lore-discussion

[restive river]

Like ik this is a spoiler channel but that’s a step above

[stiff fable]

Made the point, don't need to keep it up

[woven coyote]

well maybe the archons

[restive river]

Just keep in mind it ain’t official and people (me) are trying to not get spoiled :/

It’s a borderline leak

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah def just the archons

[woven coyote]

during archon hunts lotus mentions about how the archons might have influenced erra

[restive river]

Wasn’t there something about Nira and Erra specifically?
Like
Not a romance but her utilizing his feelings
Or did I dream that

[woven coyote]

looking right now

[twin wigeon]

the archons are mostly sentient grafted onto corpses so like, they're likely under erra control

[stiff fable]

Yeah Nira mentored Erra

The original I mean

[twin wigeon]

bwhahahahaha

[stiff fable]

Back when she was a Sentient Beast, before she was made into an archon

[twin wigeon]

Nira X Erra

[ashen pulsar]

the archons control pazuul

[restive river]

Thank you lol

Nira x Erra
A very toxic ship indeed

[twin wigeon]

The archons control pazuul or maybe pazuul is basically a archon erra in the way that a sentient head is grafted onto another's body

[woven coyote]

but anyway lotus seems to at least think the archons had influence on erras actions

which could feed into hunhows line about looking for natah's body

[celest needle]

Egocentric Enabler and misguided Racist

[twin wigeon]

Maybe the Archons want to "archonize" Natah? yk graft a head on her so they can control

[stiff fable]

Or just gaslight her some more

[twin wigeon]

or that

[stiff fable]

To restart Praghasa/reunite the Sentient Armada

[twin wigeon]

poor natah

[celest needle]

What heads do they have left?

[stiff fable]

That's why I think the body thing is really compelling

[twin wigeon]

no clue we only know of the 4 being used

[stiff fable]

There are two other archon shards with no archon that we know

[twin wigeon]

pazuul has a shard?

[celest needle]

Orang shard

[twin wigeon]

he's likely orange

[blissful merlin]

So…this might sound like a SUPER dumb question, but what exactly are archon shards? Like we heal lotus with them, but what exactly are they? Why did the 3 “archons” have them imbued? What is their power? I don’t trust the wiki for this type of question but also not sure if I asked it in the correct way but alas…it’s honestly kind of difficult to word this question any better haha.

[woven coyote]

right through the noggin

[twin wigeon]

Oh dayum i did not catch that

[stiff fable]

We can see it during Veilbreaker

[twin wigeon]

tbf we only see pazuul in broadcasts

[stiff fable]

He's missing it during his Archon Hunt transmissions

[twin wigeon]

and the orange is blending into the horns

[blissful merlin]

What in the-

[woven coyote]

and as shown through archons and through new war really healthy for sentients

[stiff fable]

Give me ten minutes to make a drive and I'll explain my theory

[blissful merlin]

Bet lmao

[woven coyote]

iirc an entropic state would be a state with the most possibilities
void has many possibilities (which i personally think feeds into the sentient weakness)
and so the sentients made those shards which have anti-entropic radiation

[twin wigeon]

does the anti entropic part mean it doesn't decay or that its really stable?

im not the most well versed in entropy

[woven coyote]

entropy isnt about decay actually, but disorder, randomness, and apparently possibility. from what i understand

[stiff beacon]

well lack of it

hold on

[twin wigeon]

entropy is randomness got it

[stiff beacon]

ok nvm

lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder- 2nd definition

[woven coyote]

my idea here would be that the void's possibility would overwhelm the sentients adaptation btw

[fast dew]

I like that idea

[fast dew]

Free lobotomy !!!

[woven coyote]

and so the anti entropic radiation of a shard helps them heal

[woven coyote]

surely that's why he is coocoo

[stiff fable]

OKAY SO

Sentients don't work like people

This is obvious, they're half-rock, half-machine

Break a piece off and you have two Sentients

[blissful merlin]

Right…right…🤔

[stiff fable]

Rather than a brain or heart, Sentients have their core

[celest needle]

“MisSIon ComPlEtE wElL DoNe “

[stiff fable]

We pick them up and offer them to Onkko (or rarely use them to supercharge our Tenno powers)

That's their seat of consciousness, where their personality is

[drowsy saddle]

What if the cores weren't for us but for Adis' light

[stiff fable]

So uh yeah that's actually super dark if you think about it

[fast dew]

Surely

[stiff fable]

plausible, but iirc some eidolon bits go into amps

rather there seems to be a connection between Sentients(+eidolons) energy and the Void

Anywho, when the Sentients talk about themselves they talk about their "light" a lot

It's also used to talk about the soul more generally ("You lose your light? You can borrow mine." "Thanks kiddo I will"), but the Sentients use it to talk about consciousness

The archon shards for Nira, Amar and Boreal are the three primary colors

I think the archon shards are pieces of giant Sentient cores

Cores that have been refined away from the general "light" of normal Sentient cores for... reasons

I'm not going to pretend to know what

except to say, that white light is made of many different shades of light

The archon shards only emit one color

which in color science, means they absorb the rest of the spectrum

[blissful merlin]

Wait so…when we plug archon shard into a frame we’re plugging in some sentient consciousness?!

[stiff fable]

A former Sentient consciousness, yes

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-world-of-gumball-banana-joe-traumatize-traumatized-shocked-gif-22330928

[stiff fable]

Like all Sentient biology, it "dies" after being broken down far enough

But death for Sentients doesn't mean non-functional

[blissful merlin]

That’s why I’m like “oh crap that’s actually pretty dark”😭😭

[stiff fable]

So really you're strapping a brainstem to your armor and it makes you stronger

[blissful merlin]

Good gods…

[stiff fable]

:V

[woven coyote]

warframe, usually

[blissful merlin]

I mean YEA but I never thought it’d get that dark with these shards😭😭😭

I feel so bad….

[woven coyote]

not to bash captain but remember that for now it is just a theory

[stiff fable]

a GAME THEORY

[woven coyote]

please no

[stiff fable]

But yeah no it's messed

[woven coyote]

i regret using those words

[stiff fable]

Hunhow actually really hates the Tenno over this

Even as far back as Natah he's shouting about Tenno carving weapons from Sentient bones

[blissful merlin]

I hope that theory becomes a fact cuz it’d just make it 10x more messed up just for gameplay lmao.

I love all my purple shards
the consciousness inside of them “free me”

[woven coyote]

second dream but yeah

[stiff fable]

oh whoop my bad

[ashen pulsar]

meanwhile he hands us nataruk

[woven coyote]

yuuuuup

[stiff fable]

One of my favorite parts of that quest for that reason

[drowsy saddle]

Then stop making useful bones

[fast dew]

I think its a matter of. Consent lol

[hollow blaze]

I mean, he made nataruk from Sentient bones...

[fast dew]

Of himself, wasn't it?

[hollow blaze]

Accroding to Nataruk's description, his kin.

[fast dew]

Every day i am reminded of how lucky warframe lore fans are for having transcripts

[drowsy saddle]

POV: the Tenno are showing the sentients how they built the Basmu

[rose estuary]

Meanwhile the shedu which is literally just a sentient’s arm we ripped off:

[hollow blaze]

Normal venato vs. venato prime

[drowsy saddle]

"Yeah so i beat em to death with their own arm"

"I don't think that's anatomically possible"

"Yeah that's what they said while i did it"

[fast dew]

The lil pouch lookin sentients you can find that holds stuff is so funny lookin

[clever linden]

Guy did so much damage to ppl’s understanding’s of stories

[dusk temple]

He caused a spat between my friends and I when I denounced him for his butchering of Hollow Knight’s lore.

