lore-discussion

[fast dew]

5 years, compared to Steve's.. what. 7?

[humble sierra]

Rebb is also known for just blurting stuff out sometimes

[fast dew]

I literally experienced this first hand lol

Shout out rebb for making nighttime even harder

[hollow lava]

Its literally the entire premise. They both came to our time to capture Stalker and bring him back to theirs....

She literally said this

[fast dew]

Yeah.

As one

Her word doesn't mean shit unless its in an official interview checked over by the writing team.

She is one woman. She can get things wrong.

You generally rely on the writing team for their approval with statements said by her

[hollow lava]

Does this look like one to you

[fast dew]

Brother that

[feral cape]

This does not look like the writing team

[fast dew]

Thats not the writing team

[hollow lava]

They both have ships and arrived with the same goal

[fast dew]

Thats pablo

[pale cedar]

I think we should wait for for the update to release or more devstream info before making a judgment call

[humble sierra]

I do think they'll be coexisting, but I don't think it'll be a peaceful coexistence and reality will tear itself apart

symbolically like how they're tearing each other apart

And then at the end of the quest we do therapy and then fix reality and make them one

[fast dew]

The.
The ships belong to the protos

Who can exist there

[hollow lava]

She literally says they both traveled from there timeline to get him

[fast dew]

Yeah, as one.

[hollow lava]

Which is why they are fighting

[feral cape]

To be frank if theyre fron the future they could like maybe have technology to prevent that somehow

[hollow lava]

Its literally this simple

[drowsy saddle]

-# that's not the science team! Hyaaaa!

[fast dew]

Like how operator and drifter exists

[hollow lava]

There's no nuance

[fast dew]

Wdym there's no nuance???

[blissful wraith]

what?

[hollow lava]

Theyre both existing

[fast dew]

Its the laws of physics

[drowsy saddle]

Media literacy is dead, billions must die

[hollow lava]

And trying to bring him back

As in plural

[fast dew]

Wdym it has no nuance it literally cannot

The rules of eternalism states that they physically cannot exist in the same slot of spacetime.

[loud oriole]

i chose the wrong reply but joke name for the combo singular warframe of Orion/Sirius lol

[normal mountain]

Here's an idea:
How about we wait for the quest to drop before we argue about whether Sirius and Orion can exist as separate entities

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Idk its a pretty open shut case

[drowsy saddle]

Usually custody battles are between the parents over the child, this time its the other way around

[humble sierra]

Tbf it seems like Drifter and Operator briefly are able to coexist in the origin system, but tap out to avoid any issues. Orion and Sirius could just not avoid those issues

[fast dew]

Mm, they can coexist in void saturated areas

[radiant pier]

aren't they only blue to exist at the same time in the sanctum and other similar areas

[drowsy saddle]

D and O swap places, and hangout where the line is blurred

[radiant pier]

I remember a message about it the game sends ya

[humble sierra]

Does the Zariman count? Because Drifter was phasing out then

[hollow lava]

I dunno, seems to me they can

[fast dew]

Void saturated area

[normal mountain]

Void and Void-saturated areas, yeah

[fast dew]

Ive been stating this.

They are literally on the cusp of the void

[loud oriole]

entrati labs are quite literally the door mat at the door to the void

[fast dew]

Mhm, it does

[dark compass]

A massive cliff to the void

[humble sierra]

Ah

[dark compass]

Near enough to the void

[fast dew]

Void saturated

[humble sierra]

Oh yeah I guess they physically can't be in the same place, which explains why Baro couldn't leave the Void while Orab was there

[fast dew]

Void or void saturated

Orab..

Abrad........

[humble sierra]

BackwardsBaro

[fast dew]

OHHHH

[unkempt talon]

Orab okay that's actually a good reverse name

[pale cedar]

The Baro at Halloween was Wally not another Baro

Wally killed the other Baro

[fast dew]

Nemesis why would wally be spooked

Generally not a wally thing to do

[drowsy saddle]

Like how nikanas are named after the padawan destroyer 9000?

[pale cedar]

Trick or treat

[unkempt talon]

I actually forgot about that

[humble sierra]

Wally combined the Baros into one perfect being, kinda leaving room for interpretation that while there's one perfect being there's an imperfect one too

[fast dew]

Or pulled a wally

A. Wally as in made a second dude for shits and giggles

Chat rq is it ordan karrish or karris

I forgor

[pale cedar]

Karris

[fast dew]

Danke

[unkempt talon]

Karris

[dark compass]

Ordan Caries

[fast dew]

Thank you lol

[humble sierra]

Karrish is the executor

[unkempt talon]

other is close to the name of the one Executor

[pale cedar]

Karishh is the dead Orokin

[unkempt talon]

who was eaten by Grendel

[loud oriole]

Ordish sounds like a pokemon

[humble sierra]

Ah two hh one r

[fast dew]

My mate had a dream that Albrecht cheated on loid with a mercenary so my unhelpful ass is gonna mention Ordan

[humble sierra]

Through eternalism all things are true

[fast dew]

Xata...

[drowsy saddle]

RoatheEternalismRant.png

[fast dew]

Oh and Albrecht got pregnant

This is a reoccurring thing for them

[fast dew]

But yes continue

[unkempt talon]

Karishh was a big bastard, in a world where you can change how you look this bastard chose to look like this and to have extra stomachs grafted onto himself

[drowsy saddle]

If only we could get dyno to auto post this whenever someone mentions eternalism

[dark compass]

Actual origin of Qorvex

[fast dew]

Xata..................

Xata nuke

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[drowsy saddle]

Going medieval look of wealth and excess

[fast dew]

Nodders

[humble sierra]

Dune too

[drowsy saddle]

Why do you think the kings of England were fat? Cause it showed of that they got all da food

[fast dew]

Hes not that ugly tbh

I have horrendous taste.

[dark compass]

Got that orangutan build

[fast dew]

HE DOES

[pale cedar]

Albrecht can't decide if he wants to be fat or skinny

[unkempt talon]

https://tenor.com/view/orangutan-rizz-kiss-gif-5596106846175069300

[drowsy saddle]

Gotta ask why have the legs anymore when he's got a custom archwing to float him around

[fast dew]

Hes so real for that

[unkempt talon]

I guess so he can sit?

[fast dew]

Me when my weight is a disaster because I eat like a rat but estrogen™ likes to keep weight 💔

Oh but lets introduce testosterone i say

[dark compass]

Expensive shoes

[fast dew]

Do you not hold your legs for comfort sometimes

Im gonna go mess up that tiramisu i have in my fridge tho

[dark compass]

Good luck

🫡

[pale cedar]

If you have no legs when you land something terrible would happen

[fast dew]

ITS COLD

[woven coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/sangyeon-the-boyz-tbz-punching-giddy-up-gif-19045718

[fast dew]

Tasty tho

Can pregnant people have coffee... would jade like tiramisu...

[pale cedar]

Only one way to find out

[cunning ore]

For a mother diet, should not drink coffee and tiramisu should not be eaten much

[brittle siren]

https://fixupx.com/hjemdg/status/2048413143177551926?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

Karo♦ (@Hjemdg)

Stalker receives a strange message #warframefanart

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FixupX · Apr 26, 2026, 2:45 PM

[cunning ore]

Okay, i didn't pick..Orion so-

[split quartz]

Stalker's a bum confirmed ⁉️

[zenith ore]

Didn't he take his son to the moon and raised him there

[pale cedar]

ORION
04/24/26 15:15

YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

SEE YOU IN JUNE, DEADBEAT
-THE SON YOU DIDN’T PICK

[cunning ore]

His father already a consequence to me. Ans now his son

Such a consequence of another consequence

[pale cedar]

Either way, there's a son that wasn't picked

[celest needle]

Ballas should've just killed the two while he had a chance 🥀

butterfly effect is crazy

[twin wigeon]

why

Jades energy has executed several criminals

Stalker is a trusted assassin

[brittle siren]

https://fixupx.com/mskyerzz/status/2047931248887189687?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

Mike Skyers (@MSkyerzz)

I don't think I have the words to describe how awesome it's been to see @thelinestudio interpret my designs for Sirius and Orion with such awesome style. I can't wait for everyone to see them in game.

