lore-discussion

[tall echo]

I do not understand

[celest needle]

MY GOAT

HORVATH!!!!

[marble timber]

We already got KoD in warframe. Kahl of Duty
-# See what I did. I’m so funny. NOW LAUGH. LAUGH I SAY LAUGH

[cunning ore]

I thought they got an idea of havinf a warframe was made on dead Daxs

[lean garden]

no longer had the magic ingredient of child abuse

[cunning ore]

Or did i misread it?

[marble timber]

Exactly

[woven coyote]

ha

[marble timber]

Child abuse solves all the problems

[fast dew]

[dire mountain]

You could put a gun to my head and tell me to name the Spartan IVs found in Infinite and I'd tell you to tell my family I love them 😭

[woven coyote]

kojima writing metal gear

[strange plinth]

wf lore chat out of context

[stiff fable]

In context, too

[marble timber]

Wf AND halo

[cunning ore]

This what i read

[dire mountain]

There's griffin the purple mark vii, stone the trailblazer, that one stormfall lady i think she had a mega construx figure, sorrel had ISR?

[marble timber]

My profile picture sake would like a word

[fast dew]

-# Sitting here tryna remember if child abuse happened in doom so I can be apart of the conversation

-# it did in the classic books, actually

[cunning ore]

My booboobear

[marble timber]

Bunny abuse is close enough

And we do abuse the demons

[fast dew]

True

[celest needle]

Put some RESPECT on her name 🥀

You are so missing out on the Battle for Zeta Halo lore

[marble timber]

In Doom we play as the abuser

[fast dew]

Doomguy was mildy tortured in TDA

[cunning ore]

Okay people expecting war having no abuse really an innocent thought

[marble timber]

Only slightly. JUST brainwashed and enslaved

[stiff fable]

No but Doomguy's granddad was BJ Blakowitz from Wolfenstein whose dad was abusive

[fast dew]

Yeah you'd be surprised

[marble timber]

But just a a MINOR issue

[cunning ore]

Wait so there still people who think not?

[fast dew]

Doomguy's dad in the classic books was also abusive lol

[marble timber]

We have Doom Guy backstory behind punch captain get sent to moon?

[stiff fable]

responded to the wrong comment sorry

[cunning ore]

I thought it a common sense of press that push to war?

[fast dew]

Yeah
Some people think war is honourable and full of glory

[dire mountain]

I should read Rubicon protocol

But I love her armor I rocked that helmet and shoulder combo for ages

[cunning ore]

What the-

[fast dew]

It was more than punch, he sent the man home in a body cast

And. Mildly, those books are dubiously canon

[tall echo]

It's basic propaganda man

[marble timber]

Well yeah, but I didn’t wanna be elaborate

[cunning ore]

Gladly seem Niktoh that type and Ballas is using war for plans

[marble timber]

It sounds funnier that way

[blissful wraith]

Let me guess you played halo 5 first most?

[cunning ore]

Yea just i mean how people can think it not like wahh...

[fast dew]

Nah the idea he had to be hauled off the man is funny too

[marble timber]

Halo 3

[fast dew]

Go my feral bastard

[marble timber]

My first Halo

[tall echo]

...now I'm imagining the superhero(?) propaganda-man

[celest needle]

You SHOULD read rubicon protocol

its a really good book
Spartan IV's are the best
Screw the banished

[fast dew]

My first doom was doom 3...

[marble timber]

Brain fart

[cunning ore]

Are you talking Homelander?

[fast dew]

I love you doom 3

[marble timber]

My first was Eternal, then I went back and played 2016,

Then 93, II, and 64

[fast dew]

I played doom 3 around. 2016? 17?

[tall echo]

I have never played doom and I never will :)

[celest needle]

Tried CE?

[fast dew]

On my brother's shitty ps3..

[marble timber]

I’ve played CE and 2 since then

[dire mountain]

Im gonna say something heretical

[blissful wraith]

We NEED more Nightwatch Grineer lore, as well of the Corpus' own black ops division

[fast dew]

Or was it. Xbox...?

[dire mountain]

I think halo 3 is overrated

[marble timber]

Halo 3 was just my first one

[fast dew]

Been yonks since ive seen the man

[tall echo]

Water cereal

[celest needle]

I AGREE!!!!!!

[dire mountain]

The campaign had shitty writing too

[humble sierra]

Thought that was Horizon Forbidden West at first

[celest needle]

vibrancy

[tall echo]

DE would need to remember nightwatch exists first

[humble sierra]

Yeah lmao

[marble timber]

Meh, I enjoy it. Personally when I play games I just enjoy it or I don’t. Don’t worry it much about the story beyond “did I I personally like it?”

Even if it’s bad

[fast dew]

Gonna say something that'll get you lynched by nudoom fans

Eternal sucks and is the blacksheep of the series, and doesn't feel like original games

[dire mountain]

Nope thats Installation 07 aka Zeta Halo aka Gyre 11

[cunning ore]

The reason why i both like and dislike the player of Doom and Halo.

[marble timber]

Personally I really like halo 4’s campaign

[blissful wraith]

I NEED to play Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2 but the main problem is microsuck wanted more money for their own so they wont drop Halo Wars 2 on STEAM!!!!!!!

[dire mountain]

Speak your truth

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/offended-serious--k01KQ409RDSJ0ZZC9AQ6E8YV76G

[marble timber]

I enjoy it. Simple as

As a kid I liked it, I continue to like it

[blissful wraith]

I liked Halo 4 Reflow campaign

[dire mountain]

Guh

[celest needle]

Halo wars 1 is pretty good anyway
you can just buy HW2 on the windows shop which sucks but at least its not not available at all

[woven coyote]

this reminds me wonder what is the current max of stratos emblem

[blissful wraith]

Gunplaw felt so much less underwhelming on heroic

[marble timber]

Big green guy saves the day

[fast dew]

Some people would genuinely like to convince you that all doom games feel like eternal lol

[stiff fable]

Some people are liars yes

[dire mountain]

Halo 4 has issues i replayed it on legendary like 2 months ago and I enjoyed it overall

[cunning ore]

What? It common to be confused at what sounds so fantastic but you don't have informations of it

[fast dew]

"Tda/3 doesnt feel like doom!!!!" Arguably 3 feels the most like the classic games lol

[tall echo]

They can't stop talking about it?

[fast dew]

Actually hold on

[cunning ore]

No, fantastic but confusing.

[fast dew]

Had a funny experience today

[marble timber]

2016 felt the closest to me

[blissful wraith]

I dont play doom because the weapon design were too fantasy I preferred classic doom🤓

[marble timber]

Though I never played 3

[woven coyote]

hmmm wiki goes up to 39

[marble timber]

And personally don’t care. I love the gameplay of every Doom game

[dire mountain]

Don't get me wrong the game is a spectacle it's just the writing is the worst of the series

Halo 5 didn't have the worst writing it just kinda had the worst narrative

[cunning ore]

Cause i only know Warframe and they discussing what i could call that terminology

[marble timber]

Yeah, I understand, not trying to be rude, but on a personal level I just don’t care about the writing quality to much. As a kid I got to be a big badass guy who beats the shit out of the bad guy. I thought the story was cool, it made me feel cool. All I needed then, all I need now

[tall echo]

I used to have the wf timeline memorized...

[dire mountain]

Also I did genuinely enjoy the narrative of halo infinite even if it was mostly low stakes it had a very personal quality to it

[fast dew]

"Classic doom means the first one!" Meanwhile literally WIKIPEDIA has it as the first 3 + final doom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Doom

-# classic doom includes 64, which is lore involved

[cunning ore]

imma just taking a break from this

[celest needle]

I dont like the enemy variety of Halo 3

its like CE but replace every elite with a shieldless brute

which after halo 2 which has brutes and elites
kinda sad

[marble timber]

Now there is nostalgia bias, but it’s my simple truth

I like halo 4

[fast dew]

I love all the doom games, they are solid, eternal just sucks as a doom game in comparison to other ones. I adore eternal's worldbuilding and lore

[marble timber]

I like the gameplay of halo 5, but thought the story was bad

[marble timber]

What I like is that the gameplay loop of all three of the modern games is different. And it is intentional

[tall echo]

Hm, yes, much war, very frame

[marble timber]

Eternal is not trying to be like classic

[dire mountain]

This is the coldest take known to man I think

[marble timber]

That was what 2016 was for

[dire mountain]

Like not even being a hater thats just the common consensus

[marble timber]

Okay

[fast dew]

Yeah! I just hate how it seemed to set the standard for all doom games for some people, not the fault of the devs

I love idsoftware actually

[marble timber]

I love 2016, Eternal, and TDA. Each one feels fundamentally different to play, but skills learned from each game do carry over

[dire mountain]

Tbf theres like 2 levels maximum you fight both elites and brutes in halo 2 and both theyre fighting each other also

[fast dew]

Also where do we put doom 3

[woven coyote]

wish they hadnt misstreated rage 2

[fast dew]

Classic or nudoom

[celest needle]

subzero take

[stiff fable]

Daikatana :V

[humble sierra]

Just remembered CE remastered (story only 🤡 ) is coming

[marble timber]

I played eternal at first before 2016. When I played 2016 my first instinct was to play it like eternal. I got punished for that in game. I learned to play it differently over the course of my playthrough

[fast dew]

-# that was Romero iirc

[stiff fable]

ye

[fast dew]

Romero was from idsoftware but. That was made after he left

Oh i love you John Romero

Go eat shit Sandy Petersen.

