builds-discussion

[quiet laurel]

Would rather go with whirlwind so that the glaive travels faster

[old marsh]

[quiet laurel]

Which means faster kpm potential

[old marsh]

yup

[gleaming tangle]

is this a solid build?

[quiet laurel]

Is this a build or random mods thrown at the modding screen

[gleaming tangle]

so is it that bad? i followed a youtube video

[green gyro]

continuous misery fr

[quiet laurel]

Cold is a very bad choice for a dps element, heavy calibre is also not ideal if you go serration
Nataruk has multiCO so you should replace heavy calibre with galvanized aptitude.
Replace cryo rounds and continuous misery with corrosive and then it looks ight

[gleaming tangle]

why is heavy callibre not good with serration?

whats multi co?

[quiet laurel]

Deminishing returns, stacking too much of the same multiplier while you could add other multipliers

[gleaming tangle]

oh ok

[quiet laurel]

The base dmg you get from kills from galvanized aptitude is multiplicative with other base dmg multipliers like serration instead of stacking additively

[gleaming tangle]

how do i replace cry rounds with corrosive which requires 2 mod slots for toxin and electricity?

[quiet laurel]

I said replace cryo rounds and continuous misery for corrosive 👍

[gleaming tangle]

oh ok

should i use malignant for for the extra status chance or does that conform with the diminishing returns you were talking about?

[mellow nimbus]

not sure where to ask this. i'm at the max possible riven capacity and the game won't let me buy more. i'm not sure which riven to get rid of through transmutation.
which among these should i get rid of? which is the worst to put a riven on?

[carmine dew]

you could get rid of like 90% of these tbh

[quiet laurel]

Raw dmg, i.e. the 90% mods, if you have access to it go primed toxin mod

[quiet laurel]

You can give me okina for free fr

Nami solo too

I'll take the burden off of you

I'm such a nice guy

[quiet laurel]

Nvm primed toxin mod doesnt exist for primaries I thought about melees

[carmine dew]

nami solo, okina, magistar, dual tox, latron, furis you can keep

everything else you can get rid of

[quiet laurel]

Dual skana slander

Wait

[carmine dew]

omg you have a verglas riven

[quiet laurel]

Dual skana? Am I dumb

[carmine dew]

are you...

[quiet laurel]

Really need to play the game again

Thought of prisma skana

[quiet laurel]

Ez 400p

[carmine dew]

honestly an impressive riven grind icl

ive got like 8 rivens adn the only one i actually use is a rabvee riven i bought on the market

[timber radish]

heyyy so i am builidng jade and i cant decide wether i put molt augmented or arcane hot shot wich one is more benefecial ?? please ?

[pseudo lodge]

It depends on the situation if you’re going into a long mission, probably augmented

[old marsh]

aug for general use. hotshot works better when u r spamming heat

[timber radish]

let me show you my glory build one sec

since i have hot shot i went for secondary enervate but in the first place it was cascadia flare

[velvet pulsar]

The melee which many other weapons require for crafting

Also Dual Kamas are absolutely horrible for crafting.

[green gyro]

augmented and then enervate on glory

hotshot is completely useless if you have enervate

[old marsh]

This is fine. U can drop gunslinger and use dmg mod coz it has multiplicative co

[timber radish]

like the wasp modd ?

[old marsh]

Hornet Strike

[velvet pulsar]

(unless it's zymos)

[old marsh]

I should mod my Glory too. Been ages

[echo silo]

what is a volt build for eidolons?

[old marsh]

That boy needs an augment

[velvet pulsar]

It's about to change in 2 days

[timber radish]

thanks ^^ gonna need to forma again xD but thanks for the tips

nvm i swapped mods and it went perfectly

[old marsh]

did we get details on the change in mechanics?

[pseudo lodge]

OK, I have a question every once in a while I’m hitting red crits that are doing like one damage or like 60 damage with an ! How is that happening?

[velvet pulsar]

??
IDK about that
I only meant that the arrival of ultimates will definitely bring some big change to eido hunting

[velvet pulsar]

Vigilante set/puncture priming

[pseudo lodge]

Like mathematically, that doesn’t make sense due to just how multiplication works

[pseudo lodge]

I was in my convent and evade tho

Yeah, I don’t have the vigilante set equipped on here

Weird

[old marsh]

oh lol. u r right. forgot about those

[pseudo lodge]

OK for this very specific situation I found a use for primary acuity

[gleaming tangle]

what would be a quick build for mirage to put in the sanctuary onslaught which will quickly kill mobs and give me mastery for weapon

[carmine dew]

WP build

the thing with weapon mastery is that you need to get kills with the weapons to do it

https://overframe.gg/build/191180/mirage-prime/total-malevolence-mirage-dual-augment-max-dps-weapon-platform-solo-steel-path/ so something like this

[severe bough]

Imo they changing eidos?

[cobalt heart]

Does precision intensify work as intended with voruna

[severe bough]

Also about lingering clouds how high is the chance they will be able to fix it cuz it probably will not happen in that update mabye a bit more work then that

[cosmic basin]

Does anyone have any new weapon suggestions? Kind of want something fun to use and I’m burnt out on all my other weapons. Preferably any new weapon releases, primary or melee

[deep grotto]

Eidos are getting reworked or because of the new shi we get from old peace?

[echo silo]

I was only farming it to increase quill ranks, but thanks! the build I have works anyway

[severe bough]

I think the get bit adjustments because we dont know much unless the stuff we saw

[green gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1331275860011126784/1444658461186195560/IMG_8400.png?ex=69380e89&is=6936bd09&hm=5e0df653917a15437a5f9160198b02ed82d7d0e7713d8a1ac2d703311e515dff&

full setup

[echo silo]

Thanks

[severe bough]

Are the rivs mandatory?

[green gyro]

zenith yes

vastilok and sicarus not

[severe bough]

Can u give a quick gameplay loop how it should look like so whats zenith part and sicarus vastilok is there for strip iirc.
Also no shock tropper or am i blind

[severe bough]

Time to roll my zenith riv again

[green gyro]

https://youtu.be/kM1qxQdp32o

[severe bough]

Got it ty

[fathom gyro]

Anyone got a good Caliban prime summoning build?

[limber panther]

What laetum build for ETA?

[severe bough]

Might be asking a dumb question but shouldnt be elc on the riv or how radiation comes up?

[severe bough]

https://overframe.gg/build/889067/caliban-prime/the-razor-storm-caliban-general-use-sp-and-endurance-non-helminth-and-helminth-options/

[green gyro]

on zenith?

primary elec shards

[pastel igloo]

is this optimal, or can i improve it further

hidden mod is CO

[novel bear]

Only real change would be swapping elementalist for a bane mod, and that’s not really necessary

[pastel igloo]

okay thanks, dont really wanna do that as i still wanna deal damage to thrax

was hoping for a range corpus grineer riven but im happy with this one aswell

[severe bough]

Ah lmao

Didnt see the shards

[glass spear]

what can i do to improve braton prime build till im able to get the incarnon?

[eager charm]

What's the equivalent of the Laetum for primaries? High crit high fire rate gun that can easily overwhelm tanky single targets like acolytes, demolishers, etc? I've been trying the Trumna but without the altfire charged up the primary fire isnt very good, and Burston Prime doesn't feel like it does enough damage somehow??

[coral crest]

Spiritually? Phenmor

[eager charm]

Phenmor isnt high crit tho, unless I should just ignore devouring and build it for crit anyways lol

[coral crest]

Braton inc is probably similar enough

[eager charm]

I havent made that one yet, is it better than the Burston at anything?

[coral crest]

Actually you should probably disregard all that I'm saying

I'm no super into incarnons

[median heron]

Latron, miter? Effect wise

[eager charm]

I havent tried the miter yet, I'll see how it does

[echo silo]

Any Kullervo mains here?

I've been using him a lot lately, really love heavy melee builds, I use him with Hate but currently I'm waiting for incarnon to comeback to farm it, and I also use coda pathocyst with him. I usually use a all around build, but can I post here my hate and pathocyst build so you guys can tell me how I can improve it just to use with kullervo?

[coral crest]

you should probably just post it

[echo silo]

alright, 1 sec

[pale elbow]

Quick question, does the Vigilante mod set bonus affect your primary weapon if put on your Sentinel Companion?

[coral crest]

pretty sure it does

[echo silo]

Riven is CC, CD and Initial combo count

I still need to change pathocyst element, currently working on it

[drowsy mauve]

@pine mantle
Here’s the build i have for general use

I am thinking about switching vigorous swap to something else

[pine mantle]

Well if im assuming much higher levels

you are going to need shield gating

[blissful atlas]

Got the dual ichor incarnon😼 Still gotta hit mr 12 for the telos boltor so i can use the incarnon on it

[pine mantle]

Try catalyzing shields

[blissful atlas]

But is building for dual ichor like other melee's?

