lore-discussion

[stiff fable]

Twice, even

[proper barn]

they died to dagath.

I mean It was after they killed her by accident.

when they tried to kil a horse she loved.

[strange plinth]

-# I doubt I need to tell you what faceless thing clambered jerkily from the facility's waste disposal heap, in the still of a Naberus night. How she sought for her Dax Nikana, and found only the overseer's whip-blade. Confused, vacant, she wandered. Why was she alone? Where was her loyal Rakhali? She reached deep into despair and memory, and summoned up a ghost-horse to run alongside her on the night winds. Now, at least, she was no longer alone. She groped for other memories, came up with hands overflowing with betrayal. When the morning sun rose on Corphel and Irilia, they were faceless too, and quite still.
full paragraph

[pine thistle]

So she killed for vengeance

It seems to be a theme of this game that characters always succumb to their want for revenge

[stiff fable]

It's interesting that it seems the Warframe-ing process stole her memories

[pine thistle]

I can’t think of a single time where a character hasn’t went for the vengeance route

[stiff fable]

And getting a hole punched in her head brought her memories and identity back

[fast dew]

She

Was lowkey in an abusive relationship

I do not disagree with killing your abusers lol

Just as a reminder that. She in no way. Could ever say no to them

So

Take that as you will

[pine thistle]

She’s just the latest I know of, but I mean it seems like every single time someone is done wrong in some way and there comes a chance to either walk away or choose revenge, that person chooses revenge

Idk sometimes it seems like it’s better to leave well enough alone

[glacial bough]

Yes, because revenge is always the better options in these cases

[pine thistle]

Look at Kullervo

Dude got imprisoned for like a million years

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean

[pine thistle]

Was it worth it?

[fast dew]

These people have been abused

Yeah

Every second.

[strange plinth]

kullervo imprisoned himself tbf, all ballas did was toss him in the void

[glacial bough]

Yes, for the most part

[fast dew]

These people who abuse folk do not deserve to be forgiven.

They do not deserve half the shit they would have in gaol

[glacial bough]

It's always worth trying to kill the level of immorality the Orokin and the like sit at

[restive river]

Guilt

[fast dew]

But yeah overall, big fan of killing your abuser, big fan

[pine thistle]

Ehhh, maybe

I understand the why but sometimes the level of violence inflicted really is staggering to me

[fast dew]

Idk i don't want the guy roaming around, possibly hurting others

[pine thistle]

Margulis: gets executed by Orokin

Tenno: play real life search & destroy with all of the Orokin’s lives

😭🙏🏼

[strange plinth]

tbf most of the abusers we see are orokin, there's not going to be a solution if you try anything else

[fast dew]

Guess who that was orchestrated by

-# [Margulis' abuser]

[fast dew]

The orokin do not like to change, they often need to be nearly murdered to change themselves

[pine thistle]

Yeah but we definitely did wanna to kill them by then, or else we wouldn’t have done it

Hey I’m not complaining, Roathe can be the Devil of Tau, we’re the Devil of Sol

[fast dew]

I do not think Roathe particularly likes the title, The Devil of Tau, to be entirely honest

[strange plinth]

we weren't exactly in control during the night of naga drums though, either
most if not all were in the second dream, being commanded by lotus
we had motive, yes, via margulis and our own trauma, but that was not the only factor in all that

[pine thistle]

Devil of Tau is a more apt title for us considering what happened at Tauron

We’re the one who stormed the academy not him

Why does he get the credit of the title wtf

[fast dew]

He earned that title from a completely different thing lol

[strange plinth]

he called himself the devil of tau according to his one bit of dialogue about it

and it would've been way before we did our thing

[pine thistle]

Of course he gives himself a title, typical Orokin

All of our titles are given to us by other people

[strange plinth]

he called himself the 'devil of tau' but he was given the 'vice regent grand carnus admiral' title as a joke

[pine thistle]

Though tbh Roathe might have a higher kill count than us so

[fast dew]

He. Might not actually

We have done. And incredible amount of killing. In the meantime

Roathe has been trapped in xx99, unable to keep up

Because

He uh

Hopefully isnt killing people in xx99

[pine thistle]

Imma need Operator and Arthur to exchange war stories, though Eleanor might not be too happy considering she (rightfully) still acknowledges Operator as a traumatised child

If operator can even get to 1999

[strange plinth]

-# It's storytime you want is it? How's this - my own men, my battalion, turned into Devils. To honor me. My own infantry of endless soldiers by the same name: URIEL! I couldn't save a single man. Not that I wanted to at the time, of course. Victory at any cost and all that. But, by calling myself the Devil of Tau, I doomed each soldier I trained to be turned into that thing. Uriel.

-# Among the Seven I was - so I was told - considered Nitokh’s plaything and concubine.
-# In the early days of the War they appointed me Vice Regent Grand Carnus at her goading, thinking it a jest.
-# How quickly their laughter turned to solemn applause as I brought home the news of one victory after another.

[strange plinth]

-# R: Always leaving everyone else to do his dirty work. But I digress. You are asking me about why I sit and talk to them. Especially the bird. It is simple. But I think I would like you to guess. I want to see if you can work it out.
-# D: He doesn't know who you are.
-# R: Yes. In a way, that is precisely it. He does not know who I am. He knows nothing of the "Devil of Tau." And he... moreover, does not care.
-# R: To him, I am not Roathe. I am not Orokin. I am not a criminal. Or a traitor. Or a coward. I can simply be... myself.
but yea he seems. conflicted with the title for most of his dialogue

[pine thistle]

I really think the Hex would be horrified at what they’d say tbh. It’s one thing to hear it from an adult and another from like a 15 year old kid

Especially since Drifter can’t say anything since they didn’t fight at all in the war

Not to mention we died like twice on top of that and self revived

[strange plinth]

So there’s a child. A profoundly traumatized child. And someone thought it was a good idea to give this child weapons and armour and a selection of battle suits made from dead people, train them to kill, and send them off to war?
eleanor, rank3convo4

[pine thistle]

Pretty much

[lean garden]

no Kony 2012 for the hex obviously

[pine thistle]

Kony 2012?

[lean garden]

its a documentary about Joseph Kony who had used child soldiers

[pine thistle]

If you’re talking about what I think you are, Joseph was already on that type of timing since 1987

[strange plinth]

<'87 joke here>

[lean garden]

is that the bite of 87

[lean garden]

yea but none of the hex would have been part of warframe's equivalent of africa's events

[midnight ice]

is that the timing of 87..?

[pine thistle]

No. He founded the Lord’s Resistance Army in 1987

[lean garden]

bromethus aint catching up with the jokes

[pine thistle]

No but if anything in Africa was similar to how it was in reality in 1999 Africa was doing horrible that year.

It was global news pretty much

[lean garden]

All the more the hex wouldnt see it

because theyre severely occupied from 1998-1999

[left parrot]

Wat is the lore of Limbo?

[lean garden]

math wrong, go kaboom kablow rest in peace my granny

[midnight ice]

guy mathed too hard and got torn apart in the rift dimension

[left parrot]

OK WTF are these hahahah

[pine thistle]

😭

If they turned on a news channel they’d have heard about ts

[strange plinth]

not if its all being controlled by scaldra and/or techrot

[left parrot]

What????

[left parrot]

Huh

[lean garden]

they uh, wouldnt

hollvanian media was coopted remember

[strange plinth]

Ordis: "Operator, I think I know why we're finding Limbo parts scattered throughout the system. His final rift walk was a miscalc... --disaster.-- Well, perhaps when you occupy this frame, you will use more... caution."
limbo mathed too hard and blew up

[lean garden]

its either scaldra propaganda or a proper ganda at seeing your tv grow legs

[midnight ice]

okay so i havent ran the limbo mission since 2018 however: it's ba— yeah grey got it. his first attempt of doing his whole schtick (entering the rift) tore him apart

[strange plinth]

mm, probably not his first, but it seems like he tried something big and exploded for it

Ordis: "Oh. Wait, Limbo, no that's a mistake, you don't want to go there. It's too big a jump. You can't rift walk... ohh. Oh no."
the line right before the previous one lol

[stiff fable]

he tried to make a HUGE jump

[midnight ice]

ty!