[stiff fable]

John Romero's gonna make you his b--

[celest needle]

well its variety at least

also reach elite spam
why can you only fight brutes only one level :[

[stiff fable]

I can't believe that passed for bold marketing in the 90s

[blissful wraith]

six?

-# seven

[marble timber]

But some stuff I learned in eternal still helped me. I already knew how each enemy worked, best weapon for each situation (Answer is ALWAYS the Super Shotgun).

In short I like that every Doom game 2016+ is different

[fast dew]

Xata...

[fast dew]

I like it too, I just find the fanbase is mostly rancid

[blissful wraith]

Is tbis the official doom by id software and bethesda server?

[fast dew]

No, that server is run by a horrible evil person

Go eat shit Kevan, noone likes you

[blissful wraith]

YIKES TELL ME MORE TELL ME THE OFFICIAL DOOM BY ID SOFTWARE AND BETHESDA SERVER LORE

[humble sierra]

Yes welcome to the Doom server, this is the Doom server where we discuss Doom, welcome to #lore-discussion where we discuss Doom lore

[tall echo]

Remove thy self. Become ascended

[fast dew]

Give me an inch ill take a mile

[marble timber]

Actually this is where we discuss Doom gameplay
#gameplay-discussion is for lore

[tall echo]

Nine inch nails

[humble sierra]

Something something Hayden Tenno, something something Samuel Hayden

[fast dew]

I will explain how doom lables religions with the idea of heaven as the result of christofascist colonialism

[marble timber]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[tall echo]

Repetetive

[marble timber]

Have you seen those videos talking about people saying DOOM is trying to send a message about religion or politics or something?

Doom is just

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-demon-2016-gif-10925418

The game

[fast dew]

Im aware of. Some. Doom is very political, just not in the way people want it to be

Even from the start

Oh yeah shout out to the people who refuse to acknowledge that doomguy has trauma

Despite. The hit game doom 64 all but saying it

[humble sierra]

SHUT UP! DOOMGUY IS A MANLY MAN AND MEN DON'T HAVE TRAUMA OR FEELINGS BESIDES ANGER AND VIOLENCE

[fast dew]

Curious

Wonder what issue can cause nightmares and is generally untreatable

[fast dew]

How he was moving in the first part of TDA:

-# the tether he was under removed other feelings but rage. Notably he broke out of it.

[marble timber]

Yeah, let’s ignore
The Daisy painting
The minifig collection
Carrying around your dead rabbits head for billions of years
Canon hallucinations of said rabbit
And the entire premise of the series

[humble sierra]

And him canonically married to Isabelle or something

[fast dew]

-# one during a. Episode where he is hallucinating screams :)

[fast dew]

Nah, as funny as that was, it is just a joke

[humble sierra]

Doom Crossing was the original Barbenheimer

[marble timber]

Literally the entire premise of Doom after a point is man goes insane after trauma and starts murdering the problem

[fast dew]

Doom crossing walked so Barbenheimer could run

Wait wait wait hold on

[marble timber]

Doom Crossing SPRINTED

that stuff was popular as hell

[fast dew]

Me too

[blissful wraith]

ULTRAKILL: ITS KILLING TIME WITH ULTRASTYLE is much better than doom because how industrialized those weapons are

[marble timber]

Is that actually in game?

[fast dew]

Mfw i go on a self destructive spiral

[fast dew]

Mhm, 64

[marble timber]

Dang

Why grow from your problems when you can beat them to death

[blissful wraith]

Like, I loved the concept of the movie As Above So Below which ULTRAKILL: KILLING TIME, ULTRASTYLE suits me more than doom just a deep dive into the human sins

[fast dew]

Theres a cooler one

[marble timber]

Also Doom Lore is objectively poorly written

Just to throw that out there

I love it though

[fast dew]

It spanned over 25 years, what do you expect lol

The last 10 years have the most solid chunk of lore

[marble timber]

Even in the originals it clearly not the focus

Pretty sure there’s a line about you being a “badass”

Doom has always been unchecked violence first

But I have enjoyed TDAs more developed narrative

[fast dew]

Eh, its. Focus on the repercussions

TDA sucked at the narrative to me

Felt shallow compared to 2016's tiny lore bits

[marble timber]

Fair

But the main story quality was better

[fast dew]

I adored that they made Hayden go to a known university

Oh, and Olivia too

They both went to real universities

[marble timber]

Cool

[stiff fable]

Hayden Tenno

[marble timber]

We are.. really off topic

[fast dew]

Strasbourg for Olivia, and.. mm. Its either Oxford or Harvard for Samuel

[stiff fable]

I just brought it back on topic

[strange plinth]

quite

[fast dew]

Whatever one is in Europe lol

[stiff fable]

Oxford lmfao

[dire mountain]

So

[fast dew]

OH and the fandom wiki says Samuel is from new York. Somehow

[dire mountain]

Dualism am I right

[fast dew]

Uhhhh

[humble sierra]

Harvard is primarily a law school in Boston Massachusetts

[fast dew]

Lemme. Draw more similarities between warframe and doom

[marble timber]

Aren’t there two wikis

The one you should use and the other one

[marble timber]

Unchecked rage and trauma

Lots of guns

[dire mountain]

Do we think theres any chance the upcoming update will touch upon it (not the religion religion more just the things being comprised of twos)

[marble timber]

Zombies

[fast dew]

Yeah that would be Oxford.

Samuel did. Theoretical physics and other science shit

[humble sierra]

For Warframe yes, idk about Doom but unfortunately most fandoms don't have an option besides Fandoms's

[marble timber]

For Doom I mean

[fast dew]

Fandom sucks. The other Also sucks

[stiff fable]

they can jump over

[fast dew]

You have it so good as warframe lore fans.

[marble timber]

We have a official wiki

[stiff fable]

Fandom's just big and famous and buys up other wiki sites

[humble sierra]

GreyArchon 👑

[marble timber]

Here

[fast dew]

The other sucks for different reasons than the fandom though

As i pointed out, fandom lists Samuel as someone from new York.

For literally every other reason, he has no evidence about him being from new York. If anything, hes probably from Europe 😭

[marble timber]

You hype for this years TDA dlc?

[fast dew]

He has a foundation, which funded Olivia's time in university, which is. A European university, so you'd assume that the foundation that seems to be Europe focused would be based in Europe

[marble timber]

I’m dancing personally

[fast dew]

Absolutely. Ive been doing feral at every new bit of lore

[marble timber]

Same

[fast dew]

Or. Information rather

[marble timber]

I’ve been following HordeModeGaming, they give frequent updates on the DLC

[fast dew]

The khan is coming back, shes gonna look so good with TDA's graphics

[marble timber]

A spear of sorts

[fast dew]

Ive actually talked to hoard before lol, we were. Not close but familiar

[marble timber]

Oh damn really?

[fast dew]

Hes cool but his voice is grating

[marble timber]

How did you do that?

[fast dew]

Yeah, and Allstin too lol

[fast dew]

He used to be super active in the official server, no clue if he is now after all that happened

I wonder if he remembers me..

[blissful wraith]

Holy I do remember I spent just TWO WEEKS from release and a little bit of 1999 luck to get my goat Cyte-09

I need to get the Coda Sporothrix whats the guide on summoning one? Theres that K. Bramma lich been collecting taxes and dust for months

[tall echo]

No need for a guide

[marble timber]

If you DM me whatever name you gave him I can ask him. He’s very responsive and replies to comments on his YouTube

[cunning ore]

Summoning what?

[blissful wraith]

A coda lich

[strange plinth]

need to get rid of that lich, first
then just do 1999 missions until a mixtape drops, grab it n put it into a terminal, technocyte coda
kill for the currency that idr the name of, buy from eleanor whenever its in rotation

[tall echo]

Heartcells or smth

[fast dew]

Oh i wouldn't suggest doing that, id rather not have my name on blast, but if you're in the official server and you see him, ask him if he remembers Thomas, I was pretty well known within the server

[marble timber]

Got it

[blissful wraith]

What if digital extreme actually collab with devs who made EVERSPACE 2 for a warframe featuring one to one Sol railjack open world expansion?

[fast dew]

I was. The maykr dude™

[humble sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vomJATTykvg

[tall echo]

Ah yes, words

[celest needle]

Do the coda have the most fight aura?

[humble sierra]

Kuva Liches have the Knightfall move so I think it goes to them

[tall echo]

Sergeant has

[woven coyote]

they just have a good stage crew handling all efects

[celest needle]

but that MUSIC

[dire mountain]

I would kill for new on-lyne

[cunning ore]

Be sure you don't have lich.

Then go into a Techrot nodes, start killing till there a random yellow mark of heartcell will appear for you.

[dire mountain]

Doesnt even have to be tied to an update

Just for fun atp

[cunning ore]

The other just like killing liches tho, common of using parazon to just make a confirmed death on your lich with right mods.

[brittle siren]

So during DevStream, Rebb clearly said Orion and Sirius want to capture Stalker into their own future

And yet ppl still think they want to kill Stalker

[brittle siren]

Imagine Coda Lich with nullifier + dmg attenuation

And insta kill toxin dmg

[strange plinth]

Rebb said they want to capture stalker
but the descriptions on the videos both heavily imply that the mentors, at least, want him dead

[celest needle]

So
Sons bringing the Stalker into the future indirectly letting the mentors can kill stalker?

[sleek berry]

Since Scourge is cannonically Harrow's Primary, so Uriel (Roathe) playing with Scourge is like a roommate borrowing your car.

