#lore-discussion
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Iirc Caesar has a good theory about them and dualism
Which the kids already fall one the rule
Name thing
"Tell me... just between us... she must be a fiend behind closed doors, yes?"
"You know, in Orokin times, it was quite customary for multiple partners to engage in - never mind. I would never hear the end of it..."
"No, I am not jealous. I am quite happy for you both. Why would you even begin to think otherwise?"
I don't know Roathe
WONDER WHY WED THINK YOU'RE JEALOUS ROATHE.
Roathes a tsundere in the 3rd one im crine
racist tsundere
I'll give you bonus info too
Somehow I immediately went to Julius and not, you know, me
Like its not impossible
The first mention of dualism was the new war and that was also where we got the Dax litany. actually it was the sacrifice where ballas mentions it being the major religion before the Vain Faith. Where things comes in two parts.
In 2021 it was slightly expanded on by giving us the Dax litany
2024 gave us 1999, which has dualism relevant (mainly as the religion the fascists hijacked)
2025 expanded on it even further with the triad
First mention was Sacrifice
Ballas says it when talking about Void
"temporal twins" sounds like something protea does ngl
I quite like "star twins" cause of their names
Yeah but it doesn't have the alliteration
overrated
do you guys think the man in the wall is the true villan or he could be just a type of messeger
or its just an a void god like creature and he dosnt know what is happening
ok but what if he could be acting i mean everything is possible
Man in the Wall isn't a god he's the villain of this arc that was made based on Albrecht’s emotions when in the Void
true but if the man in the wall is so powerfull and if he wanted to kill us he could do that very easy ngl he could be just studying us to see how we think and how we act
He has tried to kill us and it failed
he could be fake it like tests you know gather info
Yeah lmao
in what quest was that i dont remeber well ngl mb
Whispers
Whispers, he tried to squash us
Wally is also a prisoner currently
Can only go to Void places
The only exception to this was due to a Void portal
And even then I theorise the Void sent Wally back which is why he disappeared
speaking of the void i didnt quite understand how did those people on the zaramin didnt go insane after all (the angels of the zaramin)
They killed themselves
quinn and the others (i forgot the name of the faction)
Also didn't have children which could've been part of what Wally made the thing as
i mean yeah that makes sense
It might've eventually got to them though
because like the "angels" are the zaramin crew but quinn and the others are not (atleast not yet) and they are like not agressive (quinn and the others)
They killed themselves or were killed can't remember all their exact fates
k thx
btw when i was doing "the new war" i saw one kid drawing on the zaramin something like a demon (could be wallie) but the only one that is confirm to know wallie is Rell but he wasnt with the other kids and i was kinda confused because if that drawing was meant to be wallie a that means Rell wasnt the only one to know the precense of wallie in the zaramin
(like i said idk what that drawing coulbe be but it was like a figure)
Which one did it look like?
the one with a mouth
and the shadow person too
Shadow Rell before Shadow Rell
It sort of shows that Wally was influencing the Zariman before it ever got there
k got it
Youd think this one would be the first one to think of
maybe
Wdym maybe that IS wally 😭
Me crawling out of my bed after only sleeping 2 hours during night
Me too tbh
Especially when I didnt have a bed frame
Id crawl out on all 4s 💔
My poor spine
I needed to study for a test today
I missed an appointment today cuz I was passed the hell out 😭
Cleaned too late into the night and didn't get nearly enough sleep to function
Mainly fixing the vacuum though
the answers are ACBEADCABEAABC, trust
No theyre gonna be AABCAABC... trust
Or like
Would he prefer dino nuggets..
Would albrecht like dinosaurs
-1mi99
Genuinely though dinosaur warframe feels like an autumn update i cant tell you why
Feels too out of the way for the first update of the year, too niche for the middle and last update
Iguanadon frame with exalted thumbs
I need orb frame
Alternatively we need a railjack upgrade that turns it into a zord
And Heat based to bully more ember mains
May be cause winter is after? is on theme with nuclear winter, what killed the dinosaurs, etc
what killed the dinosaurs?
Me
too slow internet to get the gif 
It's Mr. Freeze from the Batman movies
Wow he kinda ugly and thats saying something if im saying he's ugly
I mean download and post faster, but it was on me for not thinking ahead
No worries
BROTHER why are we bringing up real life nominative determinism this is like me bringing up real life eternalism or dualism when discussing warframe lore outside highlighting the differences
Like 😭 this shit ain't real life man it could be a real phenomenon in-universe
The muck do dentists have to do with this?
