builds-discussion

[wispy arch]

i forgot the Madurai buff too

[wispy arch]

tried it on 20 goons, im satisfied

i dont think im ever gonna find 20 goons stacked together in a corridor but just for the funny colors is great

[severe bough]

U can go for at least 265 u dont need that much duration and also if u can go with umbral int

What i also recommend to try is bringing a invis pet with you and using crepuscular for the crit buff very good synergy with his 4

[fierce wagon]

someone show me how to build shedu

[astral tinsel]

I'd go with multishot over acuity

it'll make enemies reach 10 stacks faster

and acuity's damage bonus doesn't apply to 1x weakpoint multi weapons like paris incarnon anyway

[tight tulip]

which is better?

which one is better?

[tranquil plover]

does anyone have a good lvl cap valkitty build?

idc if its a video from a youtuber, somethin on overframe, or smth you cooked up, i just need smth to do lvl cap

[stone timber]

I need a good build for damage and survivability and ability duration

[fervent rapids]

remove Fiber and Fast Deflection

Gauss doesn't need Armor, and his Battery already boosts his shield regen

the main stats you want for Gauss are Duration and Range, with a bit of Strength too

[midnight horizon]

Fast deflect can stay if he's using aegis

[stone timber]

Ok

[haughty sparrow]

What elements does this even make? Magnetic toxin? corrosive cold? Electric viral?

[quiet laurel]

viral elec

[fervent rapids]

well Bassocyst also has several innate elemental damages (and the Valence on top of that), so could vary

[stone timber]

Should I add narrow minded

[quiet laurel]

rivens are from down to top in order because DE smoked the finest crack in canada

[haughty sparrow]

What does this have to do with builds dawg

[quiet laurel]

erm mods pls smite this individual

[stone timber]

He got hacked

[haughty sparrow]

Lol

[stone timber]

This better

?

[quiet laurel]

do you have at least like 1 arcane aegis

[stone timber]

Lml

[stone timber]

Nope

[quiet laurel]

that is very unfortunate

[fervent rapids]

That lowers your Range, so probably not

[haughty sparrow]

Removes theifs wit and get a pet so you can use animal instinct

[quiet laurel]

depends on whether you go weapons platform or nuke

[stone timber]

Baro has prime should I get that

[haughty sparrow]

The prine version takes up alot of mod space compared to the normal one but yeah sure

[stone timber]

Good so far?

[haughty sparrow]

Gauss doesn't have enough HP to make good use of belios

[cyan parrot]

anyone here who have a heavy spam kullervo build? Pref for level cap. Would harmony or hate incarnon be better for this playstyle?

[stone timber]

Ok

[haughty sparrow]

Hate incarnons throws projectiles that are useful for hitting enemies that float (that one cavia enemy that gives the other enemies overguard)

The projectiles also have their crit boosted by wrathful advance

[cyan parrot]

So even for a wrathful spam playstyle, hate would still be better?

[haughty sparrow]

It also has the incarnon stats so yeah,it would be better

[cyan parrot]

Do you happen to have a build for this?

i've been seeing a buncha build and don't know which one fits the playstyle

[haughty sparrow]

Depends on the playstyle,are you going to be doing normal heavy attack spam or tennokai?

Here is a kullervo build

[cyan parrot]

i just want one that's consistent enough for level cap

[haughty sparrow]

Ah

[quiet laurel]

cascade?

[cyan parrot]

yes

and i'm relatively new to melee builds so i just wanted to try with kullervo

[quiet laurel]

best bet is contaigion zaw

[haughty sparrow]

I don't really have a weapon built specifically for kullervo

[quiet laurel]

can also slam

[severe bough]

Slamistar

[velvet pulsar]

Coda Caustacyst 👌

[near vortex]

you don't need wrath of ukko on a melee platform build

[haughty sparrow]

I mostly use it to keep the storm following me,what should i replace it with?

[near vortex]

umbral intensify would make sense

more crit from wrathful advance never hurts

[haughty sparrow]

Dude...the crit works like arcane avenger, anything more then 300% is a waste

[near vortex]

you aren't wasting crit until you get over 600%

[versed harbor]

crits go above red

[haughty sparrow]

! Point crits don't give extra damage

[versed harbor]

??

[near vortex]

they do

[quiet laurel]

me after a long day of spreading misinfo on the internet

[haughty sparrow]

Source?

[quiet laurel]

tf you mean source

its legit an extra crit tier

what else do you think it means

[versed harbor]

crit multi = ((crit multi -1)*crit tier)+1

eg red! crit would mean crit tier=4 meaning more dmg

[near vortex]

when I play Kullervo I run no crit chance on the melee and do 300% strength on Kullervo so I can go all in on other stats

[haughty sparrow]

I haven't noticed any difference, should i slot in more purple shards?

[near vortex]

mod more crit damage, some purple shards, perhaps even Tenacious Bond

I know some people will do 5 purples on Kullervo

if you want you could even try Tharros Strike with the new augment for like 300% critical damage at 300% strength

[haughty sparrow]

I mostly run azothane with the dude

[near vortex]

tharros strike is a subsume

You can put it over 4 since 4 is the weakest ability on a melee platform build, gives you armor strip and now crit damage with Tharros Lethality

[haughty sparrow]

4 gives me combo count though,which gets me big damage i use 3+1

[near vortex]

You more then likely don't need combo from 4 when you have your passive plus your 2

Plus imagine 300% crit damage

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-milkman-milkman-psychonauts-milk-delicious-gif-15360002

[haughty sparrow]

I replaced the duration shards with urple

[haughty sparrow]

Is this crit damage like organ shatter or does it work differently?

[velvet pulsar]

Tenacious Bond

It gives flat CD

[haughty sparrow]

W

[velvet pulsar]

Tharros Lethality

[haughty sparrow]

I just realized the hexis currently hates me, and loka is far from max rank

[near vortex]

Well, you'll get there eventually

So long as you play enough to standing cap Loka every day you'll get there in no time

[fallow sandal]

Why does my Nokko have lightning shooting out of him? Its not the syandana or ephemera.

[wooden atlas]

how long till he gets nerfed

[wooden atlas]

ephemera

[vivid idol]

Unlikely last time de nerfed dante the whole community went insane

[fallow sandal]

Its not. Im using the sprodling

[vivid idol]

De only really nerfs stuff that make macro farming in warframe viable ( justifiable tho)

[wooden atlas]

you can afk steel path defense missions while occasionally pressing 1,2,3,4

[vivid idol]

Yea but u gotta press for that

Macro= run a script and let the game play for u with an ez cheese build

Like slam slam spam

[grave cloak]

frames like jade are still busted as 💩 , she's still not nerfed btw

highly doubt nokko gets nerfed for w/e the reason

[vivid idol]

Yea remember this ain't a pvp game and everything is equally viable

[deep grotto]

There is a Buzz Lighyear wall meme worth of people that think Jade sucks lmao

[wooden atlas]

yeah but it's a little crazy

[vivid idol]

Also remember frames being good or bad are subjective to ur playstyle some people think harrow sucks and can't provide for the team( he can) with his crit

All I need is a kunai incarnon and my whole team will embrace the red crit

[deep grotto]

Embrace melee harrow bro

[vivid idol]

Yea bo incarnon

Primed reach and gas gasfluence make the big stick headshot everyone and bonk with range tennokai

Hehehehe and I hit so fast

[crude delta]

i decided to build the zymos and enervate makes some interesting red numbers on this lol

it's delayed tho so sometimes idk what's happening lol

[near vortex]

Now subsume Well of Life or play Nidus or Xaku, those three have the ability to hold an enemy still and immortal so you just pump them full of headshots and spread bees

[crude delta]

that works?

[high onyx]

hi, does this works with nekros 3?

[near vortex]

Correct
Subsume Well of Life, or use Nidus tether or Xaku's Gaze

[molten fox]

No, the loot drops from the Duplex Bond companion clones do not stack with Nekros's Desecrate ability. This is because their looting mechanics belong to the same "loot corpse" category and will compete for the same target, not provide a double loot bonus.

Thank google~

[tall hemlock]

has anyone found a good subsume for oberon 3rd?

