lore-discussion

[pearl axle]

ohhhhhhhh

...I must be stupid because uh. how do I look at them

[fast dew]

You'd get em in the mail

They're capturas

[pearl axle]

so just this?

I have uh. never used capturas. lol

[strange plinth]

in the arsenal appearance, there's a button that'll show up on the right, can use that to open a captura scene

[fast dew]

Next to the link button, looks like a camera

[pearl axle]

.....................OH.

THEY HAVE BONUS DIALOGUE.

I'm stupid lmao

.....I can't talk to him (no interactive dialogue button like hex in backroom). he just says stuff and there's a free camera mode

I might be extremely stupid right now but uh what specifically do I do here

[fast dew]

Deadass just that

[strange plinth]

not much lol
its there for the dialogue n hanging out with them in a different environment

[pearl axle]

oh

[fast dew]

You do get a kiss if you go to them in the cathedral

[pearl axle]

yeah I did that

[strange plinth]

also is that hte damn umbra vitruvian room

[pearl axle]

yeah that's a really weird place to have a date isn't it lmao

but also I don't think there's anywhere that's romantic when I got fat ass lil mushrooms tagging along at all times

so 🤷

[restive river]

I’m gonna throw him into the bone pile with the maws

[pearl axle]

oh can you pose them

is there any way of doing like a kiss pose with them or do they just stand there

[strange plinth]

not that i'm aware of

[pearl axle]

okay

so it's pretty bare bones then

there goes my idea of posing sprods bouncing on roathe or something

[restive river]

I wonder if we’ll even get those for the other hex

I feel like the triad were poorly received compared to other protos but
Maybe thats my bubble

[fast dew]

The people who like em, like em because they don't think too hard bout them imo

[pearl axle]

the triad is weird since they really seem more like operator-facing NPCs

[restive river]

Idek if they actually talked to them 😭

[pearl axle]

I like them for characterization and lore, but their place in the actual plot is so clunky

[restive river]

They shouldn’t be datable and yeah, their placement is clunky

It feels like early into the Old Peace’s development they grafted on this tumor
And that’s the Triad

[fast dew]

The triad was forced in as content for drifter is my hot take

They did the visual rework and wanted to show it off

[restive river]

I wish Marie was more than a skin
The other proto wisp concepts were just. Better

[pearl axle]

I don't even think they're forced content, like I think they give a lot of really important lore in terms of orokin culture, sol/lua religion, rell/man in the wall stuff, etc

[restive river]

She should have been bald :/

[fast dew]

Like i get Roathe is connected to the old peace but like. Cmon

[pearl axle]

like all that stuff is really cool additions to the game, just the presentation of it kinda sucks

[fast dew]

They don't really give us. Particularly new information, imo

[restive river]

The execution was very poor, yeah

[fast dew]

Shoudlve had her cowl coverering her head properly

[pearl axle]

I feel like Roathe's stuff on Nitokh is pretty new

[restive river]

Well Roathe does, he fills things out a bit more
And while Lyon doesn’t he is a much better example of the infestation’s weird connections with itself

[fast dew]

Im unsure how it doesnt just fall off lol

[restive river]

Like the line from Lyon about how he could feel Rell until he came to a time when Rell had passed
That’s cool

[restive river]

Should’ve had her just be a completely different person

[fast dew]

Mhm, but then marie rehashes it and its like. Yeah I knew that

[pearl axle]

yeah it's not new revelations or anything but I like the little details and perspectives on things we already have an inkling of

[fast dew]

Equinox, get rid of both her and lyon

Why waste writing on two people when we can have equinox

[restive river]

Nono
Keep Lyon
But he isn’t a Lua priest he’s both

Lyon can stay, he is the most pookie of the triad

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, where do you think Albrecht leaned to? Sol or Lua? Do we think cardinals leaned towards either side?

[restive river]

Lua tbh

[fast dew]

Yeah, he is lua coded, visually at least

[restive river]

I could see him keeping balance but he’s more of a Lua guy in my head

[strange plinth]

would an equinox proto be better or worse to be having the faith crisis, as opposed to lyon

[fast dew]

I think it should be lyon as equinox

[restive river]

I don’t think they’d have a faith crisis
But
Maybe better?

[pearl axle]

hot take equinox should've been the first nonbinary frame (with masc day side and fem night side)

[fast dew]

Decouple the frame's gender from the host's gender DE please

[restive river]

Listen, if we could have Equinox dualism proto but had to trash Marie AND Lyon
I would say yes
But Lyon did nothing wrong

[fast dew]

Lyon is just. Filling for Marie

[restive river]

He does his own thing

[fast dew]

And that leaves him empty feeling without her

He does but a chunk of his character is involved in Marie

[restive river]

A bit ig yeah
I do enjoy his story but he is intrinsically tied to her

You unfortunately cannot have one without the other

[fast dew]

And then you have roach

[restive river]

And unfortunately one is
Ugh

[strange plinth]

some would say that she was, but DE was questioned on it and they backtracked

[restive river]

If Roathe didn’t make everything stupidly complex and he wasn’t datable
He’d be fine

[pearl axle]

lyon and marie are both kinda empty without roathe imo. on their own they feel like literal exposition characters (that you can also sleep with just because) who exist to loredump stuff at you about albrecht and religion

[fast dew]

Turning roathe into a slug and throwing him into a pile of salt

[strange plinth]

lavos, i have a job for you

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/sine-sine-wave-sea-slugs-fanclub-slug-sea-slug-gif-13327297506846977289

[fast dew]

See slugs are cool, they're fine

[restive river]

I do enjoy how genuinely insufferable he is to speak to, I enjoy his writing cause
That’s the point
He’s an Orokin

But the problem is the system is so complex that even aside from the bugs I probably would have had to reset and so no matter what I don’t want to talk to him again

[fast dew]

And hes a bit of a failure when it comes to what he was made to do

[pearl axle]

I found him ok to talk to, it's just the bugs for me

[fast dew]

Oh, you're changed?

Why do I see literally no change

[restive river]

Thomas
What is Roathe even like when he’s “good”

[fast dew]

He. Doesn't particularly change much dialogue

[pearl axle]

the biggest problem for me isn't even that. it's like..these characters don't feel forced. drifter being there feels forced

and the whole kim thing

[restive river]

Awesome
So he’s worse than the family

[strange plinth]

well another thing that doesn't change is how much he talks

[restive river]

I do kinda agree yeah, it’s an Operator centric update and Drifter gets a whole half of the content pie?
And a bigger half at that

[pearl axle]

I had to redo his romance because of kim bugs lol. didn't redeem him first, thought I'd try to redeem him the second time because I might as well right?

[restive river]

Also the triad do feel more like skins first, characters second
At least to many of us
Marie especially

[fast dew]

Just. "Oh im gonna protect the entrati family because they have no chance against the murmur" in the good ending, over "Oh im gonna protect the entrati family because im gonna kill em to get back at Albrecht"

[pearl axle]

and his dialogue isn't all that different regarding the whole redeem or not thing

[fast dew]

Like. Cool Roathe, but you are ignoring Father has fought off murmur before

[restive river]

Alright buddy
I think the family could defend themselves

[fast dew]

And I dont trust him around Daughter

[pearl axle]

but when he asked me why I reset his memory I wish I could've said "the void made you hate me for no reason man, I kinda had to" because you know, none of the options are true lol.

[restive river]

For what reason
I am afraid

[fast dew]

Like girl he is NOT your friend

[fast dew]

Eh, daughter sees him as. Charming! Ignoring everyone's words on him

That. Just sounds dangerous lmao

Orokin on orokin vibing but if the others are saying not to trust him girl perhaps you should listen

[restive river]

Ew ew ew ew
Girl
You have KAHL

[fast dew]

The guy Roathe would call a slur

Like girl be so fr

[restive river]

Hey why isn’t chopping his head off an option?
Why do we need Roathe alive??

[pearl axle]

honestly I just kinda wish the operator is the one who gets to reuinite loid and the entrati family. put roathe somewhere else idk.

[restive river]

That would have been better!

[pearl axle]

I don't even dislike roathe, but if they really wanted the triad to be drifter's plotline couldn't they have like...idk, have albrecht shove them into duviri

[fast dew]

Shout out to daughter and Father's new lines

"Nevermind the whole treason thing, that was blown way out of proportion"

Father.

