lore-discussion

[stiff beacon]

as it was described after being shot

then replicating like a starfish

and adapting

[queen shale]

Why is adis dead? Is he stupid?

[stiff fable]

Sentient adaptation has a limit

And they have cores as brains

[stiff beacon]

did none of you read the crewman entry

[queen shale]

No :3

[stiff beacon]

DO IT NOW

[stiff beacon]

bro got rid of his self revives

[queen shale]

I don't have it in my codex and the wiki is being stingy.

[shut token]

Do we have a map of the countries in 1999?

[stiff beacon]

kinda

theres a map of the world in the above ground zoo tile somewhere

though its partial and doesnt have any names last time i checked

and if we go of the kimchats on top it, its basically the same as our 1999 with the names being differrent and hollvania being on it

[shut token]

Gotcha

I might get an empty map and start filling it out like a crossword puzzle as we get country names

[ashen pulsar]

iirc we know like 5-6

[restive river]

If it helps the continents are the same it seems

[ashen pulsar]

wait no we know a lot more

Britannia - great britain
höllvania
Jipangu - japan
Canata - Canada
United states of libertatia - USA
Xaymaca - Jamaica
Rus - russia
Gaulle - france
aztlán - mexico
kemet - egypt

there's more but we dont know em

the irl equivalents, that is

[brittle siren]

Is the continent in Warframe's current time still the same as irl?

What I mean is do they move at all after however long since 1999?

[stiff beacon]

thats canata with a k

cause its using the original spelling

or well closer to it

[ashen pulsar]

its canata in warframe

ik where it comes from

[stiff beacon]

a firstnations word meaning town or home i think

told to one the french settlers of quebec

[ashen pulsar]

ik

[vagrant zephyr]

That’s probably somewhere in BC they’re coastal and have mountains

Also a lot of Asian immigrants I do believe

[restive river]

Oh where did we get Kemet from :o

[ashen pulsar]

velimir or minerva

[ashen pulsar]

probably, but could be a lake

[strange plinth]

mhm

MomToxicated: The gods of Ancient Kemet. Bastet, Osiris, Ra, Thoth.
r5c4

[dire mountain]

Yup

[dire mountain]

You are so quick on the draw its impressive

[vagrant zephyr]

If that’s the case it’s probably a tossup between BC and Ontario

[restive river]

It really is

[ashen pulsar]

idk, could be alberta for all we know

[dire mountain]

We know a couple cities also

Like Hamburg

[vagrant zephyr]

Alberta dry as hell and it sucks so I’d like to think not cuz I hate the place lmao

[restive river]

Home of the hamburger?

[ashen pulsar]

tenochtitlan, too

[ashen pulsar]

near banff? could absolutely be alberta
most likely bc tho

[vagrant zephyr]

Yeah

BC if by near water she means the ocean and Ontario if lakes count I guess maybe she means superior

DE are based in Ontario so it wouldn’t be much of a stretch for them to have there be one of their characters from the same general area lol

[ashen pulsar]

surrounded by mountains would be a stretch

if ontario

[vagrant zephyr]

I mean Ontario is hilly enough

[ashen pulsar]

hills, sure

[vagrant zephyr]

maybe not mountains as in “big ol rocky capped mountains” but I think some spots are high enough to count

Tho prolly not down in London where DE is actually based

Idk haven’t been there

(It’s probably just BC)

[stiff beacon]

yea its vancouver

only major city up here with that sort of geography

<doesnt help its technically like 5 cities in a trench coat>

[humble sierra]

It helps that Grey wrote the dialogues and is secretly Kat Kingsley in disguise

[humble sierra]

It's quite flat between London and Toronto

[vagrant zephyr]

Maybe she’s from some bs like Thunder Bay

I forgot if it’s actually hilly there it was just the worst place on the Great Lakes I could think of off the top of my head

[stiff beacon]

mate

your west coastel denial is wild

its vancouver

[humble sierra]

So, listening to Drip (which isn't even in the game besides a Somachord, DE really just made a song for fun)

Look at the blood, look at the ink, watchin' it drip
Coming up empty feels like a shot from the hip
I'm 'bout to know your whole soul and loosen the grip
Look at the blood, look at the ink, watchin' it drip

What do you think this means? Reference to Kuva? Follie's therapy techniques being used for interrogation?

[tall echo]

Technically yes

[daring tusk]

can amar and voruna make babies?

[tall echo]

Cease

[humble sierra]

We still don't know if Warframes can get pregnant

[eager briar]

Yo what happened to jades operator?

[lean garden]

honk mimimimimi

[eager briar]

So they just went brain dead?

[lean garden]

literally all we know

[lean garden]

woah there no one said any of that

I said honk mimimimi

[eager briar]

I mean honk minimimi for 1000 years straight? I think we can start making some conclusions

[lean garden]

you did that already prior to the start of the game

is your tenno brain dead?

[eager briar]

I mean, the second dream is pretty different to transference

I’m assuming it would be closer to what happened to rell minus Wally

[lean garden]

high doubt, rell bound himself to harrow, jade just lulled her operator to sleep

[lean garden]

also, the Second Dream is transference

Lotus: "The Orokin murdered Margulis - used her work to create 'Transference'. Your mind - projected into a surrogate, strong enough to withstand your power. It felt like waking up, but it was just a lucid - second dream

[restive river]

Could Jade’s operator have been in the dream?

Wouldn’t that depend on Jade’s timeline

[eager briar]

Alright, I mean the big sleep that happens between the end of the orokin empire and awakening

[lean garden]

The kids would have been in the Dream from the get go

its how they figured that the kids were key to controlling warframes

because they all honk mimimimi

[eager briar]

I thought it started at margulis taking us to lua at the end of the old peace and we experienced the rest of the old war unable to transferout of the Warframe

[lean garden]

thats just our experience

as per the rhino prime codex and follie's hunt being in a pod was the default state for tenno

we just got to go to school

[eager briar]

Oh

[restive river]

So they woke em up for the old war during tau :?
is that right?

[lean garden]

Yea space mom said youre special

[lean garden]

thats what Ive understood, because otherwise all other mentions of tenno being in pods, from TSD, CoH, Rhino prime codex, follies hunt wouldn't really make sense

[eager briar]

Btw since every Tenno is technically Canon and you’re just the only plot relevant one does that mean we are the only one who woke up? Or did a random ember on Jupiter suddenly remember “oh wait I’m a child”

[lean garden]

like did they really wait that long to put the tenno in pods just to have The Orokin's Best Therapist™ pull them out occasionally to draw

[restive river]

True
True

[lean garden]

we only really know of one other cannon tenno who isnt in the Dream anymore, which is voruna's operator

[strange plinth]

though its a safe assumption that other tenno were also taken out of lua after tsd

[restive river]

Yeah

Lua quakes for one
And the other Tenno would just go there probably

The Grineer certainly did

[eager briar]

I still don’t understand how the ortholyst managed to choke the non-oxygen dependent Warframe

And why was tauron academy a two student school?

