builds-discussion

[hard dove]

on what melee

[maiden oracle]

This is what it looks like right now

[maiden oracle]

Borkened War

[noble sparrow]

Is it not available anymore or smth? I can't find it on the market

[hard dove]

i dont imagine you have influence?

[maiden oracle]

Nope, Retaliation is the only one right now

[hard dove]

it should be on titania bundle
the pinkish mecha one

[hard dove]

aw hell nah umbra forma

[maiden oracle]

Been looking for ways to get Duplicate without doing Archimedia since I'm 90% sure I'm still too weak

[fierce lark]

also, condition overload is better than sacrificial pressure, and you may want to switch your focus school to naramon and get the node that lets combo decay slowly over time

[maiden oracle]

Yeah I regret it, spent way too much on Sacri Pressure
Won't hear shit bout Steel tho that gives so much

[fierce lark]

melee duplicate sucks

[maiden oracle]

Aw man does it

[hard dove]

blood rush

[maiden oracle]

Don't have

[fierce lark]

i hate to have to say this, but for the most part the only melee arcane worth running is influence lol

[hard dove]

it doesnt work that super well when you have really high cc

[maiden oracle]

That sucks

[hard dove]

exposure does wonnder on gunblade
and affliction on certain heavy spam weapon

[noble sparrow]

found it, it's the raylta syndana

[fierce lark]

melee duplicate forces you to build suboptimal crit stats to proc it, and the payoff is not nearly good enough

melee exposure is great for pure single target dps, melee afflictions is good on slam builds

[maiden oracle]

I see

So what's the verdict for Broken War on this

[fierce lark]

but melee influence + electric focused build for the most part is going to run through all content

on a supporting element you should generally run 60/60 mods over 90 mods

ideally you run vicious frost + virulent scourge and then molten impact/shocking touch

[maiden oracle]

So current setup, great

[fierce lark]

it'll work for now, but you definitely want blood rush + weeping wounds and galvanized steel/elementalist at some point

[maiden oracle]

Already have both gals, just never saw a use for them

Mostly Steel since the I'd have to max it out to have it match Sacri Steel with the set bonus

[fierce lark]

galv steel + blood rush are your crit mods for light attack builds, galv steel is just better than organ shatter

galv steel is already better than sac steel baseline if you don't have archon shards providing crit damage

and if you're running a light attack build around 12x combo with blood rush, galv steel is always better than sac steel

sac steel is mainly for heavy attack/slam builds that want crit but don't run blood rush

[maiden oracle]

So what does blood rush actually do

[fierce lark]

40% crit chance per added combo multiplier

up to 440% crit chance at 12x

when you have that much crit already, the added crit damage from galv steel far outweighs the extra crit chance from sacrificial

[maiden oracle]

O h

[fierce lark]

same reason you want weeping wounds, 40% status chance per added combo

very very strong on light attack builds

(weeping wounds i think is more optional if you're not running influence)

same with galv elementalist, if you’re not running influence then you’re not really doing that much status damage

so yeah umbra forma wasn't the best decision, but it's not a big deal, broken war isn't a weapon i'd invest overly into anyways, it's good going into steel path but there's much better weapons, primes and incarnons mainly

actually, there's a lot of good melees that don't fit either of those

[maiden oracle]

Well Broken War's been carrying me through a lot and I can't see myself getting any of the good good weapons very soon

I've been working towards SP to start getting Steel Essence and to unlock Incarnon, and killing my Lich so I can get an actually useful Kuva weapon, but it's been slow

[fierce lark]

if you've completed the star chart, you have access to the zariman, and you can get the Innodem dagger very early in, one of the strongest melees in the game

[maiden oracle]

Not even mentioning the mods grind

[maiden oracle]

What's its gimmick?

[fierce lark]

other than the crazy high dps and range, if you melee while aimgliding in its incarnon form, it shoots radiation projectiles that can headshot

which you can completely ignore, but it's pretty fun

the spinnerex and thalys from isleweaver are both pretty good

[maiden oracle]

Haven't tried Isleweaver yet, what even is it

[fierce lark]

you get your duviri arsenal selection and you go into a 6 stage mission, you get warframe + drifter for all of them. 2 stages take place in the undercroft, the 2nd last one is always a boss fight against oraxia, and the last boss is the murmur boss (and then again but two of them)

thats where you unlock oraxia, the scyotid, thalys and spinnerex

[maiden oracle]

Ah, huh

Good to know then, thanks
I've been mostly neglecting Duviri tbh

[stray palm]

hey does anyone have a good gotva prime build for like steel path and just general higher levels? mine feels kinda mid

[fierce lark]

steel path circuit is where you get incarnon adapters, and a lot of them are very strong

duviri does suck but it's well worth doing

[foggy bolt]

do you have a priming pet setup

[stray palm]

no not really, i dont really do priming that often
i do have epitaph tho

[foggy bolt]

ok cause currently all your base damage is from gun co thus you need priming to actually have base dmg

[fierce lark]

slow down now

102% status, thats before crux, there's 3 statuses and possibly more from frame abilities

though i would play this with an elemental gun buff if possible

if you have external fire rate (buffs, reinforced bond) you can run elementalist over shred

would cost another forma

[foggy bolt]

[hammer shot]

bruh

[fierce lark]

hammer shot is 80% status 60% crit dmg

[novel bear]

Just move rime rounds to shred’s spot

[crisp stone]

does blade storm proc primary dexterity?

[undone pier]

Rate my builds

[fierce lark]

they'd have 8 capacity left

[novel bear]

No? 13

[fierce lark]

wait im illiterarte

idk why i thought rime would mismatch shred's polarity

[novel bear]

Shred is 8
Moving rime rounds is another 3
And there’s already 2

[foggy bolt]

oof that's a lot of banes and insanity

[fierce lark]

lmao

the racist book build

[foggy bolt]

and it's running puncture which is doing nothing

cause it's a pure electric weapon

[fierce lark]

cod zombies server tag tho so ✅

[fierce lark]

the weapon builds are very sus, obviously multiple banes means you always have at least 2 mod slots doing nothing. additionally, puncture does nothing on the grimoire, and reload does nothing on bows

[foggy bolt]

and the excal build is also a bit rough

[novel bear]

Redirection doesn’t do much for excalibur, and you really want chromatic blade if you can get it

[fierce lark]

i mostly leave the umbral mods on excal to people just not wanting to switch off umbral polarities

[foggy bolt]

and the augment for his 1 is also pretty good

[fierce lark]

even though intensify is the only good umbral 99% of the time

[novel bear]

Also, fast deflection is for shield tanking, while triumbral is for health tanking, generally there’s no point in doing both

[foggy bolt]

oh yea and excal tends to live by being invincible during slash dash

[fierce lark]

crescendo is also not worth building into unless you're using secondary outburst

and even then, probably only on a select few weapons

[foggy bolt]

what's the exalted blade build

[novel bear]

Almost every melee benefits most from influence

[foggy bolt]

yea it's annoying how wide spread influence is but true

[fierce lark]

and cause excal gets innate elefc from chromatic blade

[novel bear]

I refuse to compromise my excal fashion for influence personally

[foggy bolt]

I just don't like how influence feels to use

[undone pier]

It the same build

[foggy bolt]

oof

[novel bear]

Blood rush and weeping wounds are good mods for melees, you can get them from necralisk bounties if you don’t have them

[limber dirge]

Hey all, anyone recommend any fun builds with the new arcanes?

[undone pier]

Ok thanks for the tip

[tawdry swallow]

My current trumna prime build, thoughts?

[foggy bolt]

secondary iraiditate on the ocucor goes kinda crazy and can be really fun if you run blast rad

[novel bear]

Secondary irradiate gets a lot of aoe on a few beam weapons, nukor or occucor
Expertise can get you a lot of shields on hildryn, which can be turned into even more armor with parasitic armor for health tanking
Persistence, grace, and ~8000 health makes you immortal, nidus and inaros can do it

I need to test if bulwark still applies to weapon coded abilities, but I’m pretty sure the answer is no

[foggy bolt]

swap infected clip to malignant force

also id recommend swapping speed trigger for shred

[tawdry swallow]

Thank you 🙏

[foggy bolt]

your welcome

[fierce lark]

trumna can't get punch through

[foggy bolt]

oh shit fr?