[restive river]

Tbf he didn’t even shove them on us, they were hidden away in 1899 til Roathe (somehow) made a helminth time portal back

[fast dew]

I feel as if it was something Albrecht prepared for, if not intended on

[pearl axle]

I just felt like this would've been more elegant if instead of a hidden cathedral in 1899, albrecht hid all 3 of them in duviri which is how roathe reached out to drifter specifically

and it'll be explicitly the drifter tie in part of the old peace story

and just remove the whole convince roathe to reunite the family stuff? make operator do it, considering they're the one that repaired the entrati family already

all of the characters and plot points could work and aren't bad. the execution is

[fast dew]

Could've had a proper echoes update

Should've had it in the echoes update

[celest needle]

what is the lore of the circuit anyway?
only the drifter can enter duviri right?

[restive river]

Ah man I sure wish I could experience these in-gameplay without talking to a horrible human being!

[fast dew]

Father's lines are. Weird sounding, I wouldn't be too rushed

[strange plinth]

oh cool

[pale cedar]

It’s deep Void that only Drifter is brave enough to enter

[restive river]

Tbh maybe yeah
Albrecht could be hopping around and with void weirdness he could have just
Sent them to Duviri, Roathe as additional punishment ig and the other two for his guards
Then you could have descendia be a void thing too (though it being the refractory is also cool)

[pearl axle]

kaelli: loid had horrible taste in men, look at my grandpa
also kaelli: roathe my beloved
girl 😐

[restive river]

Lmao
Also love the line about her looking at our frame, out of context it seems like she’s making a frame
Nah
Dad arm

[pale cedar]

Another line we can use against people thinking the Orokin made it

[restive river]

Kahl: kaelli, we must save my brothers!

[zenith ore]

[restive river]

Then Roathe calls him a slur
Then Kailli kills Roathe
And all is set right

[fast dew]

Shout out to Son saying he can excuse Albrecht leaving the family + Mother's and Grandmother's new lines

[pearl axle]

I ship kaelli and kahl and kahl's brothers and girl brothers

[fast dew]

"Grandfather wasn't just a rejected scientist, he was a rejected poet, too. I've done my part to keep up the tradition"

[celest needle]

Why so many neural sentry enemies in there?

[pearl axle]

the boy whose body I wear?

[pale cedar]

Because the Void towers are in the Void

[restive river]

Did Otak get anything ):

also Bird 3 :o

[celest needle]

But they stuck on void tower?

[fast dew]

Not to my knowledge no :(

[fast dew]

Son did continuity

[pale cedar]

Duviri sucks them in

[restive river]

I genuinely wish I didn’t have to deal with the roach to hear these in game ):

[fast dew]

Its evil

[pearl axle]

oh makes sense

[pale cedar]

I wonder if you fail if Roathe still goes upstairs anyway

[fast dew]

Not a fail if he does that

[restive river]

It’s literally more so the fact by this point that 2/3 of the triad I just do not want to talk to again 😭

And I already aced Lyon

[fast dew]

A fail is him refusing to do so, along with Loid or others of the triad

[restive river]

That connected something in my brain

Would Lyon be ace?

Like if they didn’t make the triad datable for no reason

[fast dew]

Yeah, I like to headcanon he is

He can feel romantic, but not sexual attraction imo

[pearl axle]

I mean asexual people can still feel romantic attraction

[restive river]

I could maybe see aro
But def ace

[pearl axle]

Lyon strikes me as that

[restive river]

Yes I’m well aware of that

[pale cedar]

It’s still funny how so many people fail KIM despite how easy it is

[strange plinth]

listening to roathe's date lines and
should make a gameshow with roathe's lines to see if you can guess if its redeemed or villain

[restive river]

Just
With dating in Warframe it ends up being more. Touchy
Like
Verbally

The Hex are understandably uh. Wanting physical attention
To say it as carefully as possible

[strange plinth]

from someone that ended up dating Lyon, yeah, i'd say that vibe is accurate

[pearl axle]

the hex had issues but they're not lyon issues

[fast dew]

-# the random sexual comments roathe makes at you and the others

[restive river]

Peak knows peak (you dated lyon)

[restive river]

Him doing that with Marie is so upsetting

[fast dew]

He does it to Lyon too, its so gross

[restive river]

It feels like every chance I tried to give her was shot with a tigris 22 times

[fast dew]

Like dawg I didn't romance you for a reason SHUT UP

Kicking the shit out of him

Loid beat Roathe's ass

[pale cedar]

Loid shoot Roathe in the unprotected face

[restive river]

Oh I don’t mean like that
I mean they’ve been infested and hiding out with the same group of people for well over a year, fighting against a facist religious millitary cult

[pearl axle]

I just like how we all independently came to the conclusion that lyon has romantic ace vibes

[fast dew]

Its just how he feels

[restive river]

Basically canon

[pearl axle]

xata

[fast dew]

If he absolutely had to have that, hed be a marriage first guy i feel, even then, you'd be waiting yonks

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[restive river]

At least he’s in a more accepting time now ig

[fast dew]

Also screw Son for saying Albrecht is a failed poet, his poetry has some of the hardest lines in the game

[restive river]

Unfortunately he and his “pals” will eventually succumb to the infestation right before our eyes

Except not really cause the devs forgot 😛

[fast dew]

Dw we'll just shove them into the 1999 loop

Lyon and Eleanor vibe club

[restive river]

He’s just mad at us for not saving every single infested lion

[strange turtle]

He just hasn’t found the Scholar’s Landing poetry yet 😤

[restive river]

I will save Lyon and Marie
Not Roathe.

[pearl axle]

I haven't either lol

[pale cedar]

Think Wally is gonna get a Weirdmageddon scene soon?

[strange turtle]

Oh it doesn’t actually exist in-game

Wally just mentioned it

[restive river]

As much as I do not like Marie I would rather save her
If not just so she could get exposed to the (rightful) Albrecht haters

[fast dew]

Noone has, the joke is is that its the tortured love poetry neci mentions lol

[pearl axle]

oh lmao

[restive river]

The moment we see an original finger
It’s over

[fast dew]

Albrecht wrote sad love poetry

[pearl axle]

sad lobe poetry

[fast dew]

"Dear diary, loid yelled at me today :("

[pearl axle]

like when you get a piercing but your ear gets infected D:

[fast dew]

Canon Albrecht event

[restive river]

Ok it has been a bit so forgive me and correct me if I’m wrong
Is the spider fragments from Neci not her being like. Preyed on
Since
Childhood

[fast dew]

-# cuz he has ear piercings

[strange plinth]

heavily implied if not outright, yea

[restive river]

what is with Wally and kids

[pearl axle]

children are fun to torment

[restive river]

It is deeply uncomfortable

[fast dew]

Im a believer of the whole. Its genuine feelings she had, but wally coming back in retrospect to change it

[fast dew]

Wally is a predator :)

[restive river]

So like what happened with Lyon but Wally instead of Infested

[fast dew]

Yeah. Thats what I think

[restive river]

Yeah I was basically trying to ask if that was further confirmation

[pearl axle]

lyon also got a good dose of the wally though, because of the whole harrow and rell thing

[fast dew]

Wally defenders when I point out wally is just evil and generally an abuser:

[restive river]

By this point Wally’s in the files

[restive river]

Yup!
But his thing was more infested messin’ with stuff and also due to Rell/Harrow/Wally

I would like to see more protos be in-tune with their og frame

[pearl axle]

guy just has everything bad ever

[restive river]

My partner made up one for Voruna about her hating Tuvul and not knowing why!

[strange turtle]

Just realised, Parvos would also be one of these kids right?

He was hearing the voices for a good while

[pearl axle]

I forgot if I asked here before but...are voruna's wolves like. warframified wolves?

on that note is venari a kavat warframe

[restive river]

Which
I had the realization that a Xaku proto, aside from having multiple minds in some way, would be haunted by void spirits
Likely how their mind is fractured actually

[fast dew]

You know if I had a dollar for every time I knew a wally/Roathe defender who hated Albrecht over the predatory people they defend, I'd have 4 dollars

[restive river]

O hmy god

[strange turtle]

They’re like how there’s Venari, but she had five of them and they got physically fused to her form later on

[restive river]

ok we need to kill Wally NOW

[pearl axle]

I simply think they all suck

[narrow pendant]

their heads fused with her

[restive river]

She’s immortal and I think maybe infested?

