lore-discussion

[pale cedar]

“Killed”

[fast dew]

A Nihil thing to do tbh

Glassing someone for refusing to be orokin

[zenith ore]

The way you put it is funny, yet his story is really sad... Well ig he's happier assisting us

[dusk temple]

Yeah, the Orokin didn’t stay dead. Unfortunate for them.

[pale cedar]

The Orokin that were killed were revived basically instantly

[zenith ore]

Really?? Then that means everything the tenno did was absolutely useless

[opaque zenith]

Glassing someone for any inconvenience atp

[fast dew]

He was a bit trigger happy, dont worry

I wanna bite him

[pale cedar]

No, because when we did it we destroyed the body markets meaning they had no bodies to swap into

[woven coyote]

Behold turbo sad

[dusk temple]

Nah, the Tenno did wipe out all of the Orokin but a few. Ballas, The Grineer Queen we killed, and Alad V are the ones that slipped through. And then there’s Nihil trapped in his oubliette.

[zenith ore]

Oh right, are they uhhhh... What do u call these spirited human looking thing? Homo dues

[pale cedar]

Alad isn't Orokin
Hunhow is just racist

[fast dew]

TICKERRR

[dusk temple]

Really? I thought he called him “Orokin called Alad V” at one point.

[lean garden]

Or is he...

-# Arise Tormis

[zenith ore]

Or do they just do some weird black magic shit

[fast dew]

-# And or scarne

[pale cedar]

Because he's racist and sees all humans as Orokin

[dusk temple]

Crazy. Alright, good to know.

[opaque zenith]

Super-soldier volunter? glassing.
Don't wanna be in the elite group chat? glassing.
Helped me revive? believe or not, glassing.

[lean garden]

-# and or? What did they do? A dragon ball fusion?

[dusk temple]

Grandpa Hunhow is racist.

[fast dew]

Oh hes so attractive someone stop me from violently ripping his head off

[fast dew]

-# yeah imagine that

[unique talon]

Lore wise: who is actually the fastest Warframe ever built by the orokin?

[woven coyote]

I still stand that they were never going to actually make him orokin and it was all just entertainment for them

[opaque zenith]

Stoping you with a paper string collar

[dusk temple]

Yeah, that was always the case and I think that’s why Ordan went in swinging, thinking he’d get blasted with the Jade Light or something.

[fast dew]

No bcs the way a paper chain would stop me :( I don't wanna break it

[weary dock]

Titania

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/968098119717904433/1387976625471099012/image0-5.gif

[unique talon]

In lore, not gameplay

[dusk temple]

In lore it’s Gauss

[weary dock]

Gauss then.

[opaque zenith]

To bad the wind broke it and someone (me) put a gun conveniently next to you

[weary dock]

He literally hit that metro man time slow

[fast dew]

Im gonna shoot the wind.

[unique talon]

But I mean, is gauss even close to zoom in the flash?

[woven coyote]

There isnt actually anything that guarantees gauss is the fastest

[dusk temple]

He literally ran around a city to make sure an Orokin Executor wouldn’t escape while Grendel hunted them down and ate the Executor.

[weary dock]

No nvm volt hit that metro man time slow

[pale cedar]

There's no canonical fastest Warframe

[weary dock]

In the intro

[unique talon]

I mean, his whole structure was literally built for speed

[fast dew]

Yeah that doesn't mean much

[woven coyote]

Powerscaling doesnt really go anywhere in warframe because we dont actually have a reference for most of them

[opaque zenith]

It's the Cyanex with the seeking bullets, Nihil's cooked

[fast dew]

You can always do better

[woven coyote]

Not quite

[weary dock]

If you wanna take it to apesheit logic limbo is the fastest

[woven coyote]

His powerset is kinect energy based

Speed is one of the results but not the base of it

[dusk temple]

Yeah, and he has the build of a sprinter.

[fast dew]

Limbo my beloved Riftwalker...

[lean garden]

apedoodoo indeed, so fast he's in multiple places at once

[fast dew]

HAHA

[weary dock]

Exactly.

[woven coyote]

Remember only his 1st ability affects sprint speed

[dusk temple]

His 4?

[unique talon]

https://tenor.com/view/psych-psychics-gif-18603165

[pale cedar]

You can't powerscale Warframes as it’s like powerscaling completely separate tools that aren't even related past tool for a job

[weary dock]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-5209896407858944574

[unique talon]

Elaborate

[woven coyote]

Funnily enough only reload speed fire rate and maybe meele speed

[fast dew]

Which is better suited for a task, a hammer or a Saw

[opaque zenith]

Bring the guy who mathed quicksilver to see wich is faster in the trailers

[lean garden]

Truth: It goes in the square hole

[dusk temple]

Then why does Mach Rush seem faster when using it? Also, in the trailer he is clearly shown as moving faster with Redline active.

[fast dew]

DO NOT

[lean garden]

*is affected by

DE didnt even dare let it be affected by ability strength

[fast dew]

Visual warping probably makes it seem faster

[pale cedar]

The hand holding it

[woven coyote]

Literally only feels

[fast dew]

EXACTLY

[opaque zenith]

Tbh you need more than the aura farm?

[dusk temple]

Huh. Well he does move faster with Redline in the trailer.

[fast dew]

Each job is fit for a different tool, but each job will only be done as well as the knowledge of the person using the tool

[woven coyote]

And once again we have nothing to guarantee he would be the fastest

Because there is nothing to compare to

So yeah like people have said before powerscaling in warframe is just a meaningless effort

[dusk temple]

Very true. We need DE to solve this discourse at some point. Hopefully in a Leverian update. If they ever make another.

[pale cedar]

A lot of powerscaling is just an agenda

[restive river]

Funnier to leave it ambiguous

[fast dew]

That one person who just said "catholic apologia" at any reasonable argument i had:

[restive river]

Also aside from Titania literally being faster we have multiple frames who can just. Teleport

[fast dew]

Oh did. I send that one to you nemesis

Ik i sent it to ducky, not sure about you

[unkempt linden]

That's the FOV scaling :V

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FhgShncJec

For reference: In Mass Effect, sprint does not actually make you faster. But it looks / feels like it does

[pale cedar]

Don't think so

[restive river]

Equivalent of adding red flame stickers

[fast dew]

Its the. "Doomguy's creator is a clone of doomguy!!" One lmao

[woven coyote]

Ork logic

[opaque zenith]

Why am I cacthing strays?

[pale cedar]

Dseige actually made a theory that Drifer is Operator dreaming

[fast dew]

[pale cedar]

He has also called almost every character Wally at one point

[rigid compass]

what yall talkin bout so i can argue with u for no reason?

[rigid compass]

"It was all wally?"
"always has been"

[pale cedar]

He actually called Cy of all characters Wally

The one character it makes no sense to call Wally

[rigid compass]

Lemme guess he called wally wally

[pale cedar]

He did

[rigid compass]

Im crine

Doesnt bro know wally is actually just darvo

Tryna make us feel like we did something because we lowkey tripped during his rescue and we got locked in a grineer prison

[pale cedar]

I don't know why people call him the second best for lore when 90% of his content is just theorycrafting with no logic behind it

[opaque zenith]

Tbf shapeshifters always give paranoia to some people, "you never know" and all

[rigid compass]

Im like 90% sure konzu is wally because he cant keep having 30 early lunches a day wheres all that food go

[pale cedar]

He has a high metabolism

[twin wigeon]

He working hard

Plains living is tough living

[rigid compass]

Konzu .000000001% power vs ultra instinct shaggy 100% power

[pale cedar]

I'd say he goes to the gym but there is no gym in Cetus

[twin wigeon]

Jade Light yourself!!!

