builds-discussion

[gaunt gust]

gang you need so much standing

[blissful atlas]

Just for my amp to do decent damage💔💔💔

[gaunt gust]

what do you want quills for, the operator thing tier 4?

[blissful atlas]

547 amp

[azure tinsel]

In that current rut, conservation every day

[gaunt gust]

100k standing off the bat

[blissful atlas]

Cause my operator damage just tickles the void ghosts

[blissful atlas]

Guh damn💔

[gaunt gust]

i'm running 547 amp rn, took me a month

[blissful atlas]

...

[gaunt gust]

7 is Venus

[blissful atlas]

What is a faster alternative. Preferably one i can get earlier too.

[gaunt gust]

pre-last rank with Duck

[blissful atlas]

CAUSE WYM I WILL NEED TO GRIND FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH FOR THE AMP?

[gaunt gust]

that's 2 more syndicates

[gaunt gust]

244 or something probably

quills only

[blissful atlas]

And i still need to get lvl 4 with them or is it lower?

[gaunt gust]

ye lvl4 for the 4th lvl amp parts

[blissful atlas]

Well, atleast less standing grinding

[gaunt gust]

each syndicate takes about 2 weeks to max out, you can fit it in just 2 weeks if you do them concurrently

but that still leaves out the problem of farming the standing for the parts themselves

and since you dump all of the standing to level up, you're looking at another week of back breaking labour

[buoyant plume]

should I just leave it at this or try and get a better one

[gaunt gust]

this is straight garbage, my brother, on top of the fact that this gun has 1/5 disposition.

[buoyant plume]

alright

I know that I should go for stuff with -crit but that's about it

[sinful bone]

yeahhh unfortunately low dispo rivens just aren't worth it

wait that's a -crit phenmor

[sinful bone]

hold onto that

the -crit is actually good for phenmor

[buoyant plume]

alright

[gaunt gust]

nah, how much cc does phenmor have?

[buoyant plume]

10 I think

if you take the evo that reduces crit

[gaunt gust]

literally slap primary cryo rounds

[sinful bone]

I'd say, whatever mitigates your cc on phenmor isn't bad

[gaunt gust]

10% is low enough

[midnight horizon]

Created the most COMFY nataruk build ever. Perfect for steel path, solo

[gaunt gust]

the difference is probably like ~2% more shots would be the 2000% dmg

[sinful bone]

it's a shame that there's no -crit normal mods

[gaunt gust]

would be pretty bangers if DE added a corrupted mod with -crit

[sinful bone]

-50% crit and like 150% status chance

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[gaunt gust]

you're not thinking like DE, it would be more like -50% cc and 150% status damage while holding your kavat on one leg and emoting

18 mod capacity maxed out

[sinful bone]

you also need to hit the hokey pokey irl

[gaunt gust]

...i hope DE doesn't read this chat

[velvet pulsar]

They do.

[frigid crater]

Building citrine feels like

[bold cloud]

What’s a god role torid riven?

[frigid crater]

Why the hell is every stat good for her

[velvet pulsar]

Duration is alright to be left as base value
U can't go wrong with higher strength
Efficiency is also a joke.
What's left is range, which honestly is also flexible.

[frigid crater]

I mean

Recasting bad...

And archon continuity good...

[velvet pulsar]

Multishot is a priority

[velvet pulsar]

U sure?
Depends on the build. U health tanking?

[frigid crater]

Yep

Arcane guadian, that health mode = armor n everything

Im just way too lazy to recast my abilities

[velvet pulsar]

4th ability is refreshable by the augment iirc.
Unless u have subsumed over it.

1st doesn't need high duration

[frigid crater]

I actually use the augment because i love 300% free CC

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah so duration can be 2nd priority
Range is 3rd priority

[frigid crater]

I just wanna use the duration for more 90% DR & maaaaaybe fit the pet mod

[velvet pulsar]

U using any subsume?

[frigid crater]

Because then my crystal will let me actually walk around the map

[frigid crater]

I dont see anything fitting for her as a subsume tbh

Unless i wanna do a pet dps build, her kit has an incredible synergy

[deep grotto]

ahemhem

[frigid crater]

Duration

Thats gonna be your best friend

[deep grotto]

Noted

[velvet pulsar]

Well there's some options but I'm asking rather than suggesting

Also BTW Prismatic Companion works on Moa as well

[deep grotto]

Anything else or just the basic things?

[velvet pulsar]

Weapon platform? Ability nuke? Hybrid?

[deep grotto]

Uhhh
Not really sure!
The main reason I’m using him is because i learned about his Archgun synergy

But I don’t really need to build for that, do i?

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/MtRE1FuurZU?si=LBHMxzK6zgezbH4X

Basically the only way u can enjoy both tazicor/verglas and Prismatic Companion together

[velvet pulsar]

Weapon platform then

[deep grotto]

Yeah let’s go with that

[velvet pulsar]

Though if archgun is ur only reason, I hope you're aware about Sahasa Kubrow's existence

[deep grotto]

I forgot about dawg
What it do again

[velvet pulsar]

Dig dog:
https://youtu.be/B-XeeJ05ijY?si=cyMuZY6TrexG1DNk

[deep grotto]

I mean i’m willing to use other guns
Infinite archgun just sounds funny

[velvet pulsar]

Neither lavos nor protea (dispensary) can summon heavy ammo pickups

They only summon universal ammo

[deep grotto]

Uh huh

Iirc that still works on archguns, yes?

[velvet pulsar]

Sahasa digs heavy ammo

What's the advantage? 1000 ammo recharge vs tiny ammo recharge

[velvet pulsar]

Yes, however heavy ammo pack gets 2 advantages

[velvet pulsar]

One is this

[deep grotto]

More ammo per ammo?

[velvet pulsar]

Yes more ammo per pack, but another advantage is...

It resets archgun deployer cooldown!

[deep grotto]

Ooh

[velvet pulsar]

So if u have one laying around the battlefield, and u accidentally unholstered archgun by either interacting with an object or a manual pickup, just picking up one heavy ammo pack instantly resets the cooldown for u to redeploy it immediately

Ofcourse these 2 advantages are manageable to compete with lavos and protea if played with some constraints in mind with their case

Back to lavos topic

Valence Formation is mandatory.

There's also so much partiality with several buffs not affecting archguns, like cyte's resupply and Oraxia's 4.

But atleast lavos bonus works

Build for duration, no need range. Strength is also not really required. Rather build for passive shield gate

Can use a subsume on an element u don't require

[deep grotto]

I see
Well
I can at least use the weap platform build for the rest of my guns regardless
Ability nuking sounds fun but simultaneously incredibly boring

[velvet pulsar]

People are way ahead with gas lavos ability nuking right now.

Gas was bugged from the beginning, so this synergy was undercooked from the start.

But the day gas gets fixed, everyone will find out the true power of Gas Catalyze.

Ability nuking lavos uses 2-3 augments anyway

[deep grotto]

I guess I’ll rebuild him when that happens

[frigid ibex]

What stat(s) would protea prime thrive at receiving buffs in? Strength? Range? Effeciency? I can’t seem to find a non hemlith protea prime vid

[old marsh]

duration

LOTS of duration

[frigid ibex]

hmm okay and which one of her personal mods should i buy? all 4 or?

[old marsh]

her best build is non helminth btw

[frigid ibex]

really?? i’m seeing a lot of rhino roar builds with her

[old marsh]

one sec. lemme login

[frigid ibex]

thanks!🫡

[old marsh]

she is one of the few frames with a full kit.

[frigid ibex]

let me share what i’m cooking on my protea build gimmie a sec

[old marsh]

exilus is flex slot. i havent had the need to but u can put in cunning drift

[frigid ibex]

my current build idea for her

[undone dust]

honestly you don't really need dispensary

[old marsh]

u wanna buy both temporal art and erosion. i dont like erosion personally

[frigid ibex]

okay thanks!

[old marsh]

i like it in her kit.

[mighty flare]

dont use augurs on protea

[undone dust]

yeah well saying she has a full kit when it doesnt do that much for her other than maybe helping with energy here and there is kind of bleh

[old marsh]

breaks her shield gating duration?

[mighty flare]

big gate --> tiny gate

[old marsh]

hmm. then i guess i will just use the other dur mod.

