lore-discussion

[restive river]

I think Rell saw it more literally lol

[fast dew]

NO I KNOW THAT

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[restive river]

He wasn’t a Tenno

[fast dew]

But like. i can see it

[quiet falcon]

Ah, just a feral gen 1?

[ocean geyser]

That Chroma was either getting puppeteered by the infestation or was a frame that went rogue

[restive river]

There is no exact reason as to why we don’t see other tenno btw
It’s just how the story is structured lol

[restive river]

Or the sentient pelt iirc

[restive river]

Idr exactly
But iirc it was explicitly it wasn’t a tenno

[ocean geyser]

There was also the Rhino that got honk-shoo’ed by the Orphix at the start or New War

It’s still funny to me that bro missed out on the whole thing

[restive river]

Oh and the tenno that had frames killed by Stalker

[ocean geyser]

Ye

[restive river]

Thing is
The Tenno are space ninjas
Us not seeing each other a lot makes sense
And we see evidence of other tenno clearly existing

[ocean geyser]

If anything we don’t see tenno during story stuff because everyone’s off doing their own shit

[restive river]

I can tell you right now that the loki at the start of the second dream was not me lol

[fast dew]

We are far and few in-between

[ocean geyser]

Although it would be nice to see our classmates again at least

Fun fact: Rell was one of our classmates!!!!

[fast dew]

He was! Im not sure if you can see him but it would be so cool...

[ocean geyser]

It would be so awesome….

[ocean geyser]

Tbf a lot of them had similar haircuts to him in (from what i remember)
So
Maybe

[fast dew]

Rell's bald ass 😭

[strong viper]

How is it that Grandmother is able to remember her previous name that was lost before becoming infested, but the rest of the family have forgotten their own names?

[fast dew]

-# no but me too rell

[fast dew]

She gave it up willingly

[strong viper]

But she's still able to remember a name that isn't hers.

[fast dew]

The others actually forgot theirs, she just gave hers up

I mean. So can the family

[restive river]

Wait where was this stated again :?

Cause he wasn’t in the room when the incident happened

[pale cedar]

Melica

[ocean geyser]

Melica mentions him yeah

When you pass by one of her kiosks

[cunning ore]

And in the comic, he got kicked out of the classroom?

[restive river]

Ah ty

[restive river]

Comic doesn’t tell us anything

In regards to him being in our class i mean

[cunning ore]

No, i just worried if it was our classroom in the comic

At least not, for a moment, i though Operator might be one of those who kick him out for class's safety

[strong viper]

Always thought that the one kid we spoke to in the New War was Rell because he insisted his mother was coming, and Rell was also clinging to his mother. But they have totally different voices, so it's probably a coincidence.

[pale cedar]

Quote btw
"Where are all your classmates? You know... Terolee and Nimian and Rell and the one with the, um, "unusually vibrant" hair?"

[fast dew]

Me im the one with the unusually vibrant hair

Its blue now

[strong viper]

Jokes on you, they probably got Wallivur William'd first

[restive river]

Coincidence for sure
Also Rell seemed to be with his mom at the time of the incident

[strong viper]

In that case, I'm not sure what's worse. Seeing his mom die protecting him, or having to kill his void maddened mother himself.

[restive river]

From what I recall from the comic Rell just
Got to work

[fast dew]

Had to cut my face off but

Blue :D

[restive river]

His mother was gone, what he killed wasn’t her anymore

[restive river]

Why it that blue that a buncha websites used

[fast dew]

LIKE FACEBOOK

[restive river]

Tumblr
Facebook
Twitter

[fast dew]

Its a lot lighter now, thats while it was drying after I washed the dye out

[strong viper]

yOu MeAn "X", RiGhT??

[restive river]

No
Never

Can’t believe nef anyo is in real life

[cunning ore]

Thomas proved that he was on the Zariman in that day

[fast dew]

Ngl with the shit ive seen its probably not that bad 😭

[cunning ore]

Wait, even Nef Anyo out of screen?

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-blueman-why-are-you-blue-radioactive-glowing-blue-gif-7961548304504204931

[restive river]

Idk it was p bad

[cunning ore]

My eyes

[restive river]

Turn your bloom down wth

[cunning ore]

Why??? My eyes not good

I turn brightness to 0

And it still glowing

[fast dew]

I have mine at 0 most days anyways

[restive river]

Woe
The missed opportunity of Wisp lore be upon thee

[fast dew]

Shes. On a chariot

[restive river]

Duviri chariot!

[fast dew]

If it moved, would she need to be moving

Or will she fall off

[restive river]

I love the differences in her design here
The scarf is different for one
But the fact she has a long Orokin-like arm is wild

[restive river]

I think thats a statue
So

[fast dew]

In a theoretical

[twin wigeon]

uh

[restive river]

I don’t think this concept art is really indicative of what her build could have been

[twin wigeon]

hmmmmmm

wait thats a good question

[restive river]

Theoretically if she was actually in the chariot and it moved from that spot they’d all fall down lol

Unless ofc if the Kaithes sprouted their wings

[fast dew]

Like if Wisp was on a train, if she wasn't holding onto anything, would she like

Stay in the same spot

[restive river]

Oh cause she floats?

[fast dew]

While the train moved

[restive river]

Well you can be on stuff that moves as her and move with it so

[fast dew]

While standing? Probably a kdrive but I can't remember one that she doesn't have contact with

[restive river]

Her method of levitation isn’t really known
She just
Do it

[restive river]

Yes

I don’t mean k-drive but like actual objects in the world lol

[fast dew]

And would the same thing happen with karrish

[restive river]

It’s def a gameplay thing ofc but like
Yeah :p

[fast dew]

See its funny

[restive river]

Iirc he’s basically using an archwing
So no
But again we don’t know how Wisp levitates

[fast dew]

IMAGINE ROATHE GETTING HIT BY THE TRAIN IN THE LABS

[restive river]

I doubt they’d do it now but I’d love if they really talked about and showcased their plans for Duviri
Like
Not just concept art
Take me back to when it was on Jupiter, tell me how Wisp would have been involved, why cut the mention of greek gods, what was up with the 2019 teaser, etc etc

[quiet falcon]

Did we release Wally when we killed Harrow, or wait, what did we do with Harrow? It's been about 7 or so years since I played that mission

[restive river]

Yeah p much
He wasn’t like released onto the world but he wasn’t being held back

[fast dew]

-# the thought process was Karrish in a train, roathe [another orokin] in a train, roathe getting hit by a train, roathe getting hit by the train in the labs

[restive river]

He was always a voice in our head as we see in the Old Peace, but he manifested himself visually to us after Rell passed
We essentially took up his role but have been doing a terrible job cause things have escalated a lot

[twin wigeon]

Rell truly was the strongest of us Tenno

[restive river]

Ballas opening up that void portal gave Wally more influence, his murmur can get in more, they can clump and form fragmented, tether strands and allow him entry

[restive river]

Not in like
Raw strength but yeah

[dire mountain]

Id rather not be fighting for a fascist regime, personally

[restive river]

He saw Wally for what he was and promptly took measures to deal with him

[celest needle]

Understandable but I'm saying being one of the enemy factions, not like any of them are any good

[restive river]

I think I’d rather be infested

[twin wigeon]

obviously, he hardly had a body since he forsake it in order to stay in his warframe forever iirc

[restive river]

I don’t mean physical strength lol

[twin wigeon]

oh

i was talking more like mental or spiritual strength when i meant he was the strongest of us

[dire mountain]

If you had to choose an enemy faction to be some random in corpus is probably the best bet? There's a decent chance you don't even have a combat role afaik

It would still suck but like

It's not scaldra

[woven coyote]

Scaldra would be for sure bad long term, effervon is definetely not healthy

[restive river]

I mean maybe mentally
His thing is he experienced emotions differently which likely lead to him being able to see Wally for what he was

[restive river]

You could be one of those guys on the computers that we can’t kill

[pale cedar]

I'd just be one of the relay people because I'll never truly be gone

[restive river]

Unless if you were on Vesper

[dire mountain]

Like, grineer is a militaristic empire you'd only not be a combat role if you were like, horribly miscloned and even then there's a chance

Infested, Narmer, Corrupted, Techrot. I don't think I have to explain

Sentient idk how it would work unless you're just like, chilling with hunhow 😭

Murmur ????

