lore-discussion

[radiant pier]

her

[fast dew]

-# im not sure we're allowed to tell you that

[restive river]

Nah what you mean lore reasons

[worn cypress]

Yep the other one looks and Act like thrax lol

[worn cypress]

Why

[smoky gulch]

Dang, so it's wiki guys only thing

[fast dew]

No not even that

[restive river]

At least Thrax has an excuse LOL
She was just an Orokin

[fast dew]

Just. A banned topic

[smoky gulch]

Right

[fast dew]

Or..not something we should talk about

[pale cedar]

Datamining

[worn cypress]

Somone ?

[restive river]

Yes

[smoky gulch]

Honestly kinda funny how game benefits from "datamining" to fill out wiki

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean that's pretty obvious but. I am pretty sure they meant how as in. How they can do it

[restive river]

Parvos was in the void for ??? Years

[worn cypress]

How did he not die 🗿

[smoky gulch]

Yet it's forbidden 😆

[fast dew]

You have no idea how little there is in other wikis.

[restive river]

Bro was in his own pocket void
And iirc Protea’s sacrifice

[smoky gulch]

I know, especially since I fill in a few wikis

[daring tusk]

Is drifter just squatting in the operator's timeline

[pale cedar]

Yes

[smoky gulch]

And slicing open game is usually the way to go to know

[restive river]

They chillin

[worn cypress]

Is there a video or something about the lore behind protea/that place she is in and parvos ? Ik nothing about it

[fast dew]

True!

[pale cedar]

Not like Drifter can go back

[fast dew]

Can you do it for the doom wiki that shit is dead/j

[humble sierra]

It's pretty straightforward, it's a small pocket in the Void

[fast dew]

Yk i don't think we've had a particularly reoccurring bad person in the lorechats recently

[restive river]

Play the quest
I would stay away from loretubers as they often embellish things or add in their theories
Maybe just watch a video of the quest if you can’t play it

[worn cypress]

And void doednt get affected by time ?

[restive river]

It lacks time and space

[worn cypress]

If mean the xoris one I wasn't focused on it

[restive river]

That’s why Xaku’s 4 is called the vast untime!
Thats a reference to the void!

[fast dew]

Untime door...

[daring tusk]

Ballas is just a misunderstood character he's actually relatable

[restive river]

Yeah that’s why i said to watch someone play it

[fast dew]

Icr if it was Albrecht or his daughter who said that

[pale cedar]

Warframe wiki still keeps a slight contradiction

[restive river]

Blowing you up with my mind powers

[worn cypress]

I am ready to call the teno on you

[fast dew]

Im ready to

Idk draw

[daring tusk]

Hey you were looking for a bad person i gave you one

[restive river]

@worn cypress Parvos Granum: "I live. Treachery seethed within the heart of the faith I had built. When the Board's assassins overloaded my transport's Void drive, Protea… my beautiful Protea… and her gift for manipulating time… preserved me."

[opaque zenith]

they lost a "n" after the parents' divorce

[restive river]

You mean death?

Or the other death

[pale cedar]

Rich people aren't relatable as you are poor by comparision

[restive river]

Or the technically death but we fixed it kinda

[worn cypress]

🫥

[restive river]

Fun fact
Protea has two dads!

Both evil!

[pale cedar]

I wonder how long it will take for the next person to say “Wally has never done anything bad he's a good guy”

[opaque zenith]

I'm felling like picking alternative stuff, so I'd say the death one

[fast dew]

This has already happened.

Lemme get the comment rq

I find some mfs in my posts sometimes

[restive river]

I wonder how long it will take for someone to say Tau is eternalism lol

[worn cypress]

Wally is better than ball'ass

[restive river]

No he’s like
Just as awful if not worse in his own way

[fast dew]

Wally is a predator and groomer
-# in a non-sexual way
Ballas is. I don't think hes that, just an abuser

[worn cypress]

ehhh

[fast dew]

Wally is. Horrible.

[narrow pendant]

ballas is if youre speaking morally, worse since he did all things maliciously with full awareness and intend while wally is more like a toddler

[opaque zenith]

So, all the talk about Old Peace on launch? (even with the tennocon demo)

[pale cedar]

Literally everything Wally has done is malicious

[restive river]

Wally purposefully manipulates children
He caused our parents to go crazy, forcing us to kill then or watch them die
His murmur, an extension of him is animated by the dust of decayed UNIVERSES

Ballas is bad, the worst
Wally is right beside him if not higher on the awful scale.

[pale cedar]

Wally has also killed children

[worn cypress]

Both are bad but I meant I feel ballas is wors

[restive river]

Oh yeah ofc he’s had more screentime being bad lol

[radiant pier]

you are far more likely to personally hate an abuser than an incomprehensible god-like being

[narrow pendant]

we dont fully understand wally yet so from my perspective its more like, ballas was fully capable of being a better person while wally could potentially be just birthed to be like that

[fast dew]

Good adjustment and

No i think i hate them both

[worn cypress]

What exactly are the miurmor ? Like part of him ? Void entities that he control ??

[fast dew]

Pretty equally

[restive river]

Toddler logic doesn’t work considering his actions
Even a cosmic toddler wouldn’t do this, dude lol

[restive river]

Part of him yes

[radiant pier]

IS THAT THE GODDAMN STALKER

WHAT'S HE DOING HERE

[fast dew]

Okay but he understands the consequences of his actions. That's how he manipulates people

[restive river]

The labs tile with the Wally domain is also him

[pale cedar]

Stalking

[worn cypress]

And how does he sends them ?

[pale cedar]

They are him

[radiant pier]

HE'S MY TEAMMATE?;!

[restive river]

I don’t believe we know exactly how they get in by likely through any cracks

[worn cypress]

If him why doesnt he just come to they universe ?

[radiant pier]

HUH

[restive river]

In theory if we shut down all void hearts we would cut off wally
But
We don’t really know
And there may be multiple
Possibly throughout history

[radiant pier]

aaaand the host leaves

[worn cypress]

What do they do ?

[pale cedar]

Murmur are only there to slow you down

[restive river]

He can’t interact with our timeline directly due to his injury, he needs to send his murmur who clump into a fragmented who tethers down a void rendering of time so he may enter, which he only does though controlling others thus far

[opaque zenith]

Oh right, it's first time doing botb for some.
I'd explain but i wanna hear what's the theory for a first timer

[pale cedar]

Unless you’re a herald

[smoky gulch]

Void hearts are slits through which void slips through

[radiant pier]

he's chill and tryna help is my theory

[smoky gulch]

But no void hearts mean no void-powered tech

[restive river]

Pumps the void into the now
Basically powers voidtech, including our frames and fast travel

[narrow pendant]

you mean void rifts

the "void heart" is called heart of deimos

[restive river]

Yeah that’s the problem and why it’s not an option

[worn cypress]

The fingers u mean ?

[worn cypress]

The now ?

[restive river]

Yup!

[restive river]

Reality

Mother calls it the now lol

[worn cypress]

You mean the timeline it self ?

[pale cedar]

“It's what makes you special, you know that, right? All thanks to my father. It pumps the arteries of 'the here' and the Void. The Entrati family maintained it for an age. But it's breaking down, and the only idiot that knows how to fix it... the man I used to call my husband.”

[restive river]

Uh
Quite possibly actually?
The protos are somehow void powered

[pale cedar]

The here and the Void is just science speak for real space and the Void

[radiant pier]

why isn't the stalker moving

is this a player?

[restive river]

Nervous ):

[worn cypress]

So does this mean like if there are void Technologies all over the solar system will that mean hearts in one moon will stop them all ?@restive river

[worn cypress]

Babysitting

[restive river]

Yes, that’s the plot of the heart of Deimos quest
We don’t see the full scale but when it briefly goes down we lose our Frame abilities, movement, shields
Only reason we retain control is because transfernce isn’t void based

Or the tech isn’t at least

[radiant pier]

oh it's a player no wonder they weren't doing anything

[pale cedar]

If the heart is destroyed all Void powered tech which exists will turn off including whatever is in Warframes

[narrow pendant]

its bc the tenno dont need the heart for their void powers, which include transference

[worn cypress]

What if we scale it more , if they colonized a galaxy will one moon be that important 🗿

[restive river]

We don’t have innate transference as of the heat of Deimos so
No

[restive river]

Colonizing the galaxy is not an option
But who knows!

