lore-discussion

[rigid compass]

But when we talking about endings u could just use the official name

Ive dont hear anyone call it that

Yall genuinely argueing with me about some small thing we're im most likely correct considering the descriptions you gave me of the hex finale

[stiff fable]

Nah

[fast dew]

The pure audacity to tell the whole group who actually pays attention to the lore wrong is wild

[ashen pulsar]

are we talking about hk or warframe im confused

[fast dew]

Both

[fast dew]

You're better off to go to the community discord, you're gonna be better received there, from experience

[pale cedar]

Join both

What I did

More lore topics is always fun

[celest needle]

How smart is the average corpus grunt

[pale cedar]

Not very

[tall echo]

about 4

[pale cedar]

Management isn’t much smarter either though

Money doesn’t = smart

[strange plinth]

what the hell did i miss

[pale cedar]

Nothing

[ashen pulsar]

worm ragebaiting I think

for the 91835th time

[pale cedar]

That is a lot of times

[tall echo]

worm is truly a master of
wait
rephrase.

[pale cedar]

Master of none

[ashen pulsar]

baitmaster

[fast dew]

Me being 2 seconds from crashing out in either Nemesis' or Nuke's dms

Or both

They both frequently see it

[celest needle]

Worm and it's effects

[pale cedar]

Worm spreads like a worm

[tall echo]

yay, I'm safe :D

[pale cedar]

Not shocking

My only DM with Scrap was saying I’d unplug him

[zenith ore]

How does a little chunk of metal become a a big badass chunk of metal

I'm talking about orion and Sirius

[celest needle]

Growth

[zenith ore]

[tall echo]

infestation isn't metal

[strange plinth]

metallic attributes but its all still infestation in there

[tall echo]

warframes are infestation

[pale cedar]

Ballas saying Sword steel wasn’t literal

[zenith ore]

Ik but isn't there metal as well? Is it all hardened parts of infestation?

[strange plinth]

any other weirdness can probably be attributed to it being a warframe that was born rather than transformed or built

[celest needle]

And also Warframes are still humans

[pale cedar]

It’s just hard infestation

[zenith ore]

Ah

[pale cedar]

Not actually sword steel

[zenith ore]

Kinda

They've been through "sum" changes

[celest needle]

At the base still human

[zenith ore]

[ashen pulsar]

ehhhhh

[pale cedar]

Not ehh

They are

[rigid compass]

First majority doesnt mean right if u think that ur wrong.
Secondly my point is about what a true ending is. While the game might call hex finale a true ending the way you've described it makes it seem to not be what I would consider a true ending. Ill make a image of what I think it is and send it so u can see.
Third, in my experience yall say the wiki and loretubers are bad because of not saying what is and isnt conjecture but a lot of answers ive been given here are conjecture yet yall dont say or acknowledge it and simply take it as fact because thats how you've interpreted the sources.
Fourth, if im better received in the community discord whats to say they arent right and ur wrong

[strange plinth]

ik its been a second but this is still killing me-

[ashen pulsar]

they look and function differently on both the inside and the outside

[pale cedar]

They still have vital organs

They still bleed

They still can die

They still have emotions

[ashen pulsar]

so do other animals?

they're close to humans, but they're not quite

[fast dew]

Hahah. Go on, go to that server then, id recommend it. I actually quite like the lore part of the server

[pale cedar]

They’re still human which is what the game still tries telling you

[celest needle]

They're also still humanoid

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[rigid compass]

They could maybe be classified as a subspecies but considering the fact they cant reproduce they would likely be considered something else or just mutated humans.

[strange plinth]

kinda what the sacrifice was about

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[celest needle]

Was it not about a sacrifice ?

Same as the new war and it's new war

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/poopyblud67-clock-strikes-12-discord-reddit-4chan-gif-3832709242167750857

How Thomas felt writing hahah

[strange plinth]

quest can be about multiple things
the sacrifice in the sacrifice could be several different sacrifices, as well

[rigid compass]

Im sorry but did u legit write that out 😭

[fast dew]

No im genuine

[ashen pulsar]

you can say that in spirit they're still human, but biologically I think they aren't quite.

[fast dew]

You'd get along with Voh in particular.

[rigid compass]

Thats even worse

[fast dew]

Im trying to connect you to like minded individuals

[pale cedar]

Biologically they are human

They still have human things

[ashen pulsar]

their organs are fused together

they have a lot of traces of human

[pale cedar]

They still are human

Alad was infested once
He was indeed still human

The family are Infested
They are still human

Warframes are infested
They are still human

Until a human loses every part that made them human they are still human

[zenith ore]

Technically the answer is yesn't

[pale cedar]

Warframes answer is yes

Multiple quests have been hammering that point home

[celest needle]

Is prime trading human organ trafficking

[zenith ore]

Have you ever watched Evangelion?

[pale cedar]

That’s certainly a way to look at it

[zenith ore]

Genius

[pale cedar]

Don’t think I have

[stiff fable]

Warframes honestly seem more like a transhumanism thing to me

[zenith ore]

Dang, I would've given you an example

[pale cedar]

Give it anyway lol

[ocean geyser]

Warframe biology sure is funky

It even confused Alad

[stiff fable]

there's humanity to them but they've lost even more than they understand

that's why the protos feel like such a big deal to me

[celest needle]

||Evangelions (the mechs) are angels (aliens) infused with human souls and are people.||

[zenith ore]

It's a peak anime I might spoil it if I gave it away

[zenith ore]

That's the short of it

[ocean geyser]

Brings up the question on how the Neuroptics, Chassis and Systems work though

[stiff fable]

That's also why Gara ends up being such a huge deal, because she volunteers after knowing the whole, entire cost

[ocean geyser]

Like
I remember someone theorizing that they’re essentially a frameork for the Helminth to pump biomass into or something

[pale cedar]

Brain

Heart

Infested things

[zenith ore]

The infestation is still growing. Eleonor might be a great example at the end of the hex

[stiff fable]

yeah, they have a better balance but it's not permanent

it will tip over eventually

[zenith ore]

Indeed. Does that include the xx99 BTW? Never thought of it

[celest needle]

True

And pretty short

Like only 12 episodes and one movie

[ocean geyser]

It’s that short??

Are you sure????????????

[zenith ore]

@fast dew you think albrecht made some special serum for them to keep them stable or are they also trapped in a place with no time?

[stiff fable]

Yeah, all of them

[ocean geyser]

They’ve got time shenanigans yeah

[zenith ore]

Wasn't it 4 movies? But that's the rework ones

[celest needle]

26 episodes actually but the last 2 are mucking something

[rigid compass]

applaud my supreme paint skills

[stiff fable]

The 1999 post mission email mentions that the Hex's infestation are no longer progressing

[zenith ore]

Hmm

[rigid compass]

so they still in a loop?

or what?

[stiff fable]

but that's mostly to handwave "eternal timeloop" with "lethal infestation"

[zenith ore]

Eleanor? Well it isn't growing it's already overgrown

[zenith ore]

Time loop yuh

[stiff fable]

The loop isn't about stopping the bomb

[celest needle]

EoE is end of the original and the 4 rebuilds are retellings of it with some changes

[rigid compass]

meh basically just infinite good loop now ig

[ashen pulsar]

Is crafting a frame the same as making a human then

[ocean geyser]

Arthur literally has an email about this t

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[rigid compass]

doesnt really matter to my point though

[ocean geyser]

And Temporal Archimedia exists to keep the loop stable

[zenith ore]

No loop is a good loop especially where you have to fight techrot for living 💔

[stiff fable]

As I already told you, it's about stopping Wally from changing the ending

[pale cedar]

It’s not as bad as Orokin doing it but it is still doing that

[stiff fable]

some minor changes

[zenith ore]

Hmmm

[rigid compass]

reading comprehension test: what the hell is my point?

[fast dew]

The triad?