[restive river]

Do you think Vena and Ryoku have already been born?
I know that very much so depends on how far in the future things are and how old the kid(s) is now

[pale cedar]

I'd be back on the others anyway

[restive river]

Murmur would be you’re one of the dealbreakers and Wally mucked with your body hard

[twin wigeon]

Reincarnated as a Vomvolyst

[restive river]

New warframe anime just dropped

That time I fell into a void portal and was reincarnated into a vomvolyst

[pale cedar]

That time I fell into a Void portal and found Ballas that wasn't Ballas

[mint delta]

Can't wait for a truly lore accurate anime for Warframe

[ocean geyser]

The Sentients wouldn’t be terrible
Although we don’t know what condition Tau is in so you’d either be a hunhow fragment or with Narmer 💀

If hunhow had Xenoflora it’d be peak

[restive river]

I got war flashbacks when you said that
The powerscaler videos 😭

[mint delta]

TBF Warframe easily scales wayyyy higher than most people understand

[ashen pulsar]

we aren’t doing this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1285244470971076760/1285248760187846696/caption-4.gif

[mint delta]

Yea it's too late

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smash-punch-fast-fight-gif-15236044976681595844

[mint delta]

Imma go eep

[mint delta]

Hi tom

[fast dew]

Wuh

[mint delta]

Chicken buh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814962822286802955/1418267393473384599/ezgif-33d2c750ec22dd.gif

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1496932954759499846/image0.gif

[restive river]

Eh, I see many people inflate how high it scales

[restive river]

“Kullervo is multiversal”

[mint delta]

No lul

[twin wigeon]

Kullervo is NOT multiveraal

[mint delta]

Actually idk

[restive river]

Or the whole Atlas can break a planet or whatever LOL

[twin wigeon]

HE cannot

[mint delta]

He's only claimed to destroy an asteroid but we don't know how big that thing was

[twin wigeon]

hes broken an asteroid

[restive river]

He broke one asteroid via a precise hit
Iirc it wasn’t even all him

[restive river]

Well he didn’t
Claim that
It’s a literal like. Story with actual records
It happened

[mint delta]

Atlas destroying an asteroid is the most boring feat in Warfram tbf

[restive river]

My point is while yes the frames are powerful people tend to over inflate how powerful they are

[mint delta]

Ye

[restive river]

For instance
While yes the tenno are powerful, they aren’t multiversal beings or anything like that

While yes Drifter can control time loops they cannot make them nor control time itself

[twin wigeon]

literally, destroy the deimos heart and were toast

[mint delta]

There are way more impressive feats like rhino cracking space time or something like that by just stomping the ground or limbo

[strange plinth]

limbo mathed too hard and exploded idk what's impressive about that /s

[restive river]

I don’t think rhino doing that is like
Literal
I may be wrong cause it’s been a bit but that more so originates from someone doing the math

[twin wigeon]

or hell blowing up the zariman would lead to potentially universe ending catastrophe

[restive river]

Gameplay > lore

[restive river]

Unplug the Zariman and we got void storms going out to mercury at the minimum

[twin wigeon]

its not about just the amount of storms its about whay may come tthru

[mint delta]

Protea can rewind time i suppose

[restive river]

Wally can’t come through without his finger back or without a strand of time

[restive river]

Yes Protea does have literal time manipulation canonically

[fast dew]

The damage the duviri trailer did when it comes to Mesa

[restive river]

Me when a precision shot is precise and people think my guns actually blow things up

[fast dew]

The thing is, not for you ducky, its not a particularly.

Impressive thing considering Albrecht has proper time travel

[mint delta]

Limbo can manipulate space time with rift or whatever whatever do there's that too. And drifter rewinding time or was he creating an alternate timeline

I'm too eepy to even argue

[restive river]

It is impressive to a degree since she uses it on the fly and in combat

[strange plinth]

huh

[twin wigeon]

Qorvex is literally a nuclear reactor

[ocean geyser]

Is all ostron tech made with sentient bits? Im noticing that this looks sorta similar to certain amp parts

[restive river]

Limbo can control the rift not space and time
And Drifter has control of the 1999 loop, no alt timelines were made

[dark compass]

I like limbo's story. People talk about some deep science and symbolism and him being shit at math, when i think the intention was to present him as performing a really dangerous act of magic and failing. Houdini stuff or something like that

[dire mountain]

Drifter didnt even actively create either timeloop they just inadvertently gained control

[mint delta]

Nova can create wormholes , control anti matter bla bla bla

[fast dew]

Wisp can. Open a portal to the sun

[restive river]

Yes which is very powerful
People still over inflate them lol

[turbid kestrel]

And Eriel yeets demons

[strange plinth]

xata
i enjoy oversimplifying it to 'failed at math real bad' but the actual story there is cool

[mint delta]

Insanely high ap and dp

[dark compass]

It's a trope that got so old people don't even recognize it lol

[restive river]

Like the warframes are absolutely powerful, so are the tenno
People tend to put them a lot higher than they should be

Like
Frames can die
A bullet is a bullet lol

[dark compass]

Limbo wanted to pull a rabbit out of his hat, the rabbit pulled him back into the hat

[fast dew]

We aint saying they're weak

[mint delta]

But they can also be revived , repaired and upgraded :0

[fast dew]

Not. Exactly

[strange plinth]

yet a bullet remains a bullet

[mint delta]

Also kullervo mentioned earlier has some amount of CE no?

[fast dew]

Ibmean

[restive river]

CE isn’t an ability lol

[fast dew]

Yeah but thats cuz he has a brain lol

[strange plinth]

kullervo uses CE because he's conscious and in the void

[dark compass]

It's a void byproduct

[mint delta]

But how many bullets would it need take one down.

[mint delta]

So does every frame.

[restive river]

You cannot control CE

[dark compass]

Imagine guilt tripping yourself over murdering an orokin so much you cause CE to reform some of the duviri

Goddamn it Kullervo

[stiff fable]

I mean, a single rocket blows up a Nova so bad that her operator falls out of it in the New War cinematic trailer

[restive river]

The replicas and gen 2s were functionally lobotomized and thus do not interact with the void like that lol

[mint delta]

Also can someone explain to me how tf did Lavos transmutate himself to a prime , like where can I read it

[dark compass]

It just happens

[strange plinth]

Salem: I SEE. So if you looked into the Void with… hmm, let's say ‘hunger'… you might create a prowling half-starved wolf. Or a royal banquet, maybe. Or a loaf of bread with wolf's teeth gnashing in it.
mhm
r4c5

[dark compass]

Alchemy is manipulating the laws of physics and does whatever the hell it wants

[mint delta]

Like was he like " wait I can just perfect myself"

[stiff fable]

I'm going to keep beating this drum, but for as cracked as Warframes are, the stuff we're fighting is in the same wheelhouse

[dark compass]

But in a sciency way

[mint delta]

And moved like mahito

[restive river]

Lavos has the power of transmutation as gifted to him by the Orokin
After he did what he did he wanted to look cool
The end

[mint delta]

https://tenor.com/view/mahito-transform-jujutsu-kaisen-transformation-idle-transfiguration-instant-spirit-body-gif-490995049615685361

[dark compass]

Yep, his deluxe is supposedly his perfect form after long time of isolation and experiments

[stiff fable]

Small correction, he LEARNED alchemy from an imprisoned archimedean

[restive river]

Oh fr?
That’s dope

[mint delta]

Ye and didn't the alchemist turn into one of the snakes on his arm

[restive river]

He learned a lot from Javi
But did they not specifically gift him the ability for the execution??

[stiff fable]

Lavos transmuted Javi into a snake

[restive river]

That was the whole like
Point of that

[dark compass]

They gave it to him as a tool of quick execution

[strange plinth]

they did give him that helmet, yea
i'd have to read it again to be sure of the intent

[stiff fable]

they gave him "organic reconfiguration"

Not alchemy

[restive river]

Ah that’s where I got caught

[stiff fable]

But the executioner? No jailer wanted to be the Pobber to bell that Kavat. So Lavos received this ceremonial helm, along with the power to reconfigure organic matter. He could be their instrument. ```

[restive river]

He functionally does just
Have alchemy because of the Orokin though

[dark compass]

"The master of transmutation embraces the process that made him, imbued with the volatile quintessence of alchemy"

And syandana has the text about experiments

But I can't find the text from it

[ocean geyser]

It most definitely made alchemy easier though yeah

[restive river]

Wasn’t the whole thing with Javi though that his scrawlings and knowledge weren’t like
Alchemy and magic but just actual real science lol

[dark compass]

It's supposed to be an injector for changing things

[restive river]

That’s whu he got in trouble, he was just trying to teach people

[ocean geyser]

Alchemy might as well be a science though

[restive river]

Oh for sure

[ocean geyser]

Didn’t Albrect do some of that even

[restive river]

And it is in Warframe as we see with Albrecht

[dark compass]

It's a science that operates on a philosophical definition of elements. So basically... It's alchemy

[restive river]

But with Javi it seemed to be more so about him just
Teaching the literal basics

[dark compass]

Well basic things tend to have fundamental meanings

And it's important in alchemy

[ocean geyser]

Yea
The Orokin just called him this magic demon guy because the idea of people being able to raise their status had them tweaking

[dark compass]

I'm an Elden Ring lore expert I eat alchemy for breakfast

(I have severe indigestion)

[restive river]

I have seen a preserved image of Javi's cell. His scrawlings were not demonic sigils and barbarous texts, but star charts. Evolutionary trees. Genome structures.

"Javi was not defying Lavos with these cryptic daubings in his own blood. He was enlightening him. Not dark sorcery at all, but radiant science. And the snake? A symbol not of corruption but of healing.

"Javi was a teacher. He might have taught millions. Now he had only one student.

[stiff fable]

The entire Lavos story is really about controlling information

[restive river]

It is

Which is why I love it

[ocean geyser]

He was basically just a science teacher and the Orokin didn’t like him 😭

[restive river]

Knowledge is power
As seen with Lavos

[dark compass]

I don't think alchemy is supposed to be the "science proper" in warframe, but like, fundamentals preserved through meanings

Still science fiction

[ocean geyser]

“The Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell!”

