lore-discussion

[vagrant zephyr]

okay so what part of the lead writer saying "yes entrati and loid are in a romantic relationship" is still vague for you

[fast dew]

Stop saying dumb shit then 😭

[restive river]

I mean I try to make that point clear and that’s all we can do at times lol

[rigid compass]

[rigid compass]

Answer the question sonion

[restive river]

If I say something wrong I rather get fact checked with
Well
Facts :p

[hazy narwhal]

Idc if lead writer wrote some thing 3 years ago in not gonna be gaslighted now

[vagrant zephyr]

what 😭 ???

[rigid compass]

How does love actually affect wally like quantifiably?

[celest needle]

what the hek is goin on?

[fast dew]

Grey can you go find all the times Albrecht was referenced as Loid's lover

[slate hill]

What if the relationship with loid was to cut off Wally ? Because Stockholm syndrome is a strong thing ...

[vagrant zephyr]

im laughing so hard rn what is bro talking about

[restive river]

By this point you’re just being intentionally dense cause we don’t agree with you

[rigid compass]

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN LORE CHAT

[strange plinth]

lmao sure

[fast dew]

Thank you homie

[restive river]

I salute you lol

[hazy narwhal]

I don't agree with you? Are you mad

[celest needle]

"My albrecht"

[fast dew]

"My Loid"

[vagrant zephyr]

and they were labmates 😌

[restive river]

No lol
I’m just confused as to why you don’t believe us when we are literally showing you what’s factual lol

[rigid compass]

Ehhh that still kinda ambiguous, theres more direct "they're lovers" dialogue

[hazy narwhal]

I can disagree in here right?

[celest needle]

wf china

[vagrant zephyr]

yeah but you cant expect not to get pushback

[fast dew]

You know warframe has been planned for the whole existence for it right

[restive river]

Yes, you can
But you are disagreeing with literal fact and thus you should expect pushback

[rigid compass]

I disagree in here all the time

[restive river]

I would not say that lol

[fast dew]

Yeah, but the majority, what. 10 years?

[hazy narwhal]

Fact is vague enough to everyone's imagination

[restive river]

I don’t think Steve thought up Wally writing bad fanfic

[fast dew]

Then the next five years after the fact

[rigid compass]

At best its prob till new war planned out

[restive river]

It isn’t here though, that’s the thing lol

[fast dew]

Its not vague

They're. Called lovers

[vagrant zephyr]

im crine bro 😭

[restive river]

Yes they have much of it planned but not from the very beginning or anything

[fast dew]

Vague is what is between neci and viktor

[slate hill]

Wally : Where's you bf at bro ?
Loid : He will be back ... he's just working hard .
Tenno : Where is that loser I and a few other protobros need to beat his ass !
Loid : You must understand he's doing all this to give us a chance to fight back against the creep ... btw the creep is here ...
The Triad : Hows daddy Entrati ?
Loid : Wtf ?
The Triad : Oh no no , it's pronounched Da-dee , but Daddy works too .
Loid : Im not hearing this ...

[restive river]

Duviri is an example of how plans don’t go 100%

Even New War is

[fast dew]

Oh as in

The story lol

Not the actual execution

[restive river]

Story and gameplay

[stiff fable]

DE's plans are kinda vague tbh

[restive river]

The execution too
Duviri
Duviri’s uh. Yeah.

We could have a whole documentary just on Duviri’s development LOL

[fast dew]

Get em grey, get their ass

[restive river]

Original plan seemed like there was no Drifter

[hazy narwhal]

They weren't called boyfriends or husbands, there's every type of "lovers" and the fact they were assitand and master

[fast dew]

They

Do not need to be called boyfriends

[vagrant zephyr]

you can just say you dont like gay relationships bro its fine honestly just stop embarassing yourself like this 😭

[fast dew]

They are lovers, which is another term for that exact relationship

[stiff fable]

Lover is actually the correct term, they were totally bangin'

[hazy narwhal]

You just want to believe they were

[rigid compass]

Anything they say its kinda useless as evidence I would say u need docs to prove planning out especially if they say vague things like " we planned the whole story" at best we can assume the first 3 arcs are somewhat planned out since sentients and ballad were the first villains

[fast dew]

No dude I assure you

[slate hill]

serious question ... why do we see every thing in warframe as simplistic and redundant instead of seeing it for having a deeper meaning ?

[vagrant zephyr]

this might actually be the best ragebait oat

[fast dew]

I don't think this is even ragebait

[hazy narwhal]

Not every relationship is official and it's okay

[celest needle]

https://web.archive.org/web/20240724132825/https://twitter.com/finlaena/status/1816103141768646941

literally

[vagrant zephyr]

the??? lead??? writer??? confirmed?? it???

[rigid compass]

As someone who sees things as simple I can honestly say its cause not everything needs to have a super deep meaning also it shouldn't be too relevant to plot

[vagrant zephyr]

the person who WROTE THE STORY said that they are KISSING SLOPPY STYLE

[fast dew]

We have
Word of god
The game saying it multiple times
The other word of god saying it

[slate hill]

We almost never bother to see the connection every single thing has to somethings or someone and when we do find out , it gets questioned and then 'Where's the proof ? Where are the pictures ? , How can you prove it ? " ..

[hazy narwhal]

Idc what lead writer said

[vagrant zephyr]

😭 ????

they wrote the story bro wdym

[fast dew]

"Idc what the guy who made them said I headcanon them as not gay"

[slate hill]

If you mean Dante , guy found a way to off his original self and keep his secrets out of wally and tenno hands ..

[hazy narwhal]

Jesus crisht

[fast dew]

Shit man this is gonna send me to an early grave

[rigid compass]

I mean its not gay to sleep with ur master didnt u know that?

Like duh

[hazy narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-give-up-i'm-done-i-quit-gif-2562811513236157054

[vagrant zephyr]

its not gay cuz they kept their socks on clearly

[restive river]

Delusional

[rigid compass]

Loid said no homo

[slate hill]

bro just left us with what could possibly be ABCD fass , vome , lohk and whatever

[fast dew]

Clearly Albrecht had socks on

[restive river]

Little did he know…

[vagrant zephyr]

"e-entrati we cant we're both boys 🥺 "

[fast dew]

Genuinely 😭

[fast dew]

Nah it would be Albrecht whos a lil unsure i feel

[vagrant zephyr]

the fact that albrecht entrati wears socks is like a really weird fact to me for some reason

does he wash his clothes or what

[fast dew]

Sick of the masc = top agenda smh

[fast dew]

He wears boots. Doc Martin's specifically

[slate hill]

Gawd Dang Nezha and Styanax mains ... Phtew .

[hazy narwhal]

Not everyone relationship has healthy base

[rigid compass]

He traveled to 2016 and took aiden pierces fit

[fast dew]

He has fingernails and that wigs me out

[restive river]

I might unironically you message a thing LOL

[fast dew]

Oh shit

[restive river]

No, it doesn’t
But they did have a relationship and it was romantic

[fast dew]

Depends on it i mightve already seen it

[restive river]

Oh you haven’t
Trust me

[fast dew]

Oh

Oh no

Wonderful way to start the day

At. Nearly 10am

[ocean geyser]

Im wondering if the coffee just doesn’t like gay people

[hazy narwhal]

Well albrecht is loids master so it's little bit toxic in that front

[slate hill]

Are we talking Gay people that are cool or 2020 gay people ?

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean all relationships have power imbalances, it depends on how they manage that power imbalance that makes it toxic or not

Wh

[vagrant zephyr]

what does that mean bro 😭 😭 😭

this channel is so funny man I love you guys

[hazy narwhal]

In fact albrecht literally goes away in he's own mistake he greated it is even relationship anymore?

[fast dew]

You certainly meet characters

[restive river]

Yes but Albrecht wasn’t like your typical Orokin
Their relationship def started that way but he didn’t treat him like how Ballas treated Margulis for instance

[fast dew]

Goes away to save and protect his lover

[ocean geyser]

Do you not know why he left???😭

[fast dew]

By using himself as bait

As a sacrifice to keep his lover and family safe

[slate hill]

Well there's the respectable , helpful and takes care of people bunch , They are cool in my books .

Then there's the Protests , destroy your property , Try to use freedom of speech to damage your ear drums like a drill sergeant ... with weird body odors ...

[fast dew]

He. Is still actively doing this

[slate hill]

What did you think ? . _.