[lean garden]

well, for the most part the warframes are oxygen dependant, thats why we need life support

[lean garden]

pilot class

[stiff fable]

As far as I can tell the player and Adis are the test group

proof of concept

[lean garden]

if nothing went wrong, there would have been others

but everything went wrong

[eager briar]

you need more than two people for a test because as the results wouldn’t be proof that it would be a coincidence

[humble sierra]

Adis was special and we were special

[stiff fable]

It's actually likely that Tauron Academy was really being prepped as an Orokin staging ground for part 2 of the Old War

It's much more barracks than school even while we're there

[eager briar]

I suppose

[eager briar]

Then why don’t we have some sort of helmet on in the archwing

[stiff fable]

the ancient handwave was that the archwings produce life support fields or something

[lean garden]

archwing is attached to your ass, and its very much providing life support

[stiff fable]

but it's very handwave

[strange plinth]

mag prime codex has something about it, and there is a bubble around you when you're in archwing

[stiff fable]

(Going back a half step, we know that Tektolyst artifacts were distributed to other Tenno since the five in the Old Peace promo all have one)

[lean garden]

It reached me, rising up - a gleaming beast, a plume of golden wings rising and unfolding behind it. An angel. It snatched me from my death. I could feel my lungs fill as it wrapped me in its wings. Its Void Shield shimmered blue, strained under the enemy beams. I felt a suddenly tug of acceleration. I closed my eyes and held on it like a child.

relevant text

[eager briar]

What about the entryway to the kuva fortress? Open non-life supported space

[lean garden]

It seems that the area has some form of life support since they have grineer troops bumbling around the area

[strange plinth]

and it can be turned off for survival missions
-# i say missions like there isn't just the one kuva survival but whatever yk what i mean

[tall echo]

-# imagine having a league of legends server tag

[lean garden]

I mean the dude is Mordekaiser

[tall echo]

Is that a league character? Idk I only play good games

[daring tusk]

is the operator physically aging

[lean garden]

yes

[tall echo]

Once they get out of the cryo pod yes

[tall echo]

Well should be but yk, video game

[eager briar]

If only I could do that too

[tall echo]

Well switch has...
Idk. Fire emblem?

[stiff fable]

No, it has arguments over Fire Emblem

[eager briar]

I like fire emblem

[stiff fable]

No one actually plays FE they just want to cape for fascism while pretending Edelgarde did nothing wrong

(Fear the Deer! )

[eager briar]

I played engage

[stiff fable]

Engage is fine. Lots of FE fanservice, some solid maps

Honestly one of the worst stories in the franchise but it was meant as an anniversary project for superfans

[eager briar]

Riven mods are like if Lockheed Martin strapped a slot machine to a Minigun

[humble sierra]

Tenno can age, as seen with Rell (he wasn't put in cryosleep so he had to bond with Harrow to avoid dying of old age), but so far, not enough time has passed in-game for our player character to visibly age. New War tricks you into thinking that, though

[daring tusk]

how many more years before the lil jit can date kaya

[stiff fable]

over a million, they'll never be cool enough for her

[fast dew]

No clue

True..

• i get the sense kaya would find it weird lol

[strange plinth]

ignoring her personal reasons for not dating as well-

[fast dew]

Mhm

[pearl axle]

What's the lore reason that kuva can reroll rivens

Isn't kuva supposed to be biotech goop that stores/transfers consciousness

[fast dew]

Idk

[celest needle]

punch Samodeous full of red juice and he gives you something new

[pearl axle]

So it's not the kuva itself rerolling the rivens, we're just bribing a cephalon with a substance abuse problem???

[celest needle]

I guess or something

Kuva has no other use besides crafting

[pearl axle]

Yeah I know, lore wise it's such an important thing but mechanically it's just gambling for mods lol

[narrow pendant]

cephalon samodeus is supposed to be the creator of all rivens but given that DE backtracked on really introducing him it might be scrapped

but id say he can still be considered the creator of riven mods

his only name mention ingame is in calender riven reward descriptions

[smoky gulch]

He would be target of unspeakable violence by community if introduced

[dark compass]

Who could possibly voice such a monster

Neil Newbon(AGAIN)

[heady quest]

How many known cephalons are there even?

Wasn’t there a new one revealed for the Arbiters?

[fast dew]

Id love that ngl

Neil is such a good VA

Just has a tendency to voice.

Guys like astarion

[humble sierra]

Off the top of my head
Cy
Ordis
Suda
Otak
Loid (but not really)
Simaris
Melica (Zariman teacher)
Drusus
Samodeus
The ones in Conclave
The one in Index
Nihil

[narrow pendant]

loid isnt one as turning someone into a cephalon doesnt leave behind their body

with drusus we also never get specifically told if he is one or not, but it could be that he is one who willingly became one which let him design his appearance beyond a geometric shape

nihil isnt a cephalon either

as he is theoretically able to get out of the oubliette if we let him
edit: the wiki categorizes him under cephalon, however in his article he is only ever stated that he glassed himself which isnt being a cephalon, and is reversable

other known ones are daklo (VOID LUGGEEEEERR), Jordas, Sark (index) Apnar and Vull (cephalon capture, conclave)

[narrow pendant]

oh nvm its hinted that loid was cloned for his construct version,
Loid, 'Research Dante' menu: "Dante shared the Entrati fascination with bones. I was content to let him explore our old burial vaults and ossuaries, but his request to examine my own replicated skull was a step too far. Otherwise his manners were impeccable."

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure drusus is either a cephalon or an ai because he does indeed have a body that he sold away to granum iirc

its in one of the armatus mission dialogues

[narrow pendant]

it could be that he is the program of the leverian itself and replaced the cephalon name with leverian bc of it

as in, hi im drusus wikipedia lol

[twin wigeon]

i wonder, what is the leverian anyway

[narrow pendant]

a museum

[twin wigeon]

ik that but WHERE

[narrow pendant]

weave

[twin wigeon]

ah

so like a datascape

[narrow pendant]

yes

[twin wigeon]

sick

[narrow pendant]

you enter it in octavias anthem where you fight directly against hunhows digital form

[twin wigeon]

ahhhhh

i wonder if the cephalon know of each other

ik suda, ordis, and simaris

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[narrow pendant]

they can reach out to each other

such as jordas sending out distress signals

[pale cedar]

They’re all in the same location

They can however create their own location within the location

[twin wigeon]

jordas is interesting

[narrow pendant]

ok better formulation of what i tried to say with why drusus and nihil dont use the cephalon name, it could be that cephalon specifically is for those who had their personality altered as part of their execution process and becoming a tool, while those who are still themselves or willingly became one have the right to keep their own name

[pale cedar]

Nihil isn’t actually a Cephalon as he was never actually transformed into one he was just glassed

[narrow pendant]

it is known that drusus when he was still an archimedian dedicated his life to cataloguing orokin history so its likely that he became a cephalon to be able to do so for eternity

[narrow pendant]

yeah the wiki weirdly categorizes him with the cephalons even tho his article stating what you said

[twin wigeon]

the infestation corrupted him right, Jordas i mean

[narrow pendant]

yes

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[twin wigeon]

thats weird

[narrow pendant]

mutalist strain specifically

[twin wigeon]

mutalist can infect tech wot

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[narrow pendant]

alad edited it to be able to interface with corpus tech

[twin wigeon]

so advanced techrot

[narrow pendant]

yes

[twin wigeon]

wow alad v is really smartt

[pale cedar]

He’s Smupid

[twin wigeon]

first sentient corpus hybrids and now infestation corpus hybrid

[smoky gulch]

Salad V is the kind of genius that fails basic logic, but can make hyper-advanced tech

[narrow pendant]

wiki mentions 2 more; Acetuma, mentioned by melika and Cordylon who is a warframe forum acc run by DE

only between 2015 and 16 lol

[twin wigeon]

ehhhhhh cordy doesnt count

[pale cedar]

Cordylon was basically replaced by KIM

[narrow pendant]

alad V has an official forum acc

[twin wigeon]

Drippy!

[narrow pendant]

so id count cordylon as canon too

[pale cedar]

Cordylon is canon but outdated in some areas

[twin wigeon]

why does he have an account

what bugs is he reporting

[narrow pendant]

specifically to beef with ruk

https://forums.warframe.com/profile/482825-aladv/

[pale cedar]

Example that comes to mind with Cordylon being outdated is someone asked why we don’t go after the Queens which we eventually do

[ocean geyser]

Us going after the queens sorta feels like we’re just stumbling upon them too but yk

[pale cedar]

They probably weren’t even the main target

We were chasing Teshin iirc

I don’t think we knew their base was Kuva Fortress or anything

[narrow pendant]

ik this was just a joke at the time but if alad v has a 2nd name greg then the guy in 1999 called gregory v makes you really wonder...

