lore-discussion

[restive river]

He has abilities, a custom ability screen, he just isn’t moddable

[strange plinth]

• one of Sirius/Orion is likely to be similar to stalker

[regal ingot]

I said a stalker frame. Not play as stalker in duviri.

[restive river]

Some of it is

[round remnant]

But isn't the playable stalker extremely rare?

[stiff fable]

Straight up, never

[regal ingot]

No

[restive river]

Idk bout extremely rare lol

[humble sierra]

I feel like I see it like 1/3 of the time

[strange plinth]

don't think he's rarer than any other frame, its just a very large pool of options

[pallid spoke]

Fun fact, you used to be able to years ago (don't know if you still can) by having the Zanuka Hunter capture all of your frames.

[restive river]

And I’m saying we have Stalker, the one in Duviri just needs to not be in Duviri lol

[round remnant]

Ok, very well

[restive river]

Oh that’s funny lol

[regal ingot]

Isn't there a stalker skin for Excalibur?

[restive river]

I do remember when the devs would play as him and stalk players

[stiff fable]

That's just black coloration

[restive river]

No?

[stiff fable]

And lmao yes streamer mode

[pallid spoke]

Stalker's body is literally just recolored Excalibur.

[restive river]

Stalker does just have an Excal body
He’s basically shadow the hedgehog but a dad

[pallid spoke]

Only difference is the helmet.

[strange plinth]

recolored old excalibur, too

[restive river]

He has the umbra thingy too
And now he’s green!

[stiff fable]

The Stalk Chart was my favorite part

[restive river]

Idk what to call the “umbra thingy” lol

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Stalker_Mode

[pallid spoke]

Shadow Stalker doesn't count in this context, cause they got rid of those parts.

[restive river]

Aw yeah ):
well he got green at least

Oh yeah!
Playable stalker with the belly of the beast operation!

[humble sierra]

And it's coming back with BoTB!

[ocean geyser]

umbra has a lot of thingies so that doesnt really narrow it down 😭

[regal ingot]

This is why I said he was "evolving" as in the devs still have a story to tell with him. He's not built for actual player wants. Hence why he's "Defender stalker" after jade shadows part 1

[restive river]

The shadow stalker has a
Fabric?
Chest
Thingy

[ocean geyser]

ohh yeah

[restive river]

It would be cool if by the end of the Jade Shadow storyline he allows us to scan him or something

[stiff fable]

But yeah Stalker is DE's response to the "NPC Tenno" ask

[pallid spoke]

Actually, they updated his materials to use the modern Excalibur ones in recent years.

[restive river]

He ain’t even a Tenno 😭

[strange plinth]

oh?

[pallid spoke]

You can tell because his shading doesn't look flat anymore.

IIRC, when Protector Stalker was added, they applied those updated materials to the OG as well.

Those new materials were first seen in New War though.

[restive river]

He got a face life
Voice lift
Life lift(?)
Now he needs some more original abilities

[regal ingot]

So he's story locked is all no different from Umbra

[pallid spoke]

?

[twin wigeon]

what

[regal ingot]

Defender stalker

Stuff only shows up later

[pallid spoke]

Oh, yeah, the Stalker variant you encounter is based on story progress.

[strange plinth]

regular - pre-TSD
shadow - post-TSD
protector - post-Jade Shadows

[pallid spoke]

However, for some inexplicable reason during New War he reverts back into regular Stalker instead of Shadow Stalker.

[twin wigeon]

maybe he dons the whole armor when hes on the job yk

[pallid spoke]

Which is funny because in gameplay in regular missions he still appears as Shadow Stalker when spawning on you.

But in the New War quest he appears as regular Stalker.

[twin wigeon]

hes clocked out, there just happens to be enemies invading and theres no time to fashion frame

[regal ingot]

What i would do is stalker does become a "frame"? I would call him Sorin instead of Stalker. But then I suppose Sorin would be his Proto-Frame and Stalker is the Frame.

[strange plinth]

Sorren wouldn't even be a proto, that's just who Stalker used to be

[pallid spoke]

Protoframes are so confusingly named.

Because outside of one exception, they are NOT the originals.

[regal ingot]

Oh he has a strain. Jade/Sorin story line and ballas being ballas.

[twin wigeon]

Stalkers strain is just a weird mutation of the excalibur strain

[strange plinth]

excalibur + weird helmet + mostly ash abilities

[twin wigeon]

they look similar but stalker got some weird details and stuff

[regal ingot]

Sounds like a straight. To me.

Wasn't stalker originally just a mix of Ash+Excalibur?

[twin wigeon]

and now he got somewhat of nyxs absorb ability

[regal ingot]

Neat

[pallid spoke]

He's always had that.

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah

im larping mb

[pallid spoke]

It's just that Shadow Stalker doesn't use it. So people forgot about it cause that's what he was for so long.

[strange plinth]

playable stalker has these, assassin stalker has slash dash (excal), pull (mag), and reckoning (oberon) as well

punishment and absorb (nyx) are essentially the same ability with different flavor

[pallid spoke]

Marked is also a buffed version of the Marked for Death Helminth ability.

[regal ingot]

Which ultimately doesn't sound like a fully fleshed out stalker. Still evolving

[twin wigeon]

sounds like hes done now

[limber hull]

He really has too many powers

[regal ingot]

So! Sirius/Orion. Another Equinox style frame? Or 2 separate play styles?

[limber hull]

I hope we see his shadow version again, or maybe fused with his current version

[twin wigeon]

hes pretty lethal now plus he got jades light powering him

[regal ingot]

Ahyes. Through anime and my dead wife i shall perservere!

[ocean geyser]

we dont know yet!

[regal ingot]

Hence why I asked. We can theorize even if we're wrong

[ocean geyser]

fair lmao

its possible that it's an option

although it'd be hilarious if they were seperate frames

some people did bring up some neat ideas about that actually

like how you'd recieve the one you chose and the other would have to be farmed

[regal ingot]

What if its a pokemon thing? Hear me out. If ya build it for power you get Sirius or if ys build it for like range. You get Orion.

[strange plinth]

rebb did say "learn about their warframes" when mentioning the next devstream
ofc that could be a misspeak but its the only official thing we have

[humble sierra]

I mean they could just be Warframes in the sense that Umbra and Excalibur are different warframes

[twin wigeon]

theres no real point in theorizing if the next devstream is later this month

all i want tho is that polearm that they both had

[restive river]

There is a point
Fun :]

[twin wigeon]

looks like if orthos prime and sarofang had a baby

[restive river]

Oh I would love that

[twin wigeon]

mhm mhm

[strange plinth]

and bragging rights /s

[strange plinth]

call of the tempestarii be upon ye

[zenith ore]

[celest needle]

I wonder

What has it got to be like to be stationed in the plains

Sniping wild life?

Occasional ostron kidnapping?

Gotta be pretty boring

[radiant pier]

you get occasionally visited by a tenno looking to finish a riven challenge

[celest needle]

Rare but not impossible

But for the most part there isn't really anything to do there

You're just stationed to keep hold

Not even any facilities like Venus

Just outposts and grass and rock

[radiant pier]

you are there to be annihilated by tenno, or eidolons

[strange plinth]

Jarka: "Okay. Does everyone see the Tenno? Listen. Jarka has dealt with them before. Wait until it starts mining. Or fishing. Then attack!"

Jarka: "Jarka stood in her high watchtower and looked out onto the night. And somewhere in the night a walking thing called out in a great big voice all lonely and sad. And Jarka wanted so much to call back to it and say hello, Jarka hears you, she is here too. She is lonely too.'"
something like this prolly

[celest needle]

That's with a Tenni afoot and it sounds

Pretty lonely out there :(

Poor grineer

[winter berry]

Has DE ever said ‘these are our rules for how Adis talks’? Or has anyone ever worked it out themselves? I can’t figure out anything past ‘broken English’ and it’s killing me a little

[rose estuary]

I’m pretty sure it’s literally just broken English

[ashen pulsar]

til they get burnt to death with a mining laser

[restive river]

I doubt it will be but if prevention of bootstrap paradox theory is real…

[stiff fable]

If DE ends Constellations with it explicitly starting a bootstrap paradox imma cry

[radiant pier]

@stiff fable wanna see my tank family

[stiff fable]

Sure lol

[restive river]

My theory is that it would but we prevent it, preventing those possible futures as well

[restive river]

The twins go back
Get/kill their dad
Baby them grows up without dad
With mentors goes back to get dad
Loop forever

But if we stop them then we avoid a bootstrap and they can still exist cause eternalism!

