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[novel bear]

It disables shields

[kind void]

And when it gets negated your shield come back as long as it’s negated

It negates the entire effect. The arcane gets turned off

[fathom sky]

Frankly that could say the same about pretty much anything released after Plains of Eidolon, we're just getting more ways to lead down the same thing. Like yeah the nerf feels annoying but let's not act like levelcap hasn't been solved for years

[kind void]

True. But the entire point of this arcane was to let health frames do level cap without relying on cheese or straight up death gates

The main thing here is that finally health tanks wouldn’t be 1 shot by everything. But with the nerf they might as well have not even released it

At the end of the day once again shield gate is infinitely stronger then any health tanking

[near vortex]

isn't active gate turned off by Violence too
You have to have vigilante vigor fast deflection cat shields, no?

[kind void]

No shield gate can’t be turned off

[fathom sky]

You still have shields after the abilities are turned off to survive a bit more

[kind void]

So shield frames now have 2 gates and not 1. So once again the pure health frames are shafted

[velvet pulsar]

Stop complaining and start complaining:
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1480466-arcane-persistence-nerf-is-thoughtless-overwhelmed-with-the-complaints-yet/

[fathom sky]

Shields always stay winning for no reason

[kind void]

Yup

[velvet pulsar]

I've covered almost everything here

Several paragraphs

[elder sail]

Sorry if this is the wrong chat for this, but a friend of mine suddenly got overwhelmed with people wanting to buy his Twin Gremlins Riven. Is somthing big happening to that weapon that I missed?

[fathom sky]

Frankly there was just no reason to nerf it at all. I didn't think it was even close to broken especially with all the other crap DE keeps putting in that makes the choice seem arbitrary

[velvet pulsar]

Baro is selling

[velvet pulsar]

They had a reason
AFK was an excuse
They didn't want health tankers to cheese Hard Mode bosses

[fathom sky]

Oh damn it could afk? Welp

[elder sail]

Oh! the Primsa ones, thanks!

[fathom sky]

Yeah that'd do it

[velvet pulsar]

I said AFK was an excuse

The nerf they brought to Arcane Persistence wasn't a nerf to AFK

[fathom sky]

Ah

So I can still AFK with it?

[velvet pulsar]

U can see it and clearly realize their targets were Apex Tank, 60 eyes, and Janal Vor

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[fathom sky]

Amazing

[velvet pulsar]

However, holy investment

[near vortex]

I think they should revert silence disabling persistence

Keeping nulli bubbles and mag procs disabling it I'm fine with

[velvet pulsar]

They have to revert a lot of things dude

[kind void]

Yup second on this

[kind void]

Exactly

[velvet pulsar]

Did y'all forget Flare defense in ETA also has nullification?

[proud anchor]

What could it AFK for? Could you out heal the damage with arcane grace?

[velvet pulsar]

Just don't seek any middle ground with this nerf fellas.

Some idiot did this nerf to not let superbosses fumble

[velvet pulsar]

Not grace

[fathom sky]

The superbosses are incredibly dumb anyway

[velvet pulsar]

Look
I still need to do a lot of tests right

[proud anchor]

I can only think of gloom and maybe molt reconstruct being able to heal

[proud anchor]

I completely forgot about that mod for furis

[velvet pulsar]

Some fool ruined the entire arcane and potential future of health tanks just to stroke his superbosses

[near vortex]

I genuinely think if you're playing abundant mutation Nidus and you have Furis you can go from one HP to full in like a second

[fathom sky]

Close enough, welcome back Dark Sword Riven guy

[velvet pulsar]

Anything with lifesteal

[proud anchor]

I think i have a clip of a team and I blitzing through the hunhulyst

[fathom sky]

Hunhul is baby mode boss

[near vortex]

Imagine persistence plus Furis with this health pool

[fathom sky]

3 taps with Laetum and not even trying and the phases get destroyed

[velvet pulsar]

Harrow's penance but amplified

[near vortex]

I remember there was a Harrow player who saw Persistence and got excited

[near vortex]

I had to remind him the base duration of Penance without shields is 4 seconds

[velvet pulsar]

Is this before the update?

If yes then that's justified

[near vortex]

Yeah, it was the day Pablo showed the arcane on twitter

[severe bough]

So pers is basically bonkers for now

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah, one couldn't have surely known if the shields remained permanently disabled

[severe bough]

Execpt on nidus inaros

[velvet pulsar]

Fight here:
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1480466-arcane-persistence-nerf-is-thoughtless-overwhelmed-with-the-complaints-yet/

[severe bough]

Or u spend your complete modding screen to make it work mabye

[severe bough]

Already readed it

[novel bear]

No it doesn’t, just tested it with lavos

Persistence turns off, but shields don’t come back

[velvet pulsar]

Read won't be enough
Support!

[severe bough]

say me what do to

Write comment?

[velvet pulsar]

Upvote it
Comment probably won't be seen much at this point considering how much have piled up

[severe bough]

Got ir

[solar dust]

whats everyones fav endgame wisp build? im aiming to be invincible, use breach surge effectiveyl and pair with a good weapon to clear rooms and kill thrax/demos

[kind void]

That’s good to know at least

[dire flint]

I need a good wisp build

[novel bear]

Weapon platform or caster?

[kind void]

Best part about this nerf is you can clearly see who hasn’t ever health tanked and doesn’t know how far they can or can’t go

[velvet pulsar]

I was supposed to have an ultra tier wisp build this update

[novel bear]

Persistence wisp was never going to be more than a meme build

[velvet pulsar]

Is energy tanking not working?

[gray quarry]

Waiting for the knightmareframe persistence wisp build

[dire flint]

Either one tbh

I have zero clue how to properly play her tbh

[velvet pulsar]

@novel bear coz if energy tank worked then that's not the case

[novel bear]

She has enough survivability in her base kit that building for persistence is unnecessary

[kind void]

She has shields. That’s all she needs

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder how trinity would do
Though her abilities are good too

Mainly it would've increased my Lavos usage

[gray quarry]

Energy tank trinity or health tank trinity?

[velvet pulsar]

Anything TBH

[gray quarry]

Health tank might be fun

all it took was 1 arcane for people to look at health tank builds

[dire flint]

Hmm

[dire flint]

I gave persistence to Nidus

[gray quarry]

Imma go give it to grendel

[novel bear]

For weapon platform, you typically subsume roar or some other buff over her 4, and go for high strength
Worthy comradery in her aura slot, crepuscular, bellicose, augmented, and energize for arcane options
You want decent range for breach surge

[cloud salmon]

is this good guys ?

[dire flint]

My wisp has dispensary over sol gate

Why did i do this

[gray quarry]

Smh

Perfect

[pine oxide]

Hey ! Anybody with a great Vinquibus build (melee & primary) ?

[vital eagle]

question since i legit dont know lol and i been trying to find out. Uriel's minions do attack enemies right?

[dire flint]

How much duration do i need on Wisp?

[dire flint]

Yeah, they will attack

[vital eagle]

Oh perfect i might just of made a really good build for him

[compact hill]

Mine has roar

[dire flint]

What’s the recommended archon shards for Wisp?

[severe bough]

Raw Viral heat
And influence crab for melee

[severe bough]

i got 200 ish

[dire flint]

I currently have 155%

[severe bough]

One cast speed def and rest is pers pref

[dire flint]

Okie

[velvet pulsar]

New arcane powercreeps molt efficiency by a lot

And it can work on non-shield frames

[severe bough]

Yep

Its great

[velvet pulsar]

Turns out the simplest designed arcanes perform the best

[kind void]

Ok so I ran the numbers. Not only is the whole afk thing dumb it’s objectively wrong. They pretty much lied

[velvet pulsar]

Finally

U understood

[severe bough]

I would probably go for a bit more but u can look through that
https://overframe.gg/build/511102/wisp-prime/ravenous-wraith-nourish-wisp-sp-general-use-and-endurance-levelcap/

[velvet pulsar]

AFK was an excuse

[kind void]

No I understood. I just decided to run the numbers and prove it

[dire flint]

What arcane?