[rigid compass]

Sonion we tryna dump that in the sun lock in

[opaque zenith]

Why you think the infested are still in the ocean? that's his training by battle

[rigid compass]

Who would win hunhow or mahoraga

[pale cedar]

Who?

[rigid compass]

U dont know big raga?

Livin under a rock buh

[pale cedar]

I signed up for Warframe lore

[rigid compass]

I signed up for agenda

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/timeloop-warframe-begin-again-begin-again-gif-170084454081808753

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

[pale cedar]

The agenda today is

Ballas is a terrible person and if you like him for the things he's done you need the Void

[twin wigeon]

What if I like him bc he’s so hateable

[pale cedar]

Then it's time for some light reconditioning

It's better than heavy reconditioning

[twin wigeon]

Like hes so damn terrible that you end up appreciating him as a villain

Is light reconditioning just jade light lobotomy

[pale cedar]

Void beam

[twin wigeon]

Noooooo don’t pull out the sirocco

[pale cedar]

Jade light is a good punishment

[twin wigeon]

Or are you gonna hit me with a 147

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-trailer-cinematic-trailer-grineer-tenno-gif-23972872

[ashen pulsar]

no. I'm pulling out vexoric for this one.

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-tau-naramon-tauron-ultimate-gif-5491768749526176420

[twin wigeon]

Not even Lorak

[ashen pulsar]

vexoric is more dramatic

[twin wigeon]

…

[vagrant zephyr]

mote amp canNOT be this scary man

[pale cedar]

Actually, it's Ampless

[rigid compass]

The agenda today is lotus should've died (permanently) in the new war and erra and hunhow should've been the main villains while ballas is erras servant. And the hex suck

[fast dew]

Wuh

Brother what in the shit

[rigid compass]

And we lowkirk should've had ordis been our mission control

Afterwards

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

[ocean geyser]

Worm spins a wheel to decide what unusual things he’ll say each day

[fast dew]

Yeah agenda posting

[opaque zenith]

There's some logic actually, madurai + last gast (cause the wf got ogris'ed) versus some low enough level could replicate the scene, kinda

[ocean geyser]

Last gast 😭

https://tenor.com/view/ghast-minecraft-cringe-fortnite-gaming-gif-14628693

[fast dew]

Its a pisswarm take that like. Ignores the whole point of the sentients

[opaque zenith]

Welp now I'm keeping it

[fast dew]

Unusual my ass

[ocean geyser]

It’s probably just daily bait atp
Can’t be anything else

[fast dew]

Bothersome, tiresome

[rigid compass]

They hated worm for he told the truth

#nemesisdoesntknowagenda

[fast dew]

I did hear you joined the community server though

[rigid compass]

Ballas was a innocent man

[fast dew]

Have fun with that

[rigid compass]

Ive been in there for months lol I just don't talk there much

HEY

WHO IS THAT

[bitter linden]

I cant believe margulis was so jealous of the tenno 😔

[strange plinth]

what

[rigid compass]

Yo stop larping I used worm first

[pale cedar]

You should talk there more you can maintain the agenda longer there

[rigid compass]

At least get a different color

[fast dew]

Oh yeah I think Voh would particularly like you

[bitter linden]

Its not a role im playing, its a calling

[fast dew]

Hes cool, shout out voh

[rigid compass]

W agenda spreading

[ocean geyser]

This worm knows the rizzler though (tangentially)
Immediately superior

[rigid compass]

Time to colonize the community server and spread the great agenda

[fast dew]

Oh

[rigid compass]

Nah id larp

[woven coyote]

It's ok community server is an acceptable loss

[ocean geyser]

Loss….

[fast dew]

Loss...

[strange plinth]

.:|:;

[rigid compass]

Ill build my army to retake this land

[fast dew]

I SHOUPD DRAW THA COMIC EITH ALBRECHT AND LOID

[woven coyote]

Retake implies you had it at some point

[fast dew]

Pregnant Albrecht agenda

[rigid compass]

Thats loid

[fast dew]

No, no

Euleria is his daughter

[rigid compass]

And I dont support that agenda

[fast dew]

Eat shit then idc

[rigid compass]

Nah uh loid

Time to go agenda

[fast dew]

The mpreg agenda is far superior than your dogwater takes

[bitter linden]

Tbf, if there was an orokin with a bunch of stomachs, why couldnt albrecht carry

[woven coyote]

Hey now you will make dogwater sad

[fast dew]

Ik hunhow aint human but he did carry his children so its true

Mpreg is already canon in warframe, what's one more

[fast dew]

True..

[twin wigeon]

I mean Karrish exists

Right his name was karrish right?

[opaque zenith]

Karishh. Orokin and complicated funky names

[bitter linden]

Tasty name...

[ocean geyser]

It’s been misspelled a lot

[ocean geyser]

Don’t eat his name :(

Grendel behaviour

[opaque zenith]

If I'd tell how many forgoteen the h in Nitokh...

[ocean geyser]

Forgoteen

[bitter linden]

Forgoteen

[opaque zenith]

Typing fast, oops

shoul've said forgor

[ocean geyser]

Hehe

[rigid compass]

Loid mpreg > albrecht mpreg

https://tenor.com/view/mog-mogged-snowman-gif-5368055129249858152

My agenda is far superior to yours

[fast dew]

The one that applies basic a/b/o ideas? Pathetic. Be unique. Get the masc pregnant.

[signal fog]

this guy is onto something

[tall echo]

being different for the sake of being different is also boring

[turbid kestrel]

lol, dogwater

[fast dew]

Yeah he just had some abysmal takes and thats the best word I have for it that I can say here

[turbid kestrel]

If hunhow birthed Natah (Lotus) then by that logic a human being can mpreg a sentient

[fast dew]

Worth it

Keep me away from hunhow

[turbid kestrel]

Don’t be like that, man gave you a Bow

[fast dew]

Even better

[rigid compass]

This guy is on something

[fast dew]

I'm gonna prove having a messed up womb doesn't mean anything

[turbid kestrel]

Referring to Lotus Right? She lost her ability to birth when she went through void

[fast dew]

No, hunhow

[rigid compass]

They might be able to get the DNA of a human and create a hybrid

[fast dew]

[turbid kestrel]

Oh

[fast dew]

Yeah I like men 💔

Unfortunately.

[turbid kestrel]

Man warframe lore is hard to grasp

[rigid compass]

My takes are peak sonion

[tall echo]

...no?

[fast dew]

Eh, its. Yeah its pretty hard

[rigid compass]

Its not hard to grasp these guys just make it hard

[tall echo]

wf lore is simple, people are just dense

[rigid compass]

Yuh uh

[turbid kestrel]

lol

[fast dew]

As jn

The people who don't understand it

[rigid compass]

Jn

[turbid kestrel]

Jn

[strange turtle]

Jm

[fast dew]

Jm

[turbid kestrel]

Slim

[pale cedar]

J.m

[fast dew]

Slim jim

[turbid kestrel]

Slim Shady

[rigid compass]

✋ 😐 🤚

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-world-silly-world-minecraft-smp-gif-24649551

wait that says silly

[rigid compass]

Sonion

[pale cedar]

Silly Scrap can’t tell the difference between shady and silly

[turbid kestrel]

Operator mpreg lotus

My agenda is superior to yours

[rigid compass]

The reading comprehension son

[fast dew]

Operator is

A child

[tall echo]

no I'm just probably approaching legally blind levels of short sighted

[rigid compass]

Ts so advanced

[fast dew]

And that is their adoptive mother

[turbid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-king-von-king-von-king-von-piracy-king-von-anti-piracy-gif-11039484168229059057

[fast dew]

And operator doesn't have a set gender

[tall echo]

reading comprehension has nothing to do with it

[turbid kestrel]

Because the Tenno ain’t a singular person

[rigid compass]

The seeing skill issue

[pale cedar]

That’s certainly a take of all time

[fast dew]

Then say tenno and not operator

[fast dew]

And even then, most operators are children

[turbid kestrel]

Shit

[pale cedar]

All except one is as Rell is dead

[strange turtle]

All Operators are. Drifter’s technically one, but nobody calls them it, and they don’t identify with it either

[fast dew]

Use drifter, at least they don't have a motherly formation

[celest needle]

Well he died an eternal child so

[bitter linden]

are corpses not children?