It depends on their exact motive but they could be thinking by removing him it fixes something
Or
They’re doing it to ensure they happen

[vagrant zephyr]

I mean you are haunted by the ancient dead bones of That Which Will Not Lie so idk

[ashen pulsar]

arent they from different timeliness

does going back in time delete already existing eternalism timeliness

[restive river]

possible timelines, possible futures for our timeline

the baby is born in our timeline and then at some point, probably the naming they get split and eventually grow up in those possible futures

[zenith ore]

How many tennos were on Lua? Thousands? Or just a handful?

[strange plinth]

somewhere between a few hundred and a few thousand iirc
a roathe chat mentions a few hundred, but its also very clearly not an exact number
the few thousand estimate comes from the zariman arg, based on redacted character spacing

[zenith ore]

Aight then, thanks!

[ocean geyser]

This is fire writing

Did you do this 🫵

[strange plinth]

i wish
its kahl camp dialogue, idr when Jarka joins r4 or r5 i want to say?

[arctic zenith]

Alr, pick up basketball(street rules):
Kuva
Sisters
Coda

who wins

[stiff fable]

Coda

You know DJ Rom has actually played basketball

Meanwhile the liches try to kill the other players to win and the Sisters leave all the work to the Hounds

[celest needle]

The hounds dont have opposable thumbs or mouths and cannot pick up the ball

[stiff fable]

Exactly

[dire mountain]

Oh jarka I wasnt familiar with her game

[rigid compass]

Liches would blast the ball into nothing

[strange plinth]

gulphagor emoji when

[fast dew]

GULPHAGOR

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-go-my-scarab-gulphagor-warframe-gif-4880873392325418247

Awhhh

[loud oriole]

dang thomas beat me to it

[fast dew]

Gulpha chain 💔

[loud oriole]

ill just use the alternate

https://tenor.com/view/gulphagor-warframe-critter-roathe-gif-18333798093997479598

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/roathe-warframe-orokin-grand-carnus-gif-5724925698227963744

[celest needle]

Why is the triad's writing so disliked?

[dire mountain]

Coolkid369 viewer

[celest needle]

I haven't interacted with them much but like
why

they seem fine to me

[dire mountain]

Also does anyone have a clear screenshot of the Gauntalyst/hydrolyst extra synovia

[dire mountain]

Roathe kinda got all the real characterization and complexity

[dark compass]

Two mains reasons:

1. they're shoved in a completely unrelated update and have no real relevance
2. Roathe is the only one who got the spotlight

[fast dew]

Have you ever thought where they fit? Where in the timeline do you think Albrecht made them?

Why does Marie's whole thing end up as pointless? Why can you skip the whole thermostat process? Why can you cheat on your partner with them? Why does Roathe have two endings, and independent of both, why does he say a slur and not change for that specific thing? Why does Lyon have the item shop and not the tauron strike shop?

[dark compass]

Lyon opening a shop and it's all spires and totems made out of sentient corpses

Tf you've been doing my man

[narrow pendant]

hey coolkid stalker here

[dire mountain]

Marie especially is the worst of the bunch she's just kinda saying "monsieur Entrati is not all bad, you see? Mon ami I'm french"

[mystic sorrel]

lyon needed more conversations i do admit

[fast dew]

Lyon is made to fit around Marie

[dire mountain]

And its like. If youve been paying attention I don't think it really needed to be spelled out

[fast dew]

They could've just had one character instead of the two

[dire mountain]

He's not a good person. But he's not completely evil

[rigid compass]

Shes french thats all we needed to know the update sucked

[fast dew]

If anything, it made it worse

"Nooo see look Albrecht is just a manipulative asshole!!! See he manipulated a disabled woman!!!" Because thats how it comes across to a lot of people

[fleet furnace]

another issue with the triad is just how many triggers and checks exist, and how many bugs that had, and how easy it is to fall into pits with them that require a reset, but oh yeah resetting also sets a trigger with roathe

[dark compass]

You are kinda nudged towards convincing her against Entrati

[rigid compass]

People defend albrecht way too much imo

[dark compass]

Because the moment you try to be more nuanced about it the game recognizes it as you not being geniune

And she flips out

[fast dew]

As in. Why have both Marie and Lyon when you could've just had. One person. Shit would've been more efficient

[fast dew]

Dude no. I assure you they dont

[dark compass]

Skins first-

[mystic sorrel]

this this this

[fast dew]

Any regular of this chat can tell you, its not a common thing

[dark compass]

Let's hope that Constellations will avoid this with a dedicated update for- oh would you look at that it is two protos just like what Thomas said how could this happen

[rigid compass]

They should've packed all the protoframes into 1 giant infested human meatball and we could date its 13 sentient hivemind. Boom all problems solved

[fleet furnace]

yeah im not sure how i feel about proto ash and garuda

[fast dew]

I lowkey do not want them

[rigid compass]

Havent even come out lol

[fast dew]

More bullshit with Albrecht to fit in

[stiff fable]

I'm fine with it

[dire mountain]

I'm a bit apprehensive about them

[stiff fable]

I like them getting away from tying everything to 1999

[fast dew]

Yeah lets just. Casually never mention Albrecht can just hop timelines

[dire mountain]

I will reserve full judgements until release

[dark compass]

This you?

[stiff fable]

Though the fact it's future time travel is a big laugh

[dire mountain]

Is this the damn philanthropist dude from styanax's leverian

[dark compass]

Yes

[dire mountain]

😭

[rigid compass]

Thats how I feel about all the post whispers stuff. All that time travel is annoying and DE just might not be cooking with it

[fast dew]

Yeah but now we gotta fit it in before 1999 all over again, just like the triad, Albrecht never mentions it

[dark compass]

Wait do you know about the animated short they made

[rigid compass]

Who is that 😭

[dire mountain]

Yes

[dark compass]

For a moment I thought you didn't

[fast dew]

Time travel has been a thing since 2020

[dark compass]

I was about to share the coolest thing ever with you

[dire mountain]

That's how I'd even know what bro looks like tbf

[dark compass]

Maybe you just made a very good guess

[fleet furnace]

i think its cool to have warframes with voicelines and such, but fitting that in is a mess

[humble sierra]

I mean who says it's Albrecht

[dark compass]

Until proven otherwise, I'll subscribe to

[fast dew]

I don't know if that's worse or not

[rigid compass]

Best way to fit it could be they weren't made by albrecht instead by some future scientists with the proto strain

[dark compass]

"oh yeah Sirius/Orion can just do that"

And that's why they train and worship them

[humble sierra]

Sirius/Orion is just contagious lmao

[dark compass]

It was a very unfortunate sneeze

[humble sierra]

They are able to Helminth everyone

[rigid compass]

They just them

[celest needle]

Helminth Aids

[rigid compass]

We already got that lol

Cysts are infectious

[fast dew]

Eh, ima keep my expectations low. Just like I did for the triad

I was right about the triad, that was funny though

[dark compass]

I think that since it's a focused update and there's no romance

It might work out well

[fast dew]

Maybe

[dire mountain]

Maybe yeah

[dark compass]

They dodged as many bullets as they could

[fast dew]

Im. Not excited for it

[dire mountain]

Roundtable were cool

[fast dew]

They apparently don't even have a KIM

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-1999-techrot-encore-makesweet-my-beloved-gif-3476421366537505223

[fast dew]

Which. Is a bit better

[rigid compass]

The main issue is albrecht went to 1999 for a reason and made protoframes there and that all made sense but he can just time travel wherever now

[dark compass]

Where did they say that?

