builds-discussion

[wind cosmos]

maybe an augur mod

[slender vine]

Yeah mayhaps, I was thinking more power also

[wind cosmos]

whats ur current ability strength

[granite ginkgo]

what ur archon shard placement?

since u dont own archon stretch, i suggest streamline

[mighty flare]

use umbral intensify

caliban likes a lot of strength

[slender vine]

I do, I just put another forma in and equiped it

[slender vine]

I dont have any reds for now

[valid cargo]

Boar or strun prime?

[novel bear]

For what?

[valid cargo]

Damage

Incarnon*

[storm grotto]

bout to try out mirage in void cascades for the first time i have an extra slot dont rly know what to put i have 2 tauforged purple archon shard for equilibrium already

[gray iris]

rolling guard for survivability if you want more of a safeguard, if not primed flow would be good for energy

[merry bay]

Speaking of mirage, you got a ESO build I can yoink? :3

[gray iris]

arcanes just use molt augmented and 2nd arcane you can flex, arcane energise would be best though, no subsume

[merry bay]

Mother... trucker...

[pale topaz]

One more Forma

[merry bay]

I was just gonna use it without cunning drift for the moment, but MAN this is bad (more accurately I'm bad) I keep dying

[charred schooner]

Slept on it. I can do the triple umbra version without having to spend an umbra forma, so I'll do that! Just in case, I can spend some of my stockpiled omnis just in case I want to swap between the two (I won't)

[onyx monolith]

im allergic to triple umbra

[quiet laurel]

Triumbral on equinox is a new thing I see

Definitely cooking a 1 star meal

[velvet pulsar]

Archon intensify equinox with coda hema

[gleaming elbow]

hi what is the best posture for panzer ?

[velvet pulsar]

IMO assassin or the one which keeps companion within 15m or the one which increases status duration

Priority order from 1st to 3rd

[gleaming elbow]

got it, thank you

[velvet pulsar]

Now that I look at it again, maybe status duration one is better priority than the 2nd one

Either way, these are top 3 choices according to me

[foggy rock]

for a level cap latron what would good numbers be ?

dmg wise

[charred gale]

numbers are gonna vary depending on armor strip, dmg buffs, and enemy types

generally tho i dont think latron is too good alone

youd need a dmg buff for it to feel good

[foggy rock]

aside from burston isnt the latron second best primary ?

not torid tho, torid falls of to fast

[charred gale]

id say latron is the best, but generally primaries are weaker than secondaries and melees

[foggy rock]

yeah im using furis and my melle either falcor or okina but my falcor just feels weak

[charred gale]

whats ur build on falcor?

[pure reef]

does tenacious bond trigger if your pet has exactly 50% crit? I know things like purple shards only work if you have 501 max energy so i wonder it being the same

[peak prawn]

Hey chat, would someone be able to help me with calculating some damage for my build? I keep doing the math but the numbers aren’t lining up the way they should on paper vs in game lol

[foggy rock]

check if u get the symbol at the top right

[mighty flare]

it works like ≥ 50%

[pure reef]

im mathing out verglas rivens

[charred gale]

i think ur missing base elec mod

[pure reef]

ty for help fellas

[mighty flare]

use shocking touch / focus energy over corrupt charge

[foggy rock]

im using this for my latron to so im hitting stupid high crits

[charred gale]

-punc💔

[velvet pulsar]

I hope you're using a puncture mod

[mighty flare]

punc removal

[foggy rock]

ik bro

but im building corrosive heat

[velvet pulsar]

This is self replicative reply
Get rid of it before u start a chain reaction

[charred gale]

ok😔

[velvet pulsar]

[charred gale]

viral heat should be better

[velvet pulsar]

Wasn't much serious but that meme is indeed nuclear fission

[charred gale]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-yeah-i-know-get-up-gif-20904784

[foggy rock]

well, i might switch to viral heat and then throw on a puncture mod

ill see how that works

[charred gale]

well if ur running crit it should be fine

-punc just hurts a lil

[foggy rock]

is it red enough

[charred gale]

those numbers lowkey seem a lil low ngl

[foggy rock]

exactly what im saying

[velvet pulsar]

When u mod for exclamation marks rather than numbers

[mighty flare]

whats ur build

[charred gale]

its like a big ass, nice to look at doesnt rly do anything

[velvet pulsar]

Wisp is meta

[charred gale]

._.

[foggy rock]

ill show u in a second, this is withought norusih / roar tho

[foggy rock]

its my riven 🙁

[velvet pulsar]

Also a side question, what u do have in latron's exilus?

[foggy rock]

nothing currently ima throw in the supplie mod

or wtv its called

[velvet pulsar]

Vigilante Supplies?

[foggy rock]

yeah

[velvet pulsar]

So basically you're still modding for more exclamation mark

[charred gale]

u 100% want galv aptitude

it multiplicative to base dmg

on its incarnon shots

and u can replace hunter munitions and vigilante fervor

[foggy rock]

i got no other exilus thats meaninful so i kinda dont use em on primarys

[charred gale]

prob run vile acceleration over fervor

[foggy rock]

should i replace hunter with a puncture mod ?

[velvet pulsar]

And here's when I give a great suggestion

[charred gale]

id put on galv aptitude

[foggy rock]

ima slot it over vigilante and prolly put puncture on the hunter mod

[charred gale]

get some outside source of fire rate then

[velvet pulsar]

U only need this at rank 0 because ranking it up doesn't affect equilibrium
It literally costs 0 mod capacity and doesn't mind a mismatch exilus polarity

For latron specifically, u can see me getting lots of health orbs in a single shot of incarnon: (2nd chapter of the vid)
https://youtu.be/YfIykdKhcS8?si=6SPflv0LnYF55jLF

Basically latron AoE + bounce means it'll pick up lots of health orbs in practical missions

[foggy rock]

well i noticed that higher firerate cooks its incarnon mode

like kinda badly, since the 30 shots

[charred gale]

yeah and it cooks everything else

[charred gale]

its like 2 shots to charge it back up

[velvet pulsar]

Also shoot the feet

Better bounce

[charred gale]

im pretty sure galv aptitude loses its multi dmg after it bounces

[foggy rock]

so i either put on a fire rate mod and go with my current path, or throw on a puncture mod and go the viral path

[velvet pulsar]

Bugframe knowledge I didn't know of

[foggy rock]

and the thing that sucks is simulacrum is useless

[charred gale]

i cant find where i saw that but i know i saw it somwhere

[foggy rock]

dmg numbers still low

[charred gale]

mine hitting for way more

no dmg buffs

direct hits

[velvet pulsar]

I suggest hound or Diriga with astral bond and then try latron whenever u activate astral bond

[foggy rock]

i dont think ym riven could be selling me right ?

[charred gale]

i have a riven with dmg and multishot and toxin

could also be the enemy type

[foggy rock]

idk i might overprice mine to some bum lmao

[charred gale]

sure lol

looks solid

[foggy rock]

now its even more screwed

[charred gale]

try a different enemy type

[foggy rock]

i only really level cap with grinner

[charred gale]

corrupted heavy gunners have insane dr or something

so the dmg numbers might looks smaller cause of thjat

im only killing eximus

[foggy rock]

hitting like 60k still

which is like nothing

[charred gale]

damn idk then

[foggy rock]

this is my burston in 0.1 of a second

[foggy rock]

i dont understnad this at all bro

[charred gale]

did u stack up ur arcane?

[foggy rock]

yep

i dont get it tho, its just trash

this is my burston

[velvet pulsar]

I still suggest this weird playstyle

[foggy rock]

this is my shitron 8 shots later

WITH ROAR BTW

[velvet pulsar]

Try xata instead

[pale belfry]

what are you testing for ?

[velvet pulsar]

Latron doing low dmg

[pale belfry]

incarnon or base hit ?

[velvet pulsar]

Incarnon

[foggy rock]

incarnon latron

heres the thing

i dont want to rely on priming bc of my secondary being the furis

[pale belfry]

i thought that amount dmg is normal on latron incarnon?

