lore-discussion

[midnight ice]

its supertext

the omly thing missing is albrecht just holding a big neon sign saying We Are Shagging

[magic storm]

Some people get Weird around romance between fictional characters.

[celest needle]

“My albrecht,”
“My loid”

• Says the totally not homosexual couple

[fast dew]

Woe

[tall echo]

you see
homophobia

[velvet ermine]

CLONE!?

[fast dew]

Daughter does confirm they hooked up

Thanks Daughter

[quiet falcon]

I'm just wondering why DE would make Equinox 2 while simultaneously just kinda ripping the drifter and operator's story line, rather than making an entirely new story. If they did so, I feel like that would be kinda boring and a bit lazy

[tall echo]

didn't expect that to not get filtered, neat

[fast dew]

RIGHT LOID IS BLONDE WITH GREEN EYES

ALBRECHT HAS DEAD FISH EYES 😭

And as far as we know, Albrecht had. Black hair

[quiet falcon]

Unless they did it in a new way, but even then, it's still just redoing the same story from before

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/green-ninjago-ninja-sensei-sensei-wu-gif-6467414812525449281

[tall echo]

huh

[fast dew]

Portrait

That seems to be natural hair over. Whatever the hell ballas had

[tall echo]

the hair in that looks more grey to me..

hm

[pale cedar]

It’s greying but still black

[tall echo]

dark grey. black

[fast dew]

What do you think a lighter black is scrap

[tall echo]

it's generally normal to distinguish between grey and black when it comes to hair color

[fast dew]

But yes, ive experienced. A decent amount of weird folk when it comes to Albrecht and Loid

[quiet falcon]

Okay, how does eternalism work? Is it as soon as two people enter the same timeline that they're merged, or are they always merged and can't interact with each other until they're in the void?

[tall echo]

but I also just misremembered the portrait of an albrecht entrati

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean there's grey grey and theres. Salt and pepper

Which usually has black

[tall echo]

usually alternate realities can't be accessed in the first place

[quiet falcon]

Wait, so how are they both looking for the same stalker if they can't access the alternate reality?

The devs specifically stated that they're looking for the same stalker, not their own separate versions

[tall echo]

usually

[fast dew]

They came to our reality. For some reason.

Somehow.

[velvet ermine]

eternalism works as long as devs want to include sht without destroying the lore

[fast dew]

Theres been a lot of new

Nevermind

[velvet ermine]

is that

[fast dew]

<@&778745217037238293>

[quiet falcon]

And so they can't also somehow not be affected by the eternalism thing...?

[fast dew]

o7 danke moderator

[magic storm]

It took a while to find this. https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_New_War/Transcript

Lintana's parents have been captured, but she has a choice. The button that opens her mother's cell door will flood her father's cell with deadly radiation, and vise versa. She presses one of the buttons. Under Eternalism, which of the following statements is universally true?

C) Her parents will survive. Her parents will die.
Euleria Entrati: "Correct. Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible."

[fast dew]

Shout out to mother going to, immediately, dead parents

Shes so real for that

Go my Euleria Entrati

[woven coyote]

With our current info they couldnt do that

But the quest isnt out so we dont even have whatever explanation they will give in the quest

[fast dew]

I hope we don't have some random bullshit with Albrecht managing to jump timelines and stabilising folk hopping from others

[woven coyote]

I am also hoping it isnt that, but i am really not confident in that hope

[fast dew]

Because.

Where the shit does he even mention that 😭 it would be before he left for 1999, surely

Once again hit with the where does Vena and the other dude fit

[quiet falcon]

That's what I'm saying. It seems like there's going to be an exception or way around it, because the facts about eternalism we've discussed don't seem to line up well with what's going on with Sirius and Orion

[fast dew]

Im saying the hopeful and simple answer

[quiet falcon]

Has Warframe made odd plot contrivances in the past?

[fast dew]

Not really

[woven coyote]

So far no

You will of course hear people who call everything that happens a retcon

[velvet ermine]

i had to search what contrivances mean

[fast dew]

Not something thats easily excusable by.

Oh yeah that was a outsourced writer

[fast dew]

-# you'd hate the doom fanbase for ignoring the hints and then claiming its a retcon

[pale cedar]

And the fact that many people manage to confuse the word Exectioner and Executor somehow

[fast dew]

-# samuel hayden was always the seraphim ill stand on this until someone forcibly removes me

[quiet falcon]

In that case, I have faith they'll explain what's going on in a clear and concise manner without harming the quality of Warframe's lore

[fast dew]

Haha

Good luck, have hope

[woven coyote]

Normally i would agree, but the triad....

[fast dew]

Triad was horrendously bad

Genuinely the worst

[quiet falcon]

The triad...?

[fast dew]

Made one of my favourite fanfic writers quit, I'll never forget DE

[fast dew]

The devil's triad, the group of protos from the old peace

[woven coyote]

Roathe, marie and lyon

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/father-lyon-warframe-dancing-gif-17520200093550940575

Get it lyon

[quiet falcon]

What about them? Did they screw up their lore or something?

[pale cedar]

The biggest “retcon” in this game I hear people bring up is Orokin made the Infestation when nothing ever said the Orokin made it

[fast dew]

Mm, shoeboxed them into the update

[woven coyote]

Rushed writing rlly

[quiet falcon]

Yeah, I thought they just kinda used jt

[fast dew]

Forced them in, ignored previous writing, focused on the entirely wrong things

Felt like obligatory drifter content

[quiet falcon]

How so? (We're they just like "I'm here now!" or...?)

[fast dew]

Have you read or heard Albrecht's notes, by any chance?

[quiet falcon]

I don't believe I have

[pale cedar]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/albrechts-notes/

[fast dew]

I suggest reading them, and then try to figure out when he did the Triad.

You'll notice he completely neglects to mention he kidnapped a whole ass Orokin Admiral, second hand to an executor

And that he spent 3 years in France larping as a Cardinal

Yes as in a Cardinal from the church

[pale cedar]

Dw Thomas

It’s mentioned in my lore book

[fast dew]

Oh but Albrecht deems getting high with loid important enough to mention

[pale cedar]

I didn’t forget

[fast dew]

Of course you didn't

[pale cedar]

A book cannot forget it can only lose a page

[ashen pulsar]

he just lost some pages yk

[quiet falcon]

Ah, okay, so essentially, he did a lot of weird stuff to make the Triad a thing, but it wasn't previously mentioned in his notes, which made it a bit of a random ### pull? (for a lack of better terms)

[pale cedar]

Hex it made sense because they’re mentioned

Triad were basically just added without being needed

[woven coyote]

And the characters themselves were a bit undercooked

Roathe still acts like a jerk for someone whose good ending is supposed to be redemption
Marie still glazes albrecht and lyon didnt get much exploration

[ashen pulsar]

If I’m being honest, I still haven’t gotten beyond friendly with roathe/marie

I don’t like roathe in any capacity

and marie seems kinda… naive, for this game ig

[rigid compass]

I dont see an issue with that. The only combat she sees is in descendia and there probably wasnt much going on in the church

[midnight ice]

shes written flat as a board

[ashen pulsar]

it makes her feel dull, compared to the depth and history of a lot of characters

when I saw her, I was excited to date wisp proto like most people
then I talked to her and went “oh :(”

[smoky gulch]

Exactly why so many (of male playerbase) like her

[tall echo]

ironically she has a trap for those people specifically

[ashen pulsar]

even amir has more depth and expressiveness

[ashen pulsar]

many of her fans are less deep than she is

[woven coyote]

Honestly amir did the naivety of a non combatant better now that i think of it

[ashen pulsar]

yeah
his naivety and whimsy feels like a way of coping, almost

[woven coyote]

Because it is properly contrasted with his "weaker" moments (as in moments where he shows his vulnerabilities and shares his thoughts and feelings)

Hope this made sense, trying to write in one language while lostening to music in another is weirder than i thought

[ashen pulsar]

yeah it makes sense

[fast dew]

-# Shes also flat as a board

[rigid compass]

As long they sell skins 🤑

Lowkenuinely ill hate on her for having a baby face and being French

[fast dew]

Her naivety just feels. Forced. Not in the delusional way, no she is genuinely like that

But like

[ashen pulsar]

amir’s feels forced too, in a way that he’s using it as a way to cope with his shitty reality

[celest needle]

