lore-discussion

[pine thistle]

DE could’ve easily been like “yeah she got waxed at the night of the naga drums” and been done with it

[fast dew]

Yeah sure, but i don't think it'll be as a protoframe

Realistically the goal of that choice would gotta be. Some level of bullshittery

[narrow pendant]

animation used earlier designs while ingame they are more defined and further changed

^

[pale cedar]

I thought she was actually going to be blue

[narrow pendant]

i didnt even percieve her as blue i thought its just lighting

but now that you mention it i can see how it could be percieved that way

[pale cedar]

Maybe it was done to troll us with possible Garuda Nitohk

[narrow pendant]

GatoEpicoSmile

[dark compass]

I will wear my tinfoil hat

They wanted her to be an orokin but saw the comments

[fast dew]

good.

[dark compass]

And animation was too far in the pipeline

[fast dew]

Id rip my skin off if we had a orokin proto again

Id do it Albrecht style

[dark compass]

One is jumping the shark, two in a row is admitting your defeat

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ultrakill-gif-1116432568720806435

[celest needle]

monkeys paw, Tau includes a Orokin proto grendel

[fast dew]

Id genuinely drop warframe if it happens

Maybe get super into elden ring

[dark compass]

I'll greet you with open arms

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-14901082521966246439

[opaque zenith]

Wishing for another orokin proto rn /j

[dark compass]

There's so much lore to talk about

You'll never run out of shit to discuss

[celest needle]

Shadow of the erdtree

[fast dew]

Id have to latch onto one specific thing, like i did with the 40k and the Mechanicus, though most of my knowledge from that is long forgotten

Gotta make room for each interest

[pine thistle]

I was hoping Nitokh would be Garuda’s proto but it is what it is. Lowkey kinda sad that it isn’t the case though cause that means if Nitokh DOES reappear we’re almost certainly going to kill her for good

Rip

[dark compass]

Yes good perfect splendid awesome

Magnificent

She shall explode

[celest needle]

-# its lore ranges from amazing to total ass

[fast dew]

See, I was always hoping to kill her

I also want to harm Roathe but he gets to live if he changes his behaviour

[dark compass]

Thomas haven't played so let's not spoil anything

[fast dew]

:3

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Ooh the summer sale should make a good time to buy most of the dark souls series too..

[unkempt talon]

when is that?

[fast dew]

And. A 5th copy of doom the dark ages

[fast dew]

Uhh

Whenever summer is 😭

Its a winter sale for me but yk

[pine thistle]

If we have to kill her I at least hope it’s a proper fight. Ballas didn’t even really put up a fight. It would be weird to have someone known for being extremely violent and aggressive, who was also one of the top Orokin military commanders, just immediately get waxed with no effort

Make her actually dangerous

[dark compass]

They're rich people

They operate on stolen valor

[pine thistle]

That doesn’t mean they can’t be warriors?

[dark compass]

I mean for entertainment purposes ig

[pine thistle]

There were definitely Orokin who were probably fearsome fighters

[celest needle]

aw :[

[dark compass]

Also I'll defend SOTE with my dying breath

||except the dragon before Bayle that shit was ass||

Anyways back to warframe lore

[dark compass]

We shall see I suppose

It looked like most of the seven were fodder

[fast dew]

Ehh, the vast majority died
-# like the pigs they are

[pine thistle]

According to Roathe, Nitokh actually had teeth

[fast dew]

Even in wartime

They mostly hid behind their soldiers

[pine thistle]

If there is any I expect to actually fight, it would be her

[unkempt talon]

hell pretty sure Father was one consider he made the necramechs

[dark compass]

I mean

[fast dew]

Railjack pilot

[dark compass]

I feel like orokin can easily be all bark and no bite

[fast dew]

He is just an engineer

[celest needle]

I loved it but
man some boss fights were ROUGH
||gaius is asser then ass and radahn is assest of ass||

[dark compass]

That's not lore

[unkempt talon]

...sometimes I forget that railjacks were in fact warships

[pale cedar]

How?

[fast dew]

I think its telling of how sheltered Daughter is when it comes to the Narmer occupation of the origin system

[celest needle]

I CAN'T SAY THE WORD BUT SCREW ||MIQUELLA||

[unkempt talon]

I dunno I don't really do railjack and railjack also kinda just sounds like a cargo ship name

[fast dew]

Girl has never actually seen war first hand and thinks its cool and awesome to go fight

[unkempt talon]

if I remember correctly the lore is Mother had the family stay quiet and hidden during the new war, despite the fact they probably can't get veiled considering they're infested and the veils don't effect infested

[pine thistle]

It’s rather rich for her to be calling anyone else a fossil considering she’d be de facto immortal but we ball

[pale cedar]

Why are you both shouting and typing big text?

[fast dew]

Mym, Mother did get them to hide.

Daughter is pissed about it, as if she could've done anything but be a sitting duck. I'm sure her parents knew that

Especially her Father

[pine thistle]

Honestly if she came back I could see her temporarily getting Roathe back on her side, and then if/after she’s dealt with for good, that’s when he actually becomes redeemed

[fast dew]

Eh

Roathe is already supposed to be redeemed

My issue with him is the lack of actual change that occurs, its more a writing issue

[unkempt talon]

yea also will say this the fact the infested not being effected by the veils plays into a theory I have for the what was going on with the syndicates in new war

[pale cedar]

Tbh nothing says Infested can't get veiled

You can have Infested Corrupted so I don't see why a Veil wouldn't work

[unkempt talon]

I think that's just a gameplay thing

but also the towers and void are different things to the veils

[pine thistle]

Yeah, but it seems he’s still conflicted about Nitokh in his heart. He knows her evilness and depravity, hates and loves her, and also seems to be terrified of her. If she did return, it isn’t a stretch to believe that she’d try to lure him back to her side, and him, being who he is, falls under her sway again

Its one thing to bad mouth your abuser for probably decades when you think they’re dead and another when they are standing in front of you

Stockholm Syndrome

[unkempt talon]

the towers seem to just effect anything not orokin or tenno cause in the ghouls comic the grineer were becoming corrupted almost instantly upon entering a tower

like that part straight up ends with Vor being the only grineer not corrupted and his own soldiers attacking him

[pine thistle]

It would also be poetic in a way that his true redemption comes when his last connection to his Orokin era, that being Nitokh, is severed for good

Maybe he’d even be the one to end her

[unkempt talon]

I have to ask why not use the statue as example for her?

I know its in gold but it would work

not dissing the fashion btw cause that's a pretty good orokin drifter fashion

[unkempt talon]

will say clever use of the roathe crown thing and I wanna say the gauss visor? not sure what the horns are

[pine thistle]

The arm and leg is from the Clearvoy Prime suit, the diadem is the Revenant Mephisto diadem, the secondary facial accessory is the Grand Carnus hood, and the ear is the Zenoriu earpiece. The Clearvoy Prime suit is exclusive to the Wisp Prime Accessories Pack.

[unkempt talon]

oh I actually have enough for that diadem

[celest needle]

Is Vor even still sane at this point?

He talks normally but being a void entity cannot be good for ones health ngl

[unkempt talon]

I mean probably not he's only even alive despite being cut in half because of the Janus Key he found and now there's also him now being a void entity

[opaque zenith]

-"He talks normally"
-"[...]A wall of bone awaits my joining[...]"
-What?

[celest needle]

all grineer commanders are dramatic af

[unkempt talon]

hell he might have even been insane after the first fight since if I remember correctly lotus mentions him being stripped of a higher rank and his elite guard during the fight in Vor's Prize

[pale cedar]

It's actually The Wall of bone not A Wall of bone

A Wall of bone makes it sound weird

Vor was demoted to Captain

[opaque zenith]

I await for my execution for that mistypo

[pale cedar]

Jade Light time

[celest needle]

Dagath Industrial drill?

[unkempt talon]

Is Wally actually made of bone? I always thought he was stone

[pale cedar]

It's dust

Dust of decayed universes

[unkempt talon]

I alway took the "Wall of bone" thing being like a weird Grineer burial thing but now thinking about its probably a void thing

[pale cedar]

He's talking about Wally

[pale cedar]

https://youtu.be/Uqy441sjlRI?si=vYQouvV2H1o2tOSi

[pine thistle]

Wasn’t he an admiral

[pale cedar]

Yes

[pine thistle]

Admiral down to Captain. Pretty steep demotion then isn’t it?

[fast dew]

Mhm

[tall echo]

At least he didn't have to live with the demotion for long

[fast dew]

I. Don't think he lived for much longer after that

[tall echo]

That is what I said

[loud oriole]

oh well, least his janus key is there to keep him sane

[ocean geyser]

It’s a void thing
It shows up in Duviri Zariman tablets

[fast dew]

Mm, its related to wally

The Wall is something Albrecht mentioned to the denizens of Duviri too

[pale cedar]

Vor has still not heard back from Wally

[fast dew]

Vor isn't unique

[celest needle]

-# it'd be really funny if Vor was just a wally fanboy

[pale cedar]

Vor should just follow Albrecht and he’ll easily meet Wally

[marble timber]

Vor is just the first season antagonist of a show that gets defeated by the main character, and since then just shows up randomly once per season to get one shot by the main group

[opaque zenith]

AKA the pokemon rival but with less skincare and more charisma

[tranquil plover]

Is there any lore reason the prime vanguard in Tau are bigger than our warframes? or do they just not make them like they used to

[ocean geyser]

The lore reason is gameplay

They’re bigger so they’re more noticeable to players

You could theorize that we remember them as bigger because our memories make them more threatening

[tranquil plover]

I hereby declare this as the official reason

[ocean geyser]

YAYYYYYY

[unkempt talon]

my theory is more so in universe Primes are just big but for us the player they don't look like they are cause the players probably have a base rig

[tall echo]

it'S just for visibility

[tranquil plover]

nah its because we remember them as more threatening trust

[tall echo]

it's not

[unkempt talon]

why are you no fun Scrap

[fast dew]

Let us have some whimsy scrap

[tall echo]

no

[pale cedar]

Scrap: I joke

Also, Scrap when witnessing a joke: no

[crystal vigil]

Koumei's cool.

