lore-discussion

[narrow pendant]

which doesnt make it seem like its the case of "oh its concept not necessarily canon"

[tall echo]

not like new war is really that far

[pale cedar]

Albrecht likes 99 years

Technically all quests could take place over a few days weeks or years

[narrow pendant]

ehh id say at least months

ropalolist implies some sort of timespan where lotus was gone as natah

[pale cedar]

DE Don't give how long has it been

[tall echo]

at least 3

[narrow pendant]

id say roughly 3 until end of new war

[tall echo]

seconds

[pale cedar]

Fastest universe ever

[narrow pendant]

after that the timetravel stuff makes timelines highly character specific lol

[narrow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-made-in-heaven-jojos-bizarre-adventure-part-6-gif-5155224068707363004

obligatory reference

[ashen pulsar]

I meant how long could he keep going

the cracks were there

[pale cedar]

Not very as of Chains of Harrow

Wally beat him

[ashen pulsar]

and now our operator is shouldering the finger dude

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159566087059419156/1460387350294302914/IMG_7557.gif

[pale cedar]

Now the Tenno faction have the responsibility to deal with him

[worn cypress]

this insect

[humble sierra]

Who's to say that Warframe's timeline still uses A.D.?

Could be like 1099... A.N. (After Narmer)

Or like AND (after naga drums), IMO that would probably be the event that people in universe would set years around

[radiant pier]

A.D?!?

ANNO DOMINI?

[ashen pulsar]

@pale cedar I have a new question, you still here?

[pale cedar]

Ye

[ashen pulsar]

didn't we deliver sirius/orion?

[tall echo]

yes

[ashen pulsar]

like our tenno

[pale cedar]

We helped Jade get it out, yeah

[ashen pulsar]

what happened in the timelines without us

were we just not a necessary factor in the delivery

[pale cedar]

Jade pregnant forever

[humble sierra]

The split is after the naming

[pale cedar]

Or that, yeah

[tall echo]

wdym

they're different because of the name not because we weren't there to help

[ashen pulsar]

how were they delivered

[tall echo]

.

[tall echo]

same as ours

[ashen pulsar]

gah wait I get confused sometimes.
this is an eternalism thing, correct?

[tall echo]

yes

for once, it actually is

[twin wigeon]

roathe is rolling in his grave at the thought

[fast dew]

Good

[humble sierra]

Yeah both Orion and Sirius are coming from the future

[twin wigeon]

well maybe not grave... where do the triad sleep

[fast dew]

Let me kick him in the ribs

[tall echo]

let me stab him in the ribs

[humble sierra]

A crypt so he might actually sleep in a sort of grave

[twin wigeon]

i mean marie would like that, sleeping in a crypt

[fast dew]

Probably a room closer to the labs somewhere

Loid leaves occasionally, i would expect to his room

[ashen pulsar]

when wally killed every clone of the operator in other timelines, was that only for the past, so other timeline branches from then on have the operator?

[tall echo]

it's never said that he killed every alternate version

[twin wigeon]

i think he killed off any other operator that didnt make the deal with him

[humble sierra]

It's also implied those are just ones that didn't make the deal or whatever, so they still have a past but no future

[thorn shard]

My immediate thought after seeing sirius and orian was that they just like us fr. Hope they bring both operator and drifter into this quest

[twin wigeon]

they could be more like stalker

in which they dont have nor need an operator

[fast dew]

I hope its operator centric

[humble sierra]

Assuming we have Drifter in post-story stuff because of KIM chats with the new Protos, while Operator's the main story

Though we're confirmed to be playing as Stalker again

[twin wigeon]

i hope its drifter centric

hunhow respects drifter more i feel like

[fast dew]

Hunhow thought we are the same person

Which. Is technically true but not in the way he thought

[twin wigeon]

i mean he knows we're the same i think but drifter did liberate the system from narmer control

[ashen pulsar]

ah

[fast dew]

Either or, its never clear if it was drifter who killed ballass or if it was operator

[twin wigeon]

they even saved natah despite having no relationship with her bc margulis never saved drifter and thus natah or lotus never met them

well i guess drifter does have natahs hand still

[tall echo]

I mean
natah did unintentionally save drifter

[fast dew]

Its not particularly clear on whos gonna be playing quests, but im firm on thinking whispers was operator [loid calls us operator]

[twin wigeon]

i think operator is more a title than a name, seeing as both drifter and operator can operate warframes after tnw
-# is drifter and operator forklift certified?

[pale cedar]

Chosen Operator vs Warframe Operator

[fast dew]

Eh, not when loid will call the other drifter, which. I think is the difference

The general title is tenno

[twin wigeon]

then again, it could likely be more drifter centric bc there will be protoframes somewhere and uhhhh i don't think tiny youse will know abt them

[fast dew]

Which. Loid uses up until we get blasted out of the warframe we use

[fast dew]

Mm, operator messages drifter after whispers telling them where they need to go

[twin wigeon]

why can't the child meet the protos? i get they're traumatized and drifter doesn't want to burden them

[fast dew]

They do, iirc, the triad will come out in the main labs

[twin wigeon]

they do? who gave the operator an email address???

[pale cedar]

Loid says Operator because a white formerly blue man created a title of Chosen Operator

[fast dew]

They just can't go into the cathedral

[ocean geyser]

Void email

[fast dew]

Loid did, clearly

[twin wigeon]

makes sense

[twin wigeon]

do yk where i can find a "copy" of this email, i don't think i recieved one after whispers

[fast dew]

Lemme find it

[pale cedar]

Operator mails Drifter to tell them to go to 1999

I think Operator forgot there was already a quest saying Drifter is going

[ocean geyser]

They give Drifter the phone i think

[twin wigeon]

well yeah but the protos never directly interact with operator unless i might've missed a kim chat where they did interact

[ocean geyser]

Actually the email is the quest unlock email

Operator literally emails Drifter the entire quest

[twin wigeon]

nah, both drifter and operator do have a kinepage technically, just the same kinepage and not their kinepage

isn't the kinepage we have, arthur's?

[pale cedar]

Arthur had to get a new one

[twin wigeon]

LOL

[fast dew]

“1999

Hey. I think you know where you need to go. I will stay here, I will watch her, them, everyone. I'll be waiting for you to get answers and come back to us. Whatever happens in that year, whatever makes it so important, figure it out.

Okay, I guess you should really get going.

Please find him.

– Operator

P.S i don't know how to prove it, but it really is me, not... it. Remember our meal on the Zariman?”

I wouldn't see a reason why Operator would send an email to drifter if drifter experienced it directly

[pale cedar]

“I don't know how to prove it”

Proceeds to prove it

[twin wigeon]

ehhhhhh not really, the zariman meal could've been wally still

although wait, wally was somewhat dormant or terrorizing albrecht at the time

[ocean geyser]

Inb4 wally doesn’t know how to eat :3

[twin wigeon]

but he does know how to make lips

👄

[ocean geyser]

That’s probably just Neci

[twin wigeon]

both possibly

[ashen pulsar]

he read it from alberts cranium

[ocean geyser]

Neci gets added to the consciousness and immediately goes “make a construct with giant lips”

And it happens

[twin wigeon]

"Added to the consciousness" its not a groupchat 🤣

[ocean geyser]

Hey you never know

Murmur Discord

[tall echo]

murcord

[ocean geyser]

…..

[smoky gulch]

They don't /whisper there, just /murmur

[twin wigeon]

...

[radiant pier]

BE QUIET SIMARIS

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/cephalon-simaris-simaris-warframe-sanctuary-onslaught-intensify-gif-11759037

[daring tusk]

I remember one line of roathe where he said grandma gave up a good name or sthng sthng about i think its tied to dagath but idk if its new lore. Can anyone explain?

[daring tusk]

My leecher ass with a lvl 30 frame and lvl 0 weapons but with no mods: "IM TRYING MY BEST"

[twin wigeon]

old lore. Dagath, the warframe, has no original name due to a long backstory. the Frame encounters Grandma ready to kill her, while she had nothing to give to the Frame, bc on Naberus you're supposed to give gifts, so Grandma gives the frame her name

[devout fractal]

I should get on for lore. But do I have the mental energy for the old peace…

I’ve heard it’s despairing

[radiant pier]

it's not really that long

way shorter than new war

[twin wigeon]

its just gas and mirrors

[devout fractal]

THE LENGHT IS NOT THE ISSUE ITS THE SAD :(

[twin wigeon]

dew it

[devout fractal]

Mirrorssss

[radiant pier]

I lose Ordis? :<

[twin wigeon]

dew it so i can send you to hell

[radiant pier]

I did the anthem quest

I LOSE ORDIS? :<<<

NOOOO HOW DO I

HOW DO I GET HIM BACK

[tall echo]

what quest are you doing what

[radiant pier]

OH WAIT BYE

[twin wigeon]

octavias anthem

[radiant pier]

AM IN THE DATASCAPE THING, DO I DO THIS WITH OCTAVIA LOL

I have her prime

gifted to me awhile ago

oh my god I hate this already

[tall echo]

frame doesn't matter there

[devout fractal]

hUH

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/elmoerc-elmo-elmoarmy-elmofos-gif-7653063194150917692

[deep smelt]

So is it confirmed that jade had two babies???

