lore-discussion

[fast dew]

I like the name Flynn Taggart

Better than.

John

[zinc trench]

btw, if Jade can pregnants when she a warframe, so...protoframe can be pregnants too☝️ 🐧

[fast dew]

Mm

Jade was pregnant before she became a warframe

And she was built for the explicit purpose to retain it

[tall echo]

that name seems oddly familiar

[tall echo]

no

[fast dew]

Ever read the classic doom books? If so, thats where its from

[tall echo]

I have not

[pale cedar]

No, once you’re infested you’re unable to get pregnant

[dark compass]

So I'm not the only one huh

[zinc trench]

let Tenno hope, bro🐧

[pale cedar]

Hopeium is overrated

[zinc trench]

and as i remember, when we chat on KIM with HEX

[fast dew]

Weird what the hell lmao

Mm, tryna think of any Flynns in media

[zinc trench]

the genitals still functioning

[stiff beacon]

yea shit seems familiar

like is he a character from knack?

or like another game that face planted

[tall echo]

never

[tall echo]

taggart makes me think it's just taken from some pirate or sailor

[zinc trench]

if not, well, we can still romance and have wild night on bed with frame

[rigid compass]

Sure buddy whatever u want

[fast dew]

He is from the 90s, so think around that time

[radiant pier]

what was that sound

that was a door opening

[fast dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taggart

Best we got

[radiant pier]

WHY ARE YOU ALL IN MY ROOM

[rigid compass]

Eternalism

[radiant pier]

undecorated

[zinc trench]

bro, not i mean can have babe or not, just can still use for sexual

[fast dew]

Possibly but weirdly i do not imagine the folks at idsoftware were fans of this lmao

[rigid compass]

Hey DE added it so its canon to protos ig

[radiant pier]

why are they all here

GET OUTT

[rigid compass]

Do tempestarrii sonion

[pale cedar]

Eleanor was just making a joke tbh

Not sure if others do

[rigid compass]

Im talking about the ***

[unique talon]

I mean can they still.. you know.. do that thing?

[rigid compass]

The thing

[zinc trench]

yeah, i mean Aoi, Kaya still

[radiant pier]

Kaya

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/4d3d3d3engaged-jazz-music-stops-jazz-stops-reaction-wtf-gif-13574415

[unique talon]

The action we do to perpetuate our society

[unique talon]

Epstein?

[rigid compass]

The thing

How old is kaya?

Isnt she 19?

[pale cedar]

19

[zinc trench]

she in university

so, legal

[rigid compass]

She going to uni as a proto? 😭 ✌️

[radiant pier]

of all the options, you choose the teenager

[unique talon]

I've heard that's still considered minor in some countries

[tall echo]

no

[rigid compass]

Some is like a few Asian countries like Japan where 20 is adult i think

[tall echo]

kaya stopped at some point around turning

[rigid compass]

Shame she needs to get education its important

[tall echo]

the one with related trauma

[radiant pier]

yeah that too

[pale cedar]

She got an education in going to the future

[zinc trench]

no, but she know the lesson we learn in uni, i mean she smart enough to understand all that sht

[fast dew]

She just turned 19 at the start of 1999

[rigid compass]

Unc😔 🥀

[radiant pier]

she was able to time travel, I think she's fine without it

[radiant pier]

still weird as hell btw

[fast dew]

So

Not university i don't think, unless she like. Graduated at 17??

[zinc trench]

18 is legal btw

[rigid compass]

A lot of people graduate high school at 17

[rigid compass]

How old u?

[radiant pier]

you're still weird as hell

[unique talon]

I know DE said proto Garuda has no interest on US but what about ash?

[radiant pier]

unless you're an incredibly similar age

[pale cedar]

Couldn’t she have graduated at 18

[fast dew]

We really shouldn't be defining what's okay or not based on age

[zinc trench]

bro, i know my wife when she 18 and im 21

[fast dew]

As in

[rigid compass]

Um

[fast dew]

Ew

[radiant pier]

and don't you bring up "legal age" in countries run by

ew

no wonder you're defending this

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-3629102471708018520

[unique talon]

A bit personal but ok.. ig

[zinc trench]

oh yeah, guess when our grandparent have child at 16-17 years old

[fast dew]

Wh

[zinc trench]

is not weird

[radiant pier]

it is weird

[fast dew]

Thats weird and thats not okay

[radiant pier]

very weird

[unique talon]

Ok that's actually REALLY weird

[fast dew]

To be clear the teenage pregnancy part

[zinc trench]

dont apply standard of this time to old time or future

[radiant pier]

wait so you're deadass a grown ass man spending his very "adult" time on..... arguing about Kaya and legal age

[fast dew]

Like my mum had her first kid at 15 and

She wasn't okay

[ocean geyser]

Also not particularly surprising
People were doing weird shit back then dawg

[radiant pier]

this a grown man

[rigid compass]

Its pretty normal for older generations especially in less developed countries but if he from America or something thats pretty young

[fast dew]

I mean
Very hot take but just because its normal doesn't mean its okay

[unique talon]

Changing subject, how it was orokin relationships? Did they still date or something?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[unique talon]

Bet any women would date Ballas XD

[pale cedar]

Margulis

[fast dew]

Going off the healthiest we've seen, between two orokin [Mother and Father], pretty normal

They even had a wedding ring

[rigid compass]

Names like the only orokin relationship weve seen lol

[devout fractal]

Alright. I’m getting into Stolen Dreams, give me something about it that like- I’ll get later???? A warning

[fast dew]

Roathe and Nitokh

[radiant pier]

I would not bring up less developed countries in this, we'll just summarize it with "it's developmentally terrible here"

[pale cedar]

I wanna see what Fathers new arm will look like

[fast dew]

We haven't seen many orokin relationships in general, no matter who else its with

[rigid compass]

As far as I know theres nothing other than his voicemail of that ain't there?

[zinc trench]

even Uriel cant understand that

[fast dew]

Mm, generally how he was treated by Nitokh, yes

[ocean geyser]

And not many of those were as mutual as one would hope

(Dagath back when she was a Dax)

[rigid compass]

Between two orokin theres only 2 I think and also of equal standing too maybe then just father and mother

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

Not many orokin-orokin pairings
That we know of at least

There were probably plenty in the background

[fast dew]

Albrecht and Loid's is the healthiest overall

[rigid compass]

Not another orokin

[fast dew]

Still more healthy than father and mother at the start

[ocean geyser]

I think Thomas just meant it in general

[rigid compass]

Ye

[fast dew]

Overall as in the whole group of people who have been with an orokin

[zinc trench]

btw, what your guys choose, Aoi, Lettie, Eleanor or Minerva

[pale cedar]

Wasn’t the Dagath story 2 Orokin and the Dax?

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[rigid compass]

No.

[pale cedar]

So it’s 3

[fast dew]

Eleanor, if I have to

Flare if I had a choice between them all

[zinc trench]

ey, silver tongue

[rigid compass]

I CHOOSE DEATH

[ocean geyser]

Bro think he Thragg

[unique talon]

What about the guitar?

[fast dew]

Lizzie can get it yeah

[pale cedar]

Roathe Nitohk

Dagath story couple

Father and Mother

[ocean geyser]

Based

[zinc trench]

dirty talk?

[fast dew]

She and Flare do.

Do it somehow

[pale cedar]

Son had a Fiancée that could’ve been Orokin

[ocean geyser]

Technically Albrecht and his wife
Although I don’t think either of them liked eachother

[fast dew]

Glad they elaborated

[fast dew]

True Albrecht and Gerivaine too

[pale cedar]

Arranged marriage

[rigid compass]

Lowkirkenuinely tears albrechts head off and flys to tau to battle peak sentients and beats wally with a super death beam

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[fast dew]

As much as they didn't love each other

I do like to think they were at least friends

[zinc trench]

Do daughter have too?

