builds-discussion

[coral crest]

not to mention ability dmg being more affected by roar

[blissful verge]

Yes.

[fierce lark]

melee swings kill in 1 hit most of the time anyways so i don't actually think viral is helping at all

[blissful verge]

In fact.

And the influencer won't even apply 10 viral stacks to the enemies.

[fierce lark]

1 stack is still 2x damage but yeah

[blissful verge]

Roar the king.

[coral crest]

i hate roar

it can ROT in a DITCH

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[lavish orbit]

Just use a primer tho

[blissful verge]

Roal also increase companion Damage.

[coral crest]

the only thing roar doesnt do is make you happy

[lavish orbit]

Viral can be applied by anything

[blissful verge]

Even more so if you use the companion as a primer.

[blissful verge]

Diriga King.

[lavish orbit]

Diriga, Panzer, Epitaph, Bubonico, ...

[fierce lark]

roar makes me pretty happy

[blissful verge]

Can someone send me a build for Uriel at the level cap? I don't want to focus on survivability or durability; I know that at the level cap it's one hit and I die, but still.

[lavish orbit]

Persistance

[blissful verge]

Yes, But the mechanics of having to switch weapons to get a primary is quite annoying.

[fierce lark]

yeah uriel actually can just abuse persistence since he runs a max rank vitality anyways and can press 3 to heal if he ever gets low

[blissful verge]

Yes, but its have the TTK.

Idk If duration are the Enough.

More calculated damage helps.

[fierce lark]

i meant 2 to heal

3 does not heal dont try that

[mighty flare]

persistence bit of a waste on uriel, he doesnt really care too much about survivability

[lavish orbit]

I run persistance and concentration on him has arcanes, 160% duration makes his ult last 15s iirc, fun to watch

[blissful verge]

I need to find a way to know how much damage per tick it will take to roast the enemies at the level cap.

[fierce lark]

it won't happen

[blissful verge]

From lvl 100 up to 300 its more like Burst Nuke.

After that, it becomes something very gradual.

[mighty flare]

actually for companions you'd rather run summoner's wrath usually

[blissful verge]

I do things differently.

[lavish orbit]

Well, there's 100% damage growth per tick to a total of 10x multiplier cap, so in 5s... after that I let you calculate lol

[fierce lark]

levelcap enemies have hp well into the millions, so

i dont think brimstone is gonna kill anything on its own

[coral crest]

Not to mention armor

[mighty flare]

its not terrible, you overlap catenach, demonium, archon vitality with grouping & viral before brimstone itself

[coral crest]

But it can definitely work

I saw it with my own eyes

As much "eyes" a caster Voruna can afford

[coral crest]

He would be entirely reliant on health conversion

105 base armor is uhm

[fierce lark]

well yeah

but what's new

[coral crest]

Most frames that can do well with it have good armor or they're Nekros

Actually anyways

Persistence Uriel, why the hell not

[amber girder]

hmmm...

[lavish orbit]

What if : Demon marked enemy finished by Oraxia's 1st in Lycath hunt with a slash dot from a Citrine, how many orbs

[coral crest]

What if they're also charmed by augmented spectrorage

[lavish orbit]

With 10 radiations stack and Oraxia being equipped with fallout

[coral crest]

That's still 1 more teammate slot

[lavish orbit]

Nekros ?

[coral crest]

Nova?

We need on kill

Also glaxion with photon overcharge and archon flow

[lavish orbit]

[noble inlet]

question.. without a doubt protea is made for arcane concentration right ?
since it will make her turrets even more deadly

[lavish orbit]

Ye she spams pretty well

[noble inlet]

so we replace eficiency

[lavish orbit]

Totally

[noble inlet]

right ? ,no need for both to exist

[coral crest]

Yeah, seems good to snapshot duration for turrets

[lavish orbit]

Oh ye is there a list of snapshot ability ?

[noble inlet]

also question... i delved into the new update but i did not paid much atention to new arcanes... which of the arcanes are the OP ones ?
also is arcane persistence THE arcane to use for health monsters frames ? like inaros,nidus etc...

heard they nerfed it a abit 0_0

[brisk gyro]

The nerf ia okaish, from my experiance so far with it u arent gett8ng much magnetic proca for you so its more or less forgetable (havent played m7ch against corpus the last weeks so maybe there u could notice it)

[noble inlet]

ok will try it with nidus and finaly bring inaros out of foundry to check it with him as well

do we have any sugested build for inaros ?

[midnight horizon]

One's with funky names are op

[noble inlet]

funky whut ? XD

[midnight horizon]

Zid-An's

[noble inlet]

thing is,to make a tauron strike happen..it needs alot of time no ?

cuz those get procced only from those if i remember right

[midnight horizon]

2 of em aren't strike related

[coral crest]

Nullifiers and magnetic procs disable it. Magnetic procs are usually a non issue since most frames its already good on have some way to status cleanse. Nullifiers on the other hand are more dangerous to them than they are to shield gate

Barely anything surpasses 500dps outside of endurance runs so only at that point it comes online

The only real danger to it is endurance Violence

Because silence disables it as well

[midnight horizon]

Oh just realized you didn't mean operator

[noble inlet]

ok nidus can survive it,what about inaros ?

[coral crest]

Inaros has status immunity as well

[noble inlet]

so those frames go GOOD with persistence no ?

[coral crest]

Yes they do

Any "health tanks" do pretty damn well with it

[noble inlet]

ALSO now with health tanking being a thing,is arcane grace good now ?

[fluid crest]

multishot vinquibus or acuity ?

[lavish orbit]

Still 9% chance of 6% healing so not that much if you don't have a tons of hp for me

[coral crest]

Ehh, not sure how good grace healing would be for any frame that doesn't have 5 quadrillion hp

Most health tanks have an active way to heal anyways

[lavish orbit]

Like on Lavos it's still useless lol

[coral crest]

Idk, Lavos works with it very well

His bite is a good heal

And he can abuse healing return

His hp is high enough to have like 4s of health gate

[noble inlet]

T_T, and for a moment i was happy he would become sp viable without using weird ways to keep him alive..

[coral crest]

And he has full status immunity pretty much at all times

[coral crest]

Why the hell are you listening to someone who lists zero arguments

[lavish orbit]

Arcane grace I mean.

[coral crest]

Yeah, grace barely works unless you have tons of hp

[noble inlet]

do we have any good build to try ? 0_0

im willing to try again to make him sp viable

[coral crest]

Just Persistence, Triumbral, neutral efficiency, and whatever else you want out of Lavos

Lavos has always been sp viable as a health tank idk what you mean

This arcane only comes online when enemies hit 1k+

[lavish orbit]

Triumbra lavos is a bit sad tho, he just needs one tau blue to get enough armor..

[noble inlet]

triumbra is what ? 0_0

[coral crest]

It's about getting the hp

[fierce lark]

box can you close your ears/eyes for a second

[coral crest]

No

Even if I wanted to

[midnight horizon]

Can you close your box at least

[coral crest]

I am forever strapped to that one machine from the end of clockwork orange

[fierce lark]

triumbra lavos is fine because stats don't do anything to help him be a walking weapon buff

[coral crest]

I mean you can build him for that

I don't disagree

The point is that triumbral is realistically enough

The rest is up to you how to build him

[fierce lark]

yeah but i know from 1 conversation how much you hate valence formation the frame

[coral crest]

Just because I have a negative opinion on something doesn't mean others can't have fun with it

I may be sad but I won't be dragging others down

You can probably run health tank Lavos with archon vitality and one armor shard if you're the stingiest mf on the planet

[lavish orbit]

I feel triumbra is a bit of a waste on him, there is so much build you can do with him and you lock up 3 mods space

[coral crest]

But he benefits a lot from more health gate

[lavish orbit]

Ty, I take it happily

[coral crest]

Due to his heal being timed

[fierce lark]

depending on the kind of lavos you're building

you'd rather archon vitality anyway for 4 nuke

[noble inlet]

ninjase made this build https://overframe.gg/build/816058/lavos-prime/full-mecha-alchemist-lavos-explosive-fumes-heat-gas-catalyze-nuke-with-lazy-immortality/

[coral crest]

Yeah, it will entirely depend on how you play him

[noble inlet]

updated

[coral crest]

full mecha
No mecha set

[lavish orbit]

That's more how I play him

[coral crest]

Stand United though

[noble inlet]

what would you ppl change ?