[fierce lark]

yeah, it's an explosive projectile

and you can see in the stats screen pt is locked to 0

[foggy bolt]

huh cool

thanks for pointing that out

[fierce lark]

swap out aptitude & vigilante armaments for critical delay/point strike & vital sense

crit good

[foggy bolt]

this is true

[fierce lark]

aptitude vs serration is flexible, you can probably get enough status application to be worth running apt

[foggy bolt]

especially if you have a hound or diriga priming

[tawdry swallow]

Right now I have my tax on priming magnetic, my thought process is have viral/heat to shred health and prime magnetic incase I run into anything with a shield/overguard

[foggy bolt]

ok fair enough id recommend buying the blueprint for diriga from the market as it's an amazing companion

[crisp merlin]

I'm sticking with Furax Wraith, but thank you!
Actually, any recommended mods for Furax Wraith? I'm using the Gaia stance. I'm using it with Hildryn and focusing on her 2+3 with Omamori

[fierce lark]

i would recommend you get aegis gale and play around hildryn's 4 tbh

the entire frame is built and balanced around it

[foggy bolt]

it's quite good especially with the new shield arcane

[fierce lark]

between the sheer amount of max shield you can generate, and secondary enervate, balefire aegis is one of the strongest weapons in the game

[eager charm]

typical influence build i think, incarnon furax wraith is very very very strong

[fierce lark]

there's a very cheap magnetic mod you can buy for each weapon type, they all drop from hollvania

the rifle one is magnetic capacity

it's included as a flex option in almost every rifle build, very good standalone mod

[foggy bolt]

yea the typical influence slam slop plus maybe the amaglum mod if ur feeling quirky

[eager charm]

don't forget enervate bug lol

getting tier 6 red crits on a weapon with base 5% crit chance is very funny

[fierce lark]

enervate explosions very funny

[crisp merlin]

Ahh unfortunately I subbed her 4th out for omamori. I like the idea of her balefire, but I wanna punch things with the big buff lady

[fierce lark]

the idea is funny

unfortunately there's absolutely nothing in hildryn's kit that supports melee usage

[foggy bolt]

you could just use a different config

[eager charm]

to be fair thats what helminth is for

[eager charm]

melee retaliate isn't terrible

[fierce lark]

i guess on paper? it's additive to CO though so meh

it's also not influence lol

[eager charm]

not on the kewl stuff like tenet agendus heavy....

[fierce lark]

thats funny actually

on the agendus you can run both, CO is only 20% effective but it's multiplicative with other base damage

at 2 statuses it's like a faction mod smile

on the topic on relatiaton frames, what about harrow

actually it's half for overshields nvm

[wicked scaffold]

are any of the new arcanes any good on citrine

[foggy bolt]

she prob likes debilitate but idk

[severe spear]

Does Primed Firestorm actually affect Lizzie's base beam?

The wiki says it affects the Ignis but it doesn't mention Lizzie.

[dapper plover]

can someone show me a good nami solo build

cause ive looked ata bunch of vids and my damage is still awful

i dont understand how im building it wrong

[celest sparrow]

does arcane acceleration increase fire rate to bows 2x or no?

[eager charm]

If u want a rly cool spammable helminth for hildryn, caliban's sentient wrath is rly cool cc and damage boost in one

Caliban kinda annoying to get tho unless u got the free one lol

[crisp merlin]

Ooo I DID get the free one lol

[severe spear]

Maybe you could put Firewalker on Hildryn and be leaking jet fuel around the map. Not for viability but for fun.

[real adder]

Guys are the any (somewhat) passive ways of restoring health on a frame with no healing abilities? Preferably one that's able to keep up with arcane persistence, hunter recovery is neat but relying on my dumb ahh pet to hit enemies and not die of a stroke is too much

[severe spear]

The wiki says it does not.

[crisp merlin]

I've been seeing Vial Rush on her too for mobility

[real adder]

Guys are the any (somewhat) passive ways of restoring health on a frame with no healing abilities? Preferably one that's able to keep up with arcane persistence, hunter recovery is neat but relying on my dumbahh pet to hit enemies and not die in a millisecond is too much

[gusty nova]

Hunter recovery on panzer is pretty consistent

Take off panzer devolution though I think

Some weapons have lifesteal such as furis with augment

[real adder]

Oh yeah also maybe one that's not locking you into using a specific weapon all the time (coda hirudo/amalgam daikyu target acquired w nikanas)

[gusty nova]

Furis incarnon is also insanely strong so try that

Magus elevate on operator?

[real adder]

Oh

That sounds smart I'll try it 😛

Thx

[gusty nova]

[fierce lark]

replace primed fury with berserker fury and smite with galv elementalist (if you want)

[dapper plover]

thats what im running and im only doing like 500

a hit

[foggy bolt]

are you priming for co

[dapper plover]

do you have to?

[foggy bolt]

yes that's your base damage

[fierce lark]

uh...are you sure you don't have the wrong loadout equipped?

[dapper plover]

bruh priming is for losers

[eager charm]

do you have the incarnon genesis installed?

[dapper plover]

yes

[foggy bolt]

if you don't want to prime run prime pressure point

otherwise you will have 0 base dmg

[fierce lark]

you don't have to prime, the weapon applies 4 statuses by itself

5 if you have a viral buff

[foggy bolt]

but it very much performs better and more consistently if you prime

[fierce lark]

not really, manually priming is very slow and not necessary, it was more important before when high level grineer had armor in the 5 digits, nowadays everything dies in 1-2 hits

[foggy bolt]

priming pets require zero input gang

they just do it

[fierce lark]

nah i think i know what the problem is

actually nvm someone already asked

[fierce lark]

are you actually getting into incarnon form

cause it's pretty bad without

CO vs PPP definitely isn't the issue

[viscid pollen]

Does anyone know if Melee Afflictions also procs on enemies i one-shot?

[rough ferry]

Is duration need for Gauss prime build for nuke? My duration is 105, eff 160, range 235, strength, 96

[viscid pollen]

Duration is pretty necessary yeah, since you need his 4 active to nuke the best

you can run it without dura, but you might only get a handful of thermal sunders before you need to charge the 4 to 100% again

id slap on a couple of Red Shards w duration

[rough ferry]

Ohhh I forgot about the 4th ability cause I run out to fast that makes sinces now it's been a while

[viscid pollen]

Yeah thats the biggest issue w gauss

Also get Archon Vitality

[rough ferry]

All red right?

[viscid pollen]

Yup. all for duration

[rough ferry]

Also thank you very much letting me know

[viscid pollen]

iirc Gauss' nuke doesnt scale off of strength

but duration, dont hold me to that tho

cuz im not 100% certain

[viscid pollen]

its what makes thermal sunder nuking a lot better

[rough ferry]

I'll just stick to my build but thank you for letting me know that

[rough ferry]

The builds I seen not many people run

[viscid pollen]

yeah ofc, you dont need a max rank archon vitality btw, rank 0 is enough

[rough ferry]

Idk why

[viscid pollen]

pretty weird, ive never heard anyone run sunder nuke w out it

[rough ferry]

But I'll use it thank you though

[viscid pollen]

yeah ofc, nw

[hollow mantle]

Need help with this.

I'm wondering if Ceramic Dagger Incarnon maxxing out Secondary Outburst is better than just using Cascadia Overcharge for the Regulator and Deadhead for the Akmagnus?

I've been going back and forth I actually cannot tell

[novel bear]

It scales off strength
Duration is used for redline

Oh, it scales off both

[viscid pollen]

Really? i couldve sworn it was smth other than strength

[viscid pollen]

ah thats why i thought dura

[novel bear]

Damage of the cast is strength
Status duration is duration

[viscid pollen]

ohhh

cuz ive almost never seen anyone run gauss nuke w high strength

cuz his dura is atrocious

[viscid pollen]

also big recommendation now that i think abt it
run arcane concentration if you have a changeable slot

[novel bear]

Damage of the cast also doubles with each cast when redline is active, so strength isn’t as necessary
But I like strength since roar is so good with thermal sunder

[viscid pollen]

yeah thats true

and kinetic plating is also ass

but arcane concetration might be a really good new addition for gauss nuking

or well sunder spam in general

[hollow mantle]

@blissful knoll Hey man do you know anything about this?