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FixupX · Apr 25, 2026, 6:50 AM

This is kinda official design for them

[fast dew]

Albeit not a detailed one

[brittle siren]

Yeah it was made for the trailer

Can't wait for in-game design

Also pls make them have a passive that auto wins against Stalker like Jade (and Acolyte too pls)

I also find interested that Orion/Sirius has 2 sets of eyes

[rigid compass]

They get that from hunhow obviously

[brittle siren]

Huh

[dire mountain]

They're just making that up about ordan

Scoria were also at least allegedly destroyed along with the Orokin so like

Ash was their patron saint or figurehead or whatever you wanna call it

[celest needle]

Okay but

how would Vena be related to kuva?

[dire mountain]

Garuda -> blood -> "the old blood" -> kuva

[celest needle]

But then just call her

the blood witch or something

[stiff fable]

Garuda's blueprint requires Kuva to make

[dire mountain]

Not as cool

[hollow lava]

Her ship is called the Kuva Wytch

Blood, Kuva...she like Blood lol

Red liquid

[celest needle]

Reasonable what was stopping the orokin from just making every frame have void effects

[pale cedar]

Nothing

[cunning ore]

🙁 It sad that i have to wait for June to touch proto Garuda

[dark compass]

She will never replace my beloved Garuda Hinsa

[narrow pendant]

note that it was able to swiftly deal with even warframes

[twin wigeon]

as well as atleast 1 face

[narrow pendant]

hi wrist mounted jade light warframe hunter guy from unlisted ivara collector figure trailer

[twin wigeon]

[woven coyote]

Dagath wasnt jade light in case you are thinking that

Just literal industrial laser drill

[narrow pendant]

jade light wouldve erased her entirely

[strange turtle]

Lack of a need to, since until The Messy Peace they could just have the Operator pop out and cap the Sentient before hopping back in

[twin wigeon]

it wasnt, wow... that orokin couple couldnt even give her that justice

yonta also killed herself with a jade light

[strange turtle]

Also like, do we even have a Warframe that does just Void stuff normally? Xaku has the whole lost in Void and reassembled thing, and Dante’s using a Grimoire and Requiems

Idr any others

[woven coyote]

Master of industry, and facility disposal heap

They just literally tried to have her disposed of

[twin wigeon]

breh

[woven coyote]

Just a good old nondescript industrial beam

[twin wigeon]

not even a glue factory

[woven coyote]

Lol

[twin wigeon]

[celest needle]

"we're out of jade light, give her the superman treatment."

[hollow lava]

Watch Sirius have a "Hammer of Dawn" Jade light move lol

"Annnnnnd they're gone"

Ash, is ashy

[narrow pendant]

i wonder if they give them umbra sentience when in operator

[hollow lava]

They could just be like the Protos and have voices when you use transference

They should be able to speak

[narrow pendant]

yeah but theyre quest rewards/ grindable not paid skins so sentience wouldnt be a paid advantage

[hollow lava]

I mean if they have that, most players will want something to turn that off like on Umbra

[narrow pendant]

yeah it should be a toggle not a forced aug like umbra

[hollow lava]

I think they'll have different passives and ultimates but the kit overall will likely have the same casting animation but do different things

[narrow pendant]

honestly they could make it really simple by you choosing them to be sentient by just double tapping or holding transference when exiting

[hollow lava]

Or just an on/off switch on the load outs

[tall echo]

phrasing

[hollow lava]

Well they won't have KIM so

[brave robin]

used more code to make this

[hollow lava]

Is that from the trailer?

[brave robin]

yeah

[dire mountain]

ITS CALLED THE MYRMIDON

[hollow lava]

Thats so dope

[brave robin]

key framesI just added the hex codes

[tall echo]

the what codes

[narrow pendant]

victor voice: RRRRAAATS IN MY CITY

[brave robin]

Also I compiled a shit ton of the circle from the impact frames

Yay bleeding orb

[hollow lava]

Orb pieces everywhere

[tall echo]

finally,
blorb

[hollow lava]

I just love how Sirius and Orion look like Knights

They absolutely cooked

[tall echo]

interesting how only one of them keeps the "eyes" from the baby form

[celest needle]

outside of the red wth did Sirius take from their parents 😭

[tall echo]

...the red

orion doesn't have much from his parents either

[round crest]

Are there people deciphering audio stuff from the trailer?

[celest needle]

where did the bat ears come from???

[round crest]

Whatever was found in the trailer’s frames

[magic storm]

Orion's head-wings look closer to actual wings than Sirius. That's... About it.

[pallid spoke]

Sirius has angel wings instead.

It's very clearly meant to be angel/devil theming.

[brave robin]

There helms are closed here

[main geyser]

can kaya return back to 1999 and back to orokin system at will now?

it sounded like she returned when she spoke during this week's ETA for me

[hollow lava]

Helmet opens like Jade

[hollow lava]

There isn't any, I'd expect an ARG after the devstream in May

I also have a feeling Sirius will be a Paladin

"Brightest Star"

[magic storm]

Paladin vs Dark Knight 😄

[round crest]

I thought I saw something like we had it for Zariman update

When people deciphered puzzles

[hollow lava]

It also has me hoping they give Stalker a rework

Dude is in dire need of one

Neck down hes Excalibur. The kids got upgraded lol

[pallid spoke]

I doubt they'll change Stalker's model.

[celest needle]

Oberon would like a word

[pallid spoke]

He's supposed to look like a "evil version of the posterboy character".

[hollow lava]

They did in Second Dream

They can do it again

He definitely deserves it

[pallid spoke]

I'm talking his base design, that's just additional details.

Didn't realize that's what you were referring to.

[hollow lava]

They can add plenty of new details

Or just give him Shadow again.

With the armor set

Hunhow can give em his gift back lol

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[main geyser]

awesome

[pale cedar]

Her post KIM dialogue in the mall mentions that in fact

[main geyser]

I don't have any dialogs after that day. It's been like 2 days

thatr's why I ask here

[pale cedar]

Have you visited her in the Mall?

[main geyser]

for ETA only

I see what you mean

[normal mountain]

I may be alone here
But I like the regular Stalker better
I was super happy he returned to his original kit with Protector

Big hurking sword never fit the Stalker imo

[versed grotto]

Do guys think we might get to see what happens to the 3rd orb mother in the next major update?

[fleet furnace]

yeah they mentioned therell be lore to what happened to the 3rd orb scattered about when the update drops

[hollow lava]

I think having a vanilla Excalibur body is just so plain

At least go back to Shadow Stalker

Its Umbra's design

[celest needle]

its iconic now

[versed grotto]

They did? I didn't hear that part during the dev stream

[hollow lava]

Its really not though.

Its boring

[twin wigeon]

nah stalkers base excal body is so iconic

[hollow lava]

I much prefer this

Its Umbra with the armor set and a loincloth

Id rather go back to that

10 year anniversary for Second Dream is this December

[twin wigeon]

something about being hunted by an assassin that resembles one of the first frames you use is just peak

also that looks nothing like umbra

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-umbra-gif-19388420

[hollow lava]

Its literally Umbral

[twin wigeon]

nah you only like the Hunhow armor

[hollow lava]

Same elbows

Same chest

[twin wigeon]

mmm not seeing it at all

still looks like reg excal

[versed grotto]

I think they changed design because that's when he had the war when hunhow was empowering him idk

[restive river]

Stalker uses a similar scarf thing to Umbra and he literally just uses the excal model which is what Umbra is

[restive river]

The second dream, not the war within

[twin wigeon]

Umbruh just got a special helmet and some special umbral pieces on stuff

[restive river]

Hunhow empowered stalker with fragments of himself

[hollow lava]

Literally the same details just to scarf

[dire mountain]

Shadow stalker does take elements from excalibur umbra

[restive river]

Did you not know that stalker has an excal body?