[mighty flare]

the duration you have from primed continuity & molt efficiency is enough

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[undone dust]

would that also be the case for brief

[old marsh]

good catch

[old marsh]

just googled it. and it breakes even if a teammate uses it lol

[mighty flare]

drop redirection, augur reach, carnis
use equilibrium, temporal erosion, stretch/constitution
strength isn't necessary to max out, arcanes can be molt efficiency or arcane steadfast / diriga with mystic bond

[mighty flare]

yes

[coral crest]

Brief works on everyone in the party and that's something not many people remember

[old marsh]

basically. dont play protea or pray no one in squad uses brief respite

[coral crest]

It's not THAT bad

I played protea up to a cap and had someone with briefspite

[undone dust]

at least you have an omnia in her so you can swap the zen polarity with it

[coral crest]

It's less "free", but that's about it

[old marsh]

i took her to level cap with the build i shared above but i do acknowledge that augur mod was probably breaking my shield gate

[old marsh]

ye. will have to use another for exilus

but overall. good stuff. makes my build better

[valid cargo]

Does anyone have a strong bassocyst coda build?

[topaz vale]

yea make the valence bbonus to 60 thats what i am doing and that you have great damage

[rancid mirage]

would be replacing barrage with magnetic strafe be worse or better?

I dont have it but I am planning to grab one when its high % so I cant test it

[fallen ermine]

U need the rate, also if need magnetic priming just alt fire

[rancid mirage]

ok

[shut sapphire]

You can judge me harshly i what to learn im a volt main trying my best 2 reds for duration 2 blues for armor and a tau yellow energy on spawn

[bitter drum]

what are the best shotguns? i remember during plague star event, people were using shotguns cause they were one of most effective against the boss, but i don’t have any

[blissful knoll]

Adaptation doesn't work with overguard

What's the goal of your build here? Minimum setup iron skin for fast sp missions?

Or are you ironskin maxing?

[shut sapphire]

I'm just trying to make a general bit that can do a bit of everything to be honest

[blissful knoll]

If you want a general build, nourish or helminthless is probably more comfortable imo

Nourish has an easy time spamming abilities and helminthless is fast with bullet jump charge momentum carryover

[shut sapphire]

I thought Eating the shields was the best move

[blissful knoll]

Bullet jump+ double tap charge causes you to zoom a very long distance

[blissful knoll]

Well the idea is ironskin stacking with armor kinda just stops scaling as fast as enemies can scale their damage

It's often more reliable to stack iron skin by absorbing enemy damage instead

[shut sapphire]

So I f***** u* putting 2 umba mod?

[blissful knoll]

Well, 1 is probably fine

2 is a bit overkill

Also if you want to stack high armor so you can iron skin once at the beginning and forget, you can do so much better than umbral fiber

One sec lemme put smth together

[shut sapphire]

I was also running high armor for the battery arcane.

[blissful knoll]

Dw you can do much better trust

I assume you're using slam melee cos ready steel?

[shut sapphire]

glaive prime with melee fortification

[blissful knoll]

Oh ok

[blissful knoll]

How much energy do you have at mission start with your current build?

Not in game rn so i can't check myself

[shut sapphire]

263

[blissful knoll]

263 max?

[shut sapphire]

440 max on spawning in 263 as in at my disposal.

[blissful knoll]

Ok

[shut sapphire]

When all conditionals are met, I get an extra 1000 plus energy in my bank.

I'm way better at building vlot than any other warframe tbh

[blissful knoll]

https://overframe.gg/build/924401/ something like this should be really comfy for normal base sp use

When you start a mission, just pop parasitic armor, pop an archgun to trigger ultimatum, click iron skin and forget

[shut sapphire]

No offense but why does it always go back to overframe

[jovial flax]

if im exclusively using noctua for wordwarden (i subsumed over his 1) would you guys slot pistol acuity into it?

[mighty flare]

no

[blissful knoll]

Wdym? It's just a site that's useful for making builds to share

So i use it to quickly throw a build when I'm not ingame

[shut sapphire]

This is from d2 I don't trust builds unless I know exactly why I'm doing this thing. No offense.

[blissful knoll]

There are good builds and bad builds in overframe, it's just a platform

I made that build just now for what you wanted to do

You don't need to use it if you don't trust it

No offense taken

[shut sapphire]

Sorry if that sounds rude I was not trying to be that way

[blissful knoll]

Dw no offense taken

Basically using overframe is useful cos it's just the cleanest website for sharing builds

[shut sapphire]

This one of volt builds it 5 tau reds 4 for strength 1 for duration.

The covered mod is overextended

[rare stag]

whats the best for incarnon? strun prime or wraith?

[gray quarry]

Prime

[blissful knoll]

The idea is if you proc everything in the build i showed, you'll have around 56k overguard at mission start which is far more than enough for base sp stuff with reinforced stomp

And it has minimal setup

[shut sapphire]

Correct me if wrong, but most wraths have more status chance.

[gray quarry]

Prime is just better in general for most incarnons

There’s 1 that pretty much requires the base instead

Iirc primes get higher stats in general from incarnons

[blissful knoll]

Generally wraiths get more stats but end up with lower total anyway

[shut sapphire]

No I'm talking about without incarnon.

[blissful knoll]

The only exception i can remember off the top of my head is regular vasto being better than prime for incarnon

[buoyant patio]

Vasto and Magistar.

[blissful knoll]

Oh yea magistar > sancti

[gray quarry]

Ah, ehh I think prime just has higher stats

[buoyant patio]

Pretty sure those are the only two cases where the base variants are slightly better in terms of Incarnon stat buffs.

[blissful knoll]

So slightly that it didn't even matter in the grand scheme of things

[rare stag]

which one?

[blissful knoll]

[gray quarry]

Vasto cause one of the incarnon evos just straight up doesn’t work and the other is mid

[rare stag]

ive seen a guy using a mk1 weapon with prime

[blissful knoll]

That's an old tech for abusing riven dispo and higher incarnon boost

Used to do it when you could still statstick pseudo exalts

Mk1 bo incarnon with god riven

For statsticking khora

Rip my statstick riven

[grave cloak]

Nothing of value was lost tbh when pseudo exalteds became true exalteds

[sinful bone]

I don't get it, why do people say multishot over acuity on stahlta

with acuity you don't have to build up momentum at all but with multishot, that momentum feels like it takes ages

[blissful knoll]

Accuracy in my horde shooter game? Unacceptable

But fr tho, problem is acuity is often more annoying to use than passively stacking multishot

Also doesn't stalhta have no headshot multi with the alt fire?

[coral crest]

Yeah, difference is needing to be accurate vs having a stackable bonus that works with spray and pray

[sinful bone]

I guess so, just seems like building up the damage with my multishot build seems like it takes a while

I'll show yall what im running, maybe I'm having a modding skill issue or something idk

[blissful knoll]

Realistically in a base steelpath mission you'll take like, idk 15 seconds at most to fully stack it?

[sinful bone]

I mean yeah

maybe my brain is going a thousand miles an hour and it feels like it's taking longer than it really is

idk

I don't have viral on due to my frame already having Nourish on

so I was able to save two slots that way

also my pet stacks viral

[drifting imp]

Does negative mag capacity have an affect on companion weapons

[lapis matrix]

Could I get a opinion on a Thalys Riven it has
86.6% Melee Damage
48.9% Critical Damage
56.6% status duration
-77.7% critical chance

[dry mason]

how do i increase kuva zarr ammo capacity?

[mighty flare]

-cc% is bad

[lapis matrix]

Alright, any advice on what I should look for specifically for the Thalys?

[mighty flare]

idk rivens, usual electric/cd/as/range

[lapis matrix]

Alright well still thank you

I appreciate the feedback

[blissful knoll]

General rule is, look at a good build, then pick 1-2 stats you want to get more of + 1 stat you choose as where you'd slot the riven

[lapis matrix]

Alright thanks!

[grave cloak]

there's only one mod that increases your ammo capacity and that's ammo drum iirc

the unironic answer will be to just use latron/miter incarnon anyway

[weary yacht]

I have a tauforged of each of the primary colour shards and a normal blue, what options should I pick for each on my chroma? (Immortal Slumbering Dragon gloom build by ninjase)

[soft pendant]

what shard should i put on temple?