Well he's not a fighter at all

Dude was just a working guy before helminth

[ashen pulsar]

different kinds of forced

[fast dew]

To. better market her. Using naivety and infantilisation to sell more skins

Ykim

[celest needle]

Why is Quincy such an asshole for most conversations 😭
Like damn the hell did I do to him

[fast dew]

British

Genuinely its a British thing

[pale cedar]

Can confirm

[fast dew]

They're just assholes sometimes

[woven coyote]

Well written intentional forced yeah

[woven coyote]

He actually opens up later about his own trust issues

I liked quincy a lot more than i thought after the initial trailers and demos

[fast dew]

Its not a personal thing, they're just assholes when it comes to their banter

[woven coyote]

Even if he is a bit tropey

Like gruf soldier who is actually a sweetheart

Plus brittish innit lol

[fast dew]

-# doomguy core-

But yeah he is nice he just. Is kinda an asshole, but in a nice way

[woven coyote]

Like he speaks rough but doesnt actually attack with words (save for that whole trying to make us hate him)

[ashen pulsar]

it feels like he forces it, rather than it being forced into him

[woven coyote]

Exactly yeah

Thats what i mean with well written

Because it seems like a choice by the character

Rather than just lost writer

[fast dew]

I am unfortunately a derivative of a British man so I do know that they're just assholes

[pale cedar]

Can confirm

British people are assholes when they want to be and kind when they shouldn’t be

Bit of a paradox

[stiff fable]

fwiw Quincy isn't naturally a Brit, he's Jamaican

[rigid compass]

I can tell

[pearl axle]

Do you eat Marmite (or Vegemite if Aussie)

[fast dew]

They're not the same thing 😭

But yes, vegemite with cheese actually

[pale cedar]

Vegemite sounds dangerous

[fast dew]

Not particularly, its rather nice

I. Don't have bread for vegemite toast, the world sucks

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-gif-15573969870000956296

[pearl axle]

What's the difference

[fast dew]

Marmite is apparently a lot thinner and not as. Punchy

They're both yeast based spreads

[pearl axle]

I have never had either

[fast dew]

I do recommend vegemite, shit gets me feral lmao

[pearl axle]

I live in Canada we don't have that sorta stuff here

[fast dew]

Ive never finished off a vegemite jar tbh

[tall echo]

I heard vegemite sandwiches are the national food for those who come from a land down unda

https://tenor.com/view/menatwork-downunder-vegemite-sandwich-vegemite-gif-25594639

I have successfully executed the convo once more

[strange turtle]

Why are you eating it out of the damn jar

[pearl axle]

He's Australian

[fast dew]

I aint i just never finished one personally

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/chat-revive-discord-gif-22826007

[woven coyote]

Request denied

[twin wigeon]

honk

[pearl axle]

Of the British protoframes who do you think eats the most Marmite

It's Eleanor isn't it

I feel like it's Eleanor

[woven coyote]

Arthur

He doesnt have tastebuds as seen with square spagetthi

[pearl axle]

Okay but consider: Eleanor dips her whole tongue in a jar

[sterile dagger]

Do only Tenno weapons get primes? Or will there be like opticor prime and ghoulsaw prime? I don’t know what the lore is for those

[pearl axle]

There's a kuva ghoulsaw

[sterile dagger]

Yeah but not a prime

[pearl axle]

No

[sterile dagger]

Like specifically prime versions

[woven coyote]

Only tenno yeah

[fast dew]

Generally "orokin" weapons get primes

The rest dont. Have a way to get primed

Which is. Probably why they get their alt versions

[woven coyote]

Yeahh

[sterile dagger]

Ah like opticor vandal

And then kuva and tenet

[pearl axle]

Not only tenno I don't think? Are the Entrati weapons (trumna, cedo, etc) considered tenno weapons

[fast dew]

Orokin era weapons, used by tenno

[woven coyote]

Vandal and wraith are a different thing

But the core of the matter is what thomas said, current weapons are... well current they arent really able to be primed

[pearl axle]

Grineer, corpus, and infested weapons have different "upgraded" versions

[fast dew]

They're new weapons really, the corpus and grineer ones

[restive river]

We lack the ability to prime weaponary, only the Orokin could do that and any tech they had relating to that was likely lost
Beyond the foundries ability to make anything but. Its a 3D printer lol

[fast dew]

Or they were bastards and genelocked it away and or nuked it

[restive river]

The Grineer would have used Orokin weapons when they had initially been forced to fight
The Corpus probably used Corpus weapons but they’ve likely cone along way since then

[restive river]

Yuppp
Or the sentients hacked it and destroyed it

Or the corpus did get it but didn’t know what it was so scrapped it

Or the infestation ate it

[sterile dagger]

What about the 1999 weapons? Likely no primes for those huh

[restive river]

Why would there be?

[fast dew]

Or the grineer nuked it for parts...

[pearl axle]

There's kuva, tenet, and coda respectively as adversary weapons that you get by spawning and vanquishing an adversary (kuva lich/sister of parvos/technocyte coda) and there's wraith/vandal/mutalist weapons which are the grineer/corpus/infested equivalent of "primes" I guess

[sterile dagger]

It would be awesome

[restive river]

The 1999 weapons are from 1999
Long before the Orokin empire

[woven coyote]

Only one with any chance is riot

[restive river]

Wouldn’t make much sense

[woven coyote]

Flare's pistol that entrati made

[fast dew]

Because. Albrecht did that one iirc

[woven coyote]

Yup

[restive river]

Me when I stick obols on it

[fast dew]

"Here my mentally ill enby with a situationship, have some guns."

[woven coyote]

Watch albrecht make riot prime with furis prime lol

[sterile dagger]

Yes stick obols on the ak next

[restive river]

Albrecht could
Idk if it’d be a prime though

[pearl axle]

Did you just call flare and lizzie a situationship

[restive river]

It had to exist during the orokin empire for it to be primed

[fast dew]

It was at the start smh

[pearl axle]

LMFAO

[fast dew]

-# really really one sided

[restive river]

The situation was lethal

[fast dew]

Lethalship...

I don't imagine being forcefed rubber was particularly nice

[restive river]

Mmmmm
Tires…

[fast dew]

But yeah its really funny to imagine Albrecht giving Flare a pistol

[restive river]

Doesn’t it say in the description :?

[pearl axle]

"Go. Do a crime"

[fast dew]

It does, its just funny to me to visualise it

Same with the atomicycles

Did Albrecht just rock up with em one day

"Hey can you guys ride bikes by any chance"

[restive river]

Omg

Cyte-09/Temple Prime Atomicycle prime skin…

[fast dew]

[restive river]

It’s very obvious in hindsight that they will probably do that lol

I hope it’s Temple, I think even while primed their design would go much harder when applied to a bike

[fast dew]

An atomicycle prime would be sick...

[restive river]

It depends how Cyte prime is ig
But
He’s very stealth tactical

[fast dew]

To make up for the bike that got stolen in the comic
-# I like to believe Albrecht stole the bike

That was. Returned yeah? Quincy still has a bike in the hex..

[ashen pulsar]

if cyte prime is fully gold i’m gonna be pretty annoyed

[restive river]

Amir still broke one LOL

[dire mountain]

It's not like. Exclusively tenno weapons due to the trumna, gotva, venato, sagek, and galariak. But all of those existed during the orokin era

[restive river]

That’s why he runs
Totally not just cause he’s fast enough

[sterile dagger]

The heck even is the gotva, did Baro make it?

[restive river]

I find it funny that Trumna wasn’t primed as of the old peace

[strange turtle]

Aside from Satoru Gojo Revenant Prime of course

[restive river]

No?
Everything he sells is from the void lol

Orokin void towers, vaults, whatever he can find

[fast dew]

Fatherless abomination-

[dire mountain]

Reconifex? Cyte's rifle doesn't really have the same designs as 1999 weapons

[restive river]

Ofc ofc

[sterile dagger]

Is that because nothing damages him

[fast dew]

Shout out baro for having the Loid floofs and selling them at an outrageous price

[dire mountain]

Orokin-era grineer rifle

[fast dew]

Hell you mean 150 ducats and 200,000 credits each

[ashen pulsar]

nah, he’s the only non-orokin prime

[dire mountain]

Loid floofs at an affordable price. Satisfactory

[restive river]

He knows whats good

[restive river]

Revenant Prime literally just showed up from out of the void with no explanation
Best theory as to how is likely Unum utilizing conceptual embodiment as things don’t just happen in/from the void

[dire mountain]

Tbf it could've been surplus ig but like, everything else we used other than uriel and his rifle was primed so we don't really know either way

[fast dew]

Wait. Mightve been 150,000

[dire mountain]

I do like to headcanon that the events of perita led to it being primed though

[sterile dagger]

Is this a joke? I have never heard of this even once https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Keles

[restive river]

They realized the bones are useful
If Xaku was primed with Trumna that is

[fast dew]

On xaku, ducky you're the resident xaku enjoyer how accurate is this

https://www.tumblr.com/cheesehambu/815420806216794112/xaku-and-theirs-1-million-guns-it-was-a-visual

CheeseBurger🧀

Xaku and theirs 1 million guns!

