builds-discussion

[undone dust]

it can use either healing return or life strike

or both if you fw that

[spice wharf]

ok thank you guys ive been destroying my brain over this nerf

[coral crest]

Yeah it's really not bad at all

None of the frames that could use it well have any sort of problem with status

And those who can't deal with status directly have other ways to deal with it

[undone dust]

overguard and rolling guard being the easiest ways to negate it

[coral crest]

Only frame that kinda lost with that nerf is Citrine

She's got no status immunity or cleanse

[novel bear]

There were some suggestions of using it on wisp, which is a definite no go now
Not that she needs it

[undone dust]

she's more of a shield gater anyway

you usually drop her DR ability for cap

[coral crest]

Tell that to her hp regen

She's clearly designed as one

[novel bear]

She’s a health tank that can’t health tank at cap
That was most health tanks until persistence

[coral crest]

She can also do it now, but she has no innate ways to deal with the status nerf

[novel bear]

Rolling guard is never that hard to slot

[coral crest]

Exactly

[undone dust]

plus fortifier exists

[coral crest]

Health tanks finally eating good

And the food tastes like proper health tanking

[novel bear]

Fortifier kind of defeats the point I feel

[coral crest]

Instead of whatever the hell Fortifier is

[lean rivet]

Don’t forget parasitic vitality

[undone dust]

status immunity baybay!!

[lean rivet]

Nidus can share that life

[undone dust]

negate is peak

[novel bear]

Well of life subsume

[lean rivet]

My lootframe build uses Koumei + Nidus and other strength stuff

Like 12x ore gaze drop rate

[undone dust]

forgot about this

[coral crest]

What was the name of Titania's subsume

[lean rivet]

So whats the nerf everyone is talking about

[novel bear]

Spellbind

[lean rivet]

Spell bind I think

[coral crest]

It gave targeted status immunity

[lean rivet]

Yeah for you or others

[coral crest]

To yourself and allies

[novel bear]

Magnetic status disables persistence

[lean rivet]

That’s it??

[undone dust]

mag and nullifiers

[coral crest]

Persistence gets disabled inside Nullifiers bubbles or from magnetic procs

[lean rivet]

Does the one arcane nullifier prevent the bubbles or only magnetic

[novel bear]

Just magnetic

[coral crest]

You don't really need it anyway

[lean rivet]

Yeah kind of expected honestly

[coral crest]

Pretty much any frame who can run Persistence well has status immunity or cleanse

[orchid bane]

need a good acceltra prime build for steelpath

[undone dust]

heat procs also kind of screw over persistence on the lower armored frames that can still use persistence but you solve that the same way as you do with negating mag procs

[lean rivet]

Does toxin or DoT go past that 500/s limit too?

[coral crest]

No

It's any damage

[lean rivet]

Wow

Magnetic was definitely a great choice

[coral crest]

Arcane works by letting you take 500dmg and prevents taking any more damage until next second when it resets

It's kinda like damage attenuation

[winter steeple]

Any good phantasma build

[undone dust]

i need to touch up my nidus now tbh

[coral crest]

Be sure to wear gloves

[undone dust]

im touching you up instead

[coral crest]

Be sure to wear gloves, again

[undone dust]

raw..

[coral crest]

[lean rivet]

So it is the health gate I imagined

[undone dust]

i assume grace wouldnt be needed anymore on him

[coral crest]

Yep

[undone dust]

im debating on still using damage decoy with impetus for the most amount of strength

[lean rivet]

It also ties together really well with the energy drain build I had in mind

[coral crest]

Isn't it nice

[lean rivet]

Ever used Decoy on Nyx before?

[coral crest]

Meta hasn't really been impacted but tons of frames got to finally use their natural tools to survive at cap

It's really nice to see

[undone dust]

no, i dont play nyx

[lean rivet]

DE has always been great at equalizing things

[onyx remnant]

Does amalgam barrel diffusion make Uriel fly faster?

[undone dust]

im gonna use slamkong with sancti and persistence

[unborn light]

is mirage eclipse better than rhinos roar for subsuming?

[coral crest]

The evil persistent monkey

[undone dust]

no matter what happens that damn monkey will always be in the background

[coral crest]

Roar is better. It also works with status.

Eclipse doesn't work with status and has a much higher investment requirement for the same effect

[crimson rampart]

which is better?

[severe bough]

Mhm which weapon

[crimson rampart]

lizzie

[unborn light]

ty

[crimson rampart]

Temples 4th

[lean rivet]

What was the one mid slam related incarnon

Or was there a couple

[severe bough]

U can go blast tox and play archon cont so u get coro

[lean rivet]

Fragor right?

[undone dust]

fragor isnt an incarnon

[coral crest]

There are Ruvox and Magistar

[crimson rampart]

Temple id heat

[coral crest]

These are slam incarnons

[lean rivet]

Different one then, but there was an ice hammer I think

[undone dust]

i was going to say furax but furax is actually a really solid slam incarnon

[crimson rampart]

wait that could work

[undone dust]

sibear

[lean rivet]

Yeah that one

[severe bough]

It def works

[coral crest]

Sibear ah yes

The only weapon worthwhile to buy from Darvo

[lean rivet]

Use Sibear slam with the one unairu hammer

[crimson rampart]

wait

[coral crest]

Biblical ice hammer greed

[undone dust]

bro forgot furax

[coral crest]

Oh right Furax

I don't use melee incarnons much

Srry :(

[undone dust]

i have to eradicate you

[coral crest]

I thought you wanted to touch me up

[undone dust]

both

[coral crest]

I agree to that

[lean rivet]

Cue infested boy band music

[undone dust]

i forget that the heavy slam heat field from furax can trigger and benefit from influence

[crimson rampart]

lemme test @severe bough

[lean rivet]

I need Magus Accelerant and Melt but haven’t done exploiter in so long lol

But now operator viral heat amp can really shine with Klamora and Vazarin

[coral crest]

Vazarin?

Also, viral heat amps

[severe bough]

U dont need health

[coral crest]

How far we have come

[severe bough]

U got shield gate with his 2

[coral crest]

Their

Also 3 exists as an emergency savior

[old marsh]

I wish he sold Lato vandal too 😭

[coral crest]

I wish he sold founder packs

[lean rivet]

The weapon gives status vulnerability and damage aoe

as well as massive status chance with arcane

[coral crest]

Oh shit

[lean rivet]

it’s insane

[old marsh]

Ye

[coral crest]

Yeah, I was trying to choose between which one to run

[lean rivet]

full revives even in perma death missions too

[eternal goblet]

Anyome have a protea prime beginner build

[lean rivet]

avoids the token system

slow to recharge but super effective

[coral crest]

Fair enough

[lean rivet]

Also strips overguard in the aoe

[coral crest]

Meanwhile Zenurik beam deletes acolytes so easily you don't even see the red damage flash on their hp bar

[lean rivet]

Personally I want an option to disable revives for faster cooldown

[coral crest]

[lean rivet]

Are cooldowns different between classes

[coral crest]

No idea, but I'd imagine so

Completely different niches

Too expensive for me to know

[eternal goblet]

Excuse me do any of u guys have. Protea prime beginner build pls?

[lean rivet]

I had a resource booster so it only took a day and I had a good free one

[coral crest]

Free one?

