lore-discussion

[rigid compass]

No like mother of all including hunhow

[ionic moss]

The tip of the iceberg isnt the whole iceberg

[rigid compass]

All sentients descended from her when she got to tau

[glacial bough]

Yes, she is. Praghasa is the Mothership

[ionic moss]

Can't jump to conclusion insufficient data

[rigid compass]

I think someone else was saying she wasnt

[pearl glen]

That means tte ropalolyst is Lotus family?

[rigid compass]

They all are bro

Even u and me are family

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[blissful wraith]

Nope it was alad's creation

[rigid compass]

Son?

[blissful wraith]

Like the alkonost where it injests memes into the crewman

[pearl glen]

Uh?

[restive river]

Never

[glacial bough]

No, Ropa was just meant to be his Warden. It's a Sentient original

[pearl glen]

Its a shame there is so little fan art of the valley orbs

[rigid compass]

I still think praghasa went from the void to tau

[restive river]

Alad helped with the Amalgams specifically

[blissful wraith]

No way, what about the sentient that inject memes into crewman

[ionic moss]

Not all sentients are to be associated either

[pearl glen]

100% certifies sentient fleh

[blissful wraith]

Do you remember the sentient thing that inject memes into crewman head

[restive river]

She took the rail which is void powered, that’s what fried her and left the other sentients in the system infertile

[glacial bough]

Those are the Amalgams, different from the Ropalalyst

[restive river]

Yes lol

[ionic moss]

You see the sentiments are all different

[glacial bough]

Prag and Hunhow took the Void to Origin, yes

[restive river]

Rail :]

[blissful wraith]

injects memes into your head

[glacial bough]

The hell

[restive river]

Not those kinda

[rigid compass]

Im saying she took the initial travel to the tau by the void not the long way cause thats too long. She could've been shielded the same way that she shielded other sentients. (If theres actual evidence saying otherwise send it thx)

[blissful wraith]

Iwish there would be a sentient thing that can enhance my combat capabilities by injecting memes inside my head

[glacial bough]

The Sentients don't have shielding like that

[rigid compass]

Mind injecting this meme into me cause idk what yall on about

[ionic moss]

Sentient meme virus

Lol 😆

[pearl glen]

Me (corpus) watching tenno arguing about warframe ass while i exploit people for grofit

[rigid compass]

Where this start from 😭

[glacial bough]

Plus we know explicitly they took the long way to Tau

[restive river]

She went over with the original sentients, she took the long way initially as all sentients did
Then she took the rail back which is void powered and she acted is the void shielding for the other sentients, which that still hurt them

[rigid compass]

Send it bro

[blissful wraith]

Codex entry, factions, corpus amalgam, the flying one injecting memes

[rigid compass]

I have like only 1 partnership entry

[restive river]

All of the sentients took the long way, they made the rail, they were sent to terraform Tau lol

[rigid compass]

I ain't rea the others

[restive river]

That’s literally why they exist

[pearl glen]

Whats the purpose of sentients so small like the sentinels?

[glacial bough]

The Crewman imprint, Adis talking, everything that makes it explicit the Sentients cannot travel using the Void like that

[restive river]

We don’t have anything on the sentinels, just that they’re maybe sentients 😔

[glacial bough]

Fine labor

Oh, you said Sentinels

Yeah. they're just weird

[restive river]

The only time they did was Praghasa ferrying Hunhow and co.
Whom are infertile

[pearl glen]

It would have been much more easy if the sentients digged Up an asteroid hid inside of it, launched It to the origin system and then Crash It in argentina

[glacial bough]

....No

[restive river]

The only sentinel lore

On the border of chartered space, an enclave of small, strange, seemingly intelligent creatures was discovered by Tenno explorers. They are mechanical entities, almost organic in appearance, with a precarious resemblance to the fearsome Sentients that had decimated human civilisation. However, these creatures showed no signs of aggression, and they immediately began carrying out helpful tasks in a peculiar alliance with the Tenno.

[blissful wraith]

Hey guys I thought the Tenno were good at everything like engineering why are they only good at fighting

[restive river]

That would have just been taking the long way lol

[blissful wraith]

Im kinda sad 🙁 I wish the Tenno are good at engineering to build stuffs

[restive river]

They’re literally a warrior caste

[blissful wraith]

So are we stupid then?

[glacial bough]

Some are good at engineering. Why does it matter

[pearl glen]

Bc they are multitalented?

[restive river]

They’re a warrior caste, not stupid.

[blissful wraith]

Because I really want to see the Tenno properly team up to create a starfighter program

[glacial bough]

There's no point or purpose for that

[pearl glen]

The limbo operator...

[restive river]

The Tenno whom are children

[restive river]

We don’t know if he had one

Afaik anyway

[glacial bough]

We don't have the numbers and Railjacks cover all practical needs

[pearl glen]

Why? They have the foundry

[blissful wraith]

Like the foundry isnjust a 3d printer

[glacial bough]

If an Op, they got a massive headache and didn't try again

[blissful wraith]

I wish the Tenno can literally DESIGN, an Armored Core and then they find out how to restore Ordis' memories to put him in

[glacial bough]

Ok, but why

[restive river]

The memories that he ripped out of himself for a reason?

Can we stop wanting to “fix” him??
He isn’t broken
He isn’t Ordan
He’s Ordis.

[glacial bough]

Like, Ordis would like to fight with us and got that dream fuffilled in Octavia's Anthem

He's pretty chill about it now

[pearl glen]

Why i should learn how to Craft stuff if i have a super 3d printer?

[blissful wraith]

What about the Tenno creating a dyson sphere to replicate 99% of the sun functions so they can return tp Tau once more

[fast dew]

Because they'll always prefer Ordan and ignore the purpose of Ordis in favour of "aura farming"

[glacial bough]

[blissful wraith]

Its not that hard they got egeruthing needed now only they need the will to do it

[glacial bough]

You really don't know what you're talking about

[restive river]

Dyson spheres aren’t really possible, we lack the sufficient matter afaik
Also for what purpose when we could just fix the rail?

[pearl glen]

I though people hated ordis bc he is "annoying"

[fast dew]

He isnt really

[blissful wraith]

I love him but I want the more evil version

[fast dew]

People just don't like people who are positive

[glacial bough]

If a dyson sphere were even possible, the Orokin would already have done this

[restive river]

How can you go through Ordis’ story, hype of Ordan in your head and just ignore the whole thing about how that’s not who he is, why he hurt himself

[pearl glen]

Not only that, you believe the corpus or the grineer Will just let the tenno do that?

[blissful wraith]

I wish the Tenno would put away differences with Tyl Regor so they can forever create a new grineer batch without the rot

[restive river]

exactly
We wouldn’t even let them try that, let alone the other way round lmao

[glacial bough]

WHY

[pearl glen]

I mean...the Guy is ded

[restive river]

He was our enemy and he’s dead
Also for what purpose

[glacial bough]

Why would we ever want the Grineer to be more powerful

[blissful wraith]

Create a new batch that completely detached to the queens and have their own will

[restive river]

The Grineer have a loyalty gene
And they ain’t loyal to us lmao

[glacial bough]

You can't just take out the loyalty gene

[blissful wraith]

So us Tenno couldn't build a blacksite lab somewhere to develop a new, superior type of gene! 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[restive river]

Ok
Don’t be shocked when they refuse to fight lol

[fast dew]

Because they don't read, ducky. They don't care about Ordis. All they see is Ordan and how "cool" he is

You get used to it, over time

[restive river]

For what purpose??
We aren’t using slave labor.

[pearl glen]

Poor crystal brain, he deserves better

[glacial bough]

Like, my brother in Christ have you payed attention to anything in this game

[fast dew]

Slavery is bad I think

[pearl glen]

And we arent sending them to fight the grineer for us if we already can handle them pretty easy

[restive river]

It’s not even a reading thing he verbally talks about not being Ordan a lot 😭

[pearl glen]

Japanese isekai genre may disagree with you

[restive river]

Like to everyone who wants Ordan for literally no reason
Go play belly of the beast
Listen to Ordis
He isn’t Ordan
He doesn’t want to be Ordan
Ordan is dead

[pearl glen]

Just like in the current belly of the beast event

Who is worm and why is he lurking?

[rigid compass]

K I read it and I just dont understand it. So the sentients were made to go the long way to tau which I assume was probably a few hundred years at most which I guess leaves them "marooned" but the sentients could always have went back the long way and demolished the orokin by still having the ability to reproduce so thats dumb. Also while yes they mightve went the long way what I was thinking was that they couldve entered the void with some type of container that shielded them from the void and popped out the other side in tau and terraform it and make the rail.

