builds-discussion

[coral crest]

It does have one massive weakness now

Violence

The acolyte I mean

[blissful knoll]

Not an issue if you pay attention

[coral crest]

I mean it just disables your survivability for a while in a single teleport

If you can keep up with that then I salute you

But it is a legit hard counter with no counterplay other than "get your shit together and run"

I'm not saying it makes the arcane useless though lol

And since this arcane only really matters when your health tanking is past expiration date, any stray bullet will instantly melt you

[blissful knoll]

Yea it's still turbo strong but now you actually have hazards to pay attention to

[sinful berry]

Anyone came up with a proper persistence build for hildryn yet
see a lot of fluctuating test builds around but i’m not sure if haven is necessary or a subsume slot for smth else

[coral crest]

No abilities, why even bother

Funny though

[coral crest]

I think the only real issue is the fact that shield gating gives you room to outplay this

While health tanking does not

[blissful knoll]

The outplay is cc violence instantly and kill it

It's definitely doable

[coral crest]

One thing is having a single point of not dying quite yet and another is suddenly having ehp of 1

[orchid ivy]

hey gang do we know if equilibrium works w/ nokko's brightbonnet (2)

[coral crest]

No, it's raw energy gain

Equilibrium only works for orbs

[blissful knoll]

Speaking of brightbonnet, brightbonnet rhino is surprisingly fun

You get to spam stomp, more str for roar

[coral crest]

Not saying it isn't, saying that there's no counterplay and it'll be a chain of deaths if there's any enemy density around if you go down

And there will be enemy density

If you don't let it screw you over then sure nice

If

[orchid ivy]

damn okay
thank you anyway!

[coral crest]

It spawns, teleports to you and now you have no hp

Any stray bullet is death

You revive, violence is still here, bullet is death

Unless you're solo, then you have a revive stock

[blissful knoll]

The most important part here is magus lockdown

Since it still affects acolytes

[coral crest]

Can you do it faster than violence jumps on you though

[spare geyser]

Should I give my protea my rank 8 Archon Vitality or my Rank 0 one?

[coral crest]

0 for extra space

Shes got shields for days anyways

[spare geyser]

Just checking cause I mean, I aint gonna be editing the build anytime soon

[blissful knoll]

Does the silence go thru void mode?

Also it's not that hard if you let him spawn on a more open area

[coral crest]

Oh yeah, fair enough

[blissful knoll]

People used khora ensnare on violence pretty consistently

[coral crest]

If you stay void mode then you can do it with magus lockdown

But that's a bandaid for a bandaid

[blissful knoll]

I also kinda think it's a weird nerf but i see quite a bit of people overreacting to the nerf

It's legit not that bad

[coral crest]

Yeah it shows that nobody actually plays any of the health tanks

So much for Lavos propaganda

Not even knowing he's status immune like 99,99% of the time

[near vortex]

no Forma in it yet, getting there though

[coral crest]

Almost all good users of it have status protection anyway, yeah

[blissful knoll]

The worst offenders for this arcane are all status immune

[coral crest]

Not even worst offenders

All health tank designed frames except Atlas, Citrine and Chroma have status negation in their kit

Atlas has iframes, Chroma has cold ward

Citrine is rip on her own

[blissful knoll]

Citrine is invis 99% of the time anyway cos not running dps huras on her is griefing

[coral crest]

Are you not actually shooting your crystals

[blissful knoll]

Why would you?

Companion damage is better

[coral crest]

Oh wait sorry

I'm not good with Kubrow names

But yeah as you can see

Status isn't a real nerf

Its just separating the niche more

[blissful knoll]

Yea it just stops everyone and their moms from being unkillable by using this arcane + arcane blessing

[coral crest]

Also I have failed to consider

We do have tauron strikes now

Aka "acolyte begone"

[blissful knoll]

Oh yea i forgot those are a thing now

[coral crest]

They have invuln

You can just press button and violence is dead

[sinful berry]

mentioned that and they’re all up in arms about the cooldown and the “orbs are never there when you need them”

(regarding lavos status immunity)

[coral crest]

My gender neutral sibling in lotus

3 exists

[blissful knoll]

If they're complaining about cooldown, they're not playing lavos

[sinful berry]

yeah exactly

[coral crest]

Vast majority of Lavos players don't know how he works and just run him as a Valence Formation platform but refuse to admit it

[blissful knoll]

Even weapon platform lavos would wanna manage cooldown to keep roar uptime and get extra elements for priming

[coral crest]

Also lavos has Valence Block

Feature that not many people are aware of

He has cooldown on energy orb consumption as well, and due to that he is extremely efficient with keeping the passive up

It runs out 10s earlier than the passive itself runs out

So you have one hell of a grace period, even 3 can recharge from a raw cast during that

[sinful berry]

the 5s counts down before the immunity wears off right

[coral crest]

Yes

[sinful berry]

Yeah

Was literally wondering where is the downtime

[coral crest]

5 seconds and 10 seconds of grace period

No way you don't have at least one universal orb by then

[blissful knoll]

There is none

Although ngl turning off all brainpower and just clicking harmony is kinda fun at times

[coral crest]

So yeah so far our solution is use tauron

If you are fully prepared(and you should if you are running missions where Persistence becomes important)

You can sure as hell have at least one charge for an acolyte ready at all times

[blissful knoll]

Or magus lockdown to give yourself room to click your gun and delete violence

[coral crest]

Actually now I wonder

I failed to consider that as well

Can tauron strike oneshot a level cap acolyte

[blissful knoll]

🤔

[coral crest]

They DO say

That tauron strikes have some weird damage attenuation bypass

And acolytes have no actual damage cap

[charred gale]

They have a damage cap on base dmg iirc

But its bypassed with crit

[near vortex]

archgun

[coral crest]

Not anymore

[charred gale]

Ic

[coral crest]

Garuda couldn't oneshot them with blood ball before

It hit a cap yeah

[charred gale]

Right

[coral crest]

Now she can

Full shield and all

They probably made it so during that whole "revert the bounty changes or I'll call a hit on Pablo"

[golden plank]

persistence hildryn is not a thing lmao

my mission ends before I even fill half of the tauron charge

so... wtf is the point of it

[coral crest]

Maybe they meant another arcane

The str to shields one

[golden plank]

oh thats expertise I think

[pearl stump]

anyone know what wings are these in this image

[coral crest]

@blissful knoll I have come to say that they fixed magus lockdown

[blissful knoll]

nooooo

well i guess tauron strike gaming it is

[coral crest]

If it deals enough damage up to cap

Vazarin is guaranteed because it just gives you room to shoot safely, but the rest is up to question

[blissful knoll]

Well all i will say is if there's truly a way, people will make it deal obscene damage sooner or later

[rocky rose]

They are the wings from the Halloween event idr the name

[pearl stump]

ah i see

[rocky rose]

I'm sorry no one responded sooner and I apologize for not knowing the name

[pearl stump]

its cool i really appricate it sadly i cant get it

[rocky rose]

It'll be back in October

[pearl stump]

gotcha

[dusty cypress]

@raw latch

You can use whatever you like instead of atlas helminth and it's augment

[raw latch]

I only have Equilibrium😢 😢

[dusty cypress]

Health conversion is pretty hard to farm, it's from Simaris cepahlon, you can replace Prime flow by Flow

[raw latch]

Yeah and blind rage too

[dusty cypress]

Despoil is a must, you can find it in the red veil syndicate if i'm right (I will double check that), Blind rage and Overextended are in deimos you must to do orokin vault to get them

Adaptation is from arbitration

you can buy it with Vitus Essences

[zealous dune]

how tf do you build the sagek

[raw latch]

Ty so much man for these information ♥️

[dusty cypress]

Yw

[dusty cypress]

sobek ?

[zealous dune]

sagek prime

the new pistol

[dusty cypress]

Oh, I didn't test that pistol tbh

[ivory lava]

Was something changed regarding the Tenet Arca? Went from doing stupid numbers and oneshotting just about everything, to now taking multiple shots to kill rank and file in SP.

