#lore-discussion

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restive river
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Stern, a cool future ronin, hellbent on the path he believes he must follow
Aka
Stubborn at his worst
Balanced at his best
But his “scales” are likely shifted

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Iirc Caesar has a good theory about them and dualism

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Which the kids already fall one the rule
Name thing

fast dew
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"Tell me... just between us... she must be a fiend behind closed doors, yes?"

"You know, in Orokin times, it was quite customary for multiple partners to engage in - never mind. I would never hear the end of it..."

"No, I am not jealous. I am quite happy for you both. Why would you even begin to think otherwise?"

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I don't know Roathe

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WONDER WHY WED THINK YOU'RE JEALOUS ROATHE.

rigid compass
celest needle
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racist tsundere

rigid compass
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Shame he aint finish the 2nd one

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That lore is crucial to the plot trust

dire mountain
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I'll give you bonus info too

dire mountain
dire mountain
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Like its not impossible

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The first mention of dualism was the new war and that was also where we got the Dax litany. actually it was the sacrifice where ballas mentions it being the major religion before the Vain Faith. Where things comes in two parts.

In 2021 it was slightly expanded on by giving us the Dax litany

2024 gave us 1999, which has dualism relevant (mainly as the religion the fascists hijacked)

2025 expanded on it even further with the triad

dire mountain
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You might be right actually

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Shit it was

pale cedar
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Ballas says it when talking about Void

cerulean rover
dire mountain
cerulean rover
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overrated

daring tusk
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which doggo was in the trailer

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also explain this duck

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excal loves ducks is canon

muted solar
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do you guys think the man in the wall is the true villan or he could be just a type of messeger

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or its just an a void god like creature and he dosnt know what is happening

muted solar
# pale cedar

ok but what if he could be acting i mean everything is possible

pale cedar
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Man in the Wall isn't a god he's the villain of this arc that was made based on Albrecht’s emotions when in the Void

muted solar
pale cedar
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He has tried to kill us and it failed

muted solar
pale cedar
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It wasn't faked

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Wally got tricked by the transference

fast dew
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Yeah lmao

muted solar
pale cedar
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Whispers

fast dew
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Whispers, he tried to squash us

muted solar
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oh yeah also in duviri too

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now i remeber

pale cedar
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Wally is also a prisoner currently

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Can only go to Void places

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The only exception to this was due to a Void portal

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And even then I theorise the Void sent Wally back which is why he disappeared

muted solar
pale cedar
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They killed themselves

muted solar
pale cedar
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Also didn't have children which could've been part of what Wally made the thing as

muted solar
pale cedar
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It might've eventually got to them though

muted solar
pale cedar
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They killed themselves or were killed can't remember all their exact fates

muted solar
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btw when i was doing "the new war" i saw one kid drawing on the zaramin something like a demon (could be wallie) but the only one that is confirm to know wallie is Rell but he wasnt with the other kids and i was kinda confused because if that drawing was meant to be wallie a that means Rell wasnt the only one to know the precense of wallie in the zaramin

muted solar
pale cedar
muted solar
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and the shadow person too

pale cedar
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Shadow Rell before Shadow Rell

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It sort of shows that Wally was influencing the Zariman before it ever got there

fast dew
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Youd think this one would be the first one to think of

fast dew
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Wdym maybe that IS wally 😭

muted solar
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sorry i read wrong

radiant pier
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I'm more familiar with military logistic incompetence

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that sent so incredibly late

pearl glen
fast dew
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Especially when I didnt have a bed frame

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Id crawl out on all 4s 💔

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My poor spine

pearl glen
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I needed to study for a test today

fast dew
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I missed an appointment today cuz I was passed the hell out 😭

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Cleaned too late into the night and didn't get nearly enough sleep to function

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Mainly fixing the vacuum though

opaque zenith
fast dew
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Time to make some chicken nuggets tho

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Do we think Albrecht would like chicken nuggets?

