lore-discussion

[narrow pendant]

garuda and ash protos

pretty sure thats ash with the mask

[fast dew]

SCREW MY ENTIRE LIFE

[magic storm]

Hunhow?!

[narrow pendant]

HUNHOW

[brave robin]

HUNHOW

[strange plinth]

oh hey hunhow

[fast dew]

BYNIW0

[brave robin]

HOLY WALLPAPER

[glacial bough]

Jesus DE

[narrow pendant]

absolute cinema

[fast dew]

WOAH

[brave robin]

DE PLEASE HOLY MUCK

[magic storm]

SEQUEL?!

[fast dew]

WHUH

NO. NO

[narrow pendant]

WOA

[fast dew]

NOT ETERNALISM

[glacial bough]

Oh god no

[dark compass]

What

[rigid compass]

????

[glacial bough]

DE, don't do this to us

[magic storm]

❤️ Eternalism

[rigid compass]

Hunhow what

[dark compass]

Was that Garuda Nitohk proto

[strange plinth]

devstream stuff, again.

[magic storm]

I knew DE wasn't done with Eternalism :3

[dark compass]

I swear

[glacial bough]

Maybe

[fast dew]

Im gonna throw something

[strange turtle]

Future Orion and Sirius

[brave robin]

Me when the timetravel power fantasy sci fi stuff has time travel sci fi stuff

[celest needle]

What happened

[dark compass]

The clawed one

[celest needle]

My stream lagged

[dark compass]

It's clearly Garuda proto

[fast dew]

Im so

[strange turtle]

Oh right yeah no that might be her

[dark compass]

And she's clearly an orokin

[fast dew]

Not excited

[strange turtle]

How tf did Orion(?) end up getting mentored by her 😭

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/dogvomit-dog-vomit-this-is-dogvomit-this-is-dog-vomit-gif-12416058463406462671

[strange turtle]

Hunhow wyd your godchilds getting manipulated by a Golden Lord

[dark compass]

Like this is cool but

[humble sierra]

[Coolest thing ever]
This sucks actually

Let them cook guys

[cosmic badge]

Im unable to watch atm whats happening?

[dark compass]

Eternalism

[glacial bough]

Possible, but there's little to say with so few frames and the lighting

[fast dew]

Shit.

[brittle siren]

Is Sirius and Orion gonna be better Equinox

I could imagine their gameplay is switching form

[fast dew]

Shit is happening

HUNHOW IS COMING OUT

[humble sierra]

Jade shadows sequel where the baby is grown up and eternalism has them trained by two different Protoframes (one for each option of Sirius/Orion)

[dark compass]

I'm really torn

[fleet furnace]

roathes not going to be happy about this

[cosmic badge]

Oh heck yea

[waxen pond]

He decided to out-edge his father

[humble sierra]

Protoframes seem like Ash and Garuda

[strange turtle]

There’s a flashy animated trailer and basically. Sirius and Orion both come back from the futures to kidnap Stalker back to their own future

[humble sierra]

Garuda seems to be an Orokin, likely Nitokh

[dark compass]

On one side it looks cool, on the other hand they're falling into the most jumping the shark redditor ass narrative possible

[cosmic badge]

Ooooo

[drowsy saddle]

WAIT IS SIRIUS/ORION GONNA BE A PLAYABLE FRAME?

[brittle siren]

Omg they are playable

[humble sierra]

Yep

[narrow pendant]

HA THEY FINALLY DID THE ERRA COLLAB

[brittle siren]

Please better Equinox

[fast dew]

OHHH

[waxen pond]

Something some called back when Jade Shadows released

[dark compass]

Is this going to be like Nokko completely dumpstering Qorvex

[humble sierra]

Equinox gonna be dead in the water

[drowsy saddle]

Frankly i was just expecting making the baby a weapon

[ocean geyser]

Son a lil freaky goddamn

[waxen pond]

Qorvex still has propaganda, at least

[brittle siren]

Or they going to be “Stalker playable” we always hoping for

[humble sierra]

COMIGN JUNE?!

[glacial bough]

Why would they be like Equinox, they're two separate people

[dark compass]

What

[waxen pond]

Like grandpa, like grandson?

[dark compass]

June????

[strange turtle]

Protoframes added
Immediately powercreeped by Sirion

[humble sierra]

They're the same person

Two variants of the same person

[brittle siren]

Switching form lmao, how do you even add 2 of the same frame at the same time???????????? They are the same person

[fast dew]

NOOO

[waxen pond]

About as much as Operator and Drifter are different people

[drifting lintel]

Serious and Orion grown up... Holy shit

[glacial bough]

Two separate versions

[dark compass]

Are they seriously doing eternalism to pull skins

[humble sierra]

NOT NITOKH

[dark compass]

NOT NITOHK

[strange turtle]

Ash Proto Ryoku with Sirius, Garuda Proto Vena with Orion

[fast dew]

Ayyyy

[ocean geyser]

Interaction lines after you get loid up there

[humble sierra]

LETS GOOOOOO

[waxen pond]

GARUDA PROTO IS NOT NITOKH, THANK THE VOID

[brittle siren]

That not Nikoth

[fast dew]

ORB

[humble sierra]

I TOLD YOU, LET THEM COOK

[fast dew]

ORB ORB ORB

[narrow pendant]

ah so were just gonna explode the 3rd orb LMAO

[ocean geyser]

What made you think it wasn’t a place 💀

[dark compass]

Dodged a nuke

[drowsy saddle]

Imma keep it a buck, Garuda protoframe is gonna be Nitokh's daughter

[humble sierra]

Peak

[ocean geyser]

wait I can’t watch the devstream rn
Wtf going on

[dark compass]

That's ok as long as it isn't Nitohk

[strange plinth]

i'll take that over it being Nitokh herself

[waxen pond]

Just like Roathe was directly related to some previously known Orokin, right?
Wait

[dark compass]

Jade Shadows 2

[brittle siren]

She have a Japanese name so she come from the far past

[dark compass]

The entire plot is eternalism

[strange turtle]

Someone said “I delivered that baby” 😭

[narrow pendant]

the insanest most awesomest trailer

[drowsy saddle]

It would be incredibly funny if she's Roathe's unkown love child with Nitokh

[humble sierra]

Jade shadows sequel, two Protoframes who are is mentoring Sirius/aorion, Stalker's baby who has come from the future to kidnap his dad— eternalism wise

[strange turtle]

Some languages survived

[fast dew]

Thats the baby i was a midwife for

[brittle siren]

Yes but if she an Orokin why she had Japanese name?

[waxen pond]

No, that would be bad and not funny
Not everyone has to be related to someone already in the story

[strange turtle]

Albrecht:

[humble sierra]

Albrecht is a German name

[fast dew]

Why does Albrecht have a german name with a german nickname

[narrow pendant]

so is Gauss

[strange turtle]

Also the Orokin have a bunch of Oriental influence

[restive river]

Y’all seeing the dev stream?

[brittle siren]

Yes?

[humble sierra]

Nope not at all

[ocean geyser]

No unfortunately

[waxen pond]

Because he's literally Orokin Einstein
Also his last name is Italian but who cares

[dark compass]

I ate the devstream

[restive river]

||Genuinely so happy that ain’t Nitokh|| devstream spoilers

[brittle siren]

I watch it on Twitch

[humble sierra]

Grendel

[humble sierra]

100%

[fast dew]

Vauban

[strange turtle]

Japanese is actually one of the more likely ones to carry on into their society

[fast dew]

Hes french afaik but yk

[drowsy saddle]

FR*NCH

[humble sierra]

Yeah that imperialism stuff goes hard

[fast dew]

Second chance at loid proto

[humble sierra]

Who tf is this guy on the devstream now? Is he just talking about the animation they played twice?

I wasn't paying attention

[dark compass]

I'm really conflicted about the update

[waxen pond]

Yes

[drowsy saddle]

Director of the animation iirc

[woven coyote]

Only thing i can think of with that quest is how the eternalism people are gonna get more annoying

[brittle siren]

What?