[blissful knoll]

Secondary outburst is the best regulators arcane even if you have amber shards, but you don't necessarily need to be running ceramic dagger for it

Melee crescendo + vazarin 2 or void sling ragdoll also works

[hollow mantle]

Alrighty

[blissful knoll]

Especially with vaz 2 it's really quick to stack to max combo, maybe around 30s?

You just find a room with high density, vaz 2 and ground finisher a few times

But do note, you always wanna consider fortifier

Mesa really appreciates the free overguard

And killing eximus fast

[blissful knoll]

Also assuming you're running nourish, corro heat

Otherwise viral heat

[hollow mantle]

I'm running Nourish Magnetic Radiation Heat

I used to run the Corrosive but after the armor changes it felt like a non-issue

[blissful knoll]

It's not that armor is an issue, it's just that it's still the better status for armor compared to others

[fierce lark]

it's also 1.5x damage against the only faction that doesn't immediately fall over

[blissful knoll]

You're not gonna rely on it to armor strip, it's just a good damage type in general

[blissful knoll]

Yep exactly

[hollow mantle]

Corrosive has been like, the one I've really not looked at all that much

[fierce lark]

after viral it's the second best combined element, if your gun doesn't have viral+dmg element it probably has corrosive+dmg element

even if you don't strip large amounts of armor, any amount of armor strip is a final x multiplier on your damage against armored targets

[hollow mantle]

I don't think I can fit corrosive on my Regulators

[fierce lark]

and mesa actually applies statuses pretty quickly through sheer volume despite the low status

[blissful knoll]

If you're going with outburst, you won't have an issue removing one of the cdmg mods cos you're hitting heavy diminishing returns

[fierce lark]

you drop the mag mod and rad mod for tox & primed convulsion

[blissful knoll]

Lile remove radiation +1 cdmg mod

[blissful knoll]

Nah I'm very partial to keeping magnetic

[hollow mantle]

I use the rad mod for more fire rate but the mag mod has been very helpful

[blissful knoll]

For 1 reason

[fierce lark]

overguard?

[blissful knoll]

It's cos you have so much effective range with regulators

Realistically it's hard to keep enemies primed with passive means

So you wanna fit your priming into the regulators itself

Hence viral magnetic heat is kinda mandatory on regulators imo

[blissful knoll]

Looks fine to me

[hollow mantle]

I hope dropping from 12.5x cdmg to 8.7x isn't too bad a drop in dmg

[fierce lark]

i dont think magnetic really helps with priming, mesa already has 5 statuses with a low SC to begin with

[blissful knoll]

Nah it does help, she pumps out so much bullets

The low status chance is deceiving

She will land them

[fierce lark]

yeah but adding a 6th element when you're already unlikely to hit all 5 statuses before the target dies is wishful thinking

and actually a 7th because every mesa runs nourish

[blissful knoll]

It does, cos it's on the enemies that can actually survive regulators a lil, aka the eximus enemies

[fierce lark]

the only argument i can see for mag might over ptc is that with outburst you're already getting a lot of +cd from outburst so losing 65% to slot more elemental damage isn't a big deal

[blissful knoll]

He's not swapping ptc tho, he's swapping out merciless gunfight

[fierce lark]

oh tf was merciless doing on there

[blissful knoll]

I assume he's using just hotshot + outburst for the cc

[fierce lark]

ohhh

there's no cc mod, i see

im pretty sure the math has already been done on this, and PPG+PTC are both not worth dropping, with or without outburst

[blissful knoll]

Maybe, I'm not completely familiar with the math (this is ninjase territory)

[fierce lark]

ninjase is my point of reference for most builds and he doesn't run mag might

[blissful knoll]

I'm pretty sure he has a regulators spreadsheet

[fierce lark]

outside of specifically for thrax dps

and it's over lethal torrent

[blissful knoll]

Ok that makes sense cos he's outsourcing firerate to arcane velocity

Or whatever the name is

That arcane is so good with regulators

[hollow mantle]

The only enemies I run into that don't die instantly are enemies with overguard that push lvl 280, at that point it proccs a couple magnets and then they die instantly

[hollow mantle]

Arcane Velocity and the Bond mods

I tested everything out

12x Combo, and a maxed Zid-An Uskos

aswell as +374% Crit from Topax shards

Kills a little bit faster

[fierce lark]

yeah hotshot+velocity are pretty much the only arcanes to ever run on mesa

[hollow mantle]

I run avenger instead of Hotshot because I do like to use my Primary weapon occasionally

[blissful knoll]

Weeeeeell there was a time where i tried combat discipline and the on-damaged parkour velocity arcane

[hollow mantle]

and it's got okayish crit chance

That's what Ive been doing :^

[blissful knoll]

Would still recommend hotshot cos it's effectively +75% final cc

[twin osprey]

Whats a good nyx build

[hollow mantle]

What aura mod should I use instead?

[fierce lark]

avenger is kinda dead content these days i think

corrosive projection

[hollow mantle]

Pistol Amp?

[fierce lark]

or growing power

[blissful knoll]

Aura is completely flexible, corro projection is fine, brief respite + catshield is also fine

[fierce lark]

pistol amp sucks, additive with frame strength and pistol damage mods

[blissful knoll]

Growing power is also fine yea

But corro projection is more damage compared to it

[hollow mantle]

Oh I didn't know Hotshot was 300% increase

Wow thats just so much better

[fierce lark]

it's over 500p for a reason lol

(that reason is mostly the fact that it's locked behind a weekly)

[hollow mantle]

I think I'll get it in a million years then

I dont touch the random loadout content at all I despise it

[fierce lark]

but also hotshot is extremely good on uriel too so

it's a fotm arcane, probably doing no favors to its affordability

[blissful knoll]

The use case for growing power is if you run only 100% str to get shatter shield max DR

[fierce lark]

yeah i need to forma out the exilus on mine, i get shatter shield cap without it

strength is pretty bad beyond that

[hollow mantle]

What would be the most strength you'd want to run on Mesa before it gets pointless?

I was under the impression you wanted to bloat it for the damage multiplier on her 4th

[blissful knoll]

You don't want much str on her due to how str scales on regulators, unlike other exalted where it scales the base damage it just turns to +damage mod

[hollow mantle]

oooh

So just Duration and Efficiency?

[fierce lark]

you get the max shatter shield DR at i think 20% strength, so beyond that it's not a very useful stat

[hollow mantle]

My objective with this frame was to be able to take her to lvlcap consistently

[fierce lark]

additive buff to regulators and a buff to nourish's viral weighting

if you want to go to levelcap you probably have to run catalyzing shields and brief respite

[hollow mantle]

I just run Adaptation + her 3

Warframe modding has always been confusing to me

[blissful knoll]

It won't be enough to tank stuff consistently, the way you shield gate with her is catshield + toggling 4 off and on

Due to how catshield works you'll get the full 1.3s gate

[hollow mantle]

This is what I run on her, Archon mods are PURELY because I didnt feel like maxxing Primed Cont and I accidentally sold Primed Flow

I've been playing for ages and I'm still figuring this stuff out

[blissful knoll]

Also, for levelcap you might wanna consider fortifier over outburst

[fierce lark]

i think you can run fortifier on the archgun, not positive

[ember viper]

Not very consistent

[blissful knoll]

The thing is even on ETA levels the status effects get quite lethal so status immunity from overguard goes a long way

And you want it NOW

[fierce lark]

you don't actually use the archgun, fortifier from archun apparently applies to your normal secondary

but i guess jack is saying it's inconsistent

[ember viper]

And maintaining stacks on outburst can be kinda annoying at higher levels no? Especially when the enemies are shredding you quite consistently

[fierce lark]

IC abuse

ceramic dagger incarnon with a riven/crescendo

[blissful knoll]

That part is a non issue, you just stack initial combo quickly with vazarin 2 + crescendo

[ember viper]

Yes I have found it to be kinda weird, randomly I get a burst of overguard from it, other times just nothing

[fierce lark]

i see

[dense crescent]

chat

[ember viper]

Sigh every day I regret not getting that ceramic dagger lol

[dense crescent]

i keep hearing conflicting things, do i slot primed point blank or savvy?

[blissful knoll]

Dw you can do this with any weapon with good finisher multi + crescendo

[fierce lark]

you can do it with any melee, dagger just gets the initial +120 from evolutions

but you still have to kill 100 enemies with your primary for the first 100

[ember viper]

Ahh gotcha

[hollow mantle]

Is this fine?