[mighty flare]

save what you have rn, if you really wanna use something then a yellow for casting speed
you don't have good shards and temple doesn't rely on them much

[soft pendant]

okay

thanks

so the tauforged blue for energy won't be good for them?

[grave cloak]

it's not "won't be good" it's more so pointless

[soft pendant]

ahh

[pastel igloo]

if i was to prime nezha spears with heat and expedite would hot shot stack?

and if it did, would it stack for each enemy, or only once

[pastel igloo]

(using a weapon)

nevermind

[weary yacht]

?

[scarlet bramble]

which one would you choose?

i would say left, but still wanna hear some opinion

[radiant gust]

Does the boar have impact?

Go left yeah but I’d reroll again

[scarlet bramble]

thanks

[grave cloak]

if those are the only shards you have I'll just invest a single red shard and save for now

[weary yacht]

what should I pick for the red? duration or strength?

[grave cloak]

both are fine, pick what you fancy

[astral tinsel]

I would've gone with right

the incarnon is pure heat with decent status, ideal for a burn build

[heady notch]

any gamblers in chat

RAIN BET

[severe bough]

So i dont have any idea what to build on ceramic dagger heavy spam dought might probably be the best option but i dont have any other ideas?
( open last slot for whatever dont really know what )

[heady notch]

💔

[grave cloak]

That's a very nice riven specifically for anti corpus actually

[grave cloak]

Not at my pc right now but you can put some range probs

[severe bough]

Does range effect the projectiles?

Also ive heared about CO being better instead of ppp since there smth with the projectiles

[grave cloak]

Don't think so, haven't used c.dagger for some time so will need to check later

[heady notch]

im gonna throw up

im getting edged

[severe bough]

Would be great u got any idea what arcane slot can be

[simple pawn]

what is a good build i can get on chroma and his weapons for PT?

[severe bough]

Skibdi edger

[severe bough]

From the offical pt dc

[simple pawn]

i dont have sicarus

[grave cloak]

I think I ran melee doughty as my standard setup for specifically killing acolytes in 1 hit

[severe bough]

Diplos can also be used by u def recommend sicarus

[simple pawn]

i need the incarnon for it no ?

[grave cloak]

Diplos has no incarnon

[severe bough]

Any different options for doughty ?

[simple pawn]

yeah i know

[severe bough]

Sicarus yes

U play incarnonoff but u still want the perks

[simple pawn]

cant get it this week then maybe not next week , i have tenet detron tho

[severe bough]

That also was a good option before incarnons were a thing if u got a high chroma buff it should probably still work

Not as good as the others obvsi

[simple pawn]

so i just go full abitly power?

[grave cloak]

Don't think so unfortunately, feels like doughty and c.dagger are a match made in heaven lol
Unless you want to run crescendo shenanigans with vazarin ragdolling enemies for easy finishers to stack crescendo ig

[simple pawn]

also norish swap for what ?

[severe bough]

Thats also what i thought since exposure sucks ass on it tbf and the other idk probably just get doughty

Also because of the int heat we have in incarnon in alwalys combines which is kinda meh

[severe bough]

Shocking touch

[simple pawn]

what ability is that ?

im confused

[severe bough]

I suggest u go onto the discord but some things to note are avenger is flex for nulifier if your fast you dont lose on energy and u need a crewmate for the last element with opticore so u covered all elements

[severe bough]

Sorry shock from volt

With shock tropper augment

[simple pawn]

i just asked where to use the nourish instead of what ability mate

i infuse it instead of elemental ward?

[severe bough]

His 1

[simple pawn]

ok thanks

[severe bough]

For ward u wanna use toxin

[severe bough]

Imo got doughty for 15 plat on market

Hopefully that makes that stick better

[simple pawn]

bro its too much setup , ima just do 1999 its better

[severe bough]

Its really worth takes a bit time but when u got it it not only fun you also make a ton of credits if u do it right

[lavish orbit]

You can also go nobrainer in full strength but you'll not feel satisfied the same way

[severe bough]

So came up with that now ngl its really good ( ofc with priming due to CO )

[frigid crater]

The tenora really isnt good is it?

[severe bough]

It probably isnt good unless it has any kind of incarnon that makes it get superpowers

[coral crest]

Tenora has an alt fire so

[severe bough]

Makes it good?

[coral crest]

Not really, the effect it has with octavia makes it a lot better though

[severe bough]

Interesting

[coral crest]

Auto spool rifle with good innate multishot

alt fire is an ammo dump

[severe bough]

Just cyte fr

[coral crest]

If you put it on Octavia then getting headshot kills with it gives you a chance for an ammo refill

[coral crest]

Cytw can do whatever the hell he wants when buffing weapons, probably shouldn't be that big of note

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-cat-gif-555799605331270828

[severe bough]

Sounds like a funny interaction

[green forge]

In my Archgun I have a cascadia flare set in and my secondary gun, the vesper 77 with heat using deadhead, can take advantage of cascadia flare this way. But for some reason It doesnt work the same way with primary crux set in my archgun. why is this happening?

[grave cloak]

looks okay-ish(maybe add tennokai if you have the exilus and the forma to do so), tested it out yet?

[severe bough]

Really need tennokai for heavy spam? I did only in simu it works very good only thing thats a bit clunky is the waiting times between heavys since 7x combo is Standard but reflex pushes it to 11x takes a bit long

[severe bough]

Also preach does not affect projectiles of cdagger which i thought

[severe bough]

Casc flare can be trigger through multiple things frame weapons etc
But crux as i know can only be triggered by the weapon itself

[grave cloak]

probably don't need tennokai tbh but the opportunity to perform free heavy attacks is always nice imo

[severe bough]

I might still equip it mabye tho it takes 4 hits to get a free heavy

[coral crest]

Wouldn't heavy spam builds just use initial combo

You wouldn't need tennokai if you just have a strong combo modifier baseline

Then some other exilus mod.

[grave cloak]

you'll still need some time to build back up the initial combo unless you have 90% heavy attack efficiency

[severe bough]

The problem about cdagger is u get a 11x combo and without 90% hae it takes time to get there EVEN if u already have a total of 7x After the 100 kills

[grave cloak]

yeah which is why tennokai still comes in clutch

[severe bough]

I mean mabye switching out bane for focus whatever makes it a bit more smooth but thats probably not worth it

[coral crest]

That's absolutely fair

[grave cloak]

though it probably won't make or break your build still

[severe bough]

Exactly

Need to def test it out on acoltyes

Is zenistar Special in any way?

I mean it shoots out a disk which does heat do we Build around that?

[deep grotto]

The disk is basically the only vaguely interesting part about Zenistar

[tulip sequoia]

Is this build good?

[severe bough]

How to actually build it tho?

[deep grotto]

Forgor

[severe bough]

De just make me sell log in reward things i dont wanna have this in my inventory

[deep grotto]

See but you can make the Zenistar giant with a skin

[severe bough]

Which?

[deep grotto]

The tennogen one with the circles stuck in the blade

[severe bough]

Ah that one

Let me just influence it i dunno if it performs good on heavys with that disk

[severe bough]

Btw really good for acolytes just tested it

[rancid steppe]

Which would you say is the better Paracesis crit build? Or tell me if you have a better one

[severe bough]

Ngl just did a sweet cap run it destroys thraxes

[severe bough]

Just use the typicall influence build

[weary yacht]

anyone got builds for burston prime incarnon that turns it into a shredder for archons and liches?

in this build, what should I swap out for a damage and crit chance riven?
https://overframe.gg/build/505444

[severe bough]

I rather go with ms but thats up to you. U can replace serration with 90% heat

And if u wanna go ms replace acuity with gchamber scope with bane mod

[onyx monolith]

that virmink looks funny

[severe bough]

Keep him as a pet

[onyx monolith]

lol

[weary yacht]

can't believe the burston riven I got like a year or two ago is finally gonna be used...

actually, this is the first time I'm using a riven in a build full stop, funky

[rancid steppe]

Do you have a build breakdown for this?

[tall sphinx]

should i make kunai incarnon or magistar? lowk kinda think magistar kinda boring

[snow ice]

I can take dread and kunai

[tall sphinx]

fun?

ik magistar is like wow slam! but idk

[velvet pulsar]

Kunai is heat seeker
Dread is invisibility source

[tall sphinx]

oo so wait i can be invisible just by using dread incarnon?