[rigid compass]

How can we consider rell a child

[turbid kestrel]

I incriminated myself, should have seen that one coming

[pale cedar]

Rell never slept so aged into an adult

[rigid compass]

Hes autistic not a kid

[turbid kestrel]

Autism is a condition not an age

[fast dew]

Autism is

Real

[strange turtle]

I mean when we hear him in the quest outside flashbacks he’s still a kid

[strange turtle]

And he always gets treated like one outside of his religious role

[rigid compass]

Argueably depending on the time operators have spent fighting in the new war u could say they are grown ups but never matured mentally? Idk

[celest needle]

Cro

[turbid kestrel]

Cultists worshiping an autistic child

[celest needle]

/j or /s

[fast dew]

N. No

[rigid compass]

Bro

Thats not what I was saying?

[strange turtle]

New War wasn’t actually that long

DE just faked us out

[rigid compass]

Yo mb I meant old

[turbid kestrel]

Unless you suck at games

[rigid compass]

OLD WAR

[fast dew]

We. Slept for the second half

[celest needle]

Imagine it was like one week lol

[fast dew]

Which is probably the longer part

[leaden portal]

how many tenno are active in the origin system? like, the conceit of the solo quests (Heart of Deimos, Natah, Second Dream, War Within, New War, etc) is that my tenno is the protagonist figure. I'm the one who saved Deimos, I'm the one who witnessed Hunhow's revival, I'm the one who made a creepy handshake deal back on the Zariman, etc.

And the same thing is true of some of the syndicate stuff. Obviously every player who ranks up the Entrati syndicate gets to see the family have a group hug, but for each player, they're the one who caused that.

On the other hand, if there was only one tenno active in the origin system, the existence of all the infrastructure on the relays would be pretty weird, right? not to mention the existence of clan dojos, or conclave.

is it perhaps just that all the other player tenno are around but i'm the one who keeps wandering into these weird situations?

[rigid compass]

Props to ballas conquering the system that quickly

[leaden portal]

he had cheat codes

[rigid compass]

Easily a few thousand

[fast dew]

Last one pretty much

[strange plinth]

a few hundred to a few thousand, depending on your source, other tenno are active
but yes, you are the protagonist

[rigid compass]

500 million registerd losers

[turbid kestrel]

Not every Tenno is the same age, I’m just using logic, because not every person is the same genetically and mentally

[rigid compass]

Hundred is too low

[fast dew]

Depending on the source

[turbid kestrel]

Probably thousands of Tenno on the Zariman

some probably getting Got by feral void infested adults

[pale cedar]

We actually know billions tried getting on the Zariman

[rigid compass]

Dojos are canon so there has to be a few thousand to ten thousand. If we assume clan tiers are canon then tens of thousands cause otherwise all tenno would be in one moon clan

[leaden portal]

my followup question is, what were all the other tenno doing during New War? were they lying low and doing small resistance bits here and there that my Drifter never knew about? or did ballas somehow manage to banish them all just by banishing my Operator?

[rigid compass]

They fodder so we lowkey carried

[turbid kestrel]

Likely

[leaden portal]

likely which?

[rigid compass]

At the start they were fighting murex

[tall echo]

player count =/= amount of tenno

[turbid kestrel]

Or Teshin was leading them as acting commander, given the lotus was MIA

[tall echo]

so was he lmao

[rigid compass]

Insert Excalibur icon over bortus saying 500mil losers

[strange plinth]

roathe r4c3

Drifter: There's like... I don't know, a hundred of them. And one of me, Roathe.
again, depending on source. there's the zariman and fortuna ARGs that point towards a lot more, 50k according to the fortuna arg
gargoyle's cry recognizes 'clans of thousands of members'

[turbid kestrel]

After erra broke his neck and tossed him into the void portal

[leaden portal]

Drifter don't know shit probably

[rigid compass]

ARE WE DEADASS TRUSTING THE GUY WHO SAYS HE DOESNT KNOW

IM CRINE SONION

[tall echo]

why do people keep thinking it was the neck the fingers were nowhere near it

[pale cedar]

Erra is 0-2 on killing Dax

[strange plinth]

you're focusing a lot on the first half and ignoring the second

[midnight ice]

whipped him around and it looked like he snapped the neck with the whiplash

[strange plinth]

Erra does this stupid head crush trick twice and it fails both times
just messes up the helmet

[midnight ice]

i think varzia was just garbage compacted. she belongs there for peddling royal aya

[turbid kestrel]

Roathe is a former exec, don’t trust him and his backwater takes

[rigid compass]

Erra was giving old man teshin a massage to fix his back pain but teshin was moving too much during it and erra accidentally broke his neck

[turbid kestrel]

He probably rambling

[celest needle]

sentient warlord
didn't kill one
got blasted by the tenno
almost killed the other
dies shortly after

[tall echo]

he is not

[pale cedar]

Vice-Regent actually

[midnight ice]

they call him 007
0 dax kills
0 significant things done
7 minutes of screentime before death

[leaden portal]

Erra the chiropractor, got it.

[rigid compass]

Missing being ballas' good boy

[strange plinth]

Vice Regent Grand Carnus actually /s

[turbid kestrel]

Ball ass*

he doesn’t deserve being addressed correctly

[rigid compass]

Correctly would be executor ballas

[celest needle]

Give me liberty

Give me fire

Give me nearly beaten Dax

Or I retire

[midnight ice]

retires

[turbid kestrel]

what. the. balls.

[rigid compass]

Give me liberty give me fire give me rubble or I retire

[turbid kestrel]

You’ve been rambled

[turbid kestrel]

Probably has the sentient version of bone spurs or arthritis, and that’s why it failed twice

[rigid compass]

Erras only relevant feats is creating fodder zombies to give us power ups, surviving 6-7 void beams from tenno, and holding rubble for us to get to lotus

[rigid compass]

hunhow aint feed him in tau

HUNHOW GO FEED UR KIDS

[pale cedar]

Erra had the greatest feat ever

Being an error to society

[turbid kestrel]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

🤣🤣🤣🤣

He’s such a joke

[bitter linden]

He's definitely got a favourite, what do you mean Lotus can hold back wally and Erra can't even kill one dax 💀

[rigid compass]

[turbid kestrel]

Lotus fainted shielding us and holding off Wallace

[celest needle]

He got jumped by the Tenno squad

[turbid kestrel]

concrete is heavier

[bitter linden]

He whimpers seeing a kindergarten class

[turbid kestrel]

Wally is concrete

[rigid compass]

Wallace

[pale cedar]

The shielding she did in New War was useless as Wally just came in spoke his language then left

[rigid compass]

Maybe it stopped the void from sucking us in

Not wally just the void

Like high concentration to low

Vacuums

[scarlet canyon]

wow there’s no eternalism over here

that’s crazy

[pale cedar]

We weren’t anywhere near the portal to get sucked in otherwise it would’ve happened already in the scene

[stiff fable]

Yeah we don't know what Wally would have done without her there

[tall echo]

also making the song from the oririus trailer

[scarlet canyon]

bro said the thing 🔥🔥🔥

[turbid kestrel]

Man’s came in to troll us and left

[rigid compass]

Real lore nerds know in an alternate timeline erra lowkey became our adoptive father after the tyrannical margulis killed our father ballas and natah lowkey sacrifices herself after realizing margulis used her and then erra lowkey sucks the life outta margulis after we break all her mirrors

[fast dew]

Eugh.