[stiff fable]

Venato Prime has one of my favorite descriptions in the game

There's SO much there for what's ultimately a sentence and change

[radiant pier]

imma be honest I think the Orokin are kinda ugly

[fast dew]

I think they're mostly handsome, a decent chunk at least

[radiant pier]

lemme rephrase

roathe I don't like you

[woven coyote]

Is it the weird bowlcut plus hairnet combo?

[fast dew]

Nah roathe is just racist lol

Immediately ugly to me

[placid veldt]

what actually is a warframe? i just finished up the new war.
my current understanding seems to be that warframes are people that were infected by helminth then turned into metal?
But what happens when I build one in the foundry? and whats up with primes?

[fast dew]

You got it pretty spot on in the first part.

The foundary is making copies of them, with help of the helminth unit in your orbiter.

[placid veldt]

the helminth unit it the orbiter isnt actively turning ppl into metal tho right?

[fast dew]

Nup, unsure how they make copies, but they do. The copies are the same person as the original, their memories are just significantly less. The idle animations are remnants of the personality

[woven coyote]

Also not exactly turning people into metal

[fast dew]

I like to think helminth is just able to spit out a genetic copy from their.. memory?

[woven coyote]

One sec grabbing the codex entry

[humble sierra]

Sword steel is just fancy words, it's not Metal but something just super duper dense like a carapace

[placid veldt]

and so the orokin had to use the zariman children's transference to control the warframes bcuz the original personalities were unable to be controlled? like in the case of umbra

[fast dew]

You've been paying attention, good job

[lean garden]

"unable to be controlled"

is a good mix of "they actually went crazy" and "they just stopped doing what we were ordering them to do"

[fast dew]

It had something to do with infestation madness and. Being disobedient to the orokin lords lol

But yeah, overall a pretty solid understanding

[lean garden]

You can be mad, and stick it to the Golden Lords

[placid veldt]

OH and thats why the entrati look like they do

[fast dew]

Mhm. They got infested with the grey strain, which. Makes shit big lol

[dark compass]

That scene of failed projects from robocop 2

[fast dew]

The blue skin, long arm and white eyes are normal though

They're just big and disfigured

[woven coyote]

I mean if they can access their awareness throughout time they can probably just "look back" on any time that warframe was just waltzing around and make a "real time" copy

[fast dew]

Ye, my theory was that. The consumed personality was still there and somewhat tied to the genetic material consumed by it, but I like that idea

[dark compass]

Foundry is just gloves and a hair net for Helminth to spit the new equipment out after it's done

[fast dew]

The hairnet implies helminth has hair

[woven coyote]

Infested feel like quantom storage on that front kinda, at least on my shallow understanding of it

[fast dew]

Nodders

[dark compass]

I'm speaking metaphorically but why not

[lean garden]

the almighty enderchest

[fast dew]

Helminth working graveyard at McDonald's to give me an apple pie at 2am

[woven coyote]

Feeding a bluerprint to the helminth
"Hey you remember when you were 'insert warframe'?
"Oh yeah i remember" makes copy

[dark compass]

Make sure you have enough apple pie slots left in the inventory before claiming

[fast dew]

Xata

I subsumed my last one so it'll be fine

[dark compass]

||1999 has it straight up spit a new excalibur out based on a "blueprint"||

Spoiler tagging for the person who hasn't done it yet

[fast dew]

Wonder how Albrecht got that to happen

[woven coyote]

Imagine the materials in the blueprints are just a recipe to make helminth have a ratatoille moment and remember how to make that warframe

[humble sierra]

Excalibur is probably the easiest thing to spit out

Man was mass produced

[fast dew]

I imagine it would feel. Really weird to make a warframe as a helminth..

[woven coyote]

Excalibur having a "suit" moment

[humble sierra]

I think there's at least 2 primes

[drowsy saddle]

What ever happened to it anyways? Did we just like... Feed it back to the helminth? Or is Quincy using it for target practice? Or is letty cutting it open for surgery?

[humble sierra]

The one in Erra and the one for Old Peace

[dark compass]

Sorry I ate it

[lean garden]

I mean, not any special than any other frame really

[fast dew]

True but he was mildly favoured

[lean garden]

We've seen a whole bunch of the same model of primes fighting over and in lua

and we know theres a slight repeat for Old Peace

[dark compass]

Nitohk is lady of the lake confirmed

[woven coyote]

She doestn spit gold and silver when you throw rocks at her tho

[fast dew]

She might

[humble sierra]

Probably blood and physical manifestations of pain

[zenith ore]

Hey who is Alice? A cheap version of the stalker?

Saw her on sp

[fast dew]

.. malice?

[zenith ore]

I don't remember it was yesterday

[fast dew]

It was probably just Malice, an acolyte

[zenith ore]

An who

[fast dew]

A group of stalker fans who are attacking you for Alad V's shenanigans from memory

[zenith ore]

Breh

Did you get them apples?

[fast dew]

Whuh. Nk

[zenith ore]

[prime jungle]

whats the game lore pre orokin?

like what happens to earth cause it just seems abandoned

[fast dew]

18 radiation wars.

Nuked the shit out of the earth cuz of the infestation

[prime jungle]

holy wtf?

18 lmao

[fast dew]

18 times

[prime jungle]

27 nuke wounds

[fast dew]

I KNOW THAT REFERENCE

[prime jungle]

shit it was supposed to be 28

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/slam-table-28stab-wounds-connor-dbh-detroit-become-human-gif-17801169

[fast dew]

I got it regardless lol

Oh yeah have. You played the hex quest? Cuz that has stuff pre-orokin

[prime jungle]

"When I confront the cannibal caveman (named Tweny) who ate my friend (Woud)"

[prime jungle]

yeah thats why I was curious

also the major religion seems to be sol and lua?

[fast dew]

Mhm. Dualism

[prime jungle]

sol and lua I am guessing is just sun and moon

[fast dew]

You get to learn more if you have the devil's triad unlocked [by doing the old peace]

[prime jungle]

yeah I am done with all the main quests

[prime jungle]

yeah marie talks a lot about it

[fast dew]

Lyon does a little too, but you gotta get closer to marie for him to yap

[prime jungle]

all I got out of him is his childhood

which wasnt fun to know ig

[fast dew]

Yeah it was. Pretty traumatic

[prime jungle]

yeah prolly one of the more sadder characters tbh

[fast dew]

Mmhm.

[scenic oar]

So, what happened to drifter/tenno sibling, specifically a sibling

[lean garden]

your choice

you either had a sibling or didnt

and they died on the zariman if you had one

[scenic oar]

The chat just indicates don't want to talk about it

Chance of survival?

[lean garden]

none

[scenic oar]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-john-cena-ru-sure-about-dat-gif-14258954

[lean garden]

given that the only option drifter can provide for if they had a sibling indicates quite clearly that they didnt make it, yea, Im quite sure

[zenith ore]

Didn't wally save them all? (oprator).
And saved all of the tennos in the other verse except the drifter?