[stiff fable]

which, oops

[pine thistle]

Honestly maybe it’s for the best the world resets at January 2000

😭

[left parrot]

Ohhh

[left parrot]

This "jump" is the calculation he, Limbo, is trying to jump in this.. Rift thing

[pine thistle]

Honestly thinking about it, Scaldra is so lame. I feel like we could deal with them if it really came down to it

But it wouldn’t matter cause it’s just gonna reset

We dealt with Grineer and corpus we can’t deal with Viktor and his group of idiots

🗿

[stiff fable]

same problem in 1999 as in the modern origin system actually

Scaldra is a global conspiracy

If we merked Viktor and all of Scaldra in the city, they'd be replaced within 24 hours

[blissful merlin]

Wait…do you guys think that was like…an actual limbo frame with no operator attempting that rift jump…or was it some dumb operator controlling a limbo who attempted that jump…

What would be funnier lol

[strange plinth]

limbo theorem was released before tsd
so uhhh

there's not much in the quest's dialogue that would indicate either, from what i can tell

[blissful merlin]

True…so I guess it’s really the question of, what would be a funny outcome. Lol
An operator attempting to use limbo for the jump or just limbo doing it by himself…

[humble sierra]

Imagine if it happened during the Old Peace

Maybe the Operator in question was just trying to do their math homework

[blissful merlin]

See now that’s an answer I was looking for haha. That’d be so funny yet so tragic

[pale cedar]

There’s also the fact DE were planning Operators prior to the quest release

[blissful merlin]

Oh???

[stiff fable]

there were a few hints yeah

and it takes about six months to write a Warframe quest

[left parrot]

Oh I get it

Limbo literally is an Orokin era scientist

Trying to prove his theory

But ended up slicing himself into pieces in both rift

In the end he has parts non existent to this plane

The purpose of the Limbo Theorem is literally just Searching the stuff needed to create him and made him into a warframe.

So his Warframe, Limbo, is just a manifestation of what he is if complete

(I maybe over thinking and overcomplicsting stuff here)

@strange plinth ?
@lean garden ?
@midnight ice ?

Am I right? Or im over thinking his whole lore

[lean garden]

overthinking

[midnight ice]

overthinking

[lean garden]

all that was done by the warframe

[left parrot]

Oof

Oh ok... Can you please like, enlighten me and such?

[midnight ice]

hes an early warframe quest thats all excavations he unfortunately doesnt get any deeper than "frame just maths too hard and tries to jump in (through?) the rift too far"

[left parrot]

Huh

But the "Orokin Era Scientist" is true tho right?

[midnight ice]

we dont know

[left parrot]

Oh

[midnight ice]

might just be a warframe with a phd

[left parrot]

So it's not a human?

[blissful merlin]

My fav answer to it all lol.

[midnight ice]

not sure if its a sentient warframe (see: rhino prime fragment) or an operator that did it

We Just Don't Really Know

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-computing-counting-math-problems-gif-14678592

[left parrot]

Woah, ok

Well idk

But Ballas mentioned it's composed of a (oversimplification) mix matxh of flesh and stuff right? That's a warframe

So is Limbo is for sure a human first?

[stiff fable]

Every Warframe used to be a person

Then later, they/we made copies of that former person

[midnight ice]

and we dont know what limbo used to be either? unless you wanna go on theorizing limbo's protoframe

[left parrot]

Alright that's good to kniw

That's what I thought of Limbo

All I know and suspected is he is an Orokin-Era Scientist

[midnight ice]

he could be, and it would be cool, but we didnt get any info or allusions to any of it

[left parrot]

I'm assuming that's Proto

[stiff fable]

no

[midnight ice]

unlike a lot of the other cool warframes with cool lore in their cool warframe quests, limbo has 900 excav missions and like two paragraphs of lore 💔 💔

[stiff fable]

Protos are completely, 100% separate

[left parrot]

OK that's good to note

[stiff fable]

It's closer to... think of them as people on the way to becoming Warframes?

[left parrot]

Hmmm lack of info fr

[stiff fable]

But they stopped before then

So Arthur is 98% an Excalibur Warframe

[dire mountain]

Well, slowed down

[stiff fable]

eh, the Triad aren't in that situation

And are in no danger of tipping over any time soon

[left parrot]

Ohhh I get it

[cedar raft]

Spoiler warning: Call of tempestari

Can someone help me understand something. ||Back on the call of tempestary when we play that sequence as sevagoth's shadow fighting off the corpus in that void like area. What is that actually ment to be?||

[left parrot]

Don't worry you're in lore discussion

It's filled with Spoilers already

[cedar raft]

Fair I still thought id do that just in case lol

[left parrot]

OK so let me get this straight with Limbo

He is an unknown scientist of an unknown era

All we know is that it's just someone who math'd so hard, trying to prove something (probably believing he can control the rift) got gone wrong and he is torn through the rifts

[midnight ice]

yup

thats about it

[left parrot]

Aight... Is fan lore OK for Limbo? Giving him a back ground farther than this

[midnight ice]

yeah dude go wild i make fanlore/headcanons all the time

[left parrot]

Bet I'm still making a lore on Cyte

[left parrot]

Where do you post them?

[midnight ice]

my circle of friends..........

[left parrot]

Eh it's fine

I was thinking of adding my world in bc of Eternalism and stuff

[dire mountain]

Insert the gif 😭

[left parrot]

I mean

[blissful merlin]

Ever since I got that message from Roathe, I’ve non stop wanted to just walk up to him and just chat about Eternalism with him. Alt timeline talk. I’m that guy on any day…but knowing he gets so annoyed by it??? Oh please let me talk his ear off

[left parrot]

Let that devil be

[blissful merlin]

When constellations was revealed all I could think about was my drifter/operator leaning on his shoulder going “well would you look at that?”

whispers in his ear “eternalism”

https://tenor.com/view/whisper-ear-some-news-listening-rumor-gif-26729200

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/uriel-warframe-roathe-the-devils-triad-protoframe-gif-2336531961225858370

[left parrot]

Look at that ugly ass hahaha

[dark compass]

I don't think limbo is supposed to be a scientist

More like a magician doing tricks

The mathemagician

[pine thistle]

Would a low noble still be considered an Orokin

[tall echo]

no

there were orokin and there were regular nobles

[dark compass]

Nobles are just that

Orokin are gods

[tall echo]

at least they thought they were

[pine thistle]

no

[pine thistle]

So our family was a noble family

If you choose the wealthy option

[tall echo]

wealthy doesn't mean noble

[pine thistle]

I really doubt the average baseline human would’ve had an opportunity to become wealthy

Parvos was the exceptionally rare one

[dark compass]

Yes?

That's how they see themselves

You can be a noble, whatever sort of rich. But Orokin are seen as gods and no matter how rich you are you can't really measure up to them

Unless you're Parvos, so rich and powerful that the line is actually blurred

[smoky gulch]

For Zariman crew, it does make sense for civilians to be at least wealthy, if not of noble, descent

It was the grand project of regime to start colonisation of Tau, after all

[proper barn]

@dark compass @pine thistle okay the nobles where the orokin or orokin related. Parvos is a werido that then made a mlm scheme. @tall echo

[tall echo]

lio de nas

[proper barn]

We don't know of any "noble" families that aren't orokin.

What does that mean?

[tall echo]

lio de nas was a non-orokin noble

[proper barn]

No it doesn't they where chosen by the orokin seemingly it wasn't a choice they wanted to make. Like there was a literal rebellion on the ship that stopps it from launching.

[proper barn]

It's never said he is noble.

Also it's slightly implied they might be orokin but also it's a school like the archimediaj school seemingly.

[tall echo]

I doubt a normal citizen would've had 50 guards

[ocean geyser]

I always felt like the Zariman citizens were random middle class people
Especially with all the dialogue options you can use in that one Quincy convo

[clever linden]

One of the Zariman weapons was used for ceremonial firings and their use on the Zariman meant to symbolize the Zariman a crew to the high class

[ocean geyser]

Symbolize

[pine thistle]

My issue with the orokin really comes down to their tendency to bring a sledgehammer to solutions that require a surgical scalpel.

You know how I said earlier how madness and greatness share a face? Well they leaned too hard into the madness

For an example: continuity. Continuity is not inherently bad, the issue is that they thought that taking random civilians and using their bodies as vessels was intelligent instead of just developing synthetic bodies with what they want and then transferring their consciousness into those empty bodies when their current ones were old

Though I’d personally argue immortality was a factor as to why they ended up on the madness end of the scale

At a certain point… you need to die.