I'm in mission, but I'll link build when I can

[dusty cypress]

It has a pretty descent crit chance and crit damage with a cute amount of 12.33 fire rate, so go for crit, multishot and more fire rate, you might give it a shot with Yareli Prime

[zealous dune]

What to do with it's unique trait though?

I was excited for a gotva secondary and it kinda sucks atm

[dusty cypress]

Play secondary emcumber it will synergize with it

And galvanized shot for more status chance

[zealous dune]

I don't think shot will do much here...

[dusty cypress]

Let me try in the simulacrium, I will keep you updated

[charred gale]

💀

[charred gale]

galvanized shot will give damage if ur pairing it with encumber tho

oh and the passive as well

[dusty cypress]

I think you can cumulate the unique trait

[versed fossil]

Sometimes when running fissures I see folks using some sort of Sunder Razorwing Titania and my reaction is "how is that so sustainable?" cause they're going fast and frequently dropping Thermal Sunder and I don't know how they're keeping up the energy for both that and Razorwing.

[blissful knoll]

it's because it's not sustainable, not for anything other than low level rift speedruns anyway

[dusty cypress]

I've got this at this moment, after testing the gun

The problem is, the gun eats a lot of ammo in a short amount of time, so I need to put an exilus mod to fix that

I also used the brand new arcane to deals aoe damage instead of single target damage

[midnight horizon]

Secondary irradiate?

[dusty cypress]

Yep

[midnight horizon]

Speaking of which

[dusty cypress]

It's like Melee influence but with radiation

[midnight horizon]

Does the AoE also carry over crit stats and status, so like it can proc it's own statuses?

[dusty cypress]

Yep, because if I crit the target I'm shooting and if it has 10 stacks of radiations it will do the same for newbie enemies

The max rank of the arcane allow us to have a 7 meters aoe damage

[midnight horizon]

So it essentially just copies the instance of damage you dealt to the initial target, to everyone around them within 7m, while it's getting multiplied by 2.8x?

Sounds a lil too strong

[dusty cypress]

It makes 80% of the damage instance and it has a chance to apply the unique trait too

[midnight horizon]

I thought it says it gives +180% damage to the AoE, meaning it's a 2.8x from the original hit, no?

But anyway, the main focus is that the AoE itself can also proc crit and status apparently

Crazy arcane ngl I'm putting it on uhhh uhhh ocucor immediately.

[dusty cypress]

Yeah, the build will be kinda crazy to make

I need to do some more test with a higher flat damage, or faction damage

[cosmic nexus]

Imperator vandal vs mausolon for perita rebillion boss?

[dusty cypress]

Use mausolon

[cosmic nexus]

I understand mausolon is better one but while playing the boss felt imperator was faster for him

Coz of high fire rate dashing out more dps on the bos, let me know if u have tried both, whats ur opinion

[dusty cypress]

You can do something like this

[dusty cypress]

Cold damage is a must to trigger frostbite arcane, and secondary enervate to increase a bit more your crits and crit damage

[carmine dew]

wheres the cold damage on yours 🤔

[cosmic nexus]

Same doubt 😂

I checked the photo twice

[carmine dew]

yeah i dont think frostbite works with the mausolon actually

it has innate heat so cold is going to combine with it

[dusty cypress]

Here it is, I didn't figured out that I had polar magazine on it

[cosmic nexus]

Did u try same stuff with imperator once, if u didn't i highly recommend just once and let me know ur finding. I can totally be wrong but I felt i death more dmg with imperator

[carmine dew]

ah yeah that works

[dusty cypress]

I removed polar magazine to fix the status

[severe spade]

was building gauss as weapon platform using tenet glaxion.which shards are recommended and which stat?

[cosmic nexus]

Yeps got it i am saying just to try same build with imperator once and let me know what u noticed

If it shreads faster or slower

[dusty cypress]

What's your imperator build ?

[cosmic nexus]

Idk tbh i am not in game right now

Just got up

I will send once i am back in the game

[dusty cypress]

Yep

[cosmic nexus]

its probabbly years old imperator build i must have made

[dusty cypress]

I see

Can you unlock the secondary arcane slot ?

[cosmic nexus]

Yeps

I am just now seeing my imperator build coz u asked for it, i dont even remember opening it in the last 1 month since iccame back from break 😂

I dont have frost bite will have farm/buy it

[dusty cypress]

40 for the fire rate is really good

[cosmic nexus]

Yeah thats y i guess it outgunned the mausolon

With all the boss dmg reduction and stuff in consideration

But also my mausolon arcanes were not the best

this is the mausolon i had

[dusty cypress]

I wonder if the perita boss has weak points to his head

[cosmic nexus]

Not sure but I guess it does if u hit around the eye on the head i remember i saw more dmg numbers popping

[dusty cypress]

Maybe cascadia flare, because it boost a lot your damage when you deal heat effect

[cosmic nexus]

The wiki page for that boss isn't ready yet right?

Sad that we have to go through 12 min before we can test stuff on him right now

[dusty cypress]

let me check

[cosmic nexus]

I think there is

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Hunhullus

Well its mostly empty still

[dusty cypress]

Before the hotfix I could armor strip it, now it's immune to that

[cosmic nexus]

Yeah that patch came day before yesterday

It surely got much tankier after that hotfix

I was solo Killing him in archwing within 2 sec before that hotfix

[cosmic nexus]

With this

[glass jewel]

Does multishot not work on the Coda Pox? It only ever throws one at a time no matter what i do

[cosmic nexus]

Sry maybe 5 not 2 😂

[dusty cypress]

Yes and no, for the first phase it's pretty fast to do, but the archwing can be a bit slower (there's still some bugs, like being stuck and take a lot of damage without the possibility to dodge it)

[cosmic nexus]

He was a literal joke before that patch

[cosmic nexus]

Use amesha

[dusty cypress]

wym

[dusty cypress]

I will test

[dusty cypress]

I didn't figured out but it seems good, I just need to make a descent build

[cosmic nexus]

Just slap 1 efficiency and duration mod

[dusty cypress]

Multishot works with the coda po, I tested it

[cosmic nexus]

It will still be enough literally

[dusty cypress]

I mostly used the itzal, but more for eidolon utility

[cosmic nexus]

But tbh i never had that survival issue even without amesha skills, but yeah that bugs mess u up sometimes

[cosmic nexus]

Same

The 3rd comes in handy haha

For Eidolon and PT

[glass jewel]

Why is it only throwing a singular projectile?

[cosmic nexus]

But i yesterday used amesha when i had to forma & max my mausolon, and dude even mesmer skin is scared of amesha

[dusty cypress]

It' might be the visual of the weapon, you might want to check damage instances

[cosmic nexus]

If only amesha was accessible in eda lol

[glass jewel]

I tried to but its difficult to visually see with all the innate toxin procs ticking at the same time

[cosmic nexus]

Even noobs cannot die with amesha 😂

[dusty cypress]

What's your build ?

[dusty cypress]

I definitively need to give it a shot

[cosmic nexus]

Its best for high lvl rj content & offcourse this new boss

Even though it had no attack skill

With its first ability u can make everyone eose in ur team immune to dmg aswell

[dusty cypress]

Mesmer skin will be affraid of my rhino

[midnight horizon]

Does valence formation count as an ability? To trigger radiation fallout

[dusty cypress]

You mean in coda/kuva/tenet weapons ?

[fallen canyon]

any uriel build?

[midnight horizon]

I mean if I use that lavos augment mod to give radiation dmg to my weapons, then if I trigger radiation using those buffed guns, will it count towards triggering arcane radiation fallout

[dusty cypress]

I think that works, you may give it a try in the simulacrium to get sure

[midnight horizon]

Alrighty

Also, persistence still works if it's only temporary armor right

[near vortex]

Yes

[orchid orbit]

k i have triumbra and three augments on lavos with impetus and persistence on arcanes, what do i put in the last two mod slots

[near vortex]

Kubrow or nah

If Kubrow: mecha set
If not Kubrow: more strength or duration

Range actually

Probably should have range on there

[drowsy herald]

is it possible to increase the voidrigs armor to over 1000?

