lore-discussion

[rigid compass]

sucks ur insides out and turns it into a slushy for her

[ashen pulsar]

but yeah, eventually the protos will become normal warframes

[restive river]

There is for the Hex and unfortunately also for the Triad

[rigid compass]

LETS FRIGGING GO

[restive river]

Just
Go play The Hex quest lol

[ashen pulsar]

I wanna see a character that is a late-stage protoframe

[fast dew]

The humble Temple:
-# /j

[ashen pulsar]

like a warframe head with some human hair and stuff

[restive river]

I wanna see Roathe fully transform and lose his individuality

[umbral mist]

I'll after i finished the lotus eater

[ashen pulsar]

as if its a mask

[restive river]

Gogogogogo!

[ashen pulsar]

they act like a human but look like a warframe

[fast dew]

Oh lotus eaters is super short

[umbral mist]

who's the villain anyway dude just kinda show up

[ashen pulsar]

thats just a prologue

[restive river]

I think that’s a bit too far and defeats the point of the protos lol

[umbral mist]

probably tmr its 1:52am on a school night

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159566087059419156/1460387350294302914/IMG_7557.gif

[umbral mist]

i love the dude tho

[fast dew]

Wally, Albrecht isnt the villain if that's what you're asking

[ashen pulsar]

not entirely like a warframe
few human traits

[restive river]

The Man in the Wall is the current antagonist with Albrecht being a. Not so great guy but wants to stop the larger threat at hand

[fast dew]

Albrecht is on our side, ultimately

[umbral mist]

what a cool name

[restive river]

Ok but the point is that they have a face
I think at most you could do half or a quarter framed but not the entire face

[fast dew]

Albrecht or the man in the wall 😭

[naive rune]

sadly, we don't get to kill Balas a second time

[umbral mist]

i heard that he's the father of mother

[restive river]

The protos are loosely based off, to some extent, old fan designs that are just
People wearing warframe suits lol

[fast dew]

He is!

[rigid compass]

funny how yall all say that. my problem is that it strays from the sci-fi ness of warframe which is what attracted me to the story and the time spent making it not being used to make other content or adding more to existing content, railjack and duviri and necramech and archwing.

dont even reply cause ik we not agreeing on it 😭

[ashen pulsar]

but what if it was something like this, or even a mirage proto with a half-mask? A character that gives us real insight into how it feels to feel simultaneously human and infestation

[fast dew]

So like

Dark sector?

[restive river]

It fits perfectly fine within the story and it doesn’t take away from resources like you think it does lol

[rigid compass]

how does he get up after falling on the ground

[ashen pulsar]

idek, havent played mgrr actually

[rigid compass]

drifter a bum though. also the 1999 was fine but now they dragging it

[umbral mist]

well they have to continue the story

[restive river]

The humble Flare:
again though I think you’re kinda missing the point
If we did get something like that though it’d likely be for Dagath tbh

[rigid compass]

no they dragging protos

[fast dew]

Idk why folk think one thing existing takes away from the other, its almost as if they have separate people working on separate things

[rigid compass]

wait but imagine if those seperate people worked on.... railjack

[fast dew]

[Impossible]

[woven coyote]

The classic sci fi trait of.... not talking to anyone and not having relationships

Guess you must have hated mass effect

[fast dew]

Which. They don't know how to do

Why would writers do coding or the like?

[restive river]

Drifter does kinda suck ngl
The Hex were perfect
The Roundtable were def starting to stretch it
And the Triad is a dumpster fire

[rigid compass]

um i did drop the game but that was cause the gameplay sucked buns

[restive river]

It’s literally an entirely different part of the team lol

[fast dew]

People aren't always able to work on everything in a game, they have specialities

[rigid compass]

hire more coders fire the writes (dating writers not story writers)

[fast dew]

Why?

[ashen pulsar]

flare is fighting against lizzie, who speaks for the infestation
I want to know what someone who literally is balancing on the edge of infested madness feels

[fast dew]

Its not like they have a tight budget

[restive river]

We need a new writer for KIM chats 100% 😭

[fast dew]

I told you she sucked but yall never listen/lh

[rigid compass]

im not seriously suggesting it

[restive river]

A Nidus proto would be good for that

[tall echo]

I am, hire more coders fire the writers

[naive rune]

David Bowie as a warframe ❤️

[restive river]

She did fine for the hex and for the roundtable
The triad is the main pain point lol

[restive river]

They’re so cool 😭

[naive rune]

The Warframe that stole the world

[rigid compass]

yeah pretty much. though albrecht shouldve been a 1-time time traveler rather than doctor who and the protos restricted to 1999 as albrechts anti techrot plan

[fast dew]

Yeah, because it was what she is familiar with writing, Roathe is genuinely most of the men she writes 😭 same goes with Marie, she just didn't show it in the earlier iterations for some reason

[naive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-octavia-warframe-flare-warframe-temple-warframe-war-frame-gif-8300839463386878759

[ashen pulsar]

I suggested mirage

[umbral mist]

will they make proto for all frames

[livid holly]

Do y'all think there is any life to be found in tau besides the sentients?

[fast dew]

She can write good characters sometimes she just

Falls into the same patterns when writing whatever the hell Roathe is

[restive river]

I mean he needs to be able to go back and fourth and we’ve yet to see where else he’s gone
Which
He was only going to other places cause he was trying to find a safe spot iirc
Also we don’t know what his plan was with any of the protos lol
They ain’t an anti-techrot plan though I can tell you that

[rigid compass]

ill accept the roathe hate only cause hes a proto not cause hes checks everything in the hater box

[fast dew]

Arthur has hints on it imo

But its not obnoxious like Roathe is

[restive river]

Potentially

[restive river]

Not anymore
Did you play the old peace?

[rigid compass]

why did he need the coffin from whispers to go 1999 then if he can just do wtv now?

[restive river]

I will give props to how insufferable he is

[rigid compass]

like i dont think they thought this through

[livid holly]

I did but if I remember that was a very long time ago due to lore so there could technically be new life on tau

[restive river]

I think Roathe is partially well written but in the
He is awful and I don’t want to talk to him way lol

[naive rune]

I can't stand Roathe

[fast dew]

I personally don't think he can do whatever now, I believe all protos were done before his last trip to 1999

[woven coyote]

When he travelled to the triad wasnt after his last travel with the coffin

And for going to tau there was the reactor

[restive river]

Well
No, not really
The only life ever discovered there was the xenoflora and that is likely extinct :p

[rigid compass]

potentially yes. due to the fact lotus says we need to find sentients like adis

[fast dew]

I also do not believe he is in tau either, I don't understand logistically how he'd actually survive there

[restive river]

Also the life you’re likely thinking of is like
Creatures
Animals
Aliens
DE doesn’t do that with Warframe

[rigid compass]

which his healing ability is likely linked to the flowers

[twin wigeon]

So uhhhhh

[restive river]

You want aliens? Go play Soulframe.

[rigid compass]

they wont... for now

[naive rune]

🎶 Druids play free🎶

[restive river]

No
Not ever
If they do aliens properly it isn’t Warframe anymore.

[rigid compass]

well i personally think it isnt warframe when they added dating

[twin wigeon]

Any theories about how Erra survived the “first” attack back at the reservoir but recovered by new war? He says Lotus misremembered but whats that likelihood

[fast dew]

Boo hoo lowkey

[restive river]

Ok but dating and the kim chats actually fit into the themes of the game, aliens don’t lol

[rigid compass]

yes yes ik. but in 10 years they got no story and its gotta go somewhere

[rigid compass]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH THEEEEEEEEEMEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS

capping hard btw

[restive river]

Bro is allergic to literature

[woven coyote]

That has been made abundantly clear

[rigid compass]

i hate english

[rigid compass]

thomas too

[strange turtle]

Secret Zariman 10-1 and 10-2 that went to Sirius and Orion

[restive river]

It genuinely sounds like Worm just doesn’t like Warframe sometimes lol

[fast dew]

Get over it, that's the direction it's going now. You can criticise the writing when warranted, but you can't deem that something that absolutely fits into the game as something "un-warframe-like"

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1503883402871574712/image.gif

[livid holly]

Do y'all think we could save erra or do we even know what is 'occupying' his body

[fast dew]

Like shit just cuz you can't understand how warframe is going doesn't mean its doing to shit

[restive river]

Pazuul is
And hopefully but prob not unless Narmer gets a new martyr

[rigid compass]

10 years bro they aint gonna have any story after tau without it being asspull after asspull

[strange turtle]

We do. The 4th Archon. Pazuul/The Ram

[naive rune]

the Hex are great characters, I liked how they are all hurt but the Drifter helps them be their best selves and they in turn help the Drifter heal some of the immense emotional damage the Drifter has suffered

[restive river]

I love how Drifter can talk to and help them in regards to endless loop trauma

[rigid compass]

the drifter sucks lets burn him at the stake with a void fire made from thousands of child soldiers

[strange turtle]

He’s supposedly somewhere in there still but Pazuuls kinda. Narmers only main guy.