As wild as that sounds

[zenith quail]

Hey, does it say anywhere that the Hex will specifically turn into mindless warframes? Stalker and Jade aren't mindless, Stalker can speak, Jade successfully pretended to be a tenno, so she could probably speak too.

[stiff folio]

The Orokin are a great example of how ignoring the natural world leads to catastrophe. Excess is the enemy of the natural order.

Earth was polluted and destroyed, and they conquered more planets.

Their lives became too long and safe, so they invented new exciting and taboo activities like wearing other people as Halloween outfits after turning them into living sculptures of agony.

They created a bioweapon but lost control of it, so they created a bioweapon but lost control of it, but then they created another bioweapon and lost control of it and it killed them.

Etc

The only thing really separating the Orokin from real world wealthy and powerful people and governments, is that we haven't made the science yet.

[tall echo]

Notably those were kept conscious intentionally

[daring tusk]

how old is caliban in game not in lore

i mean how old from release date

cause i saw him with just 1 augment???

oops wc

[strange turtle]

When is it slightly implied?

[midnight ice]

you mean the assassin school in Ash's lore or

[midnight ice]

rationalizing orokin behavior is a lot easier if you just substitute "orokin" with "hyperrich 1%-ers". when riches buys you omnipotency you just start losing touch with reality to the point of sheer absurdity by our standards

like that dude who keeps his "biological age" at 18 by transfusing plasma from his son(?) or the sorts

[midnight ice]

the roathe eternalism rant gets a lot of mileage here lol

[humble sierra]

I mean just look how healthy he looks

[strange turtle]

We only know of two/one specific Orokin families, and we only know them because they’re actually present and relevant

[midnight ice]

yeah like decrepit ultrarich people who just keep getting organ transplants despite looking like crumpled paper

[strange turtle]

There’s the RJ Houses, but we don’t actually know if they were Orokin or just elites

[celest needle]

Why not form a collective hive mind of goop?

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure the synthetic body thing was something they passed off on because they had the Grineer

[midnight ice]

also smth smth human bodies better than filthy clone vats smth smth smth

[ocean geyser]

Probably does lean into the madness but their egos were so enormous that Praghasa would struggle to eat them
So anything grown in a lab was considered too “lowly” for an Orokin to perform Continuity on

They’re just racist, to put it simply

[fast dew]

Mm, what's the second one?

There's the Entrati, The Vortens [Father + Grandmother, possibly related to Vortengeist labs]

Is there like. Another or did you mean them

[strange turtle]

Yeah I meant them

[fast dew]

Sick

[strange turtle]

Two/one because the Vortens are Entrati now

[fast dew]

True.. Wonder what an orokin marriage is like..

As in

The wedding

[opaque zenith]

Opulent and fancy, for starters (and gold is obligatory ofc)

[fast dew]

Id imagine it has some quirks

[dark compass]

Lots of completely meaningless rituals rehearsed for 5 years and you'll be killed if you don't do it correctly (the rituals are only for the guests)

[celest needle]

The Dax getting slimed after he failed to bow properly

[dark compass]

It's only right that you bring a wedding sniper to get rid of the miscreants as quickly and subtly as possible

[fast dew]

Mm, howd the body get taken away?

[strange turtle]

Taken away?

I mean, ig the catering would need to bring it to the kitchen and cook it first

[fast dew]

If you kill someone the body is gonna stay there unless you get someone to take it away

[celest needle]

Have another servant take the body away

[opaque zenith]

Radiation status is the meta for weddings cause of the desintegration

[dark compass]

Oh no corpses are a part of the ritual. They symbolize all the brave dax who fell to protect the empire

[fast dew]

Ahhh nodders

[dark compass]

There's a death quota, some will get shot anyways

[celest needle]

How about the food?

[fast dew]

Mm. A buffet.
-# a lot of alcohol.

[opaque zenith]

Exclusively endangered species

[celest needle]

Not the Cervulites 🥀

[fast dew]

True..

[celest needle]

Have we seen alcohol mentioned at all yet?

I mean
I'd expect them to drink but
I don't think alcoholic substances have ever been mentioned

[dark compass]

There used to be a club back in the day consisting of rich people the entire purpose of which was to taste every single species newly discovered

[fast dew]

Mm, to be totally honest Cervulites don't seem to be totally appetising

They seem to. Lean? Not much on there

Maybe Tagfer is just a skinny one

[fast dew]

Loid can identify wine
-# albeit cannot identify whatever the hell Lyon had
So. Logically that means wine exists and he is familiar with it

[dark compass]

Horses are extremely lean

People still eat em in many parts of the world

[fast dew]

True, thats true

[strange turtle]

Well they’re not going to bury the bodies are they? They’re there so might as well take advantage

[fast dew]

I imagine that a cervulite would taste like. Maybe a tougher deer..

[celest needle]

Cannibalism has to be like

Pretty rare ngl

Like its up their alley but

I think they'd prefer expensive food then cheap meat

[fast dew]

Is it like

Just eating a raw leg or are they going hannibal style and making that shit fancy

[opaque zenith]

I mean, you woudn't eat your clothes

[fast dew]

True..

[celest needle]

What says I don't

[fast dew]

Id imagine there's. Cannibal specific circles

[opaque zenith]

I stand corrected them, for better or worse

[strange turtle]

Loid and wine like Thomas said, the forbidden “Rakni Juice”(?) smuggled onto the Zariman implied to be alcoholic, a mention with Ostron cuisine, vineyards and claret (a french wine) mentioned in Ash Leverian, the winemaking nobles from Duviri + a mention from Narrator Mom

There’s also mentions across KIM

[pine thistle]

You need to die eventually

This is what happens when you live too long

[pine thistle]

But body snatching random people = ok according to Orokin logic

[stiff folio]

There's a lot of mentions of "let's have a drink" and "let's hit the pub" from Little Duck's dialogue in Vox bounties + disruption missions

[blissful wraith]

Guys who would even honor jade's promise? such wimps Orion would carve a new destiny for him instead of keeping the coward's word

[twin wigeon]

There’s also Velimirs existence

He IS a bartender

[twin wigeon]

What are you talking about

[stiff folio]

I'm more interested in modern day drinks than 1999, since most of 1999 is kinda just IRL

[blissful wraith]

jade's promise with Stalker

[twin wigeon]

True

[stiff folio]

This user is Parvos Granum

[blissful wraith]

our boy Orion would trash it and carve his new destiny

[blissful wraith]

Im #1 Orion fanboy I'm waiting for him to release so I can ask for his biography

[twin wigeon]

Autograph

Atragraph

[normal mountain]

You are not

For one, you don't have Orion as your pfp

[restive river]

Oooo the Orion fans are fiiiighting

[umbral mist]

i finished the main story line

[umbral mist]

ballas is a really well written character

[opaque zenith]

Bet. Say who's the Mirmidon

[restive river]

They did a good job at making me want to kill him

[umbral mist]

you mean myrmidon

[opaque zenith]

You pass, I was too slow

[fast dew]

Orion, Uriel and Stalker fans are all the proof I need that edge lords still exist ❤️

[restive river]

Give me myrmidon enemy unit

[opaque zenith]

I'll stay in shame

[fast dew]

-# they also happen to be the same people

[restive river]

You forgot Kullervo
And Ash

[umbral mist]

uriel goated they should have given his design a horn

[restive river]

Huh???

His alt helmet is mostly horn lol

[fast dew]

Mhm

[umbral mist]

yea but not his main mahito looking ahh

[fast dew]

Uriel's alt helm looks a bit silly

[restive river]

Buy the alt helm

[umbral mist]

i love it

[umbral mist]

im broke okay

[restive river]

I think they were primarily focused on maintaining Mynki’s vision tbh
Which did include the alt helmet iirc

Only thing we didn’t get was a trident afaik

[restive river]

Wishlist the helmet for sure and if you’re able to I reccomend getting some prime parts to sell
otherwise if you can afford it, only if, wait for a good plat deal

The helmet will eventually be in nightwave’s shop if it isn’t already

So no matter what you’ll get it in time

[stiff folio]

It can be gained from Nightwave credits

I think it's even in this week

[restive river]

[fast dew]

Big fan of making alt helms accessible

[restive river]

They get made available pretty fast too
Depending on new nightwave releases ig but that’s it

[celest needle]

Evaporate this one

[twin wigeon]

Stalker did that for you dw

[celest needle]

Void Bless Sorren for that

One less Loki out there

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-the-second-dream-shadow-stalker-gif-14588821

[ocean geyser]

Chat I think I work for the Murmur

company logo is basically just the Murmur symbol but upside down with a chunk taken out of the corner

[twin wigeon]

Show

[umbral mist]

i still couldn't get over the fact that the trailer used a song by erra and hunhow also appeared in the trailer

[ocean geyser]

I think i’d dox myself if I did that so no

[twin wigeon]

True

[ocean geyser]

This site might be the only one that uses the logo so
Im okay actually

[twin wigeon]

Does your boss… smile? A lot?