[scarlet canyon]

eternalism ig

[rigid compass]

Ts happened btw

Which is why u need to glaze Ballas

[tall echo]

at some point slang becomes unreadable

[celest needle]

Pazuul does strange things when alone

[fast dew]

Lies ballas the abuser would say

[pale cedar]

And I’ll say it 1000 times more in 1000 timelines you’ll never access

[rigid compass]

Agenda not slang

[strange plinth]

nah, they know that none of the alternate universes matter because they're only theoretically accessible

[turbid kestrel]

Eternalism is bullshit, like Pythagorean theorem, “like this shit gonna help me everyday?”

[strange turtle]

It’s not the slang one of the sentences just cuts off

[tall echo]

both

[rigid compass]

Which is exactly why we need a spinoff where hunhow carries stalker to his somatic pods after he lowkirks beats the operator in a beam clash and lotus is under 2000 miles of water

[pale cedar]

In the quest it actually has dialogue that says how useless it is and asks when are we ever even gonna use it

[rigid compass]

Fixed

[turbid kestrel]

Hint: never

school is such a waste

[pale cedar]

It’s used like 4 times in the entire game

[turbid kestrel]

Nowadays it’s just malarkey

[pale cedar]

CE is used way more

[turbid kestrel]

The heck is CE

[tall echo]

barely even once, maybe twice with sirion

[turbid kestrel]

Christ Evolved?

[rigid compass]

"We were supposed to learn about quantum mechanics today" - fodder tenno #2927

[strange plinth]

conceptual embodiment
creating things in the void via emotion

how duviri got made

[turbid kestrel]

casually manifests a big booty Latina wife

[rigid compass]

Drifter has the highest CE output in all of history with the sole exception of albrecht entrati

[pale cedar]

Be careful what you CE

[turbid kestrel]

Why?

[rigid compass]

Casually unmanifests her*

[strange plinth]

Salem: I SEE. So if you looked into the Void with… hmm, let's say ‘hunger'… you might create a prowling half-starved wolf. Or a royal banquet, maybe. Or a loaf of bread with wolf's teeth gnashing in it.
r4c5

[turbid kestrel]

casually unalives you

[rigid compass]

Casually casuallys*

[turbid kestrel]

What

[rigid compass]

Casuals on u*

[turbid kestrel]

manifests space nuke

Checkmate

[rigid compass]

Doesnt go off though

[pale cedar]

You may CE a nuke but the nuke just nukes you

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mamer-chmief-master-chief-master-chief-bounce-master-chief-silly-gif-10726840153572790064

[turbid kestrel]

This CE I’m familiar with

“Look out the window.” - cephalon something idk

[loud oriole]

the good ol genie logic

[turbid kestrel]

Nobody looking out there if they value their retinas

[rigid compass]

Shut the hell up ur parents tryna kill us - chad operator

[pale cedar]

Drifter manifested their bedroom which if anything probably just made them more sad

[turbid kestrel]

lol

No furniture??

[strange plinth]

Drifter: On Duviri, I kept accidentally summoning my childhood bedroom because I wanted somewhere to hide.
arthur r3c6

[rigid compass]

I would just manifest manifesting and kill it so nothing manifests anymore duh

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[signal fog]

LMAOOO that's fair. /lh

[pale cedar]

I wonder if while in the Void I want to CE the Void would the Void just give me a Void Pocket or something?

[turbid kestrel]

Could use conceptual embodiment to unorphan ourselves

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-meme-big-brain-big-brain-meme-big-brain-time-gif-2441110471562975014

[pale cedar]

You’d probably just create parents that want to kill you

Oh wait that already happened

[strange plinth]

a. we've been adopted by multiple mothers
b. again, genie logic. you might get what you want, you probably won't

[turbid kestrel]

History repeats itself

[rigid compass]

CE CE and destroy it to stop CEing

[turbid kestrel]

You dropped your pocket

[pale cedar]

What if I CE myself as the one who gives out CE wishes so they’re always safe when I want them to be

[rigid compass]

Lemme just CE a finger for wally and then CE a wall so he cant come out

[strange plinth]

congrats, you're now the genie

[pale cedar]

I’ve won Warframe

[turbid kestrel]

CE the Operator a GF

[rigid compass]

Now CE me

[turbid kestrel]

Ill CE You stage 4 cancer

[rigid compass]

Ill use reverse CE to undo the embodiment

[pale cedar]

But you’re already a concept called a worm so what’s there to embody?

[turbid kestrel]

The dirt

Pecking Order

“Enjoy the climb back up b*” - popo DBZ Abridged

[rigid compass]

AT THIS POINT... CONCEPTUALIZING IS UNCESSARY
EMBODIMENT EXPANSION!

[turbid kestrel]

Domain expansion, Chamber of the Lotus

[pale cedar]

Are you trying to stop being a worm?

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-stand-ready-for-my-arrival-stand-ready-for-my-arrival-worm-invincible-viltrumite-gif-6245258362361743117

I counter your bland mainstream reference with my own

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-unpog-gif-8033619785015707160

[turbid kestrel]

.

[tall echo]

.

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1122367964558135337/1246910313677455380/9C55A5E1-3879-4537-AA6A-F414B4DC7AAD.gif

[bitter linden]

.?

[turbid kestrel]

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ears-ears-pop-cat-ears-fwog-will-be-so-mad-gif-8877093624933852634

[turbid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/multiverso-multiverso-akela-multiverso-scout-gif-8208802467565299466

[tall echo]

where did hornet get hair from
and ears

[bitter linden]

soup store

[turbid kestrel]

🤣

[fast dew]

Why are you buying clothes at the soup store

[tall echo]

I can't post the meme bc this server no like memes...

[fast dew]

-# Hehe

[rigid compass]

Embodiment Expansion: Adaptive Arsenal
My domain applies omni forma to all my equipments mod slots allowing me to change their builds to any possible combination needed. It also allows me to change the type and buff of each archon shard I have. And i made a eternalist vow to make it prevent any damage on me while I change my build in exchange for only being able to use the frame that I cast the domain with.

[fast dew]

Oh they deadass do that in the anime? They explain their powers?

Thats

Kinda bad

[tall echo]

makes all your mods umbra polarity

[turbid kestrel]

lol

[fast dew]

Why actively ruin any form of nuance

[tall echo]

the joke is that omni forma doesn't work with umbral

[fast dew]

Nuance? Mm

What's the word.

[strange turtle]

Is that intentional or did they just forget

[tall echo]

because it's generically mainstream asf

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279530543368769618/1395534814123397140/IMG_9626.gif

Cat gifs!!!

[bitter linden]

It sounds like taking the best part of stand fights out of them :/

[fast dew]

Get it get it

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-robinsons-disney-wilbur-robinson-that-is-an-excellent-question-gif-16014909

[fast dew]

Exactly!