[ocean geyser]

Im both surprised and also very surprised

Canon???

[ocean geyser]

Don’t think so

[fast dew]

She is the youngest as far as I know

[zinc trench]

check message on KIM

[unique talon]

She has the Chad Khal

[ocean geyser]

I’d have to dig through Kimulacrum

[unique talon]

I believe we have a high probability of a proto Dante coming

[radiant pier]

Rebb please let it be hilarious

please let it be DMC Dante's VA and face model

[pale cedar]

Daughter and Khal is a complicated one

They’re a very distanced relationship

[radiant pier]

it's so dumb, and it's precisely why I need it

[unique talon]

Ok, that would actually be hilarious

[zinc trench]

well, Kaelli(daughter is cute) ,she match Aoi cuteness

[unique talon]

She mistreats Khal

[radiant pier]

...anyway

[pale cedar]

She’s also violent

[unique talon]

Bad

[ocean geyser]

Racism
Although she does get better

[pale cedar]

She literally got a gift and used it to pull off her fathers arm

[unique talon]

Almost forgot she's part of orokin scum

[pale cedar]

How

[radiant pier]

yeah I also forgot about the Orokin part for awhile before she

[zinc trench]

well, "i can fix her" time

[pale cedar]

It’s the one thing I don’t forget

[radiant pier]

did a racism and revealed she's had her dad's arm ripped off

[fast dew]

And thats how you get stabbed

[pale cedar]

In her new dialogue she bashes on Albrecht like she’s way better than him

[fast dew]

And or mutilated further

[radiant pier]

we all agree we're just gonna ignore that one guy here yeah?

[fast dew]

Right? Like girl least he aint racist

[unique talon]

Question: how in the actual hell and why did she cut her own father's arm?

[radiant pier]

wait you're married and you're thirsting for the teenagers in game

[fast dew]

Ew oh my god

[radiant pier]

I genuinely do not know

[unique talon]

I won't even ask

[radiant pier]

all in favor in ignoring that guy say I, I

[zinc trench]

talk about Violent
when we want romance Lettie, we need to Hard way with her, like Quincy say, dont go easy with her

[radiant pier]

yeah it's weird

[fast dew]

Mm, from memory it had something to with her father's expectations

[radiant pier]

I used to think it was the infestation that got his arm

[zinc trench]

and she like it

[radiant pier]

cuz that just looks nasty

[pale cedar]

It was the infested daughter

[unique talon]

Could we please change topics?

[zinc trench]

i think that how the golem we fight come from

[radiant pier]

hey don't look at us, I'm talking about the arm

[pale cedar]

What’s wrong with the topic?

[radiant pier]

the....the other guy

[pale cedar]

Oh

[zinc trench]

👀

[unique talon]

You can ask DE modder about that

[radiant pier]

oh yeahhh

[pale cedar]

There’s people who Mod DE now?

[radiant pier]

just use mod mail

[pale cedar]

Modmail isn’t even Modmail

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that’s how you get Vergil’s chair

[radiant pier]

I'm not on my laptop rn so I can't verify discord and report the guy being weird

[pale cedar]

Modmail is a suggestion thing rather than for getting moderation help

Mods can only read it

It is run wholly by DE

Even has DE weekday rules

[radiant pier]

nah it's also used for discord moderation apparently, some people report the weird stuff and actually get a long mute

[pale cedar]

Spec told me they can only read it

It’s not true ModMail

DE are the ones who manage it

Not Mods

[radiant pier]

wait which are we talking about

[pale cedar]

This servers Modmail is so you can send them server suggestions rather than if you need help

Mod action can happen from it but it operates on the same weekday rule that support has

[radiant pier]

we're talking about #modmail , right?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[radiant pier]

I don't really get what point you're trying to make in relation to mine

[pale cedar]

It’s wholly run by DE

It follows the same weekday responses only as Support has

It’s not true modmail where mods handle reports from it

[radiant pier]

okay I just gotta ask, are you saying discord stuff doesn't happen from #modmail at all, just a yes or no would suffice

[zinc trench]

ok, we change topic, how about power of frame?

[pale cedar]

I’m saying it’s designed to make discord server suggestions

Not for moderation

[radiant pier]

what was the point of this

[pale cedar]

You could report something and wait a whole week before anything happens to it

[loud oriole]

-# i’ve only used modmail once and that was strictly for a compromised discord user DM’n a very not warframe/soulframe related server

[radiant pier]

so it still works.....what was the point of this conversation

[pale cedar]

The point was DE set it up for suggestions and a lot can happen in a week and that person can get worse

DE want you to ping the role not Modmail

[radiant pier]

so modmail but it'll take awhile, or @mod for a quicker response

[pale cedar]

It’s essentially suggestion mail

[radiant pier]

we spent 20 minutes on this

[pale cedar]

It wasn’t 20 mins

[radiant pier]

18 minutes

are you usually like this

I'm just gonna close my eyes

[pale cedar]

I mean you’re the one who kept being confused about me simply saying Modmail isn’t designed for actual Modmail

[radiant pier]

do you not see what's so confusing about that sentence

[pale cedar]

I explained it simply

Modmail was set up for suggestions and Mods have no access to it

[zinc trench]

👀 how fast of Gauss?

[pale cedar]

Fast

[loud oriole]

fast

[pale cedar]

Slow

[zinc trench]

slower than volt

in lore

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gauss-running-fast-speed-gif-27402371

[pale cedar]

Tbh

There’s no fastest in lore

That’s not to say he’s not fast just DE don’t give us lore speed

[zinc trench]

the song

[radiant pier]

one sentence could've saved us 20 minutes

[loud oriole]

yeah technically compared regular fodder opponents all frames are fast

[zinc trench]

gauss can wipeout atmosphere

but in cinematic, he slower than volt

[unique talon]

If parvos grannum is already rich, what the hell he wants from Albrecht stuff and why he needs drusus?

[woven coyote]

Please no useless powerscaling that never leads anywhere

[tall echo]

money

[unique talon]

Like.. more?

[tall echo]

there is no "enough" for rich people

[pale cedar]

Can never be too rich

[woven coyote]

Insert parvos speech about idleness

[radiant pier]

I mean look at IRL

greed is unmatched

[zinc trench]

and how credit worth in future, when hollar dollar is easy to pay

[pale cedar]

It’s funny how Treasurer calls us a low thief when his boss started the Corpus by stealing

[woven coyote]

Yuuuup

[pale cedar]

Parvos legit lost a hand for being a thief

[zinc trench]

and how Baroor can buy a whole relay by herself?

[unique talon]

I mean, is there no relevant quest to help drusus?

[woven coyote]

And almost died in a eerily similar way to a drug mule

[pale cedar]

There’s a mission about you helping Drusus

[radiant pier]

probably just a coincidence

[unique talon]

He still owes parvos as I can see

[woven coyote]

Yep

[unique talon]

And it's hilarious how ordis doesn't fear him XD

[pale cedar]

What did Drusus do with the 10 mil I gave him?

[smoky gulch]

:)

[zinc trench]

ordis is warcriminal

[woven coyote]

Piece of pottery for the leverian

[woven coyote]

He isnt

[unique talon]

Like: "dude, I gave you 500k credits what the hell did you do with it?"

