lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Consider the cavia for what

[restive river]

In the loop she’s chill
She can eat the infested
She’s got us and the Hex
But outside of it?
18 radiation wars

[fast dew]

Humans somehow persists, so maybe she went with them

[celest needle]

A moral necessity or very bad?

[restive river]

I’d say a potential issue with her being like the Cavia is that would then mean she’s where they were at when we got to the labs
If she’s cured or alchemized or whatever then why didn’t he do that for the others?

[fast dew]

A moral necessity, but still bad

I understand the need for animal testing, I am not wholly against it

[restive river]

Everything but the Drifter would persist
My point is outside of the loop she isn’t safe anymore

[fast dew]

But there needs to be measures during or post test that manages their pain

[restive river]

Inside the loop: good safe yay techrot feast and cuddles
Outside the loop: ??? 18 radiation wars at some point, she probably dies

[fast dew]

Id arguably be more hated than Albrecht because I would've went through with euthanasia post incident

[restive river]

Maybe Albrecht infused some Venari DNA to make her immortal

[celest needle]

Well to be fair he did give them sapience

And then left them

[fast dew]

Wally did that, Albrecht never intended for it

He expected them to die

He hoped it'll affect wally, anticipated another failure

[restive river]

Also there was the whole him not wanting to sacrifice Kalymos
Which shoots down her being a member of the Cavia
Aside from the whole alchemizing thing

[fast dew]

He never once planned for what happened to them

[fast dew]

Exactly I just think that he just likes his smart cat and made her immortal

[pale cedar]

He couldn’t even look at them when it did

[restive river]

Even if he could recreate it for her I doubt he would and if he did she’d have the same problem

[restive river]

Venari DNA

[fast dew]

In a. More controlled sense than the cavia

[restive river]

He was mucking about with the infestation
Making Kalymos immortal is absolutely doable if he modified her to be like Venari

[fast dew]

-# euthanasia counts as pain management for animal testing by the way, I wouldve understood if he did euthanise the cavia, sometimes death is better than their suffering. Good thing loid helped later

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/kalymos-warframe-heart-cat-gif-14437175578720025539

[rigid compass]

We gonna chop him up and jump to other galaxies with his head and then fight aliens

[restive river]

Nah
Chop his head off and fight parallel realities, possible pasts and futures

[rigid compass]

For what?

DE: 500 grineer types

Evil Clem

[restive river]

For anything but aliens 😛
If you want that go play Soulframe

[rigid compass]

Already got aliens kirkiddo

Idk why everyone is so opposed to no aliens even if DE said it

"Its not warframe anymore"

Id argue it stopped being that when they added romance

To a looter shooter

[fast dew]

It makes the first alien less significant

[rigid compass]

?

U mean the flowers?

[fast dew]

An example would be the orokin. It was supposed to be super impactful to see one

And

Its not anymore

[rigid compass]

Sentients used to mean shi

[pale cedar]

DE nerfed Sentients

[rigid compass]

Nerfed as in release and new enemies or nerfed as in from release

[fast dew]

Same things with them, it gets less impactful. Which is why I think keeping aliens to a very small number is important

[rigid compass]

Like were they op on release

[restive river]

Because it wouldn’t be
You just don’t know what Warframe is about ig lol

[pale cedar]

Nerfed as in DE nerfed the damage they deal

[rigid compass]

Do u believe they should've kept orokin and sentients low. Sentients were new war so obviously not low but they should've been stronger. Granted the lore already showed a grineer could kill a fragment

[rigid compass]

Tweet slop

Maybe read my message

Ik they said that but havent they gone back on many things they said plus they literally added aliens

[restive river]

They have gone back on things before yes but a part of Warframe’s identity is that it explores the evolution of HUMANITY and TECHNOLOGY

[pale cedar]

What the tweet meant is the humanoid aliens plus they added aliens just to kill them

[restive river]

Aliens do not contribute anything beyond what
A comparison?

[pale cedar]

Also it’s an early guideline meaning early in development not necessarily set in stone forever

[restive river]

The sentients and the tau arc have elements of transhumanism, of humans and sentients becoming one
We have sentients who want to be human
And our tenno are now amalgams
Human evolution and technology.

I’d also argue the dating system, which is more so a friendship system with optional dating, fits into the realm of humanity pretty comfortably

[pale cedar]

We have Sentients who can build tech as well as humans

[restive river]

The typical sci-fi aliens would be redundant tbh

[pale cedar]

It’s also overdone

[fast dew]

-# mildly related but this is why the doom books are not liked, they made demons into random aliens

[pale cedar]

Warframe made demons into Aliens of Tau if you think about it

[restive river]

You want weird and humanlike or not humanlike at all?
Sentients
You want generic sci-fi?
Corpus
You want grunge?
Grineer
You want even weirder and mysterious?
Infested
You want the truly alien and somehow even weirder than those other guys, bordering on eldritch?
The void, Wally

We don’t need aliens, there is no argument presently that could make aliens work while also working with the actual themes and narrative of Warframe

If we ever get aliens then it’s going to be when the game is far from where it is now
Because genuinely what purpose would they serve

[pale cedar]

Only way I see DE adding them is them creating another Galaxy for us to go to

Milky Way doesn’t want em

[fast dew]

Worm goes by rule of cool sometimes so

[restive river]

So does DE
But you need to know when to draw the line
DE has drawn that line because they actually know what Warframe’s about

[restive river]

If we somehow go to Andromeda maybe lmao

[pale cedar]

Speaking of Galaxy I find it weird how people see the Solar System then call it a Galaxy

[restive river]

I blame the education system

[fast dew]

The American education system. is. Bad

[rigid compass]

Ye no players wants glip glorp Grey boy

[restive river]

It is such an immense pet peeve for me personally, a show I liked had the smartest character who has been to and knows about space call the solar system a galaxy

[fast dew]

Like man I might have only gotten 6 years of formal schooling but its never been that bad

[rigid compass]

Since when do sentients wanna be human

[fast dew]

They wish to be perfect

[restive river]

Old Peace
It comes up a good bit

[fast dew]

And their only known example of perfect is

Humans

[pale cedar]

They don’t want to be literally human it’s more emotionally human

[restive river]

Itzam believed in humans and sentients becoming one iirc

Which hey that’s whats happening to us, we’re amalgams now

The plot is literally echoing that tweet lol

[pale cedar]

Warfame become human

[rigid compass]

Purpose this purpose that. Is that all u gonna say? Like bro they would come up with a purpose like how would u know what they gonna do for anything. Im not saying they should add em for the sake of it. Before whispers (kinda still now) I would say what purpose does time travel have

[fast dew]

Pretty much!

[fast dew]

Temporal manipulation was introduced before whispers btw

[restive river]

What purpose would they serve considering the guideline they have established.
What do aliens bring to the table for exploring the evolution of human evolution/technology beyond pointless comparison?

[restive river]

(Lua spy vaults)

[fast dew]

[restive river]

Also ofc the entirety of the deadlock protocol and Protea

[fast dew]

Mhm

Which we know directly comes from entrati tech

Temporal manipulation was far even for them

[pale cedar]

Parvos said Albrecht violated time

[restive river]

I’m certain that if DE ever does add aliens they will work it into the narrative as best they can, but presently the narrative does not work for that and I doubt it will for a good while

[fast dew]

Notably he said the entrati as a whole

[pale cedar]

I think he was talking about Albrecht

I don’t see how the others could’ve

[fast dew]

Mother is aware and did studies on it

[Palimpsest of Spacetime]

[restive river]

To have them just exist or be an enemy faction just because is
Nothing
Warframe prides itself on it’s worldbuilding, so why do they exist narratively, what do they do for the narrative, why are they attacking us if they are, etc etc etc
What purpose would they serve, ofc only DE knows that but we can still discuss what purpose would they actually serve

[pale cedar]

There’s doing research then there’s actually violating it

[fast dew]

Which is Albrecht but its a thing to note regardless

[pale cedar]

Albrecht is the only one to actually violate time

Unless Parvos also sees research on it as a violation

[restive river]

Protea

Protea is a violation on time

[pale cedar]

Parvos violated them

Actually didn’t Kaya say Albrecht had research on Protea or something

[restive river]

Not in KIM

Checking for Protea specific

[pale cedar]