[fierce lark]

any melee works, daggers are especially good in general since their base heavy opens enemies to a finisher

[ember viper]

Hmm I see

[fierce lark]

that is a ridiculous amount of duration but whatever works lmao

[blissful knoll]

For example i just run crescendo innodem and it takes less than 30s to fully stack max combo if the tileset isn't low density

[ember viper]

Ohh gotcha

[hollow mantle]

Lol

[fierce lark]

actually

the best melee by far is furax(wraith)

because amalgam body count gives you free fire rate

then you actually can just drop lethal torrent if you want lol

[mighty flare]

you dont need this much duration

[fierce lark]

probably still good though just for the number of stats

[hollow mantle]

Check next image

[mighty flare]

it still applies 😭

[fierce lark]

thats still a lot

[hollow mantle]

Is it fair if I don't like recasting every 60s :(

[fierce lark]

if you're not doing levelcap stuff, run the highest level archon vitality you have

[ember viper]

Ahh I’ve been using the furax incarnon, occasionally I hear the ceramic incarnon is better, been wanting to try that

[fierce lark]

it's literally just for the amalgam mod lol

[hollow mantle]

I am open to all suggestions, because I run this Mesa build to do everything, any improvements I need. I take her upto lvl 1000~ stuff alot but I want to go farther

[blissful knoll]

Here's what i run with 3 parkour velocity shards + firewalker

Augur mod instead of brief respite

[fierce lark]

well not literally cause you still need to be able to kill things with it for crescendo

[ember viper]

Gotcha

[fierce lark]

im pretty sure precision intensify is better than umbral, but the umbra forma is already there

[hollow mantle]

Oh

[mighty flare]

like this (using ur polarities) would be fine

[fierce lark]

oh yeah you should definitely put equilibrium somewhere

[mighty flare]

persistence mesa exists too

😔

[fierce lark]

ofc it does

[hollow mantle]

This also procs Corrosive while letting me hit Radiation too

[mighty flare]

archon continuity is bait for regulators

[fierce lark]

the radiation damage type sucks

[hollow mantle]

I use Archon Cont because my Primed one is one rank away from max and they give the same amount of duration anyway

[mighty flare]

modding toxin to use the effect is bait*

viral/corro heat is better

[hollow mantle]

Oh wait for context

I'm using the new Arcane that gives additive non-combining heat damage to secondaries

So it DOES proc heat still

[blissful knoll]

Only real on titania cos dex pixia has so much status and it already wants to build blast anyway for trashclear

[mighty flare]

yk that doesnt make it better than corro/viral heat right

[fierce lark]

so what you're saying is i shouldn't be doing blast toxin on lizzie

[hollow mantle]

It still procs Corro, Viral, and Heat

[fierce lark]

heat is still a better damage type than toxin, and more heat = more damage

[mighty flare]

you dont get the faction bonuses of modded corrosive

[hollow mantle]

It still applies corrosive????

[mighty flare]

you are misunderstanding

[hollow mantle]

Is there some stupid invisible stat if it's combined on the weapon by default

[blissful knoll]

He's talking about the 1.5x damage from faction advantage

[mighty flare]

no its literally shown on ur modding page

[hollow mantle]

That's for explaining the damage type

[blissful knoll]

Like corro gets 1.5x against grineer etc etc

[fierce lark]

half the reason you mod corrosive is because of the very large number on primed convulsion contributing to the other number that says 1.5x damage to grineer

[mighty flare]

the other one too now

uhhhhh

scaldra?

[fierce lark]

yeah

[hollow mantle]

I'll just go with that then

[fierce lark]

also more % means you ramp up topaz shards faster

less heat means some enemies might die before they even get a heat proc

[tardy lily]

I'm trying to pin down an anomalous source of crit that is preventing me from making use of my Felarx. When I pull the trigger I get nothing but yellow, orange, and sometimes red! crits, but I can't find what's giving it that crit rate. On paper the crit rate is 10% and the only buff that might be boosting that is the Cascadia Overcharge on my Morgha, but I've tested removing that and the effect still happens. I'm not running arcane avenger or anything like that.

Anyone know what's causing this?

[hollow mantle]

Is there anything else I need to change?

[fierce lark]

frame?

[fierce lark]

i forgot to swap off hotshot uriel when i was using felarx earlier

[tardy lily]

Mag

[mighty flare]

swap boreals for like vitality and get arcane avenger
hot shot is pretty annoying imo

[fierce lark]

hm

[hollow mantle]

I had Avenger at the start but they told me to swap the aura so idk if it'll ever even proc

[mighty flare]

are you not ehp tanking? you dont have the crowd control augment so getting hit shouldnt be issue

[blissful knoll]

You don't need combat discipline for avenger

[mighty flare]

can you show quick video from arensal to shooting

[hollow mantle]

I just pop into operator anytime I start dying I dont think I've ever used any survivability mods save for Adaptation

[fierce lark]

the only thing i can think of is puncture procs from polarize but that shouldn't be giving you orange crits, unless you have vigilante mods?

[tardy lily]

I don't know how to take video...gimme a sec and I can see if I have vigilante mods on.

[fierce lark]

getting that many crits shouldn't be happening regardless

[tardy lily]

yeah, it's weird. You'd need something like a 100-300% crit rate to do that?

[mighty flare]

if you're actually tanking dmg to worry of dying then you dont need combat discipline

[fierce lark]

what are these two top right icons

[tardy lily]

Cascadia Overcharge on my Morgha (tested removing this, no difference) and Melee Retaliation, on my Syam

[fierce lark]

mm

[gaunt minnow]

This is my stropha build and thats my riven for it. Any suggestions on how I should make it better?

[fierce lark]

adarza kavat maybe?

[tardy lily]

I'm using Nautilus & Verglas. Prime, but that doesn't really make a difference.

[hollow mantle]

Have you tried removing Cascadia Overcharge and reentering Simulacrum

Sometimes my buffs stay when I remove the gear/arcane

[tardy lily]

huh. Lemme give that a try, one sec.

[fierce lark]

that has to be it, nothing else makes sense

[tardy lily]

No change. Buffs are (left to right) GalSav, GalHell, Crux, Melee Retaliation

[mighty flare]

drop the 6060 mods for primed fever strike then mod for viral or keep raw toxin
killing blow helps with heavy spamming

[tardy lily]

build

[gaunt minnow]

Im using vortex plus i have diriga to prime enemies

[mighty flare]

even moreso if ur gettin external priming, stropha doesnt have very high status chance

[gaunt minnow]

So viral on the stropha? The diriga is modded for mag heat so i can make use of casscadia flare and vortex.

[fierce lark]

am i weird or is that riven deceptively bad?

[tardy lily]

(gonna run a mission real quick to see if this replicates there)

[gaunt minnow]

Its the heavy attack effeincy, isnt it?

[mighty flare]

mod for corrosive, have diriga prime mag viral heat

[fierce lark]

it's more the 2 stats on it that are all being sourced elsewhere in large quantities

im assuming if you have an external primer you want to be running CO for base damage, and you want killing blow either way for windup so that's another +120 additive

[mighty flare]

iirc stropha is one of the few weapons where you dont want -imp, other stats are fine ableit low melee dmg

[ornate echo]

yo what are some really good weapons to go for?

[fierce lark]

oh boy

[ornate echo]

foo fighters nice

[gaunt minnow]

Alright, what bond mods should I get as well?

[mighty flare]

momentous, manifold

[gaunt minnow]

Thats bad for the stropha?

[ornate echo]

do ppl still use stropha?

[fierce lark]

heff actually isn't a bad stat btw, IC doesn't have time to charge fully between attacks on heavy spam, so efficiency gets you back up to full combo much faster

[gaunt minnow]

I love the stropha

[mighty flare]

sorta? riven is mostly fine, with proper priming from diriga you'll notice nada

[ornate echo]

compared to glaives?

[gaunt minnow]

Im alr at 80% eff if I max out galv reflex, i'll be over 90% eff. That why i was thinking of getting eff replaced with something else

[ornate echo]

I have my coda pathocyst with a riven I like to use

[gaunt minnow]

Not a fan of glaives.

[gaunt minnow]

I see

[ornate echo]

wow! okay

have u tried the pathocyst?