[woven coyote]

Decorated mercenary really doesnt get close to warcriminal

[woven coyote]

"This stone is reported to be a fragment of the floor during the night of naga drums"

[zinc trench]

well, he want to rip parvus to a piece🐧

[woven coyote]

Anyone with good sense would

[radiant pier]

you know that weird old uncle in large family gatherings? the ones that give "advice"?

that's probably what Ordis sees Parvos as

[woven coyote]

Nah, creepy door to door pyramid scheme seller

[radiant pier]

the two are not mutually exclusive

he's.....weird

[woven coyote]

There is no familial relation is the point

He is just the creepy weirdo ringing the doorbell

While wally lives in the walls

[radiant pier]

the three are not mutually exclusive

we should add more titles for Parvos

[woven coyote]

I dont think anyone wants to be in the same family as parvos

[radiant pier]

creepy family member that gives crap advice, pyramid scheme seller, creepy weird at the door

[zinc trench]

Why sister of parvos, not brotherhod?

[twin wigeon]

bc he wanted sisters

[fast dew]

He hated his brother

[woven coyote]

I am scared of why you want parvos to be part of the family so much

[twin wigeon]

that too

[radiant pier]

what?

[zinc trench]

well,look at Parvos style, how rich of him, and how poor to another people on cetus

[radiant pier]

I'm saying his advice is akin to what a weirdo extended old family member would say to you

....aka the one you look in disgust and ignore....

[pale cedar]

I remember when there was someone in here a bit ago calling Parvos a good guy because he isn’t as bad as Nef

They also doubled down on it when we called him worse

[zinc trench]

he pay salary for his crew?

[radiant pier]

how and who

how does one even get to that thought process

[pale cedar]

I don’t remember the name of the person but it shouldn’t be too hard to find if you search it

[zinc trench]

i mean, when grinner have no money, parvos give people job and money

[radiant pier]

how does one make that statement after the quest that keeps telling us his return is terrible and is buddy-buddy with the Orokin, with Ballass nonetheless

then again we have had people call Ballass right before so ig that's somehow not too out of the ordinary

[pale cedar]

He will just as easily get rid of you if you do something he doesn’t like

He’s no better than the rest of the Corpus he’s just better at acting better

[zinc trench]

steel mederian?

[pale cedar]

Parvos often kidnaps people

What about SM?

[zinc trench]

oj, wrong sydicate

The Perrin Sequence, is corpus one

[pale cedar]

He kidnaps Solaris

[zinc trench]

btw, the relay is build by corpus, right?

[pale cedar]

It’s rebuilt by SM iirc

[strange plinth]

strata was rebuilt by SM yea
others are just attributed to the tenno faction

[zinc trench]

and baroor have her own relay on mars

do we rescure her one time to unlock?

grinner or corpus kidnap her?

[pale cedar]

Maroo was being hunted down for scamming

[radiant pier]

fair

[zinc trench]

from parvos

is parvos have been scam from her, i agree

[pale cedar]

By Grineer

How she found Bazaar actually has lore

Shuhari Asks: How did Maroo find her bazaar?

The rogue known as Maroo has earned many connections through her less-than-honest dealings, but how she acquired her 'open market' remains a mystery. This does not mean that we have not taken some effort into learning the truth. Maroo's facility is, while minimalistic, impressive enough to have earned the curiosity of the Lotus.

Our most compelling leads suggest that Maroo had the facility reconstructed from the remnant debris of Tenno relays. The financial cost of such an endeavour would certainly be enormous, but it can be assumed that Maroo does make a significant return from transactions that occur on her trading post.

[ocean geyser]

This guy?

[pale cedar]

It was much more recent than that

[ocean geyser]

O

[pale cedar]

Like 2024-25

Maybe early 2026

[zenith quail]

When did Arthur save the Drifter? It was mentioned a few times in KIM, but I don't remember it.

[woven coyote]

You mean this line about his nightmare?

Another slightly different nightmare line

Cant find any other line related to arthur saving drifter

All others are about drifter saving the hex, or the deal with wally

[fast dew]

today on bullshit I see

This is about of the entrati family

Shit man if you don't want to grind warframe is not for you

[woven coyote]

Those people really just announcing how rancid their personalities are

[ocean geyser]

Dude’s looking in the entire wrong place too 💀

[fast dew]

Like shit is a 30 minute quest too much 😭

[tall echo]

not... really?

[ocean geyser]

I mean

Sorta
Yeah the Entrati are nearby but Lyon’s in the sanctum bro

“Plot grind” is kind of disappointing though

[tall echo]

which is
first accessed through the necralisk

they're looking in the right place, just way too early

[fast dew]

Semantics or whatever

[ocean geyser]

It’s always annoying when that happens
Zooming off to lategame for a single thing
There’s so much else one could do and yet people speedrun the whole game just to get one guy

[fast dew]

Mmhm

[strange turtle]

I mean yeah but it’s not hard to figure out that the latest content in a live service game is placed much later on

Especially when it’s something like time travel to 18- sorry “xx99”

[zenith quail]

I'm not that far in the story. I've only completed the Hex quest, haven't gotten the other ending yet.

[pale cedar]

He didn’t kill you

I’d say that’s certainly saving your ass material

[woven coyote]

After a bunch of boolean checking i think i managed to find where that starts

[woven coyote]

The saved your ass boolean comes from only that convo with aoi

Seems to be just banter and not actually saving anyone

[sleek berry]

When it comes to Shared Trauma, two individuals come to mind: Stalker and Umbra.

Yes, their relationships with those whom they have traumatic experiences with differ (son vs. wife), but they both lost someone they unconditionally cared for.

In the end of his story, Umbra let the Operator heal him of his pain and trauma. Do we know if Stalker will come to the same conclusion, in time?

[ashen pulsar]

probably not

he still hates us

[pallid spoke]

And himself, if what Hunhow said at the end of Second Dream isn't retconned.

Stalker's generally too self-destructive to accept help (in anything that doesn't relate to killing Tenno). Jade Shadows was an exception to the rule because of the circumstance.

[sleek berry]

Really can't wait for Jade Shadows pt2, kinda looking forward to what the Stalker does next in the story and his child Grogu

[stiff beacon]

he's bout to deal with double the future unpaid child support

[crystal vigil]

can i send like... a massive paragraph of a durviri theory🥹

[pale cedar]

You can

[crystal vigil]

Teshins bugging me, we don't know enough about him nor how on in the world he got into durviri or rather how he got out, it could be that he somehow diverged into 2 beings like the operator and drifter did, but that doesn't make sense either, as Wally wasn't around back then, time travel could let Wally find teshin, but why? did entrati want to make someone from teshins time a protoframe? was that roathe? because i'm fairly sure teshin isn't a protoframe.
i do believe teshin is a tenno though, as he knows far too much about warframes. with his skills we surely would have heard about him in the war's during the operators past, and how on earth did he not age? hes a human right? so how has he survived all of these years without cryostasis? and where exactly did he find the thornbark?
I suspect Teshin could be originally from durviri, meaning he isint a real person, but writing. though, who exactly was he within the book? hes a mentor to us, and that makes no sense considering we've never met him, yet hes also in our world? so he must be a mentor within the story. now for as teshin being a tenno, three warframes seem to have connections to durviri, dagath with her kaith( still unsure about this as kaiths might be a real thing in warframe as well), koumei with her decree's, and Kurvello as he's physically inside of durviri, I'm fairly sure teshin is the tenno of kurvello, kurvello is the only male warframe there, and teshin is the the only human there, no one else seems to have a trace of void energy yet we can clearly see it covering teshins eyes and face but enough about teshin and more onto the physical world. Koumei, shes a sort of goddess of fate to the people of cetus, she blesses them, blesses us aswell, and how she looks, she does have very Japanese styled design, but also metal circular joints? yes im aware hes clearly based off of a doll, but yk what else looks like a doll? the durviri orokin. there were many other ways they could have shown koumei was a doll, but the devs chose golden sphere joints, mix that with decree's and it stands out as durviri orokin.
Koumei's whole mission is that if you want to change your fate, you have to live through it first, she has a shrine, you brine her offerings to gain blessings.
Thats odd, she gave us a chance at rewinding the threads of fate, but in order to do so, we have to stroke her ego by giving her gifts while we're surrounded by infested? seems a bit, greedy, egotistical, now it might just be that shes a god, or that she still has that orokin mindset.
so basically my theories are just that Koumei is a orokin from durviri, and teshin is a tenno from durviri

[crystal vigil]

thank god🥹

[crystal vigil]

Completely off of memory so do not take this as fact at all

[pale cedar]

How far in the story are you?

