]

Unless you are standing in a nullifer

Or magnetic proc

Or silence

[neat harbor]

am i not immune to magnetic anyway

[hearty scarab]

Yes you are 😭

[neat harbor]

lol

so casting 3 wont be done every 5 secs if enemy level is too high

[hearty scarab]

no.

[neat harbor]

thx ur so hot

[hearty scarab]

It’s like Mesmer skin it can’t decay more than once every second or two iirc

And only decays by 5%

[fierce lark]

combo is a base multiplier of all your damage, higher = bigger multiplier

since heavy builds start off at 5x, getting at least +20 initial combo from a riven is a flat +16.67% damage increase at max combo from one stat

[neat harbor]

ahhh thats what the 5% is for alr ive been wondering

nice thy

[fierce lark]

heavy attack efficiency might be good too? im not sure if it interacts the same way as it does for heavy spam melees, but it essentially functions as an attack speed mod for them, since initial combo still takes time to recharge

ima throw focus energy on my patho and see if it does anything

[hushed harbor]

do the lightning bolts from Vadarya P proc status effects like Blast

[hearty scarab]

Use focus radon if you don’t want combined elements

And yes HaE is usually good

If you can make space for em

[hearty scarab]

Yes

[hushed harbor]

noice

ty

[hearty scarab]

Does not loop anymore though

[hushed harbor]

that's whatever, i just wanna know if i can do big AoE with it

[fierce lark]

i dont think heff does anything for glaives

with the windup time

[hearty scarab]

It does

Just not worth it

Most you’ll use is reflex

[fierce lark]

(galv reflex gives you enough)

like im well past full IC before i can throw again

[lavish lily]

weird question but
is gyre's Reverse Motor augment (not sure the name in english ) supposed to work with auras?
i use the -10hp per kill aura on gyre for avenger but it's causing the 35% damage back to trigger on myself because of it and i'm lightning striking myself

[hushed harbor]

is there a way to get ur panzer to prime radiation with viral quills

[rocky aurora]

No

[ornate echo]

I wrote this down

[spiral chasm]

any kill u do will cause u to take 10 dmg

doesnt matter how

[ornate echo]

ill see if heavy attack efficiency affects glaive throws but afaik it does

[rocky aurora]

The explosion is the heavy attack

[ornate echo]

yeah!

so it should

prolly

[rocky aurora]

But you only need 5x to scale to cap, so hae is unneeded

[fierce lark]

it does, but the 50% you get from galv reflex is enough to fully refill between heavies

so adding more isn't useful

[rocky aurora]

Even if it was 0% hae it would still be fine

[ornate echo]

hmm...

hae?

heavy attack efficiency?

[rocky aurora]

Haevy attack efficiency

[ornate echo]

ah i see ty

[lavish lily]

yes the problem is i'm taking 13 point of damage because of my forth doing 35% damage back to the source, being myself

[rocky aurora]

Most melee dont use it anymore anyway because tennokai gives free heavy attacks

[ornate echo]

oh lmao should I grind tennokai mods? I havent touched them

[fierce lark]

initial combo does still take time to recharge, and hae reduces the time it takes, it's not doing nothing

it's especially noticeable on cdagger

[ornate echo]

oh?

[rocky aurora]

Ceramic dagger is the king of IC, basically perpetually at 10-12x without crescendo

[rocky aurora]

Yes

[fierce lark]

unless im wrong and it's only a visual thing, the combo counter still takes time to tick up from 0 to whatever your initial combo is

and yes, if you use any light-attack based melee, you should get discipline's merit

[rocky aurora]

No, youre right. Its not only visual

[ornate echo]

which ones specifically would u recommend to get first?

[spiral chasm]

nah it takes alot of time to come back to 12x

hae i huge for heavy spam

can confirm as a slammer

[rocky aurora]

Can't remember the names. There's 1 that guaranteed a tennokai every 4 attacks, I recommend that one

[ornate echo]

okay bet!

[spiral chasm]

the 2 gold ones are what u want

[lavish lily]

which also i'm critting on myself and doing 20+ damage per kill sometimes

[spiral chasm]

one has more concistency and one has more dmg

[rocky aurora]

The one I referenced is one of them

[fierce lark]

yeah i played a lot of magistar before slams were nerfed and it was very noticeable. but the magistar also goes up to 8x i think

so it's more relevant on melee incarnons that have higher IC

[rocky aurora]

Slams weren't nerfed

[ornate echo]

disciplines merit

[spiral chasm]

they were

[fierce lark]

the radius on slam scales with distance

[rocky aurora]

Nope

Thats not a nerf

[fierce lark]

yes it is

[spiral chasm]

nira mods are no longer multiplicative to the slam mod

[rocky aurora]

Just jump higher, its not a nerf

[fierce lark]

that too

it is a nerf, jumping higher takes time

[spiral chasm]

the multiplicative dmg is a nerf

[ornate echo]

it's a nerf to the definition sorry

[rocky aurora]

Use parkour velocity, then?

[ornate echo]

parkour velocity is fun

but would that make slamming more efficient?

[rocky aurora]

Technically yes, a nerf. Practically, not a nerf

[ornate echo]

I can see that

[fierce lark]

they're both nerfs, one was a damage nerf and the other was essentially a speed nerf since you have to spend time jumping to get distance, you can't just instantly slam roll slam anymore

[rocky aurora]

More efficient = heavy slam every .1 seconds?

Slam radius was buffed idek what youre saying

[spiral chasm]

it caps at 90%

[rocky aurora]

Magistar slam radius goes up to around 30m now

[spiral chasm]

u have to jump fairly high to get that range

[rocky aurora]

And everything in 30m is deleted

[spiral chasm]

and the LOS nerf also affects aoe

[ornate echo]

is slam builds still meta?

[rocky aurora]

Yea

[fierce lark]

no

[ornate echo]

after all this time

[spiral chasm]

slam is still OP tho

[ornate echo]

oh?

[rocky aurora]

Influence was better even before slam changes

But slam is still overly used

In lvl cap cascades I almost only see slam spamming still

[spiral chasm]

cuz its so easy to use

[near vortex]

slam is still strong

just have to jump now

[rocky aurora]

They're just jumping higher and spamming with 3x the radius

[ornate echo]

haha im trying to prepare my arsenal for lvl cap cascades

[rocky aurora]

Which is why Im saying its not a nerf lol

They're overkilling lvl cap enemies by billions of damage with 3x the slam radius

[ornate echo]

ill try out a slam build. magistar?

[spiral chasm]

u do less dmg overall? that is a nerf

[rocky aurora]

Magistar is the go-to, yes

[rocky aurora]

.

[ornate echo]

kk bet

[spiral chasm]

samptotes is also an option

[rocky aurora]

Thats a buff

[ornate echo]

uh what mods are essential to a slam build on the magistar btw?

ill write it down (ive been taking intensive notes)

[spiral chasm]

2 nira mods on ur frame

[rocky aurora]

Slam damage, hae, galv steel, 2 nira mods on frame, crit damage

[ornate echo]

https://tenor.com/view/k-on-anime-yui-writing-fast-gif-12341032268415124252

[rocky aurora]

Crescendo to stack to 12x combo

[spiral chasm]

purple shards on frame for melee CD if u want

[ornate echo]

okay bet we'll cook

[spiral chasm]

for non long missions/non level cap u can run exposure instead

[ornate echo]

ill become the space hokage dattebayo

[spiral chasm]

mod for pure toxin so u can 1 tap shielded enemies

[rocky aurora]

Level cap is long mission 🤔

[spiral chasm]

oh i meant non level cap

[ornate echo]

in general or just for cascade?