[pale cedar]

I could’ve sworn I did it when I already had innate transference

[worn cypress]

I mean theoretically

[restive river]

The system is at war and we killed the best techies lol

[narrow pendant]

thats just the grey area of how you swap frames and into necramechs at that point

[restive river]

Yeah we don’t know lol

[worn cypress]

I mean if it happened

[narrow pendant]

they just decided to let you play heart of deimos before second dream

[worn cypress]

Will the hearts in one moon this important?

[restive river]

We technically could before yes but they added that one dialogue and it’s an early quest

[restive river]

No
It’s not
Before the war Within were use the somatics

That’s what the metal bits are
The scarring is from installing them iirc

Literally what their description is

[restive river]

Yes it’s very important, that’s why we haven’t slaughtered the family

[pale cedar]

The chair is also called a Somatic chair

[worn cypress]

Lol

[restive river]

We went from just somatics in the dream
To gamer chair somatics
To not needing the chair

[narrow pendant]

ah ok then, but outside of the quest its still true that they dont need the heart for their powers, its been a point made by DE that temmo dont power the warframes which further clarifies their independence from the heart

[worn cypress]

If it's that important won't all factions try to protect them ?

[restive river]

In a way I can see as us healing

[pale cedar]

But still using the chair
To not using the chair at all

[restive river]

You would think but they don’t all know about it lol
And if they did they would strive for control

Best to keep keep secret and let the infested defense system take care of external enemies

[restive river]

Ye!

[pale cedar]

Think if we had Wally’s full power we’d become trapped in the Void?

[restive river]

If we had his full power we would be like him
Aka we can collapse timelines and possibly make new ones from that, to name his greatest feat

[smoky gulch]

Imagine if infestation attempted to assimilate Wally, pestering them from inside

[restive river]

Actually that’s maybe eating universes

[restive river]

Can’t
Infestation can’t infect void

[pale cedar]

Infestation wouldn’t last 5 seconds trying that

[restive river]

That’s why the tenno are safe
Void saturated DNA

[smoky gulch]

Give Alad V a month

[restive river]

LOL

[restive river]

Idk it is older

It’s the more experienced eldritch thing

[pale cedar]

Orokin thing gave himself plot armour then gave it to us

Didn’t give himself finger armour though

[strange turtle]

She did but it was like, an infamy thing not actual rank

Nihil. Worse than an executioner, worse even than an Excruciator. When my tired ol' grandma didn't have time for my nonsense, Nihil was the bogeyman she said was gonna come put naughty Nora in a bottle.

[fast dew]

I put my pen down to reply to this and its gone

[pale cedar]

Again?

[fast dew]

Mm, yeah I can see it

[fast dew]

This happens regularly

[pale cedar]

You should honestly put it on a chain or something so you never lose it

[fast dew]

Idk man it has electronics in it i don't wanna break it

[pale cedar]

Put it in a box then

[fast dew]

How am I gunna use it

[pale cedar]

When you take it out the box

[fast dew]

How am I gonna draw men kissing if I have the pen in the box

[strange turtle]

Throughout the quest he doesn’t actually get treated like one, even when a point is made to refer to him by title and when the Executors are brought up

[strange turtle]

Hopefully not the Albrecht Method

[fast dew]

As in

Shanking it? Cutting the box up? Multiplying the pen? Transforming the pen into a mutant? Getting high and throwing it in the void?

Writing prose about it and then hiding it away only for my shadow demon to find it and mock me for it behind my back?

What Albrecht method 😭

Stealing it??

[strange turtle]

Blood

[sullen dawn]

Are protoframes weaker then there full frame counterparts?
it seems like in order to become a proto frame you need the original 1999 technocyte virus and the present/future helminth strain.

[fast dew]

No, they're just

Not fully aware of their abilities

[daring tusk]

is onkko secretly nokko and vice versa

have they been seen together

i need answers

[strange turtle]

You just need the Helminth

[sullen dawn]

Only? I thought all of the proto frame where originally infected with tosudo/techrot

[fast dew]

As far as im aware it's not required

Marie, Lyon and Roathe are all uninfested from techrot

[sullen dawn]

Ah ok

[strange turtle]

Also Ryoku and Vena

[fast dew]

Ah we dont know that yet

[pale cedar]

The Techrot is still there they’re just asymptomatic carriers

Albrecht loves making a cure that’s not a true cure

[tall echo]

(according to one highly biased person)

[celest needle]

What grineer commanders are even still alive? (not the queens?)

[tall echo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

vay hek is a higher rank, sargas ruk is just kinda forgotten

[celest needle]

Kela got merc’d
Vor got merc’d
Kril got merc’d
Sargas got merc’d
Regor got merc’d
Vay Hek is ???

[tall echo]

autocorrect?

[celest needle]

Autocorrect?

[tall echo]

you had gregor there before

[celest needle]

Queens good so far

But who the hell is left In their ranks besides unnamed people

[tall echo]

sargas ruk and vay hek at least

kril probably too since he's never killed in a quest

[pale cedar]

Vay Heck is alive at the end of the mission and even shows up in New War

Kela shows up when there’s an accident leading to water gun fights

Vor has one probably the most famous quote in the game

“I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn.”

—Vor

[celest needle]

It's unknown if he survived the new war (which I assume he did?) or either died during the invasion or met the wolf of Saturn six fate

-# Vor’s a void shit he don't count

And Dog Days are set on earth before you merc her

[dusk temple]

Vay Hek is still alive and trying to take over Earth and Cetus.

[pale cedar]

He very much does count

He’s still very much human

[dusk temple]

Grineer aren’t human. Not anymore at least.

They’re mutated so badly from faulty cloning templates they’re essentially their own species now.

[fast dew]

What.

[tall echo]

originated as human, is human

[fast dew]

No. They're human. They're human slaves.

What you see is basically the result of inbreeding with extra steps

[tall echo]

they're not even mutated just rotting

[dusk temple]

The clone rot is a result of genetic mutation from cloning clones iirc.

[opaque zenith]

About the imbreding, they're infertile clones, meaning same template but bad copy, but still same original template

[ashen pulsar]

some are

mutated, I mean

[dusk temple]

Grineer Ghouls are an example iirc

And then Tyl Regor’s Tubemen.

[fast dew]

No, not a mutation [+ mutation that arent consistent enough dont count as a new species], its. Gene degradation. Generation loss, like from a cassette

The genes become more unstable, but that doesn't mean its a new species

[tall echo]

Not a mutation, just the consequence of low quality equipment

[dusk temple]

And what of the Kuva Guardians? What are they to be counted as because they’re sure as hell not your standard Grineer muscle.

[ashen pulsar]

some grineer have mutations tho
unstable genes mean occasional mistakes

[fast dew]

Its the closest real-world example 😭 making previous genetic issues more prominent with every copy [kinda like how inbreeding does that]

[tall echo]

We don't even see them unarmored

[pale cedar]

They’re just body builders with staffs and guns

[fast dew]

I mean would you. Count an orokin as human lol

[ashen pulsar]

I didnt say they werent human

[fast dew]

OH

No wrong reply lmao

[ashen pulsar]

I just said that mutations are more common

[opaque zenith]

If it was just drawning a comparison, then yes i see that and agree

[dusk temple]

But with how large they are they have to count as some sort of mutated strain of Grineer made by the Queens.

[zenith ore]

Babas

[pale cedar]

Who was it meant for?

[fast dew]

Have you seen karrish

[dusk temple]

Whozzat?

[fast dew]

This lol

[tall echo]

Or it's just a smough situation

[fast dew]

Protogen ass legs
-# I think ive commented on it before

[pale cedar]

Some people can just be bodybuilders wearing armour

[dusk temple]

Who knows. But they have to be some sort of enhanced grineer because that armor looks heavy as hell and I don’t think your standard lancer like our goat Khal would be able to move around in it.

[opaque zenith]

As for the most boring anwer: Tumors causing mass expansion is a classic cloning problem trope, and in the kuva guardian armor we don't see any open part, so could be that

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean they're. Orokin servants what do you expect

The orokin are kinda. Known for it

[pale cedar]

They’re bodybuilders and bodybuilders wearing that armour would train to manage it

[tall echo]

yes

[low pond]

I’m curious as to how the new ash and Garuda protoframes actually because the whole idea of the protoframe stems from Entrati. So unless he’s gone to the future as well how did they get that way. I only ask because it seems that the update focuses on the stalker, as well as his children

[fast dew]

Gone to the future AND jumped timelines

[low pond]

Is that just speculation or have the devs said something about it yet?