[lean rivet]

Yeah they give you 75 of each

[coral crest]

Ah that

[lean rivet]

It’s only 5 missions each time to get the rest

[coral crest]

Right

[lean rivet]

Took me like 5 hours ish

Had all the mods and arcanes I needed after too

[astral tinsel]

So 3 hours not counting bosses and loading times

[coral crest]

[mighty flare]

if going blast, usually preferred to run tox blast because lizzie can use archon continuity for free corrosive (so extra galv aptitude proc) and can trigger primary blight
this would let you run elementalist instead of high voltage

[coral crest]

Might be less now

[spare geyser]

...how do you even put mods into amps

[astral tinsel]

You don't

[coral crest]

They made comandeered frames drop all 3 materials randomly when playing steel path

[crimson rampart]

im still lost lol

[spare geyser]

Then how do you get a viral-heat amp-

[astral tinsel]

They go in the tauron strikes

[lean rivet]

Is that this last patch

[spare geyser]

A h

[coral crest]

Viral heat is from arcanes

[spare geyser]

Makes sense

[coral crest]

And dmg buff from mods

[spare geyser]

(I say as I still use sirocco)

[coral crest]

You can do it with sirocco

[spare geyser]

I needa actually lock in and get a proper amp

[coral crest]

Fair enough

[spare geyser]

Instead of Sirocco

[lean rivet]

Sirocco is even better now i’d say with multishot

[coral crest]

Yeah, latest hotfix

[spare geyser]

-# you can give sirocco multishot?

[lean rivet]

My Klamora with Multishot inflicts ridiculous status

[coral crest]

With new mods

[lean rivet]

Once you make a weapon you can mod operator/amp with it

[crimson rampart]

so against legvel 150 sps its not doing really greatr

[astral tinsel]

Wow mine only inflicts void status

[lean rivet]

really fun i’ve been waiting for this for years.

[spare geyser]

Welp... time to buy a resource booster and pull up to Tau's moon

[coral crest]

Then you add arcanes from Little Duck

[lean rivet]

My already broken builds now solo circuit stuff even faster 😂

[coral crest]

And those add viral/heat

[lean rivet]

And the arcanes reduce enemy heat resistance

[severe bough]

Theres also a multiplicative mod as they new mods

I think it was smth with ms

[zealous abyss]

Does anyone have a gyre build?

[severe bough]

Anyways its really good now ee not only need to use madurai

[spare geyser]

You mod it through the Divine Smite move thingy right?

[coral crest]

Apparently comandeered frames before this hotfix were using normal non SP versions when playing SP.

SP version is now enabled and not only they're tougher, they also drop any of the 3 materials randomly regardless of which mission you're in

[lean rivet]

They’re still squishy

[coral crest]

It'll speed up the grind

[coral crest]

Not the point, you get what I mean

[lean rivet]

Does the boss ones drop stuff too

[coral crest]

Nah, I think boss rewards are the same

[lean rivet]

Maybe i’ll aim for two more weapons then sometime

[coral crest]

Only the commandeered frames were affected with loot changes, because they were using a wrong version in sp

[spice wharf]

so im trying out nidus again the status immunity does it only work if linked to enemy

[lean rivet]

I like the Madurai & Zenurik ones

[spice wharf]

not ally

[coral crest]

Yeah, if enemy dies you have a grace period to reconnect to another without losing the effect

It's like 3s

[lean rivet]

Unairu & Naramon don’t interest me as much since I only use them sometimes and the amp buffs let me do eidos with vazarin

[spice wharf]

so it doesnt work if linked to ally

[coral crest]

Since the main threat is magnetic, just link when facing Thrax if you're doing cascade

[spice wharf]

ah

i see

[coral crest]

The rest can be brushed off

Only Thrax can proc magnetic there, I think

[spice wharf]

ah gotcha

[coral crest]

But it's full immunity

You can always link as a panic move

[crimson rampart]

so this combo
and ill add sinister reach to the weapoin and maybe archon stretch to the warframe

[coral crest]

I don't think you might need range on Temple

Neutral range is already the effective range of lizzie for abilities

But it's probably comfier to hit more enemies

Also you can't add reach to lizzie with ability range

[crimson rampart]

ill get augur reach for more energy per second but im not sure if it will apply since im technically doing corrosice

[mossy juniper]

i have a question

Tenet Glaxion

[crimson rampart]

i could add more strength

not sure if that would increase damage

[coral crest]

It would

[crimson rampart]

ok

[mossy juniper]

so is it possible to add shivering contagion in place of scope and still do damage?

[mighty flare]

you can get it from sentinel pet
not good to slot it on lizzie herself

[crimson rampart]

He’s talking about a seperate thing

I believe

[mighty flare]

ah okay

[mossy juniper]

yes im trying to see if my build could use this in place of glavanized scope

[crimson rampart]

instead of umbral do i put ion precision intensify?

it gives me more damage on my 4th which is better

[vital eagle]

so i been looking for Uriel builds. Has anyone found any really good ones yet?

[mossy juniper]

im waiting as well

i know his build requires strength and base around fire

[coral crest]

Nah, general strength also affects crit vulnerability from 2

And that would arguably be a better dmg boost than just raw str for Lizzie

[vital eagle]

Yeah I been looking at that but he can be built in so many different ways and i dont really want to try one of the youtube builds XD

[crimson rampart]

TBH
It did better with precision intensify

IDK how but it just did

[mossy juniper]

agreed

[severe bough]

• Caster/general
  Focus on pos range much str a bit duration
• Platformer
  Focus on high str neutral/neg range, and duration
  Subsume his 4 it messes with heat calcs
  Use equilibrium shards or mod on both ( i useally use shards if the frame got any kind of ability to drop orbs )

[coral crest]

He gives more health orbs than energy orbs, and it's affected by str

So you totally want to run equilibrium or purple shards

[crimson rampart]

whats better?
Status chance or damage?

[severe bough]

Thats why i said use equilibrium shards or mod that just depends on pers pref

[coral crest]

Oh sorry I misread

[mossy juniper]

what is a platformer?

[severe bough]

I normally use shards on frames that got any kind of equi ability

[coral crest]

Focus on weapon buffing instead of ability dmg

[lean rivet]

I use shards on all my mainframes

[severe bough]

You buff the hell out of you weapons instead abilirys

Also what i noticed heat lash from his 3 does apply to incarnon mode magazine

[lean rivet]

I’m sure Eleanor & Marie love being stabbed with shards

[mossy juniper]

i need a platformer for my glaxion

[crimson rampart]

This combo is doing great!!

[mossy juniper]

frame?

[crimson rampart]

Temple

[lean rivet]

Yeah to this also, and Vazarin with Paris is ridiculous

The weapon status effects arcane gives 300% and linked damage counts towards hits

Paris with 400% status + 300% more status chance

[lean rivet]

I put on the new arcane for element split and I get Heat toxin gas & cold all in one shot

[mossy juniper]

any good platformer

[lean rivet]

What is a platformer and why is everyone asking for one

I don’t bother with slang I just make crazy builds

[mossy juniper]

this

[lean rivet]

Why is that called a platformer

[crimson rampart]

you make ur weapon a platform

instead of focusing on multiple things to work on

[lean rivet]

I just link everything together

[crimson rampart]

the weapon supports the shit out of your builds

[lean rivet]

Companion to Abilities all in one

My super dogs wipe out rooms

[crimson rampart]

then you have to pressmmultiple keys just to crowd control

buff a weapon and hold the trigger ans there is your crowd control 😂

[lean rivet]

Nyx with brightbonnet then I just use psychic bolt mind control and let my dogs rip through with Mecha

Crowd control? More like Crowd Mowing.

[crimson rampart]

thats what i do when im hunting shards or arcanes in that one mission

i forgot what its called

its Netracells i believe

[mossy juniper]

i was think oraxia with glaxion

[crimson rampart]

also a good combo

[lean rivet]

Have you tried the ultimate companion build yet

[crimson rampart]

what is it?

[mossy juniper]

no

[lean rivet]

Uriel, 3 demons, Robohound with Duplicate + divide, and dessicate with augment.