We reset their infestation, along with Albrecht's prolonged transformation version of the helminth

[stiff fable]

meanwhile the 2.22 -> 3.33 gap

(note: I love Rebuild)

[rigid compass]

😭

[zenith ore]

We? What's there that I don't know about

[ashen pulsar]

what part of the frame is uniquely human?

[stiff fable]

fam you've been ragebaiting so long that I genuinely don't think you have one

[ocean geyser]

We as in the players

[celest needle]

Yeah just some changes to the main story overll the same

[zenith ore]

Yeah ik

[fast dew]

This only applies for the triad, but we reset the infestation. As in the drifter

[rigid compass]

this is why u think im ragebaiting cause u dont even know the point im tryna make

[stiff fable]

If you have one beyond WELL AKSHUALLY I'd love to see it

[fast dew]

We use it to wipe their minds

Over. An actual loop

[pale cedar]

Idle animations
The fact it stands up in TSD
It bleeds

[zenith ore]

Ahh

[rigid compass]

my point is hex finale, according to what i know, would be misleading to call it a "true ending"

[ashen pulsar]

in what world are any of these uniquely human traits

[stiff fable]

You would be factually incorrect

Which is fine, but

[rigid compass]

tell me what is a true ending then

[stiff fable]

"The ending the writer says is the true ending"

It's actually that easy 😂

[zenith ore]

My god you're a natural

[rigid compass]

i found ur WELL AKSHUALLY

i can call a cat a dog that doesnt mean its a dog

[pale cedar]

Didn’t ever say “uniquely human traits” they’re still traits of the human Infested humans

[rigid compass]

wheres our t posing idle animation DE?

[tall echo]

difference being that you don't write reality

[rigid compass]

sonion no

[zenith ore]

The base is human filled with literal infestation. Think of the human body as a platform and the infestation is the actual building. Is this what you mean?

[rigid compass]

did yall even read what i sent 😭
i put so much effort into it too

[ashen pulsar]

my argument is not that warframes are not living or anything. I just think they aren’t biologically humans, since they literally have different biology to humans

[pale cedar]

They have a mix of both

[rigid compass]

easiest way just use the reproduction capability of species. warframes cant have kids with humans thus not human

😔

[ashen pulsar]

that’s a good example

[rigid compass]

lol no we should consider DNA

[pale cedar]

Warframes still have biological features

[zenith ore]

My idea is being ignored

[pale cedar]

So it’s not that they aren’t human it’s that they aren’t visibly human

[rigid compass]

considering warframes merge with infestation and infestation has its own DNA the humans DNA is likely very much altered to the point u cant really call it human

[pale cedar]

Even with that that they still do have human features

[ashen pulsar]

I agree but I think that it means they aren’t human anymore

[stiff fable]

This is why I said that Warframes are transhuman

[pale cedar]

Its a mix of both

[cosmic badge]

So am I wrong to call warframes biomechanical?

[rigid compass]

lots of fictional aliens have human features but are def not human

[zenith ore]

And I can agree with this

[rigid compass]

they biomechanical yeah

[pale cedar]

Not denying that

[stiff fable]

They have mechanical parts, by definition they're biomechanical

[rigid compass]

yeah so if they dna is changed they not human simple as that

[cosmic badge]

Neat I can say im right to my friend who said I was wrong

[rigid compass]

isnt biomechanical more like bio stuff that works like machines

like the game scorn ( i dont got other examples) where like bio stuff is used in place of hydraulics

something like that

[ashen pulsar]

I think warframes are close to humans, I just think they’ve changed enough that they aren’t actually human. they look different, they function differently, and they share very few of the same structures, if any

[pale cedar]

It’s a mix of both not strictly 1

[stiff fable]

It's the study of biological mechanics, technically

[rigid compass]

if their dna is different enough they aint humans

[ashen pulsar]

if it doesn’t look like a duck…

[pale cedar]

Unless the dna is 100% changed then they still are

[stiff fable]

eg how bodies (plant and animal) handle internal friction, distrubute energy, fluid mechanics within the body etc etc

[pale cedar]

And we’re never told how their dna is affected

[zenith ore]

@pale cedar this is an Evangelion, or Eva. It's like what pc said. Human mixed with aliens, BTW these are like as big as a small mountain. Would you consider it a human still?

[ashen pulsar]

dude the dna’s never gonna be changed anywhere near that much

[rigid compass]

we share 70% of our dna with bananas son they dont need to change 100%

[twin wigeon]

we share 90% of our genes with rats

[ashen pulsar]

if that much DNA was changed, it wouldn’t be living anymore

[stiff fable]

I usually use pigs, the shared DNA is like 98%

[twin wigeon]

makes sense

[stiff fable]

One of the reasons they consider using pigs to clone human organs

[pale cedar]

They’re still human and the game has been directly showing that to us

[stiff fable]

The more you know 🌠

[ashen pulsar]

human in spirit.

[stiff fable]

being totally honest, Warframes have probably less human DNA than pigs

[pale cedar]

There’s more than 2 quests that showed they’re still human

[ashen pulsar]

in spirit

not biologically

[stiff fable]

And that's why I made a distinction between "humanity" and "human"

Warframes still have their humanity, meaning their ability to emphathize and understand the emotions of others

This is a trait the Orokin straight up didn't have

[pale cedar]

Warframes still biologically need air and can bleed out showing they still have biological body parts

[tall echo]

humanity you say

https://tenor.com/view/aldia-scholar-of-the-first-sin-aldia-quote-dark-souls-dark-souls2-gif-26594817

[ashen pulsar]

chickens do too

[stiff fable]

see I thought you were going a different direction with that

https://klipy.com/gifs/dio-dio-part1--k01KQFYTF4PQB69Y7X88VY0HGJP

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-urge-resisting-jojo-reference-gif-24212399

[tall echo]

nah I'll take any opportunity to reference the best dark souls game

[pale cedar]

What does a chicken have to do with it

Warframes aren’t animals

[ashen pulsar]

…why not

[stiff fable]

If Warframes aren't animals then they're not human!

note this is a bad argument do not pick this up

[rigid compass]

Animal frames when?

https://tenor.com/view/rise-of-the-beasts-apelinq-flashback-scourge-gif-14686960090464785801

[stiff fable]

1999, actually

[rigid compass]

Who?

[stiff fable]

Legacytes

[ashen pulsar]

not exactly, but my point is that just cuz warframes do things that humans do doesn’t mean those things are human

[rigid compass]

Not frames

[stiff fable]

That's just it

The 1999 infestation is trying to copy Warframes by starting with gorillas as a base

They even straight up have Warframe powers

[pale cedar]

We have animal themed frames but never an animal turned into a frame

[tall echo]

legacytes took yareli's aquablades and made them actually lethal

[rigid compass]

Is there a lore reason why commandeered primes are built like Shaq?

[stiff fable]

No

[tall echo]

visibility

[rigid compass]

Another L for the og bum

[stiff fable]

Just so they can be recognized on Perita battlefields

[tall echo]

doesn't help much tho

[normal mountain]

Helminth Charger almost qualifies imo

[rigid compass]

It dont its basically normal infested but tamed

[ashen pulsar]

albrecht when he realizes he can make pavlov’s tenno by making them use dogframe

[rigid compass]

Actually maybe ig

[stiff fable]

huh now I wonder if that's how they made Venari

[stiff fable]

just took a bunch of Khora's Helminth serum and injected it into a cat

[tall echo]

so
helminth

[rigid compass]

If we assume warframes are just helminth strained humans there could be helminth strained animals.

[normal mountain]

Maybe
But Kavats have a natural immunity to Infestation
modern Kavats, anyways

[rigid compass]

Which is helminth charger

Or not? Cause warframe require more design too I think

But u could do it

[tall echo]

there is the distinction that frames have more deliberate designing behind them

[stiff fable]

right, but the Helminth was engineered to not spread the infestation, maybe the thing that made Khora a viable Warframe in the first place managed to get around the kavat immunity too?