[fast dew]

Devs have said it

[low pond]

Ah

Ok

Thank you

[narrow pendant]

her first thought

[celest needle]

She frozen

[cosmic badge]

You can see the braincells colliding

[fast dew]

I really need to make more but

I gotta see my old man yaoi through

[somber adder]

Does anyone know what condition Lyon is meant to have?

[fast dew]

Schizotypal, schizoeffective, schizophrenia uhh

Polycoria

Gotta narrow it down a lil

[somber adder]

His visions and such seem consistent with Schizotypal Personality Disorder

[woven coyote]

Havent gotten far with lyon yet, but unless he mentions them before he got infected then it is just infestation being funny

[pale cedar]

He doesn't mention it

[woven coyote]

Sounds like just helminth being helminth then

He's just more attuned with the harrow strain or smth along those lines

[fast dew]

He mentions having one as a kid

An. Episode i mean

[woven coyote]

Do you remember any keywords so i can fetch it in the kimulacrum?

[fast dew]

Mm, eyes. Weirdly.

He remembered having a hallucination as a child where a woman had her face messed up. And it happened later on

Albrecht, upon hearing that story, i could've only assumed he. Though it was wally

@midnight ice you're the harrow/lyon fella, do you remember that chat

[midnight ice]

AHHH one second my turn to digulacrum

[midnight ice]

LyonRank4Convo4

[fast dew]

Thank you homie

[fast dew]

Woe

Cut off the. Child abuse part for the sake of yall

[woven coyote]

Interesting

But while digging through i found something else too

[fast dew]

Oh?

[fast dew]

I think that

Was Albrecht being wrong

Huge take, but i think Albrecht assumed wrongly, out of fear

[woven coyote]

It does raise the possibility though, that this isnt a case of lyon having a mental condition but of actual powers happening in the universe with magic

I mean kuva existed before albrecht went into the void, and was later found to have void derived characteristics

[fast dew]

Mm, true

Though I am reluctant on if it was wally going through a timeline itself, or just Lyon's memories

[woven coyote]

Could also be just wally's influence spreading, as in not necessarily wally going places and intentionally corrupting time

Sort of a fantasy miasma spreading image i am having with this

[pale cedar]

For a second a thought it said

Lyon if you'd prefer to go away please say so

I feel I'd say that to someone for some reason

[fast dew]

You would

[pale cedar]

I am the enemy after all, it is in my name

[quiet falcon]

I wonder if Orion and Sirius will be the same frame, but you'll be able to toggle between them like the Drifter and Operator

[ashen pulsar]

er… why styanax?

[quiet falcon]

Oooooh

Wrong place 😭

[ashen pulsar]

and I think they’ve confirmed we’re getting two frames

[fast dew]

Wuh

Where?

[quiet falcon]

In the newest devstream, they said they weren't going to talk about Orion and Sirius. They're being extremely illusive about it on purpose

😑

[fast dew]

Devshort you mean?

[quiet falcon]

Oh, yes, my bad 😅

[pale cedar]

I keep hearing it's Dante and Vergil

I still have 0 idea who Vergil is and know basically nothing about Dante past he shoots guns

[quiet falcon]

I think they're more so referring to the energy/aura they give off as a duo than the actual abilities they possess

(Dante has guns and Virgil can make ethereal swords and possesses a sword that can seamlessly cut through space itself)

[narrow pendant]

theyre demon/human hybrids with a rivalry going on

also twins

also another thing i remembered, either for cinematic purposes or not during their space fight they seemed to change their appearance which characters in DMC also do by entering their "devil trigger"

[quiet falcon]

Yeah, that's something I'm really interested in. The fact that they "transform" in one way or another is pretty cool, and it seems like they were almost trying to sidestep that fact in the trailer

[narrow pendant]

to be fair the concept art for them was intentionally simple for the animation, ingame theyll be more detailed

i hope we can set ryoku and vena as call ins since they can join the rj crew

[strange plinth]

i'd imagine so
-# i don't use the on-call thing but i don't think its restricted otherwise

[pale cedar]

Considering every other unit can be I don't see why they can't be

[narrow pendant]

rly useful

[glass python]

i’m hoping that they both get to have a default special effect.

like how BotB stalker mode has.

special vision boarders, a special effect that other players can see and isn’t that easy to track them.

who knows, one might focus on status effects. (Sirius) and the other focuses on crit damage/chance (Orion)

[limber hull]

It can be that or 2 frames with very similar moves

[quiet falcon]

Exactly

And I think they'd have separate moves just off of principle

[limber hull]

Orion being More stalker like, and Sirius More jade (tanky/support)

[quiet falcon]

I think they'll be separate frames because if they have the same moveset and thus act as one frame, that would be a big let down and feel a bit lazy. If they have separate movesets, DE would have to make an entirely new, dual frame customization framework, including modding, all for a one off frame design that accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate frames. And from a monetary perspective, they'd be essentially giving away a free frame when they could make more money having them be separate

[celest needle]

How does Rathuum work?

[ashen pulsar]

in the lore?

[celest needle]

Yes

[ashen pulsar]

kela hosts events for people to face her executioners

[twin wigeon]

It’s an arena for gladiator combat

[glass python]

personally, i’d much rather them have it seperate entirely.

no equinox, just two fully seperate, yet similar frames.

just specialized in seperate archetypes

[fast dew]

Id rather they. Find a unique way to manage the eternalism issue

[glass python]

what do you mean by eternalism?

[fast dew]

Oh

[twin wigeon]

Oh

[fast dew]

Two of the same people, from separate timelines, cannot exist in the same timeline

There's places that allow it

[twin wigeon]

incoming!!!

[glass python]

the void is an easy explication.

the question is how they will go about it.

[fast dew]

But

Those places aren't. Where we see it

[quiet falcon]

How can the operator and drifter swap again? (in lore)

[ashen pulsar]

hear me out
they're from realities that branched long before the naming
they're actually different people from timelines that were basically identical until the naming

[quiet falcon]

Okay, but why are they like that (in a void pocket) instead of in their own timelines like eternalism states they should be?

(Or at least, from what I've been told eternalism says they should be)

[strange plinth]

drifter moved into operator's timeline during duviri paradox/new war

drifter's timeline might not exist anymore, based on KIM

[celest needle]

Who’s watching it don’t they all work in the defend, fight and die 24/7

[ashen pulsar]

grineer that dont have anything better to do idk

[quiet falcon]

Okay, so do you think the opposing name's timeline (the opposite of what we chose) will get deleted?

[quiet falcon]

I mean, the duviri experience is always accessible, isn't it?

[ashen pulsar]

void is outside of time

[strange plinth]

duviri is, yes
but duviri is in the void, which is. not exactly tied to any one timeline

[ashen pulsar]

thats kinda a weird way to say that but you get the point

[quiet falcon]

Okay, but sidestepping all of this eternalism stuff... what if our operator just kinda... makes the frame... out of materials in their timeline...

Based off of blueprints of Sirius and Orion

[celest needle]

They live to fight and DIE what time do they have

[strange plinth]

the two from the quest would theoretically have the issue
copies would not

[quiet falcon]

Because we've seen that they can make blueprints just from seeing a frame, like Uriel

[strange plinth]

however, that's part of why i think they don't have the issue
the universe doesn't care about multiple warframes existing

[ashen pulsar]

dude what do you think all those grineer stationed in underground bunkers do 24/7

fight who

[strange plinth]

ehh
Uriel's blueprints were reconstructed from the memories iirc, not just from seeing it
else the Umbra sequence would be a lot easier

Your memories of the Warframe Uriel have enabled Loid to reconstruct his blueprint. A difficult task, as the Orokin attempted to destroy all copies. Use Uriel with caution, if you use him at all.

[ashen pulsar]

but uhh
what about the materials

[limber hull]

I suppose the dark refractory uses the void to create the materials

Duviri is fiction but the materials are real now

[strange plinth]

i have no idea regarding the materials
i usually regard them as gameplay > lore but i've not looked into it much

[limber hull]

Yeah sure, a ball of rage

[ashen pulsar]

void?