So he’s probably not getting saved for a long time unless Pazuul gets a new body too

[fast dew]

Traumatised folk often can help other folk
-# other times it makes it worse but yk

[rigid compass]

we see in tau ig

[restive river]

Or
We rip off Pazuul

[naive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[fast dew]

-# Meant to reply to this mb

[restive river]

Oh
Hey
Maybe that’s why Lotus wants a healing unit like Adis
Not for herself but for her brother, her father, possibly even her mother

[fast dew]

Yeah thats what I've been saying

[restive river]

Also traumabonding!

[restive river]

Pay no mind to the worm in the dirt

Ain’t even a cool worm like
Orowyrms
Or worm queen
Or worms as in sentients /j

[fast dew]

True! Its a useful tool

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-tool-mickey-mouse-mickey-clubhouse-gif-18764497

[naive rune]

the Operator is like my kid and so the Drifter is like my kid grown up

[fast dew]

Other times it sucks and not good but as long as the boundaries are respected, traumabonding is useful!

[naive rune]

reminds me of going through basic
(army life sucks)

[fast dew]

So I've heard

[strange turtle]

Yeah. And then he’d need to get a new body like I suggested unless they wanted to introduce some random new guy, since they’d have to have a bunch of characters to introduce in a short time first otherwise

[naive rune]

Arthur and Qunicy actually talk a little bit about it

[fast dew]

Mmhm

[naive rune]

it is a good reminder they used to be military

everybody else is a form of civilian

[fast dew]

They are written well for it, from what I've heard from others. I have no actual weight in it but I do value the opinions on my friends who've gone through similar

[rigid compass]

MOTHERS GONE!!

• erra back when he wasnt ballas' good boy

[rigid compass]

what is worms as in sentient 😭

[rigid compass]

lowkey giving u bread (its not good for ducks)

[tall echo]

the grineer refer to the sentients as worms

[rigid compass]

-_-

aint their queen a worm. ig im asking too much of rotting slaves to think

[restive river]

Yeah I’m aware
I’m giving you salt

[rigid compass]

wait no gimme spice

[restive river]

Nope
You get salt

[rigid compass]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mark-grayson-bluecollarsponge-6yjIpW75a6wxo5ZOFL

SEA SALT I NEED YOU

[tall echo]

not literally tbf

and only the elder called her one

[rigid compass]

ik still weird though

[woven coyote]

Quincy, arthur, lettie and aoi were military

Amir and eleanor were the two civilians

[naive rune]

I thought Aoi was a mechanic and lettie was a doctor while Amir was a hacker and Eleanor was a journalist

[tall echo]

military mechanic and doctor

or well, medic for sure, aoi might've just been a normal soldier with mechanic knowledge

[woven coyote]

She was specifically in arthurs unit yeah

And lettie was close enough to go to aoi with chocolates when arthur and aoi broke up

[woven coyote]

Man parts like this are the ones that made me start liking quincy

When he lets go of the rough guy façade and just admits he is worried about people

[celest needle]

Quincy please I can barely understand you

[woven coyote]

It's not really that hard

[white goblet]

is taking the hex/triad into the origin system canon?

like gemini skins exist, but how canon is that?

[tall echo]

yesn't

[vestal vine]

Could Glem get a Kuva upgrade and not die when I help him

[white goblet]

i see ok

then why can't the hex meet the triad, i wonder

[rigid compass]

Cause thankfully DE tryna not make a bunch more dialogue for protoslop

[rigid compass]

Cant we just say they aint like ik some skins are canon but why DE gonna make those semi canon like bruh

[rigid compass]

KUVA CLEM

Clem solos wally

This is canon btw

[stiff folio]

Unfortunately Eternalism gave the freedom to make virtually anything canon

[strange plinth]

only theoretically accessible n all that

[fluid charm]

Hi everyone looking for friends to have fun with in warframe
If you could do message me

[unique talon]

Considering what he has done with Umbra and the whole sentient race, I would go for Ballas

[stiff folio]

Me basically yeah

[humble sierra]

In the Hex he's visibly pissed off by Albrecht's nonchalantness

Isleweaver was about him being petty and taking the Kingdom that the Drifter valued

He lowkey married into royalty so

Drifter
Operator

[fast dew]

True..

You do kinda just become whelp-y when marrying into the entrati family

Its the curse

Cept for loid, maybe cuz he aint married into it but still

[dire mountain]

And kalymos

Thats because shes a cat

[fast dew]

Kalymos is a demanding car

[umbral mist]

is that actually hunhow coming to pick up his grandkid(s)

[umbral mist]

in the trailer

[vestal vine]

Loyd is married with mining

[pine thistle]

I wonder if a non Tenno can get void powers

Somehow

[vestal vine]

It shouldn't matter

The guy of the wall gave us by threat, I suppose applys for each person

[restive river]

It is actually him
We don’t know if he’s breaking out himself or due to them

[vestal vine]

Just imagine Glem with the power of the void

[restive river]

Through a very particular deal with Wally they could, yes

[restive river]

Clem

[vestal vine]

I just realized why its called Wally

Wall

[restive river]

Ye

[vestal vine]

And Y

[restive river]

Wally is the community’s name

[vestal vine]

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-gif-26734335

[fast dew]

Thats otak

[vestal vine]

I never see him complaining 🥶

[fast dew]

Also like. ||Wrong loid||

[vestal vine]

No way

There's two

[fast dew]

DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT

😭

[dire mountain]

What is the latest quest you've done 😭

[vestal vine]

Right after the man in the wall quest

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[vestal vine]

Before*

[dire mountain]

A name please 😭

[vestal vine]

Whispers in the wall (?)

[dire mountain]

Okay you're on the verge of new truths

[vestal vine]

After new war

[vestal vine]

I can bet

[dire mountain]

You could even say the truth shall bloom

[strange plinth]

this is like teshin saying 'its so simple even a child could do it'
evil

[pine thistle]

Also would it be fair to say that despite his ultimate loss at the end, Ballas did manage to (temporarily) avenge the defeat of the Orokin Empire at the hands of the Tenno by reclaiming control of the Origin System under Narmer?

[vestal vine]

I'll do it later, rn I only wanna rank up Deimos syndicate

And do the circuit

[strange plinth]

i mean, why would he be avenging the orokin
he set up their downfall

[dire mountain]

That is one of the funniest lines in the game

[restive river]

He was the one wanting their downfall so uh
No

Stalker is the closest we’ve gotten to someone wanting to avenge the Orokin

[ocean geyser]

Found this on a reddit post on the possibilities of us encountering enemy tenno
Theory aside, how is Narmer implied in the Tennocon logo? Its not red, there's no narmer logo, and there's no upside down lotus symbol

tf is this guy talkin bout

unless they mean the background

[strange plinth]

sentient energy pattern + the red-ish background
also the tennocon logo (the small one for the glyph) is red

tau has been linked with blue a ton, narmer's linked with red

[ocean geyser]

i see

fair enough

that reddish splotch in the bottom left is sorta Murex-ish so i get it

[dire mountain]

Who has the digital pack glyph

I do but not the png on hand

[celest needle]

-# Healed, the pain of independence
-# Strong, our wise and trusted friend
-# We, united in one vision
-# Rise to sing of sorrow's end

[ocean geyser]

oh okay yeah

especially with the big spike at the top

[tall echo]

Wonder if we'll ever get faction symbols as sigils

[strange plinth]

that'd be cool

[pine thistle]

He still got rid of those who directly caused it. He plotted for the fall but at the end of the day he pulled no trigger

It was the Tenno who slaughtered the Orokin to a man

[tall echo]

Ok but
He wouldn't care to avenge the empire

[slate hill]

Alright is someone smart and nerdy enough to know what Wally is as a whole ? Like is he A VOID like a entire dimension or separate plain of existence and non-existence ?

[vestal vine]

Wdym by avenge?

[tall echo]

Wally is wally

[restive river]

his plan never had him pulling the trigger
yet it was still his plan lol

[tall echo]

Wally is not the void

[strange plinth]

he's a being of the void, made by a guy that broke in (most likely)
he is not the void

[restive river]

Stalker no like that we killed the empire

[dire mountain]

Well. Wally is the Void but the Void is not Wally more or less

[vestal vine]

Im the void

[slate hill]

No no not that 'It is what it is nonsense' I need to understand what's this thing and is there a way to defeat it that doesn't require the ontological weapons from doctor who to wound it ?'

[restive river]

short answer: we dont know
long answer: from everything we have he seems to be a product of conceptual embodiment, Albrecht's fear and other emotions manifest, he likely sees himself as some emmisary or embodiment of the void if for no other reason than it is why he exists in any capacity at all

[slate hill]

Because the closest thing that could hurt it are from the Doctor Who Universe .