[rocky aurora]

Everything

[spiral chasm]

toxin is best element

you get corrosive dmg for grineer with exposure

[rocky aurora]

Shouldn't matter anyway becauee you'll be overkilling by multiple millions

[ornate echo]

ooo okay

how are tombfingers in the meta?

[rocky aurora]

🤮

[ornate echo]

oh that bad? haha

mine is a knockoff jinx gun so ive grown attached to it

[rocky aurora]

Thats just kitguns in general

[fierce lark]

primary tombfinger was meta a long time ago iirc, also ate a nerf

[ornate echo]

hehe I got it when it was meta

but if it stinks let me know, what else should I consider? i see a lot of ppl using ocuccor

sentient surge

[near vortex]

furis

[fierce lark]

really anything with the word "incarnon" in front of it

[ornate echo]

lol okay thats fair

[rocky aurora]

Furis inc is the single best status damage single target in the game afaik

[ornate echo]

tenet arca plasmor is what im working on getting rn cuz I have a riven

[ornate echo]

wow okay bet!

[rocky aurora]

Ocucor for large groups with sentient surge mod

[fierce lark]

tap riven is unlikely to be slottable

[rocky aurora]

Or just any decent melee with Influence slapped on

[fierce lark]

like all tenet/kuva/coda weapons, terrible disposition

[ornate echo]

I like to make bad decisions in games so I dont make them irl

[gritty hound]

How much energy do you need to get the max bonus from primary overcharge?

[rocky aurora]

1000

[fierce lark]

1k

[rocky aurora]

35% of 1000 is 350

[fierce lark]

qorvex peeks his head in

[gritty hound]

Damn
Was thinking about replacing shotgun vendetta with it but 1000 is a big ask

[fierce lark]

it's only realistically possible with arcane battery

but then you have to have enough energy to actually use abilities assuming your abilities do anything

[rocky aurora]

It's not that good anyway. You have to be 90% or above to have any bonus from the arcane. So unless you want to sit at full energy for a whole mission, dont use it

Would be cooler if it scaled with your current energy instead of only at 90%+

[ornate echo]

you guys are so smart

cephalons

[rocky aurora]

Nah it just comes with playing the game for a while

I still don't know like 80% of what's happening in the game lmao

[ornate echo]

ive played since 2017

[fierce lark]

you could maybe use it on chroma, with umbral fiber + intensify he sits at just over 1k armor, with 1200 energy total you could keep up nourish and vex armor

[ornate echo]

but on and off so idk much so I appreciate everyone's insights

[rocky aurora]

I always recommend using the wiki and simulacrum to double check advice you get

Can't count how many times in-game performance was absolutely shit after testing advice

[fierce lark]

huh, even with galv reflex, if you spam heavy glaive explosions you're only hitting 4x most of the time

wild

[ornate echo]

oh?

on pathocyst?

[fierce lark]

yeah

[ornate echo]

what does that mean exactly?

less dmg?

[rocky aurora]

Yes, 4x heavy attack will do less damage than 5x

[atomic talon]

hey nukor users. how does irriadiate fare against enervate

[dire flint]

What’s a good melee exalted frame?

[midnight horizon]

I bet it's really good considering you can use other sources of flat crit to replace enervate

[midnight horizon]

There's a lot ngl

[atomic talon]

would you count Khora? Venari and whip are pretty nice

[ornate echo]

hmm... I wonder why it does less damage

I really wanna min max my pathocyst, I like it

[rocky aurora]

This is why 4x does less than 5x

[lucid cipher]

Anyone got any vinquibus builds

[cosmic nexus]

keep lavan or replace with zetki

[rocky aurora]

Well theres a primary and a melee build

[foggy kindle]

does roar affect uriel's brimstone?

[wild rune]

yes, and double dips the resulting heat procs

[finite fern]

Could someone perhaps have a good kullervo build

[foggy kindle]

magnificent, thanks

[ornate echo]

I see

[west grove]

is it viable to build Zephyr for just range and duration?

[quiet laurel]

that is what you usually do

[maiden oracle]

Made a new build with the new mods, how's this looking?

[crisp merlin]

Think it would be worth keeping him at 100 or so then? I'm using the grimoire to support it but still. Also two things: does bulwark really affect your damage or just the primary? And which arcane do you run as your melee?

Caster Lavos is fun when you're sliding everywhere lol

[fierce lark]

the jade subsume is i assume roar over 1 lol

[pure idol]

What Wisp build are y'all running post-update?

[versed inlet]

How should I build Umbra?

Should I focus on strength only, or something else?

I'm not removing the Umbral mods ofc lol

[midnight horizon]

Have an Arcane Molt Vigor for sale, maxed out

And wtb "arcane hotshot r5" and "arcane energize r5"

[ornate echo]

so what are the best aura mods rn?

just in general what would players appreciate?

in squads

and is mecha empowered troll?

and if i equip archon continuity and use ivara, would her 4 be considered an ability and trigger it?

thank u

[near vortex]

is Mecha Empowered troll 🥀

[ornate echo]

IM RUSTY

i come HUMBLY

[near vortex]

Nah it's probably one of the stronger aura mods in the game, especially if you do the whole set

[ornate echo]

o rlly

[near vortex]

Mecha Set and Contagious Bond is a ridiculously good chain nuke

Deadass hit damage cap with my Kubrow

[ornate echo]

o:

[near vortex]

I've never hit damage cap myself, just my Kubrow

[ornate echo]

is it only good with kubrow or can u use kavat or hound dog?

or even helminth chargers?

[rocky aurora]

Looks decent.

[near vortex]

You have to use a Kubrow or Predasite because others can't equip Mecha Recharge and Mecha Overdrive

[rocky aurora]

Except for the arcane, but 🤷‍♂️

[ornate echo]

hmm... i see...

ill go grab a predasite

see how that does

[rocky aurora]

Every frame with an exalted as an ability can proc archon mods

[near vortex]

Sunika and Huras Kubrows are both really really crazy

[ornate echo]

o:

that gives me a lot more options

[near vortex]

Paris Incarnon makes a really funny statstick

[ornate echo]

nice!

[maiden oracle]

Don't have any others for it right now so

[ornate echo]

wonder which archon mod would be best for ivara

[rocky aurora]

I would recommend using a different frame

[ornate echo]

ivara looks cool

[rocky aurora]

Unless youre beast hunting, then by all means use ivara

[ornate echo]

so i wanna use her

maybe de will rework her soon...

[near vortex]

Ivara's pretty cool

[rocky aurora]

I doubt it lol

[ornate echo]

right?

[near vortex]

Viral elec on Artemis bow

[ornate echo]

let me cope okay...

[near vortex]

Spectral Serration

[rocky aurora]

I use her exclusively for beast hunting, her sleep arrow allows for perfect captures every time

[ornate echo]

ya i like spectral serration

[rocky aurora]

You'd want a faction mod instead

[ornate echo]

yeah that's all i used her for too but i wanna try making her fit into my main warframes rotation

[rocky aurora]

Especially if youre going status damage build

[near vortex]

I took her to ETA and did copious amounts of damage until tank when you can't silence archguns

[rocky aurora]

Btw if you have a robot companion equipped like Wyrm, you can shoot your invisibility arrow on it to allow you to move around while inside the invisibility bubble

Ivara tech

[ornate echo]

o:

i had no idea u could do that!