I don't think you can just grab some void and start CEing

[restive river]

Which makes sense considering where they were when the split happened

[limber hull]

I mean, we get materials from our memories. Maybe that's just gameplay mechanics

[twin wigeon]

Im still confused about Sirius and Orions physiology given that jades child is a warframed baby but how is it able to grow and age

[queen shale]

DE should pull some more homestuck bullshit and make ballas come back to life via time shenanigans so we can fully beat his ass

:3

[pale cedar]

No

That would ruin the impact of New War

Old Peace only works bringing him back because it's memories of the past before he died

[quiet falcon]

I mean, warframes are human based, so it's not impossible for them to be able to age, it's just kinda odd to think about. For instance, will all frames age? It doesn't seem likely, so maybe they age up to a certain point and say that way

[pale cedar]

They're also Infested which was already stated to be above such concepts

A Warframe can just sit for 1000 years just fine assuming nobody takes advantage of it

[ashen pulsar]

not to mention we’ve already seen that this is true

[restive river]

The only explanation for the medals and stuff from the refractory would be CE

But it’s never like
Addressed

Other option is Loid makes it all like he remade the Uriel blueprint from our memory :p

[drifting lintel]

to whomever said this game doesn't have any bootstrap paradoxes ....

[strange plinth]

ducky's theory
-# to elaborate slightly, her theory is that the quest will be about preventing the bootstrap from occuring, and the temporal twins can still exist/will be left behind because of palimpsest shenanigans
-# at least that was my understanding of it

[celest needle]

Just kill the stalker lol

[strange plinth]

that's what the mentors seem to be trying

[celest needle]

But the question is to kill them in their future once brought or kill past stalker

And then

What happens once he is brought?

[warm palm]

What would an interaction between these two be like?

[twin wigeon]

silent, because neither can talk to a capacity

[drifting lintel]

umbra: screaming

caliban: silence

[twin wigeon]

yes yes umbra can howl but like thats not talking

[smoky gulch]

It would go like this:
*nod*
*nod back and formal bow*

[loud oriole]

-Umbra Howls-
-Caliban says something in Sentient-

[twin wigeon]

sentient chirping

[strange plinth]

just internal monologues while they stare at each other
like death note

[hollow blaze]

Tea and komi while the drifter/operator is off doing another run in Labs.

[twin wigeon]

passing a pipe around as the operator just be galivanting

[drifting lintel]

I honestly don't know what you expected lol

[warm palm]

I cant tell if theyd hate each other due to space racism or if theyd be best buds

[twin wigeon]

neither, they both forgor

[strange plinth]

probably like. 'we both fought in that war. sucked, huh?'

[drifting lintel]

why ... would they?

one doesn't GaF about sentients he's just in all the pain. and the other is an empty shell

[warm palm]

Cause of the umbral mods that give tau resistance. While Caliban is one of the only sources of tau damage.

[twin wigeon]

well he can apply tau status but its not like he is a sentient

[ocean geyser]

I didn’t have any time to watch the devshort (i was at work)
What happened?

[drifting lintel]

I actually don't know why umbra has anti-sentient equipment. only reason I can think of is that he was blown up by lotus.

[restive river]

Ye p much :D
i didn’t add the palimpsest part but I can see that explaining it too, I had just said “eternalism” lol

[restive river]

Fighting
Then kissing
Then fighting
Then kissing

Toootally

[celest needle]

Yaoiframe

[warm palm]

Idk either. Im just saying i could understand why a hypothetical sapient Caliban would be uneasy against his biggest counter

[strange plinth]

mm, i'd considered the palimpsest just more specific
iirc the wording you used was similar to the palimpsest's on the traces that would be left after a change

[smoky gulch]

Old frame yaoi?

[restive river]

I was stating it without knowing it, damn
I think you’re right then lol

[restive river]

Sevagoth deluxe and Hydroid deluxe…

[drifting lintel]

I don't think caliban would have much of a problem tho

caliban was essentially the "peace marriage child" between the sentients and the orokin. as he is half warframe and half sentient

[ocean geyser]

Lore chat seems to have exploded with new info, so im not really sure what i missed

[strange plinth]

devshort didn't have anything huge iirc
caliban floating animations will be looked at after tennocon

[tall echo]

Ooo

[warm palm]

I guess thats fair. Though if i had a gimmick no one else had, and the only guy resistance to that gimmick was an insane veteran with a ton of PTSD, i might be a little on edge being around him.

Do we know if the sacrifice takes place before or after old peace? I just considered Umbra might not know about the sentient surrender and might shoot first at the sight of a sentient looking figure that summons other sentients

[tall echo]

You mean the flashbacks?

[warm palm]

Ye, sorry

[strange plinth]

after
ballas's motivation for betraying the orokin is margulis's death, margulis dies after old peace

[drifting lintel]

it wouldn't really matter. umbra only has like half an hour of memory from back in the day.

[tall echo]

And umbra got framed(ha) for finding out ballas' betrayal plans

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/free-gif-13304638932589783966

My glorious king

[strange plinth]

-# to be clear, they didn't promise anything
-# just that they'd determine how much work it'd be after tennocon

[dire mountain]

Okay considering:

Umbra was at the battle of Hull and we know there was a Hunhullus there. I think he'd be aware of the tenuous peace that existed even if he wasn't privy to the existence of caliban prime

So I don't think like umbra would freak out especially after the sacrifice

[drifting lintel]

he might freak out a little since he was breifly hunted by a bunch of sentients (ballas and lotus)

[ocean geyser]

Caliban jumpscare

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/caliban-warframe-war-frame-gif-6691571392389225885

[clever linden]

Orokin military hierarchy:
tenno (high guardians)
Dax (super soldiers)
Grineer (canon fodder)
Low guardians (human soldiers)
Destiny guardians (Lower Guardians)

[tall echo]

that being the first and only wf-related result when searching caliban in the gifs is incredible

[lean garden]

lol there wasnt a need to randomly dump in Guardians from Destiny onto the list

[clever linden]

I’m memeing

Serious note: anybody notice the parallels between both Soren and Operator witnessing the person they were basically married to on a spiritual level die, then take in their soul/powers/essence into themselves and gain new abilities?

Like it just hit me how similar those two moments are

I definitely think they will reference ADIS’s Light and Jade’s Light in Jade Shadows: Constellations

[tall echo]

and for good measure also operator's light that wally still wants

or. has?

[restive river]

None of those are the same kind of light lol

Operator’s light is ???
Jade’s light is. The Jade Light
And Adis’ light is a piece of him, it’s unclear what it is other than it’s sentient in origin

The two that would maybe he similar is Operator and Adis’ which
Are still different

[restive river]

Wants
We never made good on the deal

We still owe him

[clever linden]

Jade’s light is definitely part of her. It’s literally her name and they act like geranium taking jades notes is desecrating the dead

Like I can easily see a reveal that OG Jade and Adis are still partly alive within their remaining “light” and Soren and Operator maybe put aside their differences that way

[tall echo]

ok but the motes are literally parts of her, not just her light

[clever linden]

So both physical and soul aspects?

[tall echo]

just physical they're the pieces her body dissolved into

granum is reverse engineering the jade light from them

[clever linden]

But aren’t warframe powers connected to the void as well?

[tall echo]

they're powered by it, but not connected aside from that

[clever linden]

I thought void was like “stem cell energy” and warframes through their operator ‘translate’ void into something like jade or celestial blade or whatever

[tall echo]

nah, the abilities are part of the frame

[restive river]

Jade’s Light
The Jade Light
Parvos wants the motes for his Jade Light research
The Jade Light is an execution method

[tall echo]

well, was. now it's just an annoying visual clutter device that's mildly painful

[restive river]

The one eximus use is a lesser version, hence Parvos wanting it

He wants the real thing

[tall echo]

jade's is also not much more effective

[strange plinth]

Roathe: The Jade Light is quick to those without the armor or shields to survive a single blast. It is a merciful death.
might've still been an annoying visual clutter device to warframes at the time

[clever linden]

What makes them different?