[blissful wraith]

You know there should be a new Kahl against corpus quest where he rescues Xeto defectinf

And now we got a priper Ghost Recon style corpus operative weekly misssions

Harder, way harder, one life like descendia

[rigid compass]

He is ordan. Just with hella braindamage

[glacial bough]

Why would they come back the long way and give the Orokin decades to centuries to build and advance further

While giving them unfettered access to Tau proper

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

[rigid compass]

Cause now we're talking about unerfed sentients. So we gotta know if orokin void tech could actually advance past just tenno since even other void tech didnt actually harm them much like necramechs. Meanwhile u got a replicating army of skyscraper sized enemies who can adapt to anything.

[celest needle]

this
is an agreeable opinion

[rigid compass]

How would they have access?

[glacial bough]

The Rail would be complete, that's part of when they decided the Orokin were no good

[rigid compass]

Uncomplete it? 😭

If we assume they took the rail back to start the war then they never even needed to do that they couldve just taken the journey back after destroying the rail.

It also depends on how far into it it was

Like did the orokin already start going to tau?

And they decided to kill em

If the orokin saw the rail was closed after being opened they couldve assumed any number of issues with the sentients rebelling only being one possibility

Moral of the story: dont rush the enemy. It never ends well

[restive river]

Tormis visited
Twas chill
Second group went
War time

[rigid compass]

Even if they assumed sentients rebelled they wouldn't fight them till they got there and know what works

To kill em

So u already got them at their doorstep and they dont even have a confirmed counter besides possibly the tenno

Which still lose to sentients that couldnt even reproduce

[glacial bough]

The Tenno definitely don't lose, we're the entire reason the Old Peace was possible

And that was presumably still against Sentients that weren't sterile

[rigid compass]

The old war was legit stalemate if not the sentients winning

Okay wait

[glacial bough]

The Old War was a stalemate at worst after the Tenno were introduced

[rigid compass]

We need a better timeline

[glacial bough]

It's the main point that the Tenno started kicking Sentient ass and turn the tide

[lean garden]

Operationally, having a fast entry point into Origin would be better than taking centuries to slowly arrive

reinforcements arrive when you need them to instead of a business century

[rigid compass]

rail is done
sentients rebel
sentients go to origin first and fight there? / sentients rebel with orokin in tau and fight in tau till old peace?
old peace then breaks
sentients go to origin now? And destroy the rail
rest of old war and shi

[lean garden]

no, the initial bit of the old war was fought on Tau's end

the orokin found out exactly why high level tech was bad against sentients

[rigid compass]

Do we have a source?

[blissful wraith]

If Neci Rusalka and got pregnant with me how would our child look like I want advices before we start a familyntogether

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1496932954759499846/image0.gif

Maybe the nuke was required

[lean garden]

RoatheStory2 to 9

[glacial bough]

We've known there was fighting in Tau since the Mag Prime Codex

[lean garden]

Tormis went and came back to tau, and a bunch of colonists headed to tau. The sentients attacked the colonists. The orokin sent one of their most advanced warships to tau as punishment, the sentients made the ship crash into Tau

[rigid compass]

It doesn't really say anything about tau

[lean garden]

?

[rigid compass]

Yeah I forgot about that. It still confuses me how the sentients didnt obliterate all the orokin in tau and just go to origin in a few days

[glacial bough]

Because they're stronger, but weren't unstoppable

[lean garden]

My lungs were flattened, eyes full of death. Ship debris glittered like a night snow. The alien blue star was dark and blinding beyond us.

[glacial bough]

The Orokin could still fight back, they were just at a major disadvantage

[rigid compass]

Shouldn't matter at the start. Orokin dont know what works and sentients would have the element of surprise

Like sure the orokin could push em back

[lean garden]

The Sentients literally needed to turn their ploughshares into swords

[glacial bough]

And the Sentients were destroying the majority of the Orokin Vanguard

[lean garden]

its not like they were immediately on the same level as the orokin in terms of infrastructure and resources for war.

[rigid compass]

I missed that

[lean garden]

They adapted and grew into better fighters for orokin clobbering

but that doesnt guarantee Sentient victory

[glacial bough]

The Orokin have a whole solar system worth of resoucres to use, they can bounce back from early losses quick enough

[rigid compass]

Yeah. Anyways I just think the sentients were dumb asf
Honestly so many things they couldve done better and even against warframes and tenno they arent even a guaranteed win. Like erra surivivng 6 tenno beams cause sure

Like hunhow alone could prob pack up a dozen tenno easy

And there should be at least a few dozen hunhow sized sentients

[glacial bough]

We don't know how Erra survived that

[rigid compass]

4 years and we still dont

Like come on

Wasn't even revealed in the new war when its something natah brought up

[glacial bough]

And yes, Hunhow could beat most Tenno given he's the size of a small celestial body. That why he was mostly fought with similar space resources.

[rigid compass]

They couldve disabled the rail and prepared then repaired it to go dogwalk the orokin

[lean garden]

bruh, think about your own plan first

[rigid compass]

Nah the goat would pack up a fleet of galleons in 5 seconds

[lean garden]

why disable the rail when you can just prepare first

[glacial bough]

That runs into the same issues they already did

[lean garden]

and then attack

like disabling the rail gives the orokin a headsup that something is wrong

[rigid compass]

Okay so tormis went there

And wasnt attacked

[lean garden]

then tormis went back

and then the next group that came was attacked

[glacial bough]

and Galleons are junkyard cars versus what the Orokin could field

[lean garden]

and then every subsequent group that was sent to tau got clobbered

[rigid compass]

The sentients rebelled after making the rail so just disable the rail so the orokin cant do anything while u prep

[lean garden]

even the group with the mag prime

[rigid compass]

Galleon prime

[glacial bough]

And the Orokin prep at the same time then

[rigid compass]

Depends though but also they still barely knew how sentients worked and that high tech was useless

[lean garden]

Plus strategically you could make the orokin repeatedly extend forces over to your home turf and make them waste resources

like literally fighting on Tau is beneficial to the sentients in all aspects but one: the ability to end the empire

[glacial bough]

And that means their initial attempts at fighting get crushed like it already did. They then quickly bouce back, same as they did

[rigid compass]

Also im not talking about hundred years of prep im talking like a few months maybe a year

Well wtv

Would be cool if we got a old war refractory 😔 🥀

Not that trash descendia

Genuinely the most boring gamemode

What do yall think about a sentient overcoming the flaw?

[glacial bough]

Can't be done on their own

[rigid compass]

Whynt

[glacial bough]

Inherent flaw that actively screws with adapting to it

It's why the Amalgams exists

[rigid compass]

Not adapting to it. I mean more like the sentients creating one without the flaw. Afterall if they can be created with it then they should be able to fix it. And we know there can be special purpose made sentients like natah (mimic humans) or adis (healer)

[glacial bough]

Can be purpose made, yes. But the flaw is inherent to the part of their design they can't do anything about

[lean garden]

If my theory on Sentient Sentience is correct, then it simply is impossible to make a sentient without the flaw

[rigid compass]

Whats ur theory

[rigid compass]

Ye kinda the point of fixing it

[lean garden]

Sentient Sentience is void based

[rigid compass]

Imagine a sentient boss, maybe the adversary being able to adapt without u taking it away

[glacial bough]

Yeah, and they don't have access to the parts that would have it

[rigid compass]

Plenty of orokin stuff in tau and time to research

[rigid compass]

And?

How would that even relate to them dying to void

I could see it taking their minds away

But if that was it they wouldnt die to void

[fast dew]

Fellow Green mode user

[fast dew]

I like using light modes on my puter and dark modes on my phone tbh

[radiant pier]

why do you people use green

it's like

[fast dew]

Its my second favourite colour

Other than yellow

[lean garden]

its my favourite colour

[radiant pier]

diarrhea poo color theme

[fast dew]

😭

[rigid compass]

I feel like this is a hell of a stretch lol.
The points that make sense or are relevant are that kuva heals their reproductive ability and we know kuva has some conscienceness things, and that their bodies conduct void with the rail and what not. I feel like for the body part the explanation could be that dead sentients just are metal and what not so like a normal rail they can do stuff. They take damage from void then because its like radiation I guess. Like how we would die to radiation from a nuke but after we die its not like anything would happen to the elements in our body. The mind part I believe is just normal conscienceness evolving or made by perintol. Why kuva restores their ability to reproduce? I honestly dont know but we hardly know anything about kuva so ehhh. It could simply be that kuva has healing properties, after all the unum grows like a living organism and produces its own supply of I assume infinite kuva like its blood.

[lean garden]

"dead sentients are just metal"

bruh

[rigid compass]

I mean like ye?