[rocky aurora]

Takes some practice, but it's doable

[ornate echo]

but why bother when u can turn invisible lol

[brittle sleet]

Quiver invisibility can be put onto other frames and also is broken under different conditions than Prowl

[ornate echo]

o:

[fierce lark]

growing power, corrosive projection, brief respite, ready steel, mecha empowered

summoner's wrath and combat discipline are probably worth a more an honorable mention, fairly niche

steel charge also worth a mention as it's randomly just more mod capacity than other auras, so you can use it to save forma for a melee frame if you want (additive melee damage is kinda stinky but w/e)

[daring storm]

Would a health tanking caliban be possible/sp viable?

[sacred nexus]

does overGUARD have its own shield gate or is it part of shields?

[fierce lark]

overshield is part of your shield pool

overguard has its own 0.5s gate

[obtuse locust]

hey gamers, does any one know any good arcanes for the Hespar?

or just what arcanes are good for scythe?

[fierce lark]

hespar is a melee weapon right

[fathom sky]

You just use generic Melee Influence slop for it. It is not a good weapon.

[fierce lark]

you took my joke dammit

[cloud pine]

Anyone got a good weapon platformer Gyre build?

[spiral solstice]

Does blast radius do anything for Jades Glory?

[fierce lark]

yes

only the primary fire though

i don't know for sure if it's additive or multiplicative with her range

fulmination seems to be rarely used so im guessing it's additive

the base radius is only 2m anyway

[spiral solstice]

Ahh ok, I have fulmination on but it didn’t feel like it was doing much compared to if I put it on a primary. Other than that I’m not sure what other radius mod I could use with her

[queen canopy]

So last night I max ranked Vauban from 0 in order to finally get to the next Mastery Rank.

I feel bad for not trying him sooner cause he is actually quite fun. But he sure is more delicate than a cheap napkin. Is a there a way to really up his health beyond the standard health armor mods?

I know he'll never be a near immortal like my favs Valkyr or Prime Titania. But right now even with generic health and armor mods he drops to the floor more than a vase near a cat.

Any advice is appreciated.

[fierce lark]

mod range on the frame, jade normally builds pretty high range anyway

[novel fjord]

heat sword or nikana?

[fathom sky]

Both awful, make both for the Mastery Rank

[fierce lark]

probably heat sword

presuming you're still early star-chart and choosing a weapon to get by

innate heat is good for dot

[fathom sky]

It only does Heat on slam

[fierce lark]

why the hell is it called a heat sword if the attacks don't apply heat

slam spam with forced heat procs is probably a good way to kill things anyway

hard to maintain combo without naramon or some combo duration

[fierce lark]

there's the universal solution of health conversion + arcane blessing which gives a chunk of flat health and flat armor when you pick up health orbs, but vauban himself has no innate survivability in his stats or his kit, have to either force it or shield gate

what he has is a shitton of crowd control

[spiral solstice]

Try adding Volcanic Edge to your build it’ll give it an extra heat damage boost I don’t think it’s one of those end game mods and is easy to obtain

[fathom sky]

Sister they're asking if Heat Sword is good, they barely started the game lol

[fierce lark]

wonder what the first actual good weapon you can get is

[queen canopy]

Thank you!

[fierce lark]

probably xoris

[bitter plaza]

i dont like using racism mods so i dont quite know what to put on instead.

[fierce lark]

lasting sting

[bitter plaza]

already got it on

[fierce lark]

holy im blind

[bitter plaza]

haha all good

[fierce lark]

killing blow

[bitter plaza]

thats what i was thinking but wasnt sure

[fierce lark]

you do lose a very significant portion of damage not running racist mods though

especially if you're missing roar

[rocky aurora]

Condition overload in place of ppp and Unironically a faction mod is perfect for the last slot

🤷‍♂️

[fierce lark]

CO doesn't work with harmony does it?

[bitter plaza]

i hate using racism mods

i threw on ppp because im not priming

im using it for general use on any frame

atleast thats the goal

[fierce lark]

CO is normally good even without primers because you'll apply statuses in 1-2 hits and it overtakes

but harmony doesn't apply statuses so it's not helpful

[rocky aurora]

CO works on everything, it's bugged on certain weapons to apply multiplicative bonuses on specific weapons

It should be additive on everything

[fierce lark]

when i say doesn't work on harmony, im referring to the fact that harmony doesn't apply statuses

if they're external priming then sure

[rocky aurora]

I havent used harmony so I wasnt aware it's incapable of applying status effects

Is it the only weapon in the game that doesnt apply status effects?

I see sc 30% and 2 status

[bitter plaza]

is it because of the trait?

[fierce lark]

you know what expedite suffering is right?

[jovial sorrel]

tryna make voruna into a nuke y’all got any mod suggestions besides her augment?

[rocky aurora]

The helminth ability?

[fierce lark]

yeah

harmony does that with all statuses, more or less

eats them all to do the damage instantly

that's why lasting sting is slotted

[fierce lark]

thats also why no elemental mod is slotted

you focus purely on base & status damage to try and make the biggest slash dot possible

because scythe heavy attacks force a slash proc

also forces lifted which is why afflictions is there

[bitter plaza]

i learned about the harmony like 3 days ago and quickly grinded for it and now ive been running it 24/7 :D

[fierce lark]

as far as boring heavy spam weapons go

harmony is probably the least boring

[bitter plaza]

1 shotting acolytes with no preparation

[fierce lark]

just because of the sheer reach of numbers you can get

and yeah it doesn't care about the status cap on acolytes or bosses because it's 1 single massive slash dot getting expedited

try it on kullervo with roar and violet crit shards for some extremely funny red numbers

also sac steel is better than galv steel, if you have both maxed

[bitter plaza]

i subsumed kullervo so id need to get him again TT

i do

[fierce lark]

that is typically true for all heavy spam builds where you're slotting amalgam organ shatter anyway

since galv steel stacks the crit damage and the extra crit chance from sac steel is further doubled on heavy attacks

galv steel is much better on high combo builds that run blood rush, regardless of how much other crit damage you have, because BR by itself gives 440% cc significantly amplifying all sources of cd

[midnight horizon]

Hey yall im before heart of deimos so underleveled ofc but is there anything I can get thats better to increase my damage against corpus in disruption with this build?

[fierce lark]

buuuuuut the difference between the two isn’t usually huge even at baseline and galvanized is much easier to slot

[bitter plaza]

i didnt think of that. and with how i usually use it, i never get killed to use the secondary crit damage effect.

[fierce lark]

nono

galv mods on-kill means when YOU get kills

[bitter plaza]

yeah

i usually only use it for tanky enemies as a 1 time thing

[fierce lark]

oh I see

eh you kinda still wanna prime it ahead of time either way

cause galv reflex is a 5x damage multiplier on its own

once it’s stacked

[ornate echo]

best arcane for pathocyst?

[fierce lark]

checks notes

pathocyst

weapon type - melee

[ornate echo]

melee animosity?

[fierce lark]

smile

influence, same as just about anything else

the valence element should also be electric

[rocky aurora]

Toxin+corpus faction mod, unfortunately not much else to pick from at your stage of the game

I would like to see what other mods you have, though

[ornate echo]

my valence is cold haha

[rocky aurora]

Modding IPS (Impact, Puncture, slash) mods are usually the worst thing to do

[fierce lark]

mod blast electric until you can switch it

[midnight horizon]

Can I dm you it? It'll take multiple photos

[kind mica]

hii, im building ember up and saw if i put roar on her it double dips, but does that mean i should be pressing my 3 before priming because of the heat inherit?