[tall echo]

far less lethal

the actual jade light turned the victims into "mist and gore"

[dusk temple]

Instant jellyfication vs slow cooker

[tall echo]

more instant thanos snap with more mess

[peak stag]

• more jade'ish

[restive river]

We also know that Jade and the Jade Light are not one in the same since Yonta Jade Lighted herself

[dusk temple]

I believe the Jade Light originated from Jade.

[strange plinth]

actually what amount of armor or shields could roathe be talking about here because the jade light vaporized some of ivara's armor in that leverian iirc

[peak stag]

Curious... it doesnt seem to say "Jade**'s** light", maybe her powers consist around the Jade light itself?

[strange plinth]

can't
the crewman synthesis mentions the jade light vaporizing someone long before warframes were made

[dusk temple]

Huh

aight

I was thinking it came from her and the Orokin never said Jade’s Light because they would never credit another being for their deadliest weapon.

[twin wigeon]

so jade essentially mass produces jade light

[dusk temple]

I think so.

[restive river]

But uh
This

Unless you mean in the present

Cause yes

[dusk temple]

Because Ordis and the Tenno are in a constant keep away game with Parvos Granum

[twin wigeon]

iirc jade light executions were normally reserved for the truly heinous criminals, being executed by it was a honor for them

[restive river]

Yes to prevent him from improving the tech

[restive river]

Yonta used it on herself on the zariman too

[dusk temple]

They were gonna blast Ordan Karris with it until he slaughtered some of the Golden Lords. Then they glassed him and made him into our resident bipolar cephalon.

[twin wigeon]

so it could mean that it was rare bc it was a rare source of energy that needed to be used sparingly, that is until ballas made Jade and she happens to produce the light

[restive river]

Ballas likely used the Jade light to make Jade’s warframe
Cause her name is Jade

[strange plinth]

i forget that yonta also jade lighted herself before the warframes were made as well

[twin wigeon]

uhhhhh more like jade was the original persons name i think

[strange plinth]

iirc, they offered to make him orokin, then they glassed him for turning it down

[restive river]

Idk if it was rare, just used rarely

[dusk temple]

He also killed some Orokin

[restive river]

Yes that’s what i said
We don’t know the frame name

[strange plinth]

not permanently, though

[twin wigeon]

oh the contempt to turn down the ascension to become of them

[humble sierra]

Yeah but they laughed it off, then offered to make him an Orokin too— when he rejected that, that's when they took actual offense

[dusk temple]

I thought they offered first then he thought they’d kill him and when he arrived he went on the murder spree.

[restive river]

He always was planning to kill then

[twin wigeon]

basically hes saying his lowly existence was more valued tthan becoming a god with them

i love ordan for that, he truly slayed

[restive river]

If he did become one he would be dead
Ordan outlived 99.99% of them, kinda

[twin wigeon]

in a sense yeah

[restive river]

His fragments are easier to find than most Orokin tech lol

[twin wigeon]

His fragments are bright blue

its not hard not seeing tthem

[restive river]

Ye

[dusk temple]

Karma loves the Orokin.

[devout fractal]

So guess who just completed then Old Peace quest :D

I haven’t cried this hard to a game in years

All of you need to die

[strange plinth]

:)

[midnight ice]

true and real

[devout fractal]

You are cruel people

[humble sierra]

[celest needle]

WHAT DID WE DO???

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

[devout fractal]

OH WHAT THE HELL THE MISSION IS STILL GOING

I THOUGHT THAT THE ROBOT DIES AND WE JUST STOP THERE WHY AM I THE DEVIL

[humble sierra]

Catharsis

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-uriel-warframe-uriel-devil-demon-gif-10082586714059961898

Sup Emet-Selch

[midnight ice]

i still find it cute how he wags his tail to the beat of the music

like what the hell

[strange plinth]

go, emotional teenager that just lost someone very close to them, crash out at the academy

[midnight ice]

my piece of shite wuppyog

[devout fractal]

Let me keep this warframe I beg. I beg

This this is amazing

[midnight ice]

well!

the farm isnt TOO bad

its one of the better frame farms

[strange plinth]

not keep, per se
but he's not bad to farm

[midnight ice]

not including mats but if you like doing Perita its not too bad

[devout fractal]

Ugh the GRINDDD

[dire mountain]

Uriel is like so easy to obtain

Run through descendia like once all the way then spam the boss fight like 7 times

Maybe buy a part you're missing from the maphica you got from descendia

[devout fractal]

Got ittt

[stiff fable]

Then do it a second time so you can put one in the Helminth

[devout fractal]

It looks so sillyyyy

Can’t wait to ruin it by making everything on it bright yellow and orange

[strange plinth]

nah just hold onto it until the prime releases

[stiff fable]

I mean if you run Descendia every week it won't be hard to have many many

[merry bough]

can someone clue me in on follie's lore? or direct me to a good video on it?

[lean garden]

aint going to be any good video on it brother, now go pick up some motes

[merry bough]

ah, does warframe not have lore content creators?

[lean garden]

they do, they just wont be able to cover follie properly

[dusk temple]

Follie just released and there isn’t much on her.

All we really have are Kozai’s letters

[twin wigeon]

She was a former therapist that made her paitents paint pictures as an outlet, however the orokin sought to warp her profession

[lean garden]

theres so few that can actually be trusted not to make shit up, and the way follie's shtick is, the only thing to do is to make shit up

[ashen pulsar]

wait do we know that follie was the archimedean

[lean garden]

we dont

[twin wigeon]

we dont

[ashen pulsar]

thank you

[lean garden]

she could be, she could be just involved somehow

she could have been turned into a warframe and then used by the archimedean

[twin wigeon]

we do know that her patients would be draw and she would describe their paintings, almost kinda like forcing them to feel better or deriving meaning behind their drawings

shes a bad therapist, though that could likely be because of the orokin or the archimedian herself

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187307015832354858/1481568567181705247/losercity-grandmother-v0-o2dlf1w4cdog1.gif

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/gustave-bonjour-clair-obscur-gustave-clair-obscur-good-morning-clair-obscur-gif-10630882311059158706

[stiff fable]

According to Zorba, before Vesper Relay was destroyed his master Kozai entered Follie's Shadowgraph where he ended up striking up a friendship with the Warframe.

It turns out that all of the horror themed stuff is literally her just playing tag

After the initial confusion, Kozai started teaching Follie the Arbiters of Hexis's history and stories, and she understood them

[dire mountain]

So the warframe youtube scene is dire because there's like a dozen people who don't strictly do like reviewing equipment and of those dozen there's like one I like

But also yeah follie has like nothing actually important or worth talking about lore-wise

[stiff fable]

I mean hey it's Arbiters lore after literally a decade

[dire mountain]

I wouldn't say thats follie lore though

[stiff fable]

If her ink really does teach people stuff on its own that's kind of huge tho

[lean garden]

wuh?

This was in the letters?

[stiff fable]

Follie is... a teller of truths. I taught her Hexis stories.

[lean garden]

this part here is definitely not inside the letters

[stiff fable]

One hunts another, round and around, forever. I thought it was a nightmare, but it was only ever meant to be a game."

Tag. You're it.

[lean garden]

Zorba's lines. Not the letters

[stiff fable]

I didn't say it was at any point?

[lean garden]

Yea, Im saying theyre not inside, because they aint

because otherwise no one else would have context where that line came from

we have creepy crawler lurkers watching our every move

[dark compass]

Hi region

[fast dew]

Hi nuke

[white thunder]

How does this make any sense... (We see hunhow multiple times, but there's just an inanimate version of him being studied, is the active part just a lie or like is their a mini controller of the main part of him that's in disrepair. But why would a mini version of him just look the exact same as the shell?)

[lean garden]

sentients are big and come in many bodies

but also like youre not really giving much of a size comparison here

[white thunder]

1st one is a skybox, incredibly far away, second one is him half-way infront of stalker

[white thunder]

The many-bodies makes sense with the Old Peace, its just weird that its just a minature version of his larger body.

[lean garden]

to be very fair, we don't actually know how close he is to stalker

he could very well be massive and far away, and because of his size he looks close

[white thunder]

His "mini" version is still absolutely massive, but not as gargantuan as the wreckage being analyzed.

He's probably bigger than the entire stalker den.

[strange plinth]

hunhow as seen during the Erra cutscene
he's. large
there's also just that sentients can fragment themselves
like there's bits of hunhow that we scan during TSD

[white thunder]

Oh yeah, with the full body it makes more sense now, I was thinking this part was his head but it's probably more lkely one of those protrusions from his upper left and right.

