lore-discussion

[zenith ore]

What the

Why is the chat dead

[glacial bough]

Brother you just messaged

[radiant pier]

cuz Thomas is in another land

[fleet furnace]

wallys after the origin system, deimos and the zariman are the points where hes trying to break through afaik

[zenith ore]

Aight

[zenith ore]

Can time be disturbed by the void? Is this how albrecht went to ||1999||? Void jumping? Wormhole? Such such

[pale cedar]

@fast dew get out of the other land

[radiant pier]

he's literally dead

I am now also dead goodbye

[fast dew]

Huh

[zenith ore]

Shit a zombie

[radiant pier]

WHY ARE YOU AWAKE

GO TO SLEEP

[fast dew]

Im drawing yuri

[zenith ore]

Tf

[pale cedar]

Thomas doesn't sleep

[radiant pier]

NOT EVEN MY AUSTRALIAN EX IS UP AT 4- oh

[zenith ore]

I want sum

[fast dew]

4am shenanigans

[radiant pier]

carry on then

[fast dew]

Tragic yuri

[radiant pier]

and send it to me once you're do-

[zenith ore]

I'm out

[radiant pier]

don't send it to me once you're done

[fast dew]

Balls

💔

[zenith ore]

Bliss

[fast dew]

Also, yes
And no, if wally was after the heart, we would've seen more direct attacks

[pale cedar]

Conflicting orders means must do both

[radiant pier]

you gotta admit this chat is funny as hell sometimes

[fast dew]

It is

Until someone weird comes along and nukes everything

[pale cedar]

Weird

[radiant pier]

united by Yuri

[queen shale]

the corpus went "we hate the orokin so we made capitalism" and its lowkey kinda lame
Despite the fact that it would be the faction I'd join since my life really wouldnt change that much. (Considering I'm American)

[zenith ore]

Would you rather to join the grineer instead

[radiant pier]

you wanna be an intense wage slave wasting your entire life with a system that's made in such a way that forces you to pay ludicrous amounts for made-up "promises" with the fantasy that you're able to pay it off with time and effort as the system itself makes it very apparent you're never gonna pay it off ever as the rising costs never take into account your inc-

[zenith ore]

@fast dew

[radiant pier]

oh you're American

[pale cedar]

Everyone in Lore discussion regularly is the same but different

[zenith ore]

I get it

[queen shale]

Already doing that

[zenith ore]

Them fans man💔 can't leave me alone

[radiant pier]

yeah I figured

[radiant pier]

imma KILL YOU

[pale cedar]

I'd just join the Tenno and help rob the Corpus

[radiant pier]

firebomb a Corpus vessel(Walmart)

[pale cedar]

Relays are just space malls

[zenith ore]

I'd rather die than live in that universe 💔

[radiant pier]

where's my space jollibee

[pale cedar]

Why?
Are you leaving out the detail you work for Corpus or something?

[zenith ore]

Who? Me? Nah you got the wrong person

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[queen shale]

Tbh I see relays more like town squares/Community centers/etc.
More of a business hub with community services like syndicates and simaris

[zenith ore]

Last ep was kinda buns

[woven coyote]

Not just capitalism
Capitalism plus pyramid scheme, with obvious pyramids everywhere in their icons

[zenith ore]

That's a cool thought

It makes sense as well

[queen shale]

Isnt capitalism just a massive pyramid scheme anyway

It ain't called the 1% for nothing

[radiant pier]

why is my space jollibee

[woven coyote]

The business hub thing also got more tracktion since they started putting solaris and cetus people in relays and not just syndicate crew

[radiant pier]

where*

actually no why is perfect

why is my space jollibee

[stiff fable]

who is my space jollibee

[zenith ore]

🤓

[woven coyote]

Technically different as far as i know

Tho of course the version humanity steered itself to is basically it yeah

[peak panther]

kinda funny to think the original Voruna might still be out there somewhere protecting a lone Tenno.

[zenith ore]

What if we just met the rest of the tennos In one place... I curious about them for some reason

[stiff fable]

Every time you play a mission you're meeting the other tenno

[peak panther]

technically mutliplayer when it happens is our tenno meeting others.^

[zenith ore]

It feels more like a game mechanic than actually meeting them, but aight that's good to know

[zenith ore]

Plot twist, I never play online

[peak panther]

but surely some Tenno chose to humbly retire from the stressful life of hero and mercenary. I wonder what planet Voruna fled to with the Tenno she saved since I doubt shed leave orbit if she was just gonna bring them to the Lotus if we go that route. and as we know without the sleep Tenno age like everyone else of Orokin descent.

just still ludicrusly slow XD

[stiff fable]

We know the Operator wasn't the first Tenno to return

Many Tenno were actually active before

Voruna might have ended up as the first

[zenith ore]

When we first met the tenno, or ourselve. Were there more tennos in the other ummm... cryopods?

[stiff fable]

In defense missions? Or during the Second Dream?

The defense mission targets are Warframe cryopods

leftover from a much earlier version of the game

Ah wait you mean the Reservoir

Yes they were full

And in fact there were many many more of the pods

You can see during the Erra quest that there were hundreds

[peak panther]

Hunhow genuinely just wanted ourTenno dead in particular which I find funny but after old peace, Id consider us the biggest threat too.

[pale cedar]

Someone counted the pods and it amounted to like 300-400

[peak panther]

and thats just the ones that are visible, based off how ours is opened, the others probably have a similiar mechanism for bringing them to the front.

[zenith ore]

Terribly sorry I'm working rn. Yes I mean the reservoir

[zenith ore]

Wut

[zenith ore]

Wut

[pale cedar]

Old War Cinematic

[zenith ore]

And they're pretty much alive?

[peak panther]

an on demand army of planet destroying psionics. just sleeping there, really puts it in perspective, I hope one day we get more of the rogue frames that are simply MIA and not oh they got off screened by stalker and co. its nice the few quests we get that make us ask questions of who is using that or was it a Frame before tenno bonded to it and put it at ease? ya know.

[pale cedar]

There's no evidence that there are actually rogue Tenno

[stiff fable]

There are confirmed to be several hundred thousand active Tenno iirc

[pale cedar]

There isn't

[zenith ore]

Th I thought there was only about 30ish something tennos across the origin

[pale cedar]

DE prefer ignoring the topic entirely

[pale cedar]

Nothing says that

[zenith ore]

If you think about it it kinda ruins the lore, for me at least

[stiff fable]

Ah excuse me I added an extra zero

The number of Tenno is equal to the number of active players

That averages about 50k

During the leadup to Fortuna, Business got help from about that number of Tenno

he had voicelines about it

So that's the baseline

[zenith ore]

The scene of lotus when she comes with the tennos to her brother. I just speculate ik it isn't true but I love making my own lore. Force of habit ig

[pale cedar]

Nothing says or implies that though plus the only mention of Zariman numbers was we were selected out of billions

[stiff fable]

From Gargoyle's Cry, we know that dojos are canon, and fish references clans with thousands of members

You would agree that a Vigile Jahu Gargoyle installed within each Tenno Dojo is the obvious solution. Not a whisper could be uttered in the System without the connected Dojos overhearing it first. Your compliance is appreciated. The Jahu Gargoyle awaits you within your Dojo – simply place it as a decoration. The enemy does not hesitate. We must do no less. - Fibonacci

Thank you. All of you, from those clans numbering but one, to the mighty coalitions encompassing thousands.