[twin wigeon]

no, just the one

[tall echo]

same one from different futures

[dark compass]

It's... Eternalism

[radiant pier]

SIMARIS THE GOAT WITH THE CLUTCH?

SIMARIS THE TSUNDERE?

[brave robin]

i combined the impact frames to be a cool wallpaper

thought i'd share

[radiant pier]

I do wonder what hunhow's gonna do

surely he takes up more of a weird gram-gram role, yeah?

[radiant pier]

okay wait that's badass

[scenic oar]

Should I build jade to play the soon to be released quest ? Wanna use their mother to whoop the kids arse (if any)

Mommy coming to whoop arse

[radiant pier]

sure why not

[scenic oar]

Just wonder will there be any special dialogue if we use jade

Seems highly possible

[scenic oar]

Mom and dad pix

[tall echo]

Probably won't play as your frame

[cosmic badge]

They actually line up very well

[radiant pier]

ngl if we can, I might just bring good ole' Exca Umbra

[radiant pier]

who wrote this lmao

it's perfect

[pale cedar]

I’m so drained rn after a convo in the other server

Had someone quadrupling down on that Excal Prime was automatically the first when nothing says it

Their evidence for it was just

We see and use a Prime

[celest needle]

They gained the aura farming from the stalker

[pale cedar]

Like father, like son

X2 technically

[radiant pier]

y'all think they had an aura off or something?

[pale cedar]

Aura battle

[radiant pier]

just showing each other different poses

[dark compass]

i wonder what weapon this is

heavy scythe?

[tall echo]

polearm

blade too smal for scythe

[celest needle]

I think they're using placeholders there

since Sirius is just using the Orthos

[dark compass]

Oh shit he does

[old wharf]

Is that genshin impact?

Bee Swarm simulator?

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-itachi-uchiha-naruto-anime-gif-gif-6980510505105788152

[old wharf]

Counter.

[brittle siren]

Did Hunhow ever get beaten by the Orokin pre-Uranus phase? Besides the one that he pretended to lose

[pale cedar]

No

[gleaming helm]

I hope this is the correct channel anyway i've got one question...what exactly were those 2 videos about and why are there 2 with the same content just different names? I have no clue what's going on there

[pale cedar]

Have you done Jade Shadows?

[gleaming helm]

ehhh let me check i am not good with the names of the chapters

ok yes i did everything except new peace and the new intro quest

[pale cedar]

It's about the baby in Jade Shadows

That's grown up at least a bit

There are 2 in it due to Eternalism

Sirius and Orion

[gleaming helm]

ohhhh ok so...he can split in 2 or are they permanently 2 now or was that a metaphorical scene

[pale cedar]

There are 2 now due to Eternalism managing to play a factor

One might be the child you pick the name of as Stalker but older and the other what you didn't pick

[sleek berry]

I can't help but wonder if the Sentient character designs were inspired by (in some sort of way) by body horror artwork

[woven coyote]

Amalgams maybe

But sentients themselves i'd say no

[drowsy saddle]

We haven't seen a xenomorph sentient

[restive river]

I think we’re kinda meant to assume the one we picked is that bad future but the likely catalyst is Stalker abandoning his kid, meaning neither are due to us entirely and hopefully we can go with a third option
Aka
Save stalker

[drowsy saddle]

So no body horror for them yet, outside of what happened to the archons...

[restive river]

Tbh it’s very possible that the constellation crew is driving themselves into a paradox
If they’re hunting him cause he’s a bad dad then maybe he became a bad dad because they hunted him

[drowsy saddle]

Finally, interdimensional child support

Truly the plot of Devil May Cry 6

[old wharf]

Is the TechnoCyte virus omnipresent?

[granite burrow]

I'm waiting for my translation hero.

[upbeat glacier]

Realistic question does the operator or drifter need to eat or sleep while in a Warframe?

[stiff beacon]

its collective memory seems to be

[pale cedar]

The frame wouldn't stop the need to eat because we aren't actually in the frame and frames also need to eat

[strange plinth]

she really has corpus, hollvanian, and some form of orokin text on her huh
the corpus text on her claws n midsection are "lorem" and "ipsum" respectively, standard meaningless placeholder latin. i would not be surprised if the rest follows the same format, but i'll take another look

[devout fractal]

Listen I may be gay but AMIR IS SUCH A SILLY GUY I WANNA BE SILLY

[strange plinth]

real

[devout fractal]

I’m between Amir or Eleanor

[ocean geyser]

She looks so chopped in her concept art lmfao

[strange plinth]

the hollvanian text on that little patch probably says "agent" (aye-j-ih-n-t), the '08' is obvious
still getting stuck on the yellow text on her leg, haven't tried the large red text on the other leg

[old wharf]

Being in Hollvanian during the purge year of 1999 would lowkey be fun

Deimos would be even better but, 1999 is still a good option

[dire mountain]

"Purge year" I think you're missing the elephant in the room

[tall echo]

Plague year not purge year

Also, no

Either you get ill and die or you get "removed" from your home via bullet or gas

[hollow lava]

Theyre coming back for him though. Probably means he got taken out in their timeline.

[restive river]

Yes they are
I’m saying that by going after him they could take him out which causes him to not be there for his kid which then would result in those two possibilities

[hollow lava]

They are coming back, to bring Stalker back to their timeline

Rebb said that on stream

[restive river]

And I’m saying by doing that they then cause their own possible futures :p

This is pretty simple time paradox stuff lol

[hollow lava]

I think the quest will end with choosing to help Sirius or Orion

And the kids left in our care

Drifters likely since Operator is going to Tau

[restive river]

I think it will end with us denying either possibility, denying them from taking him which results in him not leaving his kid and thus we ensure our future is not one of those two possible ones

[restive river]

Both are going to Tau
And we aren’t going yet, we don’t even have a way there

[hollow lava]

Says who exactly?

[restive river]

The devs????

They said both are going lol
This was a few streams back

[dire mountain]

The video game??

[hollow lava]

Thats 100% confirmed on a steam?

[restive river]

Lotus mentions it too in the amalgam dialogue lol

[restive river]

You can’t pull out the “rebb said so” and then not believe me when I’m saying the same thing lol

We got the same source here lol

[dire mountain]

Like theres multiple conversations about it on the POM-2 that are like "I know you say you're staying but we both know you'll be called away after Albrecht"

And like, the Operator has personal reasons to go in the old peace other than albrecht

[restive river]

Also the whole Lotus mentioning us being amalgams and how the sentients of Tau may react to us

[hollow lava]

I haven't gone through KIM, partly because I hate it and stopped after I did what was required

[celest needle]

Okay but the convos are really funny

[hollow lava]

Its cringe

[restive river]

Says you lol

The Triad are much worse in terms of writing

[hollow lava]

It takes away from the coolness of em

[restive river]

Nah

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[restive river]

It makes em more human

[dire mountain]

The triad are...