[hard dove]

Need augnent

[snow ice]

double fun

[tall sphinx]

ahh

[velvet pulsar]

Augment

[hard dove]

Unseen dread

[tall sphinx]

dread and kunai alr

i kinda dont have a good melee weapon rn should i just make the kunai first

[astral tinsel]

kunai aren't melee either

[tall sphinx]

oh yeah

[astral tinsel]

okina incarnon is amazing if you can get okina prime

[tall sphinx]

oo alr ill try

i forgot kunai is a secondary

[velvet pulsar]

Well if u have a -projectile speed riven u can turn kunai into a "melee"

[coral crest]

projectile dysfunction

[noble depot]

What can I replace to make this stronger?

[civic apex]

I mean... you can always use the Magistar as an aggressive baseball stick instead of a slam stick 😂

[novel bear]

As far as I know dera has no reason to use serration instead of galv aptitude

[last yacht]

What does the 50% ammo efficiency on the daring reverie upgrade on the Braton incarnon do? Does it increase the incarnon ammo or?

[velvet pulsar]

No form of ammo efficiency affects incarnon charges

It only affects incarnoff ammo

[last yacht]

Ty

[severe bough]

Weapons that have inhate heat ( for example latron ) still benefit from mods like hellfire but is it a good option to still make use of them or better of using smth else ?

[grave cloak]

I like to use heat mods still so that it doesn't mess up heat inherit calculations

Gets really juicy when you can ramp up the DoT with a faction mod

[tacit pebble]

Guys is this any good?

[civic apex]

It's probably not meta or ideal by most people's standards. But it still seems like it could kick some rear

[tacit pebble]

Alright alright

[civic apex]

I would highly advice against using "blanket phrases like "is this good" here in this server. Normally you're gonna get some level capper answer xD

[carmine dew]

cold on melees is a dud and additional combo chance is not really useful either

[tacit pebble]

But tbh i would rather ask from those people because if i can get a mod they would want then ik itll go for alot of plat or would be good for me to usr

[tacit pebble]

Alright alright probably spin it again because ive already got galvanized steel

[carmine dew]

youre really just aiming for the usual stats

cd cc dam as elec

faction damage if youre using it for that

[civic apex]

I mean... dmg is dmg, that crit chance is kinda nasty, and daggers are high speed as is. So in terms of potential functionality there are definitely some places where you can use it.

But Dynamo is still technically right

[civic apex]

I guess that's one angle. I don't think I'll ever personally get into riven selling

[coral crest]

Doesn't have to be a godroll to build a weapon around it

[civic apex]

^ Basically that

[tacit pebble]

Fair enough

[carmine dew]

that cc is less than base sac steel

like we are competing with blood rush which is 440%

[fathom sky]

Even then, that's not worth using over Sac Steel, which is the main thing if it were a heavy attack build

[tacit pebble]

Noted

Oh yeah are sanctuary thingies the best way to level up guns or warframes?

[coral crest]

Stealth bonus stacking in open world are usually the best

But Sanctuary Onslaught is the most accessible

[tacit pebble]

Huh whats that?

[coral crest]

Just use the weapon/warframe with an invisibility source

Killing unaware enemies gives multiple times the affinity

Cc tools like sleep also work if used before the enemy notices you

Like Lull from Baruuk or Rest&Rage from Equinox(these are also coincidentally their subsume abilities)

[carmine dew]

guns i usually level with eso with saryn or something, you can usually get it to max with a round or two

warframes you can use the plains of eidolon method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E59B8ZBpvPE

[tacit pebble]

Ahhhh okok

[coral crest]

There's also Explosive Legerdemain Mirage

[tacit pebble]

Thank you thank you

[carmine dew]

i hear about people using that thing where you subsume silence and use the kuva bramma but ive never managed to get that rolling lol

[coral crest]

Aka "nobody is playing ESO until I say so"

[severe bough]

Same for me on burston and latron i still use a heat mod but im wondering if thats actually needed or smth like hammer shot just does more dmg

[tacit pebble]

Just checked that out will definately try it out cause ive got like 3-4 frames that i havent even touched yet

[severe bough]

Even worth it without faction mod?

[astral tinsel]

for heat status builds, definitely

unless you're priming everything with a heat inherit primer

for a raw damage build I'd usually go with a different element

[severe bough]

Im mean especially for burston that does already come with inhate heat in incarnon is that still worth it to go with heat mod or use smth else?

[severe bough]

That is obvious

[severe bough]

Wait what u mean by that exactly in context to the other one

[civic apex]

I just level things by using them

Though I will admit that's a pain when most "MR fodder" has no damn mod capacity

[astral tinsel]

iirc for burston specifically you can just go raw damage and kill stuff before the first heat DoT tick

[astral tinsel]

It's a quirk of how heat status is coded. Since its duration refresheses with every new stack, I believe that it just adds damage to the very first stack internally. This results in the very first stack's heat mod bonus applying to all subsequent stacks that refresh its duration

(elemental status damage is increased by mods of that element)

[severe bough]

Thats the same thing i thought about since were not using it to dot the enemy down its used to Strip and then kill it with raw dmg but just curious because i currently use the same setup as ninjase execpt ive use ms instead of acuity and swapped serration/amalgam serration for the 90% heat mod

[severe bough]

Sounds interesting so in short u can say that the mods for that Element increase the dmg of that element? But when were speaking from burston again where we already given inhate heat does this makes sense to go for that heat mod ( which is a little dps increase according to ninjase ) or going for smth else instead e.g hammer shot etc mabye Meat got a explaintion for that cuz tbf he knows everything. Just a bit confused about it because might be that something else could potentialy be better

[rare stag]

does ammo max mods affect incarnon?

[fathom sky]

Nothing affects Incarnon mode "ammo" besides the awful "+MS to spend more charge" Evolution some guns have

[subtle fulcrum]

This incarnon perk is a damn joke

[old marsh]

Which weapons have this Evo? I honestly can’t recall 😅

[midnight horizon]

Just unveiled a harmony riven. What should I be looking for when rolling?

[subtle fulcrum]

I know miter has it

[fervent rapids]

Braton has it too IIRC.

[undone dust]

i think torid does too

[severe bough]

iirc
Sd
Cc
Cd
Range
Harmless neg

[fathom sky]

"scd"

[velvet pulsar]

Status Chance + Duration

[severe bough]

Isnt that abbreviation for status duration

[fathom sky]

It's just SD

[severe bough]

Oh nvm its onl sd

My vaul

[fathom sky]

And status damage isnt a Riven st- ah you fixed it

[velvet pulsar]

Your vault

[severe bough]

[severe bough]

Didnt sleept for over 24 hours kinda screwed fr

[velvet pulsar]

My story of this week

2 days left to submit a project
Completed the project
Yet awake at 2 am to complete the documentation

[severe bough]

[velvet pulsar]

And here I am in a warframe server builds channel as a side gig

[severe bough]

The real place to be when it gets boring

[severe bough]

Just need a explaintion for that so i can sleep its like when im to long awake i think about multiple unnecessary things which keep me thinking
where is the all mighty steak he knows everything

[severe bough]

But do not have a day left to complete it?

[velvet pulsar]

I have

[severe bough]

easy enough time

[median heron]

Point of heat inherit was to continue using a stronger proc from a different wep.
You stack a bunch of heat and bane on a secondary, you proc heat, then you switch to primary and every new heat proc from the primary keeps using the bonuses of the secondary

Stacking heat mods unless the wep is a status wep isnt worth it

Weps are slot starved anyways

[velvet pulsar]

The kill credit also goes to the secondary in this example

(only if the enemy dies of heat proc burn not direct hit dmg)

[chrome basin]

Hi, I just applied Rhino's Roar to another Warframe and it only reaches 30%. I've seen people with 60%. What do I do?

[severe bough]

Ik the mechanic of heat inherit it basically does inherit faction% and heat% from the inital dot. And cuz burston is a raw dmg weapon and not used for dots were not going to use a heat mod on top right?

[carmine dew]

increase strength

[undone dust]

roar on helminth gets nerfed, but you can just mod strength for higher numbers

[chrome basin]

ok thanks

[severe bough]

Fr most weapons have sloted issues but does the same apply to latron aswell so is it also considered a raw dmg weapon or more for dots

[undone dust]

you technically still could, youd most likely use hellfire over thermite though as that would give you a higher raw damage increase than thermite

[severe bough]

I actually use hellfire

[undone dust]

depends, i believe prime is better DoT oriented and wraith is more crit oriented

but those could probably be flip flopped

yeah, prime is better for status damage and wraith is better for raw non status damage

[severe bough]

But i probably swap that out now for smth else since what we talked about

[undone dust]

what does your burston setup look like?