[crystal vigil]

finished all the quests

[pale cedar]

Teshin in Duviri was thrown in through the Void portal

[crystal vigil]

he was?? wait where did we find that out 😭

i cant remember that at all and its been bugging me

[pallid spoke]

It happens off-screen during New War.

[pale cedar]

Remember when you was thrown in

Teshin was thrown in sometime after you

[crystal vigil]

ohhh right and then he meets the drifter

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[crystal vigil]

that makes more sense

[pale cedar]

Later in KIM you learn he can’t leave

[crystal vigil]

who do i have to talk to in there to learn that?

[pale cedar]

Been a while but I think it’s an Arthur convo

[crystal vigil]

ohh ill try talking to aurthur more

currently trying to find out more about kurvello because im fairly sure hes in the void for the same reason as teshin but not 100% sure

[pale cedar]

Sort of

[crystal vigil]

Yeah kurvello and teshin were both thrown into durviri for plotting and acting against an orokin executor

[pale cedar]

He unlike Teshin wasn’t thrown in but Void bombed himself in there

[crystal vigil]

oh 😭

Tyvm for helping me find out about how teshin was in durviri that was bugging me so much

[pale cedar]

All good

[woven coyote]

Other things that point to duviri teshin being new war teshin are
The log about scholar's landing with acrithis quickly mebtioneing the hermit(a.k.a teshin)
And when you can examine teshins cave during duviri paradox he actually has the veil he was wearing during the void portal scene

[dire mountain]

Well less "thrown" and more like "accidentally fell into"

[dire mountain]

Anyone or thing except albrecht entering duviri is a lot of luck

[fast dew]

Eh, even then I do not think he intended to actually get into duviri

[ashen pulsar]

acrithis has a quote about it too

[fast dew]

Let alone return

[woven coyote]

Yeah this quote lol

[ashen pulsar]

oh was that her

[woven coyote]

All lost islands fragments are written by acrithis

[crystal vigil]

how have i never noticed his veil 😭 i've gotta go look at that rn

[woven coyote]

Cant say it is there after the quest havent checked

[crystal vigil]

ooo

[woven coyote]

But it is there during the quest

[fast dew]

He made Loid promise something regarding the cavia, keeping them alive or. Making sure they're okay. This. Seems to be right before his trip to duviri

[crystal vigil]

ohh i see

[ashen pulsar]

hm
they should’ve retconned it to add kull

[fast dew]

This is. In reference to Albrecht

[fast dew]

If he intended to return i don't imagine he would've made Loid promise that

[crystal vigil]

he might have just been unsure if he could return, after all hes running away from the indifference and at that time he didnt know its weakness

[fast dew]

Mm, true, but that's not what he seemed to be focused on prior.

"I must atone for what I had done through my own blood." was one of the things he mentioned almost immediately beforehand

Tldr more evidence to Albrecht's trip to duviri was a suicide attempt

[crystal vigil]

right, i cant actually think of anything else that message could possibly mean

[fast dew]

Like i could understand the first part, "i must atone for what I had done" seems pretty easy but the uh

Blood part and the no scapegoat parts is pretty. Interesting

[crystal vigil]

and it doesent seem like he means fighting

[fast dew]

He was particularly ashamed and guilty for leaving too, which. Isnt good

[crystal vigil]

i havent finished 1999 yet, do we ever see entranti after the hex quest?

[fast dew]

Nup!

[crystal vigil]

or well the second one kind of

[fast dew]

The good ending part yeah

[crystal vigil]

interesting

[fast dew]

We haven't seen him since

[crystal vigil]

hopefully we see him in the next big update, he's left far too many unanswered questions

[fast dew]

Mm, end of year update seems likely

[crystal vigil]

already waiting till 2027 for my koumei prime... i suppose i could wait for entranti 😭

[fast dew]

Me and Qorvex

[crystal vigil]

😭 its possible for him to get one this year right?

[fast dew]

Mm, next year iirc

[crystal vigil]

rip 😭 youre in the same boat

[fast dew]

Around the 3/4 year mark from memory

[crystal vigil]

.... 2028 till koumei..

😭

[fast dew]

Mm, Protea was. What. 2020? And hers was like. 2024

[crystal vigil]

oh god

[fast dew]

We're gonna have to wait but thats okay

[crystal vigil]

my regular koumei is enough for now i suppose

[celest needle]

Uriel Prime soon guys trust

[crystal vigil]

😭

follie prime next update guys

[strange turtle]

Duviri doesn’t have Orokin, though they do/did have figures who were aware they were modelled after them to some degree

[crystal vigil]

right but theyre the book versions of orokin as durviri is just writing brang to life via the power of the void

[strange turtle]

No

[crystal vigil]

?

[strange turtle]

They’re their own thing

[crystal vigil]

theyre words

[strange turtle]

They just know that they got modelled after them

[strange turtle]

They’re people

They’re based on a story, but they’re as real as the Holdfasts

[crystal vigil]

right...? but when talking about "durviri orokin" its very apparent of whats being talked about, because their race doesent exactly have a name and theyre based off of orokin from their book

[twin wigeon]

Koumei!!!!!!

[crystal vigil]

yesss i love koumei sm

[twin wigeon]

A Tenno of distinction, are we

[crystal vigil]

indeed indeed

using her in durvivir as we speak

[twin wigeon]

I love and have her theme song playing in my dormizone at all times

[twin wigeon]

Ahhhhh just as DE intended

[crystal vigil]

unfortunately i have no good weapons but kompressa on

Cerata is good, however i dont own it so the mods suck

[barren jasper]

Teshin is a dax soldier, not a tenno btw

[crystal vigil]

yes and imentioned why i believed he could be a dax

humans do not live for thousands of years, he did,

[ashen pulsar]

how old is darvo again?

[crystal vigil]

no clue

[pale cedar]

Almost 105

[ashen pulsar]

there we go

[crystal vigil]

real life humans have lived to 110

[pale cedar]

His father is still alive

[ashen pulsar]

and he is known as roughly a teenager, right?

[crystal vigil]

teshin has lived since the era of dax

Darvo? isint he an old man

[stiff beacon]

for a corpus yes

[ashen pulsar]

people live longer when science is better

[stiff beacon]

cryopods baby

[crystal vigil]

he wasent in one

we learn that because of his rifle thornbark

[pale cedar]

We are also evidence of a human who is over 1000 years old

The Orokin who are still human are way older than us

[crystal vigil]

orokin are blue bro 😭 they know something we dont

[pale cedar]

Advanced system means 100 isn’t the max age

[pale cedar]

How to paint their skin

[ashen pulsar]

Science is better in the future, believe it or not

[ashen pulsar]

closer to tattoos i’d assume

[pale cedar]

A very large tattoo

[crystal vigil]

right, but the only other dax we ever see are vestiges or from durviri

not to mention excalibur umbra was old and frail

[pale cedar]

Because we killed them

[ashen pulsar]

weren’t they mostly killed?

[crystal vigil]

there would absolutely be survivors

[pale cedar]

Teshin directly stated he was the last of his kind which was sort of retconned but can be explained as him just not knowing everything

And we never see any others past the 2 in game

[crystal vigil]

teshin wandered the universe for thousands of years, i struggle to believe he would have never seen another dax

[stiff beacon]

you mean system

[crystal vigil]

yes

[pale cedar]

Because they’re dead

[crystal vigil]

yeah my pointr

[pale cedar]

We destroyed the Empire which included the Dax

[crystal vigil]

theyre humans they are not living for thousands of years, teshin however could, therefore i think hes different

[pale cedar]

Only 2 survived

Varzia also lived 1000 years

[crystal vigil]

when do we learn that?