[ocean geyser]

Uhhhhh
Maybe

HR Manager does

[opaque zenith]

Lucky, my work only have a badly drawn sun. We workship Sol but very badly (and a lot of other places had the same idea so is not even original)

[fast dew]

Im not a big fan of mg CONTROLLER DISCONNECTING HALFWAY THROUGH A BOTB RUN

[vestal vine]

Whats the most recent Warframe made in lore btw

[fast dew]

Mm, it would be Sirus/Orion

[opaque zenith]

No idea, perhaps Caliban (the normal ver) being made by Erra possibly in the new war, but one can argument for being made in the old war. No timeline for anyone else afaik

[opaque zenith]

Nvm forgot the (not) twins

[vestal vine]

Could be able to get both?

I mean, Warframes shouldn't suppose to be death first?

[fast dew]

Mm, we can get both

Whatever that means

[twin wigeon]

Technically. Technically no

[vestal vine]

Asking cus according to Umbra's quest, their mind should be lost by the time to have an entire control over them

[twin wigeon]

No

Actually I think all of them were alive when turned

And are in a capacity still alive

[vestal vine]

Just the mind is preserved, but after many copies that just goes dissapearing

[twin wigeon]

Uhhhhhhhhhh

[dusk temple]

Well... Not exactly?

[vestal vine]

Dunno at all

[dusk temple]

The warframes we make today are just 3d printed flesh puppets

But back in the Old War they weren't.

[vestal vine]

They are, but are an identical copy of the original ones. Thats why by the time they are 90% steel puppets

[vestal vine]

Exactly

[dusk temple]

So back in that time, every warframe had a supressed mind. But nowadays they arent because we recreate the nervous system but not the personality or the mind of the person the warframe used to be.

[vestal vine]

The only exception I know is Umbra, because he is unique in his type and there never was copies of him

[fast dew]

Wh

No

Warframes have a suppressed mind

All warframes have one

Even the copies

They just lose that mind to infestation madness

We "sedate" them

[twin wigeon]

It’s how they’re able to instinctively move during second dream

[vestal vine]

Umbra's mind wasn't suprresed at all, thats why he's entirely independent.
Even if we have control

[vestal vine]

They are in constant pain right

[fast dew]

We do not know what causes a warframe to retain its sentience, we know vague ideas, like a strong enough emotion or memory

[twin wigeon]

We restore his mind via the vitruvian i think

[dusk temple]

That makes sense.

[twin wigeon]

Nah, we keep them sane and painless

[vestal vine]

According that, if we're gonna get Sirius/Orion Blueprints, we are gonna do the same as Umbra?

[fast dew]

We just know that it can, and that even copies can move if sufficiently motivated

[twin wigeon]

In return they protect us with their bodies of steel

[vestal vine]

Umbra stills mostly awaken so...

[fast dew]

Transference bolt

[dusk temple]

We might not get blueprints, they might just join us. Though that would create issues with the wall mouth and subsumes.

[vestal vine]

Something tells me we're gonna get their blueprints if they die after in story

Same as Jade

[dusk temple]

Who knows

[fast dew]

We're probably gonna get their blueprint as they get yeeted to their own timeline

[vestal vine]

Stalker will be mad as hell

[dusk temple]

I'm just waiting for the day DE gives Stalker a rework so he's better to play when he shows up in Duviri

[fast dew]

Because remember, they do not belong to this timeline, and there is the baby taking up that space

[dusk temple]

Uhhhhh.... I don't think so? I think only the unchosen son comes from the future. I'm pretty sure I might be wrong though.

Havent had time to watch the devstreams

[vestal vine]

The Eternalism secondary effects not affect only the ones in the Zariman?
And Tenshin

[fast dew]

Iirc they're from separate timelines, doesn't mean Orion/Sirus wasn't chosen as the baby's name but yk

[vestal vine]

I know there's infinite possibilities, but shouldn't both brothers stay in their time lines?

[fast dew]

Oh

Yeah we have literally no clue how they're coexisting in the trailer

[stiff folio]

It'll be easier to talk about it after next devstream probably

[fast dew]

And Teshin isn't affected by it as there isn't a second teshin in duviri

[twin wigeon]

Teshin in the relay is a hologram now

[fast dew]

Even if it was a copy, he'd be fine, as Teshin isn't in the same timeline as that

[stiff folio]

Teshin in Duviri is the same Teshin from the main timeline, he even says something like not knowing if he's dead or alive. I take it that he's the same as the holdfasts, kept alive by the Void somehow

[fast dew]

Oh

No he's alive

Mathila just took care of him

Mathilla... marthila..?

[twin wigeon]

Hes just really dementia ridden

[stiff folio]

I mean he did have his skull crushed

[twin wigeon]

Mathila

[vestal vine]

I never understood why there's 2 Tenshins

[fast dew]

There isn't

[twin wigeon]

1 Teshin

[fast dew]

Thats just a hologram, think like Holo lotus in. Whatever quest that was

[vestal vine]

I wonder how he survived a neck braker

[twin wigeon]

Our Teshin is just stuck in Duviri and can leave whenever

[vestal vine]

Why he's older?

[fast dew]

He aged in Duviri

Time passes differently in the void

[twin wigeon]

Why do you think the void cares about time

[stiff folio]

Teshin was pulled into Duviri via the portal after Erra crushed his helmet

[fast dew]

Once he entered, he didn't enter during a loop

[vestal vine]

Shouldn't the void not respect tune laws?

[twin wigeon]

No

[dusk temple]

It has to spit you out at some point in time

[twin wigeon]

It’s an intersection of infinite likely timelines

[fast dew]

Duviri obeys time laws in a very weird way, time passes but it will not be linear to us

[vestal vine]

oooooooooooo well it doesn't explain how he survived, but I suppose by the same way our Tenno does

[stiff folio]

I took it as his body dying, but his soul going to Duviri

[fast dew]

Wh

[twin wigeon]

No

[fast dew]

No
No his. Body is there

He just aged with us

[vestal vine]

Is there a real afterlife in Warframe?

[stiff folio]

Not that we know of, I don't think

[twin wigeon]

Erra has no muscles he just lightly squeezed thats all

[twin wigeon]

Yes /j

[pale cedar]

Unnamed Heaven

[twin wigeon]

Bc that’d mean Ballas is in hell

[pale cedar]

You never know there’s an afterlife till you’re dead

[vestal vine]

Our tenno cant die lol

[pale cedar]

They in fact can die

[fast dew]

They absolutely can die

[pale cedar]

We literally died in the most recent quest

[twin wigeon]

We die. A lot

[fast dew]

Rell died and he was a "tenno"

[pale cedar]

We aren’t special past we made a deal

[twin wigeon]

Hunhow even comments about our mortality

[pale cedar]

Ballas also never called us Immortal he legit just said he couldn’t kill us and had no evidence to support his theory

He never tested it

[stiff folio]

"You can't kill the devil, but you can send it back to hell"

[fast dew]

Yk a very hard to kill roach

[twin wigeon]

Actually he says he can’t kill us but can send us back to hell or the void

[fast dew]

You call the roach immortal. But it isn't

[pale cedar]

Ballas saying it means nothing because he had never actually tested it

It was pure theorycrafting

[stiff folio]

I think what's important here is that we haven't seen a Tenno die onscreen canonically, but we have had one line of dialogue about Rell's mortality, and seen our Operator get fatally wounded at least once and then bounce back from it later

Until it's blatantly stated I choose to believe our Tenno just returns into the Void upon fatal damage or w/e

[pale cedar]

We literally died on screen

[fast dew]

Rell

Rell dies on screen

[woven coyote]

Well old peace disagrees

[fast dew]

Do we not kill Rell

Wait. No we just let him die

[woven coyote]

We unplug the life support chains

[vestal vine]

If we're talking about that new war scene, we revived after

[pale cedar]

Old Peace

[vestal vine]

No way we die on old peace

[pale cedar]

We literally died in Old Peace

[fast dew]

Dude I don't think they got there yet

[vestal vine]

Im not 😭

[fast dew]

SHIT

[pale cedar]

Well

Explains the misconception

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

Get out of lore chat you're gunna get spoilered

[stiff folio]

Weirdly I have no recollection of the death scene despite playing Old Peace like a month ago

[celest needle]

I mean you die in the intro but its a fake out

[stiff folio]

I guess Tenno do just... die. It's kinda weird considering how strong they're shown as

[dusk temple]

We're really strong

but we can still get shot and stabbed

[smoky gulch]

Our warframes are strong?