[strange plinth]

that's the question, isn't it?

[restive river]

we stop him just fine with love lol

[strange plinth]

When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent.
(part of the) stalker codex entry

[restive river]

we
dont
know

[lean garden]

ontological weapons? Old man yaoi already was able to drive it off

we are well equipped

[celest needle]

Just call em doktor friday 🥀

[restive river]

you can view Wally as similar to the Not Things
He's this weird thing and we don't have an actual solid answer lol

[restive river]

we got a crazy love arsenal

old man yaoi
familial bonds
found family
general romantic love

[tall echo]

What

[slate hill]

Driving it off does not mean hurting it ... That's like a guard dog keeping coyotes away but they still try to find new ways to get close and pick at the guard dog . Except they get angry each time one of them is killed off .

[tall echo]

It does """hurt""" it too

[restive river]

it repels him
idk if it hurts him

the only thing to hurt him was the door closing on him, hence the finger
which
that didnt really hurt him
meanwhile love actually has an effect

[tall echo]

Besides wally can't easily return to places he's been repelled from

[restive river]

Wally doesn't have a defined physical form so you can't really hurt him iwth like
a special gun lol

[celest needle]

Doktor Friday? The one who helped treat the poor people infected by the Techrot in Höllvania?

What a wonderful guy

[tall echo]

Repel wally from everywhere and we can sandwich wally into nothing

[restive river]

Doktor Friday and his husband Mr. Friday

[pine thistle]

I just found out there was a statue of Nitokh you could’ve gotten in the last event that ended literally 3 days before I came back home from college

Bruh. That just ruined my whole evening

[restive river]

eh she was awful anyay

unless you wanted spoons in her eyes

[slate hill]

From what I've seen so far it comes off as a more dangerous version of Teshin trying to get us to learn at our own pace and the bad part is we are too lazy , scared or unwilling to take up the training routine and work needed to be upto acceptable levels .

[restive river]

what?

[pine thistle]

My orbiter is painted white and gold and so is my railjack, do you really think I wouldn’t have wanted an executor statue to compliment that? 😭😭

[restive river]

ah
reclaiming their fashion
go off

or ig just claiming it lol

[slate hill]

Which one though ? Ballas , Nitok or the others who come accross as rejects or slobs ?

[tall echo]

[slate hill]

The fact that Necroloid and Kaya suddenly showed up with deep archimidian missions ? Making us use weak XP trash weapons against high level enemies some how ?

[restive river]

gameplay > lore

[slate hill]

If we die , like Darksouls we gotta start all the way from the beginning ?

[restive river]

also its just random weapons, its up to you if you've obtained and built them lol

[tall echo]

...you're the one keeping the bad weapons bud

[slate hill]

Yeah but what if the Gameplay IS part of the Lore and continuity ?

[restive river]

its trash cause you aint buildin em

[tall echo]

It rolls partially based on your owned gear

[restive river]

you're overthinking it though

those both have lore but that gameplay aspect isnt part of it lol

[strange plinth]

it'll always have something that you own, in each category iirc
remove the trash and you'll always have a viable build

[tall echo]

Ye

[slate hill]

Or maybe none of the weapons are bad they need to be upgraded and modded to their full potential as fast as possible while trying to find a perfect synergy to off high level enemies .

[tall echo]

This week I got to use my boi grendel

And. Some advert weapons I can't get rid of

[restive river]

or its arbitrary difficulty because RNG lol

[slate hill]

It had weapons listed that I did not use . Just mastered for XP .

[tall echo]

No

[tall echo]

Then sell them?

[restive river]

LOL

[tall echo]

I worry for the intellect of ppl who keep mastery fodder

[lean garden]

love has been directly stated as its weakness by its number 1 hater. Even in your own analogy requires the threat of hurt to even be complete

[restive river]

Me with my collection of multiple dex weapons

[tall echo]

I have no dex weapons bc they suck

[restive river]

Untrue + you believe utility/support weapons dont exist

[slate hill]

How do you explain the sudden increase in people using Bo prime and the sudden drop of God stat rivens ?

[lean garden]

Bo prime incarnon?

Like thats a pretty good reason for the bo's alleged usage increase

[tall echo]

The dex stuff doesn't have any support or utility to it

[slate hill]

Yeah that , but the stick was not good at all except for a few people with mental illness using it to take up high level enemies before deep archimidian and other missions outside of simaris and his simulacrum

[lean garden]

isnt dex sybaris up there as an option next to sybaris prime to use for the incarnon

[tall echo]

Besides I managed to accidentally make my grimoire kill well so it's redeemed itself

[pine thistle]

I will replace this damn ugly portrait of Albrecht with it when it comes back into the shop

[restive river]

That bit was separate lol

[tall echo]

...full black minerva...?

[fast dew]

Albrecht's portrait is fine 😭

[tall echo]

Said albrecht lover #2

[fast dew]

Should use Yonta's portrait

[fast dew]

I JUST THINK HES HANDSOME GOD FORBID I LIKE FAT MEN

-# this is a joke

[tall echo]

He's not even fat

[fast dew]

Fym

In that portrait he is

Thats like

Half the reason i like that portrait

Dadbod Albrecht

[tall echo]

Your minimum for fat is very low apparently

[fast dew]

Have

Have you looked at that portrait

[tall echo]

He's like
Barely out of shape

[fast dew]

Brother barely has a jawline

[tall echo]

Not in detail

[fast dew]

Well here it is

man boobs spotted
waist? What's that
softer jawline
stomach

Like he isnt super obese or nothing but he is chubby lol

[tall echo]

Yea not fat, just. Out of shape

[pine thistle]

I could replace one of the statues of Terry, Garry, or Harry

But Nitokh might be too big for the front

Also I like having the holy trinity up front

[fast dew]

Brother he.
Is fat. Hes chubby. He's far from out of shape lol

[celest needle]

Any haircut and he chooses bald dreads

[fast dew]

He isnt obese but he is chubby, he has. Fat 😭

And he shaves his chest. The weirdo

[humble sierra]

I wonder if the Refacia could make them red if it was trendy

[tall echo]

Those two things are still seperate

[fast dew]

It could just be what his hair demanded

They seem natural

[pine thistle]

Idk I think the orokin themed railjack goes hard

[fast dew]

????

Being chubby is. Connected to having fat

I shouldn't need to defend this as hard as I am

He is. Fat. Not obese, just. Chubby. But that still means he is. Fat. I aint saying it in any negative way, but thats just what it is

[tall echo]

Having and being isn't the same

[fast dew]

Good lord

[tall echo]

[fast dew]

Scrap

Theres having a normal amount of fat

And there's what bluebrecht has

He is. Fat. Because he has an excess of fat. Causing him to be chubby.

[tall echo]

I feel like we're both missing the point the other is trying to make

[fast dew]

I feel as if. You are not listening. Chubby is a type of fat shrimple as that

He isnt. Slightly out of shape, dude looks mildly pregnant

[tall echo]

Fat is a tier above chubby

[unique talon]

What's the lore of Follie? Did Ballas build the ink machine or something? XD

[drowsy briar]

I got ink demon vibes too lol

[tall echo]

She may be the therapist, maybe isn't, maybe was used for transference therapy, maybe devs forgot to make the lore clear enough, maybe they didn't

[pine thistle]

You know who isn’t fat? Operator. Actually despite being in cold stasis for however long they seem to be in rather good shape

[tall echo]

The result of net zero energy gain and .:|:;

[fast dew]

Yeah, they don't want to add additional body shapes for whatever reason

Maybe in the future

[dusk temple]

They’ve been a glorified ice cube for the past millennia. And were a child soldier before that. So it kind of makes sense. Especially since they do the same thing nowadays too.

[fast dew]

Ehhhh

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-speed-ishowspeed-laugh-meme-speed-laugh-gif-6267705318207350410

-# This muckass meme

[fast dew]

Considering the majority of the fighting isn't really done by them, its not exactly impossible for the operator to gain weight

[strange plinth]

unlike chell

[dusk temple]

I’m totally down for more body types to be added for Operator/Drifter.

[fast dew]

Theres also the whole.

Did their metabolism slow down and were they still being fed during the cryo

[somber haven]

What's the thought process like in an average scaldra operative's head when they start seeing eldritch abominations appear out of thin air to fight with them

[strange plinth]

'well they aren't killing me, so..' /s

[celest needle]

Neci brought reinforcements

[lean garden]

"man, effervon's hitting harder today huh"

[pine thistle]

Maybe but I’d prob keep my operator the same cause my headcanon is that she goes out of her way to train to stay in shape. Esp since in like 75% of the missions I do I end up switching to operator to void sling and such

So she’s always in the fight somehow

Having a warframe is no reason not to take care of yourself

[celest needle]

I got something even better

[stiff folio]

Operators probably don't lose weight since the void seemingly gives them eternal life, at the cost of never aging.