[pallid spoke]

Warframe humans do live that long.

[smoky gulch]

Varzia cryoslept through all the stuff

[crystal vigil]

right that explains it

[crystal vigil]

teshin was not in cryostasis

[smoky gulch]

Teshin, though, has some immense lifespan that is never questioned, never expanded on

[crystal vigil]

😭

[fast dew]

Orokin servants are built to live a long time

[pale cedar]

Yet shows the Orokin extended the life of the Dax so they could serve longer

[pallid spoke]

*Provided they miraculously aren't murdered before then.

[pale cedar]

Advanced tech means they can serve longer

[fast dew]

Loid, before cryo should look far older than he does

[strange turtle]

Warframe has significant life extending augmentation

[crystal vigil]

but thats never been mentioned and if it were the case we would have seen more orokins from that era

[fast dew]

We

[crystal vigil]

didnt protea's master die of old age?

[strange turtle]

We wouldn’t because we killed them

[fast dew]

Murdered them

[strange turtle]

Protea’s master was Parvos, who is still around

[pale cedar]

We killed them lol

[pallid spoke]

No?

Parvos is still very much alive.

[fast dew]

Somehow

[strange turtle]

Warframe has great life extension augmentation. Not on the level of like some the stuff in say, 40k, but it’s enough that Darvo is viewed like a teen at 100 and something, elf style

[crystal vigil]

right, within the void, the void also being what i initially had as thought for teshin, since my theory was about him being a tenno

[pallid spoke]

Also, Darvo was said to be 110-something years old, and still being treated like a teenager by his father.

[pale cedar]

Where do people get that Parvos is dead from? We literally see him alive at the end of the quest and he shows up like 3 times after

[twin wigeon]

Yeah hes just trapped in the void and is likely unkillable there

[crystal vigil]

havent done the quest in nearly two years, i only asked about if he died

[pallid spoke]

Pretty sure he's not trapped in the Granum Void anymore.

[fast dew]

Buh

[twin wigeon]

Pretty sure he still is

[fast dew]

He can't leave, or he dies

[pale cedar]

It’s not you rather there’s loads of people thinking he is on both servers

[twin wigeon]

Yeah hes like a gajillion years old

He’s been alive since the orokin empire

[crystal vigil]

i suppose it would be considering he was thought to have died within the quest and that leaves more of an impression then when he spoke and was shown alive

[fast dew]

And. Again, Loid looking to be in his 40s when logically he cannot be

[twin wigeon]

The granum void seems to pause his aging, thats why he invites his Sisterhood and Vala Glarios there instead of going to them

Before deadlock it’s presumed that he died due to corporate sabotage

[pallid spoke]

He's not trapped there though, the trailer for Dante Unbound shows Parvos physically standing in Albrecht's labs.

[celest needle]

man still looks like a shriveled raisin

[fast dew]

Wh

[pale cedar]

I don’t think he is trapped there as we see him in the lab cutscene

[fast dew]

What 😭 insane lore drop

[twin wigeon]

Wuh

[fast dew]

He. can't be in there unless he like

Went through the wally void

[twin wigeon]

Ohhhhhhh

Maybe it’s a datascape like the uh Leverian

[crystal vigil]

couldent he have js like, walked down the stairs from deimos 🥹

[pale cedar]

In the trailer for the depression update he’s shown out of the Void

[fast dew]

And get murdered by the very very pissed off Loid, who already hates him for previous robberies?

[strange turtle]

He’d have to go through Infestation, the family, Loid and the necramechs without being noticed

[crystal vigil]

i dont dout he could do it

[fast dew]

Don't doubt a lover scorned.

[crystal vigil]

corpus are proven to be able to go invis

[restive river]

Hey all what’s the discussion today!

[fast dew]

Loid is a very scary man when he isnt dealing with us

[pallid spoke]

And I mean, wasn't the dialogue when the Protea Specter fight starts supposed to imply that Parvos was escaping?

By now your friends have noticed that the overloading engines are preventing the exits you opened for my captives... from closing. Well done. And goodbye. Enjoy your stay.

[strange turtle]

He’d also have to get past the sealing doors and, weird voidy elevator thing

[fast dew]

And given Loid's fought corpus before, I imagine they might have tools in place to stop their invis stuff

[restive river]

Zylok Prime + Double jump + Being about to swing around ekhein go brrrr

[crystal vigil]

right true the doors are automatic, forgot about that

[restive river]

Are we talking about Parvos getting into the labs :?

[pallid spoke]

Yes.

[crystal vigil]

currently yes

[pale cedar]

Parvos was not in fact trapped

[twin wigeon]

Damn, reading comprehension is crazy with Ducky

[crystal vigil]

we know he was there but, how? it doesent quite make any sense

[restive river]

He would not have done that till Dante’s update

[fast dew]

I do not imagine Roathe is an easy one to scare, him being. Spooked from the POM-2 by Loid "looming" over him during that kim chat probably means loid is

Scary

[crystal vigil]

yup, but we still dont know how

[pale cedar]

He used his legs and went to the labs

He can just leave the Void

[restive river]

Well
He has access to his own void
The labs are being invaded by a void entity and its region of the void
The void angels got in some how and they’re from the Zariman
So I could see him sneaking forces in through the void

[crystal vigil]

invis means he cant open the door, none invis and he'd get slimed, use the void and wally would take over his body

[restive river]

Storming deimos isn’t an option but storming the void is

[crystal vigil]

wait void angels got in???

[fast dew]

Mnm

[twin wigeon]

There is indeed a gaping hole into the void, several actually

[restive river]

Ye!

[restive river]

Thanks Wally

[fast dew]

Gargoyle's cry iirc

[strange turtle]

It was during the Gargoyle’s Cry operation

[pale cedar]

Void angels got in and Wally still isn’t free

[restive river]

And archimedia

That’s how we revive

[twin wigeon]

And archimedia when someone dies

[strange turtle]

If you’ve checked the Operator Report on the computer, you’ll have seen that the big Void portal from TNW had consequences

[fast dew]

Mm, did Loid help through the operation or was he somehow kept in the dark

[pale cedar]

Angels of the Zariman actually demotes you as you rank up

[restive river]

It was mostly fib establishing the network

[twin wigeon]

What

[pale cedar]

You from Seraphim to just Angel

[restive river]

Gargoyle cry was about seeing up a defense network essentially, now we got eyes

[twin wigeon]

Nooooo

I wanna be a seraphimmmmm

[strange turtle]

Gargoyle’s Cry was about setting up a Gargoyle Network and fighting Void Angels and Fragmented Ones, so that you could always detect when the worsened intrusions happened

[fast dew]

The. Second set of eyes

[restive river]

I choose not to be of the heavens but to be of the earth

[fast dew]

Seraphim... as in the Seraphim from the hit game doom eternal

[restive river]

Nah it’s jade

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/honk-gif-15712168502511469889

[crystal vigil]

i viciously hate jade

[strange turtle]

Tenno? Can you hear me? Allow me to be the first to congratulate you on the laying of this, the foundation stone of a future both stable and secure. Your Dojo may now connect with others to form a mighty bastion against the Murmur's nullifying and relentless expansion. [pause] What? [stammers] A miscalculation, surely…. [pause] Uh… new plan. The Gargoyle must be re-calibrated, DISCREETLY, as it would appear that, already, something is [nervous laugh] attempting ingress. I only calibrated for egress. Why did I only calibrate for egress? To the labs. To Effervo! Like, now! Quickly, to Effervo! Calm heads, everyone! Calm heads!"