[rigid compass]

DIGITAL EXTREMES TIME TRAVEL BACK TO THE CRETACEOUS PERIOD AND LET US FIGHT INFESTED REX AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[stiff fable]

This is of course a damaged argument since Khora wasn't originally going to be the hunter themed Warframe

[twin wigeon]

Carnis Rex

[normal mountain]

Or maybe Khora and Venari are the reason modern Kavats have an Infested immunity
Idk

Would be fun to ask about

[twin wigeon]

cats clean themselves

[stiff fable]

They just couldn't make "trap spider" work properly so they gave her the pet from another frame

[rigid compass]

So do a million other animals

[rigid compass]

YOOOOOOOOOOOO

WE NEED AN ANT FRAME
THEN WE'LL LARP AS BERU

[normal mountain]

That, and it apparently triggered horrible arachnophobia

[dire mountain]

I want a dinosaur warframe

Autumn 2026 trust

[stiff fable]

that really doesn't surprise me, I know another player who started to spiral while studying Khora's headpiece for some fanart

[rigid compass]

Nah bro we get an ant frame and larp as beru with nekros on the team

[rigid compass]

Average warframe fans

[stiff fable]

Apparently for some people it's distressingly organic and spiderlike when it's not blurring at 200km/s

[rigid compass]

All my good jokes - goatdis

[tall echo]

brother of sheepdat

[hearty glacier]

How do you pronounce Voruna 🫩🫩

[stiff fable]

Zvoruna

That'd be the most accurate to the slavic pronunciation of her name, at least

In English it's pronounced like it's written. "Vo Ru Na"

[tall echo]

for me the -una is silent
Look at them. They come to this place when they know they are not pure.

[hearty glacier]

Ah I see

[hearty glacier]

What’s the second part for 💔

[pale cedar]

Why did Vor team up with Runa?

[tall echo]

really

[hearty glacier]

Una* is unnecessary

[stiff fable]

https://youtu.be/bU-yP78fJFM&t=31

They should have focused on making Leverians for frames with non-standard names lol

[pale cedar]

Drusus shouldn’t have sold his data to Parvos

[hearty glacier]

VOR ROONA?

[hearty glacier]

What’s she doing to that innocent man

[stiff fable]

repeating myself from earlier, but:

"Rifter, Ri'd rill him for ree!"```

Voruna-doo and Drifter too :V

[hearty glacier]

Aw he’ll naw bro made shaggy

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/tien-cut-off-gif-23220223

[stiff fable]

hahahaha

[tall echo]

autocorrect?

[hearty glacier]

Come on captain we gotta be taken seriously as switch players. We need to be as edgy as possible

[hearty glacier]

Yea sorry💔

[stiff fable]

autocorrupt

[tall echo]

ye

[stiff fable]

Autocorrupted

[hearty glacier]

One day, switch will be superior to PC

[celest needle]

?????

What did I do?

[pale cedar]

Willing to die on that hill?

[stiff fable]

If it makes you feel any better, Switch is the one console that never let a relay blow up

unlike the lazy PC players who straight up lost half of theirs

[tall echo]

didn't switch only get access to wf after DE stopped allowing them to blow up

[hearty glacier]

I’m willing to die on every single one of them + ant hills

[stiff fable]

Minor issue

though, in perfect seriousness, I'm not entirely sure when they flipped the switch (heh) to stop letting it happen

[hearty glacier]

Sorry Switch-91 isn’t here, but they are more powerful than you

[pale cedar]

Ended 2015

Switch Warframe release was 2018

So Switch players didn’t get a chance to be lazy

[hearty glacier]

Damn I thought switch release was like after 2020

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DSGVendorBrowseIdleE0890AspirantZorba_en.ogg?2a4e3

"The day Vesper Relay died... she must have been so scared. I mean no disrespect, Tenno, but I wish more of you had fought against Vay Hek that day."

[pale cedar]

Who was scared?

[stiff fable]

damn, I honestly wish it wasn't so easy to skip to the end of the grind, some of his early lines are really good

"The Arbiters know well that the Tenno are not their Warframes! You are noble. They are beasts."

[stiff fable]

Follie

[dusk temple]

prolly Follie

[pale cedar]

Follie honestly should’ve just blinded the ships with ink

[stiff fable]

"One hunts another, round and around, forever. I thought it was a nightmare, but it was only ever meant to be a game."

Follie's Hunt is her playing tag

Warframe style

[tall echo]

huh

[pale cedar]

What are Arbiters even looking for if they already know

[tall echo]

truth

[pale cedar]

But they got the truth

[stiff fable]

Zorba's the one looking

[pale cedar]

Zorba is slow

[stiff fable]

The Arbiters as a whole are waiting for the Tenno to get the whole picture back

"I wanted Kozai to be a hero. I wanted Follie to be a monster. But the Truth does not care about what we want, does it?" ```

[tall echo]

the arbiters "refuse the tenno as warrior philosophy" or something

[stiff fable]

" "And it is written: the Tenno shall in time rule in place of the Orokin, but despite their great honour they shall be like unto youths, immature and driven by intemperate passions. Such princelings shall have sore need of seasoned adults to mediate between them. Be ye then Arbiters, bound by the covenant of Hexis." "

man we really needed an Arbiters quest between Apostasy and New War

"If the Lotus had ever failed you, if her nature ever betrayed her, we Arbiters would have stood ready to guide you."

[pale cedar]

She failed us once due to Ballas

[stiff fable]

yeah exactly

Would have been cool to have a quest where they did that

[pale cedar]

At least we got Loid doing a version of that

[stiff fable]

Follie unlocks after Chains, this line is supposed to be a teaser for the New War arc

[strange plinth]

wonder if that's why the line is there

[stiff fable]

that's my guess

[pale cedar]

I think the issue with DE not making it a quest and the poor reception to the update I feel many won’t ever hear these lines

[stiff fable]

It's slightly worse than that, because half of the really good voicelines are only available at certain atramentum thresholds

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

So if you grind Follie out without sitting in the pity store every 200 or so, you'll miss the chance to hear them at all

[strange plinth]

most of the 'we have an old connection' lines play by default, at least

though if they get locked out at higher 'ranks', that'd suck

[stiff fable]

But not the best one: "And the voice cried out in pride, saying, 'who are you mites, that you presume to judge an Executor?' But the company of Hexis answered and said, 'we are akin to those millions you have oppressed, and before tomorrow dawns, we shall see justice done.'"

Availability: 0-1 letters

letter 2 unlocks at 150

or 2-3 runs in

[restive river]

That goes so hard ong

Who do you think the executor is?

[tall echo]

sounds like tuvul

[strange plinth]

possibly
though that'd mean they failed

[stiff fable]

Wouldn't surprise me yeah

[zenith quail]

Hi, was Margulis Orokin? She didn't have blue skin, didn't have an overly long arm, and the metallic accents on her outfit weren't Orokin gold.

[fleet furnace]

she was an archimedean, where that sits in the heirarchy i cant remember

[tall echo]

margulis wasn't an orokin

[pale cedar]

We’re never given a hierarchy past the Orokin ranks we know of

[stiff fable]

Orokin scientist caste. Very high up, ultimately "government employed PhD"

[pale cedar]

Orokin used to kill Archimedians if they didn’t perform well enough

[restive river]

No, she was an Archimedean, a scientist

[pale cedar]

She could’ve became Orokin if she got selected or married Ballas

The bad timeline

[restive river]

He had every chance to save her lol

[pale cedar]

He blames us for his choice

[zenith quail]

So Orokin is like a rank? Are they biologically the same as the people on Cetus?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[fleet furnace]

orokin society was caste based, so certain people got freedom and luxories others didnt

[stiff fable]

Orokin was the name of their caste/rank as well as the name of their empire

[twin wigeon]

Orokin were nobles in the current hierarchy but the Seven were like barons or the second highest rank

[tall echo]

non-orokin nobility also existed

[stiff fable]

The executors specifically were the highest Orokin judges

[twin wigeon]

Or presumably second highest we don’t know too much abt the Emperors

[pale cedar]

Can’t we create soft canon where we were upper class?