[pine thistle]

Ngl I just realized, the amount of bodies Operator probably dropped canonically is insane

Probably more than all of the Hex combined

[dire mountain]

"Guess we doing eldritch horrors now"

[pine thistle]

Throw in the extras like Minerva and Velimir too

Shits probably like 1,000+ atp

[strange plinth]

they're not immortal, and they do age

[pine thistle]

Operator the only one who can one up Arthur on war stories 😭

[strange plinth]

-# Lotus: "How could Rell have lived this long? Without the long dream?"
-# Palladino: "In a way, he didn't. He knew his mortality would undo his purpose, so he gave up his humanity, forever. He committed his soul to the undying vessel-"
-# Lotus: "His Warframe."
-# Palladino: "Yes. He commanded we chain it within the depths of the sacred temple. An eternal vigil against the Indifference."

• rell dying at the end of chains
  lotus mourns the mirage in hidden messages, implying the damage went past the warframe and into the tenno
  that bit in old peace where we actually just die for a sec

[dire mountain]

And in the new war after getting stabbed

That was very much the tenno dying

Well not even dying they were dead there

[celest needle]

"LOHK XATA, VAK JAHU, JASS"

"Funny words magic hand thing"

[pine thistle]

Tfw you kill your biggest opp and she still comes back to spin the block on you one more time

Needed to make sure Ballas got waxed that time

[strange plinth]

'not even hell was hot enough to split them' or whatever

[dire mountain]

I mean it did kinda split them if you think about it

[pine thistle]

No wonder everyone is terrified of us

Operator might be the child out of the pair but they’re definitely the more vicious one

Drifter got calmed down by having the Hex and such

[strange plinth]

drifter's just been killed thousands of times, operator is a war criminal

[pine thistle]

I really wonder how the Hex would react to talking to the Operator.

They think Viktor is bad with the war crimes? Ha

Viktor is a chump

Operator would eat the Scaldra for breakfast

[dire mountain]

Viktor would be dead by 12:30 AM on January 1st if the operator was there i think

[pine thistle]

Yeah because the Operator doesn’t care. Hex operate on working together and orders and the such. Drifter does well with that and since they consider Hex family would go along with that. Operator would be like “ha” and gear up and just start wiping shit out

[strange plinth]

drifter would probably be capable of doing the same
just a question of if it'd be worth it
viktor will be back in the next loop anyway

[dire mountain]

True

I do think operator would prefer to take him out every time though

[humble sierra]

They forgor

[pine thistle]

They remember the Old War now iirc

[dire mountain]

Parts of it

[humble sierra]

Yep just wanted to make a funny

Also they probably don't remember their actions during the Night of Naga Drums because from my understanding they were put into the Dream then at the end of Old Peace?

[strange plinth]

would've been in the dream then, yea

[pine thistle]

Also what gives the Operator an edge if that the Drifter is probably holding back

Drifter is more compassionate and emphatic I think.

But you know what they say, madness and greatness both share a face. Operator definitely somewhat succumbed to the madness

So they would be willing to go further

[stiff folio]

Wouldn't the main issue here be that the Drifter has the time loop power and the Operator is not shown to have that?

[pine thistle]

Yes, but the Operator also has direct training as a soldier and a level of mastery over their powers at a level the Drifter wouldn’t be able to match

While as I said sharing the face of madness and greatness

They would be far more violent than the drifter would be willing to reach

[ashen pulsar]

drifter's never started a time loop through their own power

[pine thistle]

I’ll put it like this I think

In a life or death situation, I don’t think the Drifter would be able to bring themselves to kill the Operator; but the Operator would be willing to kill the Drifter

[split horizon]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1505128-qol-suggestion-allow-players-to-assign-custom-colors-to-individual-squadmate-names-nametags/#comment-13538322

[stiff folio]

Isn't that literally the plot of Duviri? Like they punch the ground and restart? They even do it in 1999

[strange plinth]

both timeloops already existed
they have the ability to control an existing loop, but not make a new one

[dire mountain]

Yeah

Never created a loop they've only been able to take control of ones that already exist

[stiff folio]

Between all the unreliable narrators and implicated instead of stated lore, Warframe's story really is a headache

[dusk temple]

Didn’t Drifter make Duviri through conceptual embodiment though? This creating the time loop that is Duviri?

[strange plinth]

in a roundabout way
but the throne controls the loop

[lean garden]

duviri wasnt looping when it was made

[strange plinth]

thrax started the loop

[lean garden]

things only started looping when drifter tried to leave

[fast dew]

Mhm

[lean garden]

^ cuz a goober didnt wanna be alone or whatever

[fast dew]

The loop might just come from the nature of how the tales of Duviri is structured

[dusk temple]

So the universe created the loop to keep reality from bugging out and used Thrax as the instrument to do so?

[stiff folio]

There's a lot of things we just don't really know, which are only implied or alluded to, never outright stated, or given to us by unreliable narrators

[fast dew]

Wh

[fast dew]

Yeah thats how lore kinda works

Unless you visibly see a flashback of what happened, its gunna be a little unreliable

[strange plinth]

that's when you look for common pieces from different sources
figure out what is reliable and what isn't

[dire mountain]

Or unless its The Voice of God

[fast dew]

You're not gonna get unbiased records of things unless they're a completely undamaged, unedited recording

[dire mountain]

Pull up the extraordinary circumstances screenshot

[lean garden]

To caveat, drifter does have the ability to loop time, but it seems to be presently limited in places where time is in a loop

such as duviri or 1999

[fast dew]

They need an external force to start the loop

[lean garden]

because homie isnt doing it in the present time

[fast dew]

Remember the person who refused to accept that 1999 had a loop prior to us doing it?

[lean garden]

vaguely

[strange plinth]

the nuke reversing at the start of the quest:

[dire mountain]

Yeah thats kinda how storytelling works. You can't just tell everything you gotta show it and leave things a bit open

[fast dew]

It doesn't narrow it down at all hold on

[stiff folio]

It makes it hard to engage in conversation on my end tbh, I don't really feel like I can accept anything I know, or read ingame, on the chance it's misdirection or misleading, or even retconned

[dire mountain]

Like they don't go super out of their way to spell out "Kullervo tried to kill Ballas and then himself afterwards before falling into duviri"

[humble sierra]

Tbf that's just how information works. Take it at face value if it's said bluntly, if it's vague just make assumptions but don't think anything is concrete, and if it changes in the future, think about it differently

[strange plinth]

retcons will happen in a 13 year old game
its. a consequence of story being built as it goes
but its just a little extra work to find other sources on the same event

[dire mountain]

But its like the children singing mention it and even the warden mentions how "the fool sought oblivion"

[lean garden]

but also we've not had much in the way of retcons in warframe anyway

[strange plinth]

yea i can't think of any major examples
not that were like. super important anyway

[celest needle]

The entire old peace lol

like MOST of it was built upon retcons

[twin wigeon]

Usurper…

[lean garden]

que

Im not sure what you think was a retcon in top

[strange plinth]

eh, old peace was put in the middle of an era we were aware of but had no detail on
there's nothing to retcon there

[stiff folio]

Alad V dying at least twice is also fairly confusing, especially with the lore for him mostly being external content that isn't available ingame anymore

[strange plinth]

like the tenno council thing from the loading screen tips
and uhh. nova's original origin? iirc she was a modern frame or something
but those aren't big aspects of story

[strange plinth]

we love the butchering of the alad v storyline /s
he's still alive too

[fast dew]

Nevermind they're still active here so I won't say anything

[lean garden]

Tenacious lil bugger aint he

[twin wigeon]

Tenacious bond

[fast dew]

But they were. Very adamant that both Loid and Drifter were wrong lol

[strange plinth]

-# gradivus dilemma > hunt for alad v > zanuka fight > suspicious shipments > breeding grounds > mutalist incursions > patient zero > second dream > shadow debt > hostile mergers > ropalolyst > new war > ??? but still alive
-# italics are in-game

[fast dew]

Tenacious D..

[strange plinth]

anyway what's the chance alad gets involved with tau

[fast dew]

Tua

[lean garden]

I mean...

[strange plinth]

yeah

[lean garden]

if hes actually scarne or tormis...

[fast dew]

Tua..

[strange plinth]

not including if, on the offchance, he was already there

[lean garden]

THINK GUYS THINK

Why else do you think salad needed to be cured of the infestation

you cant do continuity while infested

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-22886162

[twin wigeon]

Because he’s sick in the head and body

[lean garden]

yes thank you I needed that

[twin wigeon]

Yonk

[fast dew]

The crunched version specifically or

[dire mountain]

This is how it feels spreading my constellations dualism agenda

[lean garden]

any

[strange plinth]

that one makes sense actually !