[humble sierra]

Lmao what if Sirius wants to take him to the future and just thinks Orion is wanting him dead, but Orion is also just wanting to take him to the future and thinks Sirius wants him dead

[blissful wraith]

Orion(Sirius): Hey Sirius(Orion)! Your planet cracking days are over! Give me the polearm.
Sirius(Orion): If you want it, then you'll have to take it. I think we both already know that.
Orion(Sirius): Had a feeling you would say that.

Orion wanted to bury the light of Sirius
Sirius wanted to kill devil's trigger from Orion

[clever linden]

True, a religion about a heavenly absolute impeachable monarch surely can not have colonialist rhetoric by deafult

[clever linden]

It has a massive amount of lore and that’s what makes it interesting

[fast dew]

Its really interesting because. The idea that there is one "creator" is false in the doom universe's setting, there's more than 1, possibly more than the confirmed 2, its just in the nature of primevals like davoth and the father
-# and technically doomguy but hes barely one

[clever linden]

Huh fascinating

Yeah the cool thing about doom is that both the angels and demons are evil, and the angels control the demons, which is surprisingly accurate

[fast dew]

The maykrs just like to pretend there's one

The Father/VEGA was a creation of davoth, yes but he still created the earthly realms

While Davoth is responsible for Urdak and Jekkard [hell]

Though, there does seem to be a power difference between the two

Urdak and Jekkard both function the same as the void does in warframe

But earthly realms do not

[clever linden]

Doesn’t Doomguy destroy him?

like i remember when watching a lore video, Samuel Hayden and Doomguy found the father in a golden orb but Doomguy destroyed him to Sam’s shock and despair

This was in a DLC too. Wish i could remember more

[fast dew]

His Lifesphere, his essence concentrated. Its only part of him, the rest is inside Urdak

To destroy him you need to bring him back fully

Hence why he did that to davoth

And Samuel was upset cuz he just witnessed his only chance at a non-painful death get obliterated

[clever linden]

Why does he want father to kill him?

[fast dew]

He doesn't want the father to kill him, but he wants the father to restore the maykr life cycle, that was corrupted when Samur was forced to move said lifesphere from the Luminarium

Their life cycle is a form of immortality

They die, rejoin the singularity, and get reborn

But the singularity is reliant on the father's presence

Without it, they experience abnormal transfiguration

Transfiguration itself is normal, but abnormal Transfiguration is. Bad.

[restive river]

Am I crazy or did Ryoku’s dagger have efervon tubing?

[fast dew]

They cannot die unless put down :(

[clever linden]

Doom lore sounds so cool

[fast dew]

His entire body kinda does
Alt timeline from 1999 methinks

[left parrot]

Alright, I need details on this new lore

[fast dew]

Its very cool

Too bad its underappreciated because the fans are dumb :(

[restive river]

But he’s from the future
Unless Albrecht was pulling a Roathe on them

[clever linden]

Does abnormal transfiguration turn a Maykr into a demon at all? Is it how they become “fallen” at all?

[restive river]

On constellations?

[left parrot]

Both

Cause wtf is this

[strange plinth]

hunhow

[restive river]

Wdym both lol

[restive river]

That’s hunhow
They’re freeing hunhow

[left parrot]

Yeah see how I am confused hahahaha

[clever linden]

That’s Hunhow, Lotus and Erra’s father

[fast dew]

They appear like demons due to their creators being the same, we don't know what normal transfiguration looks like, we likely will never see it. We've only seen 3 transfigured maykrs and thats all post corruption

[restive river]

No I mean wdym both, I said constellations not Sirius or Orion lol

[left parrot]

THAT'S HOW BIG HUNHOW IS?????

[fast dew]

Yeah

[strange plinth]

mhm

[fast dew]

Hunhow is huge

[left parrot]

Oh yeah yeah yeah

[strange plinth]

-# praghasa, his wife, is larger

[fast dew]

His wife is bigger :)

[restive river]

This is the efervon tubing btw
I might just be crazy here though lol

[fast dew]

Heh

[strange plinth]

could be? looks more like some green metal to me
though his concept art(?) has some effervon-esque tubing as well

[fast dew]

His concept art has what i think is pretty obvious efervon tubing

[restive river]

What purpose is it serving being a guard(?) there
It’s gonna get slashed and splashed onto HIM lol

[left parrot]

OK let's narrow me down bc they said it's a bit like DMC5

And where is this point of the story now?

[restive river]

Eh idk
He has specifically advanced future corpus tech

[blissful wraith]

WOOOOO I LOVE BEING IN DOOM THE OFFICIAL SERVER BY MICROSOFT BETHESDA AND ID SOFTWARE WITHOUT SEEING THE RELIGIOUS DRAMA

[restive river]

Post Jade Shadows

[blissful wraith]

Can I make that joke again?

[humble sierra]

Maybe the Corpus figured out Warframe serums and use Efervon or something to slow it down, which also makes it super painful

[blissful wraith]

Orion(Sirius): Hey Sirius(Orion)! Your planet cracking days are over! Give me the polearm.
Sirius(Orion): If you want it, then you'll have to take it. I think we both already know that.
Orion(Sirius): Had a feeling you would say that.

[celest needle]

He has his chest out come on 😭

[fast dew]

Id reckon a roathe situation could work imo

[restive river]

He gotta be stealthy

[humble sierra]

XX99, in the future, not to be confused with XX99 in the past

[fast dew]

Oh yeah was it stated if both were or if one was

[blissful wraith]

How would his arc reactor taste like can he like build a replica for me to uhhtaste

[left parrot]

Hmm.... Is XX99 the Old Peace? Had to clarify

[fast dew]

Because for some reason I. Did not recall hearing the other

[restive river]

Only problem is that’s not how the infestation works, unless he modified it the infestation doesn’t seem to have any relation to eternalism

[blissful wraith]

Never seen Steve going insane gif until now when did this happen

[restive river]

It helps that we know that the triad are in 1899 lol

[strange plinth]

XX99, in terms of Lyon/Marie, is most likely 1899
XX99, in terms of Vena/Ryoku, is sometime in the future

[humble sierra]

No, XX99 (in the past) is where the Devil's Triad are based. Likely 1899 but ultimately that's not official

At least not intentionally official

[fast dew]

I. I mean

If the infestation can talk to different timelines' versions, id imagine that could work

[restive river]

At minimum probably two decades, but we don’t really know how old the twins are

[restive river]

It can’t do that though lol

[fast dew]

The who

[restive river]

The temporal twins
Sirius and Orion

[humble sierra]

Yeah lmao because of how Warframes age it could be 20 years or 20,000

[left parrot]

Hmmm

I got cut off in the lore tbh

So it's after jade shadows that's for sure

So... Hmmm

[fast dew]

OH

[left parrot]

Who are these twin?

[humble sierra]

Sirius and Orion. They're the same guy but different lifepaths

[restive river]

Same person
Operator Drifter situation but with a naturally born Warframe

[strange plinth]

the two versions of stalker's kid
both from the future, one exists normally and the other eternalism'd into this timeline

[humble sierra]

The baby at the end of Jade Shadows

[restive river]

I mean they’re both eternalisming in technically, no?

[left parrot]

Like Nero and that devil guy in DMc who is still vergil?

!like both of them are vergil but they are separated?

[lean garden]

nope

[restive river]

Like Operator and Drifter.

[left parrot]

Hmmm I see I see

[humble sierra]

Not separated people, they're two whole people

[strange plinth]

sorta, yeah
one's accessing it a bit more, though, i think

[humble sierra]

Alternate reality versions of the same baby

[left parrot]

OK two whole person, different... Idk the word Versions per se

[humble sierra]

Exactly!

[left parrot]

Aight gotcha, I got that one down now

[restive river]

Either way it seems they got the tech (I’m rewatching the stream and Rebb specifically mentions their tech)
I wonder who gave them that

[fast dew]

Hey wait

How are they in the same. Place together

[humble sierra]

Violently

[restive river]

I WAS SAYING THAT EARLIER

The Universe should be compensating for one of their existences, that’s how it works with Drifter and Operator

[humble sierra]

I feel like that'll be an important plot point, they can't coexist and that'll like threaten to destroy the universe

[left parrot]

Alrigjt let's go to HUNHOW hahahaha

Who is he really? Aside that he is this big guy entrapped in Uranus (the fact yall said "they let him out" )?

[fast dew]

Wh

Warlord. The great and terrible.

[restive river]

Imagine Albrecht gave them a way to coexist in spacetime and Operator and Drifter get that tech too

[fast dew]

The main villain for a bit

[restive river]

Grandpa

[humble sierra]

Refresh yourself on the story by reading the transcripts of the quests please, Hunhow is Lotus's father

[fast dew]

Big bad evil dude in the second dream

[blissful wraith]

Hunhow is burnt Lotus not her father 🤓

[restive river]

Hunhow is grandpa
He was racist and evil
Now he’s sad and wet
And maybe still evil

[blissful wraith]

Why does the natah quest has a burnt and crispy Lotus for Hunhow like

[left parrot]

Oh wrong question

what is he?

[fast dew]

H
Wh

[fast dew]

A sentient

[restive river]

Sentient

[blissful wraith]

Hes sentient

[strange plinth]

he literally says that he's her father while in that form??