(it was a visual bug and here is a screenshot from the friends side)...

Tumblr · May 1, 2026, 2:31 PM

[sterile dagger]

There’s a kuva one??

[restive river]

I love my bones!

[strange turtle]

Wrong name, and don’t use fandom wiki

[pale cedar]

There isn’t

[dire mountain]

LMAOOOOO

[strange turtle]

Use the official one instead

[celest needle]

Xaku incarnon

[strange turtle]

That’s the Quartakk

[fast dew]

Xata nuke..

[sterile dagger]

It wasn’t on the other wiki

[restive river]

Aw man they weren’t playing so I can’t see how many they had ):

[fast dew]

You. Probably can count individually

[sterile dagger]

Ohhhh

[fast dew]

Wouldn't recommend it though

[pale cedar]

It’s people vandalising the fandom

[dire mountain]

It was at least a skeleton

[fast dew]

Eheh

[strange turtle]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Quartakk

[tall echo]

Cuz it don't exist

[woven coyote]

Oh yeahhh, completely forgot that thing existed

[fast dew]

Funny

[sterile dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/xaku-warframe-nonbinary-non-binary-picmix-gif-13546531829644806588

[restive river]

I have dyscalculia
Low percentage I’m accurate 😔

[dire mountain]

Tbf it has an anti-synergy with cyte so like

[fast dew]

Balls 💔 ill count once I get. Out of the empty bath

[woven coyote]

Almost like lavos and cedo

[celest needle]

bath
empty

[fast dew]

Ever have a moment where you need to lay in a cold bathtub

[restive river]

Are you just sitting in the bath 😭

Thomas
Get up 😭

[fast dew]

No im comfortable

[fast dew]

Its nearly 7am and I wanna lay in my bath

[woven coyote]

One of the fakest synergies ever
Cedo: has innate ammo mutation when used by lavos
Lavos making universal ammo everywhere: am i a joke to you?

[celest needle]

There's taking a cold bath with clothes on then theres its air bath

[sterile dagger]

Beautiful quote

[fast dew]

LMFAO

[dire mountain]

Elaborate

[sterile dagger]

You’re welcome

[woven coyote]

@dire mountain

[strange turtle]

Almost ? Have you not slept??

[dire mountain]

Ohhh yeah I forgot it has a bonus

[woven coyote]

Yup rightfully so

[fast dew]

Bold of you to assume im wearing clothes

[fast dew]

No i get too anxious to sleep before a trip

[woven coyote]

One of the biggest nothing burgers of the signature weapons

[celest needle]

so NAKED
In a EMPTY BATH

[strange turtle]

Bold of you to assume the air around you isn’t shaped like clothes

[fast dew]

Tldr i was gonna have a bath and

Lowkey forgot to exist for an hour

Turns out sitting in the dark isn't good for my head

[sterile dagger]

This is another really really good quote

[fast dew]

Yeah with the shower running so my housemate doesn't walk in

[sterile dagger]

Should I do it

[fast dew]

The trials and tribulations of Thomas

[fast dew]

Do it, they're going in my meme jar

WUH SOMEONE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR

[restive river]

The trials?
TO LUA

[fast dew]

To lua...

[sterile dagger]

It’s a trilogy

[fast dew]

Im truly a icon in the loresphere

[restive river]

It’s wild that we never a proper bathroom

We didn’t get toilets probably existing til 1999

[dire mountain]

The trials.. like the track from halo 5

[fast dew]

True..

[restive river]

I say probably cause
We dont know!

[fast dew]

The trials like the trials of maligog from doom..

[restive river]

Maybe alt earth has some freaky different toilet that’s like
Better in every way

But cause hollvania arbitrarily has speakers or a screen

And thus gets techrotted

[fast dew]

which. I just completed. screw the wolf trial it can eat an entire shotgun shell that shit SUCKED

[dire mountain]

When the 117 leitmotif hits

[fast dew]

Oh wait isnt there one in Höllvania

Vague lua and sol symbolism or whatever

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[fast dew]

Me when the trials of maligog [not a big fan]
https://tenor.com/view/catgag-gag-gross-gagging-cat-gif-5720171756737895127

OH SHIT I FORGOT TO TURN THE FAN ON

[restive river]

Read that as triads

[dire mountain]

Still true

[fast dew]

Would be 100% improved

[restive river]

They had an unholy trinity and trinity herself doesn’t even get anything smh

[fast dew]

Oh yeah ducky remember my friend who had the strange progress

[restive river]

So ik its called the devil’s triad cause
Roathe is the devil and there’s 3 members of the group
But the name makes it sound like the Devil has a triad
Equinox proto when

[restive river]

Ye

[fast dew]

It isn't strange turns out the bastard was just

Genuinely one of the first closed beta players. As in. 2012/2013

Brother didnt know shit about warframe yet was a closed beta player 😭

Which is. Why he had a lato vandal

And didnt know how some of the systems worked, though he did play up until 2018 at the minimum

But good news, hes up to natah :)

He replayed the first act too

[pale cedar]

The Devils legion

An army of Uriels

[tall echo]

The devil's leg

[jolly root]

The devils but

I dont know i was just doing random body parts

[quiet falcon]

In lore, what's the difference between the frame types? (Umbra, Regular, Prime, and Proto)

[dark compass]

I just realized that multiple people are writing it

Almost wrote an essay myself

[twin wigeon]

Most prime frames are the original form of the frame, developed in the Orokin Empire by Ballas. With some exceptions, as some frames earned their priming or primed themselves like Lavos with Lavos Prime

Regular frames are usually the newer forms as the tech to create prime frames was forgotten.

Umbra is special as he was created by Ballas as punishment for the Dax soldier that spied on his plans to leak weaknesses to Hunhow

[strange plinth]

regular are regular, primes are fancy versions of those
umbra is unique, based on the dax that became excal umbra
protos most likely had their strains modified to be a slower transformation by albrecht entrati

[twin wigeon]

Protos are modified versions of the strains likely taken directly from Ballas labs by Albrecht. Albrecht then modified the strains so that the people are transformed slower and retain their humanity for longer.

[pale cedar]

We aren’t actually told if there’s more Prime or base Originals

[twin wigeon]

Well true but thus far it seems every base frame is getting a Prime

[strange plinth]

i think we have more confirmed prime first frames? but there's just a lot that aren't detailed
not sure though, would have to look through each one

[twin wigeon]

mhm mhm

[pale cedar]

It’s almost never mentioned actually

[twin wigeon]

alot of the one from the prime trailers are more of the modern primes no, seeing as they confront more modern enemies. but ig they couldve survived the period btwn awakening and the collapse

[pale cedar]

There’s the Yareli Prime mention of original but none others offer which was first

Both Excal and Excal Prime have the same description so we can’t figure that one out

[smoky gulch]

Prime Warframes and Weapons are the original designs for the Tenno
Original as in coming first or as made specifically for Tenno?

[pale cedar]

Can be a bit of both with how some started Prime and others earned it

[twin wigeon]

someone grab that one varzia quote im too lazy

[smoky gulch]

Then we get Varzia yapping

Primes were reserved for the Prime Vanguard. The best of the best, and the rest... are adequate, I guess. If you're satisfied with merely adequate.

[pale cedar]

"Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth."

[odd junco]

wukong primm

when wukon prime

[woven coyote]

I threw it into the incinerator

[strange plinth]

7 years ago

[fast dew]

Wukong prime is already out aint it?