[dire mountain]

Sometimes it seems

[restive river]

He does have the same sorta scarf thing

[dire mountain]

Where are his arm spikes

[versed grotto]

War within was the part when the introduced kuva and the Queens not stalker

[hollow lava]

He has the exact same details they removed the U ordimentz though

[twin wigeon]

yep, second dream was when shadow stalker was aaround

[restive river]

Yeah sorry i misread your message as the war within lol
But yes it’s the second dream

[versed grotto]

Nah your good lol

[restive river]

Stalker has an Excal body lol

[hollow lava]

And Shadow Stalker has Umbra's

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure the body of stalker has never changed btwn versions

[hollow lava]

It has

[twin wigeon]

so its always has been normal excal

otherwise that wouldnt make the slightest sense lorewise

[hollow lava]

Umbra details

Without a scarf

[twin wigeon]

stalker has the same excal body with with some special pieces to make it look unique to him

[hollow lava]

And Shadow Stalker has Umbral Excals body

[restive river]

It’s just the scarf thing lol

[hollow lava]

Remove the scarf and its Shadow Stalker, thats why players wanted to remove it

[restive river]

Stalker doesn’t have Umbra pieces cause Umbra didn’t exist yet when he was made, maybe he was a concept but that’s about it
The fabric bit and being excal are the only connections

[hollow lava]

Its literally the same details

[restive river]

Yes
I know

[twin wigeon]

if anything umbra has stalkers details

[restive river]

Shadow stalker came first lol

[twin wigeon]

and not the other way around

[restive river]

Literally from a dev pov that’s what’s happening here lol

[hollow lava]

Ive been saying that the entire time.

[restive river]

Even lore-wise Stalker existed before Umbra
The fabric bit has been debated on a bit but we don’t know what it is

[restive river]

From what I’ve seen you’ve been saying the opposite

[hollow lava]

Are you trolling or something

I said Umbra and Stalker have the same body

[ashen pulsar]

you said that stalker had umbra assets

[hollow lava]

Whoever came first: irrelevant

HE DOES

Theyre the same from the neck down

Holy

[ashen pulsar]

the assets were stalker’s, umbra just has a scarf that might have been taken from stalker

[restive river]

It’s not irrelevant, one came out before the other lol

[twin wigeon]

and both umbra and stalker are based on excals design

[hollow lava]

Theyre the same body type, Ive been saying that from the very beginning,

[restive river]

Anyway
It begins

https://youtube.com/shorts/mgXMyRlJ_pY?si=PeppQAvxhp0pKAvH

[pale cedar]

[twin wigeon]

hi nem!

[pale cedar]

Hi

[ashen pulsar]

the powerscalers begin

[restive river]

Between this and eternalism actually being relevant we’re def gonna see some insane takes lol

[celest needle]

Ow ow ow
my ears

[hollow lava]

The written notes from Rebb on steam sets the stage

[stray flare]

Inspired By Jade Shadows: Constelation, and the fact I was rethinking the Spaceships scale in warframe, I redid the rough Size messurements( Done so Via Drydock in the dogo):

Lenght: 200 meters( Give or take due to Non-colinear nature of the Messurements, either way, less than shown 219 meters)

Width 81 Meters( Shows 80 but I needed to find a place to not fall off)

Height 89 Meters

So, By EVE online standard... A Destroyer

[hollow lava]

Im kinda hoping for a Sirius and Orion themed Railjack skin

A frigate makes sense

[north ferry]

What a weird conversation

[twin wigeon]

honk

[stray flare]

It actually came to me after wondering about Orbiter Size, and that it is, in my opinion, a cruiser( did some estimation, most likely off a few days earlier). Now, with semi-concrete size estimate for railjack, Depending on their relative size, we can learn rough ballpark of how big our Orbiter really is.

[north ferry]

Oh I was more thinking of the Umbra Stalker convo.

We have several images of the Orbiter, Drifter Camp, Codex and Atlas farm

For some almost direct measurements.

[stray flare]

oh

I couldn't find the actual measurements ._.

[tall echo]

so many typos

[north ferry]

Well 'actual' measurements is a stretch, but other references than just the Railjack.

[twin wigeon]

hey be nice to flame, i don't think english is their first language, at least judging by their screenshot

[pale cedar]

Image doesn’t show the scale when in it as there’s the whole developers suck at scale problem

[tall echo]

english isn't my first language either

[pale cedar]

Scrap is the first German Cephalon

[stray flare]

I am sorry ._.

Please, tell me where I made mistakes so I can fix them

[north ferry]

Yeah 200m long is quite big

[tall echo]

concrete, learn, ballpark

[tall echo]

measurements

[tall echo]

you're fine I'm just a hyper nerd

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

im about to need this

[stray flare]

I get that( And the fact that for my slavic brain English tend to be on more Bullshit side of the language spectrum), but such corections do help a bit

[pale cedar]

Take this too

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-loz-legend-of-its-gif-4598758

[ashen pulsar]

don’t we alr have the size of the orbiter

[stray flare]

Even for irl ships it ain't tho

[ashen pulsar]

One sec, gonna turn this into a gif

[north ferry]

Tbf, i've just given up on understanding it. Just like its never lupus, nothing ever happens, its not eternalism (even when it is)

[stray flare]

For the past week, when I was looking couldn't find it

[woven coyote]

no measurements afaik

[glacial bough]

There's no concrete size, just best estimates

[tall echo]

concrete orbiter size: lorg

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1498075631332757604/togif.gif

[glacial bough]

Ingame measurements are spotty and there's little to go off of from design documents

[ashen pulsar]

measure it in ayatan statues or something idk

[woven coyote]

lol

[north ferry]

The canaberra helicopter carrier in use by Australia is 230m long according to wikipedia. The railjack is almost as long and bigger in other dimensions. Admittedly internal measures of the railjack will be smaller...

[stray flare]

That is a tiny part of the whole thing mate. Most of the ship is automatics as far as we know

[celest needle]

If eternalism is so right then where's the universe where narmer succeded?

[glacial bough]

Yes

[ashen pulsar]

something like “the orbiter is 61.5 ayatan anasa statues, or 57.3 domestik drones, or 21.2 clems”

[ashen pulsar]

in the drifter’s camp?

[pale cedar]

Somewhere that you can’t access

[north ferry]

I think most like the in game meters are just that, in game.

[ashen pulsar]

we aren’t there

theoretically that would’ve been most of them

cuz in this one drifter saved us

[celest needle]

I would like to see that universe at least since then what lol

go to Tau? Just live in a brainwashed empire?

[stray flare]

I... Dunno how to break it to You... USS Zumwalt, a DD is 182 Meters. Other DDs range from 150 to 180 meters.

Canaberra for carriers, is small ._.

[north ferry]

Now that I have a slight bit more grasp of some quantum mechanics i'm just gonna use that knowledge for eternalism even if its wrong.

[tall echo]

[north ferry]

DD?
But yes, for sure its small, but its still big particularly when you throw in what it can do. I just struggle with visualising measurements so I need comparison.

[stray flare]

So... The thing is, from what we can see, we only have a visual on around55%/60%( My guess, based on assumption this framework is around the area where the storage compartments are) of the entire ship. Not sure then if we can measure it, but that is a good point

[north ferry]

Railjacks really are just the results of excess aren't they.