Like lemme have suspenseful animes please god

[tall echo]

no everything has to be full of "hype moments" now

[turbid kestrel]

Internal monologue - fibbonachi

[fast dew]

Tbf almost all the animes i watched ive read it first so I. Dont exactly get. Suspense

[strange plinth]

it just needs to look and sound cool who cares about anything else

[tall echo]

modern audiences don't like having to wait

[fast dew]

Is that why more people complain about one piece

[tall echo]

or watching anything with above mediocre quality

[rigid compass]

Eximus units casting falling blossom overguard before taking on a special grade void user to negate their void techniques

[fast dew]

Which is why I prefer manga

• i like reading

The art is often better anyways

[tall echo]

I just watch slice of life instead

[fast dew]

Shout out Tokyo ghoul for getting maimed by the anime what the hell was that

[turbid kestrel]

I wonder if Conceptual embodiment can be abused

[rigid compass]

Does it have music?

[strange plinth]

that's what wally does every other time he acts

[fast dew]

You.

need music to enjoy art?

Man idk i put my earphones in and listen to like. The silksong soundtrack

[tall echo]

it can't be controlled soooo

[strange plinth]

that's what isleweaver is
bad fanfic that he's trying to overwrite regular duviri with

[fast dew]

And failing

[rigid compass]

I mean it depends like sometimes the animes are straight up better

Aot for example

[tall echo]

isn't the aot anime infamous for just getting extended indefinitely with rapidly declining quality

[fast dew]

Eh, I stand by manga being better
Doesnt cut out half the stuff required for budgetary reasons

And idk man ive never once seen an anime actually capture the artstyle in the manga

[rigid compass]

The quality was only bad with season 3's cgi for the colossal titan

[tall echo]

way of the househusband

[fast dew]

Tokyo ghoul:

Like. Its. Bad

MHA is alright with it actually

[tall echo]

the creator insisted that an adaptation remains as close to the manga as possible

[rigid compass]

For mha?

[tall echo]

no I
I was giving a positive example

[fast dew]

Oh

[tall echo]

bloody hell

[fast dew]

Dude you need to preface that stuff sometimes

[rigid compass]

Slideshow though?

[rigid compass]

😭

[tall echo]

it seemed obvious enough in context with the message I was replying to

[rigid compass]

The only issues I think the aot anime has is that Mikasa gets censored, s3 col cgi is bad, and I think thats about it

[strange plinth]

could've been either based on context

[turbid kestrel]

Ballas helminthed Jade and sorren because he was bored

[tall echo]

ok with my lack of knowledge that first point sounds like a gooner issue

[rigid compass]

When we lowkey off topic so I summon alyxis like mahoraga to get back to spreading warframe agenda

[pale cedar]

Because they broke the rules

[fast dew]

When you name an unknown anime, i assume the worst

[turbid kestrel]

They loved each other though, what’s wrong with that?

[strange plinth]

don't need to summon alyxis when you're part of the off-topic
just go back to on-topic

[fast dew]

Thats exactly it

[tall echo]

reverse the assumption when it's me

[rigid compass]

No not gooner issue, Japan issue with tattoos. Basically she has a scar from her dying mom that indicates she's Asian royalty but first 3 seasons censor it cause Japan says no

[fast dew]

You were also off topic

You would've gotten sniped too

[tall echo]

ic, F

[rigid compass]

I did say we

[rigid compass]

Said we sonion

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean

[strange plinth]

status
they were likely of different social ranks, so their relationship was against the legems
or at least, having a child definitely was

[tall echo]

it's against the orokin rules

[fast dew]

Why would you willingly shoot yourself in the foot lmao

Didnt think you'd do something that dumb

[rigid compass]

Anything to bring u down thomas

[radiant pier]

why the HELL are you awake

[turbid kestrel]

Didn’t know bedroom deeds were a crime

[strange plinth]

who is this about lmao

[fast dew]

My bad

[pale cedar]

The Orokin want loyal servants

If you have a child your loyalties might be in multiple places rather than in one

[turbid kestrel]

Didn’t know feelings were a crime

[fast dew]

My braces and IUD are keeping me up

[tall echo]

he asked "shoot-in-foot" johnson

[rigid compass]

I think low guardians are basically just like monks, no women or kids wtv

[strange plinth]

for anyone below the orokin, they were

[celest needle]

Just give them the industrial drill treatment

[fast dew]

Nup, its specifically a caste thing, even Albrecht and Loid are affected

[rigid compass]

Meh ig

[turbid kestrel]

YET ballas decided “I made the rules therefore I don’t have to follow them.”

[rigid compass]

Havent read too much of that

[fast dew]

Wh

Its directly stated to be against the legems

[strange plinth]

well, yeah
the orokin made the rules and could ignore them without huge consequence
although ballas's case was slightly different

[rigid compass]

Archimedian is like the highest rank a person can get outside of being orokin

[radiant pier]

great and now this guy is here too

[radiant pier]

go to bed

[fast dew]

Thank you for your unfiltered opinion

[radiant pier]

it's 5am

[twin wigeon]

Honk

[fast dew]

I appreciate you

[fast dew]

Can't, hurts too bad

Forgot pain meds

Ran out a few days ago

[tall echo]

you need nanomachines

[radiant pier]

the extreme twitter poser that no one finds fun to talk to and you're surprised I got no patience for em are you serious

[rigid compass]

Son?

[tall echo]

they harden in response to physical trauma

[turbid kestrel]

the OTC pain meds eyeballing you

[fast dew]

Not exactly physical trauma causing this

[rigid compass]

Im making the mother of all omlettes can fret over every egg

[fast dew]

Its 5am and my ass is poor i aint getting them till the week after next

[turbid kestrel]

Nanomachines

[fast dew]

Would they even do anything for musculature pain

[tall echo]

y es

[strange plinth]

"Their relationship **was **against the Legems, true. But in a society obsessed with hierarchies, it was hardly possible **not **to transgress some rule or another with every step one took."
grandmother, about loid n albrecht

[tall echo]

that is physical trauma

[fast dew]

What if. Nothing happened to have caused it outside walking

[tall echo]

unless your musculature is giving you depression it'S physical trauma

[turbid kestrel]

I say we let the indifference have alberect

[fast dew]

I say we don't kill our timeline by doing that

[tall echo]

no let me shoot him

[turbid kestrel]

Why?

clearly Wally wants his finger back

[fast dew]

Albrecht knows where the finger is.

The one wally is looking for.

The one stopping wally from doing that to us

[tall echo]

yes
wally is not our friend

[fast dew]

Wally is. A bad person

Like genuinely evil

[tall echo]

we do not want wally to be happy

[fast dew]

Wally is. A predator

[turbid kestrel]

He pulled up and made caveman noises

[fast dew]

Do not enable the predator

[pale cedar]

He’s so evil even DE call him evil

[ocean geyser]

Thinking of that one Neci drawing where she projects her period cramps onto him
Funny

[turbid kestrel]

Send albrecht topside

[fast dew]

Me @ albrecht rn

[ocean geyser]

Lmao??

[celest needle]

What would the Grineer gain from a downed orbiter?

Do they even know how to operate that stuff?