[fleet furnace]

think theres one rank above executor, but it seems for all intents and purposes the executors were the top of the top

[pale cedar]

Emperor

Emperors did pretty much nothing before dying

[stiff fable]

The emperors basically didn't do anything

[twin wigeon]

Ok sweet so they hardly existed

[dire mountain]

Emperors were kinda like the British royalty these days

[twin wigeon]

lol

[dire mountain]

They exist they just don't really do anything

[pale cedar]

Emperors gave a task to the Parliament of Executors

[stiff fable]

They were effectively figureheads, though if they'd ever wanted to do anything they did apparently have the ultimate power

[sinful prawn]

Hii

[stiff fable]

But they didn't so the Seven ran everything

[twin wigeon]

Meanwhile the Seven had loops and laws to follow and regulate

The emperors could do what they wanted, they just didn’t

And if they did do smth, the knowledge of that action is heavily redacted or smth

[pale cedar]

The one notable thing they did do was die

[twin wigeon]

Ironically

You’d think with all that power they’d just be immortal

[tall echo]

emperors probably the reason why there's no info left on cyte 09

[twin wigeon]

Like private executions?

Political execution

[stiff fable]

not directly, but yes

Cyte was the wetwork frame

You need someone secretly assassinated, but everyone totally knows you did it because your name was carved into the body? Ash.

[rigid compass]

They aura farmed

[stiff fable]

You need someone actually eliminated in total secrecy that spawns a million conspiracy theories but never any answers, Cyte

[tall echo]

I mean
we don't know how directly

[tall echo]

this is reflected in gameplay by cyte's ability to kill enemies before they're even loaded in

[restive river]

They are 100% human
They’re essentially a class of people that are the 1% of the 1%, immortal through continuity and egos twice the size of how long they’ve lived

[pale cedar]

They lost their aura and died

[fleet furnace]

still think thats kinda funny, the sci fi game has no aliens but the fantasy game does

[pale cedar]

It was only an early guideline

They created alien flowers

[tall echo]

had to put the aliens somewhere

[twin wigeon]

Making subservience and slavery something that is entirely inorganic

[fleet furnace]

i mean, the xenoflora while it is extra-solar life, its not an alien in the same way the guideline was meaning it

[restive river]

It’s better this way

[twin wigeon]

It’s alien that it’s exists outside our system only

[tall echo]

it has to be this way

[restive river]

I mean
It is an alien

It’s just not the alien life one would expect

[pale cedar]

DE created aliens to kill them in the same update

[restive river]

Real

[twin wigeon]

…

[restive river]

The first aliens we find will probably be bacteria lol

[pale cedar]

The closest we have to an alien now is a wall man

[restive river]

Give Oberon the last Xenoflora seed
He can fix it

[pearl axle]

I kinda wonder what the actual deal with the xenoflora is. Given flowers are reproductive organs of plants meant to attract other species for pollination it seems implausible for the only macro scale alien species (presumably there's microbes and whatever on Tau we don't care about) to produce flowers as we understand them

[restive river]

Funnily enough the xenoflora are the only known life on Tau

There is like
Some moss and lichen which could be from the terraforming process OR they’re part of the flower’s life cycle

[fleet furnace]

asexual reproduction is a thing, so maybe thats how they spread?

[pale cedar]

Only known native life outside of the Tau created Sentients

[restive river]

It’s also plausible it just. Looks like a flower?
And isn’t actually one

[twin wigeon]

Looks like metal

[pearl axle]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

[restive river]

No, it made the fragments individuals
The sentients achieved sentients on their way to Tau

The big ones were already sentient

[twin wigeon]

I wonder what would happen if we gave Hunhow a flower

[fleet furnace]

id suggest maybe they were accidentally CE'd but that would have to happen in the void, not on perita

[twin wigeon]

Too bad they’re dead

[pearl axle]

Also species the way we defined it might not even make sense for an entirely alien biology system

[pale cedar]

Probably nothing

[twin wigeon]

Maybe he’d like it

[pale cedar]

Hunhow is probably immune to the flowers influence

[fleet furnace]

is it confirmed that the xenofloras gone extinct? i know there were greenhouses for it that were destroyed but at that time peritas atmosphere was still toxic to organics

[pale cedar]

the ones on the moon are

We aren’t told if the planets or other moons have them

[twin wigeon]

Mhm

I’d assume they’re extinct bc they were colonizing the tau system so those eggs are surely everywhere

[pale cedar]

We should honestly steal a teleporter from Albrecht’s stash and teleport to Tau

[fleet furnace]

but with the war pushing the orokin out i doubt theyd have had time to actually complete any terraforming, sentients wouldnt have any need of it either

[tall echo]

the eggs were activated, that's all that was necessary

they're automatic terraforming machines

[restive river]

The Orokin really threw a lot at Tau lol

Here’s sentient machines
Here’s a buncha terraforming eggs
Here’s a colony ship

[pale cedar]

Here’s some children

[fleet furnace]

"we must flee the nest, for the nest is on fire" -scarne

[rigid compass]

Just colonization stuff not really much. Though they always could've focused on terraforming a single planet and colonizing it first

What did the sentients do in terms of terraforming if the worldseeders changed the atmosphere and created plant and potentially animal life

[restive river]

The eggs weren’t activated til the old peace afaik

[strange plinth]

the sentients were meant to build the rail and terraform the planet(s)
but they get there, and the worldseeders have already landed, though not activated
or the worldseeders land soon after they arrive, either way

[restive river]

It sounds like they sent the sentients
Tuvul and his pals got impatient
Started the many zariman projects
And eventually we got the one featuring the finger

[fleet furnace]

zariman, atleast 10-0 happened before the sentients i think?

[pale cedar]

After

[fleet furnace]

was it after?

[pale cedar]

Orokin got impatient so made 10-0

[tall echo]

as of old peace and hinted in duviri, 10-0 was after

[mental herald]

We are 10-0

[pale cedar]

Real

[fleet furnace]

so the sentients were sent first, then tuvul got impatient so the zariman project happened, then 10-0 had issues which ultimately lead to tormis getting to be the first of the orokin to see tau

[strange plinth]

mhm

[restive river]

Zariman had issues
Rail got finished
Tormis goes to Tau
Comes back
Next people who go are met with war iirc

Def makes me think Tormis did something

[fleet furnace]

would be in character, knowing what we do about the executors and orokin in general

[tall echo]

ehhh, scarne was kinda a coward

[restive river]

I headcanon Tormis as an evil himbo

He just
Was stupid, maybe let something slip, said something the now sentient sentients didnt like

[mental herald]

Was there 9-0 or 8-0

[restive river]

Yes

There was a lot of zariman eggs

[mental herald]

Woa

breo

Was our ship the first ship

[fleet furnace]

could also be the possibility the sentients saw tau as a place to lay down their own roots, and use for their own gain, not sure how to explain it but like corpus would need places to build factories for their war machine and itd be similar for the sentients

[restive river]

If our colony ship is 10-0 they def went down to 1-0

[restive river]

No lol

Last ship

More than likely the last ship anyway since sometime after the Zariman incident the Old War started up

[fleet furnace]

we were the first manned mission, and the last iirc

[mental herald]

Nah i mean it's made clear that they didn't want the orokin to destroy it like solar system

[restive river]

The others had cephalon pilots!

[mental herald]

What happened to the other ships?

[restive river]

The egg ships?

[tall echo]

eggs

https://tenor.com/view/fulanoide-memes-gif-25260009

[restive river]

Unactivated terraforming pods, sounds like they were scattered throughout the Tau system but iirc we know of at least 3 I think?