[pale cedar]

He tried doing it to an adult and it didn’t work leading him to lose a few fingers

[narrow pendant]

drusus also knows of parvos once speaking in void tongue

[fast dew]

Are we sure that was parvos 😭

[restive river]

He even tried to use his childhood name
He really tried it
Didn’t work
Then turned to full on predator mode

[restive river]

Drusus wasn’t stalked in any way by Wally at least
I hope

[fast dew]

I hope..

[restive river]

Can we use the g word to describe what Wally does?
Is that accurate?

I’m treading lightly cause this is messed up

[narrow pendant]

dante leverian has drusus talk about how dante couldnt resist the urge to read the grimoire and learn the language, the same language drusus has heard parvos speak

[fast dew]

Mm. That word usually has sexual connotations but It. Can be used for what wally is doing

[restive river]

“How to beat in embodiment of entropy’s head in”

[strange plinth]

she's referred to as "a little girl" throughout the whole thing but the first threads line up with what we know of Neci

An envious little girl, who watched as the whole world had more than she did. All the nice things, all the expensive things. And so she took what she didn't have.

But she clung to her favourite toy and filled her life with family and told the spider to GO! AWAY!

A frightened little girl, who ran and hid and was so afraid of everything around her. But most of all, she was afraid to die.

But she hid her fear away in the arms of strangers and told the spider to GO! AWAY!

A sad little girl, who watched as the world went wrong. Watched as people fought. As people lied. A sad little girl who watched as her parents grew farther and farther apart.

But she turned away from the sadness and filled her life with faith and told the spider to GO! AWAY!
particularly the second and third. (omitted) fourth would probably be joining up with scaldra, fifth would be the deal/right before the hex

[restive river]

I need Wally like
Dead

[pearl axle]

the g word???

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/aa-gif-24433964

[fast dew]

And you'll still see the folk saying "we can make wally better!!"

[restive river]

rhymes with loom

[strange turtle]

Groom

[pearl axle]

Wally KIM romance let's gooooooo

OH LOL ok yeah

[fast dew]

-# Wally is just. A groomer and its pretty gross

[restive river]

Tbh if it was spelled out for some a bit more I think they’d want him dead too

Give me Xaku proto who talks about what Wally really does :)

[fast dew]

I always kinda figured that it was obvious 😭 something something pattern recognition

[restive river]

Yeahh
But they did make Marie
Sooo

[pearl axle]

do...do people genuinely defend an eldritch horror that enjoys tormenting children for unkown reasons???

[strange plinth]

yeah.

[restive river]

-# Which I think maybe most missed the point and just was staring at her “art assets”…

[fast dew]

Yeah. Under the guise of "hes a victim!!!!"

Like idgaf if hes a victim that doesn't excuse shit

[restive river]

Victims can still be abusers people

[strange turtle]

It’s obvious once you actually have it all lined up, but it’s all in separated bits of content that’s optional to engage with

[pearl axle]

he's...not shown any indication of even possessing human concepts morality

[fast dew]

Exactly Exactly

[restive river]

It’s obvious to us cause we’re rabid and eat up all the info

[pearl axle]

I feel like victim or abuser is kinda irrelevant when he's like

[fast dew]

Oh but hes just a baby he doesnt know any better :((((((/s

[pearl axle]

an inhuman amoral horror monster lol

[dark compass]

Me when a creature formed by the feeling of horror and cosmic entropy is doing bad things

[restive river]

I really
Really hope he never gets his hands on the baby
He does like the. Unique.
):

[fast dew]

True, but there is. That and

Being. A groomer 😭

[fast dew]

OH NO YOU'RE RIGHT

No what if that is what happened

[strange plinth]

oh wait he's literally entropy because albrecht was searching for the thing to let the orokin escape dying with the sun

[fast dew]

Her concept art were so much better

[restive river]

I remember being scared about it when the update came out but with more of his crimes and him literally being a predator (non-sexually)
Uh
):

[strange turtle]

We have the Operator as the obvious example, but it’s not as overt because it only occasionally pops up and he doesn’t do much (until The Voices bit got brought back up again with Old Peace and Folly)

But with Parvos you have to listen to the Tenets and then get confirmation to be sure from Drusus, and with Neci you need to collect the fragments around Triumph of Dust

[pearl axle]

show

[restive river]

She should have been bald
Or old
Or goth
And also not an albrecht glazer

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-47-cat-game-gif-18225718487563422536

[pearl axle]

she should've been a completely different character

[fast dew]

This is me

[fast dew]

She would've been a more. Normal Albrecht defender

[restive river]

Oh yeah
Wally was in our head after the zariman
He was grooming us even then

[fast dew]

Yeah

[restive river]

Yeah lol
That is basically my opinion for Marie

[fast dew]

Folk been hating on my truth 💔

[strange plinth]

The Man in the Wall: "Slice. Burn. Maim. We love it when you get to cut loose."
mm. yeah

[dark compass]

Her concept work is just so much more flavorful :(

Her final design feels kinda sanitized

[pearl axle]

I don't even mind marie much because like...as I've stated my issues with the devil's triad has nothing to do with any of the characters and everything to do with the clunky execution

[restive river]

I was so excited for her, I love Wisp’s gameplay, she’s kinda gender sometimes
Then Marie drops and I liked that she was curious! And she seemed so bright!
I love her backstory and that she discusses chronic pain and disability!
And then the Albrecht glazing
And then the argument with Tagfer

[strange plinth]

why do i like almost all of the concept art more than the final design

[pearl axle]

because it's a lot easier to make something look good in 2D (fixed perspective) than 3D

[restive river]

She looks so much better bald ugh

[pearl axle]

see also: ash protoframe

[dark compass]

That's true, but also

[restive river]

Bald Marie is more attractive

[dark compass]

Making her bald would've worked in the actual game

[fast dew]

I vibe with this

[fast dew]

Xata nuke lowkey

[restive river]

SAME

[fast dew]

Just on the right side of masc for me

[dark compass]

Not exactly hard to translate

[restive river]

Wisp feels like the embodiment of missed opportunities 😔

[dark compass]

Also it would've made sense

[pearl axle]

I like this one

[fast dew]

Tbf masc doesnt mean shit to me, butch women my beloved but like she is treading the line between femme n butch

[dark compass]

Wisp is bald, Marie is bald.

[restive river]

The black curls peaking out are so good with it

[dark compass]

It would've been perfect harmony

[fast dew]

Instead shes

Blonde

[restive river]

I get that the protos aren’t their frames
This would have been better

Are
Aren’t Lua nuns bald???

[fast dew]

YEAH

[restive river]

Do Sol nuns just get to keep their hair for some reason?

[fast dew]

But she's a sol nun :(

[restive river]

I do like that sol nuns exist

[strange plinth]

i particularly enjoy this one
it'd be interesting to have her warframe aspects based on an alt helmet

[restive river]

But
Man
It’d be more consistent

[restive river]

Isn’t that the tennogen one or is that the other one

[fast dew]

Nah thats her alt helm from.her collection

[pearl axle]

honestly I feel like compared to the hex

[restive river]

Thank you :]

[pearl axle]

the devil's triad all lack a certain level of...I guess subtlety?

[restive river]

Yeah

[strange plinth]

that's the Gaoth helm, the tennogen is Damas and the hood overhangs a bit more

[pale cedar]

Sun protection

[restive river]

The Hex are still objectively the best

[fast dew]

They're beating you over the head with a cast iron pan

[restive river]

As an albino
No
She needs a hat, not hair lol

[pearl axle]

hex designs are a perfect blend of that grungy 90s tacticool and warframe's high concept scifi aesthetic

[restive river]

The roundtable emulate it but do waaay more

[fast dew]

Xata nuke

And like. At least sunscreen, spf 50 upwards too

[pearl axle]

devil's triad design overall just felt almost like...you can put them in soulframe and they won't look that out of place lol

they're very high fantasy

[restive river]

Like that awful Voruna skin!