[pale cedar]

It’s all connected

[narrow pendant]

id honestly be not suprised of what alad v can get away with if he actually managed to go to 1999 lmfao

[smoky gulch]

Would that make amalgams and mutalists... Gregtech?

[narrow pendant]

also; the antivirus called Anti-V being an obvious reference to him lol

[pale cedar]

Anti-Virus

Alad-Virus

[narrow pendant]

me when alad sends his amalgams but i pull out the anti V

[strange turtle]

The minecraft mod thing?

[smoky gulch]

Exactly the pun

[daring tusk]

is the song that plays when you go near flare in the bar sold by aoi?

[opaque zenith]

It's a song released in 1999, which means everytime Aoi records it, it gets looped into inexistence on new year so she didn't bother (the boring answer: no)

[zenith ore]

[fast dew]

Kinda sad but ah well

[daring tusk]

i wish the flare defense song was in somachord

is jade supposed to be a musical frame too?

[pale cedar]

What makes you think that?

[daring tusk]

evensong/cantare/harmony this doesnt ring any bell to you?

[pale cedar]

The weapon names are just designed as the opposite of Stalkers emotional states

[fast dew]

Not particularly

Shes. Themed off a choir, if that counts

[tall echo]

Ah yes, the opposite of despair
Cantare

Hope? What's that?

[ashen pulsar]

hello
I've been waiting here for you
evensong

[pale cedar]

Im not saying it as that moreso emotional state Stalker always being angry and with a ton of Despair and Jade having harmony instead

[daring tusk]

evensong, thoughts arrive like butterflies

[radiant pier]

HOW DO I GET THE HEX ROMANCE SCENE @fast dew

[daring tusk]

hence musical. checkmate 80yeasts

[radiant pier]

I GOT THE MESSAGE FROM LETTIE HOW DO I DO THIS

[fast dew]

Gotta wait till new years

[radiant pier]

NOOOO

[daring tusk]

but when you unlock it you can replay it over and over again from the inbox

[radiant pier]

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT THEN :<<<

[fast dew]

Oh theres a button down the bottom

The cutscene autoplays for me

[radiant pier]

OH

THE MASSIVE PLAY BUTTON

worth it

YES

[fast dew]

Dumbass 😭

[radiant pier]

DAMN DID THEY JUST MAKE OUT

[tall echo]

Indeed

[radiant pier]

WHAT WAS WIT THE SHAKING

oh damn

it's a sign guys

[fast dew]

You can get a new years with kalymos, we hug her

[tall echo]

??

A sign of what

[radiant pier]

that I should date that person that's 5 years older

that's my type

[tall echo]

Wh

[tall echo]

No your type is foreign depressed masochists, based on lettie

[fast dew]

Lettie is a sadist aint she?

[radiant pier]

that's also taller and stronger

[radiant pier]

the correct term is sadomasochist

[tall echo]

Of course you know

[tall echo]

Both

[radiant pier]

no shit sherlock I want to be pinned to the wall

viciously

this is no secret

I am tired of being the top it's getting BORING

[fast dew]

Im so sorry

[radiant pier]

what

[pale cedar]

Become Wally then

[radiant pier]

pinned to the wall not BE the wall

[tall echo]

Weak

[pale cedar]

When you’re pinned to the Wall you become the Man trapped in the wall

[radiant pier]

wdym weak it's LAME, AND BORING

[tall echo]

Sure

[fast dew]

-# Idk man i think both is fun

[split quartz]

While i'm in the process of making a build for my Caliban, this had me thinking
did they use a normal human warrior to be turned into Caliban or did they use a sentient?

[pale cedar]

Sentients are immune to the Infestation so it would be amalgamation stuff

[opaque zenith]

Bet on Blender

[split quartz]

damn

[twin wigeon]

Like grafted together I’d assume

[radiant pier]

yeah but top ALL THE TIME? LAMEEEEE

LAMEEEE

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LAME-OOOOOO

all the guys in the hex are bottoms

don't @ me

[twin wigeon]

Nuh uh

Def not Eleanor or Lettie

[tall echo]

Lmao no

[opaque zenith]

@lean anvil

[tall echo]

"All the guys"
lists non-guys

[radiant pier]

what the

oh you replied to me that's why I got pinged I was so confused

[tall echo]

How do you ping the wrong joel

[opaque zenith]

They said to not @ them

[twin wigeon]

Oh

Def not Quincy

[ashen pulsar]

ohh nice one

[narrow pendant]

imanAngel

[strange turtle]

Shaking?

[radiant pier]

them

[opaque zenith]

K, changed

[radiant pier]

awesome

[celest needle]

Why is the Corpus so male dominated?

[pale cedar]

Someone has to be bread winners of the family

[celest needle]

Like they have women in their ranks to recruit to become sisters but all of their leaders are male and crewmen seem to be male

[dreamy oyster]

The Voice Synth is Female

There a tone difference in voice pattern

Shoot helmet and see the uglier is a woman disfigured

[pale cedar]

Have we actually seen the entire Board though?

[dreamy oyster]

Kill nd See

[ocean geyser]

The scrambus are female from what i can tell
Some captains in RJ are female too

[narrow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/programming-code-vibe-coding-program-gif-3049533733041174981

real world indifference at work here

[stiff fable]

huh

So I just dropped a million credits on the Leverian

Drussus clearly says "with that much I could buy my body" before catching himself

[tall echo]

yep, and before the whole dante thing that line made it certain he was a solaris

[zenith ore]

How come yareli and nokko are always together dancing?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWJmY2Q2MDNicng2YTVjZmlwZTQ2NjdrdWkxeWd2YjJ5OGs0ejExazdyN2NxbTFmMyZlcD12MV9naWZzJmN0PWc/4AwFO4f2VLo2fIFFA2/200w.gif

[pale cedar]

Because you selected that animation

[zenith ore]

How come he has such one, where does yareli appear from

[tall echo]

designers: "give nokko the vibe of being yareli's little brother"
animators: make that animation

[ashen pulsar]

in design, nokko was made with “yareli’s little brother” in mind as a way to get his energy on point.
he might not actually be, but they threw her in

[pale cedar]

He isn’t actually

[zenith ore]

Sooooo, he's her little brother?

[pale cedar]

It’s a vibe

[zenith ore]

People say they're best friends, cousins, siblings. Idk what to believe

Friends seems more understandable

[ashen pulsar]

They’re nothing until proven otherwise

[zenith ore]

Aight then, I'll give de a call and tell them to make them siblings

[pale cedar]

It’s like when you have a friend that is so good enough you see them as related to you despite not actually being related

[zenith ore]

Yeah that makes more sense

[pale cedar]

Nokko isn’t the only frame with the animation either

There’s a Grendel and Gauss one too

[zenith ore]

Yeah they're not clear either

The relationship im

[ashen pulsar]

no, they very much are

[pale cedar]

Grendel and Gauss are canonically best friends

[zenith ore]

Really?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[zenith ore]

The fatass and the fit dude

[ashen pulsar]

common dynamic

[tall echo]

and fanonically "they were roommates!"

https://tenor.com/view/they-were-roommates-ohmygod-ohmygod-they-were-roommates-gif-13171811792749378048

[dusk temple]

One eats all the calorically dense foods so the other wont be tempted to.

[pale cedar]

I heard Grendel in ball form is actually faster than Gauss

[zenith ore]

Smart dynamic

[zenith ore]

Can be

[tall echo]

can be on account of running on physics and being more maneuverable

[zenith ore]

With the right build

[ashen pulsar]

like karissh

mach rush should scale with strength/dur

THE speed frame is also the slowest speedframe

[tall echo]

mach rush should scale with range

[zenith ore]

Buff mach rush, make gauss actually the fastest not a thin fairy

[ashen pulsar]

ew

[tall echo]

more range=more distance

[zenith ore]

Smart

[ashen pulsar]

wouldn’t be fun

only nuke builds can run fast?