[dark compass]

coimei's kool

[crystal vigil]

Coimeu. kool's

[pale cedar]

Koumei’s cold

[crystal vigil]

Koumei's tuff

[amber onyx]

Koumei’s miku

[crystal vigil]

Koumei's fortunate

[amber onyx]

Koumei’s red for an amazing reason

[crystal vigil]

Koumei's spectacular

[pale cedar]

Koumei is the fortune

[crystal vigil]

i really hope they give koumei another dice on her prime and buff her skills even more if u get three 6's and three 1's

[woven coyote]

Koumei is the unhelpfull fortune in a fortune cookie

[crystal vigil]

woah woah woah there no slander on the goats name

[woven coyote]

She's a fake

[crystal vigil]

WOAHH

[woven coyote]

We all know unum was the one who did the cool prophecy stuff and koumei was just hanging around

She got the credit for doing nothing

[crystal vigil]

we ALL know koumei is the goat and secretly walked wally around while he was leashed and on all fours

[crystal vigil]

koumei has more lore than js her quest and dice rolls?

[woven coyote]

Nah it all a joke on my part

Mostly because her theme is a lie

[crystal vigil]

oh 😭 had me searching everything

[tall echo]

not even a quest

[woven coyote]

Like the fate bender warframe, who... cant control fate and is only at its mercy

Her theme is a bigger lie than the cake

[crystal vigil]

mmm saya sends us out on a mission to help defend the children that make the offering for koumei, literally what a quest is

[tall echo]

it's a mission

not a quest

[crystal vigil]

well i mean, she let us live out fate to control it

[crystal vigil]

within the game its called a mission yes, but its literally a quest from saya

[woven coyote]

Wielder of the great ability that.... might protect you
And the other ability that.... might give you some buff relevant to your weapons

[pale cedar]

It's not even referred to as a quest by DE

[tall echo]

a quest involves some sort of journey so even your attempt to evade acknowledging your error is wrong

[crystal vigil]

i mean, shes got decree's from durviri and her weapon buff is insane

[crystal vigil]

please read^

im using the literal meaning of the word quest, not the ingame one

[woven coyote]

Yeah the decrees are mostly useless

[tall echo]

so am I now

[pale cedar]

Koumei was DE just giving us new content while they worked on 1999

[crystal vigil]

what 😭 theyre so crazy

[woven coyote]

Very few of them are crazy

Most are useless

[crystal vigil]

sick, then you should know something like completing the star chart is also a quest if you decide to do it

[pale cedar]

It's not referred to as a quest by DE or in game

[crystal vigil]

thats cool. doesent change the fact saya sent us out on a quest tho

[pale cedar]

She didn't

[woven coyote]

At best it is an errand

[woven coyote]

Especially because it isnt real (yet)

[crystal vigil]

sure if you'd like to call it that, but we literally changed fate with it and i would consider that a fairly difficult thing to do

[pale cedar]

A quest involves doing multiple things in different areas which isn't what happens

[crystal vigil]

if thats what u wanna call a quest. that happens

[woven coyote]

See that whole change fate thing is surely a lie just like her theme

[tall echo]

that's not even known for sure, it might be completely pointless!

[crystal vigil]

😭 protect house A and house B then bring the offerings to the shrine, after that kill everything around all 3 area's

[pale cedar]

No, it's all in one small part of Cetus

[woven coyote]

Probably is considering her skillset

[crystal vigil]

yes. revenants entire quest happens in cetus doesent it? is that not a quest?

[tall echo]

note that it doesn't even actually happen in reality

[crystal vigil]

right but thats avoiding the question

im not sure how the simple wording of quest is the issue here 😭

[pale cedar]

It's a single small mission

[woven coyote]

Unecessarily missleading

[crystal vigil]

the "quest" here would refer to the ingame mission we play to gain fate pearls

[crystal vigil]

not really

[woven coyote]

Yes really

[crystal vigil]

im not sure how you'd see it as such

[pale cedar]

I'm not sure how you'd see it as a quest

[crystal vigil]

because it fits the description of a quest?

[pale cedar]

It doesn't

[crystal vigil]

it does

[pale cedar]

It fits the description of a mission

[crystal vigil]

if you'd like me to call it a mission i can but that does not change what the original question was

[woven coyote]

You tell a new player about koumei's quest
New player finds out it isnt a quest
Realises they were missled
Gets sad

See you are making the hypothetical new player sad

[crystal vigil]

there is not a big difference there, and as i said changing fate seems majorly difficult

[crystal vigil]

we're in the lore channel...

[pale cedar]

Theres a big difference

[woven coyote]

And again the changing fate thing has a big chance of being a lie

[unkempt talon]

would you call the lotus eaters a quest then?

[crystal vigil]

sure but thats what was said within the game so i'm gonna take it as thats what happend

[pale cedar]

A quest has an overarching story to follow which the singular mission doesn't

[unkempt talon]

cause its kinda the same as Koumei's quest

[crystal vigil]

within the game its a quest, by a description i wouldent much consider it more than a chat

[crystal vigil]

talking and pleasing a god to change fate have a few differences

[pale cedar]

Within the game, it's not even called a quest once

[crystal vigil]

right, and ive spoken about that like 5 times

[pale cedar]

Then why are you still saying it

[crystal vigil]

so amanata, the game doesent call it red and white, but we can clearly see its base colors are red and white yes? that must mean we are wrong and it is not red and white

[pale cedar]

It's legit lying to say within the game it is when it isn't once

[crystal vigil]

the game did not create the word quest/

[pale cedar]

It did

[crystal vigil]

yo is this rage bait 😭

[pale cedar]

DE created the definition of a quest in this game

[crystal vigil]

you right my fault, the word quest does not exist outside of warframe

[pale cedar]

And it's not a vision

A quest in Warframe isn't just prevent my vision from happening

That's a mission

DE couldn't make a quest because at the time they were busy with 1999

[crystal vigil]

thats a challenge

[strange plinth]

xata
koumei's abilities and lore conflict a bunch and its. odd
the whole 'fateweaver' bit would've been cooler as a spider
-# *cough* oraxia

[stiff fable]

Unless of course Koumei's threads are the strands of Khra

[woven coyote]

Her threads are for sure from the phrase

Koumei is a liar and has nothing to do with fate!

[ocean geyser]

It’s the same kind of quest as the Apostasy Prologue

So people go on about Lotus Eaters even though the Prologue basically served as the same thing

[pale cedar]

I think the reason they do is because DE called it both rather than just saying it’s a Prologue

[turbid kestrel]

Then what’s the epilogue?

[fast dew]

Mm, the new war doesnt have one i dont think

[rigid compass]

It was kinda a let down

Like at least apostasy prologue had it in the name

[turbid kestrel]

there’s no laws against the warframes Batman

I can do whatever I want with it

[twin wigeon]

:0 take that back

[twin wigeon]

D:

Leave Orion/Sirius alone

[turbid kestrel]

Garuda… >;))

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-do-it-batman-lopunny-theres-no-laws-against-the-pokemon-pokemon-joker-gif-314226898576851043

[ocean geyser]

Understandable

[turbid kestrel]

Just don’t make a warframe chatbot, lotus will block you from doing whatever it is you want to do to the frame Batman

AI Sucks balls

[restive river]

The complete ones don’t got nothin down there
But the protos, or at least the Hex do

[fast dew]

Ah, Lyon does i think

[lost crypt]

warframes can be modded.. .

[pale cedar]

Indeed

[turbid kestrel]

Context??

[lost crypt]

this

[turbid kestrel]

|| —Can the frames’ be bred— ||

[lost crypt]

probably -
but not just that
we can modify the frames both externally (appearance,even for detault skins there's helmet options) and internally (mods and archon shards) already,so it would stand to reason that theoretically anything can be done with enough skill

so yes,some... anatomical correct-ness could very well be possible,but so could other things such as extra limbs,maws,so on

[turbid kestrel]

So theoretically it isn’t far fetched

The orbiter is the larger section of the liset, whilst the smaller section is the actual landing/boarding craft, not sure if this is true given I asked Xbox gaming copilot how the orbiter operates

[dire mountain]

I missed the nitokh protoframe hate discussion

[fast dew]

No, i don't think they even have uteruses anymore

Let alone anything else associated

[lost crypt]

-# (looks at jade) ...uh -

[fast dew]

Jade was pregnant before hand and was designed explicitly so she could have a child.

[strange plinth]

the one that basically dissolved to give birth, yes

[fast dew]

It was a torture method.

[turbid kestrel]

I thought getting helminthed was the same logic as fnaf spring lock failure

[fast dew]

No??

They kinda get turned to meat soup underneath. Their organs get warped

[strange plinth]

'skin blossomed into sword steel, organs interlinked with untold resilience' or whatever ballas was talking about

[fast dew]

Whatever the hell organs interlinked means

[strange plinth]

Ballas: "... but only just. Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought. We set them upon the battlefield, bio-drones under our command."
of all the quotes to have memorized how's it this one

[fast dew]

I have weirder ones memorised

[turbid kestrel]

Don’t believe anything ball ass says

[loud oriole]

Oops! All one stomach! -Grendel i guess

[fast dew]

Why would. He lie to himself in his own log???