[strange turtle]

Honestly I kinda like it as a contrast. Also you can kinda compare it with like, depictions of the two.

Ik it sounds stupid but hear me out. In art the moon is like a bald/shaved head, it’s all bare.
But then the sun gets the little like, wavy stripes coming off of
It. Like hair

[strange plinth]

mm, i can see that, yeah

[fast dew]

Oh ducky you'd probably burn up so badly here in Australia 😭

[humble sierra]

Soulframe designs are a fair bit more medieval

[restive river]

I like that the Constellation Crew are utilizing the, apparently established, futuristic style!

[fast dew]

Cyberpunk-esque

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

[fast dew]

Why is that word in my autocorrect

[humble sierra]

Yeah Vena's basically got the an edgerunner jacket

[humble sierra]

Cyberpunk has reached dictionaries

[strange turtle]

Like ts

[fast dew]

What the shit lol

[restive river]

I need to play cyberpunk
But too much happening ):

[pale cedar]

Will Warframe ever reach dictionaries?

[fast dew]

I should make loid in cyberpunk 2077

[pearl axle]

(please give ryoku an actual butt in his final design. please default ash's flat ass is so ugly to look at and I'm not even gooning)

[restive river]

Oh
Idr who I was talking to but I found out that I think they’re still doing the mind control thing in Soulframe

Which to also tie this to Warframe
Soulframe’s Ode are just Narmer!

[fast dew]

Nooo we need more flat men

[restive river]

LMAO

[fast dew]

Liger sit your ass down we have enough

[pearl axle]

he doesn't need a sevvy dumptruck he just needs something

[restive river]

Have them stand up for Vena though
She’s great

[fast dew]

His proportions do need a little adjusting i will admit that

[restive river]

I can’t wait to play more Garuda for
Reasons

[fast dew]

The way i was not okay when I saw Vena

[pearl axle]

I'm not into murder mommies but all my friends are, so, yay?

[restive river]

LOL

[fast dew]

The fear of her being orokin terrified me

[restive river]

OH MY GOD

NO SAME I HAD SUCH GENUINE DREAD

[fast dew]

Worse, the idea of her being Nitokh scared the shit out of me too

[restive river]

SAME

[fast dew]

I was on a vc with a mate and I was yelling too loud 💔

[dark compass]

I feel like they just weren't white ready to get bold with it.

You can look at 1999 Garuda and see how she was nothing but her frame with a different head and a bunch of pocket straps. That's how all of the hex look, it's hard to deny.

With roundtable they got much bolder, replacing existing frame parts with a grounded tech equivalent and making the bodies more "lived in" if that makes sense

Then the tried just happened to pick the weirdest more fantasy-ish frames that resulted in them looking a bit outlandish

Now we have Garuda and Ash. Their designs are their own. And only barely mimic the original. I think DE just took their time trying to figure out how to approach protoframe design and at which point they should stop with the "human" part of the look.

[fast dew]

It was like. 5am

[humble sierra]

Yeah I was worried they just drop Nitokh after two updates of mentioning of her

[restive river]

It took me the entire stream to become normal and finally be excited cause just the thought that Proto Nitokh was real was petrifying

[pearl axle]

I feel like DE is tasteful enough not to make a Ball Ass tier shit person playable lol

[strange turtle]

Mind control thing?

[fast dew]

Roathe having a tail is so strange too btw

Like is that tail yourself or

[humble sierra]

Ode are cultish and stuff

[fast dew]

Is it a thing from the strain

[dark compass]

You can have a little prototail, as a treat

[restive river]

The constellation crew make me hopeful for new protos, which is nice after the triad lol

[fast dew]

If its from the strain, why is it so different

[restive river]

The spellsong
Idk how it works
But basically veils

[fast dew]

Id like a tail tbh

[dark compass]

Maybe he is just an orokin with a body mod

[pearl axle]

this makes the potential of an atlas proto with a prehensile bacon flap all the more terrifying imo

[dark compass]

What if the tail is his own

[strange turtle]

Bacon flap 😭

[humble sierra]

While I like the designs (besides the hair), at the same time I'm concerned for their writing since these guys don't have KIMs

[restive river]

Roathe is the first evil furry we know of

[fast dew]

What possibly could've-

[strange plinth]

as i was just looking through a bunch of his date dialogue, its the strain. i do not know why its different from Uriel's but he comments on it like its new

[fast dew]

Yeah roathe is a furry.

[fast dew]

💔

[dark compass]

Tail was here before the Helminth, the truth has been revealed

[fast dew]

Balls. Thats so balls.

[restive river]

Same here actually
That is the most scary part but I’m willing to see what they have in store

[dark compass]

He just really wanted to have one

[strange plinth]

"To think my body now shares more in common with that twisted shape than it did with my former self. I admit, I do think we both rather enjoy the tail, don't we?"

[dark compass]

The way he constantly talks about as if he is used to it as a part of his body

[fast dew]

Ducky is this in reference to the warframe universe because i can list several evil furries irl

[dark compass]

First evil furry in warframe

[restive river]

Yes
I forgot about the archons LOL

[dark compass]

Archons had no say in it

[restive river]

archons are evil furries

[pale cedar]

Still furry

[restive river]

Nira and Pazuul are at least

[pearl axle]

why wouldn't the tail be from the frame though? no other orokin has it, uriel has a tail

[restive river]

Idk what Amar is doing ngl
Can we like
Help him

[restive river]

They can body mod

[fast dew]

Compare the tail rq

[restive river]

We know green and purple orokin exist but have never seen it

[strange plinth]

the design of Roathe's tail and Uriel's tail are very different

Roathe has a knife for some reason

[restive river]

If you make an Orokin oc, don’t just make em blue
We have
So many colors for these shmucks

[fast dew]

One is a regular tail

One has a knife

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cute-pets-funny-animals-fabulous-gif-6020879771130460603

Fashionable

[fast dew]

I really need to draw Nihil ngl

[restive river]

Man I need that gif but Kalymos

[dark compass]

His confidence of using his tail for different things speaks volumes

[fast dew]

I should draw him for murmay...

[restive river]

If we gave Tagfer a gun would he shoot Roathe?

[fast dew]

Turn tht dude into a sharkman

Yes.

[restive river]

Roathe is just turning into my Tuvul 2 guys
Help

[fast dew]

Maybe we should tell Loid about Wally being a creep

[dark compass]

Tagfer would be really trigger happy and sometimes shoot in the air just to feel something

[pale cedar]

Since some people became Warframes for committing crimes doesn’t that mean any Warframe based on an animal could be an evil furry?

[fast dew]

Maybe that'll get Loid to personally kill him

[dark compass]

What if it's the opposite

[restive river]

Zylock in hand

[fast dew]

Xata..

[dark compass]

And you're only an animal frame if you're not a furry, as a form of punishment

Therefore almost all frames are furries

[pearl axle]

so I launched the game just to check in the arsenal....I actually never noticed that roathe doesn't have a normal uriel tail lol wtf

[dark compass]

[restive river]

Ok but evil to us or evil to the orokin

[fast dew]

Now you know :)

[restive river]

Sorren and Jade were not evil
Just sayin’

[pale cedar]

In the eyes of the law

[fast dew]

It also has a bit of his skin on it

[dark compass]

DE even BRAGGED about making his tail the way it is

[restive river]

Orokin law or us law

[pearl axle]

but like why. the normal tail loks better imo

[fast dew]

And it kinda sucks 😭

[pale cedar]

Orokin law

[dark compass]

See that's why our explanation matters

He was a furry with a body mod

[restive river]

Ok so
If the law makers are evil
Then the laws are actually good
So all animal frames are actually good furries!

[dark compass]

It's clearly intended for use

It has a knife

[fast dew]

Tail is cool and all but.

How is it special enough to need a whole group for it :?

[restive river]

What’s Roathe’s fursona?
A vermink?