[velvet pulsar]

Well yes but no

The reason why I suggest xata for latron instead of roar is because latron will multihit enemies inside void bubble

[pale belfry]

xata should be for instant dmg mostly. Roar good but most case for ability buff or casting dmg

[foggy rock]

this build with 100% roar just abt insta kills everything

with max arcane stacks

[velvet pulsar]

Deadhead will rarely proc on incarnon?

[foggy rock]

i was lwk thinking of mercilless

no roar and no arcane stacks

cant even kill 1 eximus

both on is near instant

[velvet pulsar]

What companion do u use??

Atleast that'll help

[foggy rock]

naitilus + verglass for tenacious

nourish + tenacious + max arcane stacks and i cant even see my screen 150-1mil

tenacious + max arcane is about 40-150k on average

[pale belfry]

try it on those heavy gunner eximus

or demolisher

[foggy rock]

i got neither

my scans dont work sometimes

but funny ash + roar is like 300k minimum

[pale belfry]

use helios to help you scan it

you dont have to manual scan

[foggy rock]

u got the primes cerebrum by chance ?

[velvet pulsar]

If I have astral bond with blast modded verglas prime, will it have same synergy as xata blast?

Coz IDK what is causing xata blast synergy. One would assume extra hits, but then other stuff like resupply or toxic lash aren't showing it.

[pale belfry]

latron prime incarnon with Demolisher SP lvl 225

[foggy rock]

i tgink u like purple

[pale belfry]

i just dont like red number tbh

[grave cloak]

xata's over dagath's 4 is definitely a choice

[pale belfry]

her 1 give free viral source with fast casting speed

and her 2

pretty broken, DOOM could destroy anything

[mighty flare]

its tech

[foggy rock]

ngl

the oberon rework might be insane

😭everyone switching to oberon bro

[pale belfry]

I dont really care about it

if the frame rework

imma gonna use it, not overhype it

dagath xata, no doom boost

[foggy rock]

its gonna be the new revenant, free mesmer skin + armor strip

[fossil stratus]

Does anyone have a good build for the felarx

[spare geyser]

https://overframe.gg/build/328134/felarx/the-devastating-void-extreme-raw-damage-cold-corrosive-one-shot/

Should I sub Temporal Artillery somewhere on this?

[fossil stratus]

Thanks

[pale belfry]

since you want to use 4th, that means you gonna roaming around the map

so you dont need too much range

even armor strip range

[spare geyser]

So swap off Stretch for Artillery?

[pale belfry]

you could

[spare geyser]

Would it be recommended?

[pale belfry]

try it and take the test in a real game

to see if its suitable for you or not

protea build mostly depend on user

[spare geyser]

I used to run it fine with 205% range

Is 15% that much of a difference?

Its a 4 meter difference 💀 thats basically nothing

[pale belfry]

to me, as long as you still moving, its wont

[spare geyser]

Considering nothing can stop me from moving (PSF) pretty sure itll work well

[foggy rock]

how i feel needing it when i use the latron or akarius

[steep oasis]

https://overframe.gg/build/902878/
I tried to make an equinox build based on duality and mend/maim, how is it?

[lethal bison]

what the

may i ask does it proc furious javelin

[cyan hearth]

MR 9 in need of assistance

I'm doing too little dmg and I'm taking 2 business days to kill a lvl 60-90 enemy

[mellow nest]

Mods like sawtooth clip that only add to a stat like that arent as effective as an elemental mod that grants you the damage as that element usually.
Its a good idea to remove sawtooth and ammo drum and instead go for more elemental damage at your point.
If you have any of the dual elemental / status mods then those would be a good idea. Like Thermite Rounds, Rime Rounds, Malignant Force.
Otherwise you can get Bladed Rounds and Argon Scope going, which are ok to farm up, but a little more specialized than some of the mandatory lategame mods.
If you can, try to unlock Arbitrations at some point in the near future to get Galvanized Mods going. They require a lot of endo while most other options dont, just keep that in mind

Im trying to suggest smth that fits into your budget. You mustnt spend another 2 forma on the Soma necessarily imo, perhaps its better to diversify your weapon locker

[cyan hearth]

Soooo....Slash = No. More Cold & Toxin Mods = Yes?

[mellow nest]

Depending on the factions, yeah.
The general strategy would be to use Viral + Heat or just Viral to increase damage dealt to health and strip armor with heat (and get more heat dmg with Viral).
If an enemy doesnt have Armor and its health is protected with a shield like with the corpus units, then you want smth else. Toxin goes directly through shields, so full toxin can work. Otherwise you can also use Magnetic, which increases damage to overguard and shields.

Tldr:
Viral / Viral + Heat for Grineer / Orokin
Toxin / Magnetic / Magnetic + Toxin for Corpus

[grave cloak]

dubious

where's your survivability option?

[steep oasis]

I use shield gating, so i got augur reach and brief respite

[grave cloak]

that's not a survivability option...

unless you're relying purely on a 0.5s gate as equinox

in which case... yeah it's not gonna end well for you

[steep oasis]

Can't i just recover shield with mend?

[grave cloak]

and watch it get blown up again in 1s?

er no not really

[steep oasis]

Right

What if i build a companion for survivability?

[mellow nest]

How much strength do you run?

[ember condor]

Companion survivability builds I know of usually have some kind of cooldown so you can’t be immortal.

Such as: Vasca Kavats have a mod that instantly revives you at the cost of downing itself, but you can prevent it from being downed by giving it Overguard, buuut the mod also has a hidden cooldown so you can still be killed if you get downed too frequently.

[steep oasis]

99 + molt aug

[ember condor]

I always run it for when I get downed by the occasional stray toxin proc.

[grave cloak]

just slap on catalyzing shields and call it a day

[mellow nest]

What you can do is use Catalyzing Shields to get a 1,33 s gate every time an enemy dies within range of mend

[grave cloak]

you're equinox you regenerate, what, 6 shields per kill?

[mellow nest]

25 base

[grave cloak]

that's 1.33s of free gating

okay tbh the shield regen number doesn't matter

[mellow nest]

Indeed

[grave cloak]

she's like the poster boy(or girl?) for lazy gating

no need for vigilante vigor fast deflection nonsense

[mellow nest]

You can opt not to use the Augur mods here probably, if you can keep mend active most of the times. Metamorphosis will also Gate you

@steep oasis

[steep oasis]

Ty, i alr use augur reach

[mellow nest]

Sure do

Works with Catalyzing Shields aswell

[steep oasis]

Nice, i'll keep it in mind

[pale belfry]

combine with vazarin

[median onyx]

https://overframe.gg/build/686470/equinox-prime/dual-defense/
this is what i use personally, just the cc of rest and breach surge along keeps me alive good and well enough

[steep oasis]

Ty

[deep grotto]

How long would a base Rev survive in an arbitration?

I’m in this weird middle ground where I don’t wanna invest too much in him considering he’s not a prime

But i also want him to be a decent endurance frame until i can get my hands on Citrine (i plan to grind passively, such as when a special node occurs over Tyana Pass)

[quiet laurel]

until lvl cap

[deep grotto]

Then i imagine i need to be using better mods than this lmao

[quiet laurel]

all you need to do is mod strength and energy economy

[deep grotto]

Oh word?