[strange plinth]

in a log meant for hunhow, explicitly about the weaknesses of the warframes?
he's probably being truthful

[turbid kestrel]

Says the SOB that cut off Lotus hand and stabbed us through the chest

[fast dew]

Furthermore, isn't there a corpus related thing where they dissect a warframe and they genuinely cannot find anything that makes sense

[pale cedar]

He in fact did not lie once in that segment

[fast dew]

I don't think you understand how information works

[strange plinth]

at least truthful in his own mind
-# he also blames the warframe insurrections entirely on the infestation instead of the torture these people were going through

[woven coyote]

Liset and orbiter are different things

[turbid kestrel]

Lesson of the day: don’t trust AI, they Lie.

[fast dew]

1. Why would he lie about a warframe weakness to someone who needs to kill warframes and will find out if he lies
2. Why would he try and deceive hunhow in general
3. It clearly true so??

[woven coyote]

Liset is a landing craft. Landing crafts dock on the orbiter

[fast dew]

Parallax being the lil guy..

Type of folk who say Albrecht is lying in his notes/requiem logs

[restive river]

Wait WHAT
SO DID I

[fast dew]

So let's hate again

I think it would be a really bad idea

Oh yeah sure let's be friendly with

Our friend's abuser

[dire mountain]

I just dont think every character ever mentioned needs to be a protoframe

[restive river]

I’m just glad they aren’t doing it
Or
At least they won’t for Garuda who would be the best frame for a hypoethical proto for her

[dire mountain]

Like it happened with Rusalka, Nitokh, even Valdur to a lesser extent

[restive river]

I do think Garuda’s lore will relate to Nitokh, it feels like they want to have her be something later

[dire mountain]

Rusalka and Valdur are their own characters they don't need to be one

[fast dew]

Later on, possibly after the void war ends

[restive river]

Wait
People want Valdur Proto????

[fast dew]

Mhm

[restive river]

Bruh

[fast dew]

Rhino, from memory

[dire mountain]

Some people murmured about it when the old peace dropped

[restive river]

He
DIED

[pale cedar]

I don't think Grineer can even handle becoming a frame

[fast dew]

Ahh some of the uriels could be

[dire mountain]

The only grineer we've seen infested are the modern clone rotted ones tbf

But like

And rusalka the point of her character was to be possessed by the Indifference. Which, the Void and Infested don't really like playing together

[fast dew]

Mmhm

Hey the same thing happened that happened to the Rulsalka is gonna be a Saryn proto truthers, with the Nitokh Garuda proto truthers

Rulsalka is gonna be a saryn proto!!

Minerva is announced

[dire mountain]

It is really funny that its happened twice

[fast dew]

Nitokh is gonna be a Garuda proto!!

Vena is announced

[fast dew]

Something something gullible is written on the ceiling

[pale cedar]

There was someone who after the leak was confirmed fake still tried saying it had to be something because of the leaks existence

[ocean geyser]

More interlinked than they already were i’d assume

[fast dew]

True our organs are pretty interlinked, can't fully get to the heart without going through the lung

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner2049-test-gif-18268638

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-14901082521966246439

[ocean geyser]

Helminth basically making one’s organs even more efficient

Which is impressive tbh

[cosmic badge]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-taunts-thumbs-up-doomguy-gif-19046636

[narrow pendant]

what if the helminth just

[fast dew]

Mm, considering there is very little use for a uterus outside childbirth, I can see helminth genuinely removing it. No need to burn energy on a useless organ

[narrow pendant]

optimize yalls cablemanagement nature did a horrible job fr

[fast dew]

I just realised I still have half a tiramisu

[rigid compass]

Likely means the flesh between organs became more durable, or maybe just the organs themselves became hella strong

[rigid compass]

This is dumb
we should obviously put em through our spine so we cant have our throats slit

🤯

[ocean geyser]

Jade jumpscare

[ocean geyser]

Oh peak

[lost crypt]

so what are all the similarities between the techrot and infestation?
i find it hard to believe they can be the same given that the techrot fuses flesh and technology,but the modern infestation had to be tweaked by alad during the mutalist incursions to infect technology - plus the orokin utilized it due to it's lack of technological properties for the sentients to utilize
so are they just two different things that sort of line up? or what?

[restive river]

They’re the same thing

[fast dew]

Different strains

Their method of transmission might be somewhat different but its still fundamentally the same

[restive river]

Techrot is the earliest form of it that we’re aware of, it’s untamed and wild but still the infestation
Where as the one we have in the modern day has to an extent been shaped by the Orokin, forced into being a weapon

[restive river]

I think it’s largely the same
Spores nd all that

[fast dew]

And. Im pretty sure the infesting technology turned into the whole. Fusing flesh with inorganic objects

[lost crypt]

i just find it fascinating that the techrot is inherently fusing tech and organics whereas the modern infestation had to be modified to do the same

but then again we have.... what - five or six strains of it already?

[restive river]

It didn’t?

The modern infestation does the same thing, it takes both inorganic and organics

Iirc the mutalist strain is the only one that specifically goes after tech, it’s why we could cure Alad

[restive river]

Techrot
Helminth
Mutalist
Grey
And whatever the base one is called
I’m probably missing one

[fast dew]

Helminth does this we see it with a few protos, Roathe specifically

Mire?

[restive river]

Mire is just a weapon

[turbid kestrel]

Mirewinder

blub blub

[restive river]

From the Eris Fragment:

The Infestation spreads across the Origin System – a techno-organic parasite that attaches itself to natural and synthetic forms, slowly digesting the host subject and transforming it on a molecular level. Organic materials morph into new homogeneous organisms while harder, inorganic materials, like metals, will change structurally into a pseudo-organic substance that holds the characteristics of its previous forms.

Same thing with the techrot

Techrot’s just less. Designed? Idk I’m not sure the exact word I’m thinking of
The modern day infestation is just the techrot beaten into relative submission by the Orokin who modified it in different ways

Like Lephantis being an Old War weapon
The entire Helminth strain being what it is
Grey strain being a literal bioweapon

[lost crypt]

it did. back during the mutalist incursions happened,the infestation was tweaked so that it could modify ospreys and moas,but couldn't before. inorganic materials were still able to be absorbed,but not machines exactly - until alad modified it

those are also advanced robotics - but don't see machinery nowadays being affected the same way the techrot gets into just about everything; no ships,things like grineer rollers,cameras,etc - but the techrot will seep into the scrubbers,speakers,computers even without organic components and change them

[restive river]

Derelicts?

I’m unsure of which strain it is but Jordas got infected and he’s essentially code
The techrot is known for eating code

[fast dew]

Mm, domesticated..

[restive river]

Alad’s tweaks may have more so allowed for the more full infection of inorganics, but other strains still take that stuff in and use it

Also very plausible that all Alad did was tweak a dormant gene
Though iirc mutalist only effected tech, hence why we could even cure him

[fast dew]

We feed helminth it all the time

[lost crypt]

jordas came after the incursions anyway

and if the mutalist strain only affected tech,then alad himself wouldn't really have been affected by it to begin with... supposedly. it could explain why it was so slow to change him

[restive river]

Yeah
I’m just not sure what strain got him lol

[restive river]

Yes that’s. That’s why I said why we could cure him

Mutalist is only tech
The rest of the infestation can still infect tech

[woven coyote]

Arlo's more insidious strain

[restive river]

Alad still got infected but it was slow and actually curable
Which no other strain has ever been curable

[restive river]

Do we know if that was a unique one?

We do know it used the same hand gesture as the On-Lyne boys
Which
I love that

[woven coyote]

Certainly behaved uniquely from the rest we know of

[restive river]

Infested really remembered it was a boyband once and tried to achieve cult status again

[woven coyote]

Doing basically a sleeper agent stunt

[fast dew]

As one does

[restive river]

Yeah

[lost crypt]

actually now that i'm thinking about it,wouldn't that itself be it's own separate strain?

[restive river]

We don’t know if that was just the infestation being smart and trying something or a new strain

[lost crypt]

the on-lyne boys i mean

[restive river]

They’re techrot

[lost crypt]

well i know that - but i mean a separate strain of techrot

[dire mountain]

No

[woven coyote]

Weeeeell technically they are called technocyte coda

Coda could refer to a strain

[restive river]

Actually

The clones were made by Scaldra

Maybe they could classify as the first artificial strain

[fast dew]

Oh yeah wait true

[restive river]

Scaldra mucked about with the techrot
Introduced it to their music
Shaped them to act like them based off interviews
Basically just AI

[turbid kestrel]

We know what DE was doing when they made some of the female warframes thicc

[restive river]

Ballas a freak seven days a week

[turbid kestrel]

You ain’t slick DE 🫵🏻

[turbid kestrel]

Bruh, not even the sabbath is safe 😭😭😭

[restive river]

Remember when he was on a leash?
Bro did not need to do all that

[fast dew]

The freakiness of the orokin

Qorvex [Albrecht] to Khora prime [Ballas]

[turbid kestrel]

Bro is whacked

[lost crypt]

i wouldn't say scaldra are the ones that were screwing around with it (barring the tank)
they came in after the city was put under martial law by the government who were already fiddling around with it. the scaldra are a PMC
unless they were already working that closely together

[restive river]

Scaldra literally were the ones to work with the record to make the clones-

[turbid kestrel]

Ballas needs to stop with the orokin parties

[restive river]

Iirc that’s from a KIM chat with Aoi

[turbid kestrel]

Diddy No!

[fast dew]

Ew.

Again? Really?

[cunning ore]

He gave us a reason to be negative tho

Well 🤷‍♀️

[turbid kestrel]

Valid, he cut mums hand off

[cunning ore]

Oh, yea i come to find that ss of saying about the switch between Operator and Drifter.