[rigid compass]

Wheres our double cheating though?

[dark compass]

See dodged another bullet

[humble sierra]

Confirmed somewhere

[dire mountain]

True

[rigid compass]

They could've just let u broke up with ur hex romance to romance triad though

[dire mountain]

Cant tell you where but its true

[dark compass]

You can do that

In... The consent convo itself

And it's rather cruel

[fast dew]

Nah, only Arthur's afaik

[strange plinth]

from https://www.warframe.com/en/news/devstream-195-overview

[dark compass]

Oh yeah

Arthur says he's not ok with it and you can just go "then it's over between us"

[rigid compass]

Only guy with a backbone

[dark compass]

Finally

[fast dew]

https://www.warframe.com/en/news/tennocon-2026-digital-pack-and-merch-pack-coming-soon

Shout out to me looking for this and seeing Arkadia posting the tennocon pack woah

[dark compass]

Instead of kim dialogue

[rigid compass]

Hes the only hex character I actually liked during the quest

[dark compass]

We are doing railjack missions with them

[rigid compass]

RAILJACK CONTENT 🗣️ 🔥

Where does DE get player feedback from?

[dark compass]

They do?

[rigid compass]

Idk

[dark compass]

Forums, if we're being serious

Forums have a much higher chance of them seeing an issue

[strange plinth]

reddit, the forums, the feedback channels (currently #1485733628611657925 and #1485733683934658801)
in no particular order

[rigid compass]

Bug reports arent really feedback -_-. do they listen to player feedback much?

[strange plinth]

a decent amount
bunch of follie's hunt changes because of feedback, most recently
they're aware of the want for a chroma rework iirc

[rigid compass]

Do people ask for more protoframes and romance? Or are they done with that stuff and finally want, imo, real content

[dire mountain]

They're selling so more will come

Atp I'm just glad we aren't listening to the community wanting characters to become protoframes

Especially nitokh or rusalka

Most contrived shit ever 😭

[blissful merlin]

Same lmao

[strange plinth]

there was a decent amount of backlash towards the triad's romance, which might(?) have affected the mentor protos
but protos in general probably aren't going anywhere. maybe they'll slow a little, though

[blissful merlin]

Happy with more protos thou. Excited to see how they handle their lore via Railjack stuff.

[rigid compass]

Also if hunhow got bigger in constellations and thats canon doesnt that mean he can make as many fragments as he wants by just growing? Also does that mean his reproduction being gone due to void means he cant produce separate intelligent sentients? So he made natah and erra back in tau which i always assumed they were just smart fragments he made in origin system.

[dire mountain]

Where the hell did you get the idea he got larger

[strange plinth]

Natah and Erra would've been made back in Tau, yes
Lotus has some archon hunt dialogue regarding her time in Tau, being trained by Amar

[rigid compass]

Yeah pazuul has some dialogue about her birth I think

[strange plinth]

mhm

[dire mountain]

Also just. The fact that they're Sentient Sentients. They couldn't be born after Hunhow makes it to Sol

[rigid compass]

According to SOME people he got larger since he finally the massive hole in uranus

[strange plinth]

something about lifting her from the manifold and how they sang

[celest needle]

phrasing

[dire mountain]

Manifold... singing...

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[strange plinth]

the sterilization caused by the void-scarring prevents whole new sentients, but fragments can still be made

[dire mountain]

Yup

[fast dew]

If anything hunhow would be smaller

If he's cutting fragments off himself, there would be a decrease in size

[dire mountain]

We still don't entirely know what separates a sentient sentient from a fragment though

[fast dew]

Mm, you'd think with the name fragments it would be. Splinters from the main body

[rigid compass]

My idea of what sentient reproduction was like he couldnt grow but he could make fragments and he designed some to be smart (natah and erra) to help in the old war, and that the sentients were running off a limited supply of "mass" and eventually would run out of themselves and not be able to create fragment armies and they would lose the old war

This was what I thought before new war even came out

[fast dew]

Natah and Erra aren't "smart fragments"

[rigid compass]

Sonions

[fast dew]

They are. Born from a womb

[rigid compass]

W reading comprehension my guy

[fast dew]

Hunhow's actually, straight uterus children

[rigid compass]

Let greyscale cook

[strange plinth]

"Do you remember, Natah? That first day. How our father, lifted you screaming from the manifold. How we sang."
pretty much the only detail on whatever the other method of sentient creation is

[fast dew]

And.

Hunhow's womb, thats important i think

[rigid compass]

Wait is this pazul or erra?

[strange plinth]

pazuul

[fast dew]

Its used, as it being damaged cripples that form of reproduction

[rigid compass]

He considers hunhow his father?

[dire mountain]

Always assumed it was like the goop on perita and the murexes but we don't really know

[rigid compass]

The goop is weird lol

[fast dew]

Pazuul has Erra's memories, it leaks through

[strange plinth]

mm, Pazuul doesn't seem to differentiate himself from Erra

[rigid compass]

Maybe its transport or storage not actually making them

[fast dew]

Yeah thats

True grey

He really doesn't

[strange plinth]

"My father severed the worlds, sundered the link we had forged with Tau, in the days of our enslavement. In the darkness beyond the Veil, we waited. The lords of Tau were silent."
another example

[rigid compass]

Whats this even saying 😭

[dire mountain]

When are we getting art book 2 with full sentient anatomy

[strange plinth]

though there's also

"The Mother and the Father shaped the creatures. The Owl. The Snake. The Wolf. And the Ram, who ruled them all. It was glorious, and the creatures were content. The Ram smiled among new creations' blue blades."
so the archons may have been made by hunhow n praghasa anyway
as those are usually who "mother" and "father" are when talking about sentients

[fast dew]

Hunhow broke the rail to tau during the war

[dire mountain]

Hunhow destroyed the Great Rail (going from Sol to Tau)

[strange plinth]

not- the actual archons but the sentients before they were archons

[fast dew]

Ye, the ouppy and the others

[dire mountain]

Not while he was going there but at least that side of the rail

Afaik the tau side is unknown?

[strange plinth]

yea

[fast dew]

The tau one is intact afaik

[rigid compass]

Tau to sol u mean?

[fast dew]

Unless they dismantled it in the meantime

[dire mountain]

The parenthesis means the side of the rail not the trip being taken

[rigid compass]

They may have also not wanted to touch the space building made of dead them

[fast dew]

Wh

Yeah like Ik they're made of dead sentients but like

I genuinely do not think drones gaf lol

[strange plinth]

Sentient: "We crossed the gap, wombs in ruin, to bring an end to this. We severed the worlds, let them destroy me, why is the sequence not complete?"

Lotus: "My father shattered the Solar Rail, and the Veil erupted in its wake. Whether by accident or design, I cannot know."
uhh
there's another line i think but i'm not remembering where
is it another pazuul line-

[fast dew]

They don't have a mind atp

[rigid compass]

The veil is?

[strange plinth]

Veil proxima, rj region

[twin wigeon]

Home to like most the murexes youll ever encounter

[fast dew]

Mhm

[twin wigeon]

thus far at least

[rigid compass]

Can we assume hunhow and praghasa are the og sentients or are there maybe more progenitor sentients like the plains one maybe

[fast dew]

The way to get caliban iirc

[twin wigeon]

yep those pesky anomaly shards

[strange plinth]

praghasa was the largest that came back to Sol, at least
i'm not sure if Hunhow and Praghasa were 'originals' but they seemed high up on the 'ladder'

[twin wigeon]

mhm

[dire mountain]

The only thing I can say for sure is the plains sentient was seemingly a sentient hivemind

[twin wigeon]

making Lotus the queen of the sentients

[rigid compass]

I feel like its implied praghasa is like the og og kinda

[fast dew]

Mm, means it was a fragment then, if it was connected to a hivemind

[rigid compass]

No it was smart

[fast dew]

That doesnt mean they're not apart of the hivemind

[strange plinth]

where are those fragments

[twin wigeon]

the eidolon or the voms

[fast dew]

Bombalyst....