[smoky widget]

whats the best amp for last gasp

[mighty flare]

roar, breach surge, blood atlar, rest & rage

[mighty flare]

x47 or the phad scaffold with certus brace

[smoky widget]

the prism doesnt matter?

[mighty flare]

toss up between the 1xx and 5xx, raplak or cantic

[smoky widget]

so 147 or the 547

[mighty flare]

yes, 547 is usually picked for more consistency and easier aiming

[smoky widget]

thanks mate

saw a reddit comment that says 643 is good too

[mighty flare]

do not the reddit

[undone dust]

peak sentence

[smoky widget]

ima go with 147 i think

what should the arcanes be for it?

[mighty flare]

eternal onslaught and eternal eradicate

[smoky widget]

ty

[zealous rapids]

If you don't use despoil it will work, any source of spending energy triggers this, even if it's a energy drain from enemy attack

[dusty summit]

How is the Thornbak

[shell tundra]

I imagine that it’s serviceable for early game, but it immediately falls flat when you take it into anything even remotely standard operating procedure for advanced players

[high onyx]

ohh yea im not using despoil

[zealous rapids]

Put some end game mods and buffs and it's not like you can't kill sp mobs with it

Given enough time

[young terrace]

Anyone with a good hydroid looting build for sp?

[wanton widget]

I'll look into that! :3

Question on Longbow Sharpshot... if I use the Paris Prime and build up the incarnon gauge, does the Sharpshot bonus apply to the incarnon or does switching to the incarnon ruin that bonus?

[astral tinsel]

it definitely applies

[wanton widget]

so build up with base form then switch to incarnon with ready and let that sucker rip!

[astral tinsel]

there's no buildup, really

the bonus is from one headshot for one shot

can be chained

[wanton widget]

I mean to get the weapon to incarnon

[next dune]

anyone got advice with keeping nokko alive? i enjoy playing him, it tickles my adhd brain quite a bit, but sometimes i just get completely destroyed

[charred gale]

just abuse his passive

[next dune]

this is the build i have, and i've debated something like vitality or redirection on it

[next dune]

was doing that last night until a ton of nullifiers decided to steamroll my shrooms into oblivion, nuking his passive

[charred gale]

if u have a fast firing weapon u can just shoot them out before they get close to u

[next dune]

it was literally they spawned after i dropped and got to my shrooms while i was transforming

i didnt have the chance to kill them

[crisp birch]

anyone got a torid and dual toxicist build and evo paths without riven ?

[digital plover]

Roar or Breach Surge on Nokko?

[mighty flare]

surge can help better clear rooms

[next dune]

the interaction between surge and sporespring seems like it could be broken

[tawny osprey]

How can i survive with cyte if my squad kills all enemies before i can kill then?

[wanton widget]

So the final thing on the Atomos Incarnon... what you guys recommend... Status monster, Boosted Crit or both? Status is 21 (41 incarnon form) and 15 Crit (18 incarnon form)... If I go status it becomes 41/61, if I go crit its 34/37 and I do both its 31/51 and 25/28/... Thoughts?

[crisp birch]

any good build for incarnon torid and dual toxocist

also evo choice

[cerulean rune]

what kinda build uses Conjunction Voltage ?

[charred gale]

having shocktrooper i guess

[timber pier]

Anyone have a good Voruna build?

[astral tinsel]

status unless you want to run a hybrid/crit build without enervate

[haughty sparrow]

Question should i use arcane avenger on kullervo? He can already hit red crits easily but my other weapons need crit chance too

[wanton widget]

How about this build?

[astral tinsel]

looks alright

if you don't mind the slower charge

[wanton widget]

I am gonna be stealthed most of the time so no worries on the slowness. As long as I can successfully kill my target, the speed is not an issue.

[clear crest]

should i use one of my wisp and giver her 5 purple shards with primary elec dmg and use vadarya for fun?

[mighty flare]

do not

[haughty sparrow]

👍

[delicate sail]

my warframe

[still vessel]

tuff

[livid girder]

Is this a good Nokko build for SP and general content? Are there any improvements I can make?

[severe bough]

Replace augur secrets with strech
Everything else looks good.
If u got any pet that makes u invis u can try crepuscular has a very good synergy also roar or breach surge work well instead of his 3

[wispy arch]

does anyone know if there is anything at all that can pair well with Garuda's Blood Altar?

[delicate sail]

W or L ? 😄

[astral tinsel]

you need to level up your mods

the fever strike can be replaced by 2 ranks on virulent scourge, leaving you with 5 extra capacity

leveling up the stance is 6 capacity pretty much for free

from there it's a matter of what mods you've got / are able to get

[limber delta]

anyone got hound builds for damage, preferably without warframe buffs

[mighty flare]

Oberon's Smite, Mag's Magnetize, Zymos

[grim dome]

on volt, is capacitance better than use catalyzing shields ?

[astral tinsel]

I like it better

[grim dome]

I see, I figured it would be if used natural talent/yellow shards and had the energy to spam 4 if needed

[astral tinsel]

because it doesn't require constant fussing

yellow shards are def needed

[charred gale]

its typically capacitance if u dont subsume off the 4 and cat if u do subsume it off

[grim dome]

I see

[stone timber]

Is this a good build for gauss prime

Like the stats

[azure osprey]

how is chroma’s elemental ward calculated? I’m trying to make a endurance capable health tank and it’s working but I have no idea just how much armor I’m getting out of this

[midnight horizon]

Are you using aegis and fast deflection first of all

[hard dove]

Is this nuke?

[stone timber]

No I’m just looki mg for a good easy gauss prime build

[hard dove]

That's bad
Don't go negative str unless aegis + fast deflection above
Duration is very very small you want 200+

[stone timber]

So what do I do Breh

[storm fog]

Is Oberon op now?

[high onyx]

hi, is corrosive projection stack with terrify? or one override the other?

[forest quarry]

What is the best frame to solo sp defense?

[mighty flare]

corrosive projection lowers Terrify's full strip threshold from 167% strength to 137% strength

so yes they stack

[dim cedar]

depending on your game style. Khora and hydroid work for little effort

[sage depot]

what parts should I use for a primary tombfinger kitgun?

[lethal bison]

corrossive projection with xaku is good too

165+ str to fully strip enemies with gaze

[high onyx]

ohh nice i have 139 now just enough to full strip, tyty

[still vessel]

im new is anyone able to give me a good build with what i got rn?

[mighty flare]

You either build for tap-fire with Tremor, or for full-charged shots you used the higher fire rate parts like Palmaris or Brash (you don't wanna use the max fire rate for minimum dmg parts)
Then you use Splat for either

[mighty flare]

dreamer's bond + equilibrium (don't have to max this yet) + continuity + streamline with fast deflection + redirection (don't max this)

[still vessel]

so this?

[mighty flare]

yeah, uh which frame is this

[still vessel]

mesa

[mighty flare]

yeah this will work then, work towards getting flow and stretch for mods
you'd want to work towards venus to get the pet mod synth deconstruct which will work good with equilibrium

[still vessel]

awesome i also use valkyr anything for her?

[mighty flare]

same setup but you dont need fast deflection or redirection, but should work towards getting flow and intensify for her

intensify is also good for mesa too

[still vessel]

ohhh okie dokies thanks man!

[sage depot]

Ah okay. I was looking for a charged shot build so I’ll do tombfinger-brash-splat

[pure gate]

For a Nezha nuke, would it be better to use Diriga or Nautilus

[shell tundra]

If I’m modding an Archgun, is the mod [Sabot Rounds] even worth it?

Specifically the Larkspur Prime

[patent holly]

Yeah, allows it to chain more

[shell tundra]

But where do I slot it? I don’t want to give up the ammo maximum

[patent holly]

Run Primary Crux and Secondary Enervate on it. Boom, crit and ammo solved

[shell tundra]

Now the real question, do I try to farm it out at 1 in the morning or do I just put my hands up and fork over like 90 something plat for it on Warframe dot market

[patent holly]

Farm it, don't cough up plat for it

It's a worthwhile grind, and it saves over five bucks worth of plat

[shell tundra]

I have like 7k plat

[patent holly]

Nevermind, spend whatever you want amount king

[shell tundra]

The main reason I’m even considering coughing up dough is because it’s 1 am for me and I know that if I start trying to farm it, it’ll be 5 AM before I’ve even brushed my teeth much less gotten dressed for bed

[patent holly]

You got work tomorrow or nah? If not, farm it. If you do, buy it and go to bed.

