builds-discussion

[woeful monolith]

A chance to give you invisibility but its not efficient imo

Because u are realisticly only killing onr enemy at a time

[edgy lance]

ohh i thoughrt u were talking ab the cyte subs

[woeful monolith]

No

I tried the invisibility build before didn't go well

That was shit

[lethal bison]

yknow

i think i can just go all in str like what i did with xaku but range

[woeful monolith]

Ohhhh @edgy lance i got a solution,use the build u got now then just use shade companion, as long as u stick to ur abilities to damage people u will be invisible

I know shade cannot prime eemies since it shouldn't for cloaking u

[undone dust]

duplex bond allows shade to prime with weapons without breaking invis

[woeful monolith]

Ohhh smart

[woeful monolith]

Tbh this priming method is meh...

[undone dust]

not really when you use sentinel weapons like helstrum or tazicor

[latent adder]

duplex shade tazicor is great

[woeful monolith]

true

[edgy lance]

wow thats really smart, thanks

[woeful monolith]

remember to not let your shade companion attack so remove the mod "assault mod" or " revenge" so u stay cloak but if u have duplex bond the clones will attack but not the main companion you got

i would say u are 90 percetn cloak because the cloak is not perfect.

Cloak will remain active for 3 seconds when enemies are no longer near. Moving near enemies again will sustain the cloak.
Has an ~8s cooldown after leaving any kind of stealth state, including Smoke Screen, Invisibility, Prowl and Arcane Trickery, but not Shroud of Dynar.

the enemies must be within 24 meters to stay cloak

[woeful monolith]

i still recommend my build because u got no armor strip abilities 😭

[solar reef]

scourge

[queen terrace]

I want to build vermisplicer, which should I do? Primary or secondary?

[hearty scarab]

I mean yeah

Level capping EHP is possible on every frame

If you cope hard enough

Is it more optimal than gating? No but it’s possible on every frame

@fresh haven bro what did u run for EHP tank rev again

Double back + eclipse/PA

And 1:1 Inaros build basically?

Maybe arcane blessing instead of guardian

[pale belfry]

You still need something avoid the dmg go through your HP

[hearty scarab]

Not really if you eat it

[pale belfry]

actually, that is pointless context, level cap is about try and try again

not that hard tbh

[hearty scarab]

Easiest EHP tanks for cap are probably Trinity and valkyr

[pale belfry]

both frame got shield

what are you talking about

valkyr even got an extra life with her passive

[hearty scarab]

Bro I just said 😭

[pale belfry]

both frame are brainless playstyle, idk what are you talking about

[hearty scarab]

Read

[pale belfry]

read what, valkyr and trinity is EHP tank ?

🤣

[hearty scarab]

Holy

[fresh haven]

iirc I didn't really have additional armor and health from mods cuz rev got low base values, but for arcanes I had blessing double back, and for shards I had either full armor, or full orange ones for max health

and for mods, i have everything that involved "get + damage reduction while in the air"

[hearty scarab]

Yes they are the easiest EHP tanks to run at cap

I never said they were the best option

[pale belfry]

It is shield frame

not pure HP frame

[hearty scarab]

Any frame can do it

[pale belfry]

what are you talking about again?

[fresh haven]

you don't play warframe correctly if you're not aware you can play things however you want, instead of having to rely on a single mechanic

[hearty scarab]

Bro 😭

How do you not know how to EHP tank

You can do it on literally anyone

Nidus Inaros Kullervo HILDRYN.

[pale belfry]

keep a thing simple

[hearty scarab]

Maybe not hildryn. Not sure

[fresh haven]

so playing rev torid falcor on every occasion ? lol

[pale belfry]

You can

why not

You say like i have never done level cap before, lmao

[fresh haven]

but does this mean you should ignore every other frame and mechanic ?

[hearty scarab]

Bro

[fresh haven]

that has nothing to do with my point lol

I'm saying you shouldn't question "why would you play this way"
instead it should be "how can I make this work"

[hearty scarab]

Rather than ignore I think they just don’t know the lengths of it

[fresh haven]

could be

[hearty scarab]

Probably thinks EHP tanking falls off after 200

[fresh haven]

just because shield gating exist, it doesn't mean u can go with other solutions

[hearty scarab]

Which in all fairness it does in optimal modding

[pale belfry]

Was never a good option, not "must play"

[hearty scarab]

But it can still work fine

[pale belfry]

You can barely run stug in level cap if you know to to build it

even you can run nidus level cap without effort if you know how to build properly

[fresh haven]

there's no "must play" in wf
it's just what you like to do

and if you like to ehp tank at cap, there's nothing wrong with it

[fresh haven]

well yes I've done it

[hearty scarab]

Bro you can do anything in this game

[pale belfry]

be [DE]

:v

[hearty scarab]

Also unironically nidus tanks cap really well lol

If you didn’t know

Any frame without an innate DR ability is harder to EHP tank cap with but is far easier with anyone else with the exception of Valkyr and Inaros Grendel and high shield frames since they have the ability to abuse their stats

[pale belfry]

If people ask for a build is oldbie, i do recommend it, i dont recommend try hard method for new people have not enough info to control the game.

[pale belfry]

You need to know how to avoid the dmg.

What you gonna do if you receive 1 mil dmg with 90% DR?

when you got no shield and have 1kHP

[hearty scarab]

You’re not gonna have just 90% 😭

More like 99.9 at least

Or 99%

Also most enemies at cap do between 250k-11mil max dmg

[pale belfry]

cacalute it when you run solo then

adaptation provide 90% DR on element dmg

some arcane provide armor and stuff

[hearty scarab]

Okay so you don’t understand how adaptation works either

It’s never gonna be truly 90% yknow that right?

[hearty scarab]

Scroll down why don’t you

[lethal bison]

rauta 12x combo per mag dump build is crazy

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-robot-gif-16129804491381586493

[lethal bison]

i don't think that thing can kill anything

like afentis

[solar reef]

it CAN kill, it just sucks at it

[pale belfry]

dont you see what i said "some arcane and stuff provide armor"

[lethal bison]

how come everyone uses harmony on kullervo

how about i use tatsu prime

[pale belfry]

harmony just fixed headshot dmg.

[hearty scarab]

So 2700 armor is about 90% DR let’s say adaptation is doing 50% of its job and put arcane double back on for 25%x3

[pale belfry]

And arcane afflictions no longer work on heavy unit like demolisher

[hearty scarab]

And then slap on eclipse

[pale belfry]

now, its just similar to other weapon.

even bad than my jat kittag

[hearty scarab]

You will take 0.00527344% of your original damage

[lethal bison]

real

[hearty scarab]

In other words

99.4727% DR

Which is the low end

Of EHP tanking

[lethal bison]

can it survive cap enemies

[hearty scarab]

Just armor 1 ability and arcanes

[pale belfry]

Low end, you sure.

[pale belfry]

obviously not.

You still get oneshot anyway

[hearty scarab]

Uh yeah? I’m not adding airborne DRs or any DR abilities

For context

[pale belfry]

You sure.

Spend all config for DR EHP tanking

[hearty scarab]

Ur 1mil dmg is doing

5k now which is easily tank-able

For Inaros for Kullervo and nidus

[pale belfry]

1ml /enemy

you sure again.

[hearty scarab]

Yes

[pale belfry]

There is not only one enemy on the map btw

[hearty scarab]

Bro healing isn’t a problem

You can insta heal anything with any type of lifesteal

Sancti magistar ez

Or healing Furis or panzer

[pale belfry]

well, end context.