[humble sierra]

Sick

[drowsy saddle]

RoatheEternalismRant.png

[dark compass]

It's such a massive "eternalism" asspull, but it also seems extremely cool

[humble sierra]

I hope they get to go in-depth on both branches properly

[celest needle]

Hopefully it's self contained

[glacial bough]

I'm looking forward to it, just gonna hate the malding about Eternalism from people

[drowsy saddle]

Let's be fair, what else are we gonna use eternalism for?

[dark compass]

Xata...

[celest needle]

Narmer!!!!

[strange turtle]

I can’t believe DE enslaved an entire Ostron village to animate the trailer 😔

[woven coyote]

They wont we all know they wont

[waxen pond]

Honestly, the only thing I could think of watching this animation is how it had more constant explosions covering entire screen than Sieg vs Karna in Fate/Apocrypha
Which is
Ok, that's accurate to Warframe gameplay

[brittle siren]

Isn't it just normal time travel but 2 version collide with each other?

[strange plinth]

the whole point was that it was only theoretically accessible, and that it wasn't accessed often

[cosmic badge]

Thats the baby we helped delivered

[woven coyote]

That's the point, not using eternalism all willy nilly

[drowsy saddle]

We're like... 2 uses in the past 4 years?

[waxen pond]

Thanks to Transference the Operator actually knows what it feels like to give birth

I didn't need to say that

[strange plinth]

eternalism's there to explain the drifter, but that's about it
n that only happened through wally

[brittle siren]

If you count Revenant Prime, Duviri, and Baro etc there’s a tons

[drowsy saddle]

Never gets to experience puberty but has given birth

Really rolled the bad hand of life huh

[dark compass]

The good thing is that it's a whole update reserved for protos

[cosmic badge]

Its funny to think about its fine

[dark compass]

Instead of shoehorning it like the triad

[fast dew]

Hiw

How did

How did Albrecht get those protoframes

[waxen pond]

I don't think they really care much after having to kill their parents, being sent to war and having their robot boywife die in their hands next day after they got married

[dark compass]

Eternalism...

[brittle siren]

He inject helminth strain into them

[dark compass]

Unironically now

[woven coyote]

Ewww

[dark compass]

[woven coyote]

Really disappointed to see marvel level of writing

[dark compass]

I can't believe this is an actual explanation

[strange plinth]

i fear it may actually be true this time

[drowsy saddle]

Eternalism haters when i rotate the rubix cube

[dark compass]

I can't even shitpost about it

[brittle siren]

Judging the quest before it even came out 🥀

[waxen pond]

Albrecht is like Doctor Who if Doctor Who was just running around timelines injecting people with a virus that turns them into dateable transhuman weapons

[magic storm]

Back from AFK and... Hi, Ash-proto O.O

[pale cedar]

He looks weird without the cowl

[cosmic badge]

I can not wait to read the summary of this devstream so I can know what else happened outside of grown up stalker child and new protos

[dark compass]

Got no ass

[strange turtle]

-# maybe that’s why he wears it

[dark compass]

SHE ISN'T BLUE

[pale cedar]

He knows ball knowledge

[brittle siren]

Prob Ash idle is outdated, which make proto looks kinda bad

[waxen pond]

Contrary to popular belief, not all men got whole ass

[fast dew]

I need a cigarette.

[humble sierra]

she's not even BLUE

[woven coyote]

I mean the single part that was revealed is the disappointing writing
It's the marvel level garbage multiverse slop

[drowsy saddle]

NOT EVEN DABA DEE DABEDA?

[fast dew]

What are they doing to my boy

[cosmic badge]

What's wrong with you? Why arent you blue

[humble sierra]

I hate their hairstyles I can't lie

[brittle siren]

What “marvel” about this?

[fast dew]

Im gonna throw someone

[dark compass]

eternalism protoframes

Yesterday you would've laughed at the idea

[strange turtle]

Need a summary of what got revealed?

[humble sierra]

The long ahh ponytails are annoying as hell

[fast dew]

How.

How did Albrecht do this

[dark compass]

Eternalism

[humble sierra]

He probably didn't

[pale cedar]

Eternalism

[cosmic badge]

Roathe is gonna be livid on how this is the actual explanation

[drowsy saddle]

DABADEEDABEDAA

[magic storm]

No, no. I have a need to get good at making art.

[brittle siren]

It's just normal time travel, guys. Compared to Rev Prime and Drifter it’s much more tame

[cosmic badge]

Yes please

[humble sierra]

RAILJACK

[fast dew]

Im gonna be violent

[dark compass]

Those are protos with an update focused on them instead

[cosmic badge]

more railjack content?

[dark compass]

So hopefully less triad garbage

[humble sierra]

Yeah

[cosmic badge]

Miracle

[humble sierra]

Uranus nodes now

[glacial bough]

Oh wow, RJ stuff

[dark compass]

Haha uranus

[waxen pond]

They opened the Uranus Proxima

[humble sierra]

Railjack hub is crazy

[strange plinth]

"Scoria's Angel" huh

[cosmic badge]

We get a hub for railjacks?

[humble sierra]

Kuva Witch...

Oh that's their ship names

[waxen pond]

Oh, hey, Leverian reference

[magic storm]

I... Don't remember which one I went with.

[strange turtle]

Scoria sounds familiar

[pale cedar]

Is it just me or is the Uranus ring placed the wrong way?

[cosmic badge]

God I hate being unable to watch i needa see this

[strange turtle]

Oh right the Assassin school

[strange plinth]

does this mean garuda gets a leverian too

[humble sierra]

Ash's Leverian

[waxen pond]

It was the assassin school in Ash' Leverian

[brave robin]

@rigid compass you might get your Hunhow boss fight

[drowsy saddle]

Railin in my jack

[waxen pond]

Rebb promised us Garuda lore and we are long overdue a new Leverian

[dark compass]

NOOO ROOMBA

[cosmic badge]

She rail on my jack till I hull breach

[magic storm]

Poor Roomba 😄

[dark compass]

WHYYYYYYYY

[humble sierra]

Sick af Gemini emote

[dark compass]

This is how much time it takes for Ash to kill a single enemy

[strange turtle]

Since Ash gets a Scoria thing, Kuva Witch is probably related to Vena, so the theories of either her and/or Garuda having a Nitokh connection are probably right

[dark compass]

Very gameplay accurate

[strange plinth]

is that emote longer or

[dark compass]

They didn't make her Nitohk that's already a win

[cosmic badge]

I feel like the short kid trying to peep over the fence for a baseball game I wanna see but I cant

[strange plinth]

lmao

[humble sierra]

Ryoku's VA is one of the voices in Code Vein 2

[glacial bough]

Jimmy Yamaguchi if I heard right

[humble sierra]

Megan will be known as the murdered of roombas from now

[cosmic badge]

Lowkey if someone can type out a summary for me of this devstream so I can talk my brothers ear off about this that would be amazing

[humble sierra]

Yep, Jimmie Yamaguchi

[zenith ore]

Trying to sound cool and mysterious duh. I knew the answer

[humble sierra]

YEEEEEES SHE LICKED THE BLOOD

[pale cedar]

They already give you a summary

[zenith ore]

What did I stumble into

[dark compass]

Her voice sounds familiar

[cosmic badge]

Oh im stupid then I need write things down myself sorry

[dark compass]

Who is she

[waxen pond]

Oh God
What have they done

[humble sierra]

ProtoGaruda not romanceable

[fast dew]

YES

[magic storm]

LOOOOL

[dark compass]

Win

[glacial bough]

Thank God

[fast dew]

YES YES YES WE WON

[strange turtle]

YES

[dark compass]

Geniune win

[waxen pond]

We are getting mogged by the kid we helped give birth to

[fast dew]

WOAG

[humble sierra]

It makes sense because I think this is more Operator aligned

[glacial bough]

Neat

[fast dew]

WE CAN HIRE THEM

[dark compass]

First protoframe wageslave

[strange turtle]

Did anyone elses stream freeze?