[tall echo]

Sibling might've been too old to count as a kid for the deal

[lean garden]

or sibling died before the deal

the sibling not that important, since theyre very much optional flavour text

[tall echo]

And wally didn't really make it impossible for the kids to die anyways

[lean garden]

would be quite the skill issue

given space magic and still die to the ungabunga

[tall echo]

They could barely control it tbf

[zenith ore]

How th do u even know the drifter had a sibling

[lean garden]

its an option you can choose while bumbling about the KIMS

[zenith ore]

[swift sentinel]

Kids would have died immediately, if they were with their parents before the deal was made

[zenith ore]

@ocean geyser what was it huh? Admit it, I know you sent something

[ocean geyser]

Huh

[zenith ore]

Ah shi I think it was the reaction not a text

[ocean geyser]

😭

[zenith ore]

Mb

[fast dew]

Thats funny lol

[smoky gulch]

It's kinda wild how the only exploration of "Tenno are teens forced to fight" is in Jade obituary with her memories

Unless I'm missing something

[fast dew]

There's a few moments in kims but tbh, they really don't touch on it

I like to think that the operator's insistence on not being called a kid in the war within is supposed to remind us that. We are a child

Same with how Loid treats us in the old peace

[smoky gulch]

Not to mention Tenno weren't child soldiers, they were supposed to be exocolonists, far from origin's strife

At least that was the plan

[fast dew]

There's. A lot of glorification

[smoky gulch]

Obviously; exoplanet up for terraformation wouldn't be friendly to first generation

[fast dew]

I was gonna say about what the tenno are but that too

[smoky gulch]

Zariman interludes do present it like Tenno were given quite idyllic upbringing until it all went to dirt

[pale cedar]

There’s that one Kim convo where you can say a bit about your life early on like being rich

[cunning ore]

I think Tenno really really rich

To compare with real-life, they sure have such a fortune

[narrow pendant]

the arbiters sent me their deathsquad now 3 missions in a row I GET IT YOU HATE ME

[ocean geyser]

It’s almost like we do neither of those and quote transcriptions from the game or official websites when we can

Bait or grineer brain ahh message

[idle fog]

weird idea: the God Warframe.

[dark compass]

That's kinda racist

[idle fog]

I've been yapping myself to honkai lore and I just imagine if you get one of them Herrschers into becoming warframes

[fast dew]

Can't exactly

Have one idea of god without others being not represented

[rigid compass]

Still think yall come up with some weird ideas but ight

If I get time ill prob go through dialogue and wtv

[idle fog]

ETERNALISM

[cunning ore]

cool eternalism

are we about to talk of it?

[idle fog]

speaking of which I wonder if that's just DE's way of explain the stuff that got retconned or shit throughout updates

I've been looking myself up with like super early versions of the game and a lot seems to have changed

[dark compass]

I'm going to eternalism myself

[cunning ore]

With Eternalism, what you see in the past is another past of another Presentism

With Eternalism, what you seen that you might see currently could be because of you being in another Present that in it, That past not in your Present

So, in short, what the hell is that?

[cunning ore]

By Eternalism, he became deeply in love of Eternalism types

That will triggering Roathe and i would love to see that expression of himself

And by Eternalism, that habit of my not happen

[fast dew]

Mm, can you name a perceived Retcon?

[idle fog]

idk if retcon is the right word for example

but like changes in let's say bosses

for example the sgt nef anyo -> the sergeant and then nef anyo is like a different person

[fast dew]

Mm, no that would count as one i feel. But that depends on when that was changed

[idle fog]

or even gameplay mechanics tbh

did warframes/tenno just suddenly learn parkour 2.0 moves lol

[fast dew]

Eh, that one can be explained away by. That not actually. Occurring

Retcons only really apply to lore and story

Gameplay mechanics aren't. Really included

[pale cedar]

The only real way for a gameplay mechanic to be a retcon is if it was given a lore reason which was then changed to be something completely different

There’s many things in gaming in general that don’t make sense if you try applying gameplay to lore

[fast dew]

Nodders

[smoky gulch]

For these moments where you need to really drive the point home, sloppily made XATA NUKE

Featuring trio of Hex's sextet

[fast dew]

AWH ITS CUTE

[smoky gulch]

I could trim it better, but it's goofy

[fast dew]

Nawh its cute

[rigid compass]

I mean if you really want a reason u could say its cause they were frozen for so long and forgot their skills but relearned it. New tenno that awaken just got lucky and didnt forget or the lotus realized she should've taught that from the start and did that for new tenno that awaken.

[iron coral]

which youtuber is better to explain all the lore in warframe?

[fast dew]

I wouldn't recommend any. I suggest replaying quests or reading their transcripts on the orokin archives
https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[ocean geyser]

Like what

[twin wigeon]

Wait

How would Eleanor drink coffee with her infested tongue

Carefully ig

[pale cedar]

By shaving the tongue to human standards first

[fast dew]

Maybe its like a proboscis

[twin wigeon]

A what

[fast dew]

Proboscis

[dark compass]

Uhh

[twin wigeon]

Is that like those mosquito tongues?

[dark compass]

You know how insects have tubes

[fast dew]

Ye

[twin wigeon]

Oh so like a straw?

[dark compass]

As "mouths"

[fast dew]

That, butterflies have em too

[dark compass]

Yes like a straw

[twin wigeon]

Hm

Oh but would she even taste the coffee? Since her tastebuds are kinda gone?

[dark compass]

Are you sure they are gone

[twin wigeon]

No? But like her tongue kinda elongates and is covered in infested bumps and such

I kinda assume they’re gone but maybe they’d multiply and grow on her new long tongue

[zenith ore]

Do proto frames need food anyway 🤔

[tall echo]

They need to use the toilet, they presumably need to eat

[twin wigeon]

I mean they eat pizza

[loud oriole]

-# square spaghetti…

[tall echo]

That was one time just for the drifter

[zenith ore]

They have that? I didn't know I thought they were like cyborg, I think even cyborg have sum

[tall echo]

It's from a convo with eleanor
Go use the KIM more and turn on play all conversations option

[zenith ore]

I still Need to level em up

[tall echo]

That's very easy ngl, I have like 3 days worth of standing items even though I don't have anything left to get from them

[narrow pendant]

if you have glasses, you already pass the definition as cyborg

[twin wigeon]

i just spam those antivirus bounties

easy 2-3 bounties to max standing

[queen shale]

Headcanon that operator is bilingual and can speak sentient

[twin wigeon]

Hm

How is that we understand people? Is all their dialogue just run thru a translator perhaps with some phrase not translating properly?

Like the ostrons have a different language than the grineer and the corpus speak differently than the solaris supposedly?

[pale cedar]

Almost everyone is speaking English though

[twin wigeon]

I mean the grineer do be saying things like Tenno skoom which might just be bad English for Tenno scum? And the ostrons do have their own language + counting system

[pale cedar]

It’s all variations of English

[twin wigeon]

Oh well

That is fair enough ig

[pale cedar]

Murmur speaking Voidtounge so far is the only known non English language

[twin wigeon]

True

[queen shale]

What about the dreadnaught song

From what I heard the lyrics are sentient speak

[fast dew]

Thats sentient yeah

But i suppose the sentient language would be derived from english

[zenith ore]

Could the sentients just adapted to our language

[queen shale]

This to me is why we can understand adis but its kinda broken English, its a literal translation of sentient words and thats what our operator is understanding from them

[pale cedar]

We don’t have enough on the Sentient language tbh

[fast dew]

Adis struggling with english was so cute

[queen shale]

Ikr!

[fast dew]

Hes my little brother i love him :(

Him and thrax fr my lil bros

[queen shale]

I also just like interpreting the opposite since it would make since that theyre both tryna make an effort with each others languages

[stiff fable]

They speak the universal language: English.

God dbz abridged was so good

[warm palm]

So are there just like generic warframes ie people injected with non-specific helminth to see what happens to them? Cause warframes like valkyr and lavos both have lore that say they only got their abilities some time after they became a warframe, not purposebuilt abilities that are given upon becoming a warframe ie Excalibur

[strange turtle]

Unknown

I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened, and it presumably did at some point while they were actually developing and testing the helminth, but the details of that kind of stuff doesn’t come up

[fast dew]

Eh, Valkyr was a functional warframe before she got skinned, her... deluxe i believe is her actual body before it got yoinked

[zenith ore]

What happened to him in the end?

[fast dew]

Adis?

||He. He died||

[zenith ore]

No shi Sherlock, but is that it? Did he infuse with us? It seemed like his essence was attached to us? Or sum like that?