Oh wait.. nevermind, apparently his head is also a part of this.. Maybe it's just a case of the sky-box being outdated?

[lean garden]

or maybe its cuz its archwing

archwing is notorious for hilarious scaling issues

[white thunder]

could be true

[narrow pendant]

lotus didnt even have the decency to store it somewhere safer after lotus eaters

smh

[restive river]

idk, that's a p good spot

[celest needle]

one wind gust and its over

[narrow pendant]

its always in the eyes of the looming wally head above the sanctum

and cmon that close to the edge?

[restive river]

there ain't no wind

[narrow pendant]

can we just mention rq how funny it is that hunhow gave stalker all these bouncepads to hop around with

mf can TELEPORT

[midnight ice]

i think warframe archives (rip) made a model comparison and the little light on the top of the "tower" head is about the size of a warframe

[restive river]

Idk if that matches with the railjack old war photo?
Not sure though

[narrow pendant]

pretty sure rj old war scene matches the new trailer when you ignore the planet and purely compare him to the frames

when right next to it one RJ is probably around the size of his little cown

[strange turtle]

Wait we have an image of an Old War RJ?

[restive river]

@strange turtle

[fast dew]

Wait what do you mean rip did something happen 😭

Did they get nuked from the thing that happened a bit ago??

[midnight ice]

not nuked, just stopped archival activities etc so i had to briefly pause in my statement (regarding hunhows massive girth) to take off my hat in respect

[fast dew]

:[

Balls.

This is why we don't have nice things

[blissful wraith]

Hi guys

Whats is the lore for the title Oblivion's Kiss you get with 1999 materiels (sorry for bad english im Vietnamese)

[blissful wraith]

Orion(Sirius): Hey Sirius(Orion)! Your planet cracking days are over! Give me the polearm.
Sirius(Orion): If you want it, then you'll have to take it. I think we both already know that.
Orion(Sirius): Had a feeling you would say that.

[blissful merlin]

No lore for that title tbh lol. It’s just a fun little title to give yourself.

[radiant pier]

I think I need archimedian yonta

[daring tusk]

why is yonta tweaking

[fast dew]

When is she not

She's just a bit silly i love her

She'd get along well with Loid i feel

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-yonta-archimedean-tenno-orokin-gif-383880801649958622

[blissful wraith]

Mustve been the wind

[fast dew]

She even hits the loid pose vaguely!!!

[radiant pier]

I need her

[celest needle]

Does she even have like guts anymore?

[dire mountain]

She is cute

[humble sierra]

Finally got my in-game TennoVIP stuff

[fast dew]

Wuh what's the last one

[humble sierra]

Decoration
Sigil
Glyph

Might be other stuff too

It was just added to my inventory, no communication email or anything

Also didn't get an email from DE, I just followed up on the ticket and they responded there

[fast dew]

Well I sent my ticket while I was waiting for my hair to process

Hopefully they get back within. Idk tomorrow

[pale cedar]

You're probably going to get got by the 2-week response time due to little actual urgency

[restive river]

Me too

[fast dew]

Nah, Ark put his in pretty recently and just got it

[fast dew]

Ur so real for this ducky

[humble sierra]

Nah I put mine in at around 9pm local time and got a response 3am local time

[fast dew]

Oh shit

Yeah mine was put in like. 7:30ish local time

Today

[restive river]

She’s just
Y’know
😭

[radiant pier]

and not ME?

[fast dew]

She'd ask if you are okay even if you aren't showing anything, she'd just know ykim

[fast dew]

You're ducky ingame so close enough

[daring tusk]

I approve of this train of thought 👍

[restive river]

Yeah

[radiant pier]

I don't see why she wouldn't have em?

[restive river]

Wait what

[humble sierra]

You're both ducks

Autocorrect almost screwed me over there

[fast dew]

Joel's ign is duckythecupid lol

[pale cedar]

Ducky’s is Rajclaw iirc

I wonder how many people here actually have the same IGN as on Discord

I doubt it's just me

[restive river]

Lmao

[restive river]

Yeah
Old username
Snagged Ducky_ for Soulframe tho

[pearl axle]

I want to change my nickname here to my in game one but idk why it's not allowed

[ocean geyser]

I use names vaguely similar to my own
Im just Darumaka here because of a bit, my usual username is actually just Frostbyte

[pearl axle]

to avoid people impersonating staff I assume?

[pale cedar]

People were abusing it to make NSFW names so it was disabled

[pearl axle]

....this is why we can't have nice things

Like funny NSFW (gooner stuff) or actually awful NSFW (racial slurs)?

[ocean geyser]

Random argument on Tiktok got me wondering
Are warframes that were kids back when they were regular humans
Still technically kids as they are now?

[fast dew]

Id say they are

[pale cedar]

Probably a mix of both

It's been disabled for a while

[fast dew]

And thats ignoring the lobotomisation aspect of warframes

[brazen sable]

Anyone know what happened to the girl from opening story of warframe and before anyone says that's us, remember we are in the void at the time. Just curious

[pale cedar]

She transferred into the frame and started killing

[pearl axle]

She was Wally all along (source: I made it up)

[opaque zenith]

Being the devil's advocate, it could still be the mc in the cutscene, with all the cinematic being "like a dream"

[restive river]

That cinematic isn’t entirely canon
I interpret her as us finding our way back to our frame, waking up from our big nap
Some call her Mara cause that’s our Tenno’s name in the script

[fast dew]

Their mental state would be. Very broken, and their physical body would be "frozen" in a sense

[restive river]

Sumo kinda just did whatever they wanted
The whole thing with mag was literally made up, she got that ability added to her kit later due to it lol

[fast dew]

Same with the duviri cutscene too aint it?

[humble sierra]

The cinematic was made by an outside company (directed by the guy who made the new Predator films apparently!) so isn't entirely canon. It's likely meant to represent Operator though, IIRC she shows up in the New War cinematic as well

[pearl axle]

Mara Lohk?

[restive river]

It’s symbolically us at most
Not literally in any sense

[restive river]

Mayhaps

[humble sierra]

That's the question, kiddo

"Mara" is probably voidtongue for "child"

[fast dew]

Mara is just the nickname for the operator, a bit too femme for me but yk

[restive river]

(Mara def means something akin to child)

[pale cedar]

It also made no logical sense, ignoring the ability

[fast dew]

Internal nickname, i should specify

[restive river]

Oh hey
Is the new awakening more accurate to the cinematic now?

I recall the big stairs

[fast dew]

Oh probably

[restive river]

You have Pedro for male Drifter

[pale cedar]

Like it's meant to be us and we were asleep at the time

[restive river]

Sumo forgor

[fast dew]

Pedro pascal is so gender tho so its fine

[humble sierra]

Nah I feel like the cinematic has them in large plains, while the tower ingame is on some sort of cliffy area

[fast dew]

Hes also fine too, shout out Pedro pascal

[pale cedar]

DE really should have given pointers

[restive river]

The land really shifted a lot in a thousand years

[restive river]

Or the lore bible

[opaque zenith]

I can atest for the broken prime bolkors being there, and the 7 statues seems to be just out of frame enough to not be a continuity issue

[restive river]

Neat!

[fast dew]

THE GIANT ASS ALBRECHT STATUES ARE THEY IN THE INTRO CUTSCENE

I love that they have that there

One intact and one. Broken

[restive river]

Omg like him and wallyyyy

[fast dew]

Righttt

I love how he is now one of the first people you will ever see starting the game now

[brazen sable]

Crazy part of it me and my coworker were having conversations about the belly of the beast and it came to mind. Part of me water to believe that she was just another version of us that accidentally transferred her mind to us by accident

[pale cedar]

The quests actually released the same day

So it explains why we see Albrecht

[ocean geyser]

Mara is a representation of us, rather than actually being us

[ocean geyser]

Hm
Fair enough
(The argument was over whether or not one is allowed to simp for Nezha lmao)

[fast dew]

Figured. Hence why I added in the mental state part

Even if its a child, they have no real means to consent, if its a copy at the very least. You could make the argument that the original might not be mentally broken but I doubt it wouldn't be

Only one I could see being okay is Umbra lol

[pale cedar]

The question might be if a kid can even handle becoming a frame

We do know Infested things generally are above concepts like aging

[strange turtle]

I think you mean even if its not?