[pine mantle]

and try to keep your 3 active as long as possible

[blissful atlas]

I see mesa.

[pine mantle]

oh and also

[drowsy mauve]

I think i already have that on?
But i’ll be sure to equip it just in case

[pine mantle]

Arcane Velocity is a must-have for Mesa

[drowsy mauve]

Mesa prime 😎

[blissful atlas]

Sameee, i clear enemies hella fast already lol

[drowsy mauve]

Which arcane should i switch out for it?

[blissful atlas]

Still need to get arcane for the frame tho

[pine mantle]

the one that gives fire rate for pistol ones

[blissful atlas]

got the overguard one for the exalted maxed

[pine mantle]

usually

it's catalyzing plus something to generate shields

for cast-spam frames it's usally Agur or Brief respite

but usually for me its kill faster than my enemies would

otherwise try soething like catalyzing + shield recharge

just ideas keep in mind since I am not a pro at building

if you can:
Get Mesa's Waltz

this aug allows you to move while in 4

and somehow exlius compatable

[drowsy mauve]

Yea i was planning on getting that and the ballistic battery one

[pine mantle]

forgot to mention one thing

Vigirous swap doesnt work with mesa's 4

for some reason it doesnt trigger the bonus buff despite changing to exalted weapons

[drowsy mauve]

Yea i figured
The plan was to use it with my Akjagara prime but I realized just how little value i get from it TvT

[pine mantle]

it takes a specifc build to make maximum effect with vigirous swap

[severe bough]

Imo wrong channel

I thought replied to my friend💀

[drowsy mauve]

Ur good -v-

[severe bough]

If u got cata shields + brespite/augur mod use that for shield gate OR u use lazy gating with cata shields vigilante vigor and fast deflection. ( but thats only for high lvls )
Otherwise u said u wanna use it for general just use the generic health tanking setup it should be enough for mesa

U can swap out redirection for Adaption if u have that

[lunar blade]

this is my level of idk what to do before the old peace release

[median heron]

Im pretty sure it does work but when you deactivate 4, unless they changed something

[versed harbor]

vig swap wouldnt be worth it even if it fully worked tbh

[pseudo lodge]

I love the dual vicuss I don’t know if they’re underrated cause I never hear anybody talk about them but being able to have blast gas and electric on one weapon, especially since it has high status chance and attack speed plus an attack speed buff when you get gas procs is crazy

[wanton widget]

So either Reach or Whirlwind? @old marsh @quiet laurel

[quiet laurel]

opportunities reach does nothing for glaives

[old marsh]

not the range. the time

[mighty flare]

youd want to swap out brain storm and rifle elementalist for viral with primed cryo rounds & malignant force
are you getting it externally?

[quiet laurel]

wdym the time?

detonating a glaive is instant

[mighty flare]

then swap serration for galvanized aptitude

[wanton widget]

They mean the 4 additional seconds to your timer

[quiet laurel]

ight gang, what exact mod are we talking about

and what timer 😭

[mighty flare]

blast electric on innate gas isnt good

[lunar blade]

it's a meme build +400% fire rate infinite ammo. I tried it with viral/heat but the constant reloading is kinda bad without brain storm

[mighty flare]

wastes slots for no reason

[pseudo lodge]

Fair I just heard blast was funni

[quiet laurel]

I use dual viccis purely for the funny attack speed, we are different

[mighty flare]

doesnt wild frenzy auto reload? thats sounds like ur dmg too low

[pseudo lodge]

Electric duals are so good and fun

One of the very few ways I will find influence truly fun to play with

[quiet laurel]

electric [insert melee weapon] is so fun

[pseudo lodge]

No

[old marsh]

tennokai window. apologies. should have used the correct term. with Glaives its always finnicky

so i prefer to have a longer window

[quiet laurel]

tennokai on pathocyst?

what are we cooking

[old marsh]

ye. to keep the 12x combo

[pseudo lodge]

Tennokai on kullurvo is really fun because you have to react relatively quickly to use his one with little to no cost besides energy

[quiet laurel]

is this legal or do I need to call the police

[lunar blade]

no 🙁 it refills ammo to your magazine . . . dmg is ok, for a meme build. << tested with sp heavy gunner lvl 230(?)

[quiet laurel]

would really love to see the gameplay loop of that

[old marsh]

aah. i see. you are trolling. good one

i almost fell for it

[pseudo lodge]

Also the hammer throw zar arcane is so fun

[mighty flare]

oh ic, then you'd still wanna swap serration to galvanized aptitude and crux for deadhead

[quiet laurel]

"hold on lotus, I need to reach my 12x combo with ma glaive that doesnt auto bounce really quick"

[pseudo lodge]

Especially on kulluvo

[pseudo lodge]

Kid named rauta

[quiet laurel]

kid named galv reflex

[pseudo lodge]

It’s just a bright red explosion in the upper millions I think I’ve hit 1 billion

[mighty flare]

like this, and just get armor strip elsewhere

[pseudo lodge]

And for some godforsaken reason, it deals viral damage

[quiet laurel]

you mean contaigon?

[pseudo lodge]

Mhm

[mighty flare]

i do wish brainstorm was an exilus

[quiet laurel]

it probs deals viral cause you have a plague part on there

[wintry obsidian]

For ocucor what's better Cascadia flare or secondary eneverate?

[quiet laurel]

cant see the parts in the modding screen 🙏

[pseudo lodge]

But you can see that it doesn’t have intrinsic viral damage

I don’t know it’s not even about the status. It’s just awesome and really fun.

[quiet laurel]

does it show? never used a plague one

[pseudo lodge]

Let me check what parts I used I remember I’m just using the staff and some regular connectors, I gotta check what head I’m using though

[mighty flare]

flare, and if ur using external dmg% you can swap to fortifier/enervate

[silver musk]

I've got Wukong this week for ETA and Wisp for EDA. I have both prime but relatively unbuilt/unused. I've got decent weapons for both Archimedeas available, just wondering if there's any good synergies for survivability I can tap into.

[quiet laurel]

interesting, nourish perhaps?

[pseudo lodge]

Nope

I’m using a shock trooper kullurvo

[quiet laurel]

both have survivability built into their kit

[pseudo lodge]

I mean, it’s basically invisibility versus invulnerability whichever one you prefer

[wintry obsidian]

I see but most builds I see usually go like gal shot and diffusion a bane mod and then like it varies maybe some elemental mods does the extra heat stacks acc scale better then enevrate? I mean on paper if ur already putting in a shit ton of elemental mods it dosent seem like it

[silver musk]

I don't think I clued in Cloud Walker healed, that's neat. Wukong is easy enough then, Wisp I should just stay airborne then?

[pseudo lodge]

Or use that one augment

[wintry obsidian]

In that case what riven stats would I even go for

[quiet laurel]

wisps 2 makes you invis, and keeps you invis even if you shoot and makes you immortal when you double tap her 2

[pseudo lodge]

Or if you use a glave idk what weapons you got tho

[quiet laurel]

ms, mag cap, cd, fr, element

element heavily depending on whether you are using a rainbow build, cyte, saryn or smth like heat

would also rather recommend mag cap for hyper buffers like cyte or saryn

[wintry obsidian]

I see

[pseudo lodge]

I’m a filthy elec sobek cyte player. It’s not my primary build. It’s barely even a tertiary build that I use but damn. It’s really fun when it works.

[quiet laurel]

cyte is my go to atp cause he makes the old meta AoE primaries good again

bramma my beloved

[pseudo lodge]

Idk I wish my favorite frame design wise was better, but I don’t know how they would change her

Ivara is so cool

[severe bough]

Zarr the mighty spam

execpt looking through every frame and weapons whats a good thing to do before update smth that can be important afterwards?

[quiet laurel]

have focus ready for all schools

[pseudo lodge]

I use a primary acuity blast build on her Artemis bow and it’s like really fun

[severe bough]

Everything execpt madurai can go fly

[pseudo lodge]

If you miss you feel like shit but the moment you actually hit that headshot you just AUGH

[severe bough]

Dont even have innerway bounds for vazarin 💀

The need to add focus exchanges

[quiet laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-laughing-smile-look-at-this-gif-15049124

[pseudo lodge]

5 plat per 1000 focus :3

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tongue-cat-smiling-gif-11949735780193730026

[severe bough]

Honestly make it 100k i would buy that

DE

I got a idea

[pseudo lodge]

I love her so much

[severe bough]

I hate focus farming🥀

Dont wanna plax duviri now

Or elite

Or whatever

[civic apex]

Focus farming? It's called playing the game if you aren't so lazy you can't even be asked to use lenses

[severe bough]

True should probably uses lenses imo keep forget about them

[quiet laurel]

thank god I had an eidolon phase

[pseudo lodge]

How’s it lookin tho

[fathom sky]

Piercing Hit and unranked Speed Trigger is chopped as hell

[pseudo lodge]

Forma is expensive

[civic apex]

Using what the game provides is quite the profitable strategy especially if you're at the point where you can already farm greater lenses from faction bounties

[pseudo lodge]

What do you recommend replacing it with no cost

[fathom sky]

It's really not.