[median heron]

Latron also has double tap so even more slot starved

[undone dust]

eh, double tap isnt really needed

[severe bough]

On ninjase latron build e.g he doesnt use hellfire even tho its consider a dot weapon he uses hammer shot instead ( which i swapped out for hell fire )

[median heron]

Its a free eclipse

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder if I use Double Tap

[severe bough]

iirc its multi

Is it

[undone dust]

you can still do perfectly fine without it, i do

[severe bough]

Is it not

[undone dust]

i think so

i heard that it was when they finally got it working with the incarnon

[undone dust]

latron incarnon has innate heat so that's probably why

[severe bough]

Same as burston thats the hole thing im asking about because weapons that does already have inhate heat do they want another mod for it or can the use smth else therfore hammer shot or whatever

[undone dust]

theyre always an option to add, but you're not really forced to add them

especially on weapons that are already as good as latron and burston incarnons

[severe bough]

Sure but only from number perspective when we use hellfire or hammer shot which could potentialy perform better

[undone dust]

im pretty sure the extra cd would be better since hellfire would just be additive to your base damage as well as bumping your heat DoT a minuscule amount

plus hammer has extra sc so it would also just make it more likely for you to get heat or viral procs

[severe bough]

Ye its only a tiny dps increase for heat but because were not using it to actually dot its probably better to use smth because we already have inhate heat and its not used for dots

[toxic field]

guys what skill should I put in ember to apply for heat/slash, cedo and his 2 isn't working for me

[median heron]

Elemental mods arent additive to base damage, but no its not worth using hellfire on latron

[severe bough]

But the question there is does the same thing applies to latron cuz thats the only weapon ik rn that also comes also with inhate heat but is more Orientated around dots therfore using hellfire e.g makes more sense or mabye less

[median heron]

Id use extra heat on miter, boar and torid if using heat builds

[severe bough]

Just because we were already blessed with inhate heat on it ? So smth else into that slot can and will be better?

[median heron]

Even if it had no heat you wouldnt mod it for heat

Or i should say i wouldnt

[mighty flare]

roar

[subtle fulcrum]

??
They are multiplicative

[severe bough]

I do too I mean thats obvsi they all focused around dots ( so torid and boar i dunno about miter

[severe bough]

Why so ?

[subtle fulcrum]

Adding elemental mods will increase your raw dmg

[median heron]

Yes?

[subtle fulcrum]

Sorry I read "are" additive

[undone dust]

i love being wrong and learning things

[severe bough]

I love beeing confused through myself

[median heron]

Viral hm or raw corrosive for latron is what id do

[severe bough]

Interesting choice but tho it has inhate heat rn is using a mod usefull or more useless?

[median heron]

Depends on alternatives

In most cases it is not worth

[severe bough]

Which mods u could use instead ?

[subtle fulcrum]

viral hm is dead and latron already armor strips unless you pick higher cc or cd

[median heron]

Why would viral hm be dead

Armor strip is too slow

[severe bough]

Not worth to use hellfire or not worth to use another mod?

[median heron]

Hellfire

[severe bough]

But thats only because were already have the inhate it on it right..?

[severe bough]

Doesnt latron have a perk which gets often used for strip?

[subtle fulcrum]

Hm was peak in the past because enemies had high dr (armor) and low hp, it's now the opposite and 30% slash chance is just the worse than heat elec or tox

[astral tinsel]

so is waiting for slash to start ticking

[undone dust]

flensing definitely exists as a strip option

[severe bough]

Only used it as utility sometimes in casc

[subtle fulcrum]

Last one, you either chose armor strip, higher base cc or higher base cd

[severe bough]

But that was a long time

[severe bough]

I knew it

[astral tinsel]

isn't it armor strip / cc+cd / gco?

[median heron]

Heat elec and tox still get reduced by armor regardless and are also affected by hp increase. Armor stripping and stacking heat is still worse than viral hm

[astral tinsel]

alright not gco but headshot multi

[astral tinsel]

they do, but they are also boosted by the respective elemental mods

[wicked raven]

hey new player here looking for some help with nova

[astral tinsel]

plus they just deal more damage even before mods (0.5 of modded vs slash's 0.35)

[wicked raven]

i just unlocked the ability change thing and was wondering what to do

[median heron]

That is true but you have to run pure heat latron to make it do something. And you need to armor strip. Thats longer than viral and slash

Unless you want to prime everything separately with viral

[astral tinsel]

basically everyone runs some kind of external viral priming these days

panzer vulpa, helstrum, nourish...

[severe bough]

Overall now from that explaintion i can say weps that do have inhate heat doesnt really require another heat mod ( e.g latron burston ) espically on weapons like burston where the main gole is not to focuse on making the dot stronger more about raw dmg

[severe bough]

Just use pillage fr

Pillage xaku goated

[wicked raven]

what skill do i replace on my nova and for what anyone know?

[astral tinsel]

isn't that the weakest armor strip by %

[severe bough]

U need a lot of str to one tap stripp

But just spam it

[astral tinsel]

yeah if you don't care about the DoT part just use primed cryo for more damage

[severe bough]

I mean on burston i already use pcr and on latron aswell but for burston igs it doesnt make any sense to use hellfire better use smth else

Cuz it wont dot anyways

I could also just see what the difference is jus go into simu and use both hammer shot and hellfire

[undone dust]

yeah, you need like 400% str (328% with projection) but it's awesome because big shield..

[median heron]

On latron the staple is double tap, bane, ms, cc, cd, then last 3 mods are flex. Youd want fire rate pshred likely, riven maybe and elems

If you do pure heat you put heat mods

[severe bough]

Exactly what i run, viral heat but i think i use hellfire over bane or fire rate and get it external

[median heron]

Imo HM does more than hellfire there

You keep the heat dot and proc chance and you get extra free slash

[mighty flare]

viral hm & full strip were strongest when armor made up the majority of enemy ehp
armor decrease for health increase allows for other dots to stand on more equal footing and make slash less dominant
other dots work fine even on partial stripping

[undone dust]

is double tap from nightwave? i can't remember

[severe bough]

Tbf only need 50% strip need to cast it 2 times to full strip but u cast it anyways

[astral tinsel]

the slash isn't free, it's at the cost of +90% heat hit damage and heat dot damage

[subtle fulcrum]

• They get boosted by their respective mods
• you proc more sacks of them since you are not capped at 30% chance
• armor stripping/reduction is omnipresent in the game (even corro proj is enough), heat itself already does it
• the base multiplier of heat and elec (0.5) is higher than slash (0.35)

A slash weapon isn't that bad, but hm is that bad

Also about the status latron, @severe bough, latron benefits from multi gun co and kills through raw dmg, you don't care about status dmg

[astral tinsel]

you could go for like blast

[median heron]

That is true but it doesnt make it dead

[mighty flare]

i never said its dead

[severe bough]

So does basically act the same way burston does raw dmg viral heat and no reason to use another heat mod since the dots arent what were aiming for ?

[astral tinsel]

yeah pretty much

[subtle fulcrum]

It's not free, you use a mod slot for it

[severe bough]

Hm is still used on very old kuva weapons tbf

[severe bough]

U mean me with that?

[median heron]

Do you want to do the calcs? Youre saying 90% heat and the extra dot damage outweighs a slash proc thats indepentent from existing status chance?

Yall are high but ok

Build the way you want to build

[astral tinsel]

I thought about running the numbers but I'm just too lazy atm

[median heron]

It could only be better on full armor strip, and even thats unlikely

[latent adder]

Slash sucks

[cyan star]

Are we actually debating if you should use hunter munitions in here

[median heron]

2 strong procs beat 1 stronger proc

[latent adder]

Esp if youre already stripping

[cyan star]

HM has been in a coffin for the past few years now

[subtle fulcrum]

Yeah I'm not using hm on a weapon that kills everything in the game with raw dmg for that "extra" 30% of dealing 0.35 of my dmg a second later

Yeah I'm not using hm on a status weapon when it can deliver multiple status procs per hit which are boosted by their own mods and have higher base dmg and even utility (armor strip, aoe, stun)

The maths has already been done and it's just a loss for hm..