[fast dew]

Yeah 😭

Typed that rushing

[opaque zenith]

Bro wasted plat rushing a text

[pale cedar]

I probably tripped Thomas up by talking in DMs with him

I regret nothing if that's the case though

[worn cypress]

where is stated that the corpus wants to build the solar rail ?

[fast dew]

Yeah 💔

[fast dew]

Postal dude ass sentence

[opaque zenith]

I know of them controling the constructed rails, like a border tax company, but wanting to build one from the ground up, never heard it

[worn cypress]

ok about the first part ?

like where was it knouwn

[fast dew]

mm, i vaguely recall senda, for some reason. or was it pluto?

[opaque zenith]

The orbiter radio sometimes cacth corpus doing this job

[pale cedar]

@strange turtle
You got the thing that says it?

[opaque zenith]

As for an example: "Corpus transport ehught-chee-ehught-chee (8383), stand by for Infestation scan. Corpus transport ehught-chee-ehught-chee, scans indicate Infestation, Code Yellow. Prepare your organic crewman for decontamination."

[radiant pier]

I wonder if they have an actual decontamination protocol or it's just

[strange turtle]

Hold on

[strange turtle]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/outdated-starchart/

[opaque zenith]

But the most often is message of grineer controling the rails, but they're at war so it makes sense for it to be split in control "Bre-nek-tok-transport, broadcast your passage visa now. Passage visa accepted. Bre-nek-tok, you're free to go. Hail to the Queens."

[strange turtle]

@worn cypress if you just meant the one between Origin and Tau, here

[worn cypress]

where is the descriptions from ?

[strange turtle]

Says on the link

Star chart used to have them

[pale cedar]

We've had multiple iterations of the starchart and info has changed over time

The Void one is almost devoid of info

Void

Ancient Orokin places are hidden here.

At least they rectified that when they added the current chart

“Originally we studied Void occurrences from afar, observing and cataloguing the distribution of galaxies and refining cosmological evolution models. We are in a new age of cosmic exploration. Advancements in space travel partnered with determined curiosity have brought us closer to our object of study, and with it, revelation.”

[worn cypress]

is entrati now the most important character ?

[pale cedar]

He's the most important if we want to defeat Wally but not the most important character in the game

[humble sierra]

Yeah the most important character in the game is (after us, of course) still probably Lotus

[strange turtle]

The most important character is Popcorn

[opaque zenith]

-# cues the unnamed ghoul defector with a stell chair

[twin wigeon]

❌

most important character is Rook

[pale cedar]

The most important character is Clem

[radiant pier]

so what you're saying is

De Void is Devoid of info?

[pale cedar]

It was

Then we got Albrecht being Albrecht and the Orokin wanting to use it

[pine thistle]

Ballas was one of the most important during his era

Prob #3 in 2021 or so

[fast dew]

@restive river I FOUND THAT POST ABOUT THEM NOT LIKING THAT THE KIDS DID CONTINUITY

[smoky gulch]

Who's the person discussed?

[fast dew]

Son and daughter, son has done continuity and apparently thats

Bad for the lore, or they. Don't like jt

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, I get that, the Entrati aren't some sort of "good, immaculate Orokin"

[fast dew]

I thought it was. Pretty obvious that they would've done it

[smoky gulch]

They're people with a lot of issues and product of society they lived in

[restive river]

You didn’t expect
The Orokin
To do a known Orokin thing
???

Me when I’m surprised by there being a fork in my kitchen ig

[blissful merlin]

😭🤣

[narrow pendant]

this is how i imagine some american child learning that the founding fathers were slave owners

[restive river]

Product of their society to a point though

[blissful merlin]

The way I spit my drink out lmao

[fast dew]

Nono, specifically those Hamilton fans that lowkey fandomised the musical

Thats how i imagine they learn that these dawgs are
Evil

[unkempt linden]

Also it's Kermerros. Son.
The attention-seeking attention-craving little shit who threw a tantrum and infected the family because mommy wasn't paying enough attention to him

[narrow pendant]

ppl thinking albrecht stopping continuity bc he values basic human life when it was mainly just bc of the possibility that hes the wally copy

[fast dew]

Thats. Grossly misinterpreting what happened

[restive river]

Which he isn’t
He’s just afraid lol

[fast dew]

Understandably so, he can be afraid sometimes, as a treat

[fast dew]

Brother was. Neglected, pretty badly 😭 mother did the whole. Golden child bullshit with daughter

Which harms both children pretty bad, but its often the neglected one that'll lash out

[unkempt linden]

He's excessively vain and was under the impression they favoured his sister

[fast dew]

I mean

[cunning ore]

and he also the one giving some good primer-pet and good mods in nuking. So i think he did a so-so, despite having used The Continuity

[fast dew]

They did, it wasn't the impression, they did

[midnight ice]

Got the history lesson where the Founding Fathers werent just a bunch of benelovent rappers with cravats. Oh I don't have the articulation to say how I really don't like that in the books now.

[fast dew]

Son was and often still is treated as a failure

[restive river]

Nah
As a punishment

[unkempt linden]

Look, I'm sorry but he's still not really a good person for what he did. Cool story, still eff'd

[fast dew]

I mean I'm not saying he is

You just had a. Pretty bad interpretation of what happened

[cunning ore]

[restive river]

I believe thomas is explaining son’s actions, not excusing them lol

[fast dew]

It would be the same as me saying that Petros hated Albrecht and wanted to make his wife get over the loss of him, and that Euleria had every right to abuse him

Like I can see the logic but I dont think thats. The interpretation the game wants you to take

He did want to help his wife get over Albrecht "dying" but not in a malicious way

He did the. "I can fix her" mistake

[unkempt linden]

Mother was emotionally abusive in general
Father was awful, stubborn, and belittled daughter's efforts
Daughter wasn't supposed to be there because stowaway
Son wasn't getting the attention he craved despite the overall screwed up situation of living in a bio-bombed moon. All of them were tense, Son is the one who took it excessively wrong.

[fast dew]

Mother mightve been rightfully angry after getting told to give up on finding her dad [I suppose stubbornness/mild delusion runs in the family] but like

Its not okay for her to do it

[unkempt linden]

Like, they were ALL screwed up. The situation was terrible all-around. Son for some reason took that personally

[fast dew]

Daughter being a racist asshole slipped your mind i assume? Why was she not listed to have any faults lol

Yeah

Its his family

Hes gonna take it personally

Thats. Kinda what happened

[restive river]

It’s a miracle they hadn’t killed each other before we arrived lol

[fast dew]

Not for lack of trying tbf

They did it at dinner time a lot

[unkempt linden]

Exactly, so I don't think I'm wrong with my original statement. It condenses a lot, but ultimately Son being a continuation user is no surprise because of how he is

[fast dew]

But

[restive river]

And these are some of the “better” Orokin

[fast dew]

Thats not what you are saying dawg, you're belittling the abuse son went through by ridiculing the response to it

Belittling. Minimising?

[cunning ore]

Well, that's every Orokin household issue tho, especially when that a "family" of "Orokin".

[restive river]

(Said abuse is more of an explanation of his actions rather than an excuse for them)

[fast dew]

It. Was an overreaction to normal people

What son went through did not allow him to form normally

[restive river]

I wonder if the bike houses fought like this

Maybe they did the Orokin equivalent to mario kart instead of
Attempted murder

[fast dew]

True..

The way I've pelted controllers at my older sister lmao

[unkempt linden]

Exactly. Explanation of his actions or not, his actions were still the worst of them because of his own developed notion that he was being ignore over his sister when they were ALL equally messed up

[fast dew]

Uno was a particularly violent ordeal

[cunning ore]

Since their world only sumed in philosophy words to make things elegant, that lessly to heavy every burdens come from the issues.