[fast dew]

Kubrodon or however you spell it

[dark compass]

Something with a long tail

[pearl axle]

okay quick arsenal comparison here

[restive river]

HE ADDED A KNIRE LOL

[pearl axle]

did...did Roathe intentionally stick a knife on there

[restive river]

I DONT THINK THATS EVEN A BODY MOD
HE JUST STUCK A KNIFE ON IT LMAO

[dark compass]

You can also see the tail still has his red orokin outfit on it

[strange plinth]

he just strapped a knife to his tail lmfao

[restive river]

LMAO

[fast dew]

And he'd blame Albrecht for the upgrade smh

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-knifekid-noo-funny-escape-gif-12781000

[pale cedar]

What if the law maker is evil and the person is also evil

[pearl axle]

yeah for real

[restive river]

Double negative, it’s good now

[dark compass]

Enemy of my enemy is

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-knife-hoecat-gif-24428368

[restive river]

Evil furry is now good

Oh
Roathe would be a kavat actually

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-enemy-gif-26060704

[restive river]

Stalker during the collapse

[fast dew]

A black kavat

[restive river]

Cause unlucky or
Cause he’d prob be blue

[pale cedar]

A blue Kavat

[restive river]

Actually. Damn
Roathe’s color scheme might go crazy on a Kavat

[dark compass]

Didn't he call himself a fox one time

[restive river]

A vulpaphyla?

[fast dew]

He can go eat shit he aint a fox

[restive river]

LOL

That was personal

[fast dew]

Thats propagating the idea foxes are evil

[fast dew]

Big fox enjoyer here

[strange plinth]

not based on a quick search through his direct quotes n kim
maybe in some random descendia dialogue though, that's a separate page

[restive river]

Oooh

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-you-have-alerted-the-fox-gif-7931985576876331806

[dark compass]

I remember him calling himself some animal

[restive river]

I can see it cause sneaky but
Yeah no foxes arent evil

[fast dew]

No animal really is

[restive river]

Man he isn’t even a cat
Idek what animal he is

Uh
Some kinda lizard

[fast dew]

Hes a creature.

A slug

[restive river]

He’s a lizard and one of the kinds that’s evil

[dark compass]

Bullshit with fur

[fast dew]

Lyon is a seabunny :)

[restive river]

Man there is no evil lizard ):

[fast dew]

Marie lowkey reminds me of a horse

[restive river]

Animals aren’t inherently evil cause they don’t even have a perception of good or evil, which in of themselves are subjective concepts

[strange plinth]

there's an incredibly violent gecko though, which is close
its blue, too

[restive river]

She would have been a horse girl if her dad wasn’t scum of the earth

[restive river]

Ok close enough, that’s roathe

[fast dew]

Which does align with what roathe attempts do, but kinda fails at it

[fast dew]

Awh man :(

Marie is a horse now. Let her have fun as a horse

Mods. Make marie into a horse

[restive river]

What were his two conditions?
Keep family safe cause want to kill them and keep family safe cause. Why?

Mods, horse this girl

[fast dew]

To get back at Albrecht, for. Whatever reason

[restive river]

If we ever get anything else with Marie I hope she’s done well

[fast dew]

"Haha look your family doesn't need you" roathe man i think he knew that

[restive river]

So he just doesn’t get better

And we can still
Romance him
For
Some reason

[fast dew]

He has the potential to

Which is my biggest disappointment

They didnt want to condemn the other ending

[restive river]

:/

[pale cedar]

I wonder what a redeemed Ballas would be like

[restive river]

I love DE
They’re being a bit too careful and that has me worried

[fast dew]

Cowards

[restive river]

Dead
Decapitated
Burned alive
Electrocuted
Ashes
Transmuted into literal waste

[restive river]

They did it with Follie’s gamemode too
But I think that one was due to more actual panic cause of the operation

[strange plinth]

Javi that guy
but just the first part, leave him as some sludge

[restive river]

Really hope the hunt gamemode gets a touchup
Remove 99% of enemies
Keep scary one
Make them immortal
Have ways to get around dead ends

Was there a confirmation on Follie’s lore or is it just varying consensuses from theories

[strange plinth]

just the latter afaik

[pale cedar]

There’s something I have a small gripe with Roathe about

He says Ballas wasn’t the worst Orokin in Orokin era but we see him as because of experience but at the same time the logic he applies can equally be used on who he sees as the worst

[restive river]

I know there was the idea that the therapist was turned into Follie but that
Goes against one of the paintings

And I got that the therapy at least started before the transference stuff

[restive river]

Yupp

Ballas wasn’t bad by Roathe’s standards and perspective but iirc he acknowledged that he was awful from ours
Which
Ok bro he still sucked

Glad more than half of the seven are dead tho

[dark compass]

I can't find the dialogue

I distinctly remember something like that

[restive river]

Does he mention vulpaphylas?

Those are foxes

[dark compass]

It was a dialogue about something along the lines of

Who he is in this situation

Between two animals

And he picks a third, different animal

I can't remember but I'm like 100% sure this was a thing

[pearl axle]

"cat or dog"
"chimp"
"wtf"

[restive river]

Do you remember the animals?

[dark compass]

No!!!

[restive river]

):

[dark compass]

Otherwise it would've been quickly found

[restive river]

I tried vulpa btw
Nothin

[strange plinth]

nothing in the idle cathedral dialogue either

[pale cedar]

Sometimes finding stuff on Kimulacrum can be so difficult

Either extremely easy or extremely hard no in between

[pearl axle]

Ordis seems to have misplaced those memories

[strange turtle]

It’s not even like, fused into it or anything

He’s just stuck ts in like a clip-on tie 😭

[strange turtle]

Eternalism means that somewhere out there, theres a timeline with Umarie

[fast dew]

Xata..

[pale cedar]

Time to hack into another timeline

I got bored and saw a thing where a person said that farming Rhino destroyed them and that they expected Heart of Deimos to not do that

[strange plinth]

huh

[pearl axle]

Did they have the worst luck imaginable and can't get one of the pieces for hours

[pale cedar]

I think they expected it to just give all pieces straight away

[pallid spoke]

That man was too far gone.

His death was a mercy compared to what he should've gotten.

[pearl axle]

The only way I could see it happen is if Ballas lost all his memories and gets to start as a blank slate

[pallid spoke]

But eh, Lotus deserved the W.

[pearl axle]

I don't think he's redeemable as it stands

[restive river]

Some people unfortunately aren’t

[pearl axle]

A "redeem Ballas" plotline could work if he gets amnesia and the question becomes whether or not the blank slate man is responsible for all his previous deeds, and potentially let him remember some of it later and then ask the question again

Sort of a Darth Revan type deal

[celest needle]

If they can redeem Orochimaru (half-assedly), they can try him.😭

[pearl axle]

The...the groomer guy from Naruto?

[restive river]

Joker from Harley Quinn?

[pearl axle]

Haven't seen it either

[celest needle]

The unethical experimenter, mass murderer, terrorist, and possibly groomer, yes.

[pale cedar]

Isn’t that just Roathe?

[pearl axle]

I mean Naruto from what little I've seen functions on wrestling logic (Naruto himself is an archetypal Babyface, Sasuke got that heel-face revolving door thing going on, etc) which I don't think Warframe does lol

[zenith ore]

[dark compass]

Yeah yeah sure but what proto would he be

It's a government DE mandate

[restive river]

Nidus?

[celest needle]

“Oh character designers, we have a new major update, time to make some new protos! And make one a hot girl that appeals to a general fantasy!”

[ashen pulsar]

let’s make that one ballas

[strange turtle]

No that’ll be giving him what he wants

[ashen pulsar]

half the players will immediately forget what he did

[velvet ermine]

yo guys question. if I understood Old peace correctly,

|| Ballas is Neutral on this, and the one who's backing the Anarch is Nitokh?||

[fast dew]

||Nitokh and Roathe, yes.||

[velvet ermine]

Oh Okay, damn. so It couldve been a happy ending then

[fast dew]

Ha

I mean yeah

I doubt it

[zenith ore]

Remind me why it didn't work out? What did roathe do

[velvet ermine]

Roathe was the Admiral something

during sentient war

[fast dew]

Roathe and Nitokh utilised the peace to attack the orokin

By. Attacking the sentients

[zenith ore]

Yep

[zenith ore]

Ah

[fast dew]

The more I think about the war the more I think roathe was dumb lmao

[zenith ore]

I was about to say ts

[velvet ermine]

but he cant say sht because nitokh

[tall echo]

well, "neutral", he did straight up end the peace

[velvet ermine]

well the sentient open fired first

and the seven have a fragile ego

[tall echo]

not really

[velvet ermine]

IIRC the Seven vote was cast to 3 agree to peace and 3 continue war, with Ballas on the final vote

[zenith ore]

Can't wally just go back in time kill ballas and get rid of all of this

[tall echo]

the sentients responded to the terraforming machines getting activated and killing the xenoflora

[zenith ore]

All hail wally

[velvet ermine]

he was about to agree to peace when sentients open fired cause world seed incident

[tall echo]

and who caused that incident?