[severe bough]

If yes then ty for clearing my brain i can go sleep peacefully now

[median heron]

Everything you said applies to heat as well ..

This is not a heat vs slash debate, this is a heat + slash vs slightly stronger heat

[subtle fulcrum]

?
Yes heat is included in the other status effects that I'm praising ? xD

[subtle fulcrum]

It's a hm or not hm debate.
Hm is dead just do the maths and accept the reality

[cyan star]

HM has genuinely become such a forgotten mod, it had its time when armour was as crazy as it was but, now it just isn’t

[median heron]

Doesnt have to be crazy to beat hellfire on a wep with innate heat

Again, hm + innate heat vs hellfire

[astral tinsel]

with full strip you only need like +5.6% status chance for hellfire to beat HM on latron prime inc not counting the hit damage at all

[latent adder]

You can just test it in game, hellfire is more raw dmg and boosts all heat procs by 1.9x

[subtle fulcrum]

About + heat or + hm on latron, it's + heat (if you don't have other elemental mods already) purely for raw dmg because any dot won't have time to tick even once, the enemies are dead in less than a second

[latent adder]

I wouldnt use hellfire myself cuz latron just kills with raw dmg, but its for sure better than HM

[median heron]

I didnt say full strip is included

[cyan star]

Latron just lets you sneeze on smth and it becomes that ashen baby gif

[latent adder]

Latron also has innate strip

[cyan star]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[latent adder]

The strip evolution is still the best and makes HM even more redundant

[subtle fulcrum]

Corro hm is the way trust

[astral tinsel]

at the same time, the crit one is pretty juicy

[subtle fulcrum]

Peak redondance

[astral tinsel]

if you have other armor strip

[latent adder]

Yeah crits good too

[severe bough]

Just because your here ninjase need to ask you smth about burston and latron talked about the others already just for clarify because u know Everything burston and latron kill both with raw dmg not with dots so using hellfire doesnt really make sense cuz inhate heat is already given but in comp hellfire vs hammershot what would be the better Option?

[cyan star]

I’m personally running the crit one lately and quite enjoy it

[astral tinsel]

I would, but I'm too lazy to strip armor manually

[subtle fulcrum]

Jade

[cyan star]

I just don’t I use nourish a hell of a lot so all my builds lately are Corro Heat

[median heron]

Slash too slow but heat ticks and armor strip isnt, lets at least be objective here

[latent adder]

You'd have to just use calculator, testing in real game would be indiscernable like 5% difference

My gut feeling is hammer shot

[cyan star]

Hammer Shot probably does better since Latron has absolutely biblical levels of CD to work with

[severe bough]

But is it actually worth it to play extra heat on a weapon that already has inhate heat and doesnt make use of dots ? Or use something else e.g hammer shot or whatever mod

[latent adder]

Why not just try it in game

[severe bough]

Any good calc ?

[subtle fulcrum]

Add cold and blast everything

[cyan star]

Go run SP mot or something and test on silly corrupted goobers

[severe bough]

[latent adder]

Had to dm the calculator

Blocked by bot here

[severe bough]

Thats what i got with hellfire and hammer shot

Left hammershot right hellfire and its the ms not actuity build

[latent adder]

Hmm then hellfire i guess

Is there no other better option tho?

[gray quarry]

I’m taking your hammershot

[latent adder]

Oh btw try clicking the long average calc

Luck averaged one

Reduces RNG

[severe bough]

I dont have any in mind rn but i try the long calc wait

[median heron]

Is double tap in the build? Those numbers seem low

[severe bough]

Burston not latron i dont know if i said that imo

[median heron]

Ah ok

[severe bough]

Ig i clicked on the long one either way i test it out tomorrow in game just see what does better also sended you smth pm mabye u got time for answering that would appreicate it

Does anybody got the incarnon Rotation thing for next week?

[median heron]

Whats the rest of the build

[severe bough]

Its basically that build

[median heron]

First time seeing this calc and either im doing something wrong or its busted

I have 9700 raw 4700 dot per shot and dps 233k

[median heron]

Compared to this

I guess the fire rate is the diff

Did you also add arcane to the build?

Probably not seems too low

[severe bough]

I did merci but deadhead is probably better since burston realies heavly on ads headshots when it comes to killing cap thraxes or enemys

[median heron]

I think the calc assumes zero buffs from start so it has ramp up

[severe bough]

U can change settings if mods/ arcanes that can be ramped up are giving the full buff or not

Mabye i did smth wrong whatever i will test it out tomorrow in casc see whats going better either way its probably like 5% which isnt really big to worry about like i did

[median heron]

I get 350k with the build you added and deadhead

Maybe your target dummy is grineer and you have bane of orokin

[zealous dew]

i need a nyx build

[severe bough]

https://overframe.gg/build/768519/

Parkour just helps that you can roll faster in assimilate but i often use it as panic button less than staying in it

[icy light]

I am not quite finished building my Sarpa, lacking a Catalyst for it to see its full potential... But. It is very promising so far. Whoever recommended the CO was very helpful for it.

Decent to Arbitration runs which is at least a gateway to SP. I'm hoping to run that initial combo galv mod but again... not fully built yet.

[frigid crater]

Anyone got some nice Nezha builds or should i steal one from ninjase?

[lunar blade]

gunblade? 👁️ 👄 👁️

[severe bough]

Yep it was grineer imo

Left hammershot right hellfire

[icy light]

Yes. The only single bullet gunblade.

Not the Shotgun type.

[lunar blade]

gunblade 👁️ 👄 👁️ (waiting for the corufell prime)

[icy light]

I was gonna go for the Stropha. But then like. Most of the gunblades are shotguns.

[novel bear]

Isn’t stropha more of a burst rifle?

[fathom sky]

It is

[icy light]

Dunno. Already building Sarpa.

[fathom sky]

Wait no Sarpa is, not Stropha

[novel bear]

Oh, stropha is the shockwave

[lunar blade]

Stropha has wider hits. With the right build, you’re guaranteed to wipe out everything in front of you.
Redeemer should have the highest damage per shot. Just to give you an idea, it was used (and sometimes still is) to one-shot Eidolon parts.
Vastilok and Sarpa are a bit lower in damage, but they’re used with [Shattering Impact] to remove 100% of armor from bosses/mini-bosses. One close shot for Vastilok (it’s not very accurate), or two shots even from a distance with Sarpa. To help yourself, you can aim and the moveset changes. (I don’t know how this works on console)

[icy light]

Stropha's unlikely to get a Vandal. Unlike Sarpa Prime, which is statistically supposed to get a Prime.

[frigid crater]

Really hope Nezha can health tank well

[icy light]

Darling don't worry. I got Gyro Aim. Easier to use. If I could ADS on melee without sticking to melee only but either way

[frigid crater]

If not im screwed

[icy light]

Nezha relies on his abilities

[frigid crater]

Yeah
That's like
What a warframe does i guess

[hard dove]

Yes

Well depending on what level you're up against

He can health tank ETA

[frigid crater]

Im not doing any void cascade or ETA/EDA with him so

[lunar blade]

Tenet Stropha. But it’s difficult. There’s not much to buff. A Sarpa Prime will arrive, sooner or later…

[frigid crater]

Dont need a super build for lvl 9999

[hard dove]

Then yeah he health tank very well

[primal fog]

Rate my build

[frigid crater]

Perfect build for revenant prime ngl

[primal fog]

emphasis on prime

[frigid crater]

Do i need arcane blessing, arcane guardian n everything like that or is adaptation w/guardian enough?

Because i wanna run him with both augments but i dont think he'll work If i do that

[hard dove]

Nope

I personally use aegis for extra protection tho but you can drop it honestly

[severe bough]

U dont need anything she got death gate u can run brief respite for shield gate

[hard dove]

Use more offense related arcane like steadfast and augmented

[severe bough]

And aegis for Qol but your should be good without it

[frigid crater]

She
?