[solar dust]

Any weapon recommendations for wisp? I like AoE nuking a room with her fire rate buffs but im getting bored of the torid

[coral crest]

It works with temp armor, but your shields get erased regardless if you match the threshold

[midnight horizon]

Yeah that part doesn't matter to me. Thanks tho

[hoary vault]

as an mr11 player is there prime mod worth getting from baro?

[night crescent]

Tenet Envoy, Kuva Bramma, Kuva Tonkor are pretty good but it may not be the best for steel path

[night crescent]

it's mainly melee mods this week, if you use melee the primed toxin mod is good

[midnight horizon]

So a 2.5k hp + persistence just means you have at least 5 seconds of gate right

[coral crest]

it means you have 4

last 500 will just kill you

[midnight horizon]

More specifically 2502

[coral crest]

then its 5 seconds yeah

[midnight horizon]

Aight bet

Should be good enough for me to react quickly lmao

[midnight horizon]

@latent adder hey man sorry to bother but I wanna ask cuz you prob already tested it, does secondary irradiate's AoE also inherit the crit and status stats of the initial hit, so that it can proc its own crit/status

Asking for a second person verification

[worldly brook]

I am thinking about sloting in drifting contact instead of organ shatter and need advice if blood rush or gal steel is better?

[abstract wolf]

Acceltra, only if you have breach surge and that mod the coverts secondary ammo to primary.

U basically abusing breach surge

[mint sparrow]

My build while still violaating enemies

[lofty path]

Oh boy!

[deep edge]

does anyone has a tektolyst build for maximum amp damage per shot?

[hard dove]

is the new prime secondary

[karmic atlas]

I stopped playing right before 1999 launched. Any MAJOR rule changes I've missed? Like do damage types still do the same thing? Etc.

[spare linden]

The 4 main ones i can think of are

Exalted weapons and pseudo exalted were revamped and can use arcanes
Archguns can use arcanes
Damage attenuation was heavily changed, with a lot of enemies no longer have it
Operators can now use "tauron strikes" which got their own mods and arcanes

[severe bough]

Secondary

[spiral chasm]

Another main one is wisp protoframe. Impacts a lot of gameplay

[velvet pulsar]

There's no gameplay

[severe bough]

All those wisp simps in chat🥀

[prime stump]

Recommendations to make this any better

[velvet pulsar]

Yes, turn off blue light amplifier.
Your eyes will get better, your gameplay will automatically get better.

Jokes aside, u gotta tell what's the riven stats

[prime stump]

😭

[dusty summit]

So I'm thinking I'll get the Unairu Tek weapon next. between the overgaurd stripping mod, the bonuses to amp damage and the Unairu skills I should be able to strip anything and kill it in no time at all to self res myself whenever

[velvet pulsar]

Looks fine
What's the melee arcane?
Duplicate?

[prime stump]

Melee retaliation

I don’t got anything better

[haughty pagoda]

Looking to improve my rumblejack build, I use roar often enough that I don't think I should use a smite mod, but idk which to use in the last slot because of that
Riven is Range+Speed

[lofty path]

Doesn't it take time before new weapons drop rivens?

[midnight horizon]

I imagine Primary Overcharge would be pretty OP on Harrow.

[versed harbor]

ik it has crap crit stats but you could probably still just do blood rush and then swap either reach or berserker for galv steel

still a big increase esp if u already have roar / refuse to use smite

[dusty summit]

Nope, the second the weapon drops you can get it from rivens. already have a Vinquibus

[haughty pagoda]

Leaning more towards dropping bers, probs just use it on ivara to take advantage of crepu for some extra flat cd, extra forma which is fine enough ig, still got some after all this

[versed harbor]

ye sounds fun

other option is like a gas elec thing ig

but not rly that different it just benefits amalgam argonak more

[haughty pagoda]

Didn't think that would even work with melee influence, thanks for that idea, I'll try both as it wouldn't be different in polarities (and have to wait till tomorrow for the gas route as I don't have an argonak, but had all the materials for it)

[compact hill]

any suggestiolns on what i can do to increase the damage on this one?

[rich glacier]

Do I need to fill my entire shield for catalyzing shield gating or is 1 shield enough for 1.33?

[drowsy pelican]

Is subsuming marked for death over thurible a good idea

[severe bough]

Yes

Its consider a bug

U can just have 1 point of shields and get the full duration

[inland quartz]

Can someone help me get more multishot, im struggling to figure out how to get to "infinite +1"

[velvet pulsar]

U have been pranked

[inland quartz]

Looks good to me

[thorny wagon]

yall think i should go for a fat ahh melee build with kullervo or voruna or a gun platform build with either saryn or harrow

[velvet pulsar]

Melee

[compact hill]

it crits a lot less than i want it to

[versed harbor]

are u building and maintaining combo? thats all that matters rly

[compact hill]

im building combo but its hard to maintain when i wipe out the entire lobby and the enemies takes time to come

the combo goes away

[versed harbor]

u have combo duration from dex arcanes / naramon etc?

[compact hill]

whats that?

[crimson osprey]

Ahh means ass right? You can say ass

[thorny wagon]

Ok then should i go for a fat ass melee build or a weopon platform one

[carmine dew]

saryn 🥰

saryn ogris and saryn sobek are my boos

[oblique jolt]

anny suggestions on a uriel build for someone who definitely isnt even close to endgame?(still in novice ranks)

[marble moat]

Really don't think I can make this any better

[novel bear]

What’s the riven?

[marble moat]

Not that great but its.
+160% Heat
+196% CD
-54% MS

[novel bear]

There’s probably something better than hunter munitions
Serration, shred, or gilded truth

[marble moat]

Got it

[severe bough]

Cyte ogris build ?
Progi cold/elc to make mag or coro I assume almost same build as zarr and bramma cyte?

[strong quest]

Hey folks question, does Archon Vitality affect Uriel's heat infusing runes? Will that double the heat proc application through weapons?

[novel bear]

Haven’t tested it, but I would guess no, weapon buffs and archon mods usually don’t interact

[severe bough]

Normally it shouldnt work

[strong quest]

I want to introduce Circumvent into this build and im primarily focusing on using Vinquibus with him, but I dont wanna remove hot shot and I want as much strength as possible, so i was considering changing Vitality for a strength mod so i can swap out augmented

[strong quest]

Okay so for the purposes of weapons platform uriel, Archon Vitality isnt all that good. Thanks folks!

[severe bough]

U can change arch vit to primed flow and predirection to trans fortitude swap streamline to umbral int and fleeting to rolling guard

And if u go platformer as u said u should subsume his 4 over it messes with heat calcs

[dense harbor]

which should i take ??? I am really not sure

[fathom sky]

Neither are particularly outstanding, would go right

[dense harbor]

nvm any questions

wish it was crit damage but ill take it

[sand marlin]

Does anyone have a Uriel and Vinquibus build yet?

[next fossil]

Yes, build for range and duration, that's it

[errant pilot]

Should i put stretch on Valkyr or not needed?

[quiet laurel]

what is that build

[errant pilot]

It kinda works

It kinda helps ripline but I think it will be redundant when enemise are grouped up anyways

im trying out the new Arcane too

[hushed meadow]

which archon shards should i use on volt weapon platform for xoris?

[rapid breach]

Hey there folks. What's the best between having high flat crit multiplier (in weapon X10 crit dammage), or having higher crit chance to get higher crit tier (pushing higher than 150% crit chance in weapon)?

[hallow yew]

Hello, can Uriel's spin proc the Firewalker Eximus mod?