Magistar mentioned, should end this here

[hearty scarab]

You don’t know what sancti magistar does?

It heals

[lethal bison]

i mean kullervo has gating spams with his daggers

so leave him out

[hearty scarab]

Yeah but this guy says it’s “not possible” when it obviously is

[lethal bison]

we talking about the real deal of nidus and inaros

[pale belfry]

just end this. I know how its work

[pale belfry]

where the "not possible"

you should screenshot that

[lethal bison]

gah i should need at least 2 formas for a rauta mag dump build

[hearty scarab]

Also 1Mil per enemy is unrealistic when a heavy gunner spamming is doing like 250k a bullet while a Thrax is doing around 2mil with a heavy swing

But the chance of you ever being hit by a heavy swing is like none

[lethal bison]

because someone at DE decided to put a single vazarin polarity to the gun

which i don't think of any mods besides savvy

[hearty scarab]

EHP tanking does suck but it’s not impossible at cap

You almost never get one shot unless you go afk

Ts has existed even before cascade bro

[pale belfry]

You could

[hearty scarab]

😭 ✌️

[pale belfry]

i dont do cascade

boring mode

[hearty scarab]

Then enemies are doing even LESS DMG 😭

[pale belfry]

"i dont need plat, no need mention"

[pale belfry]

Never.

[hearty scarab]

Since the only threat at cap is like the heavy hitters being blitz eximus and like

Thrax

Bombards tickle

All corpus tickle

All grineer units tickle

Infested tickle in general for EHP tanks

[pale belfry]

Imagine getting oneshot by infested and adaptation not stack fast enough

[hearty scarab]

Adaptation stacks to the full 90% since toxin damage by infested is usually 100% weighed toxin

Unlike grineer if they do like 40% slash dmg 60% impact/puncture

[pale belfry]

Okay

[hearty scarab]

You’d only get the 90% DR for the 40% slash

[pale belfry]

I hope everytime, people ask how to build

you should in here

and tell them build EHP tank instead shield gating

[hearty scarab]

Ironically if they ask for an EHP tank build sure

[pale belfry]

Why, you should recommend it on general

[hearty scarab]

Because I know what it’s like to EHP tank literally anything

[pale belfry]

Like you reply me

I dont say "cant do it" , but you try to prove something i already how it is

[hearty scarab]

Blitz eximus are tankable if you stack up blast stacks beforehand too but it’ll hurt a lot

That’s really mixed messages considering you repeatedly says you’d get Oneshot

[pale belfry]

You should do the same to other people 🙂

[hearty scarab]

When you obviously wouldn’t

[pale belfry]

Do people will build just for tanking stuff?

They dont focus the dmg output?

[hearty scarab]

Rarely but it works

[pale belfry]

🙂

[hearty scarab]

When has dmg output ever been an issue in the game bro

[pale belfry]

You just forgot alot thing that also important behind

[pale belfry]

A lot people care about the dmg

[hearty scarab]

Most guns nowadays can cap with just proper modding

[pale belfry]

That is why people post the config here and ask how to improve

and you just tell people focus about EHP tank

[hearty scarab]

Then again you’d get “Oneshot” at cap right?

[pale belfry]

Yes, i do alot, i used to run a lot on cap. Dont you?

I am a man

[hearty scarab]

EHP tanking isn’t for anyone jsut don’t spread misinfo

[pale belfry]

i never lie like someone

[hearty scarab]

Ehhhh

[pale belfry]

🤣

[hearty scarab]

Real good liar then

[pale belfry]

Yeah, you still get oneshot anyway.

[hearty scarab]

Anyway it’s easily possible to EHP cap with any frame if YOU can’t you cope

[pale belfry]

What is lie ?

[hearty scarab]

Okay so if I have 10k HP

With Inaros

[pale belfry]

just record 10 games, full run and send here

i dont care what you say

[hearty scarab]

0.00527344% of 1Mil

[pale belfry]

solo run

[hearty scarab]

With what frame

Inaros?

[pale belfry]

health frame like nidus

[hearty scarab]

Bro

[pale belfry]

10 games level cap

[hearty scarab]

Nidus is even easier 😭

[pale belfry]

not use his passive btw

[hearty scarab]

He has like twice the EHP of Inaros

At like 20k HP with innate DR ability

[pale belfry]

Yeah, run it

no vazarin allowed

10 games straight

[hearty scarab]

Cascade?

[pale belfry]

included infested run

[hearty scarab]

Ew

[pale belfry]

disruption + cascade

[hearty scarab]

I don’t have the time for distruption cap takes too long I’ll do cascade

[pale belfry]

disruption 7 games, 3 game cascades

[pale belfry]

so you scared?

[hearty scarab]

You in Cascade club?

I’ll post em there

[pale belfry]

cascade just boring, i dont do it

[hearty scarab]

I have things more worth my time than distruption bro 😭

[pale belfry]

the point to play cascade is plat

[hearty scarab]

Cascade takes liek 40-1hour

[pale belfry]

i dont need plat

[pale belfry]

so you scared?

[hearty scarab]

No Distruption is easier

Just takes longer

Not sure if you know that

[pale belfry]

with you proper build as well, you should run nidus on disruption necralis level cap

Show me you stug necramech disruption level cap

😎

use "stug" with your "proper" build

[pale belfry]

actually it is could be shorter if you are speedrunner

cascade just having low mid enemy

[hearty scarab]

Thats why I said it’s easier 😭

[pale belfry]

dmg from them was never my problem

Only reason people do that cap is plat

[hearty scarab]

I mean it clearly is if you’re running a gate

Ironic

[pale belfry]

i could run health tank

[hearty scarab]

What would you use

[pale belfry]

just use other method

not even need DR

[hearty scarab]

Okay so you’d die instantly

[pale belfry]

lmao

so after all, you cant prove anything right?

[hearty scarab]

That’s all the extent I needed really anyway gotta go back to work

[pale belfry]

aight, stop here.

[hearty scarab]

I’ll go in uhh what’s the local server Warframe called again

I’ll do that since it’s technically more threatening

Actually to keep accuracy I’ll spawn a few eximus and the battle group

You can test EHP tanks in there

[pale belfry]

It is kinda pointless to prove something btw.

It is not a real game.

There is a lot thing to control, not only about EHP tanking and enemy

[hearty scarab]

I mean I’d do those regardless of what happened

[fresh haven]

I think it's bannable so if u wanna do it, might not wanna say it here

[wanton swift]

gente que build de Banshee recomiendan? por que me interesa pero incluso con shielt gatting no logro que tenga una verdadera supervivencia

[mellow nest]

If you dont want to use Shield Gating then perhaps looking into a subsume like Eclipse (Mirage) is worth it. Alternatively you could do Nullstar/Neutronstar (Nova). Both are capped at 75% damage reduction.
Damage reduction scales with your armor, so youll come out at 82% damage reduction. That's ok but not amazing at high lvl.
I recommend you still use Augur Mods (+ Catalyzing Shields, which is optional)

[wanton swift]

¡ty

[bright sundial]

Hello everyone, please recommend the best AOE one-shot weapon, and a build if possible

[cunning spindle]

Kinda need a Reconifex build

[devout bridge]

garuda first hability

[fluid abyss]

I am rocking with the bow from new war but I am making 100k-300k per shot sometimes with specific enemies I could deal 1M but I am trying to reach more damage with Garuda prime red build, while my claws deal 16k - 60k per hit. I am currently rm9 and feel quite weak compared to 150lvl enemies, sometimes I gotta shoot them two times for the kill instead of the usually one. Any thoughts or suggestions

[mighty flare]

tf happened here

[devout bridge]

galvanize mods

arcanes

[fluid abyss]

Arcane I am using arcane vengeance or sum like that tier 3 and another one that I forget the name, and galvanize mods haven’t really gotten around it too much cause I just have three but idk for what I am looking for in them

Plus it says rm 14 and a lock

[devout bridge]

i use this

[fluid abyss]

How much is your dps?