Well they exist thats for sure

[hollow lava]

Like I said I stopped after I got the requirements

[dire mountain]

Love my goat Loid though

[celest needle]

i have not touched the triad KIM since The old peace came out lol

[hollow lava]

I hope Ash and Garuda don't get any Kim dialogue

[dire mountain]

I engaged with the triad to reunite Loid

Genuinely interesting dialogue comes from it

[hollow lava]

It would kill the cool factor of them

[dire mountain]

Like oh you know ||Vilcor being aware of the Murmur this entire time||

Nothing big

[hollow lava]

Oh I know what happens, I saw the YouTube stuff

[restive river]

They probably will lol

[dire mountain]

(See that's what we call lying for comedic effect)

[restive river]

How does talking to people remove the cool factor

[hollow lava]

They said they might not considering Garuda is obsessed with Orion

[restive river]

No, that was regarding dating lol

[dire mountain]

KIM ≠ romanceable

Roundtable being the example of this

[hollow lava]

I hope they just, dont include them

Not every proto needs an MSN

[restive river]

It kinda comes with them though
That’s the point

[dire mountain]

Doesn't seem like these will have it

[hollow lava]

Doesn't mean all do

[restive river]

They very well could lol

[hollow lava]

Then fine, but it seems like they dont

[restive river]

It seems like we don’t actually know enough lol

[celest needle]

How would they get access to a POM-2 anyway 😭

[restive river]

How do the Triad? lol

[hollow lava]

It kinda seems like they dont given the response from Reb

[celest needle]

They use the same account on Loids POM-2

[restive river]

That was regarding romance

[woven coyote]

The triad use the lab one

[restive river]

Yes that’s
My point

[hollow lava]

It could be entirely too though

They could skip it and save it for the next set of protos in the end of year update

Which would make more sense

[restive river]

It could be, but every proto thus far has had kim convos
It does seem to largely be baked into them and while YOU don’t like it many do

[strange plinth]

actually hte POM-2 makes a big resurgence after the triad use the one in the labs and bring it elsewhere, they have one on their stolen ships already /s

[woven coyote]

Lol

[restive river]

I mean if Albrecht is involved, and he likely is, he could have set them up to some extent lol

[celest needle]

Albrecht personally gives every protoframe batch a pom-2

[restive river]

What every protoframe has had is both a gemini emote and a KIM convo
I think if they were outright not doing it they would have said

[hollow lava]

Majority of the conversations Ive had; are sick of it

[restive river]

Ok
Don’t do it then if it comes out
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it

[hollow lava]

Just add a cool Proto skin and craft good quest and leave it at that

[restive river]

The protoframes promise two things, thus far
Gemini emote
Kim convos

[strange plinth]

^ the people who enjoy it will continue to do so
not everything is for everyone

[hollow lava]

Thats not always the answer. Not every Proto requires a KIM

[hollow lava]

Its overkill

[restive river]

It’s not

[hollow lava]

It is

[restive river]

It really isn’t lol

Every proto should have a KIM convo to some extent as it adds to what the protos are
Characters, people, with an entire storyline behind them other than what they’ve been tied to

[hollow lava]

It is, not every Proto needs it. Romances or not.

[celest needle]

it gives lore and personality to otherwise one note characters

[hollow lava]

And it really water's shit down

[woven coyote]

What?

That makes no sense

[hollow lava]

It will get bloated

Not every single Proto needs it, you can craft a good story and leave it at that

Not every warframe should be a Proto either

[restive river]

Have fun being wrong ig

[hollow lava]

Really cheapes the whole thing

[woven coyote]

That kim chat is the good story

Besides the quest is about sirius and orion

[hollow lava]

Its so cringe

[woven coyote]

Lol

Oh no more backstory that is sooooo cringe

[restive river]

I hope they get kim convos too /j

[restive river]

That is literally their logic

[woven coyote]

How dare people want the backstory of the side characters in a quest

[strange plinth]

groupchat with the temporal twins
min/vel 2 with all their arguing

[hollow lava]

Getting to it, its a drippy faucet. Just get to the point vs having the cringe, flirty dialogue

[woven coyote]

Pfft

[restive river]

Omg yes lol

[hollow lava]

Most of it is just "word diarrhea"

[celest needle]

okay then again he could have a point
that we just can't see

[restive river]

I’d love a groupchat with any of the protos
New or old

[restive river]

Maybe for the Triad, cause they were like
Actually terrible lol

[woven coyote]

I get the vibes of this one dnd horror story i heard of a pc that just said "my character says nothing and broods in a corner"

[restive river]

LOL

reminds me of the dnd story where the players had to introduce their characters and this guy said his came in via like
Meteor or whatever it was

DM said they instantly died cause ofc they did, they just hit the ground at mach 5

[woven coyote]

Lol

[restive river]

Speaking of going really fast
Sirius and Orion were going at insane speeds

I’m genuinely curious what their abilities are gonna be and how they’ll differ

[feral cape]

Man this guy like almost has my opinion but worse in almost every manner

[restive river]

Both are giving fire progenitor so
Wahoo another fire frame lol

[woven coyote]

Whole month left

[restive river]

Yup!
It’ll fly by, hopefully

[celest needle]

Ember found dead in ditch with Uriel pissing on it

[woven coyote]

Ember never stood a chance

[pale cedar]

At least it's not an Isleweaver level wait length cuz we had to wait like 4 months for Isleweaver with not much content to make it go by

[hollow lava]

They could draw inspiration from each dominant parent, or from their mentors.

So Sirus= Jade or Ash
Orion= Stalker/Garuda

Ability wise

[dire mountain]

I think abilities will be parent but personality and temperment be mentor

[restive river]

Temple playin a lil song while the temporal twins dance on Ember’s grave

[hollow lava]

It could be a bit of both

[dire mountain]

Probably but like, mainly

[hollow lava]

Sirus could be more support

Orion more dps

[tidal loom]

Hi

[dire mountain]

Thats the safe idea though I'd like it to be the opposite

[woven coyote]

Honestly i still dont think orion makes any sense

[restive river]

I do think part of the quest will be about ensuring neither of these two futures happen
Aka
Don’t let Stalker get taken and killed so he can parent his kid which averts these two realities

[restive river]

Oh? How so :o

[hollow lava]

Id rather they take there styles from the parent. It makes sense that way

[dire mountain]

"It would be kinda neat to invert the identity of Stalker and Jade and have Sirius be damage oriented and Orion as support as it would be like him carving out an identity separate from one parent and supplementing where the other lacks ykwim"

[woven coyote]

Sirius having jade like powrs makes sense because he was in his mothers womb when she received the jade serum

But orion really doesnt have any precedents to go off of

[celest needle]

How is frost like one of the only if not the only ice frame in existense lol

[dire mountain]

Boy do I have a concept for you

[restive river]

Oh wait
I just realized something.
So the universe compensates for there being two versions of our Operator in reality by placing one in a void bubble
This does not seem to be the case for Sirius and Orion despite their situation being incredibly similar

[strange plinth]

i feel like the abilities have to be derived from jade's in some way
like.
they would've gotten some form of that same helminth injection, right
jade manages to be pretty good at support and damage, so having each focus on only one of those seems probable

[celest needle]

either a plot point or they're different enough

[hollow lava]

I dunno, Having Garuda as your mentor and being a Support frame doesn't make much sense.

[restive river]

Orion got the edgy side from his dad ig???
Maybe Stalker taught him something before dipping
It depends ig

[hollow lava]

Theyre clearly all about the murder lol

[restive river]

Drifter and Operator are different enough
So it’s either a plot point or they forgot

[strange plinth]

there'd be a third variant of them, too
maybe that's the one that gets tossed into the void bubble (or equivalent)??

[woven coyote]

That still isnt a precedent, least with the warframe examples we have had so far

Like even mirage had a conscious effort on her part

But the end of jade shadows doesnt even give an inkling of that

[woven coyote]

Thats the thing tho he doesnt have any relation to stalkers helminth batch

Remember they had the baby before being found out and turned

[restive river]

True there is baby them, but that may be different cause it’s normal time travel
The universe compensating, to me, seemed to be due to the eternalism situation of them being the same person

[restive river]

It could be their DNA recognized Stalker and took from it to a degree?

[strange plinth]

helminth shenanigans potentially

[hollow lava]

I also see a "Nature vs Nurture" tie into this

So Ash Nuturer Sirius and Vena left Orion to his true nature.

[woven coyote]

Would be opposite then

[hollow lava]

How would that be the case?

[restive river]

Sirius and Orion shouldn’t be able to exist at the same point in spacetime due to being the same person from two possible histories
And yet they do, but how?
It could be cause helminth stuff maybe but it does make me curious, in the Tenno’s case we got the void bubble but is that also due to us being, to an extent, of the void as well as being the same person

[woven coyote]

Sirius is the green one

Same as the color he was born as and the powers he showed

[hollow lava]

If Vena left Orion to his nature, the dominant Stalker side: Dude wants violence

[restive river]

Sirius also has the eyes he was born with

[strange turtle]

IIRC Reb said they would have something else

[strange plinth]

oh, maybe it is helminth
the universe has no issue with several of the same frame existing, so that infestation link might be preventing the Eternalism Compensation

[woven coyote]

That makes no sense

[strange turtle]

And then later on said the thing about no romance when they were showcasing Vena Cava

OH THATS WHY

[restive river]

I hope its still a kim convo in some regard, in some way

[woven coyote]

Stalker became violent after being turned

And again they had the baby before being turned

[stiff fable]

Just Roathe spamming curse words into chat

[strange turtle]

They really called the woman with the blood fixation “Vein” 😭

[strange plinth]

oh lmao

[strange turtle]

Please tell me Ryoku means Knife or smthj

[woven coyote]

Anyone remember where were the mentor lines again?

