lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Grineer generally go down fast, their population would be stable, they can barely support the growth as is

[restive river]

I was trying very hard to not be too explicit about it 😭

[fast dew]

Corpus' main production are their robots, which. Are made faster than what a grineer grows in [we can see some of these vats in missions, they are. Slow]

[fast dew]

Tbf its. A hard topic to not be explicit about in general lol

[hidden cove]

I wasn't around for the period between New War and Angels, but isn't the Dormizone inside the Zariman itself? Before we were able to go to the Zariman, how did we get there?

[restive river]

Yeah

[hidden cove]

I know it's connected to Duviri via the Undercroft

And I know the Operator got there after being 'killed' and swapping with Drifter too

[restive river]

The Dormizone is in the Zariman yes
If you unlocked Drifter first then they used their Zariman on the Duviri side
The two are linked

[restive river]

They weren’t killed

[glacial bough]

In the New War, it was likely a mental space like with War Within

[restive river]

Operator got thrown into the void, into their own timeline

[hidden cove]

Hence the quotation marks

[restive river]

Iirc it literally shows the physical ship in realspace during TNW

[hidden cove]

That would explain why we couldn't use the Dormizone's presence to find the Zariman immediately in terms of content I suppose

Lotus acts like the Zariman 'just appeared' or something

[restive river]

The Zariman, Operator’s Zariman pops in and out of the void a few times

[hidden cove]

I don't fully remember because this was two or three years ago for me and Angels isn't replayable

[restive river]

Cause it does just do that lol

[glacial bough]

Which is no different than War Within with everything on the mountain

[fast dew]

Wh

[restive river]

Uh
Ok
I don’t think its a dream here lol

They physically meet up and choose who goes lol

[humble sierra]

And we physically also meet Teshin at the end of the War Within, on that mountain

[fast dew]

Eh, parts of that mountain is in a dream

[restive river]

With Angels iirc it was Kira who caused the Zariman to return for the last time, acting as a plug between realspace and Duviri, on the other side of Duviri is the void

[fast dew]

Not the whole mountain

[humble sierra]

Oh yeah the catacombs are probably non-existent

[restive river]

Yes the mountain dream was a dream
The Zariman Drifter/Operator section wasn’t

[humble sierra]

I wonder if we've personally been there though and just remembering it

[fast dew]

I mean Albrecht gotta get a golden maw somehow, either from there or duviri/j

[restive river]

It was a Yuvan theater and Teshin clearly did something, I don’t think we had been there unless we were serving as a bodyguard

[fast dew]

-# still unsure how he even got a mounted golden maw

[restive river]

It’d have to be Duviri since that part was a dream
That being said the maws did clearly exist in some capacity

[normal mountain]

Apparently, Golden Maws were quite common in the Orokin era

[humble sierra]

Maybe they're Orokin pool cleaners and extremely common

[normal mountain]

more likely Orokin waste disposals

[soft sluice]

How do u know which son u picked in jade shadows mission

[restive river]

Memory

[fast dew]

And he just put em on a wall 😭

[normal mountain]

and/or execution methods

[soft sluice]

What if I don’t have that

Anyone selling it?

[restive river]

What would you have picked then?
Stalker’s choice of baby name or Jade’s?

[fast dew]

Once I get back home ill. Maybe do a netracell run to get a better screenie of Albrecht's golden maw

[humble sierra]

Apparently if you replay, Stalker just automatically picks the name you chose

[restive river]

No I mean literally your memory LOL

[normal mountain]

Constellations will show you
Allegedly

[restive river]

Oh neat :D

[glacial bough]

Which is no different than us meeting with Teshin on the mountain

[soft sluice]

Stalker I think

[humble sierra]

Apparently being the keyword-- though I've replayed the quest I can't remember myself if that's true

[soft sluice]

Nah I was playing lol it was a joke

[fast dew]

Yeah, because not all of that sequence is inside a dream

Much like the zariman

[restive river]

It is though
Teshin did something to us
We just went to the Zariman in TNW, it literally appeared iirc lol

I don’t think there is a Zariman dream portion, I’ve literally never heard of that being an option and it doesn’t really make sense for that to be the case lol

[fast dew]

Id replay it but I hated the new war 💔

[normal mountain]

We do literally take the Landing Craft over to the Zariman

[glacial bough]

Just as we do to get the mountain in War Within

[restive river]

Yeah uh
No
We literally ride our ship to it LOL

[restive river]

Nothing suggests it to be a dream and we are physically seeing us going to it, where are you getting this? Lol

[normal mountain]

Like I said

[normal mountain]

Comparison to War Within
Which is somewhat fair, but still

[restive river]

But in the War Within Teshin actually does something to us which causes the dream

[fast dew]

The only part I could see as a dream would be. The deal™ part

Wayyy earlier on in the quest

[restive river]

Where we bring Drifter in on it?

[fast dew]

Wally deal, not drifter deal
-# and certainly not darvo deal

[restive river]

Ah, well that was our timeline that we were in
And the part with Drifter is them saving the Operator and getting their powers

[fast dew]

Nodders

[normal mountain]

"Check out today's steal- woah. Deal. Today's deal."

[restive river]

“Today’s deal, a piece of an eldritch entity hellbent on finding this random old gay guy! It will give you spooky powers!”

[normal mountain]

"Get it while supplies last!"

[glacial bough]

Us taking the landing craft isn't any indication, we know that's possible within a hypothetical dream space. War Within was something induced I agree, but New War decision is significant Void shenanigans to justify

[fast dew]

What segment are we actually talking about, for one

[restive river]

Yeah no I’m watching it rn and this is not giving the vibe in any way that it is a dream
Drifter saves Operator
They do the switch, Operator talks to mom, she leaves
Ballas has his crashout
Cut to us flying to the Zariman
We make the choice
Cut to our Orbiter where we emerge from the gamer chair

[glacial bough]

Especially with the decision kicking us back into the Somatic Link and Angels treating it like the Zariman is just appearing again now and the New War sequence being void of anything that should be on the ship

[fast dew]

Huh

[restive river]

Ok but nowhere does it say or hint at it even being a dream, this sounds more like a headcanon than anything else

[fast dew]

Tryna remember what wouldn't be there

[restive river]

https://youtu.be/fOfoKwolSUc?t=11982&si=sAiMaUfLtPBl_1xx

Watch from here

[restive river]

Literally this is the timeline

[fast dew]

Yeah outside time shenanigans, which. Can just happen with the void

[restive river]

The only
only
Piece of evidence that it might be a dream is it cutting to us in the chair

[fast dew]

I dont see how its a dream

[restive river]

Which btw clearly some things happen offscreen
Like
The Orbiter regaining its systems and being in space

Genuinely nothing hints at it being a dream or a void hallucination or whatever, we even fly to the ship while its in realspace

It can reappear briefly
Dip again
Then come back to plug the hole

[fast dew]

There's multiple zariman, one could fill the hole as the other is gone

[restive river]

What is genuinely more reasonable
It being a dream
Or the Zariman doing what it does

[fast dew]

That's kinda like how drifter and operator work...

[restive river]

The plug doesn’t get plugged til Angels iirc

[fast dew]

Tbf it doesnt need to be plugged, does it?

[restive river]

As shown here it is coming out of or still plugging a hole but the Zariman does leave after this and plugs the hole for the final time in Angels

[restive river]

Yes
Void storms across the system is a very bad thing

Well
From there to mercury iirc?

[fast dew]

Mmhm

[restive river]

Anyway
Nothing suggests that scene is a dream lol
We don’t enter a dream state
We don’t even wake up out of one
Some things clearly just happened off-screen between cuts
And what is genuinely more reasonable, a dream sequence that’s never actually shown or talked about to be a dream or those events actually unfolding?
Heck, Drifter even makes reference to the spacetime issue! That would not be an issue in a dream.