[devout bridge]

well alway dead for one shot

[fluid abyss]

Like lvl 200 enemies or sum?

[glossy pivot]

Does anyone have a decent Nuke Eso Saryn build ?

[devout bridge]

yeah

[devout bridge]

only use the gun buffer version

[glossy pivot]

I have the gun buffer build thank you though! wanted something for a change to mirage/volt but thank you for your response ❤️

[devout bridge]

the nuke version It is no longer recommended

[digital cliff]

Hi guys anyone has a good gaus build ?

[cyan parrot]

What could've been....

[devout bridge]

1 sec

[devout bridge]

r

[digital cliff]

thank u so much its for third skill ?

[devout bridge]

use red tau for duration

It is for general use

[digital cliff]

im kinda new player which warframe u suggest

[devout bridge]

the nuke version only need range and duration

gauss revenant yareli protea nova

[signal saffron]

yo what riven would be best for the kuva nukor

[devout bridge]

I personally wouldn't use

but cd ms dmg and negative

[digital cliff]

how can i use forma for tau modes

[devout bridge]

tau mod?

[digital cliff]

i want to make forma for this sembol

[deep grotto]

Umbra forma

[devout bridge]

oh umbra

[deep grotto]

It has its own forma yeah

[devout bridge]

teshin

[deep grotto]

You get one from
Nightwave too I think

[digital cliff]

okay thank you

[devout bridge]

but it is rotating doesn't always sell the same thing every week

[deep grotto]

Huh?

No I’m talking about the pass rewards

I didn’t even know they were in the shop

[digital cliff]

what r u think about dante

[devout bridge]

so broken

so much that it bores

[digital cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

idk about new stones like red ones or orange ones has any guide video ?

[devout bridge]

in yt maybe

[digital cliff]

what r u think about pets

[devout bridge]

gods

[digital cliff]

do u have any suggest i dont like robot ones

[devout bridge]

chesa kubrow

panzer vulphafyla

[digital cliff]

which one is easy to make

[devout bridge]

chesa

[lavish depot]

smeeta kavat if you want to constatly revive your blessing bestowing creature

[lavish depot]

isnt the panzer easier bc its not rng based

[devout bridge]

I don't think I want to do wildlife in Deimos being new

[novel bear]

Panzer is absolutely rng based

You need one to spawn, and then get attacked by deimos wildlife

[cunning spindle]

I got one :D

[bright sundial]

Can anyone suggest a build for Ocucor for playing at high levels?

[lavish depot]

you’d usually stumble upon weakened wildlife just casually running bounties in deimos

[novel bear]

Which is still rng

And it still needs to be a panzer, when it will usually be a sly

[austere tide]

Thoughts on this? I was either thinking between rolling guard or overextended. I usually run the null star augment in the umbra slot but since I don't have arcane hotshot yet I'm running umbral for now. Eventually I'm gonna subsume her 2nd ability with nourish

[devout bridge]

Riven = primed heat mod

[bright sundial]

ty

[haughty sparrow]

Any suggestions?

[woeful monolith]

No need nullstar augment since exalted blade with heat moded to it count as a n ability heat status for ur arcane hotspot

[devout bridge]

Real name?

[haughty sparrow]

?

[devout bridge]

Is a parvos hound?

[haughty sparrow]

I crafted it from hound parts that dropped from liches,yes it's a hound

[devout bridge]

Ohh

I have no idea, I don't really use them

[haughty sparrow]

You should try em,they can prime basically any status effects you want with the right build

[devout bridge]

taxicor exists

:b

[woeful monolith]

if u have nourish on i recommend changing that viral to corrosive

[haughty sparrow]

I rarely use subsumes unless an ability is REALLY bad

But I'll make a config for corrosive

[elder condor]

Rrrrrrrrrrrate it

Btw I swaped mentor with Conditions instead

[fathom sky]

I'd ask for the Riven stats, but really it's a matter of "Just use Influence." Even barring that, why are you using Sacrificial when you can just go Galvanized Steel and Blood Rush if we're not going the whole generic CO BR WW setup?

Sac is kinda wasted when CO is already provided so much damage and you'd get way more crit running Blood Rush

[mellow nest]

How can I improve on this build? Against the murmur rn. Primary Merciless is a placeholder rn until I have max rank

Vigilante mods perhaps?

[fathom sky]

Are you getting Viral from elsewhere?

[mellow nest]

Ah good point lmao

Not really rn, I refuse to use Nourish. Ill look into companions

[fathom sky]

Yeah the +50% damage increase is not worth compared to being able to just double or more your damage. Can just mod Viral on the gun

[mellow nest]

true that

Aside that, any other tips?

[fathom sky]

Cleanse over PPB is the only other real thing.

[mellow nest]

fairs, might buy primed if it isnt that expensive

appreciate the help, thanks

[devout bridge]

Weapong?

[elder condor]

Glav steel aint much when I cant have high crit chance

[fathom sky]

...Which is why you use Blood Rush

Is your Riven CC CD Heat?

[elder condor]

Blood rush wont do me good with a weapon like this

[fathom sky]

What makes you think that?\

[elder condor]

Yeah

[elder condor]

Tested it, not good unless I have Sac steel still

I also got this build that has Blood rush

[fathom sky]

Okay now I'm really curious on the stats of the Riven. The point of Blood Rush is you need to keep your combo up so you still have the absurdly high CC. Even then, just being able to crit at all along with the higher CD would be a hell of a lot more damage.

[elder condor]

Look with out Sac Steel my crit chance goes from 160 to 88

[fathom sky]

The arsenal isn't affected by conditional effects like Blood Rush

Same thing happens with CO and Berserker Fury. You need to manually add that in when making builds.

[elder condor]

It is manually added

[fathom sky]

...what?

[elder condor]

Look scindo isnt really a good combo weapon ong

[fathom sky]

It's better a combo weapon than trying to heavy spam I know that much. It'd just do the regular light attack Tennokai setup

[elder condor]

I tried so many combo builds for scindo already. All failed

Heavy spam?

[fathom sky]

Spamming heavy attacks. Don't bother because heavy blade heavy attack is, ironically, not that good.

[elder condor]

Im not tryna heavy spam G, my heavy attack already is decreased by the riven

Never even tried a heavy spam build

[fathom sky]

Is your negative "Heavy Attack Efficiency?"

[elder condor]

Yeeeep

Even if it wasnt I dont use heavy spam

[fathom sky]

That doesn't affect heavy attack damage, just how much combo your heavy attack drains, which for a heavy spam build, doesn't matter because you're just using Initial Combo mods to get the multi from there. Just as a head's up whenever you do check out some heavy spam weapon

[elder condor]

Ong I rather not

[signal saffron]

why does ninjase go for magnetic here?

[fathom sky]

But back to this, your actual Crit Chance (assuming Blood Rush is fully stacked up) wouldn't be 160% but actually 191%.

[signal saffron]

as the progenitor?

[fathom sky]

With both R8 Blood Rush and Set Bonus 2 Sac Steel on it.