[turbid kestrel]

Superstition?

[restive river]

Also
And allow me to put on my tionfoil cap
It could be possible O.R.O. had some hand in the testudo virus showing up where it did
Ofc Albrecht sped it up but. It would have become this no matter what, the plague year happens no matter what
And since O.R.O. Is Scaldra’s boss

There is most probably a hole here but I can absolutely see it
Not saying that O.R.O. Is the origin of the infestation, but at most they utilized it

[cunning ore]

Eh? No. Of the transference. This is a good library of ss of lore things but long time to find

[turbid kestrel]

You said SS

[cunning ore]

Screenshot

[lost crypt]

plus it wouldn't be too far off that the government is giving action to the scaldra to begin with - viktor himself is using it as an excuse to wipe out "undesirables" too

[restive river]

O.R.O. also has ties to the Höllvanian government

[turbid kestrel]

This blindness shit is pissing me off

Glasses don’t do shit

[restive river]

We need a new proto in 1999 who’s just a conspiracy theoriest but they work with us and the Hex and oop they were right!

[cunning ore]

Well, you quarantine a zone through, if everything turned to hard just nuke it or doing experiments on it

[restive river]

What frame is the most tinfoil hat?

[cunning ore]

And what does it sound like ? Really Orokin if thinking that the future full of those richest getting blued skin

[woven coyote]

The pc in aoi's store explains the whole technocyte coda boyband deal, and iirc mentions it started before 1999

[cunning ore]

Use Bleach, it work at the cost of even bleeding your eyes

[restive river]

Was it 98?

[lost crypt]

lemme go read those real quick -

[restive river]

I dont think it went as far as 97

[turbid kestrel]

The bite of 87’?

[cunning ore]

I cannot find the ss of that. Anyone can remember how to explain of the case how Drifter can use Operator's abilities?

Fredbear Pizza already?

[lost crypt]

oh - the first date alone is for december 98

it mentions a couple things like the boys being cloned and replicated,and off-camera interviews
but no mention of scaldra in these logs in particular. or "O.R.O"

[woven coyote]

Handshake with wally scene flowing into handshake between operator and drifter

[restive river]

The O.R.O. and Scaldra bits are from temporal archimedia

[lost crypt]

shit i haven't even really done anything with the archimedia -
m w e h . .
i'm gonna have to do those now,aren't i...

[restive river]

Or
Check the transcripts

I don’t believe the archives have it yet so you may have to go to the wiki

[turbid kestrel]

In fanfics they’re breedable

Oh wait, they’re infested

[restive river]

Ok but
That’s Liger

[turbid kestrel]

Scratch that

[turbid kestrel]

I have mastered the void, now kneel and wear this studded collar

[restive river]

The artist lol

[celest needle]

Oh the DE concept artist

[restive river]

Yeah! Lol

[cunning ore]

Thank you, but they seem not understand so it likely no way for me to explain rn

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/miau-golden-tiger-golden-tiger-meow-gif-1444623485095627286

I swear Zephyr deluxe was inspired by Eva-02

Has roughly the EXACT same color scheme

[restive river]

They’re so cute

[lost crypt]

think of it as the MITW having both the hand of the drifer and operator and leverage eternalism; all timelines exist at once
so we to use void jank to swap between the two

[restive river]

Uh
Not quite

Universe no like same thing existing in same spacetime so one goes in void bubble

[lost crypt]

so.... yes,exactly

[restive river]

I don’t think they’re leveraging eternalism though

Drifter is in our timeline
Only other place they can go is the void
The universe meanwhile compensates if they try to exist with Operator in the same instance of spacetime

[fast dew]

True. Liger moment

[restive river]

They’re not accessing eternalism, Wally did that when they got split

[lost crypt]

the very existence of both and bringing one or the other where they "don't belong" is just that; leveraging eternalism for our own use

[restive river]

Wally’s use
He is the one that accesses it

The split happens because he saves them all but never specified that meant us
So we got the split

[lost crypt]

yet we're doing the same if we're swapping between drifter and operator so freely

[cunning ore]

Thank you, i'm looking for this

[restive river]

But we’re not accessing eternalism

One is forced into the void pocket
How they swap is never explained beyond their connection
It doesn’t mean we’re accessing eternalism

[cunning ore]

That paradox is alike another Eternalism thing in my point of view honestly

[restive river]

Their split was Wally accessing eternalism

How we swap is never explained directly afaik

[cunning ore]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-panic-attack-pink-hair-gif-791486951525259621

My brain after trying to understand both: Eternalism and Paradox

But to think of how they swap; Thinking like how they explained of the "slot". It does make me think of would it work like Transference on Warframe but not with a physcial existence but an conceptual embodiment ?

[restive river]

One is observing froma void pocket

[restive river]

Afaik this is the most we know

[lost crypt]

the way i understand it is this;
eternalism is just the thing of both existing at all; multiple timelines and possibilities and all that. multiverse theory given a different name and cemented as real,which existed regardless of wally - with drifter being from a timeline that refused the deal,and the operator taking it. the operator and that zariman were rescued. the drifter and their zariman were not - though during the new war,drifter accepted the deal too
they are the same person that can't exist at the same time in normal spaces. but where the void is most prominent,that rule doesn't matter
but because we're able to switch at all,were utilizing eternalism. placing the drifter and operator in the "wrong" timeline

[lean garden]

ohp

we've got a few misconceptions here

[restive river]

Drifter and Operator aren’t being placed in a timeline
They’re being placed in the void

It’s a void pocket not a timeline hop

[lost crypt]

i'm talking about the one we're actively using,not the one that's inactive

also i'll be back i gotta run a couple errands -

[ocean geyser]

there is no inactive timeline though

everything else is GONE

[restive river]

[ocean geyser]

but alr

[fast dew]

Yeah 99% sure wally ate it

[ocean geyser]

waiting time

[fast dew]

In the meantime, do we think Albrecht knows how to play the shawzin in his netracells

[restive river]

There are other timelines in parallel iirc
Kaya mentions it with the infestation
We got Sirius and Orion

[restive river]

Nah

[lean garden]

eternalism is just the thing of both existing at all; multiple timelines and possibilities and all that.

Its the reason why theres two of them yes

with drifter being from a timeline that refused the deal,and the operator taking it.

Misconception 1. They were both of the same timeline until the moment of the deal. Its not that drifter didnt take it, its that drifter simply wasn't saved after taking the deal. The split lies in the outcome of the taking of the deal

they are the same person that can't exist at the same time in normal spaces. but where the void is most prominent,that rule doesn't matter

As shown in the screenshot

but because we're able to switch at all,were utilizing eternalism. placing the drifter and operator in the "wrong" timeline

Misconception 2. No wrong timeline at all, its a void bubble not a separate timeline, as shown in the screenshot. Even Drifter suggests that they and their version of the zariman are all thats left

[cunning ore]

Shawzin emotes can be played in Albrecht's lab, so why not? /jk

[fast dew]

From memory its the Corbu..? Shawzin

Green one

[fast dew]

Yea? Reckon it's. Loid's or smthn?

[cunning ore]

Yea like by that Eternalism, our Drifter dating everything in the System, except Ballas

[fast dew]

Does. Any of the family mention music outside Daughter?

[restive river]

Nope
I think at most one of them can play the triangle

[fast dew]

Mathematically inclined, over. Musically inclined

[cunning ore]

With what happened to Suda

[woven coyote]

Image it is Euleria's first shawzin lol

[fast dew]

Its the. Corbu, which i think is. One of the.. rock? Metal ones?

[restive river]

Actually
Wait
If Albrecht can play Shawzin. He’s Steve

[fast dew]

Ohhh true true

[pine thistle]

Would Loid betray us if Albrecht demanded it of him

[fast dew]

autoplay cuz i suck but this is what that shawzin sounds like

so. it is certainly a choice albrecht made to have it in his netracells lmao

[fast dew]

I mean. Probably? I doubt he would ever be put in that situation though. Albrecht isnt the exactly the type of person to force Loid to do anything as far as we know

It wholly depends on what the betrayal is on though

[cunning ore]

I agree with the part of Albrecht and Loid's part.

Why old man yaoi so cute and warm when other couple just a bit off umm

[lost crypt]

i return

[cunning ore]

Welcome back

[tall echo]

electric

[lean garden]

@lost crypt for ur kind consideration

[lost crypt]

ohyeah - i saw
misconception 1 i saw - i thought the granting of abilities being the deal,but i stand corrected

misconception 2 i fail to see,though; no matter what way it's cut,the drifter is still from a separate timeline where they were the sole survivor,even if nothing's left of it. if anything that only further reinforces it since it defines the system we're playing as to be the operator's. so when we use drifter,drifter is in the "wrong" timeline
and again i'm not contesting the "void bubble" thing. yes,that's what goes on now but that wasn't in effect prior to new war and then being able to switch

[lean garden]

the thing about 2 is that when drifter is shunted to the void bubble or is out if the void bubble, is completely separate from the mechanisms of eternalism that allowed for drifter to exist.