[fathom sky]

Elementalist since you're going Elec anyway

[pseudo lodge]

Then you buy more for me

[fathom sky]

Not my fault you're broke, start trading Prime stuff

[pseudo lodge]

I have to wait 12 hours to get it and I’m not gonna use it on a relatively niche build

[civic apex]

I'd recommend grinding some forma. Or giving DE your wallet since forma bundles are the most bought bundle

[civic apex]

You are the problem here. Not the game.

[pseudo lodge]

I Do that and then buy more shit and realistically, I’m still not gonna use Forma on said relatively niche build

[pseudo lodge]

How so? Genuinely

[civic apex]

..... sorry but I can't educate the delusional. Should probably play a less grindy game

[fathom sky]

Yeah, you just gotta buy more stuff. I'm not gonna play the game for you buying you Forma. This game is just grindy as hell

[pseudo lodge]

Ok?? Why are y’all so hostile?

Daymn

[fathom sky]

Why are you asking me to buy you stuff for something you admit you think is niche enough for you to not want to use the Forma on anyway

[placid meadow]

why u guys being rude!

[drowsy herald]

They were probably joking

[pseudo lodge]

Yea lmao chill

I wasn’t actually asking you to buy me shit

[placid meadow]

obviously

[fathom sky]

It's far from the first time (from other people)

[pseudo lodge]

Yall just came in so hot. There was no need for that.

[placid meadow]

go breathe and drink water you're being unkind and unhelpful

[drowsy herald]

I think you should farm for forma blue prints and build them on the side while you play. I started playing in like late October and made forma here and there. I have like 15 ish forma saved now. And iam building another one. The neural sensors can be a pain to get though

[placid meadow]

yea! that's what i was going to say

[pseudo lodge]

Oh, I have like 57 lol I spend like hour long relic grinds but even if I had like 40 for realistically, I’m not gonna use it no matter how much I love her

[placid meadow]

you probably have lots of relics that give forma blueprints

[fathom sky]

They already mentioned waiting on the bps so nothing else to do besides buying more Forma at this point.

[placid meadow]

oh! well you should be crafting a forma 24/7!!

[drowsy herald]

Yeaaaah maybe you should be more generous then lol forma isn't that rare of a resource

[pseudo lodge]

I am?

[placid meadow]

build up a big stockpile!!

[pseudo lodge]

Oh, I’m just extremely impulsive with my shit

[severe bough]

I did aswell but all gone to madurai

[drowsy herald]

They said they have 57 thatsa lot

[placid meadow]

oh!

[pseudo lodge]

Trust me, I know how this game works. I’ve been playing for a while.

[fathom sky]

57 Forma or 57 blueprints?

[placid meadow]

then i'm confused i thought they needed forma

[pseudo lodge]

Bp

[fathom sky]

Oh then yeah

[drowsy herald]

Oh then build them

[pseudo lodge]

How am I the most confused person here?

[fathom sky]

.

[drowsy herald]

You should be building atleast 2-3 per week id say

[pseudo lodge]

Yes…? It wasn’t that serious like I hate to say it that way, but it wasn’t.

[placid meadow]

i build one every day if i can

[drowsy herald]

I think the person is traumatized from the freeloaders

[pseudo lodge]

I wasn’t actually complaining

[placid meadow]

i have 50 built forma it's nice!!

[drowsy herald]

Same here. Unless iam low on the damn neural sensors

[pseudo lodge]

Kid named ripka nekros

[placid meadow]

neural sensors are fine, it's the orokin cells

[drowsy herald]

Iam trying to unlock jupiter on steel path for neural sensors but iam stuck in the defence missions

[placid meadow]

i went through 40 orokin cells in a week right after farming them

[drowsy herald]

I can usually have enough cells from random drops. Well I consider having around 20-30 to be enough

[pseudo lodge]

I have 70 in my inventory right now and 444 neural sensor

[placid meadow]

i got a double resource buff from login and used it to get 40 orokin cells thinking it would be enough

but then i made a bunch of weapons and stuff that required 5 or 10 of them

[pseudo lodge]

Every once in a while, I kind of just run through the void with nekros usually on a relic grind or I kind of just go wherever I need to go

[drowsy herald]

Jesus how many things do you build

I don't have enough space yet

[placid meadow]

lots!

i have been mastering as much as i can

[pseudo lodge]

I’m at mastery 22 and I’m kind of just been sitting there

[placid meadow]

i have been mr12 for years but i'm 14 now

[pseudo lodge]

I’ve played 120 hours in the last two weeks

In about 200 on this PC that I just got

[drowsy herald]

I am 14 for the last week and iam trying to lazily get to. 16 for the rivens and then Ill probably won't bother

[placid meadow]

i need to start using new warframes but i don't waaanntt to

[pseudo lodge]

That’s 443 hours overall

[placid meadow]

i like sticking with the ones i like

[pseudo lodge]

Which ones are you looking at cause I might play them a little bit

[drowsy herald]

Farming for mastery takes the fun out

[pseudo lodge]

I cycle between about like five and then have like three more in my pocket

[placid meadow]

i have like 15+ warframes built but unranked

just because i don't want to use them

[pseudo lodge]

Oh… you should probably do that just so you can put them in the helmeth

[placid meadow]

i know

they're just kinda boring!

[pseudo lodge]

Just go to cameria

What frames do you have that you haven’t ranked?

[placid meadow]

like rhino was so boring and now i have to rank rhino prime

[pseudo lodge]

God forbid you play one of the best frames in the game

[placid meadow]

he doesn't excite me

[pseudo lodge]

Damn

My favorite frames are relatively normal guass Yareli harrow Mesa qorvex

Volt

There’s a few more probably that I cycle between sometimes

[placid meadow]

i like nova, mag, gauss

[pseudo lodge]

Like gyre Dante (when I want to win) nova baruuk

[placid meadow]

i got mag's crush augment and i kind of hate it 😭

[pseudo lodge]

Citrine

[placid meadow]

it speeds up her crush animation so much and makes it look silly

[pseudo lodge]

Lavos is so fun but you can really mess your hand up

Protea is such a brain off frame

Kullurvo with my zaw is so fun

[placid meadow]

i was trying to get protea! i should go back to that today i was having fun

[pseudo lodge]

I find joy in most frames to be honest

[placid meadow]

granum void is kinda cool

[pseudo lodge]

There’s only one frame I truly despise

Titania

[placid meadow]

i love titania

except her first 3 abilities

idk what they do they seem terrible

[pseudo lodge]

No, I hate her specifically because of how much I love guass

[placid meadow]

i just fly around with the 4th one

[pseudo lodge]

Whenever I talk about him, you get one of those dumbass fairies, whispering in my ear about how she’s so much better

[placid meadow]

speed is not about speed

[pseudo lodge]

It’s about presence

It’s about game feel

[placid meadow]

titania's speed is "i want to do this mission as fast and optimally as possible because there is no joy in my life" speed

[pseudo lodge]

Sorry, she’s one of the only frames I genuinely despise

[placid meadow]

gauss' speed is "i want to feel really cool" speed

[pseudo lodge]

It is not just. I’m bad at controlling her because I’m not very good at control. Yareli but she’s one of my favorite frames.

[quasi citrus]

does archon flow work with thermal sunder?

[pseudo lodge]

Why wouldn’t it?

[quasi citrus]

bc if you go hot then cold it makes a blast proc so idk if its a cold ability

[pseudo lodge]

It starts the effect it works, but like just use arc vitality instead

[willow quiver]

Is there a way I can make my dual toxicist have electricity even tho it’s a toxin weapon?

[quasi citrus]

yeah i got both on

[quiet laurel]

use shock with the augment or use cyte

[quasi citrus]

ok ty
literally never used aflow before so idk how it works

[pseudo lodge]

I would personally recommend dropping archon flow and clipping arcane ice storm

[balmy harbor]

Helloo whats the god roll for dual ichor?

[dense void]

Anyone know how much strength I should be aiming for with cyte?

[queen parcel]

Can the onos be a good heat primer?

If not what's a good heat primer for ember?

[calm plover]

Silly brick numbers

[eager charm]

Epitaph is perfectly fine as the blast radius wont knock her down with healing flame augment, but if you want max coverage something like a napalm kuva ogris might be better?