[signal saffron]

bcs then he adds another magnetic fire rate mod?

[fathom sky]

Just the least annoying to deal with when using combined elements and such. Far from a bad element nowadays since it can deal with Overguard, but I can see someone just Vicing and going Elec.

[signal saffron]

what if you just replaced magnetic strafe with a bassocyst riven that has like crit damage fire rate multishot

[fathom sky]

Terrible Dispo so I doubt you'd get one strong enough for that. Or get one that's worth paying an arm and a leg at least.

[signal saffron]

i feel like 43% crit dmg 65% multishot 43% fire rate is better than magnetic strafe or am i tripping

idc about money

[fathom sky]

Oh then sure probably

[warped osprey]

anyone have a good build for gauss

[granite ginkgo]

gotta, ask are u understand the gauss kit synergy overall?

[warped osprey]

i just got him so not really
im currently looking at videos to explain him

[granite ginkgo]

do u done TNW quest?

cuz u can unlock archon mod from content

The New War* quest

[warped osprey]

ive done all that

[granite ginkgo]

nice, here https://overframe.gg/build/591347/gauss-prime/electromagnetic-accelerator-general-use-sp-gauss-hybrid-weapon-platform-sunder-nuke/

[warped osprey]

id say im mid game rn

[warped osprey]

thx

[granite ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0eIyjPa-BY

tldr of gauss, just use 2 and 4 skill, and spam 1 and 3 (heat proc)

[warped osprey]

ight

[limber delta]

can you cure kubrow ADHD so that they actually attack things for more than 5 seconds when im invis

and is it normal for them to permanently lose the ability to be invisible mid mission despite appearing to be under its effect (im using prowl)

[granite ginkgo]

what stance u use on beast claw?

u do know beast have stance

[limber delta]

i tried balanced, assassin and protector

i think de did think about anti afk measures that prevent exactly what im trying to do

but them straight up becoming unable to receive invis mid mission doesn't seem intended

[forest jetty]

If you’re worried about that, it seems like you’ll need/want to swap back to a Sentinel Companion with Hush/Silent Battery/Suppress mod on the weapon. Also, regardless of how stealthy you are, enemies may still eventually react to the presence of fallen comrades and/or receiving damage, with regard to setting off alarms.

[limber delta]

all i need the invis for is for the doggo to not die

[zealous rapids]

Lately, i just put tons of bond mods, just to revive it faster

[tepid lodge]

smn have a good nova build for lvl cap?

[limber delta]

my ivara is purpose built for companions so i can just spam masters summons but damn

[novel bear]

Have you tried pack leader?

[limber delta]

pack leader requires you the player to hit enemies

even if it doesnt its not enough

gonna try covert bond instead for now

masters summons might be breaking something but idk

[scarlet stream]

how do we feel about this topaz on dante or jade? seems perfect

[limber delta]

like they're focus firing like she's wearing a high vis vest and a disco ball wth

[charred gale]

dont rly see it being worth on dante but jade sounds ok on jade if the glorys crit chance isnt shit

[granite ginkgo]

i used on mesa, best one to put beside speed cast

[mighty flare]

jade can run enervate which is equivalent to several of these
dante would want casting speed

[charred gale]

how much is the glorys cc?

[mighty flare]

15

[charred gale]

nvm then lmao

[scarlet stream]

yeah Im running ennervate so yeah makes sense. Dante has innate heat on noctua though, is it really not good?

[mighty flare]

if ur running enervate then theres even less reason to
although Dante's book got innate heat, he has other more valued shards

and some setups dont even run dps noctua

[scarlet stream]

oh well I certainly do lol

I think I have natural talent on him and casting speed seems like it doesnt need much more than that

[near vortex]

I like Roar Dante with Encumber Noctua to stack Impetus

That build is very fun

[mighty flare]

you usually run 2-3 casting shards to free up natural talent
then you have like 2 free to do whatever

[scarlet stream]

fair. I think I want more duration

[mighty flare]

duration would be more universally helpful

[scarlet stream]

so should I use the other 2 slots for duration or put continuity in the nat talent slot

[mighty flare]

2-3 casting
2-3 duration

i just run 2 since i always use madurai

[scarlet stream]

hm okay. I wonder what my free mod slot should get

[mighty flare]

parkour

[scarlet stream]

huh

[mighty flare]

schmooving is a dps increase

[scarlet stream]

lol

[mighty flare]

also this is just a crit chance mod
you'd have to slot several to make it worth

its just 15 final cc to noctua for each

[scarlet stream]

this is what Im running, minus natural now

does ability range affect buff range on allies?

bc if not then I dont think it matters too much

[mighty flare]

i dont like transient on dante with only continuity
you can derank vitality
impetus isnt good here, something like velocity or hot shot better

[scarlet stream]

was thinking of popping narrow minded in if range doesnt determine buff range

why isnt impetus good on someone who casts this often?\

[mighty flare]

are you running encumber?

[scarlet stream]

uh, merciless on noct

[mighty flare]

then not good, ur not getting many stacks

[scarlet stream]

fair, yeah encumber would go crazy

[mighty flare]

and if energy an issue, you could drop blind rage too

[scarlet stream]

energy is aight for now thanks to equil

[latent adder]

Impetus is good with encumber as long as youre not using nocfua for actual dps

[mighty flare]

noctua has weird formula i forgot exactly

[scarlet stream]

noctua is my dps here so thats a no go

[mighty flare]

do you remember what the thing about noctua was? was it how it used galv shot?

[latent adder]

Otherwise if u run galv shot for dps + encumber that part of the dmg equation doesnt scale off strength

[mighty flare]

ah that

[latent adder]

It scales off a fixed 200 base dmg

Instead of 350xstr

[scarlet stream]

yeah I think my noctua build is pretty good.

wow veloccity and hot shot are both low rank for me, damn

velocity would be wonderful though, since attack speed is the one thing I feel like Im missing on noct

[latent adder]

Yeah stack reinforced bond, furax amalgam, velocity, torrent

Since he has no reload

[scarlet stream]

the hell is furax amalgam

my build btw, got it off a really good video

[scarlet stream]

should I just pop augur message into the slot for now?

[near vortex]

Amalgam Furax Body Count

Free fire rate when you have the mod on your Furax

[scarlet stream]

huh, how very specific

good to know about that ty, Ill break out my furax

[near vortex]

Unless you have something you want to put in the melee slot already, that's an easy choice

[scarlet stream]

would that be good on jade too? Im currently using praedos on her for the parkour

[near vortex]

Yeah it would

[latent adder]

This is what i run https://overframe.gg/build/639677/noctua/farenheight-451-viral-heat-noctua/

[near vortex]

If you have Melee Crescendo you can actually do Outburst on your non exalted secondary iirc

Basically 2 Arcanes for your exalted secondary if you remember to use it

[scarlet stream]

that would require me to get use melee for a bit first though right and regularly put away noctua and pull out my secondary right?

[near vortex]

A little bit, but it would be a lot of damage

If you have Bronco as your non exalted secondary it makes finishers easy

Or you can do Grimoire on your non exalted secondary for tome mods

[scarlet stream]

Ill be honest with you, Im not gonna ever remember to put my book away

and with jade I am certainly not leaving glory on high lol

unless I run out of energy

[near vortex]

Yeah true ig

[scarlet stream]

This seems very doable on mesa though

[near vortex]

It's just something to keep in mind, Secondary Outburst is more then 3 mods worth of crit stats

[scarlet stream]

looks like Im gonna need to do some arcane farming...