[mental herald]

Oh so we were the first colony ship?

[restive river]

I wanna say there was one on a map
There’s the Anarch base one
And the one that had the special radiation

[strange plinth]

the zariman fives were the world seeders (based on the quest world-seeder being named the "Zariman Five-Nine"), the ten-zero was a colony ship
idr if we have any other specifics on the other ones

[restive river]

Yes

[strange turtle]

Not all of them

[restive river]

It sounded like they did though
But that was from Drifter

[restive river]

So the eggs should have had cephalons

But unmanned drones, no

[mental herald]

I don't remember talking about that with Eleanor

I kinda wanna reset the chat since everything is over but i don't wanna betray Eleanor either

[restive river]

Did you have all chats on?

[mental herald]

Yeah I just forgot

It's been months

[restive river]

Valid

[mental herald]

I wish i could just redo her whole convo as a book to read rather than redo the whole thing

[restive river]

I mean

You do have the chat history

And there is a tool for that too

[heady quest]

is there a way to get my gargoyle statue back, for that one event? I removed it to move it to another room but it is just gone...;

[tall echo]

probably not considering
yk
it was for one operation

[supple helm]

Am I the only one who still thinks Hayden tenno should become Canon in warframe and become another story for 1999 It just works so well fr. So much missed opportunities with this.

[heady quest]

damn... there goes my collectors item

[tall echo]

no.

[supple helm]

😦

Wym no

[restive river]

It doesn’t work though and shouldn’t be canon beyond being fiction in-universe

[supple helm]

It could fit especially with how the warframe timeline is

[strange plinth]

iirc DarkSector is a movie in 1999, and has the WarSector game
that's as canon as it'll get

[restive river]

It’s a piece of fiction in-universe lol

It’s a movie and a book, it doesn’t fit into the timeline

[supple helm]

That sucks

I feel like it could work

[restive river]

It wouldn’t really fit into the timeline otherwise

[strange plinth]

not really?
i don't know very much about DarkSector's lore but i'm pretty sure it conflicts heavily with what's established for Warframe

[supple helm]

I mean the time line is already everywhere

So why not add one more strand

[feral cape]

Its not tho

[restive river]

Nah

[feral cape]

So far literally everything except a singular person has been 1 timeline

[restive river]

Dark sector just doesn’t really fit into things now

[supple helm]

Well it can be argued both ways in my opinion

[restive river]

Well we got 2 more coming in June
But it is a specifically rare oddity

[feral cape]

And then it will be a total of 2 in the new update

[feral cape]

I thought it was 1 from our time 1 from another

[restive river]

I think if the devs thought it could work it would have already been considered canon long before 1999
And as of 1999, it’s just fiction.

[twin wigeon]

Baro?

[restive river]

It literally does not work in the timeline anymore and the only way to make it work would be to force it

[strange plinth]

mm scaro also exists, yeah

[restive river]

Oh yeah he makes 4 lol

[supple helm]

That sucks honestly but I still think they could figure something out with it

Idk

[restive river]

It sounded like they’re both from alt timelines
And technically they would be anyway

[restive river]

If they did it wouldn’t be dark sector, it’d have to be changed to fit

[feral cape]

Baro is still the same guy from our timeline

[restive river]

Scaro

[feral cape]

Hes just been made indistinguishable from other baros

[supple helm]

Which would be alright i mostly think him as a character tho would be sick

[restive river]

Scaro is very likely a Drifter situation due to Baro’s deal

[feral cape]

Was scaro not just wally?

[restive river]

No

[supple helm]

Like an alt of Arthur or something

[restive river]

He knows of Wally
He isn’t Wally

[feral cape]

I see

[restive river]

Him being a Drifter situation makes more sense anyway
Also Wally has never appeared like that nor could he have since no strands were tethered

He always appears as someone else, not someone in a new outfit
Scaro is very likely the result of the deal

Also it seemed like Baro and Scaro couldn’t coexist

[strange plinth]

unlike our deal, which we have an exact wording of, we just have baro's interpretation of his deal to go off of

[celest needle]

So why is Scaro???

Goth Shakespeare?

[restive river]

He sad and lonely ):

All we know of the deal is all the Baros were collapsed into one, along with their timelines
I think the deal itself is what made Scaro, one Baro got to be all of em and one did not

He never said which Baro would be all of em or something lol

[clever linden]

Hewwo

[restive river]

They ded

[twin wigeon]

Flower power

[clever linden]

RIP

But we had aweinz

[restive river]

For a lil bit at least

[tall echo]

most of it takes place after 2000, actually

[clever linden]

I know it’s just a decoration but I don’t get how the ones I have can survive in air

[tall echo]

so... completely impossible

[restive river]

Would you
Count that as an alien race actually?
It is alien but. It’s just a flower, it’s not sapient

[restive river]

Replicas?

[clever linden]

Yes it’s an alien race. If we found flowers on mars we’d call it an alien race

Just not a super exciting one

[restive river]

Wouldn’t species be more accurate?

[clever linden]

Species then

[tall echo]

they're replicas, not real

[clever linden]

That makes sense

[restive river]

I mean I think the point of that statement was there wouldn’t be alien races as we see them in typical sci-fi
Aka
The sapient kind

[ashen pulsar]

yes but race applies

[clever linden]

Star Trek had a whole episode about alien flowers

[restive river]

Technically yeah, I suppose

[clever linden]

That’s about as classic as classic sci fi can get

[restive river]

Just like
Didn’t read what I said lol

[clever linden]

I did

[restive river]

I said typical, not classic

[clever linden]

Also their tweet didn’t even mention sapience

[strange plinth]

semantics

[clever linden]

You’re just assuming that

[strange plinth]

that's all this argument boiled down to before, and all it will now

[restive river]

“To avoid the alien races POPULAR in other sci-fi”
How popular were those flowers?

[clever linden]

It was like one of the first episodes of I remember correctly

[restive river]

Ok lol

[clever linden]

First my dad showed me

[restive river]

Being in star trek doesn’t instantly make them popular lol

[clever linden]

So pretty memorable

[restive river]

Ok
Memorable to you does not mean popular

How many other pieces of sci-fi media feature specifically alien flowers above all else?

[clever linden]

I doubt the episode has haters honestly

[restive river]

And how many of them are “popular”

[clever linden]

Starbound has the Florans which are a fan favorite

[tall echo]

lack of haters does not mean memorable
arguably means it's more forgotten

[restive river]

Those are not the same as xenoflora!

[clever linden]

It’s plant life

[restive river]

It’s sapient and thus, the typical kind of aliens people expect.

[strange plinth]

i've never heard of the alien flowers episode of star trek (outside of this chat) but i've heard of vulcans, klingons, the borg, etc
that's what they're avoiding.

[restive river]

As cool as the florans are, they do fall into the typical more than the xenoflora do

[clever linden]

We know too little about to say they weren’t intelligent honestly

[clever linden]

The borg - amalgams

[restive river]

[clever linden]

Or grineer in a way

[strange plinth]

as a concept of cyborgs? sure
but those aren't really comparable beyond that

[restive river]

Aren’t the borg’s origin alien?
Aka
Not amalgams

[clever linden]

They fused with humans

[restive river]

Conceptually, sure
Similar cause cyborg
But is the borg, the tech alien?

[clever linden]

Star Trek TOS S1E24

Also I want to learn more about the Xenoflora in general so i honestly doubt that they’re completely extinct

They’re probably still out there to some extent

[restive river]

The xenoflora?