[restive river]

Like I can agree that the basis of their relationship wasn’t entirely healthy, Loid was/is his butler
But it evolved into being one of the more positive relationships we’ve seen in-universe

[fast dew]

Albrecht also has eyeliner

Unrelated but he has eyeliner

And thats cute

[hazy narwhal]

Positive? I doudt it

[fast dew]

Its

[slate hill]

Eyeliner makes no sense to me ... why you gotta put itchy eye lid paint on yourself ?

[fast dew]

The best we've ever seen

[hazy narwhal]

I wouldn't want to be in that relationship

[fast dew]

Yeah and

[ocean geyser]

We call that a personal preference

[fast dew]

I mean i would but thats cus i have the evil habit of needing to leave people i love

[restive river]

I said it’s one of the more positive ones, not that it is entirely positive lol
Albrecht wasn’t abusing Loid, at most he was dismissive and unintentionally neglectful

[vagrant zephyr]

he did ditch him with a fish so

[sly mountain]

God I just love my favorite queer relationship between Albrechie and Loid so much I had to join the server to discuss it gamers

[fast dew]

Yeah hi thats me

[hazy narwhal]

Abuse dosent have to be physical

[restive river]

Exactly lol

[fast dew]

Can you point out any example of abuse

That isnt just using it as a buzzword

[restive river]

I
I know
I was abused via neglect in a relationship bud lol

[ocean geyser]

Ducky lore

[restive river]

Albrecht is very neglectful of those he loves
It’s
Really bad

[fast dew]

Maybe for his daughter, as emotional neglect

[hazy narwhal]

He still but he's own work and used animals towards he own expensive goals

[fast dew]

But it wasn't him abusing his power difference

[restive river]

He def neglected Loid a lot less than his own daughter

[fast dew]

Tbf he did have Loid as a second father for her

[slate hill]

how did we go from planning to fight off stronger enemies in the future despite or gear getting nerfed to pea shooters and pool noodles to old gay men keeping their socks on .... ?

[rigid compass]

THOMAS I HAVE COME FOR MY ANSWER! DO NOT DENY ME MY QUERIES!

[slate hill]

but do you have a mighty need ?

[restive river]

I do still think that just due to the nature of their society that Loid was more conditioned to listen to Albrecht
But that was never the soul reason

[ocean geyser]

Yeah but that has nothing to do with abusing people he’s in relationships with
Which you still have not given an example for

[vagrant zephyr]

imma be so fr all of the "Entrati did bad stuff" is kind of overshadowed by it being in service to defeating an evil ass void entity who wants to devour reality I cant rly hold it against him

[slate hill]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-mighty-need-i-have-a-mighty-need-need-want-gif-5157692

[strange plinth]

i'm gonna reach the character limit here if i find many more

[vagrant zephyr]

im not saying it was GOOD im just saying like whats a man supposed to do

[fast dew]

HAYAYA

[restive river]

Eh not really, what he did to the protos was like
Really bad

[fast dew]

Get em grey, murder them

[sly mountain]

we evolved from fighting physically stronger enemies to fighting concepts such as abuse, trauma, and intense romantic attraction

[restive river]

Albrecht is a bad person but he has good intent

[fast dew]

Most of the people who hate him inexplicably love roathe and its so tiresome

[restive river]

Drifter fighting their attraction to all 6 of the Hex (bi/pan panic)

[vagrant zephyr]

I love roathe he's so sassy

[fast dew]

I have an image for this

[hazy narwhal]

Intent you mean going into void for what?

[vagrant zephyr]

like he's a terrible person but god does he have zingers

[ocean geyser]

I like Roathe because he isn’t Marie

[slate hill]

wait there's more ... Everyone keeps acting like either a baby or whiney pin-head because "We don't wanna fight! , Can't you guys make something to fight that ever evolving thing that can predict the future in nano seconds and counter everything ?"

[rigid compass]

When thomas lowkry dodging my questions so I gotta pull out the most outlandish theory of all time so he can cite albrechts left half of his pancreas to destroy my theory and I can get my answer

[restive river]

I mean he did have good intent for that
But I mean in terms of stopping Wally
He does horrible things all with the intent of stopping Wally

[slate hill]

because he talks shit like he's on ketamine and dopamine at the same time ?

[restive river]

LOL

[fast dew]

I am busy discussing the delusion of this person and trying to get to my ravioli

You commenting is making that happen slower

[restive river]

Why does this sound like it could happen 😭

[fast dew]

Cuz the orokin do drugs™

[vagrant zephyr]

also he does explain a lot of lore stuff quite plainly which is funny

[slate hill]

so SO the moment we give roathe his memories back he gets all pissy , 1st angry , then scared and then unstable begging us ?

[hazy narwhal]

I never forgive albrecht using animals

[restive river]

Same here!

[slate hill]

nah , he just tells us what he was made to see ...

He was played by BAllnuts

[restive river]

Genuinely he was stupid for that one
Like I can see the thought process, sure
I can’t defend it nor want to

[fast dew]

As wild and as horrible as a take it is, I don't think he was out of line for using animals, just. Not the animal he chose

[strange plinth]

-# "Drifter: Yeah. He left behind his lover to mend the damage he did to countless people... and animals." AoiRank4Convo6

-# "Drifter: His name's Loid. Sort of a... workplace romance, you could say." LettieRank3Convo2

-# "Drifter: Yeah... he abandoned Loid, his manservant he has a relationship with." LettieRank3Convo2

-# "Marie: But it is hardly for us to decide... in this instance, I am not here to judge le Cardinal's professions of love for Monsieur Loid nor M. Loid's words of love in return." MarieRank2Convo2

-# "Marie: It was Loid's clarity of sight that allowed me to see through my own clouded lens. For Loid loves le Cardinal - his Albrecht - yet he sees him for all his flaws all the same." MarieRoatheRepair

-# Albrecht Entrati: "On your first day of service, you aspired to be worthy of me. I only wish that I could have been worthy of you, my Loid." Whispers in the Walls

-# Daughter: "Loid taught me so much about taste. He was the most discerning man I knew. Until he hooked up with my grandfather." Post-Loid Reunion

-# Grandmother: "Their relationship was against the Legems, true. But in a society obsessed with hierarchies, it was hardly possible not to transgress some rule or another with every step one took." Post-Loid Reunion

-# The Man in the Wall (As Loid): "Master, my master. Why hast thou abandoned me?"
-# The Man in the Wall (As Albrecht): "All that matters is I'm here now. There, there... my faithful man-cat."
-# The Man in the Wall (As Loid): "But is it really you? After all these years I've - UGH! Master! You're hurting me!"
-# Albrecht Entrati: "Ha! That's it, isn't it? The poison to your plan."
-# The Man in the Wall: "And what is that?"
-# Albrecht Entrati: "Love."
-# The Hex

-# Roathe: "I do not think Loid will ever stop loving Albrecht. I wonder if he will ever forgive himself for that." when dating Marie
all i can fit here but i do have a little more

[restive river]

Good intentions
Just
Bro what are you doing 😭

[restive river]

I mean he only was using them because they got high, no?

[vagrant zephyr]

I mean better than throwing a dude in there I guess

[restive river]

My main issue with the animals is also the sheer quantity

[slate hill]

Oh come on ..

[hazy narwhal]

He got them traumatized and one killed during that void jump

[fast dew]

I mean the idea was to deevolve wally with a lesser mind, can't exactly. Not use something alive for that

[restive river]

True yeah, I do get that he was also desperate but I still think what he did was awful

[slate hill]

Ballas had him sent over to Nitok as BEST(hope youre happy)boi to see how she behaved ... It was (George Carlin) Rough Segz ... real Ruff Segz .. that boi came home like his soul left him ..

[strange plinth]

Loid
-# Sprawled on the ground lay a pathetic figure. It was clearly dead, but seemed as if it might start whining again at any moment.

-# The Queen of Duviri laughed. "I had such a beautiful ending planned for that one. But he saved me the effort."

-# "How?" demanded the Orphan.

-# "He died of a broken heart, waiting for a man who would never come back. A man who was secretly glad to be rid of his whining, clinging presence."

-# "But love!" the Orphan cried, feeling their last hope shrivel and die within them. "Surely the power of love…."

-# The Queen rested her splendid claw on the Orphan's shoulder. A look that might have been pity crossed her face.

-# "The forefathers of your forefathers looked into the shining heart of an atom, scribbled their clever equations, and ripped it apart. Did they spare a thought for the age-old love between proton and neutron? Or did they only think of the bountiful energy they could harvest?"
Isleweaver Loid Corpse

[fast dew]

He. Did not actually anticipate what happened btw

[vagrant zephyr]

also I dont think he realized the animals would be smart or anything

[ocean geyser]

This is some Doom lore people level of nonsense
Thomas can confirm

[restive river]

He could have made his own stupid things to put in
He has custom made bio stuff elsewhere
I think he was just desperate and made a rash decision

[vagrant zephyr]

like dude if I could potentially stop some evil ass all powerful void entity from killing me by throwing a fish at it ofc I'd do it 😭

[fast dew]

Can confirm, ive had a 5 day argument with a person over the colour of Doomguy's hair

Its still ongoing

[restive river]

Doesn’t he call the Cavia we have failures?