[ocean geyser]

Uhh
Depends on what the Tenno that owned it had inside

[pale cedar]

An out of operation Tenno

[turbid kestrel]

Helms strain

[fast dew]

Warframes for the queens

[ocean geyser]

They could theoretically figure out how to use a Mod Segment

[ocean geyser]

I was boutta say they wouldn’t know how
Then I remembered Ascaris exists

[turbid kestrel]

If not umbra on the orbiter, then the Wall mouth living on our orbiter rent free

IT. MUST. FEED…

[fast dew]

There is the chance helminth would refuse to work for them

[ocean geyser]

Umbra would pack them up if they found our orbiter

[turbid kestrel]

It would eat them

[ocean geyser]

Unless he gets buried in debris or something

[turbid kestrel]

Om nom nom

[strange plinth]

assuming he didn't get annihilated by some random yea

[ocean geyser]

I wonder if the Helminth would eat the entire ship to prevent them from using it

[turbid kestrel]

It can’t

[ocean geyser]

Damn

[turbid kestrel]

It’s literally inside the ship

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah

[rigid compass]

Hes just misunderstood

[turbid kestrel]

That’s like trying to eat your house

[strange plinth]

i'm pretty sure it'd be able to if it decided to

[pale cedar]

Doesn’t mean it is trapped in it’s spot

[ocean geyser]

It doesn’t necessarily have to use its mouth to subsume it either

Just
Spread

Mmm infested orbiter skin…

[turbid kestrel]

The mouth is fixed to the wall, no legs

[ocean geyser]

Me when the infestation can grow

[strange plinth]

its infested
the only reason it hasn't eaten the ship already is that its tame

[ocean geyser]

Yeah it’s just a chill guy

[pale cedar]

It’s not a human it doesn’t need legs

[strange plinth]

what's that deimos enemy called that's just the helminth mouth floating around

[ocean geyser]

Grineer trying to salvage the ship would give it ample reason to
Not be a chill guy

[turbid kestrel]

It’s like the little shops of horrors plant, until it ain’t, whenever that is.

[ocean geyser]

The flying one?

That spawns stuff?

I think that’s a Genetrix

[turbid kestrel]

How to hide from corpus;
Shade sentinel

[dire mountain]

Swazdo-lah

[strange plinth]

yup, genetrix

[dire mountain]

Why is it pogging

[strange plinth]

i am. disappointed with the final result, now having seen the concept art

[turbid kestrel]

I hate those things they have too much health

[ocean geyser]

Laughs in armour strip

[turbid kestrel]

I need to amplify my amp

[ocean geyser]

Or just pop into mech

[strange plinth]

this would've been incredibly funny i think

[turbid kestrel]

My struggle was prior to that

[dire mountain]

Mini plague star

[ocean geyser]

That’s just a field boss 😭

[turbid kestrel]

Wally’s missing ball

[ocean geyser]

Now that i think about it
Deimos doesn’t really have any of those

[strange plinth]

no it does not

[ocean geyser]

No big bossfight
No smaller bossfight
Just a bunch of strong regular enemies

[dire mountain]

What would a deimos boss fight be other than the wyrms

"Go invade the kidney or something tenno"

[ocean geyser]

I mean there’s the Deimos Jugulis Rex

[turbid kestrel]

The kidney

[strange plinth]

infested oni but bigger
scuttling along the walls of some cavern
maybe steal some orowyrm mechanics

[rigid compass]

We need like vome and fass kids. A huge chunk of them becomes a smaller infested and we have to kill it.

[dire mountain]

JORDAS VERDICT 2

"Go inside the big infested guy and destabilize it"

[turbid kestrel]

No, no warframe equivalent of Minecraft’s slime mob

[ocean geyser]

We should be allowed to fight Fass
Specifically Fass because he’s a bozo

[turbid kestrel]

No

[rigid compass]

Vome is a bum

[turbid kestrel]

No
No
No
No
No

NO

[rigid compass]

Yuh

YUH

[strange plinth]

you're right, vome's better

[turbid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-lego-batman-movie-no-batman-gif-7647783

[rigid compass]

where my vome haters at?

Fass on top

[tall echo]

edgelord

[rigid compass]

Vome is a bum
Also fass hawk tuahs her so 👀

[tall echo]

...same other way around.

[rigid compass]

Thats a beam son

[tall echo]

they
both shoot beams

[dusk temple]

Y'all fightin over Fass and Vome and ignoring Zealoid Prelate?

[strange plinth]

zealoid prelate is only an honorary member of deimos

[tall echo]

dishonorary

[dire mountain]

Zealoid prelate is a poser

[strange plinth]

i'll accept lephantis into deimos before i will zealoid

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-mulan-dishonor-on-you-dishonor-on-your-cow-gif-15086496

[dusk temple]

At least Zealoid Prelate has more lore than the two big Deimos worms

[pale cedar]

They actually have about the same amount of lore

[dusk temple]

Crazy.

[tall echo]

zealoid's lore means it should be an eris boss

[strange plinth]

eris should be the boss version of venus and warframes /s

[pale cedar]

Does Eris even have an Assasinatiom mission?

[stiff fable]

Two

[strange plinth]

jordas golem and mutalist alad v, i believe

[turbid kestrel]

Salad V

[stiff fable]

Just not on the progression line, they're separate nodes like Dagath's Abyssal Zone

[strange plinth]

and mutalist alad v needs keys iirc

[dusk temple]

He does

[rocky matrix]

Why stalker hates warframes

[fleet furnace]

because he serves the orokin, whom we killed

[tall echo]

he doesn't

[dusk temple]

And some other extenuiating circumstances

[strange plinth]

When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent.
stalker codex entry

[tall echo]

he hates tenno

[stiff fable]

He hates both tbh

[turbid kestrel]

But the Tenno are also Human

So the stalker some kind of discriminator

[stiff fable]

I mean, so are the Orokin

We hate all of them, and murdered every last one we could get our hands on

and we'd do it again

That's how Stalker feels about you

[turbid kestrel]

They said we would have flying cars in the future, instead we got space racism, and space genocide

[stiff fable]

It's very realistic isn't it

[strange plinth]

-# technically it was classicide

[fast dew]

To be totally honest, there was genocide too, just

Not at the orokin

[strange plinth]

xata

[magic storm]

Regicide?

[turbid kestrel]

xenoflora

[strange plinth]

that too

[turbid kestrel]

Ballas is like Jeffery, a sicko

[pale cedar]

Nah because regicide is targeting leaders

We killed 99% of the entire class even if they weren’t a leader of the class

[turbid kestrel]

Except for Margulis

[strange plinth]

kullervo attempted regicide n got tossed into the void for it

[turbid kestrel]

We burned her eyes out involuntarily

[dusk temple]

Margulis wasn't Orokin

[turbid kestrel]

Didn’t mean to annihilate her retinas

[twin wigeon]

WE didn’t but another unnamed Tenno

[strange plinth]

dead long before the naga drums

[strange plinth]

top contenders are us or rell
chains implies rell, isleweaver implies us

[tall echo]

they were the ruling class, largely

[turbid kestrel]

“RAP TAP TAP.”

[dusk temple]

Margulis got hit with the Jade Light because she didn't requite Ballas' love

[turbid kestrel]

“YOU’LL LET ME IN LITTLE PIGGY!!!”

[twin wigeon]

Uhhhh not quite

[strange plinth]

more because she was willing to defend the tenno

[dusk temple]

There were some other things but thats all I know

[turbid kestrel]

Do we know what the Jade Light is?

[strange plinth]

an execution method
no, not really

[pale cedar]

Ruling class but not all were the rulers thus it’s not complete regicide and fits much more as Classicide

[vagrant zephyr]

its light that's jade

[twin wigeon]

Could just be a special type of energy but the jade light existed before jade iirc

[turbid kestrel]

It’s light that’s inside Jade

Winky face

[strange turtle]

It did yeah

[pale cedar]

It’s the Orokins “good” punishment

[twin wigeon]

She just mass produces it if the jade light wasn’t already plentiful

[woven coyote]

Jade light was used on the archmedean that went in the hall before perintol, who created the sentients, so its a pretty safe bet imo

[turbid kestrel]

Ah yes, floating ball of light that kills

[fast dew]

Jade was engineered to use it, she's not the creator of it

[strange plinth]

-# archimedean*

[pale cedar]

It’s better than getting Glassed

[stiff fable]

As far as we're aware the Jade Light is some kind of molecular accelerator

[woven coyote]

Oops yeah thanks

Am sleepy can you tell?