[rigid compass]

Its a massive sentient on hunhows level and the way they talk about it is like its smart. It kills the animals searching for it and realizes kuva can restore its reproduction thus fights even harder against the unum

[twin wigeon]

the voms are like barely sentient

[rigid compass]

[strange plinth]

And what little of the Unum was present there... lit the Sentient's mind like the dark star from which it had fallen. The Sentient, you see, could not procreate. But in the Temple kuva it tasted healing. Completeness. A future.
yea, seems separate from the hive but may have had its own

[fast dew]

Mm

[dire mountain]

It reads like it had its own

[twin wigeon]

its like a bigger fragment of hunhow or smth, ofc it has a mind of itts on

[rigid compass]

Whether or not the tau solor rail is intact the only way I see us using that is if hunhow becomes the sol rail which we would only know if he would actually do that after constellations

[stiff fable]

Wait, is the Plains Sentient supposed to be part of Hunhow?

[strange plinth]

The Sentient knew the tower was the future of its race. The Sentient threw itself at the tower, no longer cautious, taking great losses and knowing the prize was worthy of it. Should it succeed all losses would be replaced a thousand-fold.

[fast dew]

Wha

[stiff fable]

Because afaik that's never implied

[dire mountain]

Not that I know of

[stiff fable]

ok whew

[strange plinth]

it shares some visual similarities(?) but i don't think its part of hunhow, no

[dire mountain]

The giant-ass corpse in the west looks different from hunhow's stuff

[fast dew]

Also I feel as if it being the size of hunhow it. Wouldn't have an issue getting to the unum lol

[twin wigeon]

i mean its a fragment or does itt just have sentient energy

[rigid compass]

So yall can say natah and erra are their own thing but plains is a smart fragment despite the flowers being dead

[dire mountain]

There IS this guy though? Which is reminiscent

[stiff fable]

It's not a fragment though

It would have been a whole Sentient in its own right

[twin wigeon]

yeah im just wrong

[strange plinth]

yea that one just looks like part of hunhow

[dire mountain]

This is just not part of hunhow this is someone else

[rigid compass]

Thats like saying humans look like each other cause we all have arms legs and organs

[strange plinth]

not even like. a fragment of hunhow. that looks like part of hunhow's model is sitting there, retextured

[stiff fable]

That's actually what Caesar's getting all, all Sentients look alike to us

[fast dew]

If a murex can obliterate part of Unum i feel as if.

A Hunhow sized sentient would've been able to get there a lot easier than the struggle the plains sentient had

[twin wigeon]

we all kinda do look somewhat similar

[fast dew]

We

We do

We do look alike for that exact reason

[stiff fable]

The Plains Sentient couldn't attack during the daytime and had already blown up a bunch of other Towers

[dire mountain]

I mean, yeah humans generally share the same body plan. If I was an outsider to the species I'd probably have a hard time telling people apart sometimes

[stiff fable]

it was having trouble with the Unum thanks to the Quills and Gara and the Unum's "no U" towers

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-yuji-itadori-itadoru-itadoru-i'm-you-mahito-gif-657790813846909156

[fast dew]

Hunhow still can't do that

[stiff fable]

[strange plinth]

"Orokin called Alad V"

[fast dew]

Ehhh still unsure why it. Couldnt attack in the daylight. It deadass got sunburn

[stiff fable]

I think that's exactly it tbh

[strange plinth]

granted he's able to "recognize" drifter as tenno

[dire mountain]

But the plains sentient was its own sentient (presumably having a hivemind with its fragments) hence, sentient hivemind

[stiff fable]

it got an extra nasty case of voidburn during the jump

[rigid compass]

Sonion

[twin wigeon]

prolly our void signature

[fast dew]

True..

[dire mountain]

Drifter didnt have any void powers at that point

[stiff fable]

or maybe the Plains Sentient was albino

[rigid compass]

Who else would approach him though lol

[fast dew]

Uhm

[rigid compass]

Erm actually ☝️ 🤓

[twin wigeon]

maybe our lack of veil then

[fast dew]

Kaxata..

Something idk

[strange plinth]

Hunhow: "Even the Golden Lord of Lies cannot kill you, Tenno."

[stiff fable]

funniest possible answer is that it's Stalker who (didn't) recognize Drifter

[twin wigeon]

Thomas is Dante confirmed...

[dire mountain]

Honestly probably just hater shit

"Here comes that twerp again that my daughter loves what do they want this time"

[fast dew]

I mean, we could have lingering Void traces on us

[strange plinth]

sidenote i love that nickname for ballas

[rigid compass]

100%

[rigid compass]

Hunhow just got aura bro thats it

[dire mountain]

Hunhow being such a hater he's able to recognize the tenno is just a funny idea

[rigid compass]

530000 iq

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[rigid compass]

Its true

Anyone who says otherwise is larping

[fast dew]

We don't even know how

[twin wigeon]

meanwhile broken natah almost gave us the bite of 87

[strange plinth]

was that the-

[dire mountain]

The bite of XX99

[twin wigeon]

talm about more even though we almost died and needed to get hard carried

[rigid compass]

If we take clan tiers as canon moon clans with 1000 members would mean that theres at least several thousand to tens of thousand tenno

[blissful merlin]

XX87 was such a horrifying year in the past and the future, albrecht decided to remain in the 99’s of past or future lmao

[twin wigeon]

yes

[stiff fable]

Biz says there's at least 50K

[rigid compass]

really?

[stiff fable]

yep

[strange plinth]

important events only happen on a 100 year cycle
the 99s are very eventful and the rest is boring

[fast dew]

Eh, that's Biz

[twin wigeon]

we also know that theres several from that scene of the resevoir

[fast dew]

How much of a reliable source would he be

[stiff fable]

And Fibonacci mentions "clans with thousands of members"

[stiff fable]

He was specifically asking Tenno to kill a bunch of Corpus for him

[twin wigeon]

the fish is never wrong Thomas

[rigid compass]

I think u got more unreliable sources to fry gang

[dire mountain]

I mean why would he be unreliable

[stiff fable]

So in that regard he was probably pretty accurate

[dire mountain]

I don't think he'd tell a shit ton of tenno to cause a distraction then lie about the numbers

[fast dew]

How would he know the number from the zariman without digging up the records for em?

[stiff fable]

Also worth noting that Business set Legs up to be repo'd

[rigid compass]

He doesnt need to

[stiff fable]

So the entire reason the kid had his arms and legs ripped off is him

[rigid compass]

NOOOOOOOO

AW HELL NAH

[twin wigeon]

QUICK, WHATS HIS ORIGINAL NAME

[dire mountain]

Unironically he wouldnt need to he just got the data monitoring corpus comms on like, v prime was it?

[stiff fable]

Some random fragments have the BEST lore in them

[rigid compass]

THURSBY MY GOAT

[fast dew]

Not intentionally lying, but generally just. How would he have the actual number without. Digging for zariman records

[stiff fable]

but yeah Business put out a call to Tenno to merk some Corpus, and 50K Tenno showed up to help

[dire mountain]

Ghouls

[fast dew]

Dont we also have wavering numbers anyways?

[stiff fable]

So 50K is the floor

[rigid compass]

Random fragments where tf do people find em i swear i havent gotten any plains fragments since 2018

[twin wigeon]

good... youd be surprised how many larpers ive caught

[stiff fable]

There are almost certainly more

[dire mountain]

What fragments do you have

[strange plinth]

we would have a little more towards the 'couple thousand tenno' angle if we take operation dialogue as the same level of canon
i've just been going off of zariman arg and that one roathe chat

[blissful merlin]

where does he say this exactly? Would love to grab a quote or refrence for another lore server I’m discussing this stuff with

[rigid compass]

Like 1 from some big sentient piece

[dire mountain]

Fortuna arg

[fast dew]

Yeah, thats more new information. Which is what I'll go for

[blissful merlin]

AHHHHH…time to find and read through all that lol

[stiff fable]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/arg-fortuna/

You've helped us reach 50,000 members.