[dire mountain]

It does i hope I'm right about it

[fast dew]

How it feels lecturing a Albrecht hater for their wrong information

[twin wigeon]

How it feels to spread Koumei propaganda (she’s the best)

[fast dew]

-# sometimes they make up some wild shit to hate him for and its insane

[twin wigeon]

Albrecht is not hatable, given his situation

[fast dew]

Still not over. "Albrecht must've abused Euleria because look at how she turned out"

[normal mountain]

My brain wanted to make a joke along the lines of "a religion about dueling"
But then it started turning into a Yu-Gi-Oh reference, so I squashed it

[celest needle]

not as good as my living nuclear reactor

[dire mountain]

Albrecht is hateable for what he does because of it though

[twin wigeon]

The results are hatable and I don’t think he has the time to circle back even if he could

[fast dew]

Idk man i think Euleria just knew her dad better than everyone and knew he didn't let himself die

[strange plinth]

ugh i need to play koumei more
-# but voruna,,

[fast dew]

Insane that she got that right btw

Her calculations were. Correct

[twin wigeon]

Given the Void Trail theory that albrecht and us are weakening the membrane for Wally to invade

[humble sierra]

Only retcon I can think of is instances of Nihil being called an executor being removed

[fast dew]

I do believe in this theory, but less weakening the membrane permanently, more just. Pinching it? Bringing the void closer to the surface ykim

[normal mountain]

...wrinkling it, perhaps?

[twin wigeon]

Like two magnets being brought together?

[fast dew]

Only a temporary issue, imo, if all void tech was to stop, i believe wally would have a harder time accessing the origin system, if not impossible if it weren't for us

[strange plinth]

oh yea
even then, the other executors weren't super important
and it was fixed in the update that made them more important
hell, tormis and scarne still have next to no detail

[fast dew]

Yeah! I like using magnets to explain weird void shenanigans actually

[dire mountain]

True we have like one detail about both

Actually two details for scarne

[fast dew]

Like the whole. kicking the dupe out of the timeline thing

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Makes me wonder if Rell got a 15 minute break when Grandmother broke the Heart of Deimos

[twin wigeon]

Mhm lots of background void energy acting as radiation

Although I guess the sanctum acts as an anchor as well

[fast dew]

Mm, unfortunately he wouldn't. He himself is a source of void :(

[normal mountain]

Ah well
Was a thought

[strange plinth]

scarne - led the peace party, made the void towers
tormis - started the old war lmfao?????

[fast dew]

Its the thought that matters

[fast dew]

Tormis my beloved

[normal mountain]

also surprised no one got my Wrinkle in Time reference

[fast dew]

I should draw him and nihil kissing actually

[twin wigeon]

We got it

[fast dew]

Once I get home

[dire mountain]

I havent thought about wrinkle in time since like sixth grade 😭

[fast dew]

I dont think ive actually heard of it, i really shouldve but also my education was far from normal

-# special ed moment

[normal mountain]

That would make sense
Tragic sense, but sense nonetheless

Look it up sometime, the books are pretty good

Movie was decent

[fast dew]

I am surprisingly literate for a person with 6 years of formal schooling lol

-# you're supposed to have 13/14 here

[twin wigeon]

Smort Thomas

[twin wigeon]

Archimedean Thomas

[fast dew]

[twin wigeon]

:3

I wonder how alien the sentients are gonna look on Tau

[fast dew]

Mm, evolved to their idea of perfection

Humanoid.

[stiff folio]

I like to think the various wildlife in Duviri is a good guess.

I recall kaithes and tamms and such being shown on stickers in the Zariman?

[fast dew]

Yeah, Duviri is based on the Tales of Duviri, which is a picture book. The dog in Duviri as a skin comes from Mother getting it commissioned as a gene set, i assume Kaithes are the same.

[dire mountain]

I do want to see more sentient beasts

[stiff folio]

Where's the lore of Mother commissioning it as a gene set? Duviri fragments?

They're still kinda something I need to complete since doing them without a guide is... miserable

[fast dew]

If you own the skin thing it'll be there

Iirc you could get it from Ticker on star days

[strange plinth]

Euleria Entrati commissioned this unique Kubrow DNA segment to manifest a creature from the storybook, Tales of Duviri.
from the description of the fabled skin set

[stiff folio]

Huh. Was that changed at some point?

[fast dew]

I assume the Kavat version is the same

The colour scheme of the duviri kavats do kinda look like kalymos

[strange plinth]

Bring ‘The Tales of Duviri’ back to the Origin System with this Kexat skin for your Kavat.
far less interesting

but both are part of star days yea

[fast dew]

Mm, i like to believe Mother did that regardless

[fast dew]

No clue! Might’ve been, but i don't know!

Grey probably does

Grey is so cool and awesome

[dire mountain]

Afaik its always been that but I also don't religiously check descriptions

[fast dew]

Smh fake lore fan

[strange plinth]

hasn't changed as far as i'm aware
there's no changelog here to be sure, though
and i don't think something like that would be easily searchable

[stiff folio]

It's exhausting being wrong about everything all the time <.<

[dire mountain]

Lore larper 😭

(Thats in reference to me)

[stiff folio]

I need to just do what the Drifter did and lose myself in a complete delusion fantasy land. Also known as returning back to writing my fanfic

[fast dew]

Real

[strange plinth]

-# i wish i could write well enough to write fanfic lmao

[fast dew]

Me when writing alloid fanfic

[fast dew]

-# you know you can just do it and anonymously publish it right

Orphan it or something

[dire mountain]

My specialty is lore blurbs I think

[fast dew]

I do that with my things a lot

[stiff folio]

I just don't share 90% of my creations. Visual arts are the only thing I'm confident enough to put out there <.<

[fast dew]

If you see a fo4 fic that's related to cars and a milk carton, just know it might be mine

[stiff folio]

I want a better grasp on the Warframe lore to stay as faithful to the actual lore as I can

And to avoid the arguments about picking Margulis

(the correct choice)

[fast dew]

-# picking Margulis is the most dubious choice 😭

[stiff folio]

I firmly believe there's convincing arguments for and against every choice

[strange plinth]

there are
though most will say that margulis has the least arguments

[stiff folio]

The one thing that irks me is that in Perita she defaults to Radiant Lotus when extracting, which makes it feel like there was an objectively right choice

[fast dew]

I feel as if there is

[strange plinth]

odd
that might be an oversight ngl

[fast dew]

Or

Natah is too big to fit into the sanctum lol

[humble sierra]

Originally Nightwave rewards, at least the Krubie was

[humble sierra]

And in the quest itself she uses Radiant Lotus without even your custom colors

[stiff folio]

It's not like we choose her entire identity for her anyway. We just pick which voice leads, and which visual she takes. She's still her own person making her own choices

[fast dew]

Mm

I feel as if saying Margulis is the correct option feels. Redundant of the other choices

[stiff folio]

My perspective is that all three are who she is. Born Natah, forced to be Margulis, and became the Lotus, but she didn't have a say in any of these. It's notable that she's a sentient with her own identity, but isn't like the other mimics, nor is she the same type as hunhow or praghasa

[fast dew]

Why do you feel its the most correct?

[dire mountain]

All of the three exist within her and sometimes one would have to take over

[fast dew]

She. Had a say in the lotus part though

[stiff folio]

They're just aspects of a singular identity

[fast dew]

She actively chose to be the lotus lol

Which is why I feel its the best option between the 3, that doesn't force her to be something she doesn't want to be, or someone she never was

[stiff folio]

I don't view any of the choices as taking away the others, just picking which is leading the others

[fast dew]

And. While I know the other voices exist, how she expresses herself is the important part

[stiff folio]

Natah symbolises strength, Margulis represents healing, and the Lotus is the mediator between them to prevent her becoming too aggressive or too passive

[fast dew]

Which. Is another reason for The Lotus imo

[stiff folio]

Yeah, but picking Natah or Margulis doesn't erase the Lotus' presence within her

[fast dew]

No, but it makes it harder to sense

Makes her lean further to one side

Which isnt what we need

[stiff folio]

So far it's had no bearing beyond one line of dialogue

[fast dew]

That. Kinda doesn't matter...?

[stiff folio]

But the same applies to pretty much all other choices we've gotten too

[restive river]

She’s choosing which personality to lead, the other two are still there lol

[fast dew]

Also there's the whole

Picking the form the abuser forced onto her thing

[stiff folio]

If she wasn't comfortable in that form at our request she could just say no

[twin wigeon]

I feel like choosing Lotus to lead is like choosing the role she made herself to take rather than the role she was forced to take (Marg) or was born to take (natah)

[restive river]

She had the most say with the Lotus, she actually made her own choices
Such as saving her children.

[fast dew]

Issue is, she herself is making that choice

We aren't making that choice for her

[twin wigeon]

She was losing herself, to the voices, to the Indifference. She only needed. A helping hand.