[fast dew]

-# doomguy is super strong and he still dies in the dark ages-

[stiff folio]

The conversations in KIM with Eleanor about the Operator/Drifter's soul being able to inhabit things threw me for quite a loop, I interpreted it as the body dying but the spirit of the Tenno player just becomes like... a ghost and finds a new body. Kinda like Thrax units do

I need to re-read that

[fast dew]

You gotta take into account that the stuff in KIM might not be fully accurate

[dusk temple]

The lore on Oro is very inconsistent iirc

[fast dew]

Its Drifter's interpretation, not genuine fact

[fast dew]

Oro is widely disregarded as anything legitimate. Probably just a word for soul, in a spiritual sense.

[dusk temple]

Yeah, it is just the word for soul in warframe

[fast dew]

Its something not only the Tenno possess, at least according to Albrecht, who thinks his Cat would have it

[dusk temple]

But the lore on how it behaves for Tenno is very inconsistent and strange

[fast dew]

Do we even know how it works for the tenno?

[dusk temple]

Not really

There are brief mentions of how it works from people I think, but nothing definitive

We know Continuity screws around with oro and that Kuva has an effect on it but not much else is known

[fast dew]

Yeah its

Just the word for conciousness/soul

[celest needle]

Btw DG’s killed like 2 “gods” right?

[radiant pier]

bap

[fast dew]

He didn't kill The Father and Davoth willingly died and isnt really a god, but sure

Oh he did kill himself

Does that count

[dusk temple]

What about Khan Makyr?

[fast dew]

-# davoth was crippled in the fight + he isnt a bastard who'd fight to the death

Mm, the Khan. Isnt a god

[dusk temple]

Okay, they certainly seemed to be hailed as one though

[fast dew]

She has a lifesphere. Which isnt a unique trait to gods, but just indicates a particularly strong being

[fast dew]

Yeah, thats the result of. Internal corruption lol

[dusk temple]

Okay

[fast dew]

The only "gods" in the maykr species would be the seraphs

And even then we're not sure they're actually a god in the way doom uses the word

[twin wigeon]

Thomas is thrilled to be speaking of Doom

[fast dew]

Doomguy isn't capable of having a lifesphere for an example, despite him having a lot of power and being close to a primeval

[dusk temple]

They're just a Higher Being? Like the Pale King, Radiance, Nightmare Heart, and Grandmother Silk?

[fast dew]

They're referred to as the ancient gods, which aligns to their "job" and age, but they aren't a Primeval

[fast dew]

Mm, thats more like the Primevals, Davoth and The father [who is lesser for whatever reason]

"Gods" in doom are primevals, the creators. How doom uses it is. Not how other media uses the word

The Father is incapable of making higher realms, but he is still classified as a primeval. He is the only known primeval davoth has made

Gods are more

Whatever the hell doomguy is

[dusk temple]

So then they're more like the Godseekers? Beings of power but still a tier below Higher Beings.

[fast dew]

Yeah! Maykrs are
Angels

That's what they are, they are angels

They serve the father in his radiant glory or whatever

Something something proper order

The seraphs are. Gods. For whatever reason

The Khan has a lifesphere that is vaguely connected to other maykrs below her

[twin wigeon]

Hollow Knight and Doom in my warframe autism channel :0

[fast dew]

The seraphs aren't connected, they have independent will and thoughts, unlike certain maykrs, like the drones

[twin wigeon]

how splendid, truly a miracle

[fast dew]

And yes
The word is seraphs, in doom they don't use seraphim as plural because Samuel decided to take that title

Seraphs have. "Free will" but they are. Still enslaved as punishment

Except for Samuel cuz hes the golden boy

[fast dew]

Protip the father sucks

[restive river]

Warframe

I love Warframe Warframe Warframe

Neci took a deal, right?

[fast dew]

Yeah pretty sure

[restive river]

So that had me thinking
But
She wasn’t in the void and he was using her as a door to some degree to get to her before fully using her, yes?

Because the other two deals have been in the void and it may be due to that that they got “Driftered”

Otherwise there’s a Neci out there that still took the deal but got shunted

The whole “never said it’d be you”

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

Really wish we knew the exact terms for Baros

[pale cedar]

He tells us though

[restive river]

Forgot we got hard confirmation on this

"The adults turned on us. Did you do that?"

"The parents turned on you," the Queen corrected them graciously, prompted by the Glory that enveloped her. "The rest of the adults were spared. At first."

[restive river]

But not the exact details

Afaik this is all we have in Neci’s deal

(fourth stage) Neci Rusalka: "I was dying all along, did you know that? Dying from the poison I sucked down to kill the Techrot in my lungs. Until it held out my own severed hand to me… and offered me life."

So if her deal was just an offer of life, an offer to purge the infestation then whether or not she got driftered doesn’t matter too much
Such to be clear I doubt happened since her deal wasn’t in the void

And if she did then the other Neci is likely a techrotted monster

Which that would go crazy as a boss fight but would also confirm his deals always make a Drifter

[soft estuary]

I have a question about the Hex quest, the one where we attempt the New Year's Eve again. How does the Drifter actually help the Hex? Do they do a partial transference on each member to change their fate?

[glacial bough]

They use transference to help the Hex control their powers better and guide them

[soft estuary]

Thanks for explaining 🙂 is that because they were able to control the "thread"? They were stuck on Zariman so it's unclear to me how they were able to do transference in a different timeline? I'm confused 😅

[twin wigeon]

Well id say its because the zariman is so far removed from the normal physical world and is mostly in the void so transference there is stronger allowing you to bypass spatial restrictions, is what id say

[celest needle]

What do the Corpus and Grineer gain from raiding the Zariman?

It's chalk full of stuff but unlike void towers we have no proof of their success

All I can see is them getting stranded, delving too deep, and being murdered by void angels, or just going insane.

[soft estuary]

Ohhhhh. That explains so much. I thought half the ship is stuck in the physical world and that that's the part we're stuck in during the quest. Thanks for clarifying

[glacial bough]

There's a bunch of old tech they know works and can either sell or advance their own tech

[soft estuary]

Are the Void Angels the crew members who died during the jump?

[glacial bough]

And maybe Kuva from the big finger

[pale cedar]

They don’t actually ever try to harvest Kuva from the finger

[celest needle]

Well unlike the Jade Eximus I don't think they have ever advanced their tech with it

[twin wigeon]

its both stuck inside and outside of the void and its not just 1 zariman there but potentially several overlapping one

[soft estuary]

Because of Eternalism, right?

[twin wigeon]

Kuva is not from the finger, but void energy radiates off the finger which is empowering the kuva to disrupt transference streams aka launching us out of our frames

basically the trokkars are dispersing a sort of mist of void energized kuva to disrupt us <- my theory

[pale cedar]

What the Queens do is bring Kuva to the Drive room

[twin wigeon]

the Kuva Spider is just traveling container of Kuva

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[twin wigeon]

it wasnt always there but its brought by the queens forces

not the queens themselves obviously

[pale cedar]

It’s not actually connected to the finger when looking at the 2 things despite how images make it look like that

[twin wigeon]

All the crew are dead but the Void takes their consciousness and makes a new body hence all the void scarring on them

[twin wigeon]

theres like a roughly 30m space btwn the kuva bulb and the fingertip

[pale cedar]

Yeah but pictures of the 2 like to make it look like they’re next to each other

[twin wigeon]

Void angels are formed by the Void further claiming their conscious by luring these void bodies with void energy via a song of sorts. After that, their body and consiousness are gone and all thats left is an Angel

like the holdfasts are void corrupted versions of their human form, angels are further corrupted to the point its unsalvagable

also in case anyone is wondering what the metal is on their bodies, it could be morphics, void energy warped metal, or something else entirely

we dont know for a fact except that the void does that to metal

[restive river]

That’s Wally not the void

[twin wigeon]

sorry yes, Wally

Angels are Wallys uhhhh minions

[restive river]

Iirc
Wally, for some reason, conceptually embodied the void ghost crew
Said crew were chilling and then oop, the hunger
They were attracted to the song from the finger, fed, fully lost themselves and became Angels

[pale cedar]

Wally is never once seen commanding the Angels at best they’re just following the largest food source

[restive river]

Only Teshin has suggested that Wally has control of the Angels and it’s something we have yet to see but he is the reason that they exist

[twin wigeon]

Seems like the Murmur are Wallys experiments on bodily anatomy and Void Angels are experiments on consciousness

[restive river]

He could have just wanted to make monsters, a weapon for later
He doesn’t need to control it so long as it’s pointed at us.