[grim dome]

so question, abilities like shock trooper, valence formation, and toxic lash/the other one on saryn, I know since about a year or so ago they no longer combine with elements on your weapon, so you can have combinations not normally possible

but how do they affect the status chance weighting, that is to say, if I use shock trooper, will I be proccing nothing but electricity because of how much electricity it adds ?

basically is it something I have to take into consideration when thinking about the weighting of the elements on the weapon build

[unborn turret]

hi, someone have a Kuva Sobek build that i can use with any frame?

[patent holly]

Yeah, you basically proc only Electric if you run a high strength Volt. I'd recommend just not running the augments nowadays. If you need a weapon buff, use Roar or Eclipse. Unless you want electric only, run something else.

[grim dome]

aha I see, I was hoping I could game melee influence a bit with shock trooper/valence but it seems that wouldnt work out, thanks

[patent holly]

I mean, if you run it on a frame like Volt, who doesn't really need strength, you're good to go.

[novel bear]

Valence force procs
And shock trooper absolutely works for influence

Volt is a common melee platform

[patent holly]

The problem is running it with high strength makes only electric proc, but electric is good for damage anyway

[novel bear]

Valence formation and toxic lash are separate damage instances, and don’t dilute

[grim dome]

ah thats pretty neat, ill try reducing strength on volt to dilute it less, and give valence formation a shot once my lavos comes out of the oven then, thanks

[patent holly]

Not me being a dumb dumb and forgetting that, tyty Tenno

[grim dome]

even with lower amounts of strength, as long as its positive, discharge would still do enough to completely fill shields from capacitance right ?

[patent holly]

Maybe it's because I run a stupid 400% strength Volt, but I only see Electric procs when I use weapons lol

[patent holly]

Yep, if used in a large crowd especially

[grim dome]

neat

[grim ether]

How does heat scale?

[charred gale]

First proc determines the strength of the rest of the heat procs and then more heat procs = more dmg

[grim ether]

Is it percentage? Or flat values?

I'm just curious how my lavos will scale

[patent holly]

Heat Proc Damage per Tick=0.5×Modded Base Damage×(1+Heat Damage Bonuses)×(1+Faction Damage Bonuses)×(1+Status Damage Bonuses)×Additional Multipliers
Pulled from wiki, check ut out for more info

[charred gale]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Damage/Heat_Damage

The formula is here

[patent holly]

Tyty, didn't remember if we could post links

[charred gale]

I think its only wiki and yt links

[patent holly]

I'd have to check, but I think your right. Maybe also forum links?

[charred gale]

Oh yeah probably

[grim ether]

Ty btw

My lavos is good don't get me wrong, I just haven't brought him to anything difficult

I should bite the bullet and do a void cascade to see how his 4th scales

[charred gale]

If ur gonna do a lv cap with lavos ur gonna need to use lazy gating

Since he cant shieldgate normally

[grim ether]

Not going that high

I'll fall asleep before I get to that

[charred gale]

Oh nvm then lol

[grim ether]

Like 1000-3000 I'd say

[charred gale]

Thats like a good 20-30 mins iirc

[patent holly]

Then it should scale fine. What weapons are you using?

[charred gale]

Actually i feel like 30-40 mins

[grim ether]

Bassocyst, epitaph and either coda caustacyst with a gas influence build or harmony with heat valence

Or cedo prime

Also got me hound that inflicts like 7 status effects

[patent holly]

Nice, I usually run Cedo on Lavos, but good build m8

[patent holly]

I personally use Diriga for status

[grim ether]

I've been using cedo for ages

[grim ether]

I haven't leveled not modded mine

Regen "shield gates" right

[patent holly]

Ah, unfortunate. He's my favorite status applicator.

[grim ether]

I Like the dog as mine disarms I believe

My memory of my Loadout has suddenly gone into the ether

[patent holly]

I cast sudden dementia

[grim ether]

I gotta fix my sevagoth too

They nerfed subsume roar right?

[patent holly]

Roar has remained Roar, nothing to note really

[grim ether]

Btw what is lazy gating?

[mighty flare]

smaller base increase than rhino roar but strong enough to let sevagoth hit his 1-tap combo

[grim ether]

Does it need 200 str?

I also have precision intensify

Unless things are like hugging each other it doesn't one shot anymore

[patent holly]

Strange, I don't even use Roar and my Sev one shots. Then again, I run like 300+% strength on him at all times

[mighty flare]

sorta, you can skimp around with precision intensify

[grim ether]

I'm not on my PC so the app is all I have rn, that's without roar

[mighty flare]

you dont need strength on everything, only roar is what you care about snapshotting

[mighty flare]

adaptation --> rolling guard
transient fortitude --> primed flow
augur reach --> precision intensify / catalyzing

precision intensify would open up arcane and some shards while catalyzing / augur reach can be more qol but needs snapshotting & more shards

[gloomy elm]

good or nah

[mighty flare]

i would recommend precision variant

[gloomy elm]

this is what riven has

[mighty flare]

would reccomend swapping tac pump for charged shell to have a dot for dps

you actually dont even needa have viral on strun depending on other stuff

[gloomy elm]

Oh yeah good idea

Idk I just like viral as a status

[mighty flare]

good status but also very abundant in ways you can get it

[gloomy elm]

fair

[mighty flare]

running the 6060 electric + charged shell with elementalist/bane would be gooba if you getting viral from elsewhere

[gloomy elm]

i mean my panzer has viral

so sure i will swap thanks

[grim ether]

That's the non roar build

Here's roar

Molt and the +max HP from health orbs arcanes

As for shards he has 1 tau red, 2 normal reds, a blue for energy I think and a yellow for cast speed I believe

Blue might be armour

[mighty flare]

no point in using energy shard if ur using flow in the config
reds would help for non precision variants
and what i said before is applicable here

[mortal roost]

Ello I got a question, the bonus armor valkyr gets from warcry how does it work? if I got like 10 armor and warcry gives me a 300% does that mean its x3?

[clear crest]

idk which one to take

its has low riven dispo but i still like it with one cuz why not

[hard dove]

both are ehh but right

[mighty flare]

neither good reroll for different roll

[clear crest]

need more kuva ill roll when i get more

tryna mainly get an elec one with cc and cd

[icy light]

Did people get their hands on Nokko yet? I've got everything just need to farm argon and stuff...
I'll get to the point: Is Range viable on his kit or nah?

Ik we sorta covered this yesterday but really all that amountwd to was a focus on Str>Dur>Ran>Eff

[mighty flare]

range one of best stats

you should be modding for high (if not max) range

[icy light]

Is a flat 200 range good or do I gotta pull out the 235 range?

[mighty flare]

how do you even get flat 200

[icy light]

Magic.

Anyway, yeah. 200 range then?

[mighty flare]

benchmark of 200+ range yeah

[icy light]

Then Str?

Then Duration?

[mighty flare]

yeah

[icy light]

Gotcha

[mighty flare]

Archon Continuity would be your only duration source
Overextended + Stretch and/or Augur Reach + Cunning Drift for range
Blind Rage + Molt Augmented with whatever you want for strength
Make sure to use Primed Flow

[icy light]

Think I might aim for 200 Range, 175 Str, 155 duration then.

They said that uh Brightbloom, his 2, had an energy buff. Never explained if it was regen or like Wisp Mote if it was Energy and not health.

[mighty flare]

its not energy/sec

[mighty flare]

btw arcane crepuscular is really good for Nokko, applies to his 4

[unreal walrus]

hallo everyone! I am new to warframe and need some help with achieving a build. (i don't want freebies) I just want to know how to get certain mods and what not! if you can help please DM.. appreciate !

[icy light]

What triggers Crepuscular in Nokko anyway?

Is it from his 3?

[mighty flare]

better to use huras/shade, his 3 works really weird with crepuscular

[icy light]

Ah?

You know. I'll check that out myself. I think I have Shade P already. I'll test the shenanigans but that is the leading arcane option for Nokko?

[mighty flare]

yes, crepuscular and molt augmented

[icy light]

Oh right. Sidebar... did DE add in any -Recoil mods when this update dropped. Ngl this recoil stuff on my guns will take some getting used to.