[fathom sky]

Well generally you never slot in more than one mod of any stat anyway, so that's not really a decision you often make or worry about. There's just too many different multipliers from other mods that you don't have the room 99 times out of 100.

When you do, more crit damage. Always. Crit Damage is far harder to get than Crit Chance from random sources

[strong quest]

That is a whooole different playstyle to the kind i wanna play, and using rolling guard as the survival tool seems so jank, i never understood why it was so liked

[fathom gyro]

Removing status keeps you alive pretty good

[severe kettle]

My current build for Uriel, I can deal a decent amount of damage with the ability so I'm happy with the build at the moment, though honestly any feedback would be appreciated, I already plan on adding power drift for the exilus mod for extra ability strength

[strong quest]

I mean yeah, but the invulnerability only lasts 3 seconds and the whole thing has a higher cooldown than its duration. Sure its just a couple of seconds but like, anything can happen in that time. And circumvent kind of helps prevent statuses no? If you get Overguard anyway

[strong quest]

Ok that is a very interesting build. Honestly with the amount of power strength you have, change energy nexus for something else, anything you want, cause the moment you kill someone your minion marked (And they mark very often) you will refill the entirety of your capacity.

[mighty flare]

you dont need fleeting/streamline or primed redirection because he refills his shields into overshields and has orb generation
if ur doing ability dps with archon vitality, wouldnt recommend heat dps weapons

[left kindle]

is a multshot or acuity build better for the stahlta

[mighty flare]

multishot

[strong quest]

Actually scratch that, change Nexus for Equilibrium

You will get like 3 times your max energy's worth just from the health orbs

[crimson osprey]

Both melee

[severe kettle]

That was a planned swap I was gonna make, just need more Omni forma. Also gonna probably swap my two red archon shards from ability duration to ability strength since you barely get any extra time

[golden plank]

people are saying crux builds can be switched to debilitate instead

[strong quest]

None of my weapons have heat as a standalone stat (when using them on uriel), Archon Vitality is only there on the 4 using build, and isnt it better to have redirection for additional Shield gate duration? Although i guess it is a minor increase in duration

[uneven field]

Okay so, should I use fervor or malignant force in that bottom right slot?

[mighty flare]

theres cap and you reach it without redirection so its literally wasting a slot

[strong quest]

Do overshields contribute to the shield gating cap? Cause if it doesnt then More max shields do contribute to its duration a bit

[left kindle]

would multishot still be the best if i just wanna use it as an acolyte/demolyst/lich killer

and use my secondary for mob clearing

[fading bluff]

has anyone tried Arcane Circumvent on Gyre yet? I feel like it could help her survivability, especially since i roll with her a lot.

[mighty flare]

yes, for years now

[dire zenith]

if im running melee as my main weapon, what support weapons are there in the primary slot?

[fathom sky]

Bubonico ig for priming, the secondaries are often more useful for priming

[near vortex]

Bubonico, Cedo, Paris Prime, Afentis, Scourge

What melee is it?

Daggers can do Argonak, sword and shield can do Javlok I think

Nikana can do Daikyu

[fading bluff]

Oh lawdy Arcane Circumvent steals Overguard (up to 10k max, which stays even after the timer runs out) AND armor strips

[urban ice]

what is the best melee in the game rn and i know its preference but is anything broken rn

[fading bluff]

yeah basically it's the arcane Influence that does the magic on melees to a degree it's basically fashion now, lol

although i heard that Hate Incarnon with that one augment mod is really good

[near vortex]

hate
Ceramic Dagger
Nami Solo
Magistar
Arca Titron
Dual Ichor
Falcor/Xoris

[mighty flare]

yea

theres was a moment of multiacuity, but its gone

[left kindle]

i see, thanks a lot fam

[gray garden]

my grendel build, i think i cooked, lots of armor and hp, 417% strength with arcanes and infinite energy (and cool augment)

[deep grotto]

What's the zaw combo for profit taker again?

keewar, bokwin, and what??

bruh

thanks automod, that's not what i was saying

[ionic kettle]

Friend gave me the Soulframe sword skin and then I realized I don't actually use longswords... So uh... What even is a good sword to use this on?

[hidden hull]

do i do a build with multishot or acuity?

cuz like i know its sorta a sniper, but idk if i feel like playing it like a sniper

maybe something like this?

[hidden hull]

1.2m on headshots counting with priming and other stuff

[mighty flare]

multishot, add a heat mod

[hidden hull]

3.4m on headshots counting with priming and other stuff

[hidden hull]

ig i'll remove serration since i already have merciless

still kinda suboptimal to me... i think i'm doing something wrong

[muted palm]

Anyone tried alternox prime? If so how does it compare to base

[mighty flare]

put mag capacity over bane

[north marlin]

should i run galv savvy on my incarnon strun if i use debilitate even tho its not mult gunco

[hidden hull]

idk man, i don't usually run bane on my weapons

[brittle smelt]

How does the duration arcane even work?

[hidden hull]

sure its good but i wish i could build something that doesn't rely on it

[deep grotto]

I guess you’d either use it on b.war or skana

[mighty flare]

i literally said what you replace it with

[hidden hull]

ah i thought you said to take off my magnetic mod and put bane

[severe bough]

Balla

[hidden hull]

i'll put some omni formas just to check this weapon more

i feel like it has potential but i haven't been able to see it yet

tldr i'm having skill issue

[stray depot]

any good builds for the new weapon?

Vinquibus?

[icy mountain]

I’ll be blunt because I’m at work rn, but does anyone got a decent Onos build?

I want to like this weapon, have it built for headshot crits, but it’s… rough.

[smoky sable]

I'm broke and need budget builds for everything so, how's this?

[spare island]

hey guys i wanted to ask if anyone got a single target weapon that has a similar playstyle to using the kuva sobek with saryn.

im looking for a weapon that is single target that whenever i kill an enemy it nukes anyone near it. if anyone got some suggestions for a weapon like that pls ping me. thanks!

[slender vector]

Should I use Galvanized Steel or Sacrificial Steel for a crit focused Venato?

[pseudo lodge]

What tektolyst should I get first the hammer or the sword or the book?

[slender vector]

I’ve heard the sword is great because it duplicates your melee swings, not sure about the others

[severe bough]

Light spam galv steel
Heavy spam saci steel

[scarlet slate]

Anyone got any fun ideas for Wisp helminth over her 4? I currently have roar but have grown a little bored of it. Considering using Wrathful Advance with some purple melee shards but any other ideas would be neat

(no gloom)

[deep grotto]

More accurately creates a bunch of little swords that follow allies around and stab evil guys

[severe bough]

Nourish eclipse

Xatas

[quasi citrus]

is the knell (prime) any good?

i have it for eda and i wonder if a headshot build is actually good

seems like the vesper is just better in every way tho

[severe bough]

I didnt used vesper or knell but think vesper is probably better

[cunning finch]

between nukor and epitaph which one should i pick for priming and how should i build them

[wild rune]

I believe knell is higher DPS but the vesper is far more forgiving

don't quote me on that though, I still need to go and actually build my vesper

[fresh surge]

epitaph imo

[mossy juniper]

i feel like equalibrim isnt a mod that URIEL needs, am i wrong?