[slate hill]

wally pulling a uno reverse card on the animals was crazy ... Bro really hit them with the 'Let me Educate you LITERALLY' ...

[fast dew]

Speaking of, need yalls opinions

[restive river]

Also yes he does feel guilt for what he did for the animals

[ocean geyser]

You are literally saying we’re wrong despite the fact that we are LITERALLY CITING DEV AND IN-GAME SOURCES

genuinely bewildering

[slate hill]

But we never got the whole story of all the other animals , just the Cavia .

[ocean geyser]

Your argument is basically “nuh uh”

[fast dew]

What hair colour is this shit chat if you say black i will explode someone

[rigid compass]

Lowkey love doesnt actually affect wally. Its just a THEME about how we need to work together to defeat the big bad by making a void killing gun instead some Love beam with cotton candy and rainbows so wally lowkey dies of cringe. Or love is just self contained to albrecht and loid and the reason why the angry vessel stopped is because thats a manifestation of loid and we use the vessel of albrecht which is the whole dialogue of that scene about how he needed to praise him or wtv and thats why the murmur stops attacking cause we stopped loids anger towards albrecht so they left cause they got summoned by loids vessel and so love doesnt stop wally it just stopped the vessel attacking.

[restive river]

Roathe’s hair color

[ocean geyser]

Maxing my brightness for this

[rigid compass]

Needs better lighting

[fast dew]

Mm, failures he anticipated to die later on

[slate hill]

Dark brown really ...

[restive river]

Fr though that’s a dark brown

[fast dew]

THANK YOU

[restive river]

Yupp
I wonder what he’d say about them now

[ocean geyser]

It looks black because of the lighting,

[restive river]

Hey what’s Anti-void
When is that coming up again

[vagrant zephyr]

I think its just feeling in general and love is just like a pretty easy one to shoot for all things considered

[tall echo]

brack

[fast dew]

Radiation shrimole

[fast dew]

Barack

[rigid compass]

Terrible pic ngl it really does just need better lighting to tell

[ocean geyser]

That sounds like an unpleasant noise

[vagrant zephyr]

unironically we WILL have to defeat wally with the power of friendship and it IS well written and planned out

[fast dew]

Tough to find that shit when TDA has super dramatic lighting

[hazy narwhal]

Albrecht is still horrible being

[rigid compass]

TDA?

Oh nvm

[fast dew]

Its either purple, yellow or the most washed out colour you'll ever see

[ocean geyser]

Nobody’s trying to say he isn’t 😭

[slate hill]

The 1st mistake Entrati made ... among others is that he did not anticipate how well and fast the void adapts and fights or how it can and will devour and turn things against people . Second of all If it can just talk stones into turning into murmur cannon fodder to send out way constantly then that's also a bigger concern , Yet He never sent in a hoard of boss murmurs ...

[ocean geyser]

He’s better than the average Orokin and that’s something at least

[fast dew]

-# Hes so pretty

[slate hill]

Wally is literally toying with us when he could have crushed us ages ago

[stiff fable]

It's also a VERY low bar

[stiff fable]

Luckily, that's entirely untrue

[rigid compass]

Which is why I say love doesnt actually affect him

[ocean geyser]

Lmao yeah

[restive river]

He is
But he is also better than 99% of the Orokin
Which the bar is in hell but y’know

I do hope he pays for his crimes, we know he feels guilty so hopefully he doesn’t die by the end of this

[fast dew]

And for what its worth, the texture file itself is brown

[rigid compass]

Looks blonde though

[slate hill]

and DE is still nerfing our shit forcing us to some how jerry rig , max out and upgrade all our weapons even the trash ones like Burston which now has the most OP incarnon which is BS .

[fast dew]

You arent the first person to say that, somehow

[restive river]

I think you overestimate his power
If he’s that powerful then why is Albrecht still kicking?

[hazy narwhal]

If I can albrecht is dead in second it is option

[vagrant zephyr]

yeah he really hates albrecht lmao

[rigid compass]

Probably cause every talking to about it is ragebaiting like me

[fast dew]

Better go kill the entrati family and roathe then :p they're all pretty bad in their own rights

[restive river]

If he dies it needs to be once this is over and once he can pay for what he’s done (beyond death)
Tagfer needs to headbutt him 900 times in the crotch

[vagrant zephyr]

the best convo in the entire kim tbh

[fast dew]

Roathe is just a raging bigot though, he does deserve to be shot

[rigid compass]

We dont know wallys motives or whether he cares. Maybe he finds resistence entertaining. After all he had no reason to save us on the zariman

[hazy narwhal]

Yeah poor tagfer

[vagrant zephyr]

he's just tsundere

[rigid compass]

Grass is green the sky is blue orokins are a holes and im tired of u 🗣️

[fast dew]

He calls captain vor a slur 😭

[ocean geyser]

VOR???

[vagrant zephyr]

vor deserves that tho

[hazy narwhal]

Roathe was used by other orokin no?

[restive river]

We can never hug him enough

[fast dew]

Yeah its vor and he sucks but you shouldn't call them a slur

[slate hill]

Because outrightly killing potential of an enemy before they even get started is no fun for a all powerful entity that took shape based on the enemy's lower perception of it .

Wally wants us all to comprehend IT fully before he ends us permanentyly .
Think PennyWise Deadlights logic except it's not deadlights but a entire dimension that uses entropy as a digestive tract ?

[vagrant zephyr]

oh nitokh was using him alright

[fast dew]

I mean yeah, don't see how that's relevant

[restive river]

He was but he too is an Orokin and war criminal
He’s up there ig on the not sucking list but he still is an Orokin and still does suck
Bro is insufferable

[vagrant zephyr]

I think he mostly wants us to fulfill our end of the deal

[restive river]

Wally isn’t the void incarnate but I can see what you mean ig yeah

[vagrant zephyr]

dont rly wanna kill a guy before he pays off the loan you gave him

[fast dew]

He still willingly benefited from the privilege he had from being born into the position he's in

[vagrant zephyr]

who wouldnt bro I would

turn me blue and hand me that silver spoon hell yeah

[slate hill]

WE have to some how turn it's opportunity IT gave us into making or weaponizing a specific concept into a dimension killer and defeat this thing 'Together' not that tenno work together or would ever want to unite against a common foe .

[fast dew]

And all he does is. Say a slur to someone because. Just because

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[slate hill]

our species is a screw up like that ...

[restive river]

But but but he was forced to continuity as a child, he just a wittle baybee

[vagrant zephyr]

what does he even call vor 😭

[rigid compass]

One of roathes first few dialogues or kim convos ( im assuming they arent random i got 4 rn) says that orokin do stuff to each other all the time because thats their way of entertainment but they do have lines they dont cross like albrecht turning roathe into a proto and doing time travel with him

[fast dew]

The woobification is insane 💔

[ocean geyser]

Probably the dedicated Grineer slur

[hazy narwhal]

It's not he's happy being orokin tool and having he's memories ripped apart

[rigid compass]

Which is?

[fast dew]

He. Still benefited from slave labour

He chose to benefit off it

[slate hill]

What if it was their way of building strong emotion based energy ? Which led to the formation of the incarnon adaptors ?

[vagrant zephyr]

he literally gets really mad at you if you wipe the triad's memories wdym

[restive river]

Roathe is an Orokin through and through, more so than Albrecht is

[fast dew]

And its really funny considering roathe got what he asked for in regards to that

[slate hill]

trying to weaponize wally's own energy against him ? it ?

[rigid compass]

Yeah i got no clue what u on about im not touching that

[ocean geyser]

https://preview.redd.it/daughter-to-the-tenno-vs-daughter-to-kahl-v0-cutznnvjxfn91.png?auto=webp&s=b4c4aa7d6e3d3322ab7bd508d517de14b37fb3a3

Lets go with this

[vagrant zephyr]

she loves kahl tho 😌

[rigid compass]

Vat rat is hilarious

[fast dew]

See, I tolerate daughter more because she changes

[slate hill]

Void reacts to emotions , incarnon adaptors are manifestations ?? that ???

[restive river]

She said that TO KAHL

[fast dew]

Roathe doesn't. Not in that way.