[odd junco]

when wukong pime

[pale cedar]

Came out 2019

[odd junco]

when wukong prime vault

[strange plinth]

we cannot predict the resurgence

[pale cedar]

When DE say so

[odd junco]

why

[pale cedar]

We aren’t DE

[odd junco]

wukong prime now

[twin wigeon]

no

[strange plinth]

because its just whatever pair DE feels like throwing in there
Garuda got unvaulted 6 months after she was vaulted and Nidus had to wait years

[twin wigeon]

wukong deserves to be thrown into the vault, never to return

just like wisp lore

[restive river]

Umbra - one time punishment for that one dax
Regular - default, sometimes initial, sometimes not
Prime - better than regular, gilded, sometimes initial, sometimes earned
Proto - modified slower version, allows the people to be people longer, still will fully transform becoming regular

[odd junco]

so no wukong prime

[restive river]

Wisp is the queen of missed opportunities lmao

[strange plinth]

unknown

[twin wigeon]

it exists, youre not getting it.

[pale cedar]

[odd junco]

i need wukopn pime

[twin wigeon]

muehehehehe

[fast dew]

You can trade for plat with it

[odd junco]

too expensive

[dark compass]

Best guess we can make is for a specific resurgence to pair with a skin release

[restive river]

Wukong’s crimes are primarily that he was involved in an AFK strat
And I think he’s just kinda annoying iirc?? Idr I mostly remember the AFK thing lol

[dark compass]

Like Vauban for Heirloom and Gauss/Grendel for shadowgopher

[fast dew]

Mm, Garuda and Ash seem pretty likely

[dark compass]

Shadowgopher.........

[restive river]

Go farm prime junk
Sell it
Get wukong prime

[odd junco]

what prime junk would you recommend?

[restive river]

shadogropher

[pale cedar]

You could have existing relics that have Wukong

[dark compass]

They're definitely making a garuda/ash resurgence when the update comes out

[restive river]

Anything you can get your hands on that you also don’t have already
Or expensive stuff

[pale cedar]

Could also buy the relics

[restive river]

If it’s 100 ducats, try to sell it lol

[restive river]

Would be cheaper but then that’s rng

Tbh it’s better to buy the parts if you’re just gonna buy anything

Wouldn’t a full wukong set be like
100 something plat? Idk the prices rn

[strange plinth]

looks like wukong was last in resurgence 10 months ago
so he has a decent chance to come back soon

[restive river]

I’m seeing 85-150

Always go for the lower prices
Looking at probably 90-100

[fast dew]

Mm, when was limbo last in resurgence

[odd junco]

i checked and i have none

[pale cedar]

I actually found out the other day i could get a radiant level item from an intact relic the other day

[fast dew]

Insane odds

[restive river]

If you have the plat already do that, if you don’t make wait to buy some like
The cheapest option
Then sell what you can

Or just sell stuff lol

[strange plinth]

15 months, looks like

[odd junco]

i saw that full sets usually have a higher price, so i'll be getting some warframe sets (i have almost a full lavos prime set)

[pale cedar]

RNGesus was probably making up for a few days prior where he didn’t give what I wanted

[restive river]

Good!
I wish you luck!

[odd junco]

85

[restive river]

Yeah thats for the present cheapest, that might get sniped so I’d set your expectations closer to 100

[twin wigeon]

currently buying that set so its harder for hamister to get

muehehehehehe

[odd junco]

its average is 90, but buying the pieces separately can save me like, 5-10 plat

[odd junco]

i'm buying all sets so you can suffer eternally

[twin wigeon]

nah im just lucky like that, i can just gamble myself one :3

[odd junco]

Who wants to gift me plat so i can buy every item so chillymango suffers?

[pale cedar]

I’ve just realised this Mag being trapped makes no sense because none of the restraints are locked

[odd junco]

its magic

[twin wigeon]

could be magnetic

[restive river]

Yup!
Just takes longer

[odd junco]

magicnetic

[fast dew]

Woh evil

[pale cedar]

Wouldn’t magnetic be a net positive for Mag?

[fast dew]

THATS WOULDVE VEEN WHEN I BOUGHT HIM

[fast dew]

Me when I genuinely couldnt get any zylok parts I needed

[odd junco]

is Pavlov mod farming a good method to get plat?

[pale cedar]

Should’ve just borrowed Loids

[fast dew]

We need a limbo resurgence ..

Oh ye when did his prime even come out

[pale cedar]

We got a Loid ice nap resurgence we don’t need a Limbo one

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-limbo-warframe-limbo-limbo-prime-prime-gif-20418277

[strange plinth]

june 2018

[fast dew]

Christ hes old.

Due for an heirloom..

[pale cedar]

All Warframes are old

[odd junco]

except the newframe

[strange plinth]

there is one Not Old frame

[odd junco]

Onion or Siri

[pale cedar]

Even the new ones were made 1000+ years ago

[strange plinth]

although yea its been there the whole time so its still kinda old

[odd junco]

koumei is relatively new i guess

[woven coyote]

Also no

[pale cedar]

Release wise vs lorewise

[odd junco]

hm

[fast dew]

Chat when did Valkyr prime come out

[odd junco]

somewhen

[fast dew]

Tryna gauge when Limbo will get an heirloom

[woven coyote]

Years ago

[strange plinth]

november 2016

[fast dew]

Nodding

[woven coyote]

I dont think they are doing release order for those tho

[odd junco]

but the newest frames would be sirius or onion i guess

[pale cedar]

When do you think Uriel Prime will come out so I can tell Roathe I found him?

[strange plinth]

tbf it seems like the heirlooms are just 'whenever we see a cool design lol'

[fast dew]

Nah, just vague timing

[odd junco]

april 2067

[woven coyote]

Sorta, maybe depends

Would you consider the baby a new frame back when his mom got infected with him in the womb? When he was born? Or when they diferentiated?

[fast dew]

Do we consider a fetus alive

This is a whole new topic

[odd junco]

hollup

[pale cedar]

Sirion is a complicated case

[woven coyote]

Well we didnt know what stage of pregnancy she was at when she was infested tbh

[odd junco]

Siri*

[odd junco]

can't you see at her skin?

[woven coyote]

We cant no

Because there is no image of jade when she was still human

[fast dew]

She is pretty. Far on

[strange plinth]

she appears the same in the flashback when she grabbed stalker as when she's lying on the bed, if that's. anything

[odd junco]

no i mean, can you see the baby on her skin, as a warframe?

[strange plinth]

there's an orb in there

[odd junco]

the baby is an orb?

[woven coyote]

Anyway if we consider the "new frame" from the point of infection then even sirion would be made in old war, even if just a technicality

[fast dew]

Orb the size of a fist

[odd junco]

then its not even developed i guess

[woven coyote]

As if we can use that

[strange plinth]

the orb

[woven coyote]

Literally his mom became dust and the baby was formed

Size of the orb is meaningless here

[fast dew]

Yeah thats way bigger christ

Size of a baby™

[odd junco]

i guess jade became a warframe not long after getting pregnant

[pale cedar]

I’ve seen people refusing to use Jade because a Jade was pregnant

[odd junco]

2 in 1

[woven coyote]

Back to the real topic

If we consider "new frame" only after sirion was born then it would indeed be the first time we have a post orokin frame

So again depends

[odd junco]

that topic is actually still being discussed

technically

[woven coyote]

Trying to measure how pregnant jade was based on a magical orb and human pregnancies is just derailing the point

Point is sirion anyway

At what point are they a "new warframe"
Because infestation is just too weird

[odd junco]

being honest we were figuring if sirius was the newest warframe based on if the baby is considered a person inside on the womb or not

[woven coyote]

Those are entirely separate conversations

Infestation doesnt care if they are a person or not

[strange plinth]

it also doesn't care much for distinction, as we see with Lizzie

[odd junco]

but when a baby gets out of the womb they are exactly 0 years old so that means sirius is around 8 years

[woven coyote]

Imma just go with sirion is still old war frame because both baby and mom were infected in the old war

[strange plinth]

do we think that the constellations trailer(s) reversing at the end means anything

[stiff fable]

Hmm wouldn't surprise me

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/timeloop-warframe-begin-again-begin-again-gif-170084454081808753

[stiff fable]

If I had to guess it's probably something along the lines of the battle happening over and over until they get an ending satisfactory to both of them

[odd junco]

probably means that the end of the trailer reverses

[odd junco]

or maybe a assassination mission, where to get frame parts you play the mission over and over till you get the full set, idk

[stiff fable]

Took me way long to find this

https://youtu.be/OElIuI83AGI?&t=344s

[odd junco]

i won't click ts

[twin wigeon]

smh

[odd junco]

abc

you just typed three letters bro

i was wondering why the warframe general was so dry, it ended up being lore discussion

mb yall

[twin wigeon]

smh

[fast dew]

Smh

[twin wigeon]

speaking of dry, why must baro give me dessert skate specters tf am i supposed to do with theseeeee

[fast dew]

HE CAN DO THAT??