[tall echo]

well they're clearly allergic to making the speed boost scale off easy to increase stats

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-cringe-cringe-emoji-what-ew-gif-3295752925125371343

[ocean geyser]

Make mach rush scale off EVERYTHING

[zenith ore]

YES

[ocean geyser]

:3

[tall echo]

gotta sacrifice strength for range

[ashen pulsar]

multiplicatively

[tall echo]

The Sacrifice

[dusk temple]

How would it scale off of efficiency?

[ocean geyser]

Run long

[tall echo]

aerodynamic

[ashen pulsar]

more efficiency = less weight, less wasted movement

[tall echo]

ozempic

[dusk temple]

reduced energy consumption naturally

[zenith ore]

Why does Titania have a pen build

[ocean geyser]

A what

[tall echo]

oh btw

[ocean geyser]

:0

[celest needle]

[bumbledsteak]

[ocean geyser]

there's something strangely annoying about the fact that people still havent gotten that certain Sentients don't need Xenoflora to avoid returning to a Hivemind
because they ARE hiveminds themselves
main sentients and whatnot

why are they calling Xenoflora "truth bloom" 😭

rare instance where i wish i had a reddit account so i can say somethin

[twin wigeon]

wally transference into lotus mind

[tall echo]

redditor reading comprehension, "truth bloom" is a name for adis and ig "bc it's vaguely floral it must be referring to the xenoflora!"

[twin wigeon]

Truth bloom is kinda a title for adis yeah

[smoky gulch]

And here I thought somebody saw analogy between xenoflora and "fruit of knowing good and evil" too

[twin wigeon]

seeing as hes the only sentient, we know of, capable of reviving sentients or smth

[smoky gulch]

But no, it's reading incomprehension moment

[dire mountain]

Let me at them

[ashen pulsar]

natah was a basic sentient, right?

rather than a divided one

is it like that for all mimics or just her

[ocean geyser]

basic as in non-fragmented?

because im pretty sure she's like Hunhow and Erra

[ashen pulsar]

yea

I just made up that term but like
a “whole” sentient

[ocean geyser]

yeah

the mimics that show up on Lua are from her, back when she's Natah again

[ashen pulsar]

oh they’re parts of her?

missed that

[ocean geyser]

im pretty sure they are at least

[tall echo]

based on the fact mimic fragments only start showing up when natah, the original mimic, returns seems like a strong hint at least

[humble sierra]

I hope they patch the Hey Kiddo thing soon

I hate seeing my Operator look so basic

[fast dew]

The wh

Ohh

[humble sierra]

It just puts MITW in a basic Operator suit with your current colors, and no fancy star eyes

[fast dew]

Ewww

[tall echo]

Wally eyes used to just be either pure black or white when I started playing on switch

[celest needle]

depends on if he's feeling good or not

[tall echo]

Nah it was one of the two I just don't remember which

[clever linden]

Operator says “Orokin Houses clash all the time” other than House Entrati which we know a lot about, who are the other Orokin Houses?

[fast dew]

Probably the individual executor houses, but overall we don't know

[strange plinth]

i don't think we know of any other confirmed Houses
there's Petros Vorten, Father's old name, but beyond the "vortengeist labs," there's no other info on their importance
-# or if they're actually connected

[twin wigeon]

i think Zetki, Lavan, and Vidar are also orokin houses

[fast dew]

Probably the individual executor houses, but overall we don't know

[fast dew]

I think they are, Mother married Vilcor for. Probably because she did love him but he was also coincidentally the lead of his field

[strange plinth]

prolly
(update 27 patch notes)

[celest needle]

I dont know what crimes they did but they make some damn good railjack parts

[eager briar]

I stand corrected

[restive river]

Iirc their names have a tie to the atomicycles too

[strange plinth]

yea, ZeViLa was tied to the atomicycles i believe

[restive river]

That could be another point towards the proto-Orokin

Is ZeViLa has ties to ORO
Yeah :p

[celest needle]

Who names their house after a motorcycle company from millenia ago

[twin wigeon]

Ze-kti, Vi-dar, La-van :0

[strange plinth]

i could see ZeViLa gradually splitting into specialized Houses

[restive river]

Same family
Just split up

[stiff fable]

oh heck that's actually where they got it from yeah

seems to me that a bunch of the conspiracy really got underway in 1999

[fast dew]

Dont be shy show Albrecht's comment on it

[humble sierra]

I wonder who he was writing these for

[strange plinth]

-# "modify (benevolently)" would imply himself

[humble sierra]

Also I was gonna Inspect Element the page and make them even more snarky, then saw this

[stiff fable]

That's basically on every page fwiw

been in the site's code for about a decade

[humble sierra]

Ye

[restive river]

Suspiciously around the time the techrot came up

[humble sierra]

They definitely had other sneaky ones for the ARG though, I remember

[vestal vine]

I love the fact of Umbra walking himself around the orbiter according to Ordis

Something like a roomate

[restive river]

Scaldra works for ORO
They helped make the clones
ORO knows something about the infestation

[stiff fable]

Yeah, Oro is why I think Scaldra is the proto Dax, despite the physical Grineer resemblence

[fast dew]

Writing for himself for ways to modify the bikes he'd get for the hex

Albrecht watching as all his hard work gets blown up by Amir

[amber onyx]

so…

Umbra, huh?

wonder what his deal is…

[fast dew]

I mean do you want to know his deal?

[strange plinth]

the quest kinda tells you

[amber onyx]

I know

I am anticipating it

But I have to wait till tomorrow

[fast dew]

Ah

Protip, its a bad idea to enter lore spaces if you don't want spoilers

[amber onyx]

I’ve actually been surprisingly avoidant of spoilers!

-# (which doesn’t usually happen with media I interact with)

[fast dew]

Good! Keep it that way 😭

[amber onyx]

Actually, I think the only “major” spoiler I’ve encountered is the ||existence of the Drifter and who they are ||

but that was basically all my fault lol

[fast dew]

Nah, its the game being structured poorly

[amber onyx]

I suspected as much

[fast dew]

Actually im not gonna spoil anything but I will tell you to rank up the entrati family

And. Necraloid

[fleet furnace]

its been the one thing ive hated about how early you can access duviri, cause you get there and are like "whos this? how does any of this relate to the rest of the game?" and then other are like, "yeah you need to do new war to understand anything about that"

[fast dew]

Its how you get the helminth segments regardless but still

[amber onyx]

I was going to do that soon actually

[fast dew]

Good :)

[amber onyx]

I haven’t done really anything on Demois since I had to

I kinda forgot

[fast dew]

Hopefully do it before the new war

[stiff beacon]

its definitely a "wtf was i smoking" moment out of context

[fast dew]

That good nestawood or smthn

Gotta hit it with the gay butler ykim

[stiff beacon]

the good space kucshe

[fast dew]

-# genuine warframe lore btw

[amber onyx]

It unlocks like 2-3 missions before you even find the Operator, no?

I’m glad a clicked off it when I did though

this game has HOOKED me on it’s story

[fast dew]

-# gay butler does drugs with his sad boyfriend and greens out

[strange plinth]

a whole planet beforehand, yes
its. annoying.