[strange plinth]

i was looking for new crewmembers

[brittle siren]

Warframe on call

[waxen pond]

So was the Old Peace and then we got three romanceable protos and polyamory in the same update

[brittle siren]

Wally on call when

[glacial bough]

OH

[magic storm]

Almost choked on lunch with that clip 😄

[fast dew]

ELEANOR

[strange turtle]

Sister of Parvos + Kuva Lich crewmember, Technocyte Coda crew, + one of the protos

[dark compass]

The entire update:

[glacial bough]

OH MY

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-spongebob-ice-cream-truck-spongebon-crashed-spongebob-hold-on-gif-10436656614678318733

[strange turtle]

WHAT HAPPENED

[magic storm]

||Eleanor tongue bonus.||

[dark compass]

Dante feet

[smoky gulch]

Why is Dante Baroing it out

[dark compass]

One winged overguard bot

[fast dew]

IS THAT THE ONE EYED OWL

/ref

[waxen pond]

Why does his face look like a goddamn sphincter

[strange plinth]

'tis the curse of One Central Feature

[fast dew]

Its the one eyed owl smh

[humble sierra]

Yeah but these guys are tied into the Jade Shadows stuff, not something tacked onto the main update

[dark compass]

ONE MORE GRIMOIRE SKIN AND JUST ONE GRIMOIRE LMAOOO

[waxen pond]

The ribbing around doesn't help 😭

[fast dew]

WARFAN

[smoky gulch]

The concentric lines nor feature being deeper into the face DOESN'T help sphincter allegations

[strange plinth]

no they do not, which makes it funnier i think

[dark compass]

It should've been Qorvex

[waxen pond]

Grimoire that is just a terrible romance novel from 1999 when

[dark compass]

Baruuk already has a deluxe :(

[dark compass]

That's what Grimoire is already

[strange plinth]

tennogen skin, someone get on this

[pale cedar]

Oh, so Grimoire?

[waxen pond]

We have several book skins and only 1.5 book weapons

[strange turtle]

Nah, Scholar’s Landing love poetry

[dark compass]

That's a nice batch

I'm stugging in

[waxen pond]

From 1999
Written in nromal language, not evil interdimensional demon Mongolian throat singing

[waxen pond]

Someone get devs on call

[strange plinth]

oh nidus

[dark compass]

NIDUS REWORK

[strange plinth]

something about tech limitations, eh?

[strange turtle]

@rebacca

[dark compass]

That's a lot of stacks

500 stacks Nidus

[waxen pond]

Boy just mutated

[dark compass]

He evolved

https://tenor.com/view/five-hundred-cigarettes-bortus-orville-cigarettes-500-gif-7580742793072271551

[strange plinth]

ig i need to get that last part of his prime now, huh
and the price is about to go up, isn't it.

[fast dew]

-# yeah

[waxen pond]

Evolution only happens across multiple generations
Mutations are more biologically accurate for the same specimen

[dark compass]

I bet people are already panic buying

[dark compass]

Neeeeeeerddddd
Ur right

[glacial bough]

My stocks are up

[waxen pond]

I wear my 🤓 like a badge of honour

[dark compass]

That's not even a retouch

That's just number buffs all over

[dark compass]

I am proud of you

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder if we'll see garuda/ash/nidus primes in resurgence around the time of the update

[dark compass]

More people need to do that

[waxen pond]

[dark compass]

Nidus heirloom next?

[smoky gulch]

Nidus proto

[waxen pond]

"We broke the maggots and don't know when"
Never change, DE

MORE RELIGHTS LET'S GO

[dark compass]

4 new arcanes

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-goku-mad-goku-dbs-dbs-gif-11120329515669448575

Call it, shit primary arcane and an awesome secondary arcane

[strange turtle]

Grineer ship and asteroid tilesets rolling in their graves

[fast dew]

THEYRE FINALLG ALLOWING TO MOVE BACK THE CAMERA

[celest needle]

Guys
What's happening😭

[waxen pond]

Secondary Vertibraturate
+2.4% damage of 360 no scope while airborne for 6 seconds, stacks up to x20
Somehow allows your Stug to deal 10^19 damage per shot

[dark compass]

The extra damage is obviously dealt as a second instance

[strange turtle]

A second Immaculate Conception has been revealed and they have officially announced the employment of the Second Coming at Digital Extremes, starting in 9 months

[brittle siren]

Unrelated but how much is Tennocon pack?

[waxen pond]

MORE BIRTHFRAME

[dark compass]

Birth moreframe

[celest needle]

Pregnancy mini game

[smoky gulch]

That's old news

[waxen pond]

We are getting pregnancy hacking mini-game on a new tileset

[dark compass]

Don't do that with your parazon

[fast dew]

Bad idea

[waxen pond]

That's just caesarean section

[fast dew]

Slash and grab

[smoky gulch]

Make sure your parazon has up-to-date protection before insertion

[brittle siren]

Anyone know this?

[dark compass]

Metal gear rising finisher

https://tenor.com/view/zandatsu-metal-gear-rising-gif-26441392

[wanton burrow]

I have a question about the new protoframes. They're from the future, right? So how are they protoframes?

[fast dew]

HEHE

[waxen pond]

The gatorade spines are so tasty

[dark compass]

Eternalism

[strange turtle]

Mystery

[fast dew]

Proto =/= prototypes

If thats the question

[smoky gulch]

You can just inject a person with weak helminth strain

[fast dew]

And

Im not happy about it either

[wanton burrow]

i mean proto does mean original, no?

[waxen pond]

"Protoframe" is not a term for predecessors or prototypes of warframes
It's just for Albrecht's funny experiment with incomplete process of turning a human into warframe to preserve their identity and full autonomy

[fast dew]

No, not here

[drowsy saddle]

In this case, no

[dark compass]

Nope

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht got sidetracked hard

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, naming hybridform proto- was a goof

[wanton burrow]

i see

[dark compass]

Ohh this means I can actually forma my moa more

[wanton burrow]

thanks chat

[drowsy saddle]

Well it's the form between human and warframe

[waxen pond]

Man is trying to fight god, he needs to do all the sidequests first to cap his levels

[drowsy saddle]

And the overlooming fact that eventually all protos will become their normal forms

[fast dew]

Thats not what the protos are for, he doesn't like making them

[dark compass]

It's protoframe because it's an underdeveloped warframe

[waxen pond]

He's levelling up and setting quests for Operator and Drifter to level up too
Also we get empathy perk upgrades from it

[drowsy saddle]

Needs more time in the oven

[zenith ore]

Thomas are sure wally wasn't in the void to begin with? What if he was the same creature who created the void? When albrecht stepped into the void... He met his other self (wally) standing.

[smoky gulch]

Wait, I had that convo with Quincy where Drifter goes "yeah, if you were to become full frame, you'd already be one, tbh"

[fast dew]

The game is heavily hinting against this

[smoky gulch]

How reliable is Drifter as source on that one?

[zenith ore]

Hmmmmmmm

I'm not sure tbh

[strange plinth]

the void didn't exist until albrecht broke in
wally started existing around the same time

[zenith ore]

Kinda conflicted

[fast dew]

Its. Not one source

[waxen pond]

Roathe believes that
Roathe is not a reliable source, he's confidently speculating

[fast dew]

Several

[fast dew]

Its Albrecht, Sythel, operator report and roathe

[drowsy saddle]

Emphasis on confident

[glacial bough]

It's only Roathe and the fear courtier from Duviri

[strange plinth]

he isn't reliable, but he's also saying one of the most popular theories on the origin of wally

[fast dew]

Its far from him speculating

[zenith ore]

Really? This changes everything I have in mind. Are you surely sure?

[waxen pond]

Albrecht doesn't state this outright and he is not a reliable source either

[pale cedar]

Mother too

[rigid compass]

@fast dew you should interview for becoming an english teacher cause u look way too deep into things.