[clever linden]

Yes

[restive river]

Maybe a seed survived, if the sentients were smart they had a seed vault

But there is none left on Perita and the ones in the academy were def destroyed

[clever linden]

Or just some survived underground or in vivariums

[restive river]

I’m sure the Orokin did everything they can to ensure it stayed gone

Probably the whole sentients too since they wanted war

[strange plinth]

its possible, but highly unlikely based on what we know that some survived

[restive river]

It was the fragments that, upon gaining individuality wanted peace

I do really hope they had a seed vault lol

[clever linden]

I think that Tau may be completely terraformed with earthly flora when we see it in the modern times

[restive river]

I mean
It could really look like anything

[clever linden]

At least I think it would be pretty boring if it looks exactly the same but you could breathe air

[strange plinth]

the section of modern Perita that we have seen is fairly similar to what we saw in old peace

[clever linden]

Where?

Modern Perita

This is news to me

[twin wigeon]

Yeah it was the tau update banner

[strange plinth]

from last year's tennocon

[twin wigeon]

With valdur’s grave for adis in the front

Or presumably adis’s grave

Could just be his mask there randomly

[strange plinth]

has another verse of 'lullaby of the manifold' as well

[twin wigeon]

Oh?

[strange plinth]

When your spring of hope is dry,
Dream of me and hear my cry,
Seek to meet me by and by,
On that far shore forlorn
On that far shore forlorn

[stiff fable]

Adis lives!

[strange plinth]

this should take you to it

[lilac aspen]

Operator getting a possible happy moment? Impossible

[twin wigeon]

Nope

No joy for the Operator, only… Indifference

[lilac aspen]

Drifter isn’t going to be able to Kim Chat with the two future protoframes

The law of equivalent suffering means then that the Operator gets some happiness since the Drifter won’t be getting any

[celest needle]

Worse - time loop!!!!!

[north skiff]

Uh what's the third orb mother?

[twin wigeon]

A dead boss

[clever linden]

The red glowy thing in the background looks interesting

[strange plinth]

there's been a third orb mother sitting in a pool of coolant for years
got a narmer drone floating above it a little while ago
then it got blown up in the constellations trailer

[twin wigeon]

Presumably killed by Sirius and Orion in the past

[north skiff]

So nothing of consequence then?

[twin wigeon]

Sorry im wrong not killed by them, they just blow it up

[stiff fable]

Well I don't know about that

[strange plinth]

there was potential for a boss but no, not really

[stiff fable]

It's going to drop the Garuda lore!

[twin wigeon]

She’s likely not coming back

[north skiff]

So why are people so certain this update is operator focused?

[stiff fable]

uh? It's not, it's Stalker

Unless you mean Tau

[strange plinth]

jade shadows was operator-focused, sorta
so its sequel probably is too

[north skiff]

Meant the update

[twin wigeon]

Bc the third orb was designed to be as big as the other two spiders and was to incorporate their gimmicks

There’s a wiki entry apparently on her

[humble sierra]

Hey did they officially reveal the box and merch for TennoCon 2026? Like I've seen it but I wasn't sure if that's a leak or not, and I'd like to discuss

[north skiff]

I fought a spider thing in the foutuna intro quest where the rest of them in profit taker?

[twin wigeon]

That was exploiter Orb, profit taker is ontop a building

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Unnamed_Orb_Mother

[lilac aspen]

Clearly they kill her to show how powerful they are

[stiff fable]

I think someone's pulling your leg, the real wiki has no info about plans for the fight

[north skiff]

Holy mecha

[lilac aspen]

Warframe Power scaling

[strange plinth]

i haven't seen anything about that yet, so not sure

[humble sierra]

The original quest was Operator focused— we never play as them but Drifter doesn't show up even if you have them equipped, meaning it's Operator who helps Jade as she delivers the baby. There's no KIM chats for the Protos either so they might be interacting with the Operator.

[twin wigeon]

No there was a entry somewhere

[strange plinth]

on the site

[clever linden]

Btw, here’s confirmation that Ballas did indeed invent technology and he wasn’t just lying about everything

[stiff fable]

The Operator is too young for an AIM account

[humble sierra]

Okay I was able to find the news article so they've announced it

https://www.warframe.com/en/news/tennocon-2026-digital-pack-and-merch-pack-coming-soon

[stiff fable]

Everything was Tau

[north skiff]

Wait the proto interacted with the operator?

[strange plinth]

more of that sentient energy pattern inside the box
funny medallion

[twin wigeon]

No?

[humble sierra]

What I'm curious about are the water droplets on the sides of the box

[north skiff]

Oh ok

[humble sierra]

And like in the background

[twin wigeon]

If they did, it’d be only the triad

[humble sierra]

The new ones could but we don't know yet

[stiff fable]

But yeah the Orb Mothers were going to be overworld boss fights that would represent freeing Fortuna from Nef's oversight

[strange plinth]

oh, true
hunhow does seem to be being taken out of the ocean. might be related?

[stiff fable]

Sadly all the non-Entrati open world syndicates haven't gotten major content updates since The New War

[strange plinth]

nothing major but they've had little expansions

[tall echo]

undermind was very major! we know the elevator can go down too now

[stiff fable]

They've had side additions, like I love Undermind

And Isleweaver is also very cool

[vagrant zephyr]

sometimes I play isleweaver solo just because the boss fight at the end is so cool...

[stiff fable]

But both have separate maps and don't directly expand the "open world"

[north skiff]

I'm confused on that i thought Uranus had water on it or was that frozen?

[stiff fable]

mind you, the Orb Mothers ALSO failed there because they happen in their own instances

In fact this is the first time an open world has really changed since New War given the third orb is going to get splatted

[strange plinth]

you've forgotten koumei's fate dreams
which don't add much and are still incredibly unclear
unclear as in. how the hell are they happening

[ocean geyser]

The 3rd one was just chilling in a lake and got game ended for no reason 😭

[ocean geyser]

Grey Strain in the ocean (for some reason)

[vagrant zephyr]

bathtime :)

[stiff fable]

Same issue, doesn't expand the open world proper

[vagrant zephyr]

💥

[stiff fable]

It also doesn't really move Cetus's story forward because you're stopping something from ever happening

Though, I suppose, it's interesting to note that there are infested inside of Cetus's barrier already

[ocean geyser]

Im particularly interested in the fact that it’s the Grey Strain

Why are they on earth bro 😭

Taking a big ol nap in the ocean for some reason

[vagrant zephyr]

arent those big guys Entrati made partially gray strain maybe one of them do it idk

[stiff fable]

that might just be gameplay, the Gray Strain infested are actually a threat

[vagrant zephyr]

but like they wouldnt be on earth either lmao

[strange plinth]

yea vessels incorporate grey strain

[stiff fable]

That's the Vessels, the Grey Strain are the giant infested types that evolved on Deimos

[ocean geyser]

Those are the Vessels
He slapped the Grey Strain’s genes into them to make them b i g

They’re essentially just meant to be big warframes

[humble sierra]

Deimos explodes across time or something

[stiff fable]

huh wait a minute, the infestation evolves to counter threats

Did the infestation grow the Grey Strain there to fight the hijacked Vessels?

The ones that would be built out of the Grey Strain itself?

[ocean geyser]

But there’s no Vessels on Earth?

[vagrant zephyr]

that we know of 👀

[ocean geyser]

Nefarious

[humble sierra]

The Grey Strain coming from the ocean is a reference to the infestation coming from the sea in darkSector, and of course the grey is referring to how desaturated the game is

[stiff fable]

No, but like I said, the Deimos infested are actually kinda threatening so if you want the game mode to be somewhat challenging you need either new infested or the Deimos ones

[vagrant zephyr]

yeah

[loud oriole]

what if the sphinx in egypt is secretly a vessel

[vagrant zephyr]

deimos infested got allat armour

[strange plinth]

just throw zealoid prelate in there, no one will ever fix it

[stiff fable]

buuuuuuuuuuuuuut also if the Unum is actually Wally's finger then.........

[ocean geyser]

Grey Strain prelate

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/conspiracy-charlie-day--k01KQGBV6TYP1B6X73EQKD0NXJY

[ocean geyser]

Grey strain lephantis…….