[coral crest]

My ways make people angry, so I won't contribute anything

Already mentioned that for survivability you don't need much

[lavish orbit]

Triumbra you mean ?

[coral crest]

It was a bad joke

[noble inlet]

ok will tinker with him and see what i can make,i have not touched him since i started sp years ago

[midnight horizon]

-# I use triumbra + stand united on saryn (normal) ong but no one will know cuz I shrinked my msg

[coral crest]

He has innate heal that works very well, he has no dr or armor scaling.

So realistically all you need is some minor armor source to reach the threshold and a lot of hp

The rest is entirely up to you

[noble inlet]

thanks for your points, you and @lavish orbit you helped me tons to guide me 😄

finaly i can try his new drips as well

[coral crest]

Have fun

[drowsy herald]

What's the best way to survive with titania

[lavish orbit]

Iirc persistance does the job after the damage reduction calculation isn't it ?

[coral crest]

Yeah, you really don't need adaptation or whatever

For levels where DR matters you will not need persistence

For levels where Persistence matters DR won't do anything

Unless you're someone like Baruuk

[lavish orbit]

So it's better to minimize armor over 700 and all DR to use persistance a maximum ?

[coral crest]

Pretty much, triumbral is good bc it's a huge hp boost alongside str more than anything

DR isn't gonna do anything by the point Persistence truly comes online

And before that your non persistence tools will suffice

All persistence does is let frames that are already functional health tanks work past their expiration date

Healthtank lavos benefits from it the most because he has zero ways to add to his raw numbers

So his expiration date is by far the lowest of all health tanks

[lavish orbit]

I see, ty

[woven drift]

Any best way for the hate incarnon (the event made me wanna play it again) is there a way to make burning hate work influence or do I need to pick one of the other (sorry if I didn't explain this well I'll try to explain it better if it's confusing)

[fierce lark]

you need a way to prime external heat status, a heat buff on you, or an electric buff while running heat

shock trooper (subsumable), valence formation heat, valence formation electric, fireball frenzy on ember, any number of abilities that do heat damage and status

companion heat primer

a gun

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/bullet-gif-309970495353554344

[fierce lark]

if you don't buff electric onto the gun, you do need to mod gas/blast onto it i think, since the incarnon projectile is heat it'll combine with pure electric

the same way we do influence on ceramic dagger

influence hate probably just isn't a good idea tbh

[woven drift]

Ight I'm running affliction on it

[lavish orbit]

Careen lmao

[noble inlet]

whats the max duration that is capped in proteas turrets ?

[lavish orbit]

Is that capped tho ?

[noble inlet]

6 for sure.. dont know if its alowed further

[noble inlet]

last i heard i think yes 0_0

[lavish orbit]

Temporal anchor, not capped anymore 😂

[versed harbor]

range more important fr

[lavish orbit]

Can't see any infos about duration capped, just it does 19 shots at 200% duration (3 per second + 1 at zero sec), maybe we can try to do narrow minded + primed continuity + concentration to see if you can get over 10sec

[noble inlet]

ok will tinker with her after lavos,also do you use grimoire with him ?

[lavish orbit]

With lavos ? Can be good with duration for status duration on his ability, I don't have special secondaries for him, I basically run a no brain sicarus prime incarnon

[noble inlet]

ok got it

[lavish orbit]

Only for primary I like to take some status one with debilitate now

and for archguns the might cordyceps

[noble inlet]

u use cedo with him ?

[lavish orbit]

I do, but almost anything works with him depending if you use valence formation or not

[noble inlet]

since his 4 does goooooooooood aoe,i thought single target guns are the best for him no?

[lavish orbit]

Well, Cedo can prime with the secondary shoot (elemental glaive), so its really good for his 4th (since it scales with the number of status)

But I also use Vadarya prime that I find really good

[noble inlet]

care to share yer build ? ,its unique ability its a joy to watch XD

[lavish orbit]

https://youtu.be/locVakRw2ik
Don't mind arcanes on Lavos, I was testing a tons of thing to share with my clan (not selfpromoting the video isn't repertoried)

[noble inlet]

many thanks XD

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/green-nuke-truth-nuke-green-humor-true-green-gif-3609578387672598321

[noble inlet]

jesus... XD nice

[coral crest]

this does include a xata subsume

it wont be as destructive normally

[noble inlet]

well with priming and stuff it can work

[lavish orbit]

Totally, I like to build interactive stuff, but it makes most of the times non optimize build that I like to use, that's why I don't share a lot normally

[coral crest]

not really the point, xata is a second hit

but yeah snipers are good on lavos

since he can infuse gas or blast

[lavish orbit]

Gas evade with glaive is also a thing on him

[coral crest]

by that point you may as well forego any sort of survivability

[woven drift]

Riv has atk speed and heat

[elfin gate]

Do you guys have any torid builds for sp?

[fierce lark]

great youtube comment

[lavish orbit]

Did she really got something interesting in this update

Genuine question, I did build her but I'm not interested enough to seek things for her

[midnight horizon]

saryn goated anyway

[midnight horizon]

errr nothing much

[fierce lark]

yes

[midnight horizon]

fr?

[fierce lark]

the buff you get after using thara tauron strike triggers map-wide on all sources of damage from you

including spores

[midnight horizon]

what kind of buffs

I havent gotten to the tauron strikes yet cuz I uhhh I cant do the homunculus bossfight (im a melee main)

[fierce lark]

every time you do damage you shoot an arrow on a 0.35 second cooldown at that enemy

the arrow hits for around 400k void damage

and it has aoe, and it can target multiple enemies near the target

[midnight horizon]

alright. not bad

[fierce lark]

it relies on charging tauron strike which can be slow, but yeah, if you have a map afflicted with spores, suddenly the map is dead

[lavish orbit]

Great ty for the informations

[noble inlet]

question about arcane persistence
sp enemies will consistency hit for 500 hp right ? if yes we need to refill that void at like 500 hp per sec to survive no ?

further armor doesnt decrease that amount of damage right ?

[lavish orbit]

I asked before, wait

[lavish orbit]

@noble inlet read here

[noble inlet]

aaa ok got it

soo CC is esential

[tardy lily]

Hello all, I'm back! My testing continues: I have tried as clean a mag build as I can (I wasn't willing to remove archon shards but I opened up an empty config slot); the Felarx still does this. I tried using the Void proc instead of Mag's bubble; it's much less effective but it still does this.

[coral crest]

CC and active healing, yes

Unless you have one of those frames who have so much hp that percentage heal covers your ass

[noble inlet]

like nidus with abundant mutation 😄

[coral crest]

Yep

Well of Life is also an extremely strong subsume bandaid

[noble inlet]

but i dont think nidus needs abundant since removes one of his core survival abilities if something goes really wrong

[coral crest]

It even gives status immunity

[coral crest]

Well with persistence you are already surviving off hp

[lavish orbit]

Abundant isn't it only useful with parasitic vitality augment ?

[noble inlet]

YES

[coral crest]

Having 30s cooldown death save is not as detrimental if you already have a health gate each 500hp

[noble inlet]

i have to try trinity...

[tardy lily]

Trinity is fun! She's a good weapons platform who Will Not Die as long as you're paying attention

[coral crest]

Well of Life is also a subsume with zero nerfs

For how strong and cheap it is

[midnight horizon]

or healing

I rely on lifesteal melees and other times gloom

[noble inlet]

like coda hirudo ?

[midnight horizon]

yes

exactly that

[noble inlet]

was thinking to make that XD thanks

which progenitor btw >?

[midnight horizon]

prob just electric

[noble inlet]

not a bad one actualy

[coral crest]

Shotgun gunblades with life strike are also very good

Each bullet counts for life steal

[noble inlet]

stropha or redeemer prime ?