[cunning finch]

he doesnt really need it but its really comfy to run on him for pure cast spam

[severe bough]

He got more value from it its good

But if u dont wanna use the mod

Use shards

[mossy juniper]

yeah its what im running, i feel like im not doing alot of damage

[wild rune]

Does he truly need it? No
He's still one of the single best equilibrium users simply because of how many orbs Gulphagor spawns

one kill from that bat is a full energy meter

[mossy juniper]

yeah i notticed

ill be changing out the arcanes for bellicose and camisado

once i hit max rank

[wild rune]

camisado is really only useful for the movement speed
Gulphagor is the only one that does damage to benefit from the arcane, I don't believe the chain one triggers it

[mossy juniper]

then what are good arcanes? im new to arcanes TBH

[wild rune]

I use Hot Shot and Augmented, but I use a caster Uriel so I've considered dropping Hot Shot
it is useful if I need to quickly dispatch something before I can cast Brimstone though

[mossy juniper]

i cant get not even one hotshot to drop

[wild rune]

felt that, I'm that way with Universal Fallout

(I'm gonna be late responding now because I'm at work )

[severe bough]

Caster
Arcane Concentration molt augmented/aegis

Arcane concentration
Hot shot

Concentration is from the new ones but its like 30 plat or so

Really cheap but very good

[tough sparrow]

What are some good subsumes for Inaros

[tough sparrow]

Cuz it’s stupid easy to farm

[severe bough]

Exactly

Just spam xaku and floors 14-19

[tough sparrow]

Pretty much

[mossy juniper]

where?

[severe bough]

Decendia

[unborn wadi]

is there any room for improvment other then archon intensify instead of intensify ?

[severe bough]

Does ninjase got a vesper build cuz tbh i never got it and have no idea on what its good

[tough sparrow]

What should I use over Inaros’ 1. Currently using Breach Surge but I’m trying to get the most bang for my buck

[drowsy mauve]

Can someone suggest a quick fulmin prime build?

[tough sparrow]

Why would you use Archon Intensify? Do you mean Umbral?

[cunning finch]

since his 2 can heal you could get the bonus it has

[tough sparrow]

Ahhh I didn’t know that nice

[unborn wadi]

archon intensify bec of his 2nd ability u get 10sec dmg boost

and u have to use its 2nd evry now and then so it will heal ya and your summon + teammates

[drowsy herald]

Iam so glad farming these new arcanes is much easier than the previous method of running the god forsaken bounties

[nova swift]

I have cooked

[unborn wadi]

i think maybe can replace continuity for streamline for spaming

but its good cuz its duration build

[unborn wadi]

nice

[nova swift]

irradiate and debilitate are really fun on nyx because you get 10 stacks with chaos

irradiate also spreads status if the hit that causes the explosion applied status

[midnight horizon]

Which warframe is better for ocucor platform: grendel, hydroid, or lavos?

(please don't choose hydroid, I dislike his stationary gameplay)

[mossy juniper]

my stats for URIEL

i think i went overboard with str

[mighty flare]

its fine

[latent flax]

Any suggestions?

[mossy juniper]

this sint my build but using it, i feel its lacking but idk

Tenet Glaxion

[mighty flare]

glax is dot/hybrid weapon, ur wasting resources doing raw dmg

you have rifle elementalist but no dot

[mossy juniper]

i was given this build

[mighty flare]

bad giver build

[latent flax]

How you get rifle elementalist?

[latent flax]

Ty

[sonic herald]

question about secondary irradiate (hitting enemies afflicted by 10 stacks of rad deals damage to nearby enemies)

is there a cooldown? like lets say I unload a full magazine of my aksomati to an enemy with said sstacks, does every bullet proc it?

[mossy juniper]

what would u prefer?

[slender yarrow]

Yo just a quick question, heard of a “invisible Kullervo” build with insane crits. I’m currently running 4 purples on him with crit chance, and his 1 hits for insane numbers but I wanna try this build out too. Is it made using Evade and Arcane crepuscular? Does that work on his 1?

[mighty flare]

viral elec/heat

[mossy juniper]

so take out what mods?

[mighty flare]

high voltage --> stormbringer (rearrange elemental mods to make viral electric)
serration --> vital sense
galv aptitude --> shred (unless external fire rate)
frostbite --> mercs/crux
cold valence --> magnetic

[mossy juniper]

cold?

[mossy juniper]

oh okay so find a new one and start forma over again?

[nova swift]

or apply 5 forma, then use elemental vice to change the element

[mossy juniper]

explain?

[nova swift]

you can buy elemental vice from eleanor that allows you to change the element as much as you want. But I think it needs to be max rank (so 5 forma for 40) before you can apply it

[mossy juniper]

it is 40

is magnetic best type?

[unborn wadi]

yeah lol i think would be best to get that str to range lol and dont forget casting speed

[mossy juniper]

i got 1 casting
1 velocity
3 ability

[midnight horizon]

Is it easier to kill acolytes using status heavy weapons like ocucor now, after attenuation changes

[quiet laurel]

no cause still max of 4 status

[shut saffron]

Becomes possible but it's still a bit annoying due to status cap like mentioned above

[astral tinsel]

ocucor just doesn't do that much dmg anyway

[undone dust]

yeah you need saryn for ocucor aco killing, you could maybe manage with volt but it's best with saryn

[vocal vector]

hey, anyone got a vermisplicer secondary build recommendation? I have a riven with +ms +sc +cd

[midnight horizon]

Does nourish affect hunter adrenaline

And is wrathful advance still the best helminth in general for raw damage melees?

[mighty flare]

its usually just ms, crits, dmg, with viral/corro heat

[vocal vector]

corrosive? the status is kinda eh

https://overframe.gg/build/554130/vermisplicer/bad-dragon-tentacle-machine/

this is my primary

im looking to make something similiar, so going for crit, not status

[proud anchor]

Yes it does

[hearty scarab]

Uriel subsume

Gloom roar xata

[mighty flare]

this is primary build, you said secondary
corro heat is ran on secondaries to use both primed mods

[vocal vector]

yeah its just a reference for what im trying to get roughly, I know that its a different weapon

[midnight horizon]

Awesome

[hearty scarab]

Can u test QT persistence gauss

With KP

[midnight horizon]

I deleted gauss

Sorry dawg

[hearty scarab]

Numbskull.

[vocal vector]

but the base status is like 3.4% with splat loader anyways, and even with the others its only like 6%

[hearty scarab]

Mb yo

[midnight horizon]

Gurt yo

[hearty scarab]

Lowkey

Been just doing like a level cap a day

[midnight horizon]

lwkenuinely

[hearty scarab]

To get Inaros enjoyer/prestige

[midnight horizon]

I stopped doing that but I might try it again

[hearty scarab]

In the club server

[midnight horizon]

Saryn health tank enjoyer ong

[hearty scarab]

🥀

[vocal vector]

isnt a hunter munitions viral build better bc of that?

[hearty scarab]

There’s no way that works

Can u get Molt to heal like 500HP?

If so that’s silly

[mighty flare]

elements are multi with dmg mods for raw dmg, the sc% doesnt matter

[hearty scarab]

Viral hm 🌹

The good old days

[vocal vector]

right but im not going to apply corrosive for the armor reduction tho

[mighty flare]

ik

[hearty scarab]

Dude

[mighty flare]

its not for the status

[vocal vector]

there is nothing old days about it lol, its just that other elements are not dooky anymore

[hearty scarab]

It’s not worth it

💤

[vocal vector]

then what? for the extra dmg to factions?

[oblique depot]

A friend of mine gave me this build saying that its the best build for the glaive prime that he could think of (without considering rivens), how would you improve it?

[hearty scarab]

U dont

That’s about as good as it gets

Ever

[oblique depot]

oh that's amazing to hear 🙂

[hearty scarab]

Pretty sure it’s just c&p of ninjase

https://overframe.gg/build/270712/

Yeah

[oblique depot]

oh yeah its one if his

I should have known lol

[hearty scarab]

If you want scroll down into the guide

Maybe there’s something to improve it further liek

Chroma eclipse

[oblique depot]

thanks for the suggestion. I think I have basically everything beside the faction mods

[tough sparrow]

Thank you o wise one

[hearty scarab]

Treat it like Mesmer skin

If your health gets low cast it

Then you use rage and gain back all ur energy and HP

And loop it

[rough night]

I've never questioned this but, does personal universal bonus damage (ex; wall latch, vigorous swap) apply to summons?