[fast dew]

A whole sentient

[left parrot]

Hmmmmm

[fast dew]

Not a fragment

[restive river]

It’s a fragment of him connected to her

[blissful wraith]

I want to believe that is Lotus' alter ego whispering because she gets space schizo our real Hunhow only appears in second dream

[humble sierra]

Because they didn't have the model ready at the time

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-gif-23463183

[restive river]

That’s not what’s happening there

[strange plinth]

Sentient: "Natah, who have you become? Does this form remind you of what you once were? Time has carried my seed so very far from the branch."
labelled "Sentient" as no one had revealed his name yet
then, later
Sentient: "My own daughter. The last of my womb. How can you do this?"

[blissful wraith]

What if the entire warframe lore was a collection of fantasy stories wrjtten by schizo Archimedians and it becomes a top seller like

[restive river]

Or it was his fragment speaking through her to some extent
He was/is connected to her

[restive river]

This reminds me of the coma dream theories lol

[strange plinth]

that's exactly what i was going to say

[left parrot]

I never thought it'll be stretched out

OK now to the lore

Is there a short answer why they let hunhow out?

[fast dew]

No clue why

Its. Probably not good

[strange plinth]

yea, we. don't know why they're letting him out
he was wallowing at the bottom of the ocean, and "waiting to die" before

[restive river]

Unknown, maybe they like their grandpa

[left parrot]

Nah what if it's just a scripture.. Not just any Fantasy story hahaha

[left parrot]

Hmm how would this connect to the man in the walls?

Or no

Is any of this connected to the Man in the Walls?

[strange plinth]

probably not
unless he's the guy giving Sirius/Orion and their mentors the eternalism tech

[restive river]

No, the most it may be connected to him is the protoframes likely being made by Albrecht
That’s it lol

[cunning ore]

Hunhow get out of Uranus. There might be sth that a waiting-to-die even want to rise of the upcoming things with Orion and Sirius

What motivation to pull someone out of their grave i ponder?

[restive river]

They felt bad for grandpa?

[left parrot]

Might be

[left parrot]

It's always Albrecht...

[cunning ore]

Could be?

Or sth horrible is about to happen?

[restive river]

He is mr mcguffin lol

[left parrot]

Balls... You should know

[fast dew]

Ah its not always him

[humble sierra]

We know almost nothing about the quest's contents itself. We don't even really know if they're letting Hunhow out or if it's just symbolic

[cunning ore]

Even when it Narmer or Natah he not leaving Uranus but then this for a something like Devilman:Crybaby

[fast dew]

The fall of the empire was.

Indirectly because of him

[restive river]

A lot of things were kinda cause of him

[cunning ore]

His death confirmed.

[celest needle]

Clone a squad of Xaku’s

Mod them with ability strength

Kill sentients

[restive river]

Like
The Tenno
The Drifter

[cunning ore]

So it might be Pazuul

[fast dew]

Erra..

Ik rebb is just a fan of the band but that
Was a choice

[cunning ore]

Pazuul, Erra temporary dead

I feel sad for Erra now

[left parrot]

Oh dammit

[humble sierra]

Erra? Yeah they're in the trailer, they made the song

[restive river]

Good and free red herring lol

[left parrot]

I may have to watch the trailer but I'm too lazy to sit and watch.... That's how lazy I am hahahahaha

[cunning ore]

Wait i thought it about Erra so it not Erra i think of?

[scenic oar]

just wonder, why wally didnt save Drifter again ? I mean powers given to other kids but not Drifter ?

[humble sierra]

Double sided joke, the song in the trailer is made by a band called ERRA

[scenic oar]

Wally purposefully wanna create another what if ?

[cunning ore]

Oh- sh..i didn't know that

[strange plinth]

"I can save them, all of them"
"all of [the children]" was operator's deal, "all of [the other children]" was drifter's
zariman tablet in duviri:

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
    A. *CORRUPT FILE DETECTED*
    B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

• an isleweaver line that i'll grab in a moment

[humble sierra]

That's the question, kiddo...

Me personally I think Wally orchestrated a whole bunch of stuff

[fast dew]

I caught rebb vagueposting about it lol

[humble sierra]

Like somehow Wally knew Operator would be trapped and made Drifter's timeline for the sole purpose of freeing Operator

[strange plinth]

the archives get yet another "rusalka" search from me

[left parrot]

Do you think it's wally pulling the strings in the new part of the story too?

[strange plinth]

(second stage) Neci Rusalka: "Two identical souls raised in such different environments. Haven't you figured it out yet? [laughs] You're fascinating."

[fast dew]

The majority of the new story is somehow related to Albrecht therefore wally

[blissful wraith]

Hunhow gets out of WHERE because I CAN FEEL IT EXPAND

[scenic oar]

makes sense, so that's make Wally not effected by "eternalism" ?

[humble sierra]

Like Constellations? Nah I'd say it's side stuff

[scenic oar]

there can only be One Wally

[cunning ore]

He copied the Orokin traits from Albrecht, so within Wally being bored. As in psychological way, yes, i do think of it like that.

But if it about Eternalism, Wally just did all possibilities of the deal.

[cunning ore]

Uranus, he stayed in there all the time.

[left parrot]

Huh... So it's really very... Above the quests and stuff I read

This is really new thing

[blissful wraith]

What if I pull him out

[humble sierra]

Wally exists in all timelines simultaneously I think, if I understand it correctly, but he's currently bound to our "Strand of Khra"

Basically that prevents him from like, idk, deviating too much?

I know a lot and understand a lot but I don't know a lot and don't understand a lot

[cunning ore]

He said it was his grave and he just chose to be rotten in there tho

[cunning ore]

Dunno, so i ponder what motivation made him out to see his adopted grandkids fighting for Fortnite

[strange plinth]

the void's outside of time n is what caused the orokin to figure out eternalism iirc
but wally's missing a finger, so he's bound to this 'reality'
needs the fragmented to hold down the strands of khra (conceptually embodied timelines) to influence anything

[left parrot]

Imma keep reading yall messages to learn more

[strange plinth]

(if the Tenno speaks to Thrax) "Remember what the Scholar told us. The Fragmented Ones tether down the Strands of Khra that weave her false Duviri. Get to the heart of her power, call forth the beast, then kill it."

Fibonacci: "So long as the Indifference is missing a digit, it is confined to the strands of Khra. Don't ask, your tiny mind would likely pop under the strain of understanding. This limitation is our one hope"
Loid (Original): "Do not patronize the Tenno, fish. The strands of Khra are merely Void-renderings of the chains of cause and effect. Conceptually embodied timelines, if you will."

[cunning ore]

Many possibilities to me through since i leaned more of psychology

[left parrot]

Is there any way to read this in one simple page or watch this in simple videos?

[humble sierra]

Haha no

I don't think even the writers understand it in simple terms

I do have a brief recap of most of the timeline though which doesn't really explain things but more-or-less works as a refresher for the story

[woven coyote]

I like to imagine the writers room looks like the sticky note room in control

[cunning ore]

And they have a lot of books about mental issues

[left parrot]

Idk if it's a bit much to ask but can you DM me a re cap?

[blissful wraith]

Orion vs Sirius

[humble sierra]

I covered it for another player here, too long to fit into a single message otherwise I'd just have copy pasted it (and I'm on mobile so doing it repeatedly is annoying AF)

#lore-discussion message

[left parrot]

Sorry hahahaha thank you?

[humble sierra]

Recap of the Old War pretty much:

Albrecht Entrati was an Orokin scientist who studied the Void. One day he decided to go into it.
While he was diving into it, his diving bell broke. This exposed him to the Void.
There, he encountered something that looked identical to him, and called him his childhood nickname, extending its hand.
Albrecht ran away through the portal, got severely injured, and told his daughter Euleria (you will know her as Mother in the Necralisk) to close it.
When it closed, the creature's fingers got cut off and started to grow.
The Orokin used the fingers to make Reliquary Drives that allowed them to use the void to travel great distances quickly.

The Orokin after millenia of plundering the Solar System's resources decided to colonize a faraway star system, Tau.
They sent the Sentients, robots with adaptive properties, to prepare Tau for them. During this time, the Sentients grew consciousness and realized "Hey the Orokin are evil and will just ruin Tau too".
The Orokin also sent the Zarimans, including the Ten-Zero, which contained civillians who would colonize Tau.
The Zariman used a reliquary drive to try jumping to Tau, but there was an accident and the Zariman got lost in the Void.
The adults went insane, and the children had to fight them off.
You, the player, were protecting a group of your fellow students. Here, you encountered one who looked just like you, called you by the nickname your dad gives you, and extended its hand.
It told you it could save them, all of them, but you had to want it. You took the deal.

Somehow, the Zariman returned, with only the children. They had magical Void Powers.
Margulis, Ballas' lover, cared for the Tenno and served as their surrogate mother.
One of the Tenno, Rell, believed he saw the entity that you the player saw, and knew it was a threat.
Margulis didn't believe him, or at least didn't want to. Rell's autism also made him an outcast. He was shunned from the other Tenno.
One of the Tenno (Rell, or maybe yourself), blinded Margulis by accident with their powers.
The Orokin studied them and put them in Cryosleep, feeling they were too dangerous.

The Sentients rebelled against the Orokin. The Orokin were overwhelmed as the Sentients were easily capable of adapting and taking over their advanced weaponry.
The Orokin, specifically Ballas, used the Infestation and created a strain of it that would turn people into powerful soldiers. Warframes.
The issue was that the Warframes were uncontrollable, berserk monsters.
Rhino Prime eventually broke loose and started rampaging and eating people.
Suddenly, he went into the Cryochambers and became docile.
The Orokin realized that the Children -- The Tenno-- were somehow able to tame the Warframes.
The Warframes were now the Orokin's best weapons.