[stiff fable]

also there's an even dumber possibility that Orion and Sirius are receiving Helminth updates from their future selves in an outright paradox

[stiff fable]

on the different versions of the trailer on YT

[restive river]

Maybe!
Idr if it was me or my partner but we had the idea that they both followed the “trail” back to when they were a baby, likely when they would know their father exists which may also be when he abandons them
I do really think that without us intervening they’ll just end up in a loop of their own making lol

[celest needle]

Great work Kojima!

[woven coyote]

Thx

[hollow lava]

So? Orion is literally showed as Stalker being the predominant parent, meaning that Stalkers nature/genetics are what determines his personality and traits.

And Sirus being nurtured by Proto Ash would mean his environment determined his personality.

[woven coyote]

And both mentors are about violence

[woven coyote]

That makes no sense again

[stiff fable]

Reach heaven through violence

[hollow lava]

Makes perfect sense

[restive river]

Temporal twins lose their dad, somehow
Grow up in different ways
Get their protoframe pals
Somehow get eternalism tech
Then go back to grab/kill their father because he left them
Which then causes the kid to be abandoned
Etc etc etc

But if we are there to help and ensure Stalker isn’t killed/taken then those realities don’t happen in our timeline!

[woven coyote]

Like literally both mentors are in cults about violence

[stiff fable]

Ryu: "Kill one person"
Vena: "Kill one person painfully"

[hollow lava]

One clearly shows discipline. The other is pure chaos

[stiff fable]

That's it, that's the difference

[strange plinth]

'prevent a bootstrap paradox' quest

[restive river]

Exactly!
And due to eternalism they can still exist even if we stop it

Could also be that it’s impossible to stop which. Would be sad cause that means Stalker dies ):

[stiff fable]

The real question is how Hunhow is involved

[celest needle]

alternate hunhow perhaps?

[restive river]

Truuue
How is grandpa involved and what does his freedom mean for us now that he’s
Not so awful

[restive river]

The one they break free is ours

[stiff fable]

I mean he STILL plans to kill absolutely everyone

[celest needle]

HE'S GETTING OUT????

[stiff fable]

He's just doing the Bender thing

[drowsy ether]

He saw that the Time Twins want to probably do bad shit to him so he's breaking out to give his buddy a helping hand

[restive river]

So bigger problem or maybe he’s a bit more chill

[dire mountain]

One is more Lua but the other is more Sol, litany wise

[restive river]

Yupp
Grandpa’s gonna be free for the first time in well over a thousand years

[celest needle]

bone cracking

[strange plinth]

too busy sitting at the bottom of the ocean n waiting to die
but if he's forcefully released from the bottom of the ocean,

[stiff fable]

He mentions he's staying there because he'd rather die than give up the "kill everyone" mission

[celest needle]

True but he is like really depressed

he just lost his son

[restive river]

This is a shot in the dark but
Maybe Hunhow can fix the rail and maybe he will sacrifice himself to get his daughter to Tau, similar to what his partner did

[stiff fable]

He actually COULD get up out of the chair and get the belt

[woven coyote]

And again the only nature the baby ever showed was the jade oriented one

So if it really was nature and nurture, the ash side would be nature as the green powers won over (especially because again the baby didnt show "stalker side" powers because again the baby existed before the stalker batch)

There is no hint at all that the dark colored one being nature besides being dark colors and atracting edgelords

[stiff fable]

real talk I hope the quest ends with Stalker getting a new form

[hollow lava]

One is clearly a mentor, even if reluctant that means some form of care. Ryoku clearly speaks with discipline behind him, which means hes level headed, so Sirus has been nurtured, molded to be this way.

Vena, clearly the opposite of that.

[restive river]

Depending on how far in the future they are Ryoku and Vena could be like
Children in the outer colonies right now

[stiff fable]

Also I've said it before but we're making a LOT of assumptions about what happens

[restive river]

I just hope it ends with us preventing the possible bootstrap and him not dying-

[woven coyote]

Even vena's dialogue is more nurture because she speculates and tries to set reasons on why orion was abandoned

[hollow lava]

Its really not though

[stiff fable]

Like, I'm pretty sure Vena and Ryoku find the kid after childhood

[hollow lava]

I disagree on that

[dire mountain]

Less dominant and more how he was raised. He has his own path shaped by his mentor. One teaches him to be reluctant and honorable. Seeing violence as only a means to an end but nothing more. The other teaches him to relish it. To let loose

[woven coyote]

She literally goes "oh wow how horrible the parent must be to abandon their baby, let's replace the family"

[stiff fable]

It's not a "I have raised my apprentice their entire life" situation

[strange plinth]

mm, possibly
the rail is made of dead sentients, maybe he'll just actually become the rail
or maybe praghasa will do one of those. she's still around, probably?

[dire mountain]

Violence is his nature regardless, as a Warframe

[restive river]

Well she’s a corpse now but we could probably reuse her as a method to get mom to Tau

[strange plinth]

that reminds me. the bitemark on the sun. that's not been followed up on

[restive river]

This is separate but with being amalgams what does that mean for our sentient parts?
Iirc amalgams lack the void weakness due to being human so maybe it’s chilling or maybe even adapted to our void-saturated DNA, if the sentient pieces truly bound to us

[stiff fable]

I mean

[celest needle]

Why would the stalker abandon his kid?

[restive river]

Also ig it’s confirmed that return visits to Duviri just has Drifter summon their sentient arm since
Those pieces are just a part of them now

[stiff fable]

Lotus lets ropapolyst die to make more amalgams

[strange turtle]

Considering what happened last time a portal like that was opened and it’s consequences ..

Unless we strap the Triadcule to the outside as we go through I doubt it’s a good idea

[stiff fable]

...and there's dialogue implying that Lotus herself is an Amalgam

which explains some things

So the answer seems to be "transhumanism, ho!"

[restive river]

See that’s why I think it’s a possible bootstrap, he doesn’t abandon his kid purposefully but was killed/taken by the temporal twins which then causes them to then happen so they go back to get him which causes them etc etc forever
And I’m hoping we stop that cycle from ever forming within our timeline, averting these futures for us
And due to eternalism they do technically still exist

[woven coyote]

Well only vena is gaslighting orion with the idea he was for certain abandoned

For all we know stalker could have died

Also there's ducky's idea

[restive river]

I would love to strap them to the outside as we go
Can we do that one

[stiff fable]

Like I said the absolute funniest possibility is that the third orb kills Stalker

[restive river]

Oh wait there is :o

[ocean geyser]

See but they’re the first ones to be born rather than built

[restive river]

Still infested

[ocean geyser]

For once you can’t say that they were built for war when they were never built to begin with
Much less for that purpose

[restive river]

The infestation is violent though

[strange plinth]

where's that? i'm not remembering any atm

[restive river]

Like it does just want to share its love but
It does that through teeth and claws and spores and blood

[ocean geyser]

Shrug moji
Im just saying there’s some wiggle room

[celest needle]

But then who would take them?

the Corpus?

[stiff fable]

Natah: "Your great power, your great evil. The Voice, the Void within you. Our ancients still wither at its touch... but have you forgotten Lua? You were saved. But I... I was changed."

Natah: "I was changed. Now I learn. Now I deny. I have seen the wall's other face, too. I have heard the voice. These patterns no longer satisfy. My denial."

[restive river]

Nobody, until their respective proto pals come along

[woven coyote]

That reminds me, ash proto implies the scoria survived in that version

[strange plinth]

oh. hm

[restive river]

I think the change is the whole uh. Dying thing

[stiff fable]

That comes later

[restive river]

Oh nvm then

[stiff fable]

"We suffer these testaments of Tenno evil. Their Voice and Void. Suffer it well, ancient child. Do not relent."

[restive river]

Maybe it survived through him, like he was already an assassin but upon becoming a proto he had a similar thing to Lyon where he “recalls” the Scoria

[woven coyote]

Maybe

[strange plinth]

-# ryoku is an avid leverian visitor

[stiff fable]

god imagine that he's just an Ash otaku

Corpus weeaboo

[strange plinth]

funniest possible option i think

[woven coyote]

I mean, the arbiters of hexis is essentially weeaboo club the syndicate

[strange plinth]

that is. also true

[woven coyote]

Doesnt sound too far fetched

[stiff fable]

tbf they started as Tenno squires

[woven coyote]

That from one of the letters?