[mighty flare]

no

[mighty flare]

but you should try the holster -recoil mods, they apply to every weapon

[icy light]

Aside from Bows, Beams, thrown weapons... they all get recoil.

Gotcha.

I do tends to ads, I'll check if there's -recoil ads mods.

[velvet pulsar]

Weird?

[mighty flare]

3 doesn't either doesn't give the entire arcane buff, doesn't do anything, does give buff but doesn't show icons
i was testing it earlier and held off cuz i hadda do other stuff

huras/shade easier to rely on

[velvet pulsar]

Also side question, Aquablades in mushroom form?
Wanted to know about him using his sister's subsume...

[mighty flare]

I'd rather anything before aquablades

[velvet pulsar]

What could work in his mushroom form if abilities can't be used?

Mind Control?

Gloom for no synergy?

[mighty flare]

roar/breach surge into reroot

maybe like qorvex pillars if you feeling hipster

[midnight horizon]

8400 armor from a single arcane is tuff ngl

[deep edge]

is this the maxed stat for lavan engine? i saw wiki shows that max boost is 1.85x but i never seems to get 1.85x

[pure gate]

Just mentioning this here since whatever I'm dealing with seems to be a build issue so I set up a post in the p-h-p channel regarding Coda weapons and would like some help.

[livid girder]

Hey guys, any advice on how to build Oberon after his rework? Should I build him for range and strength?

[severe bough]

Smth like this execpt replace his 3 with roar.
He now can basically one tap with smite also a viral primeer helps

[livid girder]

Where are the 3 Forma coming from? I only have 1 Forma in my Oberon prime and he has 5 polarity slots
Also, how important are the two arcanes? I don’t have Universal Fallout and only an r1 battery

[ancient wedge]

Universal Fallout gives Oberon a ton of energy sustain from his abilities, battery isn't as necessary but it does work as a stand in for Primed Flow

[severe bough]

Battery takes away pflow and fallout is pretty important gives a lot of energy and health orbs which results in his passive being active all the time

Also pretty good for all teammates around

[livid girder]

Where can I farm both of the arcanes? They seem very good even for frames other than Oberon

[ancient wedge]

I run battery and pflow to get 1800 energy

[severe bough]

[fervent rapids]

Codex shows all Arcane sources

Battery is from Ascension on Brutus, Uranus
Fallout is from Elite Temporal Archimedea

[severe bough]

Fallout from 1999 and i believe battery aswell

But id say better of farming the plat to just buy them

[fervent rapids]

or Vosfor now that Dissolution has a 1999 pack

[muted relic]

just invis

[ancient wedge]

I also run a tau purple for equilibrium

[severe bough]

Right the gamblinh machine

[severe bough]

There isnt really a need for that but well

[ancient wedge]

Can never have too much energy

[muted relic]

also since no one is answering me in questions chat does the increased enemy radar from primed animal instinct buff shades invisibility range??

[fervent rapids]

yeah Nokko's Sprodling form counts as invisible for Crepuscular

[fervent rapids]

afaik. no, that precept mod has its own range

[muted relic]

alr ty

[severe bough]

It doesnt show in hud i didnt noticed anything buts better of just replacing his 3 for roar or breach surge and playing a huras

[mighty flare]

no

[severe bough]

[muted relic]

is there any way to buff its range then??

[fervent rapids]

Upgrade the mod. That's it

[muted relic]

other than that ofc

[ancient wedge]

Use a better companion /s

[faint prism]

Is changing my Rhino Charge for the helminths "Empower" a decent change? I don't use my charge a lot since I don't really need to use it in a majority of the game since I can just clear things out with my weapons quickly and getting around the map is much more efficient than spending my energy that I could use for my next Roar

[muted relic]

for invis gang, yk what nvm

[sour bane]

epitaph and tatsu riven, should i keep them or just toss

[severe bough]

I mean with the augment you basically get into millions of overguard but i would rather change his 4

[faint prism]

I don't really have a spot to put the augment for that, but I see what you mean

[ancient wedge]

You also spend less energy when casting charge in rapid succession

[mighty flare]

no

[ancient wedge]

Ppl severely underrate rhino's kit as a whole I feel like

[livid girder]

11 rolls on 1999 vosfor!

[severe bough]

Most common use is with parasatic armor

[livid girder]

and no dice

[ancient wedge]

Just keep gambling

[livid girder]

no vosfor

[ancient wedge]

It's ok to be poor /j

[livid girder]

wait nvm i got 3k again

16 rolls this time

arcane escapist x2
arcane universal fallout x1
arcane hot shot x1

[ancient wedge]

Btw I've been testing the new reworked Smite on Limbo and I think this is the new way to play him

[faint prism]

This genuinely made me read the tips and apparently if I have Iron Skin on and use my 4, Rhino Charge does increased damage with the addition of also proccing blast too

[ancient wedge]

Yup

[faint prism]

I did not know this I'll be so honest

I finally found a use for Rhino's Charge 🥹

[fervent rapids]

always read the Tips

[faint prism]

Will do

[ancient wedge]

Charge was always good

[severe bough]

https://overframe.gg/build/198760/rhino-prime/shield-of-iron-parasitic-armor-rhino-1-million-iron-skin/

Thats a good one also everything explained down

[faint prism]

Oh

[ancient wedge]

But anyways new Smite is amazing with Limbo and pretty much fixes one of his biggest problems

[faint prism]

This is my build, I'm planning to add Arcane Fury so that my melee can synergize well with my primary and increase its damage output for all the statuses and allat

just waiting for the end of the month to get the next Umbra Forma

[severe bough]

Triumbra isnt that great also no need for Adaption you got your iron skin

[faint prism]

You've no idea how many times adapatation saved my dumbass from so many close calls

My iron skin would be gone and I'll get thrown on my butt and just get blasted

[haughty sparrow]

Does this mess with the status chance of your weapon or does it have its own status chance?

[mighty flare]

adaptation doesnt apply to overguard
you have no energy economy
triumbral is very inefficient on rhino

[ancient wedge]

It's a separate, guaranteed status

[fervent rapids]

the guaranteed status is just for the imbued element, not the weapon's innate damage

[severe bough]

Doesnt apply to your ironskin but when u have enough iron skin it wont go away

[past mesa]

Hi anybody got a phantasma build?

[haughty sparrow]

Nice

[ancient wedge]

You also don't need the health OR armor either when you can just go all in on overguard lol

[severe bough]

https://overframe.gg/build/374667/phantasma-prime/phantastic-phantasma-steel-path-face-melter-with-variant-options/

[livid girder]

is 350 energy really enough for 45% eff on Oberon? that's how much i have with Battery on

wait i just forma'd my Oberon nvm i gotta level him again LOL mb chat

[fervent rapids]

depends if you have a good Universal Fallout or not

[livid girder]

r0 rn

no plat to buy more with how much people are charging

[fervent rapids]

Dissolution has a 1999 pack now so could try that

[livid girder]

i spent like 10k vosfor and only got 1 fallout

[fervent rapids]

gamble more

[ancient wedge]

This is a build that im workshopping rn

[severe bough]

U get armor through the augment from the 4 and if u activate 3 you have about 1000k Energy

[livid girder]

Thanks!

[dusty summit]

I thought 1999 packs were useless with how many arcanes you get in missions. didn't realize they'd include fallout, I'm gonna gamble so hard tonight

[fervent rapids]

yeah it includes all the ETA Arcanes

[dusty summit]

that's awesome, what a great vosfor sink

is the Thornbak any good? I got it and it seems really mediocre. I didn't spot a unique perk or anything, is it really just a mid burst rifle?

[fervent rapids]

it is very much a weapon given for free at the start of the game

[mighty flare]

yes

[true mauve]

chat whats ur guys's gorgon incarnon builds?