[midnight horizon]

I like nikanas with amalgam daikyu

makes my saryn health tank build look sick

[coral crest]

Vastilok of Redeemer Prime

[midnight horizon]

kill with style type shit

[coral crest]

Stropha is one big wide hitbox

[lavish orbit]

Vastilok is a great armor strip for addition

[coral crest]

True

It also has much better falloff

So you can heal at safer range

[hollow mantle]

Does the MR of a Riven mod effect the quality of it's stat percentages?

[midnight horizon]

not at all

[grizzled badger]

is there a new meta for amps now that we have mods etc?

[coral crest]

at the very least Madurai is no longer "mandatory"

theres a whole lot of room to mess with, eternal eradice and the like might be swapped for smth else

[grizzled badger]

To be honest I never really kept up with amp builds, and want to try and get something at least decent.
Need to farm focus too >.>

[tulip merlin]

Thoughts on my scindo prime build?

[lavish orbit]

With which frame ? Cuse you use exposure

[tulip merlin]

Rhino

[lavish orbit]

You can maintain exposure with charge or stomp ?

[tulip merlin]

Yeah. The only requirement to activate it is to cast an ability.

And I'm always using stomp, roar, and nourish.

[fluid gulch]

which should i pick?

[lavish orbit]

If you can maintain at max stacks then it should be okay, if you don't prime maybe condition overload can be a bit tricky but besides that, its good, not an influence one (just not sure about that reach because scindo have a 60% follow through only)

[tulip merlin]

Honestly hadn't consider melee influence 🤔

[lavish orbit]

It makes every melee somehow broken so---

[tulip merlin]

Interesting

What does follow through do?

[fervent rapids]

Affects how much damage the attack does when it hits multiple enemies in one swing

so 60% Follow Through means the second enemy hit takes 60% worth of the damage, third takes 60% of worth of that already reduced damage etc.

[tulip merlin]

So there's diminishing returns?

[lavish orbit]

Yes

[tulip merlin]

Huh. Didn't know that.

[lavish orbit]

If you have low follow through, higher range will not help somehow

[tulip merlin]

So what would be a good substitute?

[fervent rapids]

it's why Nami Solo's Incarnon adapter is so strong, cause it gives insane range and 100% Follow Through to fully take advantage of said range

on top of just very good base stat buffs

[lavish orbit]

Do you heavy attack often ?

[tulip merlin]

Whenever I get the chance

So usually Whenever tenno kai procs

[fierce lark]

are you avoiding influence just because screw influence or

[limber delta]

can well of life heal a decent amount of health passively

[lavish orbit]

Whats decent for you ?

[tulip merlin]

I just thought exposure was cool

[limber delta]

over 500 for arcane persistence

[fierce lark]

fair enough, run what you want

melee influence is extremely broken though and pretty much carries most melee builds

[limber delta]

the range looks good to me mainly, i have to build range a lot with blood altar

[tulip merlin]

So should I swap out reach for voltaic strike?

[fierce lark]

you should swap out fever strike for shocking touch

if you're running influence

you should also get galvanized elementalist if you can and run it over organ shatter

[lavish orbit]

It seems like a good alternative to blood altar if you want to replace blood altar

[fierce lark]

or melee elementalist/smite mod is fine

berserker fury over quickening, and discipline's merit over dreamer's wrath

[limber delta]

my goal is to sustain a valkyr standing still and a kubrow running around

[lavish orbit]

Why do you want to do such a tenebrous setup ?

[limber delta]

because survival alerts

[lavish orbit]

Well, it should work better than blood altar

[limber delta]

does it really heal over 500hp/s

[tulip merlin]

Luckily I have all the galvanized mods

[fierce lark]

tennokai heavy attacks fly at max heavy swing speed btw, so amalgam organ shatter does nothing over regular

[limber delta]

it doesnt, good to know

[lavish orbit]

Its better than blood altar tho x)

[limber delta]

for my application, not really

both me and my dog have >2k hp so it kinda wins out there

[hexed lodge]

This is pretty useful to know for me, I tend to need a lot of weapons that need follow-through, so my go to were usually daggers

[coral crest]

Yeah blood altar is better for beefy health tanks

They usually don't need status immunity well of life gives

And well of life is not % based so it eventually falls off

[lavish orbit]

Oh did I missmatch with another ability ?

[coral crest]

Wdym?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[tulip merlin]

So if I swapped out reach for shocking touch then I can still get corrosive with fever strike. Then I'd have toxin, electricity, and corrosive plus influence for more electricity....I think.

[lavish orbit]

Is that the one with less duration you get more heal pulse ?

[coral crest]

Not sure that we are talking about the same thing

[lavish orbit]

Well of life

[coral crest]

Oh yeah

[lavish orbit]

Doesn't it heal more per pulse even if blood altar is constant ?

[coral crest]

Yeah, but it's not % based

At some point if you are one of those big hp tanks

It just becomes less than blood altar, noticeably

And status immunity of the well doesn't matter because all of those tanks have some reliable status immunity already

[fierce lark]

if you get corrosive, you can't get electricity

when elements combine, they don't add the new element, they become the new element

[lavish orbit]

Indeed, I'll see a bit more about this one so, seems more of a support than precisely an healing tool, ty

[fierce lark]

90% toxin and 90% electric will become 180% corrosive

[serene condor]

does anyone have some arcane suggestions for my build? Or is hot shot okay

[lavish orbit]

Consistance to get 60% more duration after 3sec of an ability cast

Hot shot is a false good idea since protea is more a caster than a weaponplatform, but it works

[serene condor]

yeah I just put hot shot on because I didn't have any other ideas

but that new duration arcane will definitely be better

[silver fiber]

this gun gos hard

[woven wren]

i currently have prime braton right now and i am wondering if it's worth to build? what mr should i change my primary and what gun do you guys recommend i should use

[fierce lark]

with the incarnon adapter it’s okay, but that would require steel path

[woven wren]

i am at mr 8 right now, what gun should i probably invest as of now and what mr do you recommend i change it into?

[fierce lark]

depends on what you have I suppose

[woven wren]

i only have braton prime as of now and i have all the materials for acceltra but it's still in mr14 so it might take a while, i am curious if i should invest on my braton since if i find something better, i will change it into that

[serene condor]

fulmin is a good mr 8 weapon

[fierce lark]

there are some decent stop gap weapons on the way to higher level stuff, but i don’t think base braton prime is one of them

some quest weapons are good

nataruk, xoris

i think the kuva/tenet system unlocks at mr5 and there are some endgame standouts there

[woven wren]

i seee, do you guys have any recos that i should build between mr14 and mr8? since i am gonna main acceltra prime in mr14

[fierce lark]

anything from this list, or you can stick with the braton prime, but ideally just pick one

[coral crest]

Phantasma is extremely good and available relatively early

Was one of my carry weapons early into the game

[fierce lark]

my early game carry was the hek

mostly because I had the augment from steel meridian

[silver fiber]

stropia is best for early and late

[gray garden]

help

[thorn orchid]

looks like you need more forma

[gray garden]

yup

[thorn orchid]

best of luck tenno

[gray garden]

alr had it, i rolled the riven

[thorn orchid]

rn i think you need to forma it twice more, it looks promising, but i dont speak spanish to tell for sure

[median heron]

Disappointed the riven isnt something like El saticron para Torido

[gray garden]

XD

very high crit but i am missing the damage xd

nvm i hit some 900k, had to charge the arcane

decent

[hushed mauve]

which one in your opinion?

[thorn orchid]

oh man

[gray garden]

you are gonna tickle the corpus if you choose right xd

[hushed mauve]

i do almost 1m dps

without any fac mod

[gray garden]

frfr, imagine using fac mods

[jovial lion]

what would u guys say its a good element to pair with cold on a melee

[pale elbow]

The usual go to is Cold + Toxin to make Viral.

[jovial lion]

yes

but i lose the cold

i mean like having cold + combined element

[fervent rapids]

could go Corrosive ig

Gas can be decent on some stuff but idk how well it pairs with Cold

[drowsy herald]

why is my boreals contempt mod not showing up in the polearm section??

i have it on my mod menu

[jovial lion]

the kogake prime has a masive status chance so i was thinking of running it with the new arcane ngl so i guess gas could work too

[fervent rapids]

Is the weapon an actual Polearm, or is it a Staff?