[strange plinth]

what's his name idle dialogue

[stiff fable]

incidental dialogue as you rank them up

[restive river]

Zorba?

[strange plinth]

zorba yea

[stiff fable]

we're just seeing a thousand years turning "I wish I could drink" into a koan about the futility of need vs. want

[strange plinth]

-# "We are more than a Syndicate. Our inmost circles hold truths hidden even from the Tenno."
-# "The Tenno of old entrusted the first Arbiters with their secrets, to guard them during the Long Sleep. We have been comrades for lifetimes."
-# "If the Lotus had ever failed you, if her nature ever betrayed her, we Arbiters would have stood ready to guide you."
-# "The Arbiters were not always as we are now. At times we were little more than a cult who dreamed the Tenno would return and rule as god-kings. It is an ugly truth, but it must be spoken."
-# "There are many forms of Arbitration! You probably know those in which we test your fitness through combat, but you might also be tested in poetic composition, or the Serving of the Bitter Tea! Please, uh, forgive my enthusiasm. I forgot my place."
-# "And the voice cried out in pride, saying, 'who are you mites, that you presume to judge an Executor?' But the company of Hexis answered and said, 'we are akin to those millions you have oppressed, and before tomorrow dawns, we shall see justice done.'"

[stiff fable]

There's also one about how the Tenno argue like children and need someone to arbitrate between them

Also hang on does that mean that the Arbiters bagged an Executor?

[normal mountain]

Ironic, all things considered

[strange plinth]

possibly

[normal mountain]

I bet it was Scarne

[stiff fable]

hot damn, best syndicate confirmed

[strange plinth]

mm i was betting on tormis

[stiff fable]

I would have guessed tuvul but that's purely because I think he's the pride executor

[humble sierra]

Sounds like they mostly threatened one (still cool) before the Naga Drums (not cool, imagine if they told the others and everyone was prepared)

[normal mountain]

...what if it was Ballas they threatened?

[strange plinth]

i figured it would've been during the drums
"before tomorrow dawns" n that

[humble sierra]

Ah good point

[woven coyote]

Voruna got tuvuul

[strange turtle]

To give an example of the “secrets” the Tenno entrusted the Arbiters with, even random RJ crewmembers know about the Zariman and how they Tenno got their powers

[stiff fable]

Yup, that's why

[normal mountain]

Fair point
Maybe Tuvuul got spooked, and went to Lua

[strange turtle]

We tread the selfsame Void where the saga began. In the spaces between, we shall learn the truth. All is unfolding as it should.

Let me be worthy of this great office. If I fail, I shall gaze unblinking into the core until my eyes are burned away. I swear it by the Zariman.

[celest needle]

besides steel meridian are the arbiters and suda the most moral syndicate?

[woven coyote]

Meanwhile new loka just wilting

[restive river]

Wasn’t the celebration on Lua?

[stiff fable]

Outer Terminus, no?

[strange turtle]

Nah

[normal mountain]

That, I don't remember

[stiff fable]

According to the Stalker imprint

[strange plinth]

iirc it started at pluto, outer terminus

[restive river]

Oh right thank you

[restive river]

Oh probably cause
The rail
Which is symbolic of the war

[strange turtle]

The Corpus one (I forgot ok) too, but yeah

[normal mountain]

Perrin Sequence

[restive river]

Iirc they’re like
Socialism capitalists?

[strange turtle]

Yeah Perrin

[woven coyote]

Flare's mail specifies pluto terminus

[stiff fable]

IF Loka got to keep or act on their character development from Silver Grove they'd be up there

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

Maybe in 20 years lol

Perrin's an interesting one because they want Adam Smith style capitalism

[restive river]

No idea how that works exactly but I’d take it over the usual money cult any day

[strange turtle]

They believe in a shared and peaceful prosperity, rather than the exploitation, greed and war profiteering of the normal Corpus

[restive river]

Socialism capitalists

[stiff fable]

mutually beneficial exchange of goods and services

[restive river]

Why aren’t we putting them in charge lol

[normal mountain]

So
Fair markets

[strange turtle]

We don’t exactly see how far they actually go into that, but at the very least Glast is willing to bet loads to save a girl and preserve a small culture

[restive river]

We need a Perrin quest where we try to get one of them on the board or something
Force the Corpus to have like. An ethics committee
Maybe stop all the purpose-breeding cause that’s kinda weird ngl

[stiff fable]

fair markets, regulations, oversight and rooting out corruption

[restive river]

Most based capitalist

[normal mountain]

Probably also some monopoly busting

[restive river]

I wonder if Glast is anti-AI

[stiff fable]

Just keep in mind that Ergo Glast is absolutely okay with a little girl burning her life out for the sake of her colony

[normal mountain]

Ambulas

[restive river]

Yeah I just remembered that after sending that lol

[stiff fable]

And his primary concern is the unique infested goods that the colonists extract, not her sacrifice

.>

[strange turtle]

Speaking of AI

[restive river]

Still a capitalist :/

[strange turtle]

Do we think that the Syndicate leadership, at least, know about Natagulotus

[restive river]

Once again Warframe is not black and white

Except with Suda and SM
They’re just
Legit good/neutral lol

[normal mountain]

Palladino does
Other than that, dunno

[restive river]

No

[stiff fable]

Eh, Meridian hates you if you're not cool with their best friends the torturers

[restive river]

She unfortunately is not leadership ):

[strange turtle]

Natah hurrying to get her mask on whenever she has to take a call

[restive river]

Yeah no that is
Weird
But that (and the cannibalism) are the most gray they get ig

Meanwhile Suda is just kinda :)
she wants art and music and thats it

Her sending units after us does not make sense and def feels more gameplay to me than anything else

[normal mountain]

I never understood that alliance
Especially after learning what Red Veil does to the Kavor Defectors

[strange turtle]

I figure it’s more of a convenience thing that actual ideological alignment

[stiff fable]

It's literally just to keep Meridian and Perrin from allying

[restive river]

But
They would be friends ):

[woven coyote]

Would also drive the "corpus trade with anyone" codex point further

[restive river]

They got similar goals kinda and the Corpus working with the Grineer would be amazing
Even if it’s smaller sub-factions

[stiff fable]

They're the groups that make the most absolute sense out of universe to have an alliance as proof that the two factions could in fact work together

buuuuuut no

[restive river]

Artifical uh
Not racism
Idk what to call it

[strange turtle]

Aside from the faction rep balance matter

They’re both largely militant forces focused on all-out war and battle against the same enemies

[stiff fable]

preserving the status quo

[restive river]

Yeah ):

What does that teach new tenno smh

[stiff fable]

I probably would have made arbiters ally with Veil instead

[restive river]

That would make a bit more sense ig

[stiff fable]

as fellow mystics who follow different paths

[restive river]

Chaos v Order

[stiff fable]

yeah that's a good one

[restive river]

Fass and Vome

[woven coyote]

I'd make the alliances
Suda+loka (preservation)
Arbiters+red veil (tenno connection)
Meridian+perrin(humanity)

[strange turtle]

They might have differences in their methods and standards, but when you’re fighting against what they are and have the same seeming lack of other options, not much other choice than to grit your teeth and turn a blind eye, or to address the issues and sour your relationship with an important ally

[stiff fable]

Suda and Loka is genuinely fascinating

[restive river]

You cooked
My only complaint is Loka is there at all but they unfortunately have to exist

[strange plinth]

"The Red Veil think that they are senior to us! What do they know of what we know?"
thanks, zorba

[stiff fable]

Loka care about biology, Suda cares about knowledge and culture

[woven coyote]

Hey they have to be somewhere and at least suda would like uhhh cataloguing their seeds

[stiff fable]

man that actually is a fantastic paradigm

[restive river]

Bro needs to read a book smh

oh wait

[restive river]

Truuuue
Natural beauty!

[normal mountain]

"Zorba, have you ever heard the name Rell?"