[fast dew]

Guiding my baby tenno away from it

[fleet furnace]

hoenstly i cant remember, i think it unlocks about the same time as second dream? i know it used to be open from the start which lead to alot of confusion about how it relates to the rest of the game

[fast dew]

-# baby tenno as if he isnt a og closed beta player

[stiff beacon]

nah saturn

it unlocks at the uranus junction

[fleet furnace]

i honestly maintain that it should be locked until right before or after new war. in theory it should be merged with new war, but that uh, that new wars already long enough

[stiff beacon]

yea no one needs a drug trip in between monster hunting

[fast dew]

Speak for yourself

[amber onyx]

hmmmm

maybe I should grind for the last sevagoth prime part before the new war

might be funny

[fast dew]

Do it, sevagoth prime is just cool looking

[amber onyx]

I knowwwwww

[fast dew]

Liger does it once again

My only issue is. Its not very compatible with cosmetics

[amber onyx]

I immediately locked in base Sevagoth as my favorite when I first saw him (right next to Koumei)

and then his prime is just better in every way somehow (design wise)

[fast dew]

Thats Liger for you

They designed a lot

I. Cannot list any off the top of my head thats not spoilers

[fleet furnace]

||i do like the new game + ish feel of logging back in after act 1 of new war, i think it would actually be funny to be hit with a tutorial and have to go through duviri before getting back to the rest of TNW||

[amber onyx]

-# I actually have this little homage to sev in my quarters

[fast dew]

I have one of Yareli

I also have. A shrine full of spoilers lmao

[amber onyx]

the shrine that actually just kills you:

[fast dew]

True He does do that

He is capitalised for a reason.

[amber onyx]

👀

[fast dew]

:)

[twin wigeon]

Why does bagel have a shrine of Sombra?

[daring tusk]

do warframes still have brains

[fast dew]

||The best part is that its so ambiguous and and a reoccuring issue||

[amber onyx]

anyways I will go now

I am going to finish the sacrifice tomorrow as well as hopefully get to crafting sevagoth prime

and maybe do some random crap on Deimos

sounds like fun

[fast dew]

Ahh its fine, just dont fall into the pit i did by only doing isovaults instead of the actual highest bounty

[strange plinth]

yea

[daring tusk]

at least you get otak stuff for ranking

[stiff beacon]

i mean they some how still have mouths according to the rhino prime entry

[fast dew]

That was. Probably rectified after the fact

[stiff beacon]

probably

[daring tusk]

where is dagath neuroptics?

[fast dew]

Bye chat the evil tunnel is gonna nuke my signal

[daring tusk]

dont see anything in that donut hole

[stiff fable]

All of Dagath's parts are in the dojo

[strange plinth]

i mean, umbra still has that eye
the mouth's probably just sealed under the shell

[stiff fable]

Couldn't resist sorry

[daring tusk]

shouldnt her neuroptics be cheaper to craft

[stiff fable]

but yeah no it's a legitimate question and DE's just like "lol lmao even"

[fast dew]

Evil tunnel hasn't done the evil yet

Chances are she has them on the side of. The hole

Or helminth has other ways of visualising their surroundings

[strange plinth]

the frames are infested, the neuroptics do not necessarily need a direct location

[fast dew]

Echolocation or whatever

I imagine banshee would feel horrible if that was the case

[daring tusk]

i add the decoration to add eyes on my helminth so maybe that

[daring tusk]

i wonder if she gets mega migraines in solstice square

[stiff beacon]

nidus phryke skin be like

[fast dew]

Man I am hella bored

[stiff fable]

find a newbie in game and give them a random booster or color palette

[fast dew]

Dawg i am currently in the middle of nowhere 😭

Anyways welcome to me being abnormal over the composition of Yara Jeliira

There's. Two voices in the song

And by the second verse the second voice is only an echo :(

Gee wonder what that could be

[radiant pier]

I'll do you one better

let's go give someone a Protea Prime!

[fast dew]

I can't even ask for one i have one already 💔

[narrow pendant]

adding to my idea of giving ordis and necraloid sentinel skins voicelines like protoframes, add a daklo skin that will shout racist words to any faction

[celest needle]

why so narmer?

[fast dew]

Fights with reckless abandon

[fast dew]

Perhaps not narmer

Maybe just hunhow

[narrow pendant]

that circuit like design is overall sentient

[strange plinth]

its also quite similar to the stalker landing craft, for some reason

[narrow pendant]

xenoflora'd sentients have it in blue

well stalker has hunhow as his benefactor

[restive river]

I could see it being Hunhow or Narmer

[fast dew]

Great expectations sounding sentence
-# im sorry?

[narrow pendant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/912202635455647774/994918073536610435/canwegetmuchhigher.gif

[lean garden]

well someone needs to rebuild the rail

[fast dew]

Hunhow vs Narmer operation...

[restive river]

Exactly!
And they would be the two best options probably

[narrow pendant]

i heard a wonderful theory that hunhow dies and becomes the relay on uranus or the rail itself, having his last moments seeing tau

[celest needle]

He would be funding his possessed cult worshipping and dead sons corpse

[restive river]

The Corpus could do it but don’t have a motive

Tbh Constellations could give Hunhow a motive

[fast dew]

Mm, parvos can go become mcguffin man for a hot sec

[restive river]

Well his daughter needs to get to Tau somehow so
Maybe he Praghasa’s himself for her

[fast dew]

NO

[restive river]

Taking Albrecht’s job fr

Hunhow dying for his daughter would be good end for him, as sad as it is ):

[lean garden]

*half-dead son

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-gif-13555747940236673731

[narrow pendant]

this would be the constellations conclusion or start of tau

[restive river]

If mom doesn’t need to go then he could be the rail

[lean garden]

given that in the bad futures hunhow is alive... I dont think so?

[restive river]

Old Peace was the start to the Tau arc

[celest needle]

Mostly dead with some remnants

[restive river]

That cinematic isn’t of those futures lol

[narrow pendant]

i ment start of going to tau in the present

[restive river]

Ah
Ye maybe

[lean garden]

huh?

[fast dew]

That cinematic might also be dubiously canon imo

[lean garden]

where the hell did tweedledee and tweedledum come from then

[fast dew]

HEHEH

[narrow pendant]

the trailer is both versions coming to our universe

[restive river]

It kinda can’t be
They’re co-existing and they destroy the third orb which is how we get garuda lore

[lean garden]

oh and then they fight hunhow?

[fast dew]

I had some weird thought one was from our future

[restive river]

I’m not saying they aren’t from those futures, I’m saying the cinematic isn’t showcasing them lol

[lean garden]

welp there goes that thought then

[narrow pendant]

in their universe theyre in their futures (therefore grown up) and come to our world to capture stalker bc that somehow will fix their doomed timelines or atleast thats what we were told for now, we only see hunhow intervening but we dont know if the fight will continue

[lean garden]

if the whole hunhow fight isnt from then bad futures then its a moot idea

[narrow pendant]

his presence alone could shut them up

[strange plinth]

at least one of them eternalism'd into this universe
the other is probably from regular future

[restive river]

They go back via eternalism tech they somehow have with their respective protos from their respective futures
Then they fight in the present, blowing up the orb and they either free or anger Hunhow

[fast dew]

"Get the hell of my lawn. >:("

[restive river]

I mean they’re both technically eternalismed futures

[narrow pendant]

they are protos so its very likely albrecht has his hands involved

[fast dew]

I hope not

[restive river]

It’s protos
So

[narrow pendant]

unless other timelines have their own means of making protos, which may be possible giving its even further in the future

[fast dew]

Ill die. Ill straight up combust

[restive river]

Why
You love more albrecht content lol

[strange plinth]

albrecht is a likely suspect, but it'd be interesting to have it not be

[fast dew]

NOT WHEN IT DAMNS HIS CHARACTER MORE

[restive river]

I could see it being that they got the serums via thieving them from Parvos who himself thieved them from the labs, in the future

[fast dew]

MARIE ALREADY MADE IT WORSE

[narrow pendant]

it may not be albrecht given the ash got some alt universe corpus tech on him and the garuda is straight up cyberpunk

[lean garden]

It do mean that we'd've successfully retrieved albrecht

[restive river]

Those could also just be additional tech they have cause
The times

[narrow pendant]

true

[fast dew]

Alternatively ballas figured out protoframes

[lean garden]

but also like, this is the future where warframes definitely are not unknowns, these protos could very well be extremely willing participants

[restive river]

Like the Roundtable!