So much empty space.

[tall echo]

like. game design wise?

[stray flare]

Destroyers. at least in navy games usually denoted as DD.

For another comparison, Frigates are between 100 and 140 meters long.

I mean, most media from what I can say are upscaleing the real life navy

[tall echo]

keep in mind rj interiors used to be bigger, but people complained

[stray flare]

I mean, they have internal foundry and automatics that let them rearm themselves more or less :P

[tall echo]

they're also supposed to be manned by a full crew not just.. 4 people

[left lake]

Wait the railjack room used to be bigger?

[north ferry]

Its more, its hard to make comparisons when its absolutely completely differently designed from any warships we're familiar with. In most because yeah its a game space, not a utility thing.

[left lake]

Well that explains the size difference of railjack in-game and at the relay

[tall echo]

there were hallways and stuff when it released

[north ferry]

So the only real Watsonian explanation is its just Orokin being Orokin.

[tall echo]

but people complained bc it took too long to get to the forge and back

[left lake]

Which makes me wonder that Cephalon Cy has a compression ability for Railjacks

I need to take a look at it

[tall echo]

ludonarrative dissonance

[stray flare]

Scratch that, am dumb, it is already in Destroyer regime.

I apologise, Railjack is a DD not a Frigate

[north ferry]

Hmm, I dont remember much from the release.

[left lake]

Plus saying that it's Sigma class interior

Now I wonder, customizable interior that can affect intrinsic and possible hazards if hit

For other classes in the future

[north ferry]

Its absolutely more destroyer role wise from my limited knowledge.

[left lake]

I need to find the original

Pre-compress railjack

[stray flare]

Ye, sori, it true ._.

I also am not a Navy guy( My autism has tank flavour), but I recon it is a DD with slinghsot/Small craft deployment capability

Also, Ye, interiour at lounch was almost one and a half size of a current one

[north ferry]

Yay for video games interiors.

[left lake]

Now I wonder

What would Vidar/Lavan and Zekti interiors would look like?

[stray flare]

Here is side by side( Right one is how it used to be)

[left lake]

So we have to extinguish a fire?

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/ordis-warframe-haha-warframe-ordis-warframe-haha-gif-20500297

[stray flare]

it just a comparison picture I found:P

In general, our current railjack interiour is smaller than one we had by a fairly significant amount

[dire mountain]

it used to have an arsenal 💔💔

[left lake]

Cooler
Though I can see why the change at the same time

Empty space I've heard

Other than the death of in-railjack arsenal

Other than interior the changes seems cool

[humble sierra]

She named her ship the Kuva Wytch, she's not affiliated with Kuva or anything. It's a name for the ship, not her.

Same with Ryoku and the Scoria's Angel

[normal mountain]

Plain suits the Stalker better imo
He's a stealth-based guy
The less details, the better

[tall echo]

Not that it matters considering. Yk. Invisibility

Arkadia and coshua about to beat each other up

[normal mountain]

Yup
That was done on purpose

And immediately after the Devstream too

[ocean geyser]

Coshua finally has a pfp 🔥

[humble sierra]

I disagree, he should have lines all over his body and paneling like he's a New 52 character

/s but since we're on opposite sides we must disagree now

[stiff beacon]

pretty sure ryoku's ship is in reference to ash's leverian lore

and well kuva is called "the blood of orokin ancestors" or something similar by teshin in TWW

so realistically both protos named their ships after nicknames for the frame's their slowly becoming

so your both right/wrong

[humble sierra]

Yes, they named their ships in a way that ties to their Warframes, but Ryoku himself is not called Scoria's Angel and Vena is not a Kuva Wytch, is the point I'm making

[hollow lava]

Id rather stick with Shadow, he gets the same body as Umbra so it keeps continuity, plus he can use his armor cosmetics again.

I respectfully disagree. How does leas details help with anything when he can literally turn himself invisible

Also, what could be cool is Shadow getting the 6 abilities he had, making him different

[humble sierra]

The Excalibur body being reused just feels like "We're just starting off this game, we have to reuse assets here and there so we don't overwork ourselves" rather than an intentional decision writing-wise. So either they give him a unique design, or a lore reason for being so close to Excalibur visually

[ashen pulsar]

if we can measure the visible lengths, can’t we compare?

like if from point X to Y is five meters, how many XYs is the whole ship from its image

[hollow lava]

That's exact;y it, and the Second Dream changed him. Reverting back feels like a placeholder for a new design.

[stray flare]

Not sure we can tho.

Again, I used the ping for my railjack messurements, and not sure if there is no Invisibke wall in a way, nor where the utmost front of the Orbiter is in the drifter camp( it angles under the rocks and what would be frontmost portion... Is your landing craft nose that is not attached).

If not for that, than yea, we could compare the sizes. That way.

In fact we do not know how much( I heard some say three times), but railjack is smaller than Orbiter

[hollow lava]

They could have had this in the works for years, since New War

[stray flare]

I mean, lenght of Orbiter that is circulateing is around 600m( based on the old Forum discusion that I previously overlooked) for full lenght of the Orbiter, but I have no clue if it is right in comparison to it in game based on a drifter camp...

[humble sierra]

The Orbiter inside Drifter Camp also doesn't seem to match the full thing in concept art

No clue why the textures were so bad for a second there

[ashen pulsar]

I just think that if we have a visible shape that we can match to the art, we could measure that thing then compare it to the length of the orbiter in the art

[humble sierra]

This also technically isn't the full Orbiter we can interact with

They seem to only have done the parts of the ship that are above water

The actual underwater stuff like the Foundry, Personal Quarters, Helminth etc. appears to be elsewhere

[ashen pulsar]

like how you can measure someone’s height by knowing the height of their shoes

[humble sierra]

Gosh she looks so good in the fog

[ashen pulsar]

[stray flare]

I did it by running thru dojo drydock and pinging( G on the keybord by deaufult) extremeties between parkooring to the other side.

We cannot really do the same technique in case of Orbiter, as we never physically interact with the whole thing. And as Arkadia stated, not sure if the Orbiter in the drifter camp is the same model as one w eususally control, nor have any good wholemarks.

All in all, for mow our estimates are... Far from concreate. No matter how you slice it, Orbiter is a chonker, flagships size even, and that if those old mesurements are right, it is over twice the Lenght of Iowa Class Battleship, and deep within aircraft carrier range.

It also makes the stealth tech on the Orbiter that much more impresive. This flying brick that is slightly longer than Drake (EVE Online, Battlecruiser), can slip thru planetary blokades. Brotha, it big, it is esentially a Carrier, and somehow it is invisible to the scaners of the Corpus and Grineer

[stiff beacon]

they probably don't scan for life signs or they don't know stealth tech is a thing

[humble sierra]

I think they know stealth tech is a thing, but the Orbiter is Orokin-era tech and probably still way more advanced than what they can hope to track

[stray flare]

They... Do know both. Corpus uses stealth tech, even if it is a bit more of the top of a line thing, and some odd grinerrs also have it( look at capture target of both, and then at parvos coin dudes).

They also do scan for life signs as they look for transports, or at least grineer do( we cannot forget the overworked grineer shipman radio :P).

[normal mountain]

Given that we're able to sneak aboard even Orokin Void Towers, I'd say the Orbiter had stealth tech that's advanced even by Orokin standards

Modern Grineer and Corpus have no hope of detecting them
And if the Orbiter somehow is detected, there's a Tenno aboard
No one will know they were there

[stiff beacon]

ok now im thinking we stole the orbiter because no way would ballas let a tenno have that good of stealth tech

[normal mountain]

I'd bet it was Margulis's idea
"If my Zariman kids are going into battle, they get every advantage we can afford to give them."
"Very well, my love. It is done."