---

Margulis didn't like the fact that the children were used as weapons, so she spoke out against the Orokin.
She was executed-- even Ballas, who seemed to genuinely love her, voted to kill her.
Ballas grew bitter against the Empire and started working with Hunhow, one of the leaders of the Sentients, to create a weapon against the Warframes.
He revealed the secret of the Tenno.
Hunhow's daughter, Natah, was a mimic, and was designed to look like Margulis. Her goal was to manipulate the Tenno against the Orokin.
However, Natah grew to love the Tenno too. She became the Lotus.
The Tenno defeated the Sentients, but Lotus knew the Orokin were evil too.
On the day of celebration for their victory, the Night of the Naga Drums, the Tenno turned against the Orokin.
This campaign lasted a little while. Once the Orokin were all seemingly wiped out, the Tenno were once again put to rest, until the System needed them again.

That's the basic gist of the history before Awakening, I skipped out on the Old Peace as you haven't reached that quest yet.
Anyways, the rest of the game happens.

[woven coyote]

Totally the real writers room

[humble sierra]

Drifter is from an alternate timeline. They made the same deal as Operator, but in this timeline, instead of being granted powers, the Man in the Wall used wordplay. "I can save THEM". Drifter was stranded alone.
They took solace in Duviri, a book (written by Euleria) that helped children regulate their emotions, as the Void had the power to make emotions manifest.
Drifter's emotions made Duviri real. They were best friends with Dominus Thrax. However, since Thrax was a book character and Duviri was just a story, Drifter got older, but Thrax stayed the same. Drifter wanted to leave, so Thrax started executing them so they'd stay.
This was also a timeloop so Drifter stopped aging. Eventually, Teshin and Lotus' hand fell into Duviri (after Act 1 of New War).
The rest of Duviri Paradox quest takes place, Drifter regains their memories, and now leave Duviri, then the rest of New War plays out.

At the end of the New War, Ballas used Praghasa, Lotus' mother, to drain the sun and tear open a hole in the Void so that they could Void Jump to Tau. We stop him, but the Man in the Wall grows more powerful because of that tear.
The rest of the game so far is spent on stopping him.
That's why we track down Albrecht, who became obsessed with MITW.
Albrecht had a secret lab underneath Deimos. Here, he had a time machine to 1999 (which was important, there's some calculations he did. We don't know for what exactly)
There's also these giant Vessels. These were made with the DNA of the Hex, as well as some other technology and infestation. They are weapons built specifically against the Man in the Wall.

[left parrot]

That's the whole recap of the before and old peace right? Like after jade shadows?

[strange plinth]

-# "brief recap"

[humble sierra]

---

Because of reasons, Operator cannot go to 1999, it is too dangerous. Drifter goes. Here, they track down Albrecht, who is captured by Scaldra, this branch led by Neci Rusalka-- who is possessed by the Man in the Wall.
There's a large nuclear explosion as the Techrot are damaging the nuclear reactor, and the Murmur also break out there. Hollvania is destined to explode on New Year's Day.
Albrecht has created a timeloop for December 31st.
Drifter goes on December 31st to stop the explosion. Drifter meets the Hex. They work together to try and save Albrecht and stop the explosion.
Albrecht tells Drifter to kill Rusalka, which they don't because she's a victim.
MITW takes advantage and teleports the three of them away, leaving the Hex alone to save the city.
They fail. MITW taunts Drifter, Drifter tries saving them, they fail.
Albrecht shows up and tells Drifter the only way to save them is to "know" them.
Drifter extends the timeloop to the full year.

[left parrot]

Ay it's brief as it seems hahahah

[humble sierra]

This was specifically written to help someone understand 1999 and the ending

I didn't really cover Jade Shadows or even like most of the story tbh

[left parrot]

Aighr

[cunning ore]

Everytime read "Margulis,Ballas's lover" my heart broke sob

[left parrot]

Yeah it's given, the confusing part is just the 1999 and so on part tbh

[humble sierra]

Oh also there's some inaccurate stuff there so please be sure to read the original message I sent, under that you have more experts correcting me

And I also didn't cover Old Peace since the player hadn't done it yet

[left parrot]

Oh aight... And then maybe I'll figure out the new lore

[humble sierra]

I'll endeavor to try and write a full explanation soon

You can call me GreyArchon Junior

[blissful wraith]

I prefer the warfare lore ARMA and Ghost Recon , and Halo type shi give me some on what are grineer and corpsus fighting for when they do not really have reasons (Corpus does which are taxes)

[strange plinth]

they want territory from the other, that's why they fight
huh

[woven coyote]

They have the same reason rlly
Supremacy

[left parrot]

Key points I got from the new lore is:

• HUNHOW is freed by an unknown reason
• the constilations are 1 person in to different realities

Did I miss anything?

[strange plinth]

granted, if the corpus stopped supplying the grineer, they would not have to fight for long

[blissful wraith]

Wait I never see this piece of Corpus helping grinerr so they can fight longer

[strange plinth]

sirius and orion are both mentored by protoframes, Vena (garuda) mentors Orion, and Ryoku (ash) mentors Sirius

[cunning ore]

Parvos just stayed locking in like he is cooking a plan. Meanwhile Worm Queen inheritage of the plan with the Kuva things.

They fought for Orokin's old tech, i suspect that

[blissful wraith]

Teshin decapitated her and she somehow returns..

[cunning ore]

That the Elder Queen, not Worm Queen

[strange plinth]

the corpus sell tech to the grineer because they'll sell to anyone (that's also how the grineer have jade eximus) and its more profitable to always have someone to sell to

[blissful wraith]

No the kuva hsrvest worm herself says the elder is sick somewhat?

Or am I forgetting

[cunning ore]

The one choped by Tenshin is Elder Queen. And Womb Queen inheritaging the Kuva Fortress as well as there on-going project on Zariman.

[humble sierra]

Yeah Elder Queen is dead

[strange plinth]

worm's trying to harvest enough kuva to save elder
but elder's already dead n we've never seen kuva bring someone back if they're already gone
but she's also doing other stuff with the kuva, like kuva liches, so yk

[humble sierra]

Either we kill her, Teshin does, or she rots, and Worm Queen is working to somehow resurrect her

[cunning ore]

There still a huge kuva-looking in the Amagaldon title set tho

[blissful wraith]

What if we drive the zariminto crash right into kuva fortress Almighty season of the something style

[cunning ore]

So i just think Worm Queen also keep on Elder Queen work, within it there also Parvos. But i don't which Corpus leader on Zariman

[cunning ore]

It stuck-

[strange plinth]

zariman shouldn't move, its plugging the hole in the albrecht membrane. keeping the void out of the system

also that'd be bringing the thing that the worm queen is plundering straight to her

[cunning ore]

Like i do ponder, what Corpus doing on Zariman

[strange plinth]

trying to salvage tech probably

[cunning ore]

Currently, i know there are 3 leaders of Corpus faction: Nef Anyo, Alad V (hybrid) and Parvos Granum

[cunning ore]

Yea but i ponder that who is the one i mean in 3 of them

[left parrot]

I hate the protoframe of Ash tho ngl hahaha

[cunning ore]

Nef Anyo seem busy with shroom career. And Alad V just stuck with Amalga things and Parvos just like a good grand staying still and drink tea

[strange plinth]

there's 14 members of the board, potentially 15 if parvos just added his seat
alad v used to be on the board but was implied to be removed at some point iirc?
nef anyo and frohd bek are the only other two board members i remember

[cunning ore]

I doubt Nef Anyo would touch something far than Venus or ugh the-

I forgot that credits farming

[humble sierra]

Index on Neptune

[strange plinth]

i believe Quinn says its granum's troops that are invading the zariman?

[blissful wraith]

Guys why we don't go lynch big Nef right away and free orb vallis

[strange plinth]

he's incompetent and opening his position on the board leaves space for someone worse to take his place

[woven coyote]

I know from running exterminates for the normal angels that cavalero keeps complaining about parvos

[cunning ore]

I lessly remember things of that time 😭 i was rushing for Ballas's portrait

[woven coyote]

We have no clue where the stupid flying mod is

[blissful wraith]

Well, what happebed to Xeto did she just got fired or got the Arasaka defector treatment

[cunning ore]

You still have a chance to be pay with some snipetron vandal parts through being mercenary tho. Unless you really want to be wanted.

[fast dew]

Me when Albrecht portrait

[blissful wraith]

But I already got the

[strange plinth]

fired or dead
"sisterhood doesn't give second chances" n all that

[fast dew]

Has to be the centrepiece for the shrine

[blissful wraith]

Iwish there would be a nee BLACKSITE PROJECT of the Orokin Ghost Recon frame who came to rescue her on god

[clever linden]

Kuva can bring people back to life post-death, and that’s the risk of Worm Queen getting enough Kuva, she wants to bring her sister back. This would undo the vital blow to the Grineer

[fast dew]

Eh, we don't know if it can actually do that

[strange plinth]

i'm. not arguing this one again

[fast dew]

Lesser worm is. Mildly deranged

[cunning ore]

And, we not really have enough informations of Kuva. Since there also a Kuva-temple things that making a tower can even control time.

[fast dew]

We know it does have a time limited use, continuity at least

[clever linden]

In fact I remember Roathe on KIM that he had painfully died on Tau, and only Kuva saved him

[fast dew]

He did not die actually

[cunning ore]

So it alike harvesting things from Void

[blissful wraith]

The naberus story where orokin bodies of conciousness were transferred into their victim's

[strange plinth]

dying, not dead

[fast dew]

He was nearly dead, but not dead

[strange plinth]

Maryna. You gave me your body. Together, in that trench, we drank Kuva. My hands shook and my gashed throat leaked, but I kept enough drops down for it to take.
I remember your last salute. The fading. Then I blinked open the eyes that had been yours, and saw my gutted corpse dead in the mud.