[lean garden]

Albrecht: You want me to what?
Ash proto: I want to be ninja

[restive river]

I think that’s maybe too far down the eternalism chain lol

[lean garden]

even more willing than that

[fast dew]

Hey! Maybe.. let me have my dreams..

[restive river]

The split for these futures is either naming the baby or what happens in the quest
So

[fast dew]

-# im still partial to their own version of Albrecht did it. Better than Albrecht figuring out how to jump timelines and never mentioning it

[restive river]

I could see it being Stalker being removed by whatever means tbh
Which
Then is something we have to avoid
Which means we ensure those futures never happen
But ofc cause eternalism they still happened, just not for our history

[restive river]

That entirely depends on when the split is tho

[fast dew]

Which is easier to allow for compared to the other one 😭 both are shit

[restive river]

If the split is when the baby is named or during the quest then there isn’t another Albrecht

[fast dew]

Ehh

[narrow pendant]

i heard a theory that they believe killing baby sirius/orion will prevent their doomed future as they are "the unchosen son" and we will talk them out of it

[restive river]

Not eh
That’s how that works lol

[fast dew]

Id just say that jade shadows isnt in the place its put in the quest part of the codex lol

[restive river]

Well they want Stalker, not the baby

[restive river]

It’s post new war
So long after Albrecht dipped

[glacial bough]

Why would he? Moving between timelines doesn't really mean anything for his overall goal

[restive river]

The timeline doesn’t really work for another Albrecht here

[narrow pendant]

he has the baby, rebb held the premise vague on purpose so far, but i dont believe that theory either

[fast dew]

Jade shadows isnt a requirement for the hex or the old peace, it can be placed after that, when Albrecht returns

[restive river]

We know the new protos have eternalism tech so
They got it from somewhere and I doubt that was Wally

[restive river]

I mean sure but I still don’t see why he’d be split lol
He isn’t in the origin system when it happens

[fast dew]

That

I don't think eternalism is localised

[restive river]

We don’t actually know where or when he is right now
But we do know it’s not the origin system aka not now

[fast dew]

Not here, doesn't mean not now

[restive river]

Not what I’m saying
I’m saying he’s not at that point in the timeline to be split

[fast dew]

Eh, i don't see why he'd. Not go to the current time

[restive river]

We

[fast dew]

I can't see him going to a separate time either

[restive river]

Have been told he isn’t in the origin system.

[fast dew]

Yeah and...? Despite how much I hate the idea of him being on tau, the whole. Hes not in the origin system is open enough for him to be at tau

[restive river]

I mean he is most probably in Tau lol

[narrow pendant]

another view on that ive seen was that perhaps albrecht brought us them bc it will conclude in us being able to go to tau in the present

[restive river]

We do need a method there

[fast dew]

Im. Not sure Albrecht would be able to time travel tbh

[narrow pendant]

alot of overkill in my view but perhaps its a way of getting hunhow to help

[restive river]

Bro what

[fast dew]

Not

[restive river]

He ain’t 1999
He clearly can

[fast dew]

Like that. I mean currently 😭

Yeah and used

A nuke for it

[pale cedar]

He destroyed the machine

[restive river]

And went somewhere/when

[lean garden]

Warframe has successfully achieved Trek levels of "theres levels to this shit"

[restive river]

Somewhere/when he may have supplies lol

[fast dew]

If he had an easily accessible form of time machine, the whole point of breaking the first one would be pointless

[narrow pendant]

we dont know how many other timetravels he did before 1999, such as 1899 as cardinal

[lean garden]

I mean, it would just mean no one could follow him easily dont it

if I broke my car and then zooted off on my scooter Ill be damned if someone catches up to me on foot

[restive river]

We do know 1999 was the final place he’d go to but
It did seem like he’s just been hopping around

[fast dew]

Yeah

And if there's a time machine, someone could follow through

Wally
Broke though in a completely separate way

[restive river]

Wally broke through cause we time travelled lol

[fast dew]

The idea of Albrecht on a scooter has me giggling

[lean garden]

not if the time machine is strapped to albrechts buttcheeks

[restive river]

It really just depends on how Albrecht is traveling

[fast dew]

Thats even funnier

I cannot be thinking of that shit man

[restive river]

If it’s like the coffin, yeah that’d be a bad one
That’s functionally a door

But if it’s portable or a machine that goes with him?

[fast dew]

I mean. Would it use the void? Wouldn't that. Put him at risk from wally?

[restive river]

The coffin used the void lol

[narrow pendant]

idk how albrecht travels but we know that outside of his means, the helminth works as long as the time we go to has one

[restive river]

Yeah we utilize helminth as a time machine

[fast dew]

Not what I was meaning

Think the whole. Wally follows where void is

[restive river]

But it’s the kind where you can only travel to where the machine already exists, aka the infestation

[restive river]

And yet Wally didn’t follow til we got there

I don’t think it’s as simple as void tech = wally door

[fast dew]

Theres. No point in being worried with the void in the labs, but in a noncontaminated area its. Worse

[fast dew]

Wh

Huh

No? Mother experiences wally before meeting us

[pale cedar]

He was already there before we got there

[narrow pendant]

ducky ment 1999

[restive river]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Ah.

Yeah I mean

We, void door

[restive river]

No?

[fast dew]

Void conduit

[restive river]

Yes we are a door
More than a door
We’re a walking window lol

[fast dew]

I mean if. He pestered Rulsalka as a kid not in the way he did lyon

[restive river]

Because rewriting history isn’t a thing?

[fast dew]

Ducky what

[restive river]

Wally can get there because of us and still go back to mess with her

[fast dew]

Thats.

Why i said not like lyon

Because we dont know if it was like that for her

[restive river]

Lyon’s situation is involving the infestation iirc mostly
With Neci Wally can go back after he gets access due to us and mess with her

[fast dew]

Gain access to a place. Without the void :?

[restive river]

Time stuff is weird but trust me, it does work lol

[restive river]

He gains access to 1999 through us
Through that he goes after Neci
From her he can go backwards/manipulate her

[pale cedar]

Wally was there via Rusalka the whole time before we showed up and fought Arthur

[fast dew]

Its why im partial to the warping memories theory, but there is the entire chance its. Not that

[restive river]

No?
He doesn’t get her properly til the ARG

[fast dew]

Also I feel as if any bit of tech that can either
Fit Albrecht
Or make a portal that can fit Albrecht
Probably needs some hella void energy

[restive river]

I mean he is either just warping her memories or he somehow goes back in her timeline through her

[pale cedar]

Which was before the quest released

[restive river]

Not before Whispers???

Whispers is when Wally gains access to 1999
The ARG is when he nabs Neci

[pale cedar]

Wally got in during the ARG so was there when we showed up

[restive river]

He was there in Whispers because of us lol

[fast dew]

Oh I wish I had a way to draw how id think wally would be able to see these things

Think like. Pitch black

But each void use is a little light

Lights are going off every use, they get brighter the higher the usage is

[restive river]

If he’s manipulating her on the timeline then as of the ARG he goes back and messes with her
If he can’t go back, which he shouldn’t be able to as far as we know, then he’s just warping her memories

[fast dew]

Something like
Time travel, id imagine would be quite significant

[restive river]

Albrecht time travelled back and fourth a lot lol

[fast dew]

Yeah I know

[restive river]

We still don’t know how he did that

[fast dew]

Im meaning if its. Void usage

It would be a lot easier for wally to spot

[restive river]

If his escape wasn’t utilizing void energy then where and when did he go?
If Tau, why?
Did he make any protos after the Hex/Old Peace? We don’t know

[fast dew]

Because its "brighter"

[fast dew]

I. Did have an idea, as unsure i am of it

[restive river]

Seriously though how was he flitting back and fourth through time
We never see or hear of his initial method, which he brought samples back and def brought stuff there

[fast dew]

Reckon he

[restive river]

We also don’t know how he made the loop

Though I’d assume it’s void based since Wally nabs it asap

Which afaik he only does in the quest
Not in the loops before
Only once we arrive properly

[fast dew]

Travelled back in time every time he. Wasn't in the current time? Like. A future Albrecht popped in while another went off to do his own thing

If. He was to be in the same spot of space time as his past self what do we think would happen..