[woven coyote]

I just headcannon it as helminth strain propagating changes to others of the same batch, what with how it kinda is just aware of all its parts throughout time

But we dont have an official veredict no

[warm palm]

Ive seen the skin and it looks neat, im just confused why Valkyr doesnt come with it by default unless Valkyr wasnt mass produced like other early warframes and is a unique warframe (like lavos). Or unless alad v somehow flayed every single unprimed Valkyr made in the same ways, which doesnt really seem feasible

[woven coyote]

Which is why helminth just propagating changes itself sounds more plausible

[fast dew]

Mm, from memory my personal favourite theory has something to do with the way helminth works, it can warp the warframe strain, permanently, like how Mirage warped her strain

And. The valkyr blueprint we get from that alad missions is probably the skinned one lol

[warm palm]

Ooohhh, i forgot about that

That would make sense then

[onyx compass]

might be a stupid question but was Kullervo turned into a warframe before or after doing his crimes? From what I gather his lore leaves a lot up to interpretation and being stuck in duviri certainly doesn't help with that at all

[woven coyote]

Before

[woven coyote]

Pretty clear he became a warframe before the crimes

New generation of your kind

As in warframes that were set to be controlled by tenno

[onyx compass]

ah thanks, must've missed that

[woven coyote]

Also this crime lines up with ballas about the first warframes being disposed of

[celest needle]

Why don't the corpus and grineer just

Stop sending their guys into the orokin towers

It's not working

[woven coyote]

Prize is too great

Plus the artifacts in some corpus places(i think) and the kuva fortress (this one i remember for sure) implies they have some success

And well, leadership in both factions considers soldiers expendable

[fast dew]

The corpus sent folk down into the necralisk after entrati shit before, i imagine they think they can do it to the towers in the void

The difference being. One is protected by necramechs and a very pissed off butler, the other yoinks your mind and forces it into the neural sentry

Id rather death by necramech than being neural sentry'd

[pale cedar]

Shall we test that theory?

[fast dew]

Aint a theory its a wish, least I could gleam some form of information if its a test mech

[twin wigeon]

I wonder what data granum is gleaming from the stuff Drusus is giving him

[fast dew]

Selling shit

[twin wigeon]

I don’t think I used gleaming right

[fast dew]

I doubt Loid just lets parvos have anything actually important

[twin wigeon]

That is fair

But what stuff of Albrecht is not important?

His yaoi collection maybe?

[fast dew]

"Here's a really super important dohicky"

[fast dew]

Netracoils, cabling, obols, archon shards...

[twin wigeon]

Archon shards

[woven coyote]

I imagine loid throwing obols at parvos and parvos just going full gollum

[tall echo]

he has a lot of em

or. had? does it still count as owned if the owner left with the intent to never return

[strange turtle]

Loid flinging obols in the air and richoshotting with the Zylok Prime

[stiff fable]

heh

[humble sierra]

Gleaning is the word you're looking for, gleaming means shiny

[celest needle]

If you shine a disco ball into the labs would that blind someone?

[tall echo]

considering those don't emit light... probably not

[celest needle]

They don't?

I mean reflecting it

[tall echo]

disco balls generally are just big globes covered in tiny mirrors

[stiff fable]

in other words, send Gara in and you'd blind everyone

[restive river]

Mirage?

She’s the mirror frame
She has a disco ball

She’s also sorta the light frame ig
All in a jester outfit

[stiff fable]

that reminds me they need to fix Prism Guard

[fast dew]

V1 loid... and necraloid as V2.......

[twin wigeon]

Holy ball reference

[ashen pulsar]

mirage = light/clown
follie = ink/painter/clown

themes

its cool when you can separate the themes that went into designing a frame

[woven coyote]

mirage is a mix between smoke and mirrors and jester

[civic forum]

is kullervo imprisoned by the conceptual embodiment of his guilt? what does bro have to feel guilty for? he did nothing wrong

[twin wigeon]

You forget who he committed the crimes for and against

Aka the Orokin

[civic forum]

exactly. which means he has no reason to feel guilt

[twin wigeon]

2 separate counts of treason, espionage, murder, attempted regicide, fleeing from justice, cowardice, are some of his crimes i think

[twin wigeon]

He’s guilty mostly for killing his mother, Archimedean Ahniki or smth

He does have things to be guilty for, like betraying the orokin by whispering plots against them to the Tenno and then not defending the Tenno, or murdering a orokin noble in a futile attempt to gain favor with Ballas

[stiff fable]

It's not his guilt but his anger, sorrow and fear that imprison him

His regrets, really.

[civic forum]

kullervo did nothing wrong

as in, based on what we know of the orokin, why would he himself feel bad for doing any of that? of course the orokin would sentence him for those crimes, but why would he himself accept that verdict?

[twin wigeon]

And instead of being convicted and facing punishment for his crimes of killing Ahniki he ran away from the situation instead of seeking redemption or restitution. His guilt is twisted and sad.

[clever linden]

Does anybody know what melee weapon this Mag Prime has and if it’s any good?

[daring tusk]

Do you think when nekros was a young boy, did his father take him to the city to see a marching band?

[twin wigeon]

Think about it, Kullervo murdered a Orokin noble for the favor of Ballas, and is attached to Archimedean Ahniki like a mother. Kullervo could be autistic like Rell in that he can’t gauge emotions and is impulsive, which I think explains his haphazard plans. But being cast out by the person he wanted to please and admired would cause him to shut down and self exile (in the void)

[civic forum]

orthos prime. its pretty good

[twin wigeon]

And so he hyperfixates on all that earned him scorned, his crimes specifically. Holding a sort of clone of Ballas as a warden to ensure he is punished for his wrongdoings even if what he did didn’t cause him personal guilt.

He likely even created the kids that sort of haunt his island in mockery of him

[twin wigeon]

Nah nekros was 100% fatherless hence the emo aesthetic /j

Like I said Kullervo is a tragic and sad warframe of rejection and self hatred

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/g-note-mcr-my-chemical-romance-black-parade-welcome-to-the-black-parade-gif-27250616

emo twink with dorito body

[stiff fable]

Though it's worth noting that the seventh of Kullervo's prisons is empty

[drowsy saddle]

He's just a silly lil guy

[stiff fable]

The one accused of attacking Ballas

(he broke out to run it back)

[twin wigeon]

my theory on thatt is that he's already paid penance on that, by exiling himself in tthe void somehow

[stiff fable]

My suspicion is that it's going to be Kullervo Prime

Because the Kullervo we know is the one who's been changed by falling through the Void already

[twin wigeon]

mmm

can't wait to see my gilded cactus frame

[drowsy saddle]

You think we can grill cactus on his void wisps?

[lean garden]

eh? The whole prison and the kullervos are all from a singular kullervos brain

theres only one kullervo who did all the "crimes"

[drowsy saddle]

Like revenant has a flameo hothead helmet, i fashioned it too look like a ceremonial fire pit

[drowsy saddle]

Kullervo Prime trailer is just the drifter and KullP doing a prison break movie

[twin wigeon]

maybe our Kullervo is the kullervo that is stripped of all its orokin gold regalia, seeing as he felt unfit to wear itt

[clever linden]

Thx, bought it in recommendation

[stiff fable]

Yes, I think the original Kullervo who went after Ballas was Kullervo Prime.

[lean garden]

Ah

Im going to just say Ive never believed in prime degradation

because thats the necessary assumption for this

[stiff fable]

I actually agree but Kullervo is the one frame where it seems both probable and likely

Because he was on the run for decades/centuries

[radiant pier]

after a thousand years, making crappy repairs or shoddy replicas seem plausible

in all honesty I'm just confused as to who's piloting these Warframes in the modern era

[stiff fable]

So he'd remove the gilding for stealth/to pay his way/because it broke off

[radiant pier]

WHOOOOO was that Chroma

[stiff fable]

Almost certainly it was Hunhow

[lean garden]

thats the problem tho, you cant really repair your way from an iPhone 17 pro to iPhone 17e yknow?