[zenith ore]

That's why I said I just speculate Mr Sherlock

[pale cedar]

I was replying to Captain lol

[zenith ore]

Dang

[pale cedar]

Saying the playerbase is how many Tenno there is makes no sense as we were never given anything suggesting it

Saying thousands while true doesn't say any exact numbers

It could be in theory be any number with k at the end

[zenith ore]

Don't the corpus or whatever the frs called believe that the tennos are just a myth? I need to stop pulling info out of my ash

[pale cedar]

To much of the system we are a myth because we're a strike unit and go in do task and exit

[stiff fable]

It's a rough estimate, but it roughly corresponds to the number of Tenno that helped the Business during the ARG

[zenith ore]

So it's true? I need to pull more info then

[pale cedar]

Thousands is as much as we can get from it not how many thousands though

[stiff fable]

Great work over the weekend, Outworlders.
You’ve helped us reach 50,000 members.
I have new intel for you.
Unfortunately, the Corpus have encrypted the file.
Outworlders, work together to help me break the encryption.
Share the final message with me using #LiftTogether.

50k minimum

[pale cedar]

It's basically like imagine you're a regular person and someone tells you there's a group killing people who isn't often caught would you automatically believe it

[zenith ore]

If there's nothing else to believe in then ummm yes?

[stiff fable]

Nah, there's an active war on between the big factions

Like, to be clear, the Tenno aren't fighting the full power of the Corpus or Grineer

We're pushing them to fight each other

[zenith ore]

Oh right now that makes more sense

Wait a min do every tenno have their own teshin?

[stiff fable]

nah same Teshin

He's like the Lotus where he tries to help everyone, but he has a special connection with one Tenno in particular

[zenith ore]

That is

[pale cedar]

Every Tenno would have their own version of Ordis

[zenith ore]

Someone asked this question before but where tf were the other tennos during the new war? As far as I know we carried the whole stuff alone

[stiff fable]

off-screen hiding

remember how I mentioned we're not fighting the main Corpus and Grineer?

[zenith ore]

Cowards

[stiff fable]

We really can't fight both of them+the Sentients+all our old friends at the same time

nah, it's a great way to make sure Narmer doesn't also get Tenno and Warframes

[zenith ore]

How come we are so special? Or it's just a game thing

[zenith ore]

Hmmm. Aight makes sense

[ashen pulsar]

void magic

[stiff fable]

Mostly just a game thing

[zenith ore]

No not like that I mean our tenno

Main character

[stiff fable]

The player is not the only Tenno with a Railjack, with the Tenno artifacts, etc

But they're the only Tenno that has to acquire them on-screen

[zenith ore]

How about the lotus can they change her look as well

[stiff fable]

Technically the Tenno isn't doing that, the Lotus is doing that

[ashen pulsar]

the other players in your missions are tenno, but to every player their tenno is the chosen one

[zenith ore]

Seems she likes to fashion as well

[stiff fable]

but you can also imagine that you're customizing how she appears on your V-chats

[zenith ore]

So it is a game mechanic or a game thing

[stiff fable]

Not changing her, just how your screen shows her

[zenith ore]

I get what you mean

[pale cedar]

Kahl also likes to fashion

[ashen pulsar]

just think of other players as “random background characters” to your tenno

[zenith ore]

Does my tenno has a god complex or sum? Jk

[zenith ore]

How could I forget

[tall echo]

yes

[pale cedar]

There’s also no strongest Tenno like many try to suggest there is

[tall echo]

well there are tenno with nidri

[zenith ore]

With what

[stiff fable]

the staff lol

[tall echo]

nidri

[zenith ore]

Rell? He was holding the indifference all this time, doesn't make him the strongest but still a feat

[zenith ore]

Mb I'm bad with remembering names

[pale cedar]

It doesn’t say he is actually the strongest as in theory we could’ve done the exact same thing

[zenith ore]

Perhaps

[strange turtle]

They already had capitalism, the Corpus somehow invented something far worse, far more sinister. So depraved and vile and insidious that I barely even dare to mention it here

||Pyramid Schemes||

[restive river]

Rell was the “strongest” in the realm of whatever it took to hold down Wally
Meanwhile the rest of the Tenno learned the focus schools, got amps, learned tauron strikes, had access to entire arsenals

Basically, he wasn’t the strongest in pure strength, maybe to a degree in willpower, really whatever he used for those hundreds of years to keep Wally down

[zenith ore]

His story is sad yet prideful

How old are the tennos anyway? Do they even age?

[restive river]

Idk if it’s prideful, he didn’t do it for any other reason than he saw what Wally was

[zenith ore]

Idk guess it's just me

[restive river]

They’re teenagers and yes they can age but they have not physically aged in the past hundreds of years due to cryosleep

Due to the dream they were still conscious in the frames

[zenith ore]

Ah

[restive river]

Til our big nap for a thousand years lol

[zenith ore]

Xd

So the drifter...

He wasn't very lucky to get a cryopod

[restive river]

Drifter stopped aging after a point due to the time loop

[zenith ore]

Immortal?

[restive river]

Drifter was left behind as per the deal, no powers, just trauma in the void
Then boom
Duviri
It was nice for a while til Drifter grew up and wanted to live
Then Thrax established the loop

[restive river]

Have you seen groundhog day?

[zenith ore]

Wut

[restive river]

It’s a movie lol

[zenith ore]

Ion think so

[restive river]

So functionally, Drifter was kinda immortal
Sure
But that’s due to them being in a time loop and Thrax not wanting them to die

Outside of the loop, not immortal

[zenith ore]

U predicted my question

[restive river]

Drifter basically got the cryopod treatment but their cryopod was all of Duviri and they were conscious throughout all of it, no dreaming of being a frame, no thousand year nap

[zenith ore]

My god every time I think about the lore it just keeps going in circles I my mind

[restive river]

Warframe lore is wild and amazing lol

[zenith ore]

A cryopod filled with trauma

[restive river]

Yup!

[zenith ore]

Indeed it is

And to think this is a free game

[restive river]

Drifter was in there so long they became entirely apathetic and forgot near everything

DE cooks

[woven coyote]

Traumapod tm

[eternal gazelle]

Wait so was duviri created by the drifter or was it already a "place" within the void that was then molded to look like it does cause of drifter's influence?
AND, if void allows for both things to happen at once, why isnt there infinite number of drifters coming out of there for every possible choice?

[fleet furnace]

created by drifter iirc

[tall echo]

1. drifter made duviri
2. that's not how eternalism works

[eternal gazelle]

Ah alr

[fleet furnace]

and when the deal was struck, as i understand it, all other versions of operator (except drifter) were destroyed or something

[zenith ore]

All of them were saved except the drifter

[tall echo]

an undefined amount of alternate versions died

[tall echo]

not what wally was referring to

[fleet furnace]

all of the zariman children, but our operator/drifter specifically are the only two in the multiverse now

[tall echo]

"them" was referring to the other zariman kids, not the other versions of operator

[tall echo]

potentially*

[strange turtle]

potentially you say

https://tenor.com/view/reggie-reggie-star-max-elephant-jujutsu-kaisen-anime-gif-8043755143278245349

[zenith ore]

Wally is multi dimensional? How many feats does this mf has. How are we supposed to beat him? The power of friendship?

[celest needle]

The evil and intimidating enchain:

[fleet furnace]

i mean, its warframe lore, DEs never given us concrete anything really

[strange turtle]

Multiversal/timelinal

[fleet furnace]

i mean, way things are going its going to be quite litterally that

[strange turtle]

Unironically yeah that’s a big part of it

[zenith ore]

Dang it

[fleet furnace]

and yeah, he exists in the void and the void exists outside of time so

[zenith ore]

Dang it again

[strange turtle]

He finds love and (themes and) such very very icky

[zenith ore]

A question that went unanswered

[celest needle]

“Drifter im going to shoot you to make friends with my traumatized warframe hybrids I'm going to Tau now.”