[pure reef]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Universal_Weapon_Bonuses

[pure reef]

Norp

[severe bough]

Idk how prices are on the new tecolyst arcanes cuz there not listet yet but just got all of them r5 for 50 pl💀

My brain is saying

The gonna be expensive

Or the probably arent when they are finally listed everyone already got it

Btw what the event we get next week or smth? Didnt they say any event will come

[median heron]

iirc galv steel is better than sac steel but would need to remath to confirm

[median heron]

seems like all of the new stuff is easy to get except for the focus weapons

[severe bough]

Fr

DE let me just pay with my card

🥀

[tough sparrow]

Should I change anything specific? Like would Rage be better than Hunter Adrenaline?

[severe bough]

Change bellicose to grace

I assume

@hearty scarab mabye knows more about it

[hearty scarab]

Wuh

That’s a sandstorm build

[deep grotto]

since i kind of had subpar advice earlier
what link do i use for a plague keewar and bokwin?

[hearty scarab]

Not necessary since they’re doing sandstorm

[hearty scarab]

Good build btw

Basically same stuff I’m running for new sandstorm builds

Might wanna consider rage though

Or some sort of energy source

[tough sparrow]

Hunter Adrenaline is my current source

Wait

[hearty scarab]

Over?

[tough sparrow]

Where’s my hunter adrenaline

[hearty scarab]

Idk u tell me 😭

[gray quarry]

Hunter adren has higher conversion

[tough sparrow]

Nvm give me a sec to look over my build

[hearty scarab]

Ik I just don’t care

Cheaper

Hell I even use r0 rage sometimes

If I’m really lazy

[deep grotto]

it's kinda annoying how i was told "get plague bokwin" during plague star for PT
and then when i check PT site it's not even the best zaw grip to use

smh

[tough sparrow]

Welp I guess I didn’t even account for hunter adrenaline. What the hell do I replace lmao

[hearty scarab]

probably P flow

[gray quarry]

Probably flow, can get energy from shards

[hearty scarab]

Not even necessary if you just take damage often

[severe bough]

Just take the damage

[gray quarry]

True

[tough sparrow]

Damn alright

[deep grotto]

i don't really understand what this graph actually means

i'm assuming orang bad green good

[tough sparrow]

I think I wasted a Omni on the wrong slot

[hearty scarab]

That’s red bro…

[deep grotto]

but like
kinda lost beyond that

[severe bough]

Your trying to get a pt zaw ready ?

[deep grotto]

close enough (i use blue light mode so it looks more orange)

[deep grotto]

yeah

[deep grotto]

i'm mainly having a brain hurty moment because people here kept going "USE A POLEARM ZAW" when a scythe zaw is flat out better for damage

and then they directed me to the website anyway

so like
what

[severe bough]

Primary overcharge for ogris now
Bulwark on mausolon deployer
And if corvas also primary overcharge

[deep grotto]

who the hell gives someone the wrong advice while simultaneously directing you somewhere that has entirely different advice

[severe bough]

Balla zaw is the most common one cuz u spam throw shot the hole time

Attack speed is really important

[deep grotto]

yeah

[severe bough]

Kinda weird

Whats also weird they completely disabled occ

[tough sparrow]

I WASTED AN OMNI ON THE WRONG POLARITY

[severe bough]

They tried to disable it to decendia

[deep grotto]

so getting the keewar and bokwin was entirely pointless

[tough sparrow]

Fml

[deep grotto]

istg bro

[severe bough]

The just shut it down completely

[severe bough]

I mean look mabye someday they gate awakend again by some mighty change then u have it

[deep grotto]

suppose so

[severe bough]

I cant see those yt shorts anymore

Where they praise every arcane this update to be meta🥀

"It will change the meta drastically"

Im gonna heat that again im gonna flip out

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-feline-creature-gif-23361370

[novel bear]

Overcharge is best on frames that use battery, bulwark never even had a chance

[kind void]

bulwark is a multiplier.

[severe bough]

I just saw a vid where kyaji was praising deblitate is gonna destroy the primary meta

[kind void]

so it gives alot more damage and from what i heard it applies to melee

[novel bear]

Doesn’t work on melee, not multiplicative

I tested

[kind void]

oof

[novel bear]

Does work on secondaries, and weapon abilities

[deep grotto]

would you reccomend a one handed or two handed zaw, then?

[novel bear]

But chroma is the only frame with enough armor and a weapon ability, and spectral scream is awful

[kind void]

umbral nidus almost maxes it out

[severe bough]

Wai waiiiit does bulwark even tho its consider a primary arcane still boosts other weapons?

[novel bear]

Yes

[severe bough]

Bug?

[kind void]

probably

[novel bear]

Probably, they might leave it though

[severe bough]

They will def fix it

[last quiver]

Anyone got an idea of what build would work well on the Sagek Prime?

[quiet laurel]

what the new arcanes somewhat did is make primaries less galvanized stack dependent but its still a pain to play multiCO weapons without galv stacks

[severe bough]

Nah after what they did to persis indirectly

[kind void]

well they are a bit busy dealing with the fallout of the health nuke

health gate is real

[quiet laurel]

as long as primaries need kills to get going they wont be better than secondaries or melees

[real sluice]

What should I go for on incarn torid? Status or crit

[severe bough]

Tbf overcharge is so good on pt corvas

[quiet laurel]

both

[kind void]

i dont think i have ever seen the health tank community agree on anything before. so having them all out in arms over this arcane is impressive

[severe bough]

It finally can ontap legs without riv

And even if its charged like 1 sec

[quiet laurel]

health tanking community is mad?
that the arcane is not good enough to dethrone shield gating or that the arcane didnt address the initial issue of enemy dmg scaling?

[real sluice]

Well like, which final incarn? Cause their base crit 20%, base crit 15%/base status 15%, then base status 34%

[wild rune]

I miss being able to quickshot onetap pt legs with my velocitus
I have one of the single best rivens for it too

[novel bear]

Violence

[kind void]

the nerf it got was far to much

[kind void]

yup this exactly

[severe bough]

Iirc violence can deactive the arcane

[quiet laurel]

kek

[severe bough]

And mag and nuli bubbles

[kind void]

yup it can. and we have no way to counter it

[quiet laurel]

shield gating continues to win

[severe bough]

Did smth aswell

[quiet laurel]

what a time we live in

[kind void]

the mag and nullies we can handle. its a skill check

[severe bough]

SAY IT LOUDER

[kind void]

but you cant do anything about violence

[quiet laurel]

at least health tanking community had a short moment of hope

[kind void]

yah something like what 12h?

[novel bear]

Mag affects almost no one running the arcane
Avoiding nullifiers is habit and easy enough
Violence is near impossible to avoid

[quiet laurel]

tho imo the arcane was pretty mid even before the nerf

[severe bough]

The need to fix a lot tho i dunno if the fix persis in the right direction but even occ isnt working💀

[wild rune]

I think it's also moreso to prevent cheese with the superbosses, as they nullify on hit too

Violence was likely an afterthought, but ends up being the largest thorn in the side

[kind void]

For 12 hours lore accurate nidus existed

[severe bough]

They just removed it

[novel bear]

I hate the superbosses

They do get cheesed

[kind void]

Honestly if they just removed violence from the list of things that shut it off we would be happy

[wild rune]

I still don't know how I beat the Fragmented One with Hildryn

[quiet laurel]

superbosses is what happens when you try to make hard content in warframe

just awful to play

[wild rune]

I cheesed Vor with Nokko

hehe funny shrooms go boing

[severe bough]

True

[kind void]

eh as a nidus main i always hated the fact that i had no way to actually face the secret bosses

[novel bear]

They all encourage the same lazy gate build

[severe bough]

When eta eda rework

[kind void]

they 1 shot me and i have no gate or anything that can save me

[novel bear]

Eta and eda are fine
I enjoy them personally

[wild rune]

just play deep rock galactic

[kind void]

i had to bring inaros to do the 60 eyes boss

[quiet laurel]

DE made a good move with hunhullus weak spots, fighting that thing made me remember eidolon days but then the other 2 bosses or even the second phase of hunhullus are such a huge miss again like idk what DE is doing atp

2nd boss is just a tanky boss that doesnt do anything

[novel bear]

Ropalolyst and orowyrm remain my favorite bosses

[quiet laurel]

3rd boss is just warframe enemy copy pasta

[wild rune]

my one problem with them is when I get a truly horrid selection and basically have to skip the week

[severe bough]

The times where ropatolyst where hard

[quiet laurel]

where you also just shoot at them and pray

[severe bough]

I wonder what we will get next anybody good in knowing things before they get announced?