I hope Grendel has a good Dentist
Is Helminth also a dentist
Yes
It has the chair if you think about it
Dental care so bad the teeth went outside in 1999
Dental care so bad Helminth had to grow new teeth
Helminth gets teeth from eating companions
so whats the lore with heirloom skin? aside from being gooner bait
most skins aren't canon
aaa
They're just old frame compensation for very basic prime skins
if thats the rationale, rhino prime deserved it. i dunno if he deserved getting a dad bod tho
Most old primes are just the basic skin with a different helmet and a color scheme with like one or two small bits attached
What do the cetus corpus actually sell?
Corpus tech
-# and corpus tech accessories
Whatever the hell kind of narcotics are available in the origin system
"I realized my error as I sweated by visionary nestawood cinders, beside Loid who curled pale and sick from chewing too much of the root”
There’s this
Horrek: "Kahl! When is your blue girl going to send us more polyps? I want my world to undulate again."
So, polyps
hey so i completed a exterminate mission in the void oxomoco to be spassific, and when i did alot of static came through sound wise then some orokin text started to appear with one of the orokin texts appearing red. has anyone else expirienced this?
Yeah its an old teaser for the second dream I believe
https://www.tumblr.com/oranzhs/817516821082210304/the-entrance-to-roathes-boss-arena-has-the-same
Also hello my group of likeminded individuals
What do we think of this post :? I never paid enough attention to the walls to notice them
The entrance to Roathe's boss arena has the same token as is seen around the Necralisk (and outside on Deimos) but is not associated with any of the upstairs Entrati family members, so could it be either a) Albrecht's token; b) a general Entrati family token?
-# #wf tag #screenshot #warframe
Grandfather tokens when?
The whole hell tower is his mind doing imterpretations of his memories, and he hates entrati, so makes sense there's Entrati aesthetic mixed there
Now if we're theorizing stuff, I'd say Entrati locked his memories and the symbol is at the locked door, so checks out at least
In 2030 when we finally catch albrechts time traveling ahh after giving bta to wally and he goes back to his daughter after 670 years of leaving her and then he becomes an npc vendor for tau items
Ah, surely that greeting includes me. 👀
No.
We are quite like minded. 
I cannot express how violently different we are.
what happened to bird 1 and 2
According to Tagfer, we should not ask
we shouldnt, but if i see a button that says do not press, imma press it
should we ask bird 3 what happened
He probably doesnt know himself lol
that's the one Tagfer warns you not to ask
That was a necraloid line, wasn't it?
Tbh
Albrecht does say most of them merely died
Yoooo
Does Chroma got a lore?
-# says next to the time traveller and nuclear core warframes
-# you deadass be joking rn....
-# he was at the time it seems qorvex wasn't in production
This is Chroma, an ancient legend, master of the elements.
When all the land is in ruins, Tenno, only Chroma will remain.” —Lotus
Huh
HUH....
Guess Ingame physics and lore physics is very different
Cause I saw a lot of players complaining that Chroma needs a rework
-# This is Chroma, an ancient legend, master of the elements.
-# mfw Cyte-09 and Lavos
Chorma SUCKS rn
Shit blows
As I heard
But in game lore says he is one of the most powerful warframe
Ike god damn who is this bish hahhaba
Your 3rd mother
Chroma is apart of earlyframe
2015 frame
Early frame but a good example of proof that lore ≠ gameplay
Chroma in the quest isn’t even marked as a Warframe
Well yeah but what I want is... Who is this Chroma guy
In the quest he’s marked as Sentient

If I remember correctly the skin he wears if of a sentient
or that was just a fan theory
Wait does Mommy Lotus even told us more why he is One of the Strongest Frames?
No
Dawg... We should interrogate her immediately
Chroma is actually the second tallest Warframe
It might’ve changed but it was true at one time
There is Dante now which might’ve changed it
He may have been called the strongest at the time due to his “mastery” over the elements
Now we have frames like Lavos :p
Chroma should have a rework that grants him his old title back
And maybe an expansion on his lore.
In game confirmation on his pelt is really all we need
...
You mean his pelt?
Yes
Auto correct
Pelt, Pet, basically the same thing.
"wen" is funny bc that's a german word...
Apologies
Was supposed to be intentional misspelling of English word
The pelt is believed to be a sentient’s, but that’s not really confirmed in game at all
Chroma was from I think before the sentients were...really a thing.
The devs have even talked about it lol
No?
Development wise and lore wise they were around iirc
No? I thought it was release before the natah quest.