[soft estuary]

Wait, they ate the finger?

[twin wigeon]

no more like feed off the energy

[restive river]

They’re also him kinda

[twin wigeon]

The finger on the zariman is a clone, Wally doesnt want that

he wants his original finger

[restive river]

Like Chilly said, the energy not the finger itself

[twin wigeon]

not this pale but comparable version of it

[soft estuary]

Wait, how do we know the finger on the Zariman is a replica? Where can I find that info?

[twin wigeon]

imagine how powerful the finger is given that the zariman and out railjack has only a fraction of the power

[twin wigeon]

Yonta says so iirc in one of her dialogues, check the Orokin Archives site perhaps

[woven coyote]

Yonta implies it during the quest

[twin wigeon]

Also Wally does not care for the finger even though its basically in his possession, its tainted clone flesh

[dark compass]

Void bagels...

[restive river]

Ok so some details on the replicas
Somehow the Orokin figured out how to replicate them and although they’re replicas He is still connected to them

[pale cedar]

It’s also called a replica by Drifter

[twin wigeon]

is that a everything everywhere all at once ref

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/everythingbagel-gif-25769117

[twin wigeon]

replicas of replicas of replicas

[restive river]

Just replicas

[woven coyote]

And before anyone asks "but how can we be sure the zariman one isnt original?"

Does this look in any way shape or form sealed away?

[twin wigeon]

The Orokin had replicas of replicas of the original that Alb stole

[restive river]

So
When the finger was cut only one was cut
But somehow multiple fell
Later the Orokin found a way to replicate them
So that’s why we have the Originals and replicas.

[restive river]

You’re adding one too many replicas
We’ve only been told replicas not
Replicas of replicas

[twin wigeon]

oh wait when alb cut the finger, multiples fell

[woven coyote]

"Pale reaching digits" yeah

[twin wigeon]

kinda like it self duplicated or smth

[twin wigeon]

i thought it was just the one singular finger that was severed, was not aware that when it was severed, several fingers also fell

unholy zariman parade might refer to the zariman series of unmanned ships

[pale cedar]

Albrecht directly calls them digits

[restive river]

It was one that was cut but several fell

[twin wigeon]

thats some weird gmod physics

[restive river]

Or
The parades for the zariman 10-0 mission lol

[pale cedar]

It’s the Void
Void do Void things

[twin wigeon]

True, its not elaborated ig

[restive river]

Wally do be a void entity

[twin wigeon]

True, its very loosly tethered to our physics, after all time doesnt work linearly

[celest needle]

Can the void bring back the snipetron?

[restive river]

Or space!

[twin wigeon]

Or space

[restive river]

Maybe if you do what cav did but like
Don’t force it

[twin wigeon]

cav started throwing shi into the void and they came back all corrupted

[pale cedar]

It can but it’s more likely to bring a snipetron that can only kill you or something

[restive river]

I apologize for this analogy but
Maybe CE is like evacuating bowels
Forcing it does nothing but when it happens naturally it just. Happens how it happens

[restive river]

He was just thinking of gun upgrades and the void did what it do

[twin wigeon]

CE is like shitting

Cav is an archimedian fs

[pale cedar]

He’s a dreamer

[restive river]

He is not

He is just security

To the archimedian comment
He is a dreamer lol

Daydreaming bout guns

We need to get him a kubrow still

[pale cedar]

He’s just a dreamer that the Void stole an idea from who also died on duty

[restive river]

He’s the ghost of a man brought back by a wall who died fighting that likes to dream of funny pew pews being upgraded

You can thank Cav for Stug Incarnon

[soft estuary]

Regarding th Cavia, why did only three return? One died, correct?

[restive river]

If your favorite gun doesn’t have an incarnon, blame him

[restive river]

Fib saved them iirc

[fast dew]

Saved them, by killing the other

Or..
Sacrificing the other i suppose

[restive river]

Kill minn
Save yourself and two others

[fast dew]

No clue how the fish did that

He doesnt have hands and all

[restive river]

Well he was just reacting iirc

I always assumed he used his mouth?
Or maybe his dumb head

[fast dew]

IN A FISH BOWL??

[restive river]

Woulda solved some problems if the void gave him some low level telekinesis

Er
Wally
Cause iirc it was Wally

Its been a bit and I’m tired, apologies

[fast dew]

He also can read books

Somehow

Somehow the fish can read books

[restive river]

Well he has eyes and a brain

[soft estuary]

No worries. Appreciate the time you're giving

[restive river]

Loid turns the pages for him

[fast dew]

Its just funny to me knowing someone has to hold the book up to him

A necramite maybe

[restive river]

Is
Is biped a slur?

[fast dew]

we're bipeds ducky.

[restive river]

Like how he uses it i mean lol

[restive river]

I know I mean specifically with how he says it to us lol

[fast dew]

Oh yeah probably like how Loid uses construct

[soft estuary]

For some reason, I pictured the construct Loid doing that 🤣

[ocean geyser]

I like to think they put it on a stand and a necramite turns the pages

[restive river]

Awww
Idk how they’re turning the pages but I love that better

[fast dew]

And of all things for fib to read its

Sad doomsday poetry

[restive river]

Oh
Ew
Yeah

[fast dew]

That.

Albrecht has

[restive river]

Let Otak talk to Fib

[fast dew]

Because Albrecht likes poetry

[restive river]

Otak and Bird 3 would be besties omg

[fast dew]

I think Fib would have a stroke

[soft estuary]

Does Albrecht actually go to Tau at the end of the quest or is he stuck in the timeloop with us? Or is it both because of Eternalism (what a headache)

[restive river]

Good

[fast dew]

I imagine Roathe is often infuriated by Otak

[restive river]

He escapes the loop but we dont know where he is

Do not worry about eternalism it isn’t relevant 90% of the time

[fast dew]

We dont know™

[restive river]

We have iirc 4 confirmed cases and 1 possible case of it and thats it

[fast dew]

Very rare indeed

[soft estuary]

One of the cases was when the Drifter and Operator met?

[restive river]

Drifter
Nun Eleanor
Sirius and Orion

Then Scaro and Revenant are actually the unconfirmed but Scaro is more likely one

[restive river]

Drifter in general is a case of eternalism

Wally’s deal was worded in such a way that he both meant to save us and didn’t mean to save us

Basically
We took the deal
He said he’d save them all
In Operator’s events that included them
In Drifter’s it did not

[soft estuary]

Yeah, I remember Wally saying that it can save them, but nothing about "us."

Poor Drifter got the short end of the stick

[restive river]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[restive river]

I mean both did really

[soft estuary]

Where is this from? FYI, I haven't done the Old Peace quest yet.

[restive river]

Drifter got to grow up in a relative paradise until it uh. Wasn’t
And Operator got to be a child soldier and face the horrors of war
Both got it bad

[restive river]

Zariman tablets sprinkled about Duviri

[soft estuary]

Don't want to "finish" the game 😭

[restive river]

Drifter and Operator are a case of both are traumatized in a way that they aren’t really comparable in terms of who had it worse

Both were awful in different ways

Ofc since the new war Drifter has had it much easier :p

Anyway
Here is all the tablets if you don’t want to stress about finding them all
There isn’t a reward for doing it anyway, it’s just lore
https://www.orokinarchives.com/zariman-tablets/

[soft estuary]

When we choose to continue with the Drifter, what happens to the Operator lore wise?