Could’ve sworn it’s mentioned somewhere

[restive river]

KOLTrial_5115: Could you explain the mechanics of ‘Protea’? I dug up some of her blueprint details and need confirmation. (KayaRank2Convo3 • Flowchart • Kimulacrum)
Drifter: Protea? She's complicated. (KayaRank2Convo3 • Flowchart • Kimulacrum)
Drifter: He is responsible for a lot. Too much to list, but Protea is one of them. (KayaRank2Convo3 • Flowchart • Kimulacrum)
KOLTrial_5115: Protea, details. Like is there a me of her? You know like a half-baked freak? (KayaRank2Convo3 • Flowchart • Kimulacrum)
Drifter: Protea the Warframe that we know of. (KayaRank2Convo3 • Flowchart • Kimulacrum)
KOLTrial_5115: Hm. Well let's assume Protea has the most advanced Temporal grasp of all of these creations (KayaRank2Convo3 • Flowchart • Kimulacrum)
KOLTrial_5115: So, back to the books for me! Something about Protea... hm. (KayaRank2Convo3

These are the 2 for “Parvos”

Drifter: Oh, maybe like 'The Sisters of Parvos'? (KayaRank2Convo1 • Flowchart • Kimulacrum)
Drifter: Whoever she was, what she is now is someone that served Parvos Granum. (KayaRank2Convo3

[woven coyote]

isnt it protea prime trailer ?

ballas says it cant be done and parvos responds that entrati has violated time or smth

[restive river]

Ballas: "At last, esteemed Parvos. Tell me what you desire, and we shall furnish you."

Parvos Granum: "My desire is well known to you. Assemble what I have designed, and I shall be on my way."

Ballas: "Potent weaponry, exquisite anatomy… those are trivial. But temporal manipulation? Even the Entrati—"

Parvos Granum: "The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them!"

Ballas: "What shall we name her, then, this child of two fathers?"

Parvos Granum: "Protea."

[fast dew]

-# ha child of two fathers

[restive river]

She has two dads!
Both evil!

[pale cedar]

She only has 1 now

[rigid compass]

Yes but not relevant to the story and ik the void has weird time stuff but whispers makes it part of the story

[fast dew]

"My Desire is well known to you." Okay Parvos

[pale cedar]

The blue father is dead

Ballas also went to get the milk then never returned

[fast dew]

And thats bad because....? I can list a lot of things like that, that turn into the story. And whispers doesnt focus on time travel. It focuses on the labs.

Even 1999 doesnt really focus on time travel

Its more a feature than an actual focused part of the story

[rigid compass]

The arc involves time travel

[fast dew]

Yes

Its a feature. Not a story focus.

[rigid compass]

U clearly dont understand my point so im not wasting my time argueing with u

[pale cedar]

I thought you like arguing

[rigid compass]

Half of what albrecht is relevant for is his time shenanigans

[rigid compass]

Only with thomas

[pale cedar]

What makes Thomas special enough for you to like arguing

Has he got some special juice or something

[celest needle]

Worm came from the aether to argue with Thomas whenevr 😭

[restive river]

It’s all still part of the story
It’s called worldbuilding lol

[rigid compass]

What im saying about time travel though is that before it wouldve been something that was there and fine cause void time stuff. But I wouldve hated the idea of it being important to the story and the time travel in the story is more controlled than the like volatileness of Lua spy time travel and wtv protea does

[restive river]

Then explain to me what your point is.

[rigid compass]

Aliens are already part of the story so cope

[rigid compass]

SHUSH

Dont respond to that ragebait yet

[restive river]

As flowers
That got immediately killed off
And aren’t sapient nor are the popular design.

[rigid compass]

Told u not to respond bro im typing

[restive river]

Don’t care

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/peppa-pig-meme-peppa-pig-sigma-face-george-pig-pig-gif-5140080418325330501

[fast dew]

It happens in lorechat like once a month, sometimes someone comes in and sets the whole thing on fire

[pale cedar]

When DE said Alien rule they called it both an early guideline which can change and they weren’t talking about alien flowers they meant humanoid aliens

[restive river]

Yes good
Have more time to think of what your point actually was

[celest needle]

I mean

Venus doesn't have mushrooms yet

[this supports your point]

[pale cedar]

It does

They’re beneath the surface

[fast dew]

Anyways its too early for this tomfoolery, im gonna go draw doomguy in a maid dress and try to make the dress actually what folk want out of maid dresses, not.

A regular calf length dress

[restive river]

Lmao

[fast dew]

its my one weakness

Can't make neat dresses

Shit gotta be long

[rigid compass]

You say "purpose would they serve", "they would be generic and there for the sake of being there". Thats not what im saying. Im not saying DE should add star trek aliens or chewbacca, im saying that they could add them in a way that fits into the story when they get there. They've already broken the rule by adding aliens. Im merely saying they could add more NON GENERIC, story RELEVANT, unique aliens

[celest needle]

The surface is scorching and has no water to sustain any life [as of now]

[pale cedar]

How to beat Thomas
Challenge him to draw a dress

[rigid compass]

Is this the same drawing or are u always drawing a new doom maid 😭

[pale cedar]

Thomas is a Doom maid

[rigid compass]

No the doom maid is thomas

[fast dew]

No im a doom bunny

[fast dew]

I draw 3 to 4 drafts before I actually make the final

[pale cedar]

Thomas I dare you to wear the doom helm

[rigid compass]

One version of u is a doom maid and the other is doom bunny. (Eternalism)

[fast dew]

No, try and get me to draw a skinny dude. I genuinely cannot do it

Its just men too

I can draw skinny women, muscular women, chubby women ect

But like

[pale cedar]

Oh so you’re Liger 2.0?

[fast dew]

Skinny man? Genuinely impossible

[fast dew]

Liger is cooler

[rigid compass]

Notice how ducky was quiet while consulting orokinarchives

[celest needle]

General skinny man or like, malnurished?

[restive river]

So we’re in agreement then
Because I said I can maybe see them adding aliens way way later beyond the current story
I think they’d do it well but I can’t see it fitting into anything right nor nor the general themes of the game

[fast dew]

I can do malnourished, but not regular twink skinny

My aversion to twinks is showing

[pale cedar]

Liger is cooler while doing it but he still made Albrecht fat for him not to be fat in the quest

[fast dew]

I WANT CHUBBY ALBRECHT

[restive river]

I was reading other messages lol
We aren’t talking lore we’re talking narrative dude, no need for the archives atm

[fast dew]

G8VE ME HIM I WANT TO SEE BLUEBRECHT

[pale cedar]

Then build a Time Machine to Orokin Era

[restive river]

Big shocker
I have other things I look at lol

[fast dew]

Rebb please rebb please rebb please rebb please

[restive river]

He’s only ever been on the skinnier side to me
Dad bod maybe in that one portrait

[fast dew]

Smh ducky was looking at my incapability to draw skinny dudes/j

[pale cedar]

He’s fat in the comic

[fast dew]

No he aint, he just

Has giant yaoi shoulders

[restive river]

Oh that’s why you want it!

[fast dew]

Yeah so I can avoid drawing muscular Albrecht because i do not see him like that either

[pale cedar]

Thomas if you can’t draw skinny what does your Loid art look like?

[fast dew]

How

How do. Hip bones work on men

[fast dew]

You dont see loid without his clothes very often but i make him. Lean muscular

Muscles have to be there i haven't a clue why

[rigid compass]

Yeah pretty much ig. I could see them using tau quest as a finisher to the void war saga either we beat/restrain wally or it goes to tau saga with us continuing finding a way to beat wally in tau. It could be a setup for aliens (hinting at them but continued in a few years) too which could be explored after we done with wally.

[fast dew]

But also Loid is kinda real for liking dadbod Albrecht

[rigid compass]

Dad bod? Bro does not have a dad bod

Bro has no gut that is not a dad bod

[pale cedar]

He does in the portrait

[rigid compass]

Send it

[rigid compass]

No wonder wally wants to kill him. Id be mad if the first body i get to copy has that big ahh forehead

Also we can all agree that albrecht went to 2016 and played watch dogs and copied Aiden's fit

[fast dew]

Haha

2016..... 2016 you say.....