[drowsy herald]

its the broken scpter

and bo

[fervent rapids]

those are Staffs

[coral crest]

STAVES

ITS STAVES

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-screaming-gif-25279230

[fervent rapids]

both spellings are correct, just depends on the dialect

[coral crest]

sorry i have a trauma with fextralife wiki

[fervent rapids]

Polearms are stuff like Tonbo, Guandao etc.

[viscid pollen]

Is there anything i could optimise here?
I use it on my Ash, so i could theoretically make use of smth like Spectral Serration, tho idk if theres anything thats replaceable for that, that makes it better
Coda Sporothrix (Heat Valence)

[abstract cargo]

I just got Uriel how do you build him?

[tawdry cargo]

rate my frost :3

[fervent rapids]

the devils count as Summons, so stuff like Summoner's Wrath and Arcane Camisado benefit them

Archon Vitality works for him obviously, and Archon Intensify procs when you heal the Devils too so that can work

I'd say focus on strength and range, but Duration is very good for Brimstone too

[lavish orbit]

Not sure how efficient is to mod Uriel with Camisado/Summoner's Wrath tho

[fervent rapids]

it's fun 🤷

[jovial lion]

looks so useless but it helps me to come up with better ideas, as they say make it real and then u can perfect it

[lavish orbit]

Ok nevermind I just tested it's pretty solid if you don't use him like a spamming caster

[novel bear]

Does summoner’s wrath affect the shared damage from catenach? Because otherwise his demons aren’t doing much damage

[lavish orbit]

Well, I just did a test with Summoner's wrath and camisado while typing this, they annihilated lvl210 corrupted gunner behind

[gleaming tangle]

is this any good for nikana? if not then what stats would be preferable?

[tardy lily]

Pleased to report that someone in Kengineer's server was able to help me figure out what's going on. Turns out that enemies from WitW and later get a flat +100% crit on weak spots, so somehow my bubble was able to make the Felarx hit the weak spots every single time.

Mystery solved!

[limber dirge]

Lately, I've been having energy trouble with Banshee. Typically I rely on equilibrium and synth mod on companions plus arcane steadfast or energize. But with energy woes, its hard to keep her alive either through gloom or shield gating. Any thoughts?

[jovial lion]

is this good for a primer or should i change something

[median heron]

Probably pshred instead of armaments

[flat slate]

what do we think of the soma build? it feels like it just doesnt shred the way other guns do

[abstract cargo]

thanks

[brittle sleet]

Majority of damage comes from Uriel himself, so Summoner's Wrath is eh but Camisado, which buffs how fast they move (utility boost and boost to rate of usage for your 4) and buffs your ability strength, is good

[versed inlet]

which would be better for incarnon? :3

ooo wait i got this :O

[rocky aurora]

Thats because 1: you've modded it for magnetic and toxin (is this vs corpus specifically, without a faction mod?) And 2: it's the soma

[rocky aurora]

Primer preferably also armor strips, so I would suggest removing radiation (useless element) and modding in Corrosive using 60/60 mods

Hmm you cant lol nvm I guess mag + viral or corrosive + viral

Or you could add in Heat somewhere (by removing radiation) to get 50% armor strip

As long as your main dps weapon doesnt use heat as the dps element

[languid ledge]

does galvanized aptitude not work on burston incarnon?

[novel bear]

Doesn’t work on the aoe

[oak coyote]

Been having a lot of fun with the Hildryn buff

[languid ledge]

what should i use for a corrosive + heat setup?

any damage mod or something?

[novel bear]

Serration and deadhead

[languid ledge]

got it

[oak coyote]

I use primary acuity on my burston incarnon

[charred mauve]

Whats a good build for exodia contagion?

[spiral chasm]

ooh u can get spicy with that zaw

depends on riven or rivenless tho

[oak coyote]

I personally have fun using exodia contagion on nikana zaw

[rocky aurora]

Corrosive + heat is redundant, heat already strips 50% armor. Having viral priming and pure heat would give better damage

[oak coyote]

Wouldn’t using a vulpaphyla work to fit blast instead?

[rocky aurora]

And serration is bad to use. Faction mod double dips on status damage, which burstin primarily uses heat, so youll be getting double final damage multiplier on heat procs

[rocky aurora]

No blast 😭

Stacking heat is better rather than splitting status between 2

[languid ledge]

already got viral priming with panzer and nukor soo thats why i thought corrosive and heat would be good or should i go blast?

[rocky aurora]

Blast is really bad on anything except a select few specific builds, like corrosive+blast +xatas on the torid

[oak coyote]

Is it because of its rate of fire with mainly single target?

[rocky aurora]

Yes

Its basically a weaker furis

[jovial lion]

my main dps weapon is hitting enemies in the face and see their bodies explode in a bunch of rubble

[oak coyote]

Gotcha. That does make sense

I love using blast on my acceltra though

[rocky aurora]

If that isn't heat then youre fine to put heat on your primer for armor strip + cc, unless you want to go mag+corrosive

Acceltra has innate blast on aoe though

[quiet laurel]

Why

[oak coyote]

Because acceltra go brr

[quiet laurel]

It has such bad status chance to justify blast and the killing potential also isnt the greatest

Need some good buffing to make it good fr fr

[rocky aurora]

Doesnt acceltra have crit stats rather than status?

[oak coyote]

I almost always proc it and see red crits of 4m-5m barrages without crazy arcanes

[rocky aurora]

Yea so hunter munitions + crit mods + faction mod to have final damage multiplier (double on status) and viral priming or just mod viral onto it i guess

Id love to see the 5 million damage hits on acceltra

[quiet laurel]

Builds discussion onto smth tonite

Humu in da big 26 (almost) 🗣️

[rocky aurora]

Idek what humu means

[oak coyote]

Next time I’m on sure.
I’m lacking the actual mods I want so I substitute it with blast and can easily run sp content

[fervent rapids]

Hunter Munitions

[rocky aurora]

HM without viral and faction is a meme

Thats like having heat as a main dps without the same

Except heat is just better

[oak coyote]

I should definitely test out heat sometime
I mainly use blast acceltra to speed run my cavia dailies with caliban

[charred mauve]

Either or

[rocky aurora]

🤷‍♂️ heat is mainly the stacking status damage, especially if you use heat inherit correctly youll just be deleting shit

[charred mauve]

this is what i have rn can prob be better modded and im trying to find a riv but really tough

[quiet laurel]

Acceltra is just a cyte tool or saryn with EM and otherwise not rly worth tbh, ammo to damage ratio is just not good

[quiet laurel]

Zawfluence no way

Slot CO instead of spoiled strike

[charred mauve]

not sure that would work? they insta die when i land a direct hit

[oak coyote]

I have 0 issue nuking content I run with acceltra. So I have no issue on dmg

[quiet laurel]

CO scales multiplicatively with base dmg

Its just more optimal

Especially cause -attack speed sucks big time on zaw

[charred mauve]

neg attack speeds no issue have 114% attack speed buff

[quiet laurel]

Actually screw that dont slot CO

If you one shot influence doesnt get spread

So you want to not one shot

Which is hard on normal SP

[oak coyote]

Time to glaive it up

[charred mauve]

it does everything inside influence range dies

[versed inlet]

May I please have an sp viable ember build?