[frigid crater]

Oh ok that sounds very comfy

[hard dove]

Honestly since you're not doing ETA shinenigans you can just ignore warding halo and spam 4 and still survive due to sheer KPM

[frigid crater]

I mean, warding halo sounds fun because haha DMG vulnerability

[severe bough]

I dont have any idea if its a he she or banana but focus on range str and neg duration use divine augment ( neg duration so spears run out of time for themself )
U can subsume her one either for roar and use charkam for applying heat status ( weapons also do same eg furis ) or use temple subsume which makes her cast more

[hard dove]

Do not neg duration if using roar tho

[severe bough]

True

Forgot about that

[hard dove]

Also he

[frigid crater]

I think i'll dont subsume his 1

I like running fast

[hard dove]

Master the art of chakram teleport and you don't need firewalker

[frigid crater]

But isnt firewalker just free heat stacks?

[severe bough]

The doesnt do much

[hard dove]

It doesn't stack that well over sunder or pyrotechnics
Or just chakram for that matter
Or using heat status weapon like furis or nukor

[storm fog]

is there a build for larkspur prime from ninjase

[icy light]

Firewalker gives you status immunity and knockdown immunity.

[frigid crater]

My nukor is kinda heatless

Oh nvm its viral & heat

[hard dove]

So does warding halo
But firewalker is nice if you want to be a team player ig

[severe bough]

I would def keep his 2 cuz hes already energy hungry u get ton of health orbs to compensate with equilibrium

[severe bough]

Viral heat or blast ig

[frigid crater]

Alr so im gonna go with arcane guardian, adaptation & (obviously) archon vitality for survivability

If It doesn't work
Eh, gonna try and put blessing on molt augmentes

[hard dove]

Ah funny archon vit isn't even for survivability

Adaptation alone probably means your shield nvr break unless really high lvl

[frigid crater]

Y e p

If that Double heat didn't exist everyone would clown on this mod

[undone dust]

firewalker is just better on other frames (there's a build with its aug on a certain frame but i can't remember what it is )

[frigid crater]

Ah
The classic " the ability that goes thematically well with me is my worst one " helminth

DUDE WHY IS NO ONE SELLING REAPING CHAKRAM

[undone dust]

im watching jjk with my girlfriend rn but if you wait like 20ish minutes i can just grab it and give it to you for free

[hard dove]

Which faction is chakram again?

I think i can trade iirc it's on hexis

[undone dust]

suda and meridian

[hard dove]

Frick i just used up all my steel standing
Well i have suda at least

[frigid crater]

HOW DO I HAVE BOTH SYNDICATES BUT ONE IS R2 AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T HAVE 25K STANDING

[hard dove]

@frigid crater want to trade? I have suda maxed out

[frigid crater]

Sure

[hard dove]

Alright what's your ign

[frigid crater]

Dm

[umbral shale]

should i use sacrifical steel or galv steel
on my falcor

[topaz vale]

i wanna know what would be missing here btw it is bo prime

[mighty flare]

sacrifical

[carmine dew]

arcane

[potent bramble]

build approved?

[solar reef]

why summoners wrath

ash’s bladestorm isnt affected by it

[potent bramble]

i expected that but still gave it a try, but now that you told me that I might change it to steel charge

i just got him so I'm trying to learn Abt him

[solar reef]

i would run brief respite

[solar reef]

nothing really to learn

hes incredibly basic and his bladestorm is underwhelming

I would also drop seeking shuriken for his 2nd augment and just use a weapon for armor strip

You just use smokescreen and maybe possibly use his 4th from time to time

His 1st is a mediocre armor strip that needs an augment and his 3rd is wrathful advance but without the CC bonus and you need an enemy to teleport

His 2nd should stay active at all times

[potent bramble]

ohh

[solar reef]

his 4th does fantastic true damage but its also just slower than using another weapon

[potent bramble]

so wait what his 2nd augument does

[solar reef]

you’ll find that most of his mains just use him as a weapons platformer

[potent bramble]

I see

[solar reef]

its why so many of his mains are always crying for an actual rework

Hes remained consistantly boring for his entire lifespan

he had two fun builds and they got nerfed to the ground

[potent bramble]

awww

[solar reef]

his shadows used to assassinate as soon as you marked enemies

[potent bramble]

he seem fun to me tho

[solar reef]

he was the highest kpm frame in the game

that needed to be nerfed

then they changed how M4D because of him

[potent bramble]

bruh.

[solar reef]

hes fun for like 3 missions but his 4th is, frankly, slow

it gets boring just looking at enemies and waiting for them to die

hes my most played frame and I desperately want him to get a real rework

[potent bramble]

time to turn to de like with Oberon

[solar reef]

they’ve “reworked” him like 5 times

They gave him a bandaid “rework” a while back that just game him arcanes and a few augments that nobody uses

[potent bramble]

just buff him atp them

bruh

[solar reef]

nothing a buff can do

his kit just genuinely needs more

his armor strip should be built in to the ability, first and foremorst

[next fossil]

atleast his 4th is still more usefull than Niduse's 4th lol

[solar reef]

its literally a useless ability without its augment

his 2 is fine

[quiet widget]

someone please explain. how does this happen

[solar reef]

but 3 desperately needs something

[solar reef]

aoe weapons

[quiet widget]

ohhhh

thank u

[potent bramble]

his 3 is basically like stalker in duviri icl

[solar reef]

its the other way around

Its literally just teleport to an enemy for a finisher

which is neat and all but it really doesnt do much to help you

because thats so incredibly slow to do

[potent bramble]

I'm thinking of subsuming warhful for his 1

[solar reef]

i would subsume either WA or Silence with its augment

his 3rd is just glorified mobility but it sucks at that too

it should have hold to cast like kullervo’s

[next fossil]

Mele cresendo benefits from it, easy and free permanent iniate combo count

[solar reef]

ok but his clones can also just melee crecendo

why would i waste crescendo on my actual melee

[next fossil]

because permanent max combo count is criminally underrated

[solar reef]

just use tennokai and influence/exposure/afflictions

[solar reef]

“underrated” no its not

we have tennokai

its either obsolete with Galv Reflex or obsolete with tennokai

[potent bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-back-away-never-here-you-dont-see-me-gif-18121192

[next fossil]

tennokai is fine, but why use tennokai when you can heavy spam and not lose combo count?

[solar reef]

because you cant actually heavy spam and keep 12x combo

by the time you heavy again you’re at like 4x

[next fossil]

you can

[solar reef]

thats why we use galvanized reflex instead of crescendo

as it sets you to 5x and gives you the heavy efficiency to instantly get back up to max your initial combo

and doesnt require you to waste a precious arcane slot

[next fossil]

you can get up to 8x combo count permanently and that's without the arcane or a riven for it

[solar reef]

if you’re heavy spamming you aren’t getting back up to 8x without waiting

[next fossil]

no it's instant

you don't need to wait

[solar reef]

Crescendo doesnt give you efficiency

you drop down to 0

it takes time to recharge

[next fossil]

i am starting to believe you don't know that 0.1 sec of combo duration makes the iniate combo count into a permanent stat buff...

also when you see the combo numbers rise up at the screen after a heavy it's just visual, if you do the combo trick it will still be at set combo count even after heavy spamming it won't lose it's damage output at all

[solar reef]

🤨

Also, on another note, even if it were permanant 12x, I couldnt justify running it over exposure, influence, or afflictions

as those are just too good

[next fossil]

on a normal build you would be right

[solar reef]

Also, I’ve never seen anyone mention this tech in any high endurance chat

[next fossil]

because it's underated

[solar reef]

I mean specifically you saying its just visual

i dont know about that

[next fossil]

i've been hella sleeping on it, i made my mele weapon with total dmg of 120dmg deal 33.5mill

with it

[next fossil]

if you don't believe go try it out yourself

the simulacrum is at any relay

[solar reef]

I have, you can literally test this by slotting Blood Rush and seeing if crit tiers consistantly rise

On my weapon that guaranteeably reds (301% on heavies at 12x)

and max crescendo

I’m hitting oranges by heavy spamming

its definitely not just a visual thing

[next fossil]

i don't use blood rush so it could just be how that mod itself works

[solar reef]

i’m not one to dismiss “underrated” things often
but I’m 90% sure this isnt underrated, its just obsolete in comparison to Galv Reflex + a dps oriented arcane

[solar reef]

it works the exact same way with combo count as the heavy attack bonus does

if you dont gain the cc from blood rush in this interaction you wouldnt be getting the heavy attack damage bonus from it either

[next fossil]

i did bit more research and i'll admit that i was wrong, anyway i'll go sleep because it's 3am

[novel bear]

There’s definitely some weapons this would be better on if it worked
A lot of the melee arcanes are focused on status, which raw damage slam weapons don’t build for

[mild bronze]

Would destreza prime be as effective of a rapier for finishers compared to plague kripath? Tryna stay within the theme of rapier

[granite ginkgo]

i still vouch for zaw, since u can optimize with arcane

exodia for long range aoe, and finisher for single target i presume

[mild bronze]

Yeah I gotta wait for it to come back I was just looking for a placeholder of the same melee type

Wish it was tradable

Is it only exclusive from plague star?