[quiet laurel]

thats all he needs without subsume

with subsume duration also becomes a thing

[deep grotto]

Ah i see
I guess my only remaining question is like
How do i play rev? I know all I need to do is cycle through his abilities but like
What’s the steps lmao

[quiet laurel]

braindead version is press 2

and press 2 again when stacks get low

and then you repeat

[grave cloak]

most interactive gameplay tbh

[deep grotto]

What’s the non braindead version

[grave cloak]

you play another frame

[deep grotto]

Lmfao

[quiet laurel]

for non braindead versions you better ask @fresh haven

cause I also just play for his 2

if I do play him

[fresh haven]

Aaah, wonderful

[quiet laurel]

your time to shine

[fresh haven]

indeed

[mighty flare]

(its still brainless)

[deep grotto]

Why are you asking this here lmao

[mighty flare]

scammer

called it

[fresh haven]

Rev isn't "tanky" he's invul, like he got stacks of invulnerability, meaning he can survive easily even if enemies dealt billions of dmg
basically, when u got mesmer stacks, and u get shot, u lose 1 stack, and then become invul for 1s
while invul, u can't lose stack, so basically, even if enemies are constantly shooting u, and u got 25 mesmer stacks, u can't be killed for the next 25s

Nullifiers and violence can delete ur stacks tho, but u can enthrall violence so he can't disable it anymore

And ur stacks increase with ur strength, each 100% str gives 6 stacks, so if u just wanna be invul, u need as much str as possible
Since his casting animations are super long, having casting speed is great too
mesmer skin also redirects 100% of the dmg to the attacker, but it's affected by the enemy's dr
So if an enemy deals 1m to u, mesmer will deal 1m dmg to the enemy that attacked u if he doesn't have armor, or any other dr
it also redirects status
All this means it scale really well at lvl cap, like when an enemy attacks u, they'll often receive like 600k dmg per hit

now, if u wanna use his other abilities, it's a bit tricky, cuz their default values, in terms of dmg, are very low
enthrall scales with the enemies, so at lvl cap, thralls will deal millions of dmg, but early on, they're just decoys

reave deals % dmg, by default, it deals 8% of the enemy's health and 8% of its shield, and it ignores armor
but it scales with strength, and it's affected by anything that affects dmg, like roar, viral, dmg vuln, etc
Like if u're just running reave, u need 1250% str to one shot, but if u're running roar, u need 500% str, if u're applying 10 viral stacks, u need 325% str iirc, and u can stack em
also, thralls receive 5x more dmg from reave, so by default ur thralls won't take 8% dmg, but 40%
it also means it scales infinitely, so against lvl cap enemies, it'll deal the same %, tho be careful with overguard, it tanks the dmg

for danse macabre, it scales with dmg absorbed, so if enemies don't shoot you or don't have dmg, danse won't do much, but if u receive 1m dmg, the laser will deal 1m dmg per hit, which decays overtime
it's usually considered bad, cuz its base values are lame (tho it got a fixed 100m range), but with techs and stuff, u can make it work, and at lvl cap it's broken

[thick dragon]

Hi, Are there people who know about verglas? I have rIven CC, CD, DMG what build is needed?

[fresh haven]

and the "no brain dead" builds usually rely on making reave nuke, or making danse actually kill fast at intended levels

if u wanna use the 4, u'll want some duration, to reduce the cost/s

tho the average gameplay loop using all his abilities normally is :
press 2, press 1, press 4, spam 3 to kill thralls and move around
u can also reave into allied units to give a mesmer stack
u also get mesmer stacks back when u reave into a thrall

[deep grotto]

I don’t think i have to worry about Violence since i’m not playing on Steel Path

[fresh haven]

well, if u ever do, just enthrall him asap

also sometimes danse clears nullies bubble, sometimes not, so that can help

also if u see random spaces in my msgs, it's my keyboard being goofy

[deep grotto]

Makes sense lol

[pale belfry]

shield gating also just around invul

everytime the shield break

invul state start

[fresh haven]

yeh

[pale belfry]

Rev is a lazy way to use it without effort

[fresh haven]

I mean nearly every way to survive in this game is lazy really
when u shield gate, usually u don't even try to, u just use ur abilities, and since u got brief or augur mods, u end up refilling ur shields

the only time I had to focus on surviving was when i did health tank rev at cap, cuz I had to look for enemies to use reave on to regen

[pale belfry]

You need to focus on shield break timeout

not really chill

spam too much could make the energy drain out

[fresh haven]

nah, cuz u use abilities anyway, unless u're just running roar that u use once every 30s

[pale belfry]

rev is lazy way

[fresh haven]

running cata gives u 1.33s of invul, that's more than enough to not be spamming

[fresh haven]

that's lazy yeah, but shield gating is too, not as much, but still lazy

[pale belfry]

shield gating is which you need to put more effort than a rev

the third one is dante

[fresh haven]

I wouldn't say put more effort tbh, cuz most of the time u do it by not even wanting to, it's just a consequence of playing

[solar reef]

dante isnt even the best overguard gater

[pale belfry]

overguard playstyle

[pale belfry]

best way you could take care your team

[solar reef]

this might stir some angry comments but styanax gating is 10x better for high endurance

[pale belfry]

but if you are selfish, so yeah, other frame are better

[solar reef]

it also supports your teammates

[fresh haven]

I don't like styanax' cuz u're locked doing it

[solar reef]

bros not styamaxxing

[solar reef]

bt yeah i get it, its a boring playstyle after a mission or two

[fresh haven]

like during his 4 I can't parkour around, or use my guns, or other abilities, like I would with Ember's 3, so yeh it ain't my playstyle

[solar reef]

well the idea s that you dont NEED to use his other guns or abilities

i would like more mobility for it though

[fresh haven]

but that's the thing, at least in my experience, the dmg isn't enough to justify not being able to use other stuff to kill

[solar reef]

you used to be able to helicopter wiwth it for flight

[solar reef]

build issue

[fresh haven]

could be, but I have yet to see someone actually killing fast with just the 4 in lvl 200ish SP

[solar reef]

you can make it do comical damage with some niche things

[fresh haven]

I'm all ears

[solar reef]

arcane arachne + the swap mods

it can content clear comfortably up to level 4000-5000

[ancient dove]

does anyone have an nuke sp mirage build i could use

[fresh haven]

but it gets hyper limited by defenses nah ?
like armor, etc

[solar reef]

after that point its purely a gating mechanic

[solar reef]

yeah, which is its biggest struggle after the slash rework

[pale belfry]

nah, they fixed styanax

more boring than before

[solar reef]

you do have an armor strip ability though, honestly a pretty good one

limited by range though since you want to invest so much into strength

[mighty flare]

styanax spears are weapon coded, you can take it pretty far

[fresh haven]

yeah but then i need to cast it on every enemy I'm planning to hit

[solar reef]

? its basically a los based aoe strip with limited range

you dont have to cast it on each enemy

[pale belfry]

armor strip was never a thing i focus on

[fresh haven]

no but I mean I have to use it quite a lot

[pale belfry]

i feel its like never an option except i want deal with some demolisher =]]

[solar reef]

if tempest barrage didnt exist it might even have been my go-to strip subsume

[fresh haven]

I'm gonna need that build that takes it to lvl 4k cuz I can hardly kill lvl 230 stripped enemies there

[fresh haven]

tempest with the aug is goated

if I could use his other abilities during his 4 it'd be fine, but eh

[solar reef]

i still need to rebuild my styanax, i forma'd it a year or so ago and haven't touched it since

so its just sitting there half modded, rotting away

[fresh haven]

poor guy

[pale belfry]

fire walker....

use it like a ghost rider

[novel bear]

And nourish

[solar reef]

i lowkey want to build him around tharros strike next time i build him instead of as a 4 spammer

[fresh haven]

also if tharros wouldn't push enemies away i'd like it more

[midnight horizon]

Is there really no realistic method to get to melee doughty's full potential?