I went for a weird hybrid crit build and it hits pretty hard

I like to imagine i found it in the garbage and just throw it at ppl

idk melee animosity shenanigans ig

On Melee Hit:
Gain 42% Critical Chance on your next Heavy Attack, up to 420%

[gaunt minnow]

Pathocyst?

[ornate echo]

I think thats what its called

ya.

[gaunt minnow]

Is that the glaive that spawns the little maggots on explosion?

[tardy lily]

/highfive
glad to see I'm not alone 😄

[gaunt minnow]

🙏🏽

[ornate echo]

yes!

[gaunt minnow]

That one is cool but isnt that one based off of how many enemies it bounces off of?

[ornate echo]

idk

theres lots of crowds in hollvania

[gaunt minnow]

I might be thinking of a different glaive

[ornate echo]

I have 2 rivens

I have to experiment what will be best on it

maybe focus more on status

[tardy lily]

ssssssso. I tested on Entrati Labs Exterminate. Struggled to get decent bubble collections, but it seemed to be about a 25/75 split between yellow crits and non-crits. When I was able to get a bonewidow in a bubble it was more like an even split between yellow crits and non-crits, with one orange crit thrown in

so I continue to have no idea what's going on.

[ornate echo]

what did u test?

[tardy lily]

^

[ornate echo]

felarx! I gave the best riven ever for it away...

[fierce lark]

every zariman incarnon, basically every incarnon period but especially the torid/strun/toxocyst/furis/nami solo/hate/magistar

tenet arca plasmor, tenet glaxion, coda bassocyst, kuva nukor, coda dual torxica, tenet cycron, coda pathocyst, glaive prime, falcor, harmony

[ornate echo]

I went for a negative crit build lol

[tardy lily]

allow me to add the Latron Incarnon to that list

[gaunt minnow]

@mighty flare this the result of the build i was talking about. Ik it can be better so when i get the chance, i'll make the changes u suggested

[ornate echo]

ok I wrote this down thank you

[dense crescent]

tombfinger neglect

[ornate echo]

so u agree the coda pathocyst is good!

[tardy lily]

Me too! On paper my Felarx has 10% crit. So you can imagine how confused I was to see red! crits

[fierce lark]

i haven't used enough weapons to give an exhaustive list but im confident enough to state that every incarnon is very strong at base level

[tardy lily]

^

[ornate echo]

yeah I had a riven that had negative crit so I did the 2000% damage incarnon route

[tardy lily]

oh, nice

[fierce lark]

non-crit felarx is the only way to play it

the other final evos are ass

[ornate echo]

50% chance to deal 2000% damage on non-critical hits.

[gaunt minnow]

Is the evolved form of the ferlarx usable or do people just use the base?

[ornate echo]

it was my best weapon! so I need a new one

[tardy lily]

Base is better, dual pistol form can work but isn't as good

[fierce lark]

it is usable but the incarnoff version is better

[ornate echo]

idk ppl usually dont like the felarx incarnon form itself but I liked it

[fierce lark]

however you have to fnagle around with the autoloader perk and it's a slight pain in the ass

[gaunt minnow]

I see

[fierce lark]

or deal with some very exhilerating reload times

[gaunt minnow]

Oh, solace, did u see how my stropha build?

[tardy lily]

saryn speaks truth here lol

[ornate echo]

can u send? ill try it out

ill see if I can get a stropha riven after I get my name changed

[gaunt minnow]

.

[ornate echo]

let me see

im l2 btw

[gaunt minnow]

Im mr18

[ornate echo]

oh nice riven!

k I saved these

ill try it out asap

I've been trying to make ivara work

[gaunt minnow]

Oh, i use vortex as the arcane

[ornate echo]

kk

[tardy lily]

(changed to an entirely different archgun with no arcanes on it, this is still happening)

[gaunt minnow]

On diriga i modded it for mag heat and the my secondary had casscadia flare for extra damage

[dapper sonnet]

I’m stuck between a Tox ms punch through and a Tox dmg punch through riven for sobek w saryn. Does anyone know which would be better to use- any help would be greatly appreciated

[ornate echo]

idk just make saryn do all the work tbh

u barely need guns haha

[gaunt minnow]

@ornate echo my build in action (im a volt main)

[tardy lily]

tested removing sentinel, no change...

[ornate echo]

based volt main. I like xaku and ivara unfortunately

[fierce lark]

iirc base damage has no effect on the damage calculation from acid lash spreading

but i haven't read on or played acid shells saryn in a long time

[gaunt minnow]

Man of culture. Im actually thinking about using the arcgun with my tank/support build for volt

[dapper sonnet]

I see, I had thought that base damage is calculated in with the toxin procs. I’ll look into it more bc dmg calculation is pretty confusing for me. Ty for your advice though

[fierce lark]

(450 + 45% HP) x (1+toxin mods) x ( 1+ toxin mods + other elemental mods) x (1+faction mods)^3 x (1+status damage)

[ornate echo]

pff u can do anything with volt tbh.

[tardy lily]

okay, I've removed everything except the felarx itself, it's still doing this

[fierce lark]

that is the calculation for acid shells spreading with toxic lash/silken stride

[ornate echo]

I wonder if I could have made 2000 plat with that felarx riven...

[tardy lily]

the only clue I have is that when I first pull the trigger there's a burst of white numbers followed by yellow crits, and then the orange crits start popping up a bit after that.

[fierce lark]

either brain off click the one with the bigger toxin mod

or take take the damage one

[gaunt minnow]

Ikr! Thats why i love him. My second favorite frame is limbo, ive been trying to make a unique build and loadout with him that works

[ornate echo]

lmfao limbo

[fierce lark]

because primary blight and galvanized hell already give you a ton of multishot

[ornate echo]

of all the frames you choose limbo huh

what about someone cool like gara lol

[gaunt minnow]

Limbo is cool

[ornate echo]

she can do anything but better

[tardy lily]

I respect this so much and I wish you best of luck 🙂

[ornate echo]

he is cool! but like cmon its limbo

[gaunt minnow]

Dont like her kit tbh

[fierce lark]

bimbo

[gaunt minnow]

I know 💔

[ornate echo]

yeah theres a reason I stopped maining her...

[ornate echo]

bimbo frame when

[gaunt minnow]

They changed her kit and now its weird imo

[dapper sonnet]

I saw this somewhere- is this calculation incorrect for the purpose of the acid shells lash build?

[tardy lily]

Alright, I've turned my brain inside out trying to figure this out for one night. g'night

[ornate echo]

bro i failed geometry idk

gn tenno

[fierce lark]

is this supposed to be for acid shells?

[dapper sonnet]

I think so, I’ll try to look for the vid I found it in

[crisp pine]

Arcane persistance which frame are ideal for this?

Other than nidus or iarnos

[fierce lark]

hard question to answer tbh, basically anyone can use it to health tank indefinitely with some external healing

any frame can get enough armor to trigger the effect with 2 stacks of health conversion, some only need 1, and valkyr can use it at baseline (not that she needs it)

[crisp pine]

Well the magnetic procs say otherwises

And armour reduction abilties

Valkyr is a good one though.

[dense crescent]

oberon my goat

hes who i use it with

[dapper sonnet]

Actually I think you’re right and the damage scales the toxin proc damage from toxic lash not the initial explosion

[steel dagger]

does mesa with the new irradiate arcane work well or cascadia flare with fire crit amber shards better

[crisp pine]

Isn't his heal tad on the weaker side?

[fierce lark]

the only universal source of enemy magnetic is energy leech eximus, and tbh if you get hit by one of those you earned your death

thrax lasers are easy to avoid, and i think ancient disruptors can only show up as true infested, corrupted ancients are always protectors

heat weapons aren't exactly common either

[dense crescent]

yeah, to start, but with eclipse, adaptation, rage, and quick thinking i can tank pretty much whatever i want

[fierce lark]

all i know is i took a rivenless sobek to a cascade fissure lvlcap once and it did exactly as advertised

so im sure you'll be fine with either, just take the one with the higher tox damage number

and proably replace either galv hell or galv savvy depending on which one you took

[crisp pine]

Doesn't rhe acrane apply after damage is reduced by dr?

[fierce lark]

yes

[dense crescent]

yes

[ornate echo]

is this not a god roll for the felarx?