[fast dew]

I wonder who first saw a void storm

[lean garden]

me duh

[restive river]

Good question
I’m assuming you mean outside of the void

[fast dew]

Yeah lol

Obviously it was bau

[restive river]

Yeah, obviously

[fast dew]

Not any reputable archimedian

[restive river]

They are also called Bau Storms

[fast dew]

Baubaus..

[restive river]

A lvl 1 Grineer lancer watching reality grow teeth: “Bau….”

I wish they did more weird stuff with the storms
2019 tennocon made them seem so cool

[fast dew]

I imagine being a grineer is scary

[restive river]

There was also that. I think sponsored animated short where weird stuff happened?

[fast dew]

Which one 😭

[restive river]

https://youtu.be/TkMjCOr4-GM?si=ncbaLX4RCC2N2h9c

[humble sierra]

I wonder if the new Railjack content will include "new content" or just new nodes

[restive river]

Mashed has some fun Warframe shorts lol
This one is the
Least canon of them

[restive river]

Maybe we’ll find out next stream!
Though I think it will focus on our funny time twins more than anything else

Ah man that stream
Might spoil what happens in the quest to some extent

If they’re fused as one frame. That might happen in the quest.

Hopeful they are just two separate frames and have an explanation for the coexistence problem

[humble sierra]

I think a Gemini emote to swap between them would go hard

[fast dew]

Equinox with extra steps

[fast dew]

They do this a lot dw

[humble sierra]

They showed 20 mins of gameplay for Old Peace and it still didn't spoil the bulk of the quest

[restive river]

I’m well aware lol

[restive river]

Void bubble theory…

[fast dew]

No but they did spoil Roathe's whole deal in a article later on lol

[restive river]

Well that’s an article, a majority of players won’t really be looking at that
Devstreams are much bigger

We will get our answer, maybe, on what their situation is to some extent

[fast dew]

-# something something warframe players cant read

[normal mountain]

I heard someone say once that we're getting both as playable frames
It was secondhand with no source, but
Sounds promising

[fast dew]

It would be from rebb saying frames plural

[restive river]

Nobody but the devs know and they didn’t really say

[restive river]

Which is technically true but also
They could be “fused”

The spacetime issue should be addressed to some degree

[normal mountain]

It was something about the name you chose in Jade Shadows being the Constellations reward

[fast dew]

The rules of eternalism states they physically cannot be in the same spot. So id assume they fuse

[restive river]

Or void bubble!

[twin wigeon]

Or death

[strange plinth]

also assuming it isn't a misspeak in one way or another

[restive river]

What 😭

[twin wigeon]

One sacrifices another or they both fight for an existence

[fast dew]

Imagine the universe hating it and exploding them

[fast dew]

Xata... rebb is awesome but she does do that sometimes

[restive river]

I really don’t like these frames specifically
Death.

[restive river]

I’m still not sure what those mushrooms are 😭

[normal mountain]

Oh
Wait
I think we're forgetting something
It wouldn't be a one or the other situation
Because the baby also exists

[fast dew]

Yeah the lil baby

[normal mountain]

It would be a three-way space-time clash

[restive river]

Predate the Orokin but they were on Venus, maybe infested??? Probably not?
Maybe infested later??
What is Nokko??

[fast dew]

Which complicates it further

[fast dew]

S H R O O M

[restive river]

Probably yeah

[fast dew]

Screw it the baby explodes too

[restive river]

Honestly, due to the baby being a younger version of them they specifically might be fine

[normal mountain]

Doubt it
Operator is younger too

[fast dew]

Operator is a younger version too lol

[restive river]

Sirius and Orion are the same person relative to eachother, like Operator and Drifter
And while the baby is also them it might be different

[restive river]

No they aren’t lol

Yes physically they are younger due to cryosleep but they are the same age as Drifter

[normal mountain]

My friend
This was my reasoning for Sirius and Orion coexisting
And you shot it down with Operator and Drifter

[restive river]

Cryosleep didn’t stop time for them, they still technically aged as time passed

[normal mountain]

A little consistency, please

[restive river]

What?
They’re the same case as Operator and Drifter

[restive river]

I’m being consistent you just aren’t understanding me lol

[normal mountain]

Anyways
I have dinner to eat

[restive river]

The baby is them in the past
But on the timeline Sirius and Orion are the same, same as Operator and Drifter

[fast dew]

I made my 2 minute noodls what happened

[restive river]

Just because the Operator is younger doesn’t mean the baby is necessarily at risk
I think they probably are cause spacetime still probably does not like the same beings existing at the same point in spacetime
But my point is the baby is not comparable to Operator and Drifter

Operator and Drifter’s situation is the exact same as Sirius and Orion’s
So spacetime should do it’s thing and compensate for their existence
But the baby is specifically a past version of them, we have never had a moment like this and thus it is not entirely comparable

[dark compass]

I can't sleep

[fast dew]

Real

[dark compass]

I have an appointment

This sucks

[fast dew]

Balls

Im at college and I wanna go home, shit hurts lol

[restive river]

Hey

You two

Stay hydrated

[fast dew]

Shit you not i just got a cup of water right before you sent that

[restive river]

Good!

[fast dew]

We ran out of apple juice 💔

[dark compass]

I'm practically 70% water

[tall echo]

I just moved my water bottle further away

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[restive river]

Silly scrap, you can’t drink!

[dark compass]

@fast dew can you send that tired cat emoji for me

I don't have nitro anymore

[restive river]

why do we have this lol

[fast dew]

Can't use it here but I have a gif of it

[dark compass]

Oh right

[tall echo]

Pinaol

[dark compass]

No external emotes I forgot

[tall echo]

Pinaple

[dark compass]

Fancy decorations

[tall echo]

Pineapple

[restive river]

I saw Bau typing
I would like their thoughts on if the universe will compensate for baby

[tall echo]

Brain cell

[lean garden]

[tall echo]

Tired

[lean garden]

Needs to be seen, I agree, baby is past version so its not a copy and paste scenario

[restive river]

Exactly!

[fast dew]

This works

[restive river]

Albrecht as a cat

[fast dew]

Loid too

[dark compass]

Yes that's how I feel rn

[fast dew]

Both are just tired

[fast dew]

HAVE I SHOWN YOU THE BUNNYS OF THEM

[restive river]

They need a nap

[restive river]

Albrecht and Loid

[restive river]

NO?

[dark compass]

Too much on my mind to sleep

[tall echo]

Nah, they're both too awake

[restive river]

🫂

[tall echo]

Woh

[fast dew]

LOOK AT THEM MY MOOT MADE THEM

There's one with Euleria too

[restive river]

Share

[fast dew]

Honourable mention

Albrecht's cool eyeliner

[lean garden]

Additional thoughts:
Assuming (arbitrarily with no evidence other than hubris) that our timeline is the only actually real timeline (as all timelines are equally real, some more equal than others), perhaps Orion and Sirius are from some Strands of Khra, meaning that the universe wont struggle because it can recognise that theyre simply not as real as itself

[restive river]

Why he kinda look like vinny vinesauce

[strange plinth]

i'm still going with the infestation preventing the universe from compensating for multiple of the same being
it makes sense to me, imo, that it wouldn't really care about multiple warframes (primarily due to them being infested), despite sirius/orion/baby being different versions of the same. being

i'd agree that the baby might not factor into adult orion/sirius based on different points in their respective timelines, though. that argument makes sense i think

[fast dew]

He kinda do..

[tall echo]

Hat

[fast dew]

I CANT FIND THE EULERIA ONE EVIL

[restive river]

But then comes the thought of where those strands came from 👀

[lean garden]

It seems like two doomed timelines, we might hazard which bugger might be responsible

[restive river]

I do like the idea the infestation could prevent it cause
Infested

[tall echo]

I. Nedd sleep

..that is proof

[restive river]

I mean if they are strands then the common factor is dad leaving
For
Some reason

Maybe Wally made some strands up to try and
Prevent familial love with the universe’s most unique entity?