[solar reef]

sure there is

[midnight horizon]

I know it needs 500% sc for 100% punc weapons, 555.56% for 90%, etc

[solar reef]

coda moto, puncture build

[novel bear]

Citrine

[fresh haven]

tho I have to say stayanx' 4 with breach is pretty fun

[midnight horizon]

Still not +50x

[solar reef]

i just cant justify building around his 4th wwith anything other than nourish

[midnight horizon]

No matter how high the puncture damage is on motovore, it will never reach 100% punct, meanwhile even weapons with 100% punct need 500% sc

[solar reef]

the energy conservation is too vital

[midnight horizon]

I should just give up 🥀

[solar reef]

i miss 2000x crit damage doughty bugs

[fresh haven]

oh strangely I haven't noticed energy issues lol

[midnight horizon]

They should at least make it reasonable yk like not 500% sc but half that or smth

Even ceramic dagger struggles to reach max potential without sacrificing essential mods

[solar reef]

4th spam is super energy hungry since you HAVE to cast it nonstop in high endurance

[novel bear]

Nourish and rally point give you effectively infinite energy no matter how bad your energy economy is

[solar reef]

with max strength investment (Blind rage) it eats through energy

thats why you run nourish

as without it rally point cant keep up

[fresh haven]

hhhm

[solar reef]

it also just helps that slash dmg chew up enemies

[pale belfry]

litmit the way to spam

[novel bear]

Styanax is one of my favorite circuit picks since he can easily go to level cap with decree bonuses

[solar reef]

^

[pale belfry]

protea subsume on exalted frame

[solar reef]

not having to worry about weapons is nice

[midnight horizon]

Inaros

[pale belfry]

Not having energy issue

[midnight horizon]

Truly a deployable turret of all time

[pale belfry]

protea subsume pretty useful on circuit

[midnight horizon]

It's useful just about anywhere. But I got other plans for mesa

[pale belfry]

some frame like protea, mesa, khora,...

afk frame

btw, the problem with oraxia

that her 4th, doesnt work on incarnon ammo, lmao

idk why DE didnt add it for incarnon like saryn

[quiet laurel]

cause they copied the code from cytes 2

while saryn 3 is old code

the day saryn 3 is gonna be updated to new code the world will end

[mighty flare]

No DE purposely made her work like that

They even bug fixed an exploit that let her buff incarnons

[solar reef]

its for the same reason Cyte doesnt work with them

arguably for the best anyways

[pale belfry]

copy what, if they are not doing that. That doesnt exist, why copy a thing that doesnt exist

[solar reef]

i dont think DE should encourage people to use incarnons for everything

[solar reef]

not how it works. Cyte's doesnt work because incarnon magazines cant be modified

its how incarnon's are designed mechanically

not cyte

[pale belfry]

shouldnt talking about the code here

nobody dig the source.

How we know exactly what they did.

All we said is a guess, could be close to right but still a guess

[solar reef]

in oraxia's case it was literally just

DE deciding they didnt want her to work with incarnons

[pale belfry]

should be how the mechanic work

not how the code work

nodbody know what DE did with the source

[solar reef]

stop trying to take my use of the word "coding" seriously

source this source that, you know what i meant 💔

[pale belfry]

my source of love

❤️

[solar reef]

maybe you aren't a can ❤️‍🩹

[noble depot]

Can I improve?

[solar reef]

everyone can improve, twin ❤️

[novel bear]

Switch around the riven and cryo

Viral electric is better than corrosive cold

[pale belfry]

try crux, you got 1 dmg source mod

or use faction mod

[novel bear]

Faction mods are good on sybaris, it procs a lot of blast

[midnight horizon]

Changed my inaros setup a lil bit, I think I won't be changing anymore from here. Everything else is the same, 5 tau shards, diriga primer, amalgam mods for better mobility, amalgam daikyu for lifesteal, etc

Screw you melee duplicate for being so hard to deal with

[pale belfry]

grind from the release and didnt buy even a one.

And still havent enough 2 sets

lmao

[novel bear]

They should switch duplicate and influence in drop sources

[midnight horizon]

Or or or or or or

[solar reef]

absolutely, duplicate is way too expensive for an arcane i'll never use

[midnight horizon]

Remove the damn "base crit"

[pale belfry]

hot shot is the lowest rate in 3 arcane

[midnight horizon]

If it wants to compete with influence they literally gotta remove that part of the arcane

[novel bear]

It would also nerf the influence meta by making it much harder to get

[midnight horizon]

Otherwise it's never gonna be better than influence ever

[solar reef]

duplicate genuinely does kinda suck just because of how niche its usage is

base crit is a huge cripple

[midnight horizon]

Exactly

Like broski I tried to put up with it, now I changed my nikana to just red crit whenever it wants

[pale belfry]

just stacking it for fun

[solar reef]

and on most of the weapons where duplicate works its better to just run afflictions

[solar reef]

thats like 500 plat+

[midnight horizon]

Just sell them atp

[solar reef]

🤑

[pale belfry]

im stacking for fun

not gonna sell or buy

[solar reef]

i also wish there was more reason to use crescendo

like giving it insane heavy efficiency would be so helpful

[pale belfry]

level cap run

energize the same

benefit receive doesnt match for long run

pretty useful for short run

[midnight horizon]

Anyway I mentioned duplicate because I was using that on my nikana build, but I find using literally anything else better so ykw ima just go ball with melee fort cuz tank lifesteal inaros is fun

[solar reef]

outweighed by galvanized efficiency at low levels too

[midnight horizon]

Again screw you duplicate I hope you never rise again

[pale belfry]

my old clan also have the same way to play

they keep hoarding thing

lmao, i saw a guy stack like thousands hildryn prime sets

[lethal bison]

can kullervo go triple umbral setup

[midnight horizon]

Sure but why

[lethal bison]

why not

[solar reef]

he can but it would be more efficient to just run augmented

[midnight horizon]

He got that new augment that eliminates the need for any health tanking

[lethal bison]

volatile recompense?

[pale belfry]

armor and hp kinda pointless with kullervo, since you gonna get oneshot everysingle time

kullervo is health frame

he running overguard

[solar reef]

augmented plus red one shard makes more ability strength than stacking tri-umbral + health shards with bellicose

[midnight horizon]

just run high ah range with the augment and there you go your survivability

[pale belfry]

use with warcry subsume + eternal

running around the map

[solar reef]

what does this do for survivability i dont play kullervo

[lethal bison]

i believe this one is in new loka

stonks

[pale belfry]

his 2 by default, gonna charge overguard but if the skill dont find anything to charge, all the knife gonna fck you up

[midnight horizon]

Your daggers just circle around you, targetting any nearby enemy depending on your range. Each hit regens your og. Basically dollar store dante

So you want high range high duration to be lazy tanking

[solar reef]

ah

[pale belfry]

his augment keep the knife flowing around with duration instead instant active

[mellow nest]

Im sure this has been solved already but do you have another prime with a reactor btw?
Theres also many that are very cheap platinum wise that you could get

[pale belfry]

so just use it instead armor and hp

[midnight horizon]

Don't bother with triumbral just go umbral intensify if you still want more strength

[solar reef]

<@&778745217037238293>

[pale belfry]

blind rage or transient would be better slot over of it

[mellow nest]

<@&778745217037238293> not sure if this is smth

Oh fast malz

[solar reef]

bro failed to @ everyone lol

[mellow nest]

Lmao

[midnight horizon]

Idt that command even works. Disabled here

[mellow nest]

Top mods

[lethal bison]

i prefer blind rage lol because more duration!!!!!!

[mellow nest]

Indeed, duration is very hard to handle

[lethal bison]

and arcane energize can save the day i think

[pale belfry]

molt augment

[midnight horizon]

For kullervo?

[pale belfry]

🤣

[midnight horizon]

He really don't need that much energy

[lethal bison]

just get him blind rage + power drift, boom, 200+ str

[deep grotto]

Hm?

[midnight horizon]

Don't be a wuss, run 500+ str like I do

[mellow nest]

Hmm!

[midnight horizon]

Kullervo red crit propaganda

[lethal bison]

red red red crits 🥀

[solar reef]

haters will say you dont need 1000+% CC

[mellow nest]

You can do a bunch of rotations on arbis with most frames fairly decently due to shield gate or damage negation is what I wanted to say

[lethal bison]

but yeah i do think molt augmented + arcane fury will do him nuts

[mellow nest]

His wallet too

[lethal bison]

catalyzing shields on kullervo must be crazy guys

[pale belfry]

wut the hel

this guy used too much shield gating...

[mellow nest]

Well it works on pretty much any frame that can use their abilities every second

But yeah, can probably do better

<@&778745217037238293>

Nice

[viral bison]

does this have potential to be used?

[lethal bison]

i put brief respite on everyone

[pale belfry]

brother, its health frame....

[lethal bison]

waiter waiter more shields!!

[pale belfry]

somebody call abulance....

[solar reef]

no, not really

its a meme gun and has been for like 5 years

no riven can make up for how mediocre it is

[brittle sleet]

Not a real Grakata user if you haven't modded it for Shivering Contagion cold and pinned down a demolyst for a minute straight

[lucid sluice]

im trying to get tenet arca plasmor, should i use toxin or magnetic or sumn for progenitor?