[humble sierra]

Back then they could probably be trackable

By Orokin tech

[normal mountain]

Or by a select few
Like Margulis, or the Seven themselves

Lotus can still track us

[cunning ore]

Hello, what going on?

[stiff beacon]

look im just saying it'd be hilarious if we just took the orbiter

without asking

during the old war

and never gave it back

[strange plinth]

ordis controls the ship and ordis was assigned to us
i don't think we stole it

[normal mountain]

If there was only one Tenno in existence, yes, that would be funny

But given that there's at least several hundred
I really doubt it was stolen

And that's not even counting the fact that they all (I'm pretty sure) have Cephalons for basic functions

[loud oriole]

i spent so much time placing decos off in the distance to try and make a ominous building out in the distance only to realize you literally cannot see it from within the camp

[ocean geyser]

Stealth tech is called Void Masking
Once again through grineer radio comms

They can scan for it, but it’s still somewhat difficult to notice

[ashen pulsar]

what are the differences between the two trailers for constellations? Are there any?

[strange plinth]

just the descriptions as far as i'm aware

[humble sierra]

Sirius' has Japanese subtitles for the ERRA track

Considering they played both back to back at the Devstream I'm assuming there might be actual differences

My Premiere Pro ran out, otherwise I'd have overlaid the two and played them at the same time to see if there were any points where frames were different

[swift sentinel]

I think someone already doubled up the trailers, and there were no differences.

[twin wigeon]

if de puts crawling backwards out of heaven on a somachord I WILL DROP 1k dollars for plat

-# for all intents and purposes, i am joking

[brave robin]

guys

can sirius and orion say the first f word in lore please, other than muck

they removed kaya's

[twin wigeon]

no

[brave robin]

:(

[twin wigeon]

family friendly frame

[brave robin]

canon slurs but no f word

why is there no f word in game, they removed kaya and all

[twin wigeon]

slurs are universal

they exist in every language and culture

honestly kaya deserves the f word given shes like what early 20's?

[brave robin]

we have loads of other swears, is it some legal stuff with other publishing stuff?

[twin wigeon]

shes aa college student i think

[brave robin]

I know some countries have weird publishing laws with family friendly stuff even if its considered an adult game

and id imagine apple doesn't want the f word on an app published there

[twin wigeon]

i mean the voruna trailer was an extreme outlier so

[brave robin]

100%

we have muck and all and thats the obvious stand in

i was just having an argument that there isn't an f word and both parties were wrong cus we forgot about kaya's removed swear

also lettie can say gd

wack

[twin wigeon]

kaya and little duck need to say the f word

instead we get "WHAT. THE. BALLS."

[brave robin]

little duck and kaya deserve it

and Cy

Cy is a space sailor and should occasionaly remind you of such

[twin wigeon]

nah

cy doesn't deserve it

[brave robin]

:(

second best cephalon

ordis best obv

[twin wigeon]

wouldn't make sense that the calm and collected ship cephalon would be swearing

[humble sierra]

19

[twin wigeon]

a level mind makes for a level ride

[twin wigeon]

really?

[humble sierra]

Yeah in a chat

[twin wigeon]

dayum, she's my age and already accomplished time travel 😭 😭 😭 am i cooked chattttt

[humble sierra]

Well, Arthur says "This is all I need, some nineteen year old super-genius with a crush" so he could just be exaggerating her youth

[twin wigeon]

i mean she is pretty secretive and private with sharing details abt her

given her lore ykwim?

[humble sierra]

Oh no she just straight-up says so

[twin wigeon]

oh

[humble sierra]

She'd be 46 years old rn

[twin wigeon]

give or take a couple millennia

[brisk heron]

So my friend has a theory, this new update takes place in Drifters timeline, sense DE said that they are from alternative timelines

[twin wigeon]

nah

[humble sierra]

Drifter's timeline is kinda non-existent I think

All that's left of their timeline is their Zariman

[strange plinth]

they'd both be splitting off of this universe's jade shadows

[twin wigeon]

drifter's timeline doesn't exist, its theorized that there's got swallowed up in the zariman or smth i don't remember the convo in kim tho

[loud oriole]

Grendel ate it

[twin wigeon]

ykw lemme find the convo

shouldn't be that hard

right?

right???

[humble sierra]

The alternative timelines are:

• Stalker names his son Orion, which causes him to grow up and be trained by Vena
• Stalker names his son Sirius, which causes him to grow up and be trained by Ryoku

[twin wigeon]

i mean that would make sense bc if theres no operator in that timeline that'd mean theres likely no one to reasonably keep grineer and corpus wars in check, no one to really stop sentients from invading or narmer, or even defending the zariman from angels and thrax pouring into the origin system

also ballas would've likely proceeded with his void hole plan, draining the sun and killing everyone in the process

[cunning ore]

Drifter have a timeline??? What? Now it more confusing me

[humble sierra]

Well, if the Operators didn't exist, the Warframes weren't effective weapons, and also Margulis' love wouldn't be drifted from Ballas

[twin wigeon]

well yeah, just one where they're not involved

[cunning ore]

Non but many at the same time. Paradox, of course.

[twin wigeon]

no just Drifter wouldn't be there, and they seem to be the only remaining tenno alive at that point

[humble sierra]

We don't know exactly how Wally "saved" the children in Drifter's timeline

It could be that he just teleported everyone away

Rather than giving them powers

Plus, in the main timeline, the Tenno are given powers and the Zariman returns, which is how they're discovered and become Operators

[twin wigeon]

uh no we do know, they did get powers

[humble sierra]

The Drifter's Zariman obviously never returned

Because they're alone on it

[twin wigeon]

Drifter's zariman did return, Drifter didn't

[humble sierra]

So what happened to Drifter?

Because they made Duviri while alone on the Zariman

[humble sierra]

"Left behind"

[loud oriole]

quick someone toss Amir into the void so his choose your adventure game is real

-# tie a rope to him so he can be pulled back

[twin wigeon]

it could be that drifter killed his parents without void beams and just like impaled them or something, one of the other options was that we trap the parents in a cage like some others

and decide to kill them either out of pity or mercy

i wish the protos had dialogue in duviri, or in the undercroft

like "so this is duviri? it's very bright"

[humble sierra]

Closest we have is the Triad dates

[twin wigeon]

we visit duviri in those?

[brave robin]

marie is bugged and thinks we are dating

i cannot break up with her

[twin wigeon]

good

don't :3

[humble sierra]

Marie has the Amphitheatre and Roathe has a throneroom

[twin wigeon]

oh i forgot abt that date, WHY ARE YOU CHEATING ON THEM 😭

[humble sierra]

I'm not, I'm dating all three

[brave robin]

oh yeah we can just casually stroll on a murex for a date

[brave robin]

w polycule

[twin wigeon]

what the

[brave robin]

marie just wont let me dump her

[twin wigeon]

w rizz?

[brave robin]

this is lore accurate college

[twin wigeon]

what college are you in??? all i got are nerds

[brave robin]

all nerds are like this

you just have to be charasmatic

[twin wigeon]

0 nerds are like this

[brave robin]

maybe im just too rizzy

[twin wigeon]

char asthmatic

[brave robin]

charismatic*

[twin wigeon]

ok go you rizzlord

:3

[brave robin]

it helps that I wear a biker jacket at all times

[twin wigeon]

mhm, that'd do it

[brave robin]

lesbians or something

[twin wigeon]

les beans

[brave robin]

yeah probably

OH I NEED TO VISIT THE FURRY FOOD TRUCK IN MY TOWN

i always plan on it but I never do

this isn't related to warframe lore, to bring things back on track uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[humble sierra]

earlylunchforkonzu

[brave robin]

is there a lore reason vayas prime face armor is jsut in the wrong slots?

are the orokin quirky and so all of their niche fashion stuff use wrong color channels and wrong item channels

[twin wigeon]

vaya?