[severe bough]

Concentration

[proud anchor]

Can someone explain how arcane expertise works? My brain is too fried to figure it out rn

[dire flint]

[severe bough]

The probably just wanted to nerf the arcane

[dire flint]

That’s the ability cast increases duration right?

[velvet pulsar]

Exactly
They simply went with the flow of the playerbase praising something without testing and they also decided to panic nerf it without testing

[lost hull]

Strength scaling shield mod

[severe bough]

iirc The more str u have the more shield u get

[kind void]

There is only 1 frame that can actually afk with that arcane. Everything else has a timer and requires constant micro to use

[proud anchor]

OK thank you both

[severe bough]

Can work on hildryn

[velvet pulsar]

Hildryn arcane

[kind void]

It’s best used on rhino with parasitic shields

[severe bough]

But didnt test it out

[kind void]

Base iron skin no buffs of 150k

[severe bough]

What to replace with that arcane aegis?

[gray quarry]

You haven’t heard of nidus then

[kind void]

Nidus doesn’t have shields XD

[velvet pulsar]

Parasitic Armor + that arcane + the primary bulwark

[gray quarry]

that’s the joke

[kind void]

Oh XD

[velvet pulsar]

Not gonna think about it yet

[kind void]

You actually want to use bellicose with it.

[velvet pulsar]

I don't own it
Hence it's not my concern

[velvet pulsar]

There's 2 arcane slots

One is still empty

[kind void]

Yah you want to use arcane bellicose and arcane expertise with parasitic shields on rhino

Means the entire umbral mod set gets you to like 300% ability str

[velvet pulsar]

And then primary bulwark

[kind void]

Oh primary XD

I never use guns lol

But my think without anything else hits 150k iron skin

[velvet pulsar]

It's a universal bonus

[kind void]

Not even using the ironclad charge

[velvet pulsar]

I think that primary arcane affects melees too

[kind void]

So I would expect to easily hit millions with little difficulty

[velvet pulsar]

Also with arcane expertise, Parasitic Armor should be able to double dip STR

[kind void]

What does bull work do?

[kind void]

It does

[velvet pulsar]

Weapon dmg

[kind void]

Same with bellicose

[velvet pulsar]

500%

[kind void]

Interesting

[velvet pulsar]

IDK more details

[kind void]

Bellicose gives str based on health. So umbral mod set gives you more strength. More armor. More shield all to go into iron skin

[gray quarry]

Wait. Ain’t no way

[kind void]

My rhino has like 4K shields. And it turns into 16k armor

[gray quarry]

Hold the phone

[kind void]

My base iron skin is already 13k with only like 800 armor

[velvet pulsar]

U haven't even heard the surprising part yet

[kind void]

I’m going to use it on the new hybrid gun

For the memes

[gray quarry]

Is it multiplicative with things like valkyrs passive

[velvet pulsar]

It's a universal bonus, which means it affects CAW abilities like null star

[velvet pulsar]

I don't know
I'm too overwhelmed, disappointed, and enraged to test it.
Tomorrow.

These were only tests which my clan has done so far

[gray quarry]

Holy it does affect melees

[velvet pulsar]

It also means it should affect archguns

[gray quarry]

Doesn’t seem to be multiplicative, just additive

[kind void]

I mean 500% dmg is pretty massive

[gray quarry]

If an archgun has it equipped and your main gun, does it add onto itself

[velvet pulsar]

I said...

[velvet pulsar]

...

[gray quarry]

Alr

Tho what’s got you disappointed and enraged

[novel bear]

Watch them nerf bulwark next

[velvet pulsar]

I gotta wake up tomorrow and see if DE hit themselves on the head again and revert the persistence nerf

[gray quarry]

Ah

[velvet pulsar]

Game Awards stream was disappointing
This nerf was enraging

[severe bough]

Cuz its seems like u dont need it really

But mabye im wrong

[velvet pulsar]

Pablo false advertised.

[severe bough]

Or smth else changes imo

[kind void]

I think they will rework it

[severe bough]

Also somebody said about its being great with rhino parasatic armor

[quiet laurel]

they hyped up the game awards so much just for it to be a nothingburger 😭

[kind void]

Persistence? Or expertise

[severe bough]

Expertise ofc

Not persis

[kind void]

Oh XD yah it is busted

[velvet pulsar]

You know what.
Because I'm so angry, and because this update's quest pumped with rage...
I'm gonna build Uriel, and I'm gonna unleash my wrath as flames.

[kind void]

150k iron skin no external buffs. Just 2 abilities.

It also means that armor on rhino is useless compared to shields

[severe bough]

So basically use expertise just as arcane ?

[kind void]

You can get 110% armor or you can get 720 armor

[severe bough]

Or does anything change aswell

[kind void]

Your call

Yah. Literally build rhino for pure ability str and then use arcane expertise with arcane bellicose and parasitic shields

You can double and tripple dip in some areas with armor

Umbral mod set gives a lot of health that gives str that gives shields that give armor

[hoary terrace]

So which Prime versión is better in terms of constant crit damage, elemental damage? Magnus Prime or Akmagnus Prime?

[kind void]

Magnus

Has a mod that makes rolling give headshots 400% crit

[wild rune]

Magnus has the augment, Akmagnus does not

[kind void]

Think tier 6 crits that hit for millions

[hoary terrace]

Oh

[wild rune]

^ this very mod is uniquely MULTIPLICATIVE, not additive

[tawny roost]

can someone tell me why my ax52 build is worse then a marshmellow shooter?

[wild rune]

because ax52 is worse than a marshmallow shooter

[tawny roost]

okay but like THIS bad tho?

[wild rune]

Hunter Munitions is also dead in the ground

[tawny roost]

i thought it was good for the slash proc

[wild rune]

Slash's only use now is as a forced proc

[tawny roost]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[carmine dew]

you dont really want to use serration if youre using deadhead

why just cold?

[tawny roost]

idk overframe build

i j wanna use this in SP

[carmine dew]

kibosh HM and serration and try viral heat ig

[granite raptor]

I've been sitting on a cold damage dual toxica for a while, what should I build it for?

[wild rune]

since the health and armor rebalance, it's far, far easier to brute force armored health, and so Electricity has ascended the throne for its unique ability to headshot on proc tick

[carmine dew]

^

[tawny roost]

so cryo and electricity?

drop serration and hunters?

[wild rune]

You'd want viral electric at that point

[astral tinsel]

elec is great on headshot builds

[wild rune]

but you could also outsource viral and make a companion inflict it instead, freeing mod slots

[tawny roost]

my kavat is set up for that already

[severe bough]

Thats what i use for parasatic rhino replacing expertise with molt ?

I assume

[pine oxide]

Hey, I struggle a lot to proc the Uriel heat buff in the simulacurm, what's up ?

I mean, I pick up the rune but no heat damage on weapon

[severe bough]

Ye its def stronger with expertise holy

[kind void]

Drop health conversion for umbral vitality. Drop molt for expertise and battery for bellicose

[severe bough]

Ye that probably makes it even stronger

[kind void]

You don’t need battery. You can simply have so much base iron skin it makes you immune to dmg

[kind void]

Yup. Rhino doesn’t need armor anymore. Shields give more anyways

I would drop continuity for primed vigor as well

More health and shields. So even more double dipping for parasitic shields

[severe bough]

Do u max out bellicose is the question ?

Because if not exceed 45% str

Using molt vigor is better

[kind void]

It probably is but the main thing for me is base increases without needed buffs

Since I use it in index

[severe bough]

Umbra forma imo

[kind void]

But also keep in mind that bellicose lets you double dip with primed vigor

Like I said. You have 600 armor. I have 16k armor.

You max out at like what 5k?

Maybe 6k

Not sure tbh

[severe bough]

Rn i reach 2 mil Og but i need to look more at that anyways

[lavish oyster]

does tau stacks interact with koumei's 1 or 4? or are the status effects from it forced procs?