[median heron]

Triple elem

[eager charm]

Archon flow is pretty crap... very few abilities do enough cold damage to kill outright(thermal sunder doesnt count, its blast) and you usually dont want to mod your exalted weapons for cold either

[eager charm]

It's mostly about your other stats rly
75% range is completely fine on smaller tile sets, as is slightly less duration
Any spare mod slots go right into strength
Also consider sharpshooter mod on his rifle for energy economy

[dense void]

Thanks boss

[eager charm]

Yep, the main "trick" to cyte is reducing range and duration to a comfortable minimum to be able to maintain evade, so once you're there, all strength

[dense void]

313% strength it is!

[eager charm]

Good luck, you can slot more range for open world and more duration/efficiency for low density missions

I'm still trying to get ivara to work but I have no idea what to do with her anymore lol 🥹

Xata artemis bow doesnt oneshot demos anymore so like what is she even good for

[queen parcel]

dang, nothing looks nice on her

hmmm...i have a javlok?

[eager charm]

I use max heat max range max ammo napalm ogris for heat priming and viral heat laetum on my ember personally

I dont think any weapon is better for aoe coverage than napalm ogris

If there is then I'd love to know lol

[queen parcel]

oh no i meant look wise

they dont look as nice on ember heirloom as say...the onos or javlok lol

[eager charm]

You can buy the Unreal Tournament skin from the ingame.market I think? It looks very nice imo

[queen parcel]

doesn't look good on the ember heirloom tho is what i mean

[valid cargo]

Can anyone share me a weapon platform Gauss prime?

[silver musk]

Ez week for both, I need to trust my ability to slap together a decent build

[chrome badge]

Was… was that a joke?

[near vortex]

However much you can get while also getting enough of the other stats for your liking

strength boosts weapon damage twice, thrice on Neutralizer

[coral crest]

It's time to health gate

[queen parcel]

are there any melee's that can get heat and electricity at the same time?

[obsidian bluff]

Are Archon mods worth the investment, and if so, how many should i apply to my builds in order to make them stronger?

[queen parcel]

wha, where did you see this?

[coral crest]

Pablo twitter

[queen parcel]

i

cannot wait for this

[obsidian bluff]

Without mods? Doubt it

[queen parcel]

my valk is gonna be so happy

[queen parcel]

and with mods?

[obsidian bluff]

That would be every single weapon in the game. Unless you want a weapon with heat or electricity already there

[queen parcel]

?

heat and electricy aren't possible on most (if not maybe every idk fully) tho

cause they would combine and make blast

[obsidian bluff]

Yeah

[queen parcel]

so...

what are you getting at here?

[coral crest]

They're primed most that come at extra extra cost to have an extra passive effect.

Vitality doubles heat procs from abilities and is generally a great dps boost for anyone who outputs damage with that sort of thing. Continuity is free armor strip for toxin damage abilities. Stretch is free energy regen(but there's no extra reach so it's a bit cheaper than the rest)

Flow is really inconsistent and borderline not worth using. It's a small chance for a single energy orb per 10 seconds for stacking cold. Intensify is a 60% str buff that requires you to constantly getting healed by abilities(which means also constantly taking hp damage), if you don't have a frame that can arrange it it's completely useless.

All of these effects also apply to Exalted weapons as well

[obsidian bluff]

I see. Thanks for the info

[queen parcel]

archon intensify is really only good on like...garuda

[obsidian bluff]

The point is its not possible to have both, you could run two separate weapons with heat and electricity, but not on the same weapon

[queen parcel]

right that's what i was asking tho is if there's any way to get both

[obsidian bluff]

No. They'll automatically give you blast

[queen parcel]

got it

those augmentd that let you buff weapons combine with mods?

oh what about reconifex?

[obsidian bluff]

When you say augmented, you mean prebuilt in?

[queen parcel]

wh

no?

i mean the augments

"d" is right next to "s" sue me

[obsidian bluff]

...

OH

Sorry it took me a while to click

[obsidian bluff]

I want to say yes, but im not certain myself

Wait, no

Uh

[deep grotto]

-heat and elec
-blast
What

[wild rune]

close enough

[obsidian bluff]

He means for the Reconifex

Does the reload get combined with the electricity mod installed?

[wild rune]

the error is that heat and electric make radiation, not blast

all elemental mods combine if possible

oh wait

I'm fairly certain Reconifex' additional Heat damage is a separate instance of damage

I'll do a quick deep dive, but I know for a fact that the heat proc is forced

[deep grotto]

The Tonkatt’s heat damage might be seperate too if that’s relevant enough

[obsidian bluff]

Is that built in the gun without a mod?

[wild rune]

TL;DR the damage of the bonus instance will be increased by the electricity mod, but the element will not combine and will never inflict that status; only the main instance will

[obsidian bluff]

Very interesting

[valid cargo]

Does anyone have a strong weapon platform gauss build?

[deep grotto]

It’s a melee, and yeah
You get heat damage for raising the combo count
Considering you’re able to run influence slop on it without combining, i think it remains seperate

[obsidian bluff]

Oh, duh. I forgot those are the chainsaw tonfas. I got it mixed up with the tonkor grenade launcher

I took a small break from the game and im already forgetting stuff

[eager charm]

Does Voracious Metastasis refund energy to you as well as allies? Only ever tried it on Hildryn so idk for other frames

[pure reef]

Gooning over this

Grendel Valkyr Lavos Inaros Nidus

[coral crest]

Don't forget that

[bitter dust]

today i will play gloom oraxia and full strengh wisp

[azure tinsel]

left or right

[serene rain]

Right tbh

[azure tinsel]

take right and keep rolling?

[rugged ferry]

i am so confused..how does removing ONE 24% mod...going from 318% to 294%
....remove nearly a full secound on my blaze artillery o.0 that seems a bit more than 24%....

[serene rain]

I think you can knock off that negative size today if you wanna keep on rolling so be it

[bitter dust]

low key awkward

left is better to sell but right is probably more dmg just because it has multishot

they are probably not that diff in terms of dps tho if i had to guess

multishot is double dipped on DoTs which is why it is favored

[azure tinsel]

welp

i suppose ill take the right for now

[serene rain]

Math in wf lol 💀

Makes a whole difference

[rugged ferry]

its annoying me to no end
cause i want to replace that mod SO MUCH to put on augments
but that 1 24% mod is providing WAY MORE THAN 24% and i cant justify removign it with how powerful it is

[bitter dust]

its just 3s times strength

3s times 24% = 0.72s

[rugged ferry]

o.0

[bitter dust]

(3s = base duration)

[rugged ferry]

oh k

huh.....grrrr

remove it...or keep it

i keep forgetting to use her 4..so augments are....useful if i remember to....i wish they didnt depend on her 4

so i could technically not use augment, and keep it. let it build up more dmg multipliers...

[pure reef]

I think there's a display bug with Blaze Artillery atm

[eager charm]

Dual augment protea is extremely underrated, one of the strongest ability damage frames in the entire game

I like putting nourish over her 3 to allow her to roam, give it a try sometime

[rugged ferry]

but at the cost of that duration....

[eager charm]

You can also invert proteq's tap/hold to be able to cancel her 4 with one press

[rugged ferry]

oh?

how. that sounds good

[eager charm]

Holding one 20x turret that targets 360 + strips armor for 20+ second is way stronger, trust me

[rugged ferry]

and what mod to replace for it...

oh right i got an arcane for duration

ok remove the 24% mod...and what other for the 2nd augment

[hot furnace]

looking to burn through my excessive amount of stance forma that I didn't even work towards building

Crushing Ruin or Shattering Storm for Wolf Sledge?

[eager charm]

One normal turret scaling up to 40x and then disappearing after getting one more shot off isnt as valuable as having a 360 degree, 20x turret on protea's hip all the time

[rugged ferry]

aye

so remove prime continuity....