[fierce lark]

60/60 heat cold mods and shocking touch

[rocky aurora]

Thats fine

[fierce lark]

other way around

[kind mica]

i see, but that means i need a faction mod on my primer right?

[fierce lark]

"heat inherit" means that when you apply heat to something, all further heat applications will inherit any damage modifiers from the first stack

[rocky aurora]

I would recommend using an elemental vice to switch your valence to electric lmao

[fierce lark]

heat inherit primers need a faction mod and en elementalist mod, yes

[ornate echo]

hahaha in due time

[kind mica]

i seee, and is a nukor good?

[fierce lark]

elemental vice requires the weapon be level 40, but yeahg

[kind mica]

im trying to make my first level cap build

[rocky aurora]

Kuva nukor is one of the best secondaries in the game

[fierce lark]

as a heat primer? absolutely

unfortunately

it'll probably kill whatever you're trying to prime before you can actually press any abilities lol

[rocky aurora]

Facts

And furis exists 🤷‍♂️

[kind mica]

yeah but thats fine anyway, i just wanna reach lvl 10k

yeah but i need to wait for the rotation and furis incarnon is 5 weeks away

so i need an alternative which i assumed nukor would be amazing anyway if i slap heat onto it

[fierce lark]

if you want to get to levelcap on ember just do the normal thing

subsume roar over 2/4 and just use that + fireball frenzy to do ludirous amounts of heat status dmg to everything on screen

[kind mica]

2 is better cuz 4 spreads heat anyway right?

and keeps heat procs on for longer aswell

irrelevant of duration

but then i assume i need to be rolling around with rolling guard alot

[fierce lark]

i would say 4 is only useful if you're running exothermic, but i don't actually remember if there's another way to apply heat status for hotshot

[kind mica]

whats hotshot?

[fierce lark]

an arcane that you probably don't have so i wouldn't worry about it

[kind mica]

shoot what

since when is that even a thing

[midnight horizon]

I sent it ☺️

[kind mica]

so i prime with my secondary and destroy with my primary or melee?

ill probably farm it cuz it looks like it can be useful in alot of status builds tbh

[fierce lark]

temporal archimedea

a max rank one is over 500p, mostly because you can only buy 1 copy of it per week and sometimes get them as a reward from ETA

[kind mica]

yeesh damn

[fierce lark]

and because it's incredibly strong on uriel who just came out

[kind mica]

do i need the augment on my 1?

[fierce lark]

yes

the 3 augment is also really good, gives you overguard when you cast it

[kind mica]

yeah thats necessary i just forgot the one for 1

[fierce lark]

or rather, it heals you, and converts excess into overguard

[kind mica]

fureball frenzy thats what its called

i dont need duriation right?

[fierce lark]

i have about 180

[kind mica]

what really?

what scales off it?

[fierce lark]

you're running 2 buffs, duration is nice

[kind mica]

ohhh ofc roar

[fierce lark]

fireball frenzy + roar

[kind mica]

i have this rn

umbral intensify is there cuz i already put an umbral forma on there without realising it wasnt that important

[fierce lark]

archon vitality isn't really useful

[kind mica]

ive been using overframe and looking at mid builds💔

really??

i mean ik vitality isnt important but 2 heat procs

[fierce lark]

most of your damage and heat procs are coming from your gun

[kind mica]

rolling guard instead then?

[fierce lark]

transient fortitude

[kind mica]

in the last mod slot?

[fierce lark]

over archon vitality

or just in the last slot and put rolling guard over vitality, that's fine

[kind mica]

is my duration not too low?

[fierce lark]

duration doesn't actually matter, it's more personal preference what you're comfortable with

high duration is nice if you're not giving anything up for it

[kind mica]

i seee, what if i build my nukor for 100+ status and fire so i dont need fireball frenzy

[fierce lark]

you can also run blind rage instead of transient if you're comfortable with 45% efficiency

fireball frenzy is the most important mod on that screen

[kind mica]

i feel like im gonna die if i do that, where do i even get energy from

pure equilibrium?

[fierce lark]

synth deconstruct equilibrium

it does require you be killing a lot

[kind mica]

ohhh i see thats useful

yeah ofc

[fierce lark]

but again if you're more comfortable running transient and keeping the efficiency in exchange for some strength/range, that's fine

everything you shoot is gonna vaporize regardless

oh one thing

arcane hotshot does not go well with the nukor

[kind mica]

ill keep transient fortitude and if im just getting a ton of energy ill swap for blind rage and i think also cunning drift for power drift cuz i have my passive anyway

oh yeah youre right but i was just going to run plasmor or something for my damage

or like a melee

gram prime

are melees still better than primaries?

[fierce lark]

whatever works, just know that enervate secondaries get almost no benefit from hotshot

eh

[kind mica]

which secondaries dont benefit from hotshot?

[fierce lark]

the ones that use enervate

pretty much anything with low crit chance but usable crit damage

kuva nukor, coda pox, coda catabolyst

[kind mica]

ohhh, tbh when the furis comes into rotation thats what im gonna be getting anyway

im just using nukor in the 5 weeks its gonna take for it to come back

should i slap cascadia flare onto it aswell? or is that diminishing returns

[fierce lark]

on the furis? that's typically what is used

[kind mica]

on the nukor

[fierce lark]

oh

enervate

[kind mica]

i seee, okay okay i think i got it, the build for ember is sorted, companion needs synth deconstruct, nukor with viral and heat and then a high crit tenet plasmor

[kind mica]

this is what i got but im gonna get galvanised diffusion and the arcane ofc

is prime heated charge that important?

[fierce lark]

if you don't have it you don't have it, not the biggest deal ever

it is a lot of heat damage, but thankfully you're playing ember so you're more or less adding a +200% heat mod

from frenzy

[kind mica]

gonna swap out gunslinger for target cracker and that should be good, i think thats a level cap build right there

thankyou for all your help, i really appreciate it

helping me on my journey to understanding modding

[fierce lark]

swap sure shot for hornet strike

and honestly get galvanized shot before you get galvanized diffusion

[kind mica]

does damage increase really affect it that much

[fierce lark]

yes

you need some source of base damage, because that's what every other damage source calculates off of

target cracker over gunslinger, hornet strike over sure shot, and pistol elementalist over one of the heat mods (if you have it)

[kind mica]

ive put in target cracker and elementalist, im going to get the galvanised mods now

[fierce lark]

for context, galv shot is +120% damage at max stacks, per status on the target

nukor unloads statuses like you've never seen, so you'll have that basically equal to cascadia flare in half a second, if the target isn't already dead

on top of the free 80% status chance

[kind mica]

when you put it like that it makes alot of sense

[hushed harbor]

how do y'all typically armor strip with Gyre?

[lost hull]

You could use the new rolling arcane and her zoop ball

[sinful bone]

what valence do ya want on the Coda Pox?

[zenith ridge]

So I'm currently running very high ability strength Roathe and it works perfectly fine but I think I saw someone suggest go all in on range cause Roathe needs very little ability strength to be a menace. Is smaller brimstone with all the strength good or gigantic brimstone with less strength?

[fierce lark]

magnetic

if you’re doing a blast enervate build you can take heat/cold and free up a slot for damage/faction/ele

[fierce lark]

very high range and moderately high duration both go pretty well, 139% is a pretty common strength amount i see

[blissful thistle]

anyone have a good Boar Prime build using Primary Debilitate?