There is no accessing of eternalism for that shenanigans

even prior to tnw while drifter was bumming around in duviri, eternalism wasnt being continually accessed, because you dont need to continually tap on it to continue drifters existence

[lost crypt]

i would argue relevancy. eternalism is multiverse theory by another name but isn't something that needs to be accessed; if a decision is made to take option A,another reality exists where it was option B instead. so on for every decision possible
the drifter and operator merely existing is a demonstration of eternalism. or rather,proof of it

[restive river]

That other reality only exists as Drifter and their Zariman though, not another timeline
The split happened while they were in the void

And it is something that is accessed, by Wally to some extent

The whole thing about eternalism is that it was theoretical and theoretically you could utilize it to change the frame
Wally is the only entity to do that

The polytemporal nexus is not something we have ever accessed

[lost crypt]

the fact their zariman is separate is another timeline. eternalism has proven to be fact,regardless of the theory prior

[restive river]

But there is no other timeline lol
Drifter and their Zariman is all their is of it because the split happened in the void, outside of spacetime

Drifter is a walking example of eternalism but we are not the ones who access the “polytemporal nexus”

When we swap we aren’t interacting with anything in regards to eternalism except for Drifter, who’s just being pulled out of the void pocket and swapping positions in spacetime with Operator

[lost crypt]

their zariman made the jump just as the operator's did. it had to come from another reality. ergo yes,there is another timeline. and... many more,judging how there were several other operators visible when the operator made the deal
drifter isn't the only evidence of this,either - onkko's ramblings (and the quills by extention) are peeks into these other timelines

[restive river]

Their Zarimans were the same Zariman
The split happens with the deal, not prior to that
Prior to the deal they’re the same person, same ship, same timeline

That is why all that Drifter has of their versions of events is themselves and their Zariman

Their history, their timeline is literally a straight line that diverges while in the void with the deal and they only diverge there due to Wally

You’re failing to account for the fact that they were in the void when it happened, that they weren’t in spacetime

[lost crypt]

in some timeline jank that would also mean both of us are technically right and wrong since the whole thing of 1999 exists
logically that would mean when the stuff with the zariman happened,when eternalism is made real it slaps things back to happening during 1999 happening - making it real back then (though not explained) and up unto now
but i don't think we have any concrete way to tell if things as we've experienced them is legitimately the first time it's happened,or if it's one of many

[blissful merlin]

Also spotted this looking through convos. Made me do the Leo meme haha.

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[restive river]

Palimpsest of spacetime
Events can be rewritten, traces of the original persist
As of when the Zariman happens Albrecht doesn’t go back to 1999 yet to speed up the techrot, make the protos, etc
It is only later when he does that do those things happen

[lost crypt]

actually didn't realize or forgot it had a name -
and doubly so i... somehow forgot about this convo with elanor despite the fact she was the one i picked,,

[restive river]

the most simple example of the palimpsest is the lua spy vaults
rewrite tiny thing in the past to help us in the present

[lost crypt]

-# i haven't touched lua's vaults in a loooong time...

[lean garden]

you misunderstand what Im saying. You are right that tweedledee and tweedledum are proof of concept, yonta says as much. However, eternalism is only relevant as far as how drifter and operator exist as two separate beings. It stops being relevant when it comes to tag team shenanigans

[lost crypt]

but it's no less,still there and exists as a trait

[restive river]

We are not accessing the polytemporal nexus
Aka
Eternalism

[lean garden]

yes sure, but thats not the crux of the matter we are discussing

[restive river]

being a product of it and accessing it constantly are not the same thing

[lean garden]

because if we scroll back up to here, you originally made a link between the lil swapity swap and eternalism, which as we've been saying, aint really much of a link beyond the two goobers existing

[lost crypt]

alright alright i concede

there's something else i wonder
why not take granum's deal?

[lean garden]

which one? brometheus is The Businessman™

[vale wind]

… so a thought occurred to me.

Would simaris, purely from a data standpoint be a Primary Target for Tyl Regor?

Like he synthesises each subject he finds.. and technically you could take the most.. “intact” parts of each sequence to re-create a stable template?

Damn I’d actually like to see that.
Especially when Simaris would be a very interesting thing to fight.
On one end the best way is to distract him. Swarm the Sanctuary or something similar. Make his focus summoning his ‘subjects’ it offers a MASSIVE amount of data and potential synthesis targets.
Then on the other end a smaller team of grineer, likely ellietes or something similar to a more stable Manic goes in the back to attack his data stores

Mans annoying but like… he does technically have an entire army. And from his reminders “my subjects have infinite lives, you don’t”

So.. idk brain is finding the concept interesting after sabotaging Regor’s labs a ton for a mod.. and farming equinox to subsume.

[lean garden]

I cant remember if tyl regor is still alive lol

[lost crypt]

the initial one when we get him outta there; to join his side

[strange plinth]

not heard from again after his assassination mission
tyana pass doesn't count imo, unlocks earlier

[lean garden]

Oh shrimple: He a doodoohead

Critically Parvos isnt helping with the balance of power in the system. Joining up with him is going to destabilise what weve got which may prove detrimental to the system itself

[vale wind]

IMO that makes it more of a possibility? Like they lost their key scientist, best second option is STEALING the data instead and using that.

[restive river]

Granum's not a good person, that's why lol

[strange plinth]

Kahl: "Those genestamps. Record how we made. Record how we die."
Kahl: "Hmm. Queens put genestamp in machine. Next time brothers come out better. Kahl remember Brothers his way."
seems like that's already what the queen(s) do, to some extent
making the best templates out of what they have
simaris would have a larger pool to pull from, in a way, as well as the closest thing to an 'archive' of genestamps
but it'd still be working with the same clonerot

[lean garden]

additional pointers:
Granum is significantly more competent than the whole of the corpus, but thats exactly why joining him is so dangerous

[woven coyote]

Would be the same as any grineer in the wild

[vale wind]

Depends on how far back his database goes.
Like genetic defects canonically are a stacking effect that Tyl Regor was working to reverse.

[woven coyote]

Dunno about larger pool
We probably cant scan more grineer than there are actually out there

It could work as an archive yeah, only problem being the grineer templates after we wake up and scan would probably already be completely shot

[woven coyote]

Probably not far enough

[fast dew]

Tyl Regor mention

[woven coyote]

[fast dew]

Tyl the beloved

[pine thistle]

I want to see more of the Orokin

[fast dew]

Peak design

I. Kinda don't want to see more of the orokin

It makes. The other orokin less impactful

[lost crypt]

man's got the GLUTES

[pine thistle]

We’ve already seen probably almost all there is to see of the Corpus, the Grineer, the Sentients, the Infested

The one faction that isn’t fully fleshed out is the Orokin

[fast dew]

I dont think we've seen much of the sentients or the infestation, not fully

The orokin we've. Experienced for almost the whole story, while we don't know much of the whole culture, the same goes for every other faction

They're supposed to be an unknown, thats what happens when you murder the vast majority of them

[strange plinth]

that's kinda the narrative role they play
they're the ancient civilization that everyone's just living in the ruins of

[vale wind]

I love the way we’ve been seeing of the Orokin, it’s key people.
Old peace and that I also liked what we saw.
But that’s what I feel it should be, were walking back on old battlefields we once tore through.

Nihil is one of the remaining few and he literally ran instead of fight, same with.. I forget his name, from Vorunas lore.

[fast dew]

Tuvul, you're thinking of Tuvul

Nihil my beloved tho shout out Nihil

[midnight ice]

itd be nice to have other aspects of the orokin and not orokin themselves. more kinds of ruins to explore! more secondhand storytelling

[midnight ice]

shoutout mr. retcon

[fast dew]

Get Roathe to spoon feed us information or something

again

[strange plinth]

put scarne's corpse in a void tower somewhere /s

[dire mountain]

Id love to explore more dilapidated orokin ruins

Not even orokin towers necessarily

[fast dew]

We should be allowed to look at Tormis' ship the sentients decided to mess up

[lean garden]

or have scarne be someone we know

[lost crypt]

there's also still other members of the board that can arise
and likewise,prominent grineer that could arise
though i do think the orokin are a little too used but at the same time i'm utterly fascinated with uriel and... with the old peace,anything else from back then that could arise. we've seen prime grineer after all - there could easily be more there

[vale wind]

If you want some fun stuff he talks about a ship FULL of Mirmidons, before the Old War. Then looking at Ivaras lore. What single units were capable of.

[fast dew]

Show us the gilderglass enchantress or whatever the hell it was called

[dire mountain]

The ruins of tauron academy...

[vale wind]

Show what the sentients ACTUALLY did to absolutely destroy them.

[dire mountain]

Tauron academy presumably had a helminth right? For warframe maintenence?

[fast dew]

Mm, its so cool. Best thing Roathe does with his character

[fast dew]

Oh... oh no..

[strange plinth]

mm, potentially

[lost crypt]

i wanna see corposium dammit,,

[fast dew]

Thats not good i don't think..

[midnight ice]

ruh roh

[dire mountain]

Knowing the helminth strains "docile"ness

It can't be that bad right?

[fast dew]

A starved dog will still bite

[strange plinth]

i am still advocating for the ruins of the prison that lavos worked in

[fast dew]

Helminth still. Grows. It still does the thing infestation does, and I would assume some of that docility comes from actually being fed

[vale wind]

YES. that or like.. just id love what we saw in Chains Of Harrow. Not the Harrow part but. Like seeing the aftermath, the scratches on the walls. Bullet holes, plasma burns.

(I am a big fan of actually seeing battle damage. I don’t like how.. clean. Things can be.)

[dire mountain]

Best case scenario is it died while tauron was crashing and burning

[fast dew]

I would imagine a mutation or something could occur forcing helminth to. Infest other things for food

[lost crypt]

i'm in major agreeance with this honestly

[fast dew]

Oh my god no what if it ate the sentients

[strange plinth]

unfortunately, this line does exist

The prison of Dabaoth-Kra no longer stands: both it and the slumped Venusian mountain peak upon which it stood were long ago obliterated. We have only records to tell us what went on there.
but like. idk put it underground

[fast dew]

Allow us to relive it through a memory idk

[strange plinth]

put lavos in the refractory

[fast dew]

Don't let the dark refractory just sit there

[dire mountain]

I dont think infestation can?

[vale wind]

I don’t like being spoon fed the idea. Allot of the older content did that. I want to be shown that a battle took place. Old peace has that in spades. But that’s a battle in progress.