[restive river]

They all have their fair share of genuinely horrible actions

[fast dew]

Yeah
No he. Was being ignored

[restive river]

Grandmother literally did worse than Son LOL

[unkempt linden]

Grandmother let it happen

[fast dew]

It wasn't even a developed notion

He was actively being neglected

[unkempt linden]

They all were

[restive river]

Grandmother put the heart in danger, it literally went down at one point, she endangered everything cause her family was squabbling

[fast dew]

Yeah not to the extreme son was

It is particularly damaging to put two children against each other

[restive river]

Albrecht unintentionally neglects his kid
Then she unintentionally neglects her kid
Vicious cycle

[fast dew]

Its something that'll make that a lot worse

You're still minimising what happened to son because "everyone was neglected"

Firstly we don't even know about Father for one, he might just be a prick sometimes

[restive river]

I understand generalizing them but when we’re specifically putting one under the microscope the others neglect issues aren’t the focus

[fast dew]

Mhm

Like lets not forget Daughter cut off Father's arm

She mutilated her father

Father was just going through it lmao

[restive river]

Probably not the worst thing an Orokin kid did to their dad tbh

[fast dew]

There's. Probably ones who've killed their parents without a qualm

Roathe would be one of them i feel, if they didn't abandon him lmao

Him being parentless explains a bit about him

[restive river]

Had the continuity ready
Did it over and over and over and over

[restive river]

“Fatherless aberration”

[fast dew]

They're all messed up but like. Let's not minimise Son's trauma by saying he only perceived he was being neglected

I've known people whose had far worse crashouts than that

Also I

Do not think son is particularly vain?

[restive river]

Grandmother wasn’t even neglected
She was just tired of her stupid family being stupid lol

[restive river]

He’s an Orokin
Vanity is built in to some extent

[fast dew]

Unless they nearly die

Then it gets. Stripped from them

[restive river]

Eh

[fast dew]

No, wait. Roathe is still like that

Only example is Albrecht and

He probably already thought very little about himself lmao

[restive river]

You can’t tell me Albrecht wasn’t a little vain when he made a clothing brand and made his own lil obol hat

[fast dew]

How is making his own clothes vain smh

[restive river]

He’s not Ballas levels, nowhere near
But c’moon

[fast dew]

Hes just autistic! He likes his obols/j

[restive river]

Two things can be true

[fast dew]

I imagine they're. Very calming to rub

Ducky thats why the /j is there

[restive river]

[pale cedar]

"Orokin didn't have parents like you do, it was done differently then"

[cunning ore]

hey hey how about we sum up that this Entrati Family mental issue not sick like Ballas?

[fast dew]

Test tube baby and thrown into an orphanage?

[fast dew]

Ballas was mentally ill, he's just a narcissist asshole

[cunning ore]

Till now we only got the Paracesis from Ballas but the Entrati gave us more soo

[pale cedar]

Probably eugenics

[cunning ore]

well, he both, i agreed of that

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean

Thats kinda what made Euleria

[cunning ore]

but he far more worse than Entrati Family tho

[fast dew]

Her parents were fit together for their genetic make-up

[restive river]

Do we know that for her mother :?

[fast dew]

Mhm

[restive river]

Idr everything we have on her
I just know it’s not a lot lol

[fast dew]

New son line

[restive river]

Ah

[fast dew]

Somewhere in here

WRONG ONE

Throwing myself

[pale cedar]

"Albrecht and Gerivaine... it was an arranged business, you understand. Compatible genes, genius offspring guaranteed. No love in the mix to complicate things."

[fast dew]

This one mb

Shout out son for wanting to kill himself

[pale cedar]

All of the Family now know about Wally

[restive river]

Ah
I am not surprised lol

[fast dew]

Son is. Particularly mature actually

And. Thinks Loid is "Ravishing"

Loid is canonically attractive letsgo

[pale cedar]

Haven't checked each lines but Mother, Father and Grandmother mention him

[restive river]

He feels guilt for letting in the infestation, yes?
Or did I imagine that

[cunning ore]

👀

[pale cedar]

And Son

[cunning ore]

that really sth

[fast dew]

He probably does but the line he says it in just expresses frustration that he
Can't kill himself 😭

[restive river]

Lmao

[pale cedar]

“They're making the exact same mistakes with the Indifference that they made with the Infestation. Shun it, judge it, shut it out. They're afraid of what it might say to them."

[restive river]

Y’know
I wonder if the family has taken as they have (well over a thousand years) to subsume into the infestation due to their vast lifespans
Like
They have a lot of memories

[fast dew]

"Life continues to be hell, and unfortunately i can't end it, because i don't think any of my vital organs are vital anymore."

[restive river]

Son’s a Wally truther omg

[fast dew]

Oh no son

[lean garden]

The infestation: Alright, you know the drill prepare to be infodumped
The Entrati: No u

[fast dew]

Roathe liker Daughter or wally defender Son what would you choose

[restive river]

Exaaactly

[restive river]

Is there a nonbinary option that also isn’t terrible

[fast dew]

Void spirit Xaku :)

[restive river]

I’ll take that one

1/3rd of the void spirits

[unkempt linden]

Varzia

She got the thirst lines for both genders of characters

[fast dew]

Hades actually existed hold on

Or. Like. Existed in the orokin empire

[restive river]

She ain’t nonbinary

[fast dew]

As in a concept

[unkempt linden]

Oh wait yea, sorry wrong definition
Bi icon, not nonbinary

[fast dew]

Maybe. Maybe Albrecht just had a lotta old books

Like I know he did but like

[restive river]

During one of the many many iterations of Duviri the greek gods were called out
Iirc specifically Hermes

[restive river]

She do be a bi icon
A bicon if you will

[fast dew]

Maybe its just from Albrecht's insane ass library

[restive river]

He was the last bookkeeper

[fast dew]

Wonder if he ever pretended to be a librarian..

[restive river]

I can’t wait for Parvos to steal all the books and shove them into his AI slop machine (he’s trying to recreate the sentients (he just made chatgpt (we have to kill him now more than ever)))

[zenith ore]

Seeing jades story once again is digging a hole through my heart

[cunning ore]

and it make you upset at me more

[pale cedar]

He’ll never catch me

[zenith ore]

True

[restive river]

Keep running

[fast dew]

Murder time

[cunning ore]

i also trigger Stalker pretty much so i dk, such a life

[opaque zenith]

Last corpus AI tentative ended in a capital-ship serving as firework, surelly they learned from that (they didn't and made a spider after)

[cunning ore]

here go my loadout

[zenith ore]

Imagine using a pregnant woman as a killing machine 😭💔

[cunning ore]

If the AI made from human, would it still be an AI?

[restive river]

What

[fast dew]

Well

[zenith ore]

Huh

[restive river]

Yeah????

[fast dew]

No, its not artificial

[pale cedar]

It's funny how people say Nitohk will be the next Villain when by the same logic people use Parvos can be the next villain

[restive river]

Oh I see

If it’s made FROM humans

Cephalons are not AI, no.

[zenith ore]

Ah

[fast dew]

as in. If the ai is physically from a human like a cephalon

[zenith ore]

Ordis does not remember his past life does he?

[cunning ore]

Last i remember of that loud Exploiter Orb thing

[restive river]

If he’s in constellations he’s the next villain

[woven coyote]

All corpus proxies are AI driven

[opaque zenith]

Kinda does, but it's a loop of remembering and chossing to self-amnesia himself

[restive river]

He fragmented himself

[cunning ore]

I actually expect a boss-fight like Nihil from The Executors

[zenith ore]

Interesting

[opaque zenith]

Yep, they'll never learn, but at least these are restrained (don't mind the multiple proxy rebelion alerts...)

[pale cedar]

Timeless?
Time to unplug him temporarily and see how timeless he really is

[zenith ore]

BTW who talks to ordis in the ascension mission?

[pale cedar]

Parvos

[woven coyote]

Parvos granum, founder of the corpus

[zenith ore]

Oh

[fast dew]

ITS SO SAD

[pale cedar]

This is what I meant by Parvos has been shown more so is more likely by the logic people use

[zenith ore]

So who's happier orokin him or the glass him

[opaque zenith]

Right, the deadlock quest is optional. Oh well

[loud oriole]

DE please give us a mini cinematic of Ordan Karris and my life is yours

[fast dew]

He wasn't orokin and

I imagine Ordan wasn't happy either

[pale cedar]

Parvos acts like an Orokin without being Orokin

[zenith ore]

Are you sure?

[dusk temple]

He was offered to be made Orokin but refused the offer and they glassed him for it.

[fast dew]

The happiness he would've felt probably was fleeting and only in the moment

[dusk temple]

He also killed a few Orokin beforehand.