lore-discussion

[restive river]

It’s a “here’s both possible versions of the kid, and their quirky friends ig”

[humble sierra]

I wonder how far into the future XX99 is

[celest needle]

probably way farther then ours considering the Corpus have some brand spanking new tech

[restive river]

Also the kid(s) grew up

[humble sierra]

Because theoretically it could be thousands of years, if Warframes stop aging

[celest needle]

Sirius and Orion seem to age

[restive river]

They do yes, but the Corpus are still around too
Possibly the Grineer

[humble sierra]

Or at least of course age slower

[restive river]

We don’t know if they continue aging though

They’re kinda a huge anomaly lol

[celest needle]

Cuz albrecht has seemingly had his fill with making protos
and although we haven't seen it yet, he's has to have done something again to create these
since either

A - he has learned to be able to cross timelines?
B - Alternate Albrecht
C - idk

And where does it fit within his travels?

[restive river]

We don’t know how many he made or how many places he went to before 1999 lol

Also if anyone can figure out eternalism and how to access it, it’s probably him
Doubtful it’s an alt entrati

The Hex were the first protos he made, after that he could have travelled to who knows when and where before he stayed for the loop

[humble sierra]

Or somehow ProtoSerums for Ash and Garuda were stolen

I'm guessing Ryoku and Vena will have KIM chats but maybe they won't

It could be their progression is just tied to the railjack stuff (which is terrifying)

[restive river]

Or that but
I kinda doubt that, bit too specific for the two timelines where the kid grows up that his friends end up finding a stolen serum
Nah
Albrecht’s probably involved here

I think they mentioned what they were doing for KIM but I’m unsure, not sure why they wouldn’t have chats though
But they can always change things up

[celest needle]

Doubt they'd make Kim branches for them

And also we have the entire quest to figure that out

[humble sierra]

I think Ryoku and Vena exist in both timelines as ProtoFrames, but it's just a mentoring thingy

[restive river]

I wonder if Sirius/Orion can speak

[restive river]

I mean from what we have seen that does not seem to be the case

[humble sierra]

I'm personally thinking these two will be interacting with Operator since Jade Shadows was their thing, not Drifters

[restive river]

One found one version of the kid and the other found the other version

[restive river]

That is true!
This is an Operator related questline!

But also Roathe talks to the kid via email so anything can happen lol

[humble sierra]

Though it seems (from that one line somewhere on the website) this will be another "Play as Stalker" quest

[restive river]

I do think we will be involved still, just for the aftermath

[fast dew]

Mm, prolly just kims

[brittle siren]

I hope that playable form would be similar to Equinox, where they can change form.

[humble sierra]

I wonder if Belly of the Beast will have any tie-in stuff to set-up the quest... prolly not (besides maybe the new rewards?)

[celest needle]

Two low guardians decide to fall in love with each other 😭

Holy butterfly

[brittle siren]

Not really no

[restive river]

My guess is because they came to the present to find Stalker it will be about him dealing with his son(s) and their friends and by the end Stalker will realize to not be a bad dad to prevent these possible futures

[humble sierra]

mm yeah good point

[restive river]

BotB won’t coincide with constellations release though, no?

Since constellations is in June

[humble sierra]

Over early June, presumably Constellations drops mid-June

[brittle siren]

Now I'm curious, what happened to the future Stalker in both timelines

[restive river]

So it might end a week before then

[restive river]

He was a bad dad
Or at the very least def left his kid in both

[humble sierra]

Let's hope so... because I, like Rebb, am shaking violently

[fast dew]

Ohhh, that could give us like. Some timeline to when the update may drop

[brittle siren]

Or he was dead very early

[humble sierra]

Doesn't seem the case

[brittle siren]

If he left them, why bother go into the past to see him again?

[fast dew]

Also not liger being put to work lol, they've been doing so much recently

[humble sierra]

"What kind of sick mongrel denies their own blood? I am joined to him in glorious bloodshed, we pulse from the same vein. We'll drown cold revenge in a hot rain of fury and dance with their corpses." - VENA

"The fiercest strike is the one unseen. I was not looking for an apprentice when I found the boy. It was a sign: to secure the future, one final death will pay for all." - RYOKU

[restive river]

"The fiercest strike is the one unseen. I was not looking for an apprentice when I found the boy. It was a sign: to secure the future, one final death will pay for all." - RYOKU
“What kind of sick mongrel denies their own blood? I am joined to him in glorious bloodshed, we pulse from the same vein. We'll drown cold revenge in a hot rain of fury and dance with their corpses." - VENA

[restive river]

LOL

[humble sierra]

Lmao the fact we did it in the opposite order

[brittle siren]

Lmao

[restive river]

Good for them, hope they’re having fun with it lol

[humble sierra]

Us rn

[fast dew]

Did. Did she call is a mongrel?? Havent been called that in yonks

Or. Someone

[brittle siren]

So they just want to kill their dad and left the current Orion/Sirius alone 💔

[restive river]

Inexplicably a homestuck reference

[fast dew]

Same, liger heavy update

Im still so happy we got the duster for mesa

[restive river]

They may want to just beat some sense into him, they’re going into the past lol

[humble sierra]

I am not a fan of the hair, that's my big gripe

Needs to be half the length

[restive river]

What’s new
They basically have their own frame with a custom skin with a custom prime
Sevagoth proto is honestly just an eventuality lol

[humble sierra]

Or just an option to have them snipped off

[brittle siren]

Hunhow then appear: hey at least listen to your not official grandpa pls

[opal acorn]

Where can i post about a story idea that hunts my dreams

Is there, like a fanworks writing location?

Its currently a pretty long message

[restive river]

I like the length only because of the blades

[humble sierra]

Yes, Thomas' DMs

[fast dew]

HEY

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS

[celest needle]

targetted harrasment

[restive river]

#fan-art probably
but if it’s very lore related maybe here?

[opal acorn]

40k / warframe crossover idea that has been boiling ky skull for the last 2 days

I could also talk about an idea of a Protoframe Koumei i have

[brittle siren]

Loid but straight /s

[fast dew]

Murder evil hell

[opal acorn]

Im an idea maker like steve with none of the talent to actually make anything..

[fast dew]

The humble fanfiction and ao3:

[humble sierra]

So just canon Loid (HEAVY /S)

[opal acorn]

So, is anyone interested or nah.

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[brittle siren]

Though Im glad Orion/Sirius is male

[fast dew]

Tbf those are. Masc names lol

[restive river]

What lol

[brittle siren]

Some still think green version is female

[restive river]

Were you gonna be sad if in one timeline they transitioned?

[fast dew]

Wh

[humble sierra]

I wonder what the actual Warframe name is gonna be though

[restive river]

Orion and Sirius lol

[fast dew]

I wouldn't be but it would be poggers if they were trans masc, that would be sick
-# its our turn cmon

[brittle siren]

Orion/Sirius

[restive river]

I mean tbh Ryoku kinda gives the vibes

[brittle siren]

The longest name in Warframe
“Orion & Sirius”

[fast dew]

He do he do

[humble sierra]

"Orion & Sirius unless you picked Sirius first then it's Sirius & Orion and we're just saying it in that order for convenience we're not saying either is canon"

[glacial bough]

They'll be an Orion and a Sirius

[restive river]

We’re back to Neci and Victor being trans

It does sound like it’s two warframes

[brittle siren]

Although if Stalker left Orion too, then how did he get the red color?

[fast dew]

Hunhow is coming out of hiding is close enough to having a trans masc

[restive river]

They both have distinct designs

[opal acorn]

Neci is trans

||trans-dust||

[restive river]

His grandkid(s) forcing him out of the closet

[restive river]

Trans-temporal dust

[humble sierra]

Transcendant

[restive river]

Cause she got body napped

[fast dew]

THERES. A POST ON TUMBLR THAT CAN APPLY TO THIS

[opal acorn]

Exactlyyy!

[brittle siren]

Hey so

Is it bad if I ship Orion and Sirius?

[glacial bough]

Yes

[restive river]

Yes.

[opal acorn]

Yes

[humble sierra]

Yeah

[brittle siren]

But it self love ❤️

[restive river]

I would have to only assume their relationship to one another will evolve to be more akin to siblings

[glacial bough]

No

[restive river]

Think about it like this
They are biologically the same person
But had vastly different experiences
So they’re pretty much twins

[brittle siren]

Hm

Then how you would explain Loki MCU and Silvie?