The army arises

[crimson rampart]

i dont have uriel yet

[lean rivet]

Then use the owls from Dante

It’s funny to watch a forest follow you

[crimson rampart]

lol

[lean rivet]

It doesn’t do anything to any ridiculous capacity but the animals shred everything lol

[crimson rampart]

This is my oraxia

sorry this is

[mossy juniper]

alright ill give a try

[crimson rampart]

dont trust me

Im shit when it comes to builds LMAO

[mossy juniper]

lol

we all start somewhere

[crimson rampart]

I just had it when i was playing a month 2 ago

I dont remember how good it is

[kind void]

So this new hybrid melee. How do gun arcanes affect the melee part

Or do they not at all

Cause one of the new gun arcanes give it more dmg based on armor

Which would be pretty nice to have on mleee

[somber sluice]

i think i broke my boltor

[normal vault]

What did you do

[somber sluice]

i swear i put 1 arcane on

nothing else changed

[kind void]

Anyone able to help me with this?

[golden plank]

enervate finally got competition?

[somber sluice]

so need to clarify this is a visual bug and it does not in fact do INF damage, still funny though at 25 multishot per shot XD

[golden plank]

cant believe you have infinite multishot, are you making mini blackholes every bullet 😭

[crimson rampart]

what are the arcane specs?

[golden plank]

descendia game mode can be cleared on one day lmao. I barely play and already maxed 2 arcanes

like who tf designed this? XD im not complaining

[crimson rampart]

Honestly its not bad

Descendia was quick and fun

[hasty dome]

is farming torid incarnon mod hard? is my first time using this gun

[crimson rampart]

nope

Just 2 simple challenges

[hasty dome]

whats that?

[crimson rampart]

??

do you mean the weapon or the incarnon stages?

[hasty dome]

the mods

[crimson rampart]

ohhh

[hasty dome]

weapon mods

[crimson rampart]

it has specific mods??

I have them from before but you should have them i believe

[golden plank]

most rifles in this game are built kinda the same

so you can just re-use mods you already been using

[crimson rampart]

This is my build

[sturdy ferry]

Is too much fire rate (26~) good on the ocucor? I've noticed reloading quite a bit

[covert badger]

does arcane concentration works well on uriel?

[astral tinsel]

If you have the augment, you don't want to reload, ever

So I wouldn't use more than Lethal Torrent

[slate hedge]

What's a good overall weapon for Oraxia? 🤔

[astral tinsel]

sigh acid shells kuva sobek

[slate hedge]

Time to farm liches, thanks Tenno 😭

[clever marsh]

does arcane irradiate radiation source need to be from the weapon or any source??

[autumn bane]

Anyone in here good with riven pricing?

[astral tinsel]

Any works

[hushed meadow]

what can i improve here? the volt should be a platform for xoris

[lean rivet]

How much strength does that Zenurik beam give

[alpine quail]

So we got some new arcanes. Whitch one would you recomand me for Strun?

[autumn citrus]

i need to get all the mastery for the amp prisms, is there anywhere that shows what the "best in slot" amp parts are for each prism?

[forest otter]

I've been confused about the Arcane Persistence - I've heard people talking about it like it's a complete gamechanger but I don't.. really get why. I'd presume there's a sort of cutoff point where 'traditional' tanking stops working and taking over 500 health per hit is common, but would that be in average Steel Path content or would it be in more 'endgame' content like the EDA or long SP survival?

[drowsy herald]

It has since been nerfed and is no longer a game changer

[quiet laurel]

its an arcane that makes inaros more level cap comfy

for steel path just continue DR tanking

imo the arcane is kinda bait

[drowsy herald]

How do you do dr tanking?

[quiet laurel]

by stacking DR?

[sinful berry]

it is still

[quiet laurel]

what

[sinful berry]

for goodness sake what’s with the excessive doomposting

[drowsy herald]

It's crazy to me that nullifiers can be so powerful and even counter the arquebex from the Void rig

[sinful berry]

All but 2 of the old viable frams are status immune or cleanseable

As for nullifiers everything is countered by them anyways so like ???

Shield gating doesn’t survive nullifiers

Persistence being able to was busted

[drowsy herald]

You can get effected by magnetic damage and nullifiers

[sinful berry]

yeah you’re overblowing it

[quiet laurel]

so same weakness as shield gating

nothingburger

[sinful berry]

Magnetic Damage is not an issue

[drowsy herald]

Health tanking was almost viable enough

[sinful berry]

it is on par with shield gating how is that not viable enough???

[drowsy herald]

Iam not talking about inaros

You guys act like everyone has min maxed builds

[sinful berry]

Oraxia, Nekros, Qorvex, Lavos, Atlas, Chroma, Grendel, Valkyr, Garuda all can health tank using persistence as nuclear stated stated before
Only Atlas and Chroma have no way to cleanse or immune themselves to magnetic

So that’s already 1 down

Nullifiers are equally punishing to shield gate as persistence now

that is fair

Everyone else has immunity or cleanse for the magnetic how is that an issue

[forest otter]

So can I at least kinda just ignore it if I'm not doing anything particularly difficult? I'm more just trying to build Chroma (for general use) so the nitty-gritty details of its use in endgame stuff is beyond me for now

[sinful berry]

if you run anything with secondary fortifier you get overguard
that negates mag procs too so

[quiet laurel]

for chroma I'd still recommend the arcane tbh cause of the removal of shields

[lavish orbit]

Shieldgating is there only to let you not getting one shot, that's not healthtanking, it's entirely a way to get survivability

[quiet laurel]

shield gating is survivability too tho

[lavish orbit]

That's what i say

Shieldgating is not healthtanking

[forest otter]

yea I was kinda curious about that, fun with Fury

[sinful berry]

Yeah but both are equally viable rn

[carmine dew]

the arcane was always kinda bait but for as much as wf players clown on yters, theyre just as bad when it comes to looking at a new thing and being like THIS THING IS SO BROKEN

[quiet laurel]

ye but its comparable on the modding efficiency and results part

[sinful berry]

Shieldgate spam is 2-3 mods

[quiet laurel]

1

[lavish orbit]

2

[quiet laurel]

active gating needs 1 mod on your frame

[sinful berry]

Healthtanking is 1 arcane + 1 mod to get the armour if necessary otherwise no mod needed

[carmine dew]

i mean considering only two frames have more than 700 armor base

[lavish orbit]

Brief respite + catalyzing basically or aegis + shield recharge

[quiet laurel]

and depending on warframe kit a way to regen health fast enough, which usually gloom does

gloom meta is so back (pls no)

[carmine dew]

nikana zaws 💯

[quiet laurel]

just need catalyzing shields on your frame fr

[lavish orbit]

Nothing more ?

[quiet laurel]

augur set on secondary

[lavish orbit]

Ye 2 mods so

[quiet laurel]

1 augur mod will suffice

[sinful berry]

still i feel like the doomposting about the nerf is overblown and people need to stop viewing things at pure level cap “oneshot or nothing” levels and expect to afk that
it takes similar-ish slots for survivability and both are countered by nullifiers which is fair

[quiet laurel]

well its about what you have to put on your frame, thats what the whole health tanking vs shield gating thing is kinda about
health tanking requires all the mods and maybe even subsumes while shield gating is just 1 mod on your frame and an outsourced augur mod somewhere in your loadout

[lavish orbit]

Fair

[carmine dew]

the arcane is countered by magnetic damage as well though and thats more significant

because a lot of stuff just spams magnetic damage, esp bosses

you also have to worry about heat and corro procs

[lavish orbit]

Now there is rollgating with that one arcane that steal defense lmao

[sinful berry]

Yeah and again
80% of the viable frames are status immune or cleanses

Lavos passive makes him status immune

[carmine dew]

only when he picks up orbs

like youre saying these things are equivalent when its kinda not like that really

[sinful berry]

“only when he picks up orbs”
When is he not picking up orbs

[carmine dew]

like when youre fighting a boss they dont drop orbs all that much

it also has a cd

[quiet laurel]

I also played inaros with the new arcane yesterday, and I legit thought to myself how people can play health tanking without falling asleep

but thats a whole other topic

[lavish orbit]