[lean garden]

did your bones change material when you die or?

[rigid compass]

Calcium is a metal

Thats all im saying

[lean garden]

bruh

[fast dew]

Thats like saying blood is metal

[lean garden]

if the material doesnt change then it goes back to the point

[fast dew]

Sure it has iron but there's more to it than that

[lean garden]

how are the bodies conductive for something that is poison to them

[rigid compass]

We also have no clue what it takes to make a solar rail

[celest needle]

mountain dew color scheme

[fast dew]

A shittonne of pylons

[celest needle]

-# raise a million pylons high

[rigid compass]

We really dont know if the entirety of it matters. Half the sentients could legit just be like the corner obsidian in a nether portal

[fast dew]

Eh

[glacial bough]

I mean, it's likely poison because they're very conductive

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-black-guys-two-black-guys-apple-apple-laptop-gif-3090298217787114336

Yo humans love conducting electricity

This guy cooking

Ight night

Tau finna be peak

Especially if they add that proto sentient baddie

[dire mountain]

True though we do run on electrical signals and shit

Getting zapped isn't very good for us

[fast dew]

Theres a few reasons why getting zapped is bad

It disrupts our own electric signals [like the heart], it also likes to uh

Burn us

[dire mountain]

Sounds familiar...

[lean garden]

Which we can tell is obviously by design for the purpose of the rail, but then what is it poisoning if sentient bodies were made to conduct that much void?

[fast dew]

Mm, thats a good point

[lean garden]

what a coinkidink

[fast dew]

I'm gonna have to ask what the coincidence means I was deadass just listing the negative affects of being electrocuted

[dire mountain]

Okay so imagine the void to the sentients is like electricity for us

Pretty good at conducting it! Bad when we do

[fast dew]

I'm single handedly destroying a lemon cheesecake and marathoning Invincible

Do not have enough mental capacity to keep up

[dire mountain]

Disrupting our signals by introducing an outside one and even burning us

[fast dew]

Ohhh nodders

[glacial bough]

Eh, probably just something in the base materials itself I would say. Like with the electricity and (most) living thing comparision

[fast dew]

So uh yeah its weird sentient bodies can be used to conduct void but unable to withstand it when.. alive?

What exactly happens to sentient bodies when exposed to void?

[glacial bough]

I mean, is it? being dead wouldn't affect how conductive the material is

[fast dew]

No, its the fact it doesn't actually damage the body when doing so

[glacial bough]

Most of the time they'll disintergrate

[fast dew]

Like we thought it did

[glacial bough]

Well, disintegrate with direct Void Exposure

[fast dew]

So how would that be different to exposure through channeling it in their dead bodies?

[glacial bough]

So yeah, I suppose you can question why direct exposure melts them but directed energy is fine

[dire mountain]

Going back to the electricity analogy: if you get hit with 400 billion watts that shit probably would leave you as a pile of ash (raw void) versus like a controlled shock (amp)

[lean garden]

I think that comparison isnt exactly exact, because most living beings arent intentionally designed to be powerlines for electricity yknow? like our bones still burn when you run a current through

sentient bones on the other hand

[fast dew]

Just reinforces that sentients do not just explode at a tiny bit of void exposure I suppose

[glacial bough]

The suggestion would be that something about Void Energy changes when you direct and channel it than raw exposure

[dire mountain]

Also what is the deal with amps we know they existed during the old war

Yhe most likely explanation afaik is that they're also a result of the old peace? Like the tektolyst artifacts?

[glacial bough]

The closer analogy would be between electronics and electricity than bodies, yeah

But that would also would run back around to your suggestion

[lean garden]

alternatively, the problem is not with the void

but with something belonging to the Sentient

like a mental construct

[fast dew]

Mm, really wish one of the Entrati researched more of the sentients

[dire mountain]

Really wish we'd just know a lot more about sentients

[fast dew]

The orokin clearly wanted Albrecht to do so but he uh

Didn't do that 😭

[lean garden]

because if you think about it the same sentient amp can handle the void beam that kills another sentient

[fast dew]

God dammit if Albrecht wasn't so autistic we'd know more

Oh Bau did I show you this piece of work?

[lean garden]

dafaq

[fast dew]

Mhm. About... loid.

[celest needle]

Whispers in the wall first cutscene

[glacial bough]

Oh, reminds me a someone trying to blame Albrecht for the Zariman accident. I need to respond to them

[fast dew]

Shout out to. Being unable to date anyone but the first girlfriend I had when I was 12 because autism makes me unable to.

Love another person????

[fast dew]

WUH

Best you could blame is the finger thing but literally it was everyone else but him

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Good lord

People just be making shit up

[pale cedar]

I blame the finger on the door

[fallow granite]

I mean, I'd blame him for avoiding custody after he bore a void-entity

Which then was the one to make children fight parents

[left parrot]

Does Hydroid have a lore?

[hollow siren]

Only his Prime trailer

[left parrot]

Aww damn

[hollow siren]

Sevagoth's deluxe skin references Hydroid's deluxe, but Deluxe skin lore kinda goes into the "non-canon unless directly stated otherwise" area

the only Deluxe skin which is 100% canon is Valkyr Gersemi

[left parrot]

Guess more FAN lore on Hydroid hahaha

[loud oriole]

hydroid lore is just any appearance of Davey Jones in PotC

[strange turtle]

huh

[pale cedar]

This honestly screams ableism

[dire mountain]

Its always who you most expect

[pale cedar]

I wonder if they were called out for saying it by other users

[fast dew]

Yeah it uh. Was a choice

[fast dew]

Yeah lmao tried to be "woke" but somehow made it a lot worse

[dire mountain]

I mean. Same guy. Would not ever say they are woke

[daring tusk]

what even are the noodles on the head of banshee prime

[lean garden]

their list for what?

[strange turtle]

Afstsfs???

About him caressing Loid’s cheek

[lean garden]

design feature thats all

[strange turtle]

Also doesn’t address Caesar pointing out that they call eachother “my”

[dire mountain]

"What phrases would you permanently ban"

[strange turtle]

“If there’s a phobia there’s a philia and it’s digusting”
Don’t let this mf find out about the word heterophobia ig

[celest needle]

deathphobia

[celest needle]

oh thank god warframe doesn't have any of that stuff, it'd be disgusting if it had a dark skinned primary character, a non-binary warframe, and especially homosexual characters; thank Digital Extremes for not doing any of that stuff. /j

[dark compass]

do not the cat

[restive river]

It sounds like they don’t even want to talk to people lol

[devout fractal]

I am mission stuck and I’m sad cause I wanna do more silly lore but I’m “infiltrating Corpus Archives” and my Railjakc just Dies the second I pop up

This game refuses to let me be silly

[fast dew]

Oh no guys phasmophobia has a fetish counterpart 💔

[celest needle]

Is your railjack good?

[devout fractal]

Uh… I never built it. Has one single mod-

[fast dew]

That's uh

That would be your issue

[celest needle]

Do yourself a favor and spend like an hour or two doing earths RJ missions and scavenging for parts

[fast dew]

@restive river idk if you saw this but like. Yikes??? This person is. Strange

[devout fractal]

Gooooot it-

[celest needle]

Do you think ghosts are off the table

[fast dew]

To some people maybe

[restive river]

I saw
They need to go outside lol

[fast dew]

Strange and gross

[pale cedar]

I honestly don’t think they have seen an autistic person in their life

[restive river]

I have a feeling they may have beefed it with their respective Hex member lol

[dire mountain]

Put like any useful mods on also

Railjack is boringly easy with a built ship

[devout fractal]

I genuinely only own one mod- for that RJ

[pale cedar]

How

[restive river]

Time to play railjack missions

[celest needle]

do a single mission on earth

[pale cedar]

You can get many easily

[fast dew]

Like sure some autistic folk mildly latch onto people but we dont become irreversibly attached we cannot do anything else 😭 not without another more prominent issue

And like Albrecht has issues but over-attachment is NOT one of them, not like that 😭

[restive river]

Also Albrecht did not seem to like his wife but they don’t have the comprehension to see that he’s at the minimum bi so idk what I expected lol

[fast dew]

Not to mention the WIFE IS DEAD

[restive river]

If anything it’s the opposite and him doing it

[fast dew]

AND HAS BEEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME

[pale cedar]

They only got married to have a child

[fast dew]

Like. Before the night of the naga drums

[restive river]

Exactly

[pale cedar]

They’re was literally no love

[fast dew]

But nooo

[restive river]

The optimist in me hopes that they were friends maybe at the least

[fast dew]

Son directly confirms it too so. Roathe isn't just being an asshole

[restive river]

Made the best of a forced and gross situation

[devout fractal]

I lowkey thought I could just use public servers to do these RJ missions but NO ONE does them

[dire mountain]

He's like. The opposite

His issue is that he's distant

[pale cedar]

Albrecht and Gerivaine... it was an arranged business, you understand. Compatible genes, genius offspring guaranteed. No love in the mix to complicate things."