[hazy narwhal]

Well roathe has regrets about being orokin and realised it was wrong

[ocean geyser]

Yeah she stops being racist after getting to know him

[vagrant zephyr]

yeah but she cares about him a lot its cute

[restive river]

Kaeli is racist
But she got better

[ocean geyser]

Kahl sweep

[hazy narwhal]

He should be killed over it now? No

[fast dew]

He doesn't realise being orokin is wrong, he doesn't care that he's orokin

[restive river]

Eventually yes, she got better
It was nice :)

[rigid compass]

I havent really talked much to cavalero and im not really informed on incarnons other than the void changed them

[slate hill]

Is mother mad because of the whole perita rebellion ?

[vagrant zephyr]

roathe sucks but his entire reason for being therei s to ask if the orokin can be redeemed to which i think yeah prolly

[fast dew]

He got upset that he started a war and couldn't follow through

[ocean geyser]

Whay

[rigid compass]

Being orokin isnt wrong lol

[fast dew]

And decided to be a coward about it an ran. That's what he was upset about

[rigid compass]

Its what they do

[restive river]

Roathe is like
Family tier
Maybe a bit lower on the sucking scale

[hazy narwhal]

Running away is not wrong dude

[fast dew]

Please god do not excuse the kidnapping, trafficking and murdering of children as "its what they do"

[restive river]

It’s like being a billionaire
No such thing as a good billionaire

[vagrant zephyr]

oh my GOD roathe is so WOKE he's talking to me about SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS

[restive river]

-# but we talk about how gender isn’t real

[vagrant zephyr]

gender is real gender roles are a construct 😌

[slate hill]

Well from what I saw it feels very much reversed ? The weaker weapons based on orokin economy were fueled with more emotion hense the Burston incarcon's adaptor seemed to have so much fire power when the burston prime is supposed to be XP trash . But all the other guns and melee weapons that are supposed to be OP are weak as hell making their incarnons almost redundant so they need rivens .

[restive river]

gender is a social construct too

[rigid compass]

There can be lol. Not all corporations were soul sucking monsters before and the owners were billionaires

[slate hill]

ceremonial weapons like the phenmor and stuff evolved and mutated even more ...

[fast dew]

I mean

Helping to genocide a whole unrelated species for the sake of overthrowing the government, then getting cold feet and running away, not because he didn't hate the sentients, but because he was scared of what would happen after is pretty shitty

[rigid compass]

Gotta state a definition of gender first to talk about it being a social construct

[restive river]

There can’t be
To have that much money and to hoard it, you have to be evil

[fast dew]

The physical aspect is real, gender is the construct

[restive river]

You can say before
We ain’t talking bout before

[slate hill]

inmodem ? the dagger ? it goes from machete looking blade to a claw of a void angel ??

no one ever notice that ?

[restive river]

I don’t gotta state nothing
It’s a social construct lol

[vagrant zephyr]

personally I view it as that gender itself is not a social construct and is part of who we are but how that is actually expressed is the construct. for example, I view myself as a woman, and that I would like to do things that are "feminine", and that no matter what or where I was raised that I would still want to be a woman, however the way I would express that femininity would be different

is this too woke for lore chat sorry

[slate hill]

its not even got a incarnon adaptor , it is a incarnon .

[rigid compass]

U do realize most billionaires dont actually have billions in their bank account lol they dont hoard anything. Thats like that guy that says nasal sending 250 mil to the moon doesnt help starving children

[fast dew]

Gender can be separated from the physical aspect

[fast dew]

No they

[hazy narwhal]

What now it's shitty? I thought it was wrong wich is it😂

[fast dew]

They do man

[rigid compass]

Thats not how u have discussions

[fast dew]

Its. Shitty. As in wrong

[hazy narwhal]

What

[rigid compass]

Some yeah but most own it in assets of their company's stock

[fast dew]

What in the gotcha attempt

[restive river]

I’d say it is a construct when we have people who look at it and say no, that doesn’t fit with me
But you could chalk that up to expression

[vagrant zephyr]

yeah thats what I mean, the expression of gender is the social construct

[fast dew]

Arkadia, you're Australian, tell them me saying something is shitty is me saying something is wrong

[humble sierra]

Gender is a social construct though, that's kinda the point

S3x ≠ gender

[restive river]

I ain’t having a discussion with you about gender 😛

[fast dew]

Also good morning

[restive river]

Yeah I kinda see what you’re saying

[rigid compass]

Yeah and before gender meant sx which is why u gotta say what u mean when u say gender. Whenever I hear gender I think sx

[restive river]

Alright buddy lol

[rigid compass]

Thats not even

[fast dew]

Anyways, I use shitty as a synonyms for wrong, its. Both for me

Like idk man its pretty messed up

[hazy narwhal]

I'm done don't tag me

[restive river]

I’m not wanting to nor have to have a conversation with you about that
I know you just aren’t going to agree with me so why should I bother?

Let’s agree to disagree and thats that lol

[rigid compass]

This is literally something u can search up

[humble sierra]

Anyways yeah Warframe wooh yeah let's talk about that

[fast dew]

Id expect you to do the same. If you don't want pushback, dont talk in the lorechat

[restive river]

And I’m not wanting to have this conversation.

[vagrant zephyr]

this place wacky lmao

[restive river]

Death to Nef Anyo

Wait
Anyone got the pic of him but he’s buff

[rigid compass]

Ight fine but u can at least acknowledge that u aint win this discussion

[restive river]

We need that for his boss fight

[rigid compass]

HES BUFF

[restive river]

Nope
I win it
I just ain’t having it

[fast dew]

there's no such thing as "winning" in a conversation

[rigid compass]

OH lol

[restive river]

Its fan art lol

[hazy narwhal]

Don't tag me then

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-oh-frickity-frack-not-this-again-gif-15779151

[rigid compass]

Nah bro i won, made u ragequit

[fast dew]

Dawg I didn't lol

[blissful merlin]

Must I pull the community gif out lol

[fast dew]

The ping is specifically off

[hazy narwhal]

You just did!

[restive river]

Believe whatever you want ❤️

[rigid compass]

U too sonion

[restive river]

Discord might be buggin

[fast dew]

The ping is off! I am not pinging you

[vagrant zephyr]

see this is why I genuinely like roathe he says some philosophical bs and then has aura

[fast dew]

If you're getting a ping, something is wrong

[hazy narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-12759356191609814430

[restive river]

I think discord’s a bit funky today ngl

Someone edited a message earlier, I saw it was edited, I could not see the edit

[rigid compass]

Lol

[fast dew]

can you screenshot your screen so I can see if its pinging or not

Because. I am willingly to accept discord is messing up

[restive river]

Yeah it’s wacky lol

[hazy narwhal]

No

[rigid compass]

Nah he def just aint chane anything

[fast dew]

So how am I supposed to believe that its pinging you

[restive river]

lmao

[vagrant zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-gif-8293915206003753096

I turned off ping for that one so I hope it didnt bug you

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-1999-amir-beckett-quincy-isaacs-gif-598994283070582591

[fast dew]

Because. Discord will show a message that has a ping on it as a different colour

[restive river]

Either someone is lying or discord is broken

[hazy narwhal]

It's almost 4am I would be no energy to care less

[fast dew]

Ill record my screen to show it, I aint got no qualms

[restive river]

Pookies

[fast dew]

Best you're gonna do is get flashbanged by discord light mode

[restive river]

You should get some rest if you can

At the minimum stay hydrated

[fast dew]

And now that the chat aint on fire, I shall go get the ravioli ive been meaning on getting

For

2 hours

[restive river]

Bro it’s been almost 2 hours 😭

I hate/love it here

[fast dew]

My leg is not cooperating

[hazy narwhal]

We are breaking rules for not talking lore here right?

[fast dew]

Send help

[rigid compass]

No

This is very integral to the plot

[restive river]

Let’s get back to Warframe
But first
Please make sure you’re staying hydrated!

[hazy narwhal]

Mods look away pls

[rigid compass]

End of year update is about thomas' ravioli

[restive river]

What do you think makes the head exploding food make your head explode?
Iirc it tastes like vermink!