[waxen pond]

Being confident is not the same as being right

[glacial bough]

Albrecht and Op report don't suggest that

[fast dew]

"Contain this horror i have created" or whatever the line is

[fast dew]

Yes they do lmao

[strange plinth]

like he's working with the same stuff that we are, and came to the same conclusion

[drowsy saddle]

Yes?

[fast dew]

The operator report is the most egregious one

[glacial bough]

Op report specifically said either or doesn't matter

[waxen pond]

Which can be read as either him actually creating it or being responsible for it turnnig out the way it is now
Right now the game is intentionally ambiguous on whather Wally was there from the start or not

[fast dew]

Yeah so what do you think the game is leaning to

With.

Albrecht, Sythel, Roathe and Mother

[zenith ore]

So if there was no void how did albrecht know about it? Or he stumbled upon it. I feel like it was just sitting there until albrecht came and disturbed the whole thing

[fast dew]

Created. As in. I created a horror. A horror that is. Wally

[zenith ore]

Sywho?

[fast dew]

I created horror [wally]

[waxen pond]

That is an intentionally literal reading of a clearly unreliable source
There are, in fact, no reliable sources

[glacial bough]

The game doesn't lean either way. It offers unreliable narrators but doesn't do anything to suggest either are correct

[fast dew]

There's.

No reliable sources if you treat shit like that

Guess half the lore is unreliable

Good lord.

[pale cedar]

Void was a thing beforehand it's stated it was studied from afar

[fast dew]

The game is. Yelling it at you

[waxen pond]

The whole point of Lovecraftian horror is that the horror is not something the human characters can really comprehend
But sure, you can trust humans to comprehand it because they say they did

[zenith ore]

What if albrecht was disoriented and didn't know what he was seeing? Or he just lied through his teeth to um.. Idk? Seem cool and gain sympathy?

[rigid compass]

its actually kinda funny he takes that at face value but everything else he tries to find some other meaning

[fast dew]

Its. Not lovecraftian???

Wally isnt. Lovecraftian

[rigid compass]

he is

[fast dew]

We call him eldritch because he is similar

[zenith ore]

He seems like one but he isnt

[fast dew]

But he isnt actually a lovecraft creature

[dark compass]

"this is very lovecraftian" said the person that never read Lovecraft

[rigid compass]

lovecraftian / eldritch is looking at something and going crazy kinda thing thats basically what happend to albrecht

[dark compass]

Lovecraftian is when black people are dancing and animals that act as screwdrivers for ancient aliens

[fast dew]

Hes not beyond comprehension we can literally see him

[rigid compass]

what?

[dark compass]

Lol

You really should educate yourself or something

[rigid compass]

i mean hes cleary supposed to be somewhat eldritch

[zenith ore]

This whole thing about albrecht coming into the void and instantly formed this godlike being who can travel through time and space doesn't sit right with me. Yes Thomas I know wally is not a god that's why I said godlike

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Oh yeah HP lovecraft was mad racist

[rigid compass]

not tuff sonion

[rigid compass]

yeah ive heard that

[waxen pond]

They are taking Lovecraft's racism and neglecting the actual good parts of his writing that created a genre of horror

[fast dew]

Hes a racist bigot

Why should we gaf about his writing

[strange plinth]

-# 'The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.
-# Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.
-# Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.
-# Parameter confirmed. The Tenno is the Chosen Operator. We await the correct moment to activate the Kalymos Sequence.

Sythel: "The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started."

Mother: (scoffs) "I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life?"
the stuff i can think of

[zenith ore]

his stories are masterpiece though

[fast dew]

Masterpieces laced with blatant racism

[waxen pond]

Because even racist bigots can sometimes write something of value

[dark compass]

I just point out how completely surface level and uneducated anything Worm says is

[fast dew]

No, not really

I think anything a racist makes sucks when it includes their bigotry

Cant separate art from the artist if the art is about their beliefs

[ocean geyser]

At least he unracist’ed himself later on
Unfortunately he didn’t make any books during that time so nobody but his close friends knew that 💀

[rigid compass]

holy hell u realize by that logic means 99% of human literature/arts should be ignored

[zenith ore]

Just bc you don't love someone, or someone is a bad person does not mean his absolute masterpiece of stories should be bad or ignored

[waxen pond]

How categorically you judge people
You know, how do you even play Warframe and
Oh, right, you take everything at face value
you probably want to shoot Roathe because he's Orokin and ignored every point he made about Orokin society

[dark compass]

Survivorship bias kind of at play here

[ocean geyser]

I wonder what inspires a person to name their cat…. Something like that

[celest needle]

Devstream opinions?

[fast dew]

I hate roathe cuz hes also a raging bigot lmao

[waxen pond]

Not being taught better

[fast dew]

Dont make excuses for him.

He was a grown ass man

[rigid compass]

very interesting(havent watched it yet)

[dark compass]

They looked like they were about to shoot themselves in the face and then actively saved it with every single detail

[waxen pond]

You missed the entire point of his character
You missing it is the entire point of my statement about you

[strange plinth]

this seems
off topic

[fast dew]

He doesn't change

Thats the thing

[glacial bough]

It is getting off topic

[fast dew]

He says a slur

[dark compass]

I swear garuda proto looked blue in the trailer

[waxen pond]

You didn't hear him out and surprised he didn't hear you out and thus didn't grow

[zenith ore]

Overall his stories are one of the best out there. YET, he's still a bad person

[fast dew]

And you ignore that

[glacial bough]

The foibles of Lovecraft are irrelevant here

[ocean geyser]

Mfs genuinely trying to tell the lore person that he isn’t lore’ing correctly

[fast dew]

Roathe says a slur. But you ignore that

[humble sierra]

Stylistic choice

[rigid compass]

whos telling who?

[dark compass]

YOU ARE STYLISTIC CHOICE

[rigid compass]

is thomas the lore person?

[dark compass]

I was going to cry

[glacial bough]

Christ Almighty

[strange plinth]

the red lighting impacts it a lot i think
she def looked way more gray in the trailer

[ocean geyser]

Scrap is also a lore person i’d say

[dark compass]

There are no grey people in warframe

[strange plinth]

he's around here quite a lot
one of them, i'd say

[glacial bough]

Nihil

[zenith ore]

Nemesis

[humble sierra]

There's actually two versions of the trailer

[fast dew]

Idc about Roathe's change in the story, he still says a slur

[ocean geyser]

Truee

[humble sierra]

One's a Sirius version, one's an Orion version

[ocean geyser]

Was it the grineer one or

[humble sierra]

That's why they played it twice

[strange plinth]

ballas also looks very gray in certain lighting

[fast dew]

And. If we wanna be like that, there is a completely valid ending where ROATHE DONT CHANGE.

[ocean geyser]

Ah gotcha

[waxen pond]

The lore person who missed the entire point of the character with insane amount of dialogue dropping massive amount of lore bombs

[glacial bough]

That was the particular lighting. Can happen with her darker skin tone

[ocean geyser]

No lmao

[dark compass]

Imagine if they actually wanted her to be Nitohk and course corrected at the last minute

[humble sierra]

Who's the VA for Veena?

[glacial bough]

They didn't say

[humble sierra]

Dang

[ocean geyser]

I feel like you underestimate just how much lore the tism can absorb

[void pelican]

is it normal to not know what the quests are about and what you fight about? wf is too confusing for me

[stiff fable]

not normal, no

[ocean geyser]

It can be a lot at times

[rigid compass]

hes a lore person sure but everyones free to come up with their own ideas. personally some of his takes are bad. only credit ill give him is that he does know a lot of the dialogue/text to reference but his own conjectures suck

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-cat-shaking-cat-alien-cat-gif-17719290639671130907

[stiff fable]

You might be going through it too fast?

[celest needle]

How do they even use eternalism here 😭

[void pelican]

what should i do then

[stiff fable]

stop speedrunning the main story

[rigid compass]

siruis / orion like drifter / operator i think

[waxen pond]

Good argument, I cede my every point

[pale cedar]

Play the quest and find out

[stiff fable]

flip through the codex and quest descriptions

[glacial bough]

For the new update or what?