[fast dew]

A story, doesn't mean its true

[clever linden]

Yeah, I believe this process also happens to your Kuva Lich every time you empty their health, their mind is transferred to a new host body and the cybernetic bits are just rebuilt

[cunning ore]

I have no really clue of what exactly Kuva. Since Kuva seem have many uses and i dk if the Kuva we harvesting even the same with the Kuva of the Tower.

[fast dew]

Especially considering this is grandma taking about it

[restive river]

Shot in the dark
The constellation protos and eternalism tech are from Parvos
Not that he’s an ally ofc

[strange plinth]

mmm. i'm not opposed to that idea

[cunning ore]

Parvos always the person my big bro admired

[fast dew]

Another stolen bit of entrati tech id bet

[restive river]

I don’t know if it’s likely but it’s in the realm of possibility

[cunning ore]

To think he can even designed Protea, i think Parvos may not use Albrecht tech

[strange plinth]

if anyone's going to figure out eternalism tech, i wouldn't be surprised if its the guy sitting in the void all the time

[restive river]

The protoframe serums yes
The eternalism tech. I wonder if he could figure that out based off Albrecht’s research

[left parrot]

Woah

[restive river]

Exactly, him or Albrecht are the likely options for that tech existing!

[fast dew]

Protea is based on entrati tech too afaik

[tall echo]

stolen research yes

hi I woke up again

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn violating the entrati

[strange plinth]

'the entrati have violated time and i have violated them'

[cunning ore]

Oh, sh then yea Albrecht, but Parvos belike living in The Void so i dk

Oh and he is the tax collector, mb

I forgot how he pressed uh that D cephalon dude for Albrecht's debt

[restive river]

Parvos x Albrecht blackrom

[cunning ore]

😭 i lessly go to that level to farm tho

[tall echo]

drusus's debt is seperate, we just happen to help pay it using entrati stuff
albrecht had no debt

[tall echo]

"lessly"?

[woven coyote]

Nah didnt die, had a few close calls but never dead

[cunning ore]

I mean i don't do the disruption in the lab much

[clever linden]

Based on how it sounds, it seems like he died and woke up in a new body “wounds too severe if not for Kuva” hmmm

[tall echo]

almost died

[strange plinth]

or
"hmm, i'm going to die and/or never fully recover from these wounds. i'll drink some kuva and hop into a fresh body"

[clever linden]

They have crazy genetic engineering I’m sure they could heal wounds

Kuva doesn’t heal ppl it transfers consciousness, you can’t use it as a health potion

[pale cedar]

Roathe did

[strange plinth]

yea, it'll transfer the consciousness from the dying body to a new one that is not dying

and yes, they did have 'crazy genetic engineering'
but you don't have access to that in a battlefield setting, most of the time

[pale cedar]

Orokin swapped from dying bodies into new not dying ones all the time

[proper barn]

Okay but like Voruna uses it to save "dead" kubrows

@clever linden also giving grinner troops kuva also just gives them powers.

[proper barn]

How albretch gets his voice and eyesite back is cloned organs.

He was looked after by a doctor though.

[blissful wraith]

So, what is the closest we ever got to an anti materiel rifle in warframe lore? The orokin prime weapons are just UNSC stuffs but the problem is I dont like the gold

[fast dew]

by loid lol

[blissful wraith]

What are the tennogen policies of not making skins look too realistic

[blissful wraith]

Realistic means close to modern day rifles

But I suppose DElay is bypassing that lore with the recent Scaldra rifles and the AK

[strange plinth]

the prime weapons are almost always just fancier versions of the regular anyway

both were made and in use by the same people at the same time
in most cases

[dark compass]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Antimatter_Drop

[woven coyote]

Grineer sniper skin

[clever linden]

The Kuva Liches repeatedly say that “I cannot die” and “When you kill somebody, make sure it takes” when creating a Kuva Lich, you do the execution animation on a Kuva larvling, they then disappear in a burst of red light. It’s pretty clear to me that they are reborn into cloned bodies

[drowsy saddle]

Stahlta with the unreal tournament skin probably, hypersonic irradiated tungsten rod goes hard

[blissful wraith]

I love overpowered service rifle fantasy like the Gotva

[drowsy saddle]

Also, probably drop the "rifle" part, since like, half the bows are effectively AT weapons

Like the opening cinematic alone has a bow shoot down prime grineer transports

[blissful wraith]

Tenet Len!

Paris P. Fell off we got daikyu P.

[drowsy saddle]

Also, genuine AMR? Cyte09

[proper barn]

DElay?

[drowsy saddle]

Neutralizer canonically punches through tanks

[proper barn]

They don't get "new bodies" they just get powered up by the kuva we literally see it in the kuva lich intro thing.

[proper barn]

Also this doesn't explain how vorunas like Kuva consumption works.

[restive river]

Just realized there’s a weapon in soulframe by the same name lol

[clever linden]

The cephalon said that “she gave the Kuva to her pack” the pack that’s part of her

[blissful wraith]

Hmm would Heckler und Koch say anything if Burston has a skin thats a little like G11?

[restive river]

Sure poured void energized kuva on herself, her wolves literally became a part of her

"Voruna struck him aside and seized the energised kuva – not for herself, but for her wolves. Holding it high, she doused herself – and her slain packmates – with it.

"Embraced by the seething crimson glow, connective tissue propagated. Sinew reached for bone, and within that marriage of occultism and science, she and her beloved wolves became one.

"Her brethren lived again. In her. Voruna was now, and evermore, the heart of the pack.

[clever linden]

They were being imbued with kuva so it works in the first place, you extract kuva upon shooting a larvling

Their larvling body and livh body are obviously different

[restive river]

The energized kuva is just 100% guaranteed continuity, in her case it literally attracted them to her

[restive river]

They are called larvlings for a reason lol
Iirc the cutscene that introduces them even has a larvling getting kuva so it’s likely in there system and activates upon death

[drowsy saddle]

Reverse mosquito bite?

[restive river]

They die, it activates, maybe they get transported so they can continuity

[pale cedar]

Larvlings are like Roathe at the time on the brink of death

[fast dew]

Do the kuva guards not mention taking the guy who died away? Swore they did

[strange plinth]

"Sukjekkt secured. Removing from battlefield. Peezporr enkkaagge kraaft!"
yeah

[fast dew]

My memory is impeccable

[pale cedar]

Yeah, they take them away to see if they're viable for Kuva Lich status which is when you'd see something like in the trailer

[restive river]

Yeah they grab them
When a Kuva Larvling spawns

Kuva Guardians also have transmissions when a Kuva Larvling spawns or is killed, though the Guardian themself will not appear on the map.

"Sukjekkt found. Moderate clone rot. Initiating reclamation."

"Queens will not be pleased. Clone rot has gone too far. Send word."

"Inform the Queens we have found their sukjekkt."

"Sukjekkt found. In her name."

"Soldier, you have been nominated. Your glory awaits in her fortress."

When a Kuva Larvling is killed by a Tenno

"Sukjekkt found. Significant trauma. Removing to Galleon to assess Kuva Lich viability."

"Sukjekkt secured. Removing from battlefield. Peezporr enkkaagge kraaft!"

"We have the chosen sukjekkt. They will become Lich, or die."

"You are Queen-chosen, soldier. Greatness awaits you. Greatness… or perhaps death."

"The Queens have chosen you, soldier. You are to be… gifted."

[clever linden]

“Upon death” yes. Indeed. That’s what I’ve been saying.

[clever linden]

I’ve farmed these so many times. I know these lines off by heart

[fast dew]

Death as in

Game death, not actual death

And thats not what is in game

[clever linden]

The Liches also refer to the player killing them

“Remember how much fun we had, when YOU killed ME?”

And hell, the word “lich” is an undead sorcerer who hides their soul in an object so they can survive the death of their physical forms

[pale cedar]

The difference is Roathe doesn't say he died just he was incurable and had to body swap

[drowsy saddle]

Kuva makes death such a... Fuzzy thing

Magistar slams kills the body, requiem mods kills the soul

[pale cedar]

We know you can be revived by Kuva after you die but Roathe didn't actually die he just did it early

[fast dew]

You just need to be faster about it

Not..however long its been since we killed the worm queen

[strange plinth]

-# elder*

[fast dew]

DAMNIT

[drowsy saddle]

Also wrym

[fast dew]

Im off to cry about my mash n gravy being separated in two containers, my entire day is ruined

[drowsy saddle]

As in, limbless dragon

[fast dew]

What the hell was this red rooster 💔

[strange plinth]

yea
emergency continuity exists, that'd be near immediate post-death continuity
but i don't think that opportunity is around for long

[pale cedar]

We actually know of an Orokin that got killed and did Kuva instantly

[fast dew]

Nodders, i think cuz i say wyrm for the deimos wyrms, so i avoid using it for the twink grineer queens...

[strange plinth]

assuming that you're not referring to the one(s?) that ordan karris killed, there's them too

[strange turtle]

So little mash?

So much gravy??

[fast dew]

RIGHT

Like what am I supposed to eat my chips with now :( I like having both on them

[dark compass]

What is mash

[fast dew]

Mash potato lol

[dark compass]

Oh

[fast dew]

God thats.
Really damn British of me to eat

[dark compass]

Why so little...