[tall echo]

The average dad experience

[lean garden]

possible

[restive river]

Get some good rest

[strange plinth]

wally weaving up some more strands going: 'lmao what if i took away their dad'

[restive river]

Omg he’s just making more BAD FANFICS 😭

[fast dew]

https://www.tumblr.com/invasivefungus/810613332783611904/you-can-talk-to-me-and-my-daughter-anytime

Had to go to their tumblr lol

=^..^=

You can talk to me and my daughter anytime : )...

Tumblr · Mar 9, 2026, 12:58 PM

[restive river]

I wish the Triad were just a bad fanfic

[tall echo]

It's 3:22am it no be good rest

[restive river]

Thank you for your service

[restive river]

):
i hope tomorrow treats you well

[fast dew]

They have ones with the protos :)

[restive river]

I think I recall you sharing thst

[fast dew]

My favourite one is with Marie and Lyon

[restive river]

Oh you did not share them though!

Marie and Lyon but better

[fast dew]

https://www.tumblr.com/invasivefungus/810592347181268992/where-are-they-off-to
Roathe is there too

=^..^=

where are they off to

-# #roathe at the back cracks me up #im working on flare but i have no idea how to turn lizzie into a bunny #warframe #devils triad #roathe #lyon allard #marie leroux #art #shitpost #tennocreate #?

Tumblr · Mar 9, 2026, 7:25 AM

[humble sierra]

Share Lyon and Marie? 😏 yeah you could say I do

Or rather they share me

This has been your daily @humble sierra bragging about how he's dating all 3 at the same time

[restive river]

Aw man it really is the triad but good

Roathe looks like he’s seen war

[fast dew]

https://www.tumblr.com/invasivefungus/810781215007309824/who-tf-is-stealing-my-cookies

Theres also this one

=^..^=

who tf is stealing my cookies?...

Tumblr · Mar 11, 2026, 9:27 AM

[strange plinth]

i didn't even see you typing where'd you come from

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-warframe-man-in-the-wall-khra-oull-gif-17887468980133872559

[restive river]

Time possibility truth?

Time for a possible truth?

What’s something you could see being true in Warframe but has never been confirmed

[fast dew]

XATA NUKE

[restive river]

We need the requiem for nuke

Maybe some variation of Netra?
Nuktra?
Xata Nuktra?

[fast dew]

Mm

[dire mountain]

I like xata cascade

Xata storm could also work

[fast dew]

Nodding

[twin wigeon]

nodders

[fast dew]

Nodders

[twin wigeon]

Is there a ProBrutus to AntiCaesar?

[dire mountain]

Up and down they're nodding 🎶

[dire mountain]

Yeah thats the April fool's day persona

[fast dew]

Is there a heated mango to chilly mango

[normal mountain]

Just read their dilemma with Flare
I have a suggestion

Make Lizzie a carrot 🥕

[fast dew]

LMAO

[twin wigeon]

thats actually my alter ego, sweaty pickle

[fast dew]

They did end up making Lizzie

[normal mountain]

...
...CARROT LIZZIE EXISTS?!

[fast dew]

https://www.tumblr.com/invasivefungus/811418903066656768/h0rr0rimus

This is the idea they got

[normal mountain]

Lol
That works too

[lean garden]

and you aint show it???

[fast dew]

THE EMBED USED THE WRONG IMAGE

[fast dew]

Flarebun

And freaky lil Lizzie bun

[dire mountain]

That's really cute how her dual string set up is the ears

[fast dew]

RIGHT

[ashen pulsar]

is it weird that I want to play it

[twin wigeon]

who's teeth are guitar picks?

Flare Bunleon or Lizzbun

[rigid compass]

Probrutus and anticeaser are the same 😭

[twin wigeon]

i was talking about a alterego to AntiCaesar

a opposite

[dire mountain]

Its like inside-out and outside-in

[ashen pulsar]

doesnt flare just fingerstyle

[twin wigeon]

no? Flare's fingers are guitar picks

infested ones, no doubt, but guitar picks still

[ashen pulsar]

fingerstyle

[twin wigeon]

not fingers, their nails are

[ashen pulsar]

ik their index is

but its still fingerstyle

[twin wigeon]

ig so then

[idle cairn]

whats the lore of the chinese frames

is it the same as the folklore?

[strange plinth]

vaguely inspired, not the same
Nezha has a leverian regarding his lore

[celest needle]

Wukong:

[pearl axle]

Someone turned a monkey into a Warframe as a joke

[marble timber]

We have that already

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gif-25182100

Just realized that’s what you were referring to

I’m dumb

[pearl axle]

Lmao

[marble timber]

But enjoy the GIF

[pearl axle]

Is that a real emote in game

[marble timber]

I wish

Looks like it’s blender or something

[pearl axle]

Shame

[dire mountain]

Isnt that pubgm

[celest needle]

immortal monkey

[idle cairn]

i think ballas turned justin bieber's pet monkey into wukong

[pearl axle]

Honestly though are there any actual nonhuman warframes in the lore

I guess Caliban and Revenant are Sentients

But like... warframes or equivalent made from animals

....is Venari a Warframe-ified kavat

[strange plinth]

potentially

don't remember if there's anything specific on venari

[marble timber]

Honestly I wonder what Warden’s (The Warframe revenant used to be) abilities would be

[stiff fable]

An interesting thought experiment

[marble timber]

I’d imagine he’d be CC focused

[stiff fable]

I've had two thoughts on it over the years. The one that amuses me most is that it was just an Excalibur

But otherwise, yeah, CC focus with a dispell

What's interesting is that the Plains Sentient attacked during the Orokin Collapse

So OG Rev probably had a different job originally

[marble timber]

I’d think alt versions of all of Revenant’s abilites

Like instead of enthrall it could be imprison, where you pin a target in place for a short period

[pearl axle]

If you wanna make it mythologically accurate: a sapient voidtouched monkey that accidentally turned itself into a Warframe by throwing a fit in Ballas's labs and getting infested with the helminth strain via eating random crap

[stiff fable]

Ha!

[glacial bough]

You can easily see the kind of abilities the Warden had with Enthrall and Mesmer Skin

[stiff fable]

Honestly if Temple was enough to spook Ballas he should never have made a Warframe themed on Wukong

Buddha himself needed to come out and deal with Monkey

[glacial bough]

Enthrall is fully not a Sentient or Eidolon thing

[stiff fable]

Because Monkey went and beat up every god in heaven simultaneously over a slight

[strange plinth]

after reading through the fragments about venari:
ehh? Khora's hand is recognized as "of Orokin construction", but Venari is just described as an orokin strain of kavat
though her being frozen in ice and reviving herself seems. odd, for just a kavat

[celest needle]

Ballas was one of those rock is satanic kind of guys

[glacial bough]

Mesmer Skin has some Eidolon flavour, but is different enough from how they work

[stiff fable]

Dammit why didn't I think of that

[pearl axle]

No he turned the monkey into a Warframe to be controlled by a pacifist monk psychic child as punishment

It all works out in the end

[stiff fable]

hahaha

That would actually make really cool Warframe lore except that's already Umbra

[pearl axle]

Yeah

Also like if they make a Warframe out of the pig guy it would just be a meme

Canonically Zhu Bajie was a minor celestial bureaucrat who got drunk and creeped on Chang E, the moon goddess who also outrank him significantly, so he was demoted to mortality (literally fired from heaven). Except a clerical error sent his soul into the womb of a pig

So instead of a human, he was born a pig demon, and did not at all learn his lesson because he continued to harass women

[stiff fable]

haha yeah

[sterile spear]

Do you think Ballas at some point, mix some of that kuva with warframe? Like he wanted to see what will happened with the strain.