[stiff fable]

Grey Strain Phorid

[vagrant zephyr]

maybe he'd have reason to put a big ol guy in there to protect it...

[ocean geyser]

That’d be fire actually

[strange plinth]

grey strain jordas

[ocean geyser]

I love how the infestation turns regular grineer into weird dogs
But the second it gets a Hellion it goes “hold on this guy’s cooking”

[stiff fable]

they even have a design they can just slot and use

Meet the redesigned, never implemented Phorid!

[ocean geyser]

Boy what da hell boy

[stiff fable]

.

honestly looks like a Coda

[ocean geyser]

Huh it do

Takes both Deimos Infested and Techrot design choices
Obviously without the tech part of the Techrot

But i can easily imagine some tvs and wires in this

[cosmic badge]

Looks very friend shaped

[pearl axle]

you have weird friends

[cosmic badge]

Indeed I do

[tight apex]

Hi everyone, sorry if this isn't allowed I just figured this would be best place to find possible fellow roleplayerz like me who utilize the lore our theories of the eternalism concepts. Aka I need friends to ramble about lore with haha 😂😆 (sorry if this isn't allowed here)

[humble sierra]

Rambling about lore, certainly, but I don't quite get what you mean about roleplayerz?

[hearty glacier]

Warframe has role players?

[twin wigeon]

yeah

we have roles

like support, dps, tank, stealtth

[cosmic badge]

There are plenty of players too

[twin wigeon]

etc etc

[hearty glacier]

Oh mb I call support

[twin wigeon]

Im stealth

[cosmic badge]

Dibs on DPS

[hearty glacier]

Well some days I just sit in my orbiter and do nothing

[hearty glacier]

Ash player?

[pearl axle]

is there any lore explanation for what eximus units are

[strange plinth]

special tech for grineer n corpus, mutations for infestation iirc

[humble sierra]

Jade Light eximus specifically have the lore that Parvos was stealing Jade's motes to research and develop

[stiff fable]

Can't wait for BotB, some of the game's best lines coming back

Ordis knows what to do, Ordis has been taking 'motes'! That was a pun, Ordis. That fault was supposed to be bypassed, Ordis!"

The man you refer to is dead. But Ordis is sure he would also have told you to GET FFF- far out of our way."

[humble sierra]

"The man you refer to is dead. But Ordis is sure he would have also told you to GET FFF- far out of our way."

dang I was too slow

but I have the voice line

[twin wigeon]

Ew no one plays ash, im a Voruna player

[stiff fable]

I ran into an Ash main two nights ago

To my own surprise his users all seem pretty happy with where he is

All five of them

[clever linden]

Probably Orokin technology

As the Anarchs use Eximis units too

So it’s stuff that’s been around for a while

Jade pretty much confirms this

As for Scaldra eximus? Muck if i know

[humble sierra]

Scaldra could also have tech, but logically Jade Eximus shouldn't exist until after the New War

So this is just one of those gameplay things

[fast dew]

Ludonarrative dissonance

[strange plinth]

the anarchs don't have jade eximus but the scaldra do for some reason

[hearty glacier]

Omg me too 😍

[fast dew]

This is Albrecht's fault

[tall echo]

why are you ballless now

[tall echo]

there's actually only one, they just have shadow clones active 24/7

[strange plinth]

i feel like those could be reasonably swapped
perita missions are memories, those can have outside stuff leak in, like jade eximus. we see it happen with vinquibus in the second quest section
the scaldra, however, either have to receive that tech from albrecht (where'd he get it from?) or wally (ehh??)

[fast dew]

Screw you thats where

Albrecht just does shit now 💔

[strange plinth]

apparently

[fast dew]

Not a big fan of making Albrecht Mr Mcguffin all the time

[twin wigeon]

who?

[fast dew]

A Mcguffin

[twin wigeon]

a what

[tall echo]

albrecht McMuffin

[dire mountain]

A mcguffin

Plot device man

[strange plinth]

trope for 'item or person that solves the problem and nothing else'

[fast dew]

Basically he's exclusively used as a way to advance the plot, instead of actually adding to his character

I dont like how he's been exclusively used to add new protos, like. Consistently

We haven't seen him in like. A year now

[stiff fable]

Albrecht only solves problems he causes himself though

[glacial bough]

That's sort of the point

[fast dew]

Thats

Not what should be done imo

There's. Him not being there

And him not being there except for when its convenient to make more protos

[humble sierra]

Don't worry! When it's revealed Ryuko and Vena were given the serums by another source entirely, it'll make Albrecht completely irrelevant!

[stiff fable]

hahaha

I can't decide if I want him to be the cause or not

[fast dew]

One of my biggest problems with the triad is that it was forced into the story, for the sake of.

Idk something

[stiff fable]

Though tbh I kinda expect the serums will end up being stolen from the Entrati family since Parvos has a whole thing for that

[tall echo]

for the sake of totally not cheating

[chrome glade]

Think grimm meant roleplaying like larping or DND style

[strange plinth]

i'd rather he wasn't
mostly because what would he be doing with these two
the triad have just enough of an explanation for me to accept them, though i wish they had some foreshadowing

[humble sierra]

These guys don't even have KIM chats so who knows

[fast dew]

Im personally lean for it to be a separate, alt universe Albrecht

Too bad only one of the protos are like that.

[humble sierra]

Maybe we just don't get an explanation

[pearl axle]

how do you even roleplay in warframe do you just pretend to be traumatized 12 year olds sharing war stories lol

[strange plinth]

imagine its alad v

[humble sierra]

Albrecht V

[fast dew]

And I'll be immeasurably pissed

[stiff fable]

I would probably crash out

[humble sierra]

He's been an Orokin this entire time

[fast dew]

We all crashing out maybe

[languid parcel]

On the one hand, it would make sense for any enemy faction to try to get their hands on Entrati Juice, since they've been trying to capture Warframes since Vor and Valkyr. That could be the "bad future timeline" that the Stalker Sprouts want to prevent.

On the other hand, the image of Albrecht just showing up, injecting people with ninja juice, and running away is hilarious, so I'll go with that canon instead.

[tall echo]

it's great how the initial asker just
stopped participating immediately

[humble sierra]

He skinned Valkyr alive so that way he could figure out how to reverse engineer Warframes and create Helminth Serums from that

He became Alad V so he was annoying as possible so MITW doesn't chase him

[stiff fable]

Unless the Arbiters killed Tormis after all

[fast dew]

Alad V is Tormis/Scarne!!!!

[strange plinth]

cue bau

[fast dew]

Bau..

[stiff fable]

I want the minor syndicates to get an outright win

[fast dew]

Waiting forever to get a blood test done

[pearl axle]

I could potentially see a tabletop game based on the concept but it'll have to be an AU where player characters are all protoframes or something

[humble sierra]

DSiege was a fool, saying everyone is secretly MITW

The real theory is everyone is secretly Alad V

[pearl axle]

actual warframe doesn't really seem like a roleplayable setting...

[tall echo]

or just warhammer 2.0

[humble sierra]

Operation Orias:

[strange plinth]

someone needs to make some parody videos,,

[stiff fable]

lol wait a minute we need to check Orias

[tall echo]

warhammer 80k

[pearl axle]

explain

[humble sierra]

It's a TTRPG module

[fast dew]

Omw boss o7

[stiff fable]

There's an official Starfinder Warframe supplement

[glacial bough]

It is, just be a syndicate member

[fast dew]

Once.

I get home

[pearl axle]

what specifically do you play as

[stiff fable]

It has a Yareli proto

[humble sierra]

They play as Protoframes and literally just do the Orias node on Europa, rescuing an operative

[pearl axle]

damn really? any pictures

[stiff fable]

Mostly the Hex, time traveled to the modern Origin System

[languid parcel]

well, there's "Frontiers & Fables"
and Warframe works as a weird mix of 40K and Spelljammer

[humble sierra]

It has the Hex, the Valkyr and Yareli Protos were OC (the module encourages you to make your own protos)

[pearl axle]

that sounds kinda...uninteresting, ngl?