[quiet laurel]

Yeah if you dont one shot

Unless they shadow fixed influence

[charred mauve]

must have shadow fixed it cus when i was testing my projectile would direct impact and everything inside influence range died like a half a second later from influence

but thats on lower level think im at 140 with sp modifiers in sim so i could use more dmg for sure

i could try to swap spoiled for co

[weary elbow]

I was watching an Oberon build (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yhg1ALI-QA) and he recommends viral weapons. Why he needs viral weapons? I'm trying to understand the synergies here but I'm too noob in builds knowledge

[novel bear]

Smite does a percentage of an enemy’s current health as damage to them, and a smaller percentage to enemies around them
With radiation ability damage shards, roar, and enough strength, you can make that smaller percentage 100% or more
But viral lowers the strength threshold significantly

[weary elbow]

I see, so viral weapon is there so you don't need to pump that much the strength number

[rocky aurora]

You dont even need that much str when youre using roar to hit 100%+ if youre using molt augmented you only need ~60-70% hp damage and before augmented even stacks, using roar makes up for that last bit of damage to one shot

Augmented just helps if you dont want to mod in as much strength

[weary elbow]

I really need to find someone on youtube that ELI5 the builds cuz most people omit details and Warframe is so big and with too much stuff that I'm missing information half the time

[rocky aurora]

And Fallout means energy shouldn't be an issue

[novel bear]

Better to mod strength and use fallout and battery

[rocky aurora]

Battery is redundant, p.flow is all you need

And fallout, obv

Dont need any priming at all if using roar. But if you want to use something else then yea priming is needed, I agree

[oak coyote]

What’s the difference between roar and eclipse?
Like, use wise

[weary elbow]

thanks for the help guys. im not understanding you much, dont worry. i came back to the game after many many years and i'm missing a ton of stuff on goodies

[velvet pulsar]

I have decided to discontinue madurai.
My first acquired artifact was zenurik, and impressively it has a lot of buffs.

Though I'm also interested in Vazarin because of ignoring any content penalty and reviving squadmates when everything else fails.

[oak coyote]

I 100% feel you. I’m in the same boat lol

[rocky aurora]

Roar is coded like faction mods. It's a final damage multiplier. Eclipse is additive iirc

[severe bough]

Artifact grind is more boring than isleweaver ngl

[oak coyote]

That’s kinda gross then lol
Is it just if you want better survivability then?

[rocky aurora]

With the new mods from the old peace, any school and handle even level cap thrax ghosts

[severe bough]

And i need 2 more 💀

[velvet pulsar]

I don't do those content so I don't care

[rocky aurora]

On Oberon you should have invulnerability almost the entire mission so you really only need rolling guard tbh

[velvet pulsar]

I've only lvl capped once
That too in circuit

[novel bear]

For single target, sure
But for aoe you absolutely need viral unless you want to mod 300% strength

[severe bough]

Brespite for security on top of that is good

[rocky aurora]

Then any school should do way more damage than youll ever need

[oak coyote]

I mainly bounce between Hildryn, Caliban and mirage

[velvet pulsar]

Atleast it's permanent

[severe bough]

It is but still

[weary elbow]

whenever I try to find some build, I see that I need to unlock and farm 20 different things to enable it, even on the budget level. I still don't have arcanes, archon shards, i'm missing some primed mods like flow, steelpath, there's now something about incarnation weapons, some shit is unlocked after some side adventures and I just finished The New War

[severe bough]

Just let me buy that shi

[rocky aurora]

I agree. Could also use breach surge for aoe, since breach surge multiplies damage dealt in an aoe

[velvet pulsar]

BTW bundles are prorated now right?

Which means if u farmed some, the cost of bundle will reduce?

[severe bough]

Ur talking about the material bundle?

[oak coyote]

What helped me tremendously was using Xoris early game and helping me farm harder content for the more grindy builds until I got stronger

[rocky aurora]

Xoris is goated

[velvet pulsar]

Wait... there's no artifact bundle!

[oak coyote]

Truly a blessing to have. Main reason now I wana go viral glaive combo influence build

[rocky aurora]

Falcor is all you need

[severe bough]

Ye but the bundle to buying the tektolyst mats which is nice but can be done once lmao

[novel bear]

Xoris does need a lot of mods that you have to farm specifically for though

Glaive stance mods are annoying

[rocky aurora]

Its an upgrade to xoris and falcor+influence scales to level cap

Even without a riven

[oak coyote]

I want that hollovania one but lich bullying me

[velvet pulsar]

Falcor is rigged

[rocky aurora]

That one is good too

[velvet pulsar]

It's exceptionally good

[oak coyote]

I love falcor. Definitely with combo build

[weary elbow]

i don't have much issues with damage, using the Tiberon Prime I got when I was still playing, but it's true I'm finding myself having issues on damage with some +40 lvl enemies and my Volt Prime can't survive most of the time on those levels :/

[rocky aurora]

Falcor has forced electric proc so it's literally perfect for influence

[hollow yew]

Does anyone have a built sakeg prime and any glaive? If so, can you equip them both, then unequip your primary weapon so you can see if you hold both your glaive and sagek prime like this?

[velvet pulsar]

Even the punch through disabling mods don't disable Falcor's punch through.

[rocky aurora]

Yes secondary+single hand melee can be held at the same time

[velvet pulsar]

It's that good.

[rocky aurora]

Falcor on any frame that makes melee even more powerful is a menace

[hollow yew]

MOST do, some don't tho

[rocky aurora]

Dual secondary obv dont lol

[velvet pulsar]

I don't wanna use PSF

[oak coyote]

Yeah. When I reached that content is when I was relying way too heavily on Xoris so I started learning my kit better and fully utilizing my personal play style

[rocky aurora]

Dont explode the glaive in your face then lol

[hollow yew]

Why do y'all think DE added this feature?

[rocky aurora]

It looks cool

[velvet pulsar]

Dark Sector

[hollow yew]

Its also a reference

[oak coyote]

I just yeet it and watch the numbers skyrocket

[rocky aurora]

Oh yea dark sector

Unironically if youre not exploding the glaive youre just kneecapping your damage

[velvet pulsar]

There's even a nightwave mission called "like the old ways"

Complete a mission by dual wielding a pistol & a glaive

[rocky aurora]

True

[oak coyote]

Combo stacks though

[rocky aurora]

Galv reflex is all you need

[oak coyote]

Which one was that again? Heavy attack efficiency?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

[oak coyote]

What exactly does that do?

[velvet pulsar]

Initial combo
5× multiplier

[hollow yew]

I hope everyones having a good day today! Christmas is just around dat corner

[oak coyote]

Oh dang. Yeah that’s pretty good

[velvet pulsar]

I'm enjoying a lot.
Maybe that's a problem (all fun, no w*rk)

Farmed what I wanted from the update so I'll slow down.

[oak coyote]

I was hitting 3mil with combo build across the map but I’ll 100% test that out

[hollow yew]

Yeeeessaaaa

[velvet pulsar]

I'm satisfied with Zenurik and Vazarin artifacts for now.

Don't know what I'll main among these 2

[proven veldt]

GUYS GUYS HEAR ME OUT

(its on titania btw)

[velvet pulsar]

One-shot

[rocky aurora]

What should be killing everything is the status damage from influence. Legit kills level cap enemies no problem with combo stacked up

[velvet pulsar]

You'll get one-shot

[proven veldt]

You're no fun

[velvet pulsar]

Failing isn't fun

U aren't taking the main advantage of persistence

Increase health above 500

Have a healing source active/ready all the time.

[versed inlet]

gonna figure out a build myself 🙏

[velvet pulsar]

Also I have a negative bais towards golden instinct

[versed inlet]

Is Archon Vitality good on her? or should i just lean into power strength and shield gate?

[oak coyote]

And the reason the blast is better is because more influence spread?

[proven veldt]

That one was a genuine mistake on my part lol

[velvet pulsar]

U asking about blast influence?

[oak coyote]

Glaive blast

[proven veldt]

would this work?

[velvet pulsar]

U know what
Gloom titania

But yeah this'll work too ig

[versed harbor]

just heal with titania's passive ez 4head

[oak coyote]

Should I helminth caliban 4th ability with xata?

[atomic talon]

caliban's 4 is good

[coral crest]

It's free lingering armor/shield strip

Unless you have enough firepower to outdo that with Xata's

[proven veldt]

Main problem is that now its a good build and not a meme build... I wish there were warframe specific rivens bruh

[atomic talon]

if you REALLY need to helminth something. the 1 is the most useless but its still useful

[coral crest]

Never

[oak coyote]

I normally pull, lift, spray

[proven veldt]

I CAN HAVE DREAMS HAROLD

[coral crest]

No

[oak coyote]

Caliban 1 so good though

[coral crest]

You cAn have dreams but not the warframe rivens

[atomic talon]

caliban's 1 is only good for generating shields, but if you have alternative means or just have a really low shield cap for gating I guess its tradable

[proven veldt]

Im going to eat your whole endo supply

[coral crest]

Ok

[oak coyote]

Augment it

[coral crest]

Razor Gyre does so much for 1

[oak coyote]

Pulls in enemies. So useful

[versed inlet]

Would flow work, or should i use energize instead?