[severe bough]

Imo i forgot to proc vigor

[kind void]

With ironclad charge I get an extra 104k armor per enemy hit

[severe bough]

Now im at 2,5 mil

[kind void]

So that’s like what an extra 500k iron skin per enemy hit or something

[severe bough]

Need to look if umbral vit and belicose + pvigor actually give more

[silent bough]

reposting :) would still really appreciate some help

[severe bough]

Currently looks like thats the highest

But when i got a umbra forma i can test

Time to make perrita rebellion unsafe with cyte

[kind void]

You should be good to do so right now. Vigor on that armor mod.

And umbral mods can. Go on Omni forma

[severe bough]

They can but doesnt lower mod coast

Need that umbra forma

[fervent portal]

Someone has the build of caliban prime

[shut briar]

Anybody got a uriel build? General use

[severe bough]

High str
Pos range
Bit duration

Archon vit
Molt augmented
Arcane concentration

Either equilibrium as mods or shards

[craggy vector]

has anyone used sagek prime yet?

[wild rune]

I have it crafting but otherwise no

[odd kelp]

Anyone got a good wisp prime build I want to go meta wisp can't seem to decide

[pseudo lodge]

Is reach worth getting from baro today

[next dune]

out of curiosity, what pets are people using with uriel? i was using my hound at first but it was making it hard to charge my ult

[severe bough]

Preach?

Def

[pseudo lodge]

Full

Cool

[severe bough]

Primed reach is the best melee mod fr fr

[severe bough]

https://overframe.gg/build/511102/wisp-prime/ravenous-wraith-nourish-wisp-sp-general-use-and-endurance-levelcap/

Also some other variants u can look through

[novel agate]

Its for surviving longer without using Adaptation

And overextended decreases a lot of str

[gray quarry]

But why, use your 1. It refills all shields and health and gives energy back

[little sundial]

I have a question, where do I ask for advice about collecting parts for protea prime I’ve been grinding for hours and I only have her blueprint 😭

[novel agate]

It refills shield and health?

[gray quarry]

The bottom part is from the aug, that “regen/enemy” is the main thing to look at

[novel agate]

Search in the codex, it should show all relics

[little sundial]

Thank youu

[gray quarry]

ignore the fast deflection I have equipped, I’d rather have something there than an empty slot

[proper vapor]

Does Temporal Drag affect Eximus units?

[novel agate]

Thats neat… could i use something like transient fortitude over over extended maybe?

[gray quarry]

Yeah, that’s what I have equipped as well.(entire build)

[novel agate]

Perfect! Thanks for the help!

[gray quarry]

Your welcome

[lean rivet]

How fast does everyone’s Tauron Strike charge?

With 40% initial, I still need a lot of time to charge Vazarin it feels like

[median heron]

Someone tested it, its like 4k kills from empty

Useless

[lean rivet]

for all of them though?

It’s different depending on the school I think

If no one tested it for multiple it looks like i’m going for Madurai next to test myself

[mossy juniper]

i have made my very own uriel build and it rocks

[next dune]

i feel like i might need a bit more power strength on mine. but i wish there were archon shards dealing with fire more. adding crit chance to secondaries is stupid

[novel bear]

Not for yareli and mesa it isn’t

[rough night]

And jade

And pretty much all heat frames now able to stack hot shot and archon shard on gunrunning builds

Now that i think about it, do exalteds count as skill damage for the purposes of archon shard vulnerabilities?

[cold fog]

I just farmed enough to get a tektolyst artifact but I dont know which i should get. I main wisp and want the most ability strength possible so I have been using madurai for void sling however ive noticed through perita buffs they are leaning more into strength in the zenurik class so im considering switching. Does anybody know what the upgrade for each class are so I can compare them for my builds before buying the wrong one?

[mossy juniper]

i think i should post mine

[median heron]

Unless they rework the charge up you wont be using them at all tbh

[novel bear]

Glory’s crit chance isn’t great

[cold fog]

Im hoping for some passive warframe buffs

[scarlet slate]

This is Zenurik ones, I'm working through them now so unfortunately I don't have them maxed. I did read somewhere that when you get off your tauron strike, the spectral page buffs remain until the end of the mission, but don't quote me on that as I've not checked it myself yet

[cold fog]

What is the base % buff per page for the spectral pages buffs?

Is it entirely dependant on the boundless energy skill?

[scarlet slate]

Unsure if its true but this is what I've found

[gray quarry]

I think they count as both weapon and ability

[gray quarry]

Thqt’ll probably be my next one

[cold fog]

Okay i guess I'll make the switch to zenirik then. Goodbye madurai

[scarlet slate]

I'm leaning into utility/charge rate for the build. In about 2 rounds of ESO I managed to get to around 60% charge before leaving

Do make sure you have any lens equipped on everything because dear lord without it, the charge is slow

[median heron]

so its useless basically

[pseudo lodge]

Ok so a guass Vaderia build is really fun. Does anybody have any ways I can make it better?

Because of the blast

[lean rivet]

Wait does it actually stack??

That needs to be tested because I have a loot frame build that would get into the 1000s for droprate potentially

It would be hyper specific and during weekend + relic + booster but still

[austere flume]

Secondary iradiate seems insane, but unsure what secondary to use with it. First thoughts are ocucor or cuva nucor, any ideas?

[pseudo lodge]

Ok I need y’all’s opinion on a build. I’m trying to make and tell me if it’s worth devoting any resources to.

[proud anchor]

Laetum maybe

[pseudo lodge]

Thermal transfer vadarya

[lean rivet]

Use Nyx for radiation and then it’s any weapon you could ever want

[pseudo lodge]

Or the two other radiation frames like Oberon or qorvex(my beloved)

[lean rivet]

Just put Qorvex’s subsume in anyone and suddenly it doesn’t even matter anymore

[austere flume]

ooh, oberon could be fun maybe 😛

[pseudo lodge]

BUT I LOVR HIM

[pseudo lodge]

I’ve been a fan since he was shit so

[lean rivet]

My poor puppy buffs

GONE even though it’s better now

[blissful atlas]

Would Melee influence with elec (obviously) and gas work on dual ichor incarnon? (As in triggerin its incarnon kill passive thingy)

[austere flume]

though i guess you could also just put smite on anyone aswell and have radiation that was xD

[pseudo lodge]

Call me crazy I prefer old smite

[lean rivet]

Radiation Grimoire would be a fun one

[pseudo lodge]

Mostly because it was very useful on a build, I was running

[pseudo lodge]

Qorvex smite died

[lean rivet]

What did old smite do again?

[pseudo lodge]

Hitting enemy split but lost its punch through but qorvex had +3 punch

And smite used to be considered weapon damage for some godforsaken reason

[lean rivet]

Ah so it was a chroma-like issue of old code

[pseudo lodge]

Same with nova actually her null star is considered weapon damage so it can trigger shit like nourish

[lean rivet]

Gone are the days when people had trouble killing Zanuka and Grustag Three 😂

[pseudo lodge]

So you know, that’s what I do. I do that with that one heat augment

[lean rivet]

I use decoy on mind control then stack it with the augments for Nyx

Then I put Mecha mods on my companion and watch the world burn

[pseudo lodge]

I’ve literally never touched her. I got her to rank 30 and then instantly fed her to Greg.

[lean rivet]

I use the mushroom ephemera on Nyx too so I get infested companions one way or another

[pseudo lodge]

I want Nokko so baaaad

The grind kind of sucks ass and because of the new event stuff happening no one’s gonna be playing it, and I don’t want to do it solo

[lean rivet]

Just trade for platinum and buy him

I used the free stuff for him that I get on psn

[dire flint]

My Uriel build

I’m wondering if i messed up

[pseudo lodge]

I’m trying

Everything‘s expensive and nothing I have sells

[lean rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-made-creator-stolen-gif-20229431

[lean rivet]

Filter chat first and it becomes a lot easier to sell stuff

[karmic rapids]

Does anyone have a good nikana prime build?