Just before
The quest he features in is teasing the Sentients
The New Strange
Ye, like 5 months apart roughly
So the sentients are in their minds and def being worked on internally lol
Yup
Iirc Rebb has said his pelt is sentient but she may just be saying that because of the theory
Nothing in game confirms it 😔
But yeah a confirmation on his pelt being a sentient would be nice, but the fact he is, at least in the quest, called "one of the strongest" is...dated
Which is kinda sad
He was very much the strongest frame for a while
Very very dated yeah lol
Lavos alone lol
Tbf, he is up there among the old frames who can still wreak havoc in today's game
now hes just one of the ugliest since the pelt strips off all fashion
Chroma’s problem atm is his kit is kinda just old and a bit clunky but it has usable aspects
I mean he is dragon themed, and we have a dragon(ish) sentient in the dracolyst so like...it's very possible. But that also makes him...kinda messed up considering the old peace >w>;
Tbh I like that lol
You mean Dactolyst?
I guess.
Make him pre-treaty, and it works out
There’s no dragon sentient lol
No dracolyst anyway
Missed opportunity, ngl
I mean yeah but also it raises the question of if Chroma did that, what did the Uriel frames do to warrant being basically crucified?
It can be post treaty and still work, the war kept going lol
H u h ?
is Saryn the perfect old frame.
Chroma just killed a sentient and wears the pelt
And uses his void powers to animate it and make it do things.
Like
We were at war
Chroma ain’t special, he just carries around and utilizes his trophy lol
Chroma doesn’t have void powers
I’m assuming you mean through him being powered by it?
But also, if it’s sentient can it not just. Move on its own? Just “tethered” to Chroma
If I had a nickel for every game that had the Void that Children have died to or have been hurt by and then those children are used as weapons, I’d have like… 2 and a half nickles.
As per my understanding all the warframes are powered via the void, and through that they can do what they can. Cut off the heart of deimos which pumps the void into reality, and warframes stop being able to do what they can do.
What's the other game(s)?
Yes that’s exactly how that works, they’re powered by it
void powered, but without void powers
Hollow knight- and hollow knight silksong
it's like how humans are blood powered but don't have blood powers
AM I WEONG????
no but I wouldn't call the protag of either of t hose g ames a child.
At the minimum the abilities only work because of the void (not just because void powered)
But in Chroma’s situation the pelt isn’t part of the frame’s initial design
well the vessels weren't used as weapons
True but they were children when The void like- hurt them
How much of the frames OG design was changed because of the pelt, because if we go off the concept of 'sentient adaptation pelt' then his elemental switching gimmic for like 3 out of his 4 abilities is from his pelt.
whole being born in the voiddddd hollowed out and killeddd
Well o n e was-
they were born into it not really hurt by it
more storage device than weapon
Truuuue true
What did bro even do before the pelt lmao
I mean they taught HK how to fight so-
Not intended weapon
But ability to beeee one
It'd be interesting if he had a similar adaptation power
Like, the idea was that he'd grow into a form best able to fight the sentients, and landed on "you are what you eat" as a valid strategy
Good question, same one can be asked for Lavos honestly.
With his elemental powers I wonder if he was capable of taking down sentients by overwhelming them
Lavos is just better Chroma
FACTS
Chroma needs to steal mechanics from Lavos
Elemental themed
What did bro do before his thing
Reptile
People gas them up heavily or dump them entirely
-# They should kiss
The issue with taking mechanics from Lavos is the most obviously useful one is the alchemy mixing.
Which creates the issue of what his elemental ward would do, you'd have to expand it to include every elemental combo.
Ah
I found where the sentient pelt theory comes from
Yay the wiki actually sourced something! lmao
His original web page teaser from like 2014
So there was an update teaser and in that there’s this
"An ancient power awakens. An adaptable hunter, proudly wearing a trophy claimed from a race long forgotten."
Wiki is dating it for the 19th of March 2015
Here’s the archived page if you’re interested
https://web.archive.org/web/20190731174437/https://www.warframe.com/sanctuary/
That sound about right too, new strange would be close to Natah and Second Dream
Ah no, Chroma's version wouldn't fuse elements, it'd just overwrite
buy the skin
Oh- that’s it-?
yes
Kitty cat :D
Go to backroom
Backrooom
So what’s the pvp scene on this game look like if there is any
I’ve only been playing for lore and silliness
Conclave
Lunaro
I think there’s a couple other gamemodes
But as Nemesis said nobody plays them, mostly cause they’re bad and Warframe’s systems don’t translate well to PvP
I’d say the best one is Lunaro though, but that’s if you play it with friends who have as much of an understanding of that gamemode as you do
there is also the pseudo pvp faceoff mode in 1999 but yeah, pvp is dead
I wonder what this guy is yelling about
randomly remembering that joke someone made on the Reddit
D2 shutting down is a psyop by Teshin to get more Conclavers
oh god could you imagine
all the destiny pvp refugees whining about how bad conclave is
oof
lmao
“Gimme back my finger ):”
do you think an influx like that would provide incentive to make conclave good?
CAN you make conclave good??????????
they've tried that a lot already...