[cunning ore]

How?

Like my friend can date two already surprised me and this

[brave robin]

vayas*

[twin wigeon]

more than one vaya?

[twin wigeon]

OHHHHH

[humble sierra]

idk I'm just lucky

[brave robin]

like

were the orokin just weird

[cunning ore]

Your luck scared me

To think it like you dating the whole family

😭 that epik

[brave robin]

devil's triad polycule NOW

[cunning ore]

The ss does make your Drifter look snoop

[brave robin]

sleepy drifter

[cunning ore]

Yea that count

[brave robin]

yteahg

[cunning ore]

My try to remake Ballas but i got face issues and found no suitable

Do you think this could have his vibe or should i put sth to push it further?

[brave robin]

i think its good

[dark compass]

I support the statement made by the person above

[ashen pulsar]

problem

he has actually reasonable hair

it doesn't look like green noodles

[normal mountain]

Orokin hair wen, DE?

[ashen pulsar]

ugh

[brave robin]

i use roathe

[ashen pulsar]

that shit is disgusting

what do you have to do to your hair to get the ballas hair

[humble sierra]

Awesome!

[dark compass]

Lots of grease and insecurity

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/ballas-warframe-narmer-gif-24413311

grease DOES NOT do that

[dark compass]

Oh right

I forgot it looks like brains

[cunning ore]

That the tough task for me since there no good hair for him

[cunning ore]

With my low resolution, watching the whole NewWar with the Chimera is belike are you showering in grease???

[cunning ore]

Go take a shower with long hair. I found out his hair recipe while washing my hair

[ashen pulsar]

ballas has dreadlocks if all the strands of hair fused together to become "doomlocks" or some shit

[twin wigeon]

wheres Thomas to say Doom

[cunning ore]

Yea that, i got straight hair but luckily it long to make me realization

😭 my lil sis once joke Ballas wearing a shower towel now i cannot thinking that his hair style also associated to that issur

[ashen pulsar]

pull one of these to summon him

[fast dew]

DOOM

[cunning ore]

Nah Thomas here

[fast dew]

Genuinely just opened this chat lol

[twin wigeon]

Bwahahahaha

[ashen pulsar]

thomas transcending tennohood so he can use eternalism so that he can be in the reality where he coincidentally opened the chat the moment someone mentions his name

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347254691966615552/1388599719751585932/cat_evil.gif

can the tenno transference into a moa

[twin wigeon]

No

[fast dew]

Fr im literally whoever used eternalism to bring orion/sirius to the current time

You.

You know what I just realised

[ashen pulsar]

me.

[fast dew]

My damn housemate is gonna not stop talking about them

[ashen pulsar]

why

[fast dew]

Im gonna have to deal with that

[fast dew]

Housemate likes warframe but is woefully undereducated about warframe lore

As in

Ballas is gonna come back cuz he made a deal with wally

Woefully bad

[strange plinth]

augh

[cunning ore]

Yay Ballas back

My bunbun back!

[fast dew]

So you can imagine my horror

[cunning ore]

Oh it just a guess..

[ashen pulsar]

eternalism ooooooo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1498075631332757604/togif.gif

[fast dew]

Said old man yaoi

Said the second most horrible theory take known to man

[brave robin]

I know someone like this

[fast dew]

I experience the weirdest shit

[fast dew]

You poor soul.

[fast dew]

Painful :)

[cunning ore]

As a person play Tomodachi Life, i put this topic in and Ballas and Tuvul made friend through talking about "old men yaoi"

[fast dew]

I just wanted to make nuggets and got bombarded with the worst theories known to man

[brave robin]

Nitokh alive trust

[fast dew]

This is art

I can confirm this is canon, im tormis

[strange plinth]

does someone have the roathe eternalism message i don't have it downloaded for some reason

[cunning ore]

Niktoh on the island indeed confessed with "Femboy island"

And it with Nihil

Now put the Seven in the Tomodachi Life is making me have such a woefully view

[brave robin]

Why is Nihil there

8th wheel to the Orokin polycule

[cunning ore]

I put Seven + an Executioner in

[brave robin]

Oh nice

[cunning ore]

Got like 28 Mii in there and the group kinda, should i make dooms too?

[brave robin]

Where is Vice Regent Grand Carnus Roathe

[cunning ore]

I forgot him, lemme throw him in to know

[brave robin]

And Sentient Architect Archimedean Perintol

[cunning ore]

Gonna add in, i need 35 to expanding the maximum land through

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

saved em both as gifs

so I can use it across the 3 of my devices that have discord

[strange plinth]

nice, thanks

[humble sierra]

The Seven are the Executioners, Nihil is just a high-ranking Orokin

[cunning ore]

Yea just make it clear The Seven mean Executors even thought they do have the executing task tho

[fast dew]

I love nihil shout out nihil

[twin wigeon]

he cant hear you from the jar

[fast dew]

:)

I have nihil bathwater

[twin wigeon]

[fast dew]

[blissful merlin]

[fast dew]

I wish for de to know me as the nihil guy

[twin wigeon]

hes a poser

as in he traps people in poses

:>>>>>

[fast dew]

Smh

Hes an artist

[woven coyote]

Too bad you are the albrecht and loid guy already

Rebb told me in a dream you are tagged as such

[fast dew]

God dammit 💔

[woven coyote]

On a tangent rebb during the devstream "we have access to everything you have ever done"

Big lotus is always watching

[fast dew]

No actually tho when I was at the pop up shop before tennovip I actually fell over and ate shit, and. Swore loudly and now I believe it was zach who remembered me as the guy who did that when I saw him later at tennovip lol

[woven coyote]

Lol

[fast dew]

Out of all the things I could've done 💔

[woven coyote]

Hey which one you prefer
Loid shrine guy
Or tripped and ate shit guy

I'd be mortified either way if it was me

[fast dew]

Loid shrine.

I can deal with being known as the Loid guy

I cannot be known as the dude who ate shit on the curb 😭

[woven coyote]

Maybe one day i will have enough willpower to go to tennocon

[fast dew]

Maybe i will one day

Tennovip was. A lot

[woven coyote]

Vip curb guy

[fast dew]

But thats cuz it was in a really really cramped clubhouse for some reason

[fleet furnace]

tennovip was fun, would love to go to tennocon one of these days

[woven coyote]

Think tennovip is usually like that yeah

[fast dew]

They could've chosen a bigger venue 😭

Afaik they chose a larger venue for the Brisbane one

[fleet furnace]

the tennovip i went to didnt feel crowded, was alot of people but not jammed together

[fast dew]

It was called ballers clubhouse, and I found it funny cus
Ballers
Ballas

[fleet furnace]

lol

[fast dew]

It was. Particularly crowded during the giveaways

I was short tbf, I can't see shit in general but christ

It was also. Really warm

My favourite example to show my shortness 💔

[fleet furnace]

owow

[fast dew]

Me n rebb are the same size lol

[woven coyote]

Lol

[fast dew]

I also dress horribly i know

[humble sierra]

Me and the Krubie and Me and Rebb for comparison

[fast dew]

Like its pretty bad 😭
-# SHE HAS TO BEND HER HEAD DOWN.

[woven coyote]

Lol

[fast dew]

Catastrophically small

[woven coyote]

Pocket size

[fast dew]

Xata...