[dire flint]

I’m wondering if it’s a decent build or not lol

[lean rivet]

I always filter out rivens entirely unless i’m looking for them, and I have chat trimmed down so far that I can look at stuff to sell passively

[lean rivet]

Personally I never use energize because it’s a bottlenecking crutch

beyond that idk

[median heron]

I used to deal exclusively with rivens few years ago, still have like 200 filters for rivens only

[lean rivet]

Yeah I tried that but too but it’s too time consuming

I just watch chat for an easy thing. Like when archon mods came out, I made 15,000 platinum.

[median heron]

Each triple stat combo has 6 different names

[lean rivet]

When I filter rivens out I just put a not filter for cri & cro

Cleans up a lot of chat

[median heron]

My goal was to only see good rivens and nothing else though

[shy night]

hello this build is good?

[lean rivet]

And mine is to filter out the hyper high sellers because it had crit or was unrolled. Riven market has a lot of ridiculous standards that make no sense to me. And most people over value only the upfront powerful things.

[rough night]

Oh, decoy used to dispell mind control if used AFTER, was it fixed?

[lean rivet]

When did that happen

[rough night]

About 1999

[lean rivet]

I just use decoy then mind control and it hasn’t broken for me

[rough night]

I remember playing a lot of loki in the period between 1999 and 1999 2nd wave

[lean rivet]

Might be a loki issue then, did you make a bug report

[pseudo lodge]

I don’t know the term “used to deal “mixed with your profile picture is sending me for some reason

[lean rivet]

Name seems familiar to me, probably one of the really chill people about rivens. There’s only a dozen or so of those.

[cloud venture]

got lucky with a aeolak riven and wanted to know which of these would generally be better

[quiet laurel]

both unslottable so doesnt matter

[cloud venture]

wdym?

[quiet laurel]

riven cant replace a mod for a normal build

but probs right

[lean rivet]

Would Aeolak not use those stats?

[vocal igloo]

Is the healing archon mod good on Uriel

[lean rivet]

Aeolak is primary right?

[vocal igloo]

Yea

[cloud venture]

yeah

[lean rivet]

I’d say right is better, for my preferences anyway. Faction mod stuff gets wacky and makes a lot of your builds inconsistent if it isn’t an everything faction riven.

New Primary Arcane makes a weapon use it status effect parts and Aeolak has 30%+ status chance

[quiet laurel]

left is outright unslottable tho

right could go for toxin mod ig

[woven fox]

can i get a uriel build

[vocal igloo]

Is archon intensify good on? Uriel

[lean rivet]

Precision Intensity would be better I think, isn’t the 4 the nuke?

[vocal igloo]

Yes, it is Uriel’s [50 %off death] y’all button

[frigid crater]

Ok question of the century

Do you guys Trust ninjase builds?

[quiet laurel]

ye

[frigid crater]

I like him a lot

Most of his builds are pretty expensive i saw the fellarx build but he's the Guy i always go to see what i need in a weapon

[median heron]

I dont know what that means

[pseudo lodge]

Nvrm

Is the juttni brace ok

I have the raplak prism and the pencha scaffold

[hollow zodiac]

best uriel arcane?

[pseudo lodge]

Hotshot

[half gate]

anyone know a good damage caster build for lavos?

[daring matrix]

we got some build for the new prime weapons?

[split sluice]

I don't think trust is the right word, but I'd never use one, any helminths are boring as hell and they aren't made in conjunction with the rest of your equipment

[hollow zodiac]

does it cost alot maxed?

[pseudo lodge]

Yes

[hollow zodiac]

how much

[frigid crater]

Yeah that's why i always go for non-helminth builds

His xaku build is pretty good
His voruna build is
Something

[hollow zodiac]

and the second arcane?

[pseudo lodge]

Idk I haven’t used him yet. All I know is he has heat and hot shot is how you make heat better.

[hollow zodiac]

he have a nuke

[pseudo lodge]

I do personally

[pseudo lodge]

You can’t go wrong with molt obviously

[hollow zodiac]

which molt

[pseudo lodge]

Augmented

[split sluice]

People have been buying a lot pf camisados because that obviously works well with him

[hollow zodiac]

what does that even mean please

[pseudo lodge]

Oooo you don’t say :3

[split sluice]

Arcane camisado grants a strength buff when summons attack

[frigid crater]

All i can hear is
PROFIT
PROFIT
PROFIT

[pseudo lodge]

GROFIT

[hollow zodiac]

augmented max price?

[frigid crater]

EBETITI

[pseudo lodge]

I can just give you war frame.market

[frigid crater]

I think It sells for 60

[hollow zodiac]

k ty

[frigid crater]

No, 40, void cascade destroyed the prices

[undone dust]

yeah its 40-50

[pseudo lodge]

Seriously that’s the only reason I have

[frigid crater]

I dont do void cascade because my amp is trash and so are my builds

But, when i did lvl cap
I only got 10 molt augmented

[pseudo lodge]

The I just started making my I’ve had it for so long, but I’ve gotta get a new one

[frigid crater]

So yikes

[undone dust]

madurai

[pseudo lodge]

That’s the mayor of New York, right?

[frigid crater]

its the laser beam btw

[undone dust]

yeah, void strike solves that

[undone dust]

close

[tawdry cargo]

which riven is better for telos boltor?

[undone dust]

i like left tbh, -fr hurts and PT is a really nice thing to have on it, and telos is more crit/raw damage oriented so the sc isnt as important but the +dmg is nice

[tawdry cargo]

i know
i like left more too
i was trying to get others option

[waxen bobcat]

Khora build for farming(

[undone dust]

right would be good but the -fire rate actually kills it

[graceful jasper]

Here is my Vinquibus build. Please critique anything I can do better! (aside from ranking my mods up lol I am aware)

[tawdry cargo]

i kept rerolling
and i got this good roll

i do lose pt and 60% crit chance

[undone dust]

honestly id value the extra pt more

since it isn't an aoe weapon

[tawdry cargo]

yeah :/

[autumn bane]

is this weapon good?

[undone dust]

but you could just use primed shred and slot the riven over vital sense tbh

[tawdry cargo]

that is true

[honest anchor]

this decent?

[toxic cypress]

can anything be improved on this? gonna add psf later

[undone dust]

id swap belli for augmented since you're not really going to get all that much str from 1.2k health

[versed harbor]

me trying to spot the frame

[toxic cypress]

oh word

[honest anchor]

i think uriel from the back

[toxic cypress]

its uriel lol

kinda dementia'd and forgot to say the frame

[sonic herald]

from what i understand from primary bulwark, gain 1% damage per armor unit past 1000, so I jusst need 1500 armor on a frame then?

[mighty flare]

yes

[mighty flare]

if this is uriel, you dont need catalyzing or fleeting or the augur mods
use flow, bkind rage/transient fortitide, archon vitality

[toxic cypress]

ty but one more thing

bison steak is S tier

[shrewd ledge]

Would the summoners wrath aura mod be viable for uriel?

[mighty flare]

no

[oblique depot]

Should I swap Primed point blank for Primed Ravage?

[mighty flare]

camisado is okay cuz speed boost & free str, but summons are moreso crowd control & utility
dont need wrath for them

[sonic herald]

if you believe in the consistency of the merciless, yeah

[old marsh]

What weapon is this?

[oblique depot]

strun prime

This is the riven

[old marsh]

Oh yeah. I am dumb. Should have seen the riven

[old marsh]

But ye. U already have merciless & that riven. Go with ravage

[oblique depot]

Ok, thanks folks!

[sonic herald]

it having cd too, you could change it for a bane mod

[old marsh]

👆

[oblique depot]

I don't have any primed bane

I'll prolly wait till Baroo has them then

[late bramble]

Anyone got a good nova build, mine is uh... lacking to say the least

[covert badger]

Is this a weird triple umbra grendel build?

[untold furnace]

what frame should i use for lunaro

and mods

[cinder iron]

How can I make this build for Nataruk viable for steel path?