[stiff fable]

But Chroma's slotted under infestation so I like to say it was actually the Infestation trying to bury the beacon that would wake Hunhow up

[stiff fable]

Right, but if you replace the screen, jailbreak it, replace the backing and install custom firmware you're not really using a iPhone anymore

[rare scarab]

is there lore behind why the orokin didn’t colonize a lot more planets than what we see? Too busy with Sentient War?

[stiff fable]

They couldn't reach them

[rare scarab]

other than tau ofc

[humble sierra]

Yeah that was the big thing with Tau

[lean garden]

you might wanna sharpen that argument there, if its no longer an iphone that would kinda defeat the purpose

[humble sierra]

Prime of Theseus ahh

[stiff fable]

Not really, if Primes are iPhones

[rare scarab]

ig i’d have to see just how far the other planets are

[lean garden]

primes are iphone Pros

[stiff fable]

Maybe regular Warframes are Android devices

[lean garden]

based are iPhones/iPhones E

[feral sapphire]

oh my gosh its always ballas

[rare scarab]

They should have a npc tenno who does experiments with all the tech they have

[stiff fable]

Basically just colonizing Tau required the Sentients to travel for several decades/centuries, there wasn't any reason to try for others that would be even less convenient

[ashen pulsar]

it's all his fault

[rare scarab]

how did they chose tau again?

[stiff fable]

We have no idea

[lean garden]

close enough ig

Tau in scifi is usually one of the closest

you see it in scifi all the time

[feral sapphire]

i await his suffering

[lean garden]

Marathon, Project Hail Mary are some of the latest examples

[stiff fable]

Alpha Centauri is the closest star iirc

Marathon
Latest

Ok Durandal...

[lean garden]

*Latest emergences

neither Marathon and PHM's ip are new

[stiff fable]

Haha, sorry couldn't resist

[lean garden]

but theyve got a good refresh this year

I need to play more Marathon

had a good bit of fun

[stiff fable]

I hope Marathon isn't going to get Concord'd

The people who like it really like it

[fast dew]

Sometimes its Albrecht

Accidentally though

Mostly

[fast dew]

Thats. A completely different warframe

Not a prime version of a warframe

Thats a whole other warframe

And the same logic would apply

[stiff fable]

But it happens a bunch to regular frames, is the thing

Revenant takes a bath in the eidolon pool and comes out a different Warframe

Valkyr gets cut up and comes out a different Warframe

[fast dew]

Can't. Really downgrade Samsung phones when they're physically different shapes between their base and pro versions

You can force it between the two

But it won't be the same one

[fast dew]

Thats. Not what we're talking about

You could've made the argument with Valkyr being skinned even in her prime

We're talking about a direct upgrade of the same frame

[stiff fable]

It's related though, because it would be harder to do a full conversion

[fast dew]

Eh

Not. Particularly imo

[stiff fable]

The difference between prime and normal is mostly cosmetic

With marginal statistical differences

[fast dew]

The warframe strain can just get warped by significant events, causing malformations

[stiff fable]

Right, and that creates a brand new Warframe

Which is a much more major change

[fast dew]

Do. You have evidence of what the other previous warframe looked like?

Because. Valkyr isn't one of those

[ashen pulsar]

his death was far too quick

[fast dew]

We have her other skin and she's. Similar to what she actually looks like

Shes just [shocker] missing her skin

[stiff fable]

Eh kinda?

[ashen pulsar]

odd that it did something to the prime

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Valkyr_Gersemi_Skin#Portrait

[fast dew]

Yeah thats. Her missing her skin in comparison

[ashen pulsar]

and with some metal parts added

[fast dew]

which could be post. Skin removal

[ashen pulsar]

most likely

[fast dew]

She survived after her skin got yoinked

Or. For a bit

Not for much longer but yk

[ashen pulsar]

but yeah its weird that her prime would have the same abilities, lore-wise

[fast dew]

My guess is that. What effects the base strain will affect the prime strain

[humble sierra]

Directive 8020

[fast dew]

If. They're based on that strain

[humble sierra]

Project Hail Mary is especially funny because it's about Earth dying and Tau being salvation

[ashen pulsar]

doesn't make sense. primes were different strains and valkyr's prime strain existed before modern valkyr

[fast dew]

Do we know that for sure?

[humble sierra]

also a peak movie overall go watch it amaze amaze amaze

[ashen pulsar]

great book and movie tho

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-project-hail-mary-rocky-rocky-project-hail-mary-absolute-cinema-gif-9228846522669207404

[fast dew]

Harrow prime would still be affected by what the base harrow was experiencing with Rell, isn't that the implication of that chat with lyon?

And. As far as im aware we do not know what Valkyr prime looked like before the modern era

[ashen pulsar]

well yeah
if we obtain its' blueprints from orokin relics, then it's older than the base strain, which was modified by alad very recently

[fast dew]

That doesn't mean much to helminth :p

[humble sierra]

I think the issue with dumping lore, especially Void lore, in KIMs is that sometimes it's a bit too confusing in text format

[lean garden]

hang on, I would like to caveat that kitty prime does not look anymore skinned than gersemi does

[fast dew]

If helminth is producing the frames, the warped strain is gonna continue to be warped

[stiff fable]

Yeah the description says she's unscarred by time

[fast dew]

Her back has the flayed part iirc

[humble sierra]

Back is slightly flayed

But her "exposed" skin is the same as the rest of her

[lean garden]

I need to see a picture

[ashen pulsar]

it doesn't retroactively affect the blueprints of a different frame tho

[stiff fable]

Excuse me, "time and malice"

[fast dew]

Kinda looks like salmon tbh

[lean garden]

because like, full frontal, has kitty look like a whole meal

[fast dew]

It affected the harrow strain retroactively

[ashen pulsar]

is harrow, the strain, changed by rell?

[lean garden]

the shape of the warframe? no, even based on lyons experiences all we see is a change of the warframes internal world, not its external shape

[radiant pier]

I choose peace.

[ashen pulsar]

my theory is that valkyr, as the "berserker" frame, was designed to gain power through pain

[fast dew]

Mhm, connected. Lyon is experiencing his wally based hallucinations because of his. Specific strain

[fast dew]

Id be able to turn her around if I wasn't being smart and at college 💔

[ashen pulsar]

so they would have done it to make her more dangerous in her prime, and it could potentially make for a far more powerful zanuka in alad's eyes

controlled torture

[lean garden]

funny enough, aint say who's pain (looking at you passive)

[humble sierra]

Woe, mobile upon ye

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/valkyr-warframe-valkyr-prime-steel-path-nudles-gif-11723529767079496468

[fast dew]

Now turn around her deluxe

[humble sierra]

Which one?

[lean garden]

im so sorry but I actually need more pixels LMAO

[ashen pulsar]

I think theyre talking about the heirloom, unrelated to her being flayed

[lean garden]

gersemi?

[humble sierra]

Don't blame me, blame an iPhone for not having the same quality as a 72 inch OLEd

[lean garden]

specifically around the "flayed" area because it looks like the "flayed" part is mirrored, meaning that ballas a freak who really designed her as such

[ashen pulsar]

im working on a theory... I just need to see the cake to make sure... hm...

please take 7-12 detailed screenshots in captura, this is for lore purposes

[lean garden]

yeap exactly what I thought

[humble sierra]

Comparatively Gersemi has nothing on her back

[lean garden]

well, not nothing

[humble sierra]

Any last requests because my phone is gonna blow up

[lean garden]

but you must see a pattern has emerged

I submit that Valkitty prime, does not require any infestation cross-temporal strain altering hijinks to be perfectly reasonable to exist in her state

[humble sierra]

Wowzwers this week's sale is peak

[lean garden]

Now you see, how would Alad V know to pick valkyr of all warframes?