[zenith ore]

Bliss

[strange turtle]

Albrecht went to 1999 with the coffin thing

It’s presumably voidtech but we don’t actually know

[zenith ore]

Didn't that thing use void energy

Maybe 1999 is a whole another universe

[fleet furnace]

not entirely sure on that, tbh. i think the void could work like 40ks warp where you can move along both time and space, tho we went to 1999 by exploiting how the infesteds memory works. but for xx99 im not sure

[strange turtle]

Nope

Confirmed to just be the past

[zenith ore]

Where is xx99 set

[strange turtle]

For xx99 Roathe did something similar using a shrivelled Helminth sample

[strange turtle]

It’s a secret and totally ambiguous but 1899

[fleet furnace]

ah

[strange turtle]

They wanted to give it mystery and aura ig

[pale cedar]

Roughly 10k years before the main story of the comic is to be believed

[strange turtle]

11

[zenith ore]

So umm.. What's the right answer here

[strange turtle]

10,000~ to the Old War, assuming Albrecht meant his modern times, then another 1,000~ between that and the games

[fleet furnace]

i think it is possible to time travel via the void, eternalism and all that, but for us, we use other means

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

[strange turtle]

Not eternalism, but yeah it can probably be done

[fleet furnace]

and since i mentioned eternalism

[woven coyote]

Well during orokin era it was only theoretically possible so i think we wont really manage much

[strange turtle]

Eternalism’d be hopping between timelines/realities/universes/whatever term you want to use altogether

[zenith ore]

Hey first time agreeing with roathe

[celest needle]

What cools the Jackal?

[fleet furnace]

and you could do that via the void, theoretically

[strange turtle]

ants

[pale cedar]

You don’t agree with this either?

Is it second time yet?

[zenith ore]

Pls don't talk about wally he's a touchy subject I'm still trying to figure it out

[woven coyote]

Well so are we

[fleet furnace]

thats pretty much why this channel exists, because we know stuff, but not everything and what we know is an absolute mess

[zenith ore]

Why dude I was replying

[peak panther]

woops forgot what channel I left on sorry

[zenith ore]

[celest needle]

That thing has to be overheating

[peak panther]

Ill rephrase and put in the main channel but does Roathe say anything about us using a uriel and talking to him? about to go do that

[zenith ore]

No I don't think so

[pale cedar]

Nope

[ashen pulsar]

like quinn with gyre? I don’t think so.

[peak panther]

thats a shame you think he would at least be mad

[fleet furnace]

isnt quinn cyte 09?

[pale cedar]

No, Quincy is Protoframe Cyte

Quinn is Holdfasts

[fleet furnace]

why does DE have two different characters with such similar names?

[zenith ore]

Who n who

[pale cedar]

Blame the human brain

[fleet furnace]

fair

quinn is holdfasts bounty person (zariman), i think, and quincy is proto cyte09, and i cant remember what his thing is since the main shop is amir

[strange turtle]

It’s something that can definitely be done, it’s just the accessing any specific timelime, that’s theoretical

[strange turtle]

IIRC he’s cosmetics

[woven coyote]

Iirc it was facepaint, weapon skins and glyphs

[strange turtle]

It’s already happened, though not in like, a freely done way, with the Drifter via Duviri and the Zariman

They can’t access their old timeline, which may or may not still exist, but they’re someone from one that has accessed another

[fleet furnace]

that is a point

[stiff fable]

Except the Drifter's "original" timeline would have been the Operator's timeline

because if they'd gotten out, they would have been the Operator instead

[fleet furnace]

i have a stupid, unrelated question does lua have a breathable atmosphere? cause like, we jump out of our warframe there and seemingly have no issues where as perita we had the breathing mask, zariman and KF have their own life support systems running, but lua just, looks like lua

[normal mountain]

I always wondered how things went in the Drifter's timeline
Without the Drifter there (to be Operator)

[normal mountain]

Lua was terraformed

[fleet furnace]

wouldve had to run paralell with operators, since drifter and operator are two versions of the same person

[stiff fable]

yeah no that's what I mean

[celest needle]

But they couldn't remove the moon cheese

[stiff fable]

Drifter's "home" timeline is the Void/Duviri

If they get out, they're the Operator

[normal mountain]

Or maybe they just chose not to
Venus got frozen, after all

[stiff fable]

If the Operator doesn't get out, they're the Drifter

[fleet furnace]

true, but wouldnt there be a sky like on every other planet and not just... the emptiness of space

[strange plinth]

tbf venus being frozen is because the current owners aren't working the tech right, afaik

[woven coyote]

Yup gotta remember how much more different it looked after narmer took over

[stiff fable]

they're trying to slow the terraforming to sell more coolant and thermia iirc

[normal mountain]

True
But I do think it's a waste of a power move on the Orokin's part
"Oh, this planet is so unbelievably hot... Let's make it cold now! :)"

[pale cedar]

Narmer actually fixed Venus by melting it

[woven coyote]

All that went wrong was that nef tried to throw credits at the thermostat and it broke from the impact

[strange turtle]

Eternalism’s branching timelines don’t literally mean it stems from the moment of divergence

[woven coyote]

"It's a waste" yeah it's the orokin we are talking about

[strange turtle]

It’s just the divergence that creates it, the timeline still has a past

[normal mountain]

Waste of a POWER MOVE

[woven coyote]

I said what i said

[stiff fable]

I disagree, the example Mother gives during the lecture is the classic trolley problem

[strange turtle]

As confirmed by the KIMs and them having a whole Zariman of their own,

[stiff fable]

When the choice is made, two timelines split

[woven coyote]

Well techically for this particular event the divergent point happend "outside" of time a.k.a in the void

[stiff fable]

Also, the Drifter's Zariman is Duviri soooo

[woven coyote]

They were one until they separated in the void

[normal mountain]

I always thought of it as cellular mitosis
When the choice is made, the universe splits into two different outcomes

[stiff fable]

Yep

[woven coyote]

Normally but again this particular thing happened in the void

[celest needle]

Nice visual novel

[stiff fable]

Yeah see this doesn't mix with what we know about timelines

So either the Drifter is wrong in-character, or the KIM authors are wrong

eg "Executor" Nihil

[strange turtle]

No?

[stiff fable]

Timelines in the Warframe universe

[strange turtle]

All Euleria says is that when there’s multiple possibilities, they all happen, and different versions of reality now exist where each is true

Nothing she says specifies that those versions of reality don’t exist independently with their own identical but separate pasts

[stiff fable]

Again, the test

When you have to make a choice about what parent to save, there are now universes where one or the other survived

[pale cedar]

The test that’s just an example not the rule

[fleet furnace]

theoretically ig, drifters timeline still exists, just he cant access it and its missing the "chosen operator" assuming all other events are more or less the same

[strange turtle]

Yeah, I’m literally reading it rn

[strange turtle]

All it states is what I said

[stiff fable]

(if the Tenno selects "A. Only one of her parents will survive.") Euleria Entrati: "Incorrect. Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible."

now exist

[strange turtle]

Euleria Entrati: "Question Three. Lintana's parents have been captured, but she has a choice. The button that opens her mother's cell door will flood her father's cell with deadly radiation, and vice versa. She presses one of the buttons. Under Eternalism, which of the following statements is universally true?"

(if the Tenno selects "A. Only one of her parents will survive.") Euleria Entrati: "Incorrect. Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible."

(if the Tenno selects "B. Only one of her parents will die.") Euleria Entrati: "Incorrect. Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible."

(if the Tenno selects "C. Her parents will survive. Her parents will die.") Euleria Entrati: "Correct. Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible."