[blissful merlin]

When Wally appears to the Tenno as a possessed floof breakdancing just to troll

[fast dew]

Mm

[celest needle]

this channel kubrowshit as hell I love it here

[restive river]

Thats how long it feels like it took for him to go get it

Rebb introduced the ravioli on stage and everything damn

[fast dew]

I can confirm

[hazy narwhal]

I should get sleep

[fast dew]

I asked rebb to include it

[hazy narwhal]

But I don't want to

[restive river]

If you do I hope you sleep well

Idk if I had the ping on there and I apologize if I did

[fast dew]

Ima go. Enjoy the ravioli

[rigid compass]

If tau doesn't have adversaries that actually make sentient adaptation interesting imma be pissed

[vagrant zephyr]

go my spectral scream 😌

[rigid compass]

We all are enjoying your ravioli

[restive river]

I think if we get sentient liches it should be later into the tau arc, not day 1 in Tau lol

[vagrant zephyr]

wait no its called radial howl

[rigid compass]

Yeah

[vagrant zephyr]

like techrot encore yeah

[restive river]

I hope they go one planet at a time

[fast dew]

Do we think that Albrecht bought back ravioli

[vagrant zephyr]

oh my godddd sentient liches would be sooo coool

[restive river]

Tau arc will be the longest yet btw

[rigid compass]

Ew planets

[fast dew]

-# look at my ravioli

[vagrant zephyr]

make them into cubes

[rigid compass]

Tau better be free roam railjack ong

[restive river]

I think if we get tau liches it will be like
Mid-way into the arc, maybe closer to the end
It really just depends

[fast dew]

I can do that

[vagrant zephyr]

there's a reason constellations is railjack 👀

[hazy narwhal]

Reb interacted with me once before new war when she was doing all of those quests before new war streams

[restive river]

But having them be right out the gate prob isn’t a good idea
It
It really just depends
We don’t even know what the update will have other than Tau

[rigid compass]

If DE makes us another star chart with more bum ahh missions we are all rioting

[restive river]

Thomas
Didn’t you meet Rebb

[fast dew]

:)

God I look so weird in that photo

[restive river]

I think that will actually depend on what missions we get

[hazy narwhal]

Lucky

[restive river]

Like
We are getting new nodes!
But istg if we have to do sentient spy missions

[hazy narwhal]

Old photo?

[woven coyote]

Vip curb trip guy!

[ocean geyser]

Man that sure is interesting

[restive river]

Yeah idk why your head looks like a white box

[fast dew]

Nah, this year

[blissful merlin]

Please no

[hazy narwhal]

Ok

[fast dew]

I just get weird with photos lol

I look at them too hard and get weird

[ocean geyser]

Sentients get their own hacking minigame too 😈

[restive river]

I would like that actually-

[fast dew]

YEAH!!

[stiff fable]

New spy missions would be cool actually

[hazy narwhal]

I never get a vip rip

[restive river]

The narmer hacking minigame is so cool

[stiff fable]

Put the new hires on making new Earth spy vaults too

[fast dew]

Zach recognising me as that was. The best experience ever

[restive river]

Ok I would actually like to see how the new team does a spy mission

[fast dew]

What do yall know about me eating shit onto the curb ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

[restive river]

What kind of mission types do you think we’ll actually see in Tau?
Of the normal ones
Not
New ones

[fast dew]

Mm, defection.

Not grineer

[ocean geyser]

How was it?

[restive river]

I would like to see them do a hunt mission, like Follie’s hunt
But
They actually rework it to be good

[fast dew]

Sentient defection

[restive river]

Defection but actually good and not the worst gamemode ever?

[strange plinth]

similar to that one rebellion objective?

[ocean geyser]

Make it that one perita rebellion thing

[woven coyote]

We know rebb in the walls can spy on us... but can she spy?

[ocean geyser]

🤝

[fast dew]

Awesome, but ut also sucked because my face hurt

[strange plinth]

same braincell

[ocean geyser]

Makes sense

[fast dew]

Now time to read what ducky sent me

[stiff fable]

Exterminate, Survive, (Mirror) Defense

Probably a new version of mobile defense

[restive river]

Ima go eat my chicken bake
I wish you all a good whenever you are
Drink water
Talk lore
Have fun

[woven coyote]

Gotta love tha ominous quote of "we have access to everything you have ever done"

[vagrant zephyr]

welcome back orphix

[rigid compass]

Acting like they dont add the most mid missions 90% of the time anyways

[vagrant zephyr]

defection

[ocean geyser]

Mobiler defence

[rigid compass]

Either tau will be us vs sentients or us vs alien life and sentients with some friendly sentients

[ocean geyser]

Like what 😭

The recent stuff’s been nice
Besides Follie ig

The hunt is just mid

[strange plinth]

its repetitive but that's my only gripe with it

[ocean geyser]

Not bad
Just mid

Yeah idk why it’s not endless either

[fast dew]

Shoudlve been endless

[strange plinth]

hit it with the defense Extract / Continue menu

[stiff fable]

Mobile-est defense

[woven coyote]

Mobiless defense

[stiff fable]

It'll have archwing segments

[ocean geyser]

Ascension should have been endless too

[fast dew]

Xata..

[ocean geyser]

Infinite elevator 😈

[woven coyote]

Like what just shoot the breaks and send the thing all the way back down?

[ocean geyser]

Hey what if we gave all of Jade’s motes to Stalker

That’d be funny

[stiff fable]

Parvos would start gunning for him directly

[ocean geyser]

Man

[celest needle]

Do the corpus have any media?

Like shitt
corpus movies?

[ocean geyser]

Maybe??

It’s probably just propaganda movies though

[fast dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76pK9G8CVP0
This :)

[ocean geyser]

TRUE

frohd bek advert

[fast dew]

Its so tasty

[celest needle]

millenia into the future
90s advertising

[blissful merlin]

Grofit

[strange plinth]

more proof that important events in warframe only happen in XX99 /s

[fast dew]

Its the origin of grofit

[nocturne ibex]

So, i just finished the Zariman quest and I have a question.

The kids were in the Zariman (an Orokin ship) and then the incident with the jump happened. That was when those kids were turned into Tenno.

So, who where these kids? Where they orokin?

[fast dew]

Regular people

[strange plinth]

citizens of the orokin empire but not of orokin caste

[fast dew]

Apart of the orokin empire, but not the caste

[celest needle]

hehe
sending kids into space

[nocturne ibex]

Thanks!

Do we know why they were there?

Something about researching void and the entrati?

[strange plinth]

colony ship

the zariman was to colonize Tau, the kids were part of that

[twin wigeon]

sent to settle tau

[celest needle]

the humble wally:

[fast dew]

No, but the Entrati did give access to their archives for the students, and they are responsible for the way they travelled

[nocturne ibex]

But weren't they doing void experiments?

[fast dew]

Only school in existence to have that access

[nocturne ibex]

This Tau thing is very exciting, maybe we can colonize Tau and access a new star chart

[stiff fable]

not in an official capacity onboard the Zariman, no

[strange plinth]

not intentionally at least

[nocturne ibex]

Then I mixed it with something else. Thanks!

[stiff fable]

There were some techs screwing around but it's because one of them had a brilliant idea

[humble sierra]

Look it's not your fault you have a condition that makes your face into a white rectangle

[fast dew]

True... its been hard in these trying times..

[vagrant zephyr]

ohhhh awesome

I'll go to tennocon one day...

[humble sierra]

This was actually from a TennoVIP, they're more frequent, in more places and (technically) free!

This one was in Feb, where they went to Australia (Brisbane and Melbourne), and I think they just did one in São Paulo, Brazil

[fast dew]

Mhm, just last night

And the event place was SO MUCH BIGGER

[humble sierra]

Hopefully that means we get our digital loot soon!

[fast dew]

Melbourne was evil

Why was that shit so small

[fast dew]

Hopefully!!!

[humble sierra]

Felt comically hidden too

Like if you were too late to see the lines you would not have been able to find the venue

[stiff fable]

I think it's really cool that they're going to non-English speaking countries

[fast dew]

Down a random ass alley way that felt like it'll get me stabbed

[stiff fable]

Besides like, Japan because they're a pack of weebs

[fast dew]

Not a fan of being out in Melbourne at 10pm

[humble sierra]

I think they went to China right around the Australia ones

Though I'm not sure that was a TennoVIP

[fast dew]

Mhm, literally the day before the Melbourne one

Though you're right, wasnt a vip

Rebb was just there

[stiff fable]

I think it was for a conference

[fast dew]

She came to Australia the morning of the Melbourne one

[humble sierra]

She was crazy busy

[fast dew]

Girl didn't get much sleep lol

[restive river]

Tau already was colonized
By the sentients

[nocturne ibex]

Yeah, i remember now. They sent the sentiments there to terraform and prepare everything

[restive river]

Yup!
Then the sentients gained sentience, saw what the Orokin did to the Origin System and said nah, our home now

I respect it ngl, just wish they didn’t kill civilians 😔

[nocturne ibex]

Why did they sent the Zariman if sentients where there? I understand that at the time they hadn't gone rogue yet

[humble sierra]

Impatience

And the Zariman was full of people to colonize Tau

[strange plinth]

the sentients hadn't reached tau when the zariman was sent

[humble sierra]

Basically the Sentients would build houses for them

[nocturne ibex]

I guess Things weren't going well in the origen system for them

Or just impatience

[humble sierra]

There was never a point where the Orokin went "Hey we should let the Sentients live alongside us"

They were just tools

[nocturne ibex]

Yeah, there were just a mean to an end

[humble sierra]

Imagine if they didn't, and it was just Orokin killing civilians and blaming it on the Sentients as propaganda or whatever

[nocturne ibex]

Hopefully someday we will be able to visit Tau

[humble sierra]

That's this year's end of year update

[nocturne ibex]

Maybe our "friend" Hunhow can helps us 😄

[twin wigeon]

Tau is in sight.