[near vortex]

Natural Talent isn't needed if you use amber Archon shards to free up the mod slot

[lost hull]

No, use 5 tau cast speed AND natural talent

[near vortex]

The point of casting speed shards is that you don't use a mod slot on Natural Talent

[near vortex]

Is this general use or is it Defense specific

[lost hull]

Forgo animations

[ancient wedge]

General use

[near vortex]

Don't run narrow minded for general use

Limbo's best stat is range

Overextended is an easy slot

[lost hull]

This update made it better too

Range

[near vortex]

You also don't need that much strength, even with the negative strength from Overextended you could slot Molt Augmented over Energize to get back to 100% over time

Rapid Resilience is also excellent for survivability, highly recommend it

[ancient wedge]

So a few things:

1. Negative range on Limbo helps make him less vulnerable to null bubbles, plays better with teammates, especially ppl who hate Limbo's rift, and makes his cataclysm more targeted.
2. The high strength is to be able to take advantage of Rift Torrent

[ancient wedge]

His animations are painfully slow even with a full stack of tau yellows

I also dont have a full stack of tau yellows

So whenever they make shards tradeable lmk

[grave cloak]

simply play around limbo's rift

[ancient wedge]

Gonna test this

[frigid crater]

Anyone got a banshee prime build?

[brazen berry]

is there any news about the basmu augment? what does it do?

[dusty summit]

what's your guy's favorite archgun, has it changed with the arcane update?

mines the mandonel, but I might start using the arbucep

[velvet pulsar]

Basmu health threshold: 1350
Hema: 720

A feeble attempt to promote health tank

[autumn bane]

That hema looks goated

[crisp pine]

well this is a problem. I am trying make my mesa more survivable (it is currently really really hard to make this thing live) But i somehow made less survivable with aegis, fast deflection + vigilante vigor to have a less attentive shield gater

Kind want to make give up and make DR mesa instead of shield-gating one

[novel bear]

Do you have secondary fortifier?

[crisp pine]

yes but I am not using it as I am pretty sure the overguard i get from it would not exactly last that long and my build is pretty set on outburst

[novel bear]

By the time enemies chew through 15k overguard fast, a single eximus is enough to fill the cap several times over

It’s very effective survivability for mesa

[crisp pine]

does it have to be on the regulator or i can put outburst/fortify on something else?

[novel bear]

Pretty sure both only apply to the weapon they’re on

[autumn bane]

How do you calculate critical chance?

[crisp pine]

which make this a problem as my setup is outburst based the dagger and all

[quiet laurel]

with additive crit: [weapon crit chance] * (1 + [multiplier 1] + [multiplier 2] ...)

[novel bear]

There’s an extra 1 in there

[quiet laurel]

I forgor

[autumn bane]

Can you give an example sorry

[quiet laurel]

with a weapon of 20% crit chance and a 200% crit mod modded:
20 * (1 + 2) = 60

so you have a 60% crit chance

[autumn bane]

Ohhh I see it now. So what about sources like avenger? You just add anl flat amount yes?

[novel bear]

Yes

To the 60

[quiet laurel]

after the equation

[novel bear]

Incarnon buffs often add crit before the equation, but they’re currently the only source of that

[autumn bane]

Thanks alot 😂. I wanted to calculate my final cc from that hema aug and I was stuck. Appreciate it alot 🙏🏾

[crisp pine]

Damn even the DR version of mesa just dies so quickly

[lapis bone]

I Need some advice what's better on gyre red shards or purple for ability strength

[clever ivy]

Does anyone have any nokko builds that have speed, but doesn't sacrifice his other stats?

[crisp pine]

what you mean

[clever ivy]

Like I want him to be fast, but I also don't want him to die immediately cuz of low health or sheild

Or like, has extremely weak abilities

[crisp pine]

question, would full topaz shards be good sub for outburst?

[novel bear]

You’ll get a lot less crit damage
But I run mesa with fortifier and topaz and am generally fine for damage until very high levels

[crisp pine]

geeee. Mesa actually is mid tier frame. Like compare this to the now BUFF oberon, dante, and maybe nokko. 3/4 of mesa's kit is stupid outdated.

[high onyx]

hi, is phenmor riven even worth using?

[red canopy]

I would do a petition for rush to be an archon mod and give 60% sprint speed while the extra would be 24% abillity efficency

[quiet laurel]

thats not how archon mods work

archon mods have the same stats as primed mods with the addition of a base elemental condition that results in smth being procced

[red canopy]

Oh lol

[crisp pine]

Hot Take: mesa is kind of overrated frame with outdated kit and dies too easily in SP. The only thing going for her is her aimbot nuke.

[ancient wedge]

You probably suck

And thats ok

[red canopy]

Didnt know about that but the concept would still be there.

A mod that gives 60% sprint speed boost and 24% abillity efficency

[near vortex]

He's no longer vulnerable to Nullifiers

You don't need high strength if you have range to rift more enemies for Rift Torrent

And even then, a 2000% Rift Torrent boost will do the same thing as a 4000% rift Torrent boost but look cooler

[crisp pine]

I tried many combinations of building survivability into the frame and it always just dying. The other issue is that if you try to build survivability, its damage will falloff...etc.

[near vortex]

The only reason you'd want negative range is for Defense

[ancient wedge]

2 words

Secondary Fortifier

[near vortex]

Two normal yellows is one Natural Talent
5 tau yellows is like 3.5 natural talents or so
I guess if you really feel the need for the extra casting speed you can go ahead, but I don't think it's worth the mod slot

[crisp pine]

it is so exmius dependent. I have not found single eximius on my trial run and you kill so much slower than before.

[near vortex]

were you playing on star chart

[mighty flare]

Mesa is overrated but not her survivability

[ancient wedge]

I literally dont have any issues with survivability with this setup

I probably dont even need Guardian either

[near vortex]

I've not played Mesa so I can't say lol

[quiet laurel]

mesas survivability so easily fixable by just going passive gating fr fr

[crisp pine]

that what i am currently using and i am running into problems.

[quiet laurel]

subsume omamori if you are struggling

could also go 4 augment and roll

you should have enough dps to kill most things before spraying you down

[near vortex]

I need to build a Koumei
I saw a cold elemental ward tank build on Overframe and now I really want to try it

[ancient wedge]

This setup shreds ngl

[dusty summit]

Mesas always been overrated lol. but I like watching people play her because they always die to eximus. its worth having a bad teammate

[near vortex]

Now put on Breach Surge

[mighty flare]

Gyre runs either ability dmg on electric for caster dps or primary electric% for weapon platform

[near vortex]

Limbo's best friend is a glaive

[ancient wedge]

Im using Smite

[near vortex]

Glaives double dip the Rift Torrent boost

[near vortex]

Oh yeah I guess they made Oberon Smite really strong

Apparently no longer counts as a weapon though

[ancient wedge]

Nope, but makes eximus a non-issue now

[near vortex]

I mean I just vibe with secondary Fortifier to kill Eximus units

[mighty flare]

You didn’t really run boosters except nourish cuz it did so much

[ancient wedge]

The difference is you can cast it on enemies outside of the rift while you're inside

[near vortex]

You can Rift Eximus enemies yk

[ancient wedge]

Sure but it makes you way safer

[near vortex]

Actually not really any difference

Eximus can still only get you with abilities

[ancient wedge]

Right but my point is that Smite invalidates overguard while being safe inside the rift

[velvet pulsar]

Smite limbo is a good synergy

[near vortex]

So would Fortifier, and you don't need a subsume

High strength might as well run breach surge and hit damage cap

[ancient wedge]

Well I cut the strength down to base lol

[near vortex]

oh I thought you were still high strength

either way, Smite just sounds redundant to me

[gray quarry]

Cast smite to strip OG, rift them, stasis them, they can’t do anything

[velvet pulsar]

Smite nuke doesn't require high strength if ur hound or diriga is bypassing rift via manifold bond viral priming

[near vortex]

You can Rift them while they have Overguard, Fortifier kills overguard and you have the same effect without a subsume

[velvet pulsar]

And with smite u don't need rifting

[gray quarry]

Yes but stripping outside is safer

[near vortex]

There's literally zero difference between stripping outside or inside

[velvet pulsar]

U press shift, spam smite with a manifold bond primer, and forget about enemies or allies getting messed by rift

[near vortex]

Either way, the only way they can threaten you is with their Eximus abilities

[velvet pulsar]

Ur squads will not be crying about it

[crisp pine]

i might do that on that build as that would the good solution. My only problem is the energy usage is absurd right now. I am not even using blind rage and it cost a fortune to use mesa's ablilties

[gray quarry]