“KILL HIM”

[restive river]

Now I’m no expert but idk where evolutionary trees or genome structures fit into alchemy lol
Star charts, maybe

[dark compass]

"hot and cold make things explode"

[stiff fable]

To quote SMAC: "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

[ocean geyser]

I mean understanding how life works is probably helpful

Especially if you want to mess with living material

[mint delta]

Cold and poison makes viruses , intriguing

[fast dew]

No that one makes sense

[restive river]

Probably, but the vibe I was getting is that Javi was just enlightening Lavos
Not literally just teaching him magic lol

[dark compass]

See that's why I think it's more about the philosophy of it.

[strange plinth]

why does the lavos leverian have a better redemption arc than roathe /s

Much like the snake, Lavos is easy to misjudge. The serpents that poison can also cure. He may have been a monster in his previous life, but he was able to achieve something that eluded the most powerful of the Orokin. He changed.

Moreover, he changed himself. Javi may have helped and instructed, but the will to change must have begun with Lavos.

[restive river]

But that’s
Not what Javi was teaching

[dark compass]

Well alchemy is a mix of both

[restive river]

I understand that

[ocean geyser]

Could be that Alchemy was just one of the various things he taught Lavos

[restive river]

But it makes a point to say
Hey
This isn’t magic
Javi was teaching him literally just basic info

[dark compass]

Yeah fair enough

[restive river]

Could be, but it doesn’t seem like it was like
An actual big science that was used lol

We have literally one other dude who used it

[dark compass]

Won't it be 3

[ocean geyser]

This fr is the Orokin equivalent to burning a woman at the stake because she knows how to do math

[dark compass]

Albrecht, Javi, Lavos

[ocean geyser]

I feel like Javi might not have put anything into practice

[stiff fable]

Teshin

In Warframe, Alchemy is half science, half philosophy

[dark compass]

Oh yeah Teshin knows how to flow between elements I guess

[ocean geyser]

At least not much before the Orokin imprisoned him

[dark compass]

Uhh, isn't that what alchemy is baseline

[stiff fable]

nah, Alchemy is half chemistry and half getting high

[woven coyote]

Granted it would be wally's words, but wally calls albrechts alchemy unnatural

[dark compass]

Getting high = philosophy

[restive river]

I’m looking and please correct me if I miss something but all I’m finding so far is that Javi and Lavos were called transmuters

"No transmuter was more dreaded than Javi. The Crawling Serpent. The Abhorred. The Filth-Speaker.”

But we don’t know. What a transmuter is afaik
Likely they had access to alchemy, but again we don’t know how widespread it was
Transmuter could just be the same as chemist

[restive river]

I forgor Lavo ):

[dark compass]

Well the idea of alchemy is being able to turn things from one material to another

[stiff fable]

It's probably not, the most common association with "transmutation" is turning lead into gold

[dark compass]

Transmuters might have figured it out

[woven coyote]

I'd argue based on mission dialogue that warframe alchemy isnt equivalent to any irl science

[restive river]

Javi was also an Archimedean btw

[ocean geyser]

Guy in wall gets mad when magic orphans in robot space ninjas mix elemental goop

[stiff fable]

The Orokin hated Javi because he could take anyone and make them as worthy as an Orokin

[dark compass]

It's an equivalent to real life alchemy I think, here it just actually yields results lol

[stiff fable]

Not through magic, but basic education

[restive river]

Here it’s closer to an actual science

[ocean geyser]

Javi pointing at a random bystander and making him blue:

[stiff fable]

It's the whole "Tenno secret power is empathy" thing but using a different lens

[ocean geyser]

In a less funny sense he’d just teach them how to use Refacia

[dark compass]

He would tell you how to make gold

Everyone can have gold now, it's over for orokin

They lost their status symbol

Of course he's the scariest and most horrible

[turbid kestrel]

My headcanon is my tennos secret power is being ga-

[stiff fable]

yep

[turbid kestrel]

Nah I’m kidding

[mint delta]

Benevolence and understanding id say.

Love.

[restive river]

Basic human empathy

[stiff fable]

considering that all the Orokin we know were gender fluid, that's kinda conservative

[dark compass]

Tenno's secret power is being able to produce lasers made out of space hell with bare hands

And basic human empathy I guess too yeah

[woven coyote]

Deadly lightshows arent exactly secret

[dark compass]

[stiff fable]

It's the whole joke of "what Star Wars is really about: red lasers vs. green lasers"

[dark compass]

I thought it's red vs blue

As it has always been

Green is for those who think they are better than blue

[stiff fable]

that's lightsabers not lasers

[dark compass]

Lightsabers are just lasers

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-gif-13555747940236673731

Star wars is about teaching the importance of trade blockades and tariffs.

[stiff fable]

Alternatively it's the Kamen Rider meme: "I'm going to defeat evil with the power of friendship."
"The power of friendship has failed, it's time to defeat evil with the power of violence"

[dark compass]

Who's mocking prequels now huh

I hate jedi

Imagine being a bunch of "monks who maintain balance" and then you're a part of a military organization murdering people

[dark compass]

I stand by my statement

You cannot cut it out of context and expect me to change my mind

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that was just a funny thing to see

[turbid kestrel]

Nah, it’s being Bi

[dark compass]

These mfs probably thought the concept of gender itself was for serfs

[stiff fable]

in perfect fairness that was also the point of the prequel trilogy

[dark compass]

"imagine being confined to something"

[dark compass]

Yeah it was an extension of "who's mocking prequels now"

[stiff fable]

aight fair enough

[woven coyote]

Funniest thing is them being one of the extremist sides and talking about balance

[dark compass]

no you dont understand the balance is when good side win

bad side die

[stiff fable]

lol

[woven coyote]

"Good" lol

[dark compass]

bad side die and also eaten during celebration

to commemorate good side win

[celest needle]

Log off the account sidius 🥀

[stiff fable]

The biggest mistake was letting people say there was a "light side" instead of just the whole "good+bad" vs. "bad only"

[dark compass]

you do not argue with star wars lore

[woven coyote]

I mean there isnt really much lore after disney butchered everything afaik

[dark compass]

theyll retroactively add lore to an extra of some random movie shot in a cut that doesnt exist anymore, call them "Yorr Momm" and they are a prophet who killed your family in universe

[dark compass]

disney butchered as much as anyone did before them

people just hate on disney extra because of woke

(and because new movies were shit)

star wars was always DESIGNED to sell toys

they literally always had a problem with retroactive lore additions cannibalizing the entire series

turning every small random thing into something that was secretly super important because fans wont shut up about it

like how the garbage monster from the original trilogy was rewritten into some prophet who hid away seeing the future of what is about to happen

and how almost drowning luke was baptism for the things to come

i am not making this up

[stiff fable]

yup

[dark compass]

oh and it was force sensitive too

it all has to be "lore relevant"

people mock some random extra for looking silly and suddenly they get a book about how its an evil ass criminal who sells lobotomized people whos actually super important to everything that happened in all movies

offscreen ofc

[celest needle]

The EU was crazy

[dark compass]

thats

thats not eu.......

[celest needle]

GUH?

[dark compass]

yeah

this bit is not extended universe

[celest needle]

almost as weird as the casual Tokusatsu giant aliens on a planet

[dark compass]

holy shit is that stalker from the hit game warframe

[celest needle]

-# This is canon btw

-# like fully canon

[dark compass]

the speech bubble puts it quite well

[strange turtle]

DE just haven’t wanted to make and introduce any active Tenno characters because it’s a big deal

[swift sentinel]

My biggest wish for the game right now, on the story side, is for the Operator to get KIM, but with other Tenno.

[strange plinth]

-# nah "kids can't type" according to rebb

[dark compass]

simulated KIM chat with other players

[swift sentinel]

That's just Region Chat

[dark compass]

no i mean

it is just normal chat, but you can use it with kim interface

[celest needle]

voice controls

[dark compass]

kids cant talk

if they do they say nonsense

imagine your daily dialogue with OP

"My warframe is strong"

"corpus is a cult worshipping money"

[celest needle]

"STOP SENDING ME CODAS THIS BOSS FIGHT IS ASS"

[queen heath]

In the lore is each unique frame an individual? Like is there one person named Mag and that’s it (and we just hand wave away the fact that there’s actually thousands of them). Or is it like each frame is a “type” or a clone or something so multiple Mags is accounted for

[magic storm]

"Mag" sounds like a classification. "Has this general look, has this specific power set, so it's Mag"

[pallid spoke]

How far in the story are you?

[queen heath]

I started about a week ago; I generally have no idea what’s going on at any given time

[celest needle]

You'll get to it

[humble sierra]

All will be revealed

The story really kicks off once you get to Uranus and the 'Natah' quest

[queen heath]

Oh ok I’m still working on my Jupiter junction. Thanks!

[strange turtle]

Not spoiling the actual details but there are multiple, identical… how to put it in a not spoilery way? Instances? Examples? You get the idea, of all the Warframes, and the blueprints and crafting are canon and not just a gameplay conceit

[celest needle]

its better to just leave it in the dark for them

[quiet falcon]

Fair enough

[strange turtle]

Better to leave canon, that you’re already meant to know, in the dark?

It’s not like warframes story has ever actually avoided that part of the topic

Idk if it’s a unique tileset or just node names but there’s this

[strange plinth]

not sure if it was brought up but the ruins of that orokin prison could easily be a place to get lavos's pieces/bp instead of just purchasing them from Father
the only issue is that i think it was on venus
and that'd be yet another warframe on venus

[strange turtle]

…why is this what made me realise Vena’s name is a double pun

Vena because Vena as in vein.
Vena because Garuda and Venus

[proper barn]

You can be wrong.