[restive river]

Tbh Margulis is the comfort pick mostly
She’s a mother to the tenno, that’s why Lotus still looks like her

[stiff folio]

Isn't she asking the Tenno to help her choose at that moment in the quest?

[restive river]

No, we ask her.

[humble sierra]

No we say "Choose one to lead them" and we then play as Lotus when we make the choice

[twin wigeon]

mhm mhm

[humble sierra]

Like we the player are making that choice, but we the Tenno are not, Lotahrgulis is

[restive river]

Lotus: "I… I'm not sure. There are… voices. I am not… one."

Operator: "I know. But maybe you could choose one voice… to lead the others? It's your choice."

[strange plinth]

iirc the menu says

I Am...
Natah
Lotus
Margulis

[stiff folio]

I misremembered and misinterpreted then

[twin wigeon]

nws, happens alot

[restive river]

All good, it happens!

[humble sierra]

Tbf name a single other time we control a character in a dialogue option prior to this

[stiff folio]

If she makes the decision, then I no longer care about it, since she can pick any of them with the same validity as it's her choice as a character

[twin wigeon]

mhm

[strange plinth]

-# albrecht's last words to loid in whispers
oh wait you said prior

[humble sierra]

PRIOR TO THIS

HAHA

[twin wigeon]

plus shes a sentient and a mimic, she can change her form at will

[fast dew]

-# all 3 of those choices are wrong im pretty sure too

[stiff folio]

Rell with the emotion game, I suppose

[humble sierra]

Dang

[fast dew]

-# so whatever the hell that means to us

[restive river]

Her reasoning for each btw

Natah: "The times ahead will need decisiveness. Power. I shall be Natah."

Lotus: "I see violence and suffering in our future. We will need compassion and strength in equal measure… I am the Lotus."

Margulis: "Narmer has divided the world, leaving a deep wound. We need healing. I am Margulis."

[humble sierra]

Good pick, forgot about that

[strange plinth]

iirc one of them is pretty close to the original muffled audio? but i don't remember

[fast dew]

Why loid lied to us about it i have no clue

[stiff folio]

Maybe he was afraid we were hydrophobic

[twin wigeon]

i dont think he did

[fast dew]

Nah, he did

[humble sierra]

I'd like to imagine he has no clue what Albrecht's last words were, he just kinda mumbles, and Loid just assumes he says one of the three things

[fast dew]

All 3 of the lines we can choose aren't the line he said

[restive river]

Maybe to protect us?

[fast dew]

Man I can understand it fine wdym 😭

[strange plinth]

wiki transcript doesn't have the starting cutscene lines either augh
"lines" like it isn't just albrecht mumbling and wally

[fast dew]

Man Loid must have bad hearing

"I only wish I could've been worthy of you, My Loid." iirc

[humble sierra]

Maybe Albrecht said some absolutely foul bedroom stuff and Loid doesn't want to repeat it

[twin wigeon]

Maybe his mind is all muddled from the eep

[dire mountain]

Im thinking about sigor savah again

[restive river]

Yeah
Protecting us lol

[fast dew]

It's at the end of the quest 😭

[twin wigeon]

We can hardly remember our culling of a empire so like

[strange plinth]

doesn't he say that in the grimoire, though?
or. something to that effect

[fast dew]

Most likely, wonder why. Maybe it was the same thing he had with the grimoire page

[restive river]

I think he woke up fully after fighting a fragmented with us

[restive river]

Maybe it was a piece of Albrecht’s plan
A piece that isn’t good for us

[fast dew]

He does, he says it twice. I'll. Maybe pull up a playthrough later

[twin wigeon]

you meaan he woke up after fighting a fragmented for us
[insert Loidframe gif]

[restive river]

Albrecht said he’d be honest
He didn’t said Loid had to be iirc

[fast dew]

Loid wants something to himself maybe

[stiff folio]

I don't care that Entrati stabbed you it should've happened to me

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

[restive river]

Loid protoframe could be real

[fast dew]

PLEASE GOD PLEASE

[fossil bridge]

oh my god

that would be insane

[fast dew]

LIMBO LOID I SWEAR

[stiff folio]

Relationships in Warframe are a 50/50 split between the unhealthiest things possible and then just Jade + Sorren and the evil intimidating horse that is Ballas

[restive river]

We just need an explanation for him getting infested if you didn’t get him upstairs

[restive river]

Albrecht and Loid are def on the healthier scale

[stiff folio]

When we eventually get a specifically Murmur-designed Warframe it should be a Loid protoframe

[fast dew]

Albrecht and Loid's are weirdly one of the healthiest we've seen

[restive river]

Xaku ):

[twin wigeon]

i mean Qorvex

[strange plinth]

i mean
qorvex is fairly murmur
he steals their concrete at least

[fast dew]

Albrecht as a Lavos proto..

[restive river]

Qorvex Albrecht proto

[stiff folio]

Qorvex is based on radiation shielding, and Xaku feels void but not murmur

[fast dew]

HES EVEN AN ALCHEMIST

[stiff folio]

I am tired and should stop talking lol

[fast dew]

ALBRECHT'S AN ALCHEMIST AND SO IS LAVOS

[twin wigeon]

Lavos is too noble and learned to be degraded to that

[stiff folio]

Keep in mind the frames are just strains, they aren't the original, except Temple

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drag-come-here-comehere-gif-21771860

[fast dew]

Im well aware, Albrecht just likes to match up professions

[stiff folio]

It took me a while to understand why Aoi was Mag, too

[fast dew]

Yeah cuz

She likes messing with shit

Its something Albrecht notes down on their portfolio things iirc

[restive river]

Ok but
Practically if Albrecht had to infest himself and Loid who would he pick?

[fast dew]

Id say it would be Lavos due to the

1. Similar design
2. Familiar abilities [alchemy]

[restive river]

Albrecht would likely pick something to combat the murmur and to assist him generally
Same for Loid though likely even more protection
Limbo Proto becomes very very probable to me with this logic since Limbo can slip into the veil

[fast dew]

Loid. Due to bias i can only see him as a limbo, the design being similar to a prime was. A choice

[stiff folio]

Cassette tapes store information magnetically

[restive river]

She’s the mechanic

[fast dew]

Yeah

Lavos. He can make rad procs right?

[fast dew]

Thays the word thank you :3

[restive river]

He can make any

[dire mountain]

He can make anything outside physical, void, and tau

[strange plinth]

Team Role
-# Second-in-command. Crowd control.
Characteristics / Habits
-# Bouncing on her heels, levitating/folding metal like origami, animating twisted metal marionettes and making them “dance”
Reputation
-# The heart to Arthur's head. A matriarchal figure to the group… protective, but with all of the violent ferocity that can sometimes entail.
Special Notes
-# Expert bike mechanic

[stiff folio]

Lavos can make only elemental statuses

[restive river]

Qorvex is a simple pick but Lavos is a smart pick

[dire mountain]

True and cinematic arent real they cant hurt you

[restive river]

He can make all of them

[stiff folio]

Qorvex for Loid and Lavos for Entrati

[fast dew]

Qorvex is so woefully un-loid like

[restive river]

Limbo for Loid
Lavos for Entrati

[stiff folio]

Yes, which is what I meant. Lavos can make only elemental statuses. Not physical ones, void, tau, etc

[fast dew]

Mm, Reckon Mother would have Oraxia

I can see Father having Qorvex

[restive river]

Nah
Albrecht’s wife

[twin wigeon]

Vaub

[fast dew]

Yeah that would be a really messed up thing he did

Imagine if Oraxia is Gerivaine

[stiff folio]

Kalymos Valkyr protoframe

[humble sierra]

What the hell was the point with the grimoire pages btw?

[restive river]

Limbo fits design-wise which is a very strong point but also he’s
Smart
And fancy
And his defensive capabilities I think Albrecht would do that for Loid

[dire mountain]

I wonder if vilcor knew about qorvex if he knew about the Murmur the entire time

[restive river]

Venari Kalymos

[fast dew]

Wdym? Like the ones we can find elsewhere in the labs?

[humble sierra]

New batch of Protos that is his Flock

[twin wigeon]

The Grimoire is literally Entratis diary

[restive river]

That was Albrecht’s message for Loid at the end

[stiff folio]

I'm still convinced Kalymos can talk but chooses not to

[fast dew]

the flock ❤️

Real ones know what the flock is

[stiff folio]

One quest in the future Kalymos is just going to suddenly talk and Amir will faint

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure she talks to Eleanor

[stiff folio]

We already know that Kalymos was sick at one point, then Entrati took her away, and she came back perfectly fine. It was ambiguous if she got cloned, given void exposure, etc

[twin wigeon]

hence why those two are the heads of the Legacyte mission

[restive river]

[The Tenno gently places Albrecht's grimoire before the Jahu Gargoyle. It opens of its own accord and hovers in front of the gargoyle, light spilling out from its pages. Albrecht's voice is heard speaking from the book.]