[woven coyote]

Confuse noobs

[odd junco]

abc def ghi jkl mno pqr stu vwx yz

[twin wigeon]

from the baro void signal missions

[woven coyote]

How new are you to the concept of the internet?

[odd junco]

hotel

[woven coyote]

So just a little troll then

[odd junco]

hi

[woven coyote]

But anyway @twin wigeon obviously baro gives you desert skates to throw at yarelli players

[odd junco]

0 days without degenerate nonsense

[twin wigeon]

[fast dew]

Awh man

[woven coyote]

You just go "look i have a merulina too"

[fast dew]

I gotta deal with the creepy ass skates

I hate them i hope they die

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-desert-skate-oomfie-gif-25825468

[woven coyote]

So now i know what to do if we ever play together lol

[fast dew]

Very slim chance but perhaps

[high bay]

If I may ask a really stupid question, am I a super bad person when I say that I didn’t immediately clock that Ticker is trans when I first interacted with her all the way back in 2018? When I learned that Ticker is trans like five or so years ago, I’ve been referring to her exclusively with she/her pronouns

[quiet falcon]

Were regulars or primes more common as the default, and what's up with frames like Stalker and Jade who have sentience? Why do they have sentience while other frames don't?

[woven coyote]

Can be hard to clock, i'd say. On account of her whole story, what with even selling her body parts to get her partner's back

I also dont remember if she explicitly says any line about it

[strange plinth]

the first frames were sapient, Jade and Stalker are both that type of frame
the "second generation" were dormant and intended for tenno use

[woven coyote]

Jade was second gen

[strange plinth]

she has a couple of idle lines where she refers to herself with she/her pronouns, but that's about it

[woven coyote]

Jade explicitly refers to her operator in the feather diary

[strange plinth]

she was assigned one, yes, but she existed and functioned without them for a while

[woven coyote]

Ohhh neat i forget a lot of her lines

Just cant forget her calling us stardust

Her tone when saying stardust is just warm and fuzzy and sad all at the same time

[fast dew]

It is :(

[quiet falcon]

Were second gen specifically designed to have no mind, or was that an accident? And since Jade is a second gen, how was she able to retain her mind?

[high bay]

If I may dig myself into a deeper hole, I didn’t spend much time around Ticker when I was leveling Fortuna because I was too low on resources to be able to get Solaris out of debt

[restive river]

For the first part, unknown
Second part is complicated
Generation 1 frames lacked tenno so the frames had sentience
But they eventually all went feral
Except for the ones with strong enough emotions/will ig cause Stalker is still around and sapient due to his hate for us
Jade is still sapient cause she is focused on her child and Stalker
Kullervo for his crimes
Umbra is a forced case of this but his is him killing his son being played on repeat in his head
Etc etc

[fast dew]

I MET TICKER'S VA ACTUALLY

[restive river]

Big emotion = frame maybe stay sapient

Also maybe big brain
Dante was sapient when many other frames lost it

[fast dew]

Something to focus on, is the general consensus

[restive river]

Also Jade and Stalker are an odd case, they match up with being gen 1 but Jade also had a Tenno

[fast dew]

He was so cool btw

[quiet falcon]

Maybe Gen 1s can optionally have tenno, but aren't required since they have a mind

[restive river]

They may have been transformed after/during the insurrections and shelvings and displayed no signs of insanity

[strange plinth]

she was assigned a tenno when they were going to send her out to actually fight, rather than just executing people
maybe they wanted extra "restraints" or something

[restive river]

The tenno didn’t exist as of gen 1

Transference was discovered later
See Rhino Prime codex

[fast dew]

Didn't think Ticker's va was Australian for some reason

No clue why

[quiet falcon]

Ah, interesting, are they not "transferable" (for a lack of better terms) then? If so, does that mean Umbra is second gen?

[restive river]

They technically would be but like 99% of gen 1 frames got destroyed cause
They went feral!
And yes Umbra is second gen

[fast dew]

I wouldn't see an issue with a tenno transferring into a first gen, if they're alive

[restive river]

Again, see Rhino Prime codex

[quiet falcon]

(I'll read it right away 🫡 )

[restive river]

[twin wigeon]

Umbra was created near the start of the old war since Ballas was feeding info to hunhow right

[restive river]

Nope
End of it
He was one of the last frames ever made

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah

[quiet falcon]

Okay, so then frames like Gauss kept their mind for a time, which is what allowed him to become the Saint of Altra (and not a tenno pilot)?

[restive river]

Voruna Prime was likely the last one he “made”
Revenant being the most recent frame

[restive river]

We don’t know

Most leverian stories and just frame stories in general leave it ambiguous

[fast dew]

Mm, Loid has a line about Drusus being unable to tell the difference between a tenno controlled frame and a gen 1 from memory

[restive river]

How would he even tell tbh

Oh yeah
Thomas
Sharkframe is Blahajframe

[fast dew]

TRUE

XATA NUKE

[storm hearth]

tbf gen 1 frames able to be clam just... most wern't

[fast dew]

True

[restive river]

Doesn’t help that the infestation claws at their mind

[twin wigeon]

which i guess makes sense since transference kinda melds the two pretty closely

[quiet falcon]

Okay, I read it, but I'm a bit confused about what's happening there. So, they're at the place the warframes were created, or at least stored, and Rhino broke free. He chased these people who had a hand in making them, but before he could "gore" them, someone transferred into him? Is this illuding to Rhino being a feral gen 1 frame?

[twin wigeon]

gore them means he tore into them and ripped their organs out and such

[magic storm]

It's a bit hazy whether it was Transference, but maybe I missed a detail that said "It was the Tenno in control" and not some other hidden factor.

[quiet falcon]

^
Yes

[storm hearth]

not excatlly rhino is like all the frames we have today there alive but more stable and are able to act and move freely but they mostly followed orders when they saw rhino going crazy they had an operator transffuer into him to prevent anymore damage

[twin wigeon]

ngl its entries like this that reminds you that this game is dark

[woven coyote]

Probably a bit of an unconscious transference

1 because transference is a technology
2 because of ballas' line

[woven coyote]

Also on point 1 just in case anyone was wondering

[quiet falcon]

Unconscious transference?

[woven coyote]

Unconscious because the tenno in the rhino codex were obviously asleep

But yeah what the tenno learned to do with transference therapy (which was later weaponized for the warframe program) seems to calm warframes down

Just as ballas described

[restive river]

Yes he’s a feral gen 1 and the person who transferred into him was a tenno
This is how transference was discovered

[quiet falcon]

Ah, so first they did it to calm them, but then they used it to control them?

[woven coyote]

Well how the effect of tenno transference on warframes was discovered

[storm hearth]

wait he was a gen1 i thought he was like everyone else?

[restive river]

Ye

[woven coyote]

Transference was to calm the tenno, help with the space trauma

Rhino happens and they find the tenno can calm warframes

[fast dew]

Weapon time

[restive river]

Gen 2d dont go feral and try to eat people

[woven coyote]

Then the orokin conclusion is
Weaponize the traumatized children and tortured infested bodies

[quiet falcon]

Aaaah, okay, but I thought Deltasaber said it was a technology that had to be put into a frame. Did they put it into the frame ahead of time for a different reason, not knowing that transferance in that manner allowed them to control it?

[storm hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-flightreacts-yikes-shocked-gif-6414215169603726054

[restive river]

Wasn’t transference discovered via the tenno :?

[storm hearth]

im sorry what?

[woven coyote]

Silvana mentions transference therapy

So i'd put it before warframe<>tenno link

As tk how transference was discovered we dont actually have that info

[restive river]

The frames had transference bolts installed at some point
We don’t know what exactly those do
Transference can also be replicated via tech known as somatics, which the tenno also used

[woven coyote]

We have the info that it was a proper therapy

That there was technology involved(silvana used it)

And that the therapy was used on tenno

[restive river]

It would have been through the tenno since they have it innately lol

[woven coyote]

And then with rhino codex they used it on tenno and warframes

[restive river]

Ye

[woven coyote]

You could argue we just imitated the technology using our powers.