[velvet ermine]

the archimedians suggested it to ballas

[tall echo]

who gave us the thing that activated it?

ballas

ballas did it

[velvet ermine]

he just approved sht

beaurocratic stuff

[tall echo]

[velvet ermine]

cause the anarchs got all the world seeders

[tall echo]

no, it is ballas' fault

[velvet ermine]

how so, I aint defending him but you cant just simplify it either

im saying it's nitokh's fault

and it got messy when the archimedians suggested to ballas about the world seed weakness

[tall echo]

where are you getting that from

[velvet ermine]

the moment when the sentient archimedian told ballas about it

hold on lemme get the part

[tall echo]

and why would someone who actively benefits from the xenoflora suggest eradicating it

[humble sierra]

Yeah the "weakness" they were referring to was the self destruct sequence

[velvet ermine]

no clue, but the anarchs wanted to eradicate the xenoflora too so either way the sentients are cooked

[tall echo]

..unlike the anarchs, we didn't want to do it

[velvet ermine]

per treaty, Tau moon will become a sovereign territory and wont be under orokin protection, thus they're cooked cause anarchs got the world seeders

[tall echo]

we were tricked to think we were destroying the eggs, not activating them

[velvet ermine]

iirc the anarchs wanted the tau moon itself

[tall echo]

the anarchs couldn't do anything with the eggs without orokin help

[tall echo]

they wanted the land they were promised, yes

[velvet ermine]

yeah but orokin isnt just a single entity

[tall echo]

some very medieval reasoning

[velvet ermine]

it's like 7 lords with different factions

there's even executor vs executor shenanigans

[tall echo]

7 emperors, 7 executors, and a bunch of others

unimportant

[narrow pendant]

you can kinda compare it a little with how the corpus is also split in seperate companies lead by one individual, with infighting

[velvet ermine]

iirc this was plan of Nitokh cause she wanted to take over the orokin for herself

and killing ballas using the anarchs would be beneficial

blame it on the rebels

so we got the annoying transport protection mission

[tall echo]

nitokh wanted to kill the orokin

good intent, terrible person

[velvet ermine]

kill the orokin aint it

she wanted the empire for herself

[humble sierra]

Itzam was wanting lasting peace and was wanting to convince Ballas to vote in favor of the treaty

[velvet ermine]

yeah

If it aint for nitokh shenanigans, ballas wouldve voted for yes

[tall echo]

she wanted to take out the current leadership structure and take over until a suitable replacement was found. or, well, that was roach's side of the plan

[fast dew]

Yeah like be fr Nitokh iddnt wanna kill the orokin because they sucked

Nitokh's plan was "im bored"

[tall echo]

who knows which of the two would've survived

[velvet ermine]

yeah fr tho

she aint right in the head

[humble sierra]

It's good odds the Treaty was a lie. One of the terms was that Perita would belong solely to the Sentients. There's no way the Orokin would've kept their word there.

[velvet ermine]

whats worse is nitokh might still be alive

[tall echo]

oh definitely

[velvet ermine]

it's just the moon, maybe the empire will get the rest of the system

[tall echo]

she explicitly disappeared when roach "left"

[fast dew]

Hm?

[velvet ermine]

but yeah you might be right

[fast dew]

I didn't think she did?

[velvet ermine]

the empire aint right in the head too

especially when there's 7 heads that's constantly attacking each other

[fast dew]

Just that she blamed Roathe on everything

[tall echo]

roach himself says it, info he got after reconnecting to the "present" says that nitokh fled and disappeared not long after he did

[fast dew]

Mm, was that after the. Night of the naga drums?

[tall echo]

I don't think he specifies when he took the serum and booked it to 1899

[fast dew]

Well before the war ended

[strange turtle]

Was more than just the heads, and they weren’t officially the heads, but yeah

[velvet ermine]

that's a century too early xd

[fast dew]

Hm? No we're pretty sure it was 1899

[velvet ermine]

what

[fast dew]

You're thinking of the other protoframes

[velvet ermine]

ooo

[fast dew]

The triad [roathe, marie and lyon] are in a separate time

[velvet ermine]

how is it 1899

[fast dew]

Based on context clues and a few cut lines, we figured it was 1899

[velvet ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-shadow-stalker-new-war-hunhow-gif-27625690

[fast dew]

Lyon's grandparents were present for the french revolution, which happened about late 1700s

[velvet ermine]

damn

[tall echo]

and yk
the whole prerelease screenshot that straight up said 1899 rather than xx99

[velvet ermine]

why did the devs name the church xx99

[strange turtle]

It was originally referred to as 1899 in a couple things, they’re aware of advanced machinery and IIRC locomotives? Plus what Thomas said

[fast dew]

Cuz they wanted to keep it ambiguous

For some reason

[velvet ermine]

yeah the warframe world is advanced by bits

[fast dew]

Electricity! For some reason its not present in the cathedral, though I assume its from incapability to instead the infrastructure in the building

[tall echo]

well tbf we only see one room, which happens to be in the catacombs of the cathedral

[fast dew]

Nah, its a roathe line

He complains about the lack of electricity

[tall echo]

in the entire cathedral or their room? I don't remember it

[dark compass]

One day someone accidentally kicks a wall the wrong way and it all just falls apart, revealing they're in some empty space in larunda relay

[tall echo]

nah they've secretly built in the contracted away parts of the rj that are still hidden in the ship structure

that's not the right word is it?

contracted?

[dark compass]

They were inside the third orb all along

[tall echo]

rip

[strange turtle]

What specifically are you trying to say with it?

[tall echo]

like the parts that were removed when they made the rj interior shorter

[dark compass]

Cut? Deprecated? Abandoned?

Removed?

Downsized?

Eaten

[tall echo]

no, no

I'm saying the parts just got like, moved into elsewhere in the rj, like how transformers shift parts around when transforming

[dark compass]

Retracted for moved

Contracted for made smaller in size

[tall echo]

so it was the right word

https://tenor.com/view/ok-nice-grafic-gif-13206845596055018221

[strange turtle]

Right word but not the right use case

It’d be retracted if the Railjack had like, a giant cannon that could extend out of it

And then that cannon would be able to retract back into it or into a smaller/more compact shape

[vagrant zephyr]

So like a telescope

But gun

[spice moth]

https://youtu.be/P4PJzESBD4w?si=QjfjPeLmjdN_gxrg

Ain't gonna lie, this song kinda fits in the moment our tenno got himself/herself Uriel and got vengeful as heck

[tall echo]

There is a word for when the gender isn't defined yk

[quiet falcon]

I assume it would be, otherwise its the first time, to my recollection, that they're having a big update without releasing a Warframe. Plus, they're having a devstream sometime this month mostly dedicated to them. Alongside that and some other info we've gotten, I'm pretty confident that we're not only going to be able to play as Orion and Sirius, but we're also getting them as separate frames. We'll have to wait and see though, I'm not allowing myself to get too hyped because I like to prepare for the worst while hoping for the best

[fast dew]

I don't think we are able to have them as separate frames, if they are obeying the laws of eternalism

[quiet falcon]

What are the laws of eternalism? (I haven't read up on the lore of this game in a hot minute)

(I really should watch some lore videos now that I think about it)

[fast dew]

The general rule is that a person cannot exist in the same timeline that has a copy of them, in the current time

Think like how operator and drifter generally cannot exist in the same spot

With very few exceptions

[tall echo]

Tbf they seem to be existing just fine in the animation

[fast dew]

Ehh

Artistic liberty

It takes them a shockingly small amount of time to get to Uranus from venus

[tall echo]

Didn't know artists get liberty, thought they all get locked in basements

[quiet falcon]

But that's not what's going on with them from what I can tell. Essentially, from what I've heard, they're from two alternate futures assumedly from the exact same time. And they don't seem to be copies, they're the same people, but it seems that there's more to it than that, especially since they're able to interact with and even fight with each other without eternalism coming into play

[vagrant zephyr]

It’s probably funky because they’re warframes or something

[fast dew]

That still applies to them

Ones actually from the future iirc

[vagrant zephyr]

Thought they were both from the future

[tall echo]

Both are from the future

[fast dew]

And again, as far as we know, the animation could be deemed noncanon, just like the introduction cutscene

[fast dew]

As in our timeline's future

[vagrant zephyr]

I hope it’s canon because it’s cool asf

[fast dew]

Eh, i won't hold anything to it

[tall echo]

That is unspecified

[fast dew]

Isnt. Vena from our timeline? Just. Xx99 in the future?