[glacial bough]

A bad decision

[restive river]

I mean
Kinda the same way, no?
Unless they are not biologically the same

[humble sierra]

That's Loki, Loki's whole thing is being weird

He turned into a female horse and gave birth to an 8 legged horse

[glacial bough]

It's bad there and would be bad here

[restive river]

Loki is fluid in every way, even the bad ways

[restive river]

Didn’t he mess around with a snake and made a dog???

[humble sierra]

Idk about messing around with a snake but there is also a giant snake who is his son

[brittle siren]

Even then, they are both a different version in term of timelines

[humble sierra]

And yes the dog is also his son

[restive river]

Ok thats where I got confused

[humble sierra]

I really like the way God of War Ragnarok did that stuff

[restive river]

They’re just both his kids

[fast dew]

||https://www.tumblr.com/ritasanderson/768575281427529728||
Woe

[restive river]

Biologically are they the same?

[brittle siren]

Yep, just different gender

[humble sierra]

Yeah I think so at least

[brittle siren]

Although I don't think that really matter

[restive river]

Lmao I remember this
Its awesome

[humble sierra]

Idk if it was specified that Sylvie was adopted the same way or not

[restive river]

So twin law

[fast dew]

Oh i love how shit DOESNT EMBED

[humble sierra]

Well you spoiler tagged it

[restive river]

If they’re an alt version of the other person and they’re biologically the same person then I’d say twin law

[fast dew]

It still should embed when spoilered is my experience

[glacial bough]

That's permissions for you

[brittle siren]

Then Marvel is freaky

[fast dew]

Thats the thing its done it before

There was. The spooky roathe i spoilered cuz i too wouldn't want to see it

[humble sierra]

Yeah I feel like it was mentioned that Sylvie was Odin's biokid or something while Loki was a Jotun (Frost Giant) that Odin stole and raised as his own

[restive river]

Not that big of a surprise tbh
They had a thing with the maximov twins like. More than once :(

[brittle siren]

Silvie still frost giant

[humble sierra]

Ah been a while since I've seen the show

[glacial bough]

All Loki's are the same kind of person

[brittle siren]

Not entirely confirm but all Loki is the same, they just have different life

[restive river]

But not all Loki’s are the same biologically

[brittle siren]

Well yeah one of them is a crocodile

[fast dew]

See it worked here

But yes go on chat

[restive river]

Gator Loki is not the same biologically as frost giant loki for instance

[brittle siren]

But that universe where everyone is an animal

[restive river]

Yeah exactly, being a Loki is more the mental than the bio lol

That’s the thing with alt selves

[brittle siren]

So basically it a frost giant crocodile

Honestly, that universe is pretty basic, so don't get too deep into the details.

[restive river]

Use croc loki as an extreme example of same person different genetics :p

[brittle siren]

Funny that Thor in that universe is a frog

[humble sierra]

Comic Loki is also insane, there was a point where he died as a villain and reincarnated into a boy and a bird, but his old evil self was also still around but they killed him (I think a bazooka was involved) and then the kid and the bird teamed up with Leah-- Hela's right hand (as in her severed right hand who turned into a girl (oh and Hela is Loki's daughter)) but then eventually Kid Loki and Leah got poisoned or something and he had to eat the bird to combine himself with it (and the bird was also evil) so he became Ikolloki and somethingsomething team-up space lesbians somethingsomething secret agent somethingsomething crop top somethingsomething president of the united states somethingsomething god of all gods

[brittle siren]

Anyway back on Orion and Sirius topic

Sirius is red so I assume his ability would be similar to Stalker (maybe?)

Orion could be a support one that can deal dmg like his mom

Since he did able to buff Stalker

[humble sierra]

Orion also has the seraphim-ish design

[brittle siren]

My headcanon is Orion came back not to beat his dad up but to save him from Sirius

But to explain how do Orion know about that is hard

[humble sierra]

I think it could be the other way around tbh

Wait no sorry I got them mixed up

[glacial bough]

Both are coming from bad ends

[woven coyote]

Would be really weird

Stalker wasnt a warframe when they had the baby after all

[humble sierra]

I agree with you, it'd be cool if the Green one is trying to kill Stalker and the Red one is actually trying to save him

[brittle siren]

I mean through training

[woven coyote]

That hasnt been how warframe capabilities have worked so far

Tho granted that the baby is a bit of a new territory

[glacial bough]

That's goes against the base premise

[woven coyote]

Like an excal wouldnt be able to just open up nova portals from just training

[brittle siren]

Or he left Sirius, then when he found Stalker, his dad was almost dead and gave all the essence to Sirius

It a plausible theory

Since both have different experiences of how Stalker left them

[humble sierra]

"The fiercest strike is the one unseen. I was not looking for an apprentice when I found the boy. It was a sign: to secure the future, one final death will pay for all." - RYOKU

Sounds like a targeted assassination

[glacial bough]

Which is the goal of both.

[brittle siren]

Maybe the Stalker in the Orion timeline went insane again and Orion has to kill him

Maybe Stalker in the Sirius timeline left him to protect the child, then sacrifice himself.

[brittle siren]

Who is with Ryoku, Orion or Sirius

[glacial bough]

The base premise of this whole thing is the unchosen possilbility coming back from a bad future

[dire mountain]

I mean. Checks out. Ship is named "scoria's angel" and ash was part of the school of assassins

[dire mountain]

Sirius

[humble sierra]

Ryoku is with Sirius, Vena is with Orion

[brittle siren]

Both of my theory is a bad end anyway

[glacial bough]

You can't have one with a different goal

[humble sierra]

They're both coming back

[brittle siren]

Why not?

[humble sierra]

And they're both fighting each other which implies different goals

[radiant pier]

WHAT

NOOOOOO

[brittle siren]

This

If they simply want to kill Stalker, then why even go against each other

[fast dew]

Maybe one

Doesnt want to kill him

[celest needle]

THEY ALREADY UPDATED THE WEBSITE?

[fast dew]

Or. Not as extreme as the other

[radiant pier]

I'm confused

[charred narwhal]

I personally think that sirius, being jade coded, had an easier time of things and chose a noble path. It seems that orion, probably has hella trauma (those red "tears?!") And thus his path was filled with blood

[humble sierra]

Yes

With 2 new articles

[radiant pier]

will choosing mean we can only get one protoframe at a time-

or is it entirely.... irrelevant and it's just the Warframe's

cuz imma be fr, come on now, aura

[humble sierra]

A choice will not lock you out of anything

[charred narwhal]

Rebecca said we wont miss out on anything depending on what we chose

[brittle siren]

That's what I'm talking about

Strangely, one version has red color. I have to assume that Orion gets his dad's essence like how Jade became “Jade dust”

[radiant pier]

but I prefer Garuda lady by an extremely large margin

oh that's cool

[humble sierra]

Just an FYI neither will be romanceable

[glacial bough]

To be more specific to the my initial response, you can't really have one hard locked to a different goal. One can be coming back with a different goal, but they can't be specific like that.

[brittle siren]

And Sirius is the executioner of justice or sth

[radiant pier]

I'm aware

[charred narwhal]

Now, i do think the mission will be different, but the rewards should be the same

[radiant pier]

ngl, I love that these two frames seem to be....like.....

the colors are actually a main part of the design and silhouette

[humble sierra]

I'm a firm non-believer in that it'll be two Warframes

[radiant pier]

I like it

[humble sierra]

it's the same guy so I feel like at most it'll be another Equinox gimmick

[radiant pier]

they did say Warframes in the stream

[charred narwhal]

They said two frames, but didnt specify beyond that

[glacial bough]

Sirius/Orion can be coming back to save Stalker from Orion/Sirius

[woven coyote]

Yeah they already hinted they are different frames

[radiant pier]

it stood out to me "take a look at the new warframes"

besides that'd be.....kinda lame if it's just one

[brittle siren]

Pls the idle have glitchy effect switching 2 form

[radiant pier]

super lame if it's just one

[humble sierra]

They refer to it as two separate characters

But I think it's a lot to be asking for two different Warframes in gameplay

[radiant pier]

but two-in-one wouldn't?