I have new intel for you.```

[dire mountain]

Whats the lore implications of the business being a discord user

[rigid compass]

Lowkirk we just have as many tenno as players

[blissful merlin]

Legend. Thank you.

[fast dew]

Wh. What was that number in reference to?

[rigid compass]

Easiest answer

[twin wigeon]

little duck is 100 percent a discord user

[blissful merlin]

Tenno I guess

[stiff fable]

IRL it was the number of people participating in the Fortuna ARG

[fast dew]

Yeah I mean I know that just. What triggered that number to be met?

[stiff fable]

The secret Fortuna ARG Discord

[rigid compass]

50000 people

[fast dew]

Oh so. Somewhat not reliable

[blissful merlin]

Oh I have no clue lol. Wasn’t there for this one.

[strange plinth]

i think that's part of why i've seen it discounted
kind of a meta aspect

[fast dew]

Hot take but that number was a variable

[rigid compass]

Cold take but I think milk first

[fast dew]

The rest of the game doesn't seem to implicate that

Eg roathe and the zariman arg

[rigid compass]

Player count = tenno count
Source: made it tf up

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[stiff fable]

I mean, we have emails from Fib talking about Storm clans

Clans with thousands of members

[rigid compass]

Zariman is probably bigger than ur thinking

[fast dew]

Ehhh

Depends on how fib mentions it

[twin wigeon]

theres also alot of overlapping zarimans

[rigid compass]

?

[stiff fable]

not relevant to this discussion

[zenith ore]

[fast dew]

Thats true though

[rigid compass]

Eternalism or what?

[stiff fable]

"Clans with thousands of members"

[twin wigeon]

later

[fast dew]

Chilly just wanted to say that, doesn't mean its relevant to the conversation

[twin wigeon]

indeed

[stiff fable]

Thank you. All of you, from those clans numbering but one, to the mighty coalitions encompassing thousands.

[strange plinth]

full email

-# The Cry went up, and did not go unanswered

-# Tenno,

-# I was brash – thank you for banishing the Void Angels from the halls beyond the Sanctum. I thought it wiser to detect the Murmur getting out, but the real risk was Void Angels getting in.

-# Thank you. All of you, from those clans numbering but one, to the mighty coalitions encompassing thousands.

-# The Gargoyles are aligned. A proverbial net has been strung across the known System. The Angels are repelled. I hear them bellowing even now, in their cheated rage. The Indifference is caged and confined.

-# Should it break forth in some future time, those who stand against it then will look back on what you did this day and say: they did their part, all of them. And so shall we.

-# Be proud, Tenno. It is well deserved.

-# —Fibonacci

[fast dew]

So. Its never stated how many of those large clans exist

[dire mountain]

So there's at least 2001 tenno

[twin wigeon]

aw man im such a larper for missing tthat event

[rigid compass]

Stand proud tenno. U are helding wally back

[strange plinth]

part of the operation was building a large gargoyle in the dojo
so the clans kinda have to be mentioned in some aspect

[fast dew]

Mhm

[rigid compass]

I legit have not played any events except atramentum and I only did like a few of those and got the color pallete

[fast dew]

I think it shows

[stiff fable]

anyway, the 50K number works because it accounts for multiple clans of varying sizes, plus indepdent Tenno

and because it's the average active playercount on Steam

[fast dew]

I do not think that number is accurate

[rigid compass]

Ive been on and off for 8 years and missed every event

[fast dew]

Yeah and it shows

:p

[rigid compass]

You know what else shows?

[strange plinth]

i think 50k could fit with the zariman arg?
unsure

[twin wigeon]

ive missed tthe first belly of the beast occurance and all the args except the perita one

[dire mountain]

Where exactly are you getting anything from the zariman arg I dont wanna look through all of it rn

[dire mountain]

Old peace didn't even have an arg

[rigid compass]

50k kids on the zariman is very possible

[fast dew]

Ehh, maybe. Id think the number Roathe suggests would be. What id think.

We also can't go off raw data, if its just how many kids were on the ship, quite a few died

[twin wigeon]

i mean the focus school one was counted as a arg according to the wiki

but... the wiki is questionable

[rigid compass]

Zariman is like hella big 50k kids is only like 50 schools worth of kids

[dire mountain]

Random cryptic livestream is not the same as an arg

[rigid compass]

Really not that much

[strange plinth]

iirc there was an email that had exact character spacing but no numbers regarding the population of the zariman?

[twin wigeon]

it wasnt just the livestream tho

[fast dew]

What kinda school are you going to that consistently has 10,000 kids lmao

[twin wigeon]

im off topic

[fast dew]

WAIT. WRONG NUMBER CHRIST

[woven coyote]

yeah it had a bar like spoilers in discord

also when DE later republished the images they just had <redacted> instead

[dire mountain]

The historical extract doesn't fit the definition either

[fast dew]

I need to get a drink actually im gonna explode

[twin wigeon]

why is thomas self-combusting

[strange plinth]

happens

[woven coyote]

it is part of the natural thomas cycle

[twin wigeon]

honestly, thats so real

[fast dew]

I've had a migraine for the last day among my organs trying to crush themselves again, I deserve at least one cruiser and a combustion

[strange plinth]

mm, yea here's the <redacted> version

[fast dew]

And i still gotta go make dinner

[blissful merlin]

Oh Lordy, please, PLEASE stop calling yourself a “larper” you’re not…..

[fast dew]

Gonna get messed up and handle an open flame lets go

[midnight ice]

every second 2000 tenno are born. No wonder the Lotus is exhausted

[fast dew]

– Arthur probably

[cunning ore]

Meanwhile i stay here to learn what i had missed, have only 1 years in this game

[dire mountain]

You are the youngest tenno EVER

[fast dew]

If my housemate decides it would be nice to go yap about his ballas made a deal with wally theory again i will crash out

Im not in the mood for bullshit

[twin wigeon]

ive been around for 8-9 years i think

started when chains of harrow first released

[dire mountain]

Jade light him

[twin wigeon]

spooky time to be conscious

[cunning ore]

So Tenno reproduced every second?

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaugh-gif-26144251

[fast dew]

Mm, chat when was the last closed beta that wasn't mobile

[dire mountain]

This happened to my buddy eric

[midnight ice]

this happened to my mother Marge

[fast dew]

Trying to figure out when my mate with the weird progress played

[strange plinth]

a while ago

[fast dew]

This happened to my father Andy

[fast dew]

Very helpful danke grey

[dire mountain]

Really weird how the next parental figure looks exactly like her

[fast dew]

Cuz he has a closed beta accolade but. Was only pc

[dire mountain]

Probably unrelated right

[twin wigeon]

happened to my favorite scientist, Yonts

[fast dew]

Dude used a Hotmail for the account, it was. Funny

[dire mountain]

Happened to my mentor Javi

I lied no it didn't

[fast dew]

Ash prime, Moa, a vandal I cannot remember what was, randomly has a helminth charger without having a helminth

[midnight ice]

my neighbor told me orokin keep jade lighting his mother figures so I asked how many mother figures he has and he said he just goes to the archimedeans and gets a new mother figures afterwards so I said it sounds like he’s just feeding mother figures to jade lights and then his warframe started crying.

[dire mountain]

Yeah helminth charger requires a cyst and an incubator

[fast dew]

Closed beta accolade and like 1.5k plat

[fast dew]

Oh xata

Still
Weird ass progress

Half the starchart wasnt done

[dire mountain]

Also could be opticor vandal

[fast dew]

Mmm, no it was

Lato

Lato vandal

[dire mountain]

No thats normal progress actually

Nothing is weird about that

[fast dew]

Isnt. the Lato vandal from ESO?