Pocketsized and very very loud

[magic storm]

Travel size. Pocket healer/DPS 😄

[fast dew]

True... me fr

You know, I made myself feel better after falling over by telling myself Albrecht has probably also eaten total shit on the countless stairs he has

[woven coyote]

Bet he has slipped around the cathedrale grounds when it was raining

Dumb old man probably didnt even remember floors can be slippery

[fast dew]

Tripped on a particularly uneven bit of cobblestone and cracked his head

[woven coyote]

Still havent managed to get over the mental ballast thing

[fast dew]

Someone spilled communion wine on the smooth floors of the cathedral and he slipped 💔

[fast dew]

Its literally a ballast, its awesome

Mm yes mental ballast

Because
The ballast is on the mind

[woven coyote]

Albrecht was for sure still high with that take

[fast dew]

Norgs are sought after for their brains, but i don't think brain size means they're gonna be that good of a. Buffer

[woven coyote]

Loid should have switched fishonacci with a baloon
Albrecht would have never noticed

[woven coyote]

Their brains are literally inflated lol they arent even actually big

[fast dew]

"Loid why is there a balloon in the chamber"
"You asked for a ballast."

[fast dew]

Big ol brain and

Its 99% air 💔

[woven coyote]

"A mental ballast"
Loid proceeds to draw a brain on the balloon looking absolutely uninpressed

[fast dew]

"Albrecht, I adore you, but you cannot send me out to the plains to go fishing! Especially at night!"

I feel as if Loid wouldn't like fishing

[woven coyote]

Poor loid must have suffered while albrecht was trying to pull a tribal seer and find the meaning of life through drugs

[fast dew]

Loid was stuck pulling the golden maw out of Duviri while Albrecht was disassociating in a church a bazillion years prior

[lean garden]

african rain frog

[fast dew]

True, im built like one too

[woven coyote]

So far albrecht's plan consistently involves trying something stupid then hanging out somewhere trying to think of a weirder idea

[fast dew]

Tbf it. Did result in. Information otherwise unobtainable

[woven coyote]

Reality is albrecht is just trhowing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks

[magic storm]

At the Man in the Wall?

[woven coyote]

So far yeah pretty much

[fast dew]

I can see the logic when he actually explains it

[woven coyote]

We get to the end and it turns out he was literally hoping he could fake it till he made it

[fast dew]

I will cry

Violently

[magic storm]

He's pretty much leaving it to us to pull the pieces into something that works. Then he can swoop in with a "It was me, Dio!" line, or something.

[fast dew]

The plan hinged around the chosen operator, so its reliant on. Us

I don't think thats. Particularly a bad thing either

There is a very pointed goal

I dont think its. Hiding out on tau with the operator

Because as soon as the operator does arrive, if Roathe's theory on how wally works is true, then wally will know of tau and that Albrecht is there

[magic storm]

Like we're decoys for one another? He spins up protoframes, we meet and coordinate with them, and Wally's attention is split between more and more points in time. Which is an odd concept for a being that exists outside of linear spacetime, supposedly.

[twin wigeon]

wally alr knows of tau

bc we've already been there

or at least of the tau system

since we were on perita

[restive river]

Could it be utilizing the tau radiation to seal Wally in a body forever?
Basically Rell but permanent

[fast dew]

Mm, my only issue is

What happens if they die

[restive river]

Why else bring up the radiation tbh, it’s going to get used and can’t really be used on us

[restive river]

Then he dies too?

[twin wigeon]

chekov's radiation?

[restive river]

That’s the whole risk with it for the tenno

[fast dew]

The humble cosmic clock:
-# gets brought up and never touched again

[restive river]

Bingo

[fast dew]

Oh wait im dumb

[restive river]

That is different, that didn’t have an entire interactive for it lol

[fast dew]

They're probably just gonna fuse him to us

[restive river]

Or the body he has now

[fast dew]

I. Kinda hope not tbh 😭

[twin wigeon]

him being albrecht?

[restive river]

Ok lol

[restive river]

He’s saying Albrecht wants to fuse Wally to us

[twin wigeon]

honestly i hope so then

[restive river]

He has a body he’s been walking around in already though lol

[twin wigeon]

everything good can come from fusing with the entity that gives us power

[restive river]

Literally all we need to do is push him into it lol

[twin wigeon]

we'd be like a palladin with an oath to a god

[restive river]

We’re more like a warlock

Also Wally isn’t a god

[twin wigeon]

ik

but he's godlike in capability over his realm of existence i'd say

[fast dew]

I want Rulsalka to.

1. Get better or die, either or
2. Not feel super out of place, she might make sense to be there, but visually it would be weird ykim
3. Be left open like hunhow was, this part goes for wally and Rulsalka

Deity guy idk

[twin wigeon]

i want rusulka to be freed and wally to inhabit us

[restive river]

Ok
She still makes for the perfect forever vessel lol

[fast dew]

Not

[restive river]

That means you no play game

[twin wigeon]

good

[fast dew]

Not really imo

Why would she be perfect :?

[restive river]

Thomas

He’s been inhabiting her for some time now, all we need to do is push her into the radiation lol

[fast dew]

And isnt it

That the fusion gotta happen to a tenno to their warframe?

[twin wigeon]

if that means bringing joy to a child that was hurt too often, then i'd be willing to be sacrificed

[strange plinth]

if wally gets sealed in rusalka, he's already keeping her alive based on isleweaver dialogue
and assuming that he can't go back on deals, based on the fact he hasn't done anything like that to us yet, means he'd be stuck there
i think?

[strange plinth]

what he's doing with rusalka has been compared to piloting a warframe a few times iirc

[restive river]

It’s transference based in general

[fast dew]

But. It isnt the same for us then?

[restive river]

He’ll be stuck forever if we get him in the radiation too

[fast dew]

I. Dont get it ???

[restive river]

What are you not getting?

They’re not going to have us get taken over by him lol
Not forever

[fast dew]

I don't see how fusing wally to neci would do anything

[restive river]

It
It traps him in her

????

[lean garden]

That little shit can be differentiated further

[twin wigeon]

we just gotta throw some radiation onto the Wallysulka and hope it seals them together so that we can shoot them bc then wally would be functionally mortal?

[lean garden]

make him smaller!!!!

[fast dew]

And?

Wouldn't he already be. Stuck in her in order to keep her alive?

[lean garden]

stop hiding in the Id you dingus!!!!

[restive river]

Not forever?
This is forever glue lol

He’s clearly still a problem

[twin wigeon]

not necessarily? if rusulka wished to stay alive all wally would have to do is purge the techrot inside her

[restive river]

I don’t think just pushing him into the radiation is the answer, to be clear
But it’s a major part of it

[restive river]

Well Neci is like
98% gone

[twin wigeon]

imagine we push them into radiation and rusulka just gets cancer and wally starts laughing at us bc we've basically killed her

[fast dew]

If. He's always only partially in neci's head, would he be trapped in a limbo state? Would part of that be severed and another part still in the void?

[lean garden]

you see, Chains of Harrow is just foreshadowing

[restive river]

Don’t think it’s that kind of radiation lol

[twin wigeon]

true

[restive river]

Exactly

[twin wigeon]

so the plan is lobotomize him, using rusulka as a sacrifice for the plan

[restive river]

He’s only entered reality in her body in 1999
And trapping him in Neci forever is just objectively an effective way against him, it ensures he’s stuck in a single form

[restive river]

She is 100% a sacrifice

[fast dew]

But how are we so sure his whole form is. Inside neci?

How are we sure we're not just gonna do what happened to the fingers again?

As useful as that might be im not sure it'll make much a difference

[restive river]

We don’t but this is a better option than anything else lol

[fast dew]

Thats.

Risky

[restive river]

I don’t hear you coming up with a better idea other than use us Instead.