[stiff fable]

They did not exist before

[strange turtle]

Again, now exist doesn’t exclude them from having their own independant pasts

[stiff fable]

They're the same timeline up to that point

[strange turtle]

Yes

So they’re identical

[stiff fable]

the same

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

Not identical, the same

Because if there are any differences, then they're not the same, they're different

[strange turtle]

…Do you not know the definition of identical

[stiff fable]

I have to wonder if you know the difference between connotation and denotation

[strange turtle]

They’re the same timeline, and then, when a “divergence point” occurs, multiple separate ones exist

[stiff fable]

Words with similar meanings still mean different things

[fleet furnace]

pedantically, saying theyre the same implies both timelines were litterally one and only split at the time the deal was made

[normal mountain]

I'd disagree on that point
They are no longer the same timeline, because they split
They would instead be identical up to the point of divergence

[fleet furnace]

so one timeline turns into two, not two timelines that are the same up to that point

[strange turtle]

“Being the same” is quite literally a dictionary definition of identical

[stiff fable]

Connotation vs. denotation

[strange turtle]

That doesn’t mean anything

I used the word in one way

[fleet furnace]

"being the same" drifters timeline literally did not exist until the deal was made, because all that happened before was operators timelime vs "identical" two timelines running in parallel up to the moment the deal was made.

its subtle but thats the difference

[stiff fable]

And you know that I wasn't using it that way

[strange turtle]

You didn’t use it any way

I did

And then you corrected me and said it meant something else

[stiff fable]

uh huh

Yeah

Look, drop this right away or I'm blocking you because there's absolutely no point in talking to someone who tries that

[strange plinth]

you've both been arguing over a definition for like 10 minutes
also blocking someone over that is ridiculous lmao

[stiff fable]

I'm happy to stop

[strange turtle]

The fact that you interpreted it in with one meaning doesn’t preclude me from using one of the others, it just means you misinterpreted what I meant

If you want to block me over that then fine

[stiff fable]

Bye

[fleet furnace]

the difference between meanings is functionally irrelevant anyway imo

[strange turtle]

Yeah, the Warframe locations aside from just the explicitly terraformed/survivable ones are all presumably messed with or supported in some way, since we and (naturally) helmetless units can manage in them fine.

As opposed to space as shown by that one Corpus tileset and Survival, where you take damage over time without life support from the pods or Archwing

[celest needle]

Why can't we all hug and make up 🥀

[strange plinth]

there's the one infested corpus ship extraction that you'll take continuous damage in as well

[celest needle]

But also how does Parvos his part of the the corpus from the VOID

Or really do anything outside of the void like the sisters

[glacial bough]

Because he's not trapped there

[fleet furnace]

i want to say its assumed we kinda just, accidentally let him out, when we went there

[glacial bough]

And communication is possible

[strange turtle]

Yeah thats the one I meant

[strange plinth]

based on deadlock protocol dialogue, he did something while we were fighting protea
either leaving entirely or setting something up to let him communicate

[glacial bough]

Not assumed, that was point of him baiting Nef

[strange plinth]

ah, i think there's another actual corpus ship tile that you can take that damage in, then
might be an invasion tile though

[woven coyote]

Europa's surface also needs gear
When you get far away or destroy the heating units you start taking damage to shields iirc

Cant remember if it eventually damages health

[normal mountain]

I don't believe so
I've used shieldless frames there before

Granted, it was also Nidus

[woven coyote]

Another funny environmental thing i remember but dunno if it is still up was when uranus launche going oob in sharkwing made you float up for some reason, always assumed it had to do with density

[celest needle]

But in call of the tempestari, he's in the same place

when he would have no reason to stay in that place if he did get out.

[glacial bough]

He has every reason to stay there

[strange turtle]

I mean. It might not have Protea anymore but it’s pretty safe

[normal mountain]

Power move
Make your new office out of your old prison

[woven coyote]

He does have a reason to stay there, safety

The whole reason he was there was because he was betrayed and they tried to assassinate him

[glacial bough]

It's a pocket dimension he has full control over that is fairly inaccessible

[woven coyote]

Will check later because now i am curious

[strange turtle]

I wonder if he ever puts on an oculus and mustache and goes out to have fun

[normal mountain]

Honestly?
Parvos sounds like his favorite TV show is a stockroom tickertape

I think he is having fun doing what he does

[glacial bough]

His favorite show would be something like Shark Tank

Parvos would never want to just sit and watch numbers go up

[stiff fable]

Also I think he might get exploded if he leaves, since the Granum Void is his ship mid-explosion

He only sends his specters through in Deadlock rather than trying to leave himself

[strange plinth]

there is

(upon freeing all captives) Parvos Granum: "By now, your friends have noticed that the overloading Void engines are preventing the exits you opened for my captives… from closing. Well done. And goodbye. Enjoy your stay."
that kinda implies otherwise?
in terms of dying if he ever leaves, i mean

[strange turtle]

I would say that a man can only go for so long without his paid leave to the rings of Saturn.

But yeah no this is Parvos he’d totally be just fine with the stock market and business documentaries/shows/books and never going out for any other kind of stimulation

[normal mountain]

That was pretty much my thoughts too!

[glacial bough]

Parvos absolutely would get bored

His entire tenets are about actively working. He needs to be out and about wheeling, dealing, and researching

[strange plinth]

he does seem to be doing so, based on his deal with drusus and whatever the sisters are up to

[stiff fable]

Isn't that right before he spawns a million specters to mob you/invade Nef's fleet?

[strange plinth]

right before protea attacks

[smoky gulch]

Parvos is the kind of capitalist to actively bully others into yielding him his capital

[woven coyote]

Cant let that capital be idle after all

[tall echo]

Yes that is part of his tenets

[fluid star]

I have a dumb question, but do stalker's acolytes hunt jade as well or are they like idc idc if that is my boss' wife i'm still fighting her

I just finished farming jade so i'm wondering about that LOL

[strange plinth]

-# i will maintain that the acolytes are barely canon after operation shadow debt

[fast dew]

They do :)

Ive almost only ever seen them as jade, cuz shes my strongest build

[humble sierra]

Acolytes aren't affected by Jade, no

They either don't know about her and Stalker's history or don't care, or they're not actually associated with him besides mimicking his style

[fluid star]

sjdfbhsdgd its much funnier to me if they do know and don't care lmao

i like to imagine funny hijinks in stalker hq

acolytes going btw i fought your dead wife being puppeteered by a traumatized child u hate

stalker: u did what now

[fast dew]

That got retconned to hell lmao

That was like

My whole thing for a few days, that Nihil got nuked from executor status

[celest needle]

The acolytes will follow you across time, space, planets and ships to not tolerate your insurrection

[hollow trench]

Hello all

The acolytes are cool

I have been busy for a minute

[twin wigeon]

honk

[fast dew]

Yeah, haven't seen you in a yonk

[hollow trench]

I am homed now

Working now

Played the new update

Mid as hell

[fast dew]

To clarify, the kim writer was wrong lol, they actually removed the message calling him an executor

[fast dew]

Yeah, its. The first update of the year for sure

[hollow trench]

I honestly still am very excited to see where tmitw plottline goes

[fast dew]

Same, but. I am. Increasingly worried

[hollow trench]

The whispers in the walls was my last favorite update

[hollow trench]

I feel like it’s gonna be a very very slow burn but essentially one where we are frank castle tied to the chair

[fast dew]

Nodders, cuz. I dont think we're gonna be killing the guy, and that makes me worry about. What Albrecht is gonna do, or try to do. Does he also think it'll be a bad idea to destroy wally?