Its okay.

[rigid compass]

shrimpion stop the albrecht glaze

[rigid compass]

"500 more romances" - rebb 🗣️ 🔥 😔 🥀

[celest needle]

play it with a shield based frame and its a livign hell

[rigid compass]

when u still playing warframe in 2080 and there's 6767 frames and they all got protos and players can date 1999 (hex reference) of them so u lowkey gotta hack the servers and put the game down cause the freak is too much

https://giphy.com/gifs/cinema-absolute-absolutecinema-9EvnXdZaUZbCqScn67

[turbid kestrel]

Tenno, calm yourself, your cortisol is through the roof

[heady quest]

This would be gas ngl!

[dire mountain]

Consider: it'd be really funny

Khora is also related to venus but she isnt acquired there too

[humble sierra]

I saw this shared in #warframe-general

https://x.com/KateRabiscos/status/2050480523483447504

Kate Rabiscos (@KateRabiscos)

#warframe #warframefanart #tennocreate #marie
Requested by @AsdByte

X · May 2, 2026, 7:40 AM

[rigid compass]

"wait they're all venus frames"
"always have been"

[rigid compass]

victorian child when they take 1 bite of a snickers bar and die from the sweetness

[dire mountain]

Why is the skeleton there

[heady quest]

Ngl gonna try and see anything else that could easily be turned into a mission…

[humble sierra]

Everything is improved by a skeleton

[loud oriole]

literally my friend said something very similar to the first part of this, though it was more of “why is venus getting another frame (or two)”

[woven coyote]

he wrote it of course

[rigid compass]

any frame that has literally any known lore or is sold from vendors. nova could be accquired through a mission on the ship in her leverian, gauss at altra, etc granted a lot of frames lore came out after they were in the game and DE didnt want to change the way they're accquired which isnt that good an arguement since they change plenty of other things that couldve stayed untouched

[dire mountain]

Skeletons are the secondary trademark of the entrati

After the obols ofc

[fast dew]

True..

[celest needle]

you can pet kalymo
10/10

[loud oriole]

11/10 best game ever

[daring tusk]

What in ea nasir is this

[unique talon]

So.. could anyone explain to me what Follie inflicts in the main lore?

[twin wigeon]

What

[unique talon]

And the whole shadowgrapher event

[twin wigeon]

What

She just be covering ppl in ink

[strange plinth]

Follie herself, not very much
the voice in the hunt and zorba, however, have a bit more
voice is an archimedean, giving therapy to the tenno after the zariman's return and (probably) before margulis took them in. though the therapy Isn't Great and is more like an interrogation regarding the events of the zariman incident
the archimedean would stabilize the subjects then send them away

zorba's lines tell us that the arbiters have been around since the orokin empire, and that the tenno have previously been allied with them

for the most part, the only thing we have on follie is that she was 'bent in service to cruel masters,' and her shadowgraph is the only thing that really survived the destruction of vesper

[twin wigeon]

Ink is very thick

[languid parcel]

she's a squid now, she's a kid now?

[twin wigeon]

lol

[cunning ore]

It like me looking in Ballas's mistake 🤣

I and Marie belike sisterhood of those who believed in blue berries

[celest needle]

its so funny seeing the new and old lines in survival missions

Lotus sounds flat as a robot then suddenly becomes alive

[humble sierra]

Something something foreshadowing

[restive river]

According to one of her paintings it seems Follie, or her Tenno, attacked someone
The one where she has the cloak and skana

[strange plinth]

i recognize the skana but the face looks less like Follie and more like an arbiter mask? particularly the side pieces
cloak seems similar-ish to drifter's

[restive river]

Do you have an image of it :?
i coulda sworn it was her

It def wouldn’t be Drifter but it could have been an Arbiter
Though it seems her ties to them weren’t until relatively recently

[strange plinth]

taken from the wiki

[restive river]

Is that not her?

Tbh it looks kinda like her helmet but without the ink

[strange plinth]

somewhat, though its missing the top piece

[restive river]

Aren’t all the painting associated with a story too?

[lean garden]

lmao what if thats zorba's master

[restive river]

Oh could be Kozai yeah

[lean garden]

the painting doesnt look thicc like follie from my memory

[restive river]

It depends on how old these paintings are which
Could vary since the shadowgraph is of the vesper relay which technically existed recently

The side that’s coming out of the cloak a bit kinda makes me think of Follie but it isn’t really clear on
What that even is lol

[strange plinth]

"In his compassion, worthy Malloc allowed his kubrows to devour him, knowing that his greatest gift was his own self."
"The Hawk and the Snake is one of our oldest tales. The mouse tricks them into arguing over which has the greater right to eat him."
not seeing a clear association for C

[humble sierra]

It looks like an Arbiter

[restive river]

Y’know
I think what happened is my brain connected the dot from that painting to the line about the tenno killing people
But that line is about the parents and thus Follie would not be there lol

[lean garden]

yea thats gonna be a hexis

[restive river]

Oh yeah no that’s Kozai then!

We get to see Koazi that’s actually so cool

[celest needle]

rabbit teeth

[restive river]

As we all know the Arbiters are rabbits

[stiff fable]

wait are you saying that Follie's helmet is based on an arbiter helmet

[lean garden]

nope

might want to scroll slightly up to see the context

[stiff fable]

No no, I saw the Kozai connection, but the medallion is quite suggestive

[rigid compass]

Sonions

I finally watched albrechts records

[lean garden]

oh then I was merely demonstrating how the fella in the painting was not follie but instead an arbitor

[celest needle]

The descendia experience

-# why is every enemy a bullet sponge please

[light wedge]

Same character btw lol

[dusty dragon]

I have something important to mention.

Have you all read the North world trilogy?

If you haven't, a futuristic humanity colonized a world very far away and when the ship got there it became lost, and the original inhabitants of the ship got magic space time powers and could manipulate the different layers of the world.

And later, more ships get sent and all get lost.

And then the protagonist shows up and finds out that a feudal society is using super advanced mech suits, and he's really good at using them.

[dire mountain]

Isnt this an arbiter helmet

[dusty dragon]

Warframe is kinda like that

[stiff beacon]

read a manga thats a bit similar involving the ussr

[stiff fable]

As mentioned, the person in the picture is Arbiter Kozai

[restive river]

Scroll down a bit from there

[stiff fable]

Turns out all of the paintings in the mission are Follie drawing stories Kozai told her

[restive river]

Which makes sense lol

[dire mountain]

Yeah I knew that

[stiff fable]

The best part?

[dire mountain]

Who was it in the archives that pointed it out

[stiff fable]

The executor in the Hexis story could have been Nitohk after all

[dire mountain]

I want to say aifrie maybe?

[restive river]

Actually
Since the Vesper relay was destroyed relatively recently was the Follie that met with Kozai tenno controlled?

[stiff fable]

Nitohk is in the shadowgraph graffiti and all

[restive river]

Yeah she is depicted lol

[stiff fable]

I'll accept this as temporary canon

[restive river]

Now that we have a Garuda proto I am less afraid of Nitokh being done poorly

[dire mountain]

Tbf so is karishh

[restive river]

Isnt that Grendel?

[stiff fable]

Anyway, as mentioned by Loid, the distinction between Tenno controlled and not is less important than it seems

Yeah it's Grendel and Gauss

[dire mountain]

Tbh I blocked out most of the vesper relay stuff

[stiff fable]

Because Dine n Dash came out in this update

[dire mountain]

Ironically

[stiff fable]

Pffft

[restive river]

I mean yes but my question is more so if she had a tenno or if she was a gen 1 lol

Or a gen 2 that retained sapience

[stiff fable]

No no, I get that, but the whole gen 1 gen 2 thing is mostly by us

[restive river]

I can see her not having a Tenno but that seems unlikely as the relay was destroyed recently

[dire mountain]

Wait what i just had an operator bark play in captura

[restive river]

I am well aware that it often leaves it ambigious lol

[dire mountain]

I still think the follie helmet graffiti looks like some sea angel or something (like on the cover of glass beach 2 I forget the name)

[lean garden]

the what story?

[strange plinth]

"And the voice cried out in pride, saying, 'who are you mites, that you presume to judge an Executor?' But the company of Hexis answered and said, 'we are akin to those millions you have oppressed, and before tomorrow dawns, we shall see justice done.'"
one of zorba's lines

[lean garden]

ah

[celest needle]

what is kuva even made out of

[restive river]

Unknown

3. What is 'kuva'?

A. Fluid with Void-derived capacity to conduct consciousness (correct)

It has a tie to the void but we don’t know where it comes from and it technically predates the void even being useful so

We really need details on the history of kuva lol

[blissful merlin]

Pleaseeee

[twin wigeon]

wot

[blissful merlin]

More history on Kuva

[twin wigeon]

nah

[blissful merlin]

I’d like to know how in the world the orokin discovered this and how it worked in the first place lol

[restive river]

My assumption is they discovered it sometime after 1999 during the radiation wars to keep certain people going throughout
But it could have been discovered earlier too

If it coincides with the discovery of the void then I can see it originating from it somehow but either way it predates the void being useful

[loud oriole]

finally got around to punching roathe 21 times for both the honoria and the voice messages

[gritty dew]

do yall think that Stalker's acolytes will become lore relevant in constellations?