It's like taking mesa for a boss, exalted don't work, useless to pick such frame those times if you don't have someting to counterpart

[carmine dew]

yeah i saw some people on the casc server tech some stuff about how inaros is basically invulnerable with it

bc of hunter adrenaline or whatever

[coral crest]

I find it funny how people are suddenly discovering how strong health tanking is for the rest of the game outside of cascade due to severe "is it viable in level cap" poison

And now thanks to that completely inconsequential nerf to the arcane everyone will stop trying again

[carmine dew]

and like half these frames

Oraxia, Nekros, Qorvex, Lavos, Atlas, Chroma, Grendel, Valkyr, Garuda
can shieldgate anyway

probably all but icl these are not popular frames aside from like oraxia lol

[quiet laurel]

well thats like on inaros, tried gloom citrine and it was so ass to play ngl

[coral crest]

Citrine ironically is probably the worst for it

Considering that she's all DR and regen

But her actual stats are rather ass

[quiet laurel]

with the new arcane all that matters is health pool and health regen

[coral crest]

Also she doesn't have any innate status cleanse

[quiet laurel]

so you can subsume her DR off

but yeah will probs just continue shield gating with her

[drowsy herald]

Everyone is not min maxing and not using inaros

[quiet laurel]

ok?

[coral crest]

Citrine is definitely not the best user

[sinful berry]

everyone is also not playing level cap where that matters so

[coral crest]

But pretty much everyone else who can use it

Have some form of status immunity or cleanse, and proactive healing

[sinful berry]

Like

[coral crest]

And stats that are beefy enough

[drowsy herald]

For lavos you need the orbs which don't drop that much when you actually need them

[coral crest]

This arcane is literally a waste of a slot on anything that isn't level cap

I'm not gonna lie

[carmine dew]

yeah if youre playing base sp you can just use regular dr stuff

[coral crest]

Everywhere else normal health tanking just doesn't hit the threshold where the cap triggers

[carmine dew]

persistence is separate from health tanking really

[drowsy herald]

This arcane opened up more mod variety apart from shield gating

[quiet laurel]

and for cap you are just better off continuing shield gating

[coral crest]

Well for most

[quiet laurel]

legit inaros specific arcane

[coral crest]

Not just Inaros

[carmine dew]

pharaohs curse arcane

[coral crest]

But it is niche enough

There are plenty of frames who can do good with it, and they cover the only weakness they gave to it

[drowsy herald]

There is no variety if you are shield gating so much

[coral crest]

Idk some frames do it very differently

[carmine dew]

shield gating is just what you do lol

[drowsy herald]

Hell no. I hate shield gating

[carmine dew]

like its like saying "theres no variety when youre bullet jumping so much"

like its a core mechanic for anyone who plays more than level 150

[drowsy herald]

Shield gating is like bullet jumping? Are you serious

[drowsy herald]

Then it just shows there is no variety

[quiet laurel]

there also is no variety if you are health tanking so much

[coral crest]

I wouldn't say it's like bullet jumping, but for any environment that doesn't break your shield instantly (aka 99% of the game) you are never doing it

[carmine dew]

and yeah active shield gating is at least active, lol

shield gating is basically just a parry mechanic tbh

[coral crest]

Shield gating is just sustain off using your abilities

Which is something you're already gonna be doing

[drowsy herald]

Lol. Okay man. Everyone does shield gating and for like a day health tanking was good enough and you guys are mad

[quiet laurel]

I am mad?

[coral crest]

"for like a day health tanking was good"

[quiet laurel]

thanks for letting me know fr

[coral crest]

Frames that found good use of it are almost all able to ignore status

This nerf is inconsequential to anyone outside of like 2 frames

[carmine dew]

yeah and as previously mentioned most of those games can shieldgate anyway

[coral crest]

That's beside the point

[carmine dew]

p much the only real winner of this arcane is inaros

[quiet laurel]

I might be lost in the sauce though
inaros can health tank at cap now, everything else will still shield gate at cap and for SP literally do what you want
not that deep

[drowsy herald]

This game is ruined by meta things

[coral crest]

Not the game

Discussions are, tbh, but this discussion is rather fine

Inaros isn't the only one by far, but the "nerf" is extremely inconsequential

Drascho just ended up choosing the worst health tank to test

[elder rock]

Any build for the torid incarnon?

[drowsy herald]

Dude I don't play inaros. And this arcane was for the niche people who still health tanked . Everyone else is shield gating. So by nerfing this the game just wants everyone to do the meta thing

[quiet laurel]

other can make use of the arcane but its more modding efficient and also consistent to just shield gate I feel like

[coral crest]

I think it's more about kit cohesion than anything

[drowsy herald]

I hope they nerf shield gating

[quiet laurel]

if you dont level cap the arcane is legit a nothingburger

[coral crest]

Exactly

[quiet laurel]

if you get hit at 500+ dmg on SP when health tanking what are you doing

[haughty storm]

why is Hunter Munitions such a good mod apparently? and also primed cryo rounds for Viral instead of Rime Rounds?

[coral crest]

Outside the cap this arcane literally does nothing. Enemies don't do enough dps to trigger the threshold and you end up facetanking all the damage

[drowsy herald]

You all have min maxed builds

[quiet laurel]

hunter munitions has seen its prime like 2 years ago

[coral crest]

Me? I main caster Lavos, there's nothing minmaxed about this

[lavish orbit]

Slash damage does bleed, but it's less effective today than heat damages, primed cryo over rime rounds is because more damage

[coral crest]

Nidus, at least

At least remember Nidus :(

[drowsy herald]

Do you shield gate? If not show me your build

[haughty storm]

if I want to do a full status build, wouldn't rime rounds be better for the additional status chance? I just don't understand some things about modding and I appreciate the help ^^

[coral crest]

Oh okay you treat it like that

Lavos literally can't shield gate actively

I'll continue talking to people who know what they're talking about

But yeah Lavos is arguably another great user, solely because it's his only non subsume way to survive consistently

And subsuming his abilities is very painful

He is either passive gating, leeching overguard or all at once

With tons of gambling debt piling up until you explode

[lavish orbit]

Depending on what you want to deal has status damages, if you want to prime viral more than anything else, putting primed cryo will give you more viral damage and therefore more chance to put viral status depending of your base status chance (you can see the % when you put your mouse on status chance in your weapon modding window)

[coral crest]

At the very least with this arcane you can have a reliable and consistent way to survive that isn't reliant on tools outside of your control

And his stats are taken advantage of

[haughty storm]

ohhhh

[coral crest]

Anyways back to something actually important

[empty owl]

what should i use in those two mod slots for protea prime ?

[lavish orbit]

Leave augur message, it will mess up your shieldgate with Protea, put equilibrium

[drowsy herald]

Iam sorry, can you educate me on your ways? Because iam trying to make my lavos health tank and be a caster? I use the cedo with it. And it's pretty good at dealing damage but whenever there are too many enemies I can be swiss cheese . I have the augment which deals status damage

The builds iam finding take use of shield gating which I don't really wanna do

[coral crest]

Oh, sure, if you need random blurbs of Lavos info I can help

You can dm me even or something like that

But not rn

I'm going through what can only be described as an outstretched panic attack and my head might pop like a balloon

So I'll take my rest for now

[drowsy herald]

Sorry mate

[coral crest]

You wouldn't know so everything's nice

[lavish orbit]

After that, last two are depending of your playstyle, just dodge what that get your shield back

[haughty storm]

how does shieldgate work? 😅

[empty owl]

also what arcanes should i use ?

[hushed meadow]

what archon shards should i use on weapon platform volt?