[rigid compass]

Sonion

[restive river]

Well we do know that the tau arc will be the biggest one yet so I kinda doubt aliens beyond maybe bringing the Xenoflora back on the off chance it survived
I think my core issue right now is I don’t see aliens fitting into the narrative at all nor am I seeing why’d they would be a thing
The Xenoflora had a purpose and promptly died off
But what of new aliens?
I know ofc it’s more so DE’s job to figure that out but I’m asking more so as an open discussion, if they had aliens what purpose do they have in the world and story?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-walter-white-fall-gif-21082245

Blocked 💔

Me when low blood pressure

[rigid compass]

Alien proto baddies

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-evil-gif-13555338817028109368

[restive river]

If you want weird baddies then look at normal frames lol

[fast dew]

Qorvex..

[rigid compass]

But alien baddies

[restive river]

Mass effect
Also
That’d just be star trek LOL

[rigid compass]

No but DE alien baddies

[restive river]

I’m assuming you’re more so joking but like
Genuinely
Open discussion
Hypothetical aliens are added, what purpose do they serve in the story?

[rigid compass]

Also no star trek sucks

[rigid compass]

Whos joking son? Thought yall liked protos 💔

Okay yeah I think ur losing the point again

The purpose is up to DE. The should they is what we talking about

Now obviously integrating em to the story would be hard and it would be a whole new thing wheras the current things have been around since the beginning

But its moreso about what will happen after we cook wally

Does warframe end?

Are there no new quests?

Do we finally get more leverians?

Does it deescalate from fighting the 3 main faction to the ancient sentient threat to revenge on Ballas to resolving our deal with wally to actually killing the grineer and corpus

As good as wally is and how important he is

I feel like he was better when he was more unknown

And I feel like most of wallys charm will be gone the more we learn like with slenderman

[pale cedar]

Since when is Doomguy helmetless

[rigid compass]

Since he took it off

[fast dew]

Happens like 3 times

Not very often

Only 2 we see his face in

[fast dew]

That is what happened prior to that snippet

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-black-guys-two-black-guys-apple-apple-laptop-gif-3090298217787114336

[fast dew]

The other time the helmet was taken off of him and then he was subsequently hit with it

[pale cedar]

Surely he tanked the damage of getting hit with it

[fast dew]

Uh

No not

Not really

He lowkey passed out

Shout out ahzrak

[pale cedar]

Wouldn’t expect anyone to be able to knock him out

[fast dew]

I mean yeah he isnt really that. Impervious to harm without the armour

The health and armour hud elements are relating to the health and armour of the. Armour.

[pale cedar]

At least it isn’t as dumb as people kidnapping him then leaving his armour in the next room

[fast dew]

Nah that was the UAC

They moved it there

[pale cedar]

Samuel saved Doomguy?

[celest needle]

Why do people keep trying to compare Spartans and DG 🥀

[pale cedar]

People do?

[fast dew]

Yeah he does that, Samuel likes to use doomguy

[pale cedar]

Doomguy would legit destroy the Spartans

[fast dew]

Because they see super human strength and green armour and assume they're the same

Unfortunately he would. Unless one is a primeval randomly

[pale cedar]

How long has Doomguy even been Doomguy

[fast dew]

Depends on what you mean

Well

In any sense the answer would be the same

Eons.

[pale cedar]

If we’re talking nudoom he’s definitely been doing it before the game right

[fast dew]

Before 2016? Yeah TDA is set prior to 2016. But. Yeah. A long long time

[pale cedar]

I feel Doomguy legit just has more battle experience than Spartans

[dusk temple]

Man, even an Astartes could beat a Spartan.

[pale cedar]

Who do you think is Older Operator or Doomguy

[fast dew]

Uhh

[dusk temple]

Probably DG

[fast dew]

Doomguy

Again, fought in hell for eons

Time might pass differently in hell to be entirely fair

[ocean geyser]

Do you think he would tweak out if he saw Uriel

[pale cedar]

No

[fast dew]

Depends if Uriel attacked someone

Because doomguy has spared a demon before

[dusk temple]

Yeah, depends on what hes doing

[pale cedar]

Doomguy has fought Uriel

[ocean geyser]

Woah?

[fast dew]

The Wretch. The Wretch made his 2016 armour

[ocean geyser]

Lmao a year ago the sentiment was “kills any and all demons”

[pale cedar]

I remember telling Thomas there’s a unit that legit looks like Uriel

[ocean geyser]

Although that’s probably because doom players don’t pay attention to his lore

[fast dew]

-# We're hopefully seeing them in TDA's dlc

[pale cedar]

What’s the name Thomas

[fast dew]

Its been there since 2016, folk just dont read

[fast dew]

Maykr drones look like. The short little dude

They aint demons but close enough

[ocean geyser]

They look kinda demonish without their armour

And also when whatever the hell the Transfiguration is happens

[pale cedar]

Is Samuel Hayden meant to be a Lucifer parallel

[fast dew]

Its not armour, maykrs are just machines, transfiguration is the process of "ascension" [death], which turns their metal body to flesh

[fast dew]

Yes :)

[fast dew]

They look kinda similar

Also shout out the maykrs for not having an actual gender

[celest needle]

To be fair they are powered by god magic

spartans are just drugs, armor, and cybernetics

[dusk temple]

Your standard Space Marine isn't powered by The Emperor's power

Thats like, Chaplains and Psykers mostly

[celest needle]

The primarchs are NOT human in the slighest 😭

No amount of soft sci fi can make a guy that tall

[dusk temple]

I said Astartes, not Primarch

[fast dew]

Wonder if the emperor would be seen as a primeval...

[celest needle]

They get their geneseed from primarchs

[dusk temple]

If it were a Primarch the Spartan would be a red smear in seconds

[fast dew]

No the. Chaos gods would be closer. Hrmn..

Quick question can two chaos gods exist in one realm/plane

Sick so they're lesser gods

In. Terms of doom

I hate power scaling why am I doing this

[dusk temple]

Yeah, we aren't even talking about what could be in the Deep Warp though. So there's some mean stuff down there because even the Old Four get real polite when venturing near that place.

[fast dew]

True. Warp is an unknown quantity

[celest needle]

Can there be one match up a spartan can win I love the dudes, please let them have a win

They get curb stomped by everyone but Helldivers which are the bottom of the barrel in terms of sci fi elite soldiers

[dusk temple]

The Old Four are like scaled down versions of Wally in essence.

Outside of Slaanesh's birth I don't think there has been any other recorded incident of one of the Old Four being outside of the warp.

Aside from probably on the Vengeful Spirit during the Seige of Terra

[ocean geyser]

Ohhh

[dusk temple]

They could probably beat the T'au

[fast dew]

If it helps the ARC in eternal would love the Spartans, they probably would've prevented the fall of Samuel hayden

They can kill demons well enough

Unsure if they're as good as

Samuel with the demonic crucible but yk

[dusk temple]

The T'au are kind of just more mechsuit reliant versions of The Covenant. But avoiding the plasma weaponry would be the issue. Because that stuff can even melt through Astartes battle plate.

[twin wigeon]

Tau is in sight.

[celest needle]

The Tau Railguns can blow a hole clean into a dreadnought and deploy battlesuits on the regular, unless its in CQB they are screwed, even with Spartan IV's and how they they can go, battlesuits can go just as fast.

[dusk temple]

I just thought of how the 40k T'au empire would do in the Tau system. And it would be nightmairsh for them.

[dusk temple]

If the spartans can get close, its a relatively easy fight. The T'au suck at melee. Until Farsight or someone shows up.

[celest needle]

Two of the covenant frontline races can open up a person like a watermelon and grape respectively,

[dusk temple]

Thats very true.

[celest needle]

The Tau do not have that viability

But they do have the firepower

[dusk temple]

Which is why the UNSC and Spartans would have a chance if they could close the distance.

Closing the distance would be the issue though

[restive river]

I return
Wassup

[celest needle]

the sky

[restive river]

Cause of the baddies comment lol
I like protos but I thought you were being silly lol

[restive river]

Dude, I know it’s up to DE ultimately but that doesn’t mean we can’t talk about it lol

I’m not trying to shoot down the possibility of it never happening, I’m attempting to have a discussion on how it may work lol

[restive river]

Reminded me of this line

Hunhow: "I know where she hides the Tenno heart. A womb in the sky, forbidden to my kind, but where you will take me."