[midnight horizon]

I wonder if Arcane Expertise + Parasitic Armor has any merit to it.

[midnight horizon]

You could probably run Blast + Electric on it.

[blissful thistle]

why blast elec?

[fierce lark]

debilitate does basically nothing with blast

once they hit 10 stacks, the next proc blows up the stack and it starts back at 0, you get 1 proc every 10 blast applications, may as well not exist

[hot furnace]

so, funny thing

I still don't understand how effect stacking on Galvanized mods and Arcanes works

Galv Chamber gives 30% multishot for 20 seconds and stacks up to five times

I've heard mixed answers for how stacking works

does the stacking apply to the multishot, or the duration?

[fierce lark]

the multishot

[hot furnace]

so it goes to 150% multishot, then 120% when it goes down a atack, and so on

[fierce lark]

im pretty sure galvanized mods lose all their stacks at once but im not 100%

either way it's not a hard ask to kill an enemy every 20 seconds, sometimes there's downtime but if you got there once you can get there again

according to wiki, at least for galv chamber, it does actually lose only 1 stack at a time

[hot furnace]

I mean, I do have some "MR fodder" weapons that I loke and have kitted out pretty well despite having a slow ramp up for effect stacking

[fierce lark]

oh galv scope is the weird one

arcanes are inconsistent, some like blight/frostbite lose all their stacks at once, then others such as merciless/deadhead only lose 1 stack at a time

[midnight horizon]

It's probably balance. Proccing a status is much easier than kill/headshot.

[fierce lark]

perhaps

the scope thing makes no sense though

[hearty nexus]

When should I go corrosive over viral?

[hard dove]

When have nourish subsumed go corro
When gun have lots of status go viral + heat/elec
When gun have bad status but good base dmg and crit corro

This is a case by case status tho what weapon?

[hearty nexus]

Regulators prime, Felarx, Kuva Nukor

Burston incarnon

[fierce lark]

also depends on what faction you're facing

[hearty nexus]

Ain’t it only worth going corro agaisnt grineer?

[undone dust]

eh, honestly elemental weaknesses dont matter all that much because everything dies insanely quickly with a good build anyway

[hearty nexus]

Why am I doing so much dmg with viral and these sp enemies?

[fierce lark]

because regulators are extremely high dps and viral is an op status

[undone dust]

xatas on mesa is definitely something

[fierce lark]

viral is always better than corrosive, there is no execption to this (except deimos infested where they're immune to viral status)

[hearty nexus]

I literally just subsumed it I been rolling with eclipse so long I wanted to try something new :/

[fierce lark]

the only time you'd mod corrosive over viral is if you can't subsume roar for some reason, in which case you subsume nourish instead, get viral from that and then mod corroheat usually

or if you want nourish anyway for the energy + damage

[hearty nexus]

I don’t have nourish I heard Grendal is a pain to farm

Or was it gauss?

[fierce lark]

grendel is an inconvenient farm, but his subsume is the 1st/2nd most widely used in the entire game

it's well worth getting

[lavish orbit]

The basic mesa build is nourish + corrosive/heat on her regulator with a corrosive archon shard to get full armor strip

[hearty nexus]

I thought Gloom and Roar was. Interesting

[fierce lark]

that doesn't sound right, no target on the planet is going to live long enough to reach 10 corrosive stacks from regulators

roar is the other 1st/2nd most common subsume, gloom im pretty sure is very dated

[hearty nexus]

So always go viral unless I’m fighting deimos and corpus? Gotcha

And archons

[fierce lark]

viral heat is still better against narmer and archons than pure toxin, i would imagine

faction bonus is 1.5x, one stack of viral is 2x and 4 stacks of it on the archon is 2.75x

[lavish orbit]

Well, that has been tested before by a japanese ytb, it wasn't even a matter of seconds but slightly less, like 0.2s faster than other builds to kill, it doesn't sounds right but this was minmaxing lol

[hushed harbor]

viral quills also procs whichever damage u modded onto claws

so u can take archon stretch on anything if u have Shocking Claws

can't decide which gun i like the most on Gyre

it's between Cedo, Vadarya, and Alternox

leaning towards Vadarya

[fierce lark]

if you're killing things fast, panzer can barely keep up

[hushed harbor]

mine keeps up pretty fine, i also sometimes intentionally don't wipe everything out immediately so that it has a chance to spread

[fierce lark]

that's just slower than putting viral on your gun and holding m1 for 0.2 seconds

[hushed harbor]

okay but that doesn't put 7k damage viral procs all over ur screen and give u dopamine

those quills are also healing with hunter recovery

vulpaphyla can also use martyr symbiosis

[fierce lark]

what's he shooting though? like i dont see any level of target surviving long enough to get to the point where a corro shard actually does anything

[hushed harbor]

i never subsume roar or nourish on anything because i don't like the noise they make

[fierce lark]

each individual shot has about a 34% chance of triggering corrosive, so you're firing like 30 shots on avg before you even hit 10 corrosive stacks on something

what's surviving that many shots, and then taking enough beyond that to where 1-3 extra corrosive stacks beats the 5th topaz

[hushed harbor]

btw what are my options for stripping armor as a Gyre who doesn't want to subsume over any abilities

i'd rather not use a secondary primer but that's probably my only option lol

[novel bear]

Vicious bond

Helios is really good at using it

[hushed harbor]

oh true

if Viral Quills proc your claws elemental damage does that mean quills also proc vicious bond?

[mighty flare]

yes

[hushed harbor]

dope

just swapped out radon claws for magnetic

[lavish orbit]

That was some kuva grineer iirc lvl1k

That was last year i discovered it tho

[fierce lark]

well, mesa has gained hotshot since last year

which is a lot of damage

[lavish orbit]

Ik

[fast cairn]

Other than maxing crepescular (i'm working on it but RNGsus is spiteful), is there any way to make this build much better for Temporal Archimedia? Running 3 Strength, 1 Range, and 1 Starting energy shard

[rocky aurora]

Isn't that Octavia?

[fast cairn]

Yeah

[rocky aurora]

You could go in with 0 mods and still be fine

Octavia in a nutshell

[fast cairn]

I've been having issues with not getting enough damage out the door, and the randoms are only exacerbating the issues

[rocky aurora]

And the best mesa build I've used thus far is pure toxin w/ archon continuity for corrosive. Kills level cap just fine

And nourish, obv

[rocky aurora]

Octavia is a scaling ability damage frame, so if you want massive upfront damage immediately, youll need to rely on your weapons

[fast cairn]

Okay, then do you have a suggestion for a replacement/upgrade to a Coda Bassocyst? It's not cutting it even if it is fun to use

[old marsh]

Drop Narrow Minded. Use Umbral Intensify. Drop power drift and use cunning drift/prepration
drop energize and use aegis.

Use yellow shard for casting speed. And u r good to go

[rocky aurora]

Aegis is redundant, youre invisible and your abilities take aggro

[old marsh]

Ye. It’s an insurance policy when u r out of invis.