[atomic talon]

personally I disagree just because of how hard it is to control his 1

[versed inlet]

I wanted to use HotShot so i get more crit from using her abilities

[coral crest]

You can just jump out of it

[atomic talon]

you press 1 you wind up a mile away from where you want to be

[coral crest]

Also it's not only shield, it's energy

[atomic talon]

oh really? didntt notice that

[coral crest]

Yeah it's infinite shield and energy

[oak coyote]

I have 0 issue controlling it though

[coral crest]

And grouping+nuke with the augment

And you can jump out early to not lose control

[oak coyote]

I love using it for cavia missions as the dmg volume gets so loud lol

[coral crest]

1 has infinite energy generation, infinite shield generation, (augment)grouping, (augment)nuke in combo with 3

Razor gyre is absolutely amazing nowadays

[oak coyote]

I feel that alone saves him

[coral crest]

Ehhh

Sentient wrath is really good as well

Like 80m of cc in line of sight with damage vulnerability

[oak coyote]

Is it really without the augment?

[coral crest]

What?

[oak coyote]

Wait, is that one his summon?

[proven veldt]

what yall say about this

[coral crest]

His only augment is razor mortar

[oak coyote]

Which buffs his one summon

[coral crest]

It buffs 1 technically

[oak coyote]

Correct. And adds more dmg to gun summon

[coral crest]

It adds grouping to 1, and when that grouping happens the 3 gun summon teleports to you and is forced into a mortar state

So what were you talking about the augment

I said that sentient wrath is also very good

[viscid bane]

Need some help conceptualizing a build based on Reze from Chainsaw man. Nova seems to be the right fit but kinda want to hear your opinions

[oak coyote]

Not home so can’t show you but I recall reading it adds electricity dmg with gun summon

[coral crest]

It does

All I was saying that 1 is his best tool(with the augment), but his 2 is also extremely good

Anyways I think our conversation kinda drifted apart in misunderstanding

[oak coyote]

Oh definitely

[coral crest]

We are talking about the same thing but separately

So I'll promptly move to something else

[oak coyote]

Happens lol

Since I finished my Hildryn build for now i really want to set up a mirage/glaive build. Looks so fun to play

Does secondary acuity work with Hildryn?

[coral crest]

No, her balefire is weird

It's not a projectile, it's nothing. It's just aoe explosions thrown directly at the point of impact

[oak coyote]

Sadge
Thank you as I love using her

[coral crest]

Like

It cant land direct hits, everything is just aoe damage

[oak coyote]

Knowing that actually helps a lot

Should I also do shield capacity > ability strength? Just because of her augments

[versed harbor]

both are rly important

[coral crest]

^

[versed harbor]

but redirection is probably plenty shield wise so

[coral crest]

There's a new arcane that adds shields from ability str, you might look into it as well

[oak coyote]

I have primed redirection and that arcane maxed

[coral crest]

Then the rest can probably just be str and whatever else you need

[wild rune]

makes me wonder if that arcane has elevated Gale Storm's damage to nuclear levels

considering it adds a percentage of her shields as base balefire damage

[oak coyote]

What I’m using atm

[coral crest]

You don't really need vigor and physique

[wild rune]

er Aegis Gale, mb

[oak coyote]

I had nothing else that really helped me lol

[wild rune]

it was "Gale" over one of the words and I lost the coin flip

[oak coyote]

Might go armor though

[coral crest]

Duration is a good pick

[wild rune]

armor doesn't affect shields

[oak coyote]

Is it?

[coral crest]

Makes the shield drain less and helps pillage spread

[oak coyote]

Circuit

[oak coyote]

Oooh! Thank you. I’ll do that

[wild rune]

if Hildryn is taking health damage, something is very wrong

[coral crest]

^

[wild rune]

-# with the one except of toxin damage

[coral crest]

Hildryn uniquely is immune to toxin damage

[pale folio]

guys what should i choose for saryn weapon nuke platform

[oak coyote]

Not for that. I use armor for circuit runs if I get her

[coral crest]

Nope

[versed harbor]

u could also invest more into range if ur using aegis gale, overextended goes hard and augur reach is decent if u can squeeze it in

and ye hildryn also blocks tox

[oak coyote]

Gotcha. Those will definitely help

[coral crest]

Hildryn has a unique feature that makes it so as long as her overshields are active, all hp damage is converted to shield damage

Even Combat discipline

[oak coyote]

Yeah. But in circuit armor increases your dmg

[coral crest]

Was replying to Naiture

[wild rune]

her immunity is only with overshields, it's not unheard of for one to slip by, she still has the normal overshield limit of about 1k

[oak coyote]

Ooh. My bad

[coral crest]

Fair enough

[wild rune]

could you imagine Hildryn with Harrow's overshield limit?

[oak coyote]

Only time I died with her is being shredded by a cavia voidrig lol

What about archon shards? I have 1 shield and all ability dmg atm

[versed harbor]

strength, casting speed, parkour, shield cap are all p nice

[oak coyote]

Should I go range shards for giga aoe?

[versed harbor]

if there were range shards yes but they thought of that

[oak coyote]

Sadge

[wild rune]

imagine efficiency shards

[crisp merlin]

Which Warframe would you pair the grimoire with? Like, they would be able to use the grimoire only? Outside of Dante

[oak coyote]

Yes plz

[proven veldt]

Guys i need help. What do i mod DIWATA PRIME for

[versed harbor]

for dps or support?

Casters/ability nukers rly like it for support

dps wise uhhh most weapon buffers but ivara can use it for a funny navigator nuke

[oak coyote]

Wouldn’t nokko helminth ability be better for Trinity than her own energy ability because the ability buff it also gives?

[proven veldt]

Its somewhere there with the warframe rivens

[charred mauve]

what would be better boost from helminth, roar or wrathful advance?

[wild rune]

wrathful is better for raw melee damage, roar is much more universal

[crisp merlin]

Ideally DPS. I saw that Ivara could guide the alt fire, but alternative weapon platform Warframes would be cool

I thought about Ash with the boost to crit while invisible, but probably not. I know zephyr could use it airborne...maybe in conjunction with her tornadoes?

[charred mauve]

im making a melee build just dont know what one tech offers better increase

[wild rune]

if it's raw damage, wrathful will be better
status builds, especially Harmony's Afflictions and influence as a whole, want roar because statuses double dip off faction bonuses (which is what roar is for some reason) and the mentioned scenarios triple dip

[crisp merlin]

Would it be better to build harmony for heavy attack? With WA

[wild rune]

no

Harmony is a heavy attacker, yes, using Melee Afflictions

Roar is by far and above better than Wrathful on Harmony, however, because of how faction bonuses work
they trigger once for damage (and proc) calculations, once again when the statuses are supposed to proc to determine final status damage, and once more when Harmony detonates damage over time effects

[oblique agate]

Someone has a good Ocucor build? please

[rocky aurora]

Blast is not good, no

[charred mauve]

going for a crit build so thats why i was considering wrathful but ik roar acts as a faction mod so not sure what one provides the better buff to my dmg

[wild rune]

-# meats please correct me if I got one of the faction bonus applications on Harmony wrong, I know it triple dips though

[crisp merlin]

Is this still true for Lavos and elemental/dot spreading?

[mighty flare]

Roar will always be best lol, Harmony is status dps weapon

[rocky aurora]

Faction damage bonus double dips just by existing on all status damage

[wild rune]

I don't think Lavos spreads statuses like Influence? If he does, it'll triple dip, otherwise it double dips; it's been a hot minute since I've played him seriously

[rocky aurora]

And is multiplicative with status damage multiplier bonus, btw

[oak coyote]

Why is blast bad exactly?