[fast dew]

I do like to believe Gerivaine had. Something. Euleria's parents were chosen to make a "perfect" child, traits from each. No clue what Gerivaine's was, no real clue what Albrecht's part was, maybe just. Generally poor emotional intelligence

[celest needle]

they're pretty easy solo tbh

[pale cedar]

Also this one I find funny

“Grandfather wasn't just a rejected scientist. He was a rejected poet, too. I've done my part to keep up the tradition."

[dire mountain]

With npc crew members yeah

[restive river]

I think they fell into the problem of most players either aren’t there yet and the ones that are, are passed that
Goodluck

[devout fractal]

No no I mean the one I’m struggling on- I was hoping someone public would do it and I’d hop along but UGH

[devout fractal]

I am in railjack hell

[dire mountain]

Should've been there for railjack launch 🚬

[fast dew]

Son is a bit more empathetic to Albrecht, and Mother and Father never mention anything about their feelings regarding the situation, so I suppose they are far more neutral [maybe understanding??] of the situation

[restive river]

Trust me
You aren’t in hell

[devout fractal]

You guys are scaring me

[restive river]

Railjack launch was like
A bethesda game

[dire mountain]

The only modern railjack related hell is the monotony i fear

[pale cedar]

Should’ve seen how long it took to make a RJ at launch

[restive river]

Sometimes when i play it it still will just bug out sometimes
Duplicate frame
Missing heads
Thankfully no loss of functionality

That gamemode is haunted by its own corpse istg

[dire mountain]

Fitting, I guess. For a ship with a reliquary drive

[restive river]

Should have seen how long it took to wait to launch it lol

[restive river]

The voices

[fast dew]

Another thing to mention, Grandmother does express her grievances with Albrecht's actions but it does seem to be more "whats done is done"

Only. Daughter is massively upset about it i think

[restive river]

Kinda makes sense tbh

[pale cedar]

There’s a bug I found where forward artillery became a regular turret

[fast dew]

Also shout out Mother not really talking about Albrecht post reunion, but just Loid. Growth :)

[restive river]

That’s not a bug
You can swap fire modes

[fast dew]

Lol, lmao even

[pale cedar]

You can but I mean it actually chose to register as a regular turret without input

[celest needle]

Does this mean Roathe can meet Kahl?

[restive river]

Oop
Railjack moment

[restive river]

Technically yes if Roathe left Deimos
But let’s keep him away

[fast dew]

Yeah, Roathe would call him a slur though lmao

[pale cedar]

Roathe is best away from Grineer

[restive river]

He’s still racist/classist/whatever you wanna call his attitude towards the slave people his class made and he condones (afaik)

[restive river]

He’s best away from oxygen

[fast dew]

Nother reason I'm not a fan of drifter actually, what does that imply for drifter to not seem to care when their friend uses slurs against a minority

[pale cedar]

He’s meant to be on his redemption arc not him seeing a Grineer would ruin it

[fast dew]

Not a big fan of that

-# my humble opinion of being tolerant of a asshole makes you an asshole

[pale cedar]

Roathe saying it is why Drifter beats him up in Dark Refractory trust

[fast dew]

He would say that

I always vaguely wonder when a roathe defender will eventually come in when were discussing this shit and what they'd do

Because. Its kinda hard to defend.
Using slurs

Outside "well hes an orokin he doesn't know better!!" Or "well he said he's changing!!!" [Ignoring the ending where he gets WORSE]

[pale cedar]

Thomas Worm will do it just to argue

[fast dew]

His defenders always like to ignore the other ending for some reason

Like I get it, I dont like its existence either but

Like. Let's not ignore it

[restive river]

Hey let’s uh
Not forget the Operator’s sins

Against the Grineer

"Ballistics and archaic weapons – crude and dangerous, just like the Grineer."

"The Grineer used to be builders; now all they make is war."

"You'd think they'd clone something a little less… ugly."

"The Grineer deteriorate over time… is that what makes them violent?"

"The Grineer have no honour."

"The Grineer prey on the weak, but we prey on the Grineer."

"If we could avoid alerting them, this may be easier."

[fast dew]

This is a bit more innocent, and more forgivable as it is a child, but still

[restive river]

The kid is ignorant lol

[celest needle]

I mean they're talking about the Grineer faction right? ;-;

[fast dew]

My tolerance levels change depending on age and class/caste

[pale cedar]

At least it wasn’t Drifter saying it

[ocean geyser]

“You’d think they’d clone something a little less… ugly” is crazy lmao

It feels like a quip a superhero would make

[fast dew]

Yeah, like a kid

[pale cedar]

Operator is directly responsible for the current state of Cloning as well

[restive river]

Eh, yes they have the brain and thus processing power of a child but like
They still have experiences beyond that
Steel meridian?
Every innocent Grineer?
Valdur??? (Which yes they don’t remember but cmon lol)

Kid or not this is ignorance at its finest.

[fast dew]

Should specify this is in reference to the amount of mess ups they can make, and how well they can recover from them

[pale cedar]

Like Operator it’s literally your fault

[celest needle]

Like most Grineer cannot leave the queens side unless they have a genetic defect and are blindly indoctrinated into it [iirc]

[fast dew]

A grown ass orokin using slurs will never really be okay for me, but a child like the operator doing what they do, while still wrong is a lot more understandable and more forgivable

As long as they stop the behaviour

-# which Roathe doesn't but yk

[pale cedar]

Operator says they used to be builders

Like that ever actually stopped

[twin wigeon]

now all they build is war

[restive river]

"The Grineer used to be builders; now all they make is war."

Meanwhile, the innocent Grineer they have helped who don’t want to fight:

"You'd think they'd clone something a little less… ugly."

Just messed up

"The Grineer have no honour."

Blatantly false

Like this isn’t innocence, they have experienced the Grineer, this isn’t some out of touch child they’ve seen and know the Grineer
At best some of these lines are generalizations
At worst it’s just ignorance.

[fast dew]

Something something conditioning? Yeah definitely ignorance and. Dare I say mild privilege blinding them...? Very little but its not surprising

[pale cedar]

Building war is still building

Operator might be a little dumb

[devout fractal]

Oh- I never used a single intrinsic in my railjack

[restive river]

It’s def not innocence, I can tell you that lol

[devout fractal]

That’s probably important lol

[restive river]

Very lol

[fast dew]

Passive discrimination vs active discrimination i think? Im not good at. Wording these things

[twin wigeon]

Very

lots of passive buffs + access to on crew calls which can help you lots of stuff

[pale cedar]

Intrinsics also give mastery

[devout fractal]

I had 30 intrisics

[devout fractal]

Awesome awesome got it :D

[restive river]

Meanwhile, the operator is pretty much dead on with the corpus lol

Against the Corpus

"So… the Corpus are just a cult, worshiping money."

"These Corpus remind me of the Orokin – selfish, greedy."

"They'll have plenty of robotics. Corpus never fight for themselves."

"Corpus technology won't be enough to stop us."

"Okay, ready to blast these machines into spare parts?"

"We'll put an end to this Corpus greed."

"Corpus have tech weapons, we'll need to be careful."

​"Watch for security systems."

Oh hey
Proof of both tenno feeling pain though Transference and uh
Orbs!

Upon taking significant damage in the warframe

"The Transference makes this hurt!"

"Internals damaged, we need to watch it."

"That hurts!"

"We've been damaged, need to heal."

"Need to find a health orb."

I think these may be unused as idr every hearing them

[twin wigeon]

ofc you never heard them, itd imply you gettting hurt

[restive river]

The Operator would call bosses dumb lol

"Keep talking… we're still trying to figure out how dumb you are."

[twin wigeon]

operator is such a child

[pale cedar]

Me in my head each time I see a Dseige video

[restive river]

This kid needs crazy therapy lol

[twin wigeon]

lol
Lmao, even

[restive river]

Oh this one goes great for that

"Huh… you're barely making sense."