Regardless, the rules of eternalism still applies

[vagrant zephyr]

I wonder if playing as one of the two will have a similar impact on stalker invasions as playing jade does

[tall echo]

I don't think that's explicitly stated, no

Not yet at least

[fast dew]

They are the same person, and cannot occupy the same part of spacetime

[vagrant zephyr]

I assume whichever name you pick is “your timeline” so if I chose Sirius then the ash proto will be the “main timeline” frame

[tall echo]

Oh yea

[vagrant zephyr]

And you KNOW I picked Sirius 😌

[tall echo]

It's definitely gonna be whichever we pick

[fast dew]

Have you ever tried to force magnets together, when you put them on the same poles? Thats kinda what happens

[tall echo]

I couldn't pick sirius bc of the instant mental association to harry potter

[quiet falcon]

Other than Sirius and Orion, have we had any other frames come from the distant future?

[vagrant zephyr]

Nope

[fast dew]

I mean I don't see how that matters lol

[vagrant zephyr]

Idk how distant it is either maybe it’s just like 20 years lol how fast do they grow up

[tall echo]

Except way funnier bc reality goes "you don't belong in this world!" yeet

[fast dew]

The can exist together in the void if that's needed

[vagrant zephyr]

So im also going to assume Entrati sent them both back in time, right? Otherwise how did the protoframws get the serum

[smoky gulch]

We had Temple come from the distant past, instead!

[tall echo]

Unexplained

[fast dew]

We dont know, I don't want to know because its gonna give my an aneurysm

[tall echo]

The long way

[fast dew]

Because once again

[vagrant zephyr]

guess we’ll see

[fast dew]

We gotta fit more entrati bullshit in before he left for 1999

[vagrant zephyr]

Temple Prime better have the most bomb ass prime trailer oat

[tall echo]

Still hoping lizzie prime just has (parts of) an orokin visibly melted over her

[quiet falcon]

I know it's just speculation, but who's to say DE hasn't thought of a way around the eternalism thing? They're the creators after all, we could get some new information about eternalism, but as Dietbutcher said, we'll see. Obviously, I can't operate on just hopes and dreams, so from what you've said, yes, they will be the same frame, but I just have a feeling that isn't the case

[vagrant zephyr]

oh my god that would be awesome

[fast dew]

And somehow we just gotta ignore he also never mentions the fact he could've solved the way to jump timelines

[vagrant zephyr]

Actually I wonder if temple prime would be one of the frames who “ascends” to prime status like Lavos because how are they getting his hands on orokin gold in that comet

[tall echo]

They

[vagrant zephyr]

#notverywokeofme

[fast dew]

Ehh, it would be a disappointing retcon to see them change how eternalism works for the sake of having two frames instead of one

[vagrant zephyr]

Well tbf it could just be like

[tall echo]

They get the gold out of the goldkin

[vagrant zephyr]

The blueprints got sent back in time and each protoframe just remade the frame from the blueprint

[tall echo]

Steal their fake bones

[vagrant zephyr]

Because you can have two copies of a guy if you literally clone him right

[fast dew]

Nah, probably not

Theyre still the same object

As in. The same object as the clone

[quiet falcon]

I have a feeling it's less of a retcon and more of a work around from Orion and Sirius, or some exception that their existence exudes

[fast dew]

Each item will have the same copy in a separate timeline, same thing applies

[tall echo]

It'd be a disguised retcon essentially

[fast dew]

I honestly really hope this isn't the case.

[vagrant zephyr]

I mean it’s a pretty big thing to retcon so

[quiet falcon]

How many times has this happened?

[vagrant zephyr]

idk maybe we don’t fully understand eternalism yet

lorewise I mean

[quiet falcon]

(Not counting Orion and Sirius)

[vagrant zephyr]

Drifter/operator is the main example

[fast dew]

Because. You bet it'll be related to Albrecht, and how he just casually forgets to mention that he managed to hop timelines

[vagrant zephyr]

If there’s something we don’t understand it’s PROBABLY some Entrati bs

[tall echo]

Praying constellations isn't another dang "new game mode" tutorial quest

[fast dew]

Operator and drifter are the main thing to bring up, but we do have writer confirmation that it works like that

[vagrant zephyr]

I mean we are playing as Stalker again for it aren’t we? Maybe im mistaken

I feel like it’ll be a lot more story focused

[fast dew]

Thats not what im meaning. Im trying to say that Albrecht forgetting to mention these things never will make sense, and for me that'll make the whole update feel forced

[tall echo]

Seriously DE you don't need to endlessly bloat with new game modes if it sacrifices writing quality

[vagrant zephyr]

Yknow like Jade Shadows

Well it is Railjack so it’s probably smth new

But I don’t imagine the entire story takes places in the railjack

[rigid compass]

Yeah focus on railjack and shitty writing

[tall echo]

Probably gonna be seperate since stalker doesn't have an rj

[rigid compass]

Railjack 🤤

[vagrant zephyr]

I like railjack when the randoms I play with know how it works

Which is shockingly uncommon more than half my lobbies nobody knows you can press f to swap forward artillery to a normal gun

[fast dew]

I lowkey don't use the rj, me and my archwing against the world

[tall echo]

That's so much slower tho

[fast dew]

Yeah and

Idc if its slow its fun

[smoky gulch]

You can do that??

[tall echo]

More fun than piloting a big battle ship

[atomic rock]

Honest question do we know what Uriel did to be changed up and for him to be called a “bad warframe” by adis

[twin wigeon]

Treason

Likely

[atomic rock]

Yeah but is it like confirmed or is it like speculation theory

[twin wigeon]

Speculation but not unlikely

[atomic rock]

Also we all know damn well adis is just echo from ow

[twin wigeon]

Pretty sure he shoots with his fingers like echo

No aoe but just shots of energy

[fast dew]

Murder sentients

[atomic rock]

Who ever made the old peace idea needs not only a raise but a six figure salary on top of it

[fast dew]

Yes. Unapologetically yes

[twin wigeon]

The one we find is not Roathe but rather one of his men no?

[atomic rock]

So was he his own entity before like umbra or was he not sentient

[fast dew]

If rj didn't play like shit then id play it

[pale cedar]

We just know this

"A devil-frame who did devil's work! He deserve this, Ten-no".

[fast dew]

They either copied him or thats one of roathe's men

[normal mountain]

...unless he somehow gets one in the quest

Borrows one from his kids, maybe lol

[fast dew]

Not a big fan of roathe tbh

[tall echo]

Skill

[atomic rock]

Neither am I

[twin wigeon]

Same

[atomic rock]

Dawg I cried when adis died

He was my goat

[twin wigeon]

Meh his death is one of a million

[atomic rock]

But adis was that guy

[pale cedar]

People cry when in game characters die?

Why do I still not understand that?

[atomic rock]

I didn’t literally cry 😭

[twin wigeon]

Plus adis isn’t fully dead

He lives on inside us

[atomic rock]

Because people get attached to characters

[twin wigeon]

I was pretty shocked when my operator and drifter died

[fast dew]

Nemesis thats the autism

[atomic rock]

And some people feel emotionally attached to the characters and it would hit them on some sort of personal level based on a specific experience

[fast dew]

Me with Albrecht, regrettably

[twin wigeon]

Nem is like Rell what

[pale cedar]

I wanna unlock this emotionally attached ability now

[fast dew]

Also seeing a dragon ball pfp with the most empathetic normal takes is funny as shit to me

[atomic rock]

Like I was sad when Jade died

[normal mountain]

Oddly, the elevator "memory pause" scene hit me harder than Adis's actual death scene

[twin wigeon]

I was angry when she died

[fast dew]

Because usually they have the most contrived, asshole takes known to man

[normal mountain]

Maybe it was because Op realized what was going to happen beforehand

[atomic rock]

I’m ngl baliss is my fav character

He was written as a perfect villain

[fast dew]

There we go

[twin wigeon]

True

[fast dew]

Oh wait nevermind

[pale cedar]

False alarm

[atomic rock]

Like let’s be real who ever wrote him knew how to truly write a good villian

[quiet falcon]

But is it the only time we've heard about it, or have there been more notable instances?