[dire mountain]

What did I miss

[twin wigeon]

Tau is in sight.

👁️ 👅 👁️

[nocturne ibex]

I just hope they make sentients more interesting as an enemy

[nocturne ibex]

Right now it feels a bit underwhelming to fight sentients

[dire mountain]

Hey they used to be cool but lead-up to the new war neutered them

[twin wigeon]

lorewise sentients are fascinating

[dire mountain]

And I'm not even talking about operator, umbra, or paracesis

[twin wigeon]

plus the ones we have are basically lobotomized

[dire mountain]

Valdur... a man of his word

[nocturne ibex]

I mean sentients as a enemy we fight

[twin wigeon]

yeah we gonna basically be visiting the home base of the sentients

see how unrestricted growth and evolution have changed them

[ocean geyser]

Hm
What happens to the Eidolons we capture?

[nocturne ibex]

Have high expectations for that

Wait, did the Orokin use the infestation to fight the sentients?

Are they stupid? Aren't sentients immune to infestation?

Or the idea was to use the infestation to create bio soldiers?

[strange plinth]

i mean, they bio-bombed deimos to prevent the sentients from taking it n that worked

[nocturne ibex]

And eventually warframes

[dire mountain]

Bio-bomb is more asset denial than anything else but

[nocturne ibex]

So, what if we bio bomb a sentient planet? No effect?

[twin wigeon]

well the sentients can hijack tech so flesh is next best opttion

[dire mountain]

It doesn't really matter if youre immune to something if 50 thousand of them will swarm whatever you send down there though

[nocturne ibex]

That is why we use old fashioned weapons like bows?

And guns

[dusk temple]

The Sentients are essentially fancy computers. The infestation is called also the Technocyte for a reason. It’s a computer virus that kind of got meatsuits after 1999 and the rad wars of old earth in the pre-Orokin era iirc.

[nocturne ibex]

Oh, I didn't get to the hex yet

I have to continue the story

[dusk temple]

Yep. They hacked the fancy Orokin tech and turned it against them.

[nocturne ibex]

I have finished zariman and veilbreaker

[dusk temple]

I’m not 100% clear on how the Technocyte first came into being.

It’s all kind of muddled, even with 1999 explaining some of it.

[dire mountain]

Nobody is

[dusk temple]

That’s what happens when the planet gets nuked into an inhospitable state I guess.

[strange plinth]

Ballas: "Our hubris shone like a black star... for our technology, our war-machines were your kin. How easily you turned them against us. We were forced to older means. Not circuits, nor light... but flesh and disease. Our horrors past, our ravaged outer colonies... became gardens!"
quote for this, from the sacrifice

[dusk temple]

You lose all the records of what happened.

[dire mountain]

Well even in 1999 nobody we know actually knows where it came from

[dusk temple]

Eleanore said it looked like it started in the underground areas of Höllvania iirc.

[strange plinth]

yea, eleanor found it in the sewers
amir's hacked emails point to the scaldra messing with it in 1997
but that's about it

[nocturne ibex]

Also, I hope that for Tau we get better railjack missions. I think railjack should play a major role there

[strange plinth]

potentially
we're getting some railjack stuff with Constellations in june, at least

[restive river]

i could see that ):

[dusk temple]

That reminds me, I need to finish my Railjack intrinsics. 800 hours and I’m still not done with that.

[dire mountain]

It sucked

I need to level my bonewidow

But like. No?

[strange plinth]

i can never remember where those emails are on the wiki agh

[ocean geyser]

Bonewidow slander :(

[dusk temple]

Bonewidow leveling slander :)

The bonewidow is fun, the leveling up of it is not.

[dire mountain]

Coda or on-lyne pages

[strange plinth]

thanks

still wonder why that first email hasn't been changed

Dec 1998, Feb 1998, Aug 1998, Dec 1999
definitely supposed to be 1997

[nocturne ibex]

I have to do the Whisper in the wall quest now, is it scary?

[strange plinth]

not really

[nocturne ibex]

Nice

[vagrant zephyr]

probably Entrati or something

[strange plinth]

couldn't be

[dusk temple]

Yeah

Couldn’t be. He didn’t show up until 1999

When the virus was already in full swing.

[strange plinth]

he gets there in 1998 at the earliest, n we have those emails pointing to techrot existing in 1997

[vagrant zephyr]

hmm

funky

[twin wigeon]

could be sewer related

something in water perhaps

[dusk temple]

I think there were reports of it all the way back in 1995, which prompted Eleanor to make her way there in the first place.

[vagrant zephyr]

isnt it related to DE somehow? the in universe DE

[dusk temple]

For a tech-based virus? Doubtful.

[strange plinth]

they were puppeted by the techrot, yea
was an ARG thing

[vagrant zephyr]

actually iirc that was later when entrati was actually in town so it couldnt be directly related to them

like as the cause, I mean

[stiff beacon]

ngl techrots origins could still lie in darksector with a version of the games events being the backstory for it in warframe on top of the technological aspect found in the hacked emails, arg, and what eleanor was investigating

[twin wigeon]

well i mean the techrot reside in the sewers and arent against humid areas

[vagrant zephyr]

techrot are very

moist

[twin wigeon]

not the word i was expecting

[stiff beacon]

well yea shit is technorganic

[strange plinth]

Salem: Testudo Syndrome was a treatment-resistant disease that seemed to be exclusive to Höllvania, had some enigmatic and sinister connection to computers, and appeared all at once. And people who asked too many questions about it had a tendency to end up as a clog in a Höllvanian sewer pipe.
Eleanor r2c5

[dire mountain]

Also this is literally scaldra propaganda

[vagrant zephyr]

I wonder why its all localized to hollvania

[vagrant zephyr]

idk I just assumed that the time traveller who came from the time with the infested might have accidentally brought some with him somehow cuz idk how else it got there

[strange plinth]

this at the very least means it was being covered up by the scaldra, which lines up with what happened to. idr their name. in the 1999 ARG (letterbox or something??)

[vagrant zephyr]

if scaldra is so insistent on it being entrati im almost inclined to believe that its THEIR fault probably actually

[strange plinth]

Letterbomb

[stiff beacon]

well yea cause shit is tied to the hollvanian government

[stiff fable]

Once again, incidental dialogue in Warframe is hilarious

If you find this one, it will be in Nutrient Processing. I recommend you turn the other way.

It's like this root has tapped into something I have no business understanding. Now, instead of me studying it, it is studying me. I'm the specimen. I don't like it. ```

Wally is mushroom

[vagrant zephyr]

honestly man fungi are so weird I'm not even surprised one can harness the void

[woven coyote]

Nightcap has a scarily vivid description of precisely the attitude the orokin should have had with the void

Nonono turns the other way

[celest needle]

The 1999 ARG is honestly terrifying from a human perspective

[woven coyote]

So far none of the args have been exactly happy tbh

[ocean geyser]

When did they start ARG’ing anyway

[strange plinth]

fortuna was the first, i think?

[ocean geyser]

Oh word?

[strange plinth]

or was it the second

[ocean geyser]

I only know about the Zariman, 1999 and Old Peace

So that’s interesting

[woven coyote]

Debt slaves reaching out for help
Derelict ghost ship reaching out for help
Weird transmissions just ignoring time and relality

Fortuna was the first yeah

[celest needle]

Your online boards are controlled and watched by Scaldra

The Techrot can pose as people online and lure people in for weeks

And Scaldra is blockading the entire city and you will die if you try

Everything sucks and you are going to die one way or another

If you didn't die before the nuke that is

[woven coyote]

Like descriptions in the fortuna one arent exactly happy

[gloomy pecan]

I had no idea about the Techrot luring in people bit, scary

[woven coyote]

Zariman one also was a creepy ghost ship reaching out with transmissions of the last moments of a few people

Like yeah args arent exactly jolly in context

[wary bison]

what's the best warframe lore wise question mark

[stiff fable]

Chroma

[woven coyote]

An unanswerable question tbh

[stiff fable]

It's the only one with any kind of power level, as "one of the most powerful Warframes"

[woven coyote]

To begin with best at what?