[restive river]

Fun fact, these messages were the first hint that the Sentients went before the Zariman 10-0!
Many believed the Zariman went first but we now know the truth

[soft estuary]

Do they die, or vanish?

[restive river]

Like in Duviri or?
Wdym?

Like when you swap between one or the other?

[soft estuary]

I mean in the story when we have choose between the Operator and the Drifter to save the Lotus, what happens to the former lore wise? I know we can switch between both in the game, but I'm curious what happened to the Operator

[restive river]

Oh!

Ok so after that moment from my understanding the whole void pocket thing happens
It also is what happens when we swap

Presently it hasn’t been talked about in game but it may be in the next update but
This is what we have on the swap thing

When you choose one the other spectates

[soft estuary]

Ohhhhhhhhh. Operator watching the Drifter smooching one of the Hex members 🤣 poor kid.

[soft estuary]

I wonder how DE will nicely wrap everything up. It's all so convoluted

[restive river]

Actually no!
Since Drifter went back in time they no longer share a slot in spacetime with Operator
So one can exist freely in the past while the other exists freely in the present!

[restive river]

Like for the arc?
Cause the game has no end in sight presently

The old peace introduces the apparently biggest arc yet

[soft estuary]

I just want the Drifter to live HAE with the Hex, and the Void adopts the Operator and they go on adventures in other universes. But I know Warframe is darker than that, but a girl can dream, no?

[stiff fable]

Tau Tau Tau Tau Tau Tau

[soft estuary]

Sorry, Wally adopts the Operator*

[restive river]

Yeah he ain’t doing that

[stiff fable]

But yeah Lettie already has a convo about Drifter leaving her for Tau

[restive river]

Operator and Lotus getting to just be child and mother would be nice :)

Wally is like
Very explicitly awful and our abuser
He’s why our original parents went mad which forced us to kill them

[naive rune]

a second system?👀

[restive river]

Find out at tennocon

[soft estuary]

I thought that was just a side effect to being exposed to the void. Didn't know they deliberately caused it

[naive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-hamster-still-loves-you-dont-give-me-gif-18859687

[naive rune]

technically speaking, a new planet is available but it is by "reliving" the memories of the Operator

[restive river]

"The adults turned on us. Did you do that?"

"The parents turned on you," the Queen corrected them graciously, prompted by the Glory that enveloped her. "The rest of the adults were spared. At first."

From Wally’s fanfic (Isleweaver)

[stiff fable]

Probably not. It'll either be an open world like Orb Vallis or something like Hollvania

[restive river]

Or something entirely different

[soft estuary]

I haven't done Isleweaver either. 😅 still at MR 11

[restive river]

Or the first planet of many

[soft estuary]

Wally's fanfic😭🤣

[stiff fable]

Mmm, maybe? There are still concerns about splitting the playerbase too far

[restive river]

That’s what it basically is lol
You’ll find out

[naive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-hope-dangerous-gif-27052852

[celest needle]

Wallys self insert fan fic

[fast dew]

Im trying to figure out how you'd tag isleweaver on ao3..

[restive river]

Def self insert

[soft estuary]

Are there good ao3 stories on warframe? Preferable about the Drifter and Arthur 🙃

[stiff fable]

no lol

[fast dew]

Self insert, reader insert, teen or general rating, major character death, archive warnings.. uhh

[stiff fable]

The only good Warframe fic is on FFN

[fast dew]

Other way around and

Yeah probably

[fast dew]

NOT FFN

[stiff fable]

ikr

[fast dew]

Shout out to ffn used that shit on my 2ds

[stiff fable]

But no it's actually great

[restive river]

I know what you are

[fast dew]

It is, i just wish their search system didn't suck as bad as it does sometimes

[soft estuary]

Sorry, it's almost midnight and my brain isn't "Englishing"

[fast dew]

Id rather FFN over Ao3

[soft estuary]

Author?

[fast dew]

Mm, ao3 does have a decent amount

[restive river]

Arthur lover

There’s a YouTuber who loves Arthur

[fast dew]

Genuinely had to filter out other relationships sometimes when looking at the alloid tags. Nothing pisses me off more

[restive river]

They were sad Ryoku isn’t datable LOL

[fast dew]

Than someone tagging a relationship WHEN ITS BARELY THERE

NO THE MENTION OF LOID LIKING ALBRECHT DOESNT WARRANT A MAJOR RELATIONSHIP TAG PUT THEM IN THE REGULAR TAGS

[celest needle]

Do it in game

[fast dew]

Rage

Hatred.
Anger.

[fast dew]

Write fanfic in region..

[stiff fable]

That'll be an improvement over the larping

[fast dew]

Ill do it too

Get my sad Albrecht fics out there

[restive river]

Unironically would be better than most things in region by
Probably a mile?

[celest needle]

Ao3
looks inside space sci fi franchise
MHA crossover

[fast dew]

Yeah that happens sometimes

[celest needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119965836648665098/1182083298005102642/ezgif-4-f828dfc4bd.gif

[fast dew]

I think doom might have one actually

Hold on time to check

[restive river]

KALYMOS NOOOOOO

[soft estuary]

Couldn't find on ao3 :/

[restive river]

Dang no arthur fanfics?

Pick up your pen

[soft estuary]

I mean, I couldn't find the fanfic with the title you mentioned

[restive river]

Oh that wasn’t a title lol

I was saying what you are lol

[soft estuary]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[restive river]

LMAO

[woven coyote]

Lol

Bet drifter was using yarelli

[fast dew]

IM SORRY WHY IS THERE.MORE THAN 5 😭

[fast dew]

Yareli slander 💔

[woven coyote]

Yarelli the lost twice in lore warframe, friends with koumei the liar frame who lies about weaving fate

[twin wigeon]

i will pelt you with dice

[woven coyote]

They will all roll 1s and fly back at you

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/encounter-party-encounterparty-dnd-dungeons-and-dragons-ttrpg-gif-9509166281428179867

[vestal vine]

If Warframes could eat (Unlike Grendel), what do they would like to eat?

[woven coyote]

With your proficiency modifier of +1 and dex of -1 and the roll of squints 8 you miss

[twin wigeon]

anything and everything

[twin wigeon]

wait no.

theyd eat organs and flesh according to Rhino Prime

[restive river]

Whatever our tenno wants to eat

All the flavor
None of the calories

[twin wigeon]

Square Spaghetti upon ye

[vestal vine]

Lets say Warframes are independent somehow

And they got a mouth

Like this guy:

[woven coyote]

Just look what lizzie did to poor flare

[twin wigeon]

I know I will die so I just watch with curious acceptance. The beast squats down, shovelling a heap of gore into its mouth. It is watching me with vague eyes, a sense of recognition, ancestral memory.

-Rhino Prime entry

[ocean geyser]

You’re making me remember that one guy that DOOM x Warhammer fantasy crossover

This also makes me remember that he’s terminally ill and is maybe already dead now

😔

Lemme throw the lore at you elsewhere

[restive river]

Gen 1 frames then
Good question

Did anyone mention the rhino who ate a guy?

[twin wigeon]

me me me!

[restive river]

:D

[twin wigeon]

[vestal vine]

DID RHINO EAT A GUY

[ocean geyser]

Rhino ate a guy

[restive river]

He ated a guy

[vestal vine]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-futurama-scream-picture-bender-gif-12262116222282761842

[pale cedar]

Rhino ate guy many

[restive river]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/rhino-prime/

[pale cedar]

Rhino was basically the Original Grendel

[stiff fable]

I think the worst part is that it confirms Warframes have mouths and digestive tracts

[vestal vine]

https://tenor.com/view/ay-que-miedo-yo-me-void-yo-mejor-me-void-me-void-mejor-me-void-void-gif-14013913473321679248

[vestal vine]

The thing is
Where

[pale cedar]

Helminth also confirms this

[stiff fable]

exactly

[vestal vine]

Excalibur is kinda easy, just look his evil smile:

But what about others like Mag

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/live-reaction-rhino-warframe-reapercord-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-gif-27294051

[restive river]

We know Umbra has a vestigial face too

[stiff fable]

The correct answer is that they have mouths under the masks

[restive river]

Look up peeled loki on the steam workshop for warframe

[stiff fable]

Which means they have to rip the masks open to feed

[restive river]

Its fan made but uh
Yeah

[fast dew]

Wdym peeled loki

[restive river]

Have you not

Welp
Time for Thomas’ right of passage ig

[fast dew]

Ducky can I pretty please get for a screenie

[restive river]

I do not want to send it you will have to search it lol

[fast dew]

Oh lord

Can't be as bad as the shit in doom

[stiff fable]

It's just a biblically accurate Warframe

[restive river]

It’s uncomfy lol

Maybe not to you Thomas
Ik what you’ve seen and what shows you enjoy
And its def goofy
But man. Bro got peeled

[vestal vine]

But somehow cant speak

[stiff fable]

Some can, it's just... Well.