Because technically we just innately have a conection to the void and we dont exactly have a manual

[fast dew]

why he got a lil red scarf

[quiet falcon]

Ah, okay, so is that why we first started out transfering in the one seat thing, then switched to actually transferring into the frame? (I played that one quest (the one that I think explained it and gave us our operator/gave them more abilities) when I was a lot younger, so I'm having to relearn this stuff)

[restive river]

Eh I guess, but Wally can innately use it and he never had that tech and our piece, our source of power is from him

It always seemed to me that the tenno are what lead to transference, that lead to therapy and eventually controlling the frames

[restive river]

Almost yes
We aren’t physically going into the frame
Basically with somatics it’s a replication of transference and thus we need the chair and the little metallics on our face
After war within it’s an innate ability

Transference is basically controlling a drone via your mind
Somatics is artificial
Innate is. Innate

[woven coyote]

On the other hand the orokin already had a bunch of stuff connected to consciouness
Between kuva, glassing, and aya

[restive river]

True, but transference doesn’t ever seem to come up prior to the tenno

Also the gen 1s were never piloted by people

[woven coyote]

Not that we have many references for anything, but true yeah

[restive river]

I think it’s also a stretch to say we got transference innately due to somatics
We never do that with anything else

[fast dew]

Well tbf the only person who can really do it besides us is. Wally and he's too shy to talk

[quiet falcon]

I see I see... so a lot of this is just kinda piecing together what we know from random little sprinkles of info given to us in the game? This feels like Dark Souls esque story telling, but Warframe gives you more to work with

[woven coyote]

yup but it is also a lot clearer than dark souls because we have more direct statements and quests

[quiet falcon]

Ah, I see

That's a bit nice. Its a lot easier to change things slightly if not everything is stated

[woven coyote]

like for example the only contest i raised was to wether transference was discovered before or after tenno

the rest is pretty much facts

[quiet falcon]

Interesting...

[woven coyote]

and like the good thing about this chat is we are used to calling out eachother's mistakes

[quiet falcon]

I know none of the lore really matters to the enjoyment of the gameplay, but I still find it interesting nonetheless

[stiff beacon]

I mean continuity can be seen as transference but permanent

[woven coyote]

it definetely is

[stiff beacon]

Given their similarities

[quiet falcon]

Indeed! Warframe seems to have a decently chill community, which makes asking questions not feel like you're an idiot

[strange plinth]

projection of consciousness into another body vs moving the consciousness entirely

[restive river]

Bluva is diet transference

[stiff beacon]

Yep

[fast dew]

See, for me the lore is important for me to enjoy the game and gameplay

[restive river]

Same here

[woven coyote]

yeah what i imagined with that suggestion was the line on kuva's void derived characteristic for consciousness stuff

so if that is a void derived characteristic it would be a potential we have, but the exact mechanics of transference would need us to see transference tech to replicate

is basically what i was going for

[restive river]

I need to know that the vermink flavored food can make your head explode
It’s imperative

[fast dew]

Reckon its just a weird property of void related things

[restive river]

Depends where Kuva comes from

We know continuity is guaranteed with the void involved but thats like
It

[fast dew]

There. Is a void related part of kuva, so you'd think so

[quiet falcon]

(I believe understanding the lore isn't integral to enjoy games, however, in my opinion, the understanding of such greatly increases their enjoyment, as you're able to get more involved in the story actively being told)

[quiet falcon]

It makes twists meaningful, and increases the dopamine during hype moments in the story for me personally

[restive river]

The only known thing is that it guaranteed continuity tho

[fast dew]

See ducky this is why you should get into doom, the lore is kinda like warframe and the fanbase is worse!!/lh

[woven coyote]

Love those transmissions

[stiff fable]

I'm personally a big anti-lore person because so often it's just words without connection to what's happening in the game.

[fast dew]

I mean

[restive river]

I think I’d sooner glass myself! /lh /j

[stiff fable]

However, with Warframe, they're finding more and more ways to make those words actually relevant

[stiff beacon]

i meant more so both are processes in which one person takes over another though one is through calming the emotions of another and working in harmony the other is erasing anothers mind and supplanting it with your own

[quiet falcon]

Also, the Zaramin... is that a random ship that happened to get lost in the void, or was it getting sent there intentional (by the Orikin, Wally, or otherwise)?

[stiff fable]

Not a RANDOM ship, no

[woven coyote]

Was a colony ship going to tau

[stiff fable]

But it was meant to reach its destination

[restive river]

Colony ship that was planned to go to tau
Jump went wrong
Prob Wally’s fault

[quiet falcon]

For what purpose?

[restive river]

The Orokin did not help the situation though

[fast dew]

Same, im begging to be glassed because of it. Put me down please this is hell/j

[restive river]

Colonization
Expansion
Survival

[quiet falcon]

What'd they do?

[stiff fable]

To colonize it

[woven coyote]

Colonize

And get there ahead of the sentient project so the sponsor of the zariman could gloat

[fast dew]

Tldr Tuvul being an asshole

[restive river]

The people of the Zariman were having troubles, there was a sabotage and the drive wasn’t ready
Tuvul basically ripped their support away and was just generally. Terrible.

[stiff fable]

wasn't Tuvul the one who sponsored the Sentient program too??

[restive river]

The sabotage was to stop the ship btw cause
The Orokin were sucking

[fast dew]

Shit he did it for the love of the game

[woven coyote]

Sentients didnt have a direct sponsor
But ballas helped get it aproved

[restive river]

Mad jealous of Voruna’s operator man

[stiff beacon]

ballas

[stiff fable]

Remember Tenno, in Warframe everything really IS the Orokin's fault

[quiet falcon]

Oh right, where to the sentients play into all of this? I just played the Uriel story quest, and I didn't really know what was happening with them

[fast dew]

Albrecht's mostly

[stiff fable]

No no, Ballas's involvement was secret

[fast dew]

He is trying to fix it

[stiff fable]

He baited Tuvul into supporting it

[stiff fable]

The Sentients were the first serious colonization attempt

[woven coyote]

Both zariman and sentients were projects to terraform and colonize tau

[restive river]

The only good Orokin is a dead Orokin
Or an infested one that’s forced to face their morality
But
They still suck even then lol

Also to be clear the Orokin are not a race, they are a human class of people
The upper of the uppermost class
The 1% of the 1%
Billionaire tyrants on every steroid ever

[quiet falcon]

How and why do sentients exist?

[stiff fable]

They took the slow path to Tau, literally traveling through space for decades/centuries

[stiff fable]

The Orokin built them for colonization

[woven coyote]

But supposedly orokin got impatient waiting for sentients and then sent the zariman

[restive river]

Corpus guy made em first tho, no?
Ballas then saw an opportunity

[fast dew]

Even the best orokin kinda sucks

[quiet falcon]

Aaaah, okay. And they're powered by those flowers on that one planet?

[stiff fable]

No, it was an Archimedean

[restive river]

Albrecht is a huge stinker

[fast dew]

Ballas would trace art and claim it as his own

[woven coyote]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Synthesis/Imprint/Detron_Crewman

[stiff fable]

No, the flowers were something weirder

[restive river]

Well
Corpus archimedian

[fast dew]

True, he is probably super gross rn

[woven coyote]

This page has the text onthe aproval of the sentient project

[fast dew]

That man has NOT showered

[restive river]

The leading evidence behind the very untrue theory of him stealing the protoframe designs to make the warframes

[woven coyote]

@stiff fable

[stiff fable]

It's tied to the Detron crewman because Perintol sees another archimedean get vaporized for suggesting the crewman program

[woven coyote]

Perintol was corpus yeah

[stiff fable]

Corpus MEANS family

You and your family will be vaporized

[fast dew]

"You smell like death."

Little did Loid know, Albrecht was neck deep in literal dead bodies

[restive river]

Ig it isn’t capitalized

[quiet falcon]

Also, why did the sentients dislike the tenno? (It seemed like the majority of them disliked tenno in the most recent story quest thing)

[stiff fable]

Perintol was an archimedean, at the Archimedean Symposium

[fast dew]

Xata nuke.

[stiff fable]

The Sentients hate humanity

[woven coyote]

Opposing sides in a war not to mention the void being poison to sentients

[restive river]

We’re their one weakness and we were forced to fight
Also a lot of sentients are racist

[stiff fable]

The Tenno are human

[quiet falcon]

Ooooh, was that always a thing, or did they grow to hate them over time?