[ashen pulsar]

its about the abilities, not the aesthetics

[lean garden]

I submit now: Alad was there when Valkyr prime was first present

[ashen pulsar]

why does valkyr prime have the same abilities as valkyr is what im asking

[lean garden]

aint nothing to it, came with the xbox

[fast dew]

WAOH

How much is the kalymi skin set.....

[humble sierra]

Wtf that's basically nothing

[ashen pulsar]

its important
realistically, valkyr should not have the same abilities as the prime if the prime was not tortured

[humble sierra]

I was expecting her to cost like 105

[daring tusk]

Remind me again whats the deal with the hippies and how do they control ancients

[glacial bough]

Her abilities aren't a result of torture

[ashen pulsar]

they are

[fast dew]

Oh shit

[humble sierra]

They don't control ancients, they just have specters (like holographic clones) of ancients

[fast dew]

I already have it but

Good to inform my mate who doesn't

[lean garden]

I dont think thats the necessarily "realistic" scenario

[lean garden]

is that stated somewhere? that her kit was a result of her time with the salad

[humble sierra]

I bought the Sanctum bundle, very glad I also got the Grimoire hold lectern Decoration thingy, it looks sick as hell in the backrooms

[lean garden]

because if not, could very well come with the xbox

[humble sierra]

Her berserker status is a result of the torture, but I think that's old lore

Before they realized Warframes could just be designed with abilities lorewise

[glacial bough]

It's not quite old lore, the belief is fom her codex blurb iirc

[stiff fable]

because DE came up with the concept first and don't care as much about continuity as we do

[lean garden]

JUST LET SALAD BE TORMIS/SCARNE DAMNIT

[humble sierra]

Nah it's funnier if he's a pathetic nobody

[ashen pulsar]

"valkyr was modified into a highly motivated and fearsome killer"
"Valkyr was crafted from torment, Tenno"
I think there were some other quotes but I forget

[humble sierra]

Unless Scarne/Tormis was the butt monkey of the executors too

[lean garden]

no you see its funnier if hes one of the Seven and yet still is a pathetic nobody

[glacial bough]

only way he could be a Seven is if he lobotomized himself

[lean garden]

Nuh uh, he just gotta win an oscar

[ashen pulsar]

"I was actually pretending to be an absolute dumbass"

[glacial bough]

Tell that to mutalist alad

[ashen pulsar]

he's actually only 70% dumbass

[lean garden]

committed to the bit

but also, why else do you think he got us to cure him? Can't do continuity while infested

totally not because it posed a great threat to his life in the moment

[stiff fable]

Doylist reason, DE realized there wasn't anywhere for him to go as an infested

[lean garden]

thats it really

anyways, they dont necessarily specify that the warframe

1. Had a different set of abilities prior
2. Had her current set of abilities given by salad

-# This is what happens when steve/rebb literally went "we'll figure out the lore later"

-# like that was genuinely what happened when valkyr prime was revealed in a devstream

[stiff fable]

What you're saying is that after Garuda lore we get Valkyr lore

[lean garden]

no Valkyr already got lore with her trailer

literally minumum reqs

[ashen pulsar]

they basically said that valkyr was turned into who she is by salad. to be fair, I doubt they were thinking of any prime lore or something, but they are acting like base version's a product of salad's experiments

[lean garden]

*were acting then

obviously that doesnt need to hold now

since kitty prime also been through the wringer

as per what her trailer suggests

[ashen pulsar]

tbh the prime trailer just sounds like infested madnesss

[lean garden]

not entirely

"trapped and tortured" brings to mind rhino prime codex

where they were just outright experimenting and torturing warframes just to figure out what went wrong

[stiff fable]

Our long deathless winter has left us numb. Our wasted animal within, ugly and gaunt, hibernates beneath our shimmering beauty. Why do these Warframes stir us so? They burn with our lost desires, lost instincts. Tenno tamed, but only just. Cast and hunted as game. Trapped and tortured, yet they remain... animals.

[daring tusk]

Can we theoretically transference to the gigantic primes in the sky in perita boss fight

[stiff fable]

In the Valkyr Prime trailer he mentions Tenno, so it'd be after that time

[stiff fable]

Seems like a great way to get Ascaris'd

[strange plinth]

they have ascaris primes active in em
probably not
either bad effects on us or it just Won't Work

[lean garden]

yes, but it dont mean the practise stops yknow?

The whole brutalising warframes to figure out what monstrosity you invited onto the workd

[fast dew]

Lore chat, my first unserious lore question for today

Do we think Albrecht would like ham and cheese toasties, if so, would he also put mayonnaise on it before or after the toasting

Im totally not asking because im making one and I need to justify making food by doing this

[lean garden]

Albrecht, being a man of science would know that its a bad idea to sauce up toast before putting it in a toaster

Albrecht, being a man of mad science would do it anyway to see what happens

[fast dew]

He is. Right

I am sitting here, with mayonnaise all over my calf, because it lost its viscosity from the heat.

Albrecht would make a mess of the toastie machine tho

i. Am having a evil day.

[radiant pier]

wait why do you put it before toasting

[fast dew]

I dropped my phone in the mayonnaise.

[fast dew]

Cuz its weird to separate a ham and cheese toastie

[radiant pier]

is the purpose to also make the mayonnaise....toasted

[restive river]

Albrecht’s the pineapple on pizza type of guy
But like
Canned pineapple

[radiant pier]

wait why do you sound surprised about the loss of viscosity

ew

I like pineapple on my pizza sometimes but canned?

[fast dew]

IDK ITS NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE

[radiant pier]

throw yourself into the raw void itself

[fast dew]

Do you expect him to waste a whole pineapple

[restive river]

Pineapple on pizza slaps
When it’s fresh

[restive river]

Yes
I expect every Orokin to be wasteful
Even the wet rat one

[fast dew]

Cmon hes the resourceful one, he'd use less so there's less waste, or he'd. Use the rest of the pineapple. For... something

[restive river]

A lot of the Orokin we’ve met are resourceful too lol

[fast dew]

Yeau but they waste cuz of their pride, Albrecht would throw away waste because it can't be used in any other application

See: the cavia

At. At the same time

I think we are overestimating this man's ability to cook

[obsidian vigil]

Do y'all think the giant sentient in the plains is closer related to hunhow model or Adis' giant humanoid form model?

[fast dew]

Are we sure he wouldn't. Accidentally blow something up cuz. Idk the power port is a different amount of power than the machine

[fast dew]

Adis only looks humanoid cuz of a mask

He has a face similar to the dactolyst

OHHH

[strange plinth]

iirc the sentient/eidolons are closer in appearance to the hunhullus than they are to hunhow

[obsidian vigil]

I meant the giant form that looks like Albrecht vessels

[fast dew]

You mean the hunhullus lol

[obsidian vigil]

Yeah I forgot the name

[fast dew]

Uhh. Yeah probably

[obsidian vigil]

Cuz we only see a silhouette of the plains sentient

[restive river]

It may have been similar

Unknown if there’s any relationship

[lean garden]

eh? where did we get that from

[strange plinth]

i have no idea
currently looking for it

[lean garden]

the remnants of the plains sentient has those crabby structures hunhow had

[strange plinth]

what was it that was closer to hunhullus than hunhow
i swear it was something related to the plains

am i just thinking of the eidolons because they have the synovia

[lean garden]

but they all got synovias

[fast dew]

Uhhh can I ask what a synovia is

[dark compass]

It's the big sentient weak spots on their joints

[restive river]

Hey where did the plains sentient come from?
Did it come over on grandma?

[fast dew]

Ohhhhhh

[dark compass]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synovial_fluid

Inspired by this

[fast dew]

Awesome..

[dark compass]

We're hitting their joints

[stiff fable]

As far as we know they all did

[restive river]

Oh that’s cool!

[restive river]

To be clear, all of the sentients that came over during the war before Hunhow broke the rail, yes?