[pale cedar]

We honestly need more notes

[restive river]

We don’t know what happens when the same individual time travels to meet/be in the same spacetime as their past/future selves

The universe compensates for eternalism
No clue for time travel self meetups

Which if it does do something
Baby in trouble

[fast dew]

Reckon it counts the same?

[restive river]

I reckon we don’t know lol

[fast dew]

Because its. "Not the same version"? The future party could. Count as an eternalism'd version

[restive river]

I think eternalism gives the universe an upset stomach due to it being the same entity from different parallel spacetimes intersecting within the same spacetime

[fast dew]

Its. From a split kinda..?

Im not. Awake enough to explain it

[restive river]

If you time travel back in time to meet yourself it’s not a split

[lean garden]

I cant attest to "meet" but I can definitely say nothing happens when someone travels to a time where they already exist

[restive river]

If anything you might be setting yourself up for a closed loop

[restive river]

Oh do we have an example of that?

[lean garden]

lua spy

[restive river]

Actually ig lua spy vaults would be that
Wouldn’t they

I was JUST TYPING IT LOL

[glacial bough]

No, he was in previous loops, that was the point of the interlude in Whispers.

[restive river]

So spacetime does not compensate for it

[restive river]

He only enters 1999 when we get there in Whispers though
After that though yes, correct?

[glacial bough]

We don't know if that's when he enters 99. I'd say no given the context

[restive river]

Makes sense since it’s not the same at all compared to eternalism compensation
Which again is likely due to them being parallels of the same entity coexisting in spacetime

[restive river]

That seems to be the consensus though
Albrecht was just in the loop and Wally doesn’t gain access til Whispers
Then in the 1999 ARG Wally gains access to Neci
And I’m unsure if he was in control of the loop in the loops between then and the Hex but he def has control then

[glacial bough]

Consensus where? The popular theory would still be that Wally was already in 99 before us if you believe Roathe

[restive river]

Wally does nothing until Whispers and doesn’t get access to Neci til the ARG

[lean garden]

that doesnt seem to refute much, the arg happens before we reach 1999 in the first place no?

[restive river]

At most I can see him being able to observe 1999

[lean garden]

so that popular theory doesnt run any friction to the idea we cracked 1999 open for wally

[restive river]

Whispers opens the door
From there he goes back to the rest of the year to get Neci
Then once he has her fully he takes the loop

I’m starting to believe the him just messing with her memories theory
Even if he can access the rest of 1999 from Whispers he shouldn’t be able to go further back
Even aside from the possible issue of no void tech it is specifically mentioned there’s a “wall” between everything before 1999 and 1999

Ofc I can totally see him bypassing it but there is something preventing even us from going back further

At least from within 1999

I wanna say either Kaya or Flare mentions it but I do not recall
They both talk about some time stuff

[glacial bough]

We know Wally has been screwing in 99 before we get there in the Hex thanks to Albrecht's video, but we can't really say nothing happened before Whispers.

[restive river]

I’d say it depends on what gave him more of a foothold to then get to Neci
The possibility of just void tech being enough
Or us literally having a piece of him

[glacial bough]

Wally has never been properly constrained by our presence, he appears wherever Void has interacted enough

[restive river]

I wasn’t saying he was lol

I’m saying because of us, because we carry a piece of him we gave him far more access than say
Random void tech Albrecht used

I would imagine us literally carrying a piece of him would do more than random void tech

[twin wigeon]

Quinn: "We changed. Oh, we drew power, but from a very different source. You have noticed it's not just the Reliquary that can work miracles with the Void, yes? I wonder… do you even know just how brightly you shine?"

-angels quest

[restive river]

They’re functionally feeding from the same source but we may act as a lens or filter of sorts :]

[twin wigeon]

if the void is a source of energy, we're a transformer, amping up its power ❓

[restive river]

We’re specifically using a piece of wally to access our void energy

Which we then utilize however it has manifested thus far / how we’ve been taught to use it
Aka our innate abilities and the focus schools
And maybe the strikes to an extent which are a sentient/tenno made expansion on the schools iirc

[twin wigeon]

wow, we really are trying to hold back the infinite

[restive river]

Well idk if Wally’s infinite

[twin wigeon]

nah just referencing what Neci says :3

[restive river]

Ah lol

[twin wigeon]

er Wally

[restive river]

Tbh
Wouldn’t be shocked if Wally had a slight ego to him

[twin wigeon]

Wallysulka

wouldnt be surprised after all he does take after his creator a little

[restive river]

He may not fully understand what he is
Which
Is quite likely the fear of the void given form
Albrecht’s emotions from that moment given conciseness

He acts like he speaks for the void iirc but like
Says who bro

[twin wigeon]

i mean its not like theres anyone in the void thats able to stop him

if he thinks and feels that he has control over the entirety of the void... well whats the odds that a conceptual embodiement is able to conceptually embody that into reality

[restive river]

🤷‍♀️

[twin wigeon]

lol

[restive river]

He does seem to be effected by our perception of him
Our being
Anyone who knows of him

Which is why I really hate Drifter calling him a god lol

(Let alone the fact that I doubt Drifter would even call him that in general)

[fast dew]

Shout out to the writers for forcing us to agree with drifter on that take

[twin wigeon]

sounds like someone wasnt paying attention to their lessons, tsk tsk drifter

[restive river]

Being quick to call him a god is a bad idea
Even worse of an idea than saying that about an Orokin

[fast dew]

No drifter i do not think that DONT MAKE ME SAY THAT

[restive river]

It ain’t even the roach this time it was the roundtable 😭

[twin wigeon]

the tables arent even round there smh

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drag-come-here-comehere-gif-21771860

[restive river]

There is one though!

I heacanon they have D&D there!

[fast dew]

THEY WOULD

[twin wigeon]

whats D&D

is it similar to F&F

Fables and Frontiers

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-20330176

Yes lol

[twin wigeon]

-# i might be misremembering what amir said

[fast dew]

FOV change:

[restive river]

Nah I’m p sure that’s accurate

[fast dew]

Reckon amir would be an obnoxious about building a pc but in the autistic "I dont know im being annoying" way

[twin wigeon]

so clueless obnoxious but in a sweet way

[pale cedar]

The one where you get the prex card is

[restive river]

He’d be talking about it but it’d take like 5 mins for him to build it lol

[twin wigeon]

eh it was on the floor so

[pale cedar]

There's still a round table there

[restive river]

Isn’t it by an NPC

Big Flare fan dropped their silly card

Do you think the Orokin made the prex cards as propaganda?
Cause they’re canon lol

[fast dew]

[* insert super fast pc build description as hes building it *]

Here you go drifter :)

[restive river]

Meanwhile the gaming PC in question: Pom-3!!!

[fast dew]

One (1) stick of ddr1 ram ❤️

[pale cedar]

It's on the floor next to a small round table beneath an NPC that's above it on bar level area

[restive river]

Can the pon-2 run Doom?

[fast dew]

Amir would love to see new gaming pcs actually

[fast dew]

Absolutely.

[strange plinth]

how many screens do you think he'd have

[fast dew]

The KIM system we see is probably takes more out of the puter lol

[restive river]

Omg so it even is next to a round table
And yeah that NPC totally dropped their limited edition Flare collectible

[restive river]

Maybe for the 1999 one

[fast dew]

The window disappearing animation was. Not a thing at that time

Shit would just appear

[fast dew]

3, two ultrawides and one monitor set up vertically for discord

Because hed use discord.