[rocky aurora]

I would agree to go more strength if they had a damage buff subsume, but I dont see one

You should never be out if invis

[old marsh]

[rocky aurora]

Thats what the spam crouch is for

[old marsh]

That’s the idea. Hence the term “insurance”

[rocky aurora]

• they have an augur mod, just ise a skill to get shield back

[fast cairn]

I'm swapping Energise for Molt Augmented then I guess, strength from that should help and I'll just rely on passive and zenurik for energy

[rocky aurora]

Personally id swap out augur reach for rolling guard 🤷‍♂️

[old marsh]

Ye. Sound choice

I do wish that arcane buffs like augmented would stack across our ETA/EDA run

If u r having issue with duration can always use Molt efficiency

I think the new arcane also triggers it

Forgot the name

[rocky aurora]

Ye

Ive completed eda and eta with a 0 forma octavia with no issues, this Octavia should be carrying the team ngl

[old marsh]

And if u r at 164% or higher STR, u can subsume pillage. Making it a dual cast armor strip. Or Terrify (forgot how much u need it for armor strip)

[fast cairn]

Duration is solid so far, get about a minute before I need to do my casting routine and 80s between amps

Debating the merits of subsuming Roar over Resonator as well

[mellow nimbus]

Which is the best predasite / vulpa to get?

[mighty flare]

panzer vulpa then sly
pharoah predasite

[fast cairn]

nevermind I'm an idiot you can't do that anyway

[crisp pine]

for arcane persistance would gloom be good enough to heal 500/s?

[mighty flare]

yea

[crisp pine]

I need to smooth out some edge cases of garuda going down. any advice or alternative defense layering?

I was thinking of arane persistence but dipping into the same pool as where my defense is a bit ill advised from my point of view

[mighty flare]

garuda can run invis pets with no worry cuz her ball kills aco now
you dont need high strength on garuda, 134% the minimum
if ur doing persistence, needs arcane blessing

[crisp pine]

Ball?

[grizzled mantle]

WHY WON'T THIS HEAT/VIRAL? QnQ

all I can figure out it gas/cold and blast/toxin

[crisp pine]

Switch the order. It goes left to right up to down

Mixture priorizes that order.

[grizzled mantle]

one would think

[crisp pine]

Switch heated charge and frostbite.

[grizzled mantle]

can't. default mod polarities and no forma

[crisp pine]

I meant frostbite, sorry. Also put a single forma. It just makrs it easier.

so you can switch the polarities

[fickle tusk]

Is it worth it to slot archon Vitality onto Jade?

[crisp pine]

You have frostbite and prestilience fist then yout heated mods.

[hushed harbor]

hai i'm playing around with a Gyre P + Vadarya P build and i'm wondering what i can do to deal even more damage, i'm already breezing through steel path but i want to hit big numbers (builds are still WIP i need more forma)

[crisp pine]

Kind of. You can mod glory with heat. The problem with jade is her glory's rate of fire

[fickle tusk]

how is its performace with Jade's Judgement

[mighty flare]

dread mirror

[mighty flare]

for glory? no
for the augment? sure

[crisp pine]

Where is survability part? Or is it glass?

[hushed harbor]

don't need survivability when everything is cc'd

and if i do die i can just insta revive myself with last gasp and madurai

[fickle tusk]

oo thank you :D

[hushed harbor]

just realized i dont have vital sense on vadarya kek

[crisp pine]

Typically i try to build my frames to sort handle really high levels of sp so that what i usually notice. CC could allow you get away with signficiantly less. Could run like brief respite and cat shields if you feel like it.

[hushed harbor]

i am fine on the survivability side of things

even in level 1k+ cascade

i typically kill things before they kill me

or if i get heat procced or something i switch to drifter

[mighty flare]

gyre has lots of crowd control, its fine

technically you can just run vaz now on everyone even in cascade

[crisp pine]

It is frame that i kind of do not know much as i do not play it.

[lavish orbit]

She has a group with her 2nd and basically the rest or her kit is electric damage (and so convulsing cc type)

[ashen crow]

THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT MELEE DOUGHTY RIVEN IF IT WASNT FOR THAT DARN NEGATIVE STATUS 😭 im crying

[sand badger]

What is ||Roathe|| weak to, what does he resist, in Descendia 21?

(my burston prime melts Perdita bosses but fizzles vs Descendia boss)

[ashen crow]

hes an orokin so im guessing weak to puncture and viral

resist rad

(im guessing)

[sand badger]

yeah im just struggling to guess how hed work cuz its like

Orokin
But it's warframe now so might use warframe defenses instead

etc

[ashen crow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hushed harbor]

big damage :>

honestly, when in doubt, multishot

[lavish orbit]

Weak to ecology and democracy

[sand badger]

T_T

[lavish orbit]

I would say corrosive cuse his health is orange tho

[sand badger]

will try ty

[mighty flare]

whats ur burston setup?

[sand badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1394349554131796143/1451490415919501346/image.png?ex=69465d4a&is=69450bca&hm=b3a43f1fd0a6484a9ec91a2ed46483800f6660c42440ec48d9bb646a7c3f89f5&

riven is CC/CD

[hushed harbor]

magnetic?

Roathe doesn't have Shields

not meaningful shields at least

[mighty flare]

vigil armaments --> vital sense
point strike --> critical delay (does it break new crit tier?)
crux --> deadhead

instead of magnetic swap to viral

[sand badger]

will try tyvm

[elfin gate]

Do yall have any torid build for a new sp player?

[heavy kernel]

Any thoughts on what ability to subsume (if at all) on Gyre???? Used to Subsume her 2 away but with the new augment she doesnt have that much probs on survivability now

[latent adder]

swap galv aptitude for serration, put vital sense and fire rate mod

i wouldnt bother with blast either

[latent adder]

nourish or roar on 2

[lavish orbit]

Things fun that both are good for either way of building her 😂

[old marsh]

U wanna keep 3 & 4.
1&2 r flex. Just subsume whichever ball u don’t like. Small ball or big ball

[hushed harbor]

yeah lmao i p much did all this without being told

[old marsh]

And if u r going for the 3-4 combo, I would also suggest using Primary overcharge on your weapons if u use primed flow. She will never have to cast again. So u get lots of MS

[hushed harbor]

this is what i have now

jus need more forma

[half gale]

I'm a casual player and never really took the time to learn modding, this is what I've got on frost

[old marsh]

this is fine for normal star chart. but when u get to steel path, u wanna use his augments. specifically Icy Avalanche. your team will love you. u strip enemy armor and everyone gets overguard.

u can drop trans fort and overentended. and instead use a duration mod and augur reach. upto u

[hearty nexus]

Does field of view matter that much?

[mighty pelican]

not too much if you have no issue recasting it over and over to reset the FOV getting smaller per kill

not ideal but also not too bad if you can work around it

[fierce lark]

nope, pretty normal to run narrow minded and no +range of any kind

[sacred nexus]

for companion weapons, is it worth building fire rate? I'm using vulcax and a dethcube prime. I'm thinking if I should replace it with a bane mod instead.

[clear inlet]

GUys which one is better?

Here are the normal stats for the komorex btw

[mighty flare]

neither are good

[clear inlet]

Okay then I don't have to worry which one I pick

[flint gulch]

I know its not forma'd yet but is this the right direction to run her 3 and 4 together

[lavish orbit]

Somehow

You just need range and strength then survivability

[mellow palm]

Should i go sacrifical set with bloodrush or gladiator mod, galvanized steel with bloodrush for sancti magistar for funny red crit? I use melee crescendo for it btw

[flint gulch]

Should I focus more on range or strength first cause my 3 isn't really killing like I've seen others

[fierce lark]

always galvanized if you're doing 12x blood rush

[mellow palm]

I will try both then, to see which will reach to red crit !! lmao

[fierce lark]

sacrificial will reach higher tiers of cc

if your only goal is more ! then sacrificial is the obvious choice

[proud kestrel]

what elements do i mod for on a sobek for a saryn and oraxia(both has nourish)?