[hexed sun]

what weapons should I use with uriel?

here's my uriel build rn

[charred gale]

strength

[fallow cedar]

anyone got a missile Uriel build? 😭

[astral tinsel]

Cast speed if using Capacitance for survivability

[hushed meadow]

im not using capacitance

[severe bough]

If nuke use arcane concentration over hotshot use rolling guard over Adaption use growing power or corrosive projection

And pers pref is using equi shards so u can save up on mod slot

[young ridge]

how do I get arcane steadfast and molt augmented? tryna get those for my build

[thorny loom]

Zaramin, I believe

[young ridge]

where is Zaramin lowky

[severe bough]

Depend on what u use your are immortal when shield breaks but there are different shield gate ways

[severe bough]

Its a ship

U unlock it with its quest

[thorny loom]

Have you done the Angels of the Zaramin quest?

[young ridge]

if its one of the main quest then yes cause I've done all the main quests

[thorny loom]

So yeah, there. Talk to Cavalero

[lean lark]

Does Summoner’s Wrath affect Styanax’ spear clone augment? And does Steel Charge work with him? I’m trying to figure him out

Because if I can run summoners wrath and camisado it’s a done deal

if not I’m hoping Steel Charge works

[lavish orbit]

Protea has her satellite to get shield, when shield is depleted, you get a certain time invulnerable, the more you have shield, the more you get shieldgate time... When you use brief respite or an augur mod, you reset your shieldgate by getting shield with an ability, and therefore it breaks your shieldgate, making you a lot vulnerable

[lavish orbit]

With the new arcanes and since she's versatile, it's your choice, I tend to use molt arcanes from Zariman, the one that add 36% duration with shield and augmented

[lavish orbit]

The list of supported summons are in the wiki, but I don't think it's a summon anyway

[lean lark]

weird

ty tho!

[lavish orbit]

Np, and steel charge wouldnt work since its not a weapon, sorry to tell

[lean lark]

oof

I know sometimes certain abilities count as weapons despite not being weapons or psuedo exalteds so I wasn’t sure

That helps a lot with planning tho! Ty!

[lavish orbit]

Then its arcane arachne that works 😊 like with garuda blood ball thrown

[lean lark]

Yeah! I have that on a Flachette Vauban build, and Hot Shot on a different one too

I’m so glad that interaction exists

it’s the only reason some frames are usable

[haughty storm]

ohhh

[lavish orbit]

Most of the times roar/priming (viral basically) does the job and helps a lot to deal damages

[hollow mantle]

Does anyone have a Redeemer prime build that can hit above 1mil? I cannot for the life of me get this thing to do it.

[haughty storm]

viral+heat seems like an incredible way to deal dmg across, like every enemy type 😭

[random prawn]

Is this kuva kohm good?

or mid

[lavish orbit]

Viral can get you to 325% damage on health and heat does dot damage with armor reduction, perfect combinaison lol

[hollow mantle]

You can get another one and combine the Valence

Cap is 60% iirc.

[random prawn]

But is it worth killing another baddie?

[hollow mantle]

It takes like

No time.

[gritty roost]

does this work with slam?

[random prawn]

The baddest baddie in all of warframe.

k

[haughty pagoda]

On heavy slams only, regular slams it won't work for

[gritty roost]

alright nice

[hollow mantle]

Every update it feels like everything is getting like

Quietly nerfed.

Istg like two or three updates ago I had a solid 10 different melee weapons I could bring into Lvl Cap missions and they'd still sweep.

Now none of them perform well at all and I'm trying everything I can to get any of them to put any reliable numbers up, wtf is going on.

[woeful panther]

did they patch out the loot room farm for descendia?

[haughty storm]

like exactly! I always go for that

[timber pagoda]

For normal steel path up to eda/eta is arcane persistence really that useful on inaros? I feel like with this build there isnt a single enemy that has dealt over 500 dmg

[versed harbor]

for that content its not rly useful no

[stray rose]

guys does precision intensify work better for aegis gale compared to umbral intensify?

[pure reef]

Phage is seriously nuts with Debilitate

[versed harbor]

nah

[glossy nebula]

mm is this riven usable ?

[lavish orbit]

Usable, not good enough to slot tho

[hexed sun]

what weapons would be good for uriel? heat weapons?

[severe bough]

I like to play with furis

[terse storm]

0/10?

[severe bough]

U want pos duration switch out cunning drift for pcont or normal cont (if u dont got primed yet)
Strech over augur reach

What are your arcanes?

[frozen tartan]

Hello ! I need your help cause im kinda lost, i start the game few weeks ago and i wanted to do a build in whisp so i follow this : https://overframe.gg/build/511102/wisp-prime/ravenous-wraith-nourish-wisp-sp-general-use-and-endurance-levelcap/
I'm almost finished with my build, I just don't have the Archon Fragments or the Arcanes. A problem has arisen: I've unlocked the Steel path, but I feel like I'm not being very effective (I'm at 51% attack speed buff). For weapons, I'm using Nataruk, which I built myself; the rest isn't. When I use my third ability, I usually hit for 30k, but sometimes I only manage 2M, and I don't understand why. Do you have any advice on what I could focus on, please?

[lavish orbit]

2M isn't better than 30k ?

[frozen tartan]

Yes, but I only do it once every 10 minutes; otherwise, it's mostly just 30k

My 4 (i dont put nourrish) does just 9k when i hit so idk

[haughty storm]

is power drift good for ember?

[lavish orbit]

Wisp 4th isn't reliable if you don't build around it

[lavish orbit]

Use your third then aim the head with your nataruk

[lavish orbit]

Somehow, depend of the build like always

[frozen tartan]

So when i put the 3 i need to be focus in the head ?

[lavish orbit]

It's better, don't remember the math tho

[frozen tartan]

And whats good weapon for wisp ? Im kinda bored about Nataruk xD

[lavish orbit]

I personaly love the combinaison of Wisp and acceltra, iirc theres an interaction between the sparks and acceltra explosion

[frozen tartan]

Yeah i saw some person with Acceltra and i was surprised that the dmg she does

Sadly i cant craft it rn cause im lvl 10 xD

[lavish orbit]

Aaah ye I see, there's also the glaives weapons, she stays invisible in air while throwing them

[potent bramble]

im thinking of an build for uriel

[grizzled badger]

Dual Toxocyst, should I just ignore the cold status or try and build it in?

[mossy juniper]

anyone have a build for "ORAXIA" based around her 4 Ability?

[faint knoll]

How is this looking like?
Arcane concentration seems really nice - was able to extend duration from 19 to 25 seconds.
Have more augur mods on my companion's pistol for survival.

This is Uriel

[charred gale]

Cold can make viral so unless ur looking for another element its pretty good

[scarlet slate]

My riven is similar in that it does toxin so I added cold to make viral out of it

You could absolutely do the same by adding a toxin mod with the cold

[grizzled badger]

Mag cap doesn't effect incarnon time, right?

[scarlet slate]

Scroll down to see incarnon form "max charges" in the build area

[grizzled badger]

Cool, thanks

[scarlet slate]

It shouldn't matter much anyway

So long as you hit headshots

[grizzled badger]

Just need to level up merciless gunfight and this is the build.

Guess I could remove pestilence, huh?

[scarlet slate]

Yeah you certainly can, it will combine with frost to do viral

[grizzled badger]

So if I put two different status mods on, will they each combine with the tox, or will the tox add after the combo?

[scarlet slate]

Tox after

It'll be like a new mod applied

[grizzled badger]

So I can't end up with corrosive without 3 mods on there >.>

[charred gale]

Crosshairs💔

[charred gale]

Would add heat imo

[grizzled badger]

I know the pain, I have quite a few mods not fully leveled dispite playing for a long time >.>

[scarlet slate]

Corrosive is electric + toxin so you'd have to have only electricity on your gun to do corrosive

[charred gale]

Unless u got external armor strip

[grizzled badger]

So you're saying cold, heat instead of cold, toxin?