[restive river]

Oh fun thought
What if the pom-2 in the backrooms and the pom-2 on our ship is literally the same computer
It just got there the long way like the Coda!
Also Helminth def set it up

Mechanically they’re the same ofc but it’d be neat if they were physically the same too

[fast dew]

You know I wonder how much money Albrecht made from the shitty clothing store to have so many.
Pom-2s

[restive river]

Or
Well
Almost. I’d expect it to be a replica to an extent lol

[strange plinth]

alad v plot armor to survive that time

[restive river]

Computer got better survival than our friends

[pale cedar]

I survived because of a PC
-Alad V

[strange plinth]

the bane of slowmode,,

[fast dew]

I think the funniest bit of characterisation 1999 gave to Albrecht was

The dude is at worst a successful business man, at best a kleptomaniac lmao

[pale cedar]

Albrecht KIM convos when?

[fast dew]

Hed HATE that shit

Makes a bazillion alts to get around it

[fast dew]

Maybe..

[pale cedar]

He'd probably hack the Discord server so he's immune

[humble sierra]

How many keyboards do you think he's gone through?

[pale cedar]

Too many

[fast dew]

He doesnt break them no, he. Wears them down too fast

[pale cedar]

Too much mashing of the keys

[strange turtle]

Actually they were originally going to be trying to but DE scrapped that

So they could just bring whatever they had planned for that back

From the old starchart descriptions

Pluto

The shattered Outer Terminus of the Solar Rail Network is located here. The Corpus work to rebuild it.

[pale cedar]

Did they ever manage to rebuild it?

[restive river]

Yeah but they still don’t have a clear motive lol

[restive river]

Judging by the fact that we can’t go to Tau on a whim
No

[pale cedar]

This means we have 2 factions and possibly Albrecht wanting it fixed

[twin wigeon]

uh oh parvos

[pale cedar]

There's gonna be Origin System issues on Tau if it ever gets Origin side fixed

[smoky gulch]

Just don't tell Parvos there are female sentients and Tau is safe

[pale cedar]

Actually, it's 4 factions because we want to get there because of Albrecht

[fast dew]

ITS A SPACE RACE

[worn cypress]

Where what was ball'ass doing before old and new war ?

[worn cypress]

Why ? 🗿

[worn cypress]

Who 4 faction

[tall echo]

old war: doing executor things
new war: sacrifice quest

[tall echo]

he might want to recruit em as sisters

[worn cypress]

Between them

[humble sierra]

Probably brooding

[pale cedar]

Corpus
Orokin
Tenno
Narmer

[worn cypress]

I still don't know anything about 'isters'

[tall echo]

unknown

[worn cypress]

Who are the strongest ranked ?

[worn cypress]

-# wt

[humble sierra]

Sisters of Parvos are Corpus women who are promoted to his elite ranks

[worn cypress]

Is parvos still alive ? I didn't understand this about it

[fast dew]

Considering we are siding with an orokin currently and we're in a constant battle between the other two, id say we're pretty even

[worn cypress]

Who's the orokin Albrecht ?

[pale cedar]

He never dies in his quest or the follow-up quest

[fast dew]

Albrecht yeah

[worn cypress]

Wait what about grinner

[worn cypress]

I mean is he the same parvos from the begining of corpus ?

[pale cedar]

Grineer haven't shown an interest in Tau

[worn cypress]

So who are the orokin ?

[pale cedar]

The blue people

[worn cypress]

I mean where are they now to be a independent faction ?

[tall echo]

yes

[restive river]

The Orokin are dead

[tall echo]

corpus founder small grain managed to get stuck frozen in time in the void

[pale cedar]

99% of them are dead there's only like 7 of them left

[restive river]

From earlier
If the Corpus are involved with the rail still I do wonder if Parvos would have been interested with that fact upon his return
Probably tbh

[restive river]

And most of those are infested lol

[worn cypress]

So why did he say orokin one of the factions @pale cedar

[restive river]

Cause it was and technically still is due to neutral sentries

[smoky gulch]

Barring one appearance with leverian takeover, old man is only involved when women are on the line

[pale cedar]

Because Albrecht is Orokin

[worn cypress]

Do only Albrecht in the faction now ?

[pale cedar]

No

[worn cypress]

.

[radiant pier]

does anyone else have this feeling of ecstasy when listening to songs while using speed frames

[restive river]

The Entrati family (5)
Nihil
Albrecht himself

Iirc these are all the currently known to be alive Orokin
The family are infested
Nihil is in a bottle forever
Albrecht is elsewhere

[pale cedar]

Queen

[worn cypress]

Who's nihil ?

[restive river]

Ah right the worm queen

[radiant pier]

listening to Hey Kids - The Oral Cigarettes while speeding through as volt was certainly a feeling and BY GOD I THINK I'M ADDICTED TO SPEED

[restive river]

He invented glassing, was basically a serial killer, we put him in a bottle
He’s a cephalon now

[pale cedar]

Everyone forgets the Queens when listing Orokin

[fast dew]

See this is funny, because

Speed is a drug

[worn cypress]

Ah he's the one of 7 right ?

[fast dew]

He WAS

[radiant pier]

oh you know the song?

[restive river]

It’s cause she isn’t blue
That trend died out before her time

[worn cypress]

Aren't they considered now grinner even if they were orokin

[restive river]

No.

[restive river]

You’re just going to confuse them if you say it like that lol

[worn cypress]

Why was 🙁

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-angry-angry-bunny-bunny-angry-mad-gif-11222985578333978289

[restive river]

Nihil is not one of the seven, he’s just annoying

[worn cypress]

Was he close to them ?

[fast dew]

No i

Just know the drug

[humble sierra]

Not in lore. When he was released in game he was, but that got retconned

[restive river]

In a chat he was mistakenly called one, this was later rectified

[pale cedar]

Orokin is a class so it's like you don't stop being part of a social class because you aren't blue

[radiant pier]

lame

[fast dew]

Doesnt. Mucking Nora say he was worse than a executioner

[restive river]

By virtue of being an Orokin, sure
Ballas didn’t like him
Nobody did really lol

[worn cypress]

😂
no I meant the divided from them like they were not with them anymore no ?

[fast dew]

I do
-# this is a joke

[radiant pier]

Thomas

[fast dew]

I like him physically

[radiant pier]

she's older but 5'3 do I still go

[restive river]

She called him the boogieman iirc lol

[fast dew]

Id do heinous shit-

Wh

[radiant pier]

I WILL

[worn cypress]

If I ever found the person that his discord's name "I love ballas" I'll kill him

[fast dew]

Joel what

[pale cedar]

They're still Orokin and do Orokin things

[worn cypress]

You mean she ?

[restive river]

Someone in here is named “forever love Ballas” lol

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[pale cedar]

We had a whole quest where Elder tried doing an Orokin tradition

[radiant pier]

they get pretty confusing so

[fast dew]

My gifs take so long to load im gonna send the wrong one sometime

[radiant pier]

best to just not mind em

[restive river]

There were two grineer queens lol

[pale cedar]

Discord was bugged once and sent multiple GIFs at once

[restive river]

It likes sending the same message multiple times sometimes lol

[fast dew]

Its not like i have any bad gifs. Just. Off topic ones

[worn cypress]

Wanna do a team to glass him ?

[smoky gulch]

How do wiki guys extract audio files from game?

[worn cypress]

were 🙂

[fast dew]

And while im sure yall would like to see doomguy fistbumping a little version of himself, its not particularly on topic

-# grown ass man

[smoky gulch]

I need to have worm queen speeches audio files for "lore reasons"

[restive river]

Thankfully the main one died and the worm is stupid lol

[pale cedar]

Worm is still trying to revive Elder