[fierce lark]

saryn should have roar with viral, oraxia you can do gas or corrosive, doesn't really matter (corrosive lets you use primed charged shell), use 2 tox mods + bane + elementalist

[mellow palm]

Or slap a magistar riven, that may take some time

[lavish orbit]

If you can do a both 200% its the must I would say, putting Roar or Nourish (viral) on your 2nd will help dealing damage, running and priming with like Epitaph can also help a bit, but basically just archon stretch with a ton of steength is ok

[fierce lark]

toxin dmg shards & elementalist mods double dip the spreading toxin dot, faction dmg (cleanse mods & roar) triple dip

[icy light]

I forgot! Build chat! I am building Vinquibus in the foundry rn. Wait... no I guess my original wuestion is moot, I answered it while typing this; "Does Vinquibus require two Orokin Potatoes". It doesn't does it? Cause either way they're both weapons.

I just gotta have the uh... Catalyst right?

Actually, lmk; how does it handle? From the Old Peace quest it felt like a prrcision-type rifle. Focus on Crit rather than status.

[half gale]

Just realised I forgot to say thank you, so thank you

[flint gulch]

I run a panzer vulp for viral so I might take roar

[lavish orbit]

Sure

[fervent rapids]

Yep. Headshot kills give melee damage, melee kills give ammo efficiency

[old marsh]

nah. i only accept payments in deluxe skins.

[icy light]

Does it have a particularly small magazine size then? Woulllld Primary Crux be efficient for it?

[flint gulch]

It's a pretty good weapon it only takes one potato and the formas count for both aswell

[fervent rapids]

8 base magazine

[icy light]

Oh god

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[fervent rapids]

the ammo efficiency sucks tho cause it means you hear the M1000 reload ping less

[flint gulch]

Get more melee kills

[icy light]

So a +50% magazine is like. 12.

[fervent rapids]

woooosh

[icy light]

There a cap on the ammo efficiency?

[fervent rapids]

there is, but it can reach 100% afaik

[icy light]

I'm assuming Crux is going to stack with its built in ammo efficiency rewards. But I will see how it plays.

[flint gulch]

Yea my bad im at work not really paying attention

Alot of people coming into the emergency room that shouldn't be

[fervent rapids]

well its built-in ammo efficiency makes Crux kinda redundant

[mighty flare]

vinquibius gets 100% ammo efficiency so no point in crux
deadhead or dexterity are better

[icy light]

Gonna try and figure out alternative arcanes then. Not like I'm starving on primary arcanes since I figured out the recycling economy with arcanes and vosfor

[flint gulch]

I use merciless on mine with a blast build

And its pretty decent have a bit of multishot on It aswell

[icy light]

Does it have decent status or nah?

[lone current]

Yes

[icy light]

I'm about to just rush the thing cause I got all the parts finished now.... after this interception alert

[fervent rapids]

IIRC. 20% base status chance

40% base crit chance

both modes share those stats

[flint gulch]

I'm getting pretty decent status with 60/60s

And then going for crit shots are almost always yellow or red

[fervent rapids]

Acuity might even be worth looking into for it

[lone current]

Hello everyone

[fierce lark]

if you don't have merciless/deadhead/dexterity, they're probably the cheapest arcanes in the entire game

like actually 20p for a full ranked one

[feral sundial]

best archon shard for mesa?

[lavish orbit]

If you want red number, all into orange with secondary crit over kill with heat status :3

[feral sundial]

thank you yet again keiko

[icy light]

Hmn. There is a stance mod that dropped for Vinquibus with this update right? I aint tripping?

[coral crest]

Yes

Harrowing Spire

It drops in descendia

[ebon path]

Is this Atlas modding decent? Or do I have to work more on it?

[blissful bone]

am i the only one who feels like archon intensify is so inconsistent

[icy light]

The healing/str mod?

You have to take Health Damage to have it proc.

[coral crest]

You need to heal hp with an ability so yeah

[icy light]

Trinity is very consistent for it.

[coral crest]

Only direct ability heals count iirc

[icy light]

Trinity. Uh... I think Uriel counts if you take Health dmg?

[coral crest]

Yeah

Combat discipline also works, Hema as well (unless you're Hildryn)

Or anyone with arcane persistence

[blissful bone]

ah because i am using it on uriel

but there are often times where it doesn't work but ig i need to be hit atleast once

[icy light]

Might be. But yeah, use Combat Diwcipline if you want it to be on-demand consistent for someone like Uriel.

ik you can't die from combat discipline. It's coded like Garuda's Bloodletting, you stop at 2 health. Just make sure you don't get your shields cracked by then

Which shouldn't be too hard on Uriel. He surprisingly has a high Overshields count.

[hoary roost]

is uriel just bad for shield gate? i am getting obliterated

[coral crest]

He has a dedicated button with iframes and can fly to avoid fire

He's good at it

[hoary roost]

guess i suck at it then. first time trying it, just got catalyzing shields and augur message on

[coral crest]

His heal scales with max hp partially so archon vitality is a must oh him

You don't need Catalyzing shields if a frame has good shield restore tools

His heal with a bit of str and archon vitality gives him full shield

[hoary roost]

was not aware of archon vitality, grabbing that.

[blissful bone]

i use archon vitality, it is great on him

[coral crest]

And since he got 666 shields by default, his gate is larger than what Catalyzing shields might give

2 heals you fully, flows into overshields in used at shield break

And it has iframes

[hoary roost]

just really used to passive dr builds like baruuk and nova, this is an adjustment

[coral crest]

Super easy gate

[hoary roost]

adaptation then?

[coral crest]

And if you're not at endurance runs

[hoary roost]

or nah since shield

[coral crest]

You just heal up?

You don't really need any sort of dr

You have a dedicated "I'm at full hp and shield" button

[blissful bone]

actually archon in. works really well with your three since your second also heals them

[coral crest]

Yes!

[cursive hedge]

Currently these are mods im using for each thing
Any recommendations on how to make it better

[blissful bone]

i was just being stupid with it

[coral crest]

It's consistent for Uriel because healing demons works to proc intensify

[blissful bone]

yeah i was just stupid

thanks for the help!

[crisp merlin]

I realized too late that I wasn't using lingering transmutation properly 🤦🏿‍♂️ I didn't notice that I could spam Lavos' 4 with it constantly ticking

[coral crest]

Yeah it keeps cd reduction per enemy inside

Very nice opportunity cost, since cooldown doesn't tick down in lingering form

[crisp merlin]

The only thing that sucks is getting a good amount of enemies inside...but I suppose that's what range is for

[coral crest]

You can always press 3 again to recall it and put it in normal cd

So you wouldn't "waste" it

[crisp merlin]

And to reposition just in case? 🤔

[coral crest]

Ehh

If it runs out of duration, it becomes stationary and flies back to the origin point

Pressing 3 before duration runs out puts it into the origin point immediately

Pressing 3 in the stationary mode just removes it and puts it on cd

To not waste the stationary mode you can recall it

[crisp merlin]

Ahh I see, I see. Damn it, I need to find these things out when I'm NOT at work 😂. I appreciate the info. How do you feel about applying ice to transmutation orb and double up on heat for his 4?