[stiff fable]

Almost certainly

[glacial bough]

Multiple frames require Kuva in it's contruction, so nothing in particular

[stiff fable]

If nothing else, Garuda costs Kuva to build

[fast dew]

Octavia does

For some reason

[stiff fable]

That's weird lol

[sterile spear]

Some use kuva, some doesnt

🤔

what if he just made it as primary feature of a warframe, too much kuva in a warframe

[vagrant zephyr]

he's just like the best

[vagrant zephyr]

the hermos frame

[humble sierra]

The XATA is that I just picked the first MITW gif before it fully played, thank goodness it just covered the screen with voidtongue and nothing else

[restive river]

[sterile spear]

i would prefer if that warfarme got melted to a goo, and become slime-like substances. And ballas just deemed it failure and discarded it. But because of it got dumped in the middle of nowhere, due to kuva, it can take appearance of any living creature it feeds. So its going to be a first warframe without customizable appearance

or a first warframe that take appearance based on attachment

[restive river]

Idk if that’s what the kuva would do but that would be neat

A frame that isn’t customizable at all though would
Not go well probably

Tying customization to functionality is inherently limiting on both ends and people care a lot about both ends
Excal, Equinox and Chroma get away with it just enough because it’s tied to their energy colors (that being said I do still hate how it limits my fashion!)

[sterile spear]

that would be bad

what i mean is that, in order for his/her appearance to show up, is to equip different auxillary attachment that will show up different appearance skin based on the auxillary.

[restive river]

Why not have em be gender fluid

[sterile spear]

like for example, Grinner auxillary would make him look like a grineer, corpus, infested and so on

[restive river]

You’re basically wanting a mimicframe it sounds like

[sterile spear]

a literal gender fluid (slime) xD

[restive river]

It writes itself!

[sterile spear]

something like that,

[restive river]

I think that they’d probably need something to still set them apart and look like a frame to some degree, even when taking on another’s form
Cause from what I’ve seen DE tends to not want us to look like enemies, even the Vanguard are specifically made bigger to differentiate them

[sterile spear]

idk how to design, so that would be the other team effort.

[restive river]

You basically want infested kuva sludge slime that can mimic

If it’s mimicking those it consumes then
Due to kuva
It’s not just consuming them

[lean garden]

I think the biggest difficulty is the mesh

otherwise its really just reskins of the same frame

[restive river]

Yeah

This concept sounds like it’d be more stealth oriented for the most part

[lean garden]

the return of the hydroid puddle

[sterile spear]

got tentacled into the depth of the abyss

[restive river]

They did make a joke about that recently…

[scenic oar]

Albrecht caused techrot ? true or just hints ?

[strange plinth]

false, the scaldra just blame him

1999 was known as the plague year before he ever travelled there

he showed up around 1998 i think?
and we have emails regarding the scaldra messing with techrot in 1997

[dire mountain]

Usually fascists do not care about the truth

They LOVE scapegoats though

[celest needle]

Boyband replacing lol

[celest needle]

How good with the average grineer do in american football?

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/blood-bowl-halfling-throw-gif-13836368

Ever heard of Blood Bowl?

[pearl axle]

this sounds like something kela de thaym would invent

[humble sierra]

Lmao is that the fandom wiki

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[narrow pendant]

finally went around meeting the man, the myth, the legend himself

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-yikes-flight-meme-gif-12822158462297009384

we did not see that performance..

[blissful wraith]

So corpus weapons literally lobs superheated steel at full auto at high reliability. I think thats something the space matines really want

The Stahta, the service rifle

[clever linden]

The corpus cult already exists as a real-world cult

It’s called “crypto scam communities” they operate as cults of toxic positivity, they harass dissenters, shame FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) they constantly hype up the long-term viability of their project, and have ritualized phrases such as wishing everyone “gm” and “gn” every day. It’s creepy how much it lines up.

[strange turtle]

Depends on if they came from some cushy Kuva League facility or the University of Harkonar

[narrow pendant]

not just crypto, i mean look at elon hes literally just nef anyo lmao

whole AI bubble too

[clever linden]

Yes finally someone compares fictional character to Elon and it actually matches

Neff Anyo is a hard R like Elon

No geniusness

[strange turtle]

Hard R?

[narrow pendant]

handicapped intelligence

[dark compass]

Speaking of rich people who steal all the valor

I wonder if DE aren't behind pulling it off with Ballas

He doesn't make frames during Narmer takeover

They can easily pull the "he actually didn't make shit" card

[stiff fable]

we know someone else made Titania!

[dark compass]

True

It would make sense that the tech is available to someone else

[narrow pendant]

you can argue its mostly the helminth putting in the work ballas does the design and theme

[dark compass]

Yeah but it may not even be his if they go that route

[clever linden]

But he actually made the warframes

[dark compass]

We never really see him do it

[clever linden]

He’s closer to palantir’s CEO who’s name escapes me

[narrow pendant]

yeah but DE could end up telling us that many were not his

[dark compass]

Just throwing around sales pitches and taking commissions

[clever linden]

But that’s dipping into conspiracy, everything we know about warframes indicates that he made most of them

[dark compass]

We never really saw the "intelligent bioengineer" side of his

[clever linden]

We sorta see the process in “the sacrifice” quest

[dark compass]

That's why I'm saying that it's something that might happen

Not that it's the truth

[clever linden]

But we need proof

[dark compass]

All I'm saying is that we don't have direct proof of him making frames

It's something DE can spin

[clever linden]

We have more for then against

And we don’t really know who made the Archins current hybridized forms but he probably did that too

[narrow pendant]

erra?

he just kinda grafted their heads to frames

pazuul did it himself to erras body

[clever linden]

He’s not a scientist, he’s a warlord.

Ballas also likely repaired Erra after his void damage from the old war

[narrow pendant]

could be, but its more likely erra did the work on the archons since base caliban is also made by erra

[clever linden]

But that’s a more elegant fusion

Plus he probably had help with that one

[blissful wraith]

AI would've been so better if it was made from growing nerve cells instead of wasting water and space for data centers

[dark compass]

Hey all I'm saying is that it's definitely possible at this point in the story

[clever linden]

Legit just do the Ex Machina movie thing lol

[narrow pendant]

that exists too but at a very early stage

[clever linden]

Eh, evidence matters more

Like, we could see more aliens after the Xenoflora, but there’s no signs of it

[dark compass]

I think no aliens rule has more weight than ballas sucks but he does it himself

[clever linden]

But we’ve already seen aliens, the Xenoflora

Soooooooo it’s possible

But not likely

That’s my point

[narrow pendant]

aliens font fit in the current story and i feel like the post-voidwar story will have more eternalism or deep void shenanigans than aliens suddenly arriving

[dark compass]

There are "possibilities"

And there are "jumping the shark"

[clever linden]

Exactly

[dark compass]

Making a reveal that balls is bullshitting and just operated on stolen fame isn't jumping the shark

That's just your average rich people thing

[clever linden]

But why does he know so much about warframes

[tawdry mantle]

yeuurr, so ima start this "the old peace" quest, so this a drifter or operator focused quest??

[clever linden]

Why does he claim to have made them despite hating them…why have that baggage

[narrow pendant]

i personally have a bad feeling that DE is hinting too much at Nitokh being alive and possibly ruling over tau

[dark compass]

It's the operator quest parallel to the hex

[clever linden]

I’d much prefer that

[tawdry mantle]

man, i want more operator/drifter interactions..