[twin wigeon]

I assume that since it’s reserved for special executions it’s rare but Ballas likely designed Jade to mass produce it

[turbid kestrel]

It’s exactly that on a much, much, much smaller scale

[fast dew]

Jade light was the standard for executions iirc

Quick, easy, nonmessy

[stiff fable]

You know how everything has a vibrational frequency? The Jade Light speeds that up to make your body rip itself apart

[stiff fable]

Well, no, very messy actually

[fast dew]

Pretty humane actually, for an execution

Dust

[twin wigeon]

Since every time after her warframing she would be summoned to unleash jade light, bearing witness to the disintegration iirc

[fast dew]

It. Turns you to dust

[tall echo]

mist and gore

[stiff fable]

Fine red mist and all that, just no organs or meat left

[fast dew]

WHAT

Oh god dammit

[tall echo]

no there are some bits left

[turbid kestrel]

Nothing painless about being turned into a campfire

[twin wigeon]

It’s a poof beam

[fast dew]

I need to sleep

[fast dew]

Not if you can't perceive you are being hurt

[pale cedar]

Jade light was still considered the preferred punishment over getting Glassed

[turbid kestrel]

That’s only if you’re the kind of schmuck that doesn’t have a functioning nervous system

[twin wigeon]

The jade light was probably hovering above their head so their brain would disintegrate before the rest of them

[pale cedar]

Doesn’t Roathe talk about this?

[twin wigeon]

He does

[fast dew]

Nah, an instantaneous death means you don't realise you are being hurt

[turbid kestrel]

Nerves = feeling = Pain

[strange plinth]

Roathe: The Jade Light is quick to those without the armor or shields to survive a single blast. It is a merciful death.
r2c5

[tall echo]

preferred by the victims

[fast dew]

Preferred by the orokin too

[strange turtle]

I wonder if they kept the data of that project around and Parvos stole it, pr some other Corpus guy salvaged it after the collapse, since the whole Crewmen eugenics thing in the codex

[fast dew]

Torture doesn't aim to kill

[turbid kestrel]

And it did kill

[woven coyote]

Orokin didnt like glassing because glassing messes with memory and memory was the only thing precious to orokin according to roathe

[turbid kestrel]

Killed margulis didn’t it

[strange plinth]

Roathe: Betrayals between one Orokin and another were quite common. But to betray the whole of the Empire? That manner of treason was worthy of not only execution by Jade Light, but the Cephalon Program.
also r2c5

[twin wigeon]

Glassing is a perversion of all that the orokin held sacred, memories. Since with glassing, memories and your very being can be overwritten

[stiff fable]

Mind you they still used it happily

[turbid kestrel]

Oh I thought the glassing you meant was orbital nuke

Via beam of energy

[strange plinth]

Roathe: Memories are sacred to the Orokin, Drifter. They are all we are, in the end. Our bodies are temporary. Our faces, our voices, our blood, all mutable. All can be changed like fashion.
i'll let you guess which convo this one comes from /s

[twin wigeon]

Oh yes they used it for archimedians I assume

[woven coyote]

Bet that while the archimedean was being judged parvos was pillaging their office

[twin wigeon]

To preserve their memories and knowledge

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[pale cedar]

Jade Light is the beam

Glassing is becoming a Cephalon

[stiff fable]

Haha that too.

But when we talk about glassing in Warframe we mean the stuff that Gara does

[strange turtle]

Suda and Simaris were Archimedeans

[stiff fable]

Encase/convert the target to glass

[strange turtle]

Zariman woman was probably one too

[twin wigeon]

Nihil*

[woven coyote]

Looks at suda, didnt work that well huh

[twin wigeon]

melica?

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

Gara does it based on Nihil, yes

[twin wigeon]

Or ordis

[turbid kestrel]

Suda just loves music is all

[pale cedar]

Where’s it said Simaris was an Archimedean?

[stiff fable]

In retrospect it seems it worked fine, Hunhow was just hacking into her

[dusk temple]

Ordis personally purges his memory iirc

[woven coyote]

Ordis was intentional in destroying his own memory
Melica and otak were damaged

Suda is the only one we know of glassed to preserve knowledge and that clearly didnt work well

[stiff fable]

Suda calls Simaris "Irmis" at one point

[woven coyote]

Yeee

[strange turtle]

It was a way to preserve useful enough Archimedeans that had conditiond even the Orokin couldn’t cure (or wouldn’t give to even a caste as high as them), and probably also to allow them to serve beyond their death in general

[strange plinth]

iirc we know nothing regarding who simaris used to be
suda calls him "irmis" once, but that's not a guarantee that is who he used to be, especially given the circumstances of that quest

[stiff fable]

Which matches the pattern of a Cephalon's name being derived from the original person

I would say it's suggestive but that's all

[pale cedar]

But Irmis is a name not a title unless there’s somewhere else that says Archimedean Irmis

[woven coyote]

True

[pine thistle]

When you think about it

Was roathe really bad for betraying his kind

Or did he just recognize the system he was in was going to fall

[strange plinth]

yes to both

[turbid kestrel]

Ball ass changed the codes

[dusk temple]

I haven't finished all of his lore yet, but didn't he do a bunch of stuff at the bidding of Executor Nitohk?

[woven coyote]

Reminder roathe also admits he may not have let go of power once he acquired it

[pine thistle]

Orokin kinda remind me of the Valyrians

[stiff fable]

Good comparison

[strange plinth]

his motives at the time were to replace them with himself, which would've been just as susceptible to that corruption that ruined the previous emperors/executors

[stiff fable]

You can recognize that a system is corrupt and in need of change, decide to change it, and still be in the wrong as well as part of the system

[pine thistle]

Though I would say at least the latter kept a semblance of their old power through House Targaryen & their dragons

The Orokin weren’t even that lucky, they just got slaughtered wholesale

[strange turtle]

There’s a couple of old Corpus things saying that they claim like, inheritance/lineage from the Orokin or something? Assuming those are still canon then we have two shitty versions of that

since the Corpus just have some tech and knowledge and the Grineer Queens don’t actually parade it around but do lots of Kuva stuff and were actual Orokin

[dusk temple]

Queen now. We blasted one of them into the afterlife.

[woven coyote]

Shhh the grineer dont know

[dusk temple]

What is Drusus Leverian? Is he a Cephalon or something else?

[celest needle]

He's a cephalon

[dusk temple]

He looks a lot different from other cephalons.

[strange plinth]

he's just circles instead of some other geometric shape

[magic storm]

I think each cephalon gets different shapes. Ordis is a cube of cubes, Simaris, Suda, even the school cephalon from the Zariman.

[dusk temple]

He looks a bit like a face though. Did he somehow retain a outline of his human appearance when he was glassed?

[fast dew]

Mm

No drusus is a bit different

[strange plinth]

possibly, though he might just be arranging them like that

[fast dew]

His body is

Shelved

As in. He can buy it back shelved

[dusk temple]

So you're saying Drusus is a drama queen then?

[magic storm]

Possibly, or the leverian is a datascape, like the onslaught arenas, and that face is a projection.

[fast dew]

Which isnt a particularly known thing for a cephalon, iirc glassing victims were put in tubes

Or. Dont generally have bodies you can

Get shelved

[feral cape]

Thats an interesting theory

[smoky gulch]

On Cephalon bodies: when Parvos suggests during long elevator ride that Ordan can "get body back", what could he have on mind?

[restive river]

Oh
Parvos does in fact know about the kid-

[stiff fable]

I think it's exactly what it implies. Reversing the glassing.

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, I just wonder... from what data, do Cephalons just keep DNA intact?

[restive river]

This line?