[glacial bough]

They are seperate characters, yes. That would mean two seperate frames

[radiant pier]

is equinox even really used

I feel like if equinox hasn't seen much use from the community, DE wouldn't go out of their way to design another like Equinox

[queen shale]

I thought Orion and Sirius were doing an operator/drifter thing where there thw same dude just different timelines

[humble sierra]

I mostly mean in terms of switching their appearance forms

[humble sierra]

Correct, that is what it is

[radiant pier]

so just a reskinned moveset? wdym

[humble sierra]

Logically they should have the same abilities

But like they'd have alternate styles or something

[restive river]

It depends on their development tbh

[queen shale]

Just to poke the bear
Which side y'all choosing?

[radiant pier]

then what would the point really be in choosing

[restive river]

Sirius and Orion weren’t designed, their abilities don’t come from the same place as most others

[radiant pier]

it just sounds lame if it's just the one

very.... anticlimactic to have those whole choosing thing

[restive river]

Fashion?

[glacial bough]

Siruis and Orion are very clearly different. There's no reason for them to have the same abilities

[restive river]

See: our own mom

[radiant pier]

this gives me Rhino aura

[celest needle]

what even are their weapons?

[radiant pier]

I'm just saying it'd be really lame

[queen shale]

I have to bring up the jack noir gif again

[woven coyote]

Polearms, at least the warframe understanding of it

[queen shale]

https://tenor.com/view/noxy-noxycord-homestuck-collide-bec-noir-gif-5925061351238760918

[celest needle]

but then
who made them?

[restive river]

Literally this lol

[radiant pier]

come on now, the choice between a name representing Jade, vs one representing Stalker

[north ferry]

Nvm i'm dumb

[celest needle]

[radiant pier]

I don't really see much overlap, maybe one similar ability or passive

having it be the same moveset kinda makes choosing redundant, they can do a really creative Dante Vs Vergil scenario

[humble sierra]

Yeah but that could just refer to their aesthetic and mindsets, not their abilities

[north ferry]

They do? It just seems to be me theyre both astrological names.

[queen shale]

I could see Sirius having more support abilities/ access to the jade light

[radiant pier]

one's green

[humble sierra]

One is marked green and one is marked red

[woven coyote]

See the opposite blades thing

[restive river]

Orion gets Stalker’s 4 but cooler

[north ferry]

Oh i didn't notice that, I cant even remember which i picked.

[radiant pier]

....didn't you just say you believe it's just the one Warframe

[north ferry]

Honestly, I feel they won't be entirely unique, but will have some way of differentiation, even if minor.

[radiant pier]

I can't wait to have 5 appearance configs all based on power rangers

who wants to be my blue ranger

[humble sierra]

Orion and Sirius are two separate characters, but that doesn't mean they'd have separate abilities

[radiant pier]

I will choose the great option

[humble sierra]

They can have the same abilities and just maybe use it differently

[radiant pier]

of doing something else

[north ferry]

Yeah that's what I kinda think.

[radiant pier]

I do love how I haven't seen a single discussion about ash's protoframe

[north ferry]

Eh, protoframe protoframe.

[radiant pier]

not a single one within the past 4 hours

[glacial bough]

There has been. There's just little to say

[dire mountain]

Low-key would be interesting to see Sirius be more damage oriented and Orion support focused to invert the Jade/Sorren dynamic

[radiant pier]

dozens of her

....I don't really like him

[north ferry]

That's because people are silly.

[radiant pier]

the chest is a bit too much? for me to think it be cool

[dire mountain]

I mean yeah Sirius and Orion are right there he's just studying the blade

[radiant pier]

how are we gonna cover it

[queen shale]

That would look so cool in pink

[humble sierra]

I dislike his hair as well. Ponytail is good but not when it's like 50 feet long

[north ferry]

Its a unique look.

[humble sierra]

Other than that solid design

[radiant pier]

what do you think is my plan lmao, I've got a Cupid color scheme alr

I really don't like the bare torso

[north ferry]

At least he gives me Ash vibes.

[radiant pier]

no matter the frame

[humble sierra]

I think the final design, his midriff is more bare than his torso is

[queen shale]

Yeah bros just rawdogging those vitals its bugging me

[radiant pier]

yeah let's just hope he looks a bit different

it's

ugly

IT'S JUST WEIRD TO ME OK

[north ferry]

We have his actual model. I dont recall large swathes of bare skin. But I didnt pay much attention.

[humble sierra]

They showed the actual in-game appearances for them

[radiant pier]

oh I ignored his section entirely I was tryna find voice lines

[queen shale]

You know what's funny
Ive had an oc named Riyoku for like
Years now
Its funny to see the same pronunciation in a game

[humble sierra]

Pecs are armored

[radiant pier]

I DON'T THINK THAT'S BETTER

[humble sierra]

I think I'll be keeping the cowl/hood thing on him at all times tbh, he looks sick as hell

[radiant pier]

I LOW-KEY THINK THAT'S WORSE

[humble sierra]

I hope we get hood-down, mask off variants

[radiant pier]

oh yeah the hood? the mask? no complaints there

I love hoods/cowls

[north ferry]

Just never use protoframes. Absolutely Garuda and Prime looks better imo

[daring tusk]

who the hek is kozai

[north ferry]

A member of the Arbiters. As far as I know all we know of him is from the plot line.

[stiff fable]

Kozai is the full member, you're thinking of Zorba

[queen shale]

why is he naked

[stiff fable]

Who is his apprentice

[humble sierra]

yes ty captain

[fast dew]

Idk wisp prime's helmet kinda looks ugly as shit lol

[queen shale]

BRO PUT SOME DAMN ARMOR ON 🗣️

[daring tusk]

do we see kozai anywhere

[humble sierra]

I think he's either dead or trapped somewhere by the time we meet Zorba

[stiff fable]

Anyway Kozai is a semi-important background character who fell into Follie's portrait back when Vesper Relay was still whole

[daring tusk]

so why the fk is zorba harping about his master if we dont even know him

[north ferry]

I believe one of the pictures in Follie's hunt might be of him.

[stiff fable]

He is ||very dead since he died protecting the Shadowgraph when Vay Hek blew up Vesper Relay||

[humble sierra]

Because we like the Arbiters and he's an Arbiter

[glacial bough]

He's not barechested, Ash color pallete is just off

[north ferry]

Because he matters to Zorba and zorba asked for help.

[stiff fable]

Should have fought harder PC Tenno!

[woven coyote]

Because he is asking for our help regarding his master
Did you delete the inbox message where he spells all of this out?

[queen shale]

My headcanon is that hes actually going insane

[humble sierra]

No that's definitely flesh

[dire mountain]

Do you expect the guy who lost their master at vesper to not bring him up when the tenno go there

[humble sierra]

It's the same tone as his face and looks scarred

[queen shale]

Like I said
RYOKU PUT SOME DAMN ARMOR ON

[dire mountain]

Like "hey whats up I wanna be an arbiter but my master died at the vesper relay can you go check whats up please 🥺 idk how to read"

And then you expect zorba to not bring up kozai when you go there??

[daring tusk]

his message is buried waaaay deep from all the lich messages

do we know zorba before this

[humble sierra]

No, Zorba introduces himself with Shadowgrapher content

[north ferry]

Like, I get it plenty of things don't put a lot of depth into the how and why of missions and quests. But there is something.

[queen shale]

Zorba is lowkey really adorable I want a floof of him

[dire mountain]

Usually its enough to be vaguely engaging

Or have cool information revealed

Shadowgrapher just. Doesn't

[north ferry]

Uhhh

[daring tusk]

so what exaclty is shadowgraph/shadowgrapher is it follie/follie's painting/something else?

wally infused paint

[north ferry]

I would disagree but that's not particularly relevant.