[dire mountain]

Closed beta (lato vandal) -> ash prime was like 2015 so nothing weird (not any incentive to finish the star chart before arbitrations and SP) -> helminth charger was late 2016 -> moa 2018

[fast dew]

Nodding

[dire mountain]

This weapon was available to anyone who logged in during the Closed Beta

[fast dew]

Just. Weird to have all these things and not know how basic warframe shit works

Also had like. Other warframes too, not just ash

[dire mountain]

Yeah

Thats normal

Probably like loki prime and trinity maybe frost or ember

[strange plinth]

tbf a decent number of systems have changed, given that timeframe

[fast dew]

Trinity prime true

Base ember

[stiff fable]

when the game first launched the starters were Excal, Loki and Volt

[dire mountain]

Yupp

[stiff fable]

Mag was a later addition lol

[fast dew]

Mm, he has excal

[dire mountain]

Back in my day we got primes from the Void towers

[fast dew]

So now we know he. Played from 2012 to 2013

At the very least

[twin wigeon]

Back in my day, Ivara dropped from normal spy missions

[stiff fable]

I can't believe they're bringing that back for Soulframe

[fast dew]

Oh my god maybe the plat is from the ash prime access, if he had one

[strange plinth]

he did

[fast dew]

Because. He bought ash [with real money!!] And so

Thats probably good to know

[strange plinth]

syandana n sentinel skin came with it
vectis and carrier were the other primes

[fast dew]

Mm, does the closed beta accolade override the 10 year supporter accolade or is that. A separate thing

[dire mountain]

A real account state I've seen is a founder, DE employee, with a sirocco but no mote amp on the profile with 2 tenet weapons, all under 12 hours of gameplay

[twin wigeon]

ok i lost track, what are we talking abt

[fast dew]

My mate with a giga old account

Og closed beta player

[twin wigeon]

oddity

[dire mountain]

Which was genuinely perplexing to me

[fast dew]

What the hell lmao

[twin wigeon]

thats like before lith relic kinda old

[fast dew]

Mm, if he did what I think he did, he probably bought the warframe only pack

Which. Doesn't have the other ones afaik

[dire mountain]

Hello thats me

Ive played before relics

The current implementation of void fissures is the second one

[fast dew]

That. Explains why he didnt know what relics did

[dire mountain]

And I feel like im the only one to remember the first iteration

[dire mountain]

Not the void keys

[fast dew]

Explain maybe the friend™ knows

[dire mountain]

There was a time between void keys and current relics where you had to genuinely pick up reactant and bring it to a fissure to seal it

Pick up like a power cell

[fast dew]

What the shit

[twin wigeon]

wait

thats kinda fire

[dire mountain]

https://youtu.be/gFfCnCsXy8o

[twin wigeon]

like a thermia fracture

warframe still looks like this to me

[stiff fable]

wait I like that

New mission type

[twin wigeon]

yesssssss

make void fissures more dangerous now that wally is becoming more active

void fracture!!!

[dire mountain]

Okay I might be misremembering about the like a power cell bit?

[stiff fable]

Have the Murmur show up every few rooms and kill corrupted

[twin wigeon]

nah, even if it was off, thats still sick

[stiff fable]

if you don't kill the murmur, the fractured one shows up at extraction

[twin wigeon]

the Fragmented one

[stiff fable]

same difference

[twin wigeon]

yes spawn a small fragmented that prevents ppl from actively leaving

[pallid spoke]

I do not at all remember that being a thing.

[dire mountain]

It was very short lived

[pallid spoke]

I'm pretty sure I was there for Specters of the Rail launch, guess I just didn't do any fissures until after it had changed.

[dire mountain]

Modern fissures were introduced with specters of the rail hotfix 13

I totally forgot there was a time when "(x item) has received the PBR treatment!" Was a big deal

[twin wigeon]

boooooooooo

whats pbr

[dire mountain]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/PBR

[twin wigeon]

ohhhhhhh

so in the patch notes DE gave weapons PBR over time

[dire mountain]

Like that's just the norm nowadays

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[twin wigeon]

wow

theyve come a long way

all in 13 years

im older than the game

oh wait... everyone likely is

[dark compass]

I won't point fingers

[twin wigeon]

Wally wishes he could point a finger

[fast dew]

He has 3 others!

[twin wigeon]

Wait

Is Wally a lefty or righty

[fast dew]

Mm

Good question

[twin wigeon]

90% sure hes a righty

[fast dew]

Mm, its his right hand without the finger

First right hand at least

[dark compass]

He probably copied Albrecht on that

[fast dew]

Albrecht and his illegible handwriting

[pale cedar]

Everyone in gaming is right handed except when they’re a devil shaking a hand

[fast dew]

Im like

89% sure doomguy is ambidextrous

Or has a lot more skill with using his left hand than others

[pale cedar]

I bet Wally is above the concept of dominant hand

[twin wigeon]

I mean he uses his right hand to squish us, does he use the same to make deals?

[pale cedar]

Though having more than 3 fingers would definitely help

[twin wigeon]

Um he has 9?

[pale cedar]

On one hand

[twin wigeon]

He has at least 4

[fast dew]

Thumb dont count

[twin wigeon]

Mmmmmmmm …

[pale cedar]

Let’s ask Wally how he sees it

27. How many fingers are found upon one's hand?

A. Five

B. Where are my fingerbones, kiddo? (correct)

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

Today Thomas shall light Lorechat on fire

I think Albrecht was justified in leaving his family

Also how is mother shocked about wally when she wouldve read about him from the panels where Albrecht says he was gonna let himself die

Like

Huh 😭

[strange plinth]

confirmation from more sources, maybe

[fast dew]

Maybe grandmother didnt. Show them to the rest of the family

Just. Didn't tell mother on the more concerning parts

[strange plinth]

maybe?

[pale cedar]

Necraloid implies the room is soundproof and that they aren’t allowed there

[fast dew]

Mm, but Grandmother comments on what we could only assume as those panels

[pale cedar]

Or well don’t know about it

What does she say?

[worn cypress]

whats the lore behind follie

[fast dew]

"Well. I am not shy about admitting that I have been played, dear. Especially when the person doing the playing is so clearly a master at it. Those inscribed panels of Albrecht left for us to read, all that guff about how he was giving up and letting himself perish, and all the whole he was whooping it up down below with his manservant! The temerity! Best prepare yourself, sweetling. If Albrecht is alive, then that thing he unleashed is still out there, too. Every light casts a shadow."

[pale cedar]

I think Loid has been spilling secrets

[zenith ore]

[pale cedar]

Grandmother probably didn’t tell Mother

[fallen iris]

Bro what even are acolytes

Like how do they exist

[strange plinth]

good question !

[fallen iris]

They have warframe bodies but have the stalker head

Are they like stalker in a way

Or maybe umbra

[strange turtle]

Most likely stalker

[strange plinth]

the only info we have on them is that little blurb from alad at the start of Shadow Debt

The Stalker has found others as twisted as himself. He calls them his Acolytes and he's sent them after ME?!

SHHH. I have to be very quiet, they cloak, they could be hiding anywhere… listening to this.

I'm calling in my favor. Break into Corpus and Grineer installations and steal their security data. With enough data, I can determine their cloaking patterns and turn the tables on these… betrayers.

which is. not descriptive

[strange turtle]

Aside from lorewise they’re just hims with different abilities and base frames, and since they seemingly instantly became loyal up with him best guess is they were also Low Guardians or some other form of soldier who got punished like him before the Night

[fallen iris]

I still don’t like his new voice

I miss whisper stalker

[pale cedar]

I prefer the new one

[strange plinth]

my only issue with the new one is how slow he speaks
i understand that its part of the Vibe™ but brother your subtitles have advanced a whole stage before you're halfway done with the first

[fallen iris]

Bro the ppl at de did not have to cook and write the coolest backstory for our boy oridis

But they did and I love it

[fast dew]

My biggest hot take is that its not that remarkable of a story

[smoky gulch]

And 95% of players will never learn it

[fallen iris]

Ballas why like “yo bro wanna be an orokin?
Ordis was like “ima kill u”

[smoky gulch]

4.9% will learn from tubers

But ye, story's impact is based around posing caring and whimpy Ordis with bloodlustful Ordan

Which works since we see the unhinged Ordan sometimes bleeding through when talking

[tall echo]

I only miss the old "what have you done" line, the new one doesn't sound injured enough

[rigid compass]

500*

[pale cedar]

Too much math

[smoky gulch]

1,000*

Which still, for 6 grades 30 students each is... 5-6 classes per grade? Tons of kids

[scenic oar]

So, about immortality, how drifter immortality different with operator's?