[charred gale]

No u need to keep toxin

Lowkey id get rid of crosshairs for that u alr have so much crit chance and its so annoying to use

[scarlet slate]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-16962943832134133311

[blissful badge]

@latent adder are you working on a build for Uriel? Just curious because i really enjoy your builds

[charred gale]

I hate having to ads

[scarlet slate]

I enjoy doing it midair (wisp main)

[grizzled badger]

So what element are you saying to run lol.

[charred gale]

Viral heat

[scarlet slate]

I'd make viral/heat personally

[latent adder]

yep

just trying to decide how i feel about 4 lol

[grizzled badger]

Lethal Torrent, or Merciless Gunfight?

[sand stratus]

is blast good on the phantasma? have a riven with FR and toxin but just got a roll with MS, cold and heat and idk which one to keep

[scarlet slate]

I'm looking through one of my older builds and updating it. I feel like Hunter munitions is not needed here. Any suitable replacements?

Thats the riven stats if that helps

[mossy juniper]

anyone have oraxia summoning build

[proud anchor]

Slash isn't as good as it once was since enemies have a lot more health and less armor these days. I would look into getting rifle elementalist and modding for either electric or heat

[gritty roost]

ok yea inaros slam is quite broken damn

[kindred lion]

i got a question, parkour velocity affects the turning speed and accuracy of uriel's flight, but is there a way to increase the travel speed?

[scarlet slate]

I don't think elementalist fits into my build. I'm running viral so the status damage doesn't do me any good and it already has infinite punch through

Does spectral serration work with Wisps flight?

[white lodge]

Anyone got a good build for the lex prime?

[lavish orbit]

Doesn't it affect the travel speed ??

[lavish orbit]

Yes, but you need to cast 2nd to stay invisible

Cuse if you shoot midair you'll lose invisibility

[kindred lion]

honestly i only tested with one shard, i'll try and add more parkour velocity and see

[scarlet slate]

I've slotted 2 in and it does affect travel speed

[kindred lion]

scratch that, it does and its soooo goddamn satisfying lmao

this frame is so peak :')

[pine oxide]

What would be a great subsume for Uriel ? I know his kit is already very good but I feel like his 1 can easily be replaced with something else, especially since we keep the skill tied to the demon anyway. I thought about Nourish, obviously. What else ? Armor strip ? More reliable energy sustain ? Levelcap survivability ?

[kindred lion]

honestly i don't think he needs energy sustain if you use one equilibrium shard, armor strip from heat nowadays is more than enough, and well survivability his armor is pretty low if you would want to run persistence you might want to look into armor increase abilities, otherwise i think he can shield gate easily with catalyzing shields

personally i think his first ability is very fun, mainly the dodge flight

but to each their own of course

[severe bough]

Use pure elc/heat and get external viral

[spiral chasm]

Doesnt his 2 fully recharge shields?

[severe bough]

When u use nuke uriel there isnt really a subsume if u play platform uriel subsume 4 over smth

[kindred lion]

i think 50% or so

[severe bough]

Its enough to gate

[spiral chasm]

Yeah but with enough str u can get 100%

[kind void]

I just realized the persistence nerf doesn’t even work on nidus since with his link he is immune to status effects

[kindred lion]

oh actually nevermind, it can get above 100% with strength

[rich glacier]

200% for full heal

[kindred lion]

yeah then catalyzing is actually irrelevant

damn then what does he not have? lmao

[spiral chasm]

I think it was to prevent every frame from using it as a viable option

[kindred lion]

he's pretty complete

[severe bough]

The did nerf it ?🥀

[spiral chasm]

Nidus and inaros should both be fine with persistence

[severe bough]

Chroma grendel and lavos auswell

[spiral chasm]

They made it so mag en nulli can stop the arcane from working

[kind void]

They made it so that anything that disables abilities also shut it down

[pine oxide]

I can completely get rid of Equilibrium with the shard variant ?

[kind void]

So it can’t be used in a lot of boss fights at endgame

[severe bough]

Imo

[kindred lion]

yeah his hugger filla drops a whole bunch of orbs

i found that one shard is more than plenty

[spiral chasm]

I mean you can run arcane nullifier no?

[scarlet slate]

The riven I have puts toxin on it

[spiral chasm]

Or rolling guard

They just made it so u cant completely afk which is fine

[severe bough]

Roll with gamble queen

[kindred lion]

some people complain that rolling guard is inefficient cause they can proc it again the moment it runs out but arcane nullifier is definitely more than enough to deal with that

[kind void]

Ok but what about the boss fights that just disable it with no counter? What about violence acolyte

[scarlet slate]

I'm pretty sure this is as good as it gets for me

[unkempt birch]

I can find a good torid build can someone experienced help me? :c

[kind void]

They made it so that arcane persistence is useless in almost all the content that it would be useful in

You can’t use it in steel path content since violence will just 1 shot you. You can’t use it in any of the big boss fights since they just shut off your abilities and now this arcane and you get 1 shot.

[mossy juniper]

• Uriel does added fire to youre weapons and constaly has minions out,
• Oraxia does acid to youre wepons with 4 and has scuttle minions to help damage,

who is the best choice? i like em both but cant find a great build for either

[kind void]

In short this arcane is only useful in missions where it can’t be used

[scarlet slate]

I read somewhere that it already gets countered by corrosive/heat procs before the nerf

[kind void]

Yup

[rich glacier]

Do not use radiation aoe arcane. It is broken(doesn't work). It only works with smite infusion from my experience

[severe bough]

Ye u needed to get over 1400 armor so if u get heat proced u still have enough

GGs arcane persistance

It already was niche🥀

[rich glacier]

Doesn't magnetic resistance arcane cancel the negation? I know extra arcane slot but tanks don't have offensive arcanes anyway.

[scarlet slate]

They said the nerf was to combat afk tactics, but couldn't they just make it deactivate after standing still for too long?

[white lodge]

Left or right btw?

[spiral chasm]

Thats just false since inaros and nidus were more then fine for base SP

[rich glacier]

I say left

[spiral chasm]

Not sure if lex wants cold

Cuz that gun just 1 shots

[white lodge]

that's the only issue, I want flare on it but stat wise left is better, right?

[severe bough]

So did they actually nerfed it?

[white lodge]

Yes.

[rich glacier]

Damage can be achieved from a lot of sources. Multishot is 1 extra bullet. I don't think the extra bullet will be better than crit dmg and crit chance.

[severe bough]

Wait were hotfix patches standing

Need to read that

Rip 10 forma

[scarlet slate]

Yeah the new magnetic/nullyfing stuff was added this last hotfix

[severe bough]

Back to grendel and chroma gating

[scarlet slate]

I personally will still use it on Wisp, I find it unique and fun on her

[white lodge]

Lol getting there, I suppose I might just get this tho for now as it doesn't interfere with my heat

[severe bough]

Probably lavos aswell🥀

[rich glacier]

Well the nerf is only against corpus pretty much

[twin sail]

@hearty scarab so since I'm not using archon vitality, nothing is stopping me from doing what I keep doing with health tanks
this also means I'll have well over 300 strength for breach surge and my sandstorm

ya know, the typical absolutely criminal behaviour I pull on... a lot of frames actually-

time to forma grind ig lol

gonna check teshin and see if it's forma week :D

[scarlet slate]

I believe it is

Brought it from him yesterday

[twin sail]

OH MY GOD UMBRAL WEEK

BEST TIME FOR SEMESTER TO END LOL

I just picked it up :D

joyous day

[jade gate]

is Amalgam serration better than serration for torid incarnon?

[scarlet slate]

@severe bough I have a question for you since you are very knowledgable

[kind void]

I’m talking about endgame steel path where this arcane actually got use. So over level 500 or so

They made it so that this arcanes main use area no longer exists.

[scarlet slate]

On this Wisp build I have 4 blue archon shards to make the arcanes work with the build. Would it be worth replacing Adaptation with umbral armour to free up those blue archon shards in place of something else?