[novel bear]

Only with primed redirection and arcane aegis

Otherwise it does nothing

[cobalt nacelle]

#warframe-general message

fellas, do i roll or not

[onyx monolith]

catalyzing kullervo, as meta as triumbra nova

[mellow nest]

That works?

Couldnt tell if it was a joke : D

[novel bear]

No

[mellow nest]

It does work because of restoring the shield fast enough is what you mean?

Because that doesnt work

[novel bear]

Kullervo doesn’t have shields

This doesn’t work

[gaunt wasp]

He has the ability to generate overguard tho

[mellow nest]

Right, forgot about that lmao. You tricked me!

[gaunt wasp]

Kullervo my beloved

[upper flicker]

Does anyone have a good all around rhino build they could send a screenshot of? Windows+shift+”S” then drag a box around. Please mention any subsume and best to avoid as it’s for a newer player

[deep grotto]

Screenshot tutorial amuses me

[rancid mirage]

I dont have all the mods to test this build but I am wondering if someone is willing to test my build out. Ty in advance

[trail hinge]

whats the new cowbarf again?

[trail hinge]

seems like it should work, i personally find archon intensify a little annoying to work with but this looks like itd be fun

[rancid mirage]

i dont have archon mods yet so I cant test it

[trail hinge]

not sure what Impetus is doing unless youre cooking something crazy

[rancid mirage]

js a flex spot with lil bit of ability effi or is ability effei capped at 175?

[proud anchor]

Capped at 175

[trail hinge]

you might as well do molt aug

[rancid mirage]

rip ig guardian or js energize or molt aug?

[trail hinge]

impetus here is just getting one stack off the shock mote

[novel bear]

Crabsweat

[rancid mirage]

can the pull subsume magnetic trigger it?

[trail hinge]

condition overload, reach, attack speed, bane, speed, weeping wounds???

[trail hinge]

i dont think pull actually does magnetic procs

[novel bear]

Blood rush instead of bane, steel instead of speed, electric, antifaction, tennokai

[rancid mirage]

so magnetic dmg isnt actually magnetic?

[trail hinge]

impetus is great on frames that can proc a tonnnn of elemental status effects

[proud anchor]

So koumei, citrine, and lavos

[trail hinge]

see this is logical. youre thinking normal. however

[trail hinge]

voruna too and titania (with secondary encumber)

[proud anchor]

To be fair it took a couple years for slash dash to deal slash damage

[novel bear]

Loki

[proud anchor]

Those 3 as well

[zealous rapids]

I was running similar thing during plague star

[novel bear]

I think jade and dante have high enough status for encumber too

[trail hinge]

anyway since impetus cares about number of individual separate status types, even IF pull procced magnetic statuses youd only get 2 stacks which isnt worth slotting over generically good things like molt aug

[rancid mirage]

how many stack is considered worth it?

js in like general

[zealous rapids]

can slot belicose instead of impetus

[trail hinge]

archon intensify looks good on paper but some people (me) find managing the extra strength buff too fussy

[rancid mirage]

doesnt combat displine js trigger it automatically?

[novel bear]

Yes

[zealous rapids]

it does when you kill mobs and heal with motes

[rancid mirage]

any how, good to know that one of aarcane was useless and this is updated build

[zealous rapids]

it also triggers when you get hp mote for the 1st time that increase your hp

[trail hinge]

ohhh i didnt know that one

that makes it pretty easy to proc consistently then

same loop as if you use arcane bellicose, pop down a single health mote, get the buff, then cast fused reservoir

[novel bear]

Wisp is better off just using invisibility compared to healthtanking
Crepuscular is good

Works with breach surge

[rancid mirage]

yea i wanted to make high effi wisp build so i can spam ability

[trail hinge]

yeah then do crepuscular, you can just jump to get the strength + crit chance buff

[zealous rapids]

use steadfast arcane then

[onyx lily]

Hi ! best build for kuva sobek on saryn ?

[rancid mirage]

i dont have but is it reliable?

ig it should work for 175 effi build

[zealous rapids]

if you add high efficiency, it's pretty reliable for spamming abilities

[novel bear]

It’s reliable
It’s annoying to farm

[rancid mirage]

i will make a note of it

also does arcane avenger crit works against felarx?

[zealous rapids]

if you use no-crit build - yes

since it gives flat buff to crit, like puncture procs

[rancid mirage]

oh so i can js do steadfast and guardian

kinda works out

[zealous rapids]

why guardian? use cerpuscular, since keeping invis active is pretty easy for wisp

you just jump a bit

[rancid mirage]

yea I use grouping (ariburst/pull), and then breach surge or js breach right away

I dont like jumping to get invis

[zealous rapids]

you can cast 2 to get it

[rancid mirage]

when you like doudle tap it?

double

[zealous rapids]

no? while 2 specter is active main wisp is invisible

[mellow nest]

It should really just refresh whenever you get health from an ability, but it can only run out and reactivate

[rancid mirage]

yea that ability str and crit is nice but Idk about 3 sec and I feel like automatic armor feels nicer

[trail hinge]

acid shells and whatever else you feel like

[onyx lily]

what about this

[rancid mirage]

hello fellow vertical monitor user

[onyx lily]

^^

[rancid mirage]

but how is your vertical monitor so much bigger than horizontal

[deep grotto]

Peak wallpaper

[proper surge]

goated or groded?

[zealous rapids]

it's good, but some harmless negative could've made it op

[proper surge]

i'll keep it as it is because i dont think it'd be worth it to keep rolling. dont look a gift horse in the mouth

[zealous rapids]

boar prime has pretty high dispo, and its incarnon is very good

[proper surge]

yeah i noticed the dispo when i got it i was bewildered

[zealous rapids]

so rolling a bit for better stats is worth, imo

[proper surge]

righty, i'll get on that then

thanks for the feedback

[zealous rapids]

I usually get 10 rolls for new rivens trying to get something decent

[upper flicker]

You’d be amazed how many people I’ve met that don’t know.😅

[chilly bronze]

Hey folks. Any reccomendations to get a stalhta and jupiter effective dps, potentially enough for steel path?

[karmic beacon]

What's a good Praedos build?

[pure reef]

Stahlta gets extra bonuses from Galvanised Aptitude. Look into 'Condition Overload' as a gameplay mechanic to learn more

[pure reef]

Neither, it's middle of the roaded. Crit isn't bad on Boar Incarnon with the evolution that improves it, but IMO the status chance evolution mogs the crit one. Over 200% base status chance on a heat damage chaining beam weapon kinda hard to ignore

[slender vine]

What would be a good Subsume on Valkyr?

I barely use her 3.

[next dune]

what are the current best weapons to spread spores with saryn?

i love using her, but trying to up my game with her. always seem to have a hard time building dmg with her spores

[gray iris]

depends on what you want to build her for, nourish or roar would work best tbh

[slender vine]

I thought of them but she doesnt lack power, she hits in millions already, so anything that provides good utility?

[grave cloak]

Lycath's hunt is the more common subsume

[slender vine]

I will test it out

Anything else?

[grave cloak]

You can be ungovernable and use xata's whisper subsume

[brittle sleet]

I mean if you want utility, look at utility picks. She already has grouping, doesn't have damage vulnerability if you subsume off Paralysis, or energy generation, doesn't have (direct) damage buffs, doesn't have crowd control

[grave cloak]

You really don't need damage vulnerability on a frame that hits for millions already without it to be fair.

Which is why paralysis is the insta subsume slot.

[brittle sleet]

Armor strip also something she lacks but doesn't need

[slate pelican]

Trying to understand how status works, this epitaph prime build freezes enemies in place as well as doing the other status effects, viral, etc. Is it freezing b/c status chance is over 100%?