[quiet laurel]

I'd much rather fight a ropalolyst with environmental mechanics than bullet hose with damage attenuation number 46

[novel bear]

It’s really hard to roll three bad frames
Rolling nine bad weapons is definitely possible though, and annoying when it happens

[kind void]

eh its too soon. and most people are focused on either the new arcanes or the persistence nerf

[quiet laurel]

I call new public hub with new system, different than syndicates and then have the most horrendous missions as the main content

[kind void]

i hate that the only thing that makes it hard is the fact that the loadouts are random

[severe bough]

Sounds interesting

[kind void]

as a nidus main myh builds and playstyle are so different to most others that my loadouts are usualy useless to me

[quiet laurel]

I also dont understand the grinding idea in this update

[novel bear]

I like that it encourages diversity in playstyle
Helps prevent burnout personally

[wild rune]

at one point I got Nyx, Ember, and Loki with no good weapons and decided it wasn't worth it

[gray quarry]

Wdym

[quiet laurel]

you farm the new arcanes within an hour and then you need like a quadzillion runs for the focus ults

[kind void]

we have plenty of diversity. what we are lacking is a reason to push builds to the limit

[gray quarry]

Ah that

[kind void]

we have nothing yet that is actualy hard that doesnt just turn things off

[severe bough]

I said it before just let me buy the ults

[kind void]

the hard bosses turn off abilites. eda and eta turn off premade loadouts.

[quiet laurel]

having weak point mechanics or movement mechanics would be awesome but the warframe community is way too bad at the game for DE to add smth like that

[severe bough]

Spend my Card

Give my money de

[quiet laurel]

also, the rebellion gamemode being tied to the timer is so stupid

[kind void]

endless when

[quiet laurel]

why not have a minimum amount of orders you need to do to fight the boss so speedrunning actually does smth

but noooooo DE needs to artificially extend the playtime of the gamemode again so that when the event comes around everyone is forced to grind at the same speed cause you cant have good players being rewarded amirite

short crashout over thx for coming to my tedd talk

[kind void]

i mean they openly stated they wont ever make an endgame

they dont really care that much about their stronger players

[quiet laurel]

while it was one of the most wanted things in the stream of "what do you want to see DE do in 2025"

[kind void]

i have suggested several ways to add an endgame that would be fun for the players

[wild rune]

I kinda gaslit myself because of this because the first time I did it, solo, I only got like 60 agnovidisc of the several thousand that I needed and wasn't about to sit there in 12 minute increments making pocket change, and bought the full Uriel bundle

turns out, you get a lot more than I realized with more people

[quiet laurel]

I get like 15 with a full squad per run

and I for sure am not doing 10 runs of each mission for a singular ult

[kind void]

im sad i never got to test out persistence at full strength cause getting to level cap takes at minimum 2h

[wild rune]

I did a public mission after buying the bundle and came out with around 500 from one mission

[quiet laurel]

1h

[kind void]

thats what i want them to fix. give us faster scaling and better rewards

[kind void]

wha?

isnt disruption the fastest at 2h?

[quiet laurel]

non fissure cascades in a full squad takes an hour if you have a good tileset

[kind void]

interesting

didnt know that

[quiet laurel]

but because DEs code is so good the time needed for cap is hugely dependent on the rooms you get you have exos in

[stray depot]

still looking for a good Vinquibus build if anyone has any ideas

[wild rune]

melee is typical influence slop

[shadow shore]

hey , soma prime , is this a good build? or is it too much crit ?

[kind void]

well in any case we have no way to do high level missions easily. and the enemies at that level are just pathetic

[lunar tapir]

Someone help me figure out why my cedo and trumna prime randomly get double the firerate with no wisp

[kind void]

its boring. i want a challenge for my nidus

noodle boi needs a workout

[quiet laurel]

I liked that in descendia the enemies actually seem to have an insanely high health multiplier

[kind void]

yah but even on sp it was easy

[quiet laurel]

like I saw 10+ millions DoTs and enemies didnt die at lvl 160

[kind void]

they died pretty easy for me

tankier then normal yah but still easy

[wild rune]

even base roathe takes some time to die to a burston incarnon

*without buffs

[quiet laurel]

yeah wasnt a challenge with a good loadout

[kind void]

yah but sadly because we dont have anything that can become a good challenge build diversity has fallen apart

we can have diversity but it has to be forced

which ruins the point

[quiet laurel]

you have 2 types of people arguing over build variety
1 is saying that you can have variety cause you can do all content with all frames and weapons
the other wants build variety while still maintaining efficiency compared to the other options

[kind void]

oh heres a good way to put it. i dont want the game to be hard. i want it to be hard for my build

[quiet laurel]

and for the second argument there is like no build variety

[kind void]

taking away my build doesnt make the game hard. it makes the game no longer fun

[deep grotto]

turns out i misinterpreted this entirely my bad
I thought you were talking about a weapon

[wild rune]

the annoying part is that DE needs nullification to some degree specifically because Revenant exists
and nerfing Revenant is a nuclear warhead waiting to go off

Koumei requires luck to have her mesmer skin, why can't Revenant have some kind of restriction?

[quiet laurel]

which is why I argue to make hard content not based off of the stats of your build but rather players skill level in things like aiming, movement or well timed operator switches at critical objective moments
but that will never happen unfortunately

[kind void]

its a pve game that stil wont work well. i am mostly looking at random and temporary nerfs in mission

things that force you to adapt how you play and would stop 1 button wonders

[quiet laurel]

I mean it works well in gamemodes like cascade why not in others

[kind void]

exactly

make the buffs scale so longer runs mean worse buffs

[quiet laurel]

cascade requires aim, timing, movement and thought about your build cause there are quite different enemy types

[kind void]

eventually the debuffs will overpower you

in 1 way shape or form

[wild rune]

that's why I like the Solus Heart from Risk of Rain 2's newest DLC so much

the boss will temporarily break the floor at specific times, and touching the broken floor disables your inventory and negates all death cheats through that; the counterplay then becomes a skill of movement, which can be done with no movement items whatsoever

[viral igloo]

for a crit build would it be better to use melee duplicate and focus on crit dmg or focus on crit chance and replace melee duplicate for somethin else

[kind void]

melee influence

[severe bough]

Tbh melee careen as utility when melee isnt used its pretty decent

[kind void]

well they said crit chance and damage so i assume its more of their main

[severe bough]

Just a nice little crowd control

[wild rune]

melee boils down to either utility or melee influence

with a rare shoutout to melee exposure

[kind void]

whats the magnetic one?

[severe bough]

Sometimes afflitctions

[kind void]

i have had some decent success with that one as well

but influence trumps all

[severe bough]

But careen tbf is just nice to freeze enemys on roll

I tried it out with praedos cuz dont use praedus much execpt for Utility

And its kinda nice

[severe bough]

Vortex

[kind void]

yah that one

good way to group enemies constantly without needing anything else

[severe bough]

I remembered people used it sometimes on ichor or whatever

[kind void]

yah

[fathom sky]

Afflictions is sad because the stuff you would use it for they're immune to knockdown/lifted or whatever.