[eager charm]

You are way over killing duration, I would replace augur message and maybe umbral intensify

My daily driver protea only has like 80% ish strength because you can snapshot her passive onto whatever ability you want

[rugged ferry]

now how do i switch her 4 from hold to default

oh nvm i found it

[eager charm]

The other nice side effect of inverting protea is that her shield grenades come out on tap

The augments basically fix proteas only weakness of being chained to her dispensary + having to wait for heat dots to tick to strip armor

So she can just go berserk and do whatever, throw staggering shrapnel grenades, use her weapons, snapshot passive onto her 2, 3, or 4, etc etc

250% range will also allow you to laser down anything in open worlds too lol, its nice

[rugged ferry]

still kinda annoying....to have to remember to hit her 4 again or be dragged back

wish we could have it just...auto run out of time

make it so her 4 will rewind time if we die, or if we hit it again. let us toggle it
and if we dont, it just expires

[eager charm]

That's the ONLY downside to Protea yeah... have to listen for the ticking or watch the timer then double tap 4

If it wasnt for that I think she'd be top 10 frames easily

[rugged ferry]

na theres a 2nd downside to her
visually. her turret doesnt always...deploy right
the arms do
but sometimes u left with the center of it

and u left with this

whatever that center part is

[eager charm]

Try to toggle and untoggle her 4 to pick it up? I use Caladrius deluxe skin so idk lol

[rugged ferry]

na its not an issue with 4

it happens randomly. sometimes full turret deploys
sometimes it doesnt

[eager charm]

Weird

[rugged ferry]

alot of visual wierd stuff to be fair

ever play garuda with a speargun? 7 years and DE hasnt fixed

[eager charm]

Oh also if you're struggling with energy management,protea is one of the few frames that LOVE arcane steadfast

[crimson osprey]

Hey, sometimes i struggle with equinox when focus fired, any suggestions on how to deal with that? im wreacking my brain here

[obsidian bluff]

Is it ideal to install the Firestorm mod on the Zarr? Im trying to to improve damage and make my pirate warframe build better

[eager charm]

Equinox doesnt have much survivability unless you're in night form for her rest I think, aside from that, not much you can do

[versed harbor]

its a nice mod but not first priority especially none primed version

[eager charm]

Equinox these days is usually played with maim up and trying to hit as hard as possible so nothing can touch her

[versed harbor]

night form has good survivability (shield on kill, crowd controls) or day has rly good damage to nuke before anything gets to you so just choose rly

[obsidian bluff]

What would you recommend?

[rugged ferry]

i found out who's been stealing my kills with a blue beam blast
...my deathcube has clones...and they been running around using this...forgot...i gave it that....its working well

[obsidian bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[rugged ferry]

poor eximus units

[eager charm]

Post the modscreen for your zarr?

[mighty flare]

only the primed version, whats ur build look like

[obsidian bluff]

Sure, one sec

@eager charm @mighty flare Here it is. I have the stormbringer there temporarily, until i find something better

[eager charm]

Slot critical chance mod, critical delay or point strike
You'll definitely want to get Malignant Force and Rime Rounds when you can to boost your status chance
Then, you can remove rifle aptitude for firestorm or something else like reload speed

Ammo mutation in exilus should also help with the ammo economy, but you should try to get kuva zarr if you can

[obsidian bluff]

I could once i find out how to obtain it

[eager charm]

Rifle ammo mutation shouldnt be too rare I dont think

[obsidian bluff]

I meant Kuva Zarr

[eager charm]

Oh LOL

Have to do War Within and then find a larvling with it, Lex on Sedna is a good mission to spam looking for one

[obsidian bluff]

Also i would have to use a forma to change the polarity of the exilus slot

[obsidian bluff]

Lex is the assassination target? I haven't unlocked all the sedna nodes yet

[eager charm]

I think it's on Ceres, and it's a capture mission

[obsidian bluff]

?

Interdasting

[crimson osprey]

Does it? i seem to have different experiences, or maybe its just too high level to really afect the outcome. ill try swapping more, thanks

[eager charm]

Lex mission to easily spawn Kuva Liches

[obsidian bluff]

OOOOOH

I'll try that after my current mission run

[eager charm]

Equinox is kinda borked right now because all of her good buffs and aoe damage are in day form, but all her survivability is in night form, and you dump your maim stacks if you switch without augment, but if you use augment then you cant have both survivability and damage soooo

Just super awkward design, I hope they rework her

[crimson osprey]

Yea this is my problem- i tried helminthe abilties, tossing decoy on, to little affect, but i tried it.. still kind of fits her theme, but isnt very good

[eager charm]

It's not just you lol dont worry

[versed harbor]

ye shes hard to get perfect

she scales rly good though so if you can do it right it literally works at any level

[crimson osprey]

i use her as a generalist frame, take her on any mission type or level, but sometimes shes just a little squishy

[coral crest]

She also gets a unique benefit of leeching her nuke damage off allies

[eager charm]

Not rly true, she struggles to survive
Her maim is good if you use a weapon nuke to build it up like slam build, but aside from that, she doesnt rly offer anything special

They wanted a frame with 6 abilities but it's just awkward

[crimson osprey]

weapons arent a problem, bassocyst+cycron+prisma skana

[novel bear]

Pacify is awful

Worst dr ability in the game and it’s not even close

[eager charm]

If every single one of her abilities could snapshot the duration so she could keep them all active at the same time(except mend and maim that would be broken) it could be a nice bandaid idk

[crimson osprey]

i was loking for sometihng to replace it, idk

[eager charm]

Rest, rage, pacify, provoke all active at the same time would definitely be interesting

[crimson osprey]

null star, but they auto attack and track

[static zealot]

Any nuke builds for nezha

[eager charm]

I hear ppl say pyrotechnics Nezha with archon vitality is the way to go, but you still need to use weapons for eximus

Even with max cast speed you cant hit them in time

[hot furnace]

• damage, + status chance, - mag cap

well, looks like I'll be keeping this bow riven

[neat patio]

What's a good aura for Harrow?
Using all of his abilities as intended.

[hybrid axle]

How do I get stronger?

[quiet aurora]

The main way to get stronger is to upgrade your mods

[hybrid axle]

I do that all the time🫩

[eager charm]

Post the modscreens for your equipped gear in this chat and ppl can help

[hybrid axle]

I’m feel like I’m good for right now but it doesn’t feel like it

My mastery is 5

[mighty flare]

corrosive projection

[hybrid axle]

I’m waiting for Garuda too🫩

[eager charm]

What primary and frame are you using? We cant see the names

[hybrid axle]

Oh

It’s Octavia and Ogris

[eager charm]

Careful with octavia bc she can be so boring that you get burned out of the game
You dont need redirection, vitality, steel fiber, AND shock absorbers all on the same frame, slot ability strength or streamline instead
Try to find split chamber for your rifle and barrel diffusion for your pistol, very key mods
Replace an elemental on your melee for crit chance

[hybrid axle]

Okay thanks I’ll keep that in mind

[hybrid axle]

Okay but what do I keep for Octavia?

I think they’re tired of me already🫩

[dusky holly]

Could Excalibur damage be even better?

[green gyro]

yes

[neon cove]

Any reccomends for a good defense/survival frame only hv volt rn but want someone with more crowd control based abilities

[old marsh]

nova

[novel bear]

Zephyr

[unborn crag]

hiii does anyone have any builds for gauss? thanks :D

[jade otter]

Okay, any help is appreciated as long as it’s beneficial

I’ve built a basic Nova but I’m thinking about being selfish and swapping Total Eclipse for Archon Vitality or going the Arcane Hot Shot route, I am confused

[severe bough]

Platf or nuke

[unborn crag]

nuke!

[old marsh]

This is fine. But u can drop augur reach/total eclipse for Reach.

[severe bough]

Focus in range duration u can dump on strength use molt augmented to then get neutral str help sunder use aegis + fast deflection to be immortel 1-2 cast speed 3 duration shards
Roar over 2

[drowsy pelican]

I feel like vigorous swap will be good on Uriel’s new weapon

Since you’re gonna be constantly swapping between the two modes

And arcane blade charger

[severe bough]

If it does apply

[drowsy pelican]

Which building do you think I should use?

[mighty flare]

right, switch to viral/corrosive and slot crit mods
drop shivering

[queen parcel]

Dexterity is gonna go hard

[near vortex]

Limbo

[jade otter]

I did this after I realised my mistake lol

I decided to drop both

Putting both archon vital and stretch then swapping the molt augmented for arcane hot shot

Basically an infinite and regenerating 1

I use her 4 as a break out of jail or speed up the map

I was considering dropping the Eclipse for Roar but idk if that’s wise? @old marsh

[jade otter]

Invest into Biotic Rounds augment for the absolute god tier shredding

Then you can ultimately lose the magnetic

[old marsh]

U should. Eclipse is for niche cases and for another source of DR (which u don’t need given Nova has her own). I usually suggest anyone to just have 2 builds. See whatever works for them

[green gyro]

use nourish

mprime explosions will proc viral and you can lose energise

[vapid pivot]

What can be the best supposed loadouts for Descendia 🤔

[velvet pulsar]

Why the hell it's always the exact same shady pics?

<@&778745217037238293> Banish this into rift.

[coral crest]

Bar is very low. If the person is suspicious enough to not fall for obviously shady images it's not worth wasting time trying to convince them

Same reason why many scam emails have a very unofficial tone and might contain grammar errors

[velvet pulsar]

Incompetency

Anyways
The new Arcane Persistence will result Lavos into:
No shields
No energy
No need overguard
Status Immunity by passive so heat procs cannot reduce armor.