[mighty flare]

Lavos spreads statuses and gives weapons force procs so harmony works

[rocky aurora]

Unlike other damaging elements, blast doesnt scale with elemental damage

Thats also the reason why gas is bad

Stuff like heat and toxin, do

[wild rune]

does gas no longer scale with toxin? am I too far back in the past

[rocky aurora]

So theyre better outside of very niche builds

[oak coyote]

But isn’t blast better for groups?

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-walker-gif-4456070846517955697

[rocky aurora]

Combined elements only scale with the combined element

There's only 1 gas mod in the whole game and its for the Vesper specifically iirc

[wild rune]

playing this game for eight years takes a toll on the memory banks

[rocky aurora]

Outside of very niche builds, no

[wild rune]

always random fragments of past knowledge that no longer applies stuck in there

[rocky aurora]

Like corrosive+blast+xatas on torid wipes level cap but I would never use that combo outside of the torid

[oak coyote]

I’m just curious as I have 0 interest in doing level cap and just do regular sp missions

[mighty flare]

Blast needs external help to compete like priming & xatas and suffers on single target dps

[rocky aurora]

On the best weapons in the game, even modding them badly they'll still perform fine in sp

[mighty flare]

Corroblast works for groups because of corrosive armor strip and enemy density

[proud anchor]

I believe electric is still the best for group dps

[rocky aurora]

But beyond level like 200, even with the best weapons, if you dont know how to stack the right multiplier bonuses then your damage will suck

[oak coyote]

Ah. I kept hearing how blast was insane for aoe weapons

[rocky aurora]

Yea electric is awesome

Id use electric over blast any day

But not over heat

[oak coyote]

So always use heat/toxin?

[rocky aurora]

Not necessarily

[mighty flare]

Electric has easier time scaling while maintaining single target dps

[sinful bone]

does Arcane Persistence apply itself to Overguard?

[rocky aurora]

I wouldn't use toxin against grineer, for example

[rocky aurora]

No

[sinful bone]

why wouldn't it

[rocky aurora]

Ask Pablo

He's the one that made it so it doesn't apply to overguard

[oak coyote]

Gotcha. So bounce between electric/toxin/heat depending on faction

[rocky aurora]

Toxin vs corpus, always use faction mod because of the faction bonus double dipping on toxin status, heat vs everything else tbh

Sprinkle in electric on melee, viral/corrosive for priming, and youre set for every faction in the game pretty much

Outside of specific frames that want other elements

Because some frames have interactions that may work well with something that isn't toxin or heat

I havent played like 25 frames so 🤷‍♂️

And obviously some weapons do more with certain combinations that are outside of heat and toxin

Yea theres exceptions to literally everything in the game

[oak coyote]

I feel ya lol
I mainly stick with Hildryn for harder stuff

[proud anchor]

Viral+heat is a good general use combo in most cases
For melee, electric with melee influence is just really strong for single target and crowd clear

[crisp merlin]

It's kind of fashion frame ish, but one: it would take a while to get a response. Two: I feel like I'd actually get an answer here. Which weapon do you guys think would pair well with this Lavos look? That would actually be viable for Lavos

[oak coyote]

I use vulpaphyla for viral procs

Definitely helps to save on mod slots

[proud anchor]

Then in that case, corrosive+heat is the next best for general use

[oak coyote]

Can’t I use the corrosive slots for crit stacking?

[sinful bone]

seems like truculence has decent synergy with reinforcing stomp

I kinda like it

[proud anchor]

Its not a good idea to stack too many of the same mods because of the way diminishing returns works. Its better to add in a mix of:
Crit
Base damage
Elements

That way you up your overall damage

[oak coyote]

I heard there were exceptions to this rule and I thought crit was in the list?

Or was that arcane additions?

[fierce lark]

panzer isn’t that good for viral priming if things are dying quickly

[proud anchor]

Stacking 2 crit damage mods is fine but not crit chance. But also yeah arcanes also need to be considered

[proud anchor]

How about one of the 1999 weapons

[oak coyote]

If things are dying that fast then viral still doesn’t have a use as they’ll die before collecting stacks

[oak coyote]

I don’t really stack chance unless it’s just the galv mod

[sinful bone]

lavos khymia shotgun skin

[fierce lark]

1 stack of viral is still doubling damage taken, getting 10 stacks isn’t that important

being able to apply the status quickly matters more

[oak coyote]

I can’t really do corrosive/heat/viral though

[proud anchor]

Why not?

[oak coyote]

I wana hit hard and not just see a bunch of elements doing 5k

[fierce lark]

I had this convo yday and viral+heat+roar is better than corro+heat+nourish

[charred mauve]

For a crit melee build what is better eclipse, roar, or wrathful advance?

[oak coyote]

I tried that combo with inaros tornado and learned the hard way

[oak coyote]

So ignore corro?

[fierce lark]

pmuch

[distant plank]

Hello any build for Equinox Prime I need some AoE dmg

[oak coyote]

That’s a lot easier then lol

[torpid osprey]

Between Diriga's weapon and the Helstrum, which one is better for priming Viral or other status?

[fierce lark]

tazicor i think

or just between those two i guess helstrum

[noble inlet]

Question,does it matter which tauron is unlocked first? Like are they Equal in usefulness?

[proud anchor]

Wrathful

[proud anchor]

I've heard zenuriks is pretty good for the buff it gives, I dont know about the others since I only have the naramon one fully unlocked and upgraded

[noble inlet]

Ok will look into zenurik,also the mods can't be used if u haven't bought a tauron right?

The funky named ones

[crisp merlin]

I could try it if they work for him 🤔

[proud anchor]

Correct

[vernal warren]

Going to farm a 3rd uriel just so I can slap 5 yellow sharfs and all of my parkour velocity mods on him

[crisp merlin]

I'll check it out, but I'm trying to avoid guns honestly

[fierce lark]

it’s still too early to tell, especially since they charge pretty slow, but madurai allows for some unlimited range nukes

[noble inlet]

Why don't ya use titania for the speed rush mate?

[vernal warren]

Because Titania is lame and boring

oooooh look at me I am a glorified archwing

[crisp merlin]

Which school would be better for Lavos anyway?

[noble inlet]

That's what I figured ,well time will tell

[noble inlet]

The one with guardian shell,forgot it..unairu?

[fierce lark]

vazarin

[noble inlet]

Yes that

[fierce lark]

unairu is the one with aoe armor/shield strip and psf on transference for 40 seconds, not a bad option either

[crisp merlin]

Vazarin, eh? Which weapon do they get for their ultimate? 🤔

[noble inlet]

One offtopic question as I don't Wana be intrusive and pm you,how did you got that pfp animation of grineer that you have?

[fierce lark]

discord quest for warframe

[noble inlet]

Is it still available?

[fierce lark]

probably not

[noble inlet]

Thanks 😊

[noble inlet]

Now that I think about it,maybe unairu would fit lavos best

He does not have any armour altering abilities

[fierce lark]

vazarin gets a big hammer slam, but i have no idea what the nodes beyond do

lavos has corrosive infusion on any ability, that strips armor

[coral crest]

Lavos does everything Unairu does on his own

[fierce lark]

and heat infusion stripping 50% by itself

[noble inlet]

Ohhh ,soo what's the go to with his elements for each faction? Do we have a guide ?

[coral crest]

I'd say he benefits the most from Vazarin, bc it's extra survivability

[noble inlet]

After strip as well

[coral crest]

Or naramon if you want him to melee

[noble inlet]

So many good options 😂

[coral crest]

Yeah, except Zenurik and Unairu

[fierce lark]

no matter what faction you’re fighting you’ll probably still just hold 4 press 4

[coral crest]

He doesn't need str or energy, he doesn't need literally anything that unairu provides

[noble inlet]

Naramon also would be good for a heavy spam wep no?