You risk taking a hit when you strip inside, since they’re shooting at you before going into the rift

[near vortex]

Stasis freezes bullets that are in the rift

[velvet pulsar]

Beams

Hitscan

[crisp pine]

second problem. I have. mesa is ultra energy hungry iniately

[gray quarry]

Random eximus ability

[near vortex]

Lmao

[near vortex]

Eximus abilities go cross rift so those don't matter either way

[velvet pulsar]

Dang DE should buff Statis Field to limbo's rift lvl

[gray quarry]

Dang, limbo needs to be nerfed

[velvet pulsar]

Also it has 300 projectile limit

[near vortex]

So don't let them sit and mag dump you for too long

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder if beams count

[gray quarry]

I feel like beams should count for like 20

[near vortex]

The frame is so strong but nobody wants to play him

[gray quarry]

You right, limbo needs 20 health and 2 shields

[velvet pulsar]

I play him for his 3rd augment and 1st augment

Also I have well of life subsume on one of his configs coz defense objectives healing cap can be bypassed by well of life

Also pool of life allows limbo to cheat even further in index

[gray quarry]

Nidus’s subsume should be his 4

[velvet pulsar]

Maybe I should try mind control susbume on him

[near vortex]

2 shields would be kinda broken ngl
Crazy shield gate

[gray quarry]

Healing pool that heals defense objectives

[gray quarry]

Dang you right, no shields

[near vortex]

Well of Life plus Zymos is the smoke since the bees cross rift

[velvet pulsar]

I literally have this loadout

I named it peak defense

[near vortex]

Beehive Limbo

[gray quarry]

Go my bees!

[dusty dragon]

You know those archon shards that increase ability damage if the enemy has a status effect? If the ability inflicts that status, is it affected by the archon shard immediately or does the status have to be there before the damage?

[gray quarry]

Immediately iirc

[crisp pine]

anyone have any suggestion in fixing the energy problems with mesa?

[novel bear]

Equilibrium

[crisp pine]

i have that and still running super low on energy

[ancient wedge]

Zenurik focus tree, Nourish helminth, Equilibrium/purple archon shard

Take your pick

There's so many ways to sustain energy is ridiculous

Post your build

[crisp pine]

Dr version:

[gray quarry]

Nourish equil should be plenty

[ancient wedge]

Yea lol

[gray quarry]

It’s plenty on my valkyr(ik not the same but both are killing everything)

[ancient wedge]

I personally have Nourish and use Zenurik when running Mesa

[gray quarry]

I think I use 2 purple shards for equil actually

[crisp pine]

"should" but I am not sure but all my frames that have that need even more as I would end up spamming ablitkeis

[ancient wedge]

I posted it already but

[gray quarry]

Ah that’s the difference, ability str

[ancient wedge]

Are you just jamming down her 4 until you run out of energy or

[mighty flare]

Nexus doesn’t work for her regulators and you don’t need energize with equilibrium

[gray quarry]

Nah I found the problem, nourish wants strength, you’re running none

[crisp pine]

i am reapplying all her buff and going in and out of her 4 to do so. I often have to reposition with the 4

[crisp pine]

trust me, I keep running out of energy without energize

[gray quarry]

Drop vigilante vigor and streamline for blind rage and augur secrets

[ancient wedge]

Nourish's energy multiplier scales with ability strength

[gray quarry]

Actually wait, I just saw fast deflection, drop that and vigilante vigor instead

[crisp pine]

if I drop vigor and fast deflection is are need for the passive shield gating for that build. I was trying to build surivaiblity there.

yes this build has both energy issue and survivabllilty issue

[gray quarry]

Lemme ask you, are you trying to shield gate or shield recharge with the build

You’ve got a shield recharge setup but with catalysing shields

[crisp pine]

yep that is the passive shield gating build setup

with shield recharger and guardian on the pet

it works on a number of the builds I have applied that

[gray quarry]

Drop catalysing shields then

Shield recharge doesn’t use cata shields

(I would know, I have tried it on either nezha or citrine, I think nezha)

[ancient wedge]

Everything here is wrong lmao just take more advantage of damage reduction, Shatter Shield is part of her kit for a reason and stacks with base armor and Adaptation

[crisp pine]

how much you think i would get in invul time if you i took it off compare with cat shield invul then?

[gray quarry]

Probably longer, how much idk

If you think you need more, redirection

[crisp pine]

from my calcs. 1.19 secs on 280 shields

[crisp pine]

that would be other build i have. DR build.

[gray quarry]

95% for a tiny bit of str(119%)that’s probably the better choice for base sp

[haughty sparrow]

Should i use archon mods on lavos? I'm currently using archon vitality and have been thinking of using archon continuity and maybe archon intensify also

[icy light]

Oh right. Arbuceps. Did someone get their hands on it?

What dmg types does it do?

[haughty sparrow]

All 6 of the dual type damages

[gray quarry]

Slot in redirection then

[icy light]

Arch Vita and Cont are good. I'd rec Arc Flow but then I remembered Lavos has no energy pool.

It's... a wasted slot for one effect tbh.

Arc Intensify tho. His 1 heals. If you have not subsumed it off?

[mighty flare]

only "useful" for specifically heat infusion stuff, otherwise used for health to ehp tank
so no you don't have to use it

[novel bear]

Flow’s effect is also awful

[icy light]

Totally useful on his 4's dmg and any heat infusions. right. Right?

[crisp pine]

problem... now it would be 1.95 sec gate but take 5.6 secs to recharge

[icy light]

You could technically do a tech with Lavos with setting up a cold thing and then transmuting the energy with the probes.

[haughty sparrow]

I mostly use heat, blast and toxin

[prime frigate]

Does someone have the proginator chart thingy for kuva and tenet weapons

[icy light]

But as I said. I'm not gonna recommend a flow for someone who does not have an energy pool.

[novel bear]

Universal fallout would be better by far

Frost doesn’t have much reason to use archon flow

[haughty sparrow]

The problem with that is it's only a 10% drop rate and only "IF" it is killed by a cold damage ability

[icy light]

[prime frigate]

Archon flows just a bad mod

[prime frigate]

With a 10 second cooldown 😭

[gray quarry]

take off augur secrets and slot in fast deflection, I realized I was giving bad advice for the shield recharge setup

[haughty sparrow]

For real,it needs a higher drop chance or it's cooldown removed

[prime frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423566757494390894/1426164543247224853/meme.gif

That’s the whole set up

[gray quarry]

They were running everything but omomori, but also had cata shields

[icy light]

Deus misereatur nobis.

[prime frigate]

Cat shields is fine tbh. It gives the 1.33 with any sheild amount

[gray quarry]

@prime frigate

[icy light]

I am out of my sanity. Deal with your flow yourself. On an energy-less frame.

[gray quarry]

For shield recharge? Also tryin to up the ability str for nourish

[crisp pine]

geee I wish I have the heminth abilty it going to be 4 day before i get it

[gray quarry]

Koumei takes a day and a half

[prime frigate]

I mean if you have the mod slots might as well
I don’t know much about peacemaker mesa builds to be honest, haven’t tried it in a while

[prime frigate]

It would only be 2.5 days

[gray quarry]

idk what to suggest I haven’t played mesa

[icy light]

Her 4 is los. Duration and str is generally the best.

[mighty flare]

?

[icy light]

LOS within the Iris the UI spawns.

[prime frigate]

Perfect, thanks

[gray quarry]

That’s alot of blue

[velvet pulsar]

BTW Mesa's regulators can equip Energizing Shot but their advantage is either stacking with ur own pistol's Energizing Shot or they can proc it themselves if u have some sort of enemies explode on death like Nova casting her 4.

[icy light]

What was energizing shot btw?

[prime frigate]

Magnetic goated

[icy light]

That a uh. Arbi mod?

[gray quarry]

I believe so

[icy light]

And it... stacks?

I thought they patched it when they fixed Psuedo Exalts. Hopefully.

[icy light]

Ik Mesa already had exalteds. But this is like the Titania Melee Statstick all over again.

[gray quarry]

Equil but only for energy orbs

[velvet pulsar]

U read it wrong, they ENABLED it for exalteds

As per MY request

[icy light]

I was talking abt the stacking

[prime frigate]

Does Mesa specifically target them with peace or nah?