[near vortex]

It's a Duviri arcane, so you can either vosfor gamble or play some SP Duviri

Or both

[scarlet stream]

aight so velocity, furax mod. Awesome ty. Uh, what should I put in my empty mod slot tho

[near vortex]

One of the Stretch mods

[scarlet stream]

what does range do for me

[near vortex]

As Dante? It makes your abilities have a higher cast range so your 3 hits more enemies

If you want to slot something else go for it, but idk what else you'd want there

[scarlet stream]

keep in mind I use noctua for dps, so range only really matters to me if it affects my buff range

[near vortex]

Hmmm

Idk, streamline or something
Maybe as you build your loadout you'll find something a little more valuable

Could always do Amars hatred for 15% strength ig

I'm all out of ideas

[scarlet stream]

how about message for the duration

[near vortex]

Sure

[scarlet stream]

lol alright ty

also amalgam furax is just passively active all the time?

bc thats wild if so

[near vortex]

Yeah it's just always active

If you don't have amalgam Furax it comes from Ropalolyst, but I'm guessing you have it

[scarlet stream]

I dont actually but Im gonna hunt the beast

[plain bobcat]

Would anyone be able to dm me a lex/ magister build (incarnon equipped)

[midnight horizon]

Hey man random question but has mystic bond always been triggering from arc coil? Iirc your diriga build before didn't have it on so I thought it mustve been updated recently

[latent adder]

I think so yes, mystic bond just optional on certain frames reallly

Cuz it interferes with active gate

[midnight horizon]

That's true. It does fit perfectly for my health tank frames though

[gaunt rivet]

Range does affect your buff range
At least, the ability-based buffs, like Light Verse, Triumph, and Wordwarden

No clue if it does anything for the tome mods you might have on Noctua

[scarlet stream]

ah okay thats what I was wondering ty

[signal saffron]

yo ninjase do u think bassocyst is a great primary to run with nyx absorb build or am i tripping? I have been figuring out primary weapons that fit the eleanor infested look i was going for. I tried tenet glaxion phage and torid but i am leaning towards bassocyst for fun what do u think?

[warped osprey]

is this build good or do i need to make changes
im still gonna polarize but i need to know what mods i need to remove and add

[latent adder]

yeah bassocyst seems pretty nice

[timber dagger]

Hey everybody. I slapped a gravimag on my archgun but can’t use it in archwing during normal missions. Do I need deployer for that? What did I miss?

[signal saffron]

great one more thing i am having trouble doing the massive mind control dmg buff of 50-90k%. My Ruvox is only allowing me to get the mind control target to around 3-4k% buff max

i am running ur build with weepin wounds too

[latent adder]

yeah its very dependent on grouping density

and enemies with enough bulk to survive the initial impact

[signal saffron]

i see

[latent adder]

alternatively might be easier to just shootem with a strong incarnon

[signal saffron]

so i think i am limited in the simulacrum

[latent adder]

like burston, furis etc

i just like ruvox for the double jump lol

and movespeed

[signal saffron]

true i figured a way to make the nyx build slightly better too

well i might be wrong but here

so i still have ur nourish one the same except swapping growing power for summoners wrath for double dip verglas blast DOT and mind control but the non helminth slam one

instead of having two duration crystals i put two strength ones so gets the 125% full armour strip and the motus signal gives 200% double jump strength bonus

i sent a video in here the other day of how funny the double jumps for nyx become

i managed to do 25 jumps in a ROW with nyx @latent adder but with the 200% strength it made it even greater

[latent adder]

ah lol

motus is a good idea

could probably just drop niras in exilus and use motus in exilus

[signal saffron]

yes true and still i dont really know what else to add to the build then

[latent adder]

some range for chaos i guess

[signal saffron]

i also wanna know what other subsumes would be good to put on instead of nourish even though nourish is so op

[latent adder]

more duration for mind control is nice too

[signal saffron]

i was thinking of dropping chaos because its so not used when im in absorb tbh and pyschic bolts does same thing as chaos in my opinion although idk

[latent adder]

yeah chaos is pretty useless outside of defense type stuff

[signal saffron]

i was thinkin of swapping it for another subsume but i didnt know exactly what

[latent adder]

mobility type stuff maybe

molt and firewalker make u move faster

infested mobility makes even more parkour

[signal saffron]

XD pushing nyx speed is fun tbh but i swear i am already hitting walls with the amount of speed

[latent adder]

one more useful thing could be rage

it creates a debuff onto enemies and makes them shoot your absrb faster

but its pretty annoying to use

very small range

[signal saffron]

interesting

is that the subsume rest and rage?

[latent adder]

yeah

[signal saffron]

dont know how it works tbh i am keen on making nyx as powerful as possible tbh because i love the eleanor skin so much and her abilities too from her passive to her nuke its rewarding and chill

it also gives a 20% speed increase i think as well

[warped osprey]

can anyone tell me if this is good or not?

[signal saffron]

wait i think u cooked bro that rage one might be it idk

[signal saffron]

on the helminth it says 5m radius but 50m range

[latent adder]

50m cast range

5m effect radius

its pretty mid

[signal saffron]

ohh nvm

[signal saffron]

what about marked for death to help with mind control dmg boost? ruvox slam with it

i think i seen that somewhere before

[latent adder]

not sure, never tried that

dont really see how that would really help

[signal saffron]

it probably would help if u mind controlled a target then marked it for death then maybe it affects the melee influence damage from ruvox slam idk? or it can be useful for the nyx absorb nuke cuz 75% bonus?

could be mid af idk

could also fit the singularity nyx build @latent adder

[twin gust]

Does anyone know why my shade really sucks at making me invisible

Like I’m not attacking or anything the invis just cancels for some reason on xaku

[latent adder]

it drops if there are no enemies in range

did u mod assault mode on it or anything?

[signal saffron]

managed to get 16k% mind control

in simulacrum with mark for death

before i was only able to get 3k max idk

[deep grotto]

What’s an ideal valence element for a Kuva Hek or Sobek?

[signal saffron]

its good imo just tried it. I think best way to do it is use armour strip targets to slow them down (Might not be best idk) then use mark for death on designated target. Apply mind control then on the target and then Ruvox incarnon slam so it should from that not only kill everything almost guaranteed because 93% bonus dmg then its like the influence should increase dmg too and electric procs so mind control target dmg goes crazy up. If i saw a 5x increase in simulacrum imagine the limits of normal gameplay. Also stops u from being forced to run an incarnon weapon and also hopefully a teammates runs nourish so u gain the bonus dmg. Additionally not only is it a bonus on your slam with ruvox and mind control i THINK it buffs nyx absorb in a mid way or great way but could still be somewhat slightly useful if it not but at best bcs lets say like in your video it required idk 5million absorb to nuke lvl cap therefore if u marked a target for death then nuked it at 2.5million 100% extra bonus dmg would be applied to all other targets totalling 5million

also marked for death has a 150% cap so with enough strength mods u can make the nuke quicker for lower level enemies instead of lvl cap (of course minding the damage limit of absorb to get 50M range) and make the mind control dmg busted

[lethal bison]

gang i think no subsume xaku fits my playstyle the most

[chrome badge]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[chrome badge]

good is well rounded if you ask me

[signal saffron]

good then missout in a nutshell marked for death might be a great subsume for nyx ruvox slam build

[lethal bison]

also i thought garuda was a platform frame

and then i saw her gameplay is just dread mirror bomb splashing

[chrome badge]

its just one way of playing her, shes a comfortable tank frame with her infinite energy

dread mirror is just easy to use bc as levels go up so does dmg taken by the mirror which allows her to charge the ball for faster nukes, you can absolutely subsume over her 2 or 4 depending on the build

[lethal bison]

now that i think about it

i am very lazy at priming status

so i thought perhaps pulling back my vulpaphyla is a good idea

[chrome badge]

may i direct you to dirigia with tazicor or deth machine gun

guarenteed electric + whatever status you want on tazi (i have all the good dmg priming ones plus mag and radi) via manifold and it chains between enemies or guarenteed electric + all 3 ips statuses and whatever you mod on deth gun

[latent adder]

Hmm ill try it

[velvet pulsar]

I'm calling it rn, the new frame might've better synergy with Mandonel than his own archgun

(if the 4th ability is weapon dmg class)

[woeful monolith]

I don't think u should see it that way, if u see it as an absolute upgrade why not?