I'm considering consistent combos to do and what to adjust to for different factions

I'm considering switching out umbral vitality for archon vitality to add to the heat

[spiral chasm]

As a beginner and trying to understand mod decisions. You can check out ninjase builds on overframe. And adapt from there with the current mods you have

[proud kestrel]

Rebound falcor + dagath with 3rd ability augment = happy

[fierce lark]

i was told uriel gets archon intensify from healing his demons

[coral crest]

That's true

As of one of the recent hotfixes

[hoary roost]

does that effect stack?

[fierce lark]

archon intensify doesn't stack, it's just 30% strength that's doubled for a duration when you successfully heal hp

[cursive hedge]

Yeah I don't do much damage to steel path or arbitration

[fierce lark]

but i mean umbral intensify is 44% so archon is extremely strong if you have consistent healing

(growing power + umbral is 69% so it's not worth doing combat discipline stuff to make it work)

[coral crest]

And a consistent way to take damage

[fierce lark]

i need to pick up all these robot mods

[golden drift]

The crit number is funny, is negative status worth it on burston, like can I build around it for it to still be good ?

[wintry olive]

guys i want to ask is this bug or what...i using diriga as my primer,then i use atlas and the arcane on exlated is melee exposure right but my melee weapon that i bring is coda pathocyst with melee influence...i dont know is it bug or what somehow landslide trigger melee influence

[spiral chasm]

Yeah arbi drones are tough. Just read the guides fully and slowly but surely mods will make sense

[proud anchor]

Are you sure melee influence is triggering? Landslide does have a big damahe radius

[wintry olive]

yeah i pause my game and saw that melee influence trigger buff but how it trigger because i use melee exposure

[wintry olive]

also my friend also saw the melee influence trigger since i share the stream to him

[proud anchor]

Could be a bug then. Were you also testing in the simulacrum? That place can be a bit buggy itself

[wintry olive]

i try on simularcrum it not work...that why i confuse because i saw the white number damage because i know it mean melee influence when i hit on necramech

[long path]

any ideas how to do it better? I always have energy problems

[solar dust]

any suggestions for balefire? im not sure if i care about the 60:60 mods over just more damage as the status chance is low anyway, plus merciless and hornet strike together is kinda redundant

[cursive hedge]

?

[old marsh]

r u using aegis gale augment?

[solar dust]

yeah

[old marsh]

then u can skip on anemic agility. and u can drop the 60/60 mods for more space. throw in magnetic might and target cracker for extra crit dmg. u want to use secondary enervate to use those crit dmg mods. one last slot u can keep it flex for whatever u want

this is what i use. serves me well.

u can drop isotope for whatever u want.

[proud anchor]

If you can, i would look into getting secondary enervate to up your damage even more

[proud kestrel]

Does arcane strike activate on damage to over guard?

[oak coyote]

If I helminth over one of lavos’s abilities can I still imbue that spot’s element?

[fervent rapids]

nope

[oak coyote]

Dang so I lose that element?

[proud kestrel]

Yes

[oak coyote]

That sucks. I’d love to use roar with him

[old marsh]

U lose 4 elements that way. 1 primary and 3 secondary

[pseudo tiger]

hello , did someone have good build for uirel?

[weary elbow]

Opinions on this Oberon build? I don't have yet Smite Infusion

[fierce lark]

yep, any and all damage you deal with melee

[lavish orbit]

That what I use with persistance + concentration, fun to play

[hollow mantle]

Heyo, does anyone have a Jat Kittag build that performs well on SP?

[proud anchor]

Yes

[mighty flare]

looks good, smite infusion isn't recommended, instead phoenix renewal
do you plan on nuking with smite? or just general stuff

[fierce lark]

question

the shade build im looking at doesn't run assault mode (or any mode), so it begs the question - what does assault mode actually do? just increase aggro range?

[weary elbow]

I assume the Smite one is for damage and the Phoenix one is for more support?

[fervent rapids]

it makes the Sentinel attack enemies

Precept mods change how companions behave

no attacking precept mod = companion does not attack

[fierce lark]

huh

so a shade with this build won't actually attack anything?

but presumably the copies from duplex bond will?

[brittle sleet]

Correct, and without breaking Ghost's invisibility too

[mighty flare]

yes, keep in mind that the buff from smite isn't very valuable
so oberon either runes no augments, or just pheonix

[fierce lark]

do the copies also inherit bond mods?

[weary elbow]

i see, they build exactly the same them?

The build I found from Oberon was with the smite infusion and the roar from rhino

[mighty flare]

yeah, most oberon builds all follow similar build path of high strength/range then duration

[mighty flare]

smite infusion implies weapon platform, but even caster oberon likes roar to help smite nuking

[weary elbow]

to be honest, i don't know what I want xD. I just want a build to perform well. I was thinking about famring the Cedo prime for it

im having issues dealing with the 40-50 enemies already and I need something to keep progressig. I left the weapon with the Tiberon Prime on my hand and I find out it don't perform well nowadays

[dire zenith]

what are good acolyte killers for the secondary or melee slot?

[fierce lark]

laetum, lex prime incarnon, magistar incarnon, harmony

[mighty flare]

do watcha ever you want in the other slots

[fierce lark]

there are stories out there of the funny space deagle 1tapping acolytes, can't validate for myself

can validate that magistar slam 1shots any level acolyte

[weary elbow]

this is a support build then?

I think maybe I need to find some good weapon to level up, put formas and make a good build before investing more in warframes :/

[mighty flare]

Just general thing going off ur screenshot, you can add more range

and yeah, oberon depends on weapons for all builds, can't avoid that

[weary elbow]

not oberon in specific, but myself in general. I have literally no good weapon

[mighty flare]

what do you have rn? care to share a screenshot

[weary elbow]

Down there is the Zenith too. The Oberon build I checked was from a guy called Blank in youtube btw

[deep grotto]

Why the hell does it have so many slots

[fierce lark]

companions have 10 slots

[deep grotto]

Why don’t i remember this-
Maybe it’s just in a different format than i remember

[fervent rapids]

in-game it's two rows of five slots

[mighty flare]

best primary: Nataruk, Ax-52 (with augment), Ignis Wraith
secondary: Furis (if incarnon), Pyrana Prime
melee: Rumblejack

[weary elbow]

isn't the Phantasma or Arca Plasmor good?

[mighty flare]

they both have upgraded versions that you're better off farming for than investing in them

[weary elbow]

I know the overframe tier list is voted by people registered there, but should I take it as some inspiration? I'm kinda lost on the weapons and all the meta currently, other than multishot and status effects are what people use

[mighty flare]

sure

[fierce lark]

i go to overframe as a reference sometimes for recommending weapons, pretty much everything in the top tier are good weapons

[weary elbow]

then it's pick your poison I guess. I know that some weapons are better than others depends on the warframe and those that are "platform weapons" or those that primer weapons and such (that i'm still too noob to recognize).

[coral crest]

Overframe tier list makes me sad

[weary elbow]

Maybe I will farm Cedo Prime at lets see

[coral crest]

Boar and Strun are in the bottom tier

[fierce lark]

base guns yeah? im pretty sure strun prime is top tier

[coral crest]

Yeah, but they still have incarnon access

[fierce lark]

yeah but im sure they're judged without the incarnon, as you'd be pretty dumb to use your incarnon adapter on them

[coral crest]

Judged?

[weary elbow]

talking about incarnon, what are they are? Cuz I really can't understand even after checking the wiki

[coral crest]

Nobody is judging anything. It's a community vote that doesn't care for when the vote was thrown

Nokko and Uriel keep getting high placements

Because of that votes say that Uriel is top3 warframe in the game

[fervent rapids]

weapons that transform and change how they work, gaining special buffs in doing so