[humble sierra]

I mean it's cool to know the Zariman children were kinda being interrogated on the happenings of what happened on the ship and maybe MITW

Probably already guessed that but still

[glacial bough]

It's not, or at least not his plain skin. Double check the stream, the chest is a different shade from the actual skin of his head, and there's a full color line indication between his head and chest

[stiff fable]

It's a painting made with Follie's ink

[woven coyote]

I cant take his name seriously
Because his name is literally a brand of underwear where i live

[humble sierra]

His skin color does not change

[queen shale]

SPEEDO

[stiff fable]

Follie herself seems to be inside it, so it's possible she made it to hide

[daring tusk]

do we know follie before this? hypotethically

[humble sierra]

Nope

[stiff fable]

not directly, no

[woven coyote]

Nope

[daring tusk]

is she related to us in any way?

[stiff fable]

Follie seems to be trying to help with certain traumas the Tenno suffered

[queen shale]

Question, whos the evil therapist?

[humble sierra]

An unnamed Archimedean

[north ferry]

I mean as i understand lore wise, most frames are contemporary during the old war.

[humble sierra]

Sounds oddly like an Orb Mother though

[queen shale]

Would be fun if we kick her ass in the future

[glacial bough]

When they take off the cowl, you can see there's a separation. It's a weird uncolorable texture, but not his bare skin

[daring tusk]

so who created follie

[humble sierra]

He has a bare line going from his neck to his stomach

[daring tusk]

the narrator during the mission?

[queen shale]

Where's his bellybutton tho

[stiff fable]

yes, she created a therapy technique that the Orokin used on us after making it super evil

[humble sierra]

And his back matches the redness of his stomach

And you can see his back is connected to the neck

[woven coyote]

Is is his skin
It wraps around the back into his neck

[queen shale]

Eugh looks like a bad burn

[daring tusk]

is exploiter a cephalon?

[woven coyote]

No

[humble sierra]

Sentient

-ish

[queen shale]

What's yalls wildest headcanons

[dire mountain]

Is it all raknoids or just the mommas that use sentient tech

[stiff fable]

The Unum is Wally's missing finger.

The Lotus is an Amalgam.

[stiff fable]

All, the raknoids seem to have toroids in them

[vestal vine]

Whats the Warframe with the most expanded lore?

[humble sierra]

I think he has sharper nails than her

[stiff fable]

Interestingly? The toroids (would have) corresponded to the Archons

Red, blue, yellow

Third orb mother dying means we'll never get Citron Toroids or whatever they would have been called though

[dire mountain]

I would say that "the drifter and operator are a dualism thing" is headcanon but thats just kinda true

The whole "we are all seasons" bit

[fast dew]

Mm. Albrecht killed his wife.

[stiff fable]

off the top of my head, Gara

She has a quest, an entire fragment series, a prime trailer and is one of only two Warframes to have three signatures

[fast dew]

Or at the very least responsible for her death

[humble sierra]

Ok after watching the clips a couple times I think the hair is growing on me

But again I'd prefer it like, half the length it is now

Especially if we can get them as cosmetics for Operator/Drifter

[vestal vine]

Dang

What about the least one

I heard Wisp has barely something

[humble sierra]

Until now (well even now) Garuda

[dire mountain]

Well, it used to be garuda

[stiff fable]

Garuda lol

[humble sierra]

Vena might have Garuda lore but Marie didn't have Wisp lore so who knows

[stiff fable]

After that it's Nyx, Wukong or Trinity

[humble sierra]

Volt is low too

[stiff fable]

Wisp got a Prime trailer so she's above most frames

[humble sierra]

Zephyr

[stiff fable]

Yep ouch

[dire mountain]

But realistically she was tied with like, loki and frost and baruuk

[humble sierra]

baruuk had the out-of-game lore of being based on John Wick with the 'forced to kill even though he doesn't want to' thing

[restive river]

And she got a girlfriend!

[stiff fable]

Queen shit

[vestal vine]

I meant about lore

[restive river]

Technically Wisp and possibly still Garuda (depends on what we find out)

[stiff fable]

Technically the prime trailers are all about the base frames

[restive river]

What lore did we even get from that?

[stiff fable]

So we know Ballas's thoughts about making her

[vestal vine]

º

[north ferry]

I wish all three signatures got primed.

[stiff fable]

Don't get me wrong it's not much, but it's more than Mesa

[stiff fable]

ugh yeah same

[dire mountain]

Is anyone actually clamoring for fusilai prime

[north ferry]

Me

[dire mountain]

Now if cantare gets shafted I will be annoyed

[stiff fable]

Would be cool

[restive river]

Probably one person at the very least

[stiff fable]

But imo Fusilai should get the Aeolak treatment

[restive river]

Warframe and it’s weapons are like Pokemon
Every single one is, somehow, someone’s favorite

[stiff fable]

Not a prime, but a void corrupted version

[vestal vine]

Fun fact, Ballas as literal translation in spanish means "bullets"

[restive river]

Oh so what I’m gonna empty into his head?

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/what-ever-24--k01KQ1NHGKT1VHS1QRSR9XQSKRP

[storm garden]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Stalker had ONE child, yea?

[north ferry]

I mean the key thing to me is the design for the Fusalial looks great on the base frame, but clips blatantly through the prime.

[stiff fable]

Someone I never put that together and I'm bilingual

[stiff fable]

According to eternalism he had infinite!

But yes.

[north ferry]

Yes

[restive river]

Yup

[storm garden]

Because I'm confused by the new animated trailer

[stiff fable]

But it turns out names matter, and the name you picked for the baby really really really REALLY matters

[vestal vine]

I put a beam ray

[stiff fable]

Oh that's easy. You know Trunks from Dragonball?

[restive river]

The Sirius and Orion we’re seeing are from two possible futures, eternalism!
Basically, somehow, they are time traveling backwards and into our timeline

[dire mountain]

Nominative determinism yippeee

[north ferry]

Two different futures of two different futures that butterflied into existence and the Dark timeline.

[storm garden]

Yea...?
Is it some multiverse nonsense? 😄

[stiff fable]

Bingo!

[vestal vine]

I dont know about the lore of that, but I remember that scene

[restive river]

You know Operator and Drifter?
That
It’s that

[storm garden]

Ah

[north ferry]

Kinda

[restive river]

Not kinda

[stiff fable]

The Stalker child name you DIDN'T pick is from a universe getting Androids Bad Ended, so he travels back in time to fix his timeline.

The Stalker child name you DID pick is also coming back in time to keep HIS (your) future timeline safe.

[north ferry]

As far as I know Drifter and Operator don't have timetravel in the mix.

[restive river]

The only difference between Operator and Drifter is the events that happened to them, they were still the same person and still kinda technically are
Same thing as Sirius and Orion.

[vestal vine]

I just've finished the nee war few hours ago btw

[north ferry]

Hold on, that's not the vibe I get.

[restive river]

Yes that’d be the one new factor lol

[stiff fable]

that's basically what they said during the devstream

[north ferry]

Yay, i'm technically not wrong.

[stiff fable]

One timeline is about to go away

So they're trying to dad-nap Stalker to fix it

[glacial bough]

Yes about them coming back, but they didn't say anything about the other coming back to save him

[vestal vine]

Question, both have the same memories? I didn't get that part too much

[stiff fable]

~somehow~

[restive river]

It sounds like for some reason Stalker was a bad dad and abandoned his kid, these two versions of our future is the result

[stiff fable]

no, their different names lead to them having very different upbringing and personality

[north ferry]

I thought the vibe they were both from bad futures trying to fix it, but hey i'm always wrong.

[restive river]

Operator and Drifter or Sirius and Orion?
Cause yes and no
They’d have the same memories up until the split in their history, after that, no

[vestal vine]

Operator and Drifter

[stiff fable]

if only because Orion is adopted/trained by Garuda proto, while Sirius is adopted/trained by Ash proto

[restive river]

They are both from bad futures

[north ferry]

Okay, yeah me and Captain are getting things wrong.

[restive river]

No they don’t innately share memories, their unique memories anyway
But they can share

[stiff fable]

I... strongly suspect that their playable version is actually going to be an Equinox situation

Where a button swaps their forms

[restive river]

It seems like Ash adopted them
Garuda found them later

[vestal vine]

Interesting way to use the time travel, everything happened is happening rn or will happen

[restive river]

If Garuda adopted them then she’s grooming Orion.