[fast dew]

They. Are inorganic enough, I wouldn't be. Surprised. The hivemind might cause an issue but its. Not. Entirely out there

[fast dew]

Love how DE never explained why Albrecht even made the dark refractory by the way 😭

[lost crypt]

-# what's with the periods in the middle of a sentence -

[vale wind]

-# Me looking at the Multiple Jordas we fight

[dire mountain]

Emphasis

[fast dew]

I use speech to text, i pause a lot when speaking and the program interprets it as a period, im too lazy to fix it lmao

Usually if you dont see em, I'm actually typing

[lost crypt]

oh -
that makes a lot of sense actually

[strange plinth]

oh lmao
i use em for emphasis at least

[lost crypt]

if i ever need emphasis on things i just use * bits

[midnight ice]

messing around. think of it like a summer car

[fast dew]

I did notice you've picked it up mildly

[fast dew]

And not. The cars he has in his labs 😭

[midnight ice]

no yeah those are cars for other seasons. the dark refractory is for funsies

[pine thistle]

I want to see the Orokin Empire during its golden age, even though that’ll probably never happen, but I have to wonder just how mighty they were then. How their cities looked, how the Executors of that era were, how things were in the system.

It would also be fresh, since I assume such a golden age would’ve obviously preceded the Corpus, Tenno, and Sentients, and likely also void travel. It would’ve been during the days when carrying Innodem as a sign to protect the innocent meant something, and even when Continuity itself was held in high regard as an honor.

[vale wind]

Also. I know I’ve mentioned this before but anyone else realise the Hunhulus looks ALLOT like Hunhow but instead of trying to emulate their human creators they reverted back to their more Sentient nature?

[fast dew]

Yeah. Theres rhe theory the hun- part of hunhullus is more of a class of sentients

[midnight ice]

my theory is Hun- is a sentient prefix denoting massive big ass sentients

[dire mountain]

Yeah thats my running theory

Needs more data points truth be told

[fast dew]

I think it does have merit for sure

[dire mountain]

Would a tiny hunhow just be a how

[fast dew]

Lilhow :(

[celest needle]

Nestlewood

[vale wind]

My brain mostly made the connection due to adis. He removes the mask and I’m reminded how they’re literally forcing themselves to limit to human forms. And how much they change once those limits no longer matter.

[fast dew]

-# nestawood

But imagine Albrecht giving a xx99 peasant nestawood and watching as the guy explodes

[dire mountain]

Is the -lyst suffix reserved for fragments intended for terrestrial purposes

[fast dew]

Mm, yeah I like that idea

[dire mountain]

Then the ix/yx/ex is like space faring

[radiant pier]

Thomas.

[fast dew]

Wuh

[strange plinth]

threatening

[lean garden]

where does the rolypoly fit

[dire mountain]

Is atmospheric a more apt term

Theres a word I feel is better that I've forgotten

[fast dew]

Planetary or whatever

[dire mountain]

Id say planetary but does planetary include other celestial bodies like moons

[fast dew]

Shit

Uhh. Good question

[pine thistle]

Imagine seeing this cities at their pinnacle

[vale wind]

I’d love to see a hive mind pyramid based in hat idea. Hunhow is clearly the current biggest node on the hive mind but ye. I wonder

[pine thistle]

Say what you want about the Orokin but man could they build

[dire mountain]

I dont think I've ever looked out at the orokin city on lua

[fast dew]

The orokin are artistic, but christ they are. Evil

And I'd imagine those cities aren't exclusive to the orokin caste

[vale wind]

Also my god the sheer damage of the Archons Pre/Post war.
Like. Pupper is whittled down to near nothing in comparison..

[pine thistle]

Part of me wants to imagine during their early era and golden age they were more akin to Kryptonians on Krypton, but perhaps that’s just wishful thinking

[midnight ice]

amar.. my piece of shite wuppyog :(

[dire mountain]

Id love to see more sentient beasts outside the ones we already know

[fast dew]

Mm, from the start it was. Already messed up. Continuity was "willing" but I imagine it was more of. "Cult leader is asking me to do something so I must lest I be shunned" willingly over. Enthusiastic Continuity

[dire mountain]

Little sentient cat just for fun

Not even like a lion or tiger

[pine thistle]

Ballas could’ve probably used Narmer to re-establish the old Empire if he wanted to, but we all know by then he was driven completely to madness, as Roathe says.

[vale wind]

I mean we see the shreds of what would become the Orokin in the Scaldra? Or at least that’s how I see it with Victors Rapier

[fast dew]

Mm, there is a connection to 1999 and the orokin, outside Albrecht

[strange plinth]

the scaldra are more like the Dax than the orokin
ORO is more likely to become the orokin, based on their shenanigans and direct name connection

[pine thistle]

Maybe at the beginning they were decent for humanity, and then got progressively worse

I mean humanity had like 18 radiation wars pre Orokin so I can’t imagine humanity was doing all that well

[fast dew]

Oh, no ORO was also pretty evil

Like iirc they did. Some shit

Grey do you remember why we hate ORO

[strange plinth]

not exactly but i can find the min/vel chat

[dire mountain]

Didn't they hire scaldra

[fast dew]

Oh wait im. Pretty sure they're responsible for the nuke actually going off
-# reminder that Albrecht only used it, not set it up

[strange plinth]

they owned it iirc
amir was working for them

[vale wind]

I like the concept but, frankly Orokin and their history isn’t exactly good. If it was they wouldn’t have erased it and replaced it with propaganda. You don’t do that, if you saved people you ride that as part of your history as “we are your saviours, you owe us as your families wouldn’t exist without us”

[pine thistle]

I’m not saying the were good, but I imagine having over a dozen radiation wars that all probably utilised nuclear weapons likely left humanity on the brink, so when the Orokin came along everyone was like “whatever it can’t be worse than what happened before”

[vale wind]

Imo, Orokin used those wars to “wipe the slate clean” and give themselves a direct advantage.

[fast dew]

Also do. You remember why Amir didn't report Albrecht. Getting into their systems? He did that right or am I schizo

[strange plinth]

iirc he was more panicked about someone getting in than anything else

[fast dew]

That

Is so silly 😭

If you're worried bro tell a supervisor

[strange plinth]

can also find that once i find the minvel convo

[fast dew]

Danke

[vale wind]

Kin meaning children of, or at least related to.

There’s also the Oroworks in the Zariman which could be a term that’s survived the language transition

[fast dew]

Mm. From memory its. Related to the word gold

Perhaps in. Spanish? Maybe Latin..

[pine thistle]

Orokin means “Child of Gold”

Or children of gold

[vale wind]

Im not at all a language expert. I mix Welsh and French to make an abomination. So never trust me on that XD

[fast dew]

Haha i can get behind that

[pine thistle]

🗿

[strange plinth]

MomToxicated: What he probably didn't tell you, is the fact that I had just come back from a year-long black ops intel operation investigating Scaldra.
I didn't just have "a suspicion" about them, I had FACTS. Binders and stacks of floppy disks of FACTS.
They're bought and sold for by some of the biggest corporations in this world. Ones whose corruption and greed run deep.
We're talking "remake the world into their oligarchic dystopia" where us peasants live to serve them and rake the fields and kiss their golden feet.
scaldra, traded around by what's implied to be ORO

[lean garden]

My take on Oroworks is that its oro time babey. Oroworks is where the thing from the mind place is working

[lean garden]

so its not oro as in O.R.O or orokin but rather the very controversial Oro

[fast dew]

Oh sick

They did eventually succeed too

[fast dew]

Mm, thats a good point

Didn't even think of Oro as in the mind thing

That. Kalymos would possess for some reason

-# cuz she's a smart girl

[vale wind]

BUT YEA. in general I definitely think Oro is the beginning. So. Never a good group

My theory is this is what started as Orokin.
They instigated the radiation wars and made sure they were the ones able to duck and cover. Not even a matter of being the only ones to survive, only that they were the least debilitated and able to adapt verses their competition.

After that they could start rewriting history and making the Orokin.

[fast dew]

Yeah that's a solid theory

I think its what the game is implying

[vale wind]

Also just seems egotistical enough and almost ironic that they’d call it Orokin.

Like. The Orokin would hate to know they were named after a company and not literal Children of Gold. Imagine how devastated they’d be XD

[fast dew]

[strange plinth]

-# A: without a whole lot of supervision or anybody else mucking around in the same databases i was
-# A: so when this big...creepy eyeball shows up and i start getting IMPOSSIBLE messages from a dr. e STRAIGHT TO MY DESKTOP
-# D: Oh no...
-# A: i understand NOW that it was future tech and he was hacking my old school computer like it was a freakin' speak & spell but at the time the only answer i had was FULL ON DEMONIC POSSESSION
-# A: and this dr. e wanted specs on the reactor and told me it was a matter of life or death
-# A: not just for höllvania
-# A: or earth
-# A: but everyone everywhere FOREVER
-# A: HAHAHAH COOL COOL NO PRESSURE
-# D: What did you do?
-# A: I GAVE HIM WHAT HE WANTED
-# A: but then the O.R.O. found out... i don't know how i covered my tracks perfectly i KNOW i did
-# A: and they sent scaldra after me because i was a traitor to national security they said

[fast dew]

Christ.

Albrecht moment ™

Amir really did fold like wet paper though 😭

[restive river]

I wonder if Albrecht ever asked for the specs and Neci just said no lol

[restive river]

Ok but you would too in that scenario

[fast dew]

Not. Not particularly

Id just think its a scam or some form of malware and ignore it lmao

[vale wind]

shows the orokin they’re named after a random company
They slowly look over at their gold covered rooms, their uncomfortable golden chairs.
I get executed. But they have to live with that knowledge and throw away any ayatans in a vault.