Parvos Granum: "Everything changes, little Cephalon, and yet nothing is forever lost. You could be a man again, if you had the will. Consider my offer."
Ordis: "Ordis is— INTERESTED— trying to do his job, Granum. Leave Ordis in peace."

[restive river]

They’re in the weave

[smoky gulch]

Obviously I'm too focused on details for WF, but glassing seems like wild thing to reverse

[restive river]

I think the actual problem here is where Ordan’s body is

[stiff fable]

It could be even simpler than Parvos is implying

Rather than undo the glassing, maybe they simply create a new body for him

[restive river]

Yeah I don’t think they can undo it

[stiff fable]

Or find a "donor"

Or many donors

[restive river]

But making a new body is absolutely possible

[stiff fable]

Plenty of Solaris body parts floating around

[restive river]

Could be Parvos has Ordan’s DNA

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, I'm fascinated by idea - implant a Cephalon into an organic body

[restive river]

I’ve been wanting Ordis in a body for years so he could fight alongside us

[stiff fable]

The absolutely most mucked up idea?

The Wolf has been amalgamed

That does give Salad some level of control

That might be Parvos's offer

[smoky gulch]

Oh, that would be vile

[restive river]

Fyi this doesn’t sound like reversing the process
Just
Giving him a body

[restive river]

I mean I would not be shocked at all if Parvos offered a cephalon a body and then secretly hid a way to control them lol

[stiff fable]

Yyyyyyyup

Drussus might not want his body back >.>

[restive river]

Also
I’m unsure of the psychological repercussions of hypothetically giving a cephalon a meat body again
Especially if everything is intact
Assuming you can even reverse cephalization, let alone glassing

[stiff fable]

Counterpoint: do you think Parvos cares

All Corpus robotics have hard programmed locks to prevent their growth and development from progressing too far

[restive river]

What happens to the precepts? To their mind?
Would the process be somehow replicating the cephalon’s mind and uploading it to a human body?

[stiff fable]

I actually wonder if it could look like Jordas

[restive river]

I’m more so speculating, ik he don’t care lol

[stiff fable]

haha

[restive river]

Jordas
Man

[stiff fable]

Yeah that's the most messed up thing in the game right now

Which is saying a lot I realize

[restive river]

Cephalons are basically just code, code copy pasted from the brain (probably)
The infestation eat and subsume code
Nobody is safe

I wonder of the infestation treats a coded mind like a regular mind
Idr Jordas’ fate exactly other than the infestation was speaking through him and he was physical

[stiff fable]

Actually here's a wild thought, could giving Otak a human body start some kind of recovery process? He wouldn't become Archimedean Otak ever again, but he might be able to bypass some of the lost sections of his Cephalon mind

[restive river]

Depends on how lost they are tbh

[stiff fable]

Like "remembering how to say 'thank you' "

[celest needle]

How does Ordis know about 1999?

[stiff fable]

No I mean that's gone, but with a human brain he might be able to re-learn it

[stiff fable]

Operator and Drifter talk about it

Plus there's an infested POM-II on the orbiter now

[celest needle]

Does he know about Roathe?

[stiff fable]

hmmm presumably

[stiff fable]

Specifically, Ordis handles the inbox and Roathe has sent a few inbox messages

[pine thistle]

Roathe is a guy who uh

He’s not a good guy, he did a lot of bad things

But he isn’t a bad person either, not anymore I think

[strange plinth]

in theory

[restive river]

Eh, no he’s still p bad

[pine thistle]

I would say he’s rather grey

[restive river]

I wouldn’t

[pale cedar]

After the redemption he goes right back to being Orokin meaning the redemption wasn’t really redemption

[fast dew]

Eh.

[pine thistle]

What do you mean “being Orokin”

[fast dew]

He says a slur.

[pale cedar]

When you redeem him he continues doing everything he was doing before you do

[fast dew]

Actually I'd like someone to point out any time he has actually shown he has changed

[stiff fable]

I think the problem is that the end of his KIM is his realization that he can change and wants to

But the game treats it like he's had a whole redemption arc

[fast dew]

Theres. The totally valid ending of him wanting to get worse though

As much as I hate it

[stray wasp]

Can someone explain the significance of the black and white circle after the war within quest? Mine turned completely black.

[fast dew]

I am forced to admit that it exists, as much as I hate it.

[restive river]

I’m thinking that since Cephalons are essentially digital editable copies of human minds that if you were to port one to a human body it’d likely be easier to drag and drop rather than replicate the mind back into meat
Copying into code is one thing
Copying the code from the meat back into meat is something I would assume to be a lot harder

[pale cedar]

Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready.

[dire mountain]

Cool water flows
The moon behind a cloud
To a receptive mind
All things come in time

[restive river]

It has no effect on gameplay, more a flavor thing for how you make decisions

[fast dew]

Mm, didn't Nora get glassed

[pine thistle]

He definitely isn’t a good person by any means but after having to deal with the likes of Ballas and his confederates, the Grineer Queens, Corpus Directors, hearing of Nitokh, and then also whatever else, I feel like my tolerance for what I consider a truly bad person has gotten higher

[narrow pendant]

was reverseable

[fast dew]

Okay so your opinion on Albrecht, even despite what he has done?

Because. You'll discover that. There's quite a few people do not think the same of him

[pine thistle]

He’s also grey

[restive river]

She was like
In the process
And didn’t go fully
And her body was clearly intact

[stray wasp]

I see

[pine thistle]

I think he’s like me in a way

[fast dew]

See I feel schizo now that everyone ive asked recently says this

[narrow pendant]

albrecht is grey but written in a way that still makes you root for him in a way

[pine thistle]

He wants what he believes is the greater good, but his methods to achieve that are… less than ideal.

[restive river]

Ordis or Otak are clearly a different case

[fast dew]

Because the opposite HAS happened in the past

[restive river]

It can be high and you can still acknowledge he’s a bad person
Even if he’s a lesser evil by comparison he’s still an evil lol

[strange plinth]

we got a segment of this during new war, right?
would be cool to have the rest voiced

[dire mountain]

He's very "the ends justify the means" from everything we've seen outside a few bits with the triad

[restive river]

When he’s fighting the veil

[pine thistle]

Exactly

[restive river]

The litany might be a grounding technique for Teshin

[fast dew]

Eh, id say its. Not even believing it is, i fully think obliterating wally is for the greater good, which seems to be where his plan with wally is going

[restive river]

Assuming you can do that

[pine thistle]

We don’t know if the Indifference can even be gotten rid of

[strange plinth]

definitely seemed like he was using it as one, yeah

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean sure but even an attempt is for the greater good

[restive river]

I mean
Potential problem with killing him: where our piece go?

[fast dew]

Idk why folk always say believes to or thinks so when it absolutely is 😭

[pine thistle]

There’s a lot of problems with that. Void travel might be cooked, the Solar Rails, our own power

[restive river]

Ok but if the attempt includes nuking a civilization??

[pine thistle]

Might just be best for him to be contained somewhere

[stiff fable]

Every play Gen V Pokemon? It's basically Truth vs. Ideals.

White is truth (even if personal and/or actually wrong)
Black is ideals (even if personal and/or actually wrong)

[fast dew]

I do partially think its why he's headed to tau, as horrible as it is

[strange plinth]

scp that guy /s

[pale cedar]

He is contained somewhere

[restive river]

I believe void travel would be fine, the rails specifically
But the railjack’s FTL system would def be cooked and we’d lose our powers

[fast dew]

Wouldn't be shocked if he does think that the sentients are. Drones who do not feel pain therefore can be sacrificed

[pine thistle]

He would be Keter class

[fast dew]

Ehhh

No I. Dont think he would count as it