[twin wigeon]

yeah... we cant take the operator to tau

[restive river]

Sorry buddy, Drifter needs to go first

Just in case there’s pretty sentients

[twin wigeon]

they are so gonna piss some sentient dignitary off

[restive river]

LOL

[twin wigeon]

but then again, if that happens we get another Orphix venom or Scarlet spear

[restive river]

I do hope we get some good characterization for and between drifter and operator while we’re in Tau

[restive river]

Then we bust out our new necramech that we’re totally getting

[pale cedar]

I’ll just use transference on one of the lab ones

[restive river]

It does sound like we’re heading to Tau with peace in mind
Which
Can’t imagine that will last or even go that way

[restive river]

Dog

[twin wigeon]

The lab ones are the ones we have

except more rusty id assume since they been sitting there for a itty bitty

[pale cedar]

Our ones aren’t dogs or headless

[fast dew]

Father apologised for making them btw

[twin wigeon]

ohhhhhh the arconids and the uhhhhh culverns

[pale cedar]

Why is he apologising for making them

They’re fun

[fast dew]

They're actually a part of the tombjockey class of necramechs!!

[twin wigeon]

yeah

a part or apart

[fast dew]

You know the one that got obliterated by the roly poly

Christ

Its late 😭

[ocean geyser]

Rolypolyst

[fast dew]

But uh yeah shout out father

[pale cedar]

Necramechs are useful for when there is an Orphix field so he’s apologising for nothing

[fast dew]

Hes apologising cuz theyre attacking us lmao

[ocean geyser]

He’s apologizing because they try to kill us

[scenic oar]

So, do anyone know the lore behind warframe fishmarket?

[twin wigeon]

yeah

Fish are more valuable due to their annoyance

[pale cedar]

But they also defend us

[ocean geyser]

Huh?

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/norg-warframe-trading-warframe-trading-fish-gif-15293485056260068488

[twin wigeon]

the Culverns and Arconids do NOT protect us

[fast dew]

From parvos maybe 😭

[ocean geyser]

He’s specifically talking about the ones in the labs
Which
Are actively beefing

[pale cedar]

Isn’t that Wally’s fault though not his

[twin wigeon]

Theyre beefing bc of the Murmur overriding their precepts or smth

[pale cedar]

Wally should be apologising

[twin wigeon]

[celest needle]

[loud oriole]

….

[fast dew]

[celest needle]

[pale cedar]

I wonder what Voidtounge version of Lie would look like

[fast dew]

KaXata probably

[pale cedar]

Surely it does exist in the language

Wally probably says it a lot in free time when we aren’t there

[celest needle]

it'd be so mucking funny to see a conversation in voidtongue

[pale cedar]

You can technically see a conversation in Voidtounge

[fast dew]

Ka is a modifier that reverses the next word's meaning, and xata being truth. The opposite would be lie

So. Kaxata

[restive river]

Ever think about what truth’s whisper is?

[tall echo]

-#

I will never forget the lie

[celest needle]

I wonder if we'll ever get a volt heirloom

His prime is quite
basic

[ashen pulsar]

we will, but I don’t think it’ll be soon

[north jolt]

Most likely at some point

[twin wigeon]

no volt heirloom

he has too many skins alr

Koumei Heirloom tho

[loud oriole]

gus heirloom

[ashen pulsar]

next heirloom is prob loki or smth

[fast dew]

Delusion and hoping its Limbo

[ashen pulsar]

maybe

I think heirlooms should be for underrated frames and should come with reworks or buffs

[restive river]

Loki?
Banshee?

[fast dew]

Limbo is a underrated frame in need of a mild rework 💔

Hes also due for a resurgence sometime

Been. 15 months since he was in last

[tall echo]

mesa:

[ashen pulsar]

I think they should

[restive river]

Loki

[raven wolf]

(Note to self: Resurgence frames are NOT coming back any time soon...)

[north jolt]

Thats irrelevant to why Heirlooms exist in the first place

[twin wigeon]

[north jolt]

Plus DE already said that all Warframes will get a heirloom at some point even if it's many years down the road

Loki, Excal, Volt, Saryn, Nova, Nekros, Nyx and Oberon in no particular order are probably next

[fast dew]

It can depend I think, some frames come back in faster

Its not in any real order

[pale cedar]

I’m surprised they did it so randomly tbh

If all frames are getting a Heirloom I’m surprised they started with Frost and Mag not doing Excal

Though it could be because Excal already has a ton of skins

[celest needle]

since excal prime literally cannot be obtained

[twin wigeon]

well frost was the first prime no

[celest needle]

and also we have umbra who looks regal enough

[twin wigeon]

first prime released i mean

[pale cedar]

Excal was the first Prime followed short after by Frost

Frost was just the first non founder Prime frame

[ocean geyser]

Wyd if DE makes Himbo Heirloom skin

[fast dew]

Exploding

[ocean geyser]

I wonder what Excal prime would have looked like if he had today’s design conventions

[fast dew]

And congratulating the artist

Who came in here yesterday and scared the shit out of me

[ocean geyser]

Understandable
I will not identify what manner of explode

[pale cedar]

Probably the same just with more detail

[strange turtle]

Himbo

[hollow siren]

we already got that with Rhino

[ocean geyser]

Precisely

[ocean geyser]

Himbo limbo specifically

[hollow siren]

Limbo is not muscular at all he's a twig

needs the rift of he snaps in half

[fast dew]

Clearly you haven't seen the fanconcept for it

[ocean geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486170462080733284/1505306077208776834/limbo-heirloom-with-detachable-auxiliary-v0-dtg31bd8di1h1.png?ex=6a140848&is=6a12b6c8&hm=8f5b0da778ff4289d39b0d7ae77cd9a7e62b472d911112802b6748ef5aa07edc&

Behold

[hollow siren]

a Himbo also needs to be dumb, which Limbo most definitely is not

[fast dew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/rW4B7oB4dL

Woe

They have an updated one

[celest needle]

Artist posted this DIRECTLY into here btw

https://tenor.com/view/3-gato-gif-7696470040435474518

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-tongue-out-gif-4829872985915087399

[midnight ice]

ten billion gold accents

[fast dew]

Chat is she insane

[woven coyote]

Lol

[rigid compass]

Whats wf font

[dark compass]

"why is it relevant- oh wait it's rebb"

[fast dew]

Rebb posting on her insta is funny

[woeful cedar]

She is insane for different reasons but I do think that’s the same font

[fast dew]

I am well aware of her insanity of other means

[weary crow]

Note: This was an edit by a commenter, i did not make this lmao

[celest needle]

expand upon it

[strange turtle]

I wish Mag Prime had today’s design conventions

Why the hell is she DIRTY

[ocean geyser]

Whay

[normal mountain]

Similar to Umbra, but light themed

[rigid compass]

Way too buff for limbo

[tall echo]

and without all the crescent stuff bc that sybolizes the moon

[celest needle]

-# has not seen the other heirlooms btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545119074527608832/1292336916435304488/casinobert.gif

[normal mountain]

Tbf, the current male Heirlooms are all buff frames

[fast dew]

Eh Frost wasnt too buff

As in. His base skin

[normal mountain]

Still pretty buff

[fast dew]

He wasnt as narrow as limbo, i think he is the slimmest of the masc warframes

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Maybe he'd have some light armor plating designs or something

[magic storm]

What about Inaros? Big barrel chest and a thigh gap you could drive a truck through with clearance.

[fast dew]

Ahh the big chest rules him out

Oh wait Nezha

Some do a size comparison of limbo's arms to Nezha's

[strange turtle]

You can’t tell from her preview stuff

But if you actually buy or craft her

What would be bright white on other primes is just, pretty dim. And she has a bunch of like, dark greasy/dirty marks on her

[rigid compass]

Nezha heirloom wouldnt be buff

[fast dew]

Also I. Dont think that limbo heirloom is particularly buff. Having muscle definition ≠ buff

[ashen pulsar]

you don’t need to be huge to be buff

[fast dew]

No but generally you need to be wider than what Limbo is there. He'd be toned, not really. Buff. Too slim..

[ashen pulsar]

it literally just means “a physique enhanced by bodybuilding exercises”

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[weary crow]

Many ppl really want twinkier limbo it seems

[fast dew]

Eh, not a fan of it

Never understood why folk like twinks

[main geyser]

are the drill extractos we send on each planet the extractors we defend in excavation missions canonically?

[pale cedar]

No, they have completely different models

Ours are also a thing that goes from node to node while mission ones are more localised

[main geyser]

ok ty

[rigid bramble]

Daklo

Let go or attack?any significance in the choice?

[rigid compass]

No

[rigid compass]

Would nezha heirloom still be nezha if it was buff

[restive river]

Since he’s a cephalon that’s a proxy body
So attacking him is more so venting frustration towards his words prior
That’s kinda it though

[ocean geyser]

same reason you like old men yaoi i suppose

[fast dew]

True

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[honest flare]

guys can someone give Fred111111111 100p but you need to be on nintendo platform i will even make elephant noises if you do it

[ashen pulsar]

first of all, begging is against the rules of this server.
second, this is the channel for lore.