[restive river]

We don’t entirely know

[quiet falcon]

Wait, why/how are we their weakness?

[stiff fable]

Void

[fast dew]

Void

[stiff fable]

And also Void

[woven coyote]

Sentients were designed that way

[restive river]

The main sentients gained sentience on their way to Tau
Established the rail
Then Tormis of the Seven visited
Came back
Someone else went
War

[stiff beacon]

the 3rd answer to all of warframes questions void

[restive river]

Tormis probably did or said something that set the sentients off

[quiet falcon]

Oh, I thought only the Tenno had the void (from Wally)

[stiff fable]

The Orokin used it for all of their technology

[restive river]

We have it as a power
It also is an energy

[stiff beacon]

probably called em voidluggers

[stiff fable]

The Tenno can just do magic witch things with it

[fast dew]

I wanna be a witch :3

[stiff fable]

Anyway, the flowers didn't power the Sentients, instead it made them individuals

[quiet falcon]

Ah, okay, so they hated humanity because we were the only ones capable of harnessing void, which could harm them

[stiff fable]

Every Sentient is basically a hivemind

The regular Sentient enemies you fight before New War are all little pieces of him

[restive river]

Yo can we
Kill him next

[fast dew]

Hey we dont know if tormis said that

[stiff fable]

But during the Old Peace era, the flowers made those pieces into their own people

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-i-want-to-be-a-witch-horse-gif-10096732776560791898

Close enough lol

[fast dew]

Me also

I do wanna be a horse, it would be fun

But also at least you got the reference lol

[stiff fable]

There were a bunch of different "big Sentients" besides Hunhow and they could all split off little pieces. The flowers made those pieces into individuals

Then Ballas turned on the terraforming machines and killed all the flowers

[quiet falcon]

(Oh, another thing I've been wondering. Since the tutorial was changed, and now the start of Warframe is a bit different, did my character's starting point get retconned? (For reference, I believe I started playing Warframe around 2017, before I actually knew how to play))

[stiff fable]

no

I mean indirectly yes, but that's a side effect of the old story events being events instead of quests

[quiet falcon]

I see

[stiff fable]

The idea is that you're not the first Tenno to wake up, other stuff happened before you did

But once you do wake up, crazy stuff starts popping off

[quiet falcon]

Okay, so the Orikin created the giant sentients, they ended up hating humans, then started attacking us. They could make little sentients, which were still a part of the bigger sentients' hive minds, but we were able to make the smaller sentients good through the usage of the flowers?

[stiff fable]

Not "good", they were people

Good bad and everything in between

What's more important is that they wanted to be people and not be at war forever

[quiet falcon]

Okay, so it made the sentients... sentient and capable of having morals?

[restive river]

I like the idea that whatever starting point you had is what you literally had to an extent

[stiff fable]

The big Sentients also had morals

[quiet falcon]

^

[quiet falcon]

Like Hunhow

[stiff fable]

The issue is that they ALSO understood that the Orokin were abject evil and could not be trusted

[restive river]

We didnt make them good ourselves but yes the alien flowers made them individuals and thus they had their own ideals on like
War

[stiff fable]

Most of the fragments were unprepared for the depths of Orokin depravity and petty evil

[quiet falcon]

Ah, okay... so is that just for the smaller sentients, or for the big ones too?

[restive river]

Small ones
Big sentients are already individuals

[stiff fable]

We actually don't know what happened to the big Sentients when they lost their fragments

Did they break down completely into the fragments?

[restive river]

The big ones wanted the war
The small ones didn’t
Hence the tenuous peace

[restive river]

It sounded like the bigger wholes stayed whole

[stiff fable]

Did they just become larger single Sentients?

[stiff fable]

Maybe!

[quiet falcon]

Did the orikin start out making larger sentients, or did they make the smaller ones and gradually work up?

[stiff fable]

As far as we know they made mostly large Sentients

Each large Sentient is actually a terraforming machine itself

[quiet falcon]

(Also, what was the original purpose of sentie-

Ah, so I see

[stiff fable]

Colonization lol

Praghasa was a massive space factory

Hunhow was an agricultural machine of some kind

[quiet falcon]

They were originally for colonization and terraforming, but ended up getting used for war? Or did they turn on humanity and begin using themselves for war?

[stiff fable]

The latter

Lets be real, turning on humanity was the objectively moral thing to do

[quiet falcon]

^

[stiff fable]

The Orokin were the absolute worst

They blew up Earth and never bothered trying to fix it

[twin wigeon]

look at what they did to the moon

[quiet falcon]

Well, I think they should've just stuck with the Orikin, but honestly, all of humanity except for a few seem to be pretty despicable in Warframe

[stiff fable]

The Orokin would have destroyed them

They hated "thinking machines"

If the Sentients hadn't rebelled they would have been disposed of

[quiet falcon]

Ah, so I see. But instead of just killing the orikin, they decided to kill all of humanity instead?

[restive river]

I wish the Orokin only ever killed the Orokin and not civilians
That being said
The Orokin would force civilians into the crossfire

[restive river]

They lumped them all together

Some sentients also have a whole thing about wanting to be more human
Itzam was a transhumanist

[quiet falcon]

I see I see...

-# Good call

[stiff fable]

All of humanity lived under the Orokin Empire

[restive river]

Adis was maybe another transhumanist but
Uh
Yeah ):

[stiff fable]

The distinction between "Orokin" and "Orokin slave citizen" was kinda... not relevant from their perspective.

[quiet falcon]

I see

[stiff fable]

The Orokin also would have been eager to make the Sentients believe this

Lots and lots of normal people hated the Orokin

The Sentients blowing up cities and civilians is great propaganda

[quiet falcon]

Okay, so lets start from the beginning, because I want to know what the lore is from the start to the present...

So, vaguely, humanity started out as where we are IRL, but then we got more tech, the orikin, Greneer, and Corpus became a thing, and that was the status quo. Then the orikin created sentients, tried to colonize, the sentients turned, the orikin created Warframes to fight them, accidental transference became a thing, intentional transference became a thing, then something happened, and orikin society collapsed. Years later, we wake up, and our story begins?

[stiff fable]

Ish

Around the year 1999 this crazy zombie virus popped up, the "Technocyte"

To fight it, humanity started using nuclear weapons

[worn cypress]

what the ?

[stiff fable]

Sometime during this process a group seized power over the entirety of the human species, using religious symbolism and a mysterious blood-like substance that let them become immortal

Eventually they called themselves the Orokin

With Earth now a radioactive pile of rubble, they forced humanity to expand across the solar system

Their technology let them start to terraform the planets with land and build space stations above the gas planets

Eventually two things happened

The Orokin Supreme Court, the "Executors" became the de facto rulers of the Empire instead of the Emperors

And an Orokin mad scientist successfully tore open a portal to the Void, which they had originally believed was just a big space of nothingness

This let the empire restructure itself

Instead of space travel taking weeks or months, it was now a matter of hours

Take off from your planet or space station, go to the nearest solar rail, and within minutes you were at another planet

The mad scientist's REAL goal though was getting humanity to another solar system

But the trip would still take decades/centuries

The Orokin didn't want to go themselves, even in cryosleep

So they finally, after fighting against the decision for a very long time, made machines that would go to Tau Ceti, terraform it, and build a solar rail when the work was done

The Grineer and Corpus are kinda separate to this

Sometime early on, the Orokin decided they didn't want machines to do certain basic work for them, so they made clones

Genetically perfect clones that had loyalty to the Orokin programmed into their DNA

Their face and bodies were so perfect though that the different "models" were basically identical

Over time the Orokin started hating that kind of copied perfection, which leads to them taking on fashion trends like blue skin and mismatched arms

The Corpus are a different story again

A farmer's son decided one day he didn't want to work as a farmer

So he ran to the nearest town and ripped a gem off the gates, claiming it was repayment for the work his family had done

The city guards chopped off his hand as punishment, without noticing the boy had put the gem in his mouth

He sold that gem and started a small business

Over time it became a big business

The Orokin HATED merchantry because it was beneath them

[quiet falcon]

(They seem to hate everything, lol)

[pearl axle]

man I wish they elaborated more on the base syndicates with quests and lore

[stiff fable]

But the Old War screwed up their own economic system, so Parvos Granum's "Corpus" were given special dispensation to make goods and services for the Orokin

Fast forward 1500 years or so and the Corpus run the entire economy of the Origin System

[quiet falcon]

(What was the Old War?)