[fast dew]

Gravy and mash potato what the hell

[fast dew]

I DON'T KNOW

[dark compass]

I don't think there's even one small potato in there

[fast dew]

Barely a tato 💔

[dark compass]

And in the sauce package too

[magic storm]

Maybe a tater tot at best, good lord.

[dark compass]

How disrespectful

[fast dew]

Red rooster usually doesnt use them, idk why they did this time

They're still better than kfc tho

[humble sierra]

First mistake was Red Rooster

[dark compass]

But does that half a tato taste good

[fast dew]

Better than whatever the hell my local kfc is doing 😭

[fast dew]

Dawg the kfc here SUCKS idk why 😭 red rooster is usually decent

My favourite laundering scheme

[dark compass]

There are always regional differences

[fast dew]

True, Arkadia is from the city

[dark compass]

And some are just ghost kitchens

[humble sierra]

And on the opposite side of the country

[fast dew]

Xata...

[magic storm]

Also franchisee differences. We learned long ago to avoid certain fast food places nearby because they can't be bothered with food safety. The same fast food is just fine further away.

[dark compass]

I think that falls under "regional differences" but I choose not to be annoying about it

You don't have to thank me

[fast dew]

Yeah I. Reckon regional differences/franchisee owner differences are probably to blame 😭

Tbf most places in Australia SUCK

[humble sierra]

Since we're sharing food here was my TennoCon breakfast

[fast dew]

We're.

Mediocre

[humble sierra]

Xata...

[fast dew]

TIM HORTONS

My breakfast for tennovip was

2 Monsters™ and a Mother

I ate. Half a crepe at lunch and maybe a few bits of food at the event itself

Wasn't hungry that day tbh

[pale cedar]

You ate a mother?

[fast dew]

Mother, its an Australian energy drink

Afaik the flavour was. Rainbow sherbet, 7/10 flavour, bit too sweet

[pale cedar]

It's a weird name

[fast dew]

So is V, Redbull and Monster

[dark compass]

Would you drink MOTHER, FATHER, or SIBLING

[pale cedar]

Mother clearly

[dark compass]

See

[fast dew]

Mother, I think im more attached to Mother over Father

And i had to deal with my sibling dragging me around Melbourne that day

[pale cedar]

Which sibling?

[dark compass]

I don't know

[fast dew]

My older one, duh

-# tbf I have like. 13 siblings

[pale cedar]

That's too many siblings if I had 13 I'd feel too autistic

[fast dew]

We are all mostly autistic too lol

Except for my little sister for some reason, we had her tested and all, she's just weird

[smoky gulch]

A good study into inheritance of autism?

[pale cedar]

Do you even get the freedom of alone time and do you live in a mansion or something

[fast dew]

Absolutely.

[fast dew]

We no longer live together, the majority of them are in their 30s now

Im the... 4th? youngest

[pale cedar]

When you did how the hell could you all be in the same house?

[fast dew]

We barely functioned and not all 13 were in all at once, at least 6 at most

Which is still far too many

I blame my father.

Rage.

[pale cedar]

Looks like you definitely won't be having the father energy drink

[glad orbit]

Does anyone knows how the Techrot escapes 1999? I'm talking about the railjack concert

[drowsy saddle]

Same way temple makes it to the naga drums i suppose

[strange plinth]

in short, the long way
hiding somewhere n waiting

[drowsy saddle]

R O C K

[glad orbit]

That's fascinating, thank youuu!

[drowsy saddle]

Genuinely i think the infestation and techrot uses genetic memory but in reverse

Rather than descendants inheriting memories from ancestors, its receiving memories from the future

[dark compass]

Mfw infestation only happened much further into the future and it just went back in time

And we cause it in a later update

[strange turtle]

You chugged 3 energy drinks back to back? 😭

[fast dew]

Over 5 hours, I didn't get sleep for 24 hours at a minimum lol

[strange turtle]

Man the warframe cavemen must’ve been busted, having to survive primal technocyte with caedometric breath and monomolecular claws or smthn

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/going-crazy-going-insane-bouncing-off-the-walls-gif-2844765694034649306

thomas after 3 energy drinks over the course of 5 hours

[fast dew]

Im sure my heart did

The rest of my body just hurt lol

[narrow pendant]

youre telling me entrati fried this rice..

[fast dew]

AWWW

Loid is pissed Albrecht doesnt wash his rice

[pale cedar]

Albrecht probably also has Square Speghetti trauma

[tall echo]

how would he

[fast dew]

Eternalism screw you

[pale cedar]

Arthur gave him a meal

[tall echo]

arthur only made square spaghetti for drifter

[pale cedar]

Yeah, and due to that I gave some to Albrecht

[nocturne ibex]

Just finished New War, is hunhow good or bad? Even if he is helping us, it might have his own agenda

[split quartz]

clem

[fast dew]

Hes tired

[pale cedar]

He's Great and Terrible

[fast dew]

He realised what little point war has

[nocturne ibex]

So, just old grandpa

[fast dew]

Yeah. Racist space grandpa

[pale cedar]

Another of their number flows past my sodden grave. Did you see her, my Shadow? Of course you did... So unlike your perfunctory skulking, she rises resplendent—full of brazen, fragrant life. In my own lost vibrancy, oh how I would have reveled in snuffing out her playful joy!

Unfortunately, something beat me to the task, delivering only a wounded husk into my grasp.

I grow sentimental in my rot. Else I’ve been down here long enough to find kinship with my fellow jetsam. Instead of final death, I offered her the insult of rescue. A worldshaper’s breath “adapting” her shape to better survive our shared prison. And still her spirit did not break, my Shadow!

[scenic oar]

Just wondering, what was hunhow doing back in old peace

[fast dew]

Existing probably

Having a son

[split quartz]

maybe doing a 9-5 at a mcdonald

[pale cedar]

Not taking a bath

[scenic oar]

Scheming against orokins

[pale cedar]

He couldn't scheme against Orokin

There was a temporary peace treaty

[fast dew]

He was probably pregnant guys he was on paternity leave

[scenic oar]

Stalker not his son ?

[fast dew]

-# love how this is entirely canon

[fast dew]

Erra and Natah are his children lol

[pale cedar]

Stalker was never his kid

[fast dew]

He. He has a womb so

[pale cedar]

He didn't even meet Stalker till Hunhow couldn't have kids

[scenic oar]

Sentient and their ambiguous gender huh

[zenith ore]

Why did Hunhow take the stalker under his wings again?

[pale cedar]

Wanted to kill us

[zenith ore]

Aight

[fast dew]

Understand: She haunts this place. Her light has marred the earth. She whispers in the sleeping machines. Through the disintegration of her flesh, she lives on.

In honor of my barren, Void-scarred womb I entrust Jade to you.

"My own daughter. The last of my womb. How can you do this?"

He. Just has one

[scenic oar]

Why gramp hates us tenno

Coz old peace ?

[fast dew]

Yeah probably

[pale cedar]

We were killing his kind

[scenic oar]

Well..One of his kind was our bestie

Lot of misunderstanding and miscommunication I guess

[pale cedar]

Which we are responsible for them dying

[scenic oar]

We were being tricked.....😭

[pale cedar]

Hunhow didnt even know the Tenno child existed till we were back in the Origin System

[sonic acorn]

wonder if Hunhow will be willing to ally with the Tenno for Tau 🤔

[pale cedar]

Ballas gave him the moon's coordinates

[scenic oar]

The new war is a good sign, but hunhow coop with drifter not operator...

Gramp probably still dislike the kid

[sonic acorn]

what if we just told Gramps about our bestie?

and the past?

[scenic oar]

He may see Drifter /operator differently

[pale cedar]

No, Hunhow thought we were the kid there's a sort of hazing where if you scan them you see the same person

[sonic acorn]

he did question though if he's the same person or someone else (which in itself is complicating)

[pale cedar]

He talked to Drifter as if they were Operator he never asked if we were someone else

Drifter and Operator share the same slot of space-time and only certain characters can tell the difference

[drowsy saddle]

Are we sure that's not hunhow being face blind?

[tall echo]

He gave operator the jade bp

[hollow lava]

So, it could be Drifter this time in Constellations, might make sense

Operator helped birth kid then Drifter shows up in the sequel

[fast dew]

Doesnt really need to be drifter

[hollow lava]

Also, is anyone getting "Knight" vibes from Sirius appearance? With the name meaning "Brightest Light" Sirus could be a Paladin frame

And Orion being a Hunter.

[fast dew]

Uh

Not particularly

He just kinda seems like a generic frame

[hollow lava]

I get Knight vibes from the helmet

[fast dew]

That's. Jade's headshape

In fact are we sure thats not just jade

[split quartz]

he does look more like a knight armour rather than the "warframe" feel of usual frames

[strange turtle]

I kinda see the helmet thing here, in the “magic/power armour knight” kind of way

[hollow lava]

Im thinking Paladin

[fast dew]

Sirius has two eyes

Two. Sets of eyes

[hollow lava]

The face opens up

[fast dew]

Ive. Never hated a design sheet more.

If you have alts.
Why do you not include the alts

[hollow lava]

They can still have alternates

Both of Jades alternates work the same way

[fast dew]

Yeah, but you include them on a design/reference sheet.

So artists can actually.
Draw them

[hollow lava]

Is there a design sheet for Orion?

[fast dew]

^

WRONG REPLY

Throwing myself.