[rancid mirage]

iirc, when status chance is over 100 then it can do more than one element in a hit, freezing is prob the epitaph bc there is no cold in that build

[slate pelican]

That's why I'm stumped, cold isn't listed anywhere, not for quick shot, quick shot radial, or charged shot, and unique trait is for Sevagoth and headshots

[slender vine]

Yeah thats why I am not feeling Roar or Nourish, dammage is there

And for lv 250 I dont have any survivability issues

Thats why I asked about utility, or maybe something when things get really tough is ETA/EDA

[slate pelican]

well damn it sure doesn't show up anywhere thanks

[rancid mirage]

is the wiki

dont use fandom

[slate pelican]

well no i mean it should state in-game, i'd assume a bug before checking any wiki, thank you for your time

[rancid mirage]

did hover over the unique characteristic?

[slate pelican]

yeah its + 20% headshot dmg when Sevagoth uses it

[fathom sky]

It mentions the cold proc in the arsenal description

Wait no nvm

It kinda does

[slate pelican]

Yeah, kinda lol

well let there be mysteries I suppose

[rancid mirage]

yea its implied but it doesnt show in stats which is kinda buns

[rancid mirage]

also u prob dont want to use galvanized mod on primers

primer = no skill = no bouses

and target cracker and bulls too

[slender vine]

It can be built for damage tho, but IDK if thats their intention

[rancid mirage]

i dont own one so idk but can it run steel path without external help?

[slender vine]

It can indeed, and I t dealt millions on Acolites

[slate pelican]

its a WIP for sure but they're already maxed and haven't its kind of a hybrid I guess? Interested in doing both damage or status w/o too much forma

[slender vine]

Arcane Cascadia Flare, sorry for the quality I am on playstation

[slender vine]

In case you wanna use it for DPS your main damage is charged shots, quick shots are for priming

[rancid mirage]

do you need wind up for it or can you js pull it out for a kill?

[slender vine]

Wdym wind up?

Like set up?

[rancid mirage]

like multi shot, base dmg, etc

[slender vine]

Yeah, base damage comes from the Arcane

[rancid mirage]

i was going to build one for primer but ig i am building two

[slender vine]

On acolites I do a couple quick shots to slow them then do some charged, if you have heat on your pet or frame damage skyrockets

[slate pelican]

I've not gone very deep in Steel Path but it does feel like it slaps. I need many more trips to Baro, only seen him 2 or 3x so far in my journies.

[slender vine]

For Primer you can go for Scyotid (Oraxia pistol) it has built in utility aswell

But Epitaph is still great for priming over all

[rancid mirage]

I recenty got incarnons from zariman and now I want primer secondary to switching playstyle

[rancid mirage]

is the grouping on scyotid fast?

[slender vine]

Yeah, close to Mag's pull but not as fast

[rancid mirage]

I was kinda disappointed with nautilus grouping

[slender vine]

Not slow by any means

[mighty flare]

its an ensare, if you ever used that

[rancid mirage]

ensnare?

[mighty flare]

khoras ability

[rancid mirage]

oh ok

[rancid mirage]

oh yea forgot to answer the question, no I js use airburst

reason: flinging them around is kinda funny

[onyx monolith]

scytoid prime when

[grave cloak]

come back in 4 years

[midnight horizon]

Aside from health conversion, what other niche can I have with stacking up health orbs

[grave cloak]

maybe stack up arcane blessing

[midnight horizon]

Yeah done that too

It's for inaros

He's using lycaths hunt with melee

What else besides conversion and blessing

[latent jetty]

Just wondering's there any mod that reduces magazine size? Like one of those corrupt ones that usually increase damage at the cost of something

For secondaries i mean

[midnight horizon]

I only know one for snipers

[midnight horizon]

Wait mystic bond works on diriga's arc coil?

Bro... One of the most spammable sentinel abilities and they made it work on mystic bond

Ain nobody taking arcane energize seriously anymore

[gleaming elbow]

Should I swap augur message with defending mod like adaption, rolling, or any other mod ? or just keep it ?

[lost hull]

a riven

[willow zenith]

Guys, in what different builds can War be good?

[fossil stratus]

Just got a second coda bassocyst what status should I keep for the fusion magnetic or heat

[grave cloak]

Probably magnetic but I'd use an elemental vice to change it

[grave cloak]

None unfortunately, the weapon is just bad

[midnight horizon]

@hearty scarab bro sorry for pinging you a lot but I gotta tell you, restorative bond + primed regen + sacrifice + lycaths hunt + synth deconstruct literally lets you revive as much as you want instantly

My inaros got lifesteal and now infinite instantaneous revives, all thanks to diriga my goat

[tardy lily]

Oh my did you say a life steal build me like,mind sharing it

[midnight horizon]

Gime a sec

[midnight horizon]

I mean for the lifesteal part you just gotta need a nikana and amalgam daikyu, or just coda hirudo

[tardy lily]

For the mods IG but why the diriga

[midnight horizon]

For infinite instantaneous revives

Diriga procs a lot of status effects which upkeeps lycaths hunt, lycaths hunt gives a lot of health orbs, if you die diriga dies in your place, revive diriga instantly with restorative bond (using the health orbs from lycath) and primed regen

All the while you use melee (in my case, nikana lifesteal build) to trigger lycath's health orb drops

[tardy lily]

Hmmmm oh I see what your built , for a moment I thought you made a passive life steal build

[midnight horizon]

That's just arcane grace

[tardy lily]

With the spaghetti code we have I wouldn't have been surprised

[midnight horizon]

I mean you could do that too with just grace and a whole lotta health

[sacred sapphire]

does anyone know which circuit normal frame is good to get? the ones that are hard to grind

[pale belfry]

hardest one is nidus

take that

khora, mesa,...

[tardy lily]

I usually just go for the buffs they give in the helminth then down from there

[frosty fjord]

Ash if you don’t want to play railjack or Nyx if you want to skip Phorid farm
Saryn if you want to skip Kela De Thaym farm or Vauban if you don’t want to buy him from nightwave
Oberon if you don’t want to play railjack BUT we’re soon getting a freebie anyways
Mesa if you don’t want to fight Mutalist Alad V or Atlas if you don’t want to fight Jordas Golem
Ivara if you don’t want to do Spy farming
Nidus/Octavia/Harrow any of the 3, personally I farmed Nidus and Octavia and got Harrow from Circuit
Khora if you don’t want to farm Sanctuary Onslaught
Baruuk if you don’t want to farm Vox Solaris standing or Hildryn if you don’t want to be at the mercy of RNG from Exploiter, regardless you’ll still need to get the toroids for either of them anyways
the rest are imo easy enough to get, being unlocked from quests or imo easy bossfights

[fickle meteor]

its good?

[visual kettle]

opinions?

[grave cloak]

can be better

[lost hull]

free oberon between the 15th to the 20th

[zealous rapids]

you use enervate but don't have cd mods other than magnetic might

[visual kettle]

Very helpful, question is how

[grave cloak]

toss out magnetic might for primed target cracker
toss out convulsion for primed convulsion

[visual kettle]

Trust me, I would have used it if I had primed version

Anything USEFUL?

[grave cloak]

and target cracker?

even the base version

[lost hull]

furax with the amalgam mod (increases secondary fire rate)

[velvet pulsar]

And "combo duration paused when holstered" incarnon perk

Also furax being the wraith version for secondary outburst

[agile vortex]

Can anyone give me a Furis incarnon build pwease

[eternal junco]

can anyone share a shardless nova build

[muted beacon]

Builds for Skiajati (Excalibur umbra)? With this

[grave cloak]

use the 2 sacrificial mods, then the other 6 mods are just influence slop. shocking touch, blood rush, reach, berserker fury, last mod can be killing blow or racism mod

[tired root]

Need some help with my mag build, been having a lot of fun with them, and I would like to use them in steel path but I'm having a bit of an issue with survivability. I know my mods aren't fully leveled, I'm working on it

[grave cloak]

toss out redirection for rolling guard

[steep oasis]

Does anyone know how equinox duality clone behaves with a melee weapon?
Does it only use normal attacks?