[restive river]

Eh I doubt it but we’ll see

[celest needle]

if it is that will be a more baller reveal then Adis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243879221797978174/1260352814207471648/ssstik.io_1718201689270-ezgif.com-resize.gif

[gritty dew]

adis.. who is that?

OH, Sentient kid

[pine thistle]

How did Albrecht even know about 1999

[gritty dew]

why is 1999 SO important? i forgot

[restive river]

Wdym exactly

[restive river]

He never really says, we just know it is

[pine thistle]

It’s not as thought that history is easily accessible

[restive river]

In his notes he just jumps to it

“I went among the denizens of the plague year like a saviour, my hands filled with healing.”

[restive river]

It is with a Time Machine lol

[pine thistle]

I mean in books

🗿

[restive river]

This is what he says before he leaves

“As I await my final crossing to the past, I ponder what role a scientist may play in so spiritual a matter as 'absolution'. How in the alchemy of the soul, even repentance must necessarily be a calculated task.

I will repair what I have broken, no more and no less. The scales must balance. And in such a monstrous penitence as this, I shall take no heed of the dust that may fall upon them on either side, the dust of petty lives.

The builders of old tempered their mortar with blood, to appease the most ancient of land-spirits. We should have been so wise. Yet it is not too late to learn.

The sands fall. The circuit completes. I return to the place of the beginning.

Let witless hordes bleat their disdain for every fervent plan;
The deal is done, the die is cast. I end as I began.”

[strange plinth]

Loid refers to 1999 as "pivotal" a few times, there's the "hollvania shall chart the course of history for 10,000 years" bit from the comic, and 1999 was apparently "the only place in history where [the man in the wall] could not easily follow."

[restive river]

He’s an Orokin
While yes many of the old Earth records were lost I can easily see him having access to that info

For instance he knows 1999 is the plague year

[strange plinth]

there's a bunch of chalkboards in the netracells that lead to 1999 as the final 'solution' iirc

[restive river]

With likely brought on the radiation wars which likely led to the Orokin gaining power which leads to him

[gritty dew]

so, rewriting the history of 1999 can rewrite present day sol?

[restive river]

We don’t really know his plan
We know he went to other places before 1999 but eventually landed on 1999

[restive river]

Yes
Palimpsest of spacetime

[strange plinth]

having not seen them in a while and making this up as i go, maybe those calculations were trying to figure out the plague year and landed on 1999

[restive river]

2. What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?

A. Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist (correct)

B. Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased

[pine thistle]

I don’t understand why Loid has become such a character of importance. I know he’s Albrecht’s apparent lover and an Archimedian but how did this guy become such a figure of authority to everyone?

Like his word is like gospel at this point, I’ve not seen this deference except to the Lotus herself.

[restive river]

He’s not an archimedian

He’s just a smart dude and is one of the few in on what’s happening lol

[pine thistle]

So he’s a scientist who never went to college basically

[strange plinth]

guy from the old war that knows and assisted the guy that we're chasing because he's the only one with a semblance of a plan on how to deal with wally

[restive river]

Eh, I wouldn’t say that

If he wasn’t a butler he would likely be an archimedian

[gritty dew]

so our end goal is to defeat the Indifference but how do we do that if it exists above our dimension?

[stiff fable]

That's the question, isn't it kiddo

[restive river]

We don’t know the plan lol

We know love can fend him off

And without his finger he’s weakened, hence needing the fragmented

[pine thistle]

Even when we beat the Indifference, what then?

[gritty dew]

rest easy?>

[strange plinth]

who knows

[stiff fable]

I have a few guesses for what the plan might be, but I have doubts as to whether any of them would work

[dire mountain]

Sol forbid albrecht let anyone in on the shit he's doing 😭

[restive river]

Deal with what’s next

[gritty dew]

bro is on the highest level of schizo, like just look at the persons eyes before saying anything

[restive river]

Tau radiation

[limber hull]

Tau radiation and the giant vessels

[stiff fable]

Plan 1: build a Vessel and literally punch Wally in the face
Fairly likely as a plan given that the Vessels are exactly for that purpose, fairly unlikely to work

[restive river]

Tbf we don’t actually know if Albrecht knows about that lol

The vessels are for fighting Wally though
That’s confirmed

[blissful merlin]

How many fingers are found upon one's hand?

A. Five

B. Where are my fingerbones, kiddo? (correct)

Lmaooo I forgot about this one. Gave me a good giggle.

[gritty dew]

what are these a. b. things from?

[pine thistle]

I think all keep ignoring the elephant in the room that keeps growing: the Origin System’s current state and its future.

The Grineer and Corpus have to be ousted eventually.

[blissful merlin]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/zariman-tablets/

[limber hull]

Tau is in sight

[restive river]

“Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas' warframes, and the titanic potency of the Gray Strain. My saviours.”

[pine thistle]

We need a new ruler for the system

[restive river]

Yes but we don’t know why he said that lol

[strange plinth]

there's a bunch of quiz tablets scattered around duviri
they range from fairly normal to completely corrupted by wally

[gritty dew]

why are Wally's fingers so important?

[restive river]

Nah

[blissful merlin]

What is 'the Wall'?

A. The barrier between rational reality and the Void

B. The Wall of Bone in whiKU NOMA ELU RA KAH, MARA LOHK? (correct)

[gritty dew]

What did we do with Tyl Regor's research?

[pine thistle]

Yes

[stiff fable]

Plan 2: Make a new "Rell"
Locking up Wally worked. I could absolutely see Albrecht looking to make a new can.
Likelihood of being the plan is low, likelihood of working is high. Not a permanent solution

[pine thistle]

This isn’t going to work

[celest needle]

We blew it up

[stiff fable]

Gave it to Alad V

[celest needle]

huh?

[stiff fable]

There's a reason he isn't infested anymore

[restive river]

Fibonacci: "So long as the Indifference is missing a digit, it is confined to the strands of Khra. Don't ask; your tiny mind would likely pop under the strain of understanding. This limitation is our one hope."

Loid: "Do not patronise the Tenno, fish. The strands of Khra are merely Void-renderings of the chains of cause and effect. Conceptually embodied timelines, if you will."

[gritty dew]

WHY

[celest needle]

wait is he talking about Natah or the operation?

[stiff fable]

He used Regor's research to undo his infestation

[gritty dew]

the mission where we kill Regor

[blissful merlin]

Man…anytime I hear “timelines” it just rubs my brain the right way lol.

[restive river]

Nah
If we ever are able to enact a proper government it shouldn’t be ruled by one person lol
That’s just Roathe’s terrible plan

[gritty dew]

wait Alad V is still alive?!

[pine thistle]

The Tenno have the ability to become to the Origin System what the Jedi Order was to the Galactic Republic.

[strange plinth]

yea lol
he wasn't on that ship in TNW

[stiff fable]

It seems as though it was a one-time cure and the infestation has "patched" that possibility

[restive river]

Eh, kinda

[gritty dew]

why did we not give Tyl Regor's research to Steel Meridian, why ALAD V

[stiff fable]

He offered a better weapon

[restive river]

Also we really can’t destroy the corpus and grineer
We have to keep balance between them or one will take over

[pine thistle]

The issue is we don’t know if the void powers can be passed down because none of the Tenno are old enough to have children.

[stiff fable]

This was back in the time where main story happened via global events

[pine thistle]

If they can be, then the Tenno will exist indefinitely

[gritty dew]

weapon?

[limber hull]

For the origin system it allowed the technology to conquer stars and travelled in space.
For wally those missing fingers means he can't access our world that easily

[restive river]

Their DNA is void saturated
But
Yeah we don’t know

[stiff fable]

Basically Alad V and Nef Anyo went head to head

[restive river]

They did not conquer a single star lol

[stiff fable]

Alad asked us to steal Regor's research for him, Nef Anyo told us to blow it up

[pine thistle]

We need a Federation of Mankind

[restive river]

I mean we can’t do much of anything unless those two big problems disappear
Let alone the infestation
And Narmer
And the still racist sentients

[pine thistle]

The Orokin, for all of their power and might, failed because they treated their subjects as playthings instead of people.

A new state would need to rectify this

[gritty dew]

what are some big main story events that are inaccessible due to the global event thing?

[restive river]

And how would you prevent it from ever being corrupt?
From just being the Orokin again?

[strange plinth]

" "And it is written: the Tenno shall in time rule in place of the Orokin, but despite their great honour they shall be like unto youths, immature and driven by intemperate passions. Such princelings shall have sore need of seasoned adults to mediate between them. Be ye then Arbiters, bound by the covenant of Hexis." "
zorba line that's. relevant

[pine thistle]

Tubemen of Regor

[gritty dew]

anything else?

[strange plinth]

like half of alad v's storyline
gradivus dilemma > hunt for alad v > zanuka fight > suspicious shipments > breeding grounds > mutalist incursions > patient zero > second dream > shadow debt > hostile mergers > ropalolyst > new war > ??? but still alive
italics are in-game

[pine thistle]

Don’t concentrate power within the hands of an elite few. Have a Federation Senate

A judicial branch

An executive led by a chancellor

[restive river]

Has there ever been a government that has ever like actually worked and was never corrupt lol

Like yes the tenno would be great in like
Two decades if we can also fix the main problems
But they’re still human and what of who comes next? We aren’t immortal nor should be

[limber hull]

~Narmer~ 👀

[restive river]

It’s not our powers that makes us special

[pine thistle]

The Orokin were bad as rulers because of the way their culture soured, which led to the rotting of their civilization from the inside out.