[humble sierra]

Sirius/Orion

[dark compass]

Anyways bye

[ocean geyser]

Pay more attention and take time to absorb information from the quests

[strange plinth]

how are they accessing it to get to this

[dark compass]

I'm off to play a much better videogame

[celest needle]

But how do they get across the barrier of time and space?

[stiff fable]

Maybe even replay the quests, and take notes on the dialogue?

[glacial bough]

We have a Sirius frame and an Orion frame coming

[humble sierra]

Idk the quest isn't out yet

[dark compass]

(I'm sorry warframe I love you)

[waxen pond]

you know where the door is

[glacial bough]

Void

[rigid compass]

LOL i did NOT do that i went from new war to old peace in a week

[stiff fable]

Quest isn't out but it's going to be the Void

[dark compass]

Huh do i

[strange plinth]

not surprising

[humble sierra]

Most likely just one Warframe

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Ironically you are ignoring dialogue and you are ignoring the completely valid ending where Roathe doesnt actually change

[rigid compass]

had to catch up

[stiff fable]

God

[fast dew]

Roathe says a slur. No matter the ending.

[woven coyote]

It does show yeah

[fast dew]

He will continue to say the slur.

At least daughter changed

[stiff fable]

If DE's making the Sirius/Orion choice important, then how long until the morality system becomes relevant

[dark compass]

Kahl can change anyone

[waxen pond]

I know the ending where he doesn't change is valid
So let me spell it out
He is a terrible person, arrogant, bigoted, spoiled rich brat
The whole point of him is that he is a prodcut of his environment and not ontologically evil
Which applies to all terrible people in real life

[celest needle]

The Roathe controversy is crazy

[humble sierra]

I wouldn't say he doesn't change in the villain ending. There's still growth and progression overall.

[eternal gazelle]

How are the frames goin to be introduced when theres only 1 baby?

[stiff fable]

time travel, literally

[glacial bough]

They said it isn't, not like that

[strange plinth]

yea, and he remains a bad person regardless of your ending
that's the issue

[humble sierra]

They did specify that the choice won't lock any content

[waxen pond]

I swear, I didn't think I'd have to type "No one is purely evil" in a Warframe lore discussion when this is one of the main points of the story, but here we are

[stiff fable]

uhhhh, yeah, I know lol

[glacial bough]

It's two separate future states

[ocean geyser]

Roathe’s endings are just “nefarious” and “less nefarious”

[fast dew]

Idk man i think racists are assholes

Apparently thats a crazy take

[glacial bough]

Just drop it, I swear

[rigid compass]

meh idrc ill probably spend more time on the lore after i get some decent progress done on things like syndicates. its not really worth listening to other people tell u lore cause who knows what headcannon they come up with. yall even say urself to not watch lore vids cause they suck 🤷

[ocean geyser]

Like you can tell that he adopts a more reasonable attitude in the Redeemed ending but
Roathe is still very Roathe

[waxen pond]

I had more thoughtful conversations with AI chatbots
At least they can change their opinion if you argue at them with reason

[fast dew]

Don't woobify that man.

[eternal gazelle]

Oh damn, thought they'd have some void existentialism shenanigans to play into this (or is that the same thing and im just misunderstanding)

[ocean geyser]

What does that even mean 😭

[rigid compass]

argue with no reason and they'll change

[fast dew]

Fandom term

[stiff fable]

It's the same thing in this context

[eternal gazelle]

Ah alr

[void pelican]

is it really that difficult? take notes? really?

[stiff fable]

Stalker has two choices for what to name the baby

[waxen pond]

Only if they are programmed to have no spine at all, it really up to whoever writes their guidelines

[stiff fable]

Note taking isn't because of difficulty, but for helping with pacing!

[strange plinth]

none of them have spines
and why use an ai chatbot anyway

[stiff fable]

And names. Names can be hard.

[rigid compass]

the AUDACITY to give someone homework on a hobby is crazy

[waxen pond]

Mostly to fact-check myself and test internal logic of my rants when I'm not sure if I missed something

[fast dew]

Thats

[humble sierra]

There's two versions of the kid, Sirius is trained by ProtoAsh, Orion is trained by ProtoGaruda, and their futures are very different. They travel back in time to recruit Stalker for whatever is going on there in the future

[fast dew]

A bad idea.

I am. One of the most avid Albrecht defenders

[rigid compass]

I... have... an ... IDEA!!!! IM GONNA ASK CHATGPT TO SUMMARIZE ALL WARFRAME LORE FOR ME

jk

[fast dew]

Do not come at me for viewing characters as black and white

[eternal gazelle]

Is this lore thats new with the update or lore thats already available in the game? (Idk what a protoframe is yet, pls dont tell me, i wanna figure it out with 1999)

[stiff fable]

Anyway, two choices to name the baby, and which one he goes with impacts how the baby grows up. HOWEVER, due to eternalism, Stalker still gave a child the other name, in a different timeline. That timeline is about to BAD END, so they're time traveling to fix it

[rigid compass]

didnt u just make roathe black and white?

[strange plinth]

it was a suggestion lmfao

[stiff fable]

Which will screw over the current timeline

[rigid compass]

devstream

[dark compass]

I'm so hungry

[heady quest]

the question is though.... how in the hell did the corpus manage to have their hands on protoframe helminth serum to make two protoframes???

[rigid compass]

ik ik

[stiff fable]

Alad V isn't a complete moron

[rigid compass]

how did aladv get warframe parts to sell?

[heady quest]

cause their futures is our future no?

[humble sierra]

This was all just mentioned in the devstream for upcoming content. The update will be a direct sequel to Jade Shadows, so finish that quest so you have context, and finish 1999 so you know what a Protoframe is

[glacial bough]

THe corpus didn't?

[stiff fable]

And the serums were apparently just around in places

[eternal gazelle]

Ah alr

[heady quest]

he cuts them up, but helminth strains are quite different though

[stiff fable]

yeah but there were a bunch of them floating around at some point

[woven coyote]

They actually pointed out corpus tech on the two protoframes on stream
So maybe they are thinking of that

[strange plinth]

no?
he said that despite the ending, roathe is still a bad person
that's the issue with his storyline, his redemption doesn't affect anything. his dialogue outside of his chats doesn't change, it fits roathevillain more than roatheredeemed

[rigid compass]

mutualist stuff or something idk

[stiff fable]

You only need to get lucky with an Orokin cache once

[heady quest]

they are supposed to be from future corpus era in our future

[heady quest]

oh shi yeah i completely forgot about the mutalist strain

[stiff fable]

lol I did think that both timelines looked like bad endings

[ocean geyser]

Bro remembers nothing 😭
There’s literally a junction cutscene for unlocking jupiter that shows him with a captured mag that he rips apart

[rigid compass]

well he does get cured of it but maybe its good enough for a new helminth to accept him

[dark compass]

Ash Protoframe son or Garuda Protoframe daughter

[rigid compass]

uh yes i remember that it was a rhetorical question

[heady quest]

yeah but that means he does have some knowledge about the infestation and could then perhaps recreate the helminth strain

[ocean geyser]

Uh huh

[glacial bough]

They're from future yes. DE didn't say anything to imply the Corpus made them

[humble sierra]

Yeah it probably isn't something affected by our choice of Sirius/Orion, I think the future is just messed up regardless, and both come from the future to get Stalker to save their specific futures

[rigid compass]

railjack no gender kid

[fast dew]

No clearly i hate roathe for being orokin

Idfk atp

[humble sierra]

They mentioned future-Corpus stuff for both of their designs

[strange plinth]

careful, they'll take you at face-value

[dark compass]

I hate roathe for not wearing pants

[heady quest]

they literally did.... Reb said that the techy parts on their body was supposed to be future corpus inspired

[fast dew]

Scary...