Cbf to go searching again

[hollow lava]

Yeah so I can see Sirus being more Paladin/Support and and Orion being a DPS style

[zenith ore]

Can we get him as a playable character

[hollow lava]

Both Will be

They are the next warframes

[zenith ore]

Really? Hell yeah

[hollow lava]

I keep seeing "Like Equinox" but no, they say Warframes, so plural

[loud oriole]

and atleast now we have a good example of frames that literally cannot have primes

[split quartz]

yeah idk how they would give these two prime variants

[hollow lava]

Can't really feud with yourself, unless your a schizophrenic

[split quartz]

but then again
xaku, revenant, and lavos got primes so........

[hollow lava]

Oh they will be Primed somehow

Insert reason here

[split quartz]

Rev being literally the "fatherless aberration"

[hollow lava]

Add in the Eternalism angle these frames come from too

[pale cedar]

Can just say Void made the Prime

[split quartz]

yeah

[drowsy saddle]

Hunhow primed them

Because balas deserves more middle fingers

[pale cedar]

Wouldn't be the first time he's changed a frame

[drowsy saddle]

Sentient esque Yareli as the babysitter

[dark compass]

Devilman vs Angelman

Thank you DE

Oh messages didn't update

Eternal horrible curse upon my bloodline

[pale cedar]

Lol

Discord making you late

[blissful wraith]

Hi guys its me again giving you a new idea of frame: SEALframe
Well the orokin wanted to experiment what helmknth does to an animal so they caught a pinniped and done it, and jt succeeeded! Uhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seals-fat-seal-seal-retract-scare-seal-gif-4879500682255135297

[drowsy saddle]

We already have an animal turned frame, its called Qorvex

[blissful wraith]

Well its a gorilla but we need the seals, we love seals more...

[zenith ore]

I don't think they will. It would ruin the whole thing, and they can't anyhow

[drowsy saddle]

Eternalism, hunhow, etc etc

[zenith ore]

I'm starting to hate this word

[drowsy saddle]

We have enough deus ex machinas to do anything

[pale cedar]

I've hated it since people started using it wrong

[zenith ore]

^

[drowsy saddle]

We're in the timeline where the definition is different

[fast dew]

-# still not sold on this theory

[pale cedar]

I wanna find the timeline where Eternalism hasn't even been discovered yet

[drowsy saddle]

Tbf, my only evidence is the idle animations being similar

[fast dew]

Id ask if animal minds can be transferred into

[pale cedar]

Person wants Sealframe but I want

[split quartz]

Yeah i figured

[dark compass]

Dino frame is a concept that keeps being brought up

I think it'll happen, it's just a matter of time

[pale cedar]

Ballas and Hammond gonna be making the second frame with 2 fathers

[zenith ore]

YEAAAAAAAHHHH DINOSAURS

[pale cedar]

Someone should open some Aya till we find the secrets

[dark compass]

Varzia should make unboxing content

[pale cedar]

The new founders edition

1 Dino frame ever

[humble sierra]

We don't actually have any detail on the gameplay yet. It's likely just one Warframe because

1. It'd be a lot of work to get two Warframes in one update, unless we're not getting one in the Fall update
2. They're both the same dude so their kit should be identical

[hollow lava]

They've referred to them in the plural, its going to be two. But they're likely going to have the same casting animations for abilities but will have different effects

It won't be Equinox like

I think they want to avoid that

[humble sierra]

There's a difference between "these two guys are Warframes" and "Here's our first look at the two newest Warframes"

[hollow lava]

Which they said we'd see next devstream

Warframes

[blissful wraith]

Woah woah woah @hollow lava @humble sierra we got Orion and Sirius fighting in the official warframe server before the update even realeases? It cant be rjght

[hollow lava]

Hey, Im Stalker hahahah

[blissful wraith]

Orion vs Sirius ahh looking avatar keep fighrinf

[hollow lava]

Who's your daddy hahahaa

[humble sierra]

There's also a big difference between practiced speeches/written news, and words said on stream when extremely excited about what they're presenting

[blissful wraith]

Hey, Orion and Sirius are just Dante and Vergil? Both lost their moms, and there is atleast one seeking absolute power something something

[humble sierra]

The main reason I'm skeptical is because the devstream report or whatever doesn't mention anything about Orion or Sirius being the next playable Warframe, let alone the next two playable Warframes

[hollow lava]

They said they were going to show them off next stream and reffered to them as warframes.

[humble sierra]

I definitely believe he will be the next Warframe though, it makes total sense

[hollow lava]

I also think they absolutely want to avoid another Equinox

[fast dew]

But i don't think they're gonna be two lol

[fast dew]

Why? Equinox is fine

Her grind even got better

[hollow lava]

They used warframes in the plural, Im going with what was said

[drowsy saddle]

Just make like half her augments innate already

[humble sierra]

They also didn't mention that Stalker would be playable in the quest

But an official written article revealed that

[hollow lava]

"As you might have guessed from the animated short, Orion and Sirius didn't arrive in the Orb Vallis on their own. Joining them are two new faces that were also revealed during the stream: Vena, the Protoframe version of Garuda, and Ryoku, the Protoframe version of Ash. Each has taken one of the feuding brothers under their respective wings, and they both play a significant role in shaping their never-ending conflict"

From the website, its all in plural.

[humble sierra]

Devstreams are chaotic and there's a lot of excitement and they aren't always able to say exact things

[pale cedar]

Got a link to that article?

[fast dew]

I mean
Rebb said Albrecht has multiple kids, despite my scepticism, doesn't mean its necessarily true

[drowsy saddle]

Speculate schmeculate, all that's important is how much of their fit is an armor set and how much can we fashionframe em?

[humble sierra]

They are two separate characters

[humble sierra]

It's the one for Belly of the Beast returning, the last little section mentions that

[fast dew]

Also, they're made possible to be two different characters because of eternalism, but by eternalism's own rules, they cannot exist at the same time, in the same slot of spacetime

[hollow lava]

And separate warframes. They are showing both off

[fast dew]

And eternalism dictates it physically cannot be two warframes

[hollow lava]

Well they clearly are existing together.

[fast dew]

Well, they're not gonna

[hollow lava]

Since this is a feud

[humble sierra]

Sorry it's the main article

"Before you step back into the role of the Stalker in June, you'll have the chance to aid him once more in defending the memory of Jade from the clutches of Parvos Granum! Operation: Belly of the Beast returns on May 4 at 2 p.m. ET to June 1 at 2 p.m. ET. Both new and returning Rewards will be up for grabs — including exclusive offerings earned by playing with your Clanmates."

https://www.warframe.com/en/news/jade-shadows-constellations

[fast dew]

The void. They can fight in the void and void weak areas.

[hollow lava]

They both came to our timeline to capture Stalker, Rebb said that on stream

[humble sierra]

Yeah the quest might have them merge into one or something

[fast dew]

Yeah, and they physically cannot be in the same slot of spacetime

[radiant pier]

waddup

[hollow lava]

And DE plays lose with the rules ALL the time

[fast dew]

Thats why operator and drifter cannot be in the same room unless its a void saturated area

No. Not with eternalism.

They've actually been rather strict with it

[blissful wraith]

OH GOD ORION AND SIRIUS ARE FIGHTING IN THIS CHAT BEFORE THE UPDATE WHY IS IT HAPPENING

[humble sierra]

@pale cedar

[hollow lava]

As you might have guessed from the animated short, Orion and Sirius didn't arrive in the Orb Vallis on their own

[loud oriole]

Sirion or Orius

[fast dew]

Going as so far to avoid bootstrap paradoxes because of it

[hollow lava]

Very first sentence

[pale cedar]

Found it

“Our former "Unannounced 2026 Update" has been revealed as Jade Shadows: Constellations, a continuation of 2024's Jade Shadows featuring a new Quest that will once again put you in control of the Stalker as he navigates the complexities of fatherhood.”

[fast dew]

And im gonna hold your hand
Sometimes things arent the same as you think

[humble sierra]

That's referring to the Protoframes, no?

[drowsy saddle]

With how many times we do BoTB, you'd think parvos would catch the hint

[fast dew]

Roathe was stated to have been stopped other throwing the orokin empire by Albrecht

Do you think, by that statement alone, Albrecht did it on purpose

[humble sierra]

Yeah I wish other events re-ran as much as it

[hollow lava]

They all arrived, meaning all 4 are on our Orb Vallis at the same time

[fast dew]

Well

[humble sierra]

I wasn't around for Gargoyle Cry

[fast dew]

They're not.

Sirus and Orion cannot be.

[hollow lava]

They are though

[fast dew]

The other protoframes can as they're not going to have their own versions in the same spacetime slot

[hollow lava]

They both came to our time to capture stalker

[fast dew]

And do you not think it wasn't as one form

[hollow lava]

Rebb literally says this

[fast dew]

And rebb can be wrong!

She's a human. She can be wrong.

[hollow lava]

ITS HER GAME

[humble sierra]

Again there's a very high chance that when they're trying to force themselves into being in the same place it causes the universe to start tearing itself up and we intervene by merging the two timelines into one, so now Sirius/Orion are one person— whatever the new playable Warframe will be— and then the new Protos are also here

[fast dew]

Again, she can be wrong.

Its also not her game, she's only recently became the creative director lol

[drowsy saddle]

Not even that, why didn't this operation include arcanes? I flat out skipped it because of it

[hollow lava]

Not so recent anymore dude

[pale cedar]

As much as she is CD she still has a team

[fast dew]

Creative director =/= indisputable proof of everything

[hollow lava]

That was like 4, 5 years ago

[fast dew]

Especially when said in a improv statement