[haughty sparrow]

In what case would nourish be an absolute upgrade?

[lost hull]

Til a weapon has a direct synergy with a power: mandonel empowering quorvex towers

[woeful monolith]

I mean in some warframes i would say yes

Or in fact any other subsumed ability seems like an adsolute upgrade

[lost hull]

The energy gain from nourish is big, it buffs energy per second and energy from drops

[haughty sparrow]

Over what? You don't even know the Warframes i use

[lost hull]

Any frame that's a little tanky gets a free aoe viral when hit

[woeful monolith]

Im just saying

[haughty sparrow]

Yeah i like that about it but i have arcane energize and yellow shards for more energy when i need it

[lost hull]

Support styanax

[haughty sparrow]

I haven't gotten into specters in awhile ._.

I probably should tbh

[lost hull]

It also adds viral on more things than the weapon elemental power buffs

[haughty sparrow]

Can't i just let my pet prime that?

[lost hull]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Nourish

I'm not gonna argue semantics, I'm just informing of what it's doing

[haughty sparrow]

Dawg i know what it does,i use it on mesa's 1st

[sharp kiln]

Does anyone know any good panzer vulpaphyla viral builds I can only find outdated stuff

[solar reef]

companion builds haven’t really changed in the last year or two, at leats for panzers

heres what I use, absolutely not meta but it works pretty well and its what I like

it does its job at Level Cap

[haughty sparrow]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Elusive_Posture get this,it prevents the panzer from using melee while still allowing the viral quills

[solar reef]

cant send claws build since companion app wont let you

[solar reef]

this works solely for priming builds

i didnt even know this existed

this is neat

i wont ever use it but I think its a really cool mod

are there any other companions that benefit greatly from it?

[haughty sparrow]

I'm unsure what pet builds aren't priming builds but i think there is a claws stance for it

[solar reef]

mixed builds

[velvet pulsar]

Elusive Posture?

[haughty sparrow]

Only ones where you want your pet to only use abilities and never attack

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Assassin_Posture this exists also

[velvet pulsar]

Smeeta and Adarza
Huras Kubrow only for stealth
Sahasa Kubrow in case u wanna take in conservation like Ivara

[velvet pulsar]

Assassin Posture is basically universal choice

[solar reef]

which is what I use

[velvet pulsar]

There's atleast 2 more good ones

[solar reef]

frenzied is fine iirc

[haughty sparrow]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Protector_Posture this mod is the equivalent of a dog leash for your companion

[solar reef]

arguably good for panzer since it wont be trying to prime enemies across the map from you

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah this probably procs puncture from precept attacks too

Gotta test with Viral Quills if the spores proc puncture

[velvet pulsar]

This is also good for poor CC weapons

[lethal bison]

this fits panzer vulp the best imo

anywhos is trumna prime ok? i want to use it with xaku for aesthetics

[mighty flare]

its alright

[velvet pulsar]

I wanna test its and tenet tetra's alt fire

..with navigator

[mighty flare]

though

if you want a weapon to pair with xatas

theres much better picks

[velvet pulsar]

Use Zymos

Xaku zymos is a great synergy

[smoky widget]

for dual viciss?

[mighty flare]

gooba

[smoky widget]

huh

[mighty flare]

could only improve with bane over fury/galv but its fine

oh duh

[mighty flare]

add disciplines merit in exilus

[smoky widget]

ahh yeah im an avid hater of faction damage

[smoky widget]

i also hate tennokai

im very stubborn

[velvet pulsar]

Then use Guardian Derision or Dispatch Overdrive

[smoky widget]

i just dont see the need

[velvet pulsar]

Do u play disruption and legacyte?

[smoky widget]

yeah

ive got my big boy guns for those

[velvet pulsar]

Guardian Derision's aggro forces them to stop running away and start attacking u

[lethal bison]

use carving mantis

best dual swords stance atm

[velvet pulsar]

U can still use those after procing Guardian Derision

[smoky widget]

still tho, i feel its a waste of an adapter

or i could do a melee vortex setup

[smoky widget]

why is it better?

[lethal bison]

animations and combos

[smoky widget]

what about the damage?

[lethal bison]

idk much about it

but carving mantis just feels smoothest to use imo

like how blind fury is to nikanas

[granite ginkgo]

"idk" is red flag tho

[lethal bison]

real

[smoky widget]

ahhh there we go'

[granite ginkgo]

https://overframe.gg/build/817458/dual-viciss/dual-viciss-standard-melee-influence/

very similar yet not that different

[smoky widget]

most of my builds are legit ninjase builds but slightly tweaked

[granite ginkgo]

both use melee influence

[smoky widget]

i just get rid of the stuff i dont like/want

thne check with everyone to make sure i didnt ruin it

[granite ginkgo]

i just use the crabsweat infographic, as for stance dabate-able

[smoky widget]

yeah ive grabsweated my sun & moon

very sad that they dont deal alot, very cool weapons

[granite ginkgo]

right, planning to buy the wukong deluxe, might as well start build those

[smoky widget]

the only build ive done myself is cyte-09 and the gun

[granite ginkgo]

heh as long u happy, just dont show in here - personal build get some heat argument

[smoky widget]

oh it did lmao people we not happy about the 5 purple archon shards

[granite ginkgo]

see, that why i just put, "referance based on ninjase" at end of text

lmao, n ppl just thumbup

[smoky widget]

hahah thats a good idea

[mellow jewel]

what can I add for the last slot?

[grave cloak]

pcr

[mellow jewel]

why?

I'm going for a gass build

[grave cloak]

oh wait this is sporothrix lol

in that case swap the position of thermite rounds and malignant force, put pcr, and swap thermite rounds for hammer shot

[grave cloak]

gas is not very poggers

[mellow jewel]

I'm still going to lose the gass so it's useless

[mellow jewel]

This weapon made me like it for the 1st time

[grave cloak]

useless?

blast + electric gives single target weapons aoe clearing capabilities

ig you could just put hammer shot as your last option if you're dead set on using gas

[granite ginkgo]

yaea cuz it got gimmick to proc AoE via augment

i suggest serration (amalgam version) or hammer shot

[mellow jewel]

I use this for viral if I really wanna use it

[mellow jewel]

I might as well use Spectral Seration since I'm mainly using it with Loki

[granite ginkgo]

beg to diff, but as long u happy

[mighty flare]

sporo has innate viral, theres no point in modding for it

[granite ginkgo]

if u scroll a bit up, he ask on gas build

[mighty flare]

what?

why add pcr

[mellow jewel]

I was showing that to the guy who mentioned the build idea

[mellow jewel]

I ask him as he came with the idea. I just wanna stay with a gass build on the Sporothrix

[mighty flare]

you dont slot pcr even if its like blast

[granite ginkgo]

dont ask me, also waiting the same answer from that guy said pcr

[mellow jewel]

I tried the blast build but it ain't my cup of tea

[mighty flare]

dont do that 👍

viral heat a waste on sporo

[mellow jewel]

the aoe is too good to not make use of it

[mighty flare]

it has innate viral, you dont have to mod for it

[mellow jewel]

How does this look? I need the headshot dmg to make it feel better for me

[velvet pulsar]

Hell yeah gas headshot

[mellow jewel]

it works so why not

[mighty flare]

cannonade bit of a waste if you have any extra fire rate like reinforced bond

[mellow jewel]

1 shot headshot to a lvl 135 corrupted heavy gunner

[mellow jewel]

I do have it on my sentinel

[mighty flare]

then drop cannonade

[mellow jewel]

switch it out for Spectral Seration?