[granite ginkgo]

the augment correct? it only use primary, if u use secondary n melee, then it use secondary, when u equip with melee only it perform melee atk

[midnight horizon]

I give up tryna make saryn survivable with manual shieldgating

So I go health tank saryn instead uwooooooooooogh

[granite ginkgo]

use gloom subsume, make saryn tank af

[midnight horizon]

I don't use gloom either

[steep oasis]

Ok ty, so with melee equipped it only uses the basic attack

[midnight horizon]

Just the same setup I did for inaros

[granite ginkgo]

since spore DoT it help with hp steal

[granite ginkgo]

yep

[midnight horizon]

Using nikana prime on saryn mmmmmmmmmmmm

Both their primes come at the same time too

Canonical pair

[steep oasis]

i had a heavy attack and slide attack crit riven for reaper

[granite ginkgo]

life steal from nikana come from daikyu amalgam augment, i mean why the heck this pair is okDE

[granite ginkgo]

use decent melee build, even influence proc with duality - but i dont think u have any issues since the clone have 300% increase in stat

[midnight horizon]

Thats the thing im using on saryn

[muted beacon]

Someone can share his build for gotva prime?

[midnight horizon]

Health tank lifesteal saryn uwoooooogh

[grave cloak]

health tanking saryn oh my

[granite ginkgo]

eh i wont push it

[grave cloak]

cooking

[steep oasis]

Ty, i'll try

[midnight horizon]

Don't tell me to use aegis on her

Or on anyone for that matter

[grave cloak]

use catalyzing shields?

[midnight horizon]

I hate no effort tanking

[granite ginkgo]

naur, i use nourish since i build her as weapon platform

[midnight horizon]

Same thing. It's either you tank with no effort using arcane aegis, or you do manual shieldgating which costs a f ton of energy every time

[steep oasis]

I use it on lavos

[midnight horizon]

I ain choosing either side of evil, im going health tank 😈

[midnight horizon]

Yeah lavos can't manually shieldgate so it's a given

Your other only option is pillage

[grave cloak]

vazarin?

no?

use vazarin

[midnight horizon]

Haven't touched on that arthitis simulator in years

We getting carpal tunnel with this one

[steep oasis]

It prevents an element, so i dont use it, it is valid if u want to give up ice element and sprint

[grave cloak]

I mean you can rebind your crouch button

[granite ginkgo]

people who use warframe 100% and no op/drifer or pets is another lvl of comitment

[midnight horizon]

Im not saying any of these methods are bad, just that each of them have their own inconvenience that I don't wanna deal with

[astral tinsel]

I used to do that...

With regenerative molt

[midnight horizon]

I thought about regen molt but it's too slow of a heal so ima just go the usual melee lifesteal method

[astral tinsel]

But she's a bit too squishy to do it on SP

[astral tinsel]

So Hirudo?

[granite ginkgo]

nikana w daikyu augment

[midnight horizon]

Hirudo was my first goto but I want something fast and feels good to use so I use nikana p

[astral tinsel]

Hirudo is pretty fast

[granite ginkgo]

think it might scale w enemy lvl, if u bypass shield/armor

[astral tinsel]

And the coda version is sick with influence

[midnight horizon]

Im sure performance wise it's better than the nikana, and I do have one with 60% elec

But yk I'll just stick to nikana cuz it also came out with saryn prime

[astral tinsel]

You could also go sancti magistar

[midnight horizon]

Ooh ur right, forgot that thing also heals

[granite ginkgo]

if he like slam build or heavy mechanic

[astral tinsel]

It heals on all hits with the incarnon

or at least used to

[mellow nest]

I think the groundslam heals too?

[midnight horizon]

Im outside so I can't ss but I think the health tank saryn build goes like this
Growing power
Psf
Umbral vitality
Umbral intensify
Blind rage
Equilibrium
Venom dose
Adaptation
Health conversion
Streamlined form (I like slide attacks)
Arcane blessing
Arcane strike
Using lycaths hunt subsume

The nikana build is the usual standard (but with primed tox), meanwhile the diriga has restorative bond and sacrifice and primed regen so if I die I can insta revive myself and my diriga for infinite revives

[granite ginkgo]

but the animation tho, worst with paper frame like

[midnight horizon]

I cooked fr

For added protection I'm using fortification on nikana (cuz saryn don't need no more dps)

What yall think???

[granite ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[midnight horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-chicago-cubs-dance-excited-funny-moves-gif-15069647

It's ok if yall don't vibe the same as long as everyone's having fun

[granite ginkgo]

i mean as long u have fun, and the build work

meta focus people tend to differ

[midnight horizon]

I been on all sides

Been a meta slave been a Idgaf player been on the middle

Now I turn off damage numbers and just slash things when I feel like it

[steep oasis]

https://overframe.gg/build/903258/
How is this?

[granite ginkgo]

how what?

it heavy build atk, but since lack of galv so might consider

[mellow nest]

Might do that too actually, turning off the damage numbers that is

Could also look into companions for more health restore

[midnight horizon]

Once you've done damagecap this integral overflow that it don't matter how much dmg you do anymore

As long as you know your enemies gon die in less than 2 seconds or smth

[mellow nest]

Indeed

[deep edge]

does archon intensify works on wisp? i heard that it doesnt work on heal over time

[midnight horizon]

Yes but it needs to heal actual lost health

Works on the increased max hp and the heal over time

Which is why I like to use combat discipline to trigger archon intensify and avenger and nourish

[velvet pulsar]

Either combat discipline or Coda Hema for controlled missing health

[shrewd forum]

can someone give me smeeta kavat build?

[fluid crest]

I want to build a MOA is Shield > Health or the other way around ?

Gonna put baro skin on it so appearance doesnt really matter

[velvet pulsar]

Shield

[mellow nest]

The survivability sucks on the moas. Now I'm no expert but from what I know you'd go for the blast shield precept and try to bank on the overshield to do its job.
You can also use warframes like Protea to extra shield your Moa and give it a longer shield gate / restore its shield quickly to benefit from blast shield again

Not sure if you can actually do it on moas but shield link exists too

[fluid crest]

Isnt that only good if you use frame with lots of shield ? Like hyldrin ?

I usually use lavos and kullervo

[mellow nest]

Yes and no, it still gets more shield but it won't be that much

Oof well its likely the Moa struggles big time on high lvl then

[fluid crest]

I already have hounds and panzer for high level

I just want to use that baro moa skin lol

And at least a usable moa

[velvet pulsar]

@fluid crest
I've got several options for ya to get advantage of Moa

[fluid crest]

Also which weapon is good ? I have helstrum already maxed and modded because who dont like micro missiles

[velvet pulsar]

1. manifold bond. Since u use lavos, it'll be easy to proc it. Basically anyway to make manifold bond easy to proc means your moa will spam Blast Shield. Also keep blast shield precept in high priority (priority of precepts begin from top left corner to right, then bottom left corner to right in companion mod screen)

2. Reinforced bond + synth Deconstruct. Basically use weapons and make a habit of holstering them to reload and keep recharging Moa shields in times of distress.

3. Any shield recharge frame like protea's 1 or hildryn's 3. Or maybe any other form of hit negation like upcoming oberon rework passive or revenant giving mesmer skin charges to companions by... I think reaving through them.

4. The best one! Nyx. Absorb (and more importantly, Assimilate) keeps all robotic companions invulnerable as long as it is active (in case of Assimilate, you're invulnerable, and so your Moa is too!)

[velvet pulsar]

I use blast modded Verglas Prime which double dips on Summoner's Wrath and I have duplex bond on my Moa so in total I have 4 immortal Moa running around with me who can destroy the meanest of enemies

[fluid crest]

I am still sad that lavos cant work with duplex bond T_T

[velvet pulsar]

Every single EDA & ETA, even if I don't get proper weapon recommendation, even if gear embargo is a constraint, I take my Nyx with my Moa and this synergy alone gets the job done.

[velvet pulsar]

Honestly lavos is so good that duplex is not required
Half of duplex bond is to drop energy orbs, which lavos doesn't really need.
The other half of duplex bond is making companion clones, and what do they achieve? More damage, faster kills, or wider priming.
Lavos already primes enemies in a huge radius that all of that is not required

[fluid crest]

Is there any way to bring dethcube with lavos ? I like its skin

[grave cloak]

Wdym "bring dethcube with lavos" just equip dethcube?