[north ferry]

Schroedinger's child but screw mutual exclusivity. (Yes this is a terrible analogy)

[stiff fable]

knew it was one or the other, we'll just see which is which

[glacial bough]

Both were trained seperately

[storm garden]

Ash Proto with the Oni mask looks sick ❤️

[restive river]

It’s Ash

[glacial bough]

Orion with Garuda, Sirius with Ash

[restive river]

Ash found them as a kid
Garuda did not

[north ferry]

Oh I must have missed that.

[stiff fable]

but also yeah what we know of both futures absolutely blows, evacuate the timelines and let the Murmur destroy both

[restive river]

"The fiercest strike is the one unseen. I was not looking for an apprentice when I found the boy. It was a sign: to secure the future, one final death will pay for all." - RYOKU

"What kind of sick mongrel denies their own blood? I am joined to him in glorious bloodshed, we pulse from the same vein. We'll drown cold revenge in a hot rain of fury and dance with their corpses." - VENA

[stiff fable]

that doesn't say in either case when they were picked up

which, yeah, bad juju

Bunny Drop all over this

[vestal vine]

Sharing like: Operator eats a potato, two days happen, the Drifter says hello, the operator shares their memories to the drifter, the Drifter now remembers something they didn't do

[stiff fable]

if you know you know

[north ferry]

Look, i'm most excited for Hunhow finally getting out and seeing if his character journey sticks

[restive river]

Ryoku says BOY
With Vena it sounds more like she found him later

[glacial bough]

All we know is that the Protos mentored their respective son

[stiff fable]

Sirius might still be BOY to him

It's just like my Japanese anime!

[restive river]

Sharing like talking to them and sharing memories like a normal person
They don’t have a mind meld lol

[humble sierra]

From the sounds of things Vena might be romantically involved with him?

[restive river]

Fair

[restive river]

She is, or wants to be
That’s why we can’t date her
She only wants him

[stiff fable]

also is it just me or is Mesa Heirloom just Metal: Hellsinger

[restive river]

She’s uh
Tsundere

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVyPO_tR540

[north ferry]

Yandere Vena.

[restive river]

Yes that one thank you

[stiff fable]

I can't believe I'm outing my power level over this

[dire mountain]

Yeah i was going to say it could be moreso like how sometimes old people call even like young adults "kid"

But it still very much could point toward him being adopted when he was younger

Could be a whole nature vs nurture of sorts thing going on

[stiff fable]

But tsundere is when someone acts cold or abrasive but either likes the character or warms up to them (classic tsundere)

[restive river]

It depends when Stalker abandoned him, which seemed to be early
But why did he do that ):

[glacial bough]

What Reb says is the Garuda only cares about Orion. We don't know if that's in the romantic sense

[humble sierra]

"Alright, there's another Tenno hunted down. Ready Sirius/Orion? Oh shit I left him alone like 3 planets ago"

[restive river]

I think they’ll go back to get Stalker, maybe to try and fix things idk
And it will be revealed it wasn’t his fault or wouldn’t have been but they fix it which averts that possible future from being the one we will have

[vestal vine]

Comming from a world like that wouldn't have been so weird

[stiff fable]

Yandere comes from "yangire" which is a slang term for someone who abruptly snaps and exhibits possessive behavior. Adding "-dere" means they do so after putting on a cutesy act

[restive river]

Didn’t they say obsessed lol

[restive river]

Maybe he is just a bad dad-

[stiff fable]

Real talk: third orb mother, bet

[humble sierra]

third orb mother, ded

[restive river]

Omg thats why they killed it

[stiff fable]

So Sirius and Orion destroy BOTH of their timelines by killing her early on

[humble sierra]

I wonder if that means they're just not gonna bother with Narmer stuff now

[north ferry]

If Stalker even did actively choose to abandon them. and its not more complicated. It feels like Stalker is a like a key player in the events, as well as in their lives.

[restive river]

Never say never!

[humble sierra]

We are playing as him in the quest, even if just for a little bit

[stiff fable]

The Tennocon stuff they hinted at makes it more likely than ever

[restive river]

Constellations is still a post new war thing

[north ferry]

Narmer is like... tangentially Tau plot line which is behind lots of tangents currently.

[stiff fable]

I think they just dropped the Third Orb Mother because they couldn't think of a way to make it fun

[restive river]

What stuff?

The unrevealed stuff or the tennocon pack

[dire mountain]

The logo for one

[stiff fable]

The Hunhullus ephemera has an emote that produces THE SUN

[stiff fable]

THE SUN being tied to Praghasa in particular and Narmer in general

[humble sierra]

It's two suns, like Tau's

[north ferry]

Yeah, thats Tau and of course were getting Tau. Heck the key art has the Tau suns in the background.

[humble sierra]

the pack is Tau-centric, not Narmer-centric

-centric isn't the correct term is it

[tall echo]

It works

Themed might be better but centric works

[stiff fable]

AH no, that's different!

[north ferry]

Narmer is tied into Tau, even if there's not actually relevant i expect there may be some tie up (at least in a way that leaves Archon hunts available)

[stiff fable]

The base color produces a yellow sun during the emote, not blue suns

meaning it's Sol and not the stars of Tau

[north ferry]

Yes, and both are revelant.

[tall echo]

I appear, I say one thing, I realize my phone battery is low

[humble sierra]

They only used the emote after matching it with Uriel's color scheme, so it might be based on Energy colors

In the Keyart the suns were blue

[glacial bough]

Color also means little when it's still two suns, not one

[humble sierra]

But the Keyart also could just be keyart

[north ferry]

I'm confused now.

[stiff fable]

A good place to be in Warframe

[north ferry]

Last Tennocon had events in the center of the sun, this one would probably as well

[restive river]

Oh yeah
I guess so lol
I just thought it was an energy orb AND the Tau stars

[humble sierra]

I'm already wondering what the 2027 EOY update will be ngl

Just like how I was wondering what the 2025 update would be after 1999

[stiff fable]

I have a guess tbh

[north ferry]

How do you figure you're able to predict that?

[stiff fable]

It'll either be a full Unum tileset or Wally's desert of entropy

[humble sierra]

Peak or Peak

[stiff fable]

I've read a lot of the same books and watched a lot of the same anime as Rebecca and company

[north ferry]

Fair enough 🤣

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dark-guyver--k01KQ1QF9BR218VZX6PKR7R8Q4Z

[north ferry]

Actually nah, I can see the 2027 update. We finally get to do anything in Tau that related to the major plot line.

[stiff fable]

That won't be the end of year update, it'll probably be an echoes update

[north ferry]

I'm just being very cynical.

[stiff fable]

oh fair

[north ferry]

Also, I dont think echoes are major plot line content typically.

[stiff fable]

yeah even the big ones only add Warframes

"only" lol

[narrow pendant]

i can already see how they will give sirius/orion a prime trailer and the narrator will be hunhow

hunhow would be more cinematic than stalker i feel like

[narrow pendant]

base colors were blue, otherwise the key art for them wouldnt be blue

its 100% the tau suns bc they also have that connecting line between them

and i believe the small orb on the chest is supposed to be either perita or the planet tau

[cunning ore]

Any news of Ballas?

[restive river]

No, he’s dead
As he should be

[cunning ore]

Oh 🙁 okay

[split quartz]

I mean
according to eternalism.......

[pale cedar]

Yeah, at Old Peace DE confirmed he is still dead

[split quartz]

sorry Blue emet-selch

[cunning ore]

🥺 ✨ he alive somewhere...

[pale cedar]

That you will never access

[cunning ore]

Don't worry, Mr. Lorebook just hate Eternalism

[cunning ore]

NOOOO 😭 😭 😭

[pale cedar]

Eternalism was a bad idea according to Eternalism

[restive river]

Nuh uh

[pale cedar]

If you want Ballas so badly just go talk to fake Ballas

[cunning ore]

By Eternalism, Eternalism both not exist and exist

That the funniesf

[cunning ore]

😭

[cunning ore]

Ew no

[pale cedar]

Eternalism ignored your want

[restive river]

Go into the sun

[pale cedar]

Ballas just chilling by the Sun

Ngl

Ballas should've died before even getting close

[cunning ore]

I think he swam in it or the Void unconsciously

[restive river]

By as in inside it and burning

[restive river]

Nah he is dead

[cunning ore]

Yea then unalively

[restive river]

If we’re gonna have an orokin as a villain they shouldn’t rehash ballass

[pale cedar]

The Void created fake Ballas instead

[cunning ore]

Void made DeepFake tech

[pale cedar]

Void was born with copy paste

[cunning ore]

Copy paste kinda skeptical but Void belike i dk

Have it own mind if that a right way to address it?