[twin wigeon]

i think only part of wally is in neci given how along come a spider is mostly of neci story meaning she's probably still somewhat alive to narrate/write the story

[restive river]

She is, there’s like 2% of her left
She speaks a bit in Isleweaver

[fast dew]

Yeah, let me think

Instead of trying to prolong the inevitable again, maybe we should figure out what destabilises conceptual embodiment

[restive river]

Through what’s left of Neci, possibly what love she has as well as the radiation we have a better chance against Wally than most other options

[twin wigeon]

then maybe in order to escape neci, wally would have to intentionally change his deal to revive neci and escape the body

[restive river]

Thomas, this isn’t Rell again, it’s permanent.

And goodluck with that, we don’t even know 100% if that’s what he is

[fast dew]

You dont even know if it'll work

Let alone if its actually permanent or not

[magic storm]

Make a new paradox where Albrecht doesn't break the seriglass jar and spawn Wally in the first place?

[twin wigeon]

why destabilise when we can equalize? why not create a Difference to counter the Indifference

[blissful merlin]

We need to throw Velimir and Minerva into the mix. To see if she actually responds to them while being possessed like this. Plus I imagine they’ll both try their best to bring her back

[restive river]

Can you stop just shooting down my idea because you don’t like it??

[twin wigeon]

power of love and friendship ftw

[restive river]

I get it’s not perfect, there isn’t going to be a perfect plan, we don’t know what’s going to happen but at least I’m trying to think of what might happen, of what a plan could be

[twin wigeon]

i'd be so sad if they do react to neci and neci reacts back

[blissful merlin]

It’d be very emotional…

[restive river]

Enough to push back against Wally mayhaps

[fast dew]

All we know about the radiation is that it fuses the tenno to the warframe long enough for the acaris to work, which probably kills the tenno inside, do we have any actual examples of how it works when the acaris goober isnt placed on a warframe?

[twin wigeon]

man if only albrecht wasn't being hounded by a shapeshifter that can mimic people long enough so he can spill the plan

[blissful merlin]

Oh yea. I feel family love will impact him just as much as any form of love. His kryptonite at this point.

[restive river]

We don’t even know if the tenno from that are the ascarised tenno? Didn’t they blow themselves up??
Where are you getting this, you’re just trying to poke holes to poke holes.

[celest needle]

Could you kill wally with the titanic 1997?

[blissful merlin]

I wouldn’t say they kill the Tenno inside but they just trap them inside whatever frame they’re in until we’re forced to kill them ourselves.

[restive river]

Again, didn’t they blow themselves up?

Like
That was the whole point at the end, try and ensure it didn’t happen to anyone else

[twin wigeon]

this is from the "arg"

[magic storm]

So... Turned into Cephalons?

[blissful merlin]

Isn’t it implied from the dialogue through perita that the Tenno are still stuck inside the frames we fight in the prime vanguard?

Like I’m sure I never heard that wrong

[restive river]

Yeah they all died lol

[twin wigeon]

not lol ;-;

[fast dew]

They

Are alive enough to be made into. Whatever the hell that is

[restive river]

Well the tenno from the arg all died so they aren’t the vanguard

[blissful merlin]

Ok??? Not talking about them lol

[fast dew]

If its a cephalon then they probably didn't die

[restive river]

That’s just the last one lol

[fast dew]

"Our" as in plural

[restive river]

They were being mentioned to be them though, which they are not

[twin wigeon]

i think the training module they're talking about is the arg itself

[restive river]

It is

[twin wigeon]

awh thats sad

[restive river]

It’s the events of the mission, they all die at the end and the radiation is likely just hidden away

[blissful merlin]

Yea I know. They were a diff group of Tenno. Cuz the dialogue def confirms there’s Tenno in the frames we fight during the prime vanguard fights. Especially from lotus dialogue after.

[restive river]

Yup!
I’m just trying to make it clear the vanguard have no known connection to the radiation

[fast dew]

Regardless, we don't have literally any information on how the radiation works, let alone if its permanent it very well could wear off with the radiation's half-life

[humble sierra]

I think there was a mention of permanency

[blissful merlin]

Ohhh yea I get it now. Sorry haha.

[twin wigeon]

very permanant

[humble sierra]

They didn't tell us the big egg had fallen on a natural anomaly: a special kind of radiation that only occurs in one spot. At least I hope. That's why they wanted us down there. That's why they released the gas and blamed it on their enemies. Couldn't have anyone knowing the truth—that there was something in this universe that could seal an Operator inside their Warframe. Permanently.

[restive river]

Couldn't have anyone knowing the truth—that there was something in this universe that could seal an Operator inside their Warframe. Permanently.

[fast dew]

Permanently as in
Wow this didn't go away in a long time, must be Permanent

Or Permanent as in. Proved be so

[restive river]

You literally just do not like my theory lol

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-albrecht-entrati-you-are-late-whispers-in-the-walls-gif-14925983810522853958

[humble sierra]

😭 not as late as Ducky

[twin wigeon]

i guess im late then

[restive river]

Someone says something and us lore rats scramble for the exact quote we know exists

[twin wigeon]

anyhow if its a special kinda of radiation, it might not behave like normal radiation with a halflife

[fast dew]

We don't actually know if its permanent, just that a recreation of a kid thinks it is

[restive river]

It can interact with transference, that’s p special

[twin wigeon]

and if it does have a halflife, its likely enough that it could be classified with permanence

observable permanence

[fast dew]

Yeah with the dude who can wait god knows how long for it to wear off

Ergo prolonging the inevitable

[restive river]

From a narrative perspective if it’s not permanent permanent then that’s
Literally makes no sense

[humble sierra]

Idk when she (I get she vibes idk why) sends the message but it ends with "I can hear the drums" which is super interesting because it's almost like she can see the future or something

[restive river]

Here is the mcguffin, it will be established to do this thing
Oh you used it? It arbitrarily now does not work!

[strange plinth]

that's half of the job here

[humble sierra]

Oh wait I get She vibes because this was a voice memo and it was a female voice

[stiff fable]

I think it was implied that we were accessing the training program very late

[blissful merlin]

Are there any gifs of the ash proto emote yet…I’ve been dying to see it in gif form lol

[restive river]

I got a pic of it
no gif tho

[stiff fable]

Like, not pre-Tauron Academy but sometime either in the modern era or shortly before the Naga Drums

[restive river]

He got a cool sword

[twin wigeon]

given the anomaly was found during the war, it could be either temporary or permanent given the consequence

[stiff fable]

Also this confirms that Tenno can be glassed and it's lethal

Though it's admittedly a two step process

[fast dew]

I mean yeah I figured that was a known thing for some reason

[twin wigeon]

ehh glassing doesn't have to be painless

[fast dew]

I couldn't see why they wouldn't be glassable

[restive river]

Yay more evidence that we are humans and mortal!

[restive river]

Lethal doesn’t have to be painful

[magic storm]

Pain can be optional, depending on the overseer's mood.

[fast dew]

The orokin just didn't like glassing lol

[restive river]

Aka Nihil
Aka always painful

[fast dew]

Tbh it was mainly nihil, so we can assume it was.

Horrible

[restive river]

I mean they
Did it a lot lol

They didn’t like Nihil, they got free incident labor lol

[fast dew]

Did it a lot, but really didn't like it

[restive river]

What part of it wouldn’t they like???

[twin wigeon]

the orokin didn't like it bc it was out of their control

[fast dew]

Nah, the act of glassing was seen as. Controversial according to roathe

[restive river]

They had aya of tortures and executions

[stiff fable]

No no, GLASSING they were fine with

[fast dew]

The ability to change the memory and mind

[restive river]

Oh right the memory and mind thing lol

[twin wigeon]

yeah but the altering of memories that find sacred is very wrong

[stiff fable]

It's cephalonization messing with memories that made it unkosher

[restive river]

I mean they were def fine with doing it, they did it often

[stiff fable]

Though that didn't stop them from using it constantly yes