Albrecht Entrati: "Loid… you gave me back my sight, but I would not spare you a glance. You gave me back my voice, but I never spoke to praise you as I should have. For you were my right hand. My strength, my support, my sanctuary. Even when the galleries hurled scorn upon me, your sole desire was to suffer it in my stead."

Once Albrecht begins speaking, the Fragmented Suzerain is vulnerable to damage. The Tenno must deplete the first half of its health bar. After the second stage of the fight begins, it will again be invulnerable, and the Tenno must again activate the Jahu Gargoyle to read the grimoire.

Albrecht Entrati: "On your first day of service, you aspired to be worthy of me. I only wish that I could have been worthy of you, my Loid."

Once the Fragmented Suzerain is defeated, a cutscene will play.

[strange plinth]

i don't think this is correct but it is a fun idea
and also somewhat, odd. given that she would still be fooled by his image all that time later

[dire mountain]

Itd be really funny if she was just the lying cat from saga

[restive river]

Omg maybe she keeps Albrecht honest-

[stiff folio]

Oh that's a blast from the past, not read that since I finished Invincible

[fast dew]

Bites his knees when he lies ❤️

[dire mountain]

He does love his damn cat

[fast dew]

Nah, I could see it, though it wouldn't align with the timeline we know

[stiff folio]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Kalymos was designed based on, we already know WF is full of references

[restive river]

Is Rebb a fan of Saga?

[fast dew]

He fully thinks Kalymos is basically a human, though. Is that just cat dad behaviour or genuine

[restive river]

Someone should ask her

Like
At a meetup lol

[dire mountain]

I mean i think calling her sagacious is nodding to it

[stiff folio]

Throwing a paper airplane through the Lotus' hotel room window

[fast dew]

I miss Kalymos' lil jacket she had in that one concept art

[restive river]

Albrecht’s so real for being that kind of pet owner

[fast dew]

Give her a jacket you bastards she's cold

[restive river]

Is Albrecht’s an animal person?

[stiff folio]

Debatable

[glacial bough]

He just likes his cat

[restive river]

He feels guilty for the ones he killed

[stiff folio]

On the one hand he clearly loved Kalymos. On the other hand, Tagfer happened

[restive river]

True yeah

[dire mountain]

😭 I got blocked because I was insulting my own cat

[fast dew]

Id say im an animal person but I haven't an issue with the animals I've used for food

[restive river]

He does feel guilt for that
Which is more than I’d expect from most Orokin

[dire mountain]

Real because this one is too clever for her own good

[fast dew]

-# guilty enough to possibly attempt to kill himself

[fast dew]

AWHH KITTYYYYY

[restive river]

Mine has to be in containment and she knows how to open the door-

[fast dew]

My sister's stupid idiot kitten

Why he look like that

[restive river]

Make that kalymos

[dire mountain]

Oh piper would ABSOLUTELY open doors if we had the long handles

[fast dew]

Once I get home o7

[stiff fable]

I love how this has become a thing

[restive river]

Does Saga have an audio dub or anything?

[stiff fable]

Nah it's a comicbook

[restive river]

Is it accessible online?

[stiff folio]

One thing I really hope for the future of Warframe which is a very petty little indulgence, is that the Lotus gets to like... have a hobby. Or something she enjoys doing. Experience leisure. Her whole life has been endless war and manipulation and control, and trauma, and I want to see her idk, draw things, or try food, or enjoy wearing clothes. It might be dumb of me to push a human experience and worldview on a definitively non-human creature, but those little quotes like "You made it angry. Good job." make me feel like there's a little humour in her somewhere too, it's very humanising

[fast dew]

Yall got weird looking cars

[stiff fable]

Excuse me "graphic novel" 🙄

And uhhhhh yeah I think there's a digital version

[fast dew]

-# I love my pigeons

[restive river]

Omg bird 3

[restive river]

Oooo
I need to be able to zoom in so I may look for that

[fast dew]

Loid kinda does wish to make her comfortable and

I like to believe she was given the chair and ottoman in the refractory room

By. Loid

[stiff folio]

I don't have any fancy pets to share but I did save a drowning magpie the other day and send it to fly off once it dried in my home by the radiator.

[restive river]

Well with Warframe heading in a transhumanist perspective I can see her doing that 1000%

[fast dew]

Oh weird, forgot Australian magpies look different

[celest needle]

PETS?
IN #lore-discussion ???

[stiff folio]

Comically, if you bullet jump by it you can destroy the chair

[fast dew]

As in

Thats not an Australian magpie

[restive river]

The tenno themselves are now amalgams
I’d love to see Lotus do this too but. Mentally

[humble sierra]

Sorry I sent that like a decade ago and immediately turned my phone off before it properly sent

[stiff folio]

Idk I just want her to have like. A life. Outside of her duties and suffering

[fast dew]

Can barely see it but the goober

[restive river]

@humble sierra

[fast dew]

Barks

Idk sometimes I need to bark

Ykim

[stiff folio]

I wonder if entering the whole eternalism thing with the next update, we might see the Lotus of that alternate history? Or maybe Ballas is even still alive somehow

[glacial bough]

Unlikely

[stiff fable]

Oh is it cat tax time

[glacial bough]

Both are coming back to our present

[restive river]

I would love to see that
Though she also does have to lead the tenno
But Ordis could do that too

[stiff folio]

What I'm curious about though is Hunhow in the trailer

[stiff fable]

my friend's cat Xiami, or Little Shrimp

[fast dew]

Let Loid try to see if she can drink tea

[restive river]

skimp

[fast dew]

LITTLE GUY

[restive river]

Grandpa’s angry

[humble sierra]

The split in Constellations seems to be the naming of the child at the end of Jade Shadows, so Ballas would be dead in both timelines, unless you're talking about some other timeline

[restive river]

I do think we could see Hunhow freeing himself and then that leading into how we get to Tau tbh

[celest needle]

I would like to pick them up and scritch!!!!

[restive river]

What if Hunhow becomes part of the rail?

[stiff folio]

Do we know that for sure?

I guess it makes sense, though

[stiff fable]

Also I found this old picture of me with my cat

[restive river]

It seems to be the implication
That was a big choice for a reason

[stiff fable]

Miss her so much :<

[stiff folio]

I wonder if that alternate timeline is the one where Parvos perfects the Jade Eximus becuase we didn't do enough

[glacial bough]

Yes, DE said as much in the reveal

[stiff folio]

If Hunhow escapes Uranus there's got to be something majorly different

[restive river]

Timeline where you didnt name the baby that other name made Parvos win

[restive river]

Well he’s doing that in the present

[stiff folio]

I look forward to the devstream that'll clarify all this, or much of it

[celest needle]

Idiot of nature

[strange plinth]

“Eternalism. The future. A future where the son who was not chosen lives in a doomed reality where all is lost to madness. Their only option is to come back to find Stalker, the father. But there is only one Stalker. Future Sirius and Future Orion fight with their mentors at their side to capture Stalker to bring him to their future."
what rebb said during the stream, i believe
quoted from the overview

[dire mountain]

I mean, presumably? One is named Sirius and the other is Orion. Whatever was chosen the other choice is always just as real and exists a reality where it was chosen

[restive river]

Meanwhile the mentors want him dead for different reasons too

[stiff folio]

If it's set in the future then it's going to be interesting to see what we can learn about the main timeline's future

[dire mountain]

No theyre coming to us

[restive river]

So they’re both from doomed timelines

[restive river]

They’re coming back to get Stalker

[strange plinth]

..are they both the unchosen son

[dire mountain]

I think for once the answer here is actually eternalism

[restive river]

Maybe it’s both possibilities of being unchosen?

There does sound like there’s another factor here since the uh
Doomed part

[stiff folio]

So they're both from the future, the future of our current timeline, split from the choice of the baby's name, but also not from our future because theirs are doomed? I don't understand how it can be our future but not our future simultaneously

[restive river]

Or maybe the doomed part is Wally ate it

[dire mountain]

(if the Tenno selects "C. Her parents will survive. Her parents will die.") Euleria Entrati: "Correct. Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible."```

[restive river]

Because it’s a possible future

[stiff folio]

I'm also wondering why there's only one Stalker, because if it's a split timeline doesn't that mean Stalker died in both of their timelines?