[severe bough]

Oh ty but sure ask

[spiral chasm]

You can comfortably kill any accolyte by the time your RG ends

Arcane makes you think abt decision and we feel like its useless

[scarlet slate]

@severe bough that be the question

[kind void]

So now you have a bandaid for the bandaid. What about the boss fights? The ones that just turn all your abilities off constantly

Can’t do those either

[spiral chasm]

Who does that a lot?

60 eyes?

[scarlet slate]

The apex tank as well I believe

[kind void]

And oraxia

[spiral chasm]

Even with a shield gate when ur abilities turn off u cant shield gate anyways

So many people die with no enegy and turned off abilities

[kind void]

But you can still tank a hit and survive long enough to get some shields back. You won’t get 1 shot

This arcane was meant to stop health frames from getting 1 shot by everything

[spiral chasm]

Damn arcane doesnt let me sleep and afk during my runs

Just run rev for that

[coral crest]

counterquestion

[hearty scarab]

Looks solid

[spiral chasm]

Crying to a 1/100000 scenario is crazy

[hearty scarab]

But uh

Where’s persistence

[kind void]

I mean the arcane is just useless. The few areas that it actually does anything have been removed

[coral crest]

are you sure healthtanks are getting oneshot by superbosses

even without the arcane

[severe bough]

Yes u dont need dr in endurance

[hearty scarab]

Yo did I tell you the tech?

I forgot if I did

[spiral chasm]

@hearty scarab does the tank 1 shot you?

[twin sail]

:D

[severe bough]

Did u hear bro persistance got like half nerfed💀

[hearty scarab]

Ik

DMs I’ll tell u tech gatekeep it

[severe bough]

Back to lavos gating imo

[white lodge]

I mean just get armor above 1600?

[coral crest]

bruh

[twin sail]

thank you for helping me @hearty scarab through all this btw, and thank you for pointing out the archon vitality

[severe bough]

[coral crest]

99% of frames that use it have status cleanse or immunity

[kind void]

With how much backlash they getting it’s going to be reverted

[coral crest]

yall are delusional

[hearty scarab]

Nah I doubt

[kind void]

No frame has immunity to ability negation

[gray quarry]

Just can’t stand still and afk

[scarlet slate]

Okay thank you!

[kind void]

So in endurance steel path violence will just instakill you.

[gray quarry]

Delusional people? Nah that’s just friday

[coral crest]

fine, sorry

[spiral chasm]

I one shot violence before he even breathes

[coral crest]

i am a bit harsh with words

[spiral chasm]

Bro cant even spawn right and dies

[gray quarry]

I was jokin

[compact hill]

guys this build should be fine or should i change something?

[hollow coyote]

The new secondary arcane is busted

[kind void]

So you are 1 shorting level 9999 acolytes?

[hearty scarab]

Shorting

[gray quarry]

Doesn’t violence just like die in not long?

[gray quarry]

Acolytes don’t scale with level of current enemies

[spiral chasm]

Level 9999 accos take a really long time to get to

[coral crest]

stray lancer bullet and you are dead

[spiral chasm]

They dont scale like the level enemies do

[compact hill]

would like some feedback on it

[spiral chasm]

Thats like 8h runs for that or smth idk

[coral crest]

yeah, violence IS a pretty big issue

[kind void]

Well it’s extreme endurance where arcane persistence would even be useable anyways

[spiral chasm]

Im not wearing a diaper and doing that long runs

[coral crest]

the rest is negligible imo

[spiral chasm]

So you are taking the 0.0000000000000000000000001% scenario and crying more than a newborn

[gray quarry]

Some frames can make use of just the shield removal part(valkyr, grendel I’d imagine)

[coral crest]

i do hope theyll revert it because people just wont shut up

[spiral chasm]

Crazy work. Keep crying to Pablo

[kind void]

I’ll bet it’s going to get reverted

[gray quarry]

Idek what the fuss is about

[spiral chasm]

Nah they should keep it

[kind void]

Everyone who actually health tanks agrees it’s basically useless. It’s better to use something else now

[coral crest]

would doesnt mean should even if we look at it from your standpoint

[hearty scarab]

Bro

[kindred lion]

oh its an inaros main

[coral crest]

lets see how it goes ig

[hearty scarab]

Arcane persistence is fine you can still afk cap 💤

[kindred lion]

give us your input on this

[kindred lion]

alright you guys heard it here first, case closed

[coral crest]

yeah, you can still use it just fine

the only real nerf is nullified abilities

[hearty scarab]

Barely

[coral crest]

yeah

[spiral chasm]

Just ivara arrow ur senti

Barry Allen

[coral crest]

thats not the point

[hearty scarab]

You can bypass most of the nerf

[spiral chasm]

The fastes man alive

[gray quarry]

Magnetic and nullifier

[hearty scarab]

Tech is real btw

[gray quarry]

Both of which can be negated or avoided entirely

[coral crest]

magnetic does not matter on most frames that can use it well. They are health tanks and 99% of health tanks have status cleanse innately

and im talking about violence

violence 100% just shuts it down now

[gray quarry]

He dies first

[coral crest]

if

[kindred lion]

anyone has forma'd the exilus for the vinquibus? does it carry over to the melee form as well?

[gray quarry]

I mean he gets targeted first so he can stop being a piece if garbage

[spiral chasm]

Give violence 3 big booms and hes gone

[coral crest]

dont get me wrong, i am still wholly optimistic about this arcane. But Violence is legit a hard counter

does the effect go away the moment it dies?

if it lingers then a stray bullet will kill you

[gray quarry]

Have you seen how fast he dies? Paper thin

[coral crest]

if it doesnt, then i believe in your fighting spirit

[gray quarry]

I can go check

[coral crest]

yeah, that would be nice of you

oops, wrong msg

you get what i mean

do test, what violence would do to it

maybe it wont even do anything since its technically just silence

[spiral chasm]

Doesnt silence remove violences ability?

[gray quarry]

All abilities

[coral crest]

yeah but solving it with a subsume is against the spirit of this arcane

which is to give healthank frames a way to survive at cap without bastardizing their kit

[spiral chasm]

Well it does do that

And silence makes u get the afk experience instead

[coral crest]

yeah

silence does it for everyone, its like saying that you should just subsume omamori

[versed harbor]

an entire subsume for one enemy sadge

[jade gate]

why do people prefer amalgam serration over serration on torid?

[sleek shale]

So question would chroma work decently well with that?
I was thinking of arcane reaper with it and using the hirudo for the heal on crits.

Now I am not too experienced with all the games’ systems so a few questions:

First would using the fire version (bonus health) of the 2 be better for the higher health pool be better than the ice version (bonus armor) since the 3 gets you the armor anyway?

And second what would you subsume on him? (I assume that you’d replace the 4 since - armor = death (?)

As for archon shards I don’t know since I am not used to using them yet.

Oh and probably the melee focus school too? (Is it naramon?)

[hearty scarab]

Yes it works

As for builds idk

I don’t play chroma

[sleek shale]

Well I only got him recently … hence why I asked

[hearty scarab]

Yes to heat ward

Yes subsume 4 or 1

Doesn’t matter which

Shards you can kinda run whatever you feel

[undone dust]

heat ward and cold ward both work phenomenally, cold ward does have the added benefit of inheriting things such as fortifier, melee passives (i.e venato prime's tau status) on the damage redirection, and being able to widespread cold from influence
heat ward is nice for a bellicose heavy strength setup but you dont really see that too often unless you're in arbitrations, but since vex does give high amounts of armor it would be preferred to run heat over cold unless you're going the triumbral route

[kind void]

Not worth using. For chroma you are better off getting more power strength

[undone dust]

effigy is the preferred subsume slot so you can switch wards on the fly if need be
shards are usually strength as vex armor's augment refreshes duration on kills and ward isnt that annoying to recast every so often

[undone dust]

health tank chroma with persistence isnt necessarily "not worth using", but with how cold ward works right now it definitely is a second option as overguard gating with cold just feels better

[sleek shale]

Thx for the help ! Also I didn’t know you could use overguard gate on him. I assume that you do that with a subsume ability or I must not know something.
I clearly need to do more research cause idk what bellicose is and fortifier is either

[proud anchor]

How's secondary irradiate with laetum?