[fast dew]

Aohh thats the goop that has the bubbles that make my joints crack :D

-# ever stand up and that shit audibly crunches

[stiff fable]

To the best of our knowledge

[fast dew]

Oh ye how did. Hunhow break the rail btw cuz. I imagine he just ran into it full speed

[restive river]

Cool
Ty

[stiff fable]

The Plains Sentient is an interesting one though because Onkko claims the sun burned it

[fast dew]

The. The sun

Is it. Just padparadscha that can withstand the sun or

[stiff fable]

No, it might be that this sentient had extra void burns or something

[strange turtle]

There was no space left inside Praghasa so it clung on the outside

[fast dew]

Maybe. Maybe its just the suneater can withstand the sun better than other sentients

[stiff fable]

The Sentient was a deformed creature, twisted and massive, sent from some dark fold of distant space, a warped thing wounded by daylight.

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Fragments/Glass

[fast dew]

They deadass were just obliterated by the sun

[stiff fable]

Honestly does Gara have the second most lore of any Warframe after Umbra

[fast dew]

Well, not obliterated but

Eh, id say that like. Dante is pretty up there, Kullevro too

[stiff fable]

Yeah who knew there was a lore reason for the eidolons only coming out at night

[fast dew]

[stiff fable]

Kullervo is actually close yeah

[celest needle]

Dagath

[stiff fable]

Dante is really not, he's got a Leverian and a mission node

[fast dew]

Yeah, her too

[celest needle]

Garuda

[stiff fable]

Incomplete Leverian actually, it's empty

[fast dew]

Nah, he has. A lot

[celest needle]

Temple

[fast dew]

The leveraian isnt particularly normal compared to others imo

[celest needle]

Protea

[stiff fable]

No, looking at it there's less than I thought

[fast dew]

Hm?

[stiff fable]

We just have his complete story but it's fairly abbreviated

[fast dew]

Is. That also not kullevro?

[stiff fable]

Actually no

[fast dew]

Does. He have duviri fragments i missed or

[dark compass]

Investing into it early

Wise choice

Protea also got a good bunch of story to her

[fast dew]

True

[plucky geyser]

if the Grinear speaks a different language that's not english, why in railjack misions they speak english then?

[dark compass]

Babel fish

[fast dew]

They speak english, just. A stronger dialect

[dark compass]

[plucky geyser]

ah

[fast dew]

Tenno skoom or whatever

[dark compass]

Omg it's Follie

Huge fan of your art

[plucky geyser]

thank you, thank you

[dark compass]

[plucky geyser]

i put time and effort

[dark compass]

It's important

It's worth it, it's brilliant

A true master of the craft

[fast dew]

Follie do you confirm or deny the allegations that your therapy technique was used to interrogate the orphaned children of the zariman?

[celest needle]

Like English mixed with alien Germanic language

[fast dew]

Or. Or its deadass german

Looks at Albrecht

[plucky geyser]

hmmm, maybe i did maybe i didn't. i did.

crap i meant to reply to the other mesage

shhhhhh

[celest needle]

There's also Ballas and NIHIL

[fast dew]

Wife mentioned [nihil]

[celest needle]

Glass

[celest needle]

I think Orokin decide whatever name sounds the coolest

[fast dew]

Yeah they probably do lol

Though Albrecht has more than his name that implies he's closer to german descent

-# a childhood nickname

[celest needle]

Is Kermerros german

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-pet-cat-cat-pet-cute-cat-gif-24810247

[fast dew]

-# from his mother

[dark compass]

It's okay

[plucky geyser]

What if the Orokin noticed what Ballas has been doing and actually charged him?

[celest needle]

That'd require them to charge the other seven

[fast dew]

Albrecht was called little bengel as a kid, by his mother

[fast dew]

They could've slimed him, but the other members of the seven probably just favoured using it as blackmail

[plucky geyser]

hmm

[fast dew]

Yes bengel, not bengal like the cat

[dark compass]

Yeah it would just be turned into blackmail

Oh you had plans to kill us all, clever

I think everyone had something like that on their mind

[plucky geyser]

So Ballas is just a favorite?

[dark compass]

It'll probably even warrant a bit of underlying respect

[fast dew]

Ballas would make himself seem more powerful in comparison to the seven by being a fencesitter

[dark compass]

But it's also insolence so he's now on a leash

[celest needle]

So they were German!

[dark compass]

Little bagel

[fast dew]

Little cream cheese bagel..

[fast dew]

Albrecht's mother might’ve been yeah

[dark compass]

Nitohk upon learning Ballas' plan

https://tenor.com/view/why-didn't-i-think-of-that-mrboss-smiling-friends-frowning-friends-of-course-gif-14810131280811766713

[fast dew]

Funny to me that he was called little brat/rascal by his mum lol

Its cute, humanising

[plucky geyser]

Oh, wait. What if Kullvero (Idk how to spell his name) never did is 7 crimes. What if Ballas blamed it on kullvero just to not seem guilty?

[fast dew]

He probably didnt do all of them, just. "Erm technically"'d his ass

[dark compass]

It's a bell curve

First you think he did them, then you think he didn't, then you realize that everything he did is justified

[plucky geyser]

warfrmae lore is crazy

[fast dew]

So many new names in lorechat today

[hallow vapor]

Anyone else cry cause of the jade shadows quest?

[dark compass]

You love to see it

[fast dew]

Wait until you learn of the child kidnapping used in the process of immortality for the orokin

[celest needle]

I did it while half asleep and was so mucking confused

[fast dew]

I. Didn't, but tbf I was on antidepressants and those make it. Notoriously hard to cry

I did get upset at the operator screaming if you messed up on the rhythm minigame

Guess who sucks at Rhythm minigames

[plucky geyser]

What if the kids never shook hands with the man in the wall? I think the kids got their void powers from it so would the children just die from the adults?

[celest needle]

Nonbinary David Bowie and their yandere guitar and time travel.

[fast dew]

Yeah pretty much

[fast dew]

Old man yaoi beats back the eldritch entity knocking in the walls

[hallow vapor]

Dang

I almost cried when I thought the stalker was gonna die too

[celest needle]

Cyborg slave debt colony on Jupiter and their hoverboard kid gang

[hallow vapor]

Luckily he's a single sad now

[fast dew]

Single sad 😭

That works too, he is a single sad

[hallow vapor]

Yes yes

[ashen pulsar]

so am I
no kids tho

[fast dew]

Child goes on a rampage through school after they nearly died cuz some flowers got obliterated because of an egg

[plucky geyser]

gng the warframe lore is lwk sad but these people just make me laugh.

gng even matpat would cry looking for more lore

[fast dew]

Its a grimdark world, but that doesn't mean we can't be silly

[celest needle]

Alternate reality fantasy realm creating adult saves a group of traumatized quirky rejects through Myspace and friendship

[plucky geyser]

yall explaining this like you saw a child get slimed out by a old man and explain it like it's your average tuesday

[fast dew]

Gay old grandfather throws animals in the void and gets upset when they start speaking tongues

[celest needle]

Have you done 1999 yet?

[plucky geyser]

yea

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17751004503897443807

Funny old guy

[fast dew]

It pretty much is for the games I play

[strange plinth]

*approaches rapidly*

[fast dew]

Gay old grandfather!

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17498260713109834464

THWRES THE MATCHING ONE

[celest needle]

Gay old butler step-grandfather refuses to accept his gay old grandfather (who has just caused a plague) is gone

[fast dew]

Nah nah nah hes the step-grandfather

[celest needle]

Corrected

[fast dew]

Old dude also has piercings and purple eyeliner

[humble sierra]

"You arrived too early"

[fast dew]

I. Do not have the image for the purple eyeliner

[fast dew]

"My bad arthur, daylight savings"

[fast dew]

LMFAO

[celest needle]

Man

What if The finale was during daylight savings

[fast dew]

Uhhh when is daylight savings in Europe

[celest needle]

begins on the last Sunday of March and ends on the last Sunday of October

[rigid compass]

A priest and nun help a alternate version of a devil child go into the mind of a blue guy with alzheimers to help him remember how much of a bum he is

[fast dew]

Ah so.