[hollow trench]

It won’t be a death in the sense something dies I think

[fast dew]

Im convinced we're gonna pull a nihil and put the bastard in the tube

[hollow trench]

Wally feeds off bad feelings and death p much

His reaction when we caressed his cheek

Bro was like ayo

[fast dew]

I wonder how we.
Knew about that

Beautiful cutscene but lwky how are we aware of Albrecht's last moment with Loid 😭

[hollow trench]

Albrecht had the foresight to know how bad it’s going to get and decided to get to stepping

And idk what the mf is gonna do but it better be some new war level of like worthiness

I’m v suspicious of the lotus still

She makes me wonder how much she is withholding

[fast dew]

Eh, shes not doing it in a malicious way

[hollow trench]

Ik that, but like something is very off with her responses

[humble sierra]

She suffered like 5 lobotomies

[hollow trench]

What trips me up is she changed tune after seeing Wally in the new war

[humble sierra]

Also maybe she's just trying to keep herself from feeling anymore

[fast dew]

I. Do not appreciate how she isnt clear about her motives, but like. At the same time she does say she's looking for a healing sentient and there's only so many sentients that are needing to be healed

[humble sierra]

Less risk the Indifference going after her if she herself remains indifferent

[fast dew]

Eh chances are its. Not actually from wally

[humble sierra]

Her callousness feels very reactionary to me

[fast dew]

We never saw how she acted as all 3 of the people she is

We don't know that baseline

[hollow trench]

Idk

They share some type of relationship

Whether it’s a deal made or something she’s protecting us from idk

[fast dew]

Shes. Protecting us

I don't think the lady whos weak to the void would make a deal with guy who uses the void to make deals

[celest needle]

what if she's secretly working for the sentients as their spy!

[hollow trench]

She’s designed for that tbh

I believe

[fast dew]

For what purpose 😭 the war is over, god knows how many people are dead on both sides

[fast dew]

She wasnt. Designed. She was born, just like you and me. She chose to care for the tenno, even as Natah

[fast dew]

The healing sentient is probably for her brother, out of love, over any sinister plot

[celest needle]

/j

it was a /j

[humble sierra]

Idk maybe Lotus is secretly a Sentient who was designed after the adoptive mother of the Tenno and her purpose was to turn them against the Orokin

[celest needle]

What if, hear me out, that voice we hear in the second dream is actually ballas!

that would be some foreshadowing

[fast dew]

Impossible/♡

GOD DAMMIT.

Throwing my phone

[humble sierra]

What if the Warframes aren't suits but like, infested people who are being piloted by traumatized children

[celest needle]

true but that would contradict all the lore saying they're just robots

it'd be such a dumb reveal

[humble sierra]

Good point, but like since this is a direct sequel to darkSector it's probably similar to that

[celest needle]

What if Erra actually using Ballas for his own personal gains

And he's just a puppet figure for the upcoming new war quest

[north jolt]

That is such a silly idea

[humble sierra]

What if the Drifter we see in those gameplay showcases is actually the Operator who time travelled from the future, not a time skip!

[celest needle]

Or he could be a operator from an alternate warframe

[humble sierra]

Alternate timelines? That's just dumb

If Warframe goes the multiverse route I'm quitting, there's no way that can be done properly

[twin wigeon]

maybe its been done properly before and we simply live in an Eternalism branch in where it hasn't

[normal mountain]

It already has
With Drifter

...wait a second

......
Oh wow, I see what you're doing

Yeah, that would be dumb, nevermind

About as dumb as a warframe with Sentient powers

Can you imagine?

-# would be cool to play with
But would completely break the lore
Especially when the Prime comes out

[daring tusk]

If drifter smash and gets someone pregnant, would the little jit also technically be the father

[restive river]

Imagine if they made a frame that was made from other frames lol, talk about breaking the lore

[restive river]

No

[daring tusk]

Just transference to zanuka ezpz

[restive river]

Slap a bolt on the dog made of people

[daring tusk]

Wait what if zanuka is like inside

And we killed it in cold blood

[stiff fable]

"Tenno...niisan..."

I'll accept this canon

[celest needle]

it'd be really funny if Ballas warframe'd Teshin

[twin wigeon]

... yes?

they are the same person... ig?

[proper barn]

They had different experiences so they aren't actually the same.

[restive river]

No, while yes they’re the same person biologically and were the same person literally at one point in time due to their vastly different histories they’re closer to temporally displaced identical twins.

[twin wigeon]

ok but this a biological question

so yes

[restive river]

Ok, and?

It’s still no lol

If you have an identical twin, in every way and they have a kid you aren’t the parent lol

[twin wigeon]

nothing, i know they're not the same same but but like same person different experiences

hm maybe you're right then

[restive river]

lol

[proper barn]

Neither of them are biological creatures anymore.

[twin wigeon]

what

[proper barn]

Also you can change them independently.

So they don't even have to be biologically the same.

[twin wigeon]

i mean this is not even my point tbh so ill just accept ducky's answer

[proper barn]

So the hold fasts talk about us and like how we can't die completely mean we aren't like "normal" people.

[restive river]

They are what

[proper barn]

Don't the hold fasts

Call us void beings line them?

Or are we still technically biological? I don't know.

[restive river]

We’re still human lol

[proper barn]

Fair. I'm saying we are at least void enhanced

And idk how human that makes us.

[restive river]

The reason why if you change something on Operator and it doesn’t carry to Drifter is because Drifter isn’t a future version of the Operator, biological changes to one would never change the other

[proper barn]

also i agree.

[restive river]

Our human DNA is saturated in void
I think we’re closer to like
Spiderman or something lol

[proper barn]

yee.

is spiderman human?

[restive river]

Yes

[fast dew]

Hes. A mutant but he's human

[stiff fable]

aktually Spiderman doesn't have the X-gene so he isn't a mutant in Marvel god I hate comics so much

[fast dew]

Mutant in the way his DNA was forcibly altered or enhanced, over the inherent mutation

Also, today's thomas hot take

I am sceptical of Lettie's retelling of the silent carrier deal.

How is she determining the transmission rates from asymptomatic carriers over normal exposure?

Id get it for viral and bloodborne transmitted diseases

But. Techrot uses spores

Spores carry on. Literally anything. They're airborne

How are you gonna try and identify the disease spreading asymptomatic person when a person could get sick from a particularly strong wind carrying spores

A person could carry it in

[twin wigeon]

man, if the techrot could spread that easily, i think the world might be a lost cause...

if only there was a way to just like wipe the slate clean

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nuke-apocalypse-meme-gif-9579985

[stiff fable]

"I don't want to set the world on fire..."

[fast dew]

Surprisingly, I didn't get jumped for my mildly controversial take

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-murder-markipunch-doom-gif-22412827

[stiff beacon]

then somehow it got an upgrade when it became the infestation/technocyte proper in the form of.......

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-nanomachines-son-gif-25954092

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-ultra-kill-parry-ultrakill-parry-punch-gif-6148676138619206464

[humble sierra]

Multiple nuclear wars will be heading your way for suggesting anything mildly controversial about Lettie

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/single-hit-real-cat-car-gif-15576000014729577925

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-voruna-lettie-voruna-prime-gif-13380765977158773579

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-run-duck-run-duck-running-running-duck-gif-7950668956099519229

[lean garden]

uhm ackshually, spiderman is not a mutant, he is mutate☝️ 🤓

[fast dew]

Im gonna get you

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smash-punch-fast-fight-gif-15236044976681595844

[lean garden]

a gift!

[fast dew]

Yeah, of a nuclear bomb

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-jump-macarona-gif-17389049830464178889

[fast dew]

Woe

[lean garden]

same as airborne viruses ig

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[lean garden]

imo its just slightly scaled up from how we tracked shit like covid or sars

[fast dew]

Ehhh

Spores are different

Virus and spore transmission is. Different

Spores generally don't require a body

[celest needle]

Well whatever it takes to get the X-men comics more sales

[lean garden]

non-issue, we've tracked virus and bacteria that are able to survive for a time outside a host

just need to increase the time of survival by a few orders

[fast dew]

Not what I meant

The issue is that. Most viral transmissions are. Trackable

We can trace it via contact

This person touched this after this person coughed on it type deal

Spores are. Airborne in the way they are carried by the air itself

[twin wigeon]

too much work, just douse everyone in extremely corrosive liquids (effervon)

[fast dew]

So an open air area like the mall would be at constant risk

[lean garden]

evidently not that much risk if the humans in the mall arent infected when theres literal techrot next to them

[fast dew]

So unless they had. A sealed quarantine system, you can't exactly track who comes in or out with techrot in or on them

[lean garden]

separately from a tracking POV, if theres already a basal infection rate because the spores are everywhere, there should be a noticeable spike in infections if asymptomatic carriers start spreading it to everyone

[fast dew]

Or.