[wary bison]

imagine chroma rework being a dragon on 4 legs

[wary bison]

well i actually found something about chroma in the wiki

When all the land is in ruins, Tenno, only Chroma will remain.-lotus

[stiff fable]

Adaptation!

Chroma's dragonskin is actually the skin of a Sentient he killed and wears now

[restive river]

What’s the source on this :?

I’m not finding it lol

[wary bison]

wait look

[stiff fable]

It's the old description, when Lotus did them in character

[restive river]

Ah ok

So Chroma’s the most durable/adaptable?

[wary bison]

it sounds like on the wiki

[restive river]

Well ig that’s before Caliban too

I largely wouldn’t trust the wiki as they tend to not source where they got the info
Which makes me it being wrong easy
But here it looks like the actual old description :D

Which I’d say all of those are canon unless something specifically contradicts it

Wish they would rework him

[stiff fable]

Sometime after Nidus

[wary bison]

is there a lore character wiki inside the game like a description for each warframe?

[restive river]

Please

[strange plinth]

there seems to be more chance of a chroma rework than an ember one

[restive river]

Yes
Every warframe and item has descriptions

[wary bison]

oh i see it must be in the ship

[stiff fable]

Not all of them are equal

[restive river]

Every resource, every frame, every weapon, every skin
Sometimes they’re nothing burgers
Sometimes they have actual lore

[restive river]

Arsenal

Or inventory

Or the market

[celest needle]

A glorious warrior from the past, Volt Prime features the same abilities as Volt, but with unique mod polarities for greater customization.

[wary bison]

ah you mean like for example this?

xd

nvm i just remember they were humans before

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HD20iNkW0AEfjnQ.mp4

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[left parrot]

Is there a way to know how Nokko was created?

Or his lore maybe

[left parrot]

Stolen, into my meme bag

[strange plinth]

closest thing we have is the scenes from The Prince

which only state that he is "not some leftover from some orokin lab" and that he "became the roots and fruits"
which is. not very clear

Nightcap: "Well look at you, Nokko. You ain't some leftover freak that some Orokin mucker made in a lab. Don't know how or why, but somewhere along the line you became the roots and fruits."

[gloomy pecan]

Source: WARFRAME Wiki https://share.google/SsNI2m1hmtKahYx9V

Just a statement that Nokko lives in the undermines

[left parrot]

Oh

[fleet furnace]

its kinda stupid but i wonder if theres some sort of infested connection with the vallis ecosystems, dont know how any of that would work but dont really know how else youd just come back from the dead because of it

[stiff fable]

That's just mushrooms

[hidden fractal]

So forgive me if im wrong but earth got nuked all over right? how is there anything growing anywhere?

[fleet furnace]

the current state of earth would be archimedean silvanas doing i believe, the silver grove quest has more details on how it happened

[stiff fable]

Warframe Earth was nuked several thousand years ago

Between The Silver Grove, overgrowth from the Orokin Towers and life just being that stubborn it's just come back

[woven coyote]

Life is just stubborn

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jeff-goldblum-life-finds-a-way-gif-8405245

[narrow pendant]

grineer space program

i hate how long ive been sleeping on ogris

[rigid compass]

Lol u should see archline on enemies in free roam

[narrow pendant]

ive been doing that with vectis as a sniping challenge lmao

[rigid compass]

I could never lol I barely can hit the thermia cans in exploiter fight

[narrow pendant]

whenever a game offers me to shoot grenades i go for it all the time lol

cyberpunk, ultrakill ect

makes me wish for a frame that goes specifically for whacky fps tech like an ability that lets you rocketboost, thrown coins that redirect shots to weakpoints, perhaps even splitting shots into multiple even if ur using acuity

would go hard as a 2nd cowboyframe ngl, instead of raw spam that mesa has theyd be more about precision

[twin wigeon]

CYBER!!!! YOU USE KOUMEI?!

😄

[zenith ore]

Is the market tab cannon?

[stiff fable]

more or less

The Corpus even sell stuff to Tenno

[zenith ore]

So can I buy 10 roathe and keep them in my orbiter?

[narrow pendant]

my main

[restive river]

Not everything in the market is canon
But the market itself is canon

The floofs seem to fall into prob canon, Loid canonically makes some if not all the protoframe ones

[zenith ore]

So I can't buy 10 roathe? Dang

[zenith ore]

When we get the protoframes are they just mere copies?

[restive river]

The skins? No

[zenith ore]

Oh, are any of the skins cannon anyway

[restive river]

Some are canon

[fast dew]

I really wanna see the entrati family get floofs

[zenith ore]

[restive river]

It’s a case by case basis

[fast dew]

I also would love to see how at least Euleria looked before she got wormed

[twin wigeon]

wait what

[fast dew]

Same portrait style as her father's

[zenith ore]

Boy you are deep in the entrati family now, how can someone be this invested?

[fast dew]

Yeah, Loid comments on recreating the protoframe floofs on Arthur's floof description

[fast dew]

Autism, its not a choice 😭

If i had a choice, it would be the sentients

[restive river]

Thomas or Grey
Do we have any exacts on whats happening with the gemini skins/emotes

[strange plinth]

yareli pandea is mentioned in reaper's lament
gersemi is valkyr w/ her skin
hydroid's and sevagoth's deluxes are canon to each other but are dubious outside of it
heirlooms have no evidence of being canon

for examples in a few different categories

[zenith ore]

The entrati have a more interesting lore tbh.

[fast dew]

Oh? What do you mean? The new ones?

[restive river]

Hydroid and sevagoth pirates are enemies to lovers

[pearl axle]

how do we define canon here, real question

[restive river]

No I mean the actual skins and emotes lol

[pearl axle]

like protoframes are canon NPCs but presumably it's not canon that you can own 20 of them

[restive river]

Not own but summon

[fast dew]

Oh. Well what do you mean on whats happening 😭

[strange plinth]

not afaik. all KIM dialogue points to them being hypotheticals outside of 1999 with no follow up
the roundtable and triad do not address it iirc

[restive river]

I believe it’s a mix of transference and maybe infestation

[fast dew]

OHH

Yeah no generally its noncanon

[pearl axle]

but like...skins are just different "versions" of a frame that's modified some way, right? so presumably stuff like the sevagoth/hydroid enemies to lovers stuff is just a sevagoth and a hydroid, not the original

[restive river]

Nobody said they were the originals

[fast dew]

Yeah, lol

[pearl axle]

I guess what I mean is I always just interpreted skins as like...a version of the frame looked like this at one point, because every frame has a bajillion copies

[restive river]

Also I’d say skins are canon if they reasonably are (valkyr gemesi) or have something else in-game pointing to them (yareli’s deluxe, nova’s deluxe, any leverian items)

[fast dew]

I actually saw some art of them that led me to discover that artist drew Doom and ultrakill content, that was. Genuinely the best part of my day yesterday

[pearl axle]

but it's not necessarily canon that you have tons them parked in your arsenal

[restive river]

Tennogens aint canon

[pearl axle]

fair

[restive river]

Not a “bajillion” but they could be mass produced to an extent

[pearl axle]

yeah that's what I meant to say

[strange plinth]

the helminth acknowledges that you have multiple frames iirc
something like 'who takes care of your frames when you aren't using them'

[fast dew]

I should make a tennogen limbo helmet that looks kinda like loid

[restive river]

If it is JUST in the market I’d say it ain’t canon unless it specifies it

[restive river]

Make the hat albrecht’s but infested
Maybe add a heart

[strange plinth]

mm, misremembered

"(Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me.)"

[restive river]

Do you also have a shortcut to the archives?

[fast dew]

I was gonna try and see if I can rig it so if I add glasses that are legally distinct from Loid's, to move instead when Limbo pulls the hat off his head

[pearl axle]

limbo protoframe (not loid obviously, unrelated) would actually be kinda cool

like a gentleman professor type guy

[fast dew]

Why not Loid 😭

He is exactly that

Shout out Loid for being super smart

[pearl axle]

if albrecht loves his boytoy he would not inflict limbo on him

(is meme limbo hate allowed here, I don't actually hate limbo)

[fast dew]

I mean i wouldn't call him. Albrecht's boytoy

[zenith ore]

Hate all you want

[restive river]

To specify further
I’d say there’s three categories with some examples
Confirmed canon - Gemesi, Yareli’s, Nova’s
Dubiously canon - Everything else
Non-canon - the sentient what-if skins, the original proto skins

[pearl axle]

original proto skins?