[fast dew]

You too can be the seraphim! Just kidnap a person and steal their skin!

[restive river]

Why ):

[crystal vigil]

i died 3 times in a none steel path mission and now ill blame it all on her

[fast dew]

-# doom lore is funny

[pale cedar]

What is it with nerds in Warframe miscalculating

[restive river]

Ah
Your hate is similar to mine for the Triad’s in some regards

[restive river]

Math is hard ):

[crystal vigil]

😭

[restive river]

It would be really funny if sentients aren’t good at math either

[crystal vigil]

Calc

[restive river]

To be clear i do just hate them
Well
Roathe
And I’m disappointed in marie

[pale cedar]

Sentients should just build a calculator

[twin wigeon]

Marie is trying okay

[restive river]

Calc is short for calculator

[crystal vigil]

for those who js joined the stream

[pallid spoke]

[Insert the image of Limbo saying "The risk I took was calculated. But man, I am bad at math" here]

[crystal vigil]

i dont rly hate roathe but his personality sucks a little

[fast dew]

I do

[twin wigeon]

Roach

[fast dew]

I hate him. I do not like that man

[crystal vigil]

i nearly have my limbo prime 😝

[restive river]

He is insufferable
Also he
Is an orokin lol

[fast dew]

He is a creepy racist asshole

[twin wigeon]

I like his fashion, I don’t like him

[fast dew]

I want to beat him to death

[crystal vigil]

the daughter from deimos isint that bad of an orokin

[fast dew]

She was also racist but changed

[twin wigeon]

Floor 21 must be therapy then

[restive river]

Eh
She was literally racist but she did change

[fast dew]

But she's also just as bad in other ways

[crystal vigil]

well to be fair, everyone is racist to orokins aswell 😭

[fast dew]

Best orokin we got is like.

Son

[restive river]

Even the good Orokin suck

[restive river]

They aren’t a race dude

[fast dew]

Son and Father are pretty decent overall 😭

[crystal vigil]

they arent?

[restive river]

Nope

[twin wigeon]

Thomas gonna pummel Roach to death when obex incarnon comes out

[pale cedar]

They’re humans

[fast dew]

I'll do it with my bare hands

[crystal vigil]

i dont fw son, he whines to much when i kill a few dogs, father is cool tho

[fast dew]

Screw my fibro I'll just kick his teeth in

[restive river]

The Orokin are a class or caste
They are the Orokin equivalent of the tyrant egotistical 1% of the 1%, they oppress and control

[fast dew]

Stomp and crush his ribs

[twin wigeon]

Impossible. You’ll hurt your hands, I am handing you vengeance

[crystal vigil]

so, how exactly did they turn blue

[fast dew]

Not a big fan of roathe

[crystal vigil]

i fear im missing something

[twin wigeon]

Gene mods

[restive river]

Fashion

[fast dew]

Probably a similar process to a tattoo

[twin wigeon]

Refacia kits

[crystal vigil]

😭 what a unique style indeed

[restive river]

Refacia kit
It’s
Literally fashion

[twin wigeon]

We can turn blue

I’m blue bc it makes my drifter look cool and mystical

[fast dew]

We can also be purple and green

[pure cedar]

Blue for an amazing reason

[restive river]

The whole long arm thing?
Yeah that’s to feint generosity, that they have this outstretched hand to the rest of humanity
When ofc in reality it being so long means they’re as far as possible when they give “support”

[pale cedar]

I’m blue just to mock the Orokin

[crystal vigil]

[pale cedar]

I love making Orokin feel a little less special

[restive river]

:]

We should give refacias to everyone

[crystal vigil]

speaking of arm, how on earth did the drifter get his void arm that looks like he just mutilated a revenant

i know it fell from the sky but, how???

[restive river]

That’s Lotus’ arm
The only piece of her that survived in the new war

[fast dew]

I wonder if Albrecht was proud of Euleria for having a long arm.. Wonder if he is proud of her now..

[pallid spoke]

The same way Teshin did.

Literally the exact same way.

Lotus fell in first.

[restive river]

When something is thrown into the void it can fall into Duviri sometimes

[crystal vigil]

Gross, i do not like the idea of carrying lotus's arm around

[restive river]

Teshin feel in first

[restive river]

If it helps, she’s not human

[pallid spoke]

Where is this said?

[fast dew]

He uh

[crystal vigil]

the new war quest

[fast dew]

Was old in duviri when the hand fell in

Meaning he was in there first

[pale cedar]

Teshin was both there and not there before the hand fell in

[restive river]

He does say he’s been waiting or something
He was there long enough that hermit’s landing exists

[pallid spoke]

I know that, I'm saying that the cutscene makes it look like Lotus fell in first, Teshin's body is shown still sitting there after Lotus was already gone.

[pale cedar]

Good old Duviri time be weird

[restive river]

Does it :o

[restive river]

That’s the void

It doesn’t really matter who fell in first tbh

[pallid spoke]

Yeah, Teshin doesn't fall in on-screen, it happens off-screen.

[restive river]

Untime and all that

[crystal vigil]

durviri is in the void tho, and it messed up the time for the drifter

[restive river]

Kullervo got thrown into the void during the Old War

[restive river]

Yes it is!
But the whole day looping thing was Thrax

The void is weird as it lacks time and space
But Duviri has those so
That’s why Wally no like

[pallid spoke]

So, just Void time shenanigans I guess. Or some things floated around in the Void for longer than others before they eventually hit Duviri.

[crystal vigil]

still not entirely sure on durviri powers, because both thrax and the drifter had that little looping power

the drifter still has it, i realised after i played the hex quest again

[restive river]

Drifter didn’t have powers

[crystal vigil]

he can still rewind time

[restive river]

They only got powers when they saved operator during the new war

[restive river]

Yes
Later

In Duviri anyone who sits on the throne controls Duviri

[crystal vigil]

? he's been able to since durviri and he never lost that ability

[restive river]

Where was that power during the New War then?

[pale cedar]

They lost it when they gave up the throne

[crystal vigil]

did he ever need it there? he uses it during the hex quest

[restive river]

They didn’t have it yet
The whole time loop control is something they learned from their time in Duviri

[crystal vigil]

nope he's got it in 1999

[pale cedar]

Albrecht extended the loop

[restive river]

All they did in the hex quest was take the loop back from Wally and now has control over it to some extent
But they didn’t have this ability until after the new war

[crystal vigil]

if we lost the power from giving up the throne, wouldent the same be said for albrecht?

[restive river]

No, he didn’t have the throne

[strange turtle]

We only lost the power from giving up the throne because of the specific circumstances of Duviri and the throne

1999 doesn’t have those circumstances, Albrecht presumably just used some tech for it

[ocean geyser]

Albrecht created 1999’s loop, extended it, then gave it to Drifter

[restive river]

Drifter didn’t have powers
In Duviri when on the throne they learned how to control a loop
When they left Duviri they still had no powers but did have that knowledge
Later when they save Operator the Drifter gets their piece of Wally and now has void powers
In 1999 all they do is take control of the loop from Wally

[restive river]

Almost
Albrecht can’t do anything with the loop until Drifter takes control away from Wally

[ocean geyser]

Ah

Ngl i didn’t even know Wally had control of it

[crystal vigil]

what do you mean by "gets their piece of wally" is it because drifter was close to wally or did they actually like gain some of wallys powers?

[restive river]

Yeah that was the big problem lol

[pale cedar]

You made a deal

[restive river]

That’s how all tenno have void powers

[crystal vigil]

the drifter said no tho

[ocean geyser]

No?