[celest needle]

womb in the sky

the mucking void

[fast dew]

Womb in the sky was probably lua lol

[restive river]

Lua

The “womb” is Lua, the reservoir
The “sky” is the void

[turbid kestrel]

Tau = unending ptsd for the operator

“For you my child, the nightmares.”

“And for you my champion, big booty Latinas.”

why are we here, just to suffer…

Indifference took Lotus’s soul, no wonder she sends the operator into their trauma induced past, because the lotus lost her differentiation of Healthy and unhealthy

[twin wigeon]

Operator is tough like that

[restive river]

It does sound like Drifter will also be going to Tau sooo

[restive river]

It didn’t take her soul, what 😭

[ocean geyser]

It’s definitely trying, but it hasn’t already done that

[twin wigeon]

Drifter died a lot, they deserve better

[restive river]

She sent Operator to dig into those memories because we need to find Albrecht

[restive river]

Both of them deserved better

[twin wigeon]

Operator has been protecting the origin system, they can tough it out

[ocean geyser]

And also so Wally doesn’t start screwing w em

[restive river]

In terms of prior trauma they both had it equally rough
In terms of current trauma, Drifter’s living it up

[restive river]

It was likely partially to protect them cause
1999 did in fact have Wally as it was following Albrecht

Between the two options? really messed up exposure therapy was probably the better option for the Operator

[ocean geyser]

“w em” being specifically the memories
Cause she does say that iirc
But yeah i guess it works in both ways

[restive river]

It’s something they needed to tackle eventually and later isn’t an option

[restive river]

Iirc it was something about him taking them?
I’ll try to find it

[ocean geyser]

The only suspicious bit is the “not yet”

[ocean geyser]

Twisting them into something worse than what they already were

Like Wally could have easily changed those memories to make it seem like Adis hated the Operator or something

Therefore poisoning our memories of the friendship

[restive river]

Just lookin through lines
Lotus is having us relive these memories for a reason
Lotus: "All our people were betrayed in the Old War. The more we remember, the better our chance of a new peace."

[restive river]

I don’t think he’s altering anything?

[restive river]

He was unhappy with us because we killed the dactolyst
Because its war

[ocean geyser]

He didn’t
Im saying he would

[restive river]

Lotus: "The Indifference lurks where you dare not look - the hidden past. Relive your battles on Tau and banish the ghosts that haunt you. The Hunhullus awaits."

Lotus: "Reclaim your memories from the Indifference. You have only twelve minutes to confront your past battles. After that... the truth must be faced."

Lotus: "Tenno, defy the Indifference and awaken your memories of the Perita Rebellion. You have only 12 minutes before the memory of the Hunhullus itself will arise to drag you under."

This is all about defying the indifference by going to therapy lol

Lotus: "Your memories were erased out of mercy, but if they are not recovered the Indifference will corrupt them. Descend into the hell that was the Perita Rebellion, and remember how even Warframes were turned against you."

Lotus: "Teshin began the recovery of your past. Now you must go further, no matter the cost. Remembering will be dangerous, but forgetting risks the loss of everything."

[ocean geyser]

That’s not what im saying

[restive river]

Lotus: "The Indifference lies. It wants you to doubt yourself. But you have triumphed today."

[ocean geyser]

Im giving an example of what Wally could have done to them

[restive river]

He could have twisted them if we didn’t relive them and also didn’t continually relive our other memories of the war

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[restive river]

We must know what’s real so he can’t use it against us and therapize

[ocean geyser]

Yea
Twas my point

[restive river]

In terms of y’know
Our own past and history

Yee

[ocean geyser]

We have lore’d successfully :D

[restive river]

I do hope that if he does make an attempt to maybe twist a happy memory, like a good moment we had with Adis that we will know it’s false

Like
He gets the upper hand or is winning so he or is about to so he torments both Drifter and Operator’s minds
Drifter faces something with Duviri or the Hex maybe
Operator deals with false memories of Adis, him saying he doesn’t care about us, etc etc and we fight back

[ocean geyser]

The fabled “i call bs” moment
Glorious

[restive river]

Wally tries to ragebait us but we know whats real cause we went to ✨therapy✨

[sand lion]

truly the strongest weapon in the origin system is therapy

[restive river]

And empathy!

[twin wigeon]

-# and yaoi

[restive river]

-# and yuri

[turbid kestrel]

BS, evil will always exist, one form or another

If there was peace there’d be a utopian future where peace was achieved

[restive river]

A new peace with
The sentients

[restive river]

I mean peace can be a thing without it lasting forever and always lol

The universe is a crazy ride, it’s always going to be, entropy will take everything apart in the end
But a hypothetical peace with the sentients? That’s potentially doable

Their main enemy, the Orokin are gone
Their main threat, us want to be friends
The only enemy and threats that are left are not a problem
Except for Wally

[rigid compass]

All roads lead to freak

We need sentient baddies

Lotus doesnt count cause she just a human mimic

Her natah form lowkey mid

Not freak enough

[tall echo]

erra

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1496932954759499846/image0.gif

[celest needle]

Not my fault DE makes every protoframe have [ATTRACTIVE] appeal

Every protoframe

[dusk temple]

Gotta sell somehow

Would you buy a protoframe skin you don’t find visually appealing?

[uncut oyster]

For the meme.

[restive river]

I might if I like their personality lol

That’s kinda where I sit with Lyon
I like him, not so much how he looks but if I’m playing Harrow I’m bringing him along

[fast dew]

Hes also scared of vehicles and gets motion sickness and thats cute to me

I'm sorry lyon but you gotta get on the archwing

[unique talon]

In lore the sentients were, apparently, the most advanced technology/machines ever built by the orokin. Thy technology who decided to turn against their own creators, do you guys think we're traveling to that path with AI?

[uncut oyster]

That's deep

[restive river]

It’s really funny lol

Sorry Lyon
Bike time

[feral cape]

At the current standing no? No "ai" right not is effectively just a probability machine

It cant actually think it just strings together words based on math

[fast dew]

Poor lyon we just torture him

[restive river]

I dont play Harrow near enough to torture him

[rigid compass]

Only if we enslave em. Thats why we gotta freak, and lowkey Crack em

Also like mediocre said rn ai is a just a text predictor with the internet as training

[celest needle]

I play every frame that does not have a proto 😭

and I bought every gemini skin

[dusk temple]

The Abominable Intelligence will hopefully fail and fall soon. Otherwise things will be getting much more dystopian for everyone.

[rigid compass]

Sonion do u not understand. We dont have any actual ai rn

[dusk temple]

But if it keeps developing then we will

[rigid compass]

But ye its gonna pop

[dusk temple]

And that’s the issue

[rigid compass]

No, llms (chatgpt, Gemini, Claude, etc) will never reach that point due to the nature of them. Sure u could have them get better and replace some easy jobs but they will never revolt or anything

Like sure they could come out with something called chatgpt thats actual ai but its not really chatgpt

They are not sentient

[dusk temple]

I’m more concerned about them being used for mass surveillance not a full scale Terminator rebellion :/

[rigid compass]

Government can already see ur search history and everything without it bro

[dusk temple]

True, but I’m already aware of that. And it’s the stuff I’m not aware of that freaks me out.

[rigid compass]

Dam conspiracy theorists

Chill vro nothings gonna happen

[fast dew]

Its already happening lmao

Security is a genuine risk with these things

[rigid compass]

Lowkirk just wait for the boomers, gen x, and millennial to die, and elect thomas as president of the United nations of America (Trump annexed Mexico and canada)

[fast dew]

Please never call me American again.

[rigid compass]

Good thing I barely use em

[rigid compass]

We took Australia too

Honorary American cause ur on par with Florida man

[fast dew]

Dear god you are insufferable.

[rigid compass]

Ur telling me u dont wake up and eat ostrich eggs then ride ur emu to work?

[scenic oar]

Australia and America are part of the warframe lore?

[rigid compass]

Yes

[dusk temple]

Velimir is American

[scenic oar]

Since when ? Warframe universe is just alternate earth no? There is no real life setting ?

[humble sierra]

"Libertatian"

[rigid compass]

No

Its future earth

[humble sierra]

USA is USL

[humble sierra]

The history is different too

[celest needle]

is Aussie appropiate?