[stiff fable]

The Sentients blowing up every Orokin ship that tried to enter Tau

[fast dew]

Hey chat have we considered Yonta's Albrecht dream isnt actually Albrecht but wally meaning how his body is literally everywhere

[stiff fable]

And then later getting serious about killing humanity

[quiet falcon]

Aaaaaaaah, okay

[stiff fable]

isn't that the standard reading?

[fast dew]

Surprisingly not

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jackie-chan-17--k01KQR6P958S911KYY5RB8ECXVA

[quiet falcon]

So, after the sentients got to Tau, they just didn't let humanity get there, claiming it as their own?

[stiff fable]

They did most of the work they were sent to do

[fast dew]

Now back to oblivion because of Australia's shitty mobile coverage

[stiff fable]

They built cities, they separated land from oceans, they planted forests

They even finished the solar rail

But they didn't finish the atmospheres.

The Orokin sent a small ship through and the Sentients apparently spoke with the people aboard

(including the Executor, Tormis)

The ship was allowed to return without issue

Then the Sentients blew up every ship that came afterwards

It's likely though still unconfirmed that the Sentients wanted to see if the Orokin had changed from what they remembered

[quiet falcon]

(Which started the old war?)

[stiff fable]

Were they as bad as they seemed, or was that prejudice from when the Sentients really were glorified farming equipment

[quiet falcon]

(It uh... was definitely the former)

Ah, then the old war took place, in which Warframes were created by the orikin, the Tenno accidentally became a thing, then... the sentients won...?

Which ended the old war, and sometime after that, our Tenno woke up, and started using Warframes again?

[strange plinth]

the sentients lost the old war, then the tenno massacred the orokin during the Night of Naga Drums (started as a celebration for winning the war), and went into the Long Sleep sometime after

[quiet falcon]

Aaaaaaaaaah, okay

I was wondering how sentients could defeat what were essentially demi-gods

[stiff fable]

They were also demi-gods

[quiet falcon]

(I'm genuinely glad the Tenno got their get back on the orikin)

[quiet falcon]

Yeah, Hunhow seemed pretty... powerful... in that trailer

[glacial bough]

Because Warframes, as much as they're BS, are also not as strong as some people make them out to be

[stiff fable]

The Warframes were made by combining all the previous approaches to fighting the Sentients

[quiet falcon]

I heard a single Warframe could destroy planets with enough effort

[strange plinth]

obligatory atlas punched an asteroid
by simultaneously exploiting a ton of weakspots across its surface

[stiff fable]

Only in the same way that you or I could

[glacial bough]

Definitely not

[stiff fable]

which is to say, "not alone"

[quiet falcon]

Aaaaah, I see (by making it uninhabitable)

[quiet falcon]

I see I see

I know the general power level is contentious, but what would you say the most powerful Warframe's upper limit is?

(City, island, continent level, etc...)

[glacial bough]

Nova is the only one could in theory, but her Antimatter scale is all over the place

[stiff fable]

Warframe's powerscaling is stupid

Normal Grineer soldiers are basically 40K Space Marines

[quiet falcon]

( I had a feeling 🥹 )

[stiff fable]

There's absolutely no point in comparisons because EVERYTHING is at that level

[quiet falcon]

What level?

[stiff fable]

40K space marines

[quiet falcon]

Ah, so I see

[stiff fable]

An ultrasmurf and a Grineer lancer get into an arm wrestling contest and the lancer has a 50/50 chance of winning

unless the smurf takes off his armor, in which case the lancer always wins

Like, remember Kahl?

He can rip a turret off of a ship and use it as a heavy weapon

Warframes need anti-grav technology to do that

[quiet falcon]

(So, with physical strength alone, what's the biggest thing you think a Warframe could destroy? (I'm trying to get a sense of scale for their "power" (I know "power" is a bit ambiguous, but I couldn't think of a better term)

[strange plinth]

-# tbf i'd put that one up to gameplay > lore but whatever

[stiff fable]

Like I said, there's no point in comparisons

[quiet falcon]

Who's that?

[stiff fable]

have you finished New War

[quiet falcon]

Yes, but I probably don't remember it, lol

[strange plinth]

the grineer you play as at the start of new war

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRwqm4PkWgE

[quiet falcon]

I played that guy around the time Gauss game out

[stiff fable]

Gauss came out way before New War

[quiet falcon]

Ooooh, that one

Okay okay, I played that one recently

[stiff fable]

He's a normal Grineer soldier and he can do physical things Warframes can't

Like GreyScale said it's gameplay vs. lore

But even that just puts him at the bottom of a absurd powerscale

the reason there's no point in comparing Warframe feats to anything is that everything in Warframe land is so far beyond ours that the scale breaks down

The average Warframe can smash up a building, but the building itself is built from materials meant to take Warframe level hits

Where does that leave us? Right where we are, because you or I could smash up a building with a hammer

[strange plinth]

the only real scale we have is this /s

[quiet falcon]

I was surprised he could defeat sentients. I thought the Grineer were fodder before that mission (which confused me since I was always getting deleted by them)

[stiff fable]

The Grineer ARE fodder, the scale just breaks down

The Grineer were cloned from the first Grineer to kill a Sentient

[quiet falcon]

😭

HOW, we have Uriel!! (I'm aware that mission came out before Uriel's though)

[quiet falcon]

Aaaaah, makes sense

[stiff fable]

Lorewise Chroma could probably wreck Uriel

[quiet falcon]

Oh dang, how so?

[stiff fable]

he's meant to have some version of Sentient adaptation

[quiet falcon]

Aaaaaah

[stiff fable]

He's not actually a dragon Warframe

He's the dragonslayer

[quiet falcon]

Hopefully we'll get something like that in his rework when/if he gets one

[stiff fable]

He killed a draconic Sentient and wears its skin as armor

[glacial bough]

He's definitely not meant to have adaptation

But the coat does have implication is from a Sentient

It's very old and removed now, but people ran with it

[quiet falcon]

Huh??

Alright, and did we just kinda add that to the blueprint?

[stiff fable]

It was a long running fan theory, but earlier this year Rebecca casually confirmed it in a devshort

[glacial bough]

Did she?

[stiff fable]

yeah I know I was laughing about it

[glacial bough]

Which Devshort

[stiff fable]

October 14th

[quiet falcon]

Oh, where do the Dax come into play in the timeline?

And why were we fighting them in the Uriel quest?

[stiff fable]

Dax are basically super soldiers made by the Orokin

We don't know a ton about their history, just that they were raised to be extremely obedient to the Orokin and were kind of a status symbol

You fight them in the Old Peace because the "Anarchs" were an inside job by the Orokin

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/live/lT5teVILeDM?&t=510

"Press 4, shed your Sentient dragon pelt"

[trim tree]

If Loid agreed to go talk to the entrati family, do I need to go meet him somewhere?

[glacial bough]

That...doesn't feel like she meant Sentient over sentient

[lean garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

[restive river]

It’s funny cause
One of the community people said he’s basically just dragonframe on one of the prime times lol

Ofc Rebb’s word > theirs
Just thought it was funny

[glacial bough]

I would hesitate to say it's any kind of confirmation with how quick it is

[blissful merlin]

Yea I didn’t get Sentient from that either. Just sentient as in a living pelt lol.

[queen shale]

How the hell do you skin a sentient

[twin wigeon]

slowly ig

[humble sierra]

He has the ability to adapt which makes him one of the most powerful Warframes so that sounds like it could be directly referring to a Sentient

[queen shale]

I thought they were mostly biometal

Or just straight up robotic

[stiff beacon]

and the infestation is nano machines

[stiff fable]

The sentients seem to be made of bone, which is interesting

[stiff beacon]

at this point

[twin wigeon]

spores

[stiff beacon]

their described as nanites in the cephalon fragments

nanites are small machines ergo nano machines

[glacial bough]

They are. Like the infestation they're nanomachines at base

[celest needle]

The jade light frame exists btw

[queen shale]

Oohhhhhhh

[glacial bough]

They take on organic appearances, but Sentients are all machine

[stiff beacon]

more like robotic ferrofluid or at least perintol's proto type seemed to be

[queen shale]

So you just rip off the first layer of nano machines