[pale cedar]

Drifter actually said yes

[strange plinth]

"I can save them, all of them"
"all of [the children]" was operator's deal, "all of [the other children]" was drifter's
zariman tablet in duviri:

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
    A. *CORRUPT FILE DETECTED*
    B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[restive river]

Drifter said yes
Wally jipped them

[crystal vigil]

ohhh, i was under the impression the drifter said no and the operator said yes

[ocean geyser]

Operator essentially shares their power with Drifter when they shook hands

[ocean geyser]

Curious as to what made you think so

[restive river]

When Wally makes a deal there always seems to be a byproduct
Operator’s deal cause Drifter
Baro’s deal caused Scaro

[pale cedar]

The split was what Wally did when both said yes

[restive river]

Actually
Sirius and Orion are possibly the first natural case of eternalism

[crystal vigil]

not sure, cant remember where such a thought started

[ocean geyser]

When the idea of Scaro being like the drifter was first brought up
Literally everyone in this channel went “no that can’t be it”

Why the change lmao

[restive river]

It IS that

You have no idea how excited I am that they’re finally using it for something big again lol

First was drifter
Then maybe rev prime
Then scaro
Now the twins

[pale cedar]

Is Sacro the 9-hour guy?

[ocean geyser]

Huh?

Scaro is the Halloween Baro

[pale cedar]

Oh

[ocean geyser]

Who tf the 9 hour guy

[pale cedar]

There's a loteruber with a very similar name who made a 9-hour filler vid of all the lore at that point

It had tons of inaccuracies

[ocean geyser]

Oh

[pale cedar]

Some of it was legit just gameplay

[restive river]

Socrates

[pale cedar]

The one thing I remember was them calling Lotus and Margulis the same person

[restive river]

Socrates or whatever his name is
He had a good analysis of Duviri that one time but dude just gets way too caught up in his head, especially those theories

Such a good analysis and
Boom
“Thrax is our brother”
Dude what?

[crystal vigil]

Farewell theorists i must sleep now

[pale cedar]

He loves adding theorycrafting

[fast dew]

As in

Literally speaking 😭

He is kinda a brother but far from literal

[restive river]

Sleep well new lore friend!

[crystal vigil]

Hes Blue.

[pale cedar]

Theorycrafting lore can either be really good or really bad

[crystal vigil]

no brother of mine will be blue.

[restive river]

He’s more like our dad, as much as I hate to say it lol

[crystal vigil]

thankyou

[pallid spoke]

I used to know someone who thought that Thrax was us, and that the Drifter was the Void-manifestation, not the other way around.

[pale cedar]

Thrax being us has some merit to it

Drifter has the whole
I
Am
Duviri moment

[restive river]

Bro
What

[pallid spoke]

I know right?

[fast dew]

Idk hes always felt like a little brother to me 😭

[restive river]

Well that’s cause of his personality and inability to grow mentally, emotionally and physically
But in a way he did raise the Drifter

Ofc he’s not like
Actually a dad to them but in a way he did raise them

[fast dew]

So did Albrecht kinda

Dad Albrecht once again/j

[restive river]

Though ofc Drifter is also older lol

[pallid spoke]

I mean, I can kinda see where that came from, probably took the "unreliable narrator" line of "I made you!" too seriously.

[restive river]

Doesn’t help that Teshin brought in his theories on Thrax too

“He must be a tenno”
I see the thought process uncle teshi but
Nah

[fast dew]

Teshi

[restive river]

That was on purpose

[celest needle]

How do people exist around Qorvex?

[restive river]

He’s made of concrete

Tbh he should be made of lead instead but he’s also poking at the murmur ig

[celest needle]

Okay but he just decides to do this randomly

[restive river]

Uuuuuuuuuh
Dw about it you’ll just feel a little
Tickle :)

Walking demon core lol

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/uranium-fever-uranium-fever-chorus-uranium-fever-has-done-and-got-me-down-vaporized-cop-gif-11679078051938257082

[celest needle]

Everyone in that room is getting cancer 😭

[dire mountain]

I mean

Probably better than what happened to the cavia before they got alchemized

[fast dew]

Mm, depends on what type of radiation tbh

[unborn ore]

Soo Devil's Triad came from before 1999 right?

[fast dew]

Depends on what you mean

[eager briar]

Do yall think Wally has an actual goal or is just evil because albrecht thought “there must be some grand being with an ulterior motive” so the void made it

[fast dew]

Thats. Not what Albrecht thought, and no, even if that was the case, beings made from conceptual embodiment still have free will

Wally's actions are entirely his own.

[unborn ore]

Ok so one of the messages with Marie it says that she is from a time lacking electricity and being far more primitive, so I just wondered if we know what the XX99 year actually is

[eager briar]

Probably some time during the renaissance

[fast dew]

Oh

We think its 1899

[eager briar]

Or that

[unborn ore]

Yeah I was thinking 1799 or 1899

[fast dew]

1799 has the revolution, which Lyon's grandparents were in/around

Chances are the Cathedral just doesn't have electricity

Something something heritage sites

[unborn ore]

Oo ok thx

[eager briar]

So how does time travel via infestation work? Does it eat you and make a being with the same conscious in the future?

[strange turtle]

With 1999 it created a warframe we could transfer into and spat it out

With the Triad we don’t know the specifics beyond that the Triad used it before the portal thing was set up, but presumably something similar, with the Protos somehow having their consciousness ig, “coast along” the connection the Infestation maintains across time to the new bodies?

[restive river]

Albrecht made the Hex before the Triad
But it sounds like he went to many 99s before 1999, 1899 was where he took a reprieve

[restive river]

It kinda can’t be any other year lol

It’s a 99
It’s not 1799 or before
It’s not 1999 or after
So 1899

[devout fractal]

Wait so in New War, when the Drifter was like “you know who can help.” To Ordis when they needed help from Hunhow… how did they know Hunhow is who they need

HOW DID THEY KNOW WHO HUNHOW WAS???? I thought they just took the Operators place , and didn’t know much of their past cause like- they were technically a different person

[twin wigeon]

Well Drifters been around in Operators timeline for some time, I’d presume because Ballas could not have conquered the whole solar system in a day

So they could’ve learned a lot during the time

[vestal vine]

I have a question

If the new war shows there's Warframes gate-keeping Cetus, why we never see them wandering around?

And most important, why they died when the invasion began, specially that Rhino with a Prime weapon

[celest needle]

thats us

literally
we're the guys keeping guard of Cetus
the players you see

[vestal vine]

Then the guy just died in the cutscene was a baby tenno or something

How do you lose with one of the most versatile frames and a Prime weapon 😭

[celest needle]

an armada of sentients

[vestal vine]

If those frames were real people, tecnically we can against more

Much more

But the story has to continue so...

[twin wigeon]

Corinth do have a terrible alt fire and a pretty long reload time

Not to mention these guys adapt so yeh

[vestal vine]

The Grineer 145 doesn't say the same 🥶

[celest needle]

lore sentients are crazy busted

[twin wigeon]

Kahl

Kahl-145

[vestal vine]

Let me solo them

[twin wigeon]

I think Bud didn’t have his iron skin on, smh. Skill issue fr

[vestal vine]

I mean, Kahl being a single Grieneer defeated a lot of them alone without Corinth Prime

After getting it he surely could've been defeated a lot more

Or he was just too op to be a Greneer

[amber onyx]

my theory brain is spinning whilst playing through the Duviri Paradox mission

[restive river]

[amber onyx]

I usually never do this while playing a game, but this one… the story is keeping me hooked to it

[rigid compass]

Condrix / orphix wouldve severed all connections to warframes im pretty sure

[pine thistle]

Is there like a lore reason as to why so few warframes have the ability to fly?

Idk I feel like it would be a more common ability

[tall echo]

reminder that the rhino didn't die, there was a no-transference field covering the entire plains

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-incredibles-when-everyones-super-gif-10466529

[vestal vine]

Wasn't canonically our tenno the only tenno with with that hability?