[dense crescent]

but you end up taking so little damage that you can kinda just stand still

[fierce lark]

+slash is pretty bad

[mighty flare]

flare/fort/outburst still top
irradiate isnt the best for most things

[junior cape]

Does anyone else have problems with the steel path interception alerts? Does it fill up with Eximus and not let it complete?

[ornate echo]

that's not the point of the riven with the negative crit build

[fierce lark]

but it's not a god roll unless the stats are all perfect

+slash is a bad stat

[ornate echo]

• toxin + reload + activating that 2000% dmg on non crits incarnon

its synergy with the incarnon

[crisp pine]

Logically you still be taking at most 500 dmg per sec still and would still need to heal 500 per a sec.

[steel dagger]

oh rlly? cuz i assumed that since its essentially influence it would be amazing

[ornate echo]

with a weapon that is constantly reloading

plus free toxin

and bonus slash, whatever

[novel bear]

Influence with lower range and harsher condition

[fierce lark]

if +slash said +multishot and +reload speed said +damage, then it would be a god roll

actually +capacity is probably also a really good roll

[ornate echo]

but getting reload and toxin and negative crit for the synergy is objectively pretty good you have to admit.

[mighty flare]

it requires 10rad, so cuts off huge chunk of weapon that will kill before 10rad, so relies on external priming which makes it less consistent

[steel dagger]

ouh alright

[crisp pine]

Good point although, i am trying look at edge cases as well.

[ornate echo]

just cuz its not a normal "meta" riven doesnt mean it isn't a good build.

[fierce lark]

it's slottable just on the merit of having +toxin and -reload, you can drop infected clip for it

but the other two stats are not great

[ornate echo]

2000% dmg on non crits tho! youd have to try it out

[fierce lark]

if you're playing lazy felarx and running primed tactical pump you can maybe slot the riven over that

[ornate echo]

I could give it to u to test it on

but I have to give it back to my noob friend

[fierce lark]

i understand the build, i have a felarx lol

but the "meta" way to use it is to use the autoloader evo to auto-reload it by swapping

so reload speed is a dead stat

[ornate echo]

its a build u can only use with this riven tho

that's why it's so good

[fierce lark]

?

[ornate echo]

it's so unique you need to use it to actually see how good it is

[fierce lark]

non-crit felarx is basically the only way people use it and it definitely does not need a riven

[mighty flare]

then you're missing utility of foritifer or raw dmg from flare/outburst for a very inconvenient aoe

[ornate echo]

u cant replicate it with other builds imo

[ornate echo]

exactly. its so good it doesnt need a riven

[mighty flare]

so its not good, to say it plainly

[ornate echo]

but this enhances it perfectly

[steel dagger]

got it

[fierce lark]

i blame mhblacky for this, hyping up irradiate as secondary influence

[novel bear]

It’s not even as good as vortex

[fierce lark]

if it were my riven and i actually liked the felarx, i'd keep rolling it personally, and try for one that's -crit with better positives

one good positive and two dead positives are very meh

even if -crit is obviously really really good

the gun has a base cc of 10%, so it's not like -crit makes a massive dif

[ornate echo]

just give it a thought. I can always let u try it out

it's truly a min max riven

[fierce lark]

a minmax riven would be -crit +dmg +ms +element/fr/mag, you're only hitting 2/4 good rolls

upon further analysis, felarx has ass disposition anyways and you'd probably need a god roll to be worth slotting

[polar silo]

hello, am i allowed to share build videos here

nvm i see now
plz rate the build
https://youtu.be/utMokIP50Hk?si=dG0YvsycmgGCrMBE

[ionic venture]

My kullervo keeps getting randomly 1 tapped through shields

can someone help me avoid this?

[fierce lark]

kullervo doesn't have shields

hope this helps

[fierce lark]

in all seriousness, are you running the Volatile Recompense augment?

[ionic venture]

Yes

[ionic venture]

I meant overshields

[fierce lark]

then you should be near immortal as long as you're keeping up 2

as long as you're close to enemies with 2 up, you pretty much cannot die

[ionic venture]

I have a clip of it just blasting through my overshield & my overshield-gate and instakilling me

[fierce lark]

show

[ionic venture]

can I post clips hereE?

[fierce lark]

yes

[ionic venture]

aight posting it here

[lavish orbit]

Well, jade light is exponentially augmenting its own damage

[ionic venture]

going through shield gate i-frames?

[coral crest]

There's an extremely small window when volatile recompense isn't giving iframes

And jade light is constant dmg

So it found space to slip in

[fierce lark]

overguard gate is 0.5 seconds, thats about how long it took you to die after it went away

you were standing in the middle of a jade eximus beam, so yeah

if you try your absolute hardest to die, you can still die, even through recompense

[ionic venture]

rippp, hate jade eximus

[coral crest]

Daggers need to reach the enemy first

[ionic venture]

I made my Gauss immune to everything tho jade light included

[coral crest]

That's just Gauss

(Anyone can actually achieve the same result as Gauss if they use grimoire btw)

[ionic venture]

(I subsumed Gauss's 2)

[fierce lark]

gauss with max battery 2 is just immune to everything, save for a couple elements

[coral crest]

Ah

[fierce lark]

or if you run enough shield recharge delay/run arcane aegis he's just immune to damage period

immune to death, rather. outside of toxin damage

[coral crest]

^

You can also supplement his passive with Fass canticle on any other frame

[ionic venture]

100% poison immune arcane

[fierce lark]

doesn't work against toxin damage, only toxin status

[wild rune]

only blocks procs, not damage

[coral crest]

Toxin dmg ignores shields

[fierce lark]

toxin damage still ignores shields

[coral crest]

The only way to cut down toxin dmg is Persistence

[fierce lark]

which doesn't really make much sense on a shieldgate setup xd

[coral crest]

Outside of straight up invulnerability

[fierce lark]

toxin damage is gonna end up being the reason i buy health conversion one day

to hp tank dark sector survivals on nekros

[wild rune]

toxin damage is the one reason I run rolling guard on gauss, there is no other point otherwise as he's unkillable anyway

-# I have died too many times to running into toxin ancient fart clouds

[lavish orbit]

At what level toxin damage does 500+ damages per tick

[fierce lark]

instead of active gating and then randomly dying to venom ospreys flying into me

[plain moss]

what does the 25% status on these mods do? is it just an aoe or something

[wild rune]

depends on the enemy, some can inflict lethal toxin procs super early

[fierce lark]

your bullet jump does damage if you jump into enemies, these mods just augment that damage

dont ask me what the actual base damage is cause i have no idea lol, but people have built bullet jump nukes before

[coral crest]

At max rank, Firewalker adds a burning effect that deals 375 Heat damage with a 200% status chance within a 3-meter radius as well as a guaranteed knockdown within a 0.75-meter radius from where a player initiates a Bullet Jump

There are identical mods for other base elements

[fierce lark]

firewalker is also a really funny subsume on hildryn

you can be a firefly

[coral crest]

Fire walker... Firewalker

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-thevoices-cat-the-voices-cat-thevoices-gif-10261263063736228754

[fierce lark]

walker of fire

[wild rune]

one of them is slightly more relevant than the other

[plain moss]

interesting, i was looking at parkour velocity stuff to run w uriel but id imagine those only proc on the inital bullet jump

[fierce lark]

nope

[wild rune]

parkour velocity affects his airdash speed

[fierce lark]

his torpedo speed is affected by dodge speed and parkour velocity

[dire flint]

I’m back looking for a decent Caliban prime setup

[fierce lark]

if you equip amalgam barrel diffusion and some parkour velocity mods/shards you can do a pretty good Titania impression

[wild rune]

I only use a single parkour shard for that but otherwise I lug a pair of praedos around and a secondary with amalgam diffusion

I cannot english

[coral crest]

This is why vinquibus is taking a melee slot

[fierce lark]

i equipped amalgam diffusion for a void flood and it was too fast for me lol

[coral crest]

Anti Praedos psyop

[plain moss]

yeah i was about to say i'll unfortunately have vinqubis taking up the praedos slot when its finished lol

will prob throw on a yellow shard or two for that

[dire flint]

Hmm

[gaunt minnow]

Vinqubis?

[fierce lark]

vinquibus

[ornate echo]

should I get vinquibus asap?

[fierce lark]

it's not particularly amazing to go out of your way for

i like that i still haven't gotten into what are probably the 3 weapons best in their category

[drifting hare]

Hate can be incarnon?