[undone dust]

cold ward inherits secondary fortifier's overguard steal, so when eximus damage you and that damage gets redirected back, you gain overguard

[potent bramble]

gimme yall best uriel builds

[sleek shale]

Oh you’re talking about the secondary arcane ! Thx I definitely didn’t think of that.
But you’re saying that the 2 procs by itself ? I always thought that weapon was the one that needed to do the damage for it to work

[jade gate]

IS arcane debilitate good for ocucor?

all these arcanes sounds so good wtf?!

[kind void]

It’s more like with chroma have shields it’s better to focus on shield gate to block 1 shots. Either the nerfs to persistence there are to many things that can ignore it

[gray quarry]

Immediate

[kind void]

They are. But already the nerfs on coming down the line

[pine oxide]

Can I have ammo mutation on both primary and secondary or will that cause any issues at all ?

[gray quarry]

You can, don’t know if it’d cause issues

[kind void]

If they really want to make the nerf to arcane persistence fair then nullies and magnetic also disable shield gating.

[novel agate]

Is this a good caliban prime build?

What can i do to improve?

[hard dove]

Don't need redirectiomn, swap with range like overextend

[gray quarry]

Only thing I’m questioning is redirection, other than that should be fine

[mossy juniper]

would "Archon Vit" be a good mod to put on uriel?

[gray quarry]

I’ve seen more people buying it, I can’t confirm if it’s better or not

[dusty summit]

what do y'all think about the new arcanes? I just maxed out the two new primary ones. I'm trying out debilitate on my torid

[mossy juniper]

what are the new arcanes

[dusty summit]

Primary Debilitate and Primary Bulwark

[median heron]

Only on super status wep maybe

Torid likely kills things before the arcane can do anything

[mossy juniper]

So have this for Uriel

• Replace Power Drift with Equalibrium?
• Replace Summoners wraith for Growing power?
• Replace Flow with Primed Flow?
• Replace Redirction with Vigor?
• Replace Vitality with Archon Vitality?
• Firewalker on Exulis slot?
• Augur Secrets in missing mod slot for additional 24% ability strength?

Uriel does fire so would archon vitality make it double damage?

[grizzled badger]

Can we break Primary Overcharge with Hildryn?

Especially with arcane expertise?

[lavish orbit]

Why both vitality and redirection ? Just take archon vitality for heat buff, maybe primed vigor if you prefer so you have both higher hp and shield and you get one more mod slot

[grizzled badger]

Unfortunate that the arcane caps at 350% multishot

[wide monolith]

Is this a good build for Arbitrations?

I just need to get all of my archon shards tautorged red for 15% ability strength each then it's all set

[mossy juniper]

i dont have prime version

[wide monolith]

I don't think there is a primed Vitality. I'm pretty sure only redirection has a primed variant.

Vitality has Archon Vitality and Umbra Vitality if I remember correctly

[mossy juniper]

no prime vigor

[lavish orbit]

I obtain over 9k with hildryn and expertise, that wouldve be a mess lmao

[grizzled badger]

Hmm, I don't think it works?

In simulacrum and I don't think it's giving multishot

(New to testing, might be missing something)

Yeah, it doesn't give the tooltip

Hildryn not effected

Wonder if intentional, or oversight

[lavish orbit]

Ok so no prime vigor, I would say :

• summoner's wrath is meh on him (it works, but inconsistent since they attack randomly), better call for corrosive projection, brief respite or growing power
• choose between archon vitality or primed redirection depending on what you prefer to tank with
• flow with primed flow and equilibrium instead of power drift to use at maximum the orbs he gets from his ability
  After that, it depends of your playstyle

[lavish orbit]

Han, sad

[grizzled badger]

Where would I go to ask on that?

[lavish orbit]

Players helping players maybe, it should be something on the wiki also

[mossy juniper]

TBF that made alot of since

[mossy juniper]

would molt augmented be good arcane?

[lavish orbit]

Ye, molt augmented is 90% of the time a good pick

[novel bear]

Almost certainly intentional
Hildryn doesn’t have energy, why would an arcane that scales off energy work for her?

[severe bough]

Go on arbi dc but it looks good

[pure ermine]

Are these good?

[long path]

I want a verry strong meele warframe + set but idk which i working the best together so i would be glad for a full set :D pls send as dm private (dor steel path) if possibke

[kind void]

The health tanks have come to a consensus on arcane persistence

[severe bough]

Kullervo harmony
Valkyr harmony

Valkyr Platformer

[long path]

but i need also a build :D

[severe bough]

Ofc

[kind void]

In short there was nothing wrong with the arcane outside of a few super specific builds. Nerfing it into the ground over that was dumb

[severe bough]

Theres a tech

Still

[kind void]

The arcane has some pretty massive requirements that a lot of frames couldn’t even meet without a lot of work

[kind void]

There is no tech to avoid the main problem of the nerf. Which is all the ability negations blocking it

Nullies and magnetic are fine. Everything past that was to much

[severe bough]

I mean its basically only for our boys

Basically

Nothing more sadly

[kind void]

Yes. But the problem we all have with it is that right now with the nerf, if you were already able to do level cap and endurance it doesn’t help and if you couldn’t you still can’t because of the nerf

Essentially nothing has changed.

It’s either not useful or not useful enough to replace other arcanes

[long path]

you have a build for it?

[coral crest]

why would it immediately be a good idea for everyone

its pretty clear that the use was super niche by design

[severe bough]

Exactly

[mossy juniper]

now what shards would Uriel want to eat?

[severe bough]

Every arcane is niche that update

Execpt irrtade thats ass

Or however its called

[coral crest]

secondaries always get the fun toys

[kind void]

I mean specifically for the health tanks that needed a gate for level cap content

[coral crest]

cabal of evil yareli mains run DE

[coral crest]

At least Lavos and Nekros are probably still better off with it

[kind void]

Either they could already do it and it’s not useful or they needed it to get there and can’t use it cause of the nerf

[coral crest]

cant use it?

[kind void]

Because of the nerf it’s not consistent at all. In high level content you need consistency. Having your abilities turned off based on rng spawns every 5 minutes for an instant death is useless

You say rolling guard would stop that but it really won’t. You can’t guarantee you can get to violence before he turns off your abilities and you get 1 shot by anyone with a gun

In short the nerf has made it so that the arcane has no legit use to the players that want it

[severe bough]

Grendel can use it still

With his augment he got status immu

[kind void]

Silence from violence isn’t a status

It turns off your abilities. And shuts off the arcane

[near vortex]

Nidus can use it
Death gate from passive gives him time to kill Violence

[coral crest]

yeah, nidus wins ig lmao

[severe bough]

Lets clarify it inaros nidus are the most common ones who can still use it

[coral crest]

the rest of the nerf is useless largely, but violence is def a hard counter that cant really be argued with

[kind void]

Yah but nidus can do that without the arcane.

And at that level of content I would rather build around generating stacks then an arcane that might just fail randomly

[severe bough]

Others a more niche but still work

[near vortex]

If the Arcane is keeping me at max stacks, I'm willing to sacrifice a bunch of them when Violence spawns and build them up again after he's dead

[kind void]

The thing is this arcane is now more effective on shield frames then it is on health frames. Which is stupid

[kind void]

The arcane doesn’t unlock any content that you couldn’t already do.

[novel bear]

How is it more effective on shield frames?

[kind void]

When it gets negated you still have shields.