[untold furnace]

dunno that seems too excessive for lunaro

[cinder iron]

hm

[dire flint]

Is Firewalker needed on Uriel?

The exilus mod

[mossy juniper]

almost same haha

[next dune]

builds for the mausolon for hunhullus fight? dunno what i need for some op dmg

[mighty flare]

not needed no, but can be fun

[mighty flare]

you pair this with secondary enervate and deadhead/crux
combustion rounds is flexible and you can swap between viral/corro

[small kraken]

Hey, should I go for a strength or a range and duration build for Uriel? What critiques would y’all make?

[urban ice]

whats a good build for dual tox

[oblique dust]

This shreds pretty nicely, the arcane is secondary encumber btw

[mossy juniper]

is this good for glaxion?

[full dawn]

how strong is influence ceti lacera?

[cyan star]

Should be more than serviceable, really good base sc and cc and the elec weighting is naturally nice too as is

[full dawn]

sick

[hot laurel]

any builds for the vinquibus (melee)

[frigid crater]

Damn, i really dont know if commodore's Fortune is better than ripper rounds

Trust ninjase or trust myself

[coral crest]

Trust yourself

[eternal goblet]

Anyone has a protea prime beginner build that does good damage against against lvl 70 n up

[coral crest]

Exercise independence

Feel the power of your decisions

[frigid crater]

I chose... I-i chose... i chose NEUROTOXIN

[coral crest]

And you shall do it

The power is in your hands

[half mica]

Who has Garuda prime system relics or Garuda prime system bp

[frigid crater]

WOAAAAAAAAAA-
My dual toxocyst is doing 2.6k dmg such a trash weapon

[coral crest]

Yes, move on to something cooler

[frigid crater]

Like the kuva nukorrrrr

[oblique dust]

The mighty seer

[coral crest]

Yes, the mighty seer

I can't stand dual tox it looks horrible on most frames

[frigid crater]

The dual coda torxica....

[coral crest]

Dual torx also looks horrible but in a good way

[frigid crater]

Its like " that thing genuinely shouldnt exist and its why i love it "

[coral crest]

Dagath with them looks so badass though

Her noble dual pistol stance completes it

[mighty flare]

it is

[coral crest]

Yeah it probably ultimately is. Punch through isn't gonna help if you aren't killing enemies

[mighty flare]

you can mod for punch through

[coral crest]

Yep

And you can't really get this amount of base crit for free otherwise

[frigid crater]

Thought It helped with ricochet

[frigid crater]

Yeah i think that things dying pretty fast is the right choice
And, a bonus, is red crits

[mighty flare]

you can just use a mod and get punch through

[kind void]

Tenno join me in prayer to lotus that our man inaros main comes back with good news in regards to arcane persistence

[coral crest]

What sort of news

Either a bug or an obvious realization?

Or was there a test inbound?

[undone dust]

an obvious realization that the nerf didnt do much?

[coral crest]

[kind void]

No after the nerf the arcane seemed to be dead. But the main worry was about acolyte violence. But it seems his silence might not actually affect the arcane

Magnetic and nullies are fine. You can avoid them. But violence was a different story

But inaros main said he did a level cap run and never had an issue with him so he’s gone back in to find violence and see if the silence ability turns the arcane off or not

If it doesn’t then the arcane is actually in a good spot. If it doesn’t then the arcane is more of less dead

[celest moss]

Any decent Uriel / Vinquibus builds up yet? If not, what should I build for on each?

[frigid crater]

... But... Using a mod isnt cool...

[undone dust]

just use merciless gunfight LMAO!!

[frigid crater]

Oh wait i AM using merciless gunfight already

... I really dont know how to mod, im gonna follow everything ninjase creates

[undone dust]

show the setup twin

[frigid crater]

Alr 1 sec big dawg

[undone dust]

[golden plank]

careen+ice storm seems to work well on a bunch of frames

as long as you dont pick melee focus frames

[frigid crater]

IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM I AM ALREADY GRINDING ENDO FOR THAT

[undone dust]

yeah i think the lack of that being maxed might hurt a wee bit

i use creeping anyway though #unoptimal

[coral crest]

Oh right I think I asked about that

[lean rivet]

I don’t see how that would make or break it

Just don’t get hit for that one boss even if it’s level cap

[undone dust]

violence basically shafts like everything anyway

[coral crest]

If your arcane is disabled, any stray bullet instakills you

[kind void]

But he doesn’t take away shield gate. You can still survive a hit and regen shield.

[coral crest]

^

[undone dust]

just be awesome

[coral crest]

As much as I am extremely defensive about this arcane

Violence is a legit thing that might hurt it a lot

[lean rivet]

I think the arcane is in a great place even given that if you buff your operator enough though

[kind void]

How would you feel if he turned off your shield gate? Now any random enemy that hits you will 1 shot you.

[lean rivet]

Health couldn’t survive anything before after 1000 or so and this is a nice way to do a little extra regular content with it

[coral crest]

Imagine if violence appeared and you can't shield gate anymore

[lean rivet]

I mean it did survive, but in a more practical sense I mean

[coral crest]

The point was to bring them to cap with this arcane

Due to reliable gating

[kind void]

No it couldn’t. This entire arcane is designed around extremely high level content. Places where health tanks either get 1 shot or have a death gate like nidus

[coral crest]

Not to just wave it away as "some extra content"

Consistent scaling survivability is key in cap and this arcane adds one

In lower levels it's basically useless

[lean rivet]

It was? I thought it was to help with how squishy health frames get in the new endgame of level 1000s steel path

There’s a few that kind of drop if you don’t have mod space for the frame especially

[kind void]

So imagine this. You are doing solo endurance and violence spawns. Congrats your run is over because you die the moment anything looks at you. Respawn and the silence hits you instantly again so you die instantly again

[coral crest]

Most frames who can use this arcane are perfectly fine with investment

[kind void]

Most of the health frames were ok on base steel path. This arcane was made to allow them to do much much higher levels content where shield gate was the only method to survive

[coral crest]

It's not much difference. Arcane activates the moment you take enough dmg to surpass 500 fast

Before that it's garbo

[lean rivet]

I get the will to run endurance, I do it too. I’m just saying we’ve gotten some operator buffs too and I think you can manage somewhat even if it does. At least compared to what we had before.

[coral crest]

That's not really the point

[kind void]

They gave us an arcane to fix a problem and then made the arcane useless

[lean rivet]

That’s the point that i’m making about it. Did DE say it was meant to go level cap though?

[coral crest]

They didn't quite make it useless

But added a potential hard counter that is rng dependent

And that really sucks

[lean rivet]

Like I was under the impression that it was to help in active game content within ~4 hours endurance. Iirc doesn’t level cap happen after 7 or so?

[coral crest]

This doesn't actually matter

[kind void]

Pretty much. The arcane is useless until you can take 500 damage a second and with at least 700 armor for it to even activate you are pretty tanky

[coral crest]

Level does not matter

If it's high enough to make the arcane put in work

[lean rivet]

But did DE directly say it was for level cap

[coral crest]

It doesn't matter past that point

[coral crest]

Let me phrase it in a more concise manner

[lean rivet]

So far everyone’s avoiding the question i’m trying to understand here

[kind void]

No they didn’t but the requirements for it make it clear what the intention was

[lean rivet]

if it was not flatly said “This arcane is so you can go to level cap with health”. I have been under the impression that the arcane is for up to level 3000s.

I think it’s balanced for below 3000 pretty fairly.

[kind void]

But it won’t even work there anymore. Since past level 1000 enemies do enough dmg to 1 shot most health tanks.

So at level 1000 if violence spawns you die

End of story. That’s it. Game over

[lean rivet]

Considering my Vazarin Drifter has a 40 second free revive bubble I think I could murder a level 1000 Violence in that time.

[undone dust]

this is depressing

i wanted to use nidus in cap without getting immediately shafted

[lean rivet]

I’m only saying it’s a bit quick to judge it as impractical or impossible if Violence removes it with silence.