[rigid compass]

we dont either

[heady quest]

and they also have their own captured corpus ships that they are gonna bring back to our timeline

[ocean geyser]

I think his transformation ate them

[heady quest]

which is gonna be the new railjack missions

[strange plinth]

using corpus tech does not equal being made by the corpus

[waxen pond]

Weird, most people want him to wear even less

[fast dew]

Just. Ignore that i will argue for hours to defend an orokin

[rigid compass]

railjack content 🥹

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/he-ate-them-youtube-thumbnail-fnaf-gif-17172391705264831213

[rigid compass]

ballas was lonely

[ocean geyser]

I mean at least Albrecht is probably not racist

[rigid compass]

free my boy

[rigid compass]

more importantly hes not blue

[fast dew]

Hes the least racist one we've seen, he doesn't care for social barriers

[humble sierra]

Also worth noting that they're from XX99

[fast dew]

Future xx99

[humble sierra]

But the XX is in the future

[heady quest]

that is true... however I would argue that because it looks like it is really embedded into them, that it would suggest they were aligned with corpus

[fast dew]

2099

Cyberpunk style

[humble sierra]

Baseline Warframe is just set in 2013

[rigid compass]

xx is just the devs not wanting to use a specific year and 99 is just cause 1999

[waxen pond]

Surprisingly, no one ever changed their personality overnight. Most people don't really change that much in attitude even if they radically change their views

[fast dew]

And. My dislike for the man is.. not valid?

[rigid compass]

no way the larp is this much

[waxen pond]

If you meet a person who had sudden realization they were a bad person and immediately became an entirely different person, they are either faking it or had some catastrophic mental emergency

[fast dew]

Roathe is still a horrible person, but i don't hate him for being orokin

[placid cypress]

2 videos, someone gotta superanalyse these for lore diffrences

[humble sierra]

💯

[heady quest]

hold on... soulframe devstream first up!

[dark compass]

So they played it twice ON PURPOSE???

[strange plinth]

watch them just be flipped versions of each other lmao

[humble sierra]

I want to superlay them over each other

[dark compass]

Masterful gambit

[fast dew]

People here can confirm ive gone on rants about defending Albrecht

[waxen pond]

Character development takes years and even if your moral values shift, you usually end up sounding the same

[heady quest]

three times XDDDd in the end as well

[placid cypress]

might just play both on each monitor, ill let you guys know

[fast dew]

Albrecht who changed almost immediately after the void incident:

[pale cedar]

You've gone on rants about hating him too

[rigid compass]

mental trauma son

[waxen pond]

We haven't seen much of Albrecht before and after it to judge

[fast dew]

Dont excuse his optional bigotry :p

[fast dew]

We have lmao

[pale cedar]

Thomas is so predictable because he's either hating or supporting Albrecht no in between

[waxen pond]

We only saw two Albrechts: him in clear distress and mental break in his logs about first encounter with Wally, and the cold calculating Dcotor Friday in Hollvania

[fast dew]

That

No.

No not at all

We've seen fatherly Albrecht, we've seen teacher Albrecht

We've seen far more than that.

[placid cypress]

SIRIUS has JP subtitles

[waxen pond]

Not directly

[fast dew]

Drifter actually directly experienced it

[waxen pond]

From other people's accounts, mostly
Ok, I did forget to count him in his last message to Loid

[fast dew]

Albrecht changed very quickly.

He was different from the start yes

[ocean geyser]

Other people’s accounts are still accounts, yk

[waxen pond]

He also had a catastrophic mental emergency I mentioned as a factor

[fast dew]

But his change was quick.

[dark compass]

Duviri as a whole

[fast dew]

Uh. No, he didn't. Outside him maybe trying to kill himself

And thats a big maybe

[twilit sonnet]

How do I check ||what name I picked at the end of Jade Shadows?||

[rigid compass]

yeah im sure when u deal with an eldritch abomination trying to come to ur solar system you would prob switch up very quickly and try stop it

[waxen pond]

ARE YOU SAYING BEING DRIVEN TO A SUICIDE ATTEMPT IS NOT A MENTAL TRAUMA OF HIGHEST ORDER

[rigid compass]

thats the neat thing

[fast dew]

The suicide isnt confirmed lol

[ocean geyser]

Remembering
Although it’s possible that the one you chose will show up first

[fast dew]

Most people do not actually even realise it might’ve been one

[waxen pond]

He was an immortal who decided to give up on immortality for a time, that is essentially suicide

[fast dew]

Do you know where that comes up?

[fast dew]

No, actually.

The theory is that it was an active attempt.

But thats a theory.

[strange plinth]

roathe's character development is no faster than any of the other protos, i don't think its a big expectation to have him Not Say Slurs Anymore if you redeem him, which is the biggest point towards him still being a bad person instead of just rude

[fast dew]

And saying something is "essentially suicide" doesn't mean it is

[humble sierra]

Does he say slurs after his ending?

[waxen pond]

Can you stop pedantically pivoting away from the fact that even considering suicide is already a sign of someone being mentally unwell to the highest degree possible?

[fast dew]

It wasnt a consideration

Oh my god. Im saying that its a possible interpretation

That had never been confirmed

[ocean geyser]

He isn’t you goofy ass 💀
The argument is that Albrecht probably didn’t try to kill himself, mot that he isn’t mentally unwell

[waxen pond]

He stopped taking Kuva
That is taking a decision from continuing to live forever to an eventual death
Effectively suicide

[fast dew]

As in. He mightve never contemplated it at all

[ocean geyser]

Albrecht is VERY obviously mentally unwell, nobody said otherwise

[fast dew]

Albrecht is very mentally screwed yeah

[waxen pond]

Which is what I was saying?

[fast dew]

But hasnt had a mental break

[strange plinth]

yea he still calls the grineer 'vat rats' in descendia dialogue iirc
which can absolutely change based on which ending you have, considering he has a unique line for the first 21 runs

[fast dew]

Those are two different things

[pale cedar]

Jumping into the Void after saying you pay in your own blood is basically saying

“I'm going to die”

[ocean geyser]

My point is that nobody was denying that??

[rigid compass]

could be a temporary thing since i think kuva is void based(someone said that idk who though) its possible he stopped taking kuva the same reason he went to 1999 is to avoid void stuff

[waxen pond]

Listen to his logs about first encounter with Wally and tell me this man wasn't losing his marbles in real time

[fast dew]

Listen to his recounting of the events past it

Thats just trauma. Not a mental break.

[waxen pond]

The way it sounds is that he got better with Loid's help and then decided to fight Wally

[fast dew]

I assure you thats not what you're seeing in the requiem logs

[ocean geyser]

I feel like you may have differing definitions on what a mental break is

[fast dew]

You're seeing a man recount his trauma

[waxen pond]

Yeah, the man just was so traumatised he chose to wait to die until his lover helped him crawl out of depression

[queen shale]

Someone tell stalker to get his kid, hes aura farming

[fast dew]

Id hope mine is correct based on where I exist

[strange plinth]

"And so it is that I will not take the Kuva now. Or ever again. This is the last skin I'm in. Because of this idea: That I cannot be sure. That in all that smoked commotion, in all that panic and fear, in that bending light and blinding dark... was it I who escaped? Or the other?"
the reason he stopped taking kuva

[waxen pond]

No, no, the kid is getting him

[ocean geyser]

Technically kids, even

[fast dew]

That

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-running-past-gif-3044631603201692058

[pale cedar]

“Got better with Loid's help”

Proceeds to try to commit suicide

[fast dew]

Never happened what

[rigid compass]

so did he stop to die or stop to avoid void

[fast dew]

Even if you think the entrance to duviri was a suicide attempt, Loid didn't help with shit

[rigid compass]

whos the other? eternalism albrecht or wally?

[placid cypress]

Just watched both, there appears to be no differneces other than:

• SIRIUS has JP subtitles
• ORION showed video and channel reccomendations at the end

[fast dew]

It was.