[tall echo]

no?

ability-wise the player isn't unique

[twin wigeon]

All Tenno are able to transference

[vestal vine]

The difference is our's the only capable of manipulating the void

Well, according that tecnically you're right

[tall echo]

no

[vestal vine]

Nvm

[tall echo]

are you

playing a different game

[twin wigeon]

Oi be polite scrap

:3

[tall echo]

I physically can't be

[vestal vine]

Our tenno is capable of manipulate the void because of the treat made in the zariman right

[tall echo]

deal, yes

[strange plinth]

the deal just gave them the void powers, same stuff the other tenno got

CE is just part of being in the void

[vestal vine]

The deal affected all tenno in the zariman?

I thought it was only for the operator

[tall echo]

[strange plinth]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
    A. *CORRUPT FILE DETECTED*
    B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)
    it affected all of them

[tall echo]

how in the

[ashen pulsar]

what do you think the tenno are 😭

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[vestal vine]

Is this a dialogue from a quest after the new war?

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-please-do-not-the-cat-gif-11013093716903899251

[ashen pulsar]

tablet in duviri

[strange plinth]

a zariman tablet somewhere in duviri

[late zinc]

i heard operator said we immune to infestation

[vestal vine]

How tf I was supposed to know that

[tall echo]

through a technicality yes

[ashen pulsar]

something like that, we have a lot of void in us

[strange plinth]

the infestation is afraid of the void
or at least of the man in the wall
so it probably doesn't want to touch the void child

[ashen pulsar]

infestation no likey

[tall echo]

"I can save them. all of them" is also said during tnw

idk why grey pasted the tablet instead of just the quote

[strange plinth]

had it on hand due to a conversation earlier, but yea, that would've been better

[vestal vine]

Yes, the operator saved them. But it not said that all of them got the power of the void until you realize was refering about the deal gave those powers to all tenno there.
Is ambigous

[tall echo]

giving the powers is how wally saved them

that quote is from wally, not operator

[late zinc]

i heard it too

"But you have to wanted" - the man in wall

[vestal vine]

Who is wally

[tall echo]

brother.

[ashen pulsar]

dude what do you think the tenno are

[tall echo]

really.

[strange plinth]

the man in the wall
nicknamed wally by the community for simplicity

[late zinc]

The man in wall nickname

[tall echo]

I'm gonna ignore that person before I get myself banned

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-albrecht-entrati-true-you-are-true-warframe-1999-gif-1092476567053353718

[vestal vine]

Are U aware that not every person that has ñlayed the game has finished the whole story right

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17498260713109834464

[late zinc]

nope i'm out - albercth

[strange plinth]

the man in the wall is introduced in chains of harrow
technically war within

[vestal vine]

The children is not called Rell?

[late zinc]

and you get the whole statues during end of tnw cutscene

[ashen pulsar]

the general expectation is that you've paid a surface-level amount of attention to what they shove in your face

[strange plinth]

the tenno kid that was holding him back was Rell, yeah
but the man in the wall is a separate entity

[late zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[vestal vine]

I assume it is explained later in story

[vestal vine]

Many details Im asking are not explained at the point where am I right now

[ashen pulsar]

they have been, actually

[celest needle]

Bro slid in to smile and leave

[vestal vine]

Ambigously, but yeah sure

Supported by superficial quotes

[ashen pulsar]

you've been told what the tenno were, the man in the wall has been mentioned multiple times, the deal was shown

[vestal vine]

Its easy to missunderstand many things

[vestal vine]

Yes, the only thing that wasn't explained at all how exactly the zariman was saved. Just happen

At least were I am

[late zinc]

the man in wall slids in smile
drifter shocks
man in wall talks and operator laughs
lotus dont give a word trys resist
man in wall leaves

[celest needle]

all for the master plan

[vestal vine]

I was expecting you all were more comprensive, but many of you are really hateful about it

[ashen pulsar]

wasn't that said already in the war within

[strange plinth]

alluded to at least, iirc

[ashen pulsar]

I mean, its stated that the orokin located the zariman and kept the tenno

[strange plinth]

yea, ember prime codex has some info there n its always available

[vestal vine]

It was, but not exactly if the Tenno got the same powers of the operator or just the operator saved them all with that power.
THAT was my question about, I supposed it was because of Tennos can do the transference

[strange plinth]

transference is part of the void powers from the deal
the somatics to allow the orokin to do the same were made after, i believe

[ashen pulsar]

I think that's alsso stated in the war within, where we learn about what the tenno were and the focus schools

[late zinc]

during the new war quest flashback we are in the schools before void incident,
Our jump schedule has changed again cephalon melica says

which there's delayed again and again because the problem of tau
during middle of test an p.a annoucement that they finally jump schedule is started but unfortunately it failed because missing of tau causing it chaos

the whole parents and adults went crazy and start to kill eachother

[vestal vine]

I didnt knew that last detail

But makes sense after doing the Angels of Zariman

[fast dew]

Mmhm, wally did it to them

[vestal vine]

Ok too much spoilers, ty for the info

[late zinc]

you welcome

[fast dew]

Thats. Not a spoiler i don't think? I think it was mentioned earlier...

[vestal vine]

If it was, it may scale and I wanna discover more myself

[late zinc]

you new warframe?

[vestal vine]

I am

[stiff fable]

so uhh just fyi if you didn't know that, then it means you've missed stuff. This is all from The Second Dream, War Within, and Chains of Harrow.

[vestal vine]

I didn't missed anything cus is clear when you look at the details one more time

Is there, but is not explicit. The kind of story telling wich connects itself once you get whats happening

[pine thistle]

Imagine

Roathe would look like he saw a ghost

[restive river]

Has anyone done that but for Ballas yet

[pine thistle]

No I don’t believe so

[ocean geyser]

LMAO

[pine thistle]

Truthfully I don’t know if whether Loid, if present, would be too paralysed by fear to react to Nitokh or just reach for the nearest weapon to attack her with

I am leaning towards the second

[fast dew]

She'd have a lot worse than loid

Her first obstacle would be the. Possibly thousands of different necramechs

Mm, no. It would be even landing on Deimos

Vome and Fass are particularly territorial

I can only reason that they don't attack us due to the infestation present on the ship

Then the Necramechs, then the family, then Loid and the other necramechs, the Tenno too

[pine thistle]

This one could possibly be nullified if she has Garuda Prime with her/is proto-framed. The rest… not so much.

And I don’t think especially the Family/Loid/Tenno/Triad would be too keen on negotiating with another living Executor, and from what Roathe says she herself is the kill first ask questions never type.

My concern for her reappearance would be Roathe. He might try to seek her out

[unkempt talon]

I like the idea of us just getting a voice message from Roathe where its just him screaming that Nitokh is back and is him being dragged away by her

[opaque zenith]

Sidenote that Loid fought the fragmented boss with a fancy glock. Definitely the second

[fast dew]

Idk if you're late to this but

We already have a garuda proto

Why would it be a prime, even if that was the case? Would it be a prime only skin?

And. Story wise it makes literally no sense for Albrecht to proto Nitokh

They were already pushing it with Roathe

Not gonna say she won't be important later on but I don't think it'll be in this saga

Possibly in the Tau arc but I don't think she'd be there

[celest needle]

quite strange how gameplay and animated Vena differ

why she got black sclera

[fast dew]

Lighting i suppose. Why she looks blue is a whole other issue 😭

✨Artistic license✨

[celest needle]

I guess dark skin against this kind of background would've been to hard ?

[fast dew]

Possibly? The heart attack it gave me when I saw her though 😭

Making her blue was a CHOICE

[fast dew]

I have a feeling Vena doesn't get all too cold..

Something something blood

[pine thistle]

The fact that they deliberately left her fate ambiguous is leading me to believe she’s going to appear somehow