[honest flare]

mb

speaking of why can we date in warframe

like just why

in the 1999

[strange plinth]

why not
growing close to the hex is important to keeping the man in the wall out of 1999
dating is an optional part of that

[hollow siren]

gameplay variety

[celest needle]

They're also the only other humans in this universe

[hollow siren]

Most things in warframe are humans

[celest needle]

That aren't either already in a relationship, want you dead, or are purely business or family related

[honest flare]

when i finished the hex i was wishing that i could get to keep the atomicycle and i was very happy when i did

[restive river]

Arbiters?
They’re all about the Tenno

[celest needle]

business related

[stiff beacon]

You mean a complete rando not affiliated with any group or faction

[daring tusk]

Why is there no grineer thats warframified

Its always the dax or some normal people

[fast dew]

We dont know if any have been

[glacial bough]

Thr Orokin would never use the Grineer for that

[fast dew]

The orokin did in fact use them like that actually

Just remembered that all the uriels were Roathe's soldiers

So. Mostly Grineer and Dax

[daring tusk]

Is teshin/dax pure human?

I know theyre augmented but idk if they got escudo'd a little bit

[fast dew]

Probably™

[daring tusk]

Microdosing on that infested fent

Why isnt otak snitching about loid

[tall echo]

he doesn't know

[daring tusk]

Isnt he stuck in the cake of necraloid

[tall echo]

he's put to sleep when necraloid goes through the wobbly void door

[weary crow]

what about Vauban the tech engineer boi

[rigid compass]

Normal vauban was a strongman trust

Can I say what nezha is here?

[glacial bough]

[rigid compass]

We all know what he is 😔 🥀

[weary crow]

then why cant limbo, he might go to the gym as much as his research table

[restive river]

If its the thing region chat says
That’s a slur

[dusty dragon]

Huh?

[celest needle]

Which major update would ya'll say had the most budget put toward it AND its marketting?

[feral cape]

prolly new war

[feral cape]

It will always be either the ending or beginning of an arc thats the best

The rising action is typically not as heavily invested into because a horrible start is how you get media nobody reads and a terrible ending is how you get a majority of modern shonen

[inland spire]

is equinox a girl in both forms or is she a guy in day form?

[daring tusk]

how do you pronounce skiajati

sk-yuh-yuh-ti?

[lean garden]

girl in both

[twin wigeon]

Ski-ya-jah-tea

[twin wigeon]

Forgot to reply ping

[celest needle]

genderfluid warframe when

[twin wigeon]

Nidus?

I mean he is a guy yeah

Yeah nevermind

[pearl glen]

Eskiajitai

What things in the origin system can defeat warframes? Aside from other warframes and the stalker

[celest needle]

Sentients, Kuva Liches, Sisters of Parvos

[pearl glen]

Zanuka and the 3 bad grineer bad guys can?

[lean garden]

bombs

[pearl glen]

Bombs?

[lean garden]

yea parvos blew up 4 warframes with a bomb

big enough for overkill

[pale cedar]

"The palace birds think they can control us. They hit our research site with a Warframe assault team. Of course they did. I baited them to do it. The whole site lite up. Eighty mega-therm bloom. The whole lab, vaporized, those Warframes with it. Fire. Fusion. Void."

There’s also Gara who blew herself up to kill the Sentient

When it comes to Warframes almost anything that can kill a human can kill a Warframe

[celest needle]

cancer

[feral cape]

Sentients
The jade light
An ogris
A 2 megaton bomb
Pregnancy
The lotus
The zanuka project
Probably some other stuff

[pale cedar]

Bullets

Blade

[bleak raptor]

qorvex needs more lore

[restive river]

What else could he have?
He was made for us specifically and we don’t know if he was utilized in the war

[bleak raptor]

we don't know a lot of things about him is my problem with his lore

[restive river]

We know who made him and why

What are you wanting to know

[bleak raptor]

we don't know what the crucible core actually is and we don't know when he was designed. also why does he harbor so much destructive tendencies if we have no proof that we was ever conscious

was he designed preemptively as foresight

[restive river]

It’s radiation
During the old war
He was made to protect us

[pale cedar]

We don’t know when any Warframe was actually designed Qorvex isn’t special in that regard

[restive river]

Tenno, the warframe Qorvex was designed by my Albrecht's own hand, to protect the chosen Operator from the hazards of his laboratory. This design is yours by right.

Albrecht Entrati designed Qorvex to protect a Chosen Operator from the unique hazards of his lab. A Crucible Core gives Qorvex high survivability as he provides crowd control.

This brutalist, concrete-like Warframe features a unique design courtesy of Albrecht Entrati. Created to serve as a bulwark against terrifying forces, it functions as a new guardian to the Tenno.

I believe this is everything we officially have on him

[restive river]

We know Old War which only sorta narrows it down lol

[pale cedar]

It narrows a time period but we don’t know how long the Old War lasted or when in the War

[bleak raptor]

i still question why he is so brutal in nature despite no precise source being told

[restive river]

Qorvex was designed for the Chosen Operator, so that we may protect ourselves by utilizing radiation which is harmful to the Murmur

His visual style may be due to Albrecht wanting to mock Wally but this is speculative

His personality may just come from the guy Albrecht used

[restive river]

He’s brutal in nature because he’s brutalist?

[celest needle]

The living demon core made of concrete GETS to be a demon core

https://tenor.com/view/qorvex-warframe-warframe-qorvex-warframe-dance-warframe-rage-gif-5411743302686245669

[restive river]

The idle anims are remnants of the individual before their mind was subdued, but we don’t have details on the design process
Did Albrecht design him entirely from scratch?
He likely had to use someone to make the design as Qorvex is a frame
But we don’t even know if Qorvex was actually made until we get the design, if he even participated in the old war

[bleak raptor]

i really want to see DE expand more on Qorvex's backstory because the personality on him is all about destruction, he can't handle sitting still without venting his urge to destroy

he doesn't even want to dodge he goes to charge at his enemy

[restive river]

What backstory?
We have his details

[bleak raptor]

the person used to make him

[restive river]

Albrecht made him for the chosen Operator to protect themselves against the Murmur

[bleak raptor]

if there was one

[pale cedar]

We don’t have that for almost any frame

[restive river]

Yeah we don’t really get that for frames, bar very few exceptions

[bleak raptor]

protoframes are the closest thing i can think of

[celest needle]

We need more lore on Oraxia in my opinion

Not anything crazy

[restive river]

Frame backstories and stories in general are more so about the frame, something they did, a feat, their death, etc

[restive river]

Those aren’t the originals of those frames though
Flare being the only exception

Arthur isn’t the first Excalibur nor is his story Excalibur’s story
He’s just an Excalibur

[pale cedar]

Having to explain the human for every single Warframe would be a lot of work that isn’t worth it when most won’t care about it

[bleak raptor]

they still do a good reflection of the frame's personality

[restive river]

It largely also wouldn’t be relevant

[restive river]

Yes, but they themselves are distinctly not the frame

I would super be down for a Qorvex proto though
But that’s not Qorvex lore for the same reason that Vena’s story isn’t Garuda lore

[bleak raptor]

i justwould like to at least hear of what the person used to make qorvex did as occupation before becoming the frame. and if they were willing to become it since it wasn't ballas doing the frame creation

[restive river]

Even when Ballas was doing it there was volunteers

Good chance he was a Dax though, I doubt he volunteered to be Qorvex though since Albrecht’s whole thing wasn’t public

Albrecht, after understanding the Helminth strain could have told Loid to just kidnap a guy or lure a Dax down into the basement

[bleak raptor]

it'd be more lore on albrecht and qorvex, so DE might have partial reason to go ther if they are planning to

[restive river]

There is also the debate on if Qorvex was ever built prior to us receiving the design
He’s only said to be a design

[bleak raptor]

and the dax seem usually more elegant and often defensive, where qorvex portrays mainly offensive acts with it defending something being only something he was obligated to do

[restive river]

It’s possible that Qorvex’s lore is just
Whatever you do with him, protect yourself from the horrors
He was designed for us

[restive river]

The Dax were just people, it coulda just been a rougher round the edges Dax

[pale cedar]

Dax are humans so a human being offensive rather than defensive isn’t shocking

[restive river]

It’d make sense to use a Dax anyway since
Qorvex exists to protect us
Whoever’s getting helminthed is gonna be better than Dax no matter what ofc but Ballas used the best for a reason

[bleak raptor]

i feel like someone like that would be unique enough to be in lore, as i haven't seen one as passionate as qorvex is when he slams his fists into the ground

[restive river]

Eh, I can’t really imagine there’d be much to really tell

[bleak raptor]

true, but i'd like to hear some background on it, even if it's one sentence

also i'd like to know how he would get a prime version

[restive river]

I am hopeful we will get more details with the prime

If he gets a prime Trailer it’ll def have Albrecht talking

Part of me makes me think that we’d mostly just get him deciding that he needs to make a radiation frame for us

Def expecting his prime to have Obols too
I do wonder if they’ll explain his prime or not as sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t

[bleak raptor]

they have a lot of directions to go with his prime storywise

[restive river]

Like?