[humble sierra]

Genghis Khan is the Radiant Khanum (female) I think

[scenic oar]

Ya, so just different name that mirror real life stuff

[fast dew]

Close enough

[rigid compass]

No warframe is canonically a game in its own universe which is why albrecht didnt go past 1999👀

[fast dew]

Id just rather be called a slur than be called American

Not a fan of America

[humble sierra]

There's a game called WarSector, not Warframe

[restive river]

War sector is more like the og dark sector idea

[ashen pulsar]

...

[humble sierra]

Digital extremes is also pro-AI in the game universe, and everyone got eaten as a result

[ashen pulsar]

america is NOT that bad bro
and im not even american

but the govt is

[celest needle]

state dependent

[woven coyote]

Honestly same

[fast dew]

I don't think you understand how badly Australians hate America

[dusk temple]

America is hitting a rough point. That’s for sure.

[fast dew]

We hate tourists in general but Americans are the worst

[ashen pulsar]

yeah, maybe

[scenic oar]

Every famous or standout countries are just as bad

[dusk temple]

Anyways
Back to our regularly scheduled Warframe lore

[restive river]

Y’all think we’ll get anything on the radiation wars this year?

[ashen pulsar]

nah

[restive river]

It’s def more tau this year but I wonder if we’ll get a mention

[dusk temple]

Nah, we aren’t spending as much time in 1999 anymore

[restive river]

We didn’t find out about those through 1999 tho

there was 18 of them

[dusk temple]

We might get a one-off thing for Albrecht if we catch him.

[humble sierra]

I don't think you understand how much Americans hate America

[ashen pulsar]

we're kinda heading forward now tho

[scenic oar]

Yes plz, more Rusalka plzz

[restive river]

Waaaay forward

[restive river]

Radiation war does not mean Rusalka
If anything more void war means more Rusalka

[humble sierra]

She seems to be Wally's vessel in the "now" era

[dusk temple]

I forgot all of those were post Höllvania

[fast dew]

Oh I understand that one, America sucks

[scenic oar]

I still coping or looking forward to a frame that dedicated to Rusalkaaaa

[restive river]

Mhm

[humble sierra]

So she's probably going to show up for the Tau arc

[restive river]

That’d be her mom.

[fast dew]

Oh yeah shout out to us. Not seeing Albrecht once all of last year

Heard him but thats it 😭

[restive river]

We got Loid tho
Better uncle

Loid has a higher chance of being a character who won’t die
We may have Loid forever

[ashen pulsar]

as a canadian that lives in america
there is this huge "america hate train" that people tend to get on that makes it seem like america is genuinely a horrible place to live
aside from the current admin, america is a pretty good country to live in, people just tend to highlight the bad sides more than they do for other countries

[fast dew]

Nah hes the step grandfather who gives us sweets from the jar

[ashen pulsar]

and im not saying america hasnt done terrible things with their influence
just that america gets too much of the focus

[fast dew]

Im basing my dislike from personal experience tbh

[ashen pulsar]

american tourists?

[humble sierra]

Speak for yourself

[fast dew]

The Americans online are. Far less destructive than the ones I've had to deal with

[restive river]

Steve?!

[humble sierra]

Him too ig

[celest needle]

not real obuls 😔

[restive river]

:O

[fast dew]

Tourists. Working in retail. Working at a aviary where Americans like to see native animals

[restive river]

And with Thomas meeting Rebb
Damn

[fast dew]

Dealing with the animals hurt by American tourists

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153013372820934716/1482519987146064106/meme.gif

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-gif-4144358189127712325

[restive river]

I love that you have these as gifs

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153013372820934716/1484775861017378847/meme.gif

[fast dew]

Well I saw the lotus so bleh >:p
-# ignore that you were here too

[restive river]

SAME WALL

[fast dew]

Wait wait where's my short ass photo of the puppy

[restive river]

Which arcane is that

[ashen pulsar]

aegis

[humble sierra]

I poorly photoshopped myself in, totally

[humble sierra]

Truth bloom

[ashen pulsar]

for when people say kinetic plating is better

[celest needle]

-# Seeing peoples real faces is weird
-# wdym ya'll aren't internet people 😭

[restive river]

Lmao

[ashen pulsar]

or "gauss doesnt have a subsume slot"

[fast dew]

💔

[ashen pulsar]

or "shield gating sucks" on a frame that can lazy gate

[fast dew]

True... I get funny with the voices

^ shit lyon would say

[restive river]

Is that the actual drifter they have or is that a cosplay

[woven coyote]

Arcane rebb
+100% stacking chance of ridiculousness when rebb is left unsupervised per hour

[restive river]

Cause I’ve been wanting to know Drifter’s height-

[fast dew]

Cosplay!

[ashen pulsar]

this is my face, actually
my pfp is a selfie

[restive river]

Dang
That’s an amazing cosplay

[fast dew]

They did a super good job

[restive river]

Love that

[fast dew]

Its mostly super affordable materials from what I saw

Lotta denim

[dusk temple]

I wish I could do cosplay, problems of being broke asf

[fast dew]

real

Me when im gonna use my mates 3d printer for shit

[celest needle]

Oh man I'd like to get into cosplay
Looks inside
99% white characters that look weird race swapped

[restive river]

I must know how tall

https://youtu.be/t3sDVlbSVZk?si=9Qiuv0R5Viiy4Qg9

[fast dew]

-# that happens a lot it gets annoying but dont worry most cosplayers do not care

Most. There's some assholes who do

[dusk temple]

Oh I had a 3d printer, then it died. So I’m saving for a new one and when I nab it I’m gonna be printing my self up a storm. Astartes ceramite plate, probably a Grendel and/or Gauss cosplay. I got plans.

[fast dew]

Not a fan of people hating on cosplays in general unless its literally changing the design for the sake of an offensive caricature

[dusk temple]

Yeah.

[celest needle]

Some but those some can be vicious about it

[fast dew]

Or.

Someone dressing up as a literal nazi. Thats happened a few times

[humble sierra]

The drifter was a person in cosplay so it's probably not the same height as the statue by Hoku Props

God I have an unfortunate stance

[dusk temple]

I think that’s a definite problem with people who do Warhammer cosplays but don’t know Warhammer. They see facist nazi-like characters and government and then don’t look further.

And it creates a really bad situation for the world of 40K when people do that

[fast dew]

Im very lucky that the things I want to cosplay are typically not human so I don't need to worry about.. getting murdered for it
-# I also have the experience of being white passing cuz of. Whuh oh genocide so its less likely for me to. Get ganked for it

[humble sierra]

Nuance is lowkey dead, people unironically think the Helldivers are the good guys and not satire on jingoism

[fast dew]

I. Am generally suspicious of most warhammer fans in general, but certain factions i am. More stressed around than others
-# black templar i see you

I am generally worried about being in [cis] men dominated spaces in general but like. You can tell when they're gonna be weird about it

Half the games I enjoy are in that category and it sucks

Preparing to loose braincells as someone tries to mansplain doom lore to me
-# and subsequently get a laughable amount wrong

[dusk temple]

I like the Black Templars, but only for their “screw the codex I do what I want” attitude, nothing else. Honestly, as vanilla as it is I like the Ultramarines, Salamanders, and Blood Angels the best. But if we’re talking Crusade-era, it’s the Luna Wolves and the Emperor’s Children for me. The Space Wolves are cool, but they’re not my favorite.

[fast dew]

Nooooooo see they're good guys!!!
-# ignore that they take freshly 18 year olds and force them into a war they most certainly will die in

[dusk temple]

Also Sigismund. Sigismund was a baller character.

[fast dew]

Im more experienced with the Adeptus Mechanicus and its very divided there, from experience. You'll get one side who are. Media literacy gods and then you get the others who just go machine cool and not look past why mechanicus is really messed up 😭

Like man

Its just a cult

Its cool but like. They are just a cult

[dusk temple]

Yeah. I’m working my way through the Horus Heresy books and everyone is screwed up

But screw the Word Bearers and Dark Admech in particular

[fast dew]

Everything is evil and thats okay

Ive been meaning to actually scrounge around for the classic doom books actually, I have digital copies of them but like. Mm. Old book smell

Still weird to me the name Flynn Taggart is familiar to people who've never touched those books

[dusk temple]

I was going through Primarch quotes for a project, making some plaques to paint and such. And I could find some pretty decent and inspiring stuff for everyone but Konrad Curze and one or two others.