[atomic rock]

I hate the troupe where villains some how turn good or when there broken hero’s like let a villian strickly be a villian

[fast dew]

Eternalism? The concept was mentioned quite a few times, but the idea of having multiple of the same person isn't used often. Eternalism is very rarely used

[pale cedar]

Usually people calling Ballas their favourite character it’s because they see him as a misunderstood villain

[fast dew]

I can list a total of. Mm. 4 times eternalism was actually used?

If that

Nemesis do you have the reddit screenie for it?

[atomic rock]

Misunderstood my ass he literally forced u to wear a helmet that made u hate lotus and proceeded to “kill you” then offed the lotus then proceeded to cause a world war

[pale cedar]

Baro

Drifters existence

Eleanor

Whatever is going on with the children

[fast dew]

Oh yeah baro

[atomic rock]

Isn’t the drifters existence not suppose to exist tho

[fast dew]

Mhm

[atomic rock]

Like isn’t it a “different timeline”

[fast dew]

Mnm, yeup

[quiet falcon]

What were all of those use cases, if you recall (I hope it doesn't feel like I'm trying to argue with you. I'm genuinely trying to learn about the lore because I love Warframe and I like having discussions with people who's knowledge differs from mine)

[atomic rock]

So there is truly only one question left

Who is the man in the wall

[pale cedar]

Drifter is an alt timeline Operator who didn’t get saved from the deal they were the exact same person till Wally caused the split

[fast dew]

As nemesis mentioned, Eleanor, Baro and Drifter, and whatever is happening with the children

[atomic rock]

I think the man in the wall is the void itself

[fast dew]

-# a predator.

[atomic rock]

Like doctor Monty in bo3

[pale cedar]

Void existed before Wally

[quiet falcon]

That's what I was wondering as well. Duviri seems to be a different circumstance than that of Orion and Sirius. Yes, it has some of the same blood, but it feels like an odd comparison when taking into account everything surrounding it

[fast dew]

Wally isnt rhe void itself, we have places in the void without wally, wally just uses the void

[fast dew]

No? Not really

Its still the result of a split, the only difference being they're converging in a timeline they're not native to, unlike us

[atomic rock]

They need to make a story on it

[woven coyote]

Split happened at the handshake with wally

[fast dew]

Oh and our split came from wally, the sirus and Orion split came naturally

[woven coyote]

Also the split happened conveniently inside the void where the zariman was stranded at the time

[fast dew]

They'll still go under the effects of eternalism regardless of where they are from

[quiet falcon]

How do you know that?

[fast dew]

Because thats. How eternalism works?

If they do make two warframes, They'd need some work around, but that still means eternalism works that way

[quiet falcon]

Hmmmm... once again, yeah, I'll definitely have to watch some videos on it

[woven coyote]

Watching videos will certainly only mislead you

[loud oriole]

orokin archive is the best bet

[quiet falcon]

Ah....

[woven coyote]

That's how bad the loretubers are

[quiet falcon]

Is that an in game thing?

[fast dew]

Word of god upon ye

[loud oriole]

website/yt channel iirc

[fast dew]

Mmhm

-# It is something ingame though, funny

Also dragging a person to a separate timeline is. A whole process in itself

[loud oriole]

they say art is interpretive, so i guess warframes lore is also art by that logic

[quiet falcon]

Okay, and so if the trailer is cannon, they're absolutely a special circumstance. They said themselves that they can only be present at the same time under rare exceptions, unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible

[fast dew]

The special circumstances is being in the void and void saturated areas.

Hunhow cannot be in those areas

Not without probably dying

[loud oriole]

otherwise hunhow goes to the great sentient field of xenoflora in the void or something along those lines

[fast dew]

Mhm

[loud oriole]

yup same

my sunday shifts kill me, esp because its very difficult to fall asleep at 9pm to be able to wake up at 4am

[tall echo]

that's 7 hours..

[loud oriole]

so i normally snooze between 3pm-5pm saturday and stay up overnight

[tall echo]

I have concern

[loud oriole]

no need, when i get home today ill take a short nap so i can still be tired by my usual bed time

then the rest of the week i sleep normally

its mostly because i work night shifts on fridays, get home and play some games til like 2-3am then got to bed and wake up at 10am on my day off saturday

[quiet falcon]

Were they in the void in the trailer? (Genuinely asking)

[normal mountain]

They were in normal space, as far as I could tell

[twin wigeon]

def normal space

[quiet falcon]

Ah, okay, then yeah, they'd have to be two separate frames then

[fast dew]

They physically couldn't be, hunhow is there.

[tall echo]

and the orb, an entire planet...

maybe a mind goblin

[fast dew]

What? How do you come to the conclusion, after the rules of eternalism states they physically cannot be two of those frames existing, that. They're going to be separate frames 😭

[quiet falcon]

Exactly, so if they guaranteed weren't in the void, then the exception wouldn't apply, thus they would HAVE to be separate frames in order to fight

[tall echo]

they would either way??

[fast dew]

I mean
Yeah. They can't exist together in the same timeline though. I can only assume the trailer used artistic liberty to show them fighting

[velvet ermine]

artistic liberty + promotional material

[fast dew]

Mhm

[velvet ermine]

cool thing tho

[quiet falcon]

Because the rules that the DE laid out in the image you sent state that they have to be in the void in order for them to be separate

[fast dew]

Also do we even know if the animators are under DE?

[quiet falcon]

In that case, you are correct

If not, then we'll have to see

[pale cedar]

They aren’t they’re outside contractors

[velvet ermine]

that uhhh british animation studio

[fast dew]

Yeah, so just like the introduction cutscene, can be entirely non canon

[velvet ermine]

all canon

[fast dew]

Like im sure they talked to the writers about it, but i do not think they talked in depth about how eternalism works

[velvet ermine]

all drifter is canon

[pale cedar]

DE often make non canon trailers just for promoting their material

Duviri had like 3 non canon trailers

New War had one

[fast dew]

Mhm

[velvet ermine]

the scriptwriting stuff has its own canon drifter

[pale cedar]

There’s also such thing as soft canon

[fast dew]

Man I love thinking about the lore of lorechat

Shout out that one person who was an avid orokin defender

[pale cedar]

Still is

[fast dew]

Oh joy

[pale cedar]

They didn’t stop

[fast dew]

Shout out to. Everything that's happened yesterday

That was. Funny

[quiet falcon]

What happened yesterday?

[fast dew]

Im gaslighting folk that Albrecht and loid are lovers

[celest needle]

The coffeemaker guy?

[fast dew]

I cant talk about one, but one person was adamant that Albrecht and Loid weren't lovers

And. I got grey to pull every time Loid was referred to by the game as Albrecht's lover

Shout out grey, they're awesomesauce

[fast dew]

Yeah lol, definitely going in the most interesting events ive seen in lorechats

[quiet falcon]

Huh, that's an interesting hill to die on to say the least

[fast dew]

Yeah you'd think after the writer declaring in no uncertain terms that they are lovers would. Stop it, but no

[tall echo]

huh? waht?

[fast dew]

Word of god but

Its old :(((((((/s

[fast dew]

Yeah it was a whole thing

[celest needle]

I'm done don't tag me

[fast dew]

HEHEHE

[celest needle]

To quote

[fast dew]

Oh that was funny

I wasn't pinging them, I turned it off once they said it

[velvet ermine]

i thought it's obvious that loid and entrati are lovers or some sht

[fast dew]

Some people thought they were father and son

[velvet ermine]

HUH

[fast dew]

I am entirely serious

Lemme get it

[velvet ermine]

mf the moment I saw entrati and loyd im like "yeah these mfs are smashin" how come anyone think otherwise