[woven coyote]

I mean rell was more aware than the average tenno so it tracks imo

[stiff fable]

okay so

We've seen Iron Wake

[strange plinth]

he's right about the veil being newer but they probably know about the same amount about the tenno tbh

[stiff fable]

Now design a headquarters for another syndicate

[restive river]

If you could pick one
Which one

I would love an art gallery in the weave from Suda, personally

[normal mountain]

Perrin Sequence

[strange plinth]

oh that'd be so cool

[stiff fable]

Being completely honest? I think Loka's HQ would be gorgeous

[restive river]

Actually wait
Imagine it, an art gallery in the weave that shows your codex and all of the music :o

[normal mountain]

Tree house

[stiff fable]

like, genuinely, nothing else in the game at all

Straight up grab a tile from Soulframe or something

[normal mountain]

Tree
House

[restive river]

I would love to see anything Corpus
I’ve been wanting Corposium for years

New Loka would play Soulframe and then complain when they see the fey lol

[stiff fable]

That'd be cool! Also, you could have Olmedi there, to grade your codex

[restive river]

YESSSS

[strange turtle]

Ik it wouldn’t be there, but I’m imagining a… not really reformed but, better, New Loka temple or shrine, in the Grove

[strange plinth]

i feel like red veil's would be close to the kuva fortress visually
we have a little bit of their 'style' via the harrow chamber
although all i really remember of it is the 'tree' and the banners

[normal mountain]

Like Professor Oak grading your Pokedex?

[celest needle]

What would new loka say to Kahl?

[restive river]

New Loka but they’re just about the nature and preservation aspect and not the purity of humanity thing

[restive river]

They’d shoot him point blank same as SM

[strange plinth]

probably slurs

[fast dew]

Like drusus' levarian but.. art..

[restive river]

Exactly!

[celest needle]

But he's kahl....

[stiff fable]

Gathering enough fragments, somachords, prexes and master enough gear and they give decorations

[strange turtle]

Pre-Silver Grove
“Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww”
Post-Silver Grove
“Ewwwwwwwww”

[stiff fable]

Evolving decorations even, like lander skins

[restive river]

And they’re alarmingly similar nazis and he’s something they no like

Kahl is the goat
But Loka’s just. Rotten

[stiff fable]

LOL a new take on New Loka would have them get the farming minigame DE was going to use for the Duviri plants

[normal mountain]

...to the core?

[restive river]

Yes

[stiff fable]

Loka's the one syndicate that has character development tbh

[restive river]

I would like to see a good Loka member

[strange plinth]

unfortunately
like you said their goal of preserving/restoring earth is fine n cool but then they go into the purity of humanity thing

[stiff fable]

But because they have to keep sending hate mail, they can't actually show it

[fast dew]

Can't model minority his way out of new loka being bastards

[restive river]

It’s literally like “omg yeah I agree” and then they mention the purity thing and I’m just
Running

[celest needle]

why can't the corpus switch off the narmer os?

are they stupid?

[restive river]

Sentient tech beat all other tech

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/assuming-direct-control-mass-effect--k01KQ3DECR26E1B86W22C82XKAJ

[restive river]

Thats why we are comparatively low tech

[fast dew]

Shout out to the random solaris who will say all as one even after the new war

[restive river]

Bro is a vr chat player

[fast dew]

[normal mountain]

You know what would be funny?
If it was a fake Veil, and he just forgot Narmer wasn't in control anymore

[fast dew]

Maybe they're a narmer rat...

[restive river]

He wants that piss warm comfort back

[fast dew]

Piss warm 😭

[strange turtle]

At least it’s not piss cold

[restive river]

THAT’S WHAT BALLS SAID

[stiff fable]

He should just drink Bud Light :X

[fast dew]

[normal mountain]

And that, is why we 😭

[stiff fable]

get all the warm piss he wants that way

[restive river]

He deserved a more gruesome death

[celest needle]

he did go out embarresingly patheticly

[restive river]

Equally deserved

[normal mountain]

Meh
Lotus deserved the win more than Ballas deserved anything

[restive river]

My issue is he was happy for a second there

[fast dew]

Doesn't deserve to be happy

[restive river]

Oh I agree
Would have been cool if she stabbed him or ripped off his head or anything to make his, thankfully last moments even more painful

But from his perspective the very thing he desired betrayed him
So
Good

Mom will always deserve the final blow
He just deserves all of the pain

[fast dew]

Both works

[celest needle]

He got a taste of his own medicine and came crawling back to Margulis

Before promptly dying

[stiff fable]

I think it also does prove that he loved her

[restive river]

We need him in the simulacrum just to beat him

[stiff fable]

The Veils give you what you want before twisting it

And what he wanted most was her

Doesn't make him better. Just proves that the only thing stopping him from getting what he wanted was himself all along.

[restive river]

He did let her get Jade Lighted lol

Which ig with the additional context she was defending the tenno who tried to kill him
But it was also about more than that too

And ofc from his perspective she loved us more than him which. Isn’t entirely how love works, bud

[normal mountain]

but it is how Jealousy works

[humble sierra]

Unless you're Drifter in which case they show you someone who's basically a stranger and describe stuff that you don't understand remotely

[stiff fable]

I've already said that entire thing should have been Tuvul

[humble sierra]

Like we should've seen Tuvul?

[stiff fable]

yeah, should have been him talking about the Zariman and how it was all your fault etc etc

[clever linden]

Question: would it be smart to collect Jade Motes for the upcoming re-issued Operation: Belly of the Beast? Or are they making a new currency for it?

Cus if I can pre-collect the currency needed (Jade motes) i absolutely will

[normal mountain]

Belly of the Beast uses Volatile Motes, not Vestigial Motes

There would be no point

Iirc, all Operations use their own special currency

[humble sierra]

I think the Veils are meant to be more gentle and stuff. I feel like they should've made it Operator's birth father (but obviously that would force him to be a specific character with a specific design and voice and etc. and also would basically be a stranger to the player unless they also set him up previously)

[humble sierra]

Yeah, as CommuniCoshua said, it's a different currency, like how the current Atramentum event has Nightmare Tatters as the primary currency while (confusingly) Atramentum is always available

[clever linden]

Awwww ok

[clever linden]

Kk

[humble sierra]

It's a pretty easy grind-- do you have Steel Path unlocked? Because the rewards there are significantly increased

[clever linden]

I do

I don’t find it very fun tho

[humble sierra]

No worries! The way BotB works is that you can play the Ascension mission, but there's also Alerts on the side.

In Steel Path, these alerts give like, twice as much

So if the objective is Capture, it's very worth just doing it in Steel Path, since you can just focus on killing one enemy and rushing to extraction

[normal mountain]

Assuming Teshin doesn't notice, and change the objective on you

[celest needle]

CHANGE OF PLANS

LEAVE NOTHING LEFT ALIVE

[west cliff]

You cant tell me that this isn't either the Exploiter orb or the Mysterious 3rd Orb, ITS EVEN IN A LAKE LIKE THE 3rd ORB!!!!

[marble timber]

I wonder how they will explain Stalker having two kids instead of the one

[stiff fable]

It's the third orb lol

[marble timber]

Maybe the baby splits into two personalities or something

[stiff fable]

Their lead-in to the trailer was "about that third orb"

[west cliff]

didn't they say something about timelines?

[stiff fable]

(This is actually their way of never having to come up with a boss fight with it)

[marble timber]

Not sure

But time is very weird in Warframe

[stiff fable]

The name you give the baby changes the timeline

[marble timber]

Eternalism and all

[marble timber]

Ah

That’s our first real major choice impact then?

[stiff fable]

Sirius grows up to get Ash proto as a mentor, Orion grows up to get Garuda proto as a mentor

[stiff fable]

not really, the quest plays out the same either way

[west cliff]

reversed

[marble timber]

Well within the story, even if not in gameplay

[stiff fable]

or rather, "your choice doesn't lock out any content"

[stiff fable]

also no, your choice of Lotus's dominant personality

[stiff fable]

go back and look

[marble timber]

Oh yeah, forgot about that

[west cliff]

Orion (Jade's name choice) get Ash, Sirius (Stalker Name Choise) gets garuda

[stiff fable]

.....you have the names backwards

Orion was the greatest hunter of Greek mythology, which is why that's the Stalker name choice

Sirius is the brightest star in the night sky, which is why it's Jade's name choice

[fast dew]

Other way around iirc

[west cliff]

rewatching it now

ok ye

i was wrong

my b

[marble timber]

I chose Sirius personally

Felt appropriate

[fast dew]

I have. Bad connotations to the name Sirius, so I chose Orion

Which. Is significant to me

But i felt. Guilty lol

[clever linden]

Me too

[marble timber]

Oof,

[vapid agate]

I genuinely don’t remember what I chose

[clever linden]

Guess you could say you have serious connotations to the name Sirius

[blissful wraith]

Guy grows up and decided no two lion can exist in one savana so he lashes out yeee haww

I mean two tigers cannot exist in one jungle so he seeks out his greener or bloodier version and lynch him

[marble timber]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[fast dew]

That is a horrible joke

[clever linden]