[fluid crest]

Make it at least good with lavos, or is it just more damage companion

[velvet pulsar]

Dethcube is mostly known for energy orb spam

[fluid crest]

Yeah that is the issue, it is only good for that

[velvet pulsar]

Nothing else makes it unique compared to other sentinels after this

[fluid crest]

Can I use it so lavos passive keeps active ?

Like how reliable is its energy orb ?

[velvet pulsar]

Well yes but will that make a big difference that's the question

[pale belfry]

just expand your loadout and i will fit almost all case.

[grave cloak]

it is reliable lol, you're guaranteed an energy orb after dethcube assists in 10 kills. now the question is whether you need it.

[deep edge]

does molt augmented and arcane bellicose stacks?

[pale belfry]

it does

wisp for example

[solar reef]

You dont really NEED an insane companion, its just really nice. Lavos does his own priming anyways.
Use the companions you like, as long as it has a good weapon and Vacuum.

I know people who level cap with deathcube/carrier just because its what they’ve been using for 8+ years

you’ll be fine

[pale belfry]

just use whatever you want

except you want something like min max

level cap never required an insane compaion

[solar reef]

^^^

[pale belfry]

you could barely run without it

[solar reef]

it just really helps

companions at level cap are usually just priming tools (diriga) anyways

[pale belfry]

dont make a thing more complicated and overatted it. Like "i cant play the game without riven, incarnon, digira,..."

[solar reef]

which lavos does on his own

[pale belfry]

man,just get good

[solar reef]

you dont understand!!!! I NEED a Torid riven! its essential!!! Why else would they cost a gajillion plat!!!

https://tenor.com/view/braindead-cat-brain-damage-gif-583403308765934478

[pale belfry]

i was never care about riven

it was never my option in every single time.

If i get a rivn? Yeah, nice, if not? Yeah nice

[solar reef]

bro has no ambition, you could have been one roll away from a godroll

invest ALL of your platinum into volatile rivens 🤑

[pale belfry]

if i got something fun, i will keep it. Not sell

🤣

Like this.

[pale belfry]

hope i get some good roll unrolled riven

for collection

or a racist unrolled riven would be nice

[fluid crest]

Phazor or Harpen, HP or Armor ?

[minor isle]

?

[buoyant patio]

Right.

Still not an amazing roll, but you can slot it over Blaze if you're using that, or your heat mod.

[mellow jewel]

How does this look? I plan to use it with Loki mainly and the riven will have Toxin on it

[grave cloak]

hunter munitions is a bit weird

[mellow jewel]

To get the slash for viral. It's not being used anymore these days?

Should I just switch it with something like hammer shot?

[charred gale]

Slash got nerfed in jade shadows so ppl dont rly use it anymore

[mellow jewel]

Oh. I forgot about that

[raven escarp]

does anyone here have personal prime gauss build that is beginner friendly here? im just mr 9

[thick tiger]

Anyone got a good Volt speed build I tried Gauss but I didnt like the control of mach rush

[velvet pulsar]

I don't need to

Specially after archgun update

[pale belfry]

you could go double DOT like gas + elect

or use blast + elect + xata subsume

[pale belfry]

If you want.

If ETA or EDA disable gear wheel

[velvet pulsar]

Like I said, companion damage will still be unrestricted

[mellow jewel]

I need to get normal xaku in that case. If I go for gass should I go for the 60/60 mod? Instead of primed cryo rounds?

[velvet pulsar]

And I play squad
However, I do expand my loadout

[pale belfry]

Well, its your game anyway. Imma just expand my loadout. And i dont have to think about that

[velvet pulsar]

It's just I won't build literally everything I own

[mellow jewel]

I still don't have him crafted or subsumed

[pale belfry]

Its game about the time. Just go slowly and you become heavy when you got all

[velvet pulsar]

Atleast I'm happy with workarounds right now

[pale belfry]

No longer care about ETA/EDA loadout since you got heavy loadout

[pale belfry]

its fine.

Just like xata could spread the blast

[velvet pulsar]

I wish Astral Bond and blast verglas had same synergy

[mellow nest]

Do you have

• Continunity
• Streamline
• Stretch
• Augur Reach
• Augur Message
• Constitution
• Vitality or Augmentation mod
• Rush if you dont have an Exilus Adapter

It would fit easily within the mod capacity, no forma needed. Assuming you have a reactor ofc

You can recharge your shield with the Augur mods. Keep the battery high and use redline extensively.
I recommend watching or reading a dedicated guide on him

But there's a lot of different ways of doing it, which all depends on your access to later mods ofc

[pale belfry]

last one is up to you

his 2 could provide a little energy source

[weary crown]

I think I can help you

The build depends on how you want to play him tho

[pale belfry]

volt speed ability scale with strength, so you need trength. Use sprint speed mod like sprint boost + rush.

[weary crown]

Gauss scales off sprint speed

I think also cast speed, its a weird mechanic

[pale belfry]

use with some incarnon weapon that could boost your sprint speed like ceramic dagger, pradeos,...

[hearty scarab]

I’d reccomend trying out masters summon panzer as well then

Also if you just want better arcane grace just use hunter recovery on panzer

[midnight horizon]

I see

I'm still trying things out

[hearty scarab]

Also for the infinite revive thing

Inaros can already do that automatically if you just have kavats

The sand kavats up from his 4 or augment with 1

But having a 2nd safety net helps but idk when you’d die as Inaros below level 1k-2.5k

[mellow nest]

A lesser main might die at lvl 100

[hearty scarab]

Bro.

You can rock Inaros in steel path with 3 mods.

Adaptation vitality and steel fiber

Maybe not past level 200 though

I’ll test it out

But if you use his augment you can kinda infinite loop HP anyway

[lost hull]

Feel like inaros kinda should have gotten attenuation with his scarab Swarm augment or something like all damage turning into dot that cannot exceed 10% of his max health per second at max Swarm, minimum being 50%

[vital wing]

currently buliding warframeFlos protea prime build withought helminth as i have not got it unlocked yet. just wanted to know if it is any good or are they any better ones i can use withought the helminth

[lost hull]

You have some good primary and secondary grouping tool if that's the subsume that the build wants

[vital wing]

confused whaty do you mean?

[lost hull]

Clumping enemies together boosts her 2 combo faster

[vital wing]

only mastery 17 and just unlocked steel path so still getting the ropes of building better builds for my frames to make em durable....same with weapons

[vital wing]

really?

second is the turrets right?

[lost hull]

Yup

Oraxia secondaries and the more infested cernos both group enemies

[vital wing]

so do i keep working on getting the helminth to unlock the subsume and then put on a grouping ability?

like if i were to use calibans 1st with his new augment?

[mellow nest]

If you want to improve your builds then Id work on the mods before the subsumes

[lost hull]

That's usually how it goes but the other build is just her 2 and 4 augment to strip armor and have turret on you during the rewind, it maxes at x20 so clump is less important in the abilities

[vital wing]

okay 🙂

[mellow nest]

Oh this is about Protea?

[lost hull]

Yup

[vital wing]

yeah

[mellow nest]

Man Ive been playing her nonstop for like 100h now

[vital wing]

mb wrong reply

[lost hull]

All good

[mellow nest]

She's actually MY beloved, not yours

[vital wing]

i just got her the other day and shes so fun

[mellow nest]

Right after my gf

[vital wing]

oh okay XD

[vital wing]

valid

[mellow nest]

Lemme catch up, dont want to steal Grims thunder here

[lost hull]

Her and vauban making mini sun's is fun

[vital wing]

if i wanted to use the clumping would i have to get rid of her 4th because it seems kinda pointless atm

[lost hull]

Yes

[vital wing]

im not a fan of vauban tbh

[mellow nest]

Are you using the Blaze Artillery a lot? Its super broken but it can also make you very lazy if you overuse it

[vital wing]

played him untill i got him max rank and the sold him

[lost hull]

I use him often enough and I like him, still salty that the tesla are now drones