[coral crest]

@lean rivet

This arcane gives you a way to bottleneck the damage per second

Bottlenecking the damage comes with a caviat of anything lower easily passing through. If you have reached any level that isn't cap where bottleneck activates you are getting blasted regardless of what level enemies have. Your health tanking is already past it's expiration date.

It's a consistent way to stay alive in any level that is above your expiration date. Violence potentially throws a wrench into that by just removing your bottleneck. If you anywhere near the expiration date you are screwed. Doesn't matter if it's a cap or not

Inaros main said he'll test it

That's about it

[kind void]

Violence removes it for 30 seconds and it’s an aoe in 20m. So as a health tank if you get within 20m of violence it’s shut off. And then if anything touches you, you die

[kind void]

Test is done. He confirmed that violence disabled it

[coral crest]

Well sad

[lean rivet]

I was thinking i’d test it too but don’t have arcane just yet. I think in this case though silence is pretty strong/broken and defies it’s purpose.

[coral crest]

That does throw a wrench

I called people delusional over the nerf because on 99% of frames it doesn't matter, but Violence suddenly becomes an absolute hard counter

[kind void]

Yah if silence didn’t stop it we wouldn’t be worried. Since nullies and magnetic can be avoided. But you can’t avoid an invisible 20m aoe that lets any dmg kill you

[coral crest]

It's a very fair point and having rng to spawn a thing that just removes your survivability sucks

[kind void]

I get the hard mode bosses. I get the nullies and magnetic but violence is to far

[coral crest]

And you can't even do anything about it

[lean rivet]

Maybe the fix is to reduce Violence’s AoE instead and make it more visible like the effects of eximus

[keen sapphire]

anyone got a gara build for sp?

that isnt a lash nuke build

[kind void]

Outside of killing him the frame he spawns in

[kind void]

That won’t help. It’s almost a permanent field and you can destroy it like a nully

[coral crest]

They either revert the nerf or change the interactions in some way. I doubt they'll change Violence

[kind void]

There is legit no counter to it

[lean rivet]

Mechanics that are unavoidable are already kind of disruptive on their own. But the main issue is you can’t see it and it’s 20m wide right? I think if it was 5m wide and visible that would be a pretty big difference.

[coral crest]

Yeah it's an invisible teleporting walking Nullifier field

[kind void]

Oh and just for fun the acolytes wil teleport to you. So if you thought you could run you can’t

[spare geyser]

Should I remove Molt Efficiency from my Protea or no?

[lean rivet]

And i’m saying to make it not invisible and reduce range

[celest moss]

Do Uriel's demons proc Arcane Camisado?

[coral crest]

Yes, but then Violence just teleports to you

So it doesn't matter

[lean rivet]

Dodge the anime teleport I believe in you

[coral crest]

[kind void]

As far as we know there is only 1 counter to it. You have to 1 shot him as he spawns

[coral crest]

Yep

But good luck being right where violence is on spawn

[undone dust]

concentration just seems better since she's caster heavy so probably

[kind void]

So you have to predict where he spawns. Have enough damage to instantly kill him even though he has shield gate and time it perfectly so he can’t cast silence

[undone dust]

yes

[coral crest]

Or subsume silence yourself by which point it doesn't matter if you're a healthtank or not

[tawdry cargo]

so i got a really good roll
i just have to have a pt mod now

[kind void]

Yup. But also using an entire subsume for a single rng enemy is a massive bandaid. Especially considering that this entire arcane is meant to be the bandaid already

Bandaidception

[coral crest]

A bandaid so big there's literally no other arcane as influential as this one gameplay wise

[kind void]

It’s bad enough that I won’t be using it on my nidus. The arcane slot is simply better used for something else

[undone dust]

primed shred baybay!

[kind void]

High level play is all about consistency and this arcane is not that

[tawdry cargo]

yeup just got to max out that mod

[celest moss]

Hell yeah

[reef leaf]

Is anyone else having trouble with Overframe's... everything?

I can't even find builds

[coral crest]

With how other existing downsides pretty much don't matter on frames that can use it, im kind of expecting them to just revert the nerf

If they won't, then

[kind void]

Well we both know that it is in fact overpowered

[tawdry cargo]

only downside
i dont have alot of mod slots

[kind void]

So it needs a change. Of some kind

I would be happy with silence being removed as a counter

[coral crest]

Yeah, fair enough

[undone dust]

hunter mumu can definitely be dropped, i recommend corro cold primary frostbite on telos

[muted yarrow]

I try to make hildryn immortal

[kind void]

they patched that

[reef leaf]

Regarding Arcane Persistence: I think the two obvious options for a nerf would have been to either:

1. Make the cap a % of HP
2. Make healing temporarily increase the cap, so that incoming damage can always outpace healing

[coral crest]

% of hp would kinda make it like Catalyzing shields in terms of design

[kind void]

i think that first one is a good idea

[coral crest]

I'll take it

[kind void]

cause then arcane grace wont work anymore

so passive healing sint enough

[coral crest]

True

[kind void]

you need active healing

like gloom n such which means no afk

[reef leaf]

IIRC, it's also the same thing they did to enemy Damage Attenuation, so there's symmetry there

[coral crest]

And it would put a leash on extreme hp health tanks

[kind void]

yah like the 40k hp nidus

that regens like 2k health a second

[coral crest]

Solves afk and absolute immortals

[tawdry cargo]

so like this?
if so ill test to see if i like it
also, i use crux for the ammo efficiency

[kind void]

yah honestly someone make a post about it

[coral crest]

100% make a forum post about it

[kind void]

that would fix the problem and it wouldnt need a nerf at all

[undone dust]

yeah like that

[kind void]

so we could use it at all times. nullies and fire and corrosive still counter it. nullies prevent most types of active healing and heat and corrosive hit armor to disable it

so it has counters. has a limit. cant be abused

[coral crest]

But it is consistent

[kind void]

exactly

[coral crest]

Still keep it per second though

[kind void]

well yah

[coral crest]

So lower levels wouldnt have a freebie

[shell tundra]

Arcane Expertise on Hildryn Prime is criminal

[coral crest]

Arcane Persistence on Hildryn is criminal

The no ability meta

[shell tundra]

The one thing holding my reservations is that I’ve gotten used to Arcane Barrier activating when Arcane Aegis isn’t active and vice versa

Highkey I wanna test this in a Netracell environment so I have a general idea for how this is gonna go

[kind void]

oh also it need a lower limit so you can run min health to cheese with tiny bits of healing

[coral crest]

True

[reef leaf]

For %cap, I'm thinking something like:

R0: 75%/s
R1: 65%/s
R2: 55%/s
R3: 45%/s
R4: 35%/s
R5: 25%/s

75% means it takes 1.33s to kill you, like Catalyzing Shields
25% means it takes 4s to kill you (5s with Arcane Grace), similar to a Protea shield-gate (5s)

... good point about the lower limit. Maybe make it also require a certain amount of HP?

[kind void]

so i would say it cant go below 500?

[coral crest]

[kind void]

no the armor already fixes that. im more looking at players running min health and then using basic healing. to do dumb things.

[coral crest]

Dragon key meta

Back at it again

[reef leaf]

What I was thinking was: if your max HP must be at least 740 (Excalibur + Vitality) to activate the Arcane, as opposed to just requiring armor, then trying to Dragon Key won't help.

But just setting a minimum cap might be easier for players to understand

[kind void]

yah the 700 armor makes it so that you need to be decently tanky as is. adding in more restrictions will just overly complicate things

i agree with the 25% thing. that would be perfect

[coral crest]

Yeah, you nailed it down first time

[lean rivet]

What if I just put vazarin artifact power down and damage linked to kill violence

🧌

[coral crest]

Inb4 that's their actual mindset

[kind void]

as i said before why use the arcane at all. just kill everything so it cant hit you

[coral crest]

I think they meant immortality it gives

[undone dust]

true..