Someone in early infection

Or a spore burst happened to occur

[twin wigeon]

theres also just casually a huge helminth in the middle of the mall

[fast dew]

Unless they're isolating a person and letting them infect others

Its pretty hard to identify

When it could. Be from just regular exposure

[twin wigeon]

whats the chance its liquid spreading virus

[fast dew]

Bloodborne

[twin wigeon]

Bloodborne?!

[fast dew]

And it would be significantly less transmittable

[fast dew]

Yeah for some reason bloodborne refers to just fluid transmission

Bodily fluids

[twin wigeon]

well im asking bc the underground has lots of water around so maybe tthats how it spreads?

[fast dew]

Specifically

[fast dew]

Maybe? Spores can float on the surface for sure

[twin wigeon]

was gonna do a bloodborne gif

[fast dew]

HIV is a bloodborne disease despite it spreading from a few bodily fluids

-# Raids is AIDS - pablo

But. Yeah this is why spore based infections are so interesting

[twin wigeon]

would've been nice if minerva was a virologist instead of a secret agent

[celest needle]

Is there any way to stop the infestation once it starts to spread on a ship?

[twin wigeon]

apparently yes?

since modern infestation is airborne and affects more biological systems than robotic

i guess exposing the area to the vacuum of space would most likely purge the ship of infestation but... the helminth is still on our ship despite ordis' attempts

[fast dew]

Mm, its a matter of timing

Once it hits the life support system, as in. Spores spreading through the ship via air

You're pretty much screwed

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah, i guess the infestation needs time to settle down, get comfy, and mutate its new hosts

and we're supposedly immune to the infestation, although it hasn't been tested

other than the helminth not liking drifter/operator's presence or revering it

i can't really tell actually, what the helmith thinks of us

[fast dew]

Likes and doesn't like

Symbiotic?

[twin wigeon]

i guess it's cooperative

[humble sierra]

[insert that one ultimate panel where Spidey shouts a bunch of profanities at them]

[twin wigeon]

doesn't like bothering us bc we feed it

[humble sierra]

Tbf there's no need actual need for the Protoframes to be related to the Warframe's power sets thematically

[twin wigeon]

i mean yeah, but it'dve been nice

[celest needle]

We do not TALK about ultimate spider man

In fact we do not TALK about the ultimate universe [pre-reboot] at all

[stiff beacon]

so heres the thing *see eris tileset

[twin wigeon]

velimir being a bartender makes sense bc he can make ice for drinks ig

[humble sierra]

Tbf spidey was the only good thing about the original run

But also suffered from being very... Bendis

[twin wigeon]

nerd

[celest needle]

we play warframe

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-gif-10071728364206592820

[twin wigeon]

tru

[woven coyote]

we are nerds among nerds

[stiff beacon]

short answer: my brother in rngesus have you've played the eris tileset

[twin wigeon]

yeah i realize that now but its not actively infecting new ppl

[stiff beacon]

yea the derelict ships arent, though you do remember that strain started a cult right?

[twin wigeon]

how could i forget about Arlo and his cult

[celest needle]

Dont forget Ultron being insanely jealous that Quicksilver has a romantic relationship with his sister [he had no problems with he just wanted to date Wanda]

What a great storyline

[stiff beacon]

was ultron made by tony stark in that universe?

[celest needle]

hank pym

[stiff beacon]

somehow that makes less sense

in this context

[celest needle]

Ultron also leaked a tape of Tony and Widow to distract from the murder

[stiff beacon]

ok wtf is this ultron

[lean garden]

pym smart scientist

make ultron

[stiff beacon]

well no

based in my ultron info

bro has hank pym's mind but none of the morality

[celest needle]

well this is comic ultron and Hank Pym made him

I swear he's better in the 616 universe

[stiff beacon]

i mean yea

he aint doing seemingly random bs and wanting to get with wanda of all people

[celest needle]

That was dooms doing

https://tenor.com/view/jogo-jjk-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-rain-defeat-gif-1876597495494170086

master plan or something

[stiff beacon]

ok fair considering doom aint messing with pre reboot reed cause that reed is shooting himself in the foot

[fast dew]

Doom

Doom mentioned-

Wrong doom

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-meme-hamster-drawing-hamster-frown-ew-gif-14611426364003597616

[celest needle]

I mean he did indirectly cause the maker

by pissing off magneto

[fast dew]

If he was looking a little more disgusted over. Shocked, I think he kinda looks like that hampter

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-fish-funny-spin-gif-23261846

[fast dew]

-# had to mention doom mb, continue

[celest needle]

Doom?

[fast dew]

Doom

[celest needle]

The doctor or the noun or the fps game or the mf

[fast dew]

Oh you. Really don't know my. Attachment to the hit FPS game series doom

My entire profile is it lol

[celest needle]

even 64?

[fast dew]

64 is a favourite

Has some of my favourite classic characterisation of doomguy

Eternal for the lore, TDA for the visuals and gameplay, 2016 for story, classics for characterisation

And doom 3 is my all time favourite

Im a fan of the whole series

Including the two book series

[celest needle]

The tabletop?

Boardgame?

and the 2 movies?

[fast dew]

Mmm, the new one or the 2005 one?

The movies are fine

Not good, not great

Just. Fine.

The second one is the worst of the two

The comic was funny as shit

The classic manuals are. My favourites

However.

The evil man Hugo Martin [said lovingly]

Makes the lore nearly impossible to keep track of

BECAUSE HE KEEPS SAYING SHIT THATS NOT TRUE

Same with Sandy Shittersen

But he has even less weight

Because he's dogshit, and only was a map maker

Despite if he claims otherwise

A bad map maker too

This was atrocious

[celest needle]

did he make that pit with invisible pinkies?

[fast dew]

Maybe. Not shocking if he did

If its in Inferno it absolutely would be

[glacial bough]

This is getting a bit off topic, no?

[twin wigeon]

wf is offtopic all the time

[woven coyote]

Uhhhh quick use the creative director as a smokescreen

[stiff fable]

[woven coyote]

Lol

[twin wigeon]

Rebb is such a mood like all the time

all of DE is so quirky 24/7

[sonic acorn]

we know any lore for Uriel to understand his power scale?

[stiff fable]

He was mass produced

[sonic acorn]

or theirs?
idk, heard there used to be an army of Uriel

[stiff fable]

Yeah

Their commander had his entire battalion Warframe'd

[sonic acorn]

Roathes army all turned to Uriel but you telling me that 1 uriel is able to turn an entire room in-game to a lava pool?

[stiff fable]

Yep

[lean garden]

well you see, some people opt for powered scales because they can be more accurate compared to their analog versions

[stiff fable]

Warframes were built to fight living spaceships

[lean garden]

*via guerilla tactics

[sonic acorn]

living spaceships... you mean to fight the Sentients no..?
by devolving apparently...

[stiff fable]

The Sentients were in fact living spaceships

[stiff fable]

The human size Sentients are basically their skin flakes

[lean garden]

who is devolving what now?

[sonic acorn]

The Orokin devolved their own technology, they relied on biological infested creatures called warframes, made guns so that the Sentient can't easily adapted to them, Or so I was told but not sure if that is a simple theory

[twin wigeon]

warframes are flesh suits fighting high tech robots

[stiff fable]

They didn't devolve their technology so much as... redirect it?