[strange plinth]

such is the conflict
i don't think we'll know more until it releases
or maybe this month's devstream

[restive river]

Stalker died in both timelines and they’re going back to get him

I do wonder what happened to him

[stiff folio]

What if Stalker gave the child to either of the mentor protoframes, one honourably to mentor them how Jade would've wanted, and the other out of anger for Stalker's remaining grudge for the Tenno

[stiff fable]

Though Ryuzo seems to be implying he plans to merc Stalker

[stiff folio]

I can think of many ways they'd spin it

[stiff fable]

I wonder if future!Stalker made Hunhow get out of the chair after all

[strange plinth]

ryoku's blurb mentions finding the kid

[restive river]

It sounded like they found the kid from the descriptions on their respective trailers

[restive river]

vena too

[stiff folio]

Maybe if it really is the future where Parvos won, we'll also get human Ordan Karris again. Or even funnier, Kullervo protoframe Ordan

[strange plinth]

"What kind of sick mongrel denies their own blood? I am joined to him in glorious bloodshed, we pulse from the same vein. We'll drown cold revenge in a hot rain of fury and dance with their corpses." - VENA

"The fiercest strike is the one unseen. I was not looking for an apprentice when I found the boy. It was a sign: to secure the future, one final death will pay for all." - RYOKU

[restive river]

That is not what that means lol

Ordan only exists if Ordis is up for it too

[stiff fable]

Right but Vena kills people in the USMC sense (have a plan to kill everyone you meet), Ryoku is doing it to trigger a specific outcome

[restive river]

Ye

[stiff folio]

How do we know that though? Couldn't Parvos theoretically capture Ordis and force it? We don't even know the process for undoing a cephalon

[strange plinth]

what does parvos gain if he forces it

[stiff folio]

I just really hope they do something awsome with Ordan eventually. I love the theory of Ordan's original body being Uriel Prime

[restive river]

I mean it sounds like he believes Ordis is Ordan
I also doubt you can uncephalize someone the way you’re thinking

[dire mountain]

Unless parvos mercs the tenno I don't think he could

[restive river]

An angry assassin if he succeeds
An angry Ordis if he fails

[glacial bough]

There's no body for an Ordan to exist

[stiff fable]

Ehhh... Maybe? I got the sense Uriel Prime was earlier in the war

[glacial bough]

That theory doesn't really make sense given Uriel Prime is someone that worked under Roathe

[restive river]

I do think it’d be cool if Ordis got a combat body
Ofc he wouldn’t be Ordan he’d be Ordis

[stiff folio]

I want to put Ordis in a summonable Necramech that can join me in regular missions

[glacial bough]

Also no benefit to making a dead body into a frame

[dire mountain]

And ordan was a mercenary, not part of the military proper

[stiff fable]

And Roathe's comment about the Orokin having a bad sense of humor wrt their original name only make sense if Uriel Prime's name was ALSO Roathe, or Uriel

[stiff folio]

Hmm, pre-continuity Roathe body as Uriel Prime?

[restive river]

The key thing is Ordan is gone
If Ordis gets a body somehow he isn’t Ordan

[glacial bough]

Making a dead body into a frame defeats the intention

[stiff fable]

Meanwhile Dagath:

But no it's unlikely

[restive river]

They did that for Dagath to save her, no?
Not like
Out of kindness or love

[glacial bough]

Now now, Dagath was mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead

[stiff folio]

I thought Dagath was turned into a Warframe prior to dying?

[fast dew]

Bog diference

[stiff folio]

As in, they got her killed because her being a Warframe wasn't as spicy as her being a Dax for their polycule

[glacial bough]

She was. Dagath was grievously injured so they pulled favor to get Ballas to frame her

[strange plinth]

-# me when i'm talking about swamps

[fast dew]

-# me when I'm talking about bogs

[fast dew]

Mm. Perhaps out of. Love one might have for an object.

[strange plinth]

they gave her a horse on the condition that she couldn't name it
she named it
they tried to have the horse killed and hit her too
she gets warframed
couple loses interest because its no longer taboo
laser through the face

[fast dew]

Not genuine love for an equal, no. Affection for an object

[stiff folio]

couple loses their lives because the taboo wasn't done with them

[stiff fable]

Dagath was impaled in the trap to kill the horse, and it's actually not clear whether she was dead or Orokin-brand Only Mostly Dead

[strange plinth]

But fate played a cruel trick, and both rider and horse were impaled. Corphel and Irilia hastened to her side. Ignoring the dying horse, they fretted over their lover as she coughed blood. Continuity was out of the question. In desperation, they turned to a certain... expert, and pleaded with him to let her live forever.

[glacial bough]

Who needs homophobia when violent classism exists

[fast dew]

Homophobia doesn't seem to be an issue in the empire, classist assholes however

[stiff folio]

Sexism, racism, and homophobia are out, child soldiers, psychological torture, and Ballas' Unit 731 are in!

[blissful merlin]

somehow puts Ordis into a vessel

“Operator look! I have a body just like you but titan sized!” Lmao

[dusk temple]

Ordis in a Hunhullyst’s body

[stiff folio]

I genuinely wonder if it's possible to do what Hunhow tried to Suda and have him enter the datascape, and somehow remove Ordis from it, and place him into a Sentient body

We've got warframe-sentient hybrids in the Archons, and Caliban already, for example

[humble sierra]

Ordis in a Necramech has been something I've been wanting for a very long time

[proper barn]

I mean there are sexist and racist and such people in warframe we just fight them.

Also

Some of the 1999 characters talk about that stuff.

[fast dew]

Mm, Eleanor mentions dating her breaks.
Laws

No clue what laws or how dating her would break them

[stiff folio]

1999 is in the past in terms of lore timeline, my comment was referring more to 'modern day' origin system

[proper barn]

Also

[fast dew]

Religious laws, state laws, moral things or whatever she says

[proper barn]

We literally see sentient racism in the old peace.

Also the grinner are like very xenophobic anyway.

[glacial bough]

They're "terrorists" wanted by the state very publicly

[stiff folio]

Yes, 1000 years ago

[fast dew]

Its funny Daklo of all things is hating on the sentients, like. No dude the leopards are gonna eat your face too

[glacial bough]

Daklo is more xenophobia than racisms

[proper barn]

Those

Are kinda the same thing but yeah.

[strange plinth]

one is more specific

[proper barn]

Do we count like drone ordis as this?

[dire mountain]

No because his drone doesn't house any vital components

[fast dew]

It would be not smart to do so

[proper barn]

Okay so I would say they did love her but in a way that was possessive and abusive and like power embalance stuff. To say they didn't love her at all ever is to reduce the abuse they did to her.

[fast dew]

Yeah

Loved her like an object

[proper barn]

So whenever people like go "oh they never loved her" I feel like we are slightly hand waving like the idea that abuse is like easy to see and not like subtle and like that abusive relationships don't start as loving relationships you know?

[pine thistle]

How long do yall think the Operator was trained for

[proper barn]

I disagree not to make the couple seem better but to further like damn them.

[proper barn]

They where all trained by the Lotus after the Zariman incident but before the old peace. We don't know how long either of these things where. Maybe a few months maybe a few years? We don't know really.

[glacial bough]

I would agree maybe if there we had reason to think it was actually loving or something genuine

But it's a relationship with someone who literally can't say no and them refusing to even give them the dignity of their actual name

[fast dew]

They absolutely had some level of affection for her, but i do not think it was love on an equal level like Albrecht and Loid for example

[proper barn]

I think that's later they refuse to say her name.

[fast dew]

They loved her like one would love a particularly sentimental or important object, ultimately replaceable and not so significant as a person would be

Meanwhile if. Either Albrecht or Loid was to die, both men would be. Very messed up from it. Loid is still a little weird about it even now

[proper barn]

i agree that love also slightly toxic But to like say they didn't love her at all feels like we are like making it seem like abusive relationships are easy to see and spot cuz "they never loved you." which i get what you mean i just don't like "simple" it makes abuse seem ya' know?

[fast dew]

I

Im not saying they didn't love her

They just didn't love her as an equal

[proper barn]

fair.

[fast dew]

They loved her like a pet or an object

[glacial bough]

The onus of the story is how the couple never used her name as names are for people. It's why she's loking for one after becoming a frame and boogeyman

[fast dew]

Over. Loving her as someone with autonomy and wishes of her own

[proper barn]

Okay wait i would say she was very signagaint if she wasn't they wouldn't try to kill her favorite horse so she would love them more and then try to use kuva on her but she was too dead apparently.

[fast dew]

She is significant, like a sentimental object or pet, but again

Ultimately replaceable

At least to the couple

Once she didn't feed into their fantasy, they discarded her

[proper barn]

yeah.

[fast dew]

Like how some people get puppies and discard them once they get too difficult

[pine thistle]

I wonder what became of that couple

[glacial bough]

Dead

[fast dew]

They got ganked lmao

[strange plinth]

When the morning sun rose on Corphel and Irilia, they were faceless too, and quite still.

[stiff fable]

Really, Dagath is just Warframe Carrie

[glacial bough]

Ehhhh

[pine thistle]

Who killed them, Dagath?

[stiff fable]

Yup lol

[spice wedge]

just what I saw about video dagath and 2 orokins

[pine thistle]

Killing your lovers is crazy but there she blows I guess

[stiff fable]

Tbf they killed her first