Sry

[fast dew]

No its funny lol

I just hate the name cuz the asshole jk Rowling, I cannot wait till she dies of the mould spores infesting her house

<- big hater

[clever linden]

I can’t even remember her having a character with that name

[lean garden]

honestly same

[clever linden]

I’m trans so I kind of have to be

[lean garden]

I cant remember if I picked orion or Sirius tho

if it werent for rowling Id have picked sirius for green

[fast dew]

Sirus black

[lean garden]

but tbd orions design looks cooler

[fast dew]

He was like. Impactful death 2 electric boogaloo

[lean garden]

He's like "Locus of bad world building"

[fast dew]

Sirius SUCKED as a character and person

[lean garden]

like fym they have a thing where you can extract and watch someones memory, and dont use it to exonerate him????

like literally check his brain

[fast dew]

LITERALLY

[lean garden]

but nooooo the justice system is as corrupt as the author

[fast dew]

Don't think too hard, the shit blanket of bigoted story will unravel

Still not over her naming a black character Kingsley Shacklebolt

[lean garden]

"So and so wizard is a threat to the muggle world"

Your most cursed spell is weaker than a gun with range

[lean garden]

Cho Chang

like come on man there are a ton of 2 word chinese names but Cho? you couldnt find another word that exists in the chinese lexicon??

[fast dew]

Its so weird to me she wrote a book about finding your place and family in the world and being different and accepting that

Only for her to be a raging bigot

[blissful wraith]

Imagine hater im a hater of hating but people said

[fast dew]

I am a rabid hater of media illiterate people who refuse to listen actually

I have very little tolerance for it

[glacial bough]

I'll hate HP any day but that and most other names are very much a nonissue

[fast dew]

Hearing the same 5 not-true statements said by people who refuse to read constantly gets on your nerves pretty quickly

[celest needle]

what the hell are you guys talking about

[fast dew]

Still, it was certainly a. Choice

One of many other problems

[fast dew]

The dogshit writing of Harry potter, and the evil witch who wrote it

[celest needle]

cough cough Asian character named Cho Chang cough cough

[glacial bough]

The name is lazy, not offensive

[fast dew]

Like i get British people are just accidentally racist but cmon

[fast dew]

Ehhh. Its a racial stereotype, which. Is not good

[glacial bough]

Thus it being lazy. It's a name that feasibly exists, but low effort

[lean garden]

Eeeeh, I'm very dubious on "Cho" (see Chou) and "Chang" being a feasible combination

[marble timber]

Honestly I don’t get why everyone loves Harry Potter

Even ignoring those kind of issues

I tried to read it as a fantasy fan, and found it pretty lame

Intro sequence goes on way to long without any hook

[clever linden]

He was the good guy smeared as evil right?

[marble timber]

There’s just so much exposition

[fast dew]

Racial stereotypes are usually built off racist caricatures

[celest needle]

Harry potter is a pretty good story all around and was unique for the time

its just that its sprinkled with turds of writing like sentient goblins who love being enslaved and follow a offensive stereotype

[fast dew]

Its made for kids, they don't think as hard as other folk may

My personal favourite fantasy book series was smthn called Deltora quest, no clue if the writer is evil but that shit was like crack to 12 year old me lol

[glacial bough]

It definitely exists, and even kinda follows naming conventions. It's just a name one would only spend 5 minutes looking up

[marble timber]

True, even then, I see a lot of adults online in love with it, and say it’s super well written. Not trying to say it’s bad to still like something you liked as a kid, but they seem to think it has little flaws

Just from what I’ve personally witnessed

[fast dew]

It has
Big flaws

[marble timber]

Yeah

There’s a lot of illogical choices made that I noticed when I tried to read it

[fast dew]

One bau pointed out earlier is the fact they can incarcerate and convict a person on false charges despite having a tool and spell that can showcase memories lol

[blissful wraith]

Ignorance is bliss, not wisdom

[celest needle]

is there a reasonable explanation as to how the entire origin system bounced back almost entirely after narmer?

[glacial bough]

There's an unknown length of time after

And the vast majority of the systems and infrastructure of the sytem were still in place

[marble timber]

Yeah, Kahl missions kind of show that time period

[fast dew]

Great news

Shes a normal person

[glacial bough]

The Corpus and Grineer just had to get back to normal working

[celest needle]

Oh my god finally

an author isn't a bigot or asshole

[cunning ore]

Hellloo

[glacial bough]

Sure, but the name isn't offensive like that. It's just generic in the same way John Smith is generic

[lean garden]

The naming "conventions" it follows are dubious.

Are her parents Mr and Mrs Cho or Mr and Mrs Chang? One only of these actually follows conventions, the other one is indicative of slapping random chinese characters into a different naming convention

[cunning ore]

Harry Potter things?

[celest needle]

almost every major civilian populace was narmer'd from the looks of it and it'd be way more fighting in an attempt to denarmify the system considering they dont stop even after Ballas is dead

[lean garden]

or worse, theres actually a surname for cho chang and it wasnt included entirely because rowling didnt know how

[cunning ore]

If Pazuul gone, would the Narmer vanished completely?

[glacial bough]

The last name is Chang given it's English naming structure. While Cho is traditionally a Korean surname, it's also a reasonable romanization of a number of Chinese names, the particular one most people go with being "qui" given that what her name is in the Chinese translations

[lean garden]

So its the latter, slapping chinese characters into a different naming convention.

Also the chinese translators did heavy lifting by translating cho chang into Zhang Qiu

[glacial bough]

Most of the civilian populace would be easy to free with the Corpus and Grineer working to get back their holdings, and mostly were till doing the things they were doing before. The Narmer can't hold these nonessential locales with the loss of leadership and active fighting breaking out

[slate basin]

with the Jade Shadows Constellations trailer, is it alright to assume that we'll need to free Hunhow somehow to enable the rail to Tau..?

[glacial bough]

There's not much reason to get that idea from Jaded Constellations

[slate basin]

or will he be trying to stop it?

i know but i like making speculation

[glacial bough]

Then it's as reasonable as most any other theory.

[slate basin]

also the whole Sirius/Orion being trained by protoframes just gives me more eternalism headache

[blissful wraith]

What were the limitations of the orokin for them to not build a fast necramech like an Armored Core?

[slate basin]

us.

[fast dew]

The sentients

[glacial bough]

They made warframes instead

[fast dew]

They adapted too fast for the necramechs

[slate basin]

urgency/lack of time

[fast dew]

They're good for anything else tho lol

The labs are evident of that

[blissful wraith]

But we want a Sentient armored core that fight alongside us...

[fast dew]

-# oh, outside killing murmur. They suck at that

Hey actually

Can anyone test if a rad proc will trigger necramechs to attack murmur

[pallid spoke]

IIRC, Father mentions a third Necramech model that never made it into production after it got ripped apart by a Sentient.

[slate basin]

honestly if the sentients werent adapting at mach jesus to everything the orokin had, they might have had more development alongside warframe tech

[fast dew]

Tombjockey lol

[glacial bough]

That was an early model

[fast dew]

My lil baby :(

Theres also more than 2 necramech models

[stiff fable]

oh, it's that they were stupid

[fast dew]

There's several reasons why they aren't good

[blissful wraith]

And HOW the orokin can mass produce Spartan-III level canon fodder

[stiff fable]

that's easy

[slate basin]

call me a conspiracy theorist but I find it hard to believe that the song used in the Constellations trailer was made by a band called "Erra" was a coincidence

[stiff fable]

They're ten tech levels beyond Halo

[fast dew]

I pointed this out while rebb was vagueposting about it lol

[blissful wraith]

And fails to invent a proper slipspace or hyperdrive😭😭

[stiff fable]

Rebb's a fan lol

[stiff fable]

just isn't possible by the physics of the setting

Or rather, it's even more dangerous than 40K's Warp

[fast dew]

Eh, the reliquary drive is close enough

[slate basin]

warframe keeps introducing me to bands i never would have looked for otherwise lol

[marble timber]

Grineer are about identical to Space Marines strength and durability wise

[fast dew]

Culverins and Arcocanids btw

[marble timber]

Arguable better guns

[dire mountain]

Shit my cat sent that early

[glacial bough]

The same way they can freely access another plane of existence and manipulate antimatter with impunity

[stiff fable]

The anti-sentient forces needed to be able to adapt to circumstances on the ground and maneuver

[pallid spoke]

And that is one of the reasons why I don't allow my dogs into my bedroom.

[fast dew]

Yall got dogs?