[fast dew]

The highschool for my town is the highschool for a total of. 7? Different towns, and it only has 1000ish a year

The other highschools in the area have drastically lower amounts

Primary schools rarely hit the 500 mark

[cunning ore]

Why the caculation keep going?

[pale cedar]

Operator is outside of a loop so can die

Drifter is inside of a loop so if they die they will eventually return anyway

[vagrant zephyr]

Operator canonically has the revives tho ofc

[pale cedar]

Which in of itself isn’t a permanent solution as Operator can still die as shown in Old Peace, the radiation that killed other Tenno and Rell dying of old age

There’s no true immortality

[vagrant zephyr]

I mean they got the revive from old peace, and the other Tenno DONT have that same power

[fast dew]

They

What? How do you know that lol

[vagrant zephyr]

THATS what

[pale cedar]

It’s not something only Operator has

[vagrant zephyr]

like thats what Adis did?

lorewise he gave the operator the ability to revive isn’t that what his whole sacrifice was about

[fast dew]

Do you know exactly what adis did?

It seemed closer to what happens when you surge a warframe's power systems

[pale cedar]

Adis never said

Here you take my healing ability

Operator had it before Adis

[near locust]

I have a theory

[vagrant zephyr]

Why do we only get the ability to revive in that scene after he does his thing then

[fast dew]

Because we didn't die in previous events

[near locust]

when the player is on a mission, Umbra and Ordis do intimate things together

[vagrant zephyr]

Yeah exactly

[pale cedar]

Adis healed us allowing us to use our existing healing ability

[fast dew]

Shat

WHAT.

Throwing everything into the pile and burning it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[pale cedar]

There’s literally a school that has a healing ability that all Tenno can use

So, no Adis didn’t give us that ability

[vagrant zephyr]

So did adis just like hold x on us then

[fast dew]

Gave us the energy to do it

[pale cedar]

Adis healed us after we died allowing us to activate our revive thing

[fast dew]

Not the ability to it

Just. The energy to activate the ability

[pale cedar]

Dying is draining

[vagrant zephyr]

That lowkey makes whatever adis day wayyy less cool then

[fast dew]

I mean

We're still fused with a sentient

[vagrant zephyr]

Adis giving us the equivalent of one monster energy before promptly dying

[pale cedar]

It drained Adis even doing it

[fast dew]

You're gonna lose your mind once you learn what wally is beaten by

[vagrant zephyr]

Monster energy

[pale cedar]

Emotional damage

[fast dew]

Love, its deadass love

[vagrant zephyr]

Yeag ik

[fast dew]

Nothing cool, just love

[vagrant zephyr]

that was like the whole point of whispers wasn’t it

[pale cedar]

And 1999

[vagrant zephyr]

yeap

[pale cedar]

Wally amped himself up for Whispers and 1999 and still lost

Ballas made him more powerful

[tall echo]

(maybe)

[radiant pier]

we're kinda dumb

4 minutes

4 minutes before we realized there was a hole

[pale cedar]

What happens if you jump in?

[radiant pier]

it's where the cache key codes were

they had the top marked for like a solid 3 minutes

they all gave up

and then I realized there was a hole....

[zenith ore]

Were you this gifted since you were a kid?

[radiant pier]

imma stab u

[trim tree]

Is there supposed to be a KIM convo after all 21 of Roathe's trauma logs? Do I need to go talk to him?

[rigid compass]

My high school did have 4000 kids so -_-

[fast dew]

What in the shit

[narrow pendant]

losing it over internal frame names

hello powersuits/infestation

was mainly hunting for my actual dmg value after hitting multiple negative numbers :3

such a way with words..

[fast dew]

[dark compass]

It's so devourver

[fast dew]

Not right after, but you shoudlve gotten a honoria

[trim tree]

I did get the honoria, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a new convo after. Since his KIM is not showing anathema anymore, I assume I'll get another message tomorrow?

[narrow pendant]

devourer has to be grendel

[fast dew]

You should!

[narrow pendant]

would be hilarious if the logs generate a wally saying goodbye quote at the end

[old wharf]

Is Vay hek dead?

[woven coyote]

Nope

He escapes in his fight, and since then he has never been in vulnerable place

[ashen pulsar]

he wouldn’t die to a tenno maggot

https://tenor.com/view/haha-ha-apollonair-warframe-gif-5224832

[ocean geyser]

Randomly thinking about how fire it would be if Vay Hek was present during the Cetus invasion segment of NW
And I don’t mean acting as mission control, i mean down there in his big robot suit

[twin wigeon]

no

hes a councilor and is a rank higher than vor iirc

[woven coyote]

Honestly not sure if he really would be higher than vor

The queens and tengus kicked him into a pit of ghouls just for the laughs after all

[twin wigeon]

they just silly gooses 👅

[pale cedar]

He’s still a higher rank than Vor

Vor had a military rank while Vay Heck has a political rank

He just has a bad higher ranking boss

[narrow pendant]

mods kick him into the ghoulpit

[woven coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-uno-reverse-gif-17446620327982597857

[narrow pendant]

mods make that guy a lich

[pale cedar]

Mods erase him from the timeline

[narrow pendant]

mods turn him into a cephalon

[fast dew]

Mods, Necralize him

[twin wigeon]

Mods, threaten him with a bad time

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/sans-badtime-intensifies-undertale-throw-frisk-gif-15901870

[rigid compass]

2 ranks higher at least

vor is a captain after he lost his prize

now that i think about it how low is captain?

like does bro just command a single galleon now

he mustve gone from commanding a fleet to just one galleon lol no wonder hes so mad

only grineer to actually get close to killing us

[pale cedar]

I don’t think he cared about the rank

He cared more about the order he was given

[rigid compass]

i think he cares more about his keys

"THE JANUS KEY IS NOT YOURS"

[pale cedar]

https://youtu.be/Uqy441sjlRI?si=jhsSRufQjGHN8m-D

[rigid compass]

does corrupted vor work for his keys or the queen?

i could not hear any of that

[pale cedar]

Queens: "We tire of failure. Who put their faith in you, Admiral?"
Captain Vor: "You did! I have a life debt..."
Queens: "To repay in Tenno blood!"
Captain Vor: "I understand..."
Queens: "Do not awaken the vipers! Do not study them! Crush these eggs BEFORE they hatch! This, we command!"
Captain Vor: "My Queens... klos aki (this time)-"
Queens: "Take the rail to Pluto! Boril is in command now, Captain Vor."

[pale cedar]

Key took him to the Void where he was conscripted into the Corrupted

[rigid compass]

bum ah queen then decided to go lure the tenno to them to continuity instead of being satisfied with her chopped grineer body and paid for it

[rigid compass]

YOU CAN NOT HAVE THE YANUS KEY

[pale cedar]

They didn’t want Vor to find out so they could have Operator all for themselves

[rigid compass]

0 braincells though

[pale cedar]

Grineer do be dumb

[rigid compass]

orokin*

[pale cedar]

Orokin in Grineer bodies

[rigid compass]

why did they take the queens as their leader again?

[pale cedar]

They saw the similarity

[rigid compass]

?