[pale cedar]

Void does feed on emotion

[cunning ore]

Interesting. Mr. Lorebook, how exactly traits/personalities created?

Cause it seem Wally have it own traits/personalities but based on it being an conceptual embodiment, it would hardly to have. Or it was sth else?

No serious, i mean in the sciene ways or psychological way or biological way?

Just ponder

[pale cedar]

Wally being made using the Albrecht template

Before Wally Albrecht was pretty indifferent like all Orokin

[cunning ore]

So it like Wally's traits formed base on Albrecht Orokin version?

[pale cedar]

Some did

[fast dew]

Some, not all. Nature vs Nurture and all

His actions later on are very unlikely to be from an Albrecht bit he picked up

[cunning ore]

So Wally's traits is like a mix?

[clever linden]

Can you send a link on this? I’m trying to find out what the new version of this operation has

[manic rover]

I just thought about something. Sirius and Orion may be considerably stronger than every other Warframe(without a Tenno)
All Warframes are mentally unstable. Both by design and then fighting their "PTSD".. but Sirius and Orion were born like that..They are also sane enough to be trained by their respective mentors.

They are of sound mind without the need of a Tenno to "share their pain"

They are built different literally

[fast dew]

Warframes are unstable not from the trauma, but from the infestation

Trauma actually keeps them stable enough to retain control over their bodies [umbra]

There is a whole chance they still go insane, but I do doubt it

[restive river]

I mean you say that but we don’t know how he was before the wet rat era

[fast dew]

We know a little, and he. Always kinda a wet rat, just less

Suicidal lol

[restive river]

I do wonder how Sirius and Orion’s minds work 👀

[fast dew]

It. was a human fetus

[restive river]

My point is he could have still been like the other Orokin lol

[fast dew]

But im unsure how the mind would develop past that

[restive river]

I mean both in terms of development and their relationship to the infestation

They clearly grew up and they sure don’t seem feral so like

[fast dew]

Also like

How did they grow up so fast

[restive river]

What lol

We don’t know how far in the future they’re from lol

Just that it’s like
The future future, more advanced corpus tech, the fact they’ve grown

[fast dew]

Oh. Yeah for some reason my head insisted one was from our timeline

[restive river]

At minimum it’s a couple decades in the future, at maximum
Oof
Who knows

[manic rover]

Human nature clashes with the infestation but what if there was no human nature to hold onto to begin with? Orion and Sirius were born Warframes. They have embraced it from the get go.

[restive river]

I do wonder how much we will delve into how they work

Like
Can they speak?

[fast dew]

The infestation hivemind just drives human minds insane :p it depends on if their minds are the same as ours or not

[restive river]

Is their mind even stable

[restive river]

Ok but like
All of the Infested is kinda rabid

[fast dew]

Ye

The other person is suggesting if they're not. Rabid

Which i don't believe will be the case

[restive river]

The whole human mind succumbing to it is likely from the mind slowly being subsumed into the larger hivemind
Which it’s likely those strong emotions that then act as an anchor

But now we have a natural-born frame, it appears as if they aren’t rabid so is that due to an anchor or something else?

[fast dew]

I don't think we've ever seen a stable form of infestation, outside the vessels, which might be because they don't have. Minds to begin with

[restive river]

I do think that their nurture was huge for their development
They literally grew differently

[dark compass]

Hi region

[fast dew]

True is that

[restive river]

Helminth, kinda?
The vessels are much more inert but house a domestic strain and big strain

[fast dew]

Hi nuke

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-kitten-kitty-hi-hii-hey-gif-21229532

[restive river]

Sirius and Orion are incredibly unique and I doubt they will be like anything else we have ever seen

[fast dew]

Mm, more tame but I don't think they're not. Mildly Feral when given the chance [blinks at lizzie]

[fast dew]

Watch it be the same as we've seen it/j

[restive river]

Yeah no the infestation takes every chance it gets lol

[dark compass]

I'm really wondering what sort of gameplay sequence we will even have with this

[fast dew]

Railjack, invade ship, destroy ship, protos on comms

[restive river]

If it is then it’s just
Kid grew up as a warframe but with a human mind, as they grew and the infestation grew its hold slowly took but oop, trauma time
Boom
Anchor

[dark compass]

Also it makes sense now

Tau as the next major update

Huhhow finally lifts his ass up

[restive river]

Well we still got the Fall update lol

[fast dew]

Oh, yeah and. Vena was it? She was supposed to be in with 1999, along with

Her brother

No clue who that would've been

[restive river]

I do think Hunhow may assist in what’s to come

[dark compass]

Oh right

Jade shadows 3

[restive river]

Baruuk

[fast dew]

Heh

[dark compass]

Did I miss some context

[restive river]

Vena and Ryoku were probably random civilians tbh
Then boom
Albrecht busts down the eternalism door
“Take this and go help that kid”
One becomes a mentor
The other becomes obsessed

[fast dew]

:(

[restive river]

I do think Orion likely had noone after his father left, Vena coming in later

[restive river]

Baruuuuuk

One day lol

[dark compass]

Oh that's the context

[fast dew]

Liger what are you hiding

[restive river]

It could be cool tbh if we went to the future
But
Maybe not for a while lol

[fast dew]

Were they gonna make a cool entrati logo :(

[restive river]

Albrecht when he’s involved with a protoframe moment

Maybe!

The text on Vena isn’t like anything else, correct?

My initial thought was possibly future Grineer but if both have ties to the corpus and both come from corpus ruled futures then I do wonder what it is

[fast dew]

They were doing. Generic orokin thing, the top one was probably entrati related
-# obols

[fast dew]

Mm, liger seems to have put tennobet in there, they just. Forgot what It says lol

[restive river]

Which
Actually
If we did go to the future it could be cool to have future parvos or nef as the villain?

[restive river]

On the official one or the concept art

[fast dew]

Oh, concept for her logo crest thingy, if you got a good screenie of her actual one i can compare it to the concept to see if it matches to the ones liger went idk at

[north ferry]

Oh god more bloody Albrecht.

[fast dew]

Wh

[restive river]

I can’t at the moment, apologies

[fast dew]

We haven't seen him in a year 😭

[restive river]

It’s protoframes
Fork found in kitchen

[fast dew]

Hes been vaguely mentioned, and the current arc is. His arc

[restive river]

Well one of them

[fast dew]

Saga, thats. The term i should use

[restive river]

We are technically in two rn

[fast dew]

The saga is predominantly based around Albrecht's tomfoolery

[restive river]

Void War is Albrecht
Tau Arc is. Transhumsnism????

We’re like
Not just human’s with void powers anymore so

[dark compass]

Damn

Baruuk

Rip in peace

[restive river]

Could be cool to see a Baruuk proto later and have them interact with Vena

[north ferry]

I think the frustrating part about Albrecht's role in the game right now is we're kinda always just, chasing along and kinda takes away from Drifter's agency, or lacking direct interaction with him for all he's shaping the narrative.

[fast dew]

I just want my proto Loid 💔

[restive river]

Only issue being is getting them into the Origin system
With depending on placement could be a non issue

[restive river]

I mean he just keeps running and doing his mr mcguffin thing lol

[fast dew]

Which. I hate

<- not a big fan of more protos

[restive river]

We also seem to be talking a siesta from the void war proper

[north ferry]

So much i can't even remember what the plot even is anymore. But that might just be the time between updates.