[gray quarry]

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah IDK about that, sentinels don't stack it

[novel bear]

No

[velvet pulsar]

I was THE ONLY guy who asked for it

[prime frigate]

Aw

[gray quarry]

lies

[haughty sparrow]

Wait does mesa target energy orbs with this mod equipped?

[velvet pulsar]

Nope, however if u have a nova teammate casting her 4 then u directly proc it

[velvet pulsar]

@haughty sparrow

[prime frigate]

That seems a tad bit cope

[haughty sparrow]

Oof

[velvet pulsar]

However it still has advantage of double stacking on ur regular pistol

[velvet pulsar]

I have a forum post to prove that

[gray quarry]

Then show proof

[icy light]

That seems a bit... whats the word. God that word. It literally requires a nova to be present doing her exact speedy thing to be doing that

[prime frigate]

Cope

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/sVEKd_mjmkU?si=fdbPBPoopdEfkC7D

[prime frigate]

The word is cope

[mighty flare]

copergizing shot

[novel bear]

She could be doing her slow thing

[icy light]

You said that it stacked with pistols right? Just run it on your pistol and then do a regular peacemaker build. Dont be doing all tgat

[velvet pulsar]

What r u gonna equip on ur exilus?

Peacemakers have only supress as other option

[prime frigate]

Bro just synth deconstruct equilibrium or something at this point

[velvet pulsar]

Also BTW this is not limited to nova

[icy light]

USE SUPPRESS. Literally benefits Mesa who is otherwise loud.

[prime frigate]

Needing a second teammate to begin with is sketchy

[velvet pulsar]

Literally anything that can make "enemies explode on death"

[gray quarry]

Alr

[velvet pulsar]

Nova is just one of the example

[prime frigate]

Does any spectre use one of those abilities

[gray quarry]

Does blast grab the orbs

[velvet pulsar]

Nope

[prime frigate]

Or do you literally just need a pocket nova

[velvet pulsar]

Honestly, at that point protea specter is better choice

This is literally a niche option for ur peacemakers exilus

[gray quarry]

0/10 mod

[prime frigate]

Eh, I’d rather just save the plat and not buy an exilus slot at that point

[velvet pulsar]

"niche"
That's the word you're searching for
Cope is SUPRESS coz u r literally helpless for anything else

[prime frigate]

Cope is requiring another player to be using a limited set of frames with a specific ability in order to have your interaction sometimes work

[novel bear]

Just don’t spend the exilus adapter

[velvet pulsar]

Besides the day game brings anything which could makes "enemies explode on death" for mesa, that day everyone will run back to this mod

[prime frigate]

Real

[novel bear]

Both are pointless

[velvet pulsar]

If u r spending on exilus, then u gotta be aware of ur options
Otherwise just save it

[velvet pulsar]

Besides the real deal here is titania getting access to this mod

Imagine never needing to touch the ground again

[novel bear]

Does it work for hildryn?
Yellow shards do

[velvet pulsar]

AoE by DE standards

"non-AoE"

Mod says

[novel bear]

Ah

[velvet pulsar]

They didn't even listen to me for enabling it for Dante's book

[novel bear]

Makes sense

[velvet pulsar]

They think it's AoE

[gray quarry]

Alt fire probably counts

[velvet pulsar]

Titania double stacking works both ways for this mod

One energy orb gives her 80 energy per shot

[velvet pulsar]

Hildryn literally cannot equip this

They only enabled this to be equipped for Titania and for some reason, Mesa

Enabling this for Mesa was DE move

I made it work the way I can find

Majority of exalteds are AoE

None of the primaries got access to Mending Shot

Also how's primary crux working out for Larkspur people?

[velvet pulsar]

Does Larkspur's beam homing prevent u to get headshots?

[prime frigate]

I believe so

[velvet pulsar]

That's... not so convincing but alright

[mighty flare]

aggressive targeting so just aim upwards or from above

[velvet pulsar]

Well that's rather suggesting to use primary blight

Atleast it'd be more convenient.
Thx for clarifying that it focuses for the center of mass

BTW is Sabot Rounds overrated for Larkspur?

[sonic horizon]

Does anyone know of a decent slash build for the coda motovore, as the one Im currently using isnt cutting it anymore.
Get it not "cutting it anymore!? (I hate myself for this joke now.)

But I do seriously need a new build, as I want to update it because of the archgun arcane stuff.

[sage depot]

If the main beam punches through a target and hits another one, can it chain from them too?

I’d say it’s worth it if it can, but if not probably meh

[gaunt wasp]

Quick question, what’s better, Molt Augmented or Arcane Bellicose?

[near vortex]

Bellicose has higher potential but you have to be playing a certain frame for it

[gaunt wasp]

stares at my Kullervo understandable

[near vortex]

Kullervo can sort of use it but I don't know if it would be any better then Molt

Lemme look

[sage depot]

I think you need 3000 health to max out bellicose’s effect, right?

[gaunt wasp]

With a blast modded weapon, and a tauforged topaz shard, I can in fact reach the max 72% additional

[near vortex]

Yeah to max it out, but it becomes better then Molt Augmented at a slightly lower level

[near vortex]

Well there you go

Bellicose is what you want to run then

[sage depot]

Yea

You need 2500 max health to match augmented’s power strength bonus, anything above is better

[gaunt wasp]

While sitting at a 63% without using the topaz’s effect

Wait, I just realized what if you use both Augmented and Bellicose at once? I feel that’s unnecessary, but that’s a 132% additional with max in both

[sage depot]

I mean you could

[near vortex]

I don't see why not if you don't have anything else to slot there

[gaunt wasp]

Well, considering my primed flow ain’t maxed, I’m running arcane battery to pick up the slack, so…

[sage depot]

Fair enough

[novel bear]

For a lot of missions molt is bad, because you’re not getting 250 kills before it’s over
Bellicose can be better if you want strength from the start

[gaunt wasp]

Both have uses and situations

[grim dome]

for melee influence, when you have electric on the weapon, whats the criteria for deciding between blast/gas ?

[granite ginkgo]

both need groupin

blast proc per hit and gas is DoT per area

[fathom sky]

You don't. You just use pure Elec. Dual Ichor only goes Gas Elec because it has to cope with the innate Toxin

[grim dome]

huh, I see

[fathom sky]

Or how Okina has to cope with Blast Elec

[grim dome]

I thought electric didnt scale as well as the other two did

[fathom sky]

Gas is awful by itself

Easily second worst DoT

[grim dome]

whats the worst ?

[mellow nest]

Toxin probably

[fathom sky]

Slash

Toxin is good because Corpus exists

[mellow nest]

I disagree, you dont use the dot to kill corpus

Imo anyways

[fathom sky]

Yeah but it's not like you can separate the proc from the damage type here

[grim dome]

wasnt slash viral the meta for like half a decade before the heat buff, how did slash get to be worse than gas

[mellow nest]

Slash used to be king since it ignored armor and you could proc huge slash dots with Buzz Kill etc

But that was dmg 2.0

[grim dome]

wait what, it doesnt ignore armor anymore ?

[fathom sky]

Enemy armor capped at 90 percent and higher health pools for enemies to compensate for that

[mellow nest]

You now have a ton of ways to ignore or reduce armor is the thing

[fathom sky]

Incorrect, it still does. Jsut doesn't matter as much when the armor for enemies only go up to 90%

[grim dome]

ah, I see

[fathom sky]

And also more health points

[grim dome]

gotcha, thanks for explaining all that to me

[finite warren]

there was a yt shor abt a duriga build but the vid got removed yall know the build? it contained:

Thermite rounds
rime rounds
manifold bond
malignant force
arc coil
and there was one more that made the health and enery collected better

equilibrium i think

[toxic swan]

People still cowbarf for melees? What does melee builds look like right now?

[fathom sky]

Basically the same but Influence now

[astral tinsel]

cowbarff is out, crabsweat is in

[dense geode]

gas or pure elextric arca titron

[astral tinsel]

Pure electric

[dense geode]

i see

[toxic swan]

If I want to drop BR and WW what would be good in their places?

[fathom sky]

Weapon?

Because you need a DAMN good excuse not to use BR and WW

[toxic swan]

Just for general use, nothing specific

[fathom sky]

Then you just don't drop BR and WW.