[restive river]

That’s by design
Thank Ball ass

[stiff fable]

Vocal chords are VERY delicate

[vestal vine]

Looks like a condom

[restive river]

Stalker does the most speaking

[fast dew]

It feels a little silly yes, but I feel as if they could and should improve on the uncomfortable aspects

The nose existing does make me feel. Weird

[restive river]

Koumei and Uriel have speech to some degree iirc
Uriel’s may also be his goobers iirc

[vestal vine]

Follie has too

[restive river]

Look at when it was made lol

[fast dew]

Have you been using raw meat for protection??? What 😭

[glacial bough]

Considering how helminth works, I doubt frames have functioning digestive tracks. Helminth likely just directly injects whatever is needed for repair and upkeep

[restive river]

Do not be confused by Dante’s magic book, he does not speak
The book does

[vestal vine]

The closest are the strawberry ones

[stiff fable]

Follie afaik doesn't talk, but Valkyr vocalizes

[restive river]

Thanks Megan!

[stiff fable]

[restive river]

Her interview with shenpai was so fun lol

[fast dew]

Ah.

[fast dew]

They can vocalise, they just can't speak

Something something I have no mouth and i must scream

[celest needle]

Crack Genre mix

[vestal vine]

Does she?

[stiff fable]

Yeah

War Cry and Hysteria both have her scream

[celest needle]

I have no mouth and I must scream

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/allied-mastercomputer-am-ihnm-ihnmaims-i-have-no-mouth-hate-monologue-gif-2221310702094501623

Fun fact, the PC game version of I Have No Mouth has voice acting, and Harlan Ellison himself was the VA for AM

[vestal vine]

Oh yeah I remember

[errant crystal]

Anyone know what the other cephalons were like alive? Or is it just ordis that we know so far?

[fast dew]

Mm, suda, kinda

[dusk temple]

Melica

[errant crystal]

Yeah suda had dementia or something right?

I remember the kim message that mentions her

[dusk temple]

Oh wait, nvm

Ignore what i said

[strange turtle]

Using that roman goatskin

[restive river]

Basically

[stiff fable]

Otak, Drussus

Loid

[errant crystal]

Actually forgot about those 2 ngl

[dusk temple]

Don't we also know a touch about what Simaris was like before he became a cephalon?

[dire mountain]

But not the comic

[celest needle]

Otak discovered Argon btw

[stiff fable]

All we know for sure is that he only became obsessed with sanctuary AFTER he became Cephalon Simaris

According to Suda, who herself is off her rocker and may not be the best judge much less remember properly what he was like

[vestal vine]

Otak

THE Otak

https://tenor.com/view/warfr-otak-gif-7795215896660818354

[errant crystal]

Poor otak

[rigid compass]

Otak >>>>>> loid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human loid

[celest needle]

THEE OTAK

[rigid compass]

If mining is your power what are you without it?

[celest needle]

Minerals

[rigid compass]

WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 ORES?

[woven coyote]

Side thought, pretty cloudy the place suda lived in

Wonder if it was jupiter

[rigid compass]

So she did volunteer to become a cephalon. We're yall not saying she didnt like 5 days ago

[woven coyote]

You were probably trying to annoy people and started getting several messages mixed up

[rigid compass]

I said simaris did the same 😭

[woven coyote]

We have no evidence for simaris no

[restive river]

Doesn’t it have a more orangey atmosphere :?
Like even before the tileset rework

Ig we never saw above the clouds though

[woven coyote]

Hmmm maybe saturn?

[stiff fable]

I figure it was just Mars

Yeah the color's wrong but it looks like there's land to me

[restive river]

Mars does have blue skies

[stiff fable]

So it can't be a gas giant

[woven coyote]

Yeah but would mars have the humidity for all those clouds?

[restive river]

Maybe at one point?
What info do we have on it’s terraforming

Wrong chat

[stiff fable]

Also don't spam

[restive river]

yeah p sure spamming that is not the way to go

You didn’t
You said it in the other chats

[stiff fable]

In every chat

[dry dagger]

so what?

[restive river]

Be respectful

[stiff fable]

Step off, spammer

<@&778745217037238293>

[woven coyote]

Was checking but altra was on ceres

Inaros wont really help right? Think thats was already way post colapse

[restive river]

I believe so?

[stiff fable]

Hm maybe? Doesn't it mention a golden horde though

[restive river]

Horde or hoard

[stiff fable]

The Golden Skymen would come and take our children away. Young and old alike, cowered before them, afraid to lose their most beloved. But then he came. The Fear-eater. The skykiller. He was called Inaros!”

[shell tulip]

[stiff fable]

Huh he went rogue pre-Collapse

[shell tulip]

Stop being rude.

[restive river]

Based inaros?

[stiff fable]

Thanks Alyxis

[woven coyote]

Ash leverian already describes mars as having red dust

[stiff fable]

And, yeah, pretty brave

[glacial bough]

I would say it's unclear he went rogue pre-collapse

[restive river]

So the Orokin were bad at terraforming mars?

[glacial bough]

With the lack of return and retibution from the Orokin, I'd say it'd be right before the collapse kicked off

[stiff fable]

Or they left it for aesthetic reasons

[restive river]

Wait Baro saw Inaros, right
As a kid?
Or was that a legend he heard as a martian

[stiff fable]

Legend

[restive river]

Thank you :]

[stiff fable]

Inaros was broken by an outbreak of infested at some point

[restive river]

Oh so
Before they were sealed

[stiff fable]

Inaros began not as our king, but as our enemy; a warrior of the Golden Skymen. But for each child the Skymen took away, Inaros grew ever more angry, until one fateful night."

So, he absolutely went rogue during the Orokin Era

[restive river]

Sand boy is so based

[stiff fable]

"By the sand and stars, the Skymen raged. They set upon Inaros with their armies but none could prevail, for he commanded the sand, he commanded death. Inaros ate their fear and became stronger."

[restive river]

This is absolutely headcanon territory but
Gara and Inaros are either siblings or cousins

[stiff fable]

Interestingly, it seems Inaros might have had an Operator

[restive river]

And they didn’t send another tenno because-

Probably cause they would join him tbh

[stiff fable]

He ascended to a "throne in the sky", which to me says Orbiter

[restive river]

What did the gen 1 frames use actually?

[stiff fable]

We have no idea

I think the distinction is a little bit mm unnecessary too

[glacial bough]

Most every frame should be assumed to have an Operator unless the context doesn't allow for one

[stiff fable]

Jade was an original and not a copy, and was assigned a Tenno

[restive river]

Stalker was an original and didn’t get a tenno cause ig they weren’t worried about him?

[stiff fable]

Or he wasn't sent on missions

[restive river]

Kept as just a guardian, short leash nd all that

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[restive river]

I can see that

Jade likely got one cause she was sent out into the field and maybe cause she uh. Has access to The Jade Light

[dusk temple]

Makes you wonder what happened to Jade during the process of Helminth infection that gave her access to the Jade Light.

[restive river]

Well its tech so

[dusk temple]

Yeah, but how would Ballas have worked it in during the infection process without vaporizing her is my question.

[restive river]

Why would it vaporize her?

It’s just tech
He just needed to make it portable

[fast dew]

I mean

[dusk temple]

... It's the Jade Light?

[ocean geyser]

Ah found this again
I remembered someone having a response to me saying Stalker was basically a lapdog so he could see his family again

Maybe i was remembering the response differently

[fast dew]

There are far worse things contained in warframes

[twin wigeon]

Grendel

[restive river]

And?

[fast dew]

Yeah Grendel

[twin wigeon]

Qorvex

[restive river]

Myrmidons utilized it and they’re akin to frames

[dusk temple]

Quorvex is essentially a nuclear reactor right?

[restive river]

Yonta used it on the Zariman