[sonic acorn]

Redirect as in..?

[stiff fable]

Rather than build a spaceship with a computer that the Sentients could just hijack, they built a factory to produce ballistic weaponry at the same tech level as the spaceship

[sonic acorn]

wouldn't use the word suits since they are super humans turned infested by the helminth strain

[sonic acorn]

so... long story short they stopped relying on AI..? actually not we still got AI in railjacks, I don't understand

[stiff fable]

Cephalons are..... unique

[sonic acorn]

human mind turned AI, ik

[stiff fable]

Because they're intelligent, but not.... artificial

[sonic acorn]

their conciousness turned into cephalon

[radiant pier]

also they have their own little plain of existence thing

[stiff fable]

The Sentients have to do a lot more work to hack a cephalon

[radiant pier]

the weave, was it?

[sonic acorn]

hm?

[stiff fable]

Their datascape, specifically

The Weave is the network they make themselves part of

[stiff fable]

Cephalons can produce a kind of augmented reality

[sonic acorn]

oh right, Cephalon simaris spoke about it

[stiff fable]

Yeah. Sanctuary is one.

[radiant pier]

yeah they're really weird, way way harder to crack than AI

[stiff fable]

Nihil's fight is half of one, half part of the cephalon weave

[sonic acorn]

though pretty sure 1 of the Cephalon still got hacked, specifically by Hunhow, don't know if he is an exception though among the sentient for being ancient

[radiant pier]

who?

[sonic acorn]

nearly though

nearly

[lean garden]

I mean all they really did was reorganise their weapons because making flesh golems powered by space magic that are supposed to be both equally powerful yet stealth like would be quite the technological marvel, it's just no death star

[lean garden]

suda

[stiff fable]

That's why I mentioned it taking a lot more work

[sonic acorn]

but still hackable however, just harder

[lean garden]

compare: robots being immediately taken over during the new war vs how slow it took hunhow to hack suda

[sonic acorn]

alright fair point

[stiff fable]

It's likely that Suda's personality made her especially vulnerable

she has a habit of picking up things out of curiousity

[sonic acorn]

oh, fair...

so some cephalon are easier to hack than others

[stiff fable]

Maybe you can compare it to people falling for obvious scams?

[sonic acorn]

true

[stiff fable]

"Hello Mr. or Ms. Cephaloon I am a very innocent delivery mann please let me give you Very Safe eMail"

[radiant pier]

I guess it's fair to assume that one of the most curious Cephalons was more vulnerable to getting hacked than the others

[sonic acorn]

Cephalon Suda: Curious

[stiff fable]

I heard her voice there dear god

[sonic acorn]

now..
how would an army of Uriels fair against the army of Sentients

[stiff fable]

ehhhh, welll

They're kinda one-trick ponies

Lots of fire damage

[sonic acorn]

true.. fire

adapt to fire = fire useless

[stiff fable]

Sentients adapt to fire, some die, spread the adaptation

[radiant pier]

fire bad

[sonic acorn]

fire useless = sentient get the upper hand

[stiff fable]

There's a reason the Uriels we see at the time of the Old Peace have been crucified

[radiant pier]

but what if you hit em with SEVERAL KINDS OF FIRE

[stiff fable]

honestly, I'd really like to see the Sentients get buffed again

[sonic acorn]

actually idk, why was that 1 sole Uriel left there and crucified of all things, by the Sentients?

[radiant pier]

aren't they especially weak to the void

[stiff fable]

It's not the only Uriel remaining, just the one you run into that leaves an impression

[stiff fable]

Someone here compared it to how medieval European villages would hunt wolves

[sonic acorn]

Uriel doesn't have void related abilities, though funny to see the idle animation of Uriel consists of the murmur grabbing Uriel, idk what that indicates

[stiff fable]

Wolves were dangerous but also smart

So the villagers would kill one and hang the corpse outside the village as a warning to the rest

[sonic acorn]

is that suppose to serve as an acknowledgement of the Sentients that they view Uriel as a great threat then??

from what I am gathering...

[stiff fable]

It's impossible to say how much of a threat they saw Uriel as

[sonic acorn]

enough to call 1 a devil

[stiff fable]

For sure, an entire army of Warframes would be a real threat

But as they started going insane?

They're just a rabid animal at that point

[sonic acorn]

hm?
wait is that how they died off?

[stiff fable]

Most Warframes go insane, yes

The "sane" ones all have some specific goal or drive to keep them from going insane

[sonic acorn]

ah right.. because its not the operator controlling them, the conciousness of a frame slowly deteriorate by the infested

[stiff fable]

Yes (though the infested insists it's not them)

[sonic acorn]

probably a lie

[lean garden]

die off? nah most of those the orokin hunted down

[lean garden]

not the case

the infested simply dont see it as madness

[sonic acorn]

why the hell did the orokin hunt them?
didn't they make them in the first place

[radiant pier]

I was gonna mention Xaku

[lean garden]

they dont deny that theyre making the warframes lose their shit

[radiant pier]

Xaku has an awesome design, I absolutely love asymmetry

[lean garden]

its just not "losing your shit" to them

[radiant pier]

but I also hate math

[sonic acorn]

what would be a requim word to define math as

[radiant pier]

which is ironic because I've always aced the hell outta math

[sonic acorn]

also, apparently Uriel Prime is indeed part of the lore, I wonder how absurdly powerful that frame would be in the lore ._.

[sonic acorn]

you hate it, but you are good at it

[lean garden]

nothing too diabolical

[stiff fable]

Just remember, primes aren't actually stronger than base Warframes

[radiant pier]

you're looking at the idiot that's somehow top 10 in physics in my batch in the university

but I also absolutely hate math NEVER AGAIN SHALL I TOUCH IT

[celest needle]

it also means they is never getting any Tennogen skins [but one]

[sonic acorn]

oh...

[stiff fable]

Just more

[radiant pier]

now I write smut and get paid for voices

[sonic acorn]

oh, voice actor job?

[radiant pier]

they

[sonic acorn]

it

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy2zB8bLSpk

[radiant pier]

that's THREE FRAMES

[sonic acorn]

Xaku has no gender, so it

[celest needle]

I forgot they're MULTIPLE people

[sonic acorn]

I forgor...

I believe because of the 3rd ability?

[radiant pier]

uhhh more like smut reading and whimpering ANYWAY

[sonic acorn]

[stiff fable]

In the lore Xaku is made from three Warframes that were lost in the Void and came back fused together

There are three distinct design elements in every Xaku design to represent that (as well as the skeleton+void energy interior)

[sonic acorn]

ah, I remember that

[sonic acorn]

so am I suppose to take this as that some of those frames did survive but all got killed by the Orokin?

[stiff fable]

The game hasn't gone into much detail yet but Dante's update has mention of something called the "Warframe rebellions"

[lean garden]

warframe insurrection

[stiff fable]

one of those

[lean garden]

some survived, notably dante and kullervo

other "survivors" would be the not-rhino from rhino prime's codex

[sonic acorn]

wasn't that in the event of the night of the smth smth where the Orokin got massacered

[lean garden]

no youre thinking of the Night of Naga Drums

the Warframe Insurrections happen much earlier

[sonic acorn]

idk about that actually, this is new to me

[stiff fable]

The Warframes rebelled before the Tenno showed up

[swift sentinel]

It only comes up with Dante and Kullervo

[stiff fable]

So this is long before the Old Peace

[sonic acorn]

so rebelled against the orokin or the other warframes

[stiff fable]

Orokin

[lean garden]

remember the Sacrifice? where ballas said the warframes turned on the orokin? yea that

[sonic acorn]

I took that as the event where the Orokin got killed to near extinction

[stiff fable]

No, the Orokin were only nearly killed after the Old War ended

||though the Old Peace quest suggests that they were going to lose the war naturally before the xenoflora happened||

[lean garden]

Ballas's letters to hunhow are way earlier than that

[sonic acorn]

True

[sonic acorn]

||Like the Orokin losing the war?||

[woven coyote]

The one where orokin were slaughtered is called night of the naga drums, which causes the end of the empire known as the colapse

[stiff fable]

@sonic acornquick timeline:
Old War starts > Orokin start running out of soldiers, try using Grineer and infestation
Both plans aren't enough > Ballas "tames" infestation > creates the first Warframes
[X] Warframes begin to rebel and/or go insane, forcing the Orokin to destroy many of them
The Zariman reappears > Margulis creates Transference
The Old Peace

[sonic acorn]

ah...

so it was during the Old War

got it...