[strange plinth]

i have the wiki and the archives bookmarked lol
i use them depending on which i can get to the info i want faster

[restive river]

Hate bad limbos, the evil limbos
You get the rare good limbo who knows what they’re doing and it’s fine

[fast dew]

Anyways

[pearl axle]

true

[restive river]

The dark sector ones

[pearl axle]

I only play limbo to solo spy missions for sortie/archon hunts lol. don't really use him for anything else

I truly don't know how to play him without being a nuisance

[pearl axle]

....huh what are they called

I wanna look them up

[fast dew]

Proto something

[zenith ore]

They should add Michal Jackson as a protoframe and put him on limbo

[restive river]

Proto and nemesis iirc

[pearl axle]

this?

[restive river]

Yes

Tis but a reference

The proto necramech skin is the same thing technically
So were the just real weapon skins but those went from reference to canon due to 1999

Everything solidly tied to dark sector though is non-canon

[pearl axle]

does only excalibur have that or do other frames also have it

the proto armor I mean

[restive river]

(I’d say even those weapons are stretching it)

[restive river]

Nemesis Nyx

Again, references to dark sector

[pearl axle]

can you put gemini heads on other skins

[strange plinth]

no

[pearl axle]

you could straight up do dark sector cosplay with those if you can lol

damn

[strange plinth]

highly requested but i think there's some technical issue that prevents it?

[restive river]

Bingo

Tbh in hind-sight they should have made them that way but I get why they didn’t

[pearl axle]

neck seam problems presumably

[restive river]

The protoframe skins don’t work exactly the same as other skins

[pearl axle]

lots of games have very notable seams because of the way bodies work

like clothed bodies and naked bodies are different objects and the heads are separate and attached on

so it could be that regular frames and skins have heads/bodies as separate models but protos are just a single model with everything?

[zenith ore]

Could be

And it would be kinda not that beautiful, putting a human head on a machine... Who are you cyborg?

[pearl axle]

I mean that's literally what a protoframe is

[zenith ore]

They have human parts

[strange plinth]

the. the warframes are humans, transformed by helminth
the protos just aren't complete

[restive river]

You know what a cyborg is, right?

You know what the warframes are too, right?

[zenith ore]

I do but the protoframes are more human than a frame

[restive river]

Eh, more so they’re less complete

[pearl axle]

I mean, this is arthur full body

[restive river]

Umbra, even the one we replicate is pretty human to me

[pearl axle]

you pretty much only see his head without warframe bits or armor

[zenith ore]

He still has his mind intact, kinda

[dark compass]

Those neck muscles goddamn

[restive river]

And so do some frames lol

[pearl axle]

like I don't think he'd look bad if you could somehow place the head on idk, the umbra body

[dark compass]

It's like he doesn't have one

[strange plinth]

imagine the atlas proto

[pearl axle]

some protos designs should be based on the prime imo because uhhh

atlas's lack of head

[restive river]

Oh he has to be from boston

[pearl axle]

and bacon apron

like what's up with the bacon apron

[restive river]

Nah
Not unless it explicitly makes sense to do so
Which
It largely wouldn’t

The skins are meant to work on both versions of the frame, primarily the base version

[strange plinth]

marie's legs are somewhat similar to wisp prime's legs
but obv the rest of her is regular wisp

[restive river]

It’s also ofc batch dependent in-universe

[pearl axle]

yeah

[restive river]

Then comes which protoframe even gets that “honor”

You might pick one but someone else would pick another

If they do one for a prime then tbh
Loid or Albrecht

Prob Loid
Roathe didn’t even get a prime variant of the serum though (though maybe that has to do with the actual prime)

[pearl axle]

I doubt even DE knows what uriel prime is given how far off that is lol

or like nokko prime. how do we even explain that one

[lean garden]

hes got a head

[strange plinth]

roathe probably wouldn't have his whole 'i know who uriel prime is but i won't tell you until i'm dying' if they didn't have some idea of it

[lean garden]

hes just got an f1 neck

[strange plinth]

anyway Roathe Will Die In 3.5 Years

[pearl axle]

lmao

[lean garden]

or flare prime really, thats the one Im waiting to see what DE does

cux nokko can simply be a case of mushroom fella just saying shit

[pearl axle]

runs into lavos prime and learns how to prime themselves

[pearl axle]

you know nokko prime being used by the orokin to create the original venus mushrooms could work

which could potentially explain like, nokko growing out of it later?

[lean garden]

possibly? depends when they bothered terraforming venus

if they terraformed before the old war then it wouldny work

[strange plinth]

still betting on lizzie priming them with comet materials

[pearl axle]

I kinda wish we get more nokko skins based on different mushrooms

[strange plinth]

someone did go through and make a bunch of skin concepts based on the mission's mushrooms soon after he released iirc

[pearl axle]

yeah I saw that

how do tennogens even get added to the game

does a frame have to be a certain age before they pick tennogens for it?

[strange plinth]

not sure exactly how tennogen gets picked, beyond more votes on the workshop = higher chance of it being seen

[lean garden]

I dont think that can logically pan out tho

since our current flare BPs are from when they arrive

[pearl axle]

what exactly is the lore of gemini skins/playable protoframes anyway

[celest needle]

Oh boy

have you done your KIM?

[strange plinth]

^ got brought up before
but during 1999, the hex each have convos regarding being able to pilot them via transference

[pearl axle]

I have

I know you can transference into them but uhh

isn't kaya the only one canonically in the future?

[restive river]

Voidt stuff make friend go where we want cause infested all connected throughout time :]

[restive river]

Kaya makes it to the present with our help, yes
But Vena and Ryoku are literally from the future relative to our present

[stiff fable]

There's a convo where you talk about using reverse transference on a proto to pull them into the Origin System temporarily

[restive river]

Think of the gemini skins / emotes as
Very temporary and focused time travel ig lol

[pearl axle]

oh I missed that

[stiff fable]

So it's AN explanation, but it's also basically a handwave

[strange plinth]

though there's never a follow-up, which. kinda locks it into hypothetical

[pearl axle]

yeah lol

[stiff fable]

Because they don't ever talk about it so

[pearl axle]

man I wish you could use hex/triad as on call crew or specters instead of just play them as skins

vena/ryoku being railjack crew made me just

[strange plinth]

maybe
depending on how the community reacts to Vena/Ryoku, i could see them backporting it to other applicable protos
mostly roathe. i don't see lyon getting near a railjack (have you seen his archwing/atomicycle dialogue lmao). unsure about marie

[pearl axle]

want that for the protos in general

[restive river]

Problem: getting them there

[pearl axle]

kaya

[lean garden]

If you think about it, lyon and marie have never been to space

barring your transference shenanigans

[strange plinth]

earth to deimos in a straight line,,

[restive river]

True
I wish they’d
Do something with that

[lean garden]

and going to space is also not a thing for them

[pearl axle]

I was almost convinced when she did that it's like...meant to set up getting the hex out of the timeloop into the future for new plotlines

[strange plinth]

also barring dates, because those locations are. interesting.

[pearl axle]

except that didn't happen and I'm sad

[lean garden]

the hex and roundtable would be like "ah yes the space race of 69"

but Lyon and marie would be like "you landed on our god???"

[strange plinth]

why can we take lyon to the Cold Below scene

[pearl axle]

we primed your god and put psychic children on one them

[restive river]

Maybe one day

[lean garden]

dont either lyon or marie have dates on lua

[restive river]

Lyon might

[strange plinth]

lyon has circulus and umbra's courtyard
marie does not

[restive river]

-# I don’t think Marie says anything of value in her dates ngl

Like it’s cute ig but she does nothin’

[celest needle]

where even is that located???

[pearl axle]

how do you get dates

[restive river]

Void?

[restive river]

Lyon talks about how it’s like
Connected to death or something

[lean garden]

Mon miracle - pardon. Wait. I do not understand. We are... on Lua? We are standing upon Lua. Right now? Huh.

[fast dew]

Lyon is so cute shout out lyon

[pearl axle]

I go to roathe and click on "spend some time alone" and the cutscene is always the same

are there different ones?

[strange plinth]

you get a date captura scene every week in an email
there's 5 of them for each of the triad

[pearl axle]

rap tap tap that ass I'm so sorry

[restive river]

Imagine Lyon’s reaction to the moon landing
Er
Lua landing?

Also his bit in the circulus about him crying makes me think of the doctor who episode with van gogh