[restive river]

Hey, at least these ones are actually tied to their update lol

[restive river]

Time between updates

[fast dew]

But i do think Albrecht being so.. whats the term. Untouchable? Ethereal? The word for being unable to be perceived for long due to being. Almost paranormal

Whatever the word is, i think thats one of his strongest parts of his story

[restive river]

As of New War the Void War arc is
We need to find gay grandpa before the wall man gets him first, along the way we pick up what scraps we can while teaching him down

[fast dew]

Or. Characterisation

[restive river]

The liminal man

[fast dew]

Mm, yeah sorta

[dark compass]

Baruuk already looks like a normal shirtless dude with a bug head

[fast dew]

He isnt supposed to be human, like you and me

[restive river]

Imagine if the bug head wasn’t a bug

[restive river]

Well he is he just has tech and knowledge beyond what we know

[fast dew]

Hes designed to be. Close to us but not quite

Forever the lustre of orokin lifestyle or whatever

[fast dew]

Design, not literally lol

[restive river]

Like seriously
He made a Time Machine

[restive river]

OH
yes

[fast dew]

He is gonna. Martyr himself, and i think the distance he holds between folk is important for that reason

[dark compass]

Focused update? Check
Not Nitohk? Check
No romance? Check

I think, they just might... Be appropriate in the story

[restive river]

I felt genuine dread when Vena came up and was BLUE

[dark compass]

She really looked blue

[restive river]

It was horrifying

Then they showed her and all was well

[north ferry]

I mean, although as far as i can tell, Kaya and Roathe also reverse engineered time travel.

[fast dew]

I am glad for that, just. Not so much the bastardisation of the protoframe idea, ykim? The whole thing is that Albrecht doesn't like doing these things, why does he just continue to do this

[dark compass]

I assume we shall learn

[restive river]

Kaya did through us
Roathe did through helminth
Albrecht did it through ??? But presumably the void

[fast dew]

And. We still have a problem of where it fits

[dark compass]

That's on kim chats to elaborate

[restive river]

And we don’t know how the constellations got here yet other than that they have access to eternalism

[fast dew]

Which is one if my biggest issues with the triad tbh

[dark compass]

[north ferry]

I mean. We dont know what's actually happening in Albrecht's head.

[restive river]

These fit better than the Triad ever did lol

[fast dew]

We know a lot more than what a lot of folk assume

[dark compass]

Yeah

[fast dew]

True, but im. Unsure of the timeline

[restive river]

At least they will be in the quest and personally know our new pal

[north ferry]

I mean it just makes me think the actual time travel side of the story is more 'mundane' side of it.

[dark compass]

Kaya just ate a piece of Argon and jumped into the portal the moment it expired

Trust

[fast dew]

Was. It between the creation of the triad and the permanent leave to 1999? Was it. Before both? Was it a post 1999 leave action?

[restive river]

I mean yes it will likely not be a focus, not like we’re utilizing it
But the fact they time traveled backwards and from other timelines is objectively huge

[north ferry]

Also, I guess I haven't got to the point where Roathe shares how he figures it out.

[restive river]

He has a Time Machine so honestly, I’m not that stressed about exactly when he left to do it

[fast dew]

And. The whole issue of him never mentioning them once again 😭

[north ferry]

I mean i get the implications every thing happens for Albrecht before 1999.

[restive river]

With Albrecht’s access to the timeline he could have literally been gone and making protos for a hundred years from his perspective

[restive river]

I’m still miffed we don’t know why he made them

[north ferry]

The Triad?

[fast dew]

Could be, but id just. Prefer if they actually added some form of foreshadowing thats more than drifter going "oh maybe they exist" 😭

[restive river]

All of the protos

[dark compass]

What if it wasn't him who made them

What if Orion and Sirius can just... Do that

[restive river]

Unlikely

[dark compass]

[north ferry]

I mean, there's several hints and theories but its probably meant to still be a mystery.

[restive river]

Interesting theory
Or
Path of least resistance lol

[fast dew]

Albrecht likes to explain most of his actions, hes a pretty bad yapper actually lol

[restive river]

They got the eternalism tech somehow and mr mcguffin is mr mcguffin

[fast dew]

He just

Quickly moved over why he even made them in the first place in favour to explain the vessels

[restive river]

The Protos:
Leaving Kalymos:
Tau:

Sorry
He did explain a good bit in the notes lol

[fast dew]

He was fixated on talking about the vessels :(

I think him letting us care for kalymos is the best option

[dark compass]

Like a good cat owner he does not question the authority of Kalymos

[restive river]

Y’know
Is Albrecht was Infested then that would explain why he didn’t bring her

But this is
A stretch lol

[restive river]

True she is the real mastermind

[fast dew]

Id rather her be with us than at risk wherever Albrecht might be

[dark compass]

Glyph of her reading the grimoire

[restive river]

We give her better scratches anyway

[fast dew]

Also im not weird for thinking getting Loid up to the family was. Risky right

[restive river]

She’s our cat now :)

[fast dew]

What if he got infested :(

[dark compass]

I'd honestly be surprised if it will even have plot relevance going forward

[fast dew]

I can excuse the cavia going up there, void and infestation not liking each other and all

[restive river]

Absolutely, genuinely a stupid move

[fast dew]

I appreciate the meaning behind it but

[restive river]

I chalk up to more bad triad writing tbh

[fast dew]

Holy shit that was a horrible idea

[dark compass]

What if it happens canonically regardless but they just explain it depending on if you did it or he decided himself

[restive river]

Like they seemed to forget that the triad don’t have a loop and thus physically they will infest sooner and in real time, even if we loop them we don’t loop the infestation nor can we do that forever

[fast dew]

Forever gonna bash roach for it because

Risk. High high risk. If the dark refractory doesn't work with infested folk, I cannot imagine what other bits of Albrecht's tech refuses infestation the same way

[restive river]

Same issue with the constellations btw
Though maybe they have a solution, unlike the triad

[restive river]

Maybe it’s better that I don’t complete the triad…

[fast dew]

I just wish they didn't leave so many things open

Sometimes its good, but other times it feels like a fraying blanket

[restive river]

I think my kim is fixed but talking to marie and roathe is
Exhausting

[fast dew]

Mm, its. Pretty bad

[restive river]

I remember logging in just cause I got a new kaya or velimir/minerva chat
That was exciting!

[fast dew]

Genuinely such a drag lol

[restive river]

Like the sentient construction?

How it gets more frayed
Kinda

[fast dew]

Uhhh sure

Theres just a lot of loose threads that if you pull a little too hard on it starts to break

[dark compass]

Who are we pulling

[fast dew]

The triad and the bullshit stuff with them

[restive river]

I wish i had a pic of what i mean, sorry ):

If you’re ever on a sentient ship find where it likes broken or unfinished

The ships look like they’re made of strands that form a larger structure

[fast dew]

Roathe feels creepy, always did, since that first line where he goes on to wonder what Albrecht would feel knowing he was alone with loid. Whatever that. Is supposed to mean

Marie is shallow, and. A wasted bit of potential

Lyon is just a tool to build Marie up

[fast dew]

OHHHHHH

[restive river]

Am I crazy or is them infesting cause not in a loop a plothole-
Like
Idk what to call it

[fast dew]

Actually hold on, Doom has a similar thing for their own mechanical land area

[restive river]

Lyon’s one thing is his story/trauma and the bible quotes

And ofc what you said

[fast dew]

Lyon is the least insufferable because of it

[restive river]

If he wasn’t locked behind her he would be fine

And if he had the strikes

[humble sierra]

https://www.warframe.com/en/news/operation-belly-of-the-beast-coming-soon

[fast dew]

Nodders

[clever linden]

Thx!

[fast dew]

It kinda looks whar you're talking about lol

[dark compass]

Windows screensaver

[fast dew]

Yeah it kinda does look like smthn old windows would make

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/windows00-windows2000-simpler-times-screensaver-pipes-gif-14530365

[restive river]

Oh yeah kinda!

Especially the top darker bit

[dark compass]

Wait

[restive river]

This is how the sentients make stuff

[fast dew]

The cool thing is that. Both examples are. Alive :)

[dark compass]

Is this what carpenter truly meant

[restive river]

It’s more interwoven but that’s it

[restive river]

Cool

[restive river]

Probably?