[robust steppe]

Aur... Mr. Thunder thighs build but I need opinions

[coral crest]

Yeah it seemingly turns any "impure" health tanks like Grendel and Lavos into actually extremely potent ones

And "pure" health tanks just turn immortal

Except Kullervo

He just got arcane aegis as an augment

[velvet pulsar]

It's zero loss for kullervo too, coz he didn't have shields to begin with

I wonder if energy tanking will make a return in this late 2025

This new arcane might make quick thinking + hunter adrenaline worth it

[opaque pier]

Can anyone share there dante build for nuke steelpath🙂🙂

[wanton wolf]

can someone show me the best current end game build for tigris prime

also is this riven is trash for the tigris it got the damage but it also have the negative 52% status chance

[gleaming tangle]

How should I build nekros for steel path

[wooden swift]

Can someone please tell me the best prisma sakana incarnon build for endo farming as a nekros

[lunar blade]

• Tank. Enough to survive without Shadows (and use Shield of Shadows only in danger/boss situations) so you don’t slow down certain missions = less loot. Your choice whether to go Health Tanking / Shield Gating / Rolling Guard. I suggest Health Tanking to keep it viable even for Infested farms.
• Range. If you're solo, one Overextended is more than enough. If you're in a squad, you might want to add Stretch as well.
• Ripkas. To dismember enemies (= more loot), the Slash portion of the weapon must be over 50% of its total damage, and you want to avoid status because many statuses prevent body dismemberment (including Slash Status). This leaves very few weapons available, and they’re not very effective. And since more kills = more loot, Ripkas, with its Amalgam mod, solves the problem by giving guaranteed dismemberment to your primary and secondary weapons.
  (Just make sure they don’t completely vaporize enemies, e.g. Tenet Arca Plasmor.)
• Caps: Terrify → 167% Strength. Shield of Shadows → 215% Strength.
• Notes: He already has 100% AoE armor removal, though it’s quite inconvenient to use in Defense. I prefer removing Soul Punch for a damage buff.

Example of Health Tanking Nekros (+2 strength shards for shadows cap and +1 violet equilibrium shard)

[gleaming tangle]

Interesting, ripkas are weapons right? I'm using hate and nataruk right now but I'll definitely check it out! Thanks a lot

[lunar blade]

Yes and this is the mod. It works for all your equipped arsenal :33

[hidden pier]

viral elec or corrosive cold for the felarx
i'm using it for single target dps

[mossy juniper]

any good Hildryn builds? steel path

[analog barn]

Any good Excalibur Umbra builds for crazy damage?

[deep grotto]

#1429852785251455016

[robust steppe]

:o tysm !

[main forge]

whats good on a cedo riven for a niche build

this is what i got

[lunar blade]

With 0.55 riven disposition even regular mods seem better than these. Maybe 2 or 3 element of your choice if you have kuva to spend 🤔

[mossy juniper]

looking for a hildryn prime and Cedo prime build

[green gyro]

ms fr tox, tox is mandatory

dont bother with rivens

[upper siren]

Mid game Qorvex build?

[old marsh]

Shield of shadows is your solution. But be mindful, u can’t be too mobile with it. Those necromancy summons r best for defense/survivals. if you want to keep killing and moving, add rolling guard, build around and keep cycling between his 1 & 2.

[celest tendon]

which one left or right or to roll

[spiral chasm]

neg status chance 💀 both are ded

[granite ginkgo]

keep reroll

[severe bough]

If u got external viral u use coro cold if not viral elc

[proper vapor]

Iron Skin scales with armor, right?

[granite ginkgo]

str n armor

[lost hull]

And damage in within 3 sec of cast... I think

[granite ginkgo]

priotize str

[eager charm]

Heres a rly good starting point
https://overframe.gg/build/441552/hildryn-prime/the-aegis-general-use-steel-path-hildryn/

I strongly recommend switching Blazing Pillage for Augur Reach and subsuming over haven tho

[lavish orbit]

Healthtanking on Nekros ? Seems a bit strange if you need to build up armor through arcanes and mods, you loose so much space

[eager charm]

Raksa Kubrow with protect and mystic/seismic bond are amazing for hildryn bc it makes a few free casts and free efficiency

For subsumes you can pretty much put whatever.... I did level 9999 with her with silence and 160% ish strength, she really doesnt need extra damage lol

I recommend silence, voracious for team energy support, wrathful for movement, or nourish for some aoe cc+team energy

Hildryn is pretty much a God frame tho, does whatever you want with insane efficiency and can flex to whatever you want

[novel bear]

It’s too bad arcane persistence and parasitic shields can’t be used together on hildryn

[eager charm]

She already has arcane aegis and pillage lol, she doesnt need any more survivability

[novel bear]

Yes, but this is a different form of survivability, that’s funnier

[eager charm]

If you want her to be even tankier, use airborne aura, aviator exilus, and adaptation
I've tried that in simulacrum and she can go afk with level 225 heavy gunners shooting her, cant die

[granite ginkgo]

wish there arcane that convert toxic dmg to overguard, but eh i wish

[severe bough]

Shield tanking nah what is that

[eager charm]

Hildryn's passive aoe cc from her 4 reduces damags by a crap ton anyways, nothing without overguard in a 40m radius can act or move

The only problem with Hildryn is that if you play her enough you start wondering what the point is to other frames lol

The only exceptions are like Rhino, Volt, Nova, Kullervo etc

[lavish orbit]

Not getting the need to spam pillage at high level lol

[eager charm]

Hildryn can cast pillage without interrupting aegis gale, it's a non issue

You just hold altfire and tap 2 every few seconds

[lavish orbit]

Yep, that's what I said lul

[severe bough]

Is u put yourself in a room with one small entrance u could pratically only play with your mouse if u rebind everything

[mossy juniper]

can inaros do steel path with elemental sandstorm?

[versed harbor]

ye

[hidden pier]

i run a diriga 90% of the time so corro cold it is

[lunar blade]

If you know the frame, you know Arcane Blessing maxes out in a minute or less and healt conversion is always active, and if you know the mods, you know it reaches 1,212,352 EHP + Arcane Grace, which is enough for the entire Steel Path. Range. Caps reached. It's not losing space, it's optimization.
Obviously, you can also build a Nekros that slows down missions for less loot, has to maintain energy, has to roll constantly, or dies to a toxic fart so no dark sector steel path. But I accept everyone's playstyles.

[lavish orbit]

Damn why that passive agressive answer, ty for the explanation, not how you shared it

[eager charm]

The problem is that Nekros cant rly shield gate bc soul punch is terrible, his 2 makes enemies run away, his 3 is a channel, and 4 takes forever to cast

So making him into a health tank with his passive + despoil + shield of shadows just makes sense

You could run rakta dark dagger or something but his augments are rly useful

[lunar blade]

I'm still learning english and I'm so slow at writing it. I'm sorry for whatever my tone is

[lavish orbit]

Subsume soul punch and use archon shard with casting speed... but I understand that it needs to be farther in the game and it changes how the pure frame works somehow

[hearty scarab]

Easily

[lavish orbit]

Meh, I'm learning english to, that's not an excuse but let it slide this time

[eager charm]

Most ppl subsume petrify augment onto nekros for loot, a damage subsume just isnt ideal when you want to be killing with ripkas anyways, health tanking just makes sense for him

I personally use khora for loot tho

[lavish orbit]

I see, ty

[lunar blade]

Ripkas Amalgam applies to primaries and secondaries, you can just use him as a weapon platformer (with damage buff) but with a 90% + 90% drop chance (54% +54% drop table chance)

[eager charm]

I misspoke
I meant a damaging ability subsume like pyrotechnics or null star to shieldgate with while doing damage

Nekros is best used with weapons to kill, I agree there

[topaz condor]

so for some reason I saw somewhere about Nataruk works well when building Heat Viral?
I thought those thing only benifits well when you reach high stacks and Nataruk aint really good at reaching even 10 stacks of viral

[eager charm]

A single viral status doubles all damage to health, it's still good

Max multishot fires like 2.8 projectiles or something like that so chance to trigger both viral and heat is decent

[topaz condor]

does the viral bonus apply at the first shot

[lunar blade]

"Viral amplifies damage to the health of the afflicted target by 100% for 6 seconds. Subsequent procs add 25% increased damage to health up to 325% in total after 10 stacks"
so the first stack is the biggest stack!
"Heat reduces armor by up to 50% (=more dmg) and deals a tick of damage every second"
and tick damage scales with your weapon damage, so even 1 shot with high dmg can still be good, and the tick is amplified by viral too

[spiral chasm]

u can get viral from your compantion/senti

[lunar blade]

Nope. Unless multishot

[topaz condor]

cuz i thought that something like a bow is better with gas

[spiral chasm]

i think there are bows that specializes on that

gas when grouping does sound gas tho

[slender vine]

Which Oraxia ability should I subsume off? 2 or 3?