[stiff fable]

I keep forgetting that, damn

[stiff fable]

It's a module, not a whole campaign setting

[fast dew]

Oh? How would one do that...

[stiff fable]

Oh it was Valkyr proto, I keep thinking it was Garuda

[pearl axle]

yeah I've played plenty of pathfinder modules, I just don't see "the hex does generic starchart mission" as that interesting a module premise lol

[humble sierra]

It was Taylor's, the Valkyr VA

[dire mountain]

Low-key garuda is valkyr but cooler, though you didnt hear that from me

[strange plinth]

claws + blood theming
they are. similar

[humble sierra]

Specifically Kaya sends you into the future or something.

They did a stream on it, but I'm not sure if that was the whole module or not

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/aja-jim-carrey-ace-ventura-pet-detective-hrmm-gif-12487608332671941449

[tall echo]

I tried getting a dnd group together with ppl from here once I think, but none of us even made characters

[fast dew]

I did get them mixed up a lot lol

[pearl axle]

I'd be up for it. forever GM here lol
I mostly do text RP with remote groups though because I'm hearing impaired

[fast dew]

Chat do we think Albrecht knows how to draw blood or was he just stabbing people and seeing what happened

[tall echo]

I got some mental block preventing me from doing VC stuff so that works

[stiff fable]

Definitely the latter

[pearl axle]

funnier to imagine the latter

[stiff fable]

Loid was the medical professional

[dire mountain]

He knows, but he doesn't

[stiff fable]

Albrecht's a theoretical physicist

[tall echo]

he knows now

[dire mountain]

Okay jokes aside no I think he would know to draw blood considering his notes

[fast dew]

Eh we dont actually have a title for what Albrecht's main thing is, because he can bioengineer a helminth strain to be slower

[pearl axle]

anyone here watched Legend of Korra? because Albrecht and Loid's relationship has Varrik/Zhu Li energy

[tall echo]

was that the "do the thing" one?

[pearl axle]

yah

[tall echo]

I watched it once but that was like over 10 years ago by now

[glacial bough]

Albrecht's specialty would be the Void, same as mother. He just also does other things

[tall echo]

I think

[pearl axle]

it's basically like emotionally distant wacky mad scientist + his put upon assistant. they get married in the end

comedy dynamic

[stiff fable]

I've always just assumed he didn't inject the full Warframe course

Because of the comic, where Amir rezzes the rest of the squad by giving them a new dose

[pearl axle]

also keep me in the loop if you try again then

[tall echo]

eh my track record of dnd(and bg3) groups so far is. exclusively failures

like. not a single one ever gets anywhere

[pearl axle]

Like, players just lose interest and stop showing?

[tall echo]

nah it never even starts usually

[pearl axle]

Damn

[tall echo]

like one group for bg3 got started, ended shortly after getting off the tutorial place

[pearl axle]

I've been GMing a slow and steady space opera campaign (homebrew system based on 5e) for like over 4 years at this point, a Pathfinder living world server for 2

[fast dew]

Awesome..

[pearl axle]

I guess I'm lucky as far as forever GMs are concerned

[fast dew]

I have both Albrecht and Loid in tomodachi and its awesome

[pearl axle]

In what

[fast dew]

Tomodachi life

[pearl axle]

What is that

Is that basically like the sims for switch

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/hugh-morris-tomodachi-life-gif-11370131784552449654

[fast dew]

Pretty much, I also have them in the sims

[pearl axle]

Throw in Lotus, Teshin, and the protoframes too. The whole Entrati family. Report shenanigans

[fast dew]

I have Neci and Viktor in there..

[pearl axle]

How many do you get to make lol

[fast dew]

Up to 70, from memory

I currently have. 6

[tall echo]

make the new loka leader and make everyone just HATE her

[pearl axle]

.... you can probably put Ball Ass in there too

Salad V, Grineer queens

[fast dew]

I could but doom takes precedent

[pearl axle]

Everyone

[fast dew]

Gotta get my fill of divorce eternal

Because ive been starved

[tall echo]

gonna add the next protos?

..nah miis suck for the hairstyles actually

[pearl axle]

The opposite of shipping I see...?

[fast dew]

The new tomodachi life has pretty decent ones

[fast dew]

Kinda, its the ship name between Doomguy and Samuel lol

But they're.

Giga divorced

Eternal as in. doom eternal
And divorce because they lowkey divorced

"No don't do that"

Very aggressively, and silently does that very thing

[pearl axle]

I have not played doom so I have no idea what you're talking about

[fast dew]

Hold on lemme

[pearl axle]

All I remember is the trope of the "found divorce" where two characters were never married but act like they're divorced. Optimus Prime and Megatron. Professor X and Magneto. You know that vibe

[fast dew]

If i had a dollar for every time a coffin/sarcophagus was important for a game i love, id have 2 dollars

[fast dew]

Its exactly that

[fast dew]

Shout out to Sam touching the coffin holding Doomguy, why did he touch it like that

[pearl axle]

Honestly Lotus and Teshin felt like that lmao

[fast dew]

Divorce core

Tldr they act like that, hence the name

Theres. Quite a bit of history between them

[restive river]

Huh???

[fast dew]

Actually, on Samuel hayden

[fast dew]

Doom, dw

[restive river]

Oh not
Lotus and Teshin lol

[fast dew]

Hes who folk assume Albrecht to be

[fast dew]

Yeah lol, but true, doomguy and Samuel act similar to lotus and teshin in the teacher, and with a bit more behaviours from the doom side is what makes it feel like.
A divorce lol

History + bickering + mild tolerance for each other makes it feel like a divorce ykim

[fast dew]

Cold, indifferent, arrogant, mild god complex, along with the whole "i do what I do because I have no choice™" deal he has going on, despite the fact he has a choice lol

[twin wigeon]

the choice being to return to his faithful man-cat

[fast dew]

Samuel is indifferent, Albrecht is pragmatic, those are two different things and it shows in the character

[fast dew]

Sam's choice is to not benefit off torturing humans 😭
-# tbf he does fix that

Oh and. Tolerating some genuine bullshit

They both tolerate bullshit 😭

From the realm beyond the normal plane of existence

[restive river]

Doom side divorce
Warframe side family drama

He is our space uncle after all

[restive river]

indifferent!

[twin wigeon]

oh i was talking abt alb

[twin wigeon]

isn't hell energy from the suffering of humans or sum shi

[fast dew]

Samuel genuinely couldn't give two shits about the people he hurts [this is only in 2016], doesn't have any moral issues with what he does

Albrecht. Does and seems to hate himself for it and it shows

[fast dew]

Ye ik i was just pointing out the differences between the "i have no choice" dilemmas they have. Tbf Samuel's was. Dont benefit off the torture of people, or fix the energy crisis and save earth

[fast dew]

Mhm. Argent energy is made by torturing humans souls :) Samuel doesn't do it directly, he just. Put a big energy tower over a fissure on Mars

For some reason there was a fissure on mars

[fast dew]

Samuel is indifferent, he didnt gaf when his chosen protégé got manipulated by hell

He only gave a shit cuz it inconvenienced him lol

Olivia pierce was. Disabled and hell was like "Hey want a new body :)" and. Fell for it

And Samuel was pissed, because of her, his super-intelligent ai Son who's actually the Father, the argent tower and the majority of the facility was destroyed

[clever linden]

What Prime Gun works best as a template for this epic skin in your opinion?

[dire mountain]

Sybaris

Next question

[clever linden]

I had that one and tried it, its small pulse shots felt sluggish to me…but it did feel like a fit i suppose

[restive river]

I like it on burston lol

Latron too

[celest needle]

Who are the syndicate unaffiliated people on the relays?

[marble timber]

They are only together for the kids type of stuff