[stiff fable]

If it was just a knockdown battle the necramechs would be a more than valid option over the Warframes

[marble timber]

Closest we have to such a thing is the Railjack. As it can void jump without using the rails I’m pretty sure

[cunning ore]

Time, Artistic, Adaptation and of course for a future of a story of Warframe.

[marble timber]

But requires a copy of Wally’s finger

[dire mountain]

Necramechs weren't even bad they were powerful but large things often aren't agile. The largest drawback is that they couldnt adapt to things on the fly, which is kinda what sentients do..

“Look, you were the second wave, kid. The Necramechs were Void-shielded, Sentient-pulse immune... as bright as a bag of hammers and just as dependable. Not like you.”

[marble timber]

Though they did have void powered weapons right?

Which helped with that

[fast dew]

Meant to attach this lol
-# ignore the hair

[marble timber]

I’m surprised we didn’t see any necramechs during old peace

[cunning ore]

Comparing techs it really a silly idea like comparing power scales. I honestly feel this brainless to comparing since you have to compare first is the history and second is the tech-advance path you run along.

[celest needle]

weird ass dog

[dire mountain]

Why would we they were fully phased out by then

[glacial bough]

Why would they be there? The WF program was in full swing by then

[marble timber]

Just extra infantry

Idk

Fair though

[dire mountain]

Not that I'm aware of

[fast dew]

Yeah he squeaks sometimes

[cunning ore]

Cause like Orokin said, too big and too easy to be targeted. And it quite slow compare to the flexible of others.

[marble timber]

Also not as pretty probably

That probably is a legit reason actually

[cunning ore]

The Orokin kinda have a standard for thing and if you forgot what the cause of Old Peace

[humble sierra]

It's the same kid, they're from different, split timelines like Operator and Drifter

[lean garden]

dude wdym, the spartan IIIs themselves were also mass produced cannon fodder LMAO

[marble timber]

Yeah, someone already explained

[marble timber]

Just slightly better canon fodder

[humble sierra]

Sorry discord messed up, like the last 2 hours basically didn't load

[marble timber]

RIP

[lean garden]

ehhh, when you lose hundred of thems to air to surface bombardments, they're really just actual cannon fodder

[marble timber]

I feel that

[fast dew]

Its been doing that more and more

[humble sierra]

Really chaotic

One could say you're experiencing discord

[fast dew]

[cunning ore]

I doubt The Old Peace use Albrecht's void-tech

[fast dew]

The dark refractory?

[dire mountain]

What are you talking about

[fast dew]

That is Albrecht's tech, not sure if its void tho

[cunning ore]

Since ugh Albretch kinda make slow but powerful cannon weapon type. I mean the overall of his weapon rn.

[humble sierra]

What weapon?

[cunning ore]

I know the Trumna, Onos and Mogha

[dire mountain]

Do you mean like Entrati weaponry

[cunning ore]

Cortege???

[dire mountain]

Because the old peace had entrati weaponry

[cunning ore]

No, some in the lab

[humble sierra]

Oh yeah Excalibur does use Trunma Prime in the Old Peace!

[cunning ore]

I mean those in the lab

[dire mountain]

Nope not even prime

[strange plinth]

just trumna, not prime

[dire mountain]

Just a regular trumna, actually

[strange plinth]

for some reason

[cunning ore]

Onos, Mogha and Cortege

[humble sierra]

Oh yeah Excalibur Prime does use Trunma in the Old Peace!

[lean garden]

I mean, entrati clan weaponry being used in the broader scope of the war isnt unheard of

[cunning ore]

Those weapon quite have the same of being long in charging but powerful shot and limited ammo that i remember

[dire mountain]

Honestly I've headcanoned it to be that the events in Tau have proved that the ancient weapon still deserved distinction or something

[fast dew]

They're likely from Vilcor's side, iirc Albrecht's own weaponry isnt particularly similar to the other entrati weapons

[dire mountain]

Tl;dr trumna still good orokin think "hmm should prime"

[cunning ore]

Trumna have better in ammo and bouncing alt fire so it good to deal in number i guess

And who was selling the bp i forgot?

I only remember that Albrecht created some other weapons and its bp drop in the lab instead

[dire mountain]

Are you thinking mandonel

[fast dew]

Mm, and Ruvox iirc

[tall echo]

Nah

[dire mountain]

Anyways I love the trumna prime it really is my ammunition for the "not all orokin equipment is a prime" agenda

[cunning ore]

Oh yea madonel too

I don't know how to exactly use madonel so not have much thoughts of it

[clever linden]

Or it’s junk that house entrati didn’t need so it was donated to Tau Orokin forces

They kept the Trumna prime for themselves

[cunning ore]

A minigun with the alt fire that creating bullets that bouncing between enemies hell yea that good

[tall echo]

Mandonel was the first archgun that just disappointed me with the weak dmg

[tall echo]

That's not what the alt fire does

[cunning ore]

Maybe i mistook with other guns tho

Mogha good with no fall-off i remember that

[tall echo]

It fires multi-exploding grenades that bounce off any surface

[dire mountain]

I mean it could be but that's not as cool and we don't have anything really contradicting either

[fast dew]

I GOT A JADE SHADOWS CONSTELLATIONS AD

[cunning ore]

Onos is head-heat burst with buffing crit

[fast dew]

[tall echo]

Onos depends on your evolutions bc it's an incarnon

[cunning ore]

Oh yea forgot that 😓

[blissful wraith]

Hey you know I've been cooking up a lore for an Orokin's BLACKSITE PROJECT where they spent a lot of gold on developing an exceptional strain of helminth in order to inject it to a dying decorated dax. He then becomes a Ghost Recon netrunner type frame who is both fast like instantaneous parkour speed and auto parkour when you hold shift with extreme speeds and can fire while wall running or parkour and shi

He's got that Ghost Recon Future Soldier vibes where guns hit harder for both sides type sh

[tall echo]

Seems. Very basic considering other frames

[celest needle]

Epilepsy moment

[blissful wraith]

Its true!

[cunning ore]

Warframe = Godlike. So yk what i mean

[blissful wraith]

Wait can warframes wall jump while using guns at same time?

[cunning ore]

It lowkey to think of transform a soldier to a soldier

[blissful wraith]

Can they bullet jump and use guns though, can they vault and use guns at the same time? Blacksite could do that...

[tall echo]

Why would they waste resource on a downgrade compared to other frames

[blissful wraith]

Spartan-IV:

[tall echo]

Yes

[tall echo]

Also yes

[blissful wraith]

Tgats wall latching right?

[cunning ore]

Spartan-IV?

[blissful wraith]

Turn soldier into soldier

[tall echo]

No just shooting

[cunning ore]

If i was an Orokin, i clearly see that was something ridiculous. But well, based on what DE doong rn, we still following with Greek myths and gods so

[blissful wraith]

Its so hard I just want to satisfy my warframe x Ghost Recon fantasy🥺🥺

[glacial bough]

That's just a regular Warframe

[tall echo]

Cyte 09

[dire mountain]

Fourth iteration of the spartan super soldjer program in the halo series.

Upsides: a LOT more ethical and a lot more funding and a lot more personnel

Downsides: not as exceptional as IIs but like, still pretty damn good

[cunning ore]

Then pushing it back to the time of Hayden Tenno, you may have chance.

[blissful wraith]

Turkframe! With an ability to summon a line of barrage fire that fires more everytime they killed an enemy

[tall echo]

Not same universe

[dire mountain]

Ive been playing halo a lot lately I would know

[cunning ore]

With 0 experience on Halo, i don't know that name. That's the reason

[marble timber]

With armor, they are equal to a spartan II, without it they just barely fall short

[marble timber]

Super soldiers

[dire mountain]

Yes thats why I explained it?

[cunning ore]

Yea but i think if he want fantasy, giving him back to that time it better for him

[marble timber]

Almost all artificial organs so that is a advantage they have

[cunning ore]

So i mean that it mean if someone alike me in that 0 experience, they do feel the same

[tall echo]

What

[woven coyote]

wouldnt be warframe then

[marble timber]

Guys get drugs, become Stronk

[cunning ore]

The ghost recon with agent theme?

[marble timber]

Fight aliens

Used to use children, children expensive, adults easier and legal!

[tall echo]

No like
What did you say there

[marble timber]

In short

[cunning ore]

I mean that if he want a Ghost Recon theme in Warframe, it better to go back to that time of Hayden Tenno

[tall echo]

That's not warframe tho

[cunning ore]

Yea, so i'm trying to make his fantasy have hope a bit

[marble timber]

I think they mean take inspiration from it