[pale cedar]

We don't actually see anyone making any frames, they're all frauds confirmed

[dark compass]

Yes

There was actually just one character making all warframes

[clever linden]

John Warframe

[dark compass]

And it's another protoframe romance character

And it's an orokin

[pale cedar]

We’re the only person shown making a frame

[dark compass]

It's a bootstrap paradox

[narrow pendant]

i do wonder if DE will ever go deeper with the infestations origins lore

we only know its been a thing well before 1999

[pale cedar]

Maybe

[narrow pendant]

i mean the helminth itself is already a sorta 4th dimensional being if counting time as the 4th dimension

[dark compass]

Inb4 infestation actually happens much later in the timeline and then it sends itself back into the past

[pale cedar]

If you bring up anything past 3D I have a headache

[narrow pendant]

ehh techrot is younger not just timeline wise but age wise

[dark compass]

Imagine having a whole new angle to yourself you never seen before

That you never bothered to look after

[narrow pendant]

orokin used archived techrot samples they then modified against the sentients which then spiraled into the mess we now got

[dark compass]

Hopefully infestation would be back on the menu once void war is over

And it seems to be coming to a conclusion

[narrow pendant]

i hope wally isnt like, killed in a way but rather tamed and can stick around

[pale cedar]

I don't think it’s ending with Tau 2026

[narrow pendant]

but i dont see albrecht surviving the void war finale his story feels too much sacrifice coded

[dark compass]

We will probably hug the evil kiddo and it'll be that

[pale cedar]

Kill Wally and take his power

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-regret-angry-sad-kitty-gif-7093329596738369604

[narrow pendant]

i think tau will play a major role in fixing and healing the evil things the orokin did which in turn will have an effect on wally

[dark compass]

Then it'll be another choice

To give it a name

[clever linden]

Narmer will also play a role hopefully

They see Tau as a holy land promised to them so they will probably crusade for it

[narrow pendant]

sirius vs orion fight but its lotus vs pazuul

[fast dew]

My biggest fear lowkey

I fear once he dies my lingering interest will fade

Not a big fan of that

[smoky gulch]

Then again, Teshin has death flags on every moment he shows up in story

Yet the old man still stands

[pale cedar]

Plot armour

Or ig now you could Argue Void armour

[dark compass]

More of a void robe

[dark compass]

I feel like

If Albrecht dies

They'll make sure to immortalize him in comms in some way

[fast dew]

Id be clinging onto the 2 quests we have that has him

[narrow pendant]

or they pull a "actually hes been doing even more across time and space"

so even if we see his death we can still have him as a character rergardless if they feel like it

[dark compass]

Someone has to continue making protoframes

[fast dew]

Xata...

[dark compass]

His life is attached to the most marketable cosmetics

[fast dew]

See ill just delude myself into thinking it was wally-albrecht who got ganked

[dark compass]

Quite a shield

[fast dew]

Its a strong one

[dark compass]

He survived getting metaphysically curb stomped by Wally

Itll take a lot to bring him down

[fast dew]

TRUE

XATA NUKE

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-martha-hand-time-lord-true-gif-14728743398009023919

[pale cedar]

Just throw Albrecht into the Void

[dark compass]

He already tried that

[fast dew]

Twice

[dark compass]

can't even die right

gives me conniptions

[pale cedar]

But third times the charm

[dark compass]

That's how Ash and Garuda were made, obviously

[pale cedar]

Being thrown in 3 times?

[dark compass]

I still can't get over how Garuda looked blue in the trailer

[pale cedar]

Totally isn’t Orokin

[dark compass]

Her concept shows she was in for 1999

But trailer made her look blue and idk what was that about

[fast dew]

Its the dark skin and the red light

[pale cedar]

Unless Garuda is the second Orokin framed but did an Albrecht

[dark compass]

Goddamn color theory

Scaring me with blue

[fast dew]

It looks blue because thats how blue looks in red light

But I guess thats also how her skin looks like in red light

Mixing my colours up 💔

[pale cedar]

Though I doubt an Orokin would be obsessed with a specific framed child

[safe stratus]

I wonder if the two new frames will have umbra sentience

[fast dew]

Doubt™

[dark compass]

Other protos don't

I don't see why they would

They will be available as railjack crewmates though

[pale cedar]

All frames have Umbra sentience as all frames have umbra sentience

Enjoy this paradox that you can only understand if you’re a lore person

[viscid seal]

This is lore related but it's more like a question. Sooo, with Archon Hunts, In the World of Warframe when you kill one when you are waiting for the next week are the Archons actually in their own made species, or are they slowly regenarating another shard in their bodies for the Tenno to collect? I feel like the shard is regenarating because it's a literal source of physical raw power, that it could regenerate itself with the Archons bringing their battles back in rotation. Genuine question out of curiosity how does the Archons respawn with their shards, unless the Narmer had a batch made of each one-

[pale cedar]

They are never actually killed we just take the battery out

[safe stratus]

Warframe is a lore second kind of game

[fast dew]

Uh. No.

Its not.

[viscid seal]

Oh ok! So it basically just regenerates itself then basically? We the player takes it and it just comes back in repeat form.

[fast dew]

Mmhm, that seems to be what happens

[viscid seal]

Oki cool. Thank you!

[pale cedar]

Or Pazuul gives them a new battery

He is the one Archon we never fight

[viscid seal]

Oooh yeah.. I forgot Pazuul existed in all honesty xD

[tawdry mantle]

so.. hold on..

since when were there "friendly sentients"..?

i thought they're the big bad dudes?

[pale cedar]

Since there was a peace treaty being set in motion

[smoky gulch]

IMO it's a tasty side dish - you don't have to eat it to enjoy the meal, but it adds to the flavour

[tawdry mantle]

bruh??

[pale cedar]

“Forged in celebration of the all-too-brief peace between the Orokin and Sentients, Caliban Prime is a true collaborative masterpiece. The heir of twin kingdoms arises in royal gold.”

Christmas ceasfire exists in Warframe without the Christmas

[tawdry mantle]

huh...

neat

[safe stratus]

All the retconning involved with Warframe and how lore things in the game only loosely justify the systems they add has made that clear over the 12+ years I’ve played the game

[knotty sundial]

Okay we see the KIM profile pics of like the protoframes right

do they see the glyph we selected?🤔

cause id be weirded out texting w someone who uses my face as their profile pic

[pale cedar]

There is almost 0 retcons new editions to the lore unless something prior states otherwise to the new thing means that it isn’t a retcon

[safe stratus]

Its a convenient way of soft retconning things, like the fact that we still have ‘warframe cryopods’ as defense targets that made sense in the old days, when warframes were just space ninjas in fancy suits

[tawdry mantle]

man, wally making me tweak out in this quest

[safe stratus]

At what point before Old Peace did they say that we and the orokin empire actually made it to Tau btw? Genuine question

[tawdry mantle]

i still wish we can whoop his ahh lol

[pale cedar]

Back in around 2014

Mag Prime codex

[tawdry mantle]

..dax are our enemies??

or "were"??

[pale cedar]

Anarch Dax are

They’re being funded by an Orokin

[safe stratus]

I read through it and don’t see what you’re talking about

[pale cedar]

Remember the Mag Prime in Old Peace?