Shockingly, himself who pulled himself out of it

[waxen pond]

He stopped taking Kuva
According to his own records
He is not going to die so long as he takes Kuva
He will eventually die if he stops Continuity
That is, by Orokin standards, suicide with delay

[fast dew]

Over. The feelings of his daughter

[ocean geyser]

Sirius is Japanese real

[fast dew]

And. That's not a suicide im gonna be fr

[placid cypress]

they both look so fkn cool

[fast dew]

Dying by natural causes is not a suicide 😭

[zenith ore]

@fast dew IF that is, IF I wanted to write a book about a story that's a little similar to warframes. Would you like to help me a little? Maybe give me some idea here and there? Not now maybe later

[waxen pond]

That is going against his own continued survival

[strange plinth]

wally
'i cannot be sure if i escaped, or if it was "that man, trapped in the wall", so i will ensure that neither of us can survive. i will not prolong my life any further'

[waxen pond]

Which is, by definition, suicide

[fast dew]

I. I need you to pull up the definition of suicide

[west oasis]

Albrecht has been everywhere throughout time at this point his going into possible futures now

[ocean geyser]

Once again there’s like
So many examples of characters across various media giving up their immortality
A grand total 0 people consider that suicide

[waxen pond]

It is when death from natural causes is not a factor for you so long as you are taking your meds

[dark compass]

The tales of Divuri

[zenith ore]

Not quite

[waxen pond]

But clearly some of us aren't even trying to empathise with characters

[waxen pond]

Yeah, and most writers don't really think what immortality means

[fast dew]

You are. Saying that to the wrong person regarding Albrecht

The orokin could always die

By the way

[ocean geyser]

Im not sure if this happens in the original version but live action Aladdin has the genie be mortal after being freed
Bro’s got a wife and kids and everything
Did the genie commit suicide by doing so?? 😭

[fast dew]

They're only what folk would say as functionally immortal

[strange plinth]

continuity was always an active choice they made

[fast dew]

Even then, it has its limit

[waxen pond]

Only if something goes very wrong
n their society, complete death to them could only be by terrible mistake of Jade Light as highest punishment

[strange plinth]

they could not make that choice and die whenever
that is something we get from roathe's chats

[fast dew]

No

No lmao they could've just chosen not to

[zenith ore]

No? Welp, aight. @pale cedar May I ask for your help later? If you want ofc that is.

[pale cedar]

Orokin were going to die eventually anyway with the heat death of the Origin System

[fast dew]

They actually have a seperate thing for those who dont do continuity

[waxen pond]

The Orokin wanted to figure out interstellar travel because most of them expected to live long enough for the Sun to die

[dark compass]

We are going back in time to the first frame birthing to get Stalker off the menu

[pale cedar]

Sure

[waxen pond]

And how many of them did, on record?

[dark compass]

That's right

[zenith ore]

Thanks! I'll keep this in mind.

[clever linden]

So

[fast dew]

We have whole cryoleums

They have a name. Thats not a one and done thing.

[clever linden]

Are yall crazy for thinking Garuda and Nitokh were connected??

[strange turtle]

No, the highest ones did, and it was ultimately a concern of their civilisation, which they at least needed to pretend to care about maintaining

[clever linden]

Cus I never got why ppl thought that anyways

[zenith ore]

People are already crazy

[strange turtle]

It also, wasn’t an immediate concern for them

[ocean geyser]

The game probably doesn’t say how manh bodies are in cryoleums but they have enough in there to be named

[fast dew]

We also learn that Albrecht's kids and wife died

[clever linden]

Didn’t disagree but…i didn’t understand why that connection was made

[fast dew]

Because. Yeah. He had more than one apparently

[strange turtle]

They were fine to take their time expanding until Origin became too much of a mess

[ocean geyser]

Nitokh is violent and bloody, and her staff looks like one of Garuda’s abilities

[queen shale]

WHY DOES ORION/SIRIUS REMIND ME OF
JACK/BEC NOIR!??!?

[west oasis]

What exactly is he looking for? Why does he keep creating these protoframes individually the groups purposes make sense the hex is to complete the sequence the roundtable is to stablize the timeline and ensure some key things happen during the tenno revolt. The devil triad is to see if an orokin can be saved and guide the tenno to get lost artifacts from the void

[clever linden]

So he’s bisexual

[waxen pond]

Yeah, surprisingly, no amount of despotic decadence can alleviate boredom forever and some of them were growing so numb to everything they chose death

[clever linden]

That’s it?? She could have stolen her staff

[queen shale]

https://tenor.com/view/noxy-noxycord-homestuck-collide-bec-noir-gif-5925061351238760918

[strange turtle]

Likely gay and forced into it

[fast dew]

Thats not what happened

[fast dew]

He was forced into it

[strange turtle]

Potentially bi/pan though

[strange plinth]

the top of her staff and garuda's blood altar icon are similar
one is the queen of gore, the other the queen of blood
they're all super vague connections

[clever linden]

I thought Orokin do whatever they want

[west oasis]

Because she's violent, baths in blood and is a unhinged woman

[placid cypress]

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE DESCRIPTIONS

SIRIUS
"The fiercest strike is the one unseen. I was not looking for an apprentice when I found the boy. It was a sign: to secure the future, one final death will pay for all." - RYOKU

ORION
"What kind of sick mongrel denies their own blood? I am joined to him in glorious bloodshed, we pulse from the same vein. We'll drown cold revenge in a hot rain of fury and dance with their corpses." - VENA

[fast dew]

Euleria was literally just the product of ideal genetics

[clever linden]

Idk all warframes seem unhinged to me

[fast dew]

Thats the only reason they had a kid

[strange turtle]

The Executors, yes. The rest, only with lower castes, so long as another with more influence or higher status didn’t intervene

[placid cypress]

THIS IS LORE

[fast dew]

Ideal genetic offspring

[west oasis]

Almost everyone is bi in warframe at this point

[clever linden]

Just so i understand this right…these two are the new Warframes we can play as…right?

[waxen pond]

Why do I keep arguing with people who have no intention of even considering if they might be wrong on anything

[fast dew]

Why are you not listening

The orokin can just die

Thats something they can do

[strange plinth]

Ryoku and Vena are the Ash and Garuda Protos
Sirius/Orion seem to be the same warframe, just under different circumstances

[fast dew]

That they choose to do, that can happen to them

[strange plinth]

you seem to be doing the same

[clever linden]

But can we use them or are they just Warframe characters like stalker?

[strange turtle]

The marriage was hoisted on him to try and get him to settle down.

He seemingly had no love for the wife, to the point that he didn’t join his daughter in mourning when she died

[clever linden]

Not the protoframes, I meant Sirius and Orion

[placid cypress]

i hope we get them as different warframes otherwise its Equinox 2

[strange plinth]

unsure, i think they'll be a new usable frame? but maybe not immediately?
i'll have to rewatch that segment

[queen shale]

Does anyone else get the same vibes?

[waxen pond]

I kinda gave up on hearing them out after the whole "being racist means you automatically is incapable of anything good" point tbh

The rest was inertia

[west oasis]

So they're both unhinged and are very attached to a sibling

[strange plinth]

why even continue arguing, just leave then

[dark compass]

Holy shit I'm not the only one

[clever linden]

Not lying tho

[waxen pond]

Inertia

[fast dew]

Have you ever seen roathe do anything good

[queen shale]

RIGHT!? SERIOUS BEC/JACK BULLSHIT

[west oasis]

It seems to be different warframes but I notice at times they look very different during some shots

[fast dew]

Name one good thing that man did

[dark compass]

They were doing Homestuck ever since Whispers in the walls, it all led to this moment

[waxen pond]

Yes, he shared cakes with Lyon and Marie

[fast dew]

What, protect the entrati and damning Loid in the process?

[fast dew]

And who did he steal them from?

[placid cypress]

Sirius is an angel while Orion is a devil

[west oasis]

Helping fix the relationship between loid and family was good

[waxen pond]

The good deed does not wash away the bad, and the bad does not cancel out the good

[fast dew]

And risk Loid's life?

[queen shale]

We need more homestuck mechanics (we already have time traveling DMS via KIM)

[fast dew]

Loid is a squishy human.

Who can get infested.