[bleak raptor]

if his prime was made recently to deal with newer threats albrecht has come across

or if it was designed as an upgrade to help deal with the wall

or if it was something he had paused in the works prior to leaving the lab or if he just recently made it

[restive river]

I mean the trailers usually aren’t specifically about the primes but more so the frame in general
Anything specific about the prime would be in his descriptions

[restive river]

A planned upgrade seems the most probable to me

[bleak raptor]

and would the trailer be his showcase in a new environment albrecht has the tenno deal with

DE isn't landlocked with their direction to push his prime towards is my point

[restive river]

Probably just the labs since Qorvex was made for the labs
Plus if he has Obols it’d match perfectly

[restive river]

I wouldn’t expect them to do a lot with it tbh
And they may in fact not be able to do much for him depending on surrounding updates

[bleak raptor]

i know, i just hope they do a lot with qorvex, even though they haven't shown any drive to

[restive river]

I mean
A lot would be a prime trailer that, like other prime trailers maybe will give us some lore
With the prime itself having maybe something in the descriptions, same with their prime weapons and accessories

I unfortunately don’t really see him getting like
A leverian for instance or lore fragments like Garuda’s getting due to what we already know about him

I doubt he has any feats unique to himself as an individual, he was made with the tenno in mind so he seems unlikely to have been a gen 1

[strange plinth]

voruna prime manages to have both yet not much lore
mostly implied stuff

[restive river]

Yeah, it’s arguably still vague as to when her prime was exactly made
But she got a whole leverian so

Iirc Voruna Prime is the 50th Prime released so that’s also likely why she got the trailer she did

[bleak raptor]

they might just give qorvex the bare minimum lore they can

[restive river]

Aka fancy prime description that leaves it mostly vague lol

[strange plinth]

49th or 50th, depending on if you count excal prime, yeah
-# mostly matters because he's not obtainable

[restive river]

He’s still a Prime and even if you don’t count him you should then count Umbra as he was the answer to Excal Prime being unavailable
They’re functionally both primes for the same frame so either way
She’s the 50th :p

[radiant pier]

I'd kill for a qorvex rework/augment

I need some silly looking shit that's somehow really effective

[restive river]

Idc if Umbra is technically different when he’s got the Prime treatment
Higher stats
Excessive gold
Even the mod polarities

[radiant pier]

give me a loud as hell burst laser nuke

[strange plinth]

tbf his 2 augment makes that ability decent
i enjoy the trash compactor

[restive river]

He doesn’t really need a rework

[radiant pier]

make me a Mr.X with a giant "I hate that direction SPECIFICALLY" beam

MAKE ME A GUNDAM X

[restive river]

His weakness comes from his augments being a bit more required for many
Which
He isn’t the only one

I’m curious if DE will ever tackle “the augment problem”

[radiant pier]

screw it, MAKE ME THE DOUBLE X GUNDAM

[restive river]

If they do like
An augment slot or something and tie it to the story as an upgrade like Tennokai I’d be down for that

[strange plinth]

potentially
though i could see complaints about the exilus slot already working like that most of the time

[radiant pier]

BIG BANG KAMEHAMEHA ×100

[restive river]

That’s only for a specific handful of augments though :?
which maybe the answer is make all augments capable of using that slot

[radiant pier]

boutta give a corpus boss ultra super cancer

[restive river]

Which tbh I’d rather a new slot that you just get for free that’s only for augments lol

[strange plinth]

mm, i thought more augments used it
apparently not, though

[fast dew]

Ah well more should

[radiant pier]

I remember someone saying something about how a dev or someone said augments need to earn their place rather than just a thing you add automatically? but like I don't remember WHO or even WHERE I heard that

[strange plinth]

that does make sense
that could've been said anywhere though, yeah

[fast dew]

Yeah wait

[radiant pier]

I think it's a fair argument regardless tho

[fast dew]

Hold on

I just had a thought

[radiant pier]

but some of the REALLYYY old ones just need that fix

[fast dew]

(Dangerous)

[hollow siren]

doesn't really reflect how most Augments nowadays are sadly

[fast dew]

If. People weren't permitted to know of how warframes are made besides the 7

How

How were there volunteers 😭

[hollow siren]

"How would you like to aid the golden lords in the war effort against the Sentients? This is a great honour you know"

[strange plinth]

prolly just obscuring the actual process to them, yeah

[fast dew]

Shit so like

Did Albrecht just figure it out???????

Same with Parvos why does his ass know

Wait maybe he doesn't

[strange plinth]

what's that one loid line hold on

[hollow siren]

Albrecht likely got access to Warframe tech either by some deal with Ballas or just by his prestige of being the Entrati patriarch

[fast dew]

The prestige that he would've lost after he was deemed insane 😭

[hollow siren]

Could've gotten info from the Labs maybe

[fast dew]

Could've yeah

Depending on when the raid was

[radiant pier]

probs just elite inner circles

[hollow siren]

plus he 100% knew of Warframes just as a concept, so he could've made the design for Protea without really knowing the details of what the Warframes actually are

[strange plinth]

"I cannot lie, Tenno. I've always felt nervous in the presence of Warframes. The Orokin twisted people into weapons, and I've seen firsthand the bloody and well-deserved consequences of that act."
obv this is way after the fact but. hm.

[radiant pier]

either that is they got lied to

[fast dew]

What does that one even mean Loid

[radiant pier]

"wanna volunteer for this medical procedure?"

[fast dew]

Loid vague posting 💔

[hollow siren]

probably saw some Warframes rebel all Rhino Prime Codex style

[fast dew]

He was aware of the rebellion yeah

[strange plinth]

"well. technically, it's a medical experiment."

[fast dew]

Like i get it if he just meant like. Warframe rebellion but seeing that shit first hand is a whole separate beast

[radiant pier]

still, I wouldn't expect the Orokin to be the type to tell whole truths especially when they do their weird science shit

[fast dew]

He would've been sheltered from it due to his connection with the Entrati

Er. Isolation with the family rather

Also do we know if the rebellions were before or after the biobomb

[radiant pier]

I don't get the confusion towards this, am I missing something?

[fast dew]

What does he mean first hand 😭

[hollow siren]

After most likely

[fast dew]

Loid you are a butler what do you mean you've seen a warframe gank a person first hand

[radiant pier]

which part? Loid seeing the Warframes kill people viciously?

[strange plinth]

the biobomb is such a 'place wherever on the timeline' ngl
there's almost nothing about when it happened afaik

[radiant pier]

I mean he's a butler of an orokin

or are you referring to the timeline of things

[fast dew]

Yeah that should mean he doesn't see people get murdered

[radiant pier]

wait when did albrecht go into 1999

[fast dew]

Sometime

Oh oh wait

[strange plinth]

during the old war, not sure about pre/post old peace

[hollow siren]

Based on how much experience the Entrati seem to have with living alongside Deimos' unique wildlife, it feels likely it happened somewhat early

[fast dew]

Yeah sometime after the old peace

[radiant pier]

I'm tryna figure out your confusion

was Loid always just in the lab?

[fast dew]

Has to have kidnapped roathe post old peace pre 1999

[strange plinth]

right, yes

[radiant pier]

I don't see why Loid witnessing the Orokin getting murdered by Warframes seem out of place

[fast dew]

Also grey did you know Necramechs were apparently used quite far into the war?

[hollow siren]

Roathe was kidnapped after the Old Peace had started

[radiant pier]

wasn't the whole rebellion thing like.....started out as a gigantic sneaky attack?

[strange plinth]

its mostly just. if he was with albrecht/the family most of the time, when would he have been able to see it firsthand

[fast dew]

1. Shouldn't be around warframes in general
2. What warframes would he have been around to have even seen that
3. Why was he personally there to see someone get murdered??