Mag Prime codex talks about the blue Sun of Tau and the mag you see on the floor is that Mag

[safe stratus]

I’m not talking Old Peace, I’m talking prior to Old Peace that established that the Orokin empire successfully reached and colonized the Tau system like we see in Old Peace

[pale cedar]

They never managed to colonise Tau

Old Peace Ballas was the final vote so went to Tau

He was the final person to cast his vote and is why the War restarted using you

[safe stratus]

I guess ‘colonized’ can vary in how you define it, having Balas there with sufficient infrastructure for him to not die I would consider successful colonization, thinking back to how we define the British colonizing north america

[fast dew]

They never colonised it actually

[fast dew]

Id like to being up the matter that we cannot breathe in tau before the very end of the old peace

We have a mask for it

And

The infrastructure we do see is off in the moon's orbit

[safe stratus]

I guess its the difference between settling and colonizing, looking at how we define Antarctica

[fast dew]

The actual moon we see has very little infrastructure

Built for humans at least, the sentients have their own stuff

[pale cedar]

The only reason we were allowed to stay was because there was a temporary Ceasefire think Christmas Day ceasefire like in WW1 which DE directly stated the quest is based on

There was 0 colonisation in the quest

[strange turtle]

The only stuff we know was there is Tauron, which is basically a mix between a university, military installation and an embassy, and whatever other military facilities the Orokin may have had there

[safe stratus]

I’m just a dumb excalibur main who is still confused on why we have ‘warframe cryopod’ defense targets

[tall echo]

Ancient stuff they never change

[rigid compass]

We cant breath on perita plus the sentitent would get perita according to the treaty meaning it was unterraformable

And terraforming killed the plants likely due to the change in gas

[tall echo]

..yes

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[rigid compass]

They still was gonna get some planets

[tall echo]

[rigid compass]

Some for sentients some for orokin

So kinda was colonized

[tall echo]

When

[humble sierra]

They said Perita was 100% for the Sentients, but they didn't say anything about other planets or moons

[strange turtle]

We defend them to have them for ourselves and stop the other factions from getting them to dissect and stuff

[rigid compass]

We gotta protect the fodder Loki so he can go on to lose to a level 5 lancer

[strange turtle]

Ignore the guy in there just consider him a placeholder

[safe stratus]

As someone who started playing loki, I understand entirely

[rigid compass]

They wouldve said all of tau is the sentients then

[strange turtle]

Back in the day stopping them from getting our warframes was a major story thing

[humble sierra]

Yeah they weren't going to do that, the Orokin are still greedy

[tall echo]

Poor loki, a victim of pablo not understanding that rework doesn't mean turn into nuke

[rigid compass]

Thats why I said some for orokin some for sentients

[strange turtle]

It was a big part of the Operations plotline at the time

[safe stratus]

I just remember having to actually use Loki during void missions to switch teleport people to the secret rooms for more loot during void key runs

[queen shale]

So just how long ago is 1999 in this timeline?

[rigid compass]

1999

[tall echo]

Good question

[strange turtle]

11,000~ years at least

[humble sierra]

"?????? later"

[pale cedar]

Ballas should’ve just made a good Loki from the start he’s only good at being bad

[fast dew]

Over 10 thousands years

[rigid compass]

Larp

[rigid compass]

We dont know

[tall echo]

Nah that's chroma

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-orange-stewly-gif-14193106288143001787

[pale cedar]

In this timeline? Are you from a different timeline?

[rigid compass]

But its long enough to forget old earth history

[strange turtle]

Albrecht says the events in Hollvania would shape the future for the next 10,000 years or something along those lines, and we know from Varzia that between the Night of thr Naga Drums and the modern era there’s something around a thousand years

[fast dew]

We have a rough estimate.

[queen shale]

interesting

[tall echo]

Well, the orokin alexandria'd it rather than forget it

[fast dew]

The same thing happened to their knowledge, ironically

[tall echo]

History repeats

[rigid compass]

Might even be 40000 years
We would be in a war 40000 years from 1999 using sibear which is a warhammer

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[tall echo]

Thous

[rigid compass]

Really long

[pale cedar]

Looks more like a Thous2

[tall echo]

Couldn't find a flipped s

[pale cedar]

Maybe whoever wrote it has bad handwriting

[queen shale]

Wait does this mean that operator is like
Really old?
Considering old peace n stuff

[fast dew]

Albrecht? Yeah no his handwriting sucks

[tall echo]

Y es

[pale cedar]

1000+ years old

[queen shale]

Cryo does some crazy stuff

[strange turtle]

Chronologically yes, personally no

[queen shale]

We pulled an avatar aang

[tall echo]

Indeed

[humble sierra]

Pretty much

except we're not the last of our kind and almost all other Tenno were in the ice sphere with us

[tall echo]

Orb

[strange turtle]

Why didn’t Aang just hide all the airbenders from the Fire Benders in an iceberg, is he stupid?

[tall echo]

Hmm
Zorba
Z-orb-a
Ze orb-a
Omg zorba is just an italian death orb

[pale cedar]

Aang managed to change the last air bender title by helping make another Airbender

[humble sierra]

Zorba Mate

[tall echo]

Green

[pale cedar]

Why didn’t he take all the air benders to the moon on flying bison

Margulis figured this out but Aang didn’t

[humble sierra]

Didn't want to bother Sokka's ex

[pale cedar]

Almost forgot she became the moon

[strange turtle]

Why didn’t Sokka just ask Aang to fly him to the Moon on Appa to see her instead of breaking up, is he stupid?

[tall echo]

The frank sinatra solution

[dark compass]

She has too many responsibilities for a healthy relationship

[rigid compass]

RAAAAAAAAAAH THE YERBA MATE GUY

[rigid compass]

I still dont understand where people get the "operator can age they just been in cryo stasis though"

We still just dont have a timeline good enough and if they've been outside their somatic pods long enough

[strange turtle]

Because of Rell

[pale cedar]

We have evidence of a Tenno aging

[rigid compass]

what does he do though

[pale cedar]

He aged

We don’t know how long we can live for but we know we can age

[rigid compass]

I know he perma transference to harrow cause lotus never put him in the dream

[pale cedar]

He did that because he knew aging would undo his purpose

[rigid compass]

How do we know its not something else that would kill him

[strange turtle]

There! An emotion, manifest from the game Rell played as a child

Lotus: "How could Rell have lived this long? Without the long dream?"

Palladino: "In a way, he didn't. He knew his mortality would undo his purpose, so he gave up his humanity, forever. He committed his soul to the undying vessel—"

Lotus: "His warframe."

Palladino: "Yes. He commanded we chain it within the depths of the sacred temple. An eternal vigil against the Indifference."

[pale cedar]

We don’t know what would kill him but his issue was the concept of aging

[rigid compass]

😭 yo this was the first mention of the indifference

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[strange turtle]

Wait a minute

Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as 'The Man In The Wall'.

With Rell's death, that responsibility has now transferred to the Tenno.

xx CRITICAL DEVELOPMENT xx

'The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.

Even DE forgot 😭

[pale cedar]

Huh?

What was forgotten?

[rigid compass]

Forgot he wasnt cast out ig

[strange turtle]

Palladino: "Yes. He commanded we chain it within the depths of the sacred temple. An eternal vigil against the Indifference."

Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as 'The Man In The Wall'.
————————
'The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.

[pale cedar]

Seems fine to me

[fleet furnace]

palladino calling it the indifference, while the operator report (i think?) calls it the man in the wall, then also mentioning that theyre the same

[pale cedar]

Operator report backs up that statement confirming again they’re the same

Hence the identical message at the bottom

[ocean geyser]

I think the point is that DE used “The Indifference” once and then didn’t use it again till Whispers
As if they forgot they had the name

[pale cedar]

That’s not forgetting though

[fleet furnace]

yeah think its the only time pre wispers that wallys called that

[pale cedar]

They can use any name and it is the same

They used Indifference in 2022

Before Whispers

[fast dew]

Wasnt there a whole issue of people thinking they aren't the same

[pale cedar]

Quinn calls him the Indifference when you rank up to 5

[fleet furnace]

i think the thing is she calls it the indifference, where as the report uses wally, and that DE forgot which name they had her use

[pale cedar]

Report says both

Report tells people they’re the same to help mitigate confusion

DE never forgot it

[woven coyote]

Rell also uses man in the wall

[pale cedar]

Yeah, they use both because both are valid names when talking about Wally

[woven coyote]

Yknow had totally forgotten wally had used this

[pale cedar]

Did the little piggy let him in?

[woven coyote]

Its among the lines when you are breaking the chains

[pale cedar]

Looks like he didn’t get in then

Still trapped in the wall

[woven coyote]

Yup

[brittle siren]

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FixupX · Apr 30, 2026, 11:01 AM

[rigid compass]

Wasn't this operator

[woven coyote]

That quote is from chains of harrow

And yeah operator does that line in old peace

[rigid compass]

Was he quoting us then? Ik old peace came later but still

Like he said that to mock us

[woven coyote]

Could be wallys line originally

Same way rap tap tap is just wally's incessant tapping

[rigid compass]

Nah id trademark it - operator

[rigid compass]

Tapping on what

The wall?