[lean rivet]

Both

You’re immortal and the water sphere links all damage inside it

it’s a massive damage dealer

[coral crest]

You run Vazarin because of damage linking, I run Vazarin because I don't trust my teammates. We are not the same

[vital eagle]

I figure i should share the build I made for my uriel. Subsumed his 4 for fire blast. It works actually really well

[coral crest]

Ember is on suicide watch

[lean rivet]

I run vazarin because I like being a protector

It’s a pretty good all a-rounder now

It does everything I want for linking all my builds together and more

[reef leaf]

I ran Roar Protea for my first two Artifacts, basically spending as much time as possible in the air placing long-range Blaze Artillery, but I'm getting a little bored.

Do any of you have ||Perita Rebellion|| builds that you really enjoy, that I could try to add some variety?

[wicked scaffold]

for a volt wrathful advance build, is okina prime better or is nami solo better for melee volt gameplay? ive been told nami solos great but im not feeling the importance behind follow through (accidentally posted this in the wrong channel at first)

[storm fog]

Man are the arcanes really that busted? lol

[kind void]

well other then the one that was already neutered

[undone dust]

nami since high FT is really really nice

[storm fog]

Awe what it got nerfed day one or something?….

[undone dust]

day two basically LMAO

[kind void]

pretty much

[storm fog]

Man I swear power creep just keeps getting worse and worse lol. Love it

[kind void]

they ripped it apart and turned it into an rng check

[storm fog]

Bruhhh lets us play with it for a bit 😩

[kind void]

pretty much bad luck is instant death

[undone dust]

i love gambling!

[kind void]

fortunatly with the insane backlash DE is getting for it there is a decent chance it gets reverted or adjusted

im betting on violence getting removed from the list

[undone dust]

i still don't get magnetic disabling it

[kind void]

eh its annoying but you can avoid it and target the enemy without getting nuked

same with nullies. violence has no counter other then 1 shotting him on spawn or using silence yourself

[undone dust]

me when a stalker fanboy spawns in just to shush and kill my bloodline

[kind void]

my face when my health tank cant tank cause some random dude turned me into a baby

[spare geyser]

Is it recommended to use Molt Efficiency or Arcane Concentration on Protea?

[kind void]

i think concentration

protea doesnt need much effic

but that duration does help

keep in mind i dont use her so i could be wrong

[spare geyser]

Molt Efficiency gives 36% duration while shields are up

[undone dust]

ponder for a moment if 60% is a bigger number than 36%

[kind void]

i thought it alsogave effic

[undone dust]

no thats impetus

[kind void]

oof

[spare geyser]

True, but one is permanent and one goes away

[kind void]

just nidus problems

[undone dust]

you are constantly casting with protea

[kind void]

does it apply to the ability that activates it?

[spare geyser]

True

[spare geyser]

No

[kind void]

then no

[undone dust]

i dont believe so but you usually just stack the weaker abilities before using your main ones

[kind void]

arcane effic will be better overall

i value consistancy over everything else. needing to waste energy and time to get more duration is kinda meh imo

[spare geyser]

Is there even much difference between the two tbh? Seems like a 1.2 second difference on the turrets and zero difference on the temporal anchor

[undone dust]

you kinda waste energy to get higher strength with her

[spare geyser]

But then again

Shields break, casts dont

[wide timber]

What are the most important weapon stats for a flying wisp build(besides range)

[undone dust]

well she has phenomenal gating so honestly it can go either way

[spare geyser]

I mean you can gate either way, but then not having a debuff when shields arent up might be nice- about time I retire ye ol' Molt Efficiency

[undone dust]

true and real!

[limpid smelt]

Arcane Expertise is no joke jesus

[kind void]

put it on rhino with parasitic shields

my rhino hits 150k iron skin with 2 button presses

[undone dust]

i saw someone day 1 with it on hildryn with parasitic and they had like 48k armor

[limpid smelt]

cool

[kind void]

yah expertise is nuts

[undone dust]

it's also practically free damage for aegis gale

[kind void]

with a proper rhino i gain legit 104k armor every time ironclad charge hits an enemy

im curious with ironclad charge how much iron ski ncan i get

[surreal egret]

yall, so i just got back into playing wf (i havent played since technorot encore) and i was wondering if anything meta-wise changed

[spare geyser]

A lot.

[limpid smelt]

that too I noticed ts crazy

[kind void]

they made health tanking viable for about 24h and then cut off its balls

[spare geyser]

Ive seen people with 10 mil iron skin before

[surreal egret]

i must be missing a bit then cuz huh?

[kind void]

its kind caused a bit of an uproar in the community cause they nerf was overdone

[kind void]

they added an arcane that limits how much damage health can take per second

and then made it so that everything can disable it XD

nully. magnetic procs. anything that disables abilities

[surreal egret]

i always hated that lol

anything weapon-wise?

[kind void]

and cause of violence you get to roll a dice in endurace to see if you get to stay alive every 5 min

[old marsh]

For some reason it’s not showing increased shields for me

I have 300% STR

[undone dust]

i had to go in sim (or any mission) and go back out

[old marsh]

aah. so its just a trigger. and it stays on forever, even after restarting game?

[undone dust]

yes

[old marsh]

gotcha

[undone dust]

it also periodically raises your shields if you have things like molt augmented on

[old marsh]

cool stuff then. i need to modify a bit to get to 328% str for full armor strip. so removing molt aug is gonna hurt

[old marsh]

nah. i am using the secondary arcane for crit hits

arcane precision

[hearty scarab]

It removes it btw

[old marsh]

nvm. not crit hits. headshots

[undone dust]

you're using a headshot based arcane on an aoe exalted

[old marsh]

u would be surprised that it pretty much stays on all the time

i was surprised as well how easily it works

now i just need to get 328%. either 2 str shards or i upgrade my str mods to max.

[dull beacon]

Any good Sepulcrum steelpath build?

[crimson osprey]

im debatinhg on working on valkyr, but never quite clicked in with the kit

anyone like her post rework ?

baruuk is more my jam, but idk if valkyr is much fin

[charred gale]

Heard her 1 is rly fun now

[sour bear]

hey, is arcane persistence still worth using for health tanking? i’ve heard a lot of stuff about how it’s terrible now because of the magnetic and nullifier nerf

[azure osprey]

why does magnetic affect an armor arcane?

[crimson osprey]

Least interesting part of that kit, lol thanks, kind of makes me want to give it a pass. ill look into other frames, thank you

[inland quartz]

Hey guys, how can i get INF+1 multishot. (An actual screenshot not photoshopped frfr)

[charred gale]

Its only required for like lv cap cause ur not really gonna be taking that much dmg in base steel path so no

[charred gale]

Np

[azure osprey]

explain in great detail

[inland quartz]

Snort some demon core radiation

[azure osprey]

look into Atlas 🤤

[azure osprey]

check

[delicate meadow]

I... HOW?!

[inland quartz]

Next tell roathe you need his help to make albrecht and lyon angry

[sour bear]

that’s a dang good question, but de nerfed it yesterday so now the effects of the arcane are removed by magnetic for some reason 😭

[azure osprey]

instructions unclear: roathe is pregnant

[inland quartz]

Imma shoot away the sun

[crimson osprey]

hoo boy i had a long atlas talk here the other day, it didnt really go anywhere, atlas kit is a bit dated, the rubble portion was kind of difficulty to keep going, and required alot of petrifying to get off the ground, to even get the rubble. never did achieve 1400 to get the benefit of the augment either.

[azure osprey]

that doesn’t sound very intentional??

[delicate meadow]

I desire this power. How do I achieve it oh master of the mountain?

[azure osprey]

I acknowledge your points and I grant you a great deal of credit in your argument.