[granite ginkgo]

wont ballas be good? then again it be dagger weapon

[granite ginkgo]

plague star and halloween event

[mild bronze]

OMG yeah I forgot about naberus. Guess I'll just have to wait lol.

[granite ginkgo]

next year lol, that event already ended on mid september iirc

[mild bronze]

Yeah ik I thought of picking it up but I didn't think I'd ever use it. Now I need it for a setup I'm trying out lol

[granite ginkgo]

but u can start farm mother token, that what the currency use

[mild bronze]

Yeah was just thinking about that

[frigid crater]

Ok corufell + Kullervo is just unfair

[rare stag]

how good is melee duplicate for a light attack blood rush build?

[gray quarry]

Melee duplicate wants the minimal amount of crit

Blood rush adds crit, probably wouldn’t work

[mighty flare]

yes, its more convenient as ur not forced to gut ur cc/sc

[mighty flare]

too much crit chance from blood rush
duplicates only works on heavy spam setups

[rare stag]

wow really

oooh

[gray quarry]

Yeah

[rare stag]

it only applies on base critical hits

[gray quarry]

White hits

[rare stag]

how good would gyre be with amprex

theoretically

[shell tundra]

Is it reasonable to run both Fused Reservoir and Cataclysmic Gate on Wisp at the same time?

Follow up question: does Wisp like strength or range more for the Cataclysmic Gate augment?

[hard dove]

Don't see why not
Worst you probably lose some str or duration

[hard dove]

Both equally but you want high strength in the first place with good amount of range

[undone dust]

yellow crits, white hits are no crit

[novel bear]

Range
You want strength to be as high as you can get it, but range is more important

[shell tundra]

Is duration at all relevant or do I need to futz with my archon shards when I get on tomorrow?

[rare stag]

is spending 130 plat on biotic rounds for ax-52 worth it? is it a good gun

[shell tundra]

The AX-52 is gimmick to the extreme. It has funny synergy with Primary Crux. Biotic Rounds is for sure a good mod, but at this point the gun it’s on is so horrifyingly mid that it’s lipstick on a pig

[velvet pulsar]

Rather wait for Hema augment

[light zodiac]

What % does aerial damage reduction cap put at? On paper, I'm at 104% DR while airborne

I also have about 19 seconds of aim glide that actually ascends instead of descends, and I have over 200 seconds of wall latch.

[still furnace]

90% is cap pretty sure.

[novel bear]

No, and no
Different sources of dr multiply with each other

[charred gale]

dr isnt additive its multiplicative

[novel bear]

Two sources of 90% dr become 99% dr
Three sources become 99.9%

[versed axle]

does casting speed work on garuda ei is it a noticeable difference?

[grave cloak]

casting speed works on every frame

[charred gale]

it is a very noticable difference

[grave cloak]

unless you're playing a frame that never casts.

in which case idk why you're playing warframe.

[novel bear]

There are frames that mostly have long-lasting buffs, and they don’t get much out of casting speed

Like octavia

[grave cloak]

well yes but the first question was "does casting speed work on garuda"

[sinful bone]

which ability do you subsume out with excal

is it his 1

nvm see it's his 2

[prime sorrel]

Hello everyone! How good Styanax deal with levelcap with build on his 4th?

[astral tinsel]

Or 3 if not using furious javelin

[mighty flare]

not amazing, the health changes makes slash dps feel slow

[prime sorrel]

Even with arcane truculence?

[mighty flare]

helps but id rather run weapon platformer for easier time

[prime sorrel]

If only his spears were an exalted weapon

[sacred sleet]

Gonna regret this
Hek builds wya (please)

[grave cloak]

can be okay since you constantly overguard gate
unfortunately cannot make use of shade/huras despite being an ability spammer because of his 3

[mighty flare]

primed point blank can go over galv savvy, cannonade works if no external fire rate
arcanes can be deadhead or crux, i prefer crux for ammo efficiency
magnetic progen element
last slot can be preference pick like +magazine, +reload speed, +fire rate, or the augment it has

[cursive vessel]

does anyone have an sp viable cedo prime build

[tall sphinx]

im new to rivens, do i reroll my rivens and then upgrade it or the other way?

idk if this is worth it to idk do

[grave cloak]

Roll your riven to a desirable spread of stats and then upgrade it

[tall sphinx]

is verglass worth it tho

[unborn wadi]

For saryn Prime exilus mod which one to choose cunning drif or power drift

[grave cloak]

Pulling a verglas riven as your first riven is crazy though icl

[tall sphinx]

good?

or should i roll it again

[grave cloak]

Power drift if you don't have PSF

[unborn wadi]

My range is 235 already

[grave cloak]

Oh what

Are you using some weird spore build

If so then yeah cunning drift

[tall sphinx]

but what should i replace tho

[grave cloak]

Shred, but honestly your whole verglas build is very weird anyways.

Idk what's your aim there

[tall sphinx]

idk sm1 said its a damage build

[unborn wadi]

Am copying this one with some alternative like for aura am using corrosive Projection and confused on exilus mod

[tall sphinx]

any1 got a verglass build im tryna just get a damage build not a primer one

[grave cloak]

Then cunning drift
But in general just know that exilus slots in general are not slots that will make or break your build (unless it's melee exilus)
So don't overcomplicate what mod to use in exilus slot.

[grave cloak]

https://overframe.gg/build/234877/verglas/afk-steel-path-melter-companion-dps-heat-viral-verglas

[tall sphinx]

ty ty

[tall sphinx]

replace the prime shred with the riven ig?

[grave cloak]

you aren't using primed shred though

if you are then replace hellfire.

heck actually just replace hellfire altogether I just realized you have both hellfire and thermite rounds lol

[tall sphinx]

oh yeah lol

ty so much

[amber plaza]

any ideas for good weapons with high riven disposition?

[fresh surge]

most incarnon weapons

[coral crest]

Aeolak, Exergis, pretty much all of the incarnons

[twilit orchid]

styanax build pls

[mild bronze]

Ninjase got a build linked for rapiers? I've never ran a build for one before

[tender cipher]

Im having to much fun, Vasto incarnon my beloved

[clear crest]

What yall think i should build zephyr for cause i was thinking for secondaries mainly

I just dont know how i would build it

[weary yacht]

what should I swap out for the riven? (yes I know two mods are unranked, its for the example, I'll forma later

[distant jackal]

What stats should one focus on a trinity build

[brisk gyro]

If you can get an arcane adapter and put in merciles or deadhead u dont need serration in the mod slots

And damn.... another acuity fan.... you all love ur headshots multiplier

[weary yacht]

I'm just using ninjases build, its meant to be used for single target melting, like my dual toxos were

sadly I have to wait forever to get my hands on the burston incarnon D:

[brisk gyro]

Well i do use a relatively neutral build with 3 augments (the dump stat is efficiency)

[weary yacht]

I don't have any ranked versions of those arcanes and I'm flat plat broke at this point lmao

[brisk gyro]

Well fair then if it's just single target one then it's fine. I use mine for spray and pray and using acuity there is counterproductive

[weary yacht]

yeah, ocucor with augment is my crowd clearing tool

at least with this loadout
idk what primary I'd use for crowd clearing at this point

[brisk gyro]

U can get an adapter for steel essence easily and the arcane i mentioned is like 14-15p worth.... they're worthless baaicaly since u get em everywhere

[brisk gyro]

I use bramma or acceltra for clearing usualy

[weary yacht]

the main issue I have with acceltra is the arming distance thing

[brisk gyro]

Arming distance?

[weary yacht]

the distance the bullets need before they can explode

[coral crest]

Shots explode only after some travel time

Like Tonkor

[brisk gyro]

Ah well someone using guns in melee