[woven coyote]

Yup

Or whatever is available really

Even the finger on the reliquary drive does it

[rigid compass]

Also whats the albrecht membrane i forgot where I heard it from or wtv

[fleet furnace]

iirc its the barrier between void and realspace

[strange plinth]

mhm
its what the zariman is plugging a hole in

[fast dew]

You would've heard it from Angels yeah

[smoky gulch]

I wouldn't listen to angels, honestly - their song gets into your head

Holdfasts are another story~

[fast dew]

Mm, different experiences with angels mine personally tell me to crash out on the next particularly dense person who comes into the chat

[tall echo]

[pale cedar]

Mine tells me to make the dense people dig their own grave

Something something once you use insults you’ve lost

[narrow pendant]

stupid observation that has no real plot relevance:
protoframe batch sizes: 6 -> 4 -> 3 -> 2
its decaying by two thirds each batch is the decay wallys work

[stiff fable]

decaying BY one third, two-thirds is the remnant

But yes, absolutely

[narrow pendant]

well technically its less "less content each batch" this time around bc sirius and orion will probably be able to talk, they just are not protos

[rigid compass]

Didnt it go from 6 to 3

Now 2

[strange plinth]

no?

[narrow pendant]

round table

from techrot encore

[strange plinth]

hex > roundtable > triad > mentors

[rigid compass]

Right isnt roundtable neci and her parents but who else?

[strange plinth]

Vel, Min, Kaya, Flare

[rigid compass]

Who?

Frost nova saryn and what else

[strange plinth]

Velimir, frost proto
Minerva, saryn proto
Kaya, nova proto
Flare, temple proto

[rigid compass]

Wait is neci rusulka not the saryn proto 😭

[strange plinth]

no

[rigid compass]

She looked like it in hex

[strange plinth]

hence why they made her adoptive mother the saryn proto

[rigid compass]

So she's not even a proto?

How is she tanking rpgs

[strange plinth]

man in the wall

he's possessing her throughout the quest
and takes her into isleweaver

[pale cedar]

She was never planned to be Saryn Proto leakers just assumed

[fast dew]

You know i dont think folk talk about how Velimir and Minerva lowkey kidnapped a kid

[pale cedar]

The better question is

How did the bike tank RPGs?

[strange plinth]

yea they did just kinda. take her

[fast dew]

After probably killing her parents lowkey

[ashen pulsar]

good bike

[stiff fable]

Look pre-2000s tech was just better

Yes that Gameboy that got blown up during Desert Storm still works

[woven coyote]

benevolent upgrades

[pale cedar]

@fast dew
Where are the sticky notes?

[narrow pendant]

yes the nokia in the sanctum actually wasnt taken to the future it withstood all that time

[pale cedar]

Perfect

[celest needle]

Albrecht looking out for the handicapped and disabled

[woven coyote]

The benevolently just gets me lol

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, my favourite Albrecht quote

[stiff fable]

I love that Albrecht hates LCD screens

[fast dew]

Tbf they are. Kinda bad lol

They have uses yeah

But liquid crystal displays have. A lot of issues

[woven coyote]

"Stopping power is as important as STOPPING power" lol

[rigid compass]

Not leaks I mean in the quest (which i did a few weeks ago) she legit looked like she was saryn proto. She had those things saryn has on her shoulders

[narrow pendant]

[tall echo]

but what about stopping POWER, albrecht

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-oh-my-god-bruh-anime-higuruma-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-oh-my-god-gif-11869482306285853546

[fast dew]

As in the horse power? The insane 220hp?

[tall echo]

no like
overthrowing the government

[dire mountain]

Thematic or slight visual similarities can just coexist without being related

[rigid compass]

Me when warframe discord people make 292872 conjectures and treat them as fact

[fast dew]

The is the base atomicycle even legal question comes up again

[celest needle]

Are the Argon meals and Big Bytes pizza safe to eat considering they've been sitting in techrot and scaldra zones for potentially hours?

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/insane-clown-posse-icp-violent-j-mirror-morning-gif-27578516

[rigid compass]

Bro are u really gonna tell me that they gonna make protos and make non protos that look similar to a frame and im expected to think they aint a proto

[pale cedar]

She looks nothing like Saryn Proto

[tall echo]

I do not suggest eating noble gases

[rigid compass]

No one brought up saryn proto bro

[tall echo]

wh

[rigid compass]

Im saying she looked like saryn to me and I thought SHE was the saryn proto

[tall echo]

oh no short-term memory loss

[stiff fable]

Yes

[rigid compass]

I aint mention the actual proto im talking about neci and saryn not Minerva

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[stiff fable]

Neci doesn't actually look like Saryn at all

[rigid compass]

To me

[fast dew]

Yeah she looks nothing like Saryn

[celest needle]

Says who?

[fast dew]

Please go look at Saryn again

[rigid compass]

I swear yall cant read but tell me i cant

[tall echo]

I

[stiff fable]

if you look at what Saryn looks like vs. your head telling you what Saryn should look like

It's like people saying Garuda Proto was going to be Nitohk

Once that turned into a meme in the non-funny sense, EVERY Nitohk mention was confirmation of Nitohk being Garuda proto

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cows-touch-grass-eat-hungry-devour-gif-5498346458481352488

[strange plinth]

Neci's whole thing during the quest (apart from being possessed) is that she hates the techrot and believes the hex are terrorists infected by it
her becoming a proto doesn't make sense there, either

[rigid compass]

From like first time I saw her on the tank or wtv it was zoomed in and the thing on her right arm made me think she was saryn

[fast dew]

Shout out to neci successfully managing to convince folk Albrecht spread techrot originally

[normal mountain]

I actually laughed when Minerva was revealed
Because it meant Rusalka wasn't Saryn
I laughed harder when she was confirmed not romanceable

[stiff fable]

again, actually go look at Saryn

Saryn has two identical arms

[rigid compass]

Omg bro yall love argueing with me when im not even disagreeing with u istg

[dire mountain]

YES I'm on my hater shit for ideas I don't like

Celebrating when Vena was not blue

[fast dew]

The scream i let out when I saw her

[normal mountain]

I wouldn't have minded it
Except the devs repeatedly said she wasn't Saryn
And everyone just ignored them

[stiff fable]

The entire trailer for the Round Table was just awesome

should have been in the game lol

[normal mountain]

I'll be honest, I was more focused on the fact THEY COME FROM THE FUTURE

[pale cedar]

Round table

Where’s King Arthur?

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/warframe-warframe-1999--k01KQFSCKBAGXQ8GBJGXF37FE64

[rigid compass]

The round table arent in the game? Are they just lore and skins?

[stiff fable]

There's a trailer lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRrLLI_bzFo

[pale cedar]

Arthur should’ve been round table

[celest needle]

Dude what are you talking about

[stiff fable]

It's the actual prequel to them showing up in the game

[strange plinth]

yea there's an intro trailer for the roundtable that isn't in the game for some reason
they just show up

[rigid compass]

I havent touched hex since I did the quest

[dire mountain]

"Similar" and it's like the most nebulous similarities ever

[rigid compass]

RAAAAAAHHHHHH

[celest needle]

Not even the true ending?

[rigid compass]

Sonion I got 0 galvanized mods I got bigger fish to fry

[dire mountain]

Garuda has better connections to nitokh than neci to saryn 😭

[rigid compass]

Also u cant really call it the true ending?

[strange plinth]

> in lore discussion
> repeatedly doesn't play anything after the quest

[fast dew]

What.