[fast dew]

Ooouh no I hate finding random quotes for art shit it SUCKS

Shit blows so bad

[dusk temple]

I’ve got quotes for all 18 legiones Astartes and then one from the emperor himself and another for the Custodes

Debating on if I do another for the Admech

[dark compass]

Lore...

[celest needle]

Erol....

Doing the Stalkers sections is going to be so awkward now. VA's been compromised and it hurts 😭

[dark compass]

"better to shit in the sink than sink in the shit"
-Kurze probably

[dark compass]

Wdym

[dusk temple]

That sounds like a Curze thing to say…

[celest needle]

Gianni, voice of the stalker,

Indie Game he voiced in got hit with a hundred-page document by its former composer, accusing the game's owner of horrible personal and workplace abuse allegations. He instantly quit the project with the news, and the game's owner almost died thanks to the hate. The game he worked on is basically dead, and later it came out that the doc was manipulated, cropped, and turned to their favor against the owner, and they refuse to acknowledge the allegations. Despite the allegations, Gianni still supports the accuser and refuses walk back on his stance or review the evidence

[lean garden]

not entirely sure how or why that constitutes as "compromised"

[celest needle]

'compromised' might not be the right word. What I mean is controversial thanks to it

[dark compass]

What game is it about?

https://tenor.com/view/american-dad-roger-smith-clown-its-roger-its-roger-isnt-it-gif-17783426852378864017

It's roblox, it's always roblox

[ashen pulsar]

idk anything about that but

is he gabriel?

[lean garden]

yes

[covert falcon]

Hey I have a lore question.

If we aren't the only Tenno why did us getting stabbed completely bone the universe

[pale cedar]

With tons of Murexes in the sky it would’ve forced Tenno to go into hiding

[covert falcon]

Sure, but the catalyzing moment was our main tenno getting taken out and there were supposedly PLENTY more sitting around

And they only show back up when we do?

Feels odd

[pale cedar]

It’s more of a not everything is visibly shown as it mainly focuses on us

[covert falcon]

That would be fair if they showed it non-visually in some way

It isn't even really narratively discussed

[pale cedar]

It wouldn’t have just been us as we see a disabled Rhino

We were all severely disabled from doing Tenno things

Orphix fields

We wouldn’t have access to Warframes just the less effective Mechs

[pine thistle]

How many Tenno are there total

[pale cedar]

At least 3

We aren’t given an exact number

[pine thistle]

So at least enough to take control of the system ok

[pale cedar]

No

There is not enough Tenno to take control of the System as there’s millions of Grineer and A lot of Corpus

We’re sabotage units there to keep the factions fighting each other

[pine thistle]

The Orokin were a few thousand more than likely and ruled billions upon billions

It’s not a matter that we can’t, it’s that we won’t

[pale cedar]

Wanna know why the Orokin could do it

[pine thistle]

Why

[pale cedar]

They when taking control had 0 opposition

There was no Grineer soldiers, Corpus or Sentients at that time

And Techrot had just been nuked

And even a bit later on Grineer were slaves workforce not soldiers and Corpus was tiny by comparison

[pine thistle]

We are more powerful than them all. The reason we don’t is because we hold ourselves back. We could, if we truly wanted to, utterly genocide the Grineer and the Corpus. The Tenno could become akin to the Viltrumites of the Warframe universe if they really, truly desired to. But we are better than that, so we’re content to just play police officer and keep the system balanced.

[pale cedar]

We couldn’t

There’s more of them than us and we’d just be overwhelmed

[pine thistle]

You think Parvos or the Board could kill us? The Queens?

[pale cedar]

They could

[pine thistle]

Ballas left us a gift

The Narmer veils

[pale cedar]

We don’t have access to the Veils

And veiling people would legitimately solve nothing as it’s putting them under Narmer control

Also Parvos has directly killed Warframes before

“The palace birds think they can control us. They hit our research site with a Warframe assault team. Of course they did. I baited them to do it. The whole site lit up. Eighty mega-therm bloom. The whole lab, vaporized, those Warframes with it. Fire. Fusion. Void."

[ashen pulsar]

yeah, there are probably trillions of grineer and corpus

a warframe could kill a large army but understanding scale is important

[pale cedar]

Vor says they’re millions strong

[ashen pulsar]

...theres no way the grineer are that few

they control half of the SOLAR SYSTEM

[pale cedar]

Corpus I doubt it’s trillions cause they’re the faction that build tech over having an army of humans

[ashen pulsar]

okay, but billions

there are 8 billion people on earth rn, and earth is far from the largest planet thats been settled in wf

[pale cedar]

That number could’ve also changed considering how fast they can create new clones

Plus New War did have a time skip

[ashen pulsar]

most of the normal humans on other planets live in small colonies

theres a decent chance we have more grineer than innocent civilians

[pale cedar]

Grineer keep destroying colonies

[ashen pulsar]

tens, hundreds of billions if not trillions

[rigid compass]

Lore accurate frames son, they aura farm in response to slander

Lore accurate frames would demolish them

Why some suck buns is the tenno fault

[ashen pulsar]

lore accurate frames can be stopped too

80% of frames would die to a nuke, probably

[pale cedar]

A lore accurate frame got destroyed by a Grineer

[rigid compass]

Who? Yareli? Lol

[pale cedar]

Nova

[ashen pulsar]

adis almost killed us by squeezing lol

the tenno, not even the frame

...somehow

[pale cedar]

Lore accurate frames aren’t that different to gameplay frames

[ashen pulsar]

except for like
gauss

[pine thistle]

We also don’t know just how high the ceiling is for a Tenno. The warframes are nothing more than a conduit for our Void powers, not the end all be all of our power.

[ashen pulsar]

we arent stronger than our frames if thats what ur saying

[pine thistle]

Our power is theoretically limitless

We can draw on the Void

[pale cedar]

Nothing says that

[rigid compass]

Ye DE aint cook with that. The tenno should be essentially immortal. Cause otherwise u got a limited supply who can die to squeezing and thus tenno/warframes are useless

[pale cedar]

We only have a little bit of Wally’s power

[rigid compass]

We literally get stabbed in the chest and live

Like wheres the logic

[pale cedar]

We survived because of the loop

[rigid compass]

What loop sonion

[ashen pulsar]

the biggest tenno extinction was on perita, but that utilized certain parts of perita's odd radiation

[rigid compass]

Source?

[ashen pulsar]

history of tau arg

[pale cedar]

The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

[ashen pulsar]

orokin killed a ton of tenno because the eggs landed on a type of radiation that locks them in their frames

and they had to cover it up

[pine thistle]

Watch us end up getting an immense power-up after the Indifference is destroyed

I hope they have us draw on its full power

[ashen pulsar]

...that wouldnt make sense

[rigid compass]

It says ballas cant kill them that doesnt mean the loop saved us

[pale cedar]

It prevented us dying due to how loops work in Warframe

[rigid compass]

It didnt

If ballas cant kill us the loop saved us from not dying?

[pale cedar]

Name a single loop in Warframe that doesn’t prevent permanent death

[rigid compass]

Omg bro

Read

ballas CANT kill us. he TRAPS us in a loop

The loop traps us not saves us

[ashen pulsar]

if you die
and time loops
you arent dead

[rigid compass]

Ok wait

When does this loop start

[pale cedar]

When we enter the Void

[pine thistle]

Something needs to change eventually with regard to the system. The Tenno are the best option for that, far better than the genetically deficient Grineer and lazy and greedy Corpus

[ashen pulsar]

he likely thinks he cant kill us, so he puts us in a loop, which traps us but accidentally undoes a fatal wound
idk anymore

[rigid compass]

How is it looping?

[pine thistle]

We should have just assumed the mantle of ruler-ship when the Orokin were killed

[pale cedar]

Void

[pine thistle]

We threw away a perfect opportunity

[rigid compass]

Also if it loops that means we dont age

[pale cedar]

Correct

[rigid compass]

No like. I got a class ill talk later

[ashen pulsar]

we were kinda stuck in the moon

[pine thistle]

Because of Natah the sentient

[ashen pulsar]

because of lotus the sentient

[pale cedar]

Wasn’t it Margulis who put us to sleep?