[fierce lark]

yep, and it's one of the best melees in the game supposedly

probably the best heavy spam

the one i was referring to was nami solo, but hate is up there too

[lavish orbit]

Isn't hate more light based and his counterpart Harmony more heavy based ?

[fierce lark]

yeah thats right, idk why i thought hate was a heavy weapon

someone help me figure out diriga, seems to be the hot companion nowadays

[ornate echo]

is it?

[coral crest]

it just has an ability that aids in priming

thats all it has on top of others

add manifold bond and it does the job

not as good as a hound would, but its a sentinel so its always near you

[plain drum]

am i bugging or does it really say infinite

[coral crest]

its a bug

just visual

[vocal igloo]

What warframe has condition overload this week for curcent

[fierce lark]

not hydroid

[fierce lark]

is it a good enough primer to where it actually primes things before you shoot them in exterminates and the like?

because ive never actually used any companion other than panzer for the last two ish years

[coral crest]

yeah

i think most dedicated priming companions have that luxury

[fierce lark]

does it have enough shield to use reinforced bond

seems not

[coral crest]

no

only nautilus and wyrm prime have enough

the others will need a link and someone with a big shield capacity

[fierce lark]

can naut status prime or is he just there for grouping? i dont have wyrm yet

[coral crest]

only with weapons and coolant leak

idk if grouping ability works with manifold

it probably does but i wouldnt know

but diriga has a dedicated good manifold ability so

a trade

[fierce lark]

idk if i can function without reinforced bond lol

[mighty flare]

diriga's arc coil is mostly for melees so no reinforced bond is okay
if you care about priming for ranged weapons, then anyway sentinel like nautilus with assault mode + tazicor/helstrum would be better

[fierce lark]

i dont have a burst laser prime but i have a prisma burst laser lol

[sacred egret]

is ceti lacera good like would it be able to perform well at high level content

[mighty flare]

yes, usual influence build

their stance combos are very cursed & evil so dont expect much

[fierce lark]

what im gathering is i should get shade prime before messing with diriga

[coral crest]

Diriga looks like a flying sack of potatoes so it wins

[fierce lark]

(i need the burst laser prime from shade)

unless prisma burst laser functions the same

[old marsh]

A has Sentient Wrath. B has Eclipse/Roar. @fathom elbow exilus is flex.

[fierce lark]

nah bl prime is way better

[old marsh]

U can remove loyal Merulina for DR but u r restricted to her secondary.

[fathom elbow]

thank you such a life saver

[quiet laurel]

a non braindead yareli build in this economy?

tho get that efficiency up

[fathom elbow]

i alr have loyal merulina so it’s ok

[old marsh]

maybe. My main issue with Yareli has been survivability and not the economy. And I don’t wanna ride Merulina.

[placid mesa]

Hampter

[fierce lark]

oh uh

what are hounds good for

i have a few of those

[quiet laurel]

she has invuln when she casts merulina so you can just invuln gate via that and shield recharge

[lavish orbit]

Why bellicose tho, you get more with molt augmented

[placid mesa]

Idk gng

[old marsh]

Ye. But I still keep dying 😭 need something more solid. Maybe I should try Omamori and not worry about dmg lol

[placid mesa]

Thought the things actually counted as that

[quiet laurel]

ye I have silence on mine, yareli do be one of those comfy to play frames so I just go with utility subsumes

since merulina and 1 sea snares scale multiplicatively you dont need much more dmg

[lavish orbit]

Evade ? I personaly use flare helminth pyrotechnics, it makes a great spammable cast with brief respite and get the use on hotshot, besides it does one shot enemies in yareli 4th

[placid mesa]

Warframe try not to make a good build without sure footing and primed sure footing

Impossible

[old marsh]

I slapped sentient wrath for big numbers. Coz that’s also multiplicative. And her 4 too as I recall

[static cradle]

Done.

[fierce lark]

swap vigor out for archon vitality (the higher the better), and add overextended into the empty slot

supposedly summoner's wrath doesn't work with demons, and either way corrosive projection is probably better, the summons don't do a lot of damage on their own

primed sure footed is rarely actually used

[sacred nexus]

is the damage that gun CO gives additive to base damage mods and arcanes? (serration/merciless/deadhead)

[fierce lark]

it's just universally slottable qol

[fierce lark]

in most cases, yes

[quiet laurel]

depends on the weapon, sometimes its additive sometimes its multiplicative

[old marsh]

Don’t need energize when u have fallout. Try battery and drop flow to make room for another mod

[quiet laurel]

rule of thumb is its multiplicative for projectiles

[fierce lark]

sometimes gunCO just doesn't work (like with some explosives/incarnons)

[static cradle]

With out flow i dont have enough energy at the start to do nourish and hollowe ground

[quiet laurel]

it doesnt work on AoEs

only on direct projectile/hitscan hits

[old marsh]

Ye. Have to check builds online or test manually. Which sucks. There should be a line under stats that specifies

[fierce lark]

reading the trumna notes is really funny

[old marsh]

Like max energy or starting energy?

[static cradle]

Starting energy

[fierce lark]

it's additive to the primary fire, and additive to its explosion but only against the target the projectlie hit

then the alt fire, it's multiplicative with the direct hit but then doesn't work with its explosion

wild as hell

[old marsh]

Aah. Best solution is to either have 2 yellow shards or a rank 8 Preparation Exilus mod

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[fierce lark]

people are poisoning my precious nukor with this irradiate stuff 😭

[coral crest]

(mna)

[static cradle]

I em using all my shard slots

[static cradle]

Its just a dam good arcane

[coral crest]

it has innate radiation, it was BORN for it

[fathom elbow]

to much grinding😓

[fierce lark]

no it's not, irradiate sucks!!!!

[coral crest]

well then

i believe in your nukor to forge its own path

[fierce lark]

innately radiate deez

[coral crest]

have you seen my nickname

if you put geiger counter near me youll hear amen break

[fierce lark]

seeing a gun with 5x crit damage not have PTC enervate makes me primed convulse

[coral crest]

but what if they use citrine

[fierce lark]

tbh

my most played frame for awhile was harrow prime

and nukor was the main reason

because it was my only good gun for a long time lmao

[coral crest]

citrine crystals give fixed 300%

[fierce lark]

crack targets primedly

i haven't seen a citrine in-game in ages

[coral crest]

i have one!

though i dont use her with Nukor, i run coda sporothrix instead

[fierce lark]

like straight up i don't think i've seen citrine in one of my matches in months

[coral crest]

5% crit chance will be abused

[coral crest]

i used her in current alerts couple times

[static cradle]

Ngl i just use the nukore with irradiate to prime stuff for my melee (its the one that got released with jade)

[fierce lark]

blasthrix

[coral crest]

i struggle with non casters

(all my weapons suck)

[fierce lark]

what does irradiate do to help with this though? i dont think it spreads statuses

it just spreads a lot of damage once your target has 10 rad stacks

and you lose out on secondary encumber which actually does help with priming

[static cradle]

Id remember it spreads the status as well

[fierce lark]

oh yeah it does

[tight rapids]

anyone got a mirage build? if so can i see the shards

[fierce lark]

i'll say the same thing i said the other day talking about it

the time you're taking to ramp up to 10 radiation stacks is time that could be spent simply killing everything with a better mod setup

[static cradle]

Well the build kills but it all so assists my melee (my nukore has corrosive heat and viral)

[fierce lark]

how does it have corrosive and viral

[static cradle]

Viral from nourish

[fierce lark]

well that makes more sense

in essence though, and if im going off of the build you posted above, it's gonna take you a few seconds of shooting to actually get something to 10 stacks of radiation, cause you have almost no weighting towards it

[static cradle]

The radiation is done by my oberon

[fierce lark]

is smite infusion a guaranteed rad proc?

[mighty flare]

no

[static cradle]

Hollowe ground

[fierce lark]

oh no it works the same as shock trooper

[mighty flare]

however, if ur using oberon then theres no point in modding for corrosive

[static cradle]

Whats that?

[lucid sun]

best amps are 147 and 777 ?