[waxen pond]

He could steal the cakes and eat them himself
He chose to share them

[fast dew]

And you'll never believe what is up in the necralisk

[ocean geyser]

Oh so that’s where the “Roathe stole 40 cakes” meme is from

[dark compass]

I can't wait to read the ending of Warframe written by Wally

[west oasis]

They all prepped for this though

[waxen pond]

But you decided that Roathe is ontologically evil and missed the entire purpose of him existing in the narrative that even the Orokin were not ontologically evil

[fast dew]

How? Did you see any form of protection on loid?

[fast dew]

Brother i hate bigots

Im gonna hate roathe for being a bigot

[waxen pond]

You misgendred me
Bigot

[fast dew]

That shouldn't be a bigot

[waxen pond]

See, I can be categorical too

[fast dew]

Brother. As in bro.

The gender neutral usage.

[placid cypress]

"One final death"...
"We'll drown in cold revenge"....

WAHT DOES THIS MEAN DE

[fast dew]

Used in slang terminology

[waxen pond]

Oh, so now you are misgendering a transgirl on puspose
Literally evil

[west oasis]

Nope but they definitely after all the talk of loid being afraid he was going to be skinned alive and roathe ensuring it

[strange plinth]

this is going nowhere with either of you

[placid cypress]

gotta be satire

[dark compass]

God

This is so stupid

[fast dew]

How are.

How are you expecting people to know you're trans?

[waxen pond]

It's just me showing them their logic in absurd maximum

[fast dew]

Look at your bio.

There's. Nothing there

[placid cypress]

both of u get out of this channel and argue somewhere else

[dark compass]

"it's just me showing their logic if they were unreasonable"

[west oasis]

The thing is roathe was raised in a bigoted society hell in a bigoted solar system he can grow from it

[dark compass]

I don't know

[waxen pond]

I expect to not be referred to by male terms after pointing out they are incorrect to me

[fast dew]

But my issue is that roathe doesn't

And until he does, I do not like him

[fast dew]

Which. I do

[waxen pond]

You insist on using them
That's called bigotry
That makes you someone you claim to hate

[placid cypress]

no need for such language

[dark compass]

This mucking sucks, I'm going to continue talking about homestuck with someone else and playing guild wars 2

[placid cypress]

fna get a mod in here

[dark compass]

Bye

[waxen pond]

What language?

[fast dew]

Good lord im not dealing with people like you.

[west oasis]

He definitely does if you approach properly he has some good talks on how so society shapes morality he isn't an intolerable racist who shits on everything different from him

[waxen pond]

So you don't like your own logic to be applied to you

[fast dew]

He. Says a slur no matter the ending.

[waxen pond]

He already dismissed it

[fast dew]

Until he stops saying it, i will not like him

[west oasis]

What slur?

[fast dew]

I can acknowledge he has grown, yes

[placid cypress]

bro @waxen pond @fast dew pls get out and argue somewhere else thi sis a lore channel

[fast dew]

Vatrat, one daughter also says, its a derogatory term used against grineer, who. Happen to be slaves

[tacit axle]

hi, is this a lore channel?

[north skiff]

So in the animation stalker's kids are the one that look like mechs right?

[waxen pond]

And we are arguing about the lore
Can the Orokin ever be forgiven
We are fundamentally in disagrement on that one

[west oasis]

Technically roathe politics is lore

[fast dew]

I also do not like daughter for the same reason

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/community-gif-23728528

[fast dew]

But she does change

And I can give her that

[placid cypress]

true but not these clowns

[strange turtle]

Their issue is because Roathe says it after he has supposed to start growing, and has already grown to respect and acknowledge Grineer

[keen rapids]

Why are kuva lich lines so sus and wierd

[blissful merlin]

“You guys excited for the new upd-“

[waxen pond]

Have you heard the Worm Queen?

[fast dew]

Weirdly this happens to lorechat at least once a month

I am. mostly uninvolved for it

But it does happen

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/community-gif-23728528

[blissful merlin]

It’s very random most times I’ve noticed lmao

[waxen pond]

Clearly being freaky is just Grineer high ranks talk
Tyl also does that

[lilac aspen]

Oh someone already posted this gif

[fast dew]

Usually around devstream tbh

Or. Holidays

[blissful merlin]

I guess that makes sense…more “traffic”

[fast dew]

Mhm

You see folk who you've never met in your life

And then 5 days later they leave

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-grandpa-hat-leaving-gif-4991453

[fast dew]

Never to be seen again

[west oasis]

Fair but I feel like it's already baked into his vocabulary maybe in future updates if he ever meets khal he would be better like how daughter slowly starts to like kahl

[blissful merlin]

Yep😭

[strange turtle]

It’s an understandable slip for an IRL person, but with a character whose supposed to have went through most of the development, and who potentially won’t get further characterisation or development for years, it’s not a good look for them to still be doing that sort of thing

[west oasis]

You gotta understand in a bigoted society even your everyday vocabulary is corrupted and slurs are seen as normal @fast dew

[fast dew]

Yeah, and i can acknowledge that, but that doesn't mean i cannot dislike the man

Two things can be true

I don't see many redeeming factors roathe has currently

But if he was to change, my opinion would change with it

[strange plinth]

roathe's redemption is a "potential man"

[waxen pond]

The person who aksed to name one good thing Roathe ever did and immediately dismissed it when it was named a second later

[fast dew]

He stole from people

[waxen pond]

And he shared with people he claimed to have hated

Those are two independent acts

[west oasis]

Fairs yk st first I thought I would hate roathe and was slightly afraid how the warframe community would view it but ngl this man has some amazing introspection on morality and society standards

[fast dew]

Those goods could've been sold, and that money could've made a lot of difference for others

It was a bakery in probably 1899

Not like its a huge corporation that can take those losses

[dark compass]

give me gulphagor
give me hellfire
give me compelling character arc
or i retire

[lilac aspen]

”With this Void I summon DRIFTEEEER, HELP! HELP! SAVE ME DRIFTER!”

[waxen pond]

Those goods were gifted to the people he had no reason to like

[fast dew]

Like sure

[waxen pond]

Was it bad that he stole them? Yes

[strange turtle]

Apply it to IRL. You’re watching a show, and there’s a racist character who’s against a oppressed/mistreated race.

After seasons of development and an arc with a character of that race, they’re chill with that character, supposed to be a changed person who’s had their growth. And then they call another random person of that race a slur, completely unapologetically, and the season ends on that.

[fast dew]

I can acknowledge that, but I feel as if him stealing it was worse

[waxen pond]

Was it a good deed of him to share them when he had no reason to? Also yes

[fast dew]

His unneeded action could have harmed others

Yes it was selfless to share, but it was selfish to steal

[waxen pond]

You asked for one good deed
Not for his moral net worth

[west oasis]

Its highly likely the Lyon or Marie paid for the things he stole or roathe was "stealing"(lyon treating him like stray cat and leaving food out for him) from the church

[strange turtle]

It’s talking about the pastries he stole from a random bakery in town

[fast dew]

I think them using the church fund is worse 😭

[waxen pond]

The fact he is capable of kindness, even if it's a grain of sand in his shittiness, is the point
His empathy for his lost troops is another example

[fast dew]

Thats not what that is supposed to be used for

[strange turtle]

Marie and Lyon wouldn’t have been leaving at the time, either

[west oasis]

I mean church funds suppose to help the poor and needy roathe is quite needy

[fast dew]

Troops he sent to death himself! He feels bad for it, and he wants to change, but until I see that change, I will not like him!

He has potential, inexcusably so

[west oasis]

Roathe probably scared the living hell out of a Victorian Era child

[waxen pond]

Every officer in history of warfare sent their troops to death

[fast dew]

Yeah I also hate war actually

I hate war, I hate the generals

[waxen pond]

I'm sure a lot of those officers hated war too

Plenty of people who died armed because they wanted wars to not happen

[fast dew]

Notice how I didnt say the soldiers? The General. the. Ones who historically like to propagate war?

[waxen pond]

And I said officers