Albrecht forgot to adjust his clocks

Shrimple

[fast dew]

True

[celest needle]

Man child corpo breaks into time and space and sacrifices multiple human beings to learn his father thinks he's a disappointment

[rigid compass]

Old supersoldier tired of fighting giant pieces of a dead guy walks into lake and comes out a disco ball

[restive river]

We’re only a devil child to our abusive step-father who let our second mom die

Also to the meat wall, though they call us a slightly different version and it’s maybe more of an affectionate nickname?? Or alluding to what we hold within us

[radiant pier]

what

[strange plinth]

revenant, i believe

[humble sierra]

Man I want more badly explained WFs

[rigid compass]

Interdimensional magician forgets to carry the one and is split across a solar system

Glassmaker gets recruited by talking building to blow up some guy just tryna have kids

[humble sierra]

Skater girl makes fun of rich guy who wanted her and proceeds to make fun of him even further, even though she never ever takes a W after that she never loses her whimsy

[rigid compass]

Fairy woman trying to stop trees getting cut down gets killed by rotting workers of a logging operation

[stiff fable]

Glam rockstar has a really bad roadshow, wakes up thousands of years later to do it again

[dark compass]

Cop reads a smearing on the walls of a prison cell and develops a fursona for both him and the prisoner

[strange plinth]

woman with unknown past found in a bush
-# more at 24

[rigid compass]

I aint even read voruna lore ts is frying me vro

[dark compass]

This is Lavos

[stiff fable]

Really it's more of a scalie thing

[dark compass]

Do you want me to say

Scaliesona

[stiff fable]

no you're right

[dark compass]

People will look at me weird for being overly specific

[rigid compass]

Whats the fursona about then 😭

[dark compass]

The snakes are supposed to represent him and his teacher

[strange plinth]

turned that guy into a snake
idr his name

[dark compass]

Jhavi

[strange plinth]

javi yea

[dark compass]

Oh wait it's Javi

I played dark souls too much I keep adding H to names

Mf was named Gehrman

[stiff fable]

his teacher AND his asshole boss actually

The head jailer

[dark compass]

His asshole boss is himself

He really had some issues to work through

[rigid compass]

Man buries brothers underground for months and wakes them up to ask people to stop breathing his air

[strange plinth]

ate a guy after hunting him down during The Collapse, not heard from again
50/50 i'm not telling you which one

[dark compass]

Okay this one will probably get me muted

[rigid compass]

Tried eating dude with a serious infection to fix his health problems and make his bosses happy

[stiff fable]

Grendel, no?

wait we heard the burp, can't be him

[strange plinth]

nuclearbox mentioned the other one so
yeah its grendel/voruna
-# i enjoy pointing out their similarities
i consider the burp part of eating karishh, so he still counts

[dark compass]

Nice save

[strange plinth]

that's the confirmation that he was eaten, otherwise he'd just have rolled off with the intention of eating karishh

[stiff fable]

I think my favorite bit of Grendel lore is that he's not just a Warframe-scale Guzzlord

He shares the energy from his food with people

[strange plinth]

mhm

[dark compass]

He feeds everyone

The only condition is that he gets to taste everything

[ashen pulsar]

"little bite of this, nibble of that" as he takes grendel-sized bites

[drowsy saddle]

any good chef taste tests the food before serving

[fast dew]

True, but a great chef makes sure not to contaminate the food when doing so

[radiant pier]

a great chef also knows to not serve something with a gigantic bite mark out of it

[old wharf]

Feed me

pls

[dark compass]

I'm

I do not have food on me

Sorry Toofers

[tall echo]

I am the grendel
I will not feed thhe toofers

[radiant pier]

https://x.com/i/status/2046744735008629216

moss ✧˖°. ☾ (@m0sscrypt)

my fellow höllvanians

X · Apr 22, 2026, 12:15 AM

[tall echo]

wha

[fast dew]

Arakk obana

Barack Obama

[tall echo]

I know I'm not stupid

usually

[fast dew]

Wouldn't be too sure on that one sometimes

[tall echo]

I will steal your knees

[drowsy saddle]

Please god tell me its a karrak

[tall echo]

heat progenitor, nito

every heat prog lich has a good taste in music
one of their abilities is Ring of Fire

[dark compass]

Can I have one

[tall echo]

maybe

[dark compass]

It would be really cool to have 3 knees

[fast dew]

Do it you won't

You're scared

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tom-holland-yoink-gif-11346283

the only thing I'm scared of is spheres

[fast dew]

What are you gonna do when i throw generic dangerous Australian bug at you

[tall echo]

wait

D:

[fast dew]

Or I'll just add totally normal mushrooms to a beef Wellington

[pale cedar]

What happens if you shoot a Cephalon

Do Cephalons feel pain?

[dark compass]

Where

[pale cedar]

Anywhere

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-world-globe-mapping-details-gif-3270140137824791678

[tall echo]

the much more questionable sequel to do robots dream of electric sheep

[pale cedar]

This is how you get scrap believing the Earth is flat to not deal with the fear

[heady quest]

Would there be flat earthers in warframe?

[pale cedar]

Probably

[heady quest]

I feel like if there was a regression of the orokin technology, much less contacted people similar to the Cetus people would have no idea that space travel stille exists

[pale cedar]

Not everyone gets to visit space and check

[heady quest]

True

“The Corpus are making propaganda again”

[strange turtle]

I think there probably wouldn’t be unless a new mythology arose and they lost enough scientific knowledge, since there’d no longer be the foundational conspiracy of the belief

[heady quest]

Yeah that is true, but it is also very easy for religion to occur. I feel like there are many terraformed moons that just have colonies of the Orokin that would just be forgotten about for centuries and stayed this tribalesc culture. They would then just belief the world is just the plains of their home

Or even asteroids

[dark compass]

People aren't so dumb

[heady quest]

Heuuuuuu….. 😅

You can be surprised….

[pale cedar]

Maybe we just flattened the flat earthers

[heady quest]

I’d see the orokin do that 😔

[dark compass]

They're outliers

There's this weird belief that we have been considerably dumber ages ago, even though we were basically the same people

And knowledge of the world not being flat has been prevalent for much longer than most people think

It's a system, not a galaxy spanning empire where loss of connection is capable of reverting the entire society

[heady quest]

No that’s true. I don’t think we became dumber. But I also think that knowledge has become a privilege. This combined with the world generally becoming much more expensive makes it so the total number of people that aren’t educated becomes larger and thus the biggest mass of the population becomes less educated.

[tall echo]

no, see, there's a reason why I don't go outside

[dark compass]

So the idea is that it goes to an extreme with orokin?

Too bad we don't really know how the common folk lived

[heady quest]

And you’d be surprised how easy it is for someone to create a following. That applied to the orokin made it so their colonies couldn’t really defend themselves from them. This makes me think if those colonies were separated that they’d would revert to more tribal norms and believe the world would be flat

[tall echo]

not well!

[strange turtle]

I mean, it gets presented as pretty standard

[heady quest]

Yeah but we can kinda see how the mars colony worked, the Nezha colony, and the colony from the Grendel story

[strange turtle]

Since anyone, from poor rural kids to upper class urban ones, got dumped into the courses they had on the Zariman

[heady quest]

They all had the same theme of them having a religion that considered the orokin to be gods or lords

[fast dew]

Xatanvke tbh

[zenith ore]

Is wally trying to take over albrecht lab or deimos whole? Could it be the heart of deimos that he's after?