[stiff fable]

I blanked that out because it's a tangent, but the xenoflora ended up saving the Orokin from losing the war

[sonic acorn]

which gave the Orokin time to recover I suppose

[stiff fable]

bingo

Recover and break the Sentients down further

[sonic acorn]

idk the hell Ballas was thinking when he sabotaged the mission

which kinda made things worst ngl

for the Orokin

[stiff fable]

The thing to remember about the Orokin is that for as smart as they were, they were very stupid and evil

[woven coyote]

And petty

[stiff fable]

And petty

[sonic acorn]

kinda like childrens

they do smart stuff when under pressure, but do dum and petty stuff when bored

[stiff fable]

It doesn't matter that all they had to do was pretend to be normal people for a few years and they'd get everything they could ever want

They wanted to be stupid and evil

And petty

[woven coyote]

Considering the chain of failures near the end i think they just got lucky

[stiff fable]

EVERY major strategy they tried in the Old War blew up in their face

[woven coyote]

Between the sentients, warframes, tenno, and grineer they really managed to perfect combo their end

[sonic acorn]

the plan of using warframes backfired badly I believe

the lucky part was Margulis bringing in the Tenno and also creating peace

I think peace with the sentient was made because of Xenoflower discovery

question would be the hivemind they speak about

[woven coyote]

We assume that to just be the sentients that originate all the fragments we saw during the quest

After all adis and amar aside all sentients seen were clearly fragments

Even dactolyst with the typical fragment "lyst" ending

[dark compass]

How did Grineer backfire?

I don't remember them going wrong until after the collapse

[sonic acorn]

not the Grinner backfiring, when did that happen?

though they were losing alot of Grinners

[dark compass]

.

[dark compass]

.

[woven coyote]

They made soldier grineer, which is basically what backfired grineer wise during the colapse

[stiff fable]

Even by the time of the Old Peace the Grineer were developing camaraderie and loyalties to things other than the Orokin

[woven coyote]

And capacity for violence

[dark compass]

[sonic acorn]

Oh....

[stiff fable]

Valdur actually likes and respects the Tenno, and he talks about his brothers

[woven coyote]

Just yet another layer

[stiff fable]

That's a modern Grineer thing; Prime Grineer were supposed to only care about work and following orders

[woven coyote]

Like the corny operator line about "grineer used to be builders" isnt just a joke

[stiff fable]

yeah

(I'll note that I only noticed this because I sat down to read the Kuria over the weekend)

[humble sierra]

Grineer were also designed with self-preservation or something and when one sacrificed himself for his troops ||and Roathe|| he was seen as defective

[humble sierra]

God I hate that they're so hidden, I've only just got my 50% Olmedi message

[stiff fable]

Follie helped!

[sonic acorn]

hm?

[woven coyote]

Good old olemedi

[sonic acorn]

as in understanding the lore?

[stiff fable]

All the ones I needed were on the Sealab tile hahaha orz

[woven coyote]

Finding a specific lore colectable

[humble sierra]

Finding the Kuria, the spirit children lead to them

Parallax also marks them which is nice

[stiff fable]

Ah, so, before there were cephalon fragments, DE added a bunch of dolls called "Kuria" to the game

[woven coyote]

One of folies summons leads to these things

[dark compass]

Pooria

I don't want to collect them

[stiff fable]

They tell the story of the Grineer Queens

[dark compass]

[woven coyote]

Well i have a neat statue and glyph for it

[stiff fable]

yeee

Honoria when

[sonic acorn]

hold up, like the one you get from Nabirus, which tells a story about Dagath..

[stiff fable]

It's closer to the Gara story?

[woven coyote]

True, rebb in the walls, always watching: kuria honoria when?

[stiff fable]

But no narration

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Kuria

[woven coyote]

Kuria are so old they are in the objects section instead of fragments

[stiff fable]

#1 -
A Story once lost
Recovered by fate
The tale of two sisters
Who bore the same face

#2 -
Born one quiet morning
Amidst the great war
All elders were gathered
For this life's new dawn

#3 -
Confused and bewildered
They judged them amiss
For they never witnessed
Two self-same as these```

[sonic acorn]

and you find those with the help of Follie?

[woven coyote]

Also fun fact uranus sharks used to be in the object section

[stiff fable]

Or any of the trackers, like Orokin Eye or Golden Instinct

[dark compass]

What could possibly be the honoria for getting all of them

[stiff fable]

Follie's the best of them

[woven coyote]

No idea

[dark compass]

"for the queens"

[stiff fable]

Kurious

[woven coyote]

Screw it
hoarder

[stiff fable]

:V

[sonic acorn]

Hmmm, Cephalon Suda would be Kurious to know about them

[stiff fable]

god imagine if DE put Olemedi into the game

just one day she's there in Suda's room offering tips and rewards for codex progress

....that's actually kind of a neat idea

[woven coyote]

Off topic but kinda curious about which ability is getting a buff because of technical advancements

[stiff fable]

They said "13 years" right?

that'd mean it's one of the earliest frames

[woven coyote]

Imagine loki players getting their hopes up

[stiff fable]

pffft

[woven coyote]

Poor ppl

[dark compass]

Kuriosity

[stiff fable]

imagine it's Saryn and they're nerfing her to LoS after all

[woven coyote]

Pfft

The 2 remaining saryn players will be sad

Speaking of havent seen a saryn in a long while

[stiff fable]

For the technology improving to be what enables the buff it has to be a Warframe that interacts with the game on a deeper layer than "DPS" or "buff", right?

[dark compass]

They're stuck in farming hell

[woven coyote]

I guess?

[stiff fable]

Might be Banshee

[woven coyote]

Ohhh watch it be limbo

[stiff fable]

hahaha god

[woven coyote]

I rememeber limbo had some issues with performance and stopping bullets

With the ridiculous firerates and such

[humble sierra]

I feel like Minerva + MoistCritikal caused a brief spike in Saryn's

[sonic acorn]

thought it would be Garuda, remember there being said smth about her?

[stiff fable]

also plausible

[humble sierra]

Garuda doesn't need buffs, the main thing with her is lore which is what we're apparently getting

[stiff fable]

Just wonder what tech change would change her abilities

[woven coyote]

Nah dont remember anything about garuda being technically limited

[stiff fable]

Banshee I feel could benefit from the standarization of "weak points"

[humble sierra]

I wonder if we'll be getting any augments soon? Been quite a while tbh

[dark compass]

She's so stupidly powerful and versatile and yet

[stiff fable]

Follie was supposed to have some iirc

[dark compass]

Her exalted is working weirdly

[stiff fable]

so, yes! Soon!

[dark compass]

[stiff fable]

or maybe we're all overthinking it and World on Fire is coming back after all

[woven coyote]

Lol

Honestly the two i can imagine being most likely are mirage and limbo

Both are performance breakers

[dark compass]

I dunno about Mirage, but would be cool to have world on fire back

Or you know

Undertow