[mighty flare]

better than cannonade yeah

opposed to banes i assume?

[velvet pulsar]

I mean reinforced bond would still get used for secondary and archguns

Does sporothrix need fire rate?

[mighty flare]

nobodies using archguns rn
more dps on sporo

[velvet pulsar]

I'm not living in rn

[mellow jewel]

Hate them. Plus Spectral Seration as I made this thing for Loki mainly

[velvet pulsar]

I'm thinking ahead at the update

[mighty flare]

i curse thee with of the future where archguns are glorified dexterity sticks

[velvet pulsar]

2 dexterity arcanes

[mellow jewel]

would it be a bad idea to drop arcane rage in this instance considering I got spectral seration on?

[velvet pulsar]

"Corvas Glaive"

[mighty flare]

do you have any sources of flat crit chance?
i clown on hammer shot but its ok pick for sporothrix

[mellow jewel]

nada

Arcane avenger is rank 0 for me

only got one from Eidolons since I started

[mighty flare]

you can drop it yes

also qt loki?

[velvet pulsar]

Puncture status

[mellow jewel]

old build. I'm reformaing him now to switch to the switch teleport augment version

[mighty flare]

i have been surprised by the amount of players that simply dont have any source of puncture in their builds
so i have to ask now

[velvet pulsar]

I use hound

[mighty flare]

ok

[velvet pulsar]

Manifold bond ruins my squadmates devouring attrition incarnons

Screw ur -CC rivens

Screw ur melee duplicate

[mighty flare]

also, if you ran like roar instead of terrify, you'd be able to have more mod slots

[velvet pulsar]

Also piercing roar procs puncture

[mighty flare]

needs range 🥀

but yeah another route

[velvet pulsar]

What does loki have these days beside duration?

[mighty flare]

precision intensify

😔

[velvet pulsar]

Aah yes the subsume slot

Though the MFD nuke did have high strength

[mighty flare]

specific exception

[velvet pulsar]

I expect Smite + Dmg Decoy to have max range build

[mighty flare]

true that

[velvet pulsar]

What's the base range of new smite? 8m?

I'm also building Garuda rn just because of smite rework

[mighty flare]

6m

[velvet pulsar]

Oh dang

[mighty flare]

thats barely 20m even on the max range builds

[velvet pulsar]

16.8m nuke

Workable, atleast with garuda

Time to spam Dread Ward

Though I wonder if it has falloff

[pale belfry]

lmao, aura forma abuser.

would be fun if you do for the rest slots

[mellow jewel]

I still have 3 that I need to put on

[mellow jewel]

I want to do just that and leave 2 open in case I want to run 2 umbral mods for some reason

[pale belfry]

still want DE add an extra forma for both umbral and aura

[mellow jewel]

Actually I only need 1 slot nvm. Which means I need to buy another bundle of Omni forma

It's good to see someone that still remembers the name aura forma tho

I'm waiting for the update that gives us archon shard loadouts now

[pale belfry]

i should prepare for oberon fashion and wait new update

[sour compass]

primary merciless or deadhead for nataruk?

[mellow nest]

Can you headshot?

[quiet laurel]

merciless

nataruk has a 1x initial headshot multiplier which is kinda oof

[mellow nest]

Because if not then Merciless

The reload speed also does more for you at R5

[sour compass]

for the most part Id say yes, but can every enemy be headshoted?

does reload increase RoF on bows?

[mellow nest]

It decreases the arrow draw time

If Im not totally mistaken. Charge up and fire is decreased by fire rate

[pale belfry]

except you can headshot most the time

just use deadhead

mercicless is all around and also provide reload speed

[mellow nest]

Normal enemies yeah, but its not reliable on some, e.g. the Murmur. However the buff holds 24 s.
Drawback of Merciless is it holds only for 4 s and with some frames like Protea its actually kinda difficult to last-hit enemies, if your weapon doesn't outright oneshot them

[signal saffron]

hi

[astral tinsel]

longbow sharpshot

but deadhead would be my second choice

[lethal bison]

so uh i used trumna on xaku for aesthetics

but trumna sort of didn't benefit much from xata's whisper (?)

it's an aoe weapon

[astral tinsel]

...and?

[velvet pulsar]

Can it proc blast status?

[astral tinsel]

base damage is 60% heat and it has a 34% base SC

[velvet pulsar]

Nice

That would benefit with Xata

[astral tinsel]

but AoE is already covered by the alt-fire

[velvet pulsar]

Alt fire has blast and status chance?

[astral tinsel]

and I find that keeping heat helps when there are no weak targets to charge up

[velvet pulsar]

Coz it's not just AoE about Xata blast, it's because xata blast enables the blast proc damage to scale with mods individually

[astral tinsel]

no wait, more than 60% and it hits twice (hit & AoE)

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah that can be worked with blast if u wanna use trumna with xaku so bad

[lethal bison]

[fluid crest]

is flux overdrive any good on tenet flux rifle ?

[signal saffron]

@latent adder i have not been able to replicate this dmg today. I only got 6k% today but yesterday i did manage 16k

[latent adder]

is that still marked for death?

[signal saffron]

yes ok i just managed 9300 rn

i am confused if im supposed to mark the mind controlled target or if i mark another target but i think its the same result

[velvet pulsar]

U trying mind control+ M4D?

[signal saffron]

yes because mark 4 death has multiplicative dmg with smite grineer

[velvet pulsar]

U mean double dipping?

[midnight horizon]

Hey, I heard that you are the one that is good at modding? Is it OK if I ask your personal opinion in the Build I will send you? If it's ok

[signal saffron]

yea i think so

[velvet pulsar]

I already am aware about all this
Which is why I asked to confirm, coz it double dips viral too

[velvet pulsar]

BTW smite grineer doesn't affect M4D

It was a buff to ur melee, and the buffed damage burst into AoE

It isn't double dipping

[signal saffron]

oh i thought it would mean that from this where it includes viral + damage type modifiers

[velvet pulsar]

Damage type modifiers now locked to mission types, so it'll be easier

[signal saffron]

so idk if its cookin or nah

what u mean by that

[velvet pulsar]

Smite grineer isn't doing anything special here

If u have viral on ruvox, that might be

[signal saffron]

what if i primed viral with the bassocyst

[velvet pulsar]

Viral double dipping works by priming both M4D target and all enemies in its range

So if ur bassocyst can do that, sure

[signal saffron]

what if a teammate uses nourish next to me then i do it or i prime viral with kuva nukor as well

[velvet pulsar]

Ur own primers will be quite problematic in many cases

[signal saffron]

oof unlucky then guess i have not cooked

[velvet pulsar]

Reason is you'll have to prime enemy first then cast M4D, and I think even then u have to make sure ur DoT isn't on the target(not sure about this one)

[signal saffron]

do u know if M4D affects absorb cuz i tried it and i dont think its working

[lethal bison]

m4d ash...