[kind void]

you know whats fun?

looking at the new arcanes feedback on forums

man its everyone

like i said before. i dont think the health community has ever been out in force like this for anything

[quiet laurel]

"rev is fine but this arcane is clearly problematic" DE probably

[kind void]

something like that

[severe bough]

Yea but sill useable on some weapons like the heavy hate

[kind void]

rhino being able to passivly have 150k ironskin

[gray quarry]

If rev is nerfed, dryzz will be sad(he probably doesn’t care)

[kind void]

honestly other then health tanks rhino got the biggest buff this patch

[severe bough]

True

Expertise and rhino

[kind void]

with parasitic armor

insane

i press 2 buttons and anything under level 500 can just piss off

[severe bough]

It even was before but now it got even better

1 arcane left from the update and i can finally rest playing decendia

And need to play perita for my hole life to get those ults

[gray quarry]

You can’t

[severe bough]

So im able to play casc without madurai

Sometimes i wish DE was ubisoft and they just throw everything farmable in shop

[kind void]

i just want to be able to play nidus in level cap without having to cheese to stay alive

[severe bough]

[kind void]

well guys look at the bright side

they are DE instead of a certain other 2 letter company we all know and hate

[severe bough]

Bungie jumping

[gray quarry]

You right, we shiuld go jump bungie(kidding, I’m never wishing harm on anyone)

[severe bough]

ive heared destiny brings star wars didnt they said like ds2 was over

[kind void]

idk man do they work at EA?

if thye do i have a sandwhich of rthem

[gray quarry]

Without cheese? Just use his passive. That’s what it’s there for(also arcane persistence, if you don’t wanna use his passive)

[gray quarry]

It’s now a thing, I haven’t opened destiny for a good few months

[lavish orbit]

They give order, nothing else

[severe bough]

Tbf i dont like destiny but i never really came into destiny and im not sure why cuz its grinding and normally I love grinding but i just didnt liked the system at all

[kind void]

the problem nidus runs into at level cap is 2 fold. first he can get stuck in a loop of regenerating stacks to stay alive but not being able to do anything else without dying fully

on top of that most endurance runs need mobility and speed. the exact opposite of nidus kit

[gray quarry]

Arcane persistence, ez fix

[kind void]

yah but it was nerfed. so now in steel path every 5 min you get to rol the dice on if you get to keep playing

and if you get unlucky you just die

[gray quarry]

Bullet jump to room, set up 4 and 3

[gray quarry]

Wdym

[kind void]

3 does nothing at level cap. and once again staying in 1 room doesnt work for most endurance runs

[kind void]

the acolyte violence instakills you.

[gray quarry]

Ah violence, does he kill your passive?

[kind void]

no but he shuts off arcane persistance which is the only thing that gives you the time needed to do anything

[lavish orbit]

So passive there is

[kind void]

dont forget you only get 30 seconds

so every about 20 to 25 seconds you have to stop everything and start generating stacks. while you keep losing stacks

[gray quarry]

So let his passive proc so violence dips, then regain the lost stacks

[kind void]

persistance would have fixed that but when violence spawns persistance gets disabled and suddenly all dmg will remove stacks

[tepid isle]

can someone help me with this build, im gonna put the new arcane which splits the gas later but i need something so i dont burn through my ammo. at the moment it takes about 20 seconds to burn through a mag

[kind void]

violence doesnt leave until you die. teleports to you. and keeps your abilites silenced when he is close to you

nidus undying doesnt count as dying so that wont do it

[gray quarry]

Damn really?

[kind void]

yah

like i said violence is the onlky thing we are really mad about

its crap

you cdant run. you cant fight. you cant even survive

so far we only know of 3 counters

and 2 of them are stupid

[gray quarry]

Tbh persostence shouldn’t be able to be nullified, I don’t mind the magnetic killing it but magnetic and nullify probably a bit too far

[gray quarry]

What 2 of the 3 counters

[kind void]

eh im ok with mag and nullies its just persistance that makes me mad

[kind void]

the subsume named silence and a death gate like ndius

the only way to counter violence is to silence him before he silences you

[lavish orbit]

You get invincible when you get killed, then you loose stacks, kill it in those times, you can go over 100 depending if you have the augment (that nerf the passive cooldown tho) or not, if you don't scale your passive, you cannot go high, persistance will get you ready for Violence, then you'll need to use your passive to get rid of him

[gray quarry]

You’re not using the subsume slot for anything else

[kind void]

true. but thats just nidus. what about the other health tanks

ndius is lucky. he has a death gate.

[lavish orbit]

We are talking about nidus tho

[gray quarry]

You can have extra stacked on the back end ready to be added to your total when stacks are used, you can stack stacks up in a reserve type of thing

[kind void]

i use nidus as an example because he is my main but the same things apply to all the other health tanks

[gray quarry]

Valkyr just shreds him fast, or just bring a gun that kills acos quickly

[kind void]

then why bother using persistance when you can just kill everything faster

better to breing more damage then

they cant hurt you if they are all dead

[lavish orbit]

The only one I find difficult is Lavos, since he doesn't even have energy to use, it's just a pain to completely convert him in a healthtanking frame

[kind void]

just kill faster like bigboy said

[lavish orbit]

So why yapping for healthtanking

Persistance is useless just kill faster

[kind void]

im making a point. others have said to just 1 shot the aco at level cap

its a dumb arguement

[gray quarry]

I said to bring a weapon that can kill him quickly, laetum, lex, somethin like that would work fine

[kind void]

unless you are 1 shotting them we tested it and it doesnt work. the moment you get within 20m of the guy he hits you with silence

and since you have no idea where he spawns in relation to you, he can spawn on top of you and instantly shut off your stuff

thats why violence is such a problem

there is no counter to him outside the extreme counters

such as hitting him with silence the insant he spawns or 1 shotting him the moment he spawns

[lavish orbit]

Tauron strike him

[gray quarry]

Imma be honest you’re acting like your gun also gets disabled, like yeah he disables your abilities, just give him the american special

[kind void]

does that take like 4k kills to get?

[gray quarry]

That was most likely an exaggeration

[kind void]

he teleports to you. you can run from him

[gray quarry]

I’m pretty sure violence disables operator abilities, I don’t remember

[novel bear]

4k kills with no lenses or other boosts

It’s probably bugged

[gray quarry]

Ah so it wasn’t an exaggeration

[kind void]

who knows. its still new

i heard some of the buffs are insane

liek 160% to str and duration

[novel bear]

That’s zenurik I think

[gray quarry]

So shoot him when he teleports

[novel bear]

I haven’t played a single perita mission yet

[lavish orbit]

A mod let's you get 30% at start, then an arcane get you more recharge speed, with focus lenses you get 20% per lens, I can do it 4-5 times a Perita mission

[kind void]

his teleport puts him inside of you. which shuts off the arcane and gets you killed by the next breath of fresh air

[kind void]

hmm not bad. its better then i thought

[gray quarry]

Yeah, and they all stack with eachothers

[kind void]

heard the buffs last for the rest of the mission

[lavish orbit]

Some yes, other no

[gray quarry]

Probably, I made the mistake in getting madurai first

[kind void]

zen was the only one i saw that i would like

that buff it gives would be dope but if its temp i dont want it

i need that consistancy

[lavish orbit]

Took the sword, the little blades also gives more recharge when melee attacking

[gray quarry]

I gotta go farm for that one

[lavish orbit]

Most of the buffs are for 30s, didn't see for Zenurik tho

[kind void]

makes sense

then ill porobably not use them

temp buffs are cool but most of my setups for noodle man are for consistancy and temp buffs are not that

[lavish orbit]

Oraxia 500% str in 4th for the rest of the mission lmao

[gray quarry]

Noodle man?

[kind void]

lol

noodle man nidus

mots of his abilites have infested pasta

[gray quarry]

Ah

[kind void]

ergo the noodle man

[lavish orbit]

I need to seek what ability are snap and what are not 😅

(kind of "use the stats you had when you cast it even if it change afterward")

[kind void]

gloom is

[gray quarry]

So uh, my gamr crashed when I broke down my secondary deadhead