[lost hull]

the cc is all around good

[lunar blade]

If you’re killing enemies easily, go Gas for the AoE, a bow could really benefits from some AoE.
Viral/Heat is more damage per single target, if you're struggling to kill them

[median heron]

Probably better to go with paris or dread incarnon

[brittle sleet]

Amalgam Ripkas applies to all damage you provide, including your companion and abilities, but some damage types are inconsistent. Best to just check the wiki page for whatever you're looking to kill with https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Amalgam_Ripkas_True_Steel

[severe bough]

Which bow your using?

[topaz condor]

nataruk

[severe bough]

Then u go pure heat/elc anyways
https://overframe.gg/build/279221/nataruk/nataruk-bones-of-the-sentient-electric-heat-gas-variations-updated-2025/

never tried gas but can probably work too aswell as blast

[analog barn]

Any good Excalibur Umbra builds?

[eager charm]

Same as excal normal, just need to use warrior's rest augment if you're using exalted blade

[analog barn]

Thanks, much appreciated!

[eager charm]

https://overframe.gg/build/390077/excalibur/the-thunderous-blade-excalibur-slash-dash-exalted-blade-influence-nuke-updated-2025/

Heres a good starting point to customize
Imo you kinda want both warriors rest and primed sure footed, but you can feel it out for yourself

Here is a more active variant, better stats but if you dont press 1 within 1.33s of your shields breaking, you may die

What a state for excal to be in lol, 100% in every stat except for 115% strength 🥹

Happens when ur the squishiest melee frame

[severe bough]

Im really wondering if persistence will change smth about health tanking or not
Primary bulkwark looks more niche
And circumvent looks niche aswell but i assume it does steel overguard

iirc we get 4 frames 3 primarys 1 secondary 1 melee

[near vortex]

I have the secondary and melee here

These came from Kengineer' overview of Descendia

[fervent rapids]

Frost melee build real

[near vortex]

Nah, Limbo

New Limbo arcane that isn't just Influence

[eager charm]

Persistence will make health tanking extremely good, the problem before was that frames that weren't nidus or valkyr could just explode from a slash proc, but now they can actually moderate the damage they take

Its like shield gating but for health lol

[severe bough]

They probably try so that health tanking gets the same chances at lvl cap as gating does i think that was the Intention of persistence. So its also a option to go health tanking now but mabye it will not work how we think

Me its coded differntly

[eager charm]

Yeah, it's very promising for frames that weren't able to shieldgate in endurance

Idk if its gonna fix excal's survivability since his armor/health stats arent great and shield gating is easy with his 1

[severe bough]

Ngl the left looks kinda ew and the right is probably niche

[severe bough]

I mean literally every frame can gate execpt inaros and nidus

even they can

[eager charm]

Oh, I meant where like, their playstyle wasnt conducive to shield gating, like mesa for example

[severe bough]

But it def sounds nice tho so health tanking isnt behind shield gating and can also be used in higher lvl cap

[eager charm]

Mesa cant rly gate unless she uses a spammable 1 subsume outside of her 4, or keeps ballistic battery

[severe bough]

Just use passiv gating fr fr

[eager charm]

Or you could use the new arcane, that's my point, it's just more options

[severe bough]

Sure if the did it good can also be bad but it does look very interesting in the First Place the other ones look kinda meh

[eager charm]

Any frame that can get more than 500 hp and has a way to heal more than 500 hp per second is now just as viable as fast deflection + vigi vigor + arcane aegis tanks

Or brief respite + catalyzing shield tanks, etc etc

Imo I wish we had ways to cc overguarded units instead of this but Dante update kinda killed that lol...

[severe bough]

Your rephrasing the arcane now or?

Anyways My thoughts are Either they did so u can take 500 dmg from every incoming hit u take which would be busted or the arcane only blocks 500 dmg

[eager charm]

Pablo clarified on Twitter, its 500 damage per second max

[kind void]

You can only take 500 damage per second

As such any frame that can hit 10k health can become fully immune to dmg with this and grace

Alternatively you can use energy tanking with this and some basic regen to multiply regen effects

[eager charm]

https://x.com/PabloMakes/status/1998156671957524589

Pablo (@PabloMakes)

A few more of the Arcanes releasing soon!

Numbers subject to change.

X · Dec 8, 2025, 10:24 PM

First reply is him clarifying that its per second

[kind void]

So even basic regen on most frames will be enough to make you immune to damage

[eager charm]

Ohhh yeah I never thought abt quick thinking, huh....

[kind void]

Yup. That with hunter adren and rage

At that point you only really need like 150hp a second which is like what 3k health?

[eager charm]

I wonder if persistence would limit you to only 500 damage per second with hunter adrenaline and rage tho

Or if it keeps counting after

[kind void]

Combine it with cat shields and some regen to double the I frames

[kind void]

That 500 damage will be like 450 energy

Which is 1500 health of damage

Add in grace and suddenly nothing can hurt you.

I don’t even think you need that much energy

This one arcane has ripped open the meta for survival

[severe bough]

True probably does change a lot

[kind void]

It means armor and damage reduction no longer matters

[severe bough]

On most frames

[eager charm]

I see, 85% of damage on health becomes energy with both mods
Quick thinking will drain.... 208 energy per 500 dmg taken?

So its infinite feedback loop

[kind void]

With QT and the glad mod it’s 300% conversion

So 500 dmg is like 125 energy damage taken

166 energy

[severe bough]

But whats gonna happend with gating shield gating i will miss it

[fervent rapids]

I won't

[kind void]

So long as you regen 185 health a second you can’t die

[kind void]

Add it in. You need even less regen

With shield gate and cat shields you can cut it in half so like 92 health persons

[eager charm]

You should only need QT, hunter adren, and arcane persistence then right?
You get hit for 500 damage, which becomes 208 energy loss from QT
You generate 225 energy from hunter adrena

Is that right?

[severe bough]

So basically standard gating setup and using persis

[kind void]

Yup.

Long as you have regen and over 500 health you only need 90 regen a second

Assuming energy tanking

You don’t even need the health

[eager charm]

You dont need over 500 hp with QT tho, it converts fatal damage

[kind void]

Yup

[eager charm]

Yeah

That's kinda cool

2 mods and 1 arcane for perma invuln

[kind void]

Which means pretty much any frame can reach a pseudo immortal state

[kind void]

Not quite. Still need the regen but even so

[kind void]

4 mods really. But yah

[eager charm]

Why would you need regen? You can survive at 1 hp and hunter adren fills more energy than you lose from QT right?

[kind void]

If you don’t have enough energy for the 500 point hit you still die.

[eager charm]

QT is 0.41x dmg to energy
Hunter adren is 0.45x dmg to energy

Net positive

[kind void]

And you have to take health damage to regen energy

When it’s at 1 you stop taking health damage

[eager charm]

What frame doesnt have 225 energy max lol??

[kind void]

So you don’t regen energy

[eager charm]

I guess base rhino

But I dont think anyone builds for less than 225 energy max these days

[kind void]

When your health hits 1 you stop taking any health damage. So you no longer regen energy when taking energy

[eager charm]

300 is bare minimum imo

[eager charm]

I think we need to test that for sure

[kind void]

It’s already confirmed. It was a bug and they patched it

Just using those 4 mods gave people something like 99.999% dmg reduction

So they fixed the loop

So you still need regen

[eager charm]

I mean, the weakness to hunter adrena+QT before was that dmg could outstrip ur energy pool, but persistence fixes that

You're saying that even at 1hp, you'll still die with QT and energy?

[kind void]

I’m saying when you are at 1 health you no longer regenerate energy

As such hunter adrenaline and rage do nothing when you take damage

[buoyant patio]

The problem is that they patched out the bug that made health damage to energy conversion trigger while at the Quick Thinking treshold.

[kind void]

Exactly

So you still need regen

[severe bough]

U mind to do a full explaintion for it ? Need to read it one full text cuz seems pretty busted.
Actually hyped for the update tbf only real arcane that sounds pretty good dont have any useable ideas for the others

[eager charm]

Huh, okay

So you'd need how much hp regen to solve that? Divide 500 by the difference between QT drain and energy conversion?

500 dmg is 225 energy cost from QT
To regenerate 225 energy, you'd need at least 191hp, assuming hunter adren plus rage

I see what you were saying earlier now lol....

[kind void]

Ok so here’s the break down. Long as you are able to regen 90 health a second here’s how the math goes. That 95 health becomes 190 because of the 1 second from arcane persistence and from the 1.33s from shield catalyzer. That 190 health is taken as damage reducing you to 1 health. That 189dmg taken regens about 160energy. With both energy gate mods you have a 300% energy health conversion. So that 160 energy is equal to 480 damage. So while it’s not absolutely perfect with some small refining

So probably closer to 95 to 100 regen a second

You could also throw in passive energy regen to make up that difference

[eager charm]

How are you going to use catalyzing shields with arcane persistence? It deletes ur shields

[eager charm]

Still, ur point about QT + hunter adren + rage is rly important, helps reduce HP/s requirement

Watch arcane persistence end up being 500 dmg pre-mitigation LOL

How stupid would that be

[fathom sky]

It's not, Pablo confirmed that

[eager charm]

Good

Everyone would be revenant

[median heron]

Thats just too many mods invested to be worth it

[mossy juniper]

looking for

• Cedo prime
• Oraxia
• Dual Coda Torxica
• Glaive prime

BUILDS please and thank you

[median heron]

Keep in mind you also need 700 armor

5 mods for survivability and an arcane slot is trash

[fathom sky]

No OG means any of the WF's I would've wanted to use it on (Rhino, Dante, Frost) are already out.