[ashen pulsar]

without her we'd just be dead

[fast dew]

Margulis put us to sleep lotus dragged us into the void

[pale cedar]

Hey, the tech did it she just pressed a button

[ashen pulsar]

I thought second dream was lotus

[pale cedar]

I think Lotus just kept us there

Rather than put us there

[ashen pulsar]

well, didn't it start after we killed the orokin?

[pale cedar]

We could still kill the Orokin from the pods

[ashen pulsar]

hm
true

so was natah's entire time being our "mother" with the warframes alone? I doubt that

[pale cedar]

Not the whole time

[ashen pulsar]

we would have to be in the second dream the entire time lotus was there

[pale cedar]

She did let us out to blast Erra

[ashen pulsar]

right

[pale cedar]

It still could’ve been temporary

[ashen pulsar]

hm

Lotus: "The Orokin murdered Margulis. Used her work to create Transference. Your mind, projected into a surrogate strong enough to withstand your power. It felt like waking up, but it was just a lucid second dream."
...welp

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-pointing-ah-ah-he-said-it-gif-24183120

[ashen pulsar]

the thing!

waiting for 2030 when we fight wally and turn to albrecht and go "now... its time to War Frame" and start warring frame

[rigid compass]

No I think the first dream was magulis old peace and then second was lotus putting us to sleep so yes she saw tenno not just frames

[rigid compass]

Okay firstly if we loop and dont age then some of yall wrong or contradicting urself cause yall said they age
Secondly if we are looping uh how? Is it some localized loop of our bodies? Thus meaning tenno cannot change ie no aging, no damage, no fatigue? But that cant be it cause we do take damage and feel fatigue (maybe thats just mental)

If it loops shouldn't we be going back to our deal with wally? The loop shouldn't make us immortal. It should only let us respawn with knowledge of how we die and how to avoid it

[pale cedar]

When we say Tenno age we aren’t talking about the loop we’re saying Tenno in general age

[rigid compass]

Wym?

Yall said rell died due to aging plus why couldnt he live without cryostasis

[ashen pulsar]

I assumed so too but im not sure anymore

[pale cedar]

Tenno age but while trapped in the loop Operator didn’t start aging again till Drifter freed them

Rell never got either cryo or being trapped in a loop

[rigid compass]

U just said they loop all the time. What was ballas even trapping them in if they always loop and how did they get trapped

[pale cedar]

I never said they loop all the time

[rigid compass]

Omg bro so how are they immortal

[pale cedar]

I said during New War Operator when trapped didn’t till they were free

Operator isn’t someone who is looping 24/7

[rigid compass]

Im saying if ballas couldnt kill them ur wrong for saying the loop saved them.

[rigid compass]

Oh my bad u said they started looping when they entered the void and I thought u meant as in the zariman jump

But still

It didnt save em

Also how did ballas trap em

[pale cedar]

The Void did

[rigid compass]

Save or trap em?

[pale cedar]

I doubt Ballas knew what it would actually do

[rigid compass]

He seems to have known

He says u cant kill the devil but send it back to hell

[pale cedar]

He just knew it isn’t easy to get out of the Void

Void did the rest

[rigid compass]

Did what?

[pale cedar]

Trapped us

[rigid compass]

Fair ig cause no transportation unless we wanted to void sling 27377272682 km

[dusk temple]

He knew the Tenno would come back eventually, but he was hoping he could execute his plan before said time.

[rigid compass]

Is the "trapped" like being stranded on an island or like being in a prison cell

[dusk temple]

Unfortunately for him, Drifter busted out of Duviri and started breaking stuff.

[rigid compass]

Also what loop then are u talking about

[pale cedar]

He didn’t even know that probably just planned for if it did happen

Outside of Warframes Ballas isn’t very smart

[rigid compass]

People deadass gonna day anything to slander ballas

[dusk temple]

Yes.

He deserves it.

Plus it’s true.

[rigid compass]

Like yall gonna say this and turn around to just say "he's a manipulater" for how he does anything else

[pale cedar]

It’s not slander if it is true

[twin wigeon]

nah the book is right, Ballas is a dumbass outside of making warframes

[fast dew]

You can be a manipulator and be stupid lmao

[rigid compass]

Nah yall be talking bout this man like he aizen

[dusk temple]

Warframes were his crowning achievement. But they were a failure until the Tenno came along.

[twin wigeon]

he has control over the whole solar system, save for a handful of people and instead he obsesses over one person rather than solidifying his control

[fast dew]

I know from personal experience, manipulators can be dumb as shit

Hes a narcissist

He thinks he knows shit

And that makes him dumb

[rigid compass]

🪞

[fast dew]

Ha, funny.

[rigid compass]

Anyways

Anyone gonna answer me what makes tenno immortal

[twin wigeon]

not to mention, if he has control over the whole system, save for a few, WHY NOT MAKE MORE DEACONS to rat out the resistance

[rigid compass]

Nemesis saying some loop shi and contradicting himself and wtv

[fast dew]

They aint immortal just very hard to kill

[twin wigeon]

for every deacon we see there shouldve been 2-3 of them

[rigid compass]

Bro saying the loop saved the tenno from ballas despite ballas not being able to kill them

[fast dew]

Because

Of the loop

[dusk temple]

Idiot got himself stabbed by Umbra and Operator thinking he could control them.

[rigid compass]

Deacon veils are considering Holy relics in archon hunts implying theres limited supply and we dont know how they are made plus trillions of people to veil and watch with deacons so...

[twin wigeon]

what dumbass would gloat his control over a person by being next to them when they were super close to killing them

[rigid compass]

WHAT LOOP BRO

[rigid compass]

A smart dumbass

[fast dew]

Good lord

[dusk temple]

Duviri I think

[twin wigeon]

An arrogant dumbass*

[rigid compass]

how does a loop save someone if they enter it wounded

[twin wigeon]

literaally zero shame in making a tactical retreat

[rigid compass]

U can be smart and dumb

[pale cedar]

Nothing makes a Tenno immortal while temporarily trapped in a loop they couldn’t die due to circumstances rather than innate immortality

[rigid compass]

Bro

I dont think u understand

Answer my questions

Can ballas kill the tenno?

Yes or no

Its not a long answer nemesis

[pale cedar]

Yes if he wasn’t dumb

[rigid compass]

One word son

"You cant kill the devil"

Answer now

[dusk temple]

You can. If you aren’t stupid. Ballas is stupid.

[rigid compass]

Shhhhhh

[twin wigeon]

Ballas knows nothing of the tenno compared to Silvana or Margulis

[rigid compass]

Thats not a yes or no

[dusk temple]

Therefore, he cannot kill the Tenno.

[pale cedar]

Ballas deciding to throw us into the Void directly ruined his plan of getting rid of us permanently

[rigid compass]

Margulis cap bro we dont know anything about her

[fast dew]

Not one word, and we have several dead tenno

[rigid compass]

Can he

[pale cedar]

Yes

[rigid compass]

Dont say yes cause he literally says no

[twin wigeon]

Margulis and Silvana were in charge of Transference research

[dusk temple]

He’s an idiot.

[rigid compass]

I meant more like void stuff but ig

[twin wigeon]

Silvana was more on the tech, Marg was on the children themselves

[rigid compass]

Okay okay but was he gonna kill the tenno in that instance

[dusk temple]

Nope

[rigid compass]

No

[dusk temple]

He would’ve if he didn’t toss us into the void.

[rigid compass]

So what is the loop(duviri or something else) saving the tenno from? Not death? Its saving us from not death?

[pale cedar]

He wanted to throw us away instead

[twin wigeon]

ah yes stab the entirely mortal child and then let them fly into the source of their power

how very smart ballas

[rigid compass]

We dont even know if stabbing em would kill em

[dusk temple]

Yes… we do…

[twin wigeon]

we do

[pale cedar]

It was a completely separate loop to the one in Duviri and 1999

[fast dew]

We. Very much do knkw

[dusk temple]

When you stab someone through the chest with a big ass sword, that tends to kill someone.