[woven coyote]

Queens were(are?) Twins

Which caused them to be outcast by the orokin since twins=clones and clones=slaves

[pale cedar]

The copies could see it
They yearned for it too
If the twins could do it
Perhaps they could too

#12 -
The twins had attained
Something more than a whole
A true understanding
Of each other soul

#13 -
The copies became believers
One by one bowed to the twins
And led forth by their new masters
They ravaged the colonies

#14 -
Now a power to follow
Not a force to be fought
From the ashes of war
The Twin Queens were wrought

[woven coyote]

But during the colapse cause the grineer to look up to the queens

[pale cedar]

They saw two sisters that looked exactly the same who cared for each other and was like if they can do that we can also do that so then decided to follow the Queens

It’s also why Grineer have a sibling like bond

[rigid compass]

never occured to me that they identical twins. probably cause they dont really act like twins and more like a older sister younger sister with how worm queen is a lot more childish and whatever the other ones name is is more mature

[pale cedar]

Worm is in a younger clone body is all which is why she didn’t yet need to swap bodies

[woven coyote]

Tbf they spent however long using grineer bodies so that surely had an effect on their psyche

[rigid compass]

Yes not that that matters to their relationship dynamic

[fast dew]

There's also the whole. Lorists being twins and those being seen as. Probably slaves too

[tall echo]

well not seen as slaves, just as equal to slaves

it's still bad but like. .5% less bad

[slate hill]

So whats the deal with Orion and Sirius ? Are they going to help us or do they end up being controlled by the man in the wall too like so many others ?

I have this rotten feeling everyone we know just seems to end up under the control of this entity and it's just playing this rigged game to win for funsies while the few of us that refuse to join it are being forced into a long game till we get exhausted .

[pale cedar]

Nothing that we have seen implies it will have anything to do with Wally

[slate hill]

So what are we working with ?

[pale cedar]

Our former "Unannounced 2026 Update" has been revealed as Jade Shadows: Constellations, a continuation of 2024's Jade Shadows featuring a new Quest that will once again put you in control of the Stalker as he navigates the complexities of fatherhood.

[woven coyote]

Not enough info is what we are working with

[slate hill]

game's taking too long and I doubt I am going to be around long enough with the unstable conditions I am forced to live in ... (Berserk meets Russia vs Ukraine) kind of horrible nonsense .

keeping it together for the sake of my own sanity .

[woven coyote]

Sorry but earliest we get any sort of workable info is the may devstream

[celest needle]

complexities of fatherhood.

[woven coyote]

Warframe level "my kids broke the neighbours window"

[dire mountain]

We have some info but only about characterization nothing about what or why

[slate hill]

That looks like a melted Stalker Dad ... Responsible Stalker ? ... Space Ninjas of Dad ? , The last of Us Space Ninjas

[rigid compass]

They came to aura farm. They will aura farm. We will be mogged. Then they will aura farm during their exit.

[rigid compass]

Dw he gonna give em dat belt

[slate hill]

and we have not even reached the level to take on literal void demons , the likes of which we only got pics of ...

Btw this is what happens if people do not drink and turn into kuva ... it's twisted .

Now I know why roathe was scared for his life ... Guy was not prepared for that orokin L

[fast dew]

Thats

Wally

We see wally regularly

[dire mountain]

Jesse what are you talking about

[fast dew]

Like

Randomly pops up to spook you for the shits and giggles

We also have his finger, multiple of them

He also koolaid man's out of the void at the end of the new war, in that exact form

[slate hill]

Nah wally , the vitruvian man was just a representation given to some part of the void . Those are the trash mobs it can create and send our way but by game logic , it would be a mini-boss for us .

[fast dew]

Wh

No thats

Thats still wally

The big wall guy is wally

The closest thing we have to a true form for him

[pale cedar]

A literal Man in a Wall

[dire mountain]

Literally missing a finger too

[rigid compass]

Is it not one

[dire mountain]

Legit just like the fellow in the architecture

[slate hill]

yeah quntum entanglement and all that but think from a different view point ... like pagans pretending to be their deity ? or things made somewhat in it's image ?

Wally has no mouth and he speaks

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-wally-wall-warframe-wally-slay-gif-17731710966554021720

[slate hill]

never shuts up , But these things have a mouth full of sharp teeth to eat ?

[pale cedar]

I see a mouth

[dire mountain]

The missing finger is so funny

[fast dew]

Woe

[fast dew]

Oh my god I didn't even realise it

[rigid compass]

😭

[fast dew]

"Have" as in the second one in the zariman + multiple fingers were cut off

[pale cedar]

We have replicas

[woven coyote]

What? All forms he has shown have had a mouth

[rigid compass]

Why he only show one

[fast dew]

Yeah + canonically every railjack has one

[fast dew]

Idk, cus he can

[rigid compass]

They dont

[fast dew]

They. Do

[rigid compass]

Lol

[fast dew]

They need it for void jumps

[slate hill]

but none of his mouth open to eat people , Wally never eats people , he corrupts and influences them , These things they consume , that's the whole point of having a 'Maw' not a mouth .

[fast dew]

Railjacks need. The ability to void jump

[rigid compass]

They dont have originals

[fast dew]

Where did I say they have the originals

[pale cedar]

Still has a finger

[rigid compass]

U implied it

[fast dew]

Brother is just hallucinating that shit

[slate hill]

you mean like limbo ?

[rigid compass]

Says u

[fast dew]

He can riftwalk, not void jump

[woven coyote]

What? None of that makes sense

[rigid compass]

Thomas takes implications from anything and he talking about me

[slate hill]

eh I cant convince you anymore .

[fast dew]

This was in reference to nemesis saying we have replicas

[pale cedar]

Worm didn’t read the previous message it was connected to

[fast dew]

As in. Yeah + rjs canonically have. Other replicas

[slate hill]

dude warframe's whole gimmick is to see things from different angles that connects them back to one big future plot , Seeing it as any less doesnt get you anywhere .

[fast dew]

Wh

[rigid compass]

Lol

[woven coyote]

What in the uncoherent ramblings

[slate hill]

unless you dont play the game to figure out the mystery behind the plot ??

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[woven coyote]

I'm sorry but none of what you said has had any coherency

[rigid compass]

If im talking about ogs why he gonna yap about replicas. If he responds without stating its replicas then hes implying its ogs

[fast dew]

Im here trying to decipher why Albrecht doesn't have Father's token in the netracells but has Grandmother's in there, I have more pressing things

[slate hill]

You're one of those 'Pics of it never happened' type ? Not big on connecting the dots ?

[woven coyote]

This about whatever wolf is saying btw

[slate hill]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[fast dew]

No, dude, just because I didn't reply to it doesn't mean its not meant for nemesis

[pale cedar]

Thomas was adding extra detail to me saying the fingers are replicas implying it was about replicas not ogs

[rigid compass]

U was talking to me

[woven coyote]

The issue is none of what you said has any connection

It is just dots at random

[fast dew]

No i wasn't, not directly

[trim tree]

Kimulacrum is awful and I can't decipher any of it. Should I tell Roathe I won't reset or go along with it?

[slate hill]

yeah I got too caught up in that dude , my apologies .

I went full Warhammer 40k
We dont go full 40k ...

[fast dew]

Kimulacrum is pretty evil with the triad, but tell him you wont iirc

[woven coyote]

We really need to reset this chat
Just what is even going on anymore lol

[fast dew]

No clue

[fast dew]

So anyways gimmie yalls ideas on why

[rigid compass]

Yeah nvm u responding to him right after replying to me though

[fast dew]

I like to think Albrecht just didn't vibe with Petros

[rigid compass]

Mb thinking that for me 🙄

[slate hill]

Game's not progressing fast enough , Im worried I might not live long enough to enjoy ALL the future plot and fear for my life so trying to distract myself with ... All of this .

[fast dew]

"Ew. An engineer" ykim

[slate hill]

That's me , What about you guys ?

[rigid compass]

Tau 2036

[fast dew]

The game is progressing as fast as it can without the loss of quality, im sorry you are at risk, but thats genuinely as fast as they can go

[rigid compass]

Ur on ur own unc

[fast dew]

Other game series wait years

[slate hill]

I think it's not ... not after what I've been through ...

[woven coyote]

Except he relied on his son in law for his defences

[rigid compass]

Quality is arguable but going faster would def decrease it

[slate hill]

tale old as time , and you mean kid .

[limber hull]

Wally's defeat 2080

[fast dew]

I mean yeah maybe it was a marriage gift

Cuz i get not having Son's token, after what he did