dire mountain
fast dew
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Or like

Would he prefer dino nuggets..

dire mountain
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Would albrecht like dinosaurs

fast dew
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Yeah I think he would

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Maybe thats how we get dinoframe

dire mountain
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Dinosaur warframe would be so cool

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Autumn 2026 trust

opaque zenith
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-1mi99

dire mountain
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Genuinely though dinosaur warframe feels like an autumn update i cant tell you why

pearl glen
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Diplocaulus frame

dire mountain
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Nothing too mainstream

pearl glen
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The gramps frame

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The gramp dino

fast dew
normal vessel
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Iguanadon frame with exalted thumbs

pearl glen
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I need orb frame

normal vessel
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Alternatively we need a railjack upgrade that turns it into a zord

pearl glen
opaque zenith
celest needle
normal vessel
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Frost apparently

opaque zenith
normal vessel
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It's Mr. Freeze from the Batman movies

fast dew
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Wow he kinda ugly and thats saying something if im saying he's ugly

opaque zenith
normal vessel
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No worries

dire mountain
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BROTHER why are we bringing up real life nominative determinism this is like me bringing up real life eternalism or dualism when discussing warframe lore outside highlighting the differences

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Like 😭 this shit ain't real life man it could be a real phenomenon in-universe

celest needle
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The muck do dentists have to do with this?

pale cedar
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I hope Grendel has a good Dentist

dire mountain
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Is Helminth also a dentist

normal vessel
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Yes

dire mountain
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It has the chair if you think about it

normal vessel
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Have you seen that mouth

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There has to be teeth in there somewhere

opaque zenith
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Dental care so bad the teeth went outside in 1999

pale cedar
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Dental care so bad Helminth had to grow new teeth

normal vessel
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Helminth gets teeth from eating companions

daring tusk
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so whats the lore with heirloom skin? aside from being gooner bait

hollow siren
daring tusk
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aaa

dark compass
pearl glen
dark compass
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In-universe: "special" designs for orokin

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They're in-universe gooner bait

daring tusk
dark compass
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Most old primes are just the basic skin with a different helmet and a color scheme with like one or two small bits attached

celest needle
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What do the cetus corpus actually sell?

pale cedar
loud oriole
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-# and corpus tech accessories

stiff beacon
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Whatever the hell kind of narcotics are available in the origin system

pale cedar
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There’s this

opaque zenith
alpine horizon
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hey so i completed a exterminate mission in the void oxomoco to be spassific, and when i did alot of static came through sound wise then some orokin text started to appear with one of the orokin texts appearing red. has anyone else expirienced this?

fast dew
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https://www.tumblr.com/oranzhs/817516821082210304/the-entrance-to-roathes-boss-arena-has-the-same

Also hello my group of likeminded individuals

What do we think of this post :? I never paid enough attention to the walls to notice them

The entrance to Roathe's boss arena has the same token as is seen around the Necralisk (and outside on Deimos) but is not associated with any of the upstairs Entrati family members, so could it be either a) Albrecht's token; b) a general Entrati family token?

-# #wf tag #screenshot #warframe

pale cedar
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Grandfather tokens when?

opaque zenith
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Now if we're theorizing stuff, I'd say Entrati locked his memories and the symbol is at the locked door, so checks out at least

rigid compass
# pale cedar Grandfather tokens when?

In 2030 when we finally catch albrechts time traveling ahh after giving bta to wally and he goes back to his daughter after 670 years of leaving her and then he becomes an npc vendor for tau items

rigid compass
rigid compass
fast dew
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I cannot express how violently different we are.

stiff isle
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what happened to bird 1 and 2

hollow siren
stiff isle
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should we ask bird 3 what happened

rigid compass
hollow siren
fast dew
hollow siren
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Might be, yeah

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someone in the Sanctum at least

pale cedar
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Tbh

Albrecht does say most of them merely died

left parrot
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Yoooo

Does Chroma got a lore?

pale cedar
celest needle
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-# says next to the time traveller and nuclear core warframes

left parrot
fast dew
pale cedar
left parrot
celest needle
pale cedar
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Does Chroma survive

left parrot
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But in game lore says he is one of the most powerful warframe
Ike god damn who is this bish hahhaba

pale cedar
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Your 3rd mother

celest needle
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2015 frame

fast dew
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Early frame but a good example of proof that lore ≠ gameplay

pale cedar
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Chroma in the quest isn’t even marked as a Warframe

left parrot
celest needle
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STAMINA

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FOR RUNNING

pale cedar
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In the quest he’s marked as Sentient

fast dew
celest needle
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or that was just a fan theory

pale cedar
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His pelt is Sentient

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Which is probably how he got taken over

left parrot
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Wait does Mommy Lotus even told us more why he is One of the Strongest Frames?

pale cedar
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No

left parrot
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Dawg... We should interrogate her immediately

pale cedar
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Chroma is actually the second tallest Warframe

left parrot
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Oh

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I thought it's Atlas bc of his build

pale cedar
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It might’ve changed but it was true at one time

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There is Dante now which might’ve changed it

dark compass
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Dante is cheating

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He can fly

restive river
normal mountain
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Chroma should have a rework that grants him his old title back

wise quiver
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And maybe an expansion on his lore.

normal mountain
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Chroma Leverian wen?

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WEN DE?

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WEN?

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-# there we go...

restive river
normal mountain
restive river
wise quiver
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Pelt, Pet, basically the same thing.

tall echo
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"wen" is funny bc that's a german word...

normal mountain
restive river
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The pelt is believed to be a sentient’s, but that’s not really confirmed in game at all

wise quiver
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Chroma was from I think before the sentients were...really a thing.

restive river
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The devs have even talked about it lol

restive river
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Development wise and lore wise they were around iirc

wise quiver
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No? I thought it was release before the natah quest.

normal mountain
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The New Strange

wise quiver
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Ye, like 5 months apart roughly

restive river
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So the sentients are in their minds and def being worked on internally lol

normal mountain
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Yup

restive river
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Iirc Rebb has said his pelt is sentient but she may just be saying that because of the theory
Nothing in game confirms it 😔

wise quiver
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But yeah a confirmation on his pelt being a sentient would be nice, but the fact he is, at least in the quest, called "one of the strongest" is...dated

wise quiver
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He was very much the strongest frame for a while

restive river
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Lavos alone lol

normal mountain
twin wigeon
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now hes just one of the ugliest since the pelt strips off all fashion

restive river
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Chroma’s problem atm is his kit is kinda just old and a bit clunky but it has usable aspects

wise quiver
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I mean he is dragon themed, and we have a dragon(ish) sentient in the dracolyst so like...it's very possible. But that also makes him...kinda messed up considering the old peace >w>;

restive river
wise quiver
normal mountain
restive river
normal mountain
wise quiver
restive river
wise quiver
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is Saryn the perfect old frame.

restive river
wise quiver
restive river
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Like
We were at war
Chroma ain’t special, he just carries around and utilizes his trophy lol

restive river
devout fractal
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If I had a nickel for every game that had the Void that Children have died to or have been hurt by and then those children are used as weapons, I’d have like… 2 and a half nickles.

wise quiver
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As per my understanding all the warframes are powered via the void, and through that they can do what they can. Cut off the heart of deimos which pumps the void into reality, and warframes stop being able to do what they can do.

restive river
tall echo
devout fractal
tall echo
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it's like how humans are blood powered but don't have blood powers

wise quiver
restive river
tall echo
devout fractal
wise quiver
devout fractal
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whole being born in the voiddddd hollowed out and killeddd

devout fractal
tall echo
tall echo
devout fractal
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Truuuue true

restive river
devout fractal
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Not intended weapon

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But ability to beeee one

stiff fable
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Like, the idea was that he'd grow into a form best able to fight the sentients, and landed on "you are what you eat" as a valid strategy

wise quiver
restive river
restive river
wise quiver
stiff fable
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Chroma needs to steal mechanics from Lavos

restive river
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Elemental themed
What did bro do before his thing
Reptile
People gas them up heavily or dump them entirely

restive river
wise quiver
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The issue with taking mechanics from Lavos is the most obviously useful one is the alchemy mixing.

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Which creates the issue of what his elemental ward would do, you'd have to expand it to include every elemental combo.

restive river
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Ah
I found where the sentient pelt theory comes from

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Yay the wiki actually sourced something! lmao

glacial bough
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His original web page teaser from like 2014

restive river
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So there was an update teaser and in that there’s this

"An ancient power awakens. An adaptable hunter, proudly wearing a trophy claimed from a race long forgotten."

restive river
glacial bough
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That sound about right too, new strange would be close to Natah and Second Dream

stiff fable
devout fractal
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How the hell do I get my own kalymos

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Me want kitty cat

tall echo
devout fractal
tall echo
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yes

devout fractal
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Kitty cat :D

pale cedar
devout fractal
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Backrooom

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So what’s the pvp scene on this game look like if there is any

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I’ve only been playing for lore and silliness

pale cedar
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It's irrelevant

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It exists but nobody does it

restive river
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Conclave
Lunaro
I think there’s a couple other gamemodes
But as Nemesis said nobody plays them, mostly cause they’re bad and Warframe’s systems don’t translate well to PvP

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I’d say the best one is Lunaro though, but that’s if you play it with friends who have as much of an understanding of that gamemode as you do

fleet furnace
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there is also the pseudo pvp faceoff mode in 1999 but yeah, pvp is dead

ocean geyser
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I wonder what this guy is yelling about

ocean geyser
fleet furnace
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oh god could you imagine

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all the destiny pvp refugees whining about how bad conclave is

woven coyote
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oof

restive river
ocean geyser
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do you think an influx like that would provide incentive to make conclave good?
CAN you make conclave good??????????
they've tried that a lot already...

restive river
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No

fleet furnace
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warframes power fantasy isnt compatible with a balanced pvp mode imo, but maybe something could be done

restive river
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If they’re going to go back to update and make things good it should be other features and content, not conclave lol

twin wigeon
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thats why they opted for PvEvP

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i love that mode but i needs more conclave xp

fleet furnace
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honestly id love to see a code rewrite/refactor before they try and make conclave worthwhile

ocean geyser
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on another note, im a big fan of how Murum Vull is just an evil version of The Master Returns

twin wigeon
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imagine the name Murum Vull means The Master Returns but in void tongue

ocean geyser
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that'd be fire actually

fleet furnace
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actually if theres anything i want to see happen as a result of destiny dieing, its another look at raids, even if they have to redo the entire networking process

twin wigeon
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yeah itd be so Corpus if DE capitalizes on the defeat of their longtime competitor by bringing back raids

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even just bringing back the old timey ones would be posh

ocean geyser
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it's nice how both songs are sort of mirrors to one another

I feel like Murum Vull is sort of the Murmur reacting to Wally
while The Master Returns is the Cavia/Loid to Albrecht

although im pretty sure Murum Vull would have a different name

the two share one noticeable voidtongue lyric

"Shotarat? Vah gith ullah?"
Which means "Master? Has the master returned?"

fleet furnace
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from what i remember hearing, the big issue with raids was the netcode just wouldnt allow it, too many bugs

ocean geyser
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especially since servers are hosted clientside, right?

fleet furnace
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yeah p2p

ocean geyser
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its why everyone's games start tweaking if the host bugs out

pale cedar
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Raids just broke the game each update

humble sierra
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No Rebb at TennoCon this year Clemsive

fast dew
twin wigeon
left parrot
fast dew
loud oriole
fast dew
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I hope she'll be fine after surgery is never fun

twin wigeon
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Can someone hurry up and develop Continuity irl

fast dew
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Fair fair

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IM TRYING

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Drawing old men takes precedent but I'll try

loud oriole
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i love megans reply on twitter though

twin wigeon
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Megan is preparing for the Hostile Merger

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/j

fast dew
loud oriole
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wrinkletwink confirmed BombaPoint

fast dew
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!!!!

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Mm. What days does tennocon extend over? Friday till... Sunday..?

loud oriole
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friday and saturday

twin wigeon
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When is tennocon again, sorry for the larp

fast dew
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Weird schedule for a con too btw most are exclusively and fully on weekends

loud oriole
twin wigeon
fast dew
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From memory the big event is usually on the last day

loud oriole
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yeah friday is mostly everyone piling up and admiring the full size Ember HappyHyekka statue

fast dew
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As one does

ocean geyser
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someone better not steal it again

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how do you even steal that....

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isnt it like 9 feet tall

humble sierra
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"Yoink! What is yours is now mine"

dire mountain
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Im still waiting for the day we hear This is What You Are not in opposition to, but in accordance with either the lullaby or the main sentient leitmotif

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Because that's where it's heading

ocean geyser
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is it?

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i dont see it personally

dire mountain
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Tauron being a synthesis of both tenno and sentient teachings

ocean geyser
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that sounds more like a lore lore thing
rather than a music lore thing

humble sierra
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Yeah but it'd make sense to have them thematically tie into the music as well

dire mountain
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The music generally matches huge story beats

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That's arguably the point even

humble sierra
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The Murmur theme's "murmur" stuff with the low hums are taken from This is What You Are

ocean geyser
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i mean yeah
im just comparing the lullaby and This Is What You Are in my head and
i don't see it

humble sierra
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That's what Anti's saying, we'll get a rendition of TIWYA that has the Sentient/Lullaby tracks' instruments and aesthetics

ocean geyser
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oh

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yeah no i didnt understand that at ALL 😭

dire mountain
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We'll ultimately have to get something that combines the two

ocean geyser
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yeah i get it now

dire mountain
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Love this track also

humble sierra
dire mountain
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So its been done and will likely be done again even if the way they could be combined isnt immediately obvious

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Speaking of the sentient leitmotif iirc the only track to contain both it and This is What You Are so far is the Wisp Prime trailer??

fast dew
dire mountain
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Those are in opposition though

fast dew
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THEYVE STOLEN IT BEFORE???

celest needle
dire mountain
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Cool music and aesthetic

ocean geyser
fast dew
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HOW??

ocean geyser
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IDFK

fast dew
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Did they get caught at least 😭

ocean geyser
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i believe it was last year

humble sierra
ocean geyser
celest needle
ocean geyser
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or maybe they stole it when it was at Pax East?

celest needle
ocean geyser
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nooo definitely before

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i remember someone saying they should replace the glowy plastic with uh
silicone............

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man i wonder why they wanted that hmmmm

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totally for normal reasons im sure

fast dew
fast dew
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Silicone doesn't exactly hold a lot of weight most of the time

stiff beacon
fast dew
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Genuinely

quiet falcon
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What do you think are the most important parts of the Warframe lore that most people might not know? (Or at least most beginners)

normal bramble
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if the infestation is a hivemind, how come members of the deimos strain attack each other?
is it like separate colonies of bees/ants?

twin wigeon
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oh like Vome and Fass

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it could be that some strains are more further removed from the Hive Mind, like theyre connected but less so

twin wigeon
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actually i might be wrong about that

lean garden
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sometimes your body fights itself

fast dew
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No no, he had a womb

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It is involved in the reproduction process for sentients as well

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Because. Once damaged he can no longer reproduce

rigid compass
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Ight but like what are the achimedians numbers?