[fast dew]

Its asking for super confidential details saying my livelihood is on the line, sounds like a classic scam

[strange plinth]

still on what should've been a closed network

[dire mountain]

Tbf i don't think we even know for sure if the oro in orokin is based on the gold or the oro.

yes metanarratively its probably based on gold because like. Look at them

[fast dew]

It could've still been closed, Albrecht mightve just been plugged in somewhere

[fast dew]

Half the "antivirus" slop you can get are the same lmao

Norton you SUCK

[vale wind]

To give Amir credit, he was going against future tech from an advanced Orokin scientist. I would assume simply the eyes weren’t the only thing he did to make it convincing. There’s malware then there’s a man that knows the rules of reality.

[lean garden]

tbvvvvvvvvvf

cybersec back in those days...

[fast dew]

I suppose 😭

[lean garden]

all those nigerian princes

[fast dew]

McAfee does more heinous shit

[strange plinth]

the guy or the antivirus /s

[fast dew]

Wanna bet the coda's antivirus are similar to it

Maybe that's why it works

They get sick of the popups

[celest needle]

I wonder how many Cephalons still exist in the current system

Of course there's a handful but the Corpus also own Sark

And Vull exists

[vale wind]

In one of the quests where Simaris talks to Ordis he mentions others, but they’re all insanely damaged or simply falling apart

Similarly with how the infestation partially converted Jordas

There’s also TECHNICALLY Melica but she’s severely damaged and what’s left is looping her last known tasks.

…can you imagine instead of.. what i think is a science vessel the infestation snagged a Railjack?

[narrow pendant]

i wonder if cephalons can merge or be integrated with a sentient

we already saw hunhow being able to enter the weave and amalgamation seems to be versatile aswell

[strange plinth]

hunhow tried to take over suda, yea
and implied it was part of the plan during the old war

[narrow pendant]

lmao imagine them just shutting up daklo

[strange plinth]

Suda-Hunhow: "Another Cephalon made null as we prepare. The others I will divide and destroy. Your Tenno will be data-blind."
aka: an actual reason that daklo could've been afraid of them but no he was just racist instead

[narrow pendant]

daklo being racist still implies the orokin specifically decided not to remove that trait from him

and sent him to tau for the funnies

[strange plinth]

xata

[humble sierra]

Maybe he was actually a super chill Sentient Rights activist but they added racism precepts

[strange plinth]

i'm not sure which would be funnier

[celest needle]

they've gotta make division if they ever ~~planned ~~ to betray them

[tall echo]

or added it

[stiff folio]

A large part of the Sentient is that they adapt to all technology. They absolutely could take over tech and it's happened in the story before. Just like how the Infested could with Jordas, or Hunhow with Suda.

I've always been curious about infested sentient myself. Or infested sentient technology combining.

[tall echo]

infested and sentients just get stuck in a stalemate when they meet canonically

[smoky gulch]

Unstoppable festering force versus self-fixing immovable wall?

[humble sierra]

Pretty much

[tall echo]

both are unstoppable and immovable in that situation

[humble sierra]

Both would probably adapt to each other until they lived symbiotically, like maybe Caliban

[smoky gulch]

Infestation would be chill with that - it's not above meaningless battle as seen in Deimos

[narrow pendant]

i ment less of taking it over but like, fusing/combining their minds in a way that one isnt overridden

imagine ordis getting some sort of sentient mech body when we go back to tau lmao

[stiff folio]

I mean I guess it makes sense that it could work that way. Like a Sentient controlling the computer side of a hound, whilst the infested control the fleshy side. Same with moas.

Hopefully something to be explored

[restive river]

So you guys know how people speedscale frames?
“Who’s faster volt or gauss” “Titania has entered the chat” etc etc
Well those people tend to leave out any frame that can instantly travel for whatever reason, I guess we’re measuring the time it takes between and not from point A to B.
But if we include those frames, who would be the fastest?
I’m ofc more so talking lore-wise but finding out who it is gameplay wise is equally neat.
Anyway, In lore we know Kaya was able to create a portal from Earth to a comet, idr if it states how far away said comet is but that is an impressive feat regardless and I’m unsure if any other teleporter/portal maker has been given a canon range except for Wisp.
Wisp’s Sol Gate is an instant portal to the sun, she can be anywhere within the solar system, utilize it just as fast as if she was next to it and this feat could extend to Tau. Of course the caveat here is, she cannot use this portal for herself but technically she may have the largest range and quickest time from bringing something from point A to B.
Thoughts?
Did I miss anyone?

[lean garden]

what about frames like ash loki kullervo and follie?

who all have some form of teleport mechanics

[restive river]

I considered them too but we don’t know their range, just their speed

Can Follie hop from Pluto to Mercury in a second?

[lean garden]

I think range and speed would require two different categories yknow?

like how we have the 100m and the marathon

[celest needle]

Didn't Uriel just fly up to Tauron?

[restive river]

Fair, but I’m taking both into account here
Wisp and Nova have been shown to have absurd ranges compared to painting hop
Which is also just as instant

[lean garden]

very true

[restive river]

Yes, he just flew to It

[celest needle]

that counts as a pretty damn high feat right?

[restive river]

I’d say we can’t fully take that into account though as we don’t know the distance nor how fast it actually was

Which Wisp and Nova still beat him

Uriel goes in the pile with Titania, Wukong, Volt and Gauss
He has travel time
These teleporters and portal makers do not

[celest needle]

Honorable mention to Protea and Limbo as they can jut
control time herself and Limbo open a portal to the space in-between reality and the void

[restive river]

Limbo utilizes the veil specifically, which I guess is different

Afaik those both have travel time
Protea can reverse herself and at most can do that instantly though

But with Protea it’s also more
Point B to point A

Her range is still determined by where she can go
Unless if she can reverse herself to any past moment
But she still had to have been there, Wisp has on demand portal to the sun

I do wonder if Wisp and Nova have definitive ranges
I would assume so cause. If Wisp can be anywhere within or outside of the universe (the void) and instantly have access to the sun or if Nova can send her portal in any direction and just go there that’d be insane
And could also solve a lot of travel issues

Have some Novas ready for Tau 🤷‍♀️

[celest needle]

I wonder if Nova was used for transporation

she seems like the type of frame that'd be way better then just filling up a ship with people

[restive river]

The biggest issue with Nova would just be the calculations, y’know
Actually hitting your target lol

[drowsy saddle]

if we chain enough novas together we can reach tau

[restive river]

Wisp obviously cannot be used cause her portal goes to one place only :p

[restive river]

Or
Get Limbo to calculate what spot Nova would need to cast her wormhole for her to get us to Tau

We only need one
But that one needs really precise aim
Like
More precise than you’re expecting

[celest needle]

hmmmm
actually now that I think about it, why can't archons use their warframes abilities?

its not like the host needs to be alive for the warframes to work

[restive river]

Might be they got their bluetooth to the heart disabled

Sentients no like void

[celest needle]

The infestation does have access to Mesa's abilities when Mutalist Alad V got ahold of her

and the infestation is deathly afraid of the void

[restive river]

Well that’s still just a frame though

[drowsy saddle]

with a 290% nova, we only need 65.248.275.862.068 novas to make enough portals to reach tau

[restive river]

Afraid of it =/= harmful to it
If that was the case then no frame would work lol

[pale cedar]

Infestation isn't deathly afraid of the Void they're afraid of Wally

[restive river]

Yeah it is more so a Wally problem

[celest needle]

damn it I'm learning shit, 😔

[restive river]

They don’t like the void in general iirc cause
Can’t infest it
But Wally is the particularly scary thing

[pale cedar]

You can even see Infestation go into the Void

[restive river]

The void itself is mostly nothing
It has energy ofc but. Can the infestation even subsume that? That being energy in general lol

Nemesis
What do you think about my speedscale statement

[drowsy saddle]

actually wait, i only calculated for 1 lightyear. we need 7.764.137.931.034.482.758 novas at max range to pull it off

[restive river]

It’d help if we know what speed the sentients were traveling and for how long
Or just
How far Tau is

[pale cedar]

Speedframe debates are almost impossible to determine because gameplay vs lore and that DE don't tell us

[restive river]

I know we have some speculations on it’s real life counterpart but the Tau system we see seems to be fictitious ):

[drowsy saddle]

google says Tau ceti is 11.9 lightyears from earth, or about 112.580.000.000.000 kilometers

[restive river]

Did you read what I said lol

[restive river]

We don’t know if it’s actually Tau ceti

Tau ceti isn’t a blue white binary system

[drowsy saddle]

alpha centauri B would be 4,37 lightyears..

[restive river]

Could just be in this version of the universe it has that but we don’t really know

[pale cedar]

Tau irl is legit just a single star

[drowsy saddle]

ACB would need 2.851.241.379.310.344.827 Novas to make it from earth

[restive river]

We should prob do it from Pluto but
Depends what side of the system’s it’s on lol

I think people forget that Navigation isn’t an accurate depiction of our solar system
It’s
Constantly in motion

[humble sierra]

Tangentially related but one time Wally West, the Flash, once had to run faster than an interplanetary teleportation device

[restive river]

It is curious that the void and zariman are following

[restive river]

Oh that’s cool

[drowsy saddle]

i mean the zariman has to follow the sun

[restive river]

The Zariman is half stuck in the void

[drowsy saddle]

otherwise it'd leave the solar system

[pale cedar]

Tau im Warframe could also be Alpha Centauri but shortened name

[humble sierra]

Or just a made-up star system named after the existing Tau Ceti but possibly much further than it

[restive river]

I’m not really sure how we can still access void towers and how the Zariman hasn’t drifted off due to it’s plug situation
Yes the sun has a gravity well
But how does something that’s half in the void interact with that? Ofc it still “feels” that tug but it’s bringing along the hole

[drowsy saddle]

we believe it should follow

[pale cedar]

I feel if it wasn't the closest system lorewise the Orokin would've sent the Sentients somewhere else

[drowsy saddle]

ergo it moves

[restive river]

Yes but how lol

[drowsy saddle]

we conceptually embodiment the thing to follow the sun

[restive river]

:p

[drowsy saddle]

powah of da mind

that or wally tidal locked the entire galaxy

[humble sierra]

The hole moves

Or the hole is also just a conceptual hole and isn't bound by physics

[restive river]

This line from Yonta

"Why does it feel like we're moving?"