[velvet pulsar]

The only way I see is viral double dipping nuke with 2 adjacent enemies

But not sure since I never tested it

What u have to do is:

1. Viral prime (high status duration recommended, probably use hound or diriga coz companion primers don't trigger M4D) then Mark the enemy
2. Immediately cast mind control
3. Burst damage as much as u can in 4 seconds on the mind control target (this is the unsure part, will the damage trigger MFD in invulnerable state, then it's bad synergy, otherwise good)
4. If all good, activating Mind Control on an adjacent enemy under M4D range cancels previous Mind Control and all burst dmg should release via nuke on the new mind control target.

However this all is pointless if u already have a high damage weapon which can one-shot an enemy coz then u can directly charge mind control for absorb generation

...or one-shot MFD target for nuke

Because M4D nuke caps at enemy's max HP

Get a damage cap weapon or subsume for charging mind control for charging absorb

[signal saffron]

i dont understand

[velvet pulsar]

TLDR: M4D is useless for absorb

[signal saffron]

see i was thinking its great for ruvox slamming mind control target and also could help by reducing amount of damage needed for absorb nuke

[signal saffron]

why tho

[velvet pulsar]

I explained the entire thing
U tell me how u r planning to use it into a nuke

[signal saffron]

if i marked somoene nuked that enemy at half the damage needed to kill it wouldnt the rest of the damage spiral outward and finish the rest?

[velvet pulsar]

Yes, u got that right as a generalized statement

At the same time, this also means u can mind control a target and directly slam it with the same amount of damage twice under 4 seconds

[signal saffron]

the only problem would be its 10metres range. So i wouldnt say perfect for the assimilate build but might be great for the singularity one

[signal saffron]

how i literally been testing it in simulacrum and the max dmg i been getting average is like 4-6k max

[velvet pulsar]

Unless afflictions doesn't affect MFD absorb time

[signal saffron]

with M4D i got a high of 9300 and 15,500

[signal saffron]

here is proof of 15k and i got more proof of 9k which i got today

the only problem i got is making it consistent because it seems to not be hitting consistently

[velvet pulsar]

How much does it generate when u directly slam on mind controlled target?

... without M4D

Coz yesterday I reached 11,000 with just dual toxocyst

[signal saffron]

idk its weird with M4D and without M4D im doing like 4-6k average

but with M4D i managed to peak 15k and 9k

[signal saffron]

i get that the reason i am tryna stay away from using primary or secondary incarnon weps. I wanna use ruvox slam because of movement but still make it reliable

the downside rn its not reliable

[velvet pulsar]

Let a companion primer apply viral in this process and it'll increase more

Also r u using any subsume?

[signal saffron]

i dont have that ur right

u said diriga right? but what weapon with it

[velvet pulsar]

Can run tazicor, artax, even verglas if u want

Put one status Duration mod

[mellow nest]

Artax has low damage but additional cold proc over Verglas

Theres a Vigilante Mod with status duration I think

For better crits on your primary

Lemme check

[velvet pulsar]

(doesn't affect manifold bond but still affects tazicor primer)

[mellow nest]

Nah it was smth else

[velvet pulsar]

Hunter Mod

[signal saffron]

i dont have artax or tazicor

how do i make the verglas prime everybody

[mellow nest]

Nautilus Prime

Pretty sure you have Taxon tho

[velvet pulsar]

Ehh

[mellow nest]

Doesn't everyone get taxon?

[signal saffron]

yea but its single target no?

[velvet pulsar]

Manifold Bond

That's AoE with Nautilus grouping

Might also help with grouping for M4D charge

[mellow nest]

Isn't there a robotic grenade weapon too?

[velvet pulsar]

That's too far, but u r either talking about multron or vulcax

[mellow nest]

Aight

[velvet pulsar]

Multron is unusable garbage due to FPS drops

[signal saffron]

ok so the viral spreads from one single target to everyone? with nautilus and verglas?

or should i M4D the target that my verglas primes someone

[velvet pulsar]

U gotta mod verglas for viral

[mellow nest]

Is the Vulcax good?

[velvet pulsar]

Honestly I can't continue this
It's going in horrible direction beyond my comprehension

[signal saffron]

this fine?

[velvet pulsar]

Mid ig

[mellow nest]

Aight, thanks

[signal saffron]

LOLwhy tho i dont see what the issue is

imagine with singularity build for nyx for grouping too

[velvet pulsar]

If I would've wanted to min max absorb, I might've used some other way, even when I have to keep ruvox

Marked For Death is simply a small advantage compared to the actual potential

[sweet herald]

wwhats the diff between say procking an enemy w magnetic then doing raw dmg to them vs straight up doing magnetic damage?

[velvet pulsar]

I can rather mind control a jade eximus

[signal saffron]

it worked

i now average 9k instead of 4-6

[velvet pulsar]

Good then I wasn't saying useless tips atleast

Coz this is an uncharted territory for me

[mellow nest]

Enemies with Shield or Overguard will get additional damage if they already have procs. Multishot can apply procs and then benefit from extra damage too.

Having a primer secondary or other effect to apply magnetic / Viral and then using your main gun lets you benefit the most. This is called priming

One Brokkoli for me

[maiden geode]

of approval :>

[velvet pulsar]

Magnetic damage is simply not important
It's magnetic status effect which is the helpful part.

U apply that status to overguard or shield and u deal more dmg to those

[sweet herald]

magnetic was an example, is tehre a diff between the status effects for procs and damage?

[maiden geode]

well yes the status procs do something entirely seperate while the damage is just the raw damage you see when hitting enemies

[mellow nest]

Some enemies take more damage from certain types of damage like Heat

[velvet pulsar]

Very high difference

[mellow nest]

But the status effect does what it says, it might also do damage in the cases of heat and toxin and gas

[signal saffron]

there is massive potential i did have the artax btw but it doesnt spread viral its the same as verglas

[maiden geode]

Damage is always damage, and the faction multipliers are rather irrelevant these days with their armor being nerfed a lot and the multipliers being nerfed down to 1.5x at best, compared to the 1.75x we had back then.

[signal saffron]

i need something that spreads viral like shivering contagion or like a group viral spreader instead of single target

[velvet pulsar]

Tazicor

Helstrum

[sweet herald]

so magnetic damage doesnt mean the damage is magnetic it just means does magnetic procs and damage seperately

[mellow nest]

Its a single target status monster. No good aoe status weapons for sentinels

[maiden geode]

So while the damage type still matters for raw damage, its not as relevant anymore and with the amount of power creep we have any type of raw damage is usually fine.
and as for status procs, read the wiki on that, they all do different things and the wiki explains it quite well.

[velvet pulsar]

Helstrum

[signal saffron]

which better tazicor or helstrum i heard helstrum is that correct?

[maiden geode]

no it actually is magnetic damage, and enemies weak to magnetic will take more damage. corpus for example take 1.5x damage from the magnetic portion of your damage

[mellow nest]

Both, it does Magnetic damage which is good against some factions.
It also does magnetic status, so every damage instance applied after the status proc can benefit from it

It just does both and with multishot you get both at the same time basically