Not for light melee

[coral crest]

As I said, everything except these two has good niches

I prefer Vazarin now, it's just comfier

[noble inlet]

It mighty is

[coral crest]

Tbh you want priming

Realistically you'll want to have all statuses on enemies

Or as many as you can

[crisp merlin]

I'll stick with naramon then. Go with Harmony for him, spread dots and cash out with a harmony heavy

[coral crest]

Always consider viral for vial rush

[noble inlet]

An overkill choice for sure 😁

[coral crest]

Non damaging statuses apply twice when infused and vial rush is a LOT of procs

Probably the best way to stack viral on him

[noble inlet]

Also have they kinda lessened his abilities graphicaly? I remember being more flashier

[coral crest]

No idea, seems fine to me

Might be energy color?

[crisp merlin]

Ooo would you prefer a bunch of range/duration then for that reason? I'm considering the augment for his transmutation orb and vial rush around the perimeter of it 🤔

[noble inlet]

Probably

[coral crest]

It depends

Some people just focus on his weapon buffing

I play him as a caster and that's something a lot of people seemingly can't stand doing

Even though it's his core kit...

[crisp merlin]

It seems easy enough, y'know?

[coral crest]

Well for me yeah

But that's because he's my most played frame

[crisp merlin]

I remember the discussion from the other day.

I do wanna main him and he's easy enough to keep CDs at practically 0. I just like the variety of playstyles

I honestly kinda wanna focus on his viral rush and keep him mobile along with the freezing arcane

[coral crest]

Oh it's pretty good iirc

I personally run impetus

Because it's free efficiency

[crisp merlin]

Ooh imp IS good then? I was thinking about it but wasn't too sure

Ah I love that frame. He has an answer for a lot of things

What weapons do you run on him?

[coral crest]

Caster

I barely use him for Valence Formation

It's here because I want an extra in the kit

[crisp merlin]

Well yeah, but I mean you can't go with all slots empty ..I wish

[coral crest]

You can if you're Limbo or Octavia

[crisp merlin]

Oh?? That's interesting...ah, I'd end up gravitating back to the boy 😂

[mighty flare]

caster lavos would still like weapons: cedo, eptitaph, grimoire, etc

[crisp merlin]

I suppose I'll keep the grimoire on him and focus on viral rush then use the alt fire to raise my duration and make more space on his build

[coral crest]

Yeah just priming

[mighty flare]

yea

[coral crest]

And it's not like you don't have Valence lol

Anything with little stacking can be brought to killing level

[oak coyote]

Does exodia contagion work with mirage?

[coral crest]

I really like the new Arcane Bulwark on him

Since you spend so much time casting and infusing, you don't have any time to build arcane stacks

Bulwark with health tank Lavos just gives you the stuff immediately

Quick Quellor pull

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[hexed sundial]

It works with any frame but it’s strong with mirage because of how eclipse affects exodia contagion

Idk how it works specifically I just know it does a lot of damage

[drowsy herald]

Why the hell did you flash bang me

[oak coyote]

I meant her clones

[coral crest]

Quellor alt fire

[oak coyote]

Will mirage clones copy that too

[hexed sundial]

No clones don’t inherit arcane enhancements, it says on the wiki

[oak coyote]

Lame

[hexed sundial]

It would be too broken lol

[coral crest]

Lavos is actually extra good with grimoire as well

Because he spawns tons of universal ammo, and universal ammo recharges the alt fire of the grimoire

[crisp merlin]

Oh that just stacks for free without the need of using the primary?

[oak coyote]

Glaive build it is with her

[coral crest]

Yeah Bulwark needs no stacking

If you run triumbral lavos you just have free 500% base dmg from it

[crisp merlin]

Triumbral being umbral vitality and etc?

[coral crest]

Yeah

[crisp merlin]

Ah crap...damn it, I'm ready to go home and experiment 😂

[coral crest]

But tbh he also has another great option

That isn't Bulwark

[oak coyote]

Making me wana buy lavos prime lol

[coral crest]

Primary Debilitate

Stacks of combined elements start splitting and applying as a separate status hit of their combined elements

Since he got forced procs off Valence

You just grab a shotgun and it's done

[crisp merlin]

Which makes sense to run cedo

[coral crest]

Yeah Cedo is an obvious one

But also EFV Jupiter

High multishot alt fire that force procs corrosive

[crisp merlin]

I think I'll stick with bulwark just for the sake of using scourge for ✨ aesthetics ✨

[oak coyote]

Is mara detron any good?

[coral crest]

It already has tons of Debilitate procs, but lavos makes it explode further

[fervent rapids]

Tenet Detron is better stat-wise

[oak coyote]

I don’t think I have that one

[mighty flare]

no

[crisp merlin]

Hmm...I'm guessing blind rage, tri-umbral, then build for range for maximum skating. Then of course, VT and the TO augment?

I like running the arcane that when you pick up energy, it 100% knocks enemies down for him

Freeze and knockdown for a bit of CC

[coral crest]

@crisp merlin I run this

Arcanes are Impetus and Persistence

Shards are 2 casting speed and the rest are flex

[oak coyote]

How come?

[versed patrol]

i have citirne collecting dust in my arsenal and i want to play her so anyone got a build i can yoink

[coral crest]

You can make it extra punchy with health tanking

[proud anchor]

Yea

[coral crest]

Since you pick up health orbs more

And universal orbs proc it

Sadly it would mean taking impetus off

And impetus is a lot

[oak coyote]

I was just told it doesn’t. I’m confused lol

[coral crest]

Please don't dump efficiency on Lavos

He doesn't need much str

Efficiency affects so much of his cd reduction

[fathom gyro]

Why Summoner's wrath on Lavos?

[coral crest]

Unless you're running him as a pure platform

[mighty flare]

worse stats than tenet detron

[coral crest]

I love my hound. Summoners wrath is a universal faction mod for pet dmg

[fathom gyro]

Ah, gotcha

[crisp merlin]

I'd honestly prefer imp and the freezing arcane for this viral rush build.

I can't remember if the grimoire has a tome for efficiency or not

[coral crest]

If Catalyze doesn't kill, the hound will spread the contagious death

[oak coyote]

Well, is that weapon good then? As I like the shotgun pistol vibe

[versed patrol]

summoners wrath works for pets ?

[coral crest]

Also since Lavos is priming everything all the time, manifold bond constantly reduces cd

[coral crest]

Yes

[versed patrol]

i never knew that

i learned something new ty

[coral crest]

So you get a hound that has all abilities available at all times and with a faction bonus

[crisp merlin]

I need to go ahead and get my panzer 😮‍💨

[mighty flare]

its the best variant, yeah, also gets exclusive augment mod and alternate fire mode

[coral crest]

I find it hilarious that the mod has caliban on the icon, very obvious right

[oak coyote]

Gotcha. Definitely guna aim towards that

[coral crest]

But it doesn't match his innate aura polarity

If you're not a hound freak like me you can probably put corrosive projection

Or whatever the hell you want

[versed patrol]

i knew it worked on frame summons but not pets

[coral crest]

The real ones put energy siphon on Lavos

Just to give it to others

Unfortunately im not real

[lavish orbit]

Brief respite full augur lavos

[ember crag]

if i have 0.68x faction dmg mod that means l do less dmg than not having it right?

[versed patrol]

how should i build citrine and how much forma

[fierce lark]

yes

[ember crag]

thanks thought so just was not 100% sure

[coral crest]

Sometimes if you run a subsume on him and join railjack as a client they might start costing energy

[fierce lark]

your final damage will be multiplied by 0.68, and that’ll double dip into your dots being reduced by x0.68 again

[ember crag]

what is the best riven roll for burston prime

[versed patrol]

cc cd ms

[coral crest]

He has a hidden 50 energy reserve so you won't be able to cast much of anything

[coral crest]

Yeah it's very good on pets. It's basically a faction mod for them.

Applies to all

[ember crag]

i have a decent one but not sure if i should keep rolling as i dont farm any of that red stuff

[proud anchor]

Eclipse double dips its damage boost for the glaive explosion

[fierce lark]

cc cd ms toxin pt, or cc cd toxin pt if you’re doing acuity

[oak coyote]

I was talking about clones using it too

[fierce lark]

fire rate good too if you want to run a low shield companion

[ember crag]

without aiming for anything this is what i got