A civilization, a state, and the leaders thereof, have a duty to serve the people of their state, to ensure their wellbeing and their safety. To keep order and stability that will allow flourishing and prosperity.

The Orokin once, according to at least some things I’ve read, had at least a few of these principles, but they forsook them in favor of power and greed. Instead of serving their people they oppressed them and served themselves.

It was only a matter of time before someone who wasn’t an Orokin, whether baseline, sentient, or Tenno, had had enough. The human rebellions if any, didn’t work, clearly. The Sentients brought the Empire to its knees, and then the Tenno finished it off.

[restive river]

Because forcing everyone into piss warm vr isn’t corrupt?

[blissful merlin]

corrupt

[pine thistle]

The Orokin had the ability to be the greatest of mankind

To lead humanity into a golden age of growth and prosperity

And instead they squandered it

[restive river]

Ngl I think parts of the Orokin were always corrupt lol

[strange plinth]

and they did
but they also ruined it in such opulence

[restive river]

Look at the proto Orokin practically being a shadow government

[pine thistle]

As with any civilization, but the rot spread unchecked and became so deep and entrenched that by the end it was synonymous with the Orokin as a people

I used to like the Orokin, think they were necessary. No more

[restive river]

They weren’t a race of people

[pine thistle]

They were a caste

[restive river]

Ye

[pine thistle]

The Orokin weren’t necessary because they failed at their duty to protect, preserve, defend, and serve humanity. The Orokin forgot the place of a ruler is to serve the ruled, not themselves.

[restive river]

I mean they very likely started as cooperate billionaire giant ego tyrants and just mutated into being worse and worse lol

[pine thistle]

Ruling is a burden not a luxury

[stiff fable]

The Epstein class

[restive river]

I think they forgot that day 1
Not
All of them but the big wigs

[stiff fable]

And techbros

Nef Musk and Frohd Thiel

[restive river]

I would not be shocked if the emperors were the ORO people lol

[stiff fable]

now that you mention it

There's going to be more time travel, isn't there

[restive river]

The tenno would factually be better but we aren’t anywhere near them “ruling”

[strange plinth]

well yea that's what the next update's about /s

[restive river]

Yes, there is some in the next update

[pine thistle]

“In the early Orokin Empire, elites wore Innodem as a symbolic reminder to defend the defenseless. The tradition fell out of style, but nostalgic elites sometimes acknowledged the sentiment in the form of a gift.”

Once, they maybe did have good intentions, maybe they pulled humanity from the ashes of the radiation wars and promised to be better… and then forgot their promise.

[gritty dew]

||do yall think rich elites of our days see themselves as like our worlds version of the Orokin?||

Is there a reason why some warframes can mutter phrases like Uriel or Grendel

[stiff fable]

but no seriously Warframe 2099

Like the Marvel 2099 comics

https://klipy.com/gifs/canon-event-lochan-bwefi--k01KR34Q5FFBESZ9RAB1T9DD63C

[stiff fable]

oh yes, absolutely

[restive river]

Again
ORO was a shadow government
The rot was there since day 1
Also again, not for all of them lol

[restive river]

Yes they’re basically an analogy to them lol

[stiff fable]

Rich people today go on illegal safaris to shoot endangered animals

[strange plinth]

phrases specifically? probably not, though they do go against the 'rules' for warframes that loid mentions
the interesting bit is that Uriel (and his little creatures) speak voidtongue

[restive river]

I mean isn’t that kinda the joke with the new protos

[stiff fable]

Literally just so that they can

[restive river]

Or uh
People

[stiff fable]

Kinda!

there's a difference between people poaching as a job and people hunting rare animals just to leave their carcasses behind

[gritty dew]

sometimes i think we need another mass extinction event then i look at earth's history and see its too soon for the earth to naturally do another one

[restive river]

No it isn’t

[pine thistle]

I also despise the Orokin due to their mentality at the end. The worst mentality one can have, arguably even worse than the continuity or warframes.

[restive river]

Continuity alone is what likely leads to that mentality
Not just living long but literally seeing the people as a resource

[stiff fable]

While yes, I meant how Marvel 2099 worked in the comics. They moved the timeline forward and did a pre-apocalyptic thing with a bunch of new characters in the old roles

[restive river]

People at one point in time gave themselves up for the cause
Then it turned rotten with time, it wasn’t a choice anymore

[restive river]

Ah

[stiff fable]

So there'd be a new "Hex" fighting Scaldra in a different city in 2099

[pine thistle]

I mean they because of their own arrogance refused to allow the proliferation of their technology amongst mankind, so when they fell, it was all lost. Their goal seemed to be “if we can’t have it, no one can” and thus intentionally sabotaged all of humanity by forcing it to rely on them for any type of innovation of high technology, dooming them to regression if they ever did fall… which is what happened when they did fall.

They basically had a dead man’s switch that swept the legs out from under humanity if they couldn’t continue being overlords forever and ever.

They left things behind but that was unintentional and accidental. They didn’t want to, they just couldn’t get rid of it all.

The worst crime in my eyes is hoarding technology. The gene locks were the single most evil aspect of that entire empire.

[gritty dew]

we still got like ~100 Ma until the earth naturally does a mass exstinction

[dire mountain]

Rate we're going it won't be that long dont worry

[restive river]

They really made every bad choice lol

[stiff fable]

I mean, that's entirely in character. Ballas decided to kill the entire solar system because we stopped him from leaving.

[pine thistle]

We STILL can’t develop new primes

We don’t know how

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-marvel-rivals-rivals-doom-doom-2099-gif-4653422135032086634

[restive river]

Isn’t there a massive volcano that’s overdue for an eruption?
Or do you mean more massive than that

[gritty dew]

yeah i didnt even factor that

[restive river]

What we really need is not a mass extinction event but a mass people with way too much money go extinct event

[pine thistle]

They are so petty that they would destroy all of humanity if it means no one except them can rule.

How disgusting is that?

[gritty dew]

i mean we talking atleast +60% of all life on earth size M.E.

[restive river]

Too high a chance for the practically Orokin to survive

[stiff fable]

yep. I bet you that if they'd been stopped from getting into space, they'd have sabotaged the war against the infestation to make sure all humanity dies with them

[blissful merlin]

I do love this idea thou, cuz it’s perfect lol. It fits that “futuristic technology” plus it’s a future version of XX99 albrechts could’ve visited. Literal perfection. Brilliant.

[stiff fable]

Also it gets us closer to Warframe cyberpunk

[blissful merlin]

THIS

[gritty dew]

i was low balling the number, mass exstinctions typically take out 90% of all life everytime

[restive river]

Tbh I think Albrecht isn’t involved with the constellation crew

[stiff fable]

If they're not going to give us Corposium, I demand Protoframe Hong Kong

[restive river]

Still too low
They’re like really stupid roaches

We should maybe stay from the real world a bit lol

[pine thistle]

The earth has nearly a hard ceiling on life. It is roughly one billion years until the sun heats up too much for life to be supported on earth. The planet will fall out of the Goldilocks Zone then.

Unless we can adjust orbit to compensate, but that assumes humanity will exist in a billion years.

[blissful merlin]

True, could be something else entirely but we’ll see! If he isn’t, I’m highly interested on how these 2 became protos. Like did they become them on their own? Did someone ELSE give them the juices lmao

[stiff fable]

https://youtu.be/YDhkbhZxULM

[gritty dew]

this is taken from the exstinction intensity wikipedia page

[stiff fable]

straight up let's do Shadowrunframe

[pine thistle]

Also what is it with DE and not liking capes as syandanas I have to wonder?

There’s like no capes in this game

[gritty dew]

takes up too much space

[stiff fable]

oh, they think it's too generic iirc

[restive river]

Corpus
Parvos has been invading the labs
What’s in the labs? A lot of Albrecht’s research, including protoframe research, possibly time travel and eternalism research too

[stiff fable]

One guy made a Tennogen cape and it's the single best selling cosmetic in the game

[blissful merlin]

Very much yes to this

[stiff fable]

And DE banned capes from every future Tennogen

[gritty dew]

what relay factions have actual relevance to the big narrative?

[restive river]

Albrecht is the number one dude to figure out the polytemporal nexus
But Parvos is the most likely person to actually try and make something to access it

[stiff fable]

Red Veil

[restive river]

Red Veil

[stiff fable]

That's it

MAYBE Arbiters, but that's a big maybe

[pine thistle]

How 🗿

[restive river]

Suda helped out in that one quest with hunhow

[stiff fable]

they want Warframe to be weirder than that, basically

[gritty dew]

how did they help?

[restive river]

Rell

[stiff fable]

They didn't. They did the opposite of help.

[strange plinth]

red veil's pretty related to chains of harrow, obv
uhhhh
yea i think that's it for the main narrative
arbiters have their connection via Follie, but who knows if we'll see more of that
suda, new loka, and perrin have quests
steel meridian helped with an operation that no one new to the game would ever know about

[gritty dew]

i forgot who Rell is

[restive river]

No
They helped
They got Rell his frame

[restive river]

😭 ain’t no way

[stiff fable]

However, they served a Tenno, and their original mission was helping him seal away the Man in the Wall

[restive river]

I did this almost 12 hours ago lol

[stiff fable]

huh, did they?