Because you are girl
That’s how space works

[restive river]

It do be the void

[drowsy saddle]

if it was a physical hole, can we cut things on the edge?

how thin is a hole in reality

[restive river]

I know with the void towers and such structures they likely have a way to track them relative to realspace
Just
Unsure of how that works with us constantly moving

The solar system isn’t still

[drowsy saddle]

probably anchored to a realspace location?

[restive river]

It feels like holes are conceptual sometimes with how people talk about them lol

[pale cedar]

Simple

Void science and reason failing for the millionth time

[drowsy saddle]

topalogically speaking, the zariman hole is a flat disc

[restive river]

Oh! Like
Because what they’re anchored to they’re moving through the void relative to realspace!

I’m blanking
We have a specific item that does this iirc lol

[drowsy saddle]

i assume every void tower is linked to realspace portal

[restive river]

Lanthorns!

[pale cedar]

I'm surprised Wally doesn't just lightly tap the Zariman

[drowsy saddle]

zariman self corrects

[restive river]

A ceremonial beacon used to map Void locations on to real space.

[drowsy saddle]

like a boat that keeps flipping right side up

[restive river]

Duviri in the way

[twin wigeon]

duviri is like tethered to the other end of the zariman

[restive river]

With space not existing in the void like
How it does in realspace I do wonder what happens with gravity

[drowsy saddle]

real question is whether the zariman is being pushed out of duviri into our reality, or is it being shoved into duviri? maybe its both and that's why its not moving?

[drowsy saddle]

ain't that an eminem song

[restive river]

The way it appears it’s more like
A curtain revealing something lol

[pale cedar]

Zariman in the Zariman

[drowsy saddle]

-# Snap back to reality, ope, there goes gravity

[restive river]

I hate it when i crash into myself

[drowsy saddle]

so we're propblocking itself

gmod collision noises

[smoky gulch]

I ship it as selfcest

[restive river]

😭

[twin wigeon]

😭

[humble sierra]

😭

[drowsy saddle]

😭

[pale cedar]

Due to Elternalism I can actually go forever on the fact there's a Zariman in the Zariman that is also in the Zariman

[humble sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

[drowsy saddle]

if the zariman is ever freed then an infinite amount of zarimans spawn and GMod crashes

[twin wigeon]

this gif is my only contribution to the channel

[restive river]

Oh yeah
The hole has the membrane

"Membrane's still holding… for now."

[lean garden]

isnt there a big tunnel through its center?

[humble sierra]

That's probably the main reason it's stuck there ngl

Like how normal Baro couldn't enter normal space while Orab was there

[drowsy saddle]

we hit the 16bit integer limit

[restive river]

That’s also cause the whole
Universe no like two parallels versions of the same thing existing within the same instance of spacetime

[drowsy saddle]

i wonder what's worse, reality on the source engine, or on the bethesda engine

[pale cedar]

With all the Zariman parking inside of each other do you think they get a bit claustrophobic

[restive river]

Ye

[drowsy saddle]

as long as it stays perfectly still, they take up 0 space

[pale cedar]

What if the Void storms are just the Zariman having a crashout from being moved

[drowsy saddle]

i thought they were wally taking a dump

[celest needle]

Chromosome

[narrow pendant]

just realized that what i thought of with sentient and cephalon mind fusing is super similar to tenno warframe transference

so would be super interesting if DE decides to explore that indeed

[stiff folio]

I don't know the specifics about why we don't have sentient/infestation crossbreeding but I take it as both of them being hyper-adaptable lifeforms, so they are literally just adapting to each other faster than each other can handle.

The weakness of the sentient is that they were designed to counteract technology, so they're weak to simple brute force, which is what the infested was made for.
The infested were weak to tech, until Alad Gregory V was a dumb voidhole and managed to create a strain that can infest technology, the mutalist strain.

I'd really like to see what comes of infested sentients, and sentient infested, especially given they're both hive minds, highly adaptable, and evidently able to graft onto organic beings (e.g chimera prologue, and stalker sorta)

I guess they're like water and oil, in a way

Both liquids, but directly incompatible

[twin wigeon]

[Insert Caliban Prime]

Human + Infestation + Sentient hybrid

https://tenor.com/view/caliban-warframe-war-frame-gif-6691571392389225885

[stiff folio]

Yeah, pretty much, but we're more interested in knowing how the consciousness of that would work. Hit me up when we get Caliban protoframe for when we go to Tau :p

We could say the same about Chroma since the dragon part of him is actually a Sentient pelt that he wears draped over him like an animal fur

[lost crypt]

i for one want to see the specific thing that pelt came from

doubly so i wonder what chroma would look like if he were designed nowadays

[opaque zenith]

-# sorry

[lost crypt]

DNSKGHL-
okay the sound i just made -

also just learned cursing is a no-no here and i find that hilarious

[opaque zenith]

You can still say Ball ass so there's that silver lining
at least

[lost crypt]

can't use the B-word though the grineer call you that outright -

hm... tuyk?

oh i was legitimately not expecting that to work - that's a good alternative

[pale cedar]

Pretty sure you can say every swear word that has been used in the game

[lost crypt]

to be fair the grineer say it in their own tongue; "gutora" i think

one of the few words they have that don't sound english

[pale cedar]

I swear I have never heard a Grineer say that

[lost crypt]

phonetically it sounds more like "goortra" or even "hrotoi" or something
"rue,gar tenno son-of-gutora" translating according to "die,tenno son-of-a-b####"

but it sounds different between the male voices like some other phrases do

i'd kill to hear all the grineer/corpus bosses actually speak their respective tongue more,though. vor used to but not anymore. and kril and the sergeant both suffer from being so old their vocal speech doesn't match their given text

actually i think the only one to do so properly is the raptors in their boss fight

[pale cedar]

I think DE just find it easier not changing it slightly

[lost crypt]

probably,but still

i wish sergeant and kril got a glowup in general. sergeant especially since he's just a sniper crewman with a different paint

like even with my corpus obsession aside - bro needs it

[pale cedar]

He used to be Nef Anyo

[lost crypt]

i know - i think i was playing at that time

[pale cedar]

DE should buff him a bit cuz he keeps holding back

There's surely some strength he refuses to show

[lost crypt]

god now i'm remembering some old events

i wonder how a boss fight with neffy now would go,tho

[pale cedar]

Should give him one of the harder fights they made

[stiff folio]

Ballas building Voruna

[restive river]

Kaya used to curse 😔

[stiff folio]

Sergeant did have a scrapped rework where he was Nef Anyo's son or something like that, he'd ride a hoverboard and CC you around whilst you tried to catch him.

Prior to that, Sergeant actually used to be Nef Anyo (by name only)

[restive river]

Wasn’t the rework just for him to be Nef?

We know a new nef fight was planned

[stiff folio]

He was Nef originally by name, then changed to Sergeant, and there was stuff for Derf Anyo

[restive river]

In the art book we have remnants of it too

[stiff folio]

Here's the concept art

[restive river]

Lmao

[stiff folio]

I'd really love to be able to kill ol' Neffy though. When he's unconscious I'll add additional pencil moustaches to him

[restive river]

We need all the anyo fights one day

[stiff folio]

I want all boss fights to be on the level of Vor, Kela, and Oraxia

[restive river]

If it’s online try to find the stuff for Nef’s fight
He had like
A top hat thing

[lost crypt]

looks kinda like the comba/scrambus units we got now -

[restive river]

I would like to think it’s something they’ll do over time like the heirlooms

[stiff folio]

Sergeant needs the rework the most, then Lech Kril (I'd honestly just settle for visual clarity on what you're supposed to do, or the Lotus giving some transmissions like "Scans of the target's armour reveal a weak point on their backpacks. Try freezing them to make the weak point vulnerable."

[restive river]

If i could get to my artbook I’d show you the nef boss fight concept art

[stiff folio]

This?

[lost crypt]

i've seen the tophat looking thing before and the visor going with it -

yea that

[restive river]

I did kril again recently after years to help a friend
It took way too long lol

[restive river]

Yesss

He looks so stupid i love it

[stiff folio]

I find Kril kind of frustrating because it's not really clear what you're supposed to do. I genuinely think just one transmission explaining to attack his back when he's frozen would be enough

[restive river]

Agreed

[lost crypt]

i want to take off one of his toaster box shoes and beat him with it

[stiff folio]

I'd like some elaboration on the lore of WHY the bosses keep coming back too, to steer things back into the intended lore talk of this channel

[restive river]

That should the reward for his SP variant

[stiff folio]

Grineer are clones, we can even see some cloned bodies of Lech Kril I think? in the Kuva Fortress

[restive river]

There isn’t really one being gameplay
Doing the node again isn’t them coming back

I know some return to a degree

[stiff folio]

The chronology of Alad V is a great example of why I think we need old operations to return as quests

Unless you go on the wiki, you won't know who the Acolytes are exactly or what they're talking about, or why they're here. Same with why Alad is suddenly infested, then not infested, etc.