[twin wigeon]

Thats why Stalker is all so stabby stabby during second dream

[rigid compass]

If they enter wounded how do they survive? Did bro just get stuck in a save loop

[pale cedar]

The loop heals them

[dusk temple]

We essentially got thrown into a Lazarus Pit

[rigid compass]

Ye cause we gonna take stalker and hunhows knowledge over ballas who is 100% more knowledgeable about void and tenno than them

[rigid compass]

Seems like a cop out but ight

[pale cedar]

It’s legit the begin again mechanic just without the throne

[fast dew]

We know being in the void heals the tenno what are you on

[rigid compass]

Since when bro

[dusk temple]

Since always

[fast dew]

We just likely needed more time to recuperate

[twin wigeon]

Since War Within

[rigid compass]

When was this?

[fast dew]

Go replay war within and die.

[twin wigeon]

Dying in war within, transfers you into a small pocket of void briefly

[rigid compass]

Pretty sure we dont enter the void in it?

[pale cedar]

If you die in War Within you go to the Void and back

[twin wigeon]

you just be eeping in the void and then return to your place

[pale cedar]

And another example is the fact Teshin was healed in Duviri

[dusk temple]

That’s what the loading screen is

[rigid compass]

Like gameplay? Skill issue if u die in it

[fast dew]

No, its

A literal explanation but fine

[rigid compass]

No but he was alive at the start of the loop

[pale cedar]

As Teshin puts it

“The Void can heal as well as harm”

[twin wigeon]

No after Teshin falls into duviri, Mathila heals him

[rigid compass]

Oh right I forgot he was tossed in injured

Ok

Okay but seems like plot armor for him to be healed. At least tenno is made of void

[pale cedar]

Albrecht tried using the Void to kill himself

[fast dew]

-# we think at least

[pale cedar]

With what he says it’s extremely likely

[twin wigeon]

very likely

[fast dew]

I know just clarifying its only just a theory till confirmed

[pale cedar]

He legit says pay with my own blood

[twin wigeon]

he wouldnt willingly enter the void unless he had a plan or was deeply emotional

[fast dew]

I know this guys I was the one to suggest the theory in the first place 😭

[pale cedar]

Well he had a plan and was really emotional when he first entered

[twin wigeon]

yeah and then created a CE

[fast dew]

oh

Oh i wonder if he's why his Daughter's voice reads duviri to us

[twin wigeon]

i assume thats the first time youre thinking of

[pale cedar]

Probably not

[twin wigeon]

prob not

[pale cedar]

Void probably just used her voice because she wrote the book

[twin wigeon]

Could be like an audio book seeing as the Tales of Duviri has no words

just pictures

[fast dew]

We also have

Somehow hearing the voices he made for the courtiers

[twin wigeon]

according to the copy we get at least

[dusk temple]

The Tales of Duviri was written by one of Albrecht's relatives.

[fast dew]

Not her, the voices he made

So like

[fast dew]

Yes. His daughter. I know this.

[twin wigeon]

Albs daughter, Euleria aka Mother

[dusk temple]

Ah, I wasn't sure who

[pale cedar]

Void just decided she’d be the perfect narrator

[twin wigeon]

good job void

[fast dew]

The issue comes from the fact when he enters, he recalls hearing the voices of people he made the voices to for Euleria when she was little, so like. No clue how drifter got that

[twin wigeon]

i still think the Tales are an audiobook typa thing

[fast dew]

Unless... Albrecht did what his VA does and. Did an audiobook...?

[pale cedar]

Mother for some reason got shocked about CE doing CE things

[dusk temple]

What is CE?

Oh wait, dumb question

I just got it

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786650808321048596/1505296506792444046/image2.gif

[celest needle]

Combat evolved

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1503883402871574712/image.gif

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786650808321048596/1505594248685420765/image0.gif

[pale cedar]

"I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life?"

[twin wigeon]

yoinkers

[rigid compass]

Cause, she's the narrator of the book

[rigid compass]

Back to what I was talking about

[rigid compass]

I think the tenno immortality is very unclear and I think having them to die stuff just makes no sense like unless u got hundreds of thousands of tenno why would they be easily killable

[pale cedar]

Because they’re human still

[twin wigeon]

i mean they were protected within the resevoir

[rigid compass]

Like why would a stab in the heart kill them?

[fast dew]

Because they still have a heart

[pale cedar]

We were put on ice so we would last longer

[twin wigeon]

its not like they envisoned someone would storm the resevoir to kill their child soldiers

[dusk temple]

Tenno arent beings of pure energy

[tall echo]

They are human+

[rigid compass]

Humans die to a stab in the heart. Unless void can revive corpses then how does tenno live while having the paracesis in him

[celest needle]

I don't know the Grineer and Corpus tell me otherwise

[tall echo]

That's what the void did

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/naoya-zenin-vs-maki-s3-gif-6482711430909683298

[pale cedar]

Void can revive dead people

[twin wigeon]

because they went into the void and was healed

[rigid compass]

Okay what are the limits of it then

[twin wigeon]

Void has also somewhat revived several people

albeit with some corruption

[fast dew]

We don't know its the void it doesnt have a limit we know yet

[rigid compass]

What can and cannot kill them?

[fast dew]

Kinda the narrative point of the void

[twin wigeon]

Retcon Void

[tall echo]

Unexplored, but tenno appear to be. very killable

[rigid compass]

RAAAAAAAH RETCONS

[twin wigeon]

it just happens to do things, which makes sense

given how empty and void it is

[pale cedar]

Weapons
Radiation
Too much Transference stream

[twin wigeon]

lots of blank canvas

[tall echo]

Like, the player tenno gets (almost) killed twice

[rigid compass]

It just doesnt make any sense. If theres so many ways to kill them why were they such a problem for the sentients

[tall echo]

Hidden in the void

[twin wigeon]

bc we got void beams

[pale cedar]

Because killing a Warframe doesn’t generally kill the Operator of it

[rigid compass]

Mirage

[pale cedar]

I said generally

[tall echo]

Exceptions exist

[twin wigeon]

Mirage

what

[fast dew]

Mirage??

[pale cedar]

There are cases but it’s not a thing that will always happen

[twin wigeon]

mirage killed her kiddo wot

[tall echo]

Lotus mourns the death of mirage in the quest for mirage

[pale cedar]

Gara killed her Operator

[rigid compass]

And we still couldnt beat em that easily. The old war flash backs still show many getting packed up by sentient. ERRA TANKS 6 BEAMS AND WE DONT EVEN GET THAT EXPLAINED. ITS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPRESSVIE SENTIENT FEAT!

[fast dew]

Theres also whatever jade did to her tenno

[twin wigeon]

dementia

[pale cedar]

Just let them sleep

[rigid compass]

They didnt bro those are them

[tall echo]

It's theorized that erra was rebuilt

[rigid compass]

HOW

[fast dew]

What could that possibly mean 😭 did they not notice that her tenno wasnt up and moving

[twin wigeon]

Sentients are just robots

[tall echo]

Unknown, but he himself avoids the topic of his supposed death

[rigid compass]

In the words of the ultrakill dev or whoever. REBUILT FROM WHAT

[pale cedar]

Hey, they’re robots with feelings

[twin wigeon]

not impossible he could stitch himself back together using Praghasa or Hunhow

[fast dew]

Hakita. His name is hakita.

[tall echo]

We rebuild umbra from nothing...

[twin wigeon]

conjecture

[twin wigeon]

semi nothing

[rigid compass]

We rebuild him from scans

[twin wigeon]

we got his data

[rigid compass]

Of fragements

[tall echo]

Essentially nothing

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/hakita-ultrakill-live-hakita-reaction-fraud-gif-648424985491831901

[pale cedar]

Probably didn’t care

[rigid compass]

Erra is built different to tank likely the 6-7 strongest tennos' void beams

[tall echo]

Bruh

[pale cedar]

Jade was still able to do things despite Operator being asleep

[rigid compass]

Thats cause she an og frame

[pale cedar]

It’s cause she had a motivation

[fast dew]

I mean yeah we know full sentients can withstand the void for a bit

[rigid compass]

IF ONLY NEW WAR ACTUALLY MADE ERRA A MENACE BUT NO MAKE HIM BALLAS' GOOD BOY

[tall echo]

It's bc ballas made her stay conscious by design

[rigid compass]

Bit?

[tall echo]

That's kinda his whole thing

[fast dew]

Yeah I'd rather we dont show the minority who spent their lives fighting for their freedom as the bad guys