I've never seen that. Big if true.

[restive river]

I believe so
Not like he was in the program so

He could have gotten him himself but
We don’t know 100%
But they likely did help him

[stiff fable]

He just wasn't in the Reservoir with the other Tenno, doesn't mean he wasn't in the Warframe program

[blissful merlin]

Parvos Granum: "The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them!"
😈😈😈
IF parvos is the reason they’re both traveling back, omg he truly did violate them lol, including creating a proto of his own (in each timeline)

WAITTTT I LOVE THAT

[restive river]

He was cast out

[gritty dew]

wait Rell the autistic coded child from Chains of Harrow is relevant to TMITW?

[pine thistle]

That one they had at TennoCon last year was beautiful ngl

[restive river]

I don’t think he made the protos, I think he stole or made their serums.

[stiff fable]

(If he's the one who blinded original mom, we would have tried to rip him apart)

[strange plinth]

Lotus: "How could Rell have lived this long? Without the long dream?"
Palladino: "In a way, he didn't. He knew his mortality would undo his purpose, so he gave up his humanity, forever. He committed his soul to the undying vessel-"
Lotus: "His Warframe."
Palladino: "Yes. He commanded we chain it within the depths of the sacred temple. An eternal vigil against the Indifference."
Lotus: "And you believed him. You helped him do it."
Palladino: "Yes. After everything you've seen, wouldn't you?"
they helped with the binding, at least

[pine thistle]

I wish I bought it at the time ☹️

[stiff fable]

you can buy the better one tbh

[strange plinth]

yea htat's like. half of the point of the quest
we take on the burden of keeping the man in the wall away after we free rell

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Nulwarden_Syandana

[restive river]

No emote tho

Nulwarden and Riftguard are crazy titles btw

[stiff fable]

Yeah fr

[restive river]

Need those as honoria

They mean the same thing but they’re so cool

[stiff fable]

I'm a little disappointed that it didn't end up being relevant to The Old Peace at all

I get that it ties into the overall theme of this story arc, but maaaaaaan

[strange plinth]

was relevant to isleweaver more than old peace
n even then, not a huge amount

[restive river]

Based on the titles alone which one are you?

[blissful merlin]

I have a maybe stupid question, Are syandanas like…a thing that was worn in-lore? Not just cosmetic style like but an actual thing that was worn? (I hope I’m wording this correctly lol)

[stiff fable]

Yes!

[gritty dew]

speaking of, what purpose does Isleweaver have to the story

[strange plinth]

yea actually, the leverian uses syandanas frequently

[stiff fable]

We know a number of them were given to Tenno as awards, as symbols of office or rank, and so on

[restive river]

Wally got mad we took 1999 so now he’s making a bad fanfic in our old stomping grounds

[strange plinth]

its what wally is up to post-the hex
attacking drifter's childhood because drifter took the city from him

[blissful merlin]

Ohhhh??? I need to revisit!!! It’s been so long!

[blissful merlin]

That’s so cool

[gritty dew]

elaborate please?

[strange plinth]

(Spiral start) Neci Rusalka: "They ousted me from my city, so I found myself a kingdom to rule. Mother would be proud."

[stiff fable]

that's basically it

[restive river]

Yeah idk how to elaborate further lol

[daring tusk]

aside from umbra and protoframes. lorewise, which frames did we already yoink or prolly yoinkable without rebuilding them from scratch

[gritty dew]

well whats the "fanfic" i havent touched isleweaver

[gritty dew]

without knowing anything i think Protea and Harrow?

[strange plinth]

everyone's dead, basically

[restive river]

It’s isleweaver
It’s Wally on the throne

[stiff fable]

literally, Wally is creating a new Duviri storybook

[restive river]

Not everyone
Iirc he was having the survivors make weapons

[gritty dew]

lmao

[stiff fable]

The way we have "The Covetous Courier" etc, Wally is writing "The Triumph of Dust"

[restive river]

More like he grafted on his self insert fanfic

[strange plinth]

(Reconnect the power lines) Mathila: "Look what she's driven me to. Assembling weapons. And me, a loving mother! Can you get it done?"
mhm

(Find the hidden chest) Mathila: "There were people here. She… unmade them. You have to find what they left!"

[restive river]

):

Not sleeping

[stiff fable]

If the Triumph of Dust lasted long enough, eventually Wally would be able to make it the real Duviri

[restive river]

Why would Megan lie 😔

[stiff fable]

And shatter the timeline

[restive river]

it’s a stand of khra

[strange plinth]

mm, not really shatter
but overwrite

[restive river]

Or
In one rather

[stiff fable]

    The Queen of Duviri laughed. "I had such a beautiful ending planned for that one. But he saved me the effort."

    "How?" demanded the Orphan.

    "He died of a broken heart, waiting for a man who would never come back. A man who was secretly glad to be rid of his whining, clinging presence.

    "But love!" the Orphan cried, feeling their last hope shrivel and die within them. "Surely the power of love..."

    The Queen restede her splendid claw on the Orphan's shoulder. A look that might have been pity crossed her face.

    "The forefathers of your forefathers looked into the shining heart of an atom, scribbled their clever equations, and ripped it apart. Did they spare a thought for the age-old love between proton and neutron? Or did they only think of the bountiful energy they could harvest?"”```

[restive river]

Palimpsest

[stiff fable]

.....oh hello

When's the last time we actually read these?

[restive river]

We kill the fragmented to cut out the fanfic btw

[stiff fable]

    "What killed her?" the Orphan asked.

    "I did, of course," answered the Queen of Duviri.

    "Why?"

    "Why not?"

    A strange idea came into the Orphan's mind. The Queen knew at once that the Glory was at work within them, just as it worked within her, but she held her peace.

    "She was your mother, wasn't she?"

    "As much as a mother as I ever had," the Queen said. The Glory quickly swallowed down the human weakness that rose in her like bile. "She would be so proud."

    "So... why?"

    The Queen shrugged. "Maybe I want to find out what it feels like to kill your parents? You kids made it look like fun."

    "Fun," echoed the Orphan hollowly.

    "Baby spiders always eat the mother," said the Queen with an exquisite grin. "They need to. They wouldn't get strong otherwise. One day you'll learn the lesson, kiddo."”```

[gritty dew]

so if i understand correctly, Because Wally is missing his fingers he has to choose carefully when to mess with us but he knows the outcomes already due to being able to view timelines from the outside?

[stiff fable]

"The Glory" is a new term

[strange plinth]

why's Along Came A Spider not tagged with isleweaver, grayarchon

[lean garden]

I mean, both are unyoinkable becaus ones a spectre and one already is being piloted

[stiff fable]

Yes and no, because he's missing the fingers he doesn't get to know the results of his own actions until he takes them

[lean garden]

If he knew the outcomes he'd be much stronger than he is now, therefore blud is as blind as we are

[restive river]

It’s a name for Wally

[stiff fable]

However he can travel through time fairly casually

[strange plinth]

indeed
"The Queen" refers to Rusalka being possessed by wally, but "The Glory" is just wally, i think

[lean garden]

if he was truly outside time the idiot wouldnt struggle with finding the finger

[restive river]

He can also see through them so like
Is he stupid

[strange plinth]

especially with this bit

"The adults turned on us. Did you do that?"

"The parents turned on you," the Queen corrected them graciously, prompted by the Glory that enveloped her. "The rest of the adults were spared. At first."
from velimir's corpse

[stiff fable]

yup

[gritty dew]

okay so with his fingers gone, we are searching for when and how to defeat wally before he timeline hops enough to find what he wants to achieve?

[lean garden]

unless he's an absolute moron because I'd know exactly where Id immediately go to find the finger if I existed out of time

[gritty dew]

where are they btw, his fingies

[lean garden]

hopping between timelines will do diddlysquat to find his finger

[strange plinth]

unknown !

[stiff fable]

everywhere, kinda?

[restive river]

We don’t know where the originals are

[stiff fable]

Railjacks. The Zariman. Anything with a reliquary drive, really.

[restive river]

There are replicas but that’s not what he wants

Iirc its confirmed that the Orokin replicated them

Uh
Somehow lol

[stiff fable]

Oh, there are actually multiple Zarimans, besides the 10-0 I mean

Some of them probably have fingers onboard

[gritty dew]

HOW Albrecht cut them off when the portal closed so shouldnt Albrecht know where they are

[stiff fable]

One finger was cut, multiple hit the floor.

[strange plinth]

yea, he's the only one that does
and he isn't telling
that's why wally pursues him

[blissful merlin]

Imagine if they’re hidden in some pocket of space somewhere in the Tau system.

[lean garden]

its undetermined if those had drives or just flew over to tau via other means

[restive river]

Oh what if they’re in the rift?

[blissful merlin]

OOOOOH

[stiff fable]

Which is why I said some of them, probably

[lean garden]

Sometimes you can go faster if you dont have to stop to build tracks

[stiff fable]

yep

[restive river]

Limbo proto Loid is required mayhaps

[stiff fable]

oh my god Limbo being plot relevant

[strange plinth]

the sentients watching a zariman pass them:

[stiff fable]

I would scream

[restive river]

“Bruh”

[blissful merlin]

“Loid sit down, it’s time to go limbo”

[restive river]

The cephalons inside “I’M SORRY”

[gritty dew]

so core wally is missing one finger but when he passed through he tried taking a different form leading to multiple fingers?