[fervent rapids]

yeah this is specifically a health-tanking Arcane for the frames who were designed to have tanky health, but couldn't really have that just cause of how the game scales

[eager charm]

What balance LOLLLLL

[median heron]

It would have been too op to allow on OG

[eager charm]

Rhino would take a jade light bath and be immortal for a full minute LOL

[fathom sky]

He's already immortal for a full minute without that, he's never dying after a Jade Eximus hits him with that

[eager charm]

Yeah but I mean like, levelcap tier damage

When I did my rhino levelcap I was getting 35mil ish

[lost hull]

i think ill be testing hunters adrenaline and quick thinking with persistence. might be able to lower the health regen threshold by a lot as long as i dont zero the energy bar

[eager charm]

That's like.... almost 20 hours of immortality if persistence applied to overguard

[hearty scarab]

It’s over bro

[severe bough]

[austere oar]

@fathom token brother, I want to build a battering ram railjack what is your suggestion

[quiet laurel]

and even those two can shield gate

[severe bough]

Ik

[severe bough]

So in short it will not compelety turn on survival meta probably a niche arcane that will be as u said be desgin for those frames that should technically be tanky

[eager charm]

So if we need 246 hp/s with persistence, QT, hunter adren, rage... what frames can even do that? That requires like 4100 hp with grace, are there any other steady healing sources that don't require an hp max?

[sudden walrus]

found something?

[kind void]

Oh that’s not the one I saw. I saw remove all shields over 700. Weird

[fathom sky]

I very much believe you just misread the Arcane

[kind void]

I did XD so you can’t use shields with it

[fathom sky]

You remove all shields, and if you have armor above 700, can't take more than 500 dps

[kind void]

Ok so my original calc is just around 200hp a second then

Which requires just about 3k health

Give or take a bit

3400 my bad

That’s assuming just arcane grace

Fun fact you can reach that with the metastasis helminth

200 health a second can be reached at 100% duration and 400% strength.

This gives you a full 10 seconds of immunity to all damage

[eager charm]

I think its 165 hp/s for persistence + QT + hunter adrena + rage

500 - x = x * 2.4 * 0.85
x = 164.5

Umless I'm doing that wrong?

[severe bough]

From all arcanes we saw its sounds def good but it depends how much slots we actually need to use to make it really viable

[coral crest]

New arcanes

Irradiate is bonkers

5m ocucor blasts

[severe bough]

Fr

[eager charm]

You heal 165
You get hit for 500
335 of that is lethal
335 lethal damage = 140 energy damage
140 energy generation needs 165 hp

[coral crest]

Imo Persistence is really overhyped

It'll take about the same amount of investment as shield gating on a normal frame

And won't matter whatsoever in non endurance content

[severe bough]

It supposed to be a health taking augment making use of it on normal frames takes probably more slots

[coral crest]

Yeah exactly

[eager charm]

For some frames, shield gating is a very annoying playstyle(mesa, nekros) and passive gating is more expensive and can still fail

[severe bough]

Cuz u NEED 700 armor to even make use of that

[coral crest]

Yeah thsts why this arcane is here

[severe bough]

Some frames will def benefit from it

[coral crest]

Some frames are clearly designed around health tanking

[severe bough]

But it will not change meta drastically

[coral crest]

And this arcane enables them for endurance

Literally that's all that it does

It's useless in non endurance

[severe bough]

We basically got a second way for frames that are supposed to be health tanky to actually be able to use them in cap

[eager charm]

Still gonna be useful in ETA/EDA

[coral crest]

Yeah, and actually using their health this time

[eager charm]

Not getting one shot by slash proc will be very nice

[coral crest]

Instead of other ways like OG stacking and Escapist

[severe bough]

So the kinda tried what i already said to implement health tanking more into higher lvls

[coral crest]

It means there's actually frames that can be good to go with triumbral at lvl cap

And for casual content it basically means nothing

Outside of not having an aneurysm from eta toxin procs

[coral crest]

Yeah, basically giving everyone who can take it a health gate

You can totally make many frames run it but it's gonna be unreasonable on most

Nekros, Lavos, whoever else

Health tanks eating good and it's the food they can actually digest

For once

Also this arcane is god tier useless piece of shit on Hildryn

Can't wait to try it out

[severe bough]

Exactly, but the only question im asking myself is the arcane the only thing we need on top a classic health tanking setup and thats basically it?

[severe bough]

[coral crest]

Triumbral for those who can afford it and a way to heal consistently

Seems fair to me

For more scuffed builds it'll be health conversion

[novel bear]

It would actually be fun if she could use parasitic shields with it

[severe bough]

I mean lets take nekros as example slap on adapt shield of shadows do even need any health mod?

I swear i didnt even health tanked in years

[coral crest]

See

Time to experiment

[median heron]

Nekros needs armor

For the arcane to work i mean

[severe bough]

Doesnt have 700 armor

Probably right

[coral crest]

Nekros can easily sustain health conversion to be fair

[severe bough]

U got a example of using the arcane of a frame that would be perfect for it ?

Inaros nidus?

[novel bear]

Nekros drops a lot of health orbs

[coral crest]

Lavos

Man has no way to shield gate outside of passive, he has no innate dr or any sort of survivability scaling

All he has is armor, hp and a dream

[severe bough]

Just lazy gate and jump around

[novel bear]

Might be good for oraxia

[coral crest]

Well now we won't need lazy gate

He can actually make use of his bite as well

Since it's a full heal most of the time(if you use it well)

[novel bear]

Less investment than lazy gate

[median heron]

Grendel?

[kind void]

You for got the gladiator mod. Gives an extra 40% to get you to 300% conversion

[coral crest]

Yeah a lot less investment than lazy gate

[severe bough]

We need to form a build before update drops

[coral crest]

Grendel, Nekros and Lavos seem like the best examples of frames that can benefit from this

They have all the health sustain in the world but no ways to scale it

[eager charm]

Huge waste tbh...

[coral crest]

Someone like Inaros and Nidus just become immortal

[kind void]

You say that but it means every health tank frame is now more tanky then shield gate frames

[coral crest]

And that's already their thing outside of endurance

[eager charm]

Only changes the healing requirement from 165 to 141

[kind void]

Even basic regen will be mostly enough to pull it off

[eager charm]

That's pathetic for one mod slot

[kind void]

True but it makes it that much easier to hit that level of passive regen

[coral crest]

People talk about this arcane like they have legitemately never tried health tanking in content outside of endurance runs

[kind void]

Honestly this just makes health tanks stronger then shield gate frames

[coral crest]

It has always been the case. At non endurance levels health tanks are unkillable

Now it will stay consistent

[kind void]

It also means nidus and inaros are the tankiest frames in the game again

[coral crest]

As they should be

Duh

[kind void]

All frames are immortal outside of endurance. It doesn’t take much

[novel bear]

Qorvex might like it if you don’t want to use fused crucible
Valkyr can fit it pretty easily

[eager charm]

Yeah but still... 165 hp/s isnt that easy, with arcane grace you'd need at least 2750 hp

That's a lot

Inaros nidus sure but other frames?

[coral crest]

I'm talking about stuff like EDA/ETA

[kind void]

I guess that’s fair. But even then basic builds are able o face level 500 pretty easily

[severe bough]

I mean valkyr already immortal u probably dont even need that unless your really struggeling

[kind void]

At least from what I have seen

[kind void]

Not anymore she isn’t

They changed that. She’s hard to kill but not immortal

[novel bear]

I will health tank with valkyr and no one can stop me

[coral crest]

This arcane just brings health tanks to what they're supposed to be by design at any level, harder to take down than your generic shield goon

[novel bear]

Her passive makes her essentially immortal

[coral crest]

It's gonna replace the best way to survive in a bunch of frames that were already designed with health tanking in mind

[kind void]

Ok sure but it requires you to always be fighting. It’s conditional. Not permanent

[coral crest]

But you aren't health tanking with nokko

[kind void]

Being unable to die and being immortal to me are slightly different

[novel bear]

At high levels you’re already constantly fighting

[fathom sky]

Which you should always be doing?

[novel bear]

If you’re not killing in cascade you lose

[kind void]

I have had problems with killing everything around me to fast