[fast dew]

If i had a dollar for every time doom and warframe had a similar thing id. Have at least 3 dollars

[dark compass]

They're called carpenters because all of it is made of threads

Truly, immaculate, perfect

[restive river]

Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened thrice

[fast dew]

One of them is super specific too

[restive river]

What are the other two

Including the specific one

[fast dew]

In both classic doom and warframe, deimos got yonked into a space between spaces which allows for eternalism because of rich people

[dark compass]

Belly of the beast Honoria
"Eating for two"

[fast dew]

And uh

Urdak looks like the void

Ignore doomguy's messed up haircut

[dark compass]

Nice shave

[fast dew]

The 90s was a different time

Oh, 4 times

Because theres the similarities between the maykrs and the orokin

[dark compass]

Both are white, gold and annoying

[fast dew]

Both "golden" holier than thou godlike figures who use human suffering to fuel their immortality

Who. Happen to run on a caste system

And are. Usually giga racist

[dark compass]

Usually holier than thou and giga racist are a package deal

They definitely share a common ancestor in inspirations

[fast dew]

Oh and a guy who has powers having apart of his "body" torn away to fuel other people's powers

[fast dew]

True, though im not sure what that might be. The maykrs are mildly from oriental inspirations. Their script is specifically based on Eastern asian languages

And i do know the orokin follow similar routes

Though, the maykrs are more christofascist

[humble sierra]

I know Megan was wanting Vainglorious Whelp

But that was New War

[fast dew]

-# fun fact, doom actually lables all religions with the idea of a heaven as the result of maykr colonialism

[dark compass]

I'm glad my dream honoria actually was one of the release ones

[dark compass]

Hmmm

Perhaps just pulling from the same sources

[fast dew]

Wouldn't be super surprised

[idle fog]

is there a lore reason that that one currency is called "Aya"

[fast dew]

The name doesnt mean anything, but the currency is just memory plasma

[scenic oar]

Soooo, wanna "lore" about our bois orion / sirious?

[idle fog]

I forgot which name I chose for the kid, I think it was sirius

[scenic oar]

Mee too , coz I like jade more , so I chose green aka sirius

It's gonna be eternalism thingy again, lolz

But I more curious about proto frame, not sure they are from 1999 or future timeline

[humble sierra]

They're from the future

[fast dew]

Future + Seperate timeline

[radiant pier]

WAT

[fast dew]

Whuh

[radiant pier]

what is that

[ashen pulsar]

oh okay
...why are we going to the future? or is the future coming to us?

[fast dew]

Doom eternal, I was likening it to how sentient structure grows on murexes

[narrow pendant]

2 stalker sons each from their own doomed timeline which are in the future which is why theyre grown up

[ashen pulsar]

so they're coming to us?

[narrow pendant]

yes

[ashen pulsar]

is the future doomed then

[narrow pendant]

its other timelines

[ashen pulsar]

welp shit

[ashen pulsar]

oh okay

[narrow pendant]

only ours has the drifter operator paradox

[ashen pulsar]

so the other timelines are doomed cuz they dont have the chosen operator

[narrow pendant]

we dont know anything of those timelines

[ashen pulsar]

we know they dont have our operator

[narrow pendant]

only the protoframes themes with garuda being very cyberpunk like and the ash less but still a bit

more like a wasteland/fallout like fit

[dense gazelle]

That coming update does have me curious on one thing. Garuda's parts are found on Fortuna yet she is with the Grineer ship weird.

[pale cedar]

Nothing says another timeline needs us specifically to survive

[narrow pendant]

? both protos have their own personalized stolen corpus ship

[dense gazelle]

I thought I saw it was the Kuva something

[narrow pendant]

and in the trailer they destroyed the 3rd orb and from what ive gathered it will be scattered across venus containing garuda lore

[narrow pendant]

the Kuva Wytch

its not grineer exclusive

• whole nother timeline

[dense gazelle]

Ah all good then XD

[narrow pendant]

and the Ash being Scoria's chosen (scoria being the orokin school of political assassination) that "coincidentally" had its operator scoria cosmetic in last weeks baro store

[ashen pulsar]

I mean, I would assume they did. we've done some things that are vital to our timeline, and wally's destroyed many others cuz they weren't defended well enough

[pale cedar]

Nothing says that's due to us not being there though

We’re just the Tenno that made the deal there's no most powerful Tenno or anything

[radiant pier]

what does one do with 16 argon

[pale cedar]

Wally has destroyed Timelines because he can do that us being there wouldn't have stopped that

[ashen pulsar]

it isnt necessarily but I'd assume that we, as the tenno that stopped narmer and are currently fighting back the murmur, are one of the most impactful forces in the survival of our timeline.

[worn cypress]

ahaaaa so thats what happening ?

[pale cedar]

We are but so are other Tenno

[humble sierra]

Future coming to us

[radiant pier]

Kahl

[worn cypress]

yeh

[radiant pier]

Kahl and blue girl

they're doing the whole... fighting back narmer one step at a time

[fast dew]

What the

OOOHH THATS THEM

[ashen pulsar]

but we were the ones that brought other tenno to the sanctum

[pale cedar]

So?

[ashen pulsar]

if not for us, there's a good chance none of that would've happened

[mental herald]

I want kahl sisters to be on missions too

[pale cedar]

That's just proving we’re the chosen Opetator not that others can't at all help the system without us

[fast dew]

Hm? What other tenno?

[ashen pulsar]

they wouldn't have gotten the chance to do it until he broke past deimos, most likely

[ashen pulsar]

the other tenno in warframe that help us fight our enemiess

including the murmur

[pale cedar]

Think of it like this

I can invite someone to my house it still doesn't make me the most powerful person in the world

[ashen pulsar]

we aren't the most powerful
but what we've done has been incredibly important work

and if not for us, who would've done it

[pale cedar]

What others have done is equally as important

[radiant pier]

the....obanakk heavy blade skin is....uhm... interesting

a very.....unfortunately familiar shape

[ashen pulsar]

why
they hid away during narmer's uprising, they didn't discover the murmur, we've done far more than the other tenno

[pale cedar]

You directly see another Tenno during New War

They once they did discover Murmur came and helped out with Murmur making the work equally as important

First, you get the Chosen Operator for Chosen Operator things then bring the other Tenno because they are still important and do important work

[ashen pulsar]

once we started it, then some people joined in

[pale cedar]

If they weren't important they wouldn't have joined in

[ashen pulsar]

but if there wasn't a chosen operator to start it then who would have

[pale cedar]

Literally any other Tenno

[ashen pulsar]

not really
we could discover it because of what we've done previously

[pale cedar]

Yes really

[zenith ore]

Playstation coming through. Can someone explain the new Orion and Sirius stuff? What's happening or has happened to them?

[ashen pulsar]

it would've become easy to discover once wally claimed most of deimos, but we also were the ones to save deimos

nobody would've been going to deimos if not for us

[pale cedar]

See it like this

There can be a more influential not most powerful Tenno that isn't the entire reason a world fails because they're removed

[ashen pulsar]

never said we were most powerful

[radiant pier]

you may blame scarlet for that unfortunate familiarity

[pale cedar]

By saying timelines fail without us you sorta are saying that

[zenith ore]

@fast dew Thomas?

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, at the end of the mission you will hear a namecall even

[worn cypress]

whats that

[ashen pulsar]

just that what we've started, not other tenno, has been the most impactful on our timeline. Wally has destroyed many timelines, but we are the ones holding him back because we have saved our timeline multiple times. if not for us, the tenno that are doing the "equally as important" work wouldn't have stepped up

[pale cedar]

They would've

Rell was doing it before we ever woke up

[smoky gulch]

You will hear Lotus say Kahl has finished mission

[pale cedar]

Nothing ever says we’re the reason Tenno are active

[ashen pulsar]

rell was going insane and didn't have much time left

[pale cedar]

Still was standing on business for the entire time we were asleep

[ashen pulsar]

true, but for how long

[pale cedar]

At least 1000 years

[narrow pendant]

proto ash and garuda being in the future of present day sol system while still being in a 4 digit year (XX99) implies that were atleast not in the 10k years lol

so lets say the orokin ruled for at least 3k years? 1-2k ish more post old war till current day and we would be at 7k years probably even later

[pale cedar]

10k if the comic is to be believed

[flat urchin]

Am i the only who felt a bit sad for the operator during this? Especially with the new update the operators face looks like its about to cry

I remembered that one scene from stitch were he was lost holding the ugly duckling book

[narrow pendant]

then the date on their concept art implies the Xs mean nothing huh

[narrow pendant]

im talking about garuda and ash

[pale cedar]

Probably does

[narrow pendant]

and they come from even further into the future than the new war while still having XX99 in the concept art proudly shown by DE