No
warframes power fantasy isnt compatible with a balanced pvp mode imo, but maybe something could be done
If they’re going to go back to update and make things good it should be other features and content, not conclave lol
honestly id love to see a code rewrite/refactor before they try and make conclave worthwhile
on another note, im a big fan of how Murum Vull is just an evil version of The Master Returns
imagine the name Murum Vull means The Master Returns but in void tongue
that'd be fire actually
actually if theres anything i want to see happen as a result of destiny dieing, its another look at raids, even if they have to redo the entire networking process
yeah itd be so Corpus if DE capitalizes on the defeat of their longtime competitor by bringing back raids

even just bringing back the old timey ones would be posh
it's nice how both songs are sort of mirrors to one another
I feel like Murum Vull is sort of the Murmur reacting to Wally
while The Master Returns is the Cavia/Loid to Albrecht
although im pretty sure Murum Vull would have a different name
the two share one noticeable voidtongue lyric
"Shotarat? Vah gith ullah?"
Which means "Master? Has the master returned?"
from what i remember hearing, the big issue with raids was the netcode just wouldnt allow it, too many bugs
especially since servers are hosted clientside, right?
yeah p2p
its why everyone's games start tweaking if the host bugs out
Raids just broke the game each update
No Rebb at TennoCon this year 
A bit of his head is coming out of him so. Understandable
She got a surgery around that time
That make sense
In general media sometimes
Mastery over all elements considered the strongest, so he make sense
Balls :( do we know what for?
shes been fighting health issues since late 2025 and was informed surgery is required and its scheduled around tenno con
I hope she'll be fine after surgery is never fun
Twould be confidential
Can someone hurry up and develop Continuity irl
i love megans reply on twitter though
YAOI??? LOID AND ALBRECHT CONTENT CONFIRMED?!?!?!?!??
wrinkletwink confirmed 
friday and saturday
When is tennocon again, sorry for the larp
Weird schedule for a con too btw most are exclusively and fully on weekends
july 10-11
Ty
From memory the big event is usually on the last day
yeah friday is mostly everyone piling up and admiring the full size Ember
statue
As one does
someone better not steal it again
how do you even steal that....
isnt it like 9 feet tall
"Yoink! What is yours is now mine"
Im still waiting for the day we hear This is What You Are not in opposition to, but in accordance with either the lullaby or the main sentient leitmotif
Because that's where it's heading
Considering these and the whole existence of tauron
Tauron being a synthesis of both tenno and sentient teachings
that sounds more like a lore lore thing
rather than a music lore thing
Yeah but it'd make sense to have them thematically tie into the music as well
The Murmur theme's "murmur" stuff with the low hums are taken from This is What You Are
i mean yeah
im just comparing the lullaby and This Is What You Are in my head and
i don't see it
That's what Anti's saying, we'll get a rendition of TIWYA that has the Sentient/Lullaby tracks' instruments and aesthetics
We'll ultimately have to get something that combines the two
yeah i get it now
We do have This as an example of both using the sounds and incorporating the other's main motif into the track
The music that plays when choosing between the Tenno and the Drifter path
#warframe
#duviriparadox
Love this track also
And the Lotus Eaters' theme having a mix of the Murmur and TIWYA
So its been done and will likely be done again even if the way they could be combined isnt immediately obvious
Speaking of the sentient leitmotif iirc the only track to contain both it and This is What You Are so far is the Wisp Prime trailer??
AGAIN????
Those are in opposition though
THEYVE STOLEN IT BEFORE???
Me when i can either play the actual game or a side mode that stops being fun after your first run
Its got cool lore 💔
Cool music and aesthetic
YEAH
HOW??
IDFK
Did they get caught at least 😭
i believe it was last year
I wonder where they're storing it if not
i think so
since they managed to get it back
Indeed, indeed, the soundtrack and vibe is unmatched but that cannot save it from the same gameplay loop every god damn run
or maybe they stole it when it was at Pax East?
Police opening a garage to see a life size ember statue
nooo definitely before
i remember someone saying they should replace the glowy plastic with uh
silicone............
man i wonder why they wanted that hmmmm
totally for normal reasons im sure
As if that won't ruin any form of structural stability it has 💀
Such a devious lick, like damn how does one steal that in broad daylight
Genuinely
What do you think are the most important parts of the Warframe lore that most people might not know? (Or at least most beginners)
if the infestation is a hivemind, how come members of the deimos strain attack each other?
is it like separate colonies of bees/ants?
oh like Vome and Fass
it could be that some strains are more further removed from the Hive Mind, like theyre connected but less so
Hunhow had a womb
actually i might be wrong about that
sometimes stupid
sometimes your body fights itself
No no, he had a womb
It is involved in the reproduction process for sentients as well
Because. Once damaged he can no longer reproduce
Ight but like what are the achimedians numbers?