[radiant cradle]

anyone have a good build recommendation for kuva twin stubbas?

[near vortex]

True, but like
they wouldn't be asking about it if they didn't want to run it

[lapis star]

What's. Good subsume for grendal

[hearty scarab]

@latent adder

Do you remember the formula for the optional CC for CD/vice versa

I forgot which way it went

[midnight horizon]

What's that

[solar reef]

just dont subsume on him

his whole kit works together

[real adder]

Hey guys would running carrier be good with archguns? Does ammo case work with heavy ammo?

[novel bear]

Breach surge or roar with gastro

[shell tundra]

On a Larkspur Prime build, I have a riven that gives me +0.5 Multishot and leaves me with a 2.6x CD before Tenacious Bond. Is the extra multishot worth the considerable drop in CD?

[smoky widget]

for fulmin prime semi and auto

[jolly sand]

looking for a good kronen prime rive. Is this worth?

[ancient wedge]

Solid

[celest moss]

I've heard that the Mausolon is the best archgun, is that accurate?

[fathom sky]

For most things, yeah. If you speedrun PT and have a very good Riven, I think Velocitus can be ever so slightly faster but it's really not worth it

[celest moss]

Alright, awesome. Is this a decent build, then?

About to sink my first archgun adapter onto it

[small kraken]

Any thoughts, critiques, or changes I should make?

[gray quarry]

Nah looks pretty good

[small kraken]

Thanks.

[hearty scarab]

Oh you’re alive

[midnight horizon]

Course I am

[mighty flare]

Are you building for PT or just want this thing good for general or like ETA

[jolly sand]

Here is my kronen prime build. I still feel like i am not doing enough damage however. Can someone tell me where i am going wrong? (returning player and i forgot how to mod).

Riven is 121.6% crit chance and 96% melee damage.

[celest moss]

Good for general, I don't know the benefits of running PT quite yet so I don't do it

[mighty flare]

Then you’d want to build for viral heat with magnetic

[celest moss]

Alr, I'll see what I can do- thanks :3

[covert cedar]

How do I build kullervo

[chrome badge]

quick question is koumei's passive supposed to work on incarnon forms?

[grave cloak]

focus on range, keep duration and strength positive

[midnight horizon]

Why wouldn't it work

[midnight horizon]

Positive range + his new augment

Everything else is up to preference

[chrome badge]

Idk im using it on a cestra incarnon but it doesn’t work consistently

[covert cedar]

Witch augment

[midnight horizon]

The new one. Recompense something something

[midnight horizon]

Idk about that then, I haven't used her in a while and have never used cestra

[mighty flare]

doesnt work in general missions?

[chrome badge]

Haven’t tested in general but it was a bit inconsistent in simu

[midnight horizon]

Simu usually has bugs anyway

[mighty flare]

Koumeis passive has been buggy in simulacrum since release

you have to just reset the simu

[tawny nova]

Hey guys I'm going after a Kuva Secondary and was wondering if I should go after the Brakk or Stubba?

[gray quarry]

Nukor

[tawny nova]

Already got it lol

[grave cloak]

neither is really good but brakk can be funny with cascadia empowered

[gray quarry]

Why not have 5

[tawny nova]

Cuz I spent all my plat on Ember and Valk heirloom skins and now I ain't got no more plat for weapon slots. I only have 1 more weapon slot left 😭

[gray quarry]

You got the nukor at 60%?

[tawny nova]

26.5%

[midnight horizon]

You should up that

[gray quarry]

go get nukor.

[tawny nova]

Requires another nukor any % to be 60?

[gray quarry]

I forgot the math on it but I think it takes the higher % of the 2 and adds a bump onto it, I forgot how much of a bump, requires another I think atleast 2 to get to 60%

[tawny nova]

Ah kk

[gray quarry]

(I should go get my nukor to max 60% but 1. I cba to do kuva liches and 2. I’m not using nukor)

[velvet pulsar]

I maxed my cycron easily

Tenet farm really is forgiving

[tawny nova]

I'm pretty new to liches, got the nukor first then got a HEK today. Haven't given the bonus that much thought lol

For a sec I thought the bonus % was pure Fixed RNG meaning you had to farm enemies until you got a weapon that had 60%

[gray quarry]

Nope, valence fuse exists. Element of any you get for valence fusing doesn’t matter

[still vessel]

im new and i have all these, can smn lmk what ones i should be using on a max rank syam?

[novel bear]

Multiplies the highest value by 1.1, rounds up from 58 to 60

[gray quarry]

Depends on the weapon

[still vessel]

a syam

[tawny nova]

Are you able to change the element one time only?

[still vessel]

the sword

[novel bear]

No

Infinite

[gray quarry]

Later on you can get an item that lets you change the element infinitely

[tawny nova]

Cool

[gray quarry]

Ah out of my wheelhouse

[novel bear]

Pressure point, reach, organ shatter, you’ll probably get true steel soon, and one of the elemental damage mods, doesn’t matter which yet

[still vessel]

also got all these for my vectis, i was using serration, depleted reload and fast hands

[astral tinsel]

You should use elemental mods pretty much always

[hearty scarab]

CC CS VIRAL(TOX + COLD)

[solar reef]

not on syam

[hearty scarab]

FR

[solar reef]

not worth it imo

[hearty scarab]

Generic stuff

[solar reef]

The goal of Syam is to just one shot things regardless, which is why viral should be offloaded

[hearty scarab]

Bro he’s talking about Vectis 😭

[grim ether]

what do u need for a primer diriga?

[solar reef]

ah, missed that, i just saw his post for syam earlier

[hearty scarab]

As for Syam it can do like 2 things or influence not influence lol

[astral tinsel]

If that's your game plan, elemental mods are another damage multiplier to help you get there

Even raw damage builds use elemental mods

[solar reef]

its only really worth running elemental (aside from heat) on syam if you plan on running influence, which requires THREE elemental mods

[still vessel]

?

[hearty scarab]

Influnce Syam is kinda annoying to run lowkey

-ish

[solar reef]

^ i rolled specifically for a gas riven just to save on slots

[astral tinsel]

The only kinds of builds that don't that I can think of rn are all-in status builds utilizing innate slash or secondary elements

[still vessel]

i js use that sword and uh a sniper its called vactis

[astral tinsel]

(aside from heat)

[solar reef]

heat is its innate element for its heavy attack

[hearty scarab]

I mean no matter what you do you’ll likely run an elemental mod with a damage mod since they’re multiplicative to each other

[solar reef]

making it the exception, as it won’t blatanly interfere with which status it applies

[astral tinsel]

If you want to utilise the status for damage, you should mod for heat

[solar reef]

Heat being the best on the off chance you don’t armor strip

[hearty scarab]

Also reminder

CO is multi on syam on its shock wave thing

With damage mods

[solar reef]

Which is why you need a primer

(you dont need one at the low level hes at though)

[hearty scarab]

Rare instance of not needing elemental but it would still help but there are better options

For any other weapon that is

Same reason you see CO killing blow syam

or CO PPP

[mighty flare]

work towards getting condition overload and corrupted charge

[solar reef]

whats corrupt charge again

is that just IC

[mighty flare]

ic

[hearty scarab]

Unless you’re doing like corrosive Stan

Syam*

Then obviously you’d need elementals

There’s uhhh Heat Syam corrosive Syam and gas/blast electric syam

[mighty flare]

earlyish syam ?

[hearty scarab]

Yeah

Empty slots like uhhh

Elementals since they can’t run anything else rn

I’d probably go corrosive

[tardy lily]

Toxic and blast
Or
Corrosive and heat

What's better

[hearty scarab]

Can’t do heat and blast

[solar reef]

you cant run heat and blazt

[still vessel]

🫡

[hearty scarab]

So the only option lol

[tardy lily]

Ment toxic

[hearty scarab]

Corrosive heat

Tox blast is rare

Example like temple being one instance

[near vortex]

blast tox torid

[hearty scarab]

Ew.

[solar reef]

the best combo is typically corrosive/viral heat, and in niche situations electric blast/gas

[hearty scarab]

Bro just run pure tox 😭

[tardy lily]

I refuse to use that brain rot gun no offense 😭🙏