[normal mountain]

You're expected to believe the devs when they say someone is or isn't something
They said Neci wasn't Saryn

[celest needle]

It's only a daily Kim convo and a gift

[tall echo]

it literally is

[fast dew]

Jesus christ

Christ on a pogostick

[rigid compass]

True would mean its like an alternate ending like the bomb going off never happened though

[dire mountain]

The finale is though that's kinda the whole point actually its what the ending of the main quest was saying

[stiff fable]

I love the Techrot Encore promo because it implies that the Hex's first intro to the RT quad is Flare 360 spinkicking into the mall while doing a glam rock scream

[tall echo]

well

[normal mountain]

...
that's an image that'll linger

[fast dew]

This chat aged me more in the last months than any past experience ive had

[pale cedar]

My non brother in the eternal Void

It’s literally called the true ending

[stiff fable]

But also yes, Hex Finale is the literal, actual ending to the main Hex quest

Which is the BAD ending

[fast dew]

You'll never guess what happened

[rigid compass]

So technically albrecht never comes?

[fast dew]

Albrecht never was in the second loop

[strange plinth]

he left during the first attempt at new years, he doesn't show up for the second

[stiff fable]

No, he does, the Hex quest is an early bad end, in visual novel terms

[fast dew]

Second visual loop at least

[pale cedar]

Ghost voice Albrecht

[stiff fable]

He does narrate the outro though so he's there in spirit lol

[fast dew]

Spooky ghost Albrecht voices
– mother when she enters the void

[celest needle]

Ghost of New Years eve

[stiff fable]

Ghost of New Year's Futures Past

[rigid compass]

Im not saying it cant be a true ending. Im saying its looping and u stop the bomb in hex finale but the bomb did go off and the previous loops and hex deaths did happen. Just that u loop and are successful. Unless the hex ending never happens and to the hex characters they stopped the bomb without it ever going off and they didnt ever die and they arent looping.

[stiff fable]

The Hex Finale is you OVERWRITING the original end of the quest

[strange plinth]

who has the palimpsest

[stiff fable]

The Hex actually freak out in chat because they suddenly have two sets of memories of it

[tall echo]

"events can be changed, traces of the original persist"

[pale cedar]

2. What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?

A. Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist (correct)

B. Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased

[fast dew]

2. What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?

A. Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist (correct)

B. Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased

DAMMIT

Mines formatted prettier

[rigid compass]

But that would mean its not the "true" ending. True implies the other ending is false but both did happen. One ending is bad amd one is good but both would have happened and be true

[stiff fable]

No, it didn't happen, because you changed how that specific loop ended

[dire mountain]

And every loop going forward

[stiff fable]

(Also the loop isn't about preventing the bomb, it's about preventing Wally from changing the ending to be even worse)

[rigid compass]

We overwrote it yes but the bomb did happen at one point

[tall echo]

bit of both

[fast dew]

Daily reminder the bomb wasn't caused by Albrecht

[stiff fable]

No, you simply remember the bomb happening

[tall echo]

not after you do the finale

[stiff fable]

It no longer happened

Time travel, amirite

[strange plinth]

time travel shenanigans are the worst /s
i hate describing them. its like i need a visual to explain them well

[stiff fable]

also I just realized, I thought the KIM system doing one thing to the main game started with the Round Table, of course it started with the original Hex

[fast dew]

I could draw em to help but I am. Lazy

[stiff fable]

Hex just require rank 3 instead of max to do their thing

[rigid compass]

What I'm saying is that its not "true ending" as in the other never happens. The other event happens but u overwrote it with what u wanted and that would be a good ending but both wouldve occurred to us and thus are "true" but if u looked at a timeline of it after the event u would just see the good ending cause the bad one gets overwritten

Okay so the bad ending js just a "dream"

[stiff fable]

The other has now never happened

[fast dew]

Pretty much

[strange plinth]

the traces left behind are the memories of it

[dire mountain]

It happened but the event got overwritten

[rigid compass]

Yes

[dire mountain]

So actually, it didn't

[rigid compass]

Pretty much yeah

I just have an issue with calling the good ending "true ending" when its more like a continuation of the hex quest and just fixing ur mistakes / retrying the mission after a training arc

[dire mountain]

Is that not what a true ending usually entails

[stiff fable]

By basically every definition, it's a true ending. In RPG terms, in visual novel terms, choose your own adventure story terms, it works exactly like a true ending

[dire mountain]

Play through and you don't do (thing) because you didn't know but now you gotta go back through with that knowledge

[stiff fable]

Like, it's an entire thing in certain VNs that you have to get the bad ending before the true ending

Sometimes it's even because the character needs to learn specific information from a first iteration before doing it again

[rigid compass]

No? A true ending is like a game with multiple endings like hollow knight. 1-4 are endings u can get, they never happened, 5 is the one that happens. Hex is more like bad ending -> good ending rather than final mission leads to bad ending if u mess up and good if u succeed

[stiff fable]

Ehhhh... not really.

[rigid compass]

I dont think yall know what a true ending is

[stiff fable]

Ever play Nier?

I'd ask if you played Drakengard but I can tell what the answer would be

[rigid compass]

I got like the 1st ending of nier automata and dropped it

[dark compass]

Hex ending where everyone survives is a true ending because it's how you get to the actual "mission complete" screen

[fast dew]

Theres no real true ending in HK you know that right

[stiff fable]

Ah but see, you understand how they handle the true ending

[rigid compass]

U know there is bro as of silksong

[stiff fable]

Also yes your example is terrible lol

[fast dew]

Theres the true ending, being Voidheart

[rigid compass]

For nier? No I dont

[stiff fable]

pffft

[fast dew]

But theres also the two separate godhome endings

[rigid compass]

Tf is voidheart thats not an ending in hollow knight

[dark compass]

The only true ending here is this conversation ending and me emerging victorious upon a pile of corpses

[fast dew]

Real..

[rigid compass]

U aint conquest during the purge bro chill

[stiff fable]

To get Nier's true ending you need to replay four times

[fast dew]

You. Really don't know what Voidheart is?

[stiff fable]

With the last one permanently erasing your save file

[pale cedar]

The only true ending is death

[rigid compass]

Ik but I never did but also I heard its endings were continuation off the previous ending

[rigid compass]

Not what the endings are called though

[stiff fable]

They are not, no

[fast dew]

Its. The community name

Because of the requirement needed

[stiff fable]

They're alternate endings, but you need to progress through them in order

[dark compass]

No but I'm just as lonely

[rigid compass]

Like the 4 endings are called void heart? Cause they all have names

[fast dew]

No???

The "true" ending is nicknamed voidheart

Because. Of the voidheart charm required to do it

[pale cedar]

[rigid compass]

Bro theres 1st ending forgot the name
Second ending called sealed siblings
Third dream no more
Embrace the void for 4 and 5

I have never heard anyone call the endings voidheart

[fast dew]

Oh dear god

[rigid compass]

Dear god? Dude u dont even know the ending names and ur lecturing me

[fast dew]

Dude no

[rigid compass]

Dude yes

[fast dew]

Voidheart refers to the ending required for two endings, its not the official name

[pale cedar]

Just search Voidheart

[rigid compass]

Which?

[fast dew]

Are you gonna argue with the dude who's 100% both games

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hollow-knight-bugs-hollow-knight-bugs-fight-hollow-knight-fight-gif-4796561906590749259

[rigid compass]

Idc if u did bro u can still be wrong about stuff and also just say the ending name. Talking about some "voidheart"

[fast dew]

Christ

Christ on a stick

[dark compass]

Wouldn't it be on a nail

[rigid compass]

A crucifix?

[celest needle]

Roasted?

[pale cedar]

Christ on a Crucifix this is something

[rigid compass]

Sonion

[fast dew]

Void heart. As in the charm. Refers to the community name for the base pure ending. While its also called dream no more, its also nicknamed the Voidheart ending. Its not the official name.

I know its not the official name

Notably