[static cradle]

I dont feal like spaming 4th all the time

[mighty flare]

you also have heat, which makes corrosive mostly redundant

[fierce lark]

547 is the most widely used for general purpose, 5x7 onetaps thrax and x47 clears crowds

[static cradle]

I em like 90% sure heat and corrosives armor reduction stack

[lucid sun]

okay, i used 777 since fortuna release but now i see a lot of single hit oneshots on void cascade stages

[fierce lark]

they do stack, but the additive effect of armor reduction gets lower the more of it you have

[fierce lark]

i think 777 is meta for eidolon speedruns

[mighty flare]

its not

[fierce lark]

oh

eido hunts are dead content anyways outside of needing shards to unlock waybound nodes

[quiet laurel]

7xx so ass

[static cradle]

So what go like heat viral magnetic?

[fierce lark]

corroheat is still good, i dunno why you wouldn't run corrosive, it's just a good damage type

we had this convo earlier

[static cradle]

Idk if i have a 60/60 mod for electric or cold

[mighty flare]

knukor is a status dps weapon, viral heat is preferred

[fierce lark]

yeah but he has viral from nourish

[mighty flare]

run roar --> mod for viral heat

[static cradle]

Nourish for the energy boost and aoe viral

[fierce lark]

he's also apparently trying to use it for priming which is why he has radiate and is using it with oberon, supposedly

[mighty flare]

viral heat roar will be more dmg than corro heat nourish

[static cradle]

Priming is the side job if it wont kill the enemy

[fierce lark]

if you run enervate PTC viral heat it will kill literally anything you put in front of it in a fraction of a second

source:

[coral crest]

I'm very hungry

Source:

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-16729570673879006163

[fierce lark]

i actually think heat might be a better progenitor than magnetic though, with magnetic might being a thing

[static cradle]

Hold on would irradiate spread every status on the enemy

[fierce lark]

when a shot triggers irradiate, it will spread whatever statuses that shot applies

it won't spread all of the statuses currently on the target

[fierce lark]

wait what if you're playing rhino and have both

[static cradle]

So it would spread heat,corrosive,radiation,viral and cold

[fierce lark]

no, it would spread whichever of those statuses the shot procs

[static cradle]

Ah

[fierce lark]

if the shot procs a corrosive and a viral status, it'll apply one each of that to every target hit

[static cradle]

Ok ye i was thinking it spreads the status on inflicted on the target at the moment of trigger

[fierce lark]

if you can apply 10 radiation stacks to a target very quickly (i'm talking within 0.5 seconds) then it's probably worth looking into, but again, a nukor built properly will kill everything you put in front of it in milliseconds

[coral crest]

Ocucor is probably a good recipient of this

Lots of status stacking extremely fast

Though there are definitely better ways to run it

[fierce lark]

ocucor is like...the one gun ive actually heard some kind of positive feedback about it lol

[static cradle]

Its stupid busted

[carmine dew]

irradiate's gotta take the prize of the most cope arcane tbh

its good on like ocucor but wf yters tell you to use it on like.... the dual tox...

or the furis....

[fierce lark]

mhblacky telling people to use it on mesa

is actually making me want to commit crimes

[static cradle]

When will we get a primary verson if this kind of mod

[fierce lark]

primary debilitate has a similar concept, but it's probably more of a gimmick tbh

[coral crest]

Primaries never get fun arcanes

DE is run by a cabal of evil yareli mains

[fierce lark]

crux is pretty fun sometimes

ammo efficiency is just a fun stat but it's never good enough to run

[coral crest]

Debilitate is the first and only primary arcane that is remotely unique

[static cradle]

Ngl the arcane that dis arms enemys with megnetic is fun

[carmine dew]

insane how novaumbral got blasted for saying qorvex was bad but the other yters like mhblacky are allowed to say nonsense like this constantly 🥀

[coral crest]

In a way, irradiate is just a toned down Qorvex beam effect

[coral crest]

Tbf there's a difference between bringing something to full potential and saying that something doesn't function baseline

(I haven't watched the Qorvex video)

[carmine dew]

his qorvex video was kind of stating the obvious

takes too much setup for not enough payoff

[coral crest]

That is true

My personal gripe with Qorvex is that his "optimal" playstyle is just mind numbing as hell

I can't say anything of worth otherwise

I did lvl cap with him(not that it's a good comparison metric) once and he did fine, but it was not worth the amount of shards and forma

[static cradle]

Ngl i Mr warframe guys builds ar peak of build craft

[coral crest]

I just build stuff myself

[mighty flare]

heat mag (valence) with scorch/pt

[coral crest]

Unless someone claims they have a horrible build that breaks everything in a bad way

[static cradle]

Same i do take some inspiration from videos

[coral crest]

Like the "oops" xaku build

[fierce lark]

so that's a no on the heat progenitor

[coral crest]

Best build I've ever seen

Using the most obvious tools in the worst way possible

[mighty flare]

mag lets you flex to different build types while saving mod slot, convenience preferred

[fierce lark]

yeah but you can switch with vice

there should be a roar vs nourish chart for every warframe

[blissful verge]

Good morning everyone, does Uriel's level 4 damage scale with enemy levels?

[fierce lark]

i dont believe so

[blissful verge]

Its by TTK, no?

[fierce lark]

it does 1500 base damage, scales with strength, and goes up by 100% of whatever its buffed damage is every tick (0.5s)

[coral crest]

No, it just deals dmg that scales with the amount of time enemy spends burning in it

[fierce lark]

so it scales up to very high numbers very quickly, up to 10x the damage on cast

[blissful verge]

Heat procs multiplying by 10 with the Archon Vitality, the numbers of Damage got high levels over time, no?

[coral crest]

yeah but it doesnt scale with level

[blissful verge]

Only with time.

[coral crest]

yep

[mighty flare]

it would be roar better for dmg on everything

[fierce lark]

it doesn't care about enemy levels, it just does an absolute shitton of damage

so yes, it'll do more damage if enemies live longer

[fierce lark]

including influence melee?

[mighty flare]

yea

[fierce lark]

thats wild, are you just supposed to run diriga for viral or

[lavish orbit]

Scales per tick only

[coral crest]

roar is a dmg buff, ofc its "better for everything"

[blissful verge]

Unfortunately, Roar makes level 4 almost unusable due to the time it takes to charge without Uriel's standard 3 ability.

[fierce lark]

yeah but nourish is essentially +2 mod slots

[lavish orbit]

But, you put roar on his 1st, not his 3rd, isn't it better ??

[fierce lark]

if you subsume over uriel's 1 you lose the ability to keep up arcane hotshot

[coral crest]

yeah but roar does more dmg so its "optimal"

[mighty flare]

roar is faction bonuses, the best boost you can get

[coral crest]

[blissful verge]

It's not possible to change to other, only to 3 ability.

[fierce lark]

yeah but then what do you do for viral on melee influence

[mighty flare]

you dont

[lavish orbit]

Ah I see, not good my bad

[coral crest]

you forgot that everything in the endgame is a kpm pissing contest

[fierce lark]

well roar vs nourish isn't any different, "which one does more damage" is the only one that matters

they're both damage buffs

[blissful verge]

Viral isn't multiplicative like Roar is; swapping Roar for Nourish means you lose a lot of damage regardless of the slot gain. Maybe just using Roar won't even require you to use both slots for Viral, haha.

[coral crest]

yeah but roar is a faction buff

unfortunately the "meta" is to scream very loudly

[lavish orbit]

Roar does buff your entire build

[coral crest]

instead of saying uwu

[fierce lark]

viral is multiplicative, it's a final multiplier on the target affected by it

but it does have to actually be applied first

[blissful verge]

It's not possible to compare a 325% damage bonus gain from all sources considering that enemies will constantly have 10 viral procs with a direct and multiplicative damage increase.

[fierce lark]

i suppose thinking about it now, most things actually do just die in 1 hit

[mighty flare]

roar will always win for dmg, but doesnt really matter if you want more utility

the major reason to use roar over nourish is for ability thresholds like sevagoth or oberon

[blissful verge]

Yes, but it's totally inferior to roar.

[lavish orbit]

Did you answer to yourself ?

[blissful verge]

I scheduled the wrong conversation.

[fierce lark]

i guess the balancing point is some frames can't actually run roar

[lavish orbit]

Oh I see

[coral crest]

the balancing point is the friends we made along the way

subsume vial rush, become free of your chains

[blissful verge]

I think using Roar with Viral mod slots and Electric on Influence is still better than using Nourish just to save 2 mod slots.