[stiff fable]

no, it's just a thing that happened

[restive river]

One fell multiple dropped

[stiff fable]

They split and divided, some started to grow

[gritty dew]

i- uhhh hmm

[stiff fable]

Branching out like....

timelines.

[restive river]

The Orokin then replicated them

[stiff fable]

(I have a crazed conspiracy theory that the Unum is the finger)

[lean garden]

you ever play God Of War: Ragnarok?

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/timeline-timelines-sacred-timeline-branching-timeline-branching-gif-22688479

[restive river]

Roathe confirms they were replicated iirc
Which was disappointing

[gritty dew]

extra dimensional beings are so hard to understand

[gritty dew]

not yet

[lean garden]

why? I thought it was the consensus answer

[strange plinth]

The pale reaching digits severed on the floor... studied with reverence, with greed.
digits, yet wally's only missing one

[restive river]

I liked Captain’s theory ):

[blissful merlin]

Same…. 😭

[lean garden]

if you are familiar, think of it as the fancy ring thing that splits

[restive river]

That they self replicated like holy relics

[restive river]

Orreries?

[stiff fable]

Yeah, it's just a trait of actual Catholic relics to self-multiply

[gritty dew]

i will have to download ragnarok then

[strange plinth]

Roathe: The damnable fingers. We took those cursed fingers, in a desperate and mad attempt to reach Tau, and we Orokin found a way to replicate them, didn't we?
r2c4, yea

[lean garden]

I mean, I dont see how what roathe said makes it mutually exclusive

[stiff fable]

like, actual Catholic doctrine

[restive river]

He literally says they found a way to replicate them

[lean garden]

because "found a way to replicate them" is a big enough umbrella for "we put them in a box and viola, theres more"

[restive river]

Wouldn’t that defy physics actually

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dungeons-and-dragons-dungeon-master--k01KR36N013NTJYDHN17C3E9FA2

[lean garden]

see below

or above

[restive river]

True maybe there was a stimulant they figured out

[gritty dew]

Schrodinger's finger

[restive river]

Chekov’s finger

[lean garden]

An Observer has entered the Eye, what will happen next?

[gritty dew]

but instead of existing its quantity

[restive river]

Peak reference :O

[stiff fable]

fingerguns

[lean garden]

I mean, its not anymore bamboozling than what Jesus pulls off before

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/duplicate-ant-man-scott-lang-paul-rudd-ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-gif-27460850

[strange plinth]

we've gotta stop making this joke /s

[restive river]

Water to wine or

[stiff fable]

"A new finger touches the beacon"

[stiff fable]

loaves and fishes

[restive river]

Ah

[lean garden]

and twice more instances of multiplying bread

[restive river]

He was just using the spawn menu dw bout it

[gritty dew]

or the fishing net story

[lean garden]

dude literally had to do it thrice, the third time was because the disciples didnt get it

[restive river]

I have not read the Bible lol

[gritty dew]

anyone recall that?

[lean garden]

theres two lol

one at the start and one in the end

For the same goober

[stiff fable]

honestly, it's worth reading, whether you're a believer or believe it's simply the world's best selling fantasy anthology

[lean garden]

Themes and such

[restive river]

I think I’m good but yeah I do fall into it’s a neat story lol

[lean garden]

for instance ^ the above
who doesnt love a nice callback redemption story

[restive river]

I like seeing iterations on it personally lol

It’s got some cool
I guess it would be fanfic lol

It’s got cool fanfics

[gritty dew]

basically Jesus is like "man im hungry"
his disciples spend all day casting a net and getting nothing
Jesus comes out accompanies them at the end of the day
Jesus goes, have you tried over there?
they cast over there and get like a 100 gar
The end

[gritty dew]

also questionable ones

[restive river]

Oooh
He had that one sentinel with the aquatic lifeform mod!

[restive river]

Well that’s every fandom tbh

Ahem
Undertale

[stiff fable]

man, ever since I made the crack about Warframe 2099 I can't get the idea out of my head

[restive river]

This is a sign i must sleep lol

[stiff fable]

Who do we use for a new Hex?

[gritty dew]

yeah its like one of the ones no one ever mentions ||its about these daughters who crack their king father unwillingly||

[blissful merlin]

After being Bible thumped my entire life…I hold a certain degree of disgust towards the Bible unfortunately. Like I’m so sick and tired of it being thrown at me. If I could’ve simply discovered it myself?? Different story. But my whole life of it being shoved in my face and how I’m going against everything it stands for cuz I’m gay and alive? Yea I’m good thanks. Lol. Even if the stories are good in a fantasy view. It’s still the most traumatizing book in my life.

I’ve learned to grow past all of that. And not care. But still, idk the Bible for me, I can’t ever read just for fun. It’ll just always be a Bible thump to me.

[restive river]

I need corposium stat

[lean garden]

and then it happens again lol

[stiff fable]

People LOVE talking about Sodom and Gomorrah, they just don't talk about what came after

[gritty dew]

I love this emote

[restive river]

It’s so good lol

[stiff fable]

I knooooow, but they said they weren't going to do anything with it for the time being like two years ago

[restive river]

Nooooo
That was when they said they had the plan!!!

The 5 year plan

[stiff fable]

yeah, just heartbreaking

[restive river]

😔

Maybe one day

I do think they want Parvos to be a new big bad
But
We also got Tau

I think constellations will possibly set that up a bit more

[gritty dew]

Tau will defo reveal a new big bad

[stiff fable]

Parvos needs to get hit I agree

[restive river]

The lords…

[restive river]

And his chud son

[stiff fable]

Remember when people thought he was going to be a good guy

[restive river]

Mmmhm
I remember when we thought Albrecht was a good guy

[stiff fable]

lol

[lean garden]

why is there a super version

[restive river]

And bombastine was a
Uh
It’s escaping me
The Jade Light transference controlled thing

[restive river]

yw

myrmidon!

I want those as an enemy type

[stiff fable]

maybe someday

[blissful merlin]

I’m also really excited for these new protos. I love that they’re not romanceble and don’t even have Kim chats. It’ll be very interesting to get their lore via railjack stuff and other means. I’m just glad they’re willing to do something different each time for whatever protoframes they introduce.

[gritty dew]

I want Atlas protoframe, also Voruna protoframe with a wolfcut

[pale cedar]

Where was it said they won't have KIM chats?

[strange plinth]

from https://www.warframe.com/en/news/devstream-195-overview

[stiff fable]

yeah I think they're trying to avoid getting caught in the expectation trap

[blissful merlin]

Which I love. Just screams DE haha. It’ll be cool to have these guys on call

I’ve only really used the lich from 1999, my Zeke_crust pizza…do other “on call” crew speak?

[gritty dew]

oooh recruitable, that means i can have a crew consisting of a Coda, Kuva Lich, Sister, and Protoframe

[restive river]

Oh my partner had an amazing idea for a Voruna proto
Basically she feels the hatred for the Orokin and Tuvul that Voruna did

[gritty dew]

oooh

i just think Atlas proto would be cool

[blissful merlin]

Voruna proto would go so hard

[restive river]

Before I’m off I had a fun hypothetical for you all!
If you could make a big bad for Warframe what would you do?
Corpus, Grineer, Infested, Scaldra, etc?
What’s their motive, what are they about, what would you want to be explored through them?

[stiff fable]

I mean

Evil Tenno

[lean garden]

better yet, shes orokin too

[stiff fable]

Someone who looks at the state of the system, the chaos and lack of stability and just decides to blow up the entire status quo

[lean garden]

self-loathing self-loathing self-loathing

[strange plinth]

red veil taken to 11

[stiff fable]

Without caring that it might lead to a Grineer or Corpus victory, they just want the fighting to stop

[blissful merlin]

An actual evil Tenno, who appeared outside of their frame, had an identity and even jumped between frames to confuse/mess with it/give us a taste of our own medicine would be insanely cool

[stiff fable]

While the player Tenno try to hold the balance, the enemy Tenno decide to keep pushing so that things can finally settle

but doesn't care who comes out on top

This also lets the Grineer and Corpus start racking up wins

[blissful merlin]

After the fun fights in the Netracells with my warframe and our evil twin Tenno counterpart lmao (Wally) mirroring our warframe, that was proof enough to me that we absolutely need an evil Tenno as an antagonist. It’d be so freaking fun lol
Especially if they switched between frames each fight or something

Imagine if they used their own Tauron strike on us lol

[stiff fable]

Switch between frames, and have their own Tenno powers

That's what I wanted for Stalker before Jade Shadows

[blissful merlin]

YESS

[stiff fable]

An Operator duel you need to use your own amp for

[blissful merlin]

It’d just be so perfect as a villain. One this series needs imo.

[restive river]

Ok before I go fr
Trust me
Go do the wordle

[blissful merlin]

That’d be so fun omg

[strange plinth]

less on the narrative side, but i think it'd be cool if there were scaldra versions of the acolytes
even if they were just reskins, an elite variant of the scaldra that would actually stand a chance against us could be interesting

[radiant pier]

I prefer this over the drifter v operator thing