But punch

[inland quartz]

Oh god @minor summit , im sorry for the ping, but i think mandonel needs a buff still

[kind void]

not really. tbh if the frame can already has any form of survival you are better of building into it. the new arcane is just a less effective more complex version less consistant form of shield gate. if you try to use it in level cap where it actaully does something at all you will find its kinda useless

[kind void]

and nullies and acolyte violence

with the acolyte being the big problem

[inland quartz]

Imagine if pablo actually replied and all he can do is question the horrors he seen me commit

[crimson osprey]

i wish theyd give him a tlc, though im not entirely sure waht that would look like.. as it stands i feel im better off giving him fist weapons and using him as a melee summoner with rumblers

[azure osprey]

give him the ash treatment

[toxic cypress]

2 red 1 purp 2 yellow thoughts?

[crimson osprey]

not familair with that as i havent used ash since i crafted and leveled prime to 30

[azure osprey]

But I still love him and he’s one of the 3 warframes I had the patience to level cap with

[azure osprey]

They absolutely gave him some well deserved buffs and made his kit a lot more in line with modern balancing

Mainly buffing outdated durations like his invis and the removal of psuedoexalted

[charred gale]

Psuedoexalts dont exist anymore

[crimson osprey]

i just recall some odd interaction/button pressing for his ulty+some other ability to let him tp and attack

[charred gale]

Or well stat sticking them doesnt

Wait im dumb

Ignore what i said

[crimson osprey]

caqn you expand on that?

And are there any fist weapons that dont do annoying knockback/ragdolling?

[inland quartz]

Does he have infinite multishot though?

[sour bear]

ok. it kinda sucks to hear that ngl

[pseudo lodge]

I wish smite didnt change

[sour bear]

i haven’t been around in this game for super long but from what i’ve heard DE just doesn’t seem to take health tanking seriously and that kinda makes me sad

[pseudo lodge]

It broke a qorvex build I was using

[old marsh]

@fluid hare non primed and non Galv mod build for your Brakk

[inland quartz]

Sadly not infinite multishot

[sour bear]

im literally making an oberon build as we speak 😆

[inland quartz]

Lewl love my mandonel pic it funny

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[azure osprey]

They increased damage on his 1 (negligible)
Increased projectiles from 2 to 5 on his 1
Enemies hit by Shuriken now contribute to combo count

Smoke Screen duration increased; 12s up from 8s

They made Fatal Teleport a part of his kit and reworked that augment

sorry it took me a bit, I had to find the dev workshop post

[pseudo lodge]

I love Oberon if you can’t tell from my profile picture I like deer and I’m really glad he got a rework, but it broke a bill I was using, and that makes me vaguely upset

[inland quartz]

Scroll uo if you havent seen already

[inland quartz]

Mwhahaha

[old marsh]

i have

[sour bear]

may i ask what the build was, just for experiences sake? i’m kinda intrigued

[crimson osprey]

thanks! maybe ill look into him.. i am unfamiluar with fist wepaons, but im pretty sure ankyros prime at least does stupid kb which is rough to use

[inland quartz]

Pablo will weep when he sees it

[pseudo lodge]

I was using his intrinsic punch through so that whenever it hit someone it split, but because of the extra punch through, it had more life in the air

So it would just spread and spread and spread so far

Because old smite was considered weapon damage

Similar to null stars

[sour bear]

oooooo that sounded really spicy

i’m sorry de broke it for u 😔

[pseudo lodge]

Nah I’d rather have Oberon better lol

I wish my favorite designed frame was better, but the game is just moved past her and it’s very sad

My gal T-T

[sour bear]

yeah, that seems to be the double-edged sword of warframe. with how much the game changes and all the new things we get, there’s so much new stuff to try but also so much that becomes kinda irrelevant 😭

[pseudo lodge]

I’m a sucker for hunters/Artemis inspired characters

[sour bear]

that’s lowkey how i feel about chroma, i love dragons so much but his kit is kinda stale with how the sandbox is now

[sour bear]

big fan of ivana i take it?

[valid cargo]

Whats the best helmith for kullervo

[pseudo lodge]

Mhm

[pseudo lodge]

Shock

At least that’s what I use lol

[inland quartz]

Roar on 4th

Decoy too if you use damage decoy augment (its for loki)

[sour bear]

yeah she seems incredibly cool, i’m not super sure of how the focus school ultimates work but i bet there’s some cool synergies she can have with the bow one

[inland quartz]

Synergizes with his 3rd

[pseudo lodge]

That is curious are they programmed like bows and actual weapons or are they programmed separately?

Could you theoretically activate longbow headshot with the bow?

[sour bear]

that’s a really good question actually, i can’t find anything about it in the wiki but there’s definitely a chance it could stack

[sour bear]

actually speaking of oberon, how are we feeling about the build so far?

i’m planning on using arcane universal fallout and molt augmented, as well as hallowed reckoning once i get it

[inland quartz]

Swap out equalibrium for purple shard or use a yellow for energy orb effectiveness

[crimson osprey]

okay im intrigued by ash

the guides leave a bit to be desired on his shaodw clones though

[kind void]

friends let me present

the anti tank

it has the 2 dumbest tanking methods the game has ever seen. and it fails to use either of them in any way

[sour bear]

okay, what would you suggest i should use instead? i’m definitely not 1000% against it, i just thought the synergy with how many health orbs oberon prints out would be awesome for energy economy

[pseudo lodge]

Make sure to get at at least one universal fallout

[crimson osprey]

what build? mines been a weapons platform that doesnt die for liek 10 years?

[pseudo lodge]

What? No that one I replied to.

[crimson osprey]

oh sorry im screwed up here

[pseudo lodge]

Lmao u good

[crimson osprey]

Does anyone have a working shadowe clones mod build? im not entirely sure what affects them, and i need to manually target enemies with it for it to cast?

[wintry olive]

can give me a weapon suggestion for primary...i want something different other than torid,phenmor,burston and strun.i want something underated but strong and fun for endurance run

[midnight horizon]

Bubonico

[crimson osprey]

Cedu ?

[midnight horizon]

Bubo and cedo are very similar

[crimson osprey]

i love the basmu too

sporothrix too

corinth

cedu is probably my most favorite, its just strong, and fun alternate fire.. basmus jsut feels good, needs primed ammo to feel better, sprothris is great with the mod, super fun

[oblique dust]

Arcane Arachne work with last stand?

[pseudo lodge]

Is strum good?

[crimson osprey]

i was thinkign shedu bubonico are similar

[midnight horizon]

Well they are both arm cannons yeah

But cedo and bubo is the better comparison cuz they both prime like crazy

[pseudo lodge]

I’m liking the vadariea

I’m using it on my thermal transfer guass

[crimson osprey]

So any ash players?

[inland quartz]

I did just suggest other options, for mods tho until you get the shards mentioned rage/hunters works cause he has constant healing

[pseudo lodge]

Use ash with dark verce over his 4 and the harmony

[crimson osprey]

lol wat

yall are messing with me with that.

im curious how poeple build the shadow clones

[pseudo lodge]

No it’s real. You stack your slash procs and they get extremely high and you can do dumb damage.

[kind void]

i made it worse

small fix. made it worse still

[crimson osprey]

hmmm

[kind void]

there is objectivly nothing wrong with this build

this is exaclty what they expected us to do

[lean rivet]

When do we get a cold damage operator arcane

I want some more interesting choices that make more sense for Vazarin 😂

Fear me and my flame hand spooooooky~

Or a converter mod that combines with an element to make Water visuals or something silly

like the flower mod

[golden plank]

guys, is this good?

i dont think amp even has crit chance?

[mighty flare]

they do and yeah its ok

[golden plank]

no way we go crit and multishot. XD this looks so busted omg

[kind void]

i have now made a post about the arcane. hopefully DE takes my easy and simple fix to persistence and we can put all of this behind us

[undone pier]

I think my builds are weak

[golden plank]

persistence is usable even with all the nerfs. I have tried on my chroma and it does make him really hard to kill (idk if valkyr uses it tho)

[kind void]

Usable sure. But it no longer does what it’s supposed to do which is give health tanks a consistent way to not get 1 shot in extremely high level content

[blazing finch]

How do I build caliban prime for eta

[blissful knoll]

Usable? It's still broken af