[strange plinth]

-# also loid was asleep before the naga drums, as he thinks the war is still going on when he wakes

[fast dew]

Near the end according to roathe

So like. Father is just kinda a wimp and isnt very proud 😭

[strange plinth]

odd. father makes it sound like they got shelved immediately after. wherever that one got bodied by a ropalolyst. don't remember the name

[radiant pier]

I mean, Albrecht was a pretty known Orokin, I wouldn't be surprised if he was just present in some gathering with Loid and then a Warframe pops up and cannibalizes an Orokin

[fast dew]

Tombjockey, which happen to be the same class as the quadruped necramechs in the labs

[radiant pier]

3. the Orokin are annoying as hell! I'd be more surprised if there were people at the time that DIDN'T witness an orokin get annihilated with vicious hate

I'm more surprised it didn't happen more often!

[fast dew]

"While the effectiveness of these lumbering Necramechs fell off towards the end of the war, we never would have survived to that point without them."
-# shout out ducky for pointing this out

[radiant pier]

actually wait how far along were the Warframes when Albrecht knew about them

[hollow siren]

Common Roathe W glazing Necramechs

[strange plinth]

right, but the only thing that could kill an orokin was another orokin in most cases
the dax couldn't attack them, nor the grineer.
just the one thing they didn't drill loyalty in to could. though not for lack of trying

[fast dew]

Very rare Roathe W

Man is an asshole and very rarely right

Looking at his descendia lines pisses me off

[hollow siren]

fair but he's kinda hot about it so

I forgive him

[radiant pier]

Nick.

[fast dew]

I dont bastard deserves to rot

[strange plinth]

some of his date lines are. interesting. in multiple meanings.

[hollow siren]

I am not immune to freaky evil demon boyfriend

[fast dew]

"A massacre of targets that do not fight back? Familiar. The only problem is narrowing it down."

not a big fan of that implication

[radiant pier]

you see this is why I always butcher him solo in Descendia

multiple times

Nick are you perhaps white

[strange plinth]

hm. wonder if they were just considered 'experimental' for way longer than we thought
but even then, the 'you were the second wave' line seems odd if the warframes and necramechs were both in use for that long

[radiant pier]

why would it be odd?

[pale cedar]

It makes sense if the Family continued them despite frames being made

[fast dew]

Or father just isn't confident in his abilities 😭

"Ah, the ever-ready, if not always effective Necramechs. Their devisor never received enough credit for his creations..."

[radiant pier]

as an intense Gundam fan, I see no reason why one should be confused why something experimental should be mass produced and used for so long

it's like seeing the Zaku I in the later half of the OYW

[fast dew]

Generally an experiment isn't done as a long term solution

Experimental means its still being controlled in some capacity

As in. Not fully realised

Why did essentially half baked machines last as long as they did against the effectiveness of warframes?

[strange plinth]

"Look, you were the second wave, kid. The Necramechs were Void-shielded, Sentient-pulse immune... as bright as a bag of hammers and just as dependable. Not like you."

"The Orokin claimed Necramechs weren't smart enough to face an enemy that could learn, and retire them early."
the way he speaks sounds like the necramechs were retired before or soon after the warframes showed up
or at least warframes piloted by tenno

[fast dew]

Probably just the immunity to. Orphix fields or whatever its called

[radiant pier]

could've just been something they were familiar with, or there weren't that many options

[fast dew]

X to doubt

They had options. They had warframes!

[radiant pier]

like....the Zaku I being deployed long after the Zaku IIs entered mass production

[strange plinth]

right, but the warframes were specialized and seemingly easier to make, on top of other improvements
why continue using the stuff already deemed ineffective if your new stuff works fine

[pale cedar]

Retired by the Orokin
The Family continued using them

[radiant pier]

the military sucks ok!

lot of incompetence in logistics and leadership to go around

this remains true for pretty much every single series that exists

[fast dew]

They were used late into the war according to roathe is the issue

[fast dew]

Dude the difference being one doesn't have a use anymore

[radiant pier]

"we have Warframes!"
'here's a necramech'

[radiant pier]

oh wait they were issued late? then nvm lmfao

[fast dew]

Literally everything a necramech does a warframe can do with very little exceptions

They can do it if not better

[pale cedar]

I'm not denying that I'm saying it doesn't say who used them late into the war

[radiant pier]

could've already had them on the way yk

[fast dew]

The family left sometime before the war ended so like. Unless they stopped being useful around the same time??

[radiant pier]

we can also chalk it up to garbage logistics

[fast dew]

And depending on when the biobomb happened, the entrati mightve been deemed dead

[pale cedar]

The Deimos bombing could've been late into it

[radiant pier]

I feel like the only reason I'm not confused about this is because I'm not aware how terribly confusing the timeline is sometimes

[fast dew]

Its tiresome

[strange plinth]

'searching for her father's ghost' line here

[pale cedar]

It's not as bad as the condadicaty Albrecht was there for the marriage vs Albrecht wasn't for the marriage

[fast dew]

Exactly so like

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-tweak-tweaking-what-gif-1547006946285359423

Someone hit me. Very hard

Please i cannot keep doing this shit

Its doing my mind in 😭

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-pillow-fight-sleepover-fly-smack-gif-14768054

[fast dew]

Thank you nemesis

[radiant pier]

okay so it's totally just cause I'm not aware of the annoying intricacies of the timeline

I'm more familiar with military logistic incompetence

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/gerald-gerald-guy-gerald-cat-gerald-orange-geraldgooby-gif-8937190490052050661

[fast dew]

Maybe i should rewatch Invincible man that shit makes more sense than this

[celest needle]

Stewly Blume my beloved

[fast dew]

• Cecil goop bath is always fun to watch
  -# its a 5 second bit of animation

[pale cedar]

With this one, we don't know when late into the War actually was timeline wise so late into it could’ve been when the bombing happened

I bet mechs were there when the Sentients hit Deimos and just weren't enough which is why the bomb had to go off

You wouldn't infest a place if they were actually winning

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[scenic oar]

so, is "Give me back my fingerrrr" whole point of Wally ?

[fast dew]

Depends on what you mean by "point"

Like. His motivation? Sure to get the finger but we don't know what else he will do after that

[scenic oar]

ya, i mean , why he doing all these like possess Rusalka , made deal with Tenno , etc, just to get his finger back ?

[fast dew]

Maybe

[restive river]

He wants his finger back
He wants Albrecht dead/to suffer
He’s not a fan of us breaking our deal, saving the Hex and taking 1999 from him
And he’s generally just not a very good dude and his motives for other terrible actions are unclear beyond he thought it was funny/experimenting

[fast dew]

He's just kinda evil

[restive river]

From Neci he gets an easy access door
From our deal, we have no idea what he gets

[scenic oar]

plotting to get his finger back perhaps ?

[restive river]

He also made a real with Baro and it’s a similar story
No idea what he got out of it

[scenic oar]

we just part of his "plan" to get his finger back ?

[pale cedar]

Scaro

[restive river]

Maybe, but he also gave the tenno Void powers for the bit after meeting the parents insane soooo

[restive river]

But what does he get out of making “Drifters”

[scenic oar]

ya , maybe he wanna use Tenno, to focus on something, related to locate his finger or something

[restive river]

If that’s the case he’s done a very bad job at making us look for them lol

[pale cedar]

I just wanna see the Wally Weirdmageddon

[scenic oar]

but do he make Drifter tho ? or is Drifter as part of eternalism which just simply not under wally control

[fast dew]

Follow Albrecht -> find finger maybe..?

[fast dew]

Wally can control some aspects of eternalism

[restive river]

Drifter is a product of eternalism due to the deal Wally made with us, he chose for it to go that way
It’s probable, though just a theory, he did this with Baro too
We don’t know why

The only natural cases of eternalism I think we have Elesnor Nun and the constellation crew

[scenic oar]

speak of Eleanor nun ~

[restive river]

No

[scenic oar]

i wish DE come up with Eleanor with Nun costumeeeeeee ~ ><

[fast dew]

I don't

[restive river]

She’s in an inaccessible timeline and if you want a nun go see the Triad

[fast dew]

We already got marie for that fetish

[restive river]

As shallow as Marie is she will probably refill you niche

[restive river]

Roathe’s horrible comments 😭

Are those stereotypical actually
I’m not well versed in that

[fast dew]

Roathe being a creep or

Because its probably normal for Roathe

[restive river]

His creep lines for her

[fast dew]

Uhh can you get em im in the middle of something rn

[restive river]

Istg every week we talk about Roathe sucking lol

[fast dew]

HE JUST SUCKS

[restive river]

I’ll try but no gurantee, mobile no like wiki

[fast dew]

💔

[restive river]

Nope don’t work

[celest needle]

How do ya'll think Ryoku is going to be personality wise?

[fast dew]

Evil

[restive river]

The part where i stop of me trying to tap on the lines

[fast dew]

Woah what the shit

[restive river]

Why does it work for the mountain of dementia and stalker lines but not